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Title: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: MaryK on April 05, 2013, 08:23:34 PM
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-michael-jackson-aeg-20130405,0,7072157.story (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-michael-jackson-aeg-20130405,0,7072157.story)

No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules

By Jeff Gottlieb
April 5, 2013, 5:43 p.m.

A Superior Court judge ruled Friday that there will be no live television coverage of the wrongful death suit that Michael Jackson’s mother and children filed against Anschutz Entertainment Group, the entertainment giant that was promoting Jackson’s ill-fated comeback tour.

CNN and NBCUniversal Television Group had filed a motion asking that they be allowed to televise the trial, which is being held in a downtown Los Angeles courtroom.

In her ruling, Judge Yvette M. Palazuelos wrote that while the media has the right to cover public court hearings, it is up to the judge to decide whether to allow TV coverage.

Brian Panish, the attorney for Katherine Jackson, Michael Joseph Jackson Jr., Paris-Michael Katherine Jackson and Prince Michael Jackson II, declined comment.

But Panish had supported television coverage in an April 2 court filing in which he criticized AEG’s attorney for “making numerous unrelated and disparaging remarks about Michael Jackson” in a CNN interview.

AEG’s attorney, Marvin Putnam, could not be reached for comment.

Jury selection in the case began Tuesday, with potential jurors being asked if they could take off the four months the trial is expected to last. Questioning of potential jurors who pass that first test is scheduled to start April 15.

The suit alleges that AEG negligently hired and supervised Dr. Conrad Murray, who -- in an attempt to help the singer sleep -- gave him a fatal dose of the surgical anesthetic propofol.  They suit says that AEG pushed Jackson to prepare for a tour that he was not physically capable of handling.

AEG says it was Jackson’s decision to hire Murray, and that the company had recommended a British physician.

Jackson died in 2009, two weeks before his "This Is It" tour was scheduled to debut in London.

Murray was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in 2011.   
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: hesouttamylife on April 05, 2013, 08:31:21 PM
 :judge-smiley: So what have they to hide that they don’t want the world to see  :animal0017:

 :moonwalk_:   :moonwalk_:   :moonwalk_:
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: Andrea on April 05, 2013, 08:38:25 PM


No live coverage? Boo-urns!

So the public will be largely dependent on media coverage to hear what happens....
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: hesouttamylife on April 05, 2013, 08:49:34 PM
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No live coverage? Boo-urns!

So the public will be largely dependent on media coverage to hear what happens....

yeah; like Diane Dimond will give all the facts without bias and personal commentary  :Pulling_hair:
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: bec on April 06, 2013, 01:04:25 AM
Someone is going to appeal that decision.
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: curls on April 06, 2013, 02:54:42 AM
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yeah; like Diane Dimond will give all the facts without bias and personal commentary  :Pulling_hair:

Maybe that's the point - walking right into his trap, so to speak.  Maybe the general public viewing this trial is not its main aim or purpose.
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: marumjj on April 06, 2013, 04:54:13 AM
as the judge said, the media are entitled to coverage, so I hope they can appeal to the right  >:(
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: MaryK on April 06, 2013, 05:48:31 AM
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Someone is going to appeal that decision.

How many times can they appeal? Because this has already been the appeal hearing.
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on April 06, 2013, 07:11:07 AM
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No live coverage? Boo-urns!

So the public will be largely dependent on media coverage to hear what happens....

Exactly!  :Crash:

I was just reading CNN's news, which is also posted on Hoaxbook:

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Judge: No cameras in Michael Jackson death trial
By Alan Duke, CNN
April 6, 2013 -- Updated 0140 GMT (0940 HKT)

If AEG is found liable, it could mean billions for the Jacksons, based on the potential earnings of Michael Jackson had he lived.
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
CNN asks the judge to allow its camera in the trial
AEG Live argues televising trial could create a Jackson fan frenzy
Jackson lawyers argue in favor of having a camera in court
Jackson's mom and kids say AEG Live is liable for his death
Los Angeles (CNN) -- The wrongful death trial of concert promoter AEG Live filed by Michael Jackson's mother and three children will not be televised, a judge decided Friday.
CNN had requested its camera be allowed in the courtroom during the trial, but Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos issued a ruling Friday denying the request.
California law leaves the decision to the trial judge's discretion based on 19 factors to be considered. Palazuelos did not say in her ruling what factors swayed her decision.
AEG Live's lawyer argued televising the trial could create a frenzy among Jackson fans at the courthouse that could pose a threat to witnesses.
 Will Murray conviction be overturned? Cooper surprised by Murray's Santa song
Jackson lawyers argued in favor of having a camera in court, saying it would be the best way for the world to see justice done.
Without cameras, only a handful of journalists will have seats in the small courtroom in downtown Los Angeles.
The Jacksons' lawsuit accuses AEG Live of liability in Jackson's death through the negligent hiring of Dr. Conrad Murray, the physician who is serving a prison sentence after being convicted of involuntary manslaughter.
AEG Live contends Murray was never its employee, but was chosen and hired by Jackson.
If AEG Live is found liable by a jury, it could mean a multibillion dollar judgment for the Jacksons, based on the potential earnings of Michael Jackson had he lived past his 50th birthday.
Opening statements and the first witness could be heard in about two weeks in the trial that is expected to last for two to three months.
The pool of potential jurors reached 60 Friday afternoon after four days of eliminating jurors for hardship reasons. The process will continue Monday and Tuesday or until about 100 potential jurors are identified. On Wednesday, the lawyers will start the voir dire process of eliminating jurors based on cause or their jury strikes allowed under court rules.
Until then, the lawyers are studying their answers to a long questionnaire the potential jurors completed. The process is expected to continue for another week, perhaps ending around April 16 or 17.
It is unclear how soon after a jury is seated that the judge will have lawyers deliver opening statements and call the first witness. Some judges allow the jury a day or so to take care of personal business after being selected.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/05/showbiz/jackson-death-trial-camera/?hpt=en_c2

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Without cameras, only a handful of journalists will have seats in the small courtroom in downtown Los Angeles.

I wonder which journalists will be 'selected' to have seats? :suspect:

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Jackson lawyers argued in favor of having a camera in court, saying it would be the best way for the world to see justice done.

So now we can't see if justice will be done.

Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: Andrea on April 06, 2013, 08:07:31 AM


I read that live tweeting from the courtroom will be banned as well.
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: paula-c on April 06, 2013, 09:37:12 AM
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No live coverage? Boo-urns!

So the public will be largely dependent on media coverage to hear what happens....



and what to Diane Dimond says :-[
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: hesouttamylife on April 06, 2013, 09:49:51 AM
we’ve got some reporters on our side who will get us the facts regardless.  Matt Seminole is one of them.  Jen Hager is another.  I still believe before it’s all said and done, we will get some televised coverage..  Sonebody’s gonna make an offer they can’t refuse.  And we ALL know that everything surrounding this case comes down to money and ratings.
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: bec on April 06, 2013, 10:27:04 AM
Yeah, I wouldn't worry. All along MJ has made sure that if it's important, we get to see it for free.

If what goes on in this court room and this court case is important to the hoax, MJ will make it happen for us. I'm certain of that.
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: gwynned on April 06, 2013, 11:03:25 AM
The surest way to pique someone's interest in seeing something is to tell them they can't! 
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: Andrea on April 06, 2013, 11:11:29 AM


Yes, I agree bec and gwynned.  There were reports of the Jacksons wanting $40 billion from AEG (gets everyone's attention in a BIG way because that's such a staggering amount), then reports of the molestation accusations possibly being brought up during the trial, then reports of celebrity witnesses, Murray's singing on AC going viral...and now no cameras in the courtroom?  Come on.  This is all being done for people to take notice, we all want to see what happens next.
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: curls on April 06, 2013, 12:18:58 PM
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Yeah, I wouldn't worry. All along MJ has made sure that if it's important, we get to see it for free.

If what goes on in this court room and this court case is important to the hoax, MJ will make it happen for us. I'm certain of that.

Hmm, that's assuming MJ is in total control of things, in this instance in control of the judge - I'm not certain of that. I think he has had to go with the flow at times in the past four years. Hope you're right though!
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: Faithad777 on April 06, 2013, 02:00:47 PM
"AEG Live's lawyer argued televising the trial could create a frenzy among Jackson fans at the courthouse that could pose a threat to witnesses."

This sentence from the article everlasting posted could also prove that AEG KNOWS that what will come out in the trial is damaging to their case, that the witnesses who are on AEG's side have a reason to be afraid.  It also means that they know they have skeletons in their closet that they don't want to come out and if these were to come out during the trial, then they don't want Michael's fans to hear them.  They are already admitting guilt (that they didn't have Michael's health and well being at heart) in a roundabout way. 

That's how I understand the sentence, I may be completely wrong.......
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: mindseye on April 06, 2013, 02:22:36 PM
"Jackson lawyers argued in favor of having a camera in court, saying it would be the best way for the world to see justice done."

Interesting...'to see justice done'. They already appealed so that's the final decision. But I'm sure mr. masterplanner has a back up plan, possibly journalists set up, perhaps family has a journalist in place to report. :icon_question:
During the 2005 trial transcripts were used for the end of day reenactment.
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: gwynned on April 06, 2013, 04:20:53 PM
No one said they can't have reporters OUTSIDE the 'courthouse.'  For some reason I flashed on Michael returning in Moonwalker as cameras flashed all around as he approached a building. 

And why would they want full coverage of a trial where really there isn't much to say about the actual issue - who hired Murray.  Better, perhaps to witness the arrival of many stars who testify in 'secret' and the public only fed tantalizing snippets. 

Meanwhile, I'm having one of those days where it hurts to keep waiting and no one can understand but you guys so I just had to vent and now I feel better.  Thanks.!   :bearhug:
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: suspicious mind on April 06, 2013, 05:48:19 PM
so to anyone's knowledge has any jackson fan ever behaved badly toward a witness in any of these trials ?  the only thing that comes to mind for me is the thing between bj and diane diamond.
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: MJonmind on April 17, 2013, 03:26:55 AM
Well CM complained some fans were staring at him and giving him dirty looks.
http://www.tmz.com/2011/09/21/dr-conrad-murray-michael-jackson-manslaughter-case-mj-fans-warned-bailiff-judge-stares-trial-jury-selection/
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: use_your_illusion on April 17, 2013, 03:53:36 AM
Hahahahaha MJonMind...I've been staring at your gif for the past 10 mins...it's hilarious.
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: MaryK on April 17, 2013, 04:52:30 AM
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so to anyone's knowledge has any jackson fan ever behaved badly toward a witness in any of these trials ?  the only thing that comes to mind for me is the thing between bj and diane diamond.

I remember reading on Twitter that Taaj Malik attacked Mr. Phillips outside the court room during the CM trial.

Post from @Ivy on MJJCommunity:

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I just got AEG's opposition document to media coverage. In that document they mention one certain fan's actions and recent tweets

"Defendant Phillips and counsel was threatened outside Judge Pastor's courtroom and had to be escorted out of the building by Sheriffs"

"The potential attacker was later banned from Judge Pastor's courtroom."

"this same person who had to be physically restrained by Sheriffs in Murray criminal trial, was present in the April 2, 2013 hearing"

"she also made numerous ominous comments about defendants & defendants counsel including one of them "should be locked for child abuse" "

It shouldn't hard to guess who this fan is and if you can't guess her name is in the document.

The full document here - http://www.scribd.com/doc/134983249/...-Media-Request

Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: bec on April 17, 2013, 10:51:50 AM
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Yeah, I wouldn't worry. All along MJ has made sure that if it's important, we get to see it for free.

If what goes on in this court room and this court case is important to the hoax, MJ will make it happen for us. I'm certain of that.

Hmm, that's assuming MJ is in total control of things, in this instance in control of the judge - I'm not certain of that. I think he has had to go with the flow at times in the past four years. Hope you're right though!

I'm not certain he has control over the judge either but I have faith in MJ.
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: bec on April 17, 2013, 01:02:44 PM
Lol, as soon as I said the above, this just in:

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Judge: No more excuses for would-be Jackson jurorsBy LINDA DEUTSCH | Associated Press – 17 hrs ago        LOS ANGELES (AP) — A Los Angeles judge says except for medical emergencies, she won't consider any more excuses from potential jurors in the lawsuit by Michael Jackson's mother against concert promoter AEG.Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos received a flurry of last-minute notes Tuesday from people asking to
leave the case because of scheduling and financial hardships they had
not claimed earlier. She excused 10 more panelists from a pool of 87 and ordered attorneys to begin individual questioning.One man declared he disliked Jackson and his whole family and thought Katherine Jackson's lawsuit blaming AEG for the singer's death is frivolous. He was excused because his
employer wouldn't pay for his jury service. Other prospects were less
outspoken.Jury selection in the case is scheduled to continue Wednesday.
 87-10 is ?? 

LMFAO! Times like this I want to reach out and shake the entire media watching public and say COME ON!

Movie theory strengthening.
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: mjptd on April 17, 2013, 01:24:52 PM
Sorry Bec what do you mean with this 87 - 10 thing ? I don't understand... :icon_redface:
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: Jos on April 17, 2013, 01:50:50 PM
87 -10 = 77 perhaps
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: blankie on April 17, 2013, 03:27:17 PM
@ bec       Movie theory strengthening.


Yessss, agree !!!!



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Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: ShyBleuEyes on April 17, 2013, 04:06:34 PM
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No live coverage? Boo-urns!

So the public will be largely dependent on media coverage to hear what happens....

yeah; like Diane Dimond will give all the facts without bias and personal commentary  :Pulling_hair:

There is a twittion going on!...to get Diane Dimond from CNN. here's the link.


 http://twitition.com/gbp2v


Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: bec on April 17, 2013, 11:24:37 PM
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Sorry Bec what do you mean with this 87 - 10 thing ? I don't understand... :icon_redface:

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87 -10 = 77 perhaps

Yes. We were just saying on this thread that we weren't certain that the judge was under MJ's control or not and then we get this in the AP the next day. Stuff like that makes me officially crazy, right?

Now I'll say I'm pretty certain the judge is under MJ's control  :icon_cool:
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: Jos on April 18, 2013, 05:07:47 AM
@Bec, if the Judge is in, does that mean that AEG is in also (you know, movie theory)?
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on April 18, 2013, 08:17:59 AM
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@Bec, if the Judge is in, does that mean that AEG is in also (you know, movie theory)?

Judge being under Michael's control doesn't mean that Judge has to be in on it, they could very well be under somebody's control who is in touch with Michael, not everybody knows about the hoax however Michael might have key people working for him, you can call it FBI, family or whoever.
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: bec on April 18, 2013, 10:29:11 AM
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@Bec, if the Judge is in, does that mean that AEG is in also (you know, movie theory)?

Who knows? One doesn't necessarily equate the other. But reducing the potential juror pool by 17 from 104 (=87) and then dismissing 10 more (=77) incorporates some good hoaxy numbers. 17? eh... ok. But 77?? Come on. That's way too big a coincidence. Well, I think so anyway.

It's my hunch that AEG is working for MJ. I've kinda felt that way all along.

Randy Phillips said way too many hoaxy things in the immediate aftermath of 6/25/09 for me to think he's clueless.
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: curls on April 18, 2013, 10:47:27 AM
Not sure about the numbers thing bec, but I agree with you on AEG not being the bad guys as portrayed. Nothing so far has convinced me they're not just playing a part.  That being said, it certainly begs the question if they are in on it and Katherine and the kids are too, then just what is this trial meant to prove??  It's certainly not about who hired Murray!  I can see where you arrive at the movie theory!!
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: bec on April 18, 2013, 10:55:45 AM
I'm not sure either but I have to admit, arriving at 77 potential jurors is one hell of a coincidence. 

We didn't have to know about it. The pool could have been quietly reduced, or ticked off slowly, hitting 77 jurors without mention and proceeding right along (to 76, 75, etc) in the methodical way our legal system works, but no. It's a milestone recognized with the Judge sited as being solely responsible for this action, and the info injected into the media, to be printed, so that we, the media consuming public, may note the occasion. 

So I'm pretty happy to resolve this judge to the "in on it" category. 
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: suspicious mind on April 18, 2013, 11:16:01 AM
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Yeah, I wouldn't worry. All along MJ has made sure that if it's important, we get to see it for free.

If what goes on in this court room and this court case is important to the hoax, MJ will make it happen for us. I'm certain of that.

Hmm, that's assuming MJ is in total control of things, in this instance in control of the judge - I'm not certain of that. I think he has had to go with the flow at times in the past four years
. Hope you're right though!

yeah not having it all under control could put a whole new perspective on the statement " we have four years to get it right or the damage we've done is irreversible"  :just sayin'
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: MJonmind on April 18, 2013, 12:31:55 PM
Bec
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It's my hunch that AEG is working for MJ. I've kinda felt that way all along.

Randy Phillips said way too many hoaxy things in the immediate aftermath of 6/25/09 for me to think he's clueless.
Agree.  Curls, it seemed to me TS said it wasn’t only a movie but a sting as well, and he hinted the target was big as TPTB.
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: RK on April 19, 2013, 02:03:29 AM
Looks like we may get to hear from the elusive Dr  Thome  Thome.

Updated list of possible witnesses for Katherine.....
Ramone Bain, Michael Bearden, Michael Bush, Lou Ferigno, Kathy Hilton, Arnold Klein, tom Mesereau, Sharon Osbourne and Thome Thome among others.
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/128739-Updated-Full-Initial-List-of-Possible-Witnesses-for-Katherine-Jackson-and-AEG-Live/page24?p=3809780&viewfull=1#post3809780 (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/128739-Updated-Full-Initial-List-of-Possible-Witnesses-for-Katherine-Jackson-and-AEG-Live/page24?p=3809780&viewfull=1#post3809780)
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: curls on April 19, 2013, 02:49:49 AM
^^^ Yes RK, I just saw that about Tohme!

(I've been following several threads on MJJC regarding this trial - Ivy there is keeping a very comprehensive record of all its updates, but I know she is understandably protective of her work [I think she is paying for the court documents] so I've been hesitant in posting anything here from there.  I guess posting links, like you just did RK is ok though, agreed?)
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: curls on April 19, 2013, 02:56:39 AM
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.......  Curls, it seemed to me TS said it wasn’t only a movie but a sting as well, and he hinted the target was big as TPTB.

Yes, MJonmind, I remember that of course, but I also remember TS leading us along other dead end paths, so I bear that in mind too!
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: Shrimp on April 19, 2013, 07:20:10 AM
I don't know if this has already been said, but Jermaine is on the witness list as Jermaine Jackson instead of Jacksun. I guess this Jacksun thing wasn't so official after all...
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: Andrea on April 19, 2013, 08:44:44 AM

Ooooh I hope we hear from Tohme Tohme!

I'm on the fence about Randy Phillips, he has made those seemingly obvious hoaxy quotes.  It would appear that the Jacksons are pointing the finger at AEG as the "bad guy" but whether they are an actual baddie or represent all the baddies in the world...or if it's all part of an elaborate movie script, or perhaps a combination of all.


Shrimp:
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I don't know if this has already been said, but Jermaine is on the witness list as Jermaine Jackson instead of Jacksun. I guess this Jacksun thing wasn't so official after all...


Your observation could actually support the movie theory as well because he said he would still use "Jackson" for professional reasons (movie credits?, trial not totally legit?), assuming that he did in fact change his name to Jacksun.
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: MJonmind on April 19, 2013, 01:54:05 PM
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.......  Curls, it seemed to me TS said it wasn’t only a movie but a sting as well, and he hinted the target was big as TPTB.

Yes, MJonmind, I remember that of course, but I also remember TS leading us along other dead end paths, so I bear that in mind too!
:icon_lol: Fair enough!
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on April 21, 2013, 07:18:46 AM
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@Bec, if the Judge is in, does that mean that AEG is in also (you know, movie theory)?

This is something I have recently come to believe recently, that AEG are in. But JMO. Time will tell.

Exciting!!

Meanwhile the SUN reports the trial will probably last 4 months... Interesting, considering some think 4 yrs is up in June. (Not me)
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: paula-c on April 21, 2013, 10:16:11 AM
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Ooooh I hope we hear from Tohme Tohme!



This would be one of the testimonies that to my more i'd like to hear
Title: Re: No live coverage of Michael Jackson-AEG trial, judge rules
Post by: suspicious mind on April 24, 2013, 08:24:34 AM
couple of things that seem to be missing are what have me curious . one no miko on the witness list ( he is listed as michael's assistant in tii credits i am fairly sure) and why has katherine not ask for the rest of that footage that murray couldn't get for his trial?
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