Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: mindseye on November 11, 2012, 06:35:32 PM
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MJ's family used him for money, reveals new book
http://in.news.yahoo.com/mjs-family-used-him-money-reveals-book-113112515.html
New York, November 11 (ANI): An explosive new biography has revealed how Michael Jackson's family used the King of Pop for money.
Journalist Randall Sullivan's shocking new book, "Untouchable: The Strange Life and Tragic Death of Michael Jackson," out this week, exposes MJ's terror of kin and friends, New York Post reported.
In one instance in 2001, two tribute concerts were planned at Madison Square Garden for Jackson's 30th anniversary in music.
And the Jackson family demanded 250,000 dollars each to attend, even those who would just be there to watch the show.
When Michael's brother Jermaine learned that his brother would be making as much as 10 million dollars from the two shows, he convinced his parents that Michael should pay the three of them another 500,000 dollars apiece.
Jermaine and his father Joe drew up a contract and, with mother Katherine in tow, chased Michael around California to try to get him to sign.
To escape from them Michael took refuge for several days at the house of his friend Marc Schaffel, co-producer of the event.
After hiding out from his family for several days, Michael stopped at the Neverland Ranch with his kids to pick up a few items before the trip to New York. Almost as soon as he arrived, his family turned up at the gate.
Michael tried to have them sent away, the book reports, but they claimed that his mother needed to use the restroom.
But as soon as Joe and Jermaine were through the gate, they drove to the main house and pushed their way inside.
"They literally ransacked the place" searching for Michael to get him to sign the contracts.
The singer, meanwhile, "retreated with the kids to a hiding place concealed behind a secret door at the back of his bedroom closet."
In tears, he called Schaffel and cried, "You see what they do to me? Do you understand . . . why I hide from them?"
His family weren't the only ones whose love was for sale. Jackson's "good friend" Marlon Brando, whom the singer took acting lessons from for years, charged him 1 million dollars for his rambling video tribute - an awful investment, it turned out, since the Madison Square Garden crowd wound up booing Brando's nonsensical ramblings. (ANI)
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:icon_rolleyes:
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Family comes first.....
just because it's in print, doesn't mean it's true.........
I have a very hard time believing this. The Jacksons are an iconic
family with all the same troubles of any family. However, these trash stories....
I will only believe if Michael tells them to me personally. That's not going to happen......
because they are crap media attention from whoever needs a buck.
Well, I don't want to be crass, but we all know what rhymes with, "buck".
I guess the Jacksons were, "bucked" the moment stardom came their way.
I am sorry for the pain Michael, sorry for the sacrifice your family's pride has had to
endure over the years. It's not fair, it's not right...the leeches that sucked the life out of you
need to be put right. I hope and pray the light is on the way......go get them Michael.
It's all I can give, all I can offer...my support, my love to your family.
Family comes first.
Blessings Always
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdUZa6YLj3Y&feature=endscreen[/youtube]
just something michael talked about in a telephone conversation about his dad and money
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Don't worry wishy.....the revelation of the hoax when Michael BAM's will show all these f'qers up as what they really are....lying scumbag basement dwelling bullsh*t artists (and that is being kind to them)
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I'm sure all his fans are just weeping face down on their beds at the portrayed image of MJ crying in a closet.
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Randall Sullivan's book...... not worth the sacrifice of the trees that made the paper........not even fit to wipe one's bottom with.
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don't any of you think this glenda sounds a little like karen faye?
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don't any of you think this glenda sounds a little like karen faye?
you could be right Suspicious...the voices look simular.
i have always found it very odd,that those tapes where leaked anyway,...why would you leak this information, i guess its not MJ's choice, so maybe its "Glenda", if its "Glenda" than she's not a really good friend isn't she?
It could also be someone who can immitate MJ's voice made this tapes, to back up theyre story's about MJ being used by his own Family, i don't buy this story and its Gossip ( Trash) ......unless like Wishingstar said earlier we hear the story to be true from Michael's own mouth.
L.O.V.E
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Glenda and her family were friends of Michael's through I think around a decade, her husband Sam who was 11 years her Junior approximately started getting suspicious thinking something was going on between Glenda and Michael due to the calls being through out the day, he recorded them without Her or Michael knowing, in around 2005 Her son.. I think his name is Jason sold the recordings to the media without their permission.
I searched it up earlier because you never know if it's a fake or not and this is a website I found http://rhythmofthetide.com/
(http://i.imgur.com/y2g3q.jpg)
also found this interesting it's off thread topic but it's a conversation apparently with Michael and Sam
S: Well, you are. Maybe you should die.
MJ: Maybe I should die?
S: In the media
MJ: What?
S: Maybe you should die in the media?
MJ: (Laughs uncomfortably) Naw.
S: Imitates being an announcer “(See or the)…?…Michael Jackson.” (Then they’ll knock themselves out on TV getting you to die in a video.) Imitates being an announcer again [We (i) a surprising time of him on tape (i) Michael Jackson’s ghost. Hidden behind a curtain… And running from Elvis (i)]
MJ: (laughs awkwardly) It’s going to be the British.
(Also if it's not Michael, then someone has been stalking him pretty good to know a lot about the shows, his videos, music and even life, there is things in there that no one but the man himself would know)
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Utter rubbish! Randall Sullivan is a hypocrite if he thinks MJ's family used him for money. Disgusting.
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You look as puzzled,dissappointed,upset and disgusted as i feel.....but do you believe it?we have heard similar stories over the years yet michael always never said a bad word about his family...dont know what to make of it.It would sicken me to learn its all true :icon_cry:
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Glenda and her family were friends of Michael's through I think around a decade, her husband Sam who was 11 years her Junior approximately started getting suspicious thinking something was going on between Glenda and Michael due to the calls being through out the day, he recorded them without Her or Michael knowing, in around 2005 Her son.. I think his name is Jason sold the recordings to the media without their permission.
I searched it up earlier because you never know if it's a fake or not and this is a website I found http://rhythmofthetide.com/
(http://i.imgur.com/y2g3q.jpg)
also found this interesting it's off thread topic but it's a conversation apparently with Michael and Sam
S: Well, you are. Maybe you should die.
MJ: Maybe I should die?
S: In the media
MJ: What?
S: Maybe you should die in the media?
MJ: (Laughs uncomfortably) Naw.
S: Imitates being an announcer “(See or the)…?…Michael Jackson.” (Then they’ll knock themselves out on TV getting you to die in a video.) Imitates being an announcer again [We (i) a surprising time of him on tape (i) Michael Jackson’s ghost. Hidden behind a curtain… And running from Elvis (i)]
MJ: (laughs awkwardly) It’s going to be the British.
(Also if it's not Michael, then someone has been stalking him pretty good to know a lot about the shows, his videos, music and even life, there is things in there that no one but the man himself would know)
so these surfaced in 2005 , is that correct?
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Glenda and her family were friends of Michael's through I think around a decade, her husband Sam who was 11 years her Junior approximately started getting suspicious thinking something was going on between Glenda and Michael due to the calls being through out the day, he recorded them without Her or Michael knowing, in around 2005 Her son.. I think his name is Jason sold the recordings to the media without their permission.
I searched it up earlier because you never know if it's a fake or not and this is a website I found http://rhythmofthetide.com/
(http://i.imgur.com/y2g3q.jpg)
also found this interesting it's off thread topic but it's a conversation apparently with Michael and Sam
S: Well, you are. Maybe you should die.
MJ: Maybe I should die?
S: In the media
MJ: What?
S: Maybe you should die in the media?
MJ: (Laughs uncomfortably) Naw.
S: Imitates being an announcer “(See or the)…?…Michael Jackson.” (Then they’ll knock themselves out on TV getting you to die in a video.) Imitates being an announcer again [We (i) a surprising time of him on tape (i) Michael Jackson’s ghost. Hidden behind a curtain… And running from Elvis (i)]
MJ: (laughs awkwardly) It’s going to be the British.
(Also if it's not Michael, then someone has been stalking him pretty good to know a lot about the shows, his videos, music and even life, there is things in there that no one but the man himself would know)
so these surfaced in 2005 , is that correct?
Apparently yes, around that time.. this is what is said on the one website... I use this one because of all the information being in one place rather than snipets here and there(I got the name of the son wrong as shown below)
These are the audio and transcripts made of tape recordings of Michael Jackson speaking on the telephone to the Stein family from 1990-1992. Michael had been contacted by Glenda’s son Damion Stein sometime around 1984 when he was a kid and Michael had written a message back to the Stein family and a friendship had developed from there. Damion claims that Michael’s phone calls to his family were taped out of jealousy, because Michael had begun spending a lot of time speaking to his mother, Glenda, at all hours of the day, and her husband Sam was apparently becoming suspicious that they might be having an affair. The tapes were sold in 2005 to gossip news site Hansnews.com, the TMZ of their day, seemingly by Damion Stein. It is not known whether Michael knew about the recordings, but he has never denied them and by all accounts they seem authentic.
The Stein family are: Sam and Glenda Stein, their sons Damion and Jason and daughter Megan.
from www.hansnews.com
Michael Jackson Innocent!
David Hans Predicted It
David Hans was RIGHT!!!
8 hours of secret audio tape recordings prove it!
The media is spinning over the accusations in the Michael Jackson trial. America's King of Pop, known around the world for his generosity and dedication to helping those in need, is once again being brought to trial over outrageous charges of molestation. Hans News has the exclusive content that shows that this gentle music giant is the victim of manipulation and deceit. Despite all his hard efforts and contributions, this loving father is ridiculed on a daily basis by news and media. This content is a private conversation that will break anyone's previous thoughts of wrong doings
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdUZa6YLj3Y&feature=endscreen[/youtube]
just something michael talked about in a telephone conversation about his dad and money
Maybe something is wrong with my audible ears because that doesn’t really sound like Michael to me. :icon_e_confused: Not saying I know what Michael sounds like on the phone, but the voice just doesn’t sound like him to me.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdUZa6YLj3Y&feature=endscreen[/youtube]
just something michael talked about in a telephone conversation about his dad and money
Maybe something is wrong with my audible ears because that doesn’t really sound like Michael to me. :icon_e_confused: Not saying I know what Michael sounds like on the phone, but the voice just doesn’t sound like him to me.
100% NOT Michael Jackson's voice, the voice is similar to that PPPYT.
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you know it is hard to say because families can be in pretty rotten shape sometimes , but if someone was planning michael's distruction wouldn't dragging his family down give them a bit of an advantage if they tried to speak out or take some action of his part?
on the other hand like i said families can be pretty rotten sometimes , jealousy and manipulation can cause a whole score of problems.
so hard to from a distance what the truth is when it is sometimes hard to know what the truth is when you are square in the middle of it. :Pulling_hair:
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdUZa6YLj3Y&feature=endscreen[/youtube]
just something michael talked about in a telephone conversation about his dad and money
Maybe something is wrong with my audible ears because that doesn’t really sound like Michael to me. :icon_e_confused: Not saying I know what Michael sounds like on the phone, but the voice just doesn’t sound like him to me.
100% NOT Michael Jackson's voice, the voice is similar to that PPPYT.
Funny, first thing I was thinking about was "P-jr" when I heard this Glenda :)
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Randall Sullivan's book...... not worth the sacrifice of the trees that made the paper........not even fit to wipe one's bottom with.
:thjajaja121: :thjajaja121: :thjajaja121: That was hilarious
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Randall Sullivan's book...... not worth the sacrifice of the trees that made the paper........not even fit to wipe one's bottom with.
Great words !!! (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Reflexion/doh%21-45.gif)
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I'll try to explain why it sounds possible to me: Jermain always used to emphasize that "Michael is part of Jackson 5"; he meant MJ would not be MJ if it weren't for JAckson5= MJ owes them his success plus to parents for life because MJ would not become iconic MJ if it weren't for Joe and Katherine. They believed that MJ HAD TO pay to all of them.
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I'll try to explain why it sounds possible to me: Jermain always used to emphasize that "Michael is part of Jackson 5"; he meant MJ would not be MJ if it weren't for JAckson5= MJ owes them his success plus to parents for life because MJ would not become iconic MJ if it weren't for Joe and Katherine. They believed that MJ HAD TO pay to all of them.
yes even things i have heard them say recently with my own ears gives you the impression that is how they feel.
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>:( Sullivan and his book took 2nd billing on Nightline tonight with Terry Moran. He sat in that chair and said that Princess Diana did not want to be Michael’s friend and that she was most likely afraid of him because of all the attention he tried to show her. He also alluded to the fact that Michael could have been a pedophile. He said that he didn’t think so, but he couldn’t be 100% sure since he slept in bed with several boys. He also said that Michael was trying to be presexual (not hetero, not homo, and probably not a pedophile) because he thought he was 12 years old and Peter Pan since he even had his nose surgically constructed to look like him. :WTF: :Pulling_hair: I am so angry at how smugly he sat there and even had the nerve to be smiling mischievously as he trashed Michael, who If I’m not mistaken, he said he had known for some 20 odd years. Who exactly is this asshole? And what trash can be found on him. This calls for war. He did mention that he had been writing this book for over 3 years. So that says t me that he thought he would wait until the coast was clear (Michael dead :icon_rolleyes:) before he struck. What a coward and a lying one at that! He alluded to the fact that he had to finally come to terms with who Michael was and the life he led which also included him spending thousands of dollars on frivolous things including drugs. So what’s next?????? :ghsdf:
I found a link to the story. the video is not posted yet.
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/michael-jacksons-curse-fame-drove-peter-pan-addiction/story?id=17702091#.UKHWaY7FXUQ (http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/michael-jacksons-curse-fame-drove-peter-pan-addiction/story?id=17702091#.UKHWaY7FXUQ)
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I'll try to explain why it sounds possible to me: Jermain always used to emphasize that "Michael is part of Jackson 5"; he meant MJ would not be MJ if it weren't for JAckson5= MJ owes them his success plus to parents for life because MJ would not become iconic MJ if it weren't for Joe and Katherine. They believed that MJ HAD TO pay to all of them.
yes even things i have heard them say recently with my own ears gives you the impression that is how they feel.
Maybe look at the flip side. Maybe this is how Michael himself felt - wanting to give back to his family, knowing that his later personal successes came on the back of earlier input from his parents and brothers. IDK, it's none of my business actually, but I know the media always puts a negative slant to any story if it makes for 'juicier' reading.
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I think so too, Curls. It wasn't one of the reasons TS listed for the hoax, but giving back is part of it I think. We've noticed how each one of the Jackson siblings has had turns (yes plural) and even extented family, close friends, to "shine". Just as he told Orianthi it was her time to 'shine'. He has publicly stated his forgiveness and love for his father, and new appreciation. As far as this author claiming the Jackson siblings hounded MJ for money, it's possible that there are elements of truth, and then the media blows it up all out of proportion. And the whole recent Jackson feud over MJ's will and taking away Katherine, was such an obvious hoax set-up for just this kind of thinking bad about the siblings. As far as the Glenda tapes, we have had many long discussion on other threads. He does sound a little like the PPPYT that Pearl thinks is MJ, but I think way back we realized this guy knows too many details that only MJ would know.
Here in the tapes he says about his family, “tight-knit my ass”.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAzarSbfPEk[/youtube]
Just to compare the voices here's MJ being interviewed by Jesse Jackson. He does sound somewhat different but perhaps we all do from casual conversation with family/friends, to some public speaking where we know thousands are listening to us.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaQq4Vf7dkQ[/youtube]
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>:( Sullivan and his book took 2nd billing on Nightline tonight with Terry Moran. He sat in that chair and said that Princess Diana did not want to be Michael’s friend and that she was most likely afraid of him because of all the attention he tried to show her. He also alluded to the fact that Michael could have been a pedophile. He said that he didn’t think so, but he couldn’t be 100% sure since he slept in bed with several boys. He also said that Michael was trying to be presexual (not hetero, not homo, and probably not a pedophile) because he thought he was 12 years old and Peter Pan since he even had his nose surgically constructed to look like him. :WTF: :Pulling_hair: I am so angry at how smugly he sat there and even had the nerve to be smiling mischievously as he trashed Michael, who If I’m not mistaken, he said he had known for some 20 odd years. Who exactly is this asshole? And what trash can be found on him. This calls for war. He did mention that he had been writing this book for over 3 years. So that says t me that he thought he would wait until the coast was clear (Michael dead :icon_rolleyes:) before he struck. What a coward and a lying one at that! He alluded to the fact that he had to finally come to terms with who Michael was and the life he led which also included him spending thousands of dollars on frivolous things including drugs. So what’s next?????? :ghsdf:
I found a link to the story. the video is not posted yet.
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/michael-jacksons-curse-fame-drove-peter-pan-addiction/story?id=17702091#.UKHWaY7FXUQ (http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/michael-jacksons-curse-fame-drove-peter-pan-addiction/story?id=17702091#.UKHWaY7FXUQ)
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Family comes first.....
just because it's in print, doesn't mean it's true.........
I have a very hard time believing this. The Jacksons are an iconic
family with all the same troubles of any family. However, these trash stories....
I will only believe if Michael tells them to me personally. That's not going to happen......
because they are crap media attention from whoever needs a buck.
Well, I don't want to be crass, but we all know what rhymes with, "buck".
I guess the Jacksons were, "bucked" the moment stardom came their way.
I am sorry for the pain Michael, sorry for the sacrifice your family's pride has had to
endure over the years. It's not fair, it's not right...the leeches that sucked the life out of you
need to be put right. I hope and pray the light is on the way......go get them Michael.
It's all I can give, all I can offer...my support, my love to your family.
Family comes first.
Blessings Always
very well said Wishy! I share your feelings! wrongs like that just need to be righted! I do hope that day of truth is very close and world will hear real truth from Michael`s mouth..then all tabloids will be flushed to toilet and nobody will believe them anymore!
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...... I do hope that day of truth is very close and world will hear real truth from Michael`s mouth..then all tabloids will be flushed to toilet and nobody will believe them anymore!
Unrelated (for now) to MJ, but it's happening right now and it's not just tabloids - the BBC with its current 'problems' is causing many here in the UK to question the truth in it's reporting across the board. Hooray - at last!
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...... I do hope that day of truth is very close and world will hear real truth from Michael`s mouth..then all tabloids will be flushed to toilet and nobody will believe them anymore!
Unrelated (for now) to MJ, but it's happening right now and it's not just tabloids - the BBC with its current 'problems' is causing many here in the UK to question the truth in it's reporting across the board. Hooray - at last!
I heard about that case yesterday in our local news and my reaction was similar to yours.... :woohoo2: :woohoo2:
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just wanted to mention that someone posted about this book on another site and identified it as an audio book. ( books on tape ?)
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Who exactly is this asshole? And what trash can be found on him. This calls for war.
This asshole is like all the other assholes before him...the kind whose only hope for making a buck is by trashing Mike. Pathetic, disgusting and sad. Any asshole can write a book, that's been proven many, many times. BUT...that doesn't mean 'we' have to buy it, read it, talk about it or give it one ounce of our energy....ALL of which just feeds their negativity, their egos and their bank accounts. That is how these 'wars' are won...refuse to take ANY part in helping 'them' fulfill 'their' twisted needs. We can choose to go off and 'dig up' whatever dirt we can find on these losers...and we can choose to post and discuss all the trash that spews from their mouths and/or fingers...but, in doing so, we are actively choosing to engage in negativity. Just listening to this garbage or reading it or thinking about it...shifts your mental state to one of negativity. And in doing so, 'they' are fed.
Sometimes non-action sends the loudest message.
With L.O.V.E. always.
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Who exactly is this asshole? And what trash can be found on him. This calls for war.
This asshole is like all the other assholes before him...the kind whose only hope for making a buck is by trashing Mike. Pathetic, disgusting and sad. Any asshole can write a book, that's been proven many, many times. BUT...that doesn't mean 'we' have to buy it, read it, talk about it or give it one ounce of our energy....ALL of which just feeds their negativity, their egos and their bank accounts. That is how these 'wars' are won...refuse to take ANY part in helping 'them' fulfill 'their' twisted needs. We can choose to go off and 'dig up' whatever dirt we can find on these losers...and we can choose to post and discuss all the trash that spews from their mouths and/or fingers...but, in doing so, we are actively choosing to engage in negativity. Just listening to this garbage or reading it or thinking about it...shifts your mental state to one of negativity. And in doing so, 'they' are fed.
Sometimes non-action sends the loudest message.
With L.O.V.E. always.
:th_bravo: x 7
Wonderful post BTC......thank you!
Blessings!
LOVE
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There have also been several times when fans did enough protesting of a book didn’t make it pass go. Also when t.v. shows chose to air the messenger and being hit where it hurt, i.e. in the pocketbook by boycotting the advertisers, much did get done. Sometimes taking the passive approach doesn’t get much done. This book needs and the t.v. shows choosing to parade it needs to be sent a message and boycotted. This kind of manuscript puts the efforts everyone has put forward to end trashing Michael’s name and image back 3 years at least.
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@hes...I agree about the hard work and dedication many have put in to help stop this trash...their time and effort should always be applauded. However, it is a 'band-aid' fix...while it may stop the trash of the moment, there is always more trash to follow. And it will keep on coming as long as there are people who read it, watch it, and/or discuss it....either in support or in opposition.
IMO, focusing one's time and energy on highlighting who Mike is and always has been...produces more positive (and lasting) results than focusing on who he isn't and never was.
With L.O.V.E. always.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88d67-ypsXM[/youtube]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjec7YVuhfo i couldn't add it as a video.. but this is Jermaines explanation in an interview about it
anyone heard this song? it was aired around the time black and white came out
edit also should add, Jermain wrote song, the reason he said was because Michael was not returning his calls, a radio station got hold of this original and they played this song and Michael's song Black or White back to back, which this fed the media and everything they were saying. I don't believe michael Hid in his closet but I do believe his family did remind him that he made it because of the jackson 5 and the jacksons... it's even stated in these lyrics.. Jermain wrote the song out of frustration the very fact he wrong them shows he clearly thinks that way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtuIv1ATbu4 <-- Different media programs speaking of it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEcIEyUjCsM
This is the official Version that he released on his album in 1991
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No pressure. Just thought I’d put it out there & let you know.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88d67-ypsXM[/youtube]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjec7YVuhfo i couldn't add it as a video.. but this is Jermaines explanation in an interview about it
anyone heard this song? it was aired around the time black and white came out
edit also should add, Jermain wrote song, the reason he said was because Michael was not returning his calls, a radio station got hold of this original and they played this song and Michael's song Black or White back to back, which this fed the media and everything they were saying. I don't believe michael Hid in his closet but I do believe his family did remind him that he made it because of the jackson 5 and the jacksons... it's even stated in these lyrics.. Jermain wrote the song out of frustration the very fact he wrong them shows he clearly thinks that way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEcIEyUjCsM
This is the official Version that he released on his album in 1991
Okay, here is what Jermaine said about the song.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjec7YVuhfo[/youtube]
Sorry to say this but family problems should not be discussed in public. Nobody should know about them. That's why they call it "family business". Not "fans' business". Such problems should have been kept as a secret, no matter how mad someone can be.
Just my humble opinion.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88d67-ypsXM[/youtube]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjec7YVuhfo i couldn't add it as a video.. but this is Jermaines explanation in an interview about it
anyone heard this song? it was aired around the time black and white came out
edit also should add, Jermain wrote song, the reason he said was because Michael was not returning his calls, a radio station got hold of this original and they played this song and Michael's song Black or White back to back, which this fed the media and everything they were saying. I don't believe michael Hid in his closet but I do believe his family did remind him that he made it because of the jackson 5 and the jacksons... it's even stated in these lyrics.. Jermain wrote the song out of frustration the very fact he wrong them shows he clearly thinks that way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEcIEyUjCsM
This is the official Version that he released on his album in 1991
Okay, here is what Jermaine said about the song.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjec7YVuhfo[/youtube]
Sorry to say this but family problems should not be discussed in public. Nobody should know about them. That's why they call it "family business". Not "fans' business". Such problems should have been kept as a secret, no matter how mad someone can be.
Just my humble opinion.
Well maybe if facts were taken into account rather than just "fans" points of view with no facts, then they wouldn't need to be discussed, Why is this thread even posted if facts are not to be added?
The moment some things are added as facts it's time to "shut it down" and "silence" it "none of our business" and so fourth and yet if there was facts proving against the thread title, it's "keep it coming"
I thought this was an investigation forum... Oops My bad.
Edit: Further more, I don't think it's doing Michael Any justice by ignoring the truth behind it. What if he was hounded by his family for money, what if it was something else he had to deal with, what if his sitting here watching all you people call it rubbish that it never happened? Facts are facts no matter if people want to accept them or not, it doesn't make them untrue because they want to close their eyes and cover their ears and try and ignore it.. isn't that what people have been doing all these years about him? except it was about the bad media crap againt him.. they refused to listen to the truth about his medical conditions or anything else because they wanted to think what they wanted to think of him... isn't this any different? it's just on the other side of the coin, that is all.. I think that if people really going to investigate then there should be openness for all possibilities. I don't think I can learn anymore about the hoax here anymore.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88d67-ypsXM[/youtube]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjec7YVuhfo i couldn't add it as a video.. but this is Jermaines explanation in an interview about it
anyone heard this song? it was aired around the time black and white came out
edit also should add, Jermain wrote song, the reason he said was because Michael was not returning his calls, a radio station got hold of this original and they played this song and Michael's song Black or White back to back, which this fed the media and everything they were saying. I don't believe michael Hid in his closet but I do believe his family did remind him that he made it because of the jackson 5 and the jacksons... it's even stated in these lyrics.. Jermain wrote the song out of frustration the very fact he wrong them shows he clearly thinks that way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEcIEyUjCsM
This is the official Version that he released on his album in 1991
Wow, I have never heard this before......sort of a strong message, to say the least. I still contend families are families and when all is said and done, love is stronger than anything. However, this is a very hurtful song. Words can cut like a knife. They may not break a person, but they can do injury and cause as much pain as anything. I'd love to hear Jermaine's response to this song now. I do think the Jackson 5 was the catalyst for Michael's stardom. Would he have shot to the moon and back without them....we will never know. I have learned enough about Michael as a person though. Something tells me he would have become the megastar anyway....it was his calling, his destiny. The Jackson 5 have their place in history. A ground-breaking, Earth-shattering group that focused on the new sounds of the day. We can turn it around too....would they have been as successful without a little boy named Michael? I think so. Individual lives, one family....nothing but love in the end. Thanks for the post leilani81......it's really interesting for sure.
Blessings Always
PS> LOL.....diggyon, you read my mind :icon_eek: :icon_lol: nice post! I was curious what Jermaine would say.....
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88d67-ypsXM[/youtube]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjec7YVuhfo i couldn't add it as a video.. but this is Jermaines explanation in an interview about it
anyone heard this song? it was aired around the time black and white came out
edit also should add, Jermain wrote song, the reason he said was because Michael was not returning his calls, a radio station got hold of this original and they played this song and Michael's song Black or White back to back, which this fed the media and everything they were saying. I don't believe michael Hid in his closet but I do believe his family did remind him that he made it because of the jackson 5 and the jacksons... it's even stated in these lyrics.. Jermain wrote the song out of frustration the very fact he wrong them shows he clearly thinks that way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEcIEyUjCsM
This is the official Version that he released on his album in 1991
Okay, here is what Jermaine said about the song.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjec7YVuhfo[/youtube]
Sorry to say this but family problems should not be discussed in public. Nobody should know about them. That's why they call it "family business". Not "fans' business". Such problems should have been kept as a secret, no matter how mad someone can be.
Just my humble opinion.
Well maybe if facts were taken into account rather than just "fans" points of view with no facts, then they wouldn't need to be discussed, Why is this thread even posted if facts are not to be added?
The moment some things are added as facts it's time to "shut it down" and "silence" it "none of our business" and so fourth and yet if there was facts proving against the thread title, it's "keep it coming"
I thought this was an investigation forum... Oops My bad.
Edit: Further more, I don't think it's doing Michael Any justice by ignoring the truth behind it. What if he was hounded by his family for money, what if it was something else he had to deal with, what if his sitting here watching all you people call it rubbish that it never happened? Facts are facts no matter if people want to accept them or not, it doesn't make them untrue because they want to close their eyes and cover their ears and try and ignore it.. isn't that what people have been doing all these years about him? except it was about the bad media crap againt him.. they refused to listen to the truth about his medical conditions or anything else because they wanted to think what they wanted to think of him... isn't this any different? it's just on the other side of the coin, that is all.. I think that if people really going to investigate then there should be openness for all possibilities. I don't think I can learn anymore about the hoax here anymore.
Well leilani, I guess you got me all wrong!!
What I wanted to say is that brothers should not talk about their problems in public , especially when both of them are celebrities. That's what I meant with "family business". May be Jermaine was frustrated and angry about Michael in any way. It's his right. It's his brother. But involving the media and the fans in such a way was inappropriate. And as Wishingstar said, they are brothers after all. They can fight with each other and after a while they forget everything. But for the media and for the fans they are rivals for ever. Feeding the media with such news and even emphasizing it in an interview was a mistake from Jermaine in my opinion. Look at all the comments under this video on youtube. Some of them are very negative. Well, it was Jermaine who gave them the opportunity to write such stuff.
And as far as we are concerned I don't think it is our right to dig deeper and investigate such problems. May be we would discover even more stuff that could create more confusion. Again, these are family problems that no one should know about. We are here to investigate the death hoax of Michael not his family problems. No one would want people to talk about his family problems in public. Since we cannot know what is right and what is wrong and since most of us agree that the best thing to do is to ignore this book, I suggest we lock this thread. I don't know if you agree with me guys!!
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however it does seem that jermaine has been presumed to have brought negative elements into michael's life. thome and noi .
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A while back I read that MJ was more interested in how the song Jermaine wrote was going to hurt him Jermaine, not MJ. He took him privately pleading with him to not do this because of the backlash which would happen against Jermaine, and probably did hurt his career. But he wouldn't listen, and MJ's words came true. I don't think that his siblings feel those same negative things now, but truly love Michael, and realize the great price of fame and uniqueness is a heavy load to bear. Perhaps now they realize some of the special qualities that MJ had, that set him apart, were God-given, and now just want to support and honor him. Does anyone remember which interview or place to find MJ saying that?
Wishingstar, I would have to respectfully disagree that the Jackson 5, right from the start when Michael joined, everyone including Ed Sullivan, and Berry Gordy, talked of the little fellow who could really sing and had such energy. He was the lead singer, who always received most of the focus. But it's still true that Joe and the Jackson 5 group was the vehicle to bring MJ to the public, and they are his forever family, his roots, who he will always love. And I do like each of MJ's siblings and other extended members and appreciate each of them for their personalities and giftings, especially as we've seen them in this hoax drama. However Michael has the magic, the only true drawing power for me-- he is the hub of the wheel for me, and is I'm sure, the reason we are all here. :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile
About MJ breaking away from the Jackson 5, MJ once said himself, that he needed to break away from his brothers because he had a lot of creative things inside that he wanted to do and express, and his brothers didn't always want to follow his lead but had their own ideas. MJ didn't want to be tied down or restricted by family, which is completely natural and normal for any young person.
Let's please have patience and respect for each other and all MJ's family.
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About Jermaine's song, he mentioned it in his book. I don't have it with me right now but from what I remember, Jermaine said he recorded the song when he was angry at Michael (I can't remember why). But Jermaine also said he didn't write it, that it was Babyface and someone else and that Jermaine never intended to release it.
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About Jermaine's song, he mentioned it in his book. I don't have it with me right now but from what I remember, Jermaine said he recorded the song when he was angry at Michael (I can't remember why). But Jermaine also said he didn't write it, that it was Babyface and someone else and that Jermaine never intended to release it.
Yep...that is what I have read also. I think the story was that Jermaine was about to work with these 2 big wigs, and that Michael lured them away from the project and they ran after the bigger [biggest] star. This left Jermaine upset as he saw his shot for mega stardom snatched from his fingers. The story goes that the 2 record producers ended up getting replaced , and Michael went with another producer. After which they went back licking their wounds and gathered up Jermaine to start on the initial project. But as they were all venting about their dealings [ or no dealings] with MJ, they penned this little ditty and recorded it as a goof off. Jerms thought they were just mucking around letting off steam. He never dreamed that they would actually leak it to that DJ who played it on the launch of Black and White. Jermaine got used big time and worst of all, he still cops all the blame for this from MJ fans to this day. I say the 2 producers pulled off quite a scam here. They dissed MJ and got Jermaine to pay for the whole rap.
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Who exactly is this asshole? And what trash can be found on him. This calls for war.
This asshole is like all the other assholes before him...the kind whose only hope for making a buck is by trashing Mike. Pathetic, disgusting and sad. Any asshole can write a book, that's been proven many, many times. BUT...that doesn't mean 'we' have to buy it, read it, talk about it or give it one ounce of our energy....ALL of which just feeds their negativity, their egos and their bank accounts. That is how these 'wars' are won...refuse to take ANY part in helping 'them' fulfill 'their' twisted needs. We can choose to go off and 'dig up' whatever dirt we can find on these losers...and we can choose to post and discuss all the trash that spews from their mouths and/or fingers...but, in doing so, we are actively choosing to engage in negativity. Just listening to this garbage or reading it or thinking about it...shifts your mental state to one of negativity. And in doing so, 'they' are fed.
Sometimes non-action sends the loudest message.
With L.O.V.E. always.
I so agree BTC!
If you just read the title to begin with ...I was like :Pulling_hair: thinking "here we go again" :icon_rolleyes: same trash again! I do hope that there has been a shift, that people don't buy that s**t no longer and take it with a grain of salt.
TABLOIDS ain't worth the energy!
Sometimes non-action sends the loudest message.
:th_bravo:
LOVE
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About Jermaine's song, he mentioned it in his book. I don't have it with me right now but from what I remember, Jermaine said he recorded the song when he was angry at Michael (I can't remember why). But Jermaine also said he didn't write it, that it was Babyface and someone else and that Jermaine never intended to release it.
Yep...that is what I have read also. I think the story was that Jermaine was about to work with these 2 big wigs, and that Michael lured them away from the project and they ran after the bigger [biggest] star. This left Jermaine upset as he saw his shot for mega stardom snatched from his fingers. The story goes that the 2 record producers ended up getting replaced , and Michael went with another producer. After which they went back licking their wounds and gathered up Jermaine to start on the initial project. But as they were all venting about their dealings [ or no dealings] with MJ, they penned this little ditty and recorded it as a goof off. Jerms thought they were just mucking around letting off steam. He never dreamed that they would actually leak it to that DJ who played it on the launch of Black and White. Jermaine got used big time and worst of all, he still cops all the blame for this from MJ fans to this day. I say the 2 producers pulled off quite a scam here. They dissed MJ and got Jermaine to pay for the whole rap.
that doesn't exactly leave mike looking as pure as the driven snow either , does it? just sayin
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I can't believe we're talking about an old story here. This happened ages ago. I'm sure the two brothers forgot about it. This is exactly what I meant with not interfering in family problems. Now every one is giving his own opinion and suddenly we have a good a guy and a bad guy. Why don't we just forget about it!! This is not for investigation purposes!! It has nothing to do with the hoax!
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@diggy...I agree, it's completely pointless and has no bearing, whatsoever, on the hoax...not to mention, it's all 'gossip', which should be 'beneath' us by this point. I'm actually finding a lot of things pointless lately....when compared to what's going on in the world. The escalation that is occurring right now in the Middle East is extremely troubling....and we're sitting here trying to decipher hoax 'clues', talking about stuff that's none of our business and stuff that doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
I've been watching live feeds of the Gaza strip and it's heartbreaking to hear and see bombs going off everywhere. No matter the issues, no matter the conflicts, no matter which 'side' one is on...there are innocent people, including children, that are being killed. The timing of it all makes me think that it's about to get REAL bad worldwide....the sh*t is about to hit, and hard. And, all the while, we're being distracted by some guy's supposed extramarital affair....which, IMO, is all a guise anyway to cover up something really sinister that went on and is going on.
Trying to stay positive and keep the love alive during these times is like waiting on rain during a drought.
It's time to focus on things that actually matter.
With L.O.V.E. always.
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I think you are right diggy. The subject is "worn out" now.
I´m going to lock the thread.
Thank you @mindseye for posting (it´s good that we are aware of what is going on with that book) and @everyone for contributing.