This guy has $40 billion on the brain, or setup, AEG may be paying this guy. :icon_question: :ghsdf:
OR perhaps the only way to right the wrongs, to clear Michael's name, is to face this chi-mo sh*t head on. Have it make headlines again with a new "accusation" before the truth can FINALLY be known.
This here is what I'm am not understanding, why do you wait for over 20 years to come forth about a serious matter as molestation as a child. Molestation is something that should be dealt with right away. The question should be posed to this person" Why did you wait so long to come forth with this issue?" Now, as some one stated before 40 billion is a lot of money. It is pretty interesting when it comes to the trial for AEG this person shows up out of the blue. Is AEG afraid that they are going to lose the case.
I do not understand this matter. A thought just popped into my head. Here is the scenario" Michael does the concert, this is the last leg of the concert, WHAM!, you have this person coming out of the blue stating that Michael abused him and he is suing Michael.
I would love to know what you all think about this.
Guys, I am getting a very funny feeling about this. I know that I read on a thread that was so long ago, when this forum just start about someone stating that a situation is going to come up with someone from Michael past. I think I need to do a little research.
PIERCE AERO ONE
I worked for two years as an investigator with Child Protective Services. I dealt with hundreds of cases, legitimate and false. I have always had some doubts about the Michael Jackson case. Not sure, just had doubts. I'm leaning toward doubt with these claims, as well. I just don't buy it. It rings false somehow. I'm not the investigator on this case, but I didn't much trust those that handled Michael's case either. They seemed to want to Pose for the good and true, rather than actually seek it.
OR perhaps the only way to right the wrongs, to clear Michael's name, is to face this chi-mo sh*t head on. Have it make headlines again with a new "accusation" before the truth can FINALLY be known.
I don't know what's going on but whatever is happening, these accusations simply aren't true and that's what I do know.
26. SHOOZIE
Unless they changed the statute, someone can claim child abuse for 10 years after their 18th birthday. After that, too bad.
CommentQuote26. SHOOZIE
Unless they changed the statute, someone can claim child abuse for 10 years after their 18th birthday. After that, too bad.
Here Chantal Robson, his sister, defends Michael and says nothing happened.
http://site2.mjeol.com/mjeol-bullet/trial-review-chantal-robson-shatters-pros-proclamations-mb297.html
This page about Joy Robson, his mother, agreeing. Also a section on Jason Francia and mother Blanca’s story ripped to pieces by Tom Mesereau.
http://site2.mjeol.com/mjeol-bullet/trial-review-joy-robson-adds-detail-to-neverland-visits-mb296.html
Here is Wade Robson’s testimony:
http://site2.mjeol.com/mjeol-bullet/trial-review-robson-testimony-begins-to-crush-1108-accusations-mb295.html
The fact that TMZ is printing this makes me wonder if Harvey faked his love for MJ. I'm hoping it's part of MJ's plan.
I don't believe Wade is in need of money. He's very successful. Hoping this is a set up. :ghsdf: Like a chess game moving your pieces in to play. Anyhow....this link shows that Wade was employed by AEG when he worked with Britney
http://www.aeglive.com/news/view/10155 (http://www.aeglive.com/news/view/10155)
It's enough to make my brain explode....Circus tour.........2009.......Spears joined Madonna on stage midway into Human Nature.... :suspect:
I don't believe Wade is in need of money. He's very successful. Hoping this is a set up. :ghsdf: Like a chess game moving your pieces in to play. Anyhow....this link shows that Wade was employed by AEG when he worked with Britney
http://www.aeglive.com/news/view/10155 (http://www.aeglive.com/news/view/10155)
It's enough to make my brain explode....Circus tour.........2009.......Spears joined Madonna on stage midway into Human Nature.... :suspect:
yeah looks like a setup by MJ or ...AEG in on the hoax as someone mentioned before. It could be to show how easy it is to pay someone off to lie. Bringing the past to light so to speak.
CNN is reporting it http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/07/showbiz/michael-jackson-sex-claim/index.html?sr=sharebar_twitter
"Mesereau said it was "suspicious timing" for the claim to be filed at the start of the trial of the Michael Jackson wrongful death case, in which Jackson's mother and children are suing concert promoter AEG Live."
no kidding :suspect: :icon_albino:
Two birds with one stone? :suspect:
Quote from: Andrea on May 07, 2013, 08:08:07 PM (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,23832.msg440738.html#msg440738)+1
OR perhaps the only way to right the wrongs, to clear Michael's name, is to face this chi-mo sh*t head on.
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these accusations simply aren't true and that's what I do know.
I agree, Andrea. I think this is another of Michael's set ups. It's TMZ after all who broke the story.
For whom is this bait laid?
Never ceases to amaze me how relentlessly tabloid ASSociatES scour their shoebox environment for a few measly morsels to quell their insatiable de$ire. Aww---such a shame all 25 of their brain cells are expending precious time & energy on something that will forever be out of their reach…..MJ is ALWAYS 1 step ahead. Haven't ya learned that yet?!
Follow the trail of crumbs…..fall right into MJ's trap.
Happy hunting!
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:Pulling_hair: geez I just got back to this site after months and the lame stream media is already spewing BS. Something in the milk ain't clean... The fact that Wade works for AEG speaks volumes.
I find it particularly interesting that these docs are 'under seal' yet TMZ has this 'bombshell info' anyway. It really just tells me that someone who wore a fedora, did the moonwalk and shamoned his way into people's living rooms, is leaving a trail of Hansel and Gretel crumbs leading right to him...HE HE!!!
I find it particularly interesting that these docs are 'under seal' yet TMZ has this 'bombshell info' anyway. It really just tells me that someone who wore a fedora, did the moonwalk and shamoned his way into people's living rooms, is leaving a trail of Hansel and Gretel crumbs leading right to him...HE HE!!!
agree with you darling. a million times over!
I find it particularly interesting that these docs are 'under seal' yet TMZ has this 'bombshell info' anyway. It really just tells me that someone who wore a fedora, did the moonwalk and shamoned his way into people's living rooms, is leaving a trail of Hansel and Gretel crumbs leading right to him...HE HE!!!
I find it particularly interesting that these docs are 'under seal' yet TMZ has this 'bombshell info' anyway. It really just tells me that someone who wore a fedora, did the moonwalk and shamoned his way into people's living rooms, is leaving a trail of Hansel and Gretel crumbs leading right to him...HE HE!!!
we have speculated before that MJ probably owns TMZ
Robson could face a tough time in a lawsuit. Aside from saying Jacko was not a pervert in 2005, he released a statement about his life hours after his passing.
Robson said: "Michael Jackson changed the world and, more personally, my life forever. He is the reason I dance, the reason I make music, and one of the main reasons I believe in the pure goodness of human kind," he said at the time."
Souza said.....
'This is BS and will likely kill any bamsday if this goes to trial.'
Could that be the purpose then? Somebody applying pressure to make sure MJ stays dead? Interesting thought...I never contemplated that scenario.
Souza said.....
'This is BS and will likely kill any bamsday if this goes to trial.'
Could that be the purpose then? Somebody applying pressure to make sure MJ stays dead? Interesting thought...I never contemplated that scenario.
This is what Pearl said yesterday:
"Will this latest accusation halt MJ from Coming back 2 the world? This is what scares me about what Wade has accused, will it ever end?"
I do think that this is a Michael's set up too, this way Michael is showing the world how easy is to blame on someone's wrong behaviour when this wrong behaviour hasn't even happened.
Anyway I sometimes don't know when the hoax finishes and true begins and viceversa.
I don't understand why these new allegations would halt a Bam. Ideal opportunity to call BS I'd say, except that I don't think a Bam is imminent and I don't think MJ will alter his plans over rubbish like this. Anyway, how far down the 'justice' process can this actually go, without the alleged abuser even being around to defend himself?
Multiple sources tell us ... Robson had anxiety that was building during most of 2011 ... and it exploded in March, 2012. He had a debilitating nervous breakdown that pushed him into complete seclusion and torpedoed his career.
QuoteMultiple sources tell us ... Robson had anxiety that was building during most of 2011 ... and it exploded in March, 2012. He had a debilitating nervous breakdown that pushed him into complete seclusion and torpedoed his career.
This is a shit
I don't understand why these new allegations would halt a Bam. Ideal opportunity to call BS I'd say, except that I don't think a Bam is imminent and I don't think MJ will alter his plans over rubbish like this. Anyway, how far down the 'justice' process can this actually go, without the alleged abuser even being around to defend himself?
Exactly, I read yesterday that a dead person can't be charged because can't defend himself furthermore after denying MJ molested under oath 8 yrs ago, makes go hmmmmmmm big time!!
Heard about this yesterday... made me so angry. All I can say is F*CK this guy ! Michael, you know we will all be here for you and fight for you.
SO funny this all comes out at the beginning of the AEG trial, and as soon as Wade Robson becomes irrelevant and low on $$$ :icon_rolleyes: and no, I do not think Michael did this. I appreciate your ideas, but those molestation trials are not a joke to him or a game. Michael Whatever Happens, we won't let go of your hand, :bearhug:
For me Wade Robson is just an actor playing the bad guy. And he's appointed by MJ. It can be felt that MJ accusing himself of molestation through Wade doesn't add up and would degrade MJ's reputation further; but going by that theory, even the very death hoax can be harmful because there can be people who'd say 'he cheated his fans' and all that.
http://amradaronline.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/wade-robson-full-doc.pdf
The link does profide the official superiour Court file.
also noticed there is an "Exibit B" in the document!
Wade and his Sister gave theyre testimony under Oath back in 2005 while she was about 25 years old and wade was about 22 years old at that time , I have read the whole testimony, where she and Wade totally denied that MJ ever approched or touched them in a sexual way.
Does the old testimony fall under perjury now!?, because they now claim he did molest Wade!
http://amradaronline.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/wade-robson-full-doc.pdf
The link does profide the official superiour Court file.
also noticed there is an "Exibit B" in the document!
....... and an 'Estate of Michael Joseph Jackson!
Wade and his Sister gave theyre testimony under Oath back in 2005 while she was about 25 years old and wade was about 22 years old at that time , I have read the whole testimony, where she and Wade totally denied that MJ ever approched or touched them in a sexual way.
Does the old testimony fall under perjury now!?, because they now claim he did molest Wade!
I´d say no, since he claims "suppressed memory".
http://amradaronline.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/wade-robson-full-doc.pdf
The link does profide the official superiour Court file.
also noticed there is an "Exibit B" in the document!
....... and an 'Estate of Michael Joseph Jackson!
And the hearing date 6 - 6 -13 written on the top of the first page in a very michaelish handwritting (JMO...maybe i'm pushing it a bit too far ...). But anyway -> 6+6+13=25=7
Woohoo - is that a little clue of who's standing behind all this BS? :icon_cool:
I don't understand why these new allegations would halt a Bam. Ideal opportunity to call BS I'd say, except that I don't think a Bam is imminent and I don't think MJ will alter his plans over rubbish like this. Anyway, how far down the 'justice' process can this actually go, without the alleged abuser even being around to defend himself?
Exactly, I read yesterday that a dead person can't be charged because can't defend himself furthermore after denying MJ molested under oath 8 yrs ago, makes go hmmmmmmm big time!!
I've just been reading a bit more about this, sweet. You can claim compensation from the alleged dead molester's Estate, which is what WR is doing. They're not going to just hand over the money though, there has to be evidence that the molestation actually occured.
(Not relevant to this case, very different details, but to show what is allowed legally, here's an article on the Jimmy Savile case here in the UK: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/apr/13/jimmy-savile-estate-natwest-milking)
I dont know if this has already been noted, cause I only skimmed through some of the post. But why would Wade Robson feel the need to honor the man who "molested" him by perfoming in Janet's VMA tribute? :WTF:
He claims MJ molested over 15 years ago (atleast that is number that has being thrown around), honors him at the VMAs a few months after his "death", then 4 years laters files this suit, in the midst of the AEG trial. Very interesing time table for Wade.
Any way you look at it, this is nail-biting, edge-of-your-seat thriller entertainment. MJ: "They want escapism!"
The timing of these allegations is so perfect that it's making me want to believe MJ set it up. I don't feel this would stop MJ's comeback. Even if it's not his setup, he'd be well prepared to tackle it.
Any way you look at it, this is nail-biting, edge-of-your-seat thriller entertainment. MJ: "They want escapism!"
Something is definitely brewing... hopefully it will be in our favor.
:bearhug:
I find it particularly interesting that these docs are 'under seal' yet TMZ has this 'bombshell info' anyway. It really just tells me that someone who wore a fedora, did the moonwalk and shamoned his way into people's living rooms, is leaving a trail of Hansel and Gretel crumbs leading right to him...HE HE!!!
Under seal, yes. But the defence knows (MJ camp) and we have speculated before that MJ probably owns TMZ, so the fact that TMZ is the first with the news every time, doesn't mean the news is fake.
Let's see how this plays out. If Wade really filed that shit, I can't imagine this circus wil start rolling again. The evidence was clear last time, him filing this 20 years after this shit allegedly happened is big BS. He wants money, not justice. Because you can't seek justice when the alleged molester is dead.
This is BS and will likely kill any bamsday if this goes to trial.
Sometimes the only way to heal is to go through the pain of opening up the wound and letting all the pus out.
do you get what I mean?
Sometimes the only way to heal is to go through the pain of opening up the wound and letting all the pus out. Sorry to be so yuckily graphic! But do you get what I mean?
The timing of these allegations is so perfect that it's making me want to believe MJ set it up. I don't feel this would stop MJ's comeback. Even if it's not his setup, he'd be well prepared to tackle it.
I'm pretty sure of that! All part of MJ's plan.
When I first read about these allegations my blood was boiling...and still is (not healthy, I know), especially when I read about Robson's convenient timing caused by "repressed memories", ha!
Anyway, I have faith in MJ and his plan/set up. Truth and justice will prevail.
WTF.This guy has $40 billion on the brain, or setup, AEG may be paying this guy. :icon_question: :ghsdf:
Yes, could be that AEG chose now, during the trial, for this to come out and is paying Robson to lie, to make Michael look like a monster to nullify any sympathy the public and jurors may feel.
OR perhaps the only way to right the wrongs, to clear Michael's name, is to face this chi-mo sh*t head on. Have it make headlines again with a new "accusation" before the truth can FINALLY be known.
I don't know what's going on but whatever is happening, these accusations simply aren't true and that's what I do know.
WTF.This guy has $40 billion on the brain, or setup, AEG may be paying this guy. :icon_question: :ghsdf:
Yes, could be that AEG chose now, during the trial, for this to come out and is paying Robson to lie, to make Michael look like a monster to nullify any sympathy the public and jurors may feel.
OR perhaps the only way to right the wrongs, to clear Michael's name, is to face this chi-mo sh*t head on. Have it make headlines again with a new "accusation" before the truth can FINALLY be known.
I don't know what's going on but whatever is happening, these accusations simply aren't true and that's what I do know.
I think its a way to get the MASSES to see that even NOW that Mike is supposed to be "dead" people are after his money.
I don't know.....people might think: so the accusations WERE true after all....these kids (and their parents) were paid by Jackson back then to keep their mouth shut.....and now they run out of money.....time to tell the truth and cash in.....again....
It will be hard for Wade to proof what he claims. Let's all hope Brett Barnes or Macaulay Culkin don't pop-up with the same shit....
And I don't think for a second that Michael is behind this. Even if he came back to defend himself, the overall assumption will be: where's smoke, there's fire......people heard this story one too many times I guess, to again believe it's only about money....That's what I'm scared of.
Sometimes the only way to heal is to go through the pain of opening up the wound and letting all the pus out. Sorry to be so yuckily graphic! But do you get what I mean?
The timing of these allegations is so perfect that it's making me want to believe MJ set it up. I don't feel this would stop MJ's comeback. Even if it's not his setup, he'd be well prepared to tackle it.
I'm pretty sure of that! All part of MJ's plan.
When I first read about these allegations my blood was boiling...and still is (not healthy, I know), especially when I read about Robson's convenient timing caused by "repressed memories", ha!
Anyway, I have faith in MJ and his plan/set up. Truth and justice will prevail.
I totally agree ! :icon_bounce: !
6. As someone pointed out, every 10 years a new allegation: 1993, 2003 and 2013There's seems to be something very purposeful about this, 3,3,3.
AdiQuote6. As someone pointed out, every 10 years a new allegation: 1993, 2003 and 2013There's seems to be something very purposeful about this, 3,3,3.
I noticed in the article above that Robson is 30 and, "The claims come 10 days after top Hollywood choreographer Wade Robson..."
Plus plenty of 7's.
Seems Tom Mesereau is going to be in big demand again, like twitter Front predicted.
And where's Susan Yu; it would be nice to hear from her too? http://reflectionsonthedance.blogspot.ca/2011/07/susan-yuthe-unsung-hero-of-2005-michael.html
....back into the picture...very soon & very BIG
AdiQuote6. As someone pointed out, every 10 years a new allegation: 1993, 2003 and 2013There's seems to be something very purposeful about this, 3,3,3.
I noticed in the article above that Robson is 30 and, "The claims come 10 days after top Hollywood choreographer Wade Robson..."
Plus plenty of 7's.
Seems Tom Mesereau is going to be in big demand again, like twitter Front predicted.
And where's Susan Yu; it would be nice to hear from her too? http://reflectionsonthedance.blogspot.ca/2011/07/susan-yuthe-unsung-hero-of-2005-michael.html
Just thinking out loud, guys... What IF those new allegations and the whole BS that's currently going on comes from an evil agenda (Illuminati etc) to prevent Michael from realizing his plan (the sting, bam etc)... What if the 333 numerology (that is obviously not a coincidence) comes from the "evil side" and not from Michael himself - maybe it was their plan to bring MJ down again in 2013 - and maybe that was what MJ meant by saying "We have four years to get it right"? IDK but I just have the feeling that something strange is going on that can jeopardize the hoax...and i'm afraid that if we go on considering that MJ is behind every single aspect of this hoax, it won't take us anywhere (even though i am always the person thinking that whatever happens, it is all a part of a plan :) ). Because if we think about it - why on Earth would Wade accuse MJ of molesting him, now? In 2013? He has the money, he's famous so he doesn't need attention - idk but it just seems to me as if someone was controling him and pushing him to make this claim...
Just thinking out loud, guys... What IF those new allegations and the whole BS that's currently going on comes from an evil agenda (Illuminati etc) to prevent Michael from realizing his plan (the sting, bam etc)... What if the 333 numerology (that is obviously not a coincidence) comes from the "evil side" and not from Michael himself - maybe it was their plan to bring MJ down again in 2013 - and maybe that was what MJ meant by saying "We have four years to get it right"? IDK but I just have the feeling that something strange is going on that can jeopardize the hoax...and i'm afraid that if we go on considering that MJ is behind every single aspect of this hoax, it won't take us anywhere (even though i am always the person thinking that whatever happens, it is all a part of a plan :) ). Because if we think about it - why on Earth would Wade accuse MJ of molesting him, now? In 2013? He has the money, he's famous so he doesn't need attention - idk but it just seems to me as if someone was controling him and pushing him to make this claim...
The allegations could very well be coming from an evil agenda, trying to suppress Michael's plans (which they know will damage them).
What I don't understand though is, like you said susie, why would Wade do this? How could someone who has known and loved Michael for almost their entire life and owes their success to him, betray him in the worst way? Money? I call BS on that one, it's not sitting right with me even though I know money is a huge motivation for a lot of the world's evils. Then again, it's good to not underestimate people in thinking they wouldn't do what I wouldn't do.
I still think it could be that Michael could be behind this, as bad as it could hurt him, because people need to know the truth and stop thinking that he was a monster and sometimes the only way to get to the truth is through ridiculous lies. If this is the case then Wade's part in this is total loyalty to Michael, as messed up as that may sound - because he agreed to put his name out there. I don't believe these "repressed memories" claims and like others have mentioned, it's a huge parallel with the other cases and with "psychologists" involved. I just think Michael stays at least one step ahead, like Front said. I don't know, I sometimes wonder if this hoax has jaded me into thinking that Michael is behind everything that happens with this hoax, good or bad.
There's seems to be something very purposeful about this, 3,3,3.
I noticed in the article above that Robson is 30 and, "The claims come 10 days after top Hollywood choreographer Wade Robson..."
Plus plenty of 7's.
Seems Tom Mesereau is going to be in big demand again, like twitter Front predicted.
And where's Susan Yu; it would be nice to hear from her too? http://reflectionsonthedance.blogspot.ca/2011/07/susan-yuthe-unsung-hero-of-2005-michael.html (http://reflectionsonthedance.blogspot.ca/2011/07/susan-yuthe-unsung-hero-of-2005-michael.html)
4-8. Numbers 4 Evil & Numbers 4 Good
Just like words, numbers can be used for good or evil. The number 7 is a special number in the Bible, and it often represents completion or perfection (good). Nevertheless, there are times when this number refers to evil—such as the evil beast with “seven heads and ten horns” (Revelation 17:3; etc).
On the other hand, the number 6—and especially 666—is often associated with evil (see Revelation 13:18). Yet even the number 666 is used in the Bible as merely a quantity of children, and not an evil mystical number (see Ezra 2:13).
Therefore, in order to determine whether a number is used for evil or good, we must consider the context and purpose of its usage; basically the same thing that we do to determine whether words are used for evil or good.
Therefore, in order to determine whether a number is used for evil or good, we must consider the context and purpose of its usage; basically the same thing that we do to determine whether words are used for evil or good.
Going back to the 333 thing again. I just want to add that FBI released 333 pages on MJ.
I know there's a lot of confusion again about who's really behind everything--Michael or TPTB (Illuminati-types).
Back/Front/TS/SOTT would say it's Michael and God, who's the genius behind all the 20+ years of interweaving numerology and staged events in the style of The greatest show on earth, like P.T. Barnum.
But Bonnie Cox presents another perspective on things (I just keeping reading to have another perspective though I don't agree with everything she says.) She says that TPTB/Illuminati have controlled Michael since almost day one in the 70's, through drugs/mind control, and have planned that an MJ double they've created be the return of the false Messiah as in Anti-Christ, but that the real MJ we haven't seen in a long time is the real Messiah. She says the whole 93 and 2003 child molestation accusations and trial were a show set up to portray MJ as the suffering Messiah type (a crucifixion) where it creates extreme hatred/enemies and worshipping cult fans, and together with other world events is all part of the fulfillment of Revelations including the New World Order. She says Mesereau is acting as part of that whole drama, as he was acting in 2005. Scroll a quarter way down to "Trials and Investigations Everywhere" to start, where she talks about Wade Robson, Mesereau and more. http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.ca/2013/05/are-you-awake-now-michael-jackson.html
I'm still not sure (at all) where I stand. I still believe that the MJ we saw up till the last rehearsals was the real MJ, and that I love him, and that he is a beautiful person and creative genius. I do think the planning of the major hoax for 20+ years has had the involvement of higher powerful/wealthy people, as well as God/Creator even if who we think of as God is UFO 'alien' types of a superior race, who have involved themselves in guiding mankind for thousands of years ever since the 'creation' or DNA manipulation of Adam and Eve and appearing to the Israelites as God in their UFO-type crafts. 'Jesus' may have been part of their secret mystical dealings with mankind in 'guiding' history. Religion keeps the masses controlled. I don't think we can fight this, but just enjoy the ride, be swept along with the current. If we attach ourselves to a particular side, well two sides have likely been planned all along anyway, and so we're still going along nicely with their plan. Personally I think the best thing to do is keep trying to be informed in all the perspectives, and keep current with events. The rest of the world is blissfully unaware of these key events happening, that will likely engulf the entire world in their wake. The rest of the world is happily lapping up political news, sports, entertainment, and pursuing the dream of becoming rich and happy, and will 'wake up' as needed.
As MJ sang, "Don't try to fight it; there ain't nothing that you can do." All history is mostly lies, and has been guided, much like today's 'reality' shows. I'm still loving it!
WADE ROBSON
Skipping Town After Filing
MJ Molestation Claim
EXCLUSIVE
Wade Robson's wasting no time hightailing it out of L.A. after alleging Michael Jackson molested him -- he just unloaded his Santa Monica condo -- and is leaving Cali for good.
Wade listed the condo March 21 for $789,000 and closed escrow May 8. And get this -- he scored more than the asking price -- $825,000.
It's not an outlandish leap to think the timing isn't coincidental. We broke the story this week ... Wade filed a creditor's claim against MJ's estate May 1 ... claiming the King of Pop molested him over a 7-year period when he was a kid.
Sources tell us, Wade, his wife and son plan to lay down roots in the Aloha state ... where his wife grew up.
Check out the condo and all it's amenities. Repressed memories not included.
Thank you RememberHisTime. I read that too and I think he become wet feeds.....sorry, but this was all planned....that can not be a coincidence....
MJFansForum @MJFansForum 9h
Wade Robson talks about Michael Jackson. Listen! (sub ita) http://michaeljacksonfansforum.forumfree.it/?t=65905006#lastpost …
another beLIEver... @weeping_dolphin 10hMoney is all it takes, for some.
The High Price Of Child Molestation http://rhythmofthetide.com/the-high-price-of-child-molestation/ …
The High Price Of Child Molestation
by Lacienega on SEPTEMBER 28, 2011 in HIGH PRICE OF MOLESTATION, THE ALLEGATIONS
The price the media pays for you to be molested by Michael Jackson:
⇓⇓ Robert and Ronald Newt - Offered $200,000
⇓⇓ Alfonso Ribeiro - Offered $100,000
⇓⇓ Wade Robson - Offered Six Figures
⇓⇓ Michael's Cousin, Tim Whitehead - Offered $100k To Say Michael Was Gay
⇓⇓ Daniel Kapon - Paid $500k By The News Of The World
Good riddance Wade!QuoteWADE ROBSON
Skipping Town After Filing
MJ Molestation Claim
EXCLUSIVE
Wade Robson's wasting no time hightailing it out of L.A. after alleging Michael Jackson molested him -- he just unloaded his Santa Monica condo -- and is leaving Cali for good.
Wade listed the condo March 21 for $789,000 and closed escrow May 8. And get this -- he scored more than the asking price -- $825,000.
It's not an outlandish leap to think the timing isn't coincidental. We broke the story this week ... Wade filed a creditor's claim against MJ's estate May 1 ... claiming the King of Pop molested him over a 7-year period when he was a kid.
Sources tell us, Wade, his wife and son plan to lay down roots in the Aloha state ... where his wife grew up.
Check out the condo and all it's amenities. Repressed memories not included.
http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/13/wade-robson-michael-jackson-sells-la-condo/#ixzz2TA47v5Mc
Clearly TMZ thinks Wade's claims are BS too.
i tried a lot to read that "Today's thought"Good riddance Wade!QuoteWADE ROBSON
Skipping Town After Filing
MJ Molestation Claim
EXCLUSIVE
Wade Robson's wasting no time hightailing it out of L.A. after alleging Michael Jackson molested him -- he just unloaded his Santa Monica condo -- and is leaving Cali for good.
Wade listed the condo March 21 for $789,000 and closed escrow May 8. And get this -- he scored more than the asking price -- $825,000.
It's not an outlandish leap to think the timing isn't coincidental. We broke the story this week ... Wade filed a creditor's claim against MJ's estate May 1 ... claiming the King of Pop molested him over a 7-year period when he was a kid.
Sources tell us, Wade, his wife and son plan to lay down roots in the Aloha state ... where his wife grew up.
Check out the condo and all it's amenities. Repressed memories not included.
http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/13/wade-robson-michael-jackson-sells-la-condo/#ixzz2TA47v5Mc
Clearly TMZ thinks Wade's claims are BS too.
Interesting...I don't know if anyone else checked out the pictures of his condo - but I did. What caught my eye is in the 6th and 8th photo there are some decorative letters on a sideboard AWK
Now I know this would more than likely be the initials for his wife, himself and his son (Amanda, Wade, Koa) but it also made me think of Arnold William Klein (AWK) and all the craziness coming from him and about him....
Yes, it surely means that 'they' are constantly 'fishing' for whomever they can catch, and they caught Wade with the right price. Perhaps he was down financially and is an emotionally weak person. Even the accusation of the AEG trial is that CM was willing to push MJ to death because he needed the money. http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/michaeljackson/money.html
Why has TMZ had so many stories on this whole Robson sideshow and nothing on the AEG trial? It's very weird and deliberate, intentional. I don't think there would be any doubt to say that if TMZ was covering the trial, there would be a whole lot more attention on it. We have tweets to read (some of which are conveniently hoaxy) and then later web articles that basically put the tweets together. So, why is the trial so semi-secretive?
TMZ always focuses on the negative. At the beginning when it was "breaking news", Harvey mentioned the allegations were from a "very famous person". Yeah right...so famous most folks never heard of him. ::)
Yes, it surely means that 'they' are constantly 'fishing' for whomever they can catch, and they caught Wade with the right price. Perhaps he was down financially and is an emotionally weak person. Even the accusation of the AEG trial is that CM was willing to push MJ to death because he needed the money. http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/michaeljackson/money.html
AEG will say or do anything to avoid they get the blame and have to pay money, there are MJ Fans who even support AEG by profiding evidence against Katherine and her trial....sorry for bringing this up again, but it is still bothering me..
Why has TMZ had so many stories on this whole Robson sideshow and nothing on the AEG trial? It's very weird and deliberate, intentional. I don't think there would be any doubt to say that if TMZ was covering the trial, there would be a whole lot more attention on it. We have tweets to read (some of which are conveniently hoaxy) and then later web articles that basically put the tweets together. So, why is the trial so semi-secretive?
TMZ always focuses on the negative.
We must not forget that TMZ survives of human miseries, TMZ in honor of truth is a lot of shit
Robson's now saying he 'doesn't need the MJ estate to prove that molestation occurred' (which begs the question, WHY is he suing the estate then, rather than following normal procedures)
http://m.tmz.com/#Article/2013/05/15/wade-robson-sue-michael-jackson-estate-to-prove-molestation
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Tom Mezzzzzesereau @TomMezzzz 8 may
"Mr. Robson's claim is outrageous and pathetic," Jackson estate attorney Howard Weitzman wrote in a statement.
Robson's now saying he 'doesn't need the MJ estate to prove that molestation occurred' (which begs the question, WHY is he suing the estate then, rather than following normal procedures)
http://m.tmz.com/#Article/2013/05/15/wade-robson-sue-michael-jackson-estate-to-prove-molestation
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Notice the hearing date... June 13, the day MJ was acquitted. :ghsdf:
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Wade Robson WILL have his day in court in his attempt to prove he was molested by Michael Jackson ... even if he's shut down by the Michael Jackson Estate.
TMZ has learned ... Robson has filed a civil lawsuit in L.A. County Superior Court ... and it has nothing to do with his creditor's claim against the Estate. We broke the story ... Robson belatedly filed his creditor's claim, alleging MJ molested him between the ages of 7 and 14.
Robson may get shut down by the probate judge because he waited too long to file his claim. But the civil lawsuit we found will NOT go away that easily.
The allegations in the civil lawsuit are sealed, but TMZ has obtained the face page of the complaint, which shows Robson is suing DOE 1, an individual, DOE 2, a California corporation, and DOE 3, a California corporation. As for who these anonymous DOES are ... TMZ has done some digging, and it's clear. Robson is targeting MJJ Productions -- Michael's record label (owned by Sony) which hired Wade when he was 11 -- and MJJ Ventures ... which produced Michael's music videos.
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The two corporations may have been involved in bringing Wade to the U.S. from his home in Australia, and it's clear Wade will argue they had some responsibility for protecting him -- kind of like the relationship between priests who molest and the Catholic Church.
As for the individual DOES (Wade names 50 DOES) ... it's very clear from our research that Robson is targeting the two executors of the MJ Estate -- John Branca and John McClain.
Short story -- even if Wade loses in probate court, he can probably have his day in civil court and put Michael Jackson and allegations of molestation before a jury.
http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/15/wade-robson-sue-michael-jackson-estate-to-prove-molestation/
Here you go Sweetsunset :icon_e_wink:
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Sometimes the only way to heal is to go through the pain of opening up the wound and letting all the pus out.
p.s. to those who trust Front's reassuring words that MJ is and will be just fine, more peace of mind to you. To those who don't, that doesn't change the fact that MJ is and will STILL be fine. You'll see! in due tiME…..'cause in the end, the only clock that'll be ticking and tocking is the tIME-capsule-bomb that's gonna blow up in their faces!!!
2 birds, 1 stone…..
or--- more accurately--- a whole mag-FUnKIN' flock of 'em
Front is seeing the many sides, many eyes…tossing and turning at the "I_tersection of lights". Unlike most, it is indeed black and white. Tumbling, bouncing, traveling "back" through tiME…every facet holds reason and rhyme.
we're takin' over.......
In times of silence, try not to get discouraged. It only means there is something BIG in the works…..and the "feather" will DEFINITELY be heard when it flutters to the "stage".
2 birds:
JU(STICE)ngle myna
+
acrocephalus rufESC(AP)Ens
= 1 stone
p.s. for now, enjoy the Bliss…………….
Here you go Sweetsunset :icon_e_wink:
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Thanks honey, I guess this should be good news talking from a hoaxy POV of course.
Here you go Sweetsunset :icon_e_wink:
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Thanks honey, I guess this should be good news talking from a hoaxy POV of course.
The parallels to the accusations made by Jordy Chandler then Gavin are VERY similar to those now being made by Wade:
1. Allegations arose only after seeing a Psychiatrist
2. Wade had "repressed memory" - Jordy had memories only after being given sodium amytal and the idea was put into his head
3. It's all about getting money
4. the media, especially the rabids like Diane Demon etc are salivating over this and the previous allegations
5. They all originally stated many times over how much they adore MJ and how kind he is, he was fun to be around, they loved him like a father figure, he didn't do anything to them etc
6. As someone pointed out, every 10 years a new allegation: 1993, 2003 and 2013
There may be alot more parallels
Guys, Please read this and give me your insight and thought on this:
Jordan Chandler Trial:
People involved:
Jordan Chandler: alleged victim
Evan Chandler: Jordan's father his profession: dentist/ screenwriter
Michael Jackson: alleged abuser.
Tidbit note: Propofol can be used in dental surgery also a sedative hypnotic drug
LET'S FAST FORWARD TO THE PRESENT
Michael Jackson Wrongful Death VS AEG LIVE
People involved;
Michael Jackson: victim
AEG: responsible for Michael's "death"
Wade Robson: alleged molestation victim with "suppressed memories"
Conrad Murray; doctor serving time for the "death of Michael Jackson"
Tidbit note: 1.-Propofol was find in the body of "Michael Jackson" 2. Again can be used as a hypnotic drug( suppressed memory any one). Now the question that needs to be asked is this" What side effects does propofol cause if given in small dosage to a young person over a long period of time.
Another thought hypothetical speaking:
A patient goes to see their psychiatrist (that so happens to have a office at a hospital). The patient goes there and are put under hypnosis by their psychiatrist using a sedative/ hypnotic drug ( I don't know maybe Propofol).
..................
Interesting thoughts Sandal. I wonder if propofol and other similar drugs are used for mind control, when the 'patient' is in a state of unconsciousness. We know propofol doesn't mean the person's asleep...so does the brain pick up on outside influences during that "lights out" time? Perhaps with demerol as well? Would this be some MK ULTRA-type decades-long wrongs that need be righted? Is that why MJ decided to "die" this way - to bring attention, at some point, to the other possible ways the drug(s) is used and abused? Or is this over-speculating?
QuoteInteresting thoughts Sandal. I wonder if propofol and other similar drugs are used for mind control, when the 'patient' is in a state of unconsciousness. We know propofol doesn't mean the person's asleep...so does the brain pick up on outside influences during that "lights out" time? Perhaps with demerol as well? Would this be some MK ULTRA-type decades-long wrongs that need be righted? Is that why MJ decided to "die" this way - to bring attention, at some point, to the other possible ways the drug(s) is used and abused? Or is this over-speculating?
Sandal, your post about propofol is very eye opening. Andrea I don't think it's over-speculating, Michael WAS abused, don't know to what extent, and all of his problems started when he broke free of them.
I think we have a bigger problem now, I'm thinking about Tom M.'s statement posted by Thriller4ever. Lately, I'm beginning to think that we may have been taken for a ride as far as this hoax is concerned. I know all of the clues, discrepancies, Michael showing up in disguises in different places, and I have believed in the hoax, but could we all have been wrong about all of this? Everyone is saying that Michael was sick just before 6/25, could he have been murdered by accident or on purpose since he was worth more dead than alive? I know the murder theory has been discussed here, but new information is coming out now and can't really tell what's the truth and what's a lie anymore. I am so confused at this point, and don't know what to think!!!!!
Here we go:
http://www.today.com/entertainment/wade-robson-pedophile-michael-jackson-abused-me-7-years-1C9948163
Quote from bec:
"She's seen everything, MJonmind. Everything."
I'm going to be the mature one here bec and not reply to your childish comment..................
The parallels to the accusations made by Jordy Chandler then Gavin are VERY similar to those now being made by Wade:
1. Allegations arose only after seeing a Psychiatrist
2. Wade had "repressed memory" - Jordy had memories only after being given sodium amytal and the idea was put into his head
3. It's all about getting money
4. the media, especially the rabids like Diane Demon etc are salivating over this and the previous allegations
5. They all originally stated many times over how much they adore MJ and how kind he is, he was fun to be around, they loved him like a father figure, he didn't do anything to them etc
6. As someone pointed out, every 10 years a new allegation: 1993, 2003 and 2013
There may be alot more parallels
....have to add 2 more parallels
7. Date of WR civil hearing June 13th ....... same date as the Not Guilty verdict in 2005 trial
8. Tom Mesereau back in the picture :icon_cool:
19 Q. And with regard to the investigation
20 involving the defendant in this case, Michael
21 Jackson, were you assigned at some point to be a
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22 investigator on that investigation.
23 A. Yes.
24 Q. Do you recall when that was.
25 A. It was June the 13th. It was a Friday.
26 Q. Of what year.
27. A 2003, i'm sorry.
28 Q. All right. And the jurors probably heard
1 this, but we should hear it from you. You
2 participated in some interviews of the Arvizo
3 children; is that correct.
4 A. Yes.
5 Q. And those interviews were videotaped.
6 A. Correct.
7 Q. Now, at some point on November the 18th of
8 2003, did you participate in the execution of a
9 search warrant at Neverland Valley Ranch.
10 A. I did.
11 Q. And what was your role in the execution of
12 the search warrant.
I've been thinking along the same lines as you Jaci. However, if Michael is not behind this and the battle of good vs evil continues, then I hope Michael saw it coming and has a plan to defeat this latest attack. But really, I do think these accusations are perhaps the only way to face the perceptions some people have head on and to show the motivations of accusations past were solely for money and character assassination.
Later, Robson offered a special statement to TODAY, addressing other sexual abuse victims:
"There are millions of survivors of child sexual abuse out there who are suffering in silence and/or denial, as was I. If my coming forward and speaking my truth can help even one victim gain the courage to speak their truth and begin the healing process, that would be more than I could ever ask.
"I want to say to those victims that under NO circumstances was it or is it EVER your decision or your fault that you were sexually abused. Please find a way to safely speak your truth because the healing process cannot begin until you do. It is not easy in the slightest but it is absolutely possible to heal and get your life back."
If he's the same as here, both he and his side-kick TS were slippery when it came to revealing key facts, so I wouldn't put much weight on him saying Wade's not part of the hoax. I think Back/MJ would just say, Keep watchin...
Neither would TS tell us anything about TT or if MJ was DD.
Maybe because by now we should know better then to trust what any "insider" has to say.
He was entirely too comfortable/secure for my taste in his Today interview yesterday to be a lone individual going up against the beloved MJJ and all of the power brokers behind him and all that is his. The thing that I can't discount is that it would very well be in AEG's best interest to muddy the waters and tarnish the future earning potential of Michael during the trial in case it's goes to the jury and they lose. There are lots on the net that think it's entirely likely that this recent explosion of smear tactics are financed by them and I can't say I disagree with that possibility.
Oh, also because of the numbers; age 7 to 14 for 7 years (and that would actually be 8 years...), also the date of this hearing 6/13, anniversary of acquittal. Too many coincidences. Got MJ's stink all over it.
[pdf]http://amradaronline.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/wade-robson-full-doc.pdf[/pdf]
Love4Michael, I think your gray matter is doing just fine, and hope you’re back to painfree soon!
I liked your cautious but open approach. I agree it would be good to have all the points laid out for each side or sides of the WR source--MJ or AEG or other, sort of like TS had us laying things out.
Love4Michael, I'm on the same wavelength. AEG did say that it was going to get ugly. They may be hoping that with all these false allegations against Michael, Katherine may want to back away, not wishing to tarnish Michael's name any more than it already has. I believe that they are behind these LIES, and the people who are coming out of the trenches once again. AEG is very powerful and very connected, and they are playing very, very dirty to distract people's attention away from the trial onto these allegations and to create doubt in people's minds regarding Michael's innocence. AEG is creating a diversion based on lies to take people's attention away from the trial and at the same time destroy Michael's name and credibility hoping that this would guarantee a win for them and weaken Katherine's case.
Eager because I have been expecting this to be broached, Wade is clearly lying, acting, and specifically stated that MJ coached him in role play for these types of scenarios. Done deal for me. It's been 4 years, we've been through hell and back, I've done some serious soul searching, and I'm just going with my gut which says this is all a movie and MJ is in control.
......... A new allegation pulverized by the first two "victims" disavowing publicly that there was any abuse...EVER. ........
Eager because I have been expecting this to be broached, Wade is clearly lying, acting, and specifically stated that MJ coached him in role play for these types of scenarios. Done deal for me. It's been 4 years, we've been through hell and back, I've done some serious soul searching, and I'm just going with my gut which says this is all a movie and MJ is in control.
I also expected this disgusting issue to have to be dealt with but surely not in this manner. I just don't see how an additional allegation (especially with the convenient timing) that further solidifies negative public opinion is expected to help in anyway. The people who already thought he was guilty are running around shouting....See, see, we KNEW he was guilty. I've read numerous posts from people saying Geez, I thought he was innocent, but if THIS guy is saying so it MUST be true...or...well maybe it really IS true but he took too long so too bad for you dude. None of those sentiments in any way help to repair a wrong public opinion of an innocent man. The people shouting that he's lying were already in Michael's camp to begin with. In my post last night I gave one possible scenario where it would make sense for Michael to be behind this. A new allegation pulverized by the first two "victims" disavowing publicly that there was any abuse...EVER. One other thing that I thought of though is that if by chance Michael anticipated this campaign...and Robson was "bought"...that it was all documented so it would blow up in their face and prove that there was always bloodmoney (or the want of it) behind these charges.
Regardless of the details behind the recent events I still don't think this is just all a movie. To hell and back is a very apt description for our journey. Some of the hell part was because we've had to deal with (and prove or debunk) some pretty serious, frightening possibilities and I personally think that many of those are still in play here. Do I think he's documenting everything? Absolutely...he has always done that throughout his life so it will be captured...but I don't think it's just for entertainments sake.
What a super post bec! Almost makes me want to jump off this fence of mine! I think I overcomplicate things sometimes, because I tell myself it can't be that simple - but of course it can!Ima lure you off your perch.
I still don't think MJ has been in control of everything we've seen and are still seeing though. Thinking realistically there must be occasions when he has to adapt, be flexible, change plans in an endeavour that's lasting years, but that doesn't mean the overall plan has changed. JMO!
"...They last met in Las Vegas in 2008. Jackson was living there with his three children and Robson was working on a show in the city. “Me, my wife and him and his three kids had a barbecue,” recalled Robson. “It was the most normal thing in the world.”This will have been around the time MJ was really starting to put the major plan into action, and perhaps Wade even asked MJ if there was anything he could do for him. Remember Teddy Riley saying he carried out the projects MJ had requested.
Front @frontback777 10h
I wish ppl wld stop assuming WR is "h" related. Ask urself this.,,,how would MJ feel seeing his fans laugh abt it? Pls have mercy. <3
Is it too simple, too easy, too 'make-believe' to attribute 'difficult' stuff to MJ, much like that old hoaxer's habit of having everyone 'in the know' if a unexplainable scenario arose!
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I have been amazed at the incredible acting on the part of the insiders eg. Family, that MJ is dead for these 4 years, with almost no slip-ups or perhaps they have been deleted, which gives me confidence in Wade’s likely ability to act this part as well.Quote"...They last met in Las Vegas in 2008. Jackson was living there with his three children and Robson was working on a show in the city. “Me, my wife and him and his three kids had a barbecue,” recalled Robson. “It was the most normal thing in the world.”This will have been around the time MJ was really starting to put the major plan into action, and perhaps Wade even asked MJ if there was anything he could do for him. Remember Teddy Riley saying he carried out the projects MJ had requested.
After this last twitter Front post, I'm really thinking he's a front faker. Plus he lacks our Front's pizzazz and wit.QuoteFront @frontback777 10h
I wish ppl wld stop assuming WR is "h" related. Ask urself this.,,,how would MJ feel seeing his fans laugh abt it? Pls have mercy. <3
Quote from: curlsIs it too simple, too easy, too 'make-believe' to attribute 'difficult' stuff to MJ, much like that old hoaxer's habit of having everyone 'in the know' if a unexplainable scenario arose!
Yeah but... now we have good reason to believe everyone IS in the know! Lol. We used to think MJ pulled this off with only one or two accomplices Now we know that isn't possible, rather, he has an entire team working with him.
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I have been amazed at the incredible acting on the part of the insiders eg. Family, that MJ is dead for these 4 years, with almost no slip-ups or perhaps they have been deleted, which gives me confidence in Wade’s likely ability to act this part as well.Quote"...They last met in Las Vegas in 2008. Jackson was living there with his three children and Robson was working on a show in the city. “Me, my wife and him and his three kids had a barbecue,” recalled Robson. “It was the most normal thing in the world.”This will have been around the time MJ was really starting to put the major plan into action, and perhaps Wade even asked MJ if there was anything he could do for him. Remember Teddy Riley saying he carried out the projects MJ had requested.
After this last twitter Front post, I'm really thinking he's a front faker. Plus he lacks our Front's pizzazz and wit.QuoteFront @frontback777 10h
I wish ppl wld stop assuming WR is "h" related. Ask urself this.,,,how would MJ feel seeing his fans laugh abt it? Pls have mercy. <3
I am not sure yet if this is a legit Front twitter account but on the other hand if this twitter were a poser can you explain how come after Mindeye's tweet Paris is sending her this blatant shoutout:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,18330.msg441284.html#msg441284
This is being the most confusing time of all this hoax, damn it!! :icon_e_confused:
This time hasn't really been confusing for me...it's been more heartbreaking, exasperating and even infuriating. From the moment these lies were revealed I felt like I'd been sucker punched. ...then it's the ultimate (and still as yet to be absolutely determined) evil that has always tried to take Michael out or take him down.
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I have been amazed at the incredible acting on the part of the insiders eg. Family, that MJ is dead for these 4 years, with almost no slip-ups or perhaps they have been deleted, which gives me confidence in Wade’s likely ability to act this part as well.Quote"...They last met in Las Vegas in 2008. Jackson was living there with his three children and Robson was working on a show in the city. “Me, my wife and him and his three kids had a barbecue,” recalled Robson. “It was the most normal thing in the world.”This will have been around the time MJ was really starting to put the major plan into action, and perhaps Wade even asked MJ if there was anything he could do for him. Remember Teddy Riley saying he carried out the projects MJ had requested.
After this last twitter Front post, I'm really thinking he's a front faker. Plus he lacks our Front's pizzazz and wit.QuoteFront @frontback777 10h
I wish ppl wld stop assuming WR is "h" related. Ask urself this.,,,how would MJ feel seeing his fans laugh abt it? Pls have mercy. <3
I am not sure yet if this is a legit Front twitter account but on the other hand if this twitter were a poser can you explain how come after Mindeye's tweet Paris is sending her this blatant shoutout:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,18330.msg441284.html#msg441284
This is being the most confusing time of all this hoax, damn it!! :icon_e_confused:
You're right about it being a confusing time. I wasn't sure what to believe at first - whether it's part of the hoax or independent. Now I don't believe it is part of the hoax plan and I don't think that AEG has anything to do with Wade - although I read somewhere that AEG has hired him in the past?? Maybe somebody from the past saw this as the perfect time and opportunity to use Wade or anyone else who's willing. I hope that MJ knows who, where this is coming from. :icon_question:
I have my own reasons and coincidences that leads me to believe twitter Front is forum front. Also, Hoaxbook is down. Frontback read and lol'd the tweet convo with MaryK and Simpatty about Navi in the courtroom and who's ABC7Courts twitter, and asked me what does my third eye tell me in reference to "Durable power of attorney may be revoked".
So I felt overwhelmed, confused... that's why I tweeted: "Need to breathe. :-) #3rdeye asleep" - need to clear my head 3rd eye isn't working. :icon_lol:
I thought well if 'somebody' is watching I might get some kind of reply. Imo Paris tweet is a shout out about clearing thoughts, see the key again, maybe rethink go back to start?... don't forget who the driver is? :icon_albino:
(11th May to be precise), Swingset had a bit of a rant to twitter Front asking him to prove himself and that he's the same Front from the forum. Then I noticed that the tweet had been retweeted by Paris but it was quickly deleted.I'm guessing it's this rant of hers:
Raquel Tormo @SweetSunsetx 11 May
@frontback777 It's so difficult 2B honest I'm tired of illusion I want reality,feasible, we deserve 2 B respected once & 4 all
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Raquel Tormo @SweetSunsetx 11 May
@frontback777 Show us UR real, post on the forum & tell us this twitter belongs 2 U I'm tired of being fooled, tired of lies, tired of...
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Raquel Tormo @SweetSunsetx 11 May
@frontback777 Frontback777 you are a big fat FAKE don't make us waste our precious time don't copy-paste Michael's writing.
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because of his unsatisfied greed for the green?Could Front's tweet of green on May 8th, have to do with the $$ (green) claim by Wade first out on the day before--7th? It doesn't really show pre-knowledge but only that Wade's out for money, not helping with the hoax maybe IDK.
11/3/2010 8:30 PM PDT BY TMZ STAFF
MJ Fans: Oprah's Molestation Show Is No 'Coincidence'
An official MJ fan group ain't buying Oprah's "purely coincidental" excuse -- telling us, they are "angry and disappointed" that she's airing her interview with MJ's kids days after a special on child molestation. Plus she HAS to be aware of Latoya's recent OWN show on hearing MJ's ghost tapdancing.
A rep for the Official Michael Jackson Fans of Southern California tells TMZ, “We are both angry and disappointed in Oprah’s constant need to reference child molestation shows prior to airing Michael Jackson related episodes. Her tone seems to speak volumes.”
Oprah called the whole thing "purely coincidental" ... but MJ fans aren't convinced. The rep adds, “How can something so obvious be a coincidence?"
As we previously reported, Oprah's big interview with Michael Jackson's children is scheduled to air next Monday -- three days after Friday's big show ... entitled "200 Adult Men Who Were Molested Come Forward."
Forgive me Sweet, but you sound so desperate! You know that anyone familiar with this forum could've made that 'swingset' comment. If twitter Front is the forum Front and he wants us to know, it will become apparent in his own time - and he'll have to do better than that to convince me! Just be careful please - regardless of who Twitter Front is.
I can't prove this as I was too slow to take a screen capture, but when on twitter reading a few days ago (11th May to be precise), Swingset had a bit of a rant to twitter Front asking him to prove himself and that he's the same Front from the forum. Then I noticed that the tweet had been retweeted by Paris but it was quickly deleted.
anyhow, can't prove it, but I know what I saw. Also.... I was surprised because I wasn't expecting a response.
Forgive me Sweet, but you sound so desperate! You know that anyone familiar with this forum could've made that 'swingset' comment. If twitter Front is the forum Front and he wants us to know, it will become apparent in his own time - and he'll have to do better than that to convince me! Just be careful please - regardless of who Twitter Front is.
Curls I am not desperate but I am arriving to a point that I have no patience left I am so sick about fakers swarming around us and Front "NO WAY" I can't allow him to tease us mercilessly that's why I was challenging him to try to get a reliable sign, if you ask me that reliable sign is not the fact that he said my nickname is Swingset why? because that Front twitter account could be mine or of any of us and I know each of your Front nicknames.
RK:QuoteI can't prove this as I was too slow to take a screen capture, but when on twitter reading a few days ago (11th May to be precise), Swingset had a bit of a rant to twitter Front asking him to prove himself and that he's the same Front from the forum. Then I noticed that the tweet had been retweeted by Paris but it was quickly deleted.
anyhow, can't prove it, but I know what I saw. Also.... I was surprised because I wasn't expecting a response.
Thanks Rk for sharing, Curls I wasn't aware of what RK is saying so the assertion that the twitter account belongs to our Front is not based in what RK has said or in Front's tweet calling me Swingset but in Paris' tweet about the OM and breathe + key addressing Mindeye, that was a real prove to me that the account is legit.
Why is that so important to me? because although I was almost sure Michael was alive the fact that really made me think he was 100% alive was when Front posted the handwritten notes, call me naive yes maybe I am but from that moment onwards my belief in this hoax has become stronger Front has been a major asset to me, another question is if I believe he is Michael or not.
no, MJHoaxEvidence's video is not convincing.
I'm starting to think that this new molestation case is for convince people that the old child molestation was not true... I was watching the news last week and the girl talked about the WR case. At the end, they were saying that it was all for money. Seem like medias start to change their way of thinking...Finally!!
I'm starting to think that this new molestation case is for convince people that the old child molestation was not true... I was watching the news last week and the girl talked about the WR case. At the end, they were saying that it was all for money. Seem like medias start to change their way of thinking...Finally!!
Yes maybe it's the beginning of the end for media lying about Michael.
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There are two things I know for sure...
1) There are no coincidences
2) Timing is everything
In the midst of the AEG trial, WR makes this claim.
He "says" he's not doing it for money- yet he has to know this sort of information would make it less likely that the Jackson estate would prevail against AEG.
AEG's defense is that MJ's drug addiction was largely due to the 2005 trial/ molestation allegations etc...
So what idiot would make a lawsuit against an estate that hasn't even prevailed in its case? :icon_e_confused:
My gut is telling me AEG is behind this...I don't know what they offered Wade, but it must have been huge!....interesting too how Wades house recently sold so quickly and way over market value Coincidence? I think NOT....just connect the dots! :icon_rolleyes:
....now if "others" came forward say Brett Barnes, Jordan Chandler, Omer Bhatti, or whoever else claiming the same in support of his allegation....then It would seem to give Wade some credibility...but the fact that an entertainment company (AEG) is being sued and a person who works in "entertainment"(Wade Robson) is making the allegation is just a little too coincidental to me....just saying
I don't think MJ is involved in this at all, this is just a distraction from the real issue at hand. The evils of the music industry. :ghsdf:
I believe and feel the same way. Also, it's my belief that even if one more child came forward, this child would also be lying and would be paid to lie, since I know for certain that it's not in Michael to hurt a living thing, let alone a child.
The evils of the music industry are coming out for the whole world to see. It is about time that their dirty deeds are being shown, their disgusting treatment of the artist(s) is finally coming to light, even though without the artist they would not even have a penny to their name.
They call Michael "creepy" and a "freak" while at the same time doing every dirty scheme and deceit to get everything Michael worked so hard for his whole life.
Here is a tweet from ABC7:
ABC7 Court News @ABC7Courts 2h
"Jackson's fans said they were "outraged" at AEG's treatment of Michael. They were crying in the hallway and said animals are treated better."
AdiQuote6. As someone pointed out, every 10 years a new allegation: 1993, 2003 and 2013There's seems to be something very purposeful about this, 3,3,3.
I noticed in the article above that Robson is 30 and, "The claims come 10 days after top Hollywood choreographer Wade Robson..."
Plus plenty of 7's.
Seems Tom Mesereau is going to be in big demand again, like twitter Front predicted.
And where's Susan Yu; it would be nice to hear from her too? http://reflectionsonthedance.blogspot.ca/2011/07/susan-yuthe-unsung-hero-of-2005-michael.html
I agree...the 333 seems purposeful to me too. Also it made me remember reading somewhere that the date of hearing is 6/6/2013 and it is ----> here on the documents filed: http://amradaronline.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/wade-robson-full-doc.pdf
so 6-6-2013 = 666 (where 2013=6)
The numbers 333 and 666 of course made me think back to all the numerology posts made by TS and the Dangerous autograph code etc - 333 needed to turn 666 into 999 - turning the pyramid upside down.
Also the every 10 years (10, 10, 10) also again reminds me of TS's numerology and 111 is another hoaxy number (when zeros' are removed)
Very curious to me and yes I think purposeful.
Yes - Front on Twitter predicted it...and if this next round of BS allegations, which has been reported today, eventuates then I think Tom Mesereau will definitely be:Quote....back into the picture...very soon & very BIG
Apparently Access Hollywood brought in their own body language expert Dr. Lillian Glass who says Wade Robson’s body language says he’s telling the truth now, and lying the other years. Grr...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ0hWexUPmM[/youtube]
http://www.wisebrother.com/tcs/story/58451
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There are two things I know for sure...
1) There are no coincidences
2) Timing is everything
In the midst of the AEG trial, WR makes this claim.
He "says" he's not doing it for money- yet he has to know this sort of information would make it less likely that the Jackson estate would prevail against AEG.
AEG's defense is that MJ's drug addiction was largely due to the 2005 trial/ molestation allegations etc...
So what idiot would make a lawsuit against an estate that hasn't even prevailed in its case? :icon_e_confused:
My gut is telling me AEG is behind this...I don't know what they offered Wade, but it must have been huge!....interesting too how Wades house recently sold so quickly and way over market value Coincidence? I think NOT....just connect the dots! :icon_rolleyes:
....now if "others" came forward say Brett Barnes, Jordan Chandler, Omer Bhatti, or whoever else claiming the same in support of his allegation....then It would seem to give Wade some credibility...but the fact that an entertainment company (AEG) is being sued and a person who works in "entertainment"(Wade Robson) is making the allegation is just a little too coincidental to me....just saying
I don't think MJ is involved in this at all, this is just a distraction from the real issue at hand. The evils of the music industry. :ghsdf:
Apparently Access Hollywood brought in their own body language expert Dr. Lillian Glass who says Wade Robson’s body language says he’s telling the truth now, and lying the other years. Grr...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ0hWexUPmM[/youtube]
http://www.wisebrother.com/tcs/story/58451
Not sure if this article has been posted yet, just read it over at .net.
http://www.joevogel.net/michael-jackson-delayed-allegations-and-witch-hunts (http://www.joevogel.net/michael-jackson-delayed-allegations-and-witch-hunts)
And in the court of public opinion, the Michael Jackson witch trial goes on.Sadly that's true.
Not sure if this article has been posted yet, just read it over at .net.
http://www.joevogel.net/michael-jackson-delayed-allegations-and-witch-hunts (http://www.joevogel.net/michael-jackson-delayed-allegations-and-witch-hunts)
I just read it and was about to post it, noticed that you already did. :icon_e_smile:
An absolutely worth-to- read!
Obvious controversies about Robson's memories, repressed or, as he later claims in an interview, processing memory problems.QuoteAnd in the court of public opinion, the Michael Jackson witch trial goes on.Sadly that's true.
It is significant that WR's accusation fits in nicely with the needing '4 years to get it right', in fact he waited til the fourth year.
http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/story/be814f65fa974caabab85bc3b400db50/US--Jackson-Abuse-Allegations/ (http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/story/be814f65fa974caabab85bc3b400db50/US--Jackson-Abuse-Allegations/)
LOS ANGELES — A judge says he is inclined to unseal portions of a choreographer's court filings alleging he was abused by Michael Jackson but that details of the alleged molestation should remain out of public court filings.
Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff made the comment Thursday to attorneys for Jackson's estate and lawyers for choreographer and television personality Wade Robson.
Robson has accused Jackson of abusing him for seven years when he was a child, but most of the court filing remains under seal.
Beckloff said he needed to address which elements of Robson's May 1 filings should be public before he could address whether the choreographer can pursue his claims.
The judge said he believed a psychiatrist's declaration about Robson's allegations should be completely sealed.
| Attorneys for Robson and Jackson's estate will review the suggestions by the judge and report back at a hearing on June 25, the fourth anniversary of Jackson's death. |
June 25th, oh naturally... :-[
Well I guess we'll have to wait for sure till Oct 28, 2013 for the '4 years to make it right'.
June 25th, oh naturally... :-[
Well I guess we'll have to wait for sure till Oct 28, 2013 for the '4 years to make it right'.
I don't wanna be a party pooper but somebody made me wonder if that will for sure be the hoax deadline, remember Jermaine saying MJ had a 5 year plan + Murray's appeal not yet finished.
It is significant that WR's accusation fits in nicely with the needing '4 years to get it right', in fact he waited til the fourth year.
I cannot wait until the world finds out the truth about Wade Robson's link to AEG. I wish I could say more. Soon you will know.
who's Keya Morgan?
Blankie and Marumjj, just want to say how much I love your unshakable faith and love for MJ and his hoax project/dream!
Blessings to you (and all you fellow hoaxers who love him)!
:bearhug:
Cas
Yesterday, on the 4 year anniversary of the greatest show on earth, was a court hearing which was suppose to decide whether some portions of the documents would be unsealed, but i have not heard anything with regards to it. hmmm, has anyone heard anything about what happened? :icon_eek:
Filing Date: 06/29/2009 :icon_e_confused: :icon_e_surprised: :WTF: !!!!!!!!!!
Filing Date: 06/29/2009 :icon_e_confused: :icon_e_surprised: :WTF: !!!!!!!!!!
What does that mean?
“Mr. Robson has had NO contact whatsoever with AEG whatsoever regarding their case. It’s false and untrue that AEG had any contact with Mr. Robson before his claim was filed,” Helen Yu, one of the lawyers representing Robson told RadarOnline.com exclusively.
http://t.radaronline.com/radaronline/#!/entry/michael-jackson-sex-accuser-claims-dad-killed-himself-after-being,51d3f412da27f5d9d0f12bd6/1
Can't copy and past the article, but it claims that Wade Robson's father killed himself BACK IN 2002 after being destroyed by alleged abuse of his son Wade by Michael. I mean......WHAT????? Didn't he ask his son about it? And did Wade denied it or not? Wade had become estranged from his dad at that time the article claims, but if a dad expects wrong things have happened, and he even feels so terrible to KILL himself over it, he should have demanded an investigation. Even if you are bi-polar. And why has Wade's aunt waited all this time to talk about the reason why his dad killed himself? It sounds ALOT like the Chandler saga. What a weird story.....
P.s I edited my post because it came across as if I believe Wade and his father. That's not the case.
Personal life
In July 2002, Robson's father, Dennis Robson, died after a long illness.[3]
"In 2002, when Plaintiff was twenty (20) years old, Plaintiff's father committed suicide by hanging himself. Plaintiff recently learned from his father's sister that the thought that Plaintiff might have been sexually abuse by Doe 1 was huge source of anxiety and depression for his father."
Dude, that IS the Chandler story. Interesting.
Dude, that IS the Chandler story. Interesting.
Yes you are right Bec that's what I thought too but in Chandler's case the father killed himself two months after Michael's "passing" because maybe he could not stand all the pressure of the news.
Jackson's Aussie accuser gets trial date
11:13am September 28, 2013
Australian choreographer Wade Robson's pursuit of a slice of late pop star Michael Jackson's estate will go to trial in Los Angeles next year.
Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff, at a hearing in downtown LA on Friday, set a June 2 trial.
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/entertainment/2013/09/28/11/16/jackson-s-aussie-accuser-gets-trial-date (http://news.ninemsn.com.au/entertainment/2013/09/28/11/16/jackson-s-aussie-accuser-gets-trial-date)
Oh boy it seems that things will get very ugly next year,AGAIN :LolLolLolLol: :icon_eek: !!!! This Wade Robson guy does not want to give up his bullshit accusations :icon_lol: :icon_rolleyes: .But let's not panick over this. Like Joe Jackson said, anyone can sue his son but not everybody can beat him in court . :icon_cool: :icon_e_wink:
Admittedly I don't know much about this sort of thing but how could Wade now go to trial to prove his allegations if the (presumably departed) accused isn't there to defend himself in person?
Admittedly I don't know much about this sort of thing but how could Wade now go to trial to prove his allegations if the (presumably departed) accused isn't there to defend himself in person?
Wade would sue MJ Estate IMO.
Jackson's Aussie accuser gets trial date
11:13am September 28, 2013
Australian choreographer Wade Robson's pursuit of a slice of late pop star Michael Jackson's estate will go to trial in Los Angeles next year.
Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff, at a hearing in downtown LA on Friday, set a June 2 trial.
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/entertainment/2013/09/28/11/16/jackson-s-aussie-accuser-gets-trial-date (http://news.ninemsn.com.au/entertainment/2013/09/28/11/16/jackson-s-aussie-accuser-gets-trial-date)
Oh boy it seems that things will get very ugly next year,AGAIN :LolLolLolLol: :icon_eek: !!!! This Wade Robson guy does not want to give up his bullshit accusations :icon_lol: :icon_rolleyes: .But let's not panick over this. Like Joe Jackson said, anyone can sue his son but not everybody can beat him in court . :icon_cool: :icon_e_wink:
I wonder if the hoax will continue next year 2014 and the 5 year plan that Jermaine said it was correct so no BAM this year or should I say NO HOAX EXISTS? Or the fight will go on after Michael's BAM?!?!? I have so many questions that I'm unable to find an answer.
Jackson's Aussie accuser gets trial date
11:13am September 28, 2013
Australian choreographer Wade Robson's pursuit of a slice of late pop star Michael Jackson's estate will go to trial in Los Angeles next year.
Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff, at a hearing in downtown LA on Friday, set a June 2 trial.
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/entertainment/2013/09/28/11/16/jackson-s-aussie-accuser-gets-trial-date (http://news.ninemsn.com.au/entertainment/2013/09/28/11/16/jackson-s-aussie-accuser-gets-trial-date)
Oh boy it seems that things will get very ugly next year,AGAIN :LolLolLolLol: :icon_eek: !!!! This Wade Robson guy does not want to give up his bullshit accusations :icon_lol: :icon_rolleyes: .But let's not panick over this. Like Joe Jackson said, anyone can sue his son but not everybody can beat him in court . :icon_cool: :icon_e_wink:
I wonder if the hoax will continue next year 2014 and the 5 year plan that Jermaine said it was correct so no BAM this year or should I say NO HOAX EXISTS? Or the fight will go on after Michael's BAM?!?!? I have so many questions that I'm unable to find an answer.
That's right, MJ state is facing a lawsuit for abuse.
Wade can argue a profound mental disorder (repressive memory? ') But we are out of the timeline.
All are said, where are the tests? Why not sue when he was 20 and could defend MJ?
We all believe that MJ faked his death, after seven years, legally, MJ is declared dead. Will we have to wait three years more? seeing all this crap, and more lies you can possibly get.
Admittedly I don't know much about this sort of thing but how could Wade now go to trial to prove his allegations if the (presumably departed) accused isn't there to defend himself in person?
Wade would sue MJ Estate IMO.
But would the Estate even be liable?
I was just about to post this @applehead......you are quick my friend .
Australian choreographer Wade Robson's pursuit of a slice of late pop star Michael Jackson's estate will go to trial in Los Angeles next year.
Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff, at a hearing in downtown LA on Friday, set a June 2 trial.
Brisbane-born Robson, 31, who as a five-year-old dance prodigy was befriended by Jackson, was a star witness at the King of Pop's 2005 molestation trial in California.
Robson vehemently denied under oath Jackson had sexually abused him and was a key reason for Jackson's acquittal, but earlier this year Robson did an about-face and claimed the pop star was a sexual predator who brainwashed him.
Robson said it wasn't until after Jackson's 2009 death and the birth of his own son that he was psychologically and emotionally able to understand that Jackson had sexually abused him.
Robson filed a late claim in a Los Angeles court against the dead singer's estate, which is reportedly worth as much as $US1.5 billion ($A1.61 billion).
A lawyer for Jackson's estate, Howard Weitzman, has labelled Robson's delayed allegations as "outrageous and pathetic".
However, Robson's lawyer, Henry Gradstein, said his client was so traumatised he could no longer dance, sing or write songs.
Robson had built a career as one of the world's top choreographers, partnering with Justin Timberlake and Britney Spears and winning an Emmy Award for his work on the US version of TV competition So You Think You Can Dance.
He also co-wrote hit songs for 'NSync and Backstreet Boys.
Hi everyone, I am sharing some information that i received yesterday from a
reputable source. I know that many of us have been upset with the outcome of
wade robson’s claims, particularly the news we heard on friday, september 27,
2013.
The few media stories that were released about wade's case going
to “trial” was yet another disappointment. I am not sure how others interpreted
the news from the media but i took it as a trial not a court hearing date. So i
decided to write to one of mj estate contacts, about how i, and the fans were so
upset about the bad news. I also expressed how i hope that mr. Mesereau gets
involved with the “trial” next year. Well, to my surprise, they were so kind to
respond to me. The gentleman i conversed with said that there is no trial date
scheduled and that june 2, 2014 is a court hearing date set to determine whether
or not robson can file and pursue this late claim against the estate. There are
more minor details but i have to wait until i get permission to share all of it
from my source.
So what I thought was a trial is not …its just a court hearing date set for
june 2, 2014. And what I thought was happening friday, september 27, 2013, is
not going to take place until june 2, 2014. I am not sure what went on last
friday in the court room, I know that there was talk about wade having to prove
that he did not know about the estate before a certain date but I never got the
chance to ask the particulars of last friday’s court date. If I hear back from
him again I will ask, however, I know he is a very busy person and i am so
thankful that he responded to my email in the first place. So with that, i can’t
promise anything. I take this as good news. It stinks that we have to wait nine
months to hear what we were waiting to hear last friday but its better than the
news I thought it was…which was that wade got a trial date and that is not true
at all. So again, there is no trial date set, and no civil trial date set
either, as some choose to believe…and we all know who that is.
Meg v. Kelly
It’s all for L.O.V.E.
P.s. When i get permission to share my source i will post the email that was
sent to me.
P.s.s. Besides my gratitude to the person who gave me the
information, i would like to also thank my friend craig and also my friend who
runs the “i believe michael jackson is innocent” facebook page for all your
support in this and getting this information out to everyone.
Admittedly I don't know much about this sort of thing but how could Wade now go to trial to prove his allegations if the (presumably departed) accused isn't there to defend himself in person?
Wade would sue MJ Estate IMO.
But would the Estate even be liable?
It has to be otherwise why is Wade suing a dead person? or is it a hoax within a hoax??
"I'll never betray or deceive you.."MY FRIEND"....BUT..."If you show me the cash, then I will take it. You'll do anything for money"HIStory Continues
If Wade wanted to cause trouble, he had the opportunity to do it 8 years ago. There was a trial, if he wanted to spout crap there was his chance. Instead, he spoke for MJ - clearly to keep his backside out of the dirt. He's wasting his breath now.
It was only until his son was born and after MJ died....what a load of crap. He was an adult when he testified, as was Jordan Chandler, and Chandler chose not to testify at all. Mac Culkin was an adult too, old enough to understand sexual molestation when he saw it, and didn't see it or experience it with Michael.
To be completely naive on the signs of sexual molestation in your 20s is absolutely ridiculous. Shows that he's really lying about what happened.
Here is some interesting expiriment:
https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2015/01/08/asch-solomons-experiment-a-word-of-encouragement-for-truthseekers/
But is it possible to channel the fury of millions of people into a direction which is totally false?
Possible and very much so. All it needs is: 1) the idea 2) conductors of the orchestra 3) willing participants (media and others) to play the ‘right’ tune and beat it into people’s heads with a deafening noise. The success of the operation depends on the concerted effort of all players.
So yes, the hatred campaign against Michael Jackson was also an orchestrated effort, because only the unity of action on the part of all players can produce the desired unanimity effect on the targeted audience. Otherwise it won’t work.
Now that the same brainwashing campaign is raging in my country and it took just several months to turn the views of many people into their opposite, I can assert that the key factors to the ‘success’ of the operation is the totality and force of lies. When lies, half-truths and half-lies pour from every media outlet on a daily basis they are able to stamp out the last traces of doubt even if you were initially convinced of something different. As a result public opinion reaches a stage when everyone relies on all others thinking that “all of them can’t be wrong”.
In fact this is one of the favorite arguments of Michael’s haters, as if the opinion of the majority can be equivalent to proof of anyone’s guilt. So what if the majority doubted Michael’s innocence? The only thing it proves is that the majority was successfully led to believe lies about Jackson through an unprecedented campaign of slander, hate and disinformation.
The truthful position of just one person can crucially change the whole thing. And start a new chain reaction followed by many other similar chain reactions. And this is where the chances for the truth are.
Thank you for your post. I truly understand that what Robson and Safechuck claim feels highly suspicious, condering their timing and the fact that they had many opportunities to come forward at a much earlier stage. This makes their stories indeed highly incredible or at least very difficult to examine. My post was merely intended to show that (in general), not all victims of molestation immediately tell someone that they were abused or that they refuse to go back to their molester (which was MFFreedom was wondering about).
However, I still do think that there could be many reasons why a victim doesn't come forward. I'm certainly not a psychologist, but Stockholm syndrome could be one of them http://counsellingresource.com/lib/therapy/self-help/stockholm/
Please correct me if I'm wrong, because truly, IDK. While behavior and body-language analysis of possible victims of sexual abuse provides for interesting discussion, it does not suffice as evidence (i.e., of guilt or innocence, fact or fiction, truth or lies, and so on) regarding the alleged perpetrator in a court of law, or does it?
What I also wonder about is why we easily want to accept La Toya's explanation that she lied back then about her allegations because she was manipulated into it by Jack Gordon (and even went back to him after she was beaten up and left him), and that she was telling the truth after that. Why don't we want to accept that an alleged victims could be lying back then and is now telling the truth?Touché, Do. It does indeed work both ways.
Couldn't it be possible that, among many other reasons, they were manipulated as well (remember, manipulation doesn't always occur in a negative way, it can be done with love as well).“They” presumably refers to Robson and Safechuck (as discussed in your previous post)—by whom might they have been manipulated? And how might it have been done with love?
What I also wonder about is why we easily want to accept La Toya's explanation that she lied back then about her allegations because she was manipulated into it by Jack Gordon (and even went back to him after she was beaten up and left him), and that she was telling the truth after that. Why don't we want to accept that an alleged victims could be lying back then and is now telling the truth?Touché, Do. It does indeed work both ways.Couldn't it be possible that, among many other reasons, they were manipulated as well (remember, manipulation doesn't always occur in a negative way, it can be done with love as well).“They” presumably refers to Robson and Safechuck (as discussed in your previous post)—by whom might they have been manipulated? And how might it have been done with love?
And does anyone know the answer to the question that I posed in my previous post?
Michael Jackson was a master “brainwash” expert who manipulated a young boy into “deviant” sex acts — according to explosive claims filed in his sex abuse case and obtained by RadarOnline.com.
James Safechuck is accusing Michael Jackson of molesting him as a child decades ago. Jackson’s attorneys have tried to block the suit, but Safechuck’s attorneys fired back in a new filing obtained by Radar, and claimed that he should be allowed to sue the late pop star’s estate because he didn’t realize he’d been psychologically damaged until recent therapy.
Jackson’s “manipulation and indoctrination” of Safechuck, who was 10 when he worked with Jackson in a 1987 Pepsi commercial, “rendered him psychologically incapable of understanding the full extent of the harm that Jackson inflicted upon him until he obtained therapy as an adult,” the new court filing contends.
The recent therapy helped Safechuck “‘connect the dots’ between Jackson’s abuse and the deep feelings of panic and anxiety he has experienced since childhood,” the filing claims. “Before entering therapy, Safechuck had always believed that these feelings were ‘just a part of who he is.’”
Safechuck used the same lawyer as Australian choreographer Wade Robson to file a creditor’s claim against Jackson’s estate for alleged damages suffered from child sex abuse.
Jackson estate lawyers argued in a court filing in September that Safechuck started therapy only after he learned about Robson’s claim last year. “Safechuck claims when he learned about Robson’s lawsuit after May 1, 2013, he thought for the first time he might need help. Safechuck started meeting with a psychiatrist on May 20, 2013, and began discussing the alleged abuse during the treatment,” the documents said.
California law allows just one year after someone dies for a claim to be made against their estate. Safechuck waited nearly five years after Jackson’s 2009 overdose from a surgical anesthetic to come forward with his claims.
But Safechuck’s lawyers argue that “the fact that Safechuck was unable to reach this realization until after the deadline for filing a claim had passed, should not be used as the sole basis for denying his petition.”
He claims that he was groomed, and sexually molested by Michael Jackson for five years, beginning when he was 10 years old.
Jackson “left him filled with guilt and shame” and convinced “their relationship was ‘consensual’ and an ‘expression of love,’” the filing contends.
“Jackson’s ‘modus operandi’ was to carefully seduce his victims and their families by exposing them to an exciting and glamorous lifestyle which they found irresistible, and manipulate them into believing that he simply wanted to be ‘friends’ with his target,” the filing says.
“In Safechuck’s case, Jackson ingratiated himself with Safechuck’s family by inviting them to dinner at his home, buying them expensive gifts, and taking them on exotic vacations,” the document says. “Having won Safechuck’s parents’ trust, Jackson began grooming Safechuck for sexual abuse by encouraging him to become a ‘miniature version’ of Jackson, and intensifying the emotional connection between them.”
“Then, once Safechuck had begun to idolize and trust him completely, Jackson initiated Safechuck into his deviant world of childhood sexual abuse by teaching him how to masturbate,” the claim says.
Ultimately, Safechuck was “brainwashed” to believe that the abusive acts were “‘his idea,’ and a normal way for two people to show their love for each other,” the filing contends. “At the same time, Jackson intimidated Safechuck into hiding their relationship from the world, and made Safechuck believe that if the truth ever came out, then their futures ‘would be over.’”
It was those “conflicting messages” that caused “horrible confusion, guilt and shame in Safechuck’s innocent, youthful mind, and this profound emotional harm has continued to plague him into adulthood,” his lawyers write.
Safechuck’s relationship with Jackson was part of the evidence introduced in the 2005 sex molestation trial against the entertainer. A Santa Barbara County, California, jury found Jackson not guilty on all counts
QuoteMy concern goes out to the people who really have been abused , people like Wade , safechuck,do ruin it for people who really had this expiriences.
Yes, very true, that's what I fear as well...QuoteHI @Do, we are not talking about a little boy here, we speak about a grown man of 20 years old who was a key wittnes in the 2005 trial. Who after that waited for 10 years to discover that he was also sex. abused by MJ. :icon_eek: he said he always knew, but didnt know it was sex. abuse. but thought it was love , again, 20 years old!
Not in 1.62 Billion years
P.s@ DO it is not my intention to disrespect you or anyone else, i hope i haven't done this in my post.
Hi Shy, don't worry, I don't feel disrespected at all! I'm very glad that we can talk about this without arguing! And I totally understand were you're coming from. It's cristal clear for you, but I'm still strugling with it a bit. I do understand when you (and Michaelslady) are saying that a child don't want to go back to someone who is doing these things. I can't say much more about it, like I said, I'm trying to stay neutral on this.
P.s. Ben je klaar met het klussen in je huis :)
.... I have toyed with the idea that the latest allegations are designed to keep Michael in his place of being 'dead' as well. His career has been reinvented since he 'died' and the estate has made mega bucks. I think that there would be many who would like this gravy train to continue without him reappearing. So throw some more fabricated bullshit out there and give him the option of stay gone, where they can't reach you and let us deal with this, or go back and face a repeat of 2005 with the added surprise element of having faked your death thrown in there for added effect.
I think he has chosen option 1. He is a father who has the well being of his children to take into account.
.... I have toyed with the idea that the latest allegations are designed to keep Michael in his place of being 'dead' as well. His career has been reinvented since he 'died' and the estate has made mega bucks. I think that there would be many who would like this gravy train to continue without him reappearing. So throw some more fabricated bullshit out there and give him the option of stay gone, where they can't reach you and let us deal with this, or go back and face a repeat of 2005 with the added surprise element of having faked your death thrown in there for added effect.
I think he has chosen option 1. He is a father who has the well being of his children to take into account.
This could be the sad and terrible truth ... that MJ is still not 'free' and in control. I posted a similar idea a few days ago and asked the question of whether legally he'd be in sticky waters if he later resurfaced, having stayed dead knowing there were these allegations being made against him. Has he missed the window of opportunity to come back and face this head on and is now forced to stay dead?
But, RK, who are you suggesting threw the 'fabricated bullshit'?
Horrible if the whole hoax idea that was meant to be such an adventure for all concerned, has monumentally backfired in such an ugly way.
agree, wow i never heard of that starchild, but it gives new perspectives , i already had let go of the thought MJ would ever come back. but never lose hope..... I have toyed with the idea that the latest allegations are designed to keep Michael in his place of being 'dead' as well. His career has been reinvented since he 'died' and the estate has made mega bucks. I think that there would be many who would like this gravy train to continue without him reappearing. So throw some more fabricated bullshit out there and give him the option of stay gone, where they can't reach you and let us deal with this, or go back and face a repeat of 2005 with the added surprise element of having faked your death thrown in there for added effect.
I think he has chosen option 1. He is a father who has the well being of his children to take into account.
This could be the sad and terrible truth ... that MJ is still not 'free' and in control. I posted a similar idea a few days ago and asked the question of whether legally he'd be in sticky waters if he later resurfaced, having stayed dead knowing there were these allegations being made against him. Has he missed the window of opportunity to come back and face this head on and is now forced to stay dead?
But, RK, who are you suggesting threw the 'fabricated bullshit'?
Horrible if the whole hoax idea that was meant to be such an adventure for all concerned, has monumentally backfired in such an ugly way.
I’ve thought about this a lot as well, Curls and RK—wondered if these new allegations are being presented, as well as consequent suggestion of guilt regarding old allegations being maintained, in an effort to paint MJ as an unreliable source regarding something more sinister if and when he ever does choose to come back, i.e., like a just in case . . . let’s keep the fabrications rolling as a monumental distraction (and destroyer of credibility) from anything significant he might want to reveal. IDK :icon_e_confused:
But yes, it seems the bottom line question regards the who and why. I’ve never been one to believe the hoax was primarily conducted as an adventure but have rather always seen the “adventure” part as a side activity. However, I thought I read somewhere that a person has seven years from the alleged date of death to return without suffering legal loss/repercussion (?).
agree, wow i never heard of that starchild, but it gives new perspectives , i already had let go of the thought MJ would ever come back. but never lose hope..... I have toyed with the idea that the latest allegations are designed to keep Michael in his place of being 'dead' as well. His career has been reinvented since he 'died' and the estate has made mega bucks. I think that there would be many who would like this gravy train to continue without him reappearing. So throw some more fabricated bullshit out there and give him the option of stay gone, where they can't reach you and let us deal with this, or go back and face a repeat of 2005 with the added surprise element of having faked your death thrown in there for added effect.
I think he has chosen option 1. He is a father who has the well being of his children to take into account.
RK, it's a great thought and totally makes sense to me.
This could be the sad and terrible truth ... that MJ is still not 'free' and in control. I posted a similar idea a few days ago and asked the question of whether legally he'd be in sticky waters if he later resurfaced, having stayed dead knowing there were these allegations being made against him. Has he missed the window of opportunity to come back and face this head on and is now forced to stay dead?
But, RK, who are you suggesting threw the 'fabricated bullshit'?
Horrible if the whole hoax idea that was meant to be such an adventure for all concerned, has monumentally backfired in such an ugly way.
I’ve thought about this a lot as well, Curls and RK—wondered if these new allegations are being presented, as well as consequent suggestion of guilt regarding old allegations being maintained, in an effort to paint MJ as an unreliable source regarding something more sinister if and when he ever does choose to come back, i.e., like a just in case . . . let’s keep the fabrications rolling as a monumental distraction (and destroyer of credibility) from anything significant he might want to reveal. IDK :icon_e_confused:
But yes, it seems the bottom line question regards the who and why. I’ve never been one to believe the hoax was primarily conducted as an adventure but have rather always seen the “adventure” part as a side activity. However, I thought I read somewhere that a person has seven years from the alleged date of death to return without suffering legal loss/repercussion (?).