Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => TMZ.com => Michael Jackson News => TMZ Articles => Topic started by: Andrea on November 11, 2012, 01:35:41 PM
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MICHAEL JACKSON
Fought Mark Wahlberg
Over 9/11 Escape Jet (http://www.tmz.com/2012/11/11/michael-jackson-mark-wahlberg-fought-over-9-11-sony-escape-jet/)
11/11/2012 11:20 AM PST BY TMZ STAFF
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/11/11/1111-michael-jackson-mark-wahlberg-getty-tmz-3.jpg)
Whoever is more famous, gets the private jet ... so said Sony, when Michael Jackson and Mark Wahlberg came to verbal blows over who could use the record label's ride to escape the aftermath of 9/11 -- and MJ won.
According to a new book called "Untouchable" by Randall Sullivan ... Michael, his kids and several relatives hightailed it to White Plains, NY a few days after the Twin Towers were hit in order to catch a private plane back to L.A.
But according to Sullivan, when M.J. arrived he was confronted by Mark Wahlberg and HIS entourage ... who were also waiting to use Sony's sweet ride.
Sullivan says the duo exchanged verbal blows over who got the plane ... until Sony honchos sent word down that M.J. (as the bigger celeb) was the victor.
Sullivan says Jackson eventually changed his mind at the last minute and wanted to get to L.A. by bus ... so his entourage flew without him. The book claims Jackson then changed his mind again and sent his mother and some relatives on the bus -- and Sony was forced to send a second plane.
The moral of the story is to work for Sony ... they had TWO planes!!!
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Okay, in the date and time of posing this story I see:
3x11
1x7 (2+1+2+2)
Hoax numbers??
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so i thought the story was supposed to be that he left in a car with liz and someone else.
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so i thought the story was supposed to be that he left in a car with liz and someone else.
Liz and Marlon Brando. Apparently an urban legend.
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This TMZ story reminds me of TIAI 11-11-11... the plane escape theory and Jermaine's airport "slip up".
And today is 11-11.
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I remember fan reports watching MJ leaving by car with his family.
The story about him travelling in a car with Dame Elizabeth and Marlon Brando all way across the land was set up by the Guardian - conveniently after all three of them were "dead".
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/may/05/liz-taylor-michael-jackson-marlon-brando (http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/may/05/liz-taylor-michael-jackson-marlon-brando)
Is this another Sandusky call?
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This TMZ story reminds me of TIAI 11-11-11... the plane escape theory and Jermaine's airport "slip up".
And today is 11-11.
Yes it doesn't seem to be a coincidence. Maybe TS will soon tell us more about this, lol.
Sullivan says Jackson eventually changed his mind at the last minute and wanted to get to L.A. by bus ... so his entourage flew without him. The book claims Jackson then changed his mind again and sent his mother and some relatives on the bus -- and Sony was forced to send a second plane.
No, the moral of the story is that Michael really seems to prefer the airplane finally! :icon_lol:
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:ghsdf:
The timing of this journalist Randall Sullivan's book "Untouchable" is interesting ... laughable. How much bs is in this book? Then MJ returns. :icon_lol:
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If we are accepting that TMZ is a giver of clues & hints as we have done so many, many times in the past, when reading between the lines, then in answer to discussions on the 11-11-11 TIAI thread, maybe MJ did escape on a plane on 6/25/2009.
Sony have TWO planes! :LolLolLolLol:
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Amen to that!
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I don't want to disturb this dance but the name of Wahlberg was not necessary if it was only about taking a plane.
Read about that guy and the connections.
There's one name linking 9/11 to Agent Orange to BP gulf spill to Aurora shooting to Sandusky victim claims.
Kenneth Feinberg.
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This TMZ story reminds me of TIAI 11-11-11... the plane escape theory and Jermaine's airport "slip up".
And today is 11-11.
Strange coincidence..... :icon_e_confused: :animal0017:
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Jackson changing his mind about modes of transport?? Original plan?
Ambulance bus or plane?? Sony's plane no less!!
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You will see that you all guys will agree with me that Michael did fly last June 25 to Mexico and maybe returned to Cali by car to perform Dave Dave and attend his memorial, it could be an option, right? due to the hottest days were gonna be the following 48 hours after his "death".
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TMZ reads this forum for a little publish their "great news", ::) we have been discussing whether Michael is was or was not in a airplane on June 25.
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To me this TMZ article translates into: 9/11 conspiracy ---> SONY involvement (probably related to the Anniversary concert one day prior to the attacks IDK!) ---> Michael knew and confronted them, he wanted OUT of their dirty trick ---> the "plane" meaning he got out (Xscaped)
I also think it's interesting the date coincidence noticed by Andrea 11-11-11 versus 11-11-12 and also 9/11 .... lots of 11s here :icon_e_wink:
I also knew the version of Michael traveling in a car with Liz Taylor and Marlon Brando ...
Who knows what to think anymore! but this TMZ article is NOT to be understood literally, but 'read between the lines", as it's obviously loaded with clues....
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I think it curious that the next story immediately above this one on the TMZ page is the one about Justin Bieber....
JUSTIN BIEBER
Is He Trying to
Tell Us Something?
:suspect:
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I think it curious that the next story immediately above this one on the TMZ page is the one about Justin Bieber....
JUSTIN BIEBER
Is He Trying to
Tell Us Something?
:suspect:
I literally said "Ha, awesome!" when I read your post Adi.
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Jackson changing his mind about modes of transport?? Original plan? Ambulance bus or plane?? Sony's plane no less!!
I think it curious that the next story immediately above this one on the TMZ page is the one about Justin Bieber....
JUSTIN BIEBER
Is He Trying to
Tell Us Something?
:suspect:
I literally said "Ha, awesome!" when I read your post Adi.
Me too. To both of you.
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hmm...
So if thinking about June 25th.. my thoughts immediately after reading this...
Michael was suppose to make that plane, but at the last moment changed his mind, some of the entourage who was to go with him continued on to the plane and he stuck around in the ambulance and UCLA, and then later changed his mind and managed to fly out on the other Sony plane later, maybe from a different airport? maybe even a smaller quieter one...
I don't know this is just my immediate thought while reading the article :P
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Mark Wahlberg
Michael Jackson, 9/11
Plane Story Is BS
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/11/11/1111-mark-wahlberg-mj-tmz-getty-3.jpg)
It's an amazing story -- Michael Jackson and Mark Wahlberg fighting over a private plane in the days after 9/11. The only problem ... IT'S JUST NOT TRUE ... this according to sources close to Wahlberg.
A new book, entitled "Untouchable," recounts the tale of MJ and MW both jockeying for a Sony private jet. Sony eventually let MJ have it, claims the book.
But sources close to Wahlberg tell TMZ the whole thing is a work of fiction. We're told Mark had no need for a plane from Sony to fly back to Los Angeles because he had his own.
We knew it was too good to be true.
http://www.tmz.com/2012/11/11/michael-jackson-mark-wahlberg-9-11-plane/
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Leilani81
Michael was suppose to make that plane, but at the last moment changed his mind, some of the entourage who was to go with him continued on to the plane and he stuck around in the ambulance and UCLA, and then later changed his mind and managed to fly out on the other Sony plane later, maybe from a different airport? maybe even a smaller quieter one...
I think you might be on to something. This reminds me of Ben Evenstead, “and the other d…”
The ‘slippery’ one, said that Jermaine/family had to be giving us true clues, otherwise MJ is dead as they say publicly. But perhaps they are speaking half-truths.
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Leilani81
Michael was suppose to make that plane, but at the last moment changed his mind, some of the entourage who was to go with him continued on to the plane and he stuck around in the ambulance and UCLA, and then later changed his mind and managed to fly out on the other Sony plane later, maybe from a different airport? maybe even a smaller quieter one...
I think you might be on to something. This reminds me of Ben Evenstead, “and the other d…”
The ‘slippery’ one, said that Jermaine/family had to be giving us true clues, otherwise MJ is dead as they say publicly. But perhaps they are speaking half-truths.
Nice TS has a new nickname The Slippery one. That could be true, but I don't get the logic of TS. He says the family has to be giving us real clues or MJ's dead, but that makes no sense to me.
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maybe the moral of the story is.......they had TWO mj's
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my reply on other thread re the same subject
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,23474.0.html
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Leilani81
Michael was suppose to make that plane, but at the last moment changed his mind, some of the entourage who was to go with him continued on to the plane and he stuck around in the ambulance and UCLA, and then later changed his mind and managed to fly out on the other Sony plane later, maybe from a different airport? maybe even a smaller quieter one...
I think you might be on to something. This reminds me of Ben Evenstead, “and the other d…”
The ‘slippery’ one, said that Jermaine/family had to be giving us true clues, otherwise MJ is dead as they say publicly. But perhaps they are speaking half-truths.
Nice TS has a new nickname The Slippery one. That could be true, but I don't get the logic of TS. He says the family has to be giving us real clues or MJ's dead, but that makes no sense to me.
Doesn't make sense to me either considering there's an admitted ARG aspect to this. The whole thing is a giant mind game.
But mind games aside, going to the airport does NOT = getting on an airplane and flying out of LA. TS wants us to accept that MJ performed the latter action when JJ only stated the former.
JJ also does not say that MJ was NOT in the ambulance nor does JJ say that MJ did NOT go to UCLA. He stated that MJ "passed" long before he went to the airport i mean hospital.
...so? I don't see where JJ says MJ went to the airport instead of UCLA and that's what TS wants us to accept.
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We are thinking pictures due to engraved memories.
TS / Front are trying to break those patterns in our conditioned brains.
Picture of ambulance leaving from MJ's house -> thinking he's in there = assuming based on memory recordings of "an ambulance leaving a house does always carry an ill person from that house to a hospital".
Triggered picture of MJ going to the airport -> thinking he took off in a plane = assuming "an airport is used for getting on an airplane and leaving". (JJ mentioning some words only! = pushing the button to make this picture come alive)
MJ wanted to do movie. Pictures are so powerful in our imagination. We've learned that ourselves - if anything.
Airports are an excellent and frequently used meeting location for top business conferences.
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He stated that MJ "passed" long before he went to the airport i mean hospital.
@bec, JJ didn't even say the 'passed' word!
His actual words were ' Michael was not with us way before he arrived to the airport .......' What the heck does that actually mean? Arrived to - that's not even close to being grammatically correct where I come from!!
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Oh even better. Thanks for the memory jog, curls.
Ps. maybe we should post this on the tiai 11/11/11 thread.
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^^ What, like two impish students presenting something to try and catch out their teacher?!! :LolLolLolLol:
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He stated that MJ "passed" long before he went to the airport i mean hospital.
@bec, JJ didn't even say the 'passed' word!
His actual words were ' Michael was not with us way before he arrived to the airport .......' What the heck does that actually mean? Arrived to - that's not even close to being grammatically correct where I come from!!
Yes, so if Michael wasn't with us way before he arrived to the airport......then where exactly was Michael ? (I agree curls about the grammar)
the million, kazillion, bazillion dollar question! :icon_lol:
hahaha....anyone recall this lil' gem from way back when in 2009? not 100% sure if ever really meant anything.....was probably just another rabbit hole to fall into.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zJSmfYo6uw[/youtube]
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Leilani81
Michael was suppose to make that plane, but at the last moment changed his mind, some of the entourage who was to go with him continued on to the plane and he stuck around in the ambulance and UCLA, and then later changed his mind and managed to fly out on the other Sony plane later, maybe from a different airport? maybe even a smaller quieter one...
I think you might be on to something. This reminds me of Ben Evenstead, “and the other d…”
The ‘slippery’ one, said that Jermaine/family had to be giving us true clues, otherwise MJ is dead as they say publicly. But perhaps they are speaking half-truths.
Nice TS has a new nickname The Slippery one. That could be true, but I don't get the logic of TS. He says the family has to be giving us real clues or MJ's dead, but that makes no sense to me.
Doesn't make sense to me either considering there's an admitted ARG aspect to this. The whole thing is a giant mind game.
But mind games aside, going to the airport does NOT = getting on an airplane and flying out of LA. TS wants us to accept that MJ performed the latter action when JJ only stated the former.
JJ also does not say that MJ was NOT in the ambulance nor does JJ say that MJ did NOT go to UCLA. He stated that MJ "passed" long before he went to the airport i mean hospital.
...so? I don't see where JJ says MJ went to the airport instead of UCLA and that's what TS wants us to accept.
I agree that it would be wrong to make that assumption since TS has taught us not to assume i.e when he said the Levels were supposed to be finished by Nov 29th, we assume it was the year he said it (2011) but in fact we were wrong.
Here is no different, JJ only said:
Michael was not with us way before he arrived to the airport.
Now just the 'Michael was not with us way before...' just says to me they (e.g. JJ and other Jackson family members) maybe did not see MJ for a long period of time (days, weeks or months etc.)...I mean just the expression 'way before' is an expression that is used to show a long period of time. Like when someone talks about a time in history they likely use the phrase in their sentence, such as... 'The Beatles were way before your time', that kind of thing.
We could of just assumed that it meant MJ wasn't with them on June 25th 2009 because he was getting ready for his 'escape'. But JJ could of just meant he hadn't seen MJ in a while, when he was alive (to the world).
Also TS did say MJ was NOT in imminent danger on June 25th 2009, and anyway if TS didn't say that we could logically assume that MJ was not in imminent danger because of the numerology and the time and planning that went on in the hoax to establish June 25th 2009 as the day of the Illusion. I mean Kenny O said it himself, MJ told him June 25th 2009 was the day of the illusion and if MJ was in imminent danger he wouldn't of known the day of the Illusion.
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Just love semantics.
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Yeah, it's this interview and look at JJ's smile.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&v=dvA9_v-zd6o[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&v=dvA9_v-zd6o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&v=dvA9_v-zd6o)
But one does not "arrive to" a place but "arrive at" a place, right?
Which makes me think it is "arrive too" - Jermain choking a word - and JJ and family was present when MJ arrived.
Airport may be an "air port" - a port to air sth. or a port / bridge / crossing / passage for changeover - which would fall into line with Lundon bridge.
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Jermaine: “Michael was not with us way before he arrived to the airport.” “I mean, I mean... way before he arrived to the hospital”.
Actually doesn’t it prove that the slip-up was a real one? Because I understand “was not with us” as meaning “was dead” or “had passed” and Jermaine seems to say this part in a normal manner, very calmly which reflects this meaning to me. Also, this sentence only makes sense when in rapport with the hospital and is confusing when talking about the airport. If you keep in mind the context of what Jermaine is talking about, Michael’s health, when he says “He was very healthy but Michael was not with us way before…” it looks like he is implying that despite the fact that Michael was very healthy he already “was not with us” way before he arrived at UCLA. He also states that this is the reason why there are talks of a conspiracy. Therefore all of this makes the mention of “airport” very singular, out of place. And why would Jermaine have the word “airport” in mind in such a context would it all be real? It’s of course because it isn’t and Michael didn’t go to UCLA but the airport. Now did he took an airplane? Well that’s another story but we can assume he did as that’s what most people do when they go to the airport. I can’t think of any reason that would require him to go to the airport.
Now even if it’s not a genuine slip-up and that on the contrary it is done on purpose, the end result is the same as we are left with a family clue leading us to the airport and I see no reason yet as to why we would be “lead astray” so to speak.
Now probably I’m taking all this too much at face value. Actually you know, sometimes I think that we are trying to get answers out of thin air, we lack too much material in my view. This slip-up to me still isn’t a tangible proof of Michael being at the airport or in an airplane. I don’t think that a slip-up that would be corrected straight after would be acceptable evidence in a court of law. :icon_lol: But yes indeed it's an ARG, mind games are to be expected I guess. :icon_razz:
Yes Ellyd, I agree it’s normally “to arrive at” but maybe it’s just a mistake as Jermaine also says “to arrive at the hospital” without choking any word.
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We are thinking pictures due to engraved memories.
TS / Front are trying to break those patterns in our conditioned brains.
Picture of ambulance leaving from MJ's house -> thinking he's in there = assuming based on memory recordings of "an ambulance leaving a house does always carry an ill person from that house to a hospital".
Triggered picture of MJ going to the airport -> thinking he took off in a plane = assuming "an airport is used for getting on an airplane and leaving". (JJ mentioning some words only! = pushing the button to make this picture come alive)
MJ wanted to do movie. Pictures are so powerful in our imagination. We've learned that ourselves - if anything.
Airports are an excellent and frequently used meeting location for top business conferences.
Btw, I just wanted to add that I think this is a very astute observation regarding how our brains work.
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Also TS did say MJ was NOT in imminent danger on June 25th 2009, and anyway if TS didn't say that we could logically assume that MJ was not in imminent danger because of the numerology and the time and planning that went on in the hoax to establish June 25th 2009 as the day of the Illusion. I mean Kenny O said it himself, MJ told him June 25th 2009 was the day of the illusion and if MJ was in imminent danger he wouldn't of known the day of the Illusion.
That's a great observation.
Nor, would you think MJ would wish to even refer to it as "the Illusion" for fear of tipping off TPTB to his plan to fake his death. "The Illusion" is not a very covert name for what needs to be a very covert mission if one is attempting to escape TPTB.