Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Persons Of Interest => The Jackson Family & Kids => Latoya Jackson => Topic started by: gorjus on April 20, 2013, 06:06:51 AM
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I read an article on the internet yesterday,but i cant find it today.i wanted to post it to you guys.Im not sure if im making up my own stuff about some theories but i will explain.I will try to get the article today.
it basically said that La toya spoke to a physic and this person told la toya that Mikes spirit is in their house in Gary,Idiana.
La toya states that it hurts not knowing what had happend to mike
Could this be a clue that if Mike is in hiding that its a clue to his fans that he is in gary or that house?BUT so many people know Mikes house in Gary im sure they would see some kind of activity
on the other hand wouldnt their house in Gary be occupied by residence so why would MJs spirit be there?wouldnt the spirit give signs its there.im sure MJ wouldnt want to scare those innocent residence :thjajaja121:
If it is his spirit why isnt it around his kids or mom?why so isolated in their old house?maybe he missed the house,but im sure he visited before his 'death'?
As far as I know we all go to heaven.I am a christian and i know for sure that when i die im going to god.now if mj is really dead,why is his spirit still roaming 4 years later?he was a pure innocent man who would of reached heaven by now
I know some of you are going to say maybe he does have a spirit that is roaming because he did not die of a natural cause,but then why isnt this discussed by the physic!!!!!!!!!!??????? :Pulling_hair:
i watched programmes about physics: the one programmes is based on physics helping polices to find a dead persons body or something.im sure you guys watched long island medium with theresa.she talks to the dead
so howcome this wonderful physic coulnt talk to precious mike to see if his ok wherever he is?how come his spirit did not come through and talk to la toya but they could easily track him in Gary?
in long island medium you see theresa talking to spirits who have been killed or commited suicide.so if mike was killed howcome this physic did not talk to mike.howcome his spirits here.the spirits in long island medium come through to talk to their loved ones even if they were murdered and state they are safe and always watching them howcome mikes spirit did not do that?
howcome a physic couldnt tell la toya what happend to mike?i thought they could see these things based on the past and future.Like i said la toya says it hurts not knowing what happend,im sure the physic could get images from mike to show what happend on 25 june 2009.unless la toya already knows :D
im sure the physic was pretty good that la toya decided to go to her/him
please comment and debate against me
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With Respect Gorjus, Mike isn't dead. That is why we are on this forum.
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Yes that's why I mentioned all those quetions.I should of been more clear---if he was really dead his spirit would of spoken to the physic that was my point sorry about that
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Please take a look at this hoaxy video exerpt from LaToya's "Life with LaToya" show
http://on.aol.com/video/psychic-delivers-message-from-michael-jackson-517751991?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+5min%2Ftr01-com+(5min%2Ftr01-com)
She has a great disguise (not very original) :icon_lol:
(http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/760820882.jpg)
and more "Life with LaToya" here
http://vimeo.com/user17702120/videos
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If all the conversation is staged in this 'Reality' show, then the psychic especially is doing some pretty good acting. I guess it depends on what you believe about a person's spirit after death being able to communicate real thoughts and emotions.
Or is this a message from live MJ, that we hoaxers should move on from our investigations?
Do you guys think it's all acting? What are your thoughts?
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I'm not sure what to think. The psychic is a really good actor if this is all staged.
Why would Michael want us to "let go" and move on? Does that mean he's not coming back? I'm confused.
At the beginning that security guy in Hayvenhurst said "Michael's spirit is still around" , I thought Michael's spirit was supposed to be in Neverland where his "ghost" was seen. I wonder if "spirits" are able to travel from one place to another.
...This whole reality show is probably just part of Michael's illusion. So maybe it's staged.
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I don`t know to think about that.....it looks like acting to me from this medium..and he have no information about the person but know it`s Michael or Mickey...a very good script..
And to Hayvenhurst, this Majestic or what his name is, why is he living there? you see no renovation is going on and at the end he say, Michael is still here.....smirk....
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I don't think he's acting but it's just an opinion. I don't believe that the dead can communicate with us like that so he is wrong to me if genuine and proven wrong as Michael is alive, and if he's been asked to act then I don't understand the purpose. I was imagining if instead of La Toya it was Michael behind the "mask". :LolLolLolLol:
@MJonmind, I guess that Michael would tell us to not forget to live our lives well but he wouldn't say to give up imo.
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their kidding right ?
edit: so is it just a sort of laziness that would prompt latoya to disguise herself in this way, or could it be something else?
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It's probably good to remember that with "reality" shows there is a certain amount of scripting.
The psychic was a good actor, sort of. I think this showed that La Toya won't "let go" until the truth is revealed which I imagine will coincide with Michael returning.
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I haven't been able to watch it yet, since I don't have sound on my laptop. Very curious to watch and comment. As soon as I'm able to listen at work.
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I just finished watching the video. Latoya wants to bring attention to her new show....
I don't want to criticize or speak negatively about the Jackson family...
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HeeHEEE)) :TongueOutSmiley: spiritWho??)
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I agree with Sarahli! Look at the hand in the picture! Doesn't it look familiar????
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I agree with Sarahli! Look at the hand in the picture! Doesn't it look familiar????
+1 :icon_bounce: (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Surpris/G_04BI%7E1.GIF)
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That's acted!
Acting like you are crying isn't hard at all, especially when you now how the actors are doing just that :)
And I can not believe a psychic connects that fast with the dead and communicate that clear.
Yes, there is an energy you're dealing with at that point, but commnunicate names that fast and easy is new to me :)
As fot the other points in this video:
- She is "in disquise"
- (Just a random question: what's up with cats? is she allergic for them?)
- "His passing was an accident, but it wasn't" / as in: it looked like an accident, but was really well planned :)
- "He want to be alive, as is he is alive today, but... " huh?
- "This guy COULD be the real deal" ...
But if that isn't La toya sitting there ( as some of you above mentioned), her/his line makes sence when the psychic asks is she is like the CIA of tha family.
The person react with "Yes I put it all together, yes"
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AJ Berera, celebrity psychic medium. Website :http://www.ajbarrera.com Has a television show called From Beyond, so is quite used to cameras. If this was real and you were LaToya and this guy said to you is death was an accident and yet it wasn't, wouldn't you ask for elaboration? Love Michael taking the Mickey! :michael_jackson-1135:
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Finfin and Gorjus, I merged your topics but messed up. Gorjus started the topic first but I gave it Finfin's title! Oops...
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Hey I will check out the videos tonight.thank you so much.life with la toya isn't in my country:(and I wanted to watch just for mike but thanks for posting those links!
I think its just acting.I'm sure there are people out there who really can talk to spirits,but I don't think mike would be here in spirit.it also sounds odd for a spirit to be here four years later.its very hard for me to believe this.if you watch these programmes on tv where the physic channels a deceased person they can actually see how the person died.funny how la toya is still hurting because she doesn't know what happend to mike.then I really have no idea why she spoke to a physic!lol
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@mjonmind don't worry about it as long as you merged it so we in one group.thanks!
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That's acted!
Acting like you are crying isn't hard at all, especially when you now how the actors are doing just that :)
And I can not believe a psychic connects that fast with the dead and communicate that clear.
Yes, there is an energy you're dealing with at that point, but commnunicate names that fast and easy is new to me :)
As fot the other points in this video:
- She is "in disquise"
- (Just a random question: what's up with cats? is she allergic for them?)
- "His passing was an accident, but it wasn't" / as in: it looked like an accident, but was really well planned :)
- "He want to be alive, as is he is alive today, but... " huh?
- "This guy COULD be the real deal" ...
But if that isn't La toya sitting there ( as some of you above mentioned), her/his line makes sence when the psychic asks is she is like the CIA of tha family.
The person react with "Yes I put it all together, yes"
Oh i'm sorry I forgot 2 points:
- IF the psychic had such a strong connection with the dead MJ, you would have expect an "HEE-HEE" was much easier than a Mickey or Michael ;D
- And, when the psychic sums all his points up, (Mickey / Michael + Stong energy + Drugs + Accident or not + woman in disquise and all the other points) don't you think he could have known by then he was dealing with MJ? I think so! But that's just me..
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I agree with Sarahli! Look at the hand in the picture! Doesn't it look familiar????
Diggy, I'm not saying that it might be Michael there... just imagining him conducting such an experience. :suspect:
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Yes that's why I mentioned all those quetions.I should of been more clear---if he was really dead his spirit would of spoken to the physic that was my point sorry about that
thats providing one actually believes in that jargon...
jmo
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Yes that's why I mentioned all those quetions.I should of been more clear---if he was really dead his spirit would of spoken to the physic that was my point sorry about that
thats providing one actually believes in that jargon...
jmo
lol sorry about the confusion ;D
that pic with la toya wearing the scarf,who is the other person.the finger reminds me of dave daves fingers on larry king(and they say that dave dave was mike) :)
how does the security know mike is there?is he also a physic?(sarcasm)
Latoya says she wants to see a physic so she can move on with her life,so isn't life with latoya a form of moving on with her life?i mean hello you have a tv show after mikes death you did move on!jacksons think we dont pay attention to what they
if mike is in havenyurst howcome his at the physic reading la toya mmm?
if this guy is not acting im sure he realised that michael and drugs related to michael jackson and obviously he would of known this is someone mike knew so theres no need for a disguise or change of voice in my opinion
"he wants to be alive today" he is dead to most of the world so maybe he wants to come out of hiding.is this guy crying or what :thjajaja121:
"I want to believe his still here" "he wants to let you know his gone" so howcome his spirit came through if his gone?wouldnt it mean no contact with mike at all
if his crossed over?
if mike was really there in spirit he would of let her know what happened to him during his 'death' so she can move on (my opinion)
if mike was really dead im sure there would be more than enough tears to show his really gone and dearly missed.i think i cry more knowing that we cant see mike and he didnt even know me! :o
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I agree with Sarahli! Look at the hand in the picture! Doesn't it look familiar????
Diggy, I'm not saying that it might be Michael there... just imagining him conducting such an experience. :suspect:
Right Sarahli, Diggy and you are talking about different things, I think Diggy thought that you were saying that behind the disguise of the person on the right pic with a red scarf was Michael and not Latoya but it really is, Michael is the one on the right and Latoya the one on the left and the pics are meant to just show us the similarity of their disguises, so Diggy unfortunately that hand looks like Michael's because it belongs to him and the pic is an old one, IMO.
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I agree with Sarahli! Look at the hand in the picture! Doesn't it look familiar????
Diggy, I'm not saying that it might be Michael there... just imagining him conducting such an experience. :suspect:
Right Sarahli, Diggy and you are talking about different things, I think Diggy thought that you were saying that behind the disguise of the person on the right pic with a red scarf was Michael and not Latoya but it really is, Michael is the one on the right and Latoya the one on the left and the pics are meant to just show us the similarity of their disguises, so Diggy unfortunately that hand looks like Michael's because it belongs to him and the pic is an old one, IMO.
Oh yeah, that's true. I guess we were talking about two different things. Anyway I must add that this disguise of La Toya was very funny. I've been in many countries of the Middle East and I've never seen a woman walking on the street with such a scarf on her face! ! ! :LolLolLolLol:
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The guy at Havenhurst said that Michael "told" him LaToya would be coming there! So, he can hear Michael? And he heard tap dancing in that upstairs room. And the dog would look up to Michael's room even tho he didn't know it was Michael's. :affraid:
Now, maybe it's me....but if LaToya wanted to disguise herself, she would have worn something less revealing and hide her body/hair more and not wear MJ-style sunglasses. To me, this was acting. And what an expert voice change she had! Such a talented woman! :LolLolLolLol:
Also, someone else mentioned this...when the psychic said "it was an accident but not really an accident"......if LaToya was such a great CIA agent...wouldn't she have questioned that?!
I'm not buying it.....it was staged IMO.
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OK.... :LolLolLolLol: this is HILARIOUS! I love it....
First of all LaToya, whilst wearing a leopard print scarf over her head, says "oh by the way, does this guy have cats?" .... the comedic irony LOL!!!! I thought that was hilarious and from there it only got better. I think LaToya is brilliant.
This entire video is so great...also notice that LaToya is wearing the forum hoax colours? Orange scarf around her neck, white blouse and black trousers........the aviator sunglasses.
"His passing was an accident, but it wasn't"
"He just wants to come alive"
"Would you call yourself like the CSI in the family?"......LaToya answers in her disguised voice (lol) "yes...I put everything together" ..... just like all of the death hoax investigators! :icon_rr:
the entire psychic thing is a classic.....it was just so funny.
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And La Toya is so girly.....(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_1859.gif)
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OK.... :LolLolLolLol: this is HILARIOUS! I love it....
First of all LaToya, whilst wearing a leopard print scarf over her head, says "oh by the way, does this guy have cats?" .... the comedic irony LOL!!!! I thought that was hilarious and from there it only got better. I think LaToya is brilliant.
This entire video is so great...also notice that LaToya is wearing the forum hoax colours? Orange scarf around her neck, white blouse and black trousers........the aviator sunglasses.
"His passing was an accident, but it wasn't"
"He just wants to come alive"
"Would you call yourself like the CSI in the family?"......LaToya answers in her disguised voice (lol) "yes...I put everything together" ..... just like all of the death hoax investigators! :icon_rr:
the entire psychic thing is a classic.....it was just so funny.
Wowwww...wonderful !!! :icon_bounce:
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I'm sure people might know more than me and some of my questions will frustrate some people,but as I sit and think of mike different things go through my mind...the security that told latoya mike is in the havenyurst house,does he live in the house?or is the house his now?I find it so amazing that he can say mikes spirit is there on tv haha as if he can see the image of mike
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hey aussie does not jw believe to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord ?
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Suspicious, I think JW's believe what I do also (can be backed up thoroughly with Scripture) that those that are dead are 'soul sleeping' and know nothing until the resurrection, and that any talk of spirits being the real person are that they are only spirit beings or demons masquerading. If people die and go directly to be with Jesus at death, what would be the point or need of a resurrection if they are already in heaven having a blast. But I know this is a controversial debate, so it's only a matter of different interpretations, no biggie to me.
Just checking other opinions on this A.J. Abarrera and this person checked him out and thought he was authentic.
http://www.mkimura.com/stuff-schools-don-t-teach-you/psychicsmediums-aretheyreal
Having said what I did above, I do believe people can have ability to read other people's minds, telepathically, know hidden information psychically, hint at future events (MJ seems to be able to do these things as well). I really don't believe this Barrera knew that he was dealing with an alive person, as in MJ, and just assumed he was dead, and was reading things in Latoya's mind. Plus I believe there are spirits/demons/whatever, that can put things in people's minds--channeling is done all the time. JMO's.
And I guess tap-dancing is like riding a bike-- you never forget, so of course MJ could be doing it up in his old room. He's a master! :michael-jackson:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Uc0plr-tiU[/youtube]
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La Toya Jackson tells she feels MJ’s presence and think she’s heard him tap dancing in her home
http://www.legendarymichaeljackson.nl/news/la-toya-jackson-tells-she-feels-mjs-presence-and-think-shes-hear-him-tap-dancing-in-herr-home/
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La Toya Jackson tells she feels MJ’s presence and think she’s heard him tap dancing in her home
http://www.legendarymichaeljackson.nl/news/la-toya-jackson-tells-she-feels-mjs-presence-and-think-shes-hear-him-tap-dancing-in-herr-home/
this is very funny, if of course, I think La Toya. :th_bravo:
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@ mjonmind and suspicious, yes that is what JWs believe.
i actually just re-read my jargon comment re: psychic. i definitely don't agree or believe in them, i think their power is from a source that is ungodly. however, my comment abt it being jargon, may have sounded disrespectful to those who value psychic readings or believe they are communicating with dead loved ones. genuine "oops!" for that i apologise. i should have delivered my disinterest in psychics in a more diplomatic fashion in respect of others here.
peace x
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Some JW, info if ur interested.
What Draws People to the Occult?
THE answer to that question may depend to a large extent on where a person lives, as well as his or her religious beliefs and cultural background. In your area, what attracts people to the occult? Perhaps they are enticed by one of the following.
● Curiosity Humans are innately curious, and the occult smacks of mystery. So some wonder if a hidden power is behind the occult. Others might experiment with a Ouija board or read a horoscope to see if what it says comes true. Still others might attend a séance or consult a psychic.
● Entertainment Recent years have seen a surge in entertainment—books, movies, and computer games—based on occult themes and ancient pagan religious superstitions. Some of this entertainment also contains graphic violence and sex.
● Anxiety about tomorrow The Bible foretold: “In the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here.” (2 Timothy 3:1) Difficult times are indeed upon us, and many people are consulting occult practitioners—such as astrologers, clairvoyants, palm readers, and psychics—for guidance. “It’s one of the few businesses that is recession-proof,” said one psychic. “People don’t usually come to see you when they’re happy.” A clairvoyant in Canada stated: “All of a sudden I’m hearing from business professionals calling on their private office lines or on their cellphones in the hall whispering.” She added: “These are people who, in the past, were usually skeptical and not really comfortable consulting a psychic.”
● Physical sickness In some lands people who are seriously ill often give up on medical doctors and revert to traditional healers who use occult methods. Their sicknesses may be blamed on a curse or a spell. In order to lift the spell, friends or relatives of the ailing one may seek help from a fetishist, or an occult practitioner, who may demand a large payment.
● Desire for protection and good luck In some regions of Africa, villagers hire a “prophet” from a charismatic church to exorcise bad spirits from the community. Rituals involve drinking potions and “holy water.” Elsewhere, people consult spirit mediums in order to invoke good luck on a new house or a grave.
● Threats to children In Papua New Guinea, a mother may refuse to go outside with her newborn at night. Why? She fears that evil spirits might harm the infant. In Uganda, mothers routinely tie strings, sometimes with beads and shells, to the wrists and ankles of their babies to shield them from harm.
● Loss of a loved one British author Sir Arthur Conan Doyle lost his son, brother, brother-in-law, and a nephew in World War I. Distraught and desperate, Doyle and his wife attended séances, hoping to speak with their dead son. Today, too, many consult spirit mediums in an effort to speak with dead loved ones. In some lands, traditional religions and so-called Christian churches teach that death is the result of a malevolent act by angry spirits. Several compulsory, expensive rituals may be performed in order to ward off a chain of deaths in a community.
● Fear of the dead Beliefs regarding death and the dead have profoundly influenced humankind. Hence, in many lands people perform all kinds of rituals, including self-injury, to appease the dead or to “prove” their love for them. Among some peoples of the Pacific islands, widows or widowers are forced to wear black clothing and go into mourning for months, locked up in a house where they must refrain from eating the deceased person’s favorite foods. Individuals who practice this custom can become depressed or sick from hunger or even die.
Clearly, there are many enticements luring people into the occult. How important, then, that we understand the true source of occult teachings! To that end, let us examine the Bible, the only book that gives us the full picture.
Who Is Really Behind the Occult?
CONCERNING our Creator, the Bible says: “God is light and there is no darkness at all in union with him.” (1 John 1:5) That is especially true in a spiritual sense. So could the true God be the power behind the occult? Or is there a sinister force involved?
Foremost among occult practices are divination and spiritism, which include astrology, numerology, palmistry, and sorcery, as well as communicating with the “dead” and casting spells. These practices have a very long history, most dating back to ancient Babylon, the ruins of which lie in Iraq. (Isaiah 47:1, 12, 13) From Babylon, occult practices spread around the ancient world and became deeply entrenched in many cultures and civilizations.
Consider an event that occurred in the city of Philippi in ancient Macedonia. There, a small group of Christian ministers, which included the apostle Paul and the physician Luke, encountered a girl who had occult powers. Note how the Bible writer Luke revealed the secret source of her powers. He wrote: “A certain servant girl with a spirit, a demon of divination, met us. She used to furnish her masters with much gain by practicing the art of prediction.”—Acts 16:16-18.
Yes, this girl’s powers did not come from the true God, but from a demon, an evil spirit. Hence, Paul and his companions refused to listen to her. Perhaps you are now wondering: ‘Who are the demons? And where did they come from?’ Again, note the Bible’s answers.
Who Are the Demons?
Long before God formed humans, he created an untold number of intelligent spirit “sons of God” in heaven. (Job 38:4, 7) Like humans, they are free moral agents, and for a long time, they all remained loyal to God. But that happy situation came to an abrupt end. How so?
After God created humankind, one spirit creature began to covet something to which he was not entitled—worship. Using a serpent the way a ventriloquist might use a puppet, this wicked angel seduced the first woman, Eve, into disobeying her Creator. (Genesis 3:1-6) The Bible calls that rebellious angel “the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan.” (Revelation 12:9) Jesus described him as “a manslayer” who “did not stand fast in the truth,” adding: “When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie.”—John 8:44.
In time, other spirit “sons of the true God” joined Satan in his rebellion. (Genesis 6:1, 2) They are later referred to as “the angels that sinned” and “the angels that did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place,” or their assigned place in heaven. (2 Peter 2:4; Jude 6) They came to be called demons. (James 2:19) Moreover, they are determined to turn as many humans as possible away from true worship, as they did many Israelites in Bible times. (Deuteronomy 32:16, 17) Similarly today, as in the past, Satan and the demons cleverly employ religious lies.—2 Corinthians 11:14, 15.
Shield Yourself!
Even though wicked spirits have superhuman powers, we can, with God’s help, ‘take our stand against them’ and come off victorious. (1 Peter 5:9) In order to get that help, however, we need to learn God’s requirements and act on them. Concerning the Christians in his day, the apostle Paul wrote: “We . . . have not ceased praying for you and asking that you may be filled with the accurate knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual comprehension, in order to walk worthily of God to the end of fully pleasing him.”—Colossians 1:9, 10.
Those who gained that “accurate knowledge” included a number of people in the city of Ephesus who practiced occult arts. Note how a knowledge of the truth affected them. The Bible states: “Quite a number of those who practiced magical arts brought their books together and burned them up before everybody.” The books, incidentally, were worth “fifty thousand pieces of silver,” which was no small amount! (Acts 19:17-19) This courageous example was recorded for our benefit.—2 Timothy 3:16.
Principles That Protect
There are other things that we can do to protect ourselves from the demons. Consider the following Bible guidelines.
“Do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God.” (1 John 4:1) Some statements made by astrologers, psychics, mediums, and witch doctors may indeed be true. For example, the demonized girl in Philippi spoke the truth when she said about Paul and his companions: “These men are slaves of the Most High God, who are publishing to you the way of salvation.” (Acts 16:17) Nevertheless, Paul and his companions did not accept her into their company. Instead, Paul ordered the evil spirit to come out of her. Test religious statements by comparing them with what the Bible says.—Acts 17:11.
“Subject yourselves, therefore, to God; but oppose the Devil, and he will flee from you.” (James 4:7) The demons are God’s enemies and yours too. Do not even become curious about their dark ways. Instead, subject yourself to God by heeding his loving commandments, which are not burdensome. (1 John 5:3) For example, God said to the ancient nation of Israel: “There should not be found in you anyone who . . . employs divination, a practicer of magic or anyone who looks for omens or a sorcerer, or one who binds others with a spell or anyone who consults a spirit medium or a professional foreteller of events or anyone who inquires of the dead. For everybody doing these things is something detestable to God.” (Deuteronomy 18:10-12) God’s view has not changed.—Galatians 5:19, 20.
“There is no unlucky spell against God servants.” (Numbers 23:23) All who want to please God need not fear the demons. Indeed, those wicked spirits “shudder” before God, aware of his overwhelming power, which he will eventually use to destroy them. (James 2:19) God will “show his strength in behalf of those whose heart is complete toward him,” and he ‘will never allow the righteous one to totter.’—2 Chronicles 16:9; Psalm 55:22.
“The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all.” (Ecclesiastes 9:5) God’s Word teaches that the dead are just that—dead! They should not be feared, for they can no longer harm anyone. (Isaiah 26:14) In order to deceive people, the demons sometimes masquerade as spirits of the dead, which may explain why people find that the “spirit” of a formerly kind person may seem different from the person they knew.
“You cannot be partaking of ‘the table of God’ and the table of demons.” (1 Corinthians 10:21, 22) All who truly love God will stay away from books, movies, and computer games that are rooted in the occult or that promote occult practices and beliefs.* (see footnote) “I shall not set in front of my eyes any good-for-nothing thing,” says Psalm 101:3. What is more, occult entertainment often glorifies violence and immorality, which “lovers of God” repudiate.—Psalm 97:10.
The demons have always tried to hide their true nature from humans. But they have not fully succeeded. By means of the Bible, God has exposed them for what they really are—malicious liars and vicious enemies of mankind. What a contrast to our Godly Creator! As the following article shows, he loves us, always tells us the truth, and wants us to live happily forever.—John 3:16; 17:17.
[Footnote]
Consciences vary in sensitivity, depending on one’s religious background and spiritual maturity. The important thing is that one maintains a clean conscience before God and does not offend the consciences of others, including family members. Books and movies that one chooses to read or watch are a personal concience matter and one should not dictate the concience of others. However it is imortant to remember that “We shall all stand before the judgment seat of God,” says Romans 14:10, 12.
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Sweet, I got goosebumps and was very sad when I read this part of the article you posted:
“And the dog barks at his room, the window, every single night at the same time … the dog doesn’t even know that that’s Michael’s room, and the security didn’t know … so it’s weird.” She added, “I think quite a few people feel that.”
This was very touching and emotional.
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why sad, when its scripted / fictonal? Toy is toying
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What....in her house.....?......Michael has lived with her....or still lives there?.....
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Oh Latoya's just stringing us along; got to get attention to her show. People love ghost talk!
Funny reactions to an MJ Neverland ghost video 'someone' created. Lots of videos, some kids scream, some laugh.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAeKqmutCXw … Front once did the same thing to us!!
From 10/15/11, "Front would like to share this amazing, sweet & romantic song with lyrics with you all. Enjoy! http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/sayit " lol
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Oh Latoya's just stringing us along; got to get attention to her show. People love ghost talk!
Funny reactions to an MJ Neverland ghost video 'someone' created. Lots of videos, some kids scream, some laugh.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAeKqmutCXw … Front once did the same thing to us!!
From 10/15/11, "Front would like to share this amazing, sweet & romantic song with lyrics with you all. Enjoy! http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/sayit " lol
Thanks.......i did not remember..but now i know again :affraid:
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:LolLolLolLol: I just HAD to show my wife the Original scare video. :thjajaja121: Thanks for that, MJonmind :michael_jackson-1135:
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Oh Latoya's just stringing us along; got to get attention to her show. People love ghost talk!
Funny reactions to an MJ Neverland ghost video 'someone' created. Lots of videos, some kids scream, some laugh.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAeKqmutCXw … Front once did the same thing to us!!
From 10/15/11, "Front would like to share this amazing, sweet & romantic song with lyrics with you all. Enjoy! http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/sayit " lol
I had forgotten that face. That's scary! :LolLolLolLol:
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Some JW, info if ur interested.
What Draws People to the Occult?
THE answer to that question may depend to a large extent on where a person lives, as well as his or her religious beliefs and cultural background. In your area, what attracts people to the occult? Perhaps they are enticed by one of the following.
● Curiosity Humans are innately curious, and the occult smacks of mystery. So some wonder if a hidden power is behind the occult. Others might experiment with a Ouija board or read a horoscope to see if what it says comes true. Still others might attend a séance or consult a psychic.
● Entertainment Recent years have seen a surge in entertainment—books, movies, and computer games—based on occult themes and ancient pagan religious superstitions. Some of this entertainment also contains graphic violence and sex.
● Anxiety about tomorrow The Bible foretold: “In the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here.” (2 Timothy 3:1) Difficult times are indeed upon us, and many people are consulting occult practitioners—such as astrologers, clairvoyants, palm readers, and psychics—for guidance. “It’s one of the few businesses that is recession-proof,” said one psychic. “People don’t usually come to see you when they’re happy.” A clairvoyant in Canada stated: “All of a sudden I’m hearing from business professionals calling on their private office lines or on their cellphones in the hall whispering.” She added: “These are people who, in the past, were usually skeptical and not really comfortable consulting a psychic.”
● Physical sickness In some lands people who are seriously ill often give up on medical doctors and revert to traditional healers who use occult methods. Their sicknesses may be blamed on a curse or a spell. In order to lift the spell, friends or relatives of the ailing one may seek help from a fetishist, or an occult practitioner, who may demand a large payment.
● Desire for protection and good luck In some regions of Africa, villagers hire a “prophet” from a charismatic church to exorcise bad spirits from the community. Rituals involve drinking potions and “holy water.” Elsewhere, people consult spirit mediums in order to invoke good luck on a new house or a grave.
● Threats to children In Papua New Guinea, a mother may refuse to go outside with her newborn at night. Why? She fears that evil spirits might harm the infant. In Uganda, mothers routinely tie strings, sometimes with beads and shells, to the wrists and ankles of their babies to shield them from harm.
● Loss of a loved one British author Sir Arthur Conan Doyle lost his son, brother, brother-in-law, and a nephew in World War I. Distraught and desperate, Doyle and his wife attended séances, hoping to speak with their dead son. Today, too, many consult spirit mediums in an effort to speak with dead loved ones. In some lands, traditional religions and so-called Christian churches teach that death is the result of a malevolent act by angry spirits. Several compulsory, expensive rituals may be performed in order to ward off a chain of deaths in a community.
● Fear of the dead Beliefs regarding death and the dead have profoundly influenced humankind. Hence, in many lands people perform all kinds of rituals, including self-injury, to appease the dead or to “prove” their love for them. Among some peoples of the Pacific islands, widows or widowers are forced to wear black clothing and go into mourning for months, locked up in a house where they must refrain from eating the deceased person’s favorite foods. Individuals who practice this custom can become depressed or sick from hunger or even die.
Clearly, there are many enticements luring people into the occult. How important, then, that we understand the true source of occult teachings! To that end, let us examine the Bible, the only book that gives us the full picture.
Who Is Really Behind the Occult?
CONCERNING our Creator, the Bible says: “God is light and there is no darkness at all in union with him.” (1 John 1:5) That is especially true in a spiritual sense. So could the true God be the power behind the occult? Or is there a sinister force involved?
Foremost among occult practices are divination and spiritism, which include astrology, numerology, palmistry, and sorcery, as well as communicating with the “dead” and casting spells. These practices have a very long history, most dating back to ancient Babylon, the ruins of which lie in Iraq. (Isaiah 47:1, 12, 13) From Babylon, occult practices spread around the ancient world and became deeply entrenched in many cultures and civilizations.
Consider an event that occurred in the city of Philippi in ancient Macedonia. There, a small group of Christian ministers, which included the apostle Paul and the physician Luke, encountered a girl who had occult powers. Note how the Bible writer Luke revealed the secret source of her powers. He wrote: “A certain servant girl with a spirit, a demon of divination, met us. She used to furnish her masters with much gain by practicing the art of prediction.”—Acts 16:16-18.
Yes, this girl’s powers did not come from the true God, but from a demon, an evil spirit. Hence, Paul and his companions refused to listen to her. Perhaps you are now wondering: ‘Who are the demons? And where did they come from?’ Again, note the Bible’s answers.
Who Are the Demons?
Long before God formed humans, he created an untold number of intelligent spirit “sons of God” in heaven. (Job 38:4, 7) Like humans, they are free moral agents, and for a long time, they all remained loyal to God. But that happy situation came to an abrupt end. How so?
After God created humankind, one spirit creature began to covet something to which he was not entitled—worship. Using a serpent the way a ventriloquist might use a puppet, this wicked angel seduced the first woman, Eve, into disobeying her Creator. (Genesis 3:1-6) The Bible calls that rebellious angel “the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan.” (Revelation 12:9) Jesus described him as “a manslayer” who “did not stand fast in the truth,” adding: “When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie.”—John 8:44.
In time, other spirit “sons of the true God” joined Satan in his rebellion. (Genesis 6:1, 2) They are later referred to as “the angels that sinned” and “the angels that did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place,” or their assigned place in heaven. (2 Peter 2:4; Jude 6) They came to be called demons. (James 2:19) Moreover, they are determined to turn as many humans as possible away from true worship, as they did many Israelites in Bible times. (Deuteronomy 32:16, 17) Similarly today, as in the past, Satan and the demons cleverly employ religious lies.—2 Corinthians 11:14, 15.
Shield Yourself!
Even though wicked spirits have superhuman powers, we can, with God’s help, ‘take our stand against them’ and come off victorious. (1 Peter 5:9) In order to get that help, however, we need to learn God’s requirements and act on them. Concerning the Christians in his day, the apostle Paul wrote: “We . . . have not ceased praying for you and asking that you may be filled with the accurate knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual comprehension, in order to walk worthily of God to the end of fully pleasing him.”—Colossians 1:9, 10.
Those who gained that “accurate knowledge” included a number of people in the city of Ephesus who practiced occult arts. Note how a knowledge of the truth affected them. The Bible states: “Quite a number of those who practiced magical arts brought their books together and burned them up before everybody.” The books, incidentally, were worth “fifty thousand pieces of silver,” which was no small amount! (Acts 19:17-19) This courageous example was recorded for our benefit.—2 Timothy 3:16.
Principles That Protect
There are other things that we can do to protect ourselves from the demons. Consider the following Bible guidelines.
“Do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God.” (1 John 4:1) Some statements made by astrologers, psychics, mediums, and witch doctors may indeed be true. For example, the demonized girl in Philippi spoke the truth when she said about Paul and his companions: “These men are slaves of the Most High God, who are publishing to you the way of salvation.” (Acts 16:17) Nevertheless, Paul and his companions did not accept her into their company. Instead, Paul ordered the evil spirit to come out of her. Test religious statements by comparing them with what the Bible says.—Acts 17:11.
“Subject yourselves, therefore, to God; but oppose the Devil, and he will flee from you.” (James 4:7) The demons are God’s enemies and yours too. Do not even become curious about their dark ways. Instead, subject yourself to God by heeding his loving commandments, which are not burdensome. (1 John 5:3) For example, God said to the ancient nation of Israel: “There should not be found in you anyone who . . . employs divination, a practicer of magic or anyone who looks for omens or a sorcerer, or one who binds others with a spell or anyone who consults a spirit medium or a professional foreteller of events or anyone who inquires of the dead. For everybody doing these things is something detestable to God.” (Deuteronomy 18:10-12) God’s view has not changed.—Galatians 5:19, 20.
“There is no unlucky spell against God servants.” (Numbers 23:23) All who want to please God need not fear the demons. Indeed, those wicked spirits “shudder” before God, aware of his overwhelming power, which he will eventually use to destroy them. (James 2:19) God will “show his strength in behalf of those whose heart is complete toward him,” and he ‘will never allow the righteous one to totter.’—2 Chronicles 16:9; Psalm 55:22.
“The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all.” (Ecclesiastes 9:5) God’s Word teaches that the dead are just that—dead! They should not be feared, for they can no longer harm anyone. (Isaiah 26:14) In order to deceive people, the demons sometimes masquerade as spirits of the dead, which may explain why people find that the “spirit” of a formerly kind person may seem different from the person they knew.
“You cannot be partaking of ‘the table of God’ and the table of demons.” (1 Corinthians 10:21, 22) All who truly love God will stay away from books, movies, and computer games that are rooted in the occult or that promote occult practices and beliefs.* (see footnote) “I shall not set in front of my eyes any good-for-nothing thing,” says Psalm 101:3. What is more, occult entertainment often glorifies violence and immorality, which “lovers of God” repudiate.—Psalm 97:10.
The demons have always tried to hide their true nature from humans. But they have not fully succeeded. By means of the Bible, God has exposed them for what they really are—malicious liars and vicious enemies of mankind. What a contrast to our Godly Creator! As the following article shows, he loves us, always tells us the truth, and wants us to live happily forever.—John 3:16; 17:17.
[Footnote]
Consciences vary in sensitivity, depending on one’s religious background and spiritual maturity. The important thing is that one maintains a clean conscience before God and does not offend the consciences of others, including family members. Books and movies that one chooses to read or watch are a personal concience matter and one should not dictate the concience of others. However it is imortant to remember that “We shall all stand before the judgment seat of God,” says Romans 14:10, 12.
marking this to read more thoroughly later .
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sometimes it almost seems like they are playing to the tabloid media and those who and those who consume it . but i have to wonder sometimes where does that put us ? :-\
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Thank you Aussie :bearhug:
@ suspicious, good point
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Have you seen the new MJHoaxEvidence Video?!?
Michael Jackson is Alive and Tapping
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOEHZYhSMmg
very interesting......
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Thanks for sharing shorty...interesting yeah !! :icon_razz:
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Thanks for the link to that video @shorty. Probably a minor query....but how come Kenya, the chocolate labrador that is supposedly Prince Michael's dog is living at Hayvenhurst with security and Majestic?
Seems even MJ's animals are a part of this show.
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Thanks for the link to that video @shorty. Probably a minor query....but how come Kenya, the chocolate labrador that is supposedly Prince Michael's dog is living at Hayvenhurst with security and Majestic?
Seems even MJ's animals are a part of this show.
And La Toya´s dog too:
(http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/1530/princethepom.jpg)
:icon_lol:
*thanks to Sandra Baumgartner on FB <3
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@Mary....I'm going to have to follow that cute pup on twitter now.
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Someone on google said Paris had said on Oprah that MJ had given them the chocolate lab Kenya years ago.
Notice Latoya said Majestic was another Jackson family freeloader, not another Michael Jackson freeloader. That house is Michael’s bought for his mother.