Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: Loveunited on January 30, 2013, 03:13:05 PM
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Joseph is the guest tonight on Piers Morgan's program. 9 pm EST for. Those in US.
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Joseph is the guest tonight on Piers Morgan's program. 9 pm EST for. Those in US.
Let's see what he has to say!!.
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Very interesting...Waiying for !!!! :icon_razz: :icon_e_wink:
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so deiter was with joe.
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Just a snippet:
Joe, "They treated him (MJ) like Howard Hughes. Family couldn't get to him, like they should've."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mjPOucIKsc
(Does anyone know how to put up the videos now--it's always saying invalid link for me?)
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Yep, he was...I am annoyed, I missed most of it....I saw about the last 10 minutes or so. He had a couple of audio clips of Michael talking about business deals. He wanted to buy Marvel and have all the rights to it.
It reminded me of the video we have seen with Michael and Stan Lee touring the studios. Apparently, Deiter and Michael had everything in place when the second round of allegations hit....it all stopped. Piers said
Disney then went on to purchase Marvel and do much of the things Michael had talked about. Joe was the ever-present promoter at the end too......went on to promote a documentary about himself, it's coming out soon.
The broad smiles Joe and Deiter had to each other at the end while Piers was wrapping up made me sort of cringe......it was the same smile I remember seeing on Joe after June 25th.
Anyways...wish I could fill in more.....if I catch a video re-play, I'll try to post it.
Blessings
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A couple things stuck out to me about the interview.
Piers showed the clip of Paris crying at the Memorial and asked Joseph what his reaction to that was. Joe was kinda smiling or smirking and said "well Michael always said she was a piece of work". Lol, what kind of reaction is that?
Joseph had very positive things to say about Michael, I'm sure someone will upload the full thing on youtube soon then we can post it here. The other thing I wanted to mention was Joseph said if everyone were like Michael, there would be no wars.
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The trailer for Joe's doco....
http://jacksondocumentary.com/Jackson_Documentary/Trailer.html (http://jacksondocumentary.com/Jackson_Documentary/Trailer.html)
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Joe deserves to be honored, and to get an Oscar!
The best part is, we can see glimpses of MJ through him.
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This is the FULL interview......open either of the links :beerchug:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I-OyPEuzH0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I-OyPEuzH0&feature=player_detailpage
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Couple of interesting points...
Joe: Michael tried to make contact with me just before he died. He was asking for me and knew that he could help him...
Joe: "They" are trying to make Katherine and I get a divorce.. They are the people still surrounding Katherine and the kids...
Joe seemed really pissed off at the end because he didn't get to plug his documentary....take note how he couldn't believe the interview had finished and he didn't get to promote it...He looks at Dieter in disbelief...
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Is it just me, or does anyone else think that the voice recording of Michael speaking at the end of this Piers interview does not sound like Michael? (starting at about 19:18) sounds too nasally or something compared to all the other interviews/recordings etc when I have heard Michael speak....
In fact, that whole recording of MJ is odd.....his voice kind of reminded me of the voice in the "drugged recording" which Dr M supposedly recorded on his iPhone and was played during his trial...except without the drugged up sound. The "did it my way" (reminded me of Harvey Levin singing that song ages ago on TMZ) plus the 1st line in that song "and now the end is near and so I face the final curtain".....plus the bit where MJ says "we don't wanna die knowing that we didn't accomplish our goals".... who is "we" :suspect: :animal0017:
I agree Joseph does a great job....and when he talks about Michael wanting to build a children's hospital reminded me of the piece of writing Front posted only today on HoaxBook.
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The trailer for Joe's doco....
http://jacksondocumentary.com/Jackson_Documentary/Trailer.html (http://jacksondocumentary.com/Jackson_Documentary/Trailer.html)
I just watched this trailer....looks like it may be intriguing....also notice a "countdown clock" ( a hoax tradition for insiders...false and real :icon_lol: ) to the release date - which, from my calculations, is April 25th 2013 (1400 days from June 25th 2009)
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A couple things stuck out to me about the interview.
Piers showed the clip of Paris crying at the Memorial and asked Joseph what his reaction to that was. Joe was kinda smiling or smirking and said "well Michael always said she was a piece of work". Lol, what kind of reaction is that?
Joseph had very positive things to say about Michael, I'm sure someone will upload the full thing on youtube soon then we can post it here. The other thing I wanted to mention was Joseph said if everyone were like Michael, there would be no wars.
.......Yes Joes reaction when asked about Paris is what stood out to me,it was not what i expected at all.... :icon_e_surprised:....ps i dont think that recording sounds like Michael eithier xx
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Adi:
Is it just me, or does anyone else think that the voice recording of Michael speaking at the end of this Piers interview does not sound like Michael? (starting at about 19:18) sounds too nasally or something compared to all the other interviews/recordings etc when I have heard Michael speak....
I thought he sounded different as well in that recording. Perhaps it was more his natural speaking voice, the lower register, as opposed to his "public" speaking voice. It's also not the greatest recording, sound quality-wise.
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Adi:
Is it just me, or does anyone else think that the voice recording of Michael speaking at the end of this Piers interview does not sound like Michael? (starting at about 19:18) sounds too nasally or something compared to all the other interviews/recordings etc when I have heard Michael speak....
I thought he sounded different as well in that recording. Perhaps it was more his natural speaking voice, the lower register, as opposed to his "public" speaking voice. It's also not the greatest recording, sound quality-wise.
That was supposed to be Michael at the end :icon_e_confused: I thought it was someone else. Need to take another listen.
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um i can see the interviewer having notes for the interview, but is it common for the people who are being interviewed to have them? i have never noticed this before.
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I know we talked about how or why a fan would call Joe in Vegas to let him know about 6/25. During this interview when Joe mentions that Michael tried to get in touch with him before 6/25 but couldn't, I find this to be a contradiction to say the least. A fan can reach Joe, but Michael (or Michael's bodyguards) can't reach him??? That's all I'm going to say about that...
When asked about the THIS IS IT shows, Joe says THE SHOWS WERE VERY IMPORTANT FOR MICHAEL, HE WAS GOING TO TAKE THAT MONEY AND BUILD A CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL. This exact subject only came up during the trial with the recording that Murray had made of Michael saying these words. But for 3 1/2 years now, all the interviews that were done by other family members, no one said those words before. They would say something like, MICHAEL WAS VERY EXCITED, HE WAS WORKING VERY HARD, HE HAD A FIVE YEAR PLAN, THIS IS IT BUT THIS IS NOT IT and so on... But none of the family members interviewed mentioned a children's hospital before...
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A couple things stuck out to me about the interview.
Piers showed the clip of Paris crying at the Memorial and asked Joseph what his reaction to that was. Joe was kinda smiling or smirking and said "well Michael always said she was a piece of work". Lol, what kind of reaction is that?
Joseph had very positive things to say about Michael, I'm sure someone will upload the full thing on youtube soon then we can post it here. The other thing I wanted to mention was Joseph said if everyone were like Michael, there would be no wars.
Exactly. A grandfather smirks at his granddaughter crying on stage after her father/his son dies. Nice guy. :WTF:
OR Is he giving a nod to her excellent and convincing performance and provide a clue by saying Paris is a piece of (the) work. In other words, Michael has always said she would be a part of the hoax. As is Joe, of course. :thjajaja121:
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Piece of work:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=piece%20of%20work
1. piece of work
Someone who -- although often interesting -- is difficult to get along with on an every day basis. They often make simple things overly complex, or argue points ad infinitum.
Can you drive by my house this evening on your way to work?
Sure, I'll drive by. Do you want me to stop and pick you up when I'm driving by?
Of course I do. You're a real piece of work, aren't you?
2. piece of work
Unaware of one's foolishness. Originates from "What a Piece of Work is Man" monologue from Hamlet. More precisely an
ironic reflection of how little most men achieve despite being endowed
with relatively enormous powers to act and reason. Generally used as a
sarcastic "compliment."My boss can't operate the photocopier without the assistance of half the admin staff. He's a real piece of work!
3. piece of work
A person whose stupidity and ignorance never fail to amaze you.dad: how could you end up with a $10,000 credit card bill?
me: let me think, I go to strip clubs every night...
dad: (shaking his head) you're a real piece of work.
4. piece of work
a person who is both crazed and bizarre, yet charming at the same time
When my friend calls Shakespeare a hack trying to look like a good writer, I call her a piece of work
A real character, a unique individual.ShaElaiza: I doubt it, Hana F! I think the challenge themes kinda intrigued her, that's all.
Hana Fedora: I think there's more to it..I sincerely do. You're a piece of work Sha. You're my winner in your own competition.
6. piece of work
I'm not sure what it means. My boss says it all the time.
1) He says it about attractive women.
2) He says it about a retarded guy wearing a neon yellow reflective vest and riding a tricycle on the sidewalk.1) Wooo, look at her. She's a piece of work.
2) Look at that guy. He's a piece of work isn't he?
7. piece of work
Someone that is married to an idiotic idea, to the point of being obtuseRobert and Mitchell on DOB's Braves baseball blog are convinced that every
game the Braves lose if because of Bobby Cox. Man those guys are a real
piece of work.
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The trailer for Joe's doco....
http://jacksondocumentary.com/Jackson_Documentary/Trailer.html (http://jacksondocumentary.com/Jackson_Documentary/Trailer.html)
I just watched this trailer....looks like it may be intriguing....also notice a "countdown clock" ( a hoax tradition for insiders...false and real :icon_lol: ) to the release date - which, from my calculations, is April 25th 2013 (1400 days from June 25th 2009)
Sure does look interesting. First thing I noticed was the use of Trent Reznor/ NIN song "Hurt"...Johny Cash's version.... my fav. This version was posted on the Front thread when we were discussing Nine Inch Nails there back in the day. What are the odds of that song being used in the doco out of all the other songs out there to choose from? :icon_e_surprised:
When Joe says that a fan called him about Michael being taken away in the ambulance, I think that fan was Sharon Sydney if memory serves me right.
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Piece of work:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=piece%20of%20work
1. piece of work
Someone who -- although often interesting -- is difficult to get along with on an every day basis. They often make simple things overly complex, or argue points ad infinitum.
Can you drive by my house this evening on your way to work?
Sure, I'll drive by. Do you want me to stop and pick you up when I'm driving by?
Of course I do. You're a real piece of work, aren't you?
2. piece of work
Unaware of one's foolishness. Originates from "What a Piece of Work is Man" monologue from Hamlet. More precisely an
ironic reflection of how little most men achieve despite being endowed
with relatively enormous powers to act and reason. Generally used as a
sarcastic "compliment."My boss can't operate the photocopier without the assistance of half the admin staff. He's a real piece of work!
3. piece of work
A person whose stupidity and ignorance never fail to amaze you.dad: how could you end up with a $10,000 credit card bill?
me: let me think, I go to strip clubs every night...
dad: (shaking his head) you're a real piece of work.
4. piece of work
a person who is both crazed and bizarre, yet charming at the same time
When my friend calls Shakespeare a hack trying to look like a good writer, I call her a piece of work
A real character, a unique individual.ShaElaiza: I doubt it, Hana F! I think the challenge themes kinda intrigued her, that's all.
Hana Fedora: I think there's more to it..I sincerely do. You're a piece of work Sha. You're my winner in your own competition.
6. piece of work
I'm not sure what it means. My boss says it all the time.
1) He says it about attractive women.
2) He says it about a retarded guy wearing a neon yellow reflective vest and riding a tricycle on the sidewalk.1) Wooo, look at her. She's a piece of work.
2) Look at that guy. He's a piece of work isn't he?
7. piece of work
Someone that is married to an idiotic idea, to the point of being obtuseRobert and Mitchell on DOB's Braves baseball blog are convinced that every
game the Braves lose if because of Bobby Cox. Man those guys are a real
piece of work.
I agree bec, that was certainly an inappropriate choice of phrasing to use for your own grandchild on national t.v. as certainly Joe was well aware of the large viewing audience since he said from jump that he wanted to be seen all over the world in this interview. But of course that was because he was promoting his own ish even though there were time constraints that cut his self promoting a bit short.
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Bec, I totally took it as #5 you listed—“A real character, a unique individual.” That’s how I usually perceive the word used. And THAT she sure is, that we’ve seen! I take it as Joe complimenting her.
Michael’s voice in the tapes do seem off to me too, but then again he has spoken in a variety of tones—actor that he is. Seth Riggs said his voice had a huge natural range, but he chose to speak in the higher register.
In The Architect trailer, who is it that says, “I thought he staged his own death"?
Architect:
1. designer, planner, draughtsman, master builder Employ an architect to make sure the plans comply with regulations.
2. creator, father, shaper, engineer, author, maker, designer, founder, deviser, planner, inventor, contriver, originator, prime mover, instigator, initiator the country's chief architect of economic reform
But could he have helped MJ with any of the other "contriving" as well?
When the Jackson's were having their big feud in the summer 2012, I thought it strange that TMZ hinted that it must be Joe Jackson behind it all, but he was way over in Las Vegas and seemingly not involved. Remember?
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Joe may mean #5 on bec's post as MJonmind mentioned. He may also be hinting at #1, Someone who -- although often interesting -- is difficult to get along with on an every day basis. They often make simple things overly complex, or argue points ad infinitum.
When I see Paris crying at MJ's memorial and giving that speech, my first response would be that she loves her father very much, she misses him, she is very close to him, but I would not respond the way Joe did. I think what Joe may be implying is that she is acting on that stage, he doesn't say anything about how hard it is for Paris to lose her father, but all he says is "she is a piece of work..."
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I took it a little differently since he followed it up with it’s harder to raise girls than boys; she’s a good girl, but you have to work with her a little bit too. What does that mean? Maybe it’s just me and my history of having a bit of difficulty trying to love Joe after Michael was brought to tears talking about being abused by him.
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Maybe it’s just me and my history of having a bit of difficulty trying to love Joe after Michael was brought to tears talking about being abused by him.
It's not just you who feels this way about Joe, hes. Paris looks to be very bright, strong and someone who is a protector looking out for her brothers and anyone else in the family that she loves. I also think she is very much like Michael, in that she is not a pushover, has her own mind and speaks her mind. May be that's what Joe means.
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The trailer for Joe's doco....
http://jacksondocumentary.com/Jackson_Documentary/Trailer.html (http://jacksondocumentary.com/Jackson_Documentary/Trailer.html)
I just watched this trailer....looks like it may be intriguing....also notice a "countdown clock" ( a hoax tradition for insiders...false and real :icon_lol: ) to the release date - which, from my calculations, is April 25th 2013 (1400 days from June 25th 2009)
Sure does look interesting. First thing I noticed was the use of Trent Reznor/ NIN song "Hurt"...Johny Cash's version.... my fav. This version was posted on the Front thread when we were discussing Nine Inch Nails there back in the day. What are the odds of that song being used in the doco out of all the other songs out there to choose from? :icon_e_surprised:
When Joe says that a fan called him about Michael being taken away in the ambulance, I think that fan was Sharon Sydney if memory serves me right.
Oh yep - I had forgotten about that!
I think this doco may hold quite a few interesting nuggets. It certainly has my interest. There is the guy who says "that son of a b*tch, because I thought he had staged his own death" then straight to "it's not over" ....
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I think Paris has stronger personality than Prince has and Joe was probably referring to that when he said Paris is a piece of work, but at the same time I can't discard that Joe was referring to her as a main piece of this hoax, when I ever listen to Joe I always remember Michael's song "Price of Fame" and the lyrics: "Father never lies my father never lies" , I automatically remember when Larry King interviewed Joe and asked him: where is Michael's body?? and Joe answered: I don't know, he was probably referring to he didn't know where exactly was Michael hidden, and the most important thing of this interview was when he said: THE SHOWS WERE VERY IMPORTANT FOR MICHAEL, HE WAS GOING TO TAKE THAT MONEY AND BUILD A CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL, so that's why I have the gut feeling that when Joe talks he always says the truth and we should listen to him.
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I wonder if Joe has anything to do with this: http://www.michaelschildrenshospital.com/ (http://www.michaelschildrenshospital.com/)
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Just a snippet:
Joe, "They treated him (MJ) like Howard Hughes. Family couldn't get to him, like they should've."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mjPOucIKsc
(Does anyone know how to put up the videos now--it's always saying invalid link for me?)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4I-OyPEuzH0[/youtube] [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XXtXLNpd0aM[/youtube]
Did Howard Hughes Fake His Own Death?
Howard Hughes, the famous pilot, industrialist, and billionaire who once broke aviation speed records with planes like his now famous "Spruce Goose," reportedly didn't die as he claimed he had in 1976. The billionaire aircraft Tycoon is certainly no stranger to controversy, but the latest claim by Mark Musick in his latest book no doubt will raise many questions as he says the late billionaire who died in 2009 at the age of 93 years old, or if he had been born when Howard Hughes had been, 104 years of age.
Nik McLelland, who died in 2009 is the subject of Musick's latest book, "Boxes: The Secret Life of Howard Hughes" wherein he uses evidence he has gathered over the course of the past few years to determine once and for all that Hughes faked his own death in 1976 using instead a body double who became the reclusive long haired Hughes we all know from his later life. Musick is hosting a presentation later today to present to skeptics and believers his discovery and convince them that the real Howard Hughes lived long after his reported death and even married while under a surname.
Those familiar with Howard Hughes will certainly be no stranger to the controversy surrounding his death and his subsequent estate. In 1976 a gas station attendant named Melvin Dummar achieved national notoriety when he came forward with a hand written will he claimed to belong to Hughes. Dummar claimed to have seen the old man on the side of the road and decided to come forward and even take him to a hotel in Las Vegas. The man explained after he reached the hotel that he was indeed the reclusive billionaire and wrote him a will in which he left $156 million to the gas station attendant who had helped him one lonely night. Of course this story was highly controversial and eventually ended in Dummar being labeled an opportunist and a swindler looking to cash in on the death of a billionaire whom he had never met.
Later another woman, Terry Moore, came forward claiming to have been married to Hughes in 1984 while the two were on a yacht in 1949. The two had never divorced, and Moore's bestselling novel "Beauty and the Billionaire received national attention for several years afterward. The woman eventually received an unknown amount from Howard Hughes' estate.
The long list of litigations that followed Mr. Hughes' death are no doubt motivation according to Musick's narrative for why Mr. Hughes would have wanted to get away from his life filled with airplanes, hotels, and dollar signs. Of course it's understandable why Mr. Hughes would have wanted to desire a simple life at times. But was he actually motivated enough to outlive his own legacy in isolation? And furthermore, could even a man of Howard Hughes' stature have somehow found a way to live to be 104 years old? It's certainly not a world record, but it would be incredibly rare.
http://www.unexplainable.net/simply-unexplainable/did-howard-hughes-fake-his-own-death.php :icon_eek: :suspect:
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Good 'ole Joseph...Glad to see he's doing well after his little mild stroke incident.
You know what I love about Papa Joe? Love him or hate him, he is consistent! :icon_cool:
Curious that he was with Weisner... :ghsdf:
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I also think she is very much like Michael, in that she is not a pushover, has her own mind and speaks her mind. May be that's what Joe means.
I agree, probably meant she's strong willed... another definition - A remarkable person, achievement, or product: "He's a very tough piece of work" (Ted Koppel).
For some reason I remember reading MJ mention Howard Hughes... nevermind. :icon_geek: idk but there is another movie called The Hoax with Richard Gere.
In what would cause a fantastic media frenzy, Clifford Irving sells his bogus biography of Howard Hughes to a premiere publishing house in the early 1970s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hoax
"Never let the truth get in the way of good story"
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speaking of story, I found something about MJ's interest in HH....
"On a previous visit, my dad had helped him, and he picked out books on Howard Hughes, dictionaries and first edition children's books." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nancy-bass/the-day-i-met-michael-jac_b_225954.html
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I think Joseph mentioning Howard Hughes (more than once) was deliberate. I found an old post of mine about what Michael said about Howard Hughes.
The following is an excerpt from Rabbi Shmuley's book, in the chapter called "The Master of Mystery":
Rabbi Shmuley: So what is it about the hidden which makes it outlast the revealed? What is it about holding something back that people want it suddenly?
MJ: I just, I love, I do love the power of mystery, I really do. I think it's very powerful.
RS: Is it spiritual? What is it?
MJ: It's spiritual, it's, it's people conjure up all these ideas, people create it themselves. They conjure up all these ideas in their head about what's going on. I mean they used to say, you know, Howard Hughes is up there and he owns the hotel but he stays on that floor, he doesn't come down. He's in the dark, he's in the corner in the bed with long nails and hair to here and he's hooked to an IV. So the brain would just go crazy conjuring up all kinds of crazy stories, and I love that. I love Howard Hughes 'cause he played this big thing. I mean, to me he's like one of my masters. But I don't know, this is the first time I've ever said this Shmuley, I love Howard, he's a genius.
RS: Because what? Because he knew the power of mystery?
MJ: How to play people, yeah. He knew how to make the public interested. P.T. Barnum was pretty good at it hmself.
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I also think she is very much like Michael, in that she is not a pushover, has her own mind and speaks her mind. May be that's what Joe means.
I agree, probably meant she's strong willed... another definition - A remarkable person, achievement, or product: "He's a very tough piece of work" (Ted Koppel).
For some reason I remember reading MJ mention Howard Hughes... nevermind. :icon_geek: idk but there is another movie called The Hoax with Richard Gere.
In what would cause a fantastic media frenzy, Clifford Irving sells his bogus biography of Howard Hughes to a premiere publishing house in the early 1970s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hoax
"Never let the truth get in the way of good story"
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speaking of story, I found something about MJ's interest in HH....
"On a previous visit, my dad had helped him, and he picked out books on Howard Hughes, dictionaries and first edition children's books." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nancy-bass/the-day-i-met-michael-jac_b_225954.html
I saw that movie "The Hoax" a few years ago - it was quite good and somewhat based on real events. Really interesting how Joseph said how "they" treated Michael like HH and in light of what B.S the media is willing to buy and then spread, and how far the author took the hoax in that movie, it is quite a telling statement by Joseph.....
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I think Joseph mentioning Howard Hughes (more than once) was deliberate. I found an old post of mine about what Michael said about Howard Hughes.
MJ: It's spiritual, it's, it's people conjure up all these ideas, people create it themselves. They conjure up all these ideas in their head about what's going on. I mean they used to say, you know, Howard Hughes is up there and he owns the hotel but he stays on that floor, he doesn't come down. He's in the dark, he's in the corner in the bed with long nails and hair to here and he's hooked to an IV. So the brain would just go crazy conjuring up all kinds of crazy stories, and I love that. I love Howard Hughes 'cause he played this big thing. I mean, to me he's like one of my masters. But I don't know, this is the first time I've ever said this Shmuley, I love Howard, he's a genius.
RS: Because what? Because he knew the power of mystery?
MJ: How to play people, yeah. He knew how to make the public interested. P.T. Barnum was pretty good at it hmself.
That's it! Thanks Andrea, it was probably your post I had read. It was bugging me :icon_mrgreen:
I've only read little bits of Shmuley's book at the bookstore. Definitely deliberate and he made this comparison back in 2009 too. I think media was comparing MJ to HH back in 2007 as well.
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i thought joe said that michael said paris was a peice of work
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i thought joe said that michael said paris was a peice of work
yes and present tense too... "well Paris is....well even Michael says she's a piece of work, because most girls are hard to raise" :suspect:
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I think Joseph mentioning Howard Hughes (more than once) was deliberate. I found an old post of mine about what Michael said about Howard Hughes.
The following is an excerpt from Rabbi Shmuley's book, in the chapter called "The Master of Mystery":
Rabbi Shmuley: So what is it about the hidden which makes it outlast the revealed? What is it about holding something back that people want it suddenly?
MJ: I just, I love, I do love the power of mystery, I really do. I think it's very powerful.
RS: Is it spiritual? What is it?
MJ: It's spiritual, it's, it's people conjure up all these ideas, people create it themselves. They conjure up all these ideas in their head about what's going on. I mean they used to say, you know, Howard Hughes is up there and he owns the hotel but he stays on that floor, he doesn't come down. He's in the dark, he's in the corner in the bed with long nails and hair to here and he's hooked to an IV. So the brain would just go crazy conjuring up all kinds of crazy stories, and I love that. I love Howard Hughes 'cause he played this big thing. I mean, to me he's like one of my masters. But I don't know, this is the first time I've ever said this Shmuley, I love Howard, he's a genius.
RS: Because what? Because he knew the power of mystery?
MJ: How to play people, yeah. He knew how to make the public interested. P.T. Barnum was pretty good at it hmself.
I've always felt this about puts the whole MJ hoax in a nutshell!!
I find it interesting to see both names in the CNN titles. Why...?
“A rare interview with Joe Jackson.” “Joseph Jackson is Michael’s father.”
Mindseye, I saw that movie The Hoax, good parallels to this one. And the lovely story about MJ visiting her bookstore (read before too), I noted her ending…
But 7 years later, I now have kids and I read them fairy tales. And as we all know, fairy tales can also have a dark side. Even Peter Pan said, "To die will be an awfully big adventure."
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Slight detour, but its bugging me. WHY was Dieter on with Joe? I get that he was there for himself to promote something and they didn't get to it (in mumblings at the end while Piers is wrapping up, Joe is talking with Dieter as tho he can't believe that it happened that way, and I'm sure I hear the word Bible being uttered.) So we had Katherine on with Livingston Strong, and Joe with Dieter. ????? Why?
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Hello everyone,
Howard Hughes is really a interesting Person there are so many similarity between Michael and Howard Hughes. To Name a few
burn accident, weight-loss, addiction, Reports about his Death and he wasn't and so on. You should read about him on Wikipedia.
It is too much to post. Here is the Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Hughes
I did find it interesting that they played the Song by Johnny Cash. Did you know that Johnny Cash has a Song called
"Jackson" (about the City), "Ain't no Grave" and "Man in Black". Michael has a Song "Man in Black" too, it was recently added to BMI.
The Lyrics to "Ain't no Grave" and "Man in Black" are very interesting. When this wasn't done on purpose to add Johnny Cash to the
Trailer than I will eat my Broom. I have often heard that Michael would buy a lot of CD's to be up to date in this Matter.
Ain't no Grave (very hoaxy)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5S7yBTPEGg
Man in Black
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXRmJyIyJbM
Much Peace and Love to everyone.
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I think Joseph mentioning Howard Hughes (more than once) was deliberate. I found an old post of mine about what Michael said about Howard Hughes.
MJ: It's spiritual, it's, it's people conjure up all these ideas, people create it themselves. They conjure up all these ideas in their head about what's going on. I mean they used to say, you know, Howard Hughes is up there and he owns the hotel but he stays on that floor, he doesn't come down. He's in the dark, he's in the corner in the bed with long nails and hair to here and he's hooked to an IV. So the brain would just go crazy conjuring up all kinds of crazy stories, and I love that. I love Howard Hughes 'cause he played this big thing. I mean, to me he's like one of my masters. But I don't know, this is the first time I've ever said this Shmuley, I love Howard, he's a genius.
RS: Because what? Because he knew the power of mystery?
MJ: How to play people, yeah. He knew how to make the public interested. P.T. Barnum was pretty good at it hmself.
That's it! Thanks Andrea, it was probably your post I had read. It was bugging me :icon_mrgreen:
I've only read little bits of Shmuley's book at the bookstore. Definitely deliberate and he made this comparison back in 2009 too. I think media was comparing MJ to HH back in 2007 as well.
It's a good read, I've been meaning to read it again actually. The reason I bought the book was that Michael wanted these thoughts out there, Shmuley said MJ held the tape recorder to his lips to make sure everything he said was captured. Shmuley has his own thoughts on things, naturally, but it's Michael's words that are important. There was a tv special on a few years ago where they had audio of these recordings and an interview with Shmuley, I'm sure it's on youtube if you want to listen again instead of buying the book although I don't think it has everything that was said like the book does.
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Joe has official website http://www.jwjackson.com LOL check out the leading pic with Piers: he is giving Piers the finger with a broad smile on his face! :thjajaja121:
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Is it just me, or does anyone else think that the voice recording of Michael speaking at the end of this Piers interview does not sound like Michael? (starting at about 19:18) sounds too nasally or something compared to all the other interviews/recordings etc when I have heard Michael speak....
In fact, that whole recording of MJ is odd.....his voice kind of reminded me of the voice in the "drugged recording" which Dr M supposedly recorded on his iPhone and was played during his trial...except without the drugged up sound. The "did it my way" (reminded me of Harvey Levin singing that song ages ago on TMZ) plus the 1st line in that song "and now the end is near and so I face the final curtain".....plus the bit where MJ says "we don't wanna die knowing that we didn't accomplish our goals".... who is "we" :suspect: :animal0017:
I agree Joseph does a great job....and when he talks about Michael wanting to build a children's hospital reminded me of the piece of writing Front posted only today on HoaxBook.
Funny - after my post above was made ^^^^ Paris tweeted:
@ParisJackson
frank sinatra<3
Frank Sinatra of course sang this song (as well as Elvis)
I have a screen shot - but I can never figure out how post a screen shot here as I save them into a WORD document.
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LOL, where were you when MJ died
"Gaaaaaarrrryyyyaaaahhh, Los Vegas" Pffft!
He he, then the fan calls, Mr Jackson, somethings wrong...
So Michael is dying and mean ol Katherine doesn't tell her husband... He he. I always loved this account. It was good to see it again :icon_e_wink:
@ snoopy.. meh. I dunno about that stroke. Seems like a new MJ story daily to keep TMZ and others busy and Jackson name in news...
Seen todays TMZ, which they took down before I could Twt or post it. MJs personal Doctor gets Sued. "He tried to bang me in his office" was the second headline...
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@Aussie - that pause was priceless. Certainly Joe would know like the back of his hand where he was when he received the call that his son had died; or at least one would think :smiley-vault-misc-150:
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@Sweetangel, I listened to Johnny Cash's both songs, "Man in Black" gave me goosebumps, the lyrics and his feelings reflect what/how Michael feels about the injustices in this world. Johnny Cash is singing that song in 1971, we not only still have the same problems, injustices still happening now, but today it is MUCH, MUCH WORSE...
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LOL, where were you when MJ died
"Gaaaaaarrrryyyyaaaahhh, Los Vegas" Pffft!
He he, then the fan calls, Mr Jackson, somethings wrong...
@Aussie - that pause was priceless. Certainly Joe would know like the back of his hand where he was when he received the call that his son had died; or at least one would think :smiley-vault-misc-150:
Ya, it was like in Joe's head he was thinking, "Wait, what's my official story on this?" LOL, that pause/slip-up was perfect.
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What’s your opinion regarding this statement Joe made: "Michael's paid out a lot of money; it was something like 22 million dollars to keep this thing hushed down". :icon_e_confused: IMO, that’s too much information that could be interpreted the wrong way.
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What’s your opinion regarding this statement Joe made: "Michael's paid out a lot of money; it was something like 22 million dollars to keep this thing hushed down". :icon_e_confused: IMO, that’s too much information that could be interpreted the wrong way.
Before Joe made that statement, when Piers asked him about the court case and scandal, Joe said - "Well, you know, there was a reason why that happened. They were trying to take control over Michael’s life." - That hints at a conspiracy, probably the same conspiracy that Michael hinted at, that there were people out there who wanted to destroy him. Joe also said that Michael was a big kid himself, that he loved kids so much and wanted to give them things they didn't have and that he wasn't concerned about children being around Michael because he knew Michael. I think it upsets Joe that Michael had to pay out the money (through insurance, because he was wrongly advised to) and the impression that action left on people.
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Andrea,
Ya, it was like in Joe's head he was thinking, "Wait, what's my official story on this?" LOL, that pause/slip-up was perfect.
:icon_lol:
Adi, interesting! I found this about the song and Frank Sinatra:
http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=8040
Paul Anka discovered this song while visiting France, and re-wrote the lyrics as "My Way" when he returned to New York. Anka says it was 3 a.m. on a rainy night when the words came to him. Anka, who was a very popular singer, pitched the song to Frank Sinatra, who recorded it on December 30, 1968. Anka's lyrics changed the meaning to be about a man looking back fondly on a life he lived on his own terms, and Sinatra's version became one of his signature songs.
This became Frank Sinatra's signature song, but he couldn't stand it, saying he "loathed" the song. In his later years, he described the song as "a Paul Anka pop hit which became a kind of national anthem." In a 2000 interview with the BBC show Hardtalk, Sinatra's daughter Tina said, "He always thought that song was self-serving and self-indulgent. He didn't like it. That song stuck and he couldn't get it off his shoe."
Loveunited, thanks for the Joe link. He’s only giving Pierce the pointer finger, not the middle one. :icon_e_smile: BTW, I don’t think this has been posted here either about Joe and Tatiana.
http://www.jwjackson.com/2012/09/28/bad25/
Sweetangel, loved your post about Johnny Cash! Always enjoyed his music, and message.
Here’s him singing ‘Hurt’ (by Nine Inch Nails), and the lyrics: http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/johnnycash/hurt.html
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o22eIJDtKho[/youtube]
I think they put it in the trailer on purpose too! So you don’t have to eat your broom! :icon_lol:
(http://www.animateit.net/data/media/185/broomswp.gif)
From your link on Howard Hughes about ‘burns and drugs’--I think you're on to something about that connection with MJ!
And note the orange juice by his bedside! :affraid:
Hughes was involved in a near-fatal aircraft accident on July 7, 1946, while piloting the experimental U.S. Army Air Force reconnaissance aircraft, the XF-11, over Los Angeles…
When the XF-11 finally came to a halt after destroying three houses, the fuel tanks exploded, setting fire to the aircraft and a nearby home at 808 North Whittier Drive, owned by Lt Col. Charles E. Meyer.[28] Hughes managed to pull himself out of the flaming wreckage but lay beside the aircraft until he was rescued by Marine Master Sergeant William L. Durkin, who happened to be in the area visiting friends. Hughes sustained significant injuries in the crash, including a crushed collar bone, multiple cracked ribs,[29] crushed chest with collapsed left lung, shifting his heart to the right side of the chest cavity, and numerous third-degree burns. An oft-told story said that Hughes sent a check to the Marine weekly for the remainder of his life as a sign of gratitude. However, Durkin's daughter denied that he took any money for the rescue.[30]
Despite his physical injuries, Hughes was proud that his mind was still working. As he lay in his hospital bed, he decided that he did not like the bed's design. He called in plant engineers to design a "tailor-made" bed, equipped with hot and cold running water, built in six sections, and operated by 30 electric motors, with push-button adjustments.[31] The hospital bed was designed by Hughes specifically to alleviate the pain caused by moving with severe burn injuries. Despite the fact that he never had the chance to use the bed that he designed, Hughes's bed served as a prototype for the modern hospital bed in common usage today.[32] Hughes's recovery was considered by his doctors to be almost miraculous. Hughes, however, believed that neither miracle nor modern medicine contributed to his recovery. Instead he vigorously believed that the natural life-giving properties of fresh squeezed orange juice (Hughes would only drink orange juice that had been squeezed before his eyes) were responsible for his rapid recovery.[32]
Many attribute his long-term addiction to opiates to his use of codeine[33] as a painkiller during his convalescence. However, Hughes did not suffer from addiction, but untreated IP (Intractable Pain) and pseudoaddiction (A drug-seeking behavior that simulates true addiction in patients whose pain is not being properly treated).[33] The trademark mustache he wore afterward was used to hide a scar on his upper lip resulting from the accident.[34]
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elvis was said to have been facinated with hughes also.
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sorry out of place here but the thread was locked.
if it was a situation where michael could use one middle name for business and one personal wouldn't that be a known alias and would that not also be included on the death certificate? :-\
something else that i wonder about ( this is a real crazy one) could someone adopt someone and they change their name . ( i know where i live they can have the opportunity to change their name as i have family who have done it and their siblings gave it consideration). just wondering off again , forgive me.
by the way how do you look up these death certificates anyway?
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Considering that its thought that Howard Hughes faked his death and lived another 25 yrs after, me thinks that's the connection
https://www.youtube.com/embed/KTtD3Edtyzo
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Considering that its thought that Howard Hughes faked his death and lived another 25 yrs after, me thinks that's the connection too
https://www.youtube.com/embed/KTtD3Edtyzo
Interesting story in the video! Thanks!
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umm considering the h h idea, can't forget about the way he likes to take the inspiration from the past and put his own fantastic twist on it . :icon_e_wink:
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Ann's vids always make me smile :icon_e_biggrin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu9LbEBOQoM
[youtube] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu9LbEBOQoM[/youtube]
Believing that Michael Jackson is still alive is SWEET
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Thanks Finfin! I'll have to check out her other videos. (Internet and snacking...(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/chocolate-smiley.gif?1292867569) )
Pierce Morgan says that he interviewed MJ as well, and here it is--love it!:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gp9mALQ2KTQ[/youtube]
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beautiful interview - thanks for posting. I hate to hear Michael cry… :icon_e_sad:
RISE ABOVE IT & BE STRONG AND BE DETERMINED…BE DEFIANT
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Thanks Finfin! I'll have to check out her other videos. (Internet and snacking...(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/chocolate-smiley.gif?1292867569) )
Pierce Morgan says that he interviewed MJ as well, and here it is--love it!:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gp9mALQ2KTQ[/youtube]
Curious what he said about We are the World concert. He seemed to imply that it was used as a US propaganda tool because they would not include those born outside the US to participate.
Maybe it's me, but I now listen and watch Michael with different eyes and ears. And so I have to ask, were those real tears, or was Michael playing the victim at that moment for his own reasons. After all he was the one to teach Paris to cry on cue. I don't mean to suggest that Michael did not suffer, only that as an astute observer of human nature, he used every situation he could to reach out and touch, as he said, every demographic, by 'any means necessary.' It's even clearer now that Piers is IN on it and may have been for quite some time.
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Thanks finfin, Ann's video made me smile too.
And I love to hear Michael's voice in the interview you posted MJonmind. He shares his thoughts with passion, emotion and so much love. Thanks for posting and yumm ..love to have some chocolat too! Love that smiley :icon_lol:
Interesting posts about Howard Hughes connections !
LOVE
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Hey there :)
Indeed, Ann video is lovely ;)
I can't seem to stop wondering why wasn't Joe so sure where he was exactly when he first heard, from that fan, that his son died...Gary or Las Vegas...? hmm.... just wondering. :confused:
I'm not all into numerology and all that stuff, but still, I had some things going on related to numerology in my own life, and I thought...why not calculate Michael's destiny number... (his birth date) - turns out it's 6. Then, took his death date... 6.
This whole 6 thing could be both creepy and interesting at the same time. I don't mean to get all odd and mystic about it, but considering that adding up the numbers in the year 2013 equals a 6, who knows... maybe that's the YEAR! :p
Just dreamin ' ....
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Hey there :)
Indeed, Ann video is lovely ;)
I can't seem to stop wondering why wasn't Joe so sure where he was exactly when he first heard, from that fan, that his son died...Gary or Las Vegas...? hmm.... just wondering. :confused:
I'm not all into numerology and all that stuff, but still, I had some things going on related to numerology in my own life, and I thought...why not calculate Michael's destiny number... (his birth date) - turns out it's 6. Then, took his death date... 6.
This whole 6 thing could be both creepy and interesting at the same time. I don't mean to get all odd and mystic about it, but considering that adding up the numbers in the year 2013 equals a 6, who knows... maybe that's the YEAR! :p
Just dreamin ' ....
6 --> 2013 is interesting indeed :) So, if you go on calculating, the date 06-06-2013 --> 6 could be interesting. Ok, I promised myself not to get temped by predicting possible dates, so I'll just wait n keep watchin' ..
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you're totally right, Everlasting_loveMJ :) :P We just have to keep watching! Personally, just like you, I don't wanna fall into that numerology "trap", but we can't deny the coincidence :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile
Now... I don't know about 06.06.2013 ... ' cause it would be 3 of 6's and that just doesn't sound like a day that MJ would choose to return :p Maybe, if we find a day, where, adding up the number would result in - the number 6, like 03.06.2013 :p
But geez, what do I know ::)
We have to dig a lil more into other kind of evidence...maybe.. numerology is a tricky thing...could get our minds off the real evidence out there....
:moonwalk_:
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There were a few more interesting points that Joe Jackson said!
1.At 6:47-6:52 Joe say: "Paris is er even Michael says she's a piece of work"
Present tense!
2. At 10:36-10:40: Joe says "Make sure he had the right type of help"
Could mean a lot of things but Michael always said "I do good business"!
3.At 12:01-12:03 Joe says: " Michael was a big kid himself"
4. At 2:44 -2:47 Joe Says:" I had to be tough ........ they respected the old and did not do DRRUUGGGS"
at this point it sounds that he wants to make that point about DRUGS!? Could Joe be telling us something!
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Just remembered one more when Joe was asked where he was when he heard Michael had died ! It sounds to me that Joe was going to say" iwas in GGGGARRYYY Indiana (Gary Indiana) then he said Las Vegas ! I'm sure he was trying to tell us something!
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you're totally right, Everlasting_loveMJ :) :P We just have to keep watching! Personally, just like you, I don't wanna fall into that numerology "trap", but we can't deny the coincidence :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile
Now... I don't know about 06.06.2013 ... ' cause it would be 3 of 6's and that just doesn't sound like a day that MJ would choose to return :p Maybe, if we find a day, where, adding up the number would result in - the number 6, like 03.06.2013 :p
But geez, what do I know ::)
We have to dig a lil more into other kind of evidence...maybe.. numerology is a tricky thing...could get our minds off the real evidence out there....
:moonwalk_:
You're right, Girl_In_the_Mirror, I think the date I used as an example would not be a proper date to choose. There are quite some dates which would result in number 6 :) and yes, let our minds focus on real evidence/truth.
I like your poem on your sig btw :)
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Thanks, everlastinglove_MJ.
I wrote it 2 days ago ... the day I decided it was high time I joined the forum :)
I listened to a radio interview with Wayne Dyer, motivational speaker and self-help author, who knew Mike personally ... and when I heard his words "This was a transcendent being who had not only enormous talent, but a heart as big as the sky", I felt that there were no better words to describe him... so I just felt that inspiration to write my own thoughts about Michael.[writing poems is not something new... I enjoy doing that :) ]
:moonwalk_: :-* :bearhug:
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Just remembered one more when Joe was asked where he was when he heard Michael had died ! It sounds to me that Joe was going to say" iwas in GGGGARRYYY Indiana (Gary Indiana) then he said Las Vegas ! I'm sure he was trying to tell us something!
yeah, that's what i was pointing out yesterday also... how can his own father not be sure of where he was at the time he heard his son died?
Jeezus! :Pulling_hair: either he's trying to tell us something, or this whole hoax thing is kinda complex in itself, so... being forced to lie for almost 4 years now, he makes confusions like this one.
second, we must take into consideration the present tense... like jadz29858 said...
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Thanks, everlastinglove_MJ.
I wrote it 2 days ago ... the day I decided it was high time I joined the forum :)
I listened to a radio interview with Wayne Dyer, motivational speaker and self-help author, who knew Mike personally ... and when I heard his words "This was a transcendent being who had not only enormous talent, but a heart as big as the sky", I felt that there were no better words to describe him... so I just felt that inspiration to write my own thoughts about Michael.[writing poems is not something new... I enjoy doing that :) ]
:moonwalk_: :-* :bearhug:
Do you have a link to that radio interview? Interesting he said MJ was a "transcendent being", and Front recently wrote about 3 levels of transcendence.
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Thanks, everlastinglove_MJ.
I wrote it 2 days ago ... the day I decided it was high time I joined the forum :)
I listened to a radio interview with Wayne Dyer, motivational speaker and self-help author, who knew Mike personally ... and when I heard his words "This was a transcendent being who had not only enormous talent, but a heart as big as the sky", I felt that there were no better words to describe him... so I just felt that inspiration to write my own thoughts about Michael.[writing poems is not something new... I enjoy doing that :) ]
:moonwalk_: :-* :bearhug:
Do you have a link to that radio interview? Interesting he said MJ was a "transcendent being", and Front recently wrote about 3 levels of transcendence.
Wow, MJonMind... :th_bravo:you did know how to read between the lines!
It didn't cross my mind to...think about the interpretation of the sentence... God! :(
I found on a site/forum, I thought it was here on this forum, when I found it, but I didn't pay attention to the link :(
I'll look it up on the internet again, and as soon as I find the link, I'll post it here, ok?
You made me really curious... so I won't have peace until I found the link :computer-losy-smiley:
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and here it is, as I promised... :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQaEzbweDdg
it pains me that something happened with the sound on my office computer - at work, the speaker, everything is off...so I won't be able to re-listen to the interview... :omg: and try to interpret it again, and read between the lines...
but pls, do that for me :p and tell me what are your conclusions ...and I mean, everyone :p
Thanks in advance!
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'Transcendent Being' is not a description that someone like Wayne Dyer would make lightly and would/should in my mind be used only be attributed to someone who is Enlightened.
I searched for definitions of the word 'transcendent'
Beyond human understanding and the material world
Mysterious
Divine
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Thanks, everlastinglove_MJ.
I wrote it 2 days ago ... the day I decided it was high time I joined the forum :)
I listened to a radio interview with Wayne Dyer, motivational speaker and self-help author, who knew Mike personally ... and when I heard his words "This was a transcendent being who had not only enormous talent, but a heart as big as the sky", I felt that there were no better words to describe him... so I just felt that inspiration to write my own thoughts about Michael.[writing poems is not something new... I enjoy doing that :) ]
:moonwalk_: :-* :bearhug:
Listen to the words of the song Dr. Dyer’s daughter sings at the end. OMG - when I first heard this I cried for days..
Do you have a link to that radio interview? Interesting he said MJ was a "transcendent being", and Front recently wrote about 3 levels of transcendence.
Wow, MJonMind... :th_bravo:you did know how to read between the lines!
It didn't cross my mind to...think about the interpretation of the sentence... God! :(
I found on a site/forum, I thought it was here on this forum, when I found it, but I didn't pay attention to the link :(
I'll look it up on the internet again, and as soon as I find the link, I'll post it here, ok?
You made me really curious... so I won't have peace until I found the link :computer-losy-smiley:
Don’t you just love Dr. Dyer…. He gives me a warm fuzzy feeling. And yes, I have that video saved to my faves. He loved Michael and respected him and said so many good things about him. He would have been a wonderful character witness at the trials because he denounced that Michael was anyhing but a pure, gentle, kind, loving, spiritual human being who loved children with all his heart.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyCZ4x0cmmg[/youtube]
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'Transcendent Being' is not a description that someone like Wayne Dyer would make lightly and would/should in my mind be used only be attributed to someone who is Enlightened.
I searched for definitions of the word 'transcendent'
Beyond human understanding and the material world
Mysterious
Divine
I finally re-listened to the interview.
Wow, great job, gwynned. Dr. Wayne Dyer indeed does not seem to be the kind of person (considering his profession) who would just say complex words, just to impress people. He clearly knows Mike and knows what he's talking about. It's what I said on my earlier posts.... gotta read between the lines (which I forgot to do, but you guys were awesome and did that for me, too :P )
So, what did that tell us? The whole...Beyond human understanding and the material world /Mysterious /Divine :omg: :D :)
PS: guys, if you want to, i can post the rest of my MJ poem here, or elsewhere on the forum...
it's not a work of art, but it's from the bottom of my heart :)
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Thanks, everlastinglove_MJ.
I wrote it 2 days ago ... the day I decided it was high time I joined the forum :)
I listened to a radio interview with Wayne Dyer, motivational speaker and self-help author, who knew Mike personally ... and when I heard his words "This was a transcendent being who had not only enormous talent, but a heart as big as the sky", I felt that there were no better words to describe him... so I just felt that inspiration to write my own thoughts about Michael.[writing poems is not something new... I enjoy doing that :) ]
:moonwalk_: :-* :bearhug:
Listen to the words of the song Dr. Dyer’s daughter sings at the end. OMG - when I first heard this I cried for days..
Do you have a link to that radio interview? Interesting he said MJ was a "transcendent being", and Front recently wrote about 3 levels of transcendence.
Wow, MJonMind... :th_bravo:you did know how to read between the lines!
It didn't cross my mind to...think about the interpretation of the sentence... God! :(
I found on a site/forum, I thought it was here on this forum, when I found it, but I didn't pay attention to the link :(
I'll look it up on the internet again, and as soon as I find the link, I'll post it here, ok?
You made me really curious... so I won't have peace until I found the link :computer-losy-smiley:
Don’t you just love Dr. Dyer…. He gives me a warm fuzzy feeling. And yes, I have that video saved to my faves. He loved Michael and respected him and said so many good things about him. He would have been a wonderful character witness at the trials because he denounced that Michael was anyhing but a pure, gentle, kind, loving, spiritual human being who loved children with all his heart.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyCZ4x0cmmg[/youtube]
:bearhug:
He would have been a wonderful character witness at the trials because he denounced that Michael was anyhing but a pure, gentle, kind, loving, spiritual human being who loved children with all his heart.
I so love what you just wrote... he would have made a wonderful witness ...
but what's done is done... :(
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'Transcendent Being' is not a description that someone like Wayne Dyer would make lightly and would/should in my mind be used only be attributed to someone who is Enlightened.
I searched for definitions of the word 'transcendent'
Beyond human understanding and the material world
Mysterious
Divine
One more thing, gwynned ... I searched an Explicative Dictionary of Romanian Language (my mother language), and here's what I've found on "transcendent", beside what you found. I'll translate right now.
Something which can be found beyond any possible experience, unavailable to the knowledge based on experience, crossing the limits of reality.
Beyond ordinary intelligence, individual things, humanity. ---> but this is, practically, what you said, but in other words :p
(Mathematics) Something/someone? which/who uses differential and integral calculus.
♦ (On some numbers - algebra) Which cannot be the radix of a rational coefficient polynom.
(On equations - algebra) - which cannot be written under the form of a polynom which equals zero.
Well, on a more funny note, I feel that we're all in an equation whose polynom cannot/will not equal zero! :) :moonwalk_:
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Girl_In_the_Mirror, thanks for the lovely testimony of Wayne Dyer! Michael transcendent...mmm...makes logical sense!
Michael uses numbers his own way --Michamatics. :Michael_Jackson_smiley_by_red
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Girl_In_the_Mirror, thanks for the lovely testimony of Wayne Dyer! Michael transcendent...mmm...makes logical sense!
Michael uses numbers his own way --Michamatics. :Michael_Jackson_smiley_by_red
:LolLolLolLol: Michamatics :)) That's right, MJonmind! We'll have to stick around and wait for the results of the equation ;) which, will not equal zero :p
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Girl in the Mirror, great to have you have enjoyed your posts.
You DO love your numbers don't you? :icon_razz:
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Girl in the Mirror, great to have you have enjoyed your posts.
You DO love your numbers don't you? :icon_razz:
I do, I do :)) i'm joking, of course.
Now I know I have been a little too into numerology lately, but like I said in a recent post, I am not usually into that. It just dawned on me that Mike's birth number is 6, then I said..why not calculate his death number... turned out to be also 6... I have no idea if there's a connection, but...who knows :p
Thanks Australian MJ BeLIEver, and thanks to everyone for being such a nice team! :bearhug: