Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => The Redirects => TIAI => The Plan (Qanon, TIAI, BACK) => TIAI ~ 2012 => Topic started by: Andrea on October 27, 2012, 01:40:00 AM
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http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/forum/index.php?topic=109.0
In order to accomodate coloring and highlighting, Sign #6 was created in Adobe PDF format.
Read or download the file here: http://filetrip.net/view?4IE3xPS5tS (http://filetrip.net/view?4IE3xPS5tS)
If you do not already have Adobe Reader, you can download it for free here: http://www.adobe.com/products/reader.html (http://www.adobe.com/products/reader.html)
:) :) :o
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Thanks Andrea.
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A new sign! Thanks Andrea
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Oh my frak...Sign 6 already, this ish just got real...lol
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Cool......wow, just quickly scanned it and I think this Sign is going to require me to summon all of my cognitive powers :icon_albino:
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Cool......wow, just quickly scanned it and I think this Sign is going to require me to summon all of my cognitive powers :icon_albino:
Haha you said it, I am still on page 3. I've been reading each paragraph 3 times over and I'm still lost...it ain't really my forte.
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Three and a half years.
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:screaming-7365: :screaming-7365:
Help despite my best efforts I cannot seem to ge into this document, Ive downloaded etc but dont get anyfurther than the Ivid downloader but then nothing what am I doing wrong, I so want to read the new sign 6.
HELP :Pulling_hair: :Pulling_hair: :smiley-vault-misc-150:
:icon_redface: :icon_redface:
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:screaming-7365: :screaming-7365:
Help despite my best efforts I cannot seem to ge into this document, Ive downloaded etc but dont get anyfurther than the Ivid downloader but then nothing what am I doing wrong, I so want to read the new sign 6.
HELP :Pulling_hair: :Pulling_hair: :smiley-vault-misc-150:
:icon_redface: :icon_redface:
Doesn't it display for you when you open the link?
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:screaming-7365: :screaming-7365:
Help despite my best efforts I cannot seem to ge into this document, Ive downloaded etc but dont get anyfurther than the Ivid downloader but then nothing what am I doing wrong, I so want to read the new sign 6.
HELP :Pulling_hair: :Pulling_hair: :smiley-vault-misc-150:
:icon_redface: :icon_redface:
Do not click on the brightly coloured green buttons as they will download iLivid ( I think)......you need to click only on the grey button "Download this document" which takes you to another page.....wait a few seconds and 2 grey buttons appear saying "Download" or "View"......If you click on the grey "Download" button it should download the PDF to your computer, which is what I did.
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:screaming-7365: :screaming-7365:
Help despite my best efforts I cannot seem to ge into this document, Ive downloaded etc but dont get anyfurther than the Ivid downloader but then nothing what am I doing wrong, I so want to read the new sign 6.
HELP :Pulling_hair: :Pulling_hair: :smiley-vault-misc-150:
:icon_redface: :icon_redface:
Do not click on the brightly coloured green buttons as they will download iLivid ( I think)......you need to click only on the grey button "Download this document" which takes you to another page.....wait a few seconds and 2 grey buttons appear saying "Download" or "View"......If you click on the grey "Download" button it should download the PDF to your computer, which is what I did.
Will try now, I did by accident download iLivid now how do I get rid of it. will try again now, Thanks :icon_e_biggrin:
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By mistake I did the same a few weeks ago trying to download one of Front's files using the same file sharing site and I accidently downloaded iLivid. It was fine and didn't do any harm to my computer and I just let it stay.
Good luck :icon_e_biggrin:
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By mistake I did the same a few weeks ago trying to download one of Front's files using the same file sharing site and I accidently downloaded iLivid. It was fine and didn't do any harm to my computer and I just let it stay.
Good luck :icon_e_biggrin:
I managed ot uninstall iLivid but still havent managed to get to the file, it now wants me to enter mobile number for premium line !!!!! :icon_eek: cost "huge" ££££ ?
:computer-losy-smiley: still not seen it :over-react-smiley:
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FANtastic thing to wake up to! Thanks for posting it Andrea and thanks TS for your continued presence :icon_razz:
I'm off to read it...understanding it is a whole other ball game lol.
With L.O.V.E. always.
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By mistake I did the same a few weeks ago trying to download one of Front's files using the same file sharing site and I accidently downloaded iLivid. It was fine and didn't do any harm to my computer and I just let it stay.
Good luck :icon_e_biggrin:
I
:computer-losy-smiley: still not seen it :over-react-smiley:
Success :multiplespotting: :multiplespotting: :multiplespotting:
Thanks TS now reading :) :penguin:
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I don't understand anything!
Looking back at everything regarding the signs... I don't get a thing!
It's like everything is in a foreign language.
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I'm going to read it now, some of your comments have me :errrr:
:icon_lol:
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I don't understand anything!
Looking back at everything regarding the signs... I don't get a thing!
It's like everything is in a foreign language.
C'mon your simoogle, your supposed to have all the knowledge at your fingertips...lol...but I read it again and I think I get the main parts of what TS is saying. When I first read it I felt the same, but as long as you get the main idea it'll be fine :icon_geek:
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C'mon your simoogle,
LMAO :icon_lol:
your supposed to have all the knowledge at your fingertips...lol...
i'm "supposed to" ? allegedly? :icon_geek: :icon_lol:
but I read it again and I think I get the main parts of what TS is saying.
Ohh pleeeez enlighten me :bowdown:
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Can’t open this file on this dang computer :computer-losy-smiley: This must be a conspiracy :ghsdf: :Crash: :Crash: :computer-losy-smiley:
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I try and try to understand..but :icon_rolleyes:
I am not good at this :icon_e_geek:
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Just thought it would be interesting to note that 3 years ago today on October 27 2009 an early screening of This Is It was held at the L.A. Live's new Regal Cinemas Stadium 14 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson's_This_Is_It#Obtaining_tickets )
....... and then on October 29 2009 the thisisalsoit redirects began
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@Andrea..... thanks for sharing honey!!
@TS..... thank you so much for your 6th Sign and your great effort and contribution to the hoax, you are really brilliant!
So guys one Sign left to go!.......is it good or not? :errrr:
How is it gonna be?.
6th Sign.......BAM.......7th Sign
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6th Sign.......7th Sign.......BAM
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Can’t open this file on this dang computer :computer-losy-smiley: This must be a conspiracy :ghsdf: :Crash: :Crash: :computer-losy-smiley:
I can't open it either even after uploading another program. I don't get it!
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For those having trouble:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/sign61.jpg)
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(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/sign66.jpg)
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(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/sign611.jpg)
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:smiley_abuv:
I'm still Watchin'...More so than ever before. Not gonna catch me slippin' so a thief can steal my eternity. :fresse:
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@bec thank you for putting the pages up. :bearhug:
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I am not going to read the whole thing for sure. The only words caught my eyes are THE END COMES SUDDENLY and THE UNFAITHFUL WILL BE CAUGHT BY SURPRISE, & SUMMER IS NEAR.
IMO, this means someone WAS UNFAITHFUL that led to hoax the death and MJ will be back in summer of 2013 to 'take over' (4 years to make it right). Sounds like what I thought. Will see.
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I am not going to read the whole thing for sure. The only words caught my eyes are THE END COMES SUDDENLY and THE UNFAITHFUL WILL BE CAUGHT BY SURPRISE, & SUMMER IS NEAR.
IMO, this means someone WAS UNFAITHFUL that led to hoax the death and MJ will be back in summer of 2013 to 'take over' (4 years to make it right). Sounds like what I thought. Will see.
More like: those who didn't pay attention to the hoax and the signs Michael gave will be caught off-guard by his return.
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Can’t open this file on this dang computer :computer-losy-smiley: This must be a conspiracy :ghsdf: :Crash: :Crash: :computer-losy-smiley:
I know just how you feel, I was the same earlier today. Hope you managed to get there in the end.
:icon_e_smile:
L.O.V.E.
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I am not going to read the whole thing for sure. The only words caught my eyes are THE END COMES SUDDENLY and THE UNFAITHFUL WILL BE CAUGHT BY SURPRISE, & SUMMER IS NEAR.
IMO, this means someone WAS UNFAITHFUL that led to hoax the death and MJ will be back in summer of 2013 to 'take over' (4 years to make it right). Sounds like what I thought. Will see.
More like: those who didn't pay attention to the hoax and the signs Michael gave will be caught off-guard by his return.
NO, I don't think Michael has intention to catch fans/people who believe that he passed away and do not listen to/catch his message. He has enemies whom he wants to surprise, not his fans. Haven't we heard his phone conversations about his concern? MJ loves all his fans-believers, non- believers, does not matter.
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Can't deny the parallels and especially the time factor. Grace posted regarding three and a half years and TNZ in their latest twitter longer reminded me of of this three and a half year plan. Time times and half a time
http://www.contactmusic.com/news/jackson-has-three-year-comeback-plan_1096999 (http://www.contactmusic.com/news/jackson-has-three-year-comeback-plan_1096999)
JACKSON "HAS A THREE YEAR COMEBACK PLAN>"
posted 06 March 2009
MICHAEL JACKSON's comeback is expected to extend past his initial ten-date residency in London - he has a $400 million (£283 million), three-year plan to re-conquer the world.
The King of Pop faced thousands of fans on Thursday (05Mar09) to announce his short residency at the O2 Arena in July (09).
Jackson told the crowd and a gallery of reporters that the shows - dubbed "This Is It" - would be his last performances ever in the U.K.
But representatives for concert promoter AEG have revealed the Thriller hitmaker has a gameplan for the relaunch of his career - which will include single releases, new songs, and even a film.
Randy Phillips, head of AEG, says, "We're talking to him about helping him figure a new plan for the release of singles, new music.
"We have a film development deal that's part of this to do a film, Thriller 3D."
And Phillips reveals the deal with Jackson could pull in huge revenues - if things go to plan.
He adds, "If we complete the full three-and-a-half year plan, he could gross over $400 million in that time. London could be north of $50 million."
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@Andrea..... thanks for sharing honey!!
@TS..... thank you so much for your 6th Sign and your great effort and contribution to the hoax, you are really brilliant!
So guys one Sign left to go!.......is it good or not? :errrr:
How is it gonna be?.
6th Sign.......BAM.......7th Sign
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6th Sign.......7th Sign.......BAM
Well Update 7 is after the BAM
TS
...update #7 will probably be after BAM.
Level 7 will be done by November 29th
TS_comments
I said we would finish level 7 by November 29
Sign 7 will be done by the end of this year, I'd probably say before the BAM since we will have Update 7 after.
TS_comments
For sure, all three 7's will be done by the end of 2012: Level 7, Update 7, and Sign 7 (777).
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C'mon your simoogle,
LMAO :icon_lol:
your supposed to have all the knowledge at your fingertips...lol...
i'm "supposed to" ? allegedly? :icon_geek: :icon_lol:
Oh someone's being very witty, SimWittyK, huh, huh? :icon_lol:
but I read it again and I think I get the main parts of what TS is saying.
Ohh pleeeez enlighten me :bowdown:
Ok well I only understand the basics, if I get something wrong my bad, feel free to correct me. So this is my interpretation;
Introduction
-The end is coming, we will not know the day or time
-Destruction will be upon the earth from the hands of God
-A prophesy (when they say 'Peace and Security', destruction will be upon them) will be fufilled. This is just the start of a war against God and the world
-When it says they will see the 'Son of man coming' it isn't literal, it just means they world will know who is bringing upon this destruction
The Unfaithful Will be Caught by Surprise
-TS explains that "this generation" means OUR generation, we are the last generation, we will see the 'sign of the times' and the end of the world (Armageddon)
-The faithful (the ones worshipping God) will NOT know when they end will be, no one knows, not even the Son of God will know;
“But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only" (Matt 24:36)
-But by the signs and the prophesies we will know that the end is near
-The unfaithful will be caught by surprise as they will not expect it (remember in Noah's day) no one believed him and then when the floods came, the people were running to the mountain tops to try and save themselves
-69 weeks WERE interpreted as Christ's FIRST coming, but the last week was thought to represent the tribulation (destruction)
-And then something about what if the chapters in Daniel was fulfilled and the end was less than 7 years (which I personally don't understand because if we won't know the day, then how will we know the period)
The Time Is Fulfilled
The Commandment to Restore and to Build Jerusalem
-I don't understand a whole chunk of this area
Seven Weeks, and Threescore and Two Weeks
-Don't understand
Messiah means Anointed
-Christ = Messiah
-So Jesus is the Messiah
The 15th Year of Tiberius Caesar
-Don't know about this section
The Seventieth Week
-Understanding what the last week (7 years...(does anyone know why a week equals 7 yrs?) of the 70 weeks
And After Threescore and Two Weeks
-Jesus' death comes after the 69 week prophesy so this means the 69 week does not point to his death
Can you count to 70?
-I don't get the 300 weeks (~2,000 years) bit
The Prince Shall Come
-The Prince is Jesus as Daniel 11:22 and Daniel 9:25 have established, so the Prince cannot be the antichrist
-The Prince will destroy the city and the sanctuary and will come at the end of the 69 week prophesy
The People of the Prince
-The Princes people are Titus and his soldiers as they were the ones to directly/physically destroy Jerusalem and the Temple
-Not God's chosen ones or the Jews
The Only Possible Antecedent
-The Messiah (Jesus) shall confirm the Covenant for one week (which is the 70th week) and shall cause the sacrifice and oblation (act of worship) to cease
-This was confirmed when Jesus died, the earth quaked and the temple veil was torn (so animal sacrifices were no longer required), Jesus was now the ultimate/perfect sacrifice, because since sin entered through the world through one man it would take another perfect man
In the Midst of the Week
-Messiah would be sacrificed in the middle of week 70 (which is 7 yrs and in the middle of that 7 yrs (3 1/2 yrs) was Jesus' baptism and death)
Until Seventy Times Seven
-I don't know about this one
The Abomination of Desolation in Daniel
-Abomination and desolation continuing till the end of time
-Apostles ask Jesus when will the conclusion of the system of things will be/sign of the times
-Jesus prophesied to them;
“Look out that nobody misleads you,for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many" (Matthew 24:4,5)
Thou Knewest Not the Time Prophesy in Daniel
-I really don't know
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I am reading this Sign very slowly...taking my time in between sections. I have to admit I am having trouble understanding it but I will persist.
Just wanted to ask what is probably a lame question for some here....but does anyone have an inkling of what the different colours and bolded words, underlined words, capitalised words etc might mean/represent? They are almost like a code......I thought maybe they may make up some kind of message to decipher. I think they are kind of throwing me a bit whilst I read.
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I am reading this Sign very slowly...taking my time in between sections. I have to admit I am having trouble understanding it but I will persist.
Just wanted to ask what is probably a lame question for some here....but does anyone have an inkling of what the different colours and bolded words, underlined words, capitalised words etc might mean/represent? They are almost like a code......I thought maybe they may make up some kind of message to decipher. I think they are kind of throwing me a bit whilst I read.
I think it is just for emphasis (underlined words) and highlighted words of the same colour are like words i.e you, us yourselves, ye (are all in green). I guess more of the key and important points. When I first read Sign 6 that is the first thing I did, I looked at all the highlighted words and underlined words but didn't fine anything. But who knows, can't put it past TS.
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Can't deny the parallels and especially the time factor. Grace posted regarding three and a half years and TNZ in their latest twitter longer reminded me of of this three and a half year plan. Time times and half a time
http://www.contactmusic.com/news/jackson-has-three-year-comeback-plan_1096999 (http://www.contactmusic.com/news/jackson-has-three-year-comeback-plan_1096999)
JACKSON "HAS A THREE YEAR COMEBACK PLAN>"
posted 06 March 2009
MICHAEL JACKSON's comeback is expected to extend past his initial ten-date residency in London - he has a $400 million (£283 million), three-year plan to re-conquer the world.
The King of Pop faced thousands of fans on Thursday (05Mar09) to announce his short residency at the O2 Arena in July (09).
Jackson told the crowd and a gallery of reporters that the shows - dubbed "This Is It" - would be his last performances ever in the U.K.
But representatives for concert promoter AEG have revealed the Thriller hitmaker has a gameplan for the relaunch of his career - which will include single releases, new songs, and even a film.
Randy Phillips, head of AEG, says, "We're talking to him about helping him figure a new plan for the release of singles, new music.
"We have a film development deal that's part of this to do a film, Thriller 3D."
And Phillips reveals the deal with Jackson could pull in huge revenues - if things go to plan.
He adds, "If we complete the full three-and-a-half year plan, he could gross over $400 million in that time. London could be north of $50 million."
Thanks for this reminder RK.
Using the accession year method, MJ (a king) "died" in the middle of the year, making it an accession year, or year 0. Inclusive reckoning would have us round up 3 1/2 years to 4 - "we have 4 years to get it right or its irreversible then...we're done" - it makes more sense to say 4 years instead of 3 1/2.
So 3 1/2 years brings us to this December (going from 6/25/09)...does this mean we are approaching the middle of the last 7 years? Was that the true meaning of what MJ was saying in TII? And what happens then... but we're not supposed to know when, right?
Thanks again TS for this latest Sign. I had a much better comprehension (I think) on the 2nd reading and once again, what you've presented makes sense and you have a lot to back it up. The 69 weeks prophecy by Daniel is indeed, amazing. Mind = blown.
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Oh Jesus. Thriller 3D... Thriller 30.
Holy Sht!
Facepalm!
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5D.
length
width
height
active participation (in movie: let it rain for real)
tIME (stretched, pressed, flipped, condensed to one momment, jump, time warp, time is relative)
and all that by taking off our shades not by putting some on
witnessing God rewriting history through His servants
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Oh Jesus. Thriller 3D... Thriller 30.
Holy Sht!
Facepalm!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fD4QFi-zGao#![/youtube]
I'm truly hoping for fun stuff happening on Nov. 30---anything will be appreciated!! Anything at all, don't want to say any words starting with B... :icon_lol:
Andrea
Using the accession year method, MJ (a king) "died" in the middle of the year, making it an accession year, or year 0. Inclusive reckoning would have us round up 3 1/2 years to 4 - "we have 4 years to get it right or its irreversible then...we're done" - it makes more sense to say 4 years instead of 3 1/2.
So 3 1/2 years brings us to this December (going from 6/25/09)...does this mean we are approaching the middle of the last 7 years? Was that the true meaning of what MJ was saying in TII? And what happens then... but we're not supposed to know when, right?
You know it's an interesting concept to use the Signs as parables to MJ's life, hidden clues. And in the TII, Threatened, MJ stands in crucifixion pose with ghosts/spirits descending from the sky perhaps symbolizing the second coming of Christ.
It also seems rather mysterious to me, that though TS's Signs talk about Biblical prophesy fulfillment in Jesus's first coming, he says not a peep about Jesus' second coming, only EOW. Strange, unless...
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I am not going to read the whole thing for sure. The only words caught my eyes are THE END COMES SUDDENLY and THE UNFAITHFUL WILL BE CAUGHT BY SURPRISE, & SUMMER IS NEAR.
IMO, this means someone WAS UNFAITHFUL that led to hoax the death and MJ will be back in summer of 2013 to 'take over' (4 years to make it right). Sounds like what I thought. Will see.
More like: those who didn't pay attention to the hoax and the signs Michael gave will be caught off-guard by his return.
NO, I don't think Michael has intention to catch fans/people who believe that he passed away and do not listen to/catch his message. He has enemies whom he wants to surprise, not his fans. Haven't we heard his phone conversations about his concern? MJ loves all his fans-believers, non- believers, does not matter.
I agree that Michael loves all his fans; that's why he gave them signs in the first place. If they didn't pay attention to those signs/clues, they will be shocked. Clearly, it wasn't his intention to shock them (he gave them clues). Still, both enemies and fans will be surprised. They thought he was dead, and all of a sudden he comes back? What do you think their reaction will be? I expect some jaws to drop :affraid:. His enemies might try to run and hide. The non-believing fans might get excited, some might stay in denial, some might get mad lol. Not his fault though, he warned them ahead of time. They will all be surprised for not paying attention.
The believers on the otherhand will just be :multiplespotting: :woohoo2: :bearhug:
Actually, we'll be surprised too because we don't know how exactly he's making that return and what that will look like specifically. Are we suppose to keep watching the sky for an "MJ air" blimp to come in the clouds?
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Guys you're amazing! I'm having a hard time reading the latest sign but because of your posts, it makes it easier for me to understand what it is saying. Thanks!
@Bec, thanks for posting the pages!
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It is IS, in part, a fan sting. TS straight up admitted it on more then one occasion, when pressed. They are being taught a lesson, just like the media.
But it's all for love. L.O.V.E.
@MJonmind, you read my mind with the B word. I hope we will get a heads up... maybe a little inside scoop? A little "save the date" card of sorts?
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Hiya, all!
after quick reading that pdf, I have a question It seems to me, that what I read between lines and, seeing the political debates going on, that some of the parts referred in to the pdf and before, could lead to some kind of "mormon profecy" that many are waiting for.
The mormons believe that Israelites must return to their land and then "the father" would come to eart (they also believe that they are the chosen to rule the world because they are some kind of reincarnated spirits from the past. A bit odd, considering that Romney, who is a mormon, could become the next USA president :over-react-smiley:) )
TS, what has Michael Jackson "death" to do with the texts you are posting? :Pulling_hair: :computer-losy-smiley:
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@use_your_illusion: you are such a sweetheart to try and help me get it better! Thank you for the effort of writing all that!! :bearhug:
I see that we are both on "the same page" of not getting pretty much anything of it!
My only possible way of understanding these signs posted by TS is that we don't have to take them literally, they must somehow represent symbolically the death hoax and the return of Michael! it's all an allegory I guess!!
But in order to get the hidden meaning related to the hoax, we must somehow understand the literal meaning of those texts!! Which for me it's impossible! I mean it's very hard to even read all that, let alone understanding it! But IDK I think that once we manage to grasp the meaning of the actual text, we will be able to "visualize" the parallels to the death hoax!
So far the only parallels that i could "SEE" are these:
- nobody knows when the BAM will be (BAM of Michael equals the second coming of Christ here)
- the beLIEvers know there will be a BAM but they don't know when
- the non-beLIEvers will be fully SHOCKED when Michael returns very much ALIVE (just like the unfaithful people were panicked when they saw that Noah was right!! and they started running on the top of the mountains to save their lives, that's pretty much how the non-believers and Michael's haters will feel like when Michael returns ALIVE and victorious!)
- Just like ADI thinks, I also beLIEve that the terms highlighted in colors and everything are an important CLUE! I think this is precisely why TS took the effort of putting this sign into a PDF format even with the risk of most of us not being able to download that! He wanted to make sure we realize the importance of those COLORED terms.
- Those words colored do not make any sense to us for now... I guess we should just keep that in mind for now and in the near future we will be able to correlate/connect them with the next clues/event that we will receive. It's all a puzzle , remember? and we gradually receive some pieces of it...and sometimes certain pieces don't seem to fit , until the next time we receive some more pieces!
Well that's what I could understand so far... and most probably I'm wrong !! lol
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My guess about Michael's comeback timing:
1- November 27th' 2012: BAM (Thursday - middle of the week)
2- November 29th' 2012: TS' 7th Sign
3- November 30th' 2012: 30th Thriller Anniversary + Thriller 3D movie release
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Daniel 9: 26 "After the sixty-two 'sevens,' the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. "
Daniel 9:27 "He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing [of the temple] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. "
@Ellyd ..you was fast...i was going to post that too... :LolLolLolLol:
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Hiya, all!
after quick reading that pdf, I have a question It seems to me, that what I read between lines and, seeing the political debates going on, that some of the parts referred in to the pdf and before, could lead to some kind of "mormon profecy" that many are waiting for.
The mormons believe that Israelites must return to their land and then "the father" would come to eart (they also believe that they are the chosen to rule the world because they are some kind of reincarnated spirits from the past. A bit odd, considering that Romney, who is a mormon, could become the next USA president :over-react-smiley:) )
TS, what has Michael Jackson "death" to do with the texts you are posting? :Pulling_hair: :computer-losy-smiley:
hi gema, good to see you. where does your info on what mormons believe come from? not criticizing just wondering if it is a source you can post for us . one thing i have found to be an added perk about this site is having the opportunity to learn more about jw via aussie and ford, muslim by sarahli and others so it would be great to learn about mormons also . i was actually reading something a week or so ago about their views but did not see any mention of what you stated. have to look at all sources right. i have wondered from time to time if what we were looking at in ts post could be coming from a mormon point of view , i have even had one in mind i thought it could be from time to time. :icon_lol: :suspect:
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Hi!!! :bearhug: good to read you too.
Well, long story short, maaaaaaaaany years ago I had a friend who was a mormon (or she thought so) and "Elmer", her teacher, told me about their beliefs. The guy mentioned that their faith would take over one day and blah blah (by coincidence, every sect say that they hold the so called truth and the "fadah" is returning), so i just thought about it. Mainly now that we are having the political debates going on.
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Bec I'm going back in time and with your 70 days calculation I came up with something interesting...
voice: the 8th 70 day period is over January 4th-6th.
If you count from Murray's last court "thing" it's 1/4/11 exactly. If you count precisely (which I'm more inclined too as the dates tend to be soft every 3rd period or so, and vary from 4-6 days or so. Example, Murray court 8/23/10 to Murray judges meet 10/26/10 was only 64 days. The equivalent 70 period when counted exact was 8/19/10-10/28/10. This was the 7th 70 day period.)
Here's the exact periods, 70 days apart:
6/25/09-9/3/09
-11/12/09
-1/21/10
-4/1/10
-6/10/10
-8/19/10
-10/28/10 490th day of the hoax, 7x70 days or 70 weeks.
-1/6/10
-3/15/2011
-5/24/2011
-8/2/2011 [8/11/2011 will be the 777th day of the hoax]
-10/11/2011
god i hope i don't need to calculate beyond that <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
Here's the hoax periods:
6/25/09-9/3/09, 70 days, "death"-"burial"
-11/12/09, 70 days, last day of 2 week run for TII in theaters
-1/25/10, 74 days, 7 month anniversary of hoax
-4/5/10, 70 days Murray arrested/formal charges (1st court date)
-6/14/10, 70 days, Murray's 2nd court date
-8/23/10, 70 days, Murray's 3rd court date
-10/26/10, 64 days, Murray lawyers meet with the judge to request fluid samples
-1/4/10, 70 days, Murray prelim trial begins
I started with Michael's birthday 2011 and counted 70 days onwards, not sure yet all date meanings but after 7x it ends at December 31.
August 29, 2011 --- and of course 70 weeks later is Dec. 31
Monday, November 7, 2011 CM sentencing
+70 -Monday, January 16, 2012
... March 26, 2012
... June 4, 2012
... August 13, 2012
... October 22, 2012 Front posted will you be there? video
... December 31, 2012
I posted this song back in March because my feeling is that part of this hoax is about forgiveness. :icon_question:
This artist describes how he came to write the song. Maybe a clue idk. :icon_mrgreen:
http://7x70.chrisaugustmusic.com/
/ Re: Songs you listen to during this period
« on: March 17, 2012, 05:32:58 AM »
Matthew 18:21-22 also = 7
Peter came and said to Him, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?” Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.”
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OzO5MTSssqM[/youtube]
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hi gema, good to see you. where does your info on what mormons believe come from? not criticizing just wondering if it is a source you can post for us . one thing i have found to be an added perk about this site is having the opportunity to learn more about jw via aussie and ford, muslim by sarahli and others so it would be great to learn about mormons also . i was actually reading something a week or so ago about their views but did not see any mention of what you stated. have to look at all sources right. i have wondered from time to time if what we were looking at in ts post could be coming from a mormon point of view , i have even had one in mind i thought it could be from time to time. :icon_lol: :suspect:
Cool, most glad you did. :icon_e_smile:
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Bec I'm going back in time and with your 70 days calculation I came up with something interesting...
voice: the 8th 70 day period is over January 4th-6th.
If you count from Murray's last court "thing" it's 1/4/11 exactly. If you count precisely (which I'm more inclined too as the dates tend to be soft every 3rd period or so, and vary from 4-6 days or so. Example, Murray court 8/23/10 to Murray judges meet 10/26/10 was only 64 days. The equivalent 70 period when counted exact was 8/19/10-10/28/10. This was the 7th 70 day period.)
Here's the exact periods, 70 days apart:
6/25/09-9/3/09
-11/12/09
-1/21/10
-4/1/10
-6/10/10
-8/19/10
-10/28/10 490th day of the hoax, 7x70 days or 70 weeks.
-1/6/10
-3/15/2011
-5/24/2011
-8/2/2011 [8/11/2011 will be the 777th day of the hoax]
-10/11/2011
god i hope i don't need to calculate beyond that <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
Here's the hoax periods:
6/25/09-9/3/09, 70 days, "death"-"burial"
-11/12/09, 70 days, last day of 2 week run for TII in theaters
-1/25/10, 74 days, 7 month anniversary of hoax
-4/5/10, 70 days Murray arrested/formal charges (1st court date)
-6/14/10, 70 days, Murray's 2nd court date
-8/23/10, 70 days, Murray's 3rd court date
-10/26/10, 64 days, Murray lawyers meet with the judge to request fluid samples
-1/4/10, 70 days, Murray prelim trial begins
I started with Michael's birthday 2011 and counted 70 days onwards, not sure yet all date meanings but after 7x it ends at December 31.
August 29, 2011 --- and of course 70 weeks later is Dec. 31
Monday, November 7, 2011 CM sentencing
+70 -Monday, January 16, 2012
... March 26, 2012
... June 4, 2012
... August 13, 2012
... October 22, 2012 Front posted will you be there? video
... December 31, 2012
I posted this song back in March because my feeling is that part of this hoax is about forgiveness. :icon_question:
This artist describes how he came to write the song. Maybe a clue idk. :icon_mrgreen:
http://7x70.chrisaugustmusic.com/
/ Re: Songs you listen to during this period
« on: March 17, 2012, 05:32:58 AM »
Matthew 18:21-22 also = 7
Peter came and said to Him, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?” Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.”
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OzO5MTSssqM[/youtube]
Thanks Mindseye for all your work. That's interesting that the end of 70 weeks would be December 31,2012.
I was thinking that Michael would be starting week 71 because of ambulance 71. Do you think week 71 would start on 1/1/13 ? Would it actually be a week or seven years ?
Or maybe the 71st week started on June 25, 2009 when the ambulance 71 took off ? Three and a half years from June 25, 2009 would be around 12/25/12. That's about the middle of the seven year period. Then we only have another 3.5 years to work together to "get it right".
I'm leaning toward the idea that June 25,2009 started the 71st week. I could be completely wrong. Why was the number 71 used ? Were there other reasons that I don't know about ?
Thanks everyone. :icon_e_geek:
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You are going way back in time with the 70 day theory. Good memory mindseye and thanks for the shout out :icon_e_smile:
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@Ellyd: thank you for having posted that selection of all the colored words from TS post!
Suddenly it reminded me of this ---> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=433086303415059&set=pb.197418280315197.-2207520000.1351470097&type=3&theater
And this ---> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=433100923413597&set=pb.197418280315197.-2207520000.1351470097&type=3&permPage=1
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MJonMind you make good points. TS mentions the first coming and the end of the world but not the second coming. That's because the second coming is supposed to happen during the end times. We could be at the end times right now. So that is what this is all about. "This Is It" The second coming.
:michael_jackson-1135:
Notice the red shirt. TS highlighted the words Jesus,me,he,Messiah in red.
"This Is It"
"Here I am"
"I'm the light of the world"
"I feel grand"
Love You All
If I leave for a while it's because I lost power due to the Hurricane coming. Hurricane Sandy. It's a high wind warning, state of emergency starting tomorrow at 2:00.
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Stay safe, dontwalkaway, we've all been hearing about how bad that storm might be.
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If I leave for a while it's because I lost power due to the Hurricane coming. Hurricane Sandy. It's a high wind warning, state of emergency starting tomorrow at 2:00.
Same for me... I'm in southeastern maryland. Storm is supposed to hit tomorrow and tuesday... Hold my hand Dontwalkaway!! We'll make it through! :errrr: :errrr:
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Stay safe what it is said that this hurricane is horrible, in the Caribbean left 65 people dead, mostly in Haiti, ....until when Haiti :icon_e_confused:
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@use_your_illusion: you are such a sweetheart to try and help me get it better! Thank you for the effort of writing all that!! :bearhug:
I see that we are both on "the same page" of not getting pretty much anything of it!
My only possible way of understanding these signs posted by TS is that we don't have to take them literally, they must somehow represent symbolically the death hoax and the return of Michael! it's all an allegory I guess!!
But in order to get the hidden meaning related to the hoax, we must somehow understand the literal meaning of those texts!! Which for me it's impossible! I mean it's very hard to even read all that, let alone understanding it! But IDK I think that once we manage to grasp the meaning of the actual text, we will be able to "visualize" the parallels to the death hoax!
So far the only parallels that i could "SEE" are these:
- nobody knows when the BAM will be (BAM of Michael equals the second coming of Christ here)
- the beLIEvers know there will be a BAM but they don't know when
- the non-beLIEvers will be fully SHOCKED when Michael returns very much ALIVE (just like the unfaithful people were panicked when they saw that Noah was right!! and they started running on the top of the mountains to save their lives, that's pretty much how the non-believers and Michael's haters will feel like when Michael returns ALIVE and victorious!)
- Just like ADI thinks, I also beLIEve that the terms highlighted in colors and everything are an important CLUE! I think this is precisely why TS took the effort of putting this sign into a PDF format even with the risk of most of us not being able to download that! He wanted to make sure we realize the importance of those COLORED terms.
- Those words colored do not make any sense to us for now... I guess we should just keep that in mind for now and in the near future we will be able to correlate/connect them with the next clues/event that we will receive. It's all a puzzle , remember? and we gradually receive some pieces of it...and sometimes certain pieces don't seem to fit , until the next time we receive some more pieces!
Well that's what I could understand so far... and most probably I'm wrong !! lol
Haha, I can only see what the literal meaning is, not good at looking deeper than that :over-react-smiley:
What do you think the highlighted words mean?
@Mindseye :th_bravo:
@Ellyd thanks it's easier to see now
@DWA and @Katy keep safe and update when you get time :icon_e_smile:
My guess about Michael's comeback timing:
1- November 27th' 2012: BAM (Thursday - middle of the week)
2- November 29th' 2012: TS' 7th Sign
3- November 30th' 2012: 30th Thriller Anniversary + Thriller 3D movie release
Why November 27th? Ya know somethin' :suspect: :icon_e_surprised: :icon_lol:
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DWA, Katy, and anyone else affected-- I hope you’ll be okay and Sandy won’t do much damage. :bowdown: :errrr:
DWA
Thanks Mindseye for all your work. That's interesting that the end of 70 weeks would be December 31,2012.
I was thinking that Michael would be starting week 71 because of ambulance 71. Do you think week 71 would start on 1/1/13 ? Would it actually be a week or seven years ?
Or maybe the 71st week started on June 25, 2009 when the ambulance 71 took off ? Three and a half years from June 25, 2009 would be around 12/25/12. That's about the middle of the seven year period. Then we only have another 3.5 years to work together to "get it right".
I like this, and it makes me think of TS’s words in Sign #1.
It should also be clearly stated at this point that the world will not end on 12-21-2012; but it will end shortly after 2012! How long is “shortly”? Nobody knows a specific date; but it will probably be withinthe next few years (nobody living on earth now is going to grow old, unless you’re nearly there already). How can we be sure that this is true? If you keep watching, you will learn how, soon enough.
That sounds like about 3 1/2 years from Dec. 25, 12, which would be June 25, 2016 for ‘actual’ EOW when ‘young people won’t grow old’.
You know how the Anti-christ is supposed to come at mid-way in the traditional millennialist Christian interpretation, but TS is saying the 70th week is already fulfilled. Maybe he’s saying that if MJ comes back as in Bam, after 3 ½ years, we should not view him as the Anti-christ, because of this.
Mindseye and Bec, good ideas about the 70 day periods, which could be reminders.
Sim, love your parallels you “see” about the Bam being the ‘Second coming’. Yep, bang on. And I loved that video of MJ talking about Invincible. MJ also talked about Carlos Santana, who is the man who called him, 'Archangel Michael'.
Ellyd, thanks for collecting the colored words. It makes it very clear to me what TS is stating--exactly what Sign #1 was saying-- Michael the Archangel=Jesus, and Michael=The Archangel.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/sign6cefe.jpg)
It also seems to be saying TS is Michael-- "me", which I've mostly thought from the first appearing of TS which right from the redirects had Scripture woven through.
"This is it", is not only the EOW but the Second Coming of the Christ which means "the annointed one". Now Sony was the one to first introduce the coming sequel to TII, as 'This is also it', where we gotten to know TS. Bonnie Cox says that Sony is part of NWO thus evil, thus not the true MJ but a fake substitute, and that this coming MJ will be the Anti-christ.
SOOOOOOOOOOOOO, as layers, twists and turns, cliff-hangers, climaxes, THIS whole scenario is a humongous Thriller, ARG, story to end all stories! I stand completely in amazement! :bowdown: :michael_jackson-1135:
Who is truly deceived, and who is truly knowing the truth, about who is good and who is evil???? Again cue the going mad music. :icon_eek: :errrr: :icon_razz: :icon_twisted: :icon_geek: :suspect: :icon_cry: :icon_lol::Crash:
All I know for sure, is that I love you Michael! Everything else IDK.
Gema, MJ has been mentioning and hinting at this Biblical connection all throughout his lyrics from way back to Thriller, the "Beast", so it is definitely NOT a stretch to connect TS's Signs to MJ's hoax. IMO
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We need to take the Signs literally. If you would look at how much work "The Sign" puts into these signs, and if you have read them all it is a clear warning about the future and as MJ's Army of Love we need to be ready!! They're called "signs" for a reason. :icon_razz:
And I will do my best to stay safe and update! Things are mostly calm outside besides a regular storm but it's still early in the morning, by afternoon it will be overtop my city, if I do not log on for some days dont worry it might just mean my power is out unfortunately it goes out pretty often in storms. :over-react-smiley:
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Bec I'm going back in time and with your 70 days calculation I came up with something interesting...
voice: the 8th 70 day period is over January 4th-6th.
If you count from Murray's last court "thing" it's 1/4/11 exactly. If you count precisely (which I'm more inclined too as the dates tend to be soft every 3rd period or so, and vary from 4-6 days or so. Example, Murray court 8/23/10 to Murray judges meet 10/26/10 was only 64 days. The equivalent 70 period when counted exact was 8/19/10-10/28/10. This was the 7th 70 day period.)
Here's the exact periods, 70 days apart:
6/25/09-9/3/09
-11/12/09
-1/21/10
-4/1/10
-6/10/10
-8/19/10
-10/28/10 490th day of the hoax, 7x70 days or 70 weeks.
-1/6/10
-3/15/2011
-5/24/2011
-8/2/2011 [8/11/2011 will be the 777th day of the hoax]
-10/11/2011
god i hope i don't need to calculate beyond that <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
Here's the hoax periods:
6/25/09-9/3/09, 70 days, "death"-"burial"
-11/12/09, 70 days, last day of 2 week run for TII in theaters
-1/25/10, 74 days, 7 month anniversary of hoax
-4/5/10, 70 days Murray arrested/formal charges (1st court date)
-6/14/10, 70 days, Murray's 2nd court date
-8/23/10, 70 days, Murray's 3rd court date
-10/26/10, 64 days, Murray lawyers meet with the judge to request fluid samples
-1/4/10, 70 days, Murray prelim trial begins
I started with Michael's birthday 2011 and counted 70 days onwards, not sure yet all date meanings but after 7x it ends at December 31.
August 29, 2011 --- and of course 70 weeks later is Dec. 31
Monday, November 7, 2011 CM sentencing
+70 -Monday, January 16, 2012
... March 26, 2012
... June 4, 2012
... August 13, 2012
... October 22, 2012 Front posted will you be there? video
... December 31, 2012
I posted this song back in March because my feeling is that part of this hoax is about forgiveness. :icon_question:
This artist describes how he came to write the song. Maybe a clue idk. :icon_mrgreen:
http://7x70.chrisaugustmusic.com/
/ Re: Songs you listen to during this period
« on: March 17, 2012, 05:32:58 AM »
Matthew 18:21-22 also = 7
Peter came and said to Him, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?” Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.”
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OzO5MTSssqM[/youtube]
Thanks Mindseye for all your work. That's interesting that the end of 70 weeks would be December 31,2012.
I was thinking that Michael would be starting week 71 because of ambulance 71. Do you think week 71 would start on 1/1/13 ? Would it actually be a week or seven years ?
Or maybe the 71st week started on June 25, 2009 when the ambulance 71 took off ? Three and a half years from June 25, 2009 would be around 12/25/12. That's about the middle of the seven year period. Then we only have another 3.5 years to work together to "get it right".
I'm leaning toward the idea that June 25,2009 started the 71st week. I could be completely wrong. Why was the number 71 used ? Were there other reasons that I don't know about ?
Thanks everyone. :icon_e_geek:
Hi all, I just read TS Sign # 6 and all comments. IMO we should take into account the color of the text, perhaps today can not connect to give me a real idea of what it means, I will read later.
I like the relationship Dontwalkaway 70 weeks + 1 = 01/01/13! and relationship with the ambulance, I do not think I was even a little.
Thank you all, you helped me Bec, difficult to translate PDF. Everyone, get my love
:bearhug:
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Please Dontwalkaway, Katy and anyone else effected in USA, stay strong,
I will pray for you all. God blessed you.
Good luck :bearhug:
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This may be very off topic, I'm sorry, I'm just brainstorming a little with numbers.
@mindseye, the problem I ran into with the 70 day periods is do you count INcluvely or EXclusively? Inclusive counting is the method TS introduced us to, which counts each day as (1), and doesn't leave out a day, useful for single periods of count, ie burial-->autopsy=7 days. Exclusive counting does not include the final date in the total number, which is useful for counting blocks of days. Day 1-->day 70=69 days, so that day 70 is also Day 1 when proceeding to count your next block of days.
So the only "problem" with counting 490 days from 8/29/2011-->12/31/2012 is that it's exclusive. If you counted inclusively, it is actually 491 days. Exclusive counting indicates that you are not done counting, and if we were looking at a Bam, potentially, I'd expect (ha) that we would be done counting. Of course I have no way of knowing that, I'm only ASSuming that the hoax is the end of MJ's date plans, lol. Perhaps Bamsday will be considered Day One of some other event MJ has planned ahead of time, and the hoax as we know it is NOT all there is in this project, in which case, there is no "problem" with using exclusive counting method after all.
In regards to the choice between using exclusive or inclusive counting methods when theorizing, Front conveniently "helped" us settle the decision by introducing us to "the day of simmering", which always helps satisfy an "extra" day, when torn between deciding which counting method should be used.
That said, I am reminded of the 9282 days thing. 9282 days from MJ's B-day (8/29/1958) to the date of the Pepsi fire (1/27/1984), which is actually the 9283rd day... also day 1 of the next period, which is Pepsi fire-->"death" (6/25/09) which falls on the 9282nd day of the second period. This is legitimate manner of counting because you should only count each day once, not twice, as exclusive counting method would have you do when recording blocks of days, which would be inaccurate. Exclusive counting should be used carefully for this reason.
So let's calculate a little. Using this counting template, 11/24/2012, which is fast approaching, is the end of 2 1361 day periods, which started with MJ's acquittal in 2005. Let me explain a little more. Day one would be the day the Not Guilty verdict was handed down (6/13/2005). Counting forward from there, there are 1361 days until the O2 announcement in 2009 on 3/5/09, which is actually day 1362, or day one of the second period. Counting forward from 3/5/09, the 1361st day is 11/24/2012, which makes the O2 announcement the exact halfway point between MJ's acquittal in 2005 and this day which is coming soon.
Layout:
08/29/1958-->01/27/1984 = 9282 days exclusive counting (makes day of Pepsi fire day 9283 or day ONE, and it is not counted twice)
01/27/1984-->06/25/2009 = 9282 days inclusive counting (both days of Pepsi fire and "death" are counted, but each day is counted only once)
compare to:
06/13/2005--> 03/05/2009 = 1361 days exclusive counting (makes day of O2 announcement day 1362 or day ONE)
03/05/2009--> 11/24/2012 = 1361 days inclusive counting
Incidentally, 3/5/09-->6/25/09 (O2-->death) = 16 weeks exactly, Thursday to Thursday. I think that discovery might be new. I don't remember ever knowing that before.
Even more incidentally, 9282 days is 1326 weeks exactly; MJ's day of birth to the Pepsi accident, Friday to Friday = 1326 weeks.
So that maybe makes these calculations interesting:
06/25/2009--> 11/29/2012 = 179 weeks exactly, Thursday to Thursday. 179 weeks is also (17) 70 day periods + 63 days or + 9 weeks.
06/25/2009--> 12/04/2012 = 180 weeks exactly, (18) 70 day periods exactly, Thursday to Thursday, 1260 days.
Does it mean anything? Who knows. They're numerically notable days that are coming up.
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Bec, very interesting!
06/25/2009--> 12/04/2012 = 180 weeks exactly, (18) 70 day periods exactly, Thursday to Thursday, 1260 days.
1260 days is a Biblical time period. 42 months or 3.5 years (!) - all the months having 30 days. There is mentions of the 1260 days both in Daniel and Revelations. :icon_eek:
I just found this:
Biblical use of the 1260 day/years
Daniel 7.25
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
A Time = 1 year
Times = 2 years
Dividing of Times = 1/2 year.
360 X 3 =1080 180 = 1260
Daniel 12.7
And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
Rev. 11.2
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
Rev. 11.3
And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Forty two months = 42 X 30 = 1260
Two hundred and threescore = 1260
Rev. 12.6
And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Rev. 12.14
And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Rev. 13.5,8
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months...and all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
This same power depicted as controlling religious affairs for 1260 years, will again arise. It's deadly wound healed. Together with the "power of the dragon" and "force of the second beast" the world will be brought to a crises. (See Rev. 13) Therefore it is imperative that we understand this issue.
From here and there's more to read - http://dedication.www3.50megs.com/dan/1260.html
(The 1260 days from June 25th has been my own little bamsday date that I've had in the back of my mind for quite a while now)
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This may be very off topic, I'm sorry, I'm just brainstorming a little with numbers.
@mindseye, the problem I ran into with the 70 day periods is do you count INcluvely or EXclusively? Inclusive counting is the method TS introduced us to, which counts each day as (1), and doesn't leave out a day, useful for single periods of count, ie burial-->autopsy=7 days. Exclusive counting does not include the final date in the total number, which is useful for counting blocks of days. Day 1-->day 70=69 days, so that day 70 is also Day 1 when proceeding to count your next block of days.
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So that maybe makes these calculations interesting:
06/25/2009--> 11/29/2012 = 179 weeks exactly, Thursday to Thursday. 179 weeks is also (17) 70 day periods + 63 days or + 9 weeks.
06/25/2009--> 12/04/2012 = 180 weeks exactly, (18) 70 day periods exactly, Thursday to Thursday, 1260 days.
Does it mean anything? Who knows. They're numerically notable days that are coming up.
Interesting!
Yes exclusively and I kept Front’s day of simmering in mind, so would be 71 – which we know 71 is more significant, ambulance, CM verdict date and time.
It is 70 days from the start date to the end date, but not including the end date
From and including: Monday, August 29, 2011
To, but not including : Monday, November 7, 2011
For some reason I had December 6 bookmarked and can’t remember why. Now I see with your 12/04/2012 it had to do with the 1260 days … and this is how it worked out for me:
Using Inclusive…
From and including: Thursday, June 25, 2009
To and including: Thursday, December 6, 2012 It is 1261 days 180 weeks
11/29/11 was the sentencing date. So I thought about 12/12/12 or 12/21/12 from the one year anniversary date 11/29/12 and thought to add 7 days 3x or 21 days.
21 days between not inclusive of either 11/29 and 12/21 ?
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Wow, mindblowing calculations going on. 1260 is a biblical number. A lot of biblical numbers are tied to astrology also. 1260 is a number tied to astrology and the bible. It doesn't seem like a coincidence. Maybe 12/4/12 is significant then ??
check this website out about the bible and astrology. They mention Daniel and also 1260.
www.british-israel.us/25.html
update on Hurricane Sandy- It's 6:00 in upstate NY right now. Windy and rainy but not too bad yet. The wind is getting louder though. I'm holding your hand Katy and others under the storm right now.
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My guess about Michael's comeback timing:
1- November 27th' 2012: BAM (Thursday - middle of the week)
2- November 29th' 2012: TS' 7th Sign
3- November 30th' 2012: 30th Thriller Anniversary + Thriller 3D movie release
Why November 27th? Ya know somethin' :suspect: :icon_e_surprised: :icon_lol:
Yes I know it all, I am Michael in disguise :icon_lol: :LolLolLolLol:
it's because 27th is in the middle of the week, just guessing that's all, anyway any day will be ok to me.....Michael please let me know before you BAM just to be ready!! :michael_jackson-1135:
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So I can't forget the fact that the ambulance 71 was going backwards.......why? I have no idea, other than I have always believed it was done for a reason.
Going on that....count backwards from June 25, 2009. I get a couple of interesting things.
Subtracting 71 weeks from June 25, 2009 =
Thursday February 14, 2008 (Valentine's Day...it's all for love)...also this article appears:
Michael Jackson: $30 Million Offer to Play London
Written By Roger Friedman
Published February 14, 2008
FoxNews
Michael Jackson had better wake up and smell the coffee. He’s got a real, solid, $1 million-a-night offer on the table to play London’s Millennium Dome.
AEG Live, as I told you a few weeks ago, wants Jackson to play its Millennium Dome in London. Sources tell me they’ve made him an extraordinary offer.
The deal that’s been offered could total up to $30 million. It begins with a $10 million guarantee for 10 nights, with a maximum of 30 nights adding up to $30 million.
The first grouping is all he has to do, though, just those 10 shows. With bump-ups, etc., he could gross around $17 million.
It’s not a hard show to do, either. The proposal, as I’ve been told, is for Jackson to stage his bestselling album "Thriller" from beginning to end at each show. Then, for encores, he would add in several hits from "Off the Wall" and other albums.
The catch: These shows must be completed by the end of 2008, to coincide with the 25th anniversary of the album. The promoters originally thought it could happen this spring, but they’ve revised their plans to the fall.
"Thriller 25" — with tracks remixed by Akon, will.i.am and others — was released Tuesday and is said to be selling very well. Hitsdailydouble.com predicts the package could sell between 90,000 and 120,000 copies.
Not bad for a 25-year-old recording.
This whole deal for Jackson to perform at the Millennium Dome is tricky. I’m told the AEG people really wanted Jackson to make some kind of appearance at the Grammys on Sunday to drum up excitement.
"He was too scared," a source said. "He was nervous about tripping or doing something wrong. He’s paranoid. He’s got to get over it."
But $30 million — which is more like $15 million after taxes — is better than Jackson could hope for, considering his financial situation. Recently, Barclays and HSBC banks worked with Sony Music to refinance Jackson’s massive $300 million loan from Fortress Investments.
But Fortress still has a $23 million lien on Jackson’s Neverland property. That loan is separate from the aforementioned one and is in default. Fortress could foreclose at any time.
The AEG offer should pique Michael’s interest for other reasons, too. If he can complete the 30-concert run, he’d beat Prince’s record of 21 shows. And, sources say, Prince didn’t clear the $1 million-a-night take. Why?
"He charged 31.21 British sterling per show. He got the number from the album that was out at the time, called "3121." And that was taken from his address. And the numbers added up to seven, which he also liked."
Luckily, Michael Jackson has no address at this time, so that shouldn’t be a problem.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,330657,00.html#ixzz2AjNwtXrz
Subtracting months = July 25, 2003 .................. any thoughts?
Subtracting years = June 25, 1938:
Interesting correlation to children's safety:
http://todayinlaborhistory.wordpress.com/2012/06/25/june-25-1938/
1938 is also the year Bess Houdini appeared in a film called: Religious Racketeer
(a.k.a. Mystic Circle Murder)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bess_Houdini
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030666/
So....it's interesting.....there always seems to be something when numbers are involved....forwards, backwards....who knows.
At this point it's a waiting game for me.... patience is a virtue, or so they say. I guess by that, we are all virtuous *cough* :fresse:
Blessings Always
@UYI.......I see you are up to your old tricks, lol......yes, you know it all : ) I am sure our buddy, ItsHer, would concur :icon_lol:
Great posts you have going on, by the way....thank you! Yes, it would be nice for a little pre-bam warning to ready ourselves!
Good to see you around.......
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180 weeks exactly would bring us to December 6th, like mindseye said...and it would be a complete '180' to go from 'death' back to life.
I've been stuck on the 1260 day time frame since the beginning of the Signs. I was speaking to someone on the forum about Daniel and Revelations many months ago who helped explain a lot to me which I very much appreciated. I found a nice summary of some of what we spoke of here:
http://www.remnantofgod.org/42-1260.htm
Revelation 13:5 speaks of this time as forty two months. "...and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months." The forty two months of Rev 13:5 and the "time, and times and dividing a time" of Daniel 7:25 equal the same thing. 42 months = "3 1/2 years" A "time (one year) and times (+ two years) and the dividing of time, (+ half a year ) = three and a half years, or forty two months (12+24 + 6 = 42 months) And then Revelation 12:6 confirms this when it says that the church of Jesus would hide in the wilderness for exactly 1260 days. 42 months, or 3 and a half years equals 1260 days. Still, some will say that 42 months does NOT equal 1260 days because all our months do not equal 30 days each. The fact here is, prophecy speaks of Biblical months. To understand the forty and two months, or the time, and times and diving a time, that the beast will reign, we must first find the method of time the Bible declares for prophecy. God says in Ezekiel 4:6 "I have appointed thee each day for a year" And we also find the Bible acknowledges a month to be 30 days long. Because in, Genesis 7:11 we see the rain started on the 17 day of the 2nd month and in Genesis 8:3,4 we find the water receded at the end of 150 days, then it says the ark rested on the 17th day of the 7th month. That's exactly 5 months to the day. If we divide the 150 days by the 5 months you get 30 days per month. So 42 months multiplied by 30 equals 1260. And according to Ezekiel 4:6, that's 1260 years that Papal Rome would reign.
"Vigilius...ascended the papal chair (538 A.D.) under the military protection of Belisarius." History of the Christian Church, Vol. 3, p. 327
Historical records reveal the papacy began its reign in 538 AD[/b] upon Emperor Justinian's decree, and under the military protection of Belisarius. And the Bible says the beast will rule for EXACTLY 1260 years before receiving a mortal wound. Now it's just a matter of simple mathematics. It is also a grand method by which to see the Lord glorified. If the prophecy is correct, 1260 years after 538 AD the Beast must receive a mortal wound. If you add 1260 years to the beginning year for the Roman Catholic church, 538 AD, you will arrive in the year 1798 AD. So, according to the Bible we are told the first reign of the Beast will last till the year 1798 . So, did it end in 1798, and how? First understand, according to the prophecy, we learn that, "He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword..." Revelation 13:10.
The prophecy is telling us that the beast would be destroyed with the sword (sword = military) at the end of its reign of exactly 1260 years. Did this happen to Papal Rome in 1798...? YES IT DID! On February 10th Napoleon Bonaparte in that EXACT year 1798 A.D. sent his General Louis Alexandre Berthier, with his army into Rome, Italy. It is recorded... "In 1798 General Berthier made his entrance into Rome, abolished the papal government, and established a secular one." -Encyclopedia Britannica 1941 edition
That's Exactly 42 prophetic months, or 1260 years, or a time, and times, and dividing a time after the Papacy began its powerful reign that the Pope "shall go into captivity" by the military! By the way, shortly after his captivity the Pope did in fact die, in exile.
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BTW why are we counting the 1260 days from 6/25/2009? we all had a very clear message from Michael in his memorial "soon and very soon we will see the King" what if we count it from 7/7/2009 so 7/7/2009 + 1260 days = 12/18/2012, BAM? :confused:
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Sunset, I'd would think Nov. 28, for, "See you next Wednesday!" (Thriller)
Bec, Andrea and Mindseye, love your number crunching! The close difference between 1361 and 1260 (1000 + 1), certainly keep us from nailing down a date as Nov 24/Dec 6?, which adds to the mystery, or 70, 71, 490, etc. for that matter. Andrea, the fact that millions have studied those Biblical numbers/dates in day=year for 2000 years, just helps to muddy the waters, and tire the mind. I would love to see a number or proofs that clearly bridge the Bible to MJ, just as TS shows the historical accuracy of the 70 weeks fulfilled by Jesus, precisely from the giving of the law to rebuild Jerusalem of Artaxerses to the stoning of Stephen.
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Sunset, I'd would think Nov. 28, for, "See you next Wednesday!" (Thriller)
Bec, Andrea and Mindseye, love your number crunching! The close difference between 1361 and 1260 (1000 + 1), certainly keep us from nailing down a date as Nov 24/Dec 6?, which adds to the mystery, or 70, 71, 490, etc. for that matter. Andrea, the fact that millions have studied those Biblical numbers/dates in day=year for 2000 years, just helps to muddy the waters, and tire the mind. I would love to see a number or proofs that clearly bridge the Bible to MJ, just as TS shows the historical accuracy of the 70 weeks fulfilled by Jesus, precisely from the giving of the law to rebuild Jerusalem of Artaxerses to the stoning of Stephen.
I have learned a great deal from the Signs but I would love to see that too. Or at least how, exactly, the Signs relate to MJ's hoax. It's easy to draw parallels but there must be more than that.
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Sunset, I'd would think Nov. 28, for, "See you next Wednesday!" (Thriller)
Although I have given up trying to figure out possible BAM dates because I always let myself down by doing so, I thought this was interesting after reading your post MJonmind and also the posts about Thriller II...........
.....just like in the original Thriller short film, Wednesday November 28th 2012 is a full moon :icon_cool:
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It took me hours to get this straight enough to post and I'm cross eyed by now and just need to hit post, so if it doesn't make sense to anyone, or if it's off topic by now, I'm sorry.
@mindseye, I was counting 70 day periods by adding 70 to each subsequent date and I arrived at 12/4/2012 as the end of the 18th 70 day period. Inclusive would be 12/5 as day 1260 by that count.
I use this program: http://www.timeanddate.com/date/duration.html
The confusion is when you add 1260 days directly to 6/25/09 and select to have the end date included it gives you 12/6/2012. So does that means I lost a day somewhere in my 2010 calculations? The 12/4/12 exclusive count calculation was based on my last recorded date from the 70 day theory (the one I hoped I didn't need to count past LOL!), 10/11/2011. I double checked all the math and no, I think the confusion lies with the Add to or Subtract from a Date program on that site, and probably similar applications on other date counting sites.
Because I calculate the "duration" between 6/25/09 and 12/6/2012 and I come up with 1261 days inclusive so that would make 1260 days on the 5th inclusive.
It's confusing and this is where the numbers start to make me go crazy. I had no idea 1260 was a Biblical period of time, much less that it was prophesied in Daniel. I think these numbers are even more interesting now that I do (thank you, Andrea).
I think the confusion between 12/5 and 12/6 is the same lesson TS taught us back in 09 with the 9/3-9/9 burial-autopsy=7 days; when people (and computer programs) add a number of days to a date, it is typical to begin counting the day after the original or target date as "day 1", 2 days later as "day 2", because the calculation is xx/xx/xx + [in addition to] xx days= total). So to get an accurate count, you have to add 1259 days to 6/25/09 (day One) to get an inclusive total of 1260 days. December 6th would be 1261 days inclusive.
12/5/2012 will be the 1260th day of the hoax, a count that includes (inclusive) day One, 6/25/09.
HOWEVER, it is also true that Thursday, 12/6/2012 will be 180 weeks total since MJ died (and 1260 days since).
Because a week=7days, and after 6/25/09, the following Thursday was one week since MJ died, not one week AND one day. That would make no sense so you would never refer to that time period as such. You would say it had been one week. The next morning you would say one week and one day... etc.
So, much like 8/10/11 and 8/11/11 were both significant for 777 day; 8/10/2011 was day 777 and 8/11/2011 was 111 weeks, both of these days, 12/5/12 and 12/6/12 of significance are approaching.
(Ps. remember the 9282 days thing? Pepsi Fire? The Pepsi incident occurred on the 9283rd day, or Day 1 of the second half of MJ's life. :icon_e_wink:
Also:
Friday, 8/29/58--> Friday, 1/27/84 = 9283 days inclusive, 1326 weeks [birth-Pepsi fire]
Thursday 3/5/09--> Thursday, 6/25/09 = 113 days inclusive, 16 weeks [O2-death]
Thursday, 6/25/09--> Thursday, 9/3/09 = 71 days inclusive, 10 weeks [death-burial]
Thursday, 6/25/09--> Thursday, 12/6/12 = 1261 days inclusive, 180 weeks [death-who knows])
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Makes sense to me, bec.
December 6, 2012 = 1260 days ( +1 day of simmering)
Front: "Do NOT forget the 1 day of Simmering, for it is a consequential and VITAL ingredient of the recipe---Past, Present & Future! Look for it............"
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My guess about Michael's comeback timing:
1- November 27th' 2012: BAM (Thursday - middle of the week)
2- November 29th' 2012: TS' 7th Sign
3- November 30th' 2012: 30th Thriller Anniversary + Thriller 3D movie release
Why November 27th? Ya know somethin' :suspect: :icon_e_surprised: :icon_lol:
Yes I know it all, I am Michael in disguise :icon_lol: :LolLolLolLol:
it's because 27th is in the middle of the week, just guessing that's all, anyway any day will be ok to me.....Michael please let me know before you BAM just to be ready!! :michael_jackson-1135:
:icon_lol: Wazzup my moonwalking friend?
@MJ yeah can we get an exclusive, promise we won't tell (http://www.dreamstime.com/zipper-emoticon-thumb18701658.jpg)
@UYI.......I see you are up to your old tricks, lol......yes, you know it all : ) I am sure our buddy, ItsHer, would concur :icon_lol:
Great posts you have going on, by the way....thank you! Yes, it would be nice for a little pre-bam warning to ready ourselves!
Good to see you around.......
Umm noooo (http://www.abandonia.com/vbullet/images/smilies/generic/whistling) :icon_lol: Where is she anyway? No I don't know everything, but most of it yes...lol, JKS
Thank you Wishing, it's good to see you as well and I ALWAYS love your posts. Yeah I'm trying to read the threads as much as I can while I study for exams, I still have 3 to go and they finish on November 16th so I won't be on here as much or post as much.
Yes it would be nice to get a pre-bam warning just for the mere fact I don't want to miss out on the BAM. Oh and FYI @MJ please don't BAM on Nov 5-7 or Nov 16th, I have exams, Sincerely UYI. :icon_geek:
@Andrea and @Bec, so are you saying, by your calculations December 6 is a potential BAM date?
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I'm not saying nothin.
I'm just sayin'.
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Ditto what bec said, lol.
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It took me hours to get this straight enough to post and I'm cross eyed by now and just need to hit post, so if it doesn't make sense to anyone, or if it's off topic by now, I'm sorry.
@mindseye, I was counting 70 day periods by adding 70 to each subsequent date and I arrived at 12/4/2012 as the end of the 18th 70 day period. Inclusive would be 12/5 as day 1260 by that count.
I use this program: http://www.timeanddate.com/date/duration.html
The confusion is when you add 1260 days directly to 6/25/09 and select to have the end date included it gives you 12/6/2012. So does that means I lost a day somewhere in my 2010 calculations? The 12/4/12 exclusive count calculation was based on my last recorded date from the 70 day theory (the one I hoped I didn't need to count past LOL!), 10/11/2011. I double checked all the math and no, I think the confusion lies with the Add to or Subtract from a Date program on that site, and probably similar applications on other date counting sites.
Because I calculate the "duration" between 6/25/09 and 12/6/2012 and I come up with 1261 days inclusive so that would make 1260 days on the 5th inclusive.
It's confusing and this is where the numbers start to make me go crazy. I had no idea 1260 was a Biblical period of time, much less that it was prophesied in Daniel. I think these numbers are even more interesting now that I do (thank you, Andrea).
I think the confusion between 12/5 and 12/6 is the same lesson TS taught us back in 09 with the 9/3-9/9 burial-autopsy=7 days; when people (and computer programs) add a number of days to a date, it is typical to begin counting the day after the original or target date as "day 1", 2 days later as "day 2", because the calculation is xx/xx/xx + [in addition to] xx days= total). So to get an accurate count, you have to add 1259 days to 6/25/09 (day One) to get an inclusive total of 1260 days. December 6th would be 1261 days inclusive.
12/5/2012 will be the 1260th day of the hoax, a count that includes (inclusive) day One, 6/25/09.
HOWEVER, it is also true that Thursday, 12/6/2012 will be 180 weeks total since MJ died (and 1260 days since).
Because a week=7days, and after 6/25/09, the following Thursday was one week since MJ died, not one week AND one day. That would make no sense so you would never refer to that time period as such. You would say it had been one week. The next morning you would say one week and one day... etc.
So, much like 8/10/11 and 8/11/11 were both significant for 777 day; 8/10/2011 was day 777 and 8/11/2011 was 111 weeks, both of these days, 12/5/12 and 12/6/12 of significance are approaching.
(Ps. remember the 9282 days thing? Pepsi Fire? The Pepsi incident occurred on the 9283rd day, or Day 1 of the second half of MJ's life. :icon_e_wink:
Also:
Friday, 8/29/58--> Friday, 1/27/84 = 9283 days inclusive, 1326 weeks [birth-Pepsi fire]
Thursday 3/5/09--> Thursday, 6/25/09 = 113 days inclusive, 16 weeks [O2-death]
Thursday, 6/25/09--> Thursday, 9/3/09 = 71 days inclusive, 10 weeks [death-burial]
Thursday, 6/25/09--> Thursday, 12/6/12 = 1261 days inclusive, 180 weeks [death-who knows])
Thanks Bec, Andrea and Mindseye, wow you are all very very smart, you all have me numberfied.
Ok so I read your post and I wanted to ask a few questions and clarify a few things:
Your counting 70 days from 25/6/09?
Are you counting 25/6/09 as Day 1?
What is significant about 1260 in the prophesy of Daniel?
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Actually UYI, that IS the date (Dec ~6th) I've had in mind but I don't really "like" predicting BAM dates just because. If it doesn't happen that day, then I DO expect SOMETHING hoax related to happen that day, although what I don't know. But I do have a feeling it will be December...but anytime this year would be great. I think we're as ready as we can be, or nearly anyways.
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What is significant about 1260 in the prophesy of Daniel?
From my understanding, 1260 prophetic days = 1260 literal years. The time period is mentioned 7 times in the Bible prophecies. I really suck at explaining this sort of thing so here is a visual aid that might help. Also take a look at my other two post quotes on the previous page and google it as well for a better understanding.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/1260days.jpg)
From here: http://www.bibleprophecytruth.com/prophecy-resources/bible-prophecy-charts.aspx
There is also a visual of the 70 weeks from the same link.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/70weeks.jpg)
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@Andrea, thank you, I understand it now, you explained it really well :bearhug:
When you put it like that, it's amazing, it all makes sense now, thanks again :icon_razz:
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Makes sense to me, bec.
December 6, 2012 = 1260 days ( +1 day of simmering)
Front: "Do NOT forget the 1 day of Simmering, for it is a consequential and VITAL ingredient of the recipe---Past, Present & Future! Look for it............"
Great quote, and timely.
I'm looking for it I'm looking for it. Everything note worthy happens on the day One after the significantly numbered day. All those dates I listed, also:
death--> burial, 6/25/09->9/3/09 71 days
burial-->last day TII was in theaters, 9/3/09->11/12/09 71 days
last day of TII--> 7 month hoax anniversary, 11/12/09->1/25/09 71 days
7 month hoax anniversary--> Murray's arrest, 1/25/10->4/5/10 71 days
Murray's arrest--> first court date, 4/5/10->6/14/10 71 days
first court date--> second court date, 6/14/10->8/23/10 71 days
second court date-->______(I have no event recorded for 11/1/10), 8/23/10->11/1/10 71 days
11/1/10--> 1/10/11, next day 1/11/11 Murray's Pre-Lim trial ends, 72 days
--1/11/11-->1/25/11 Arraignment = 22 days inclusive, 7+7+7+1 day of simmering.
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Ok so I read your post and I wanted to ask a few questions and clarify a few things:
Your counting 70 days from 25/6/09?
Are you counting 25/6/09 as Day 1?
Yes, 70 day periods starting from 6/25/09/day One.
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Awesome Bec :icon_e_biggrin: That helps. I've been using the same calculator site, but it depends on whether add the extra day.
Both your and Andrea's post got me thinking of other dates, such as December 18, 2003, Jackson was charged, and also noted 9/3/03 was Michael's fan b-day party, the 9/3/09 funeral.
This also caught my attention....
"The word “weeks” here is translated from Strong’s #7620; it is used for a period of seven days—not only
elsewhere in Daniel (10:2,3,13), but also in several other Scriptures (see Leviticus 12:5; Deuteronomy 16:9,10,16;
2 Chronicles 8:13; Ezekiel 45:21; etc). So 69 weeks would be 483 days (69 x 7 = 483)."
So I thought of weeks instead of days for 483 and calculated...
From and including: Wednesday, September 3, 2003
To, but not including : Thursday, December 6, 2012
It is 3382 days also= 7 but if the day was included = 17
483 weeks (rounded down)
but idk :Pulling_hair: 71 21 11 important numbers and nov.29 dec.6, 12, 21 stand out.
And also...
From and including: Thursday, September 3, 2009
To and including: Thursday, December 6, 2012
It is 1191 days = 12
170 weeks
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I just remembered that December 6th is the day MJ collapsed while rehearsing for a live concert that was supposed to be broadcasted world wide to approx 250 million people and he was taken to hospital.
I never knew this but supposedly MJ was 'near death'
The Doctor that helped MJ said;
"Mr. Jackson was in critical condition, Alleyne said. He was dehydrated. He had low blood pressure. He had a rapid heart rate. He was near death."
http://www.thestate.com/2009/07/08/856691/rock-hill-doc-recalls-saving-jackson.html#.UI9Q7sWf5LM
Hmm...I didn't know that MJ was near death I thought he just collapsed and had an irregular heartbeat.
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What year, UYI?
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So that was in 1995 when MJ was to be doing the televised show with Marcel Marceau. I remember the wide spread speculation that Michael was pulling a fast one to get out of that performance.
There sure are a lot of 6's found in that date. 6th December 1995..... 6; 6+6=12;6+6+12=24.
These numbers are sending me crazy.
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What year, UYI?
1995...on December 6th he was rehearsing but was supposed to perform a few days later.
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Why are we trying so hard to prove 2012?
What is the risk of TS being labelled a "fake informer" as to MJ Bam date just in case 2012 does not show the action we would like to see? Hasn't TS been a valid and rich source of knowledge to date? I am sure TS has been called a "fake informer" many times before just for ignorant rejection of the matters he discusses. He risks only to lose contact to hands that would not hold onto a rock anyway.
Would MJ not coming to theaters in 2012 change anything of MJ's very truth?
What about our own very truth? And why would this rich soil need any date of "approval in the flesh"?
It is sure easier to prepare for Christmas and get into Christmas feelings. There is a deep pleasure of preparing for known celebration dates. There's only one strong disadvantage: a day has only 24 hrs and thus a date turns into past quickly. Morning after headache.
What we are witnessing is the "piece by piece" stretching of time for as long as can be. The interesting feature of this journey is: the more we explore, the more we realize we still don't know anything - mystery keeping our breath in exact the shape the master likes it to be. Mind jogging exercises prevent from dementia and growing old, lol. This could go on like forever and we still would not know "how". Some among us even fear the end because we enjoy the journey so much.
As to me, I do not count on any date, not in 2012 or later.
I am constantly preparing my days as if Christmas happened tomorrow. Ha, I fail many times but I keep trying to stay awake.
My time's enrichment is not dependent on any given structure but I take e.g. this out of it: time, structure and awareness are essential for giving value to life. Value is a constitutional basis for love.
We were given a VIP seat in educating ourselves about value while being entertained to the bone. If we would not be constantly given extraordinary value by TS, he would not put so tremendous effort behind his condensed explanations.
I personally do not care whether any date will come true or not or whether we got the dates right.
It is about much more than that I'd say.
All your recaps and calculations are great btw.
Just wanted to add that no matter what, TS will not be a "fake informer" to me, although I am not doing well in Old Testament.
Blessings, much love and safety to all.
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I do believe that Michael was gone on Thursday and will come back on Thursday too so Dec 06th 2012 does make sense to me.
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Value is a constitutional basis for love.
We were given a VIP seat in educating ourselves about value while being entertained to the bone. If we would not be constantly given extraordinary value by TS, he would not put so tremendous effort behind his condensed explanations.
I personally do not care whether any date will come true or not or whether we got the dates right.
It is about much more than that I'd say.
All your recaps and calculations are great btw.
Just wanted to add that no matter what, TS will not be a "fake informer" to me,
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Makes sense to me, bec.
December 6, 2012 = 1260 days ( +1 day of simmering)
Front: "Do NOT forget the 1 day of Simmering, for it is a consequential and VITAL ingredient of the recipe---Past, Present & Future! Look for it............"
Great quote, and timely.
I'm looking for it I'm looking for it. Everything note worthy happens on the day One after the significantly numbered day. All those dates I listed, also:
death--> burial, 6/25/09->9/3/09 71 days
burial-->last day TII was in theaters, 9/3/09->11/12/09 71 days
last day of TII--> 7 month hoax anniversary, 11/12/09->1/25/09 71 days
7 month hoax anniversary--> Murray's arrest, 1/25/10->4/5/10 71 days
Murray's arrest--> first court date, 4/5/10->6/14/10 71 days
first court date--> second court date, 6/14/10->8/23/10 71 days
second court date-->______(I have no event recorded for 11/1/10), 8/23/10->11/1/10 71 days
11/1/10--> 1/10/11, next day 1/11/11 Murray's Pre-Lim trial ends, 72 days
--1/11/11-->1/25/11 Arraignment = 22 days inclusive, 7+7+7+1 day of simmering.
Wow, Great Job Bec. This is amazing and mindblowing. So the 1260 days plus one day of simmering brings us to December 6, 2012. This is also a few weeks short of 42 months. So it seems like were following Daniel's prophesy. I'll go back and see the calculations. Thanks so much for all your work. :icon_razz:
Love You All
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Bec, very interesting!
06/25/2009--> 12/04/2012 = 180 weeks exactly, (18) 70 day periods exactly, Thursday to Thursday, 1260 days.
1260 days is a Biblical time period. 42 months or 3.5 years (!) - all the months having 30 days. There is mentions of the 1260 days both in Daniel and Revelations. :icon_eek:
I just found this:
Biblical use of the 1260 day/years
Daniel 7.25
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
A Time = 1 year
Times = 2 years
Dividing of Times = 1/2 year.
360 X 3 =1080 180 = 1260
Daniel 12.7
And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
Rev. 11.2
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
Rev. 11.3
And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Forty two months = 42 X 30 = 1260
Two hundred and threescore = 1260
Rev. 12.6
And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Rev. 12.14
And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Rev. 13.5,8
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months...and all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
This same power depicted as controlling religious affairs for 1260 years, will again arise. It's deadly wound healed. Together with the "power of the dragon" and "force of the second beast" the world will be brought to a crises. (See Rev. 13) Therefore it is imperative that we understand this issue.
From here and there's more to read - http://dedication.www3.50megs.com/dan/1260.html
(The 1260 days from June 25th has been my own little bamsday date that I've had in the back of my mind for quite a while now)
Didn't the number 18 have significance also ? Didn't Conrad Murray wear that number ? I think it means life or to live. I'll have to look back.
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Makes sense to me, bec.
December 6, 2012 = 1260 days ( +1 day of simmering)
Front: "Do NOT forget the 1 day of Simmering, for it is a consequential and VITAL ingredient of the recipe---Past, Present & Future! Look for it............"
Great quote, and timely.
I'm looking for it I'm looking for it. Everything note worthy happens on the day One after the significantly numbered day. All those dates I listed, also:
death--> burial, 6/25/09->9/3/09 71 days
burial-->last day TII was in theaters, 9/3/09->11/12/09 71 days
last day of TII--> 7 month hoax anniversary, 11/12/09->1/25/09 71 days
7 month hoax anniversary--> Murray's arrest, 1/25/10->4/5/10 71 days
Murray's arrest--> first court date, 4/5/10->6/14/10 71 days
first court date--> second court date, 6/14/10->8/23/10 71 days
second court date-->______(I have no event recorded for 11/1/10), 8/23/10->11/1/10 71 days
11/1/10--> 1/10/11, next day 1/11/11 Murray's Pre-Lim trial ends, 72 days
--1/11/11-->1/25/11 Arraignment = 22 days inclusive, 7+7+7+1 day of simmering.
Wow, Great Job Bec. This is amazing and mindblowing. So the 1260 days plus one day of simmering brings us to December 6, 2012. This is also a few weeks short of 42 months. So it seems like were following Daniel's prophesy. I'll go back and see the calculations. Thanks so much for all your work. :icon_razz:
Love You All
1260 days is 42 months exactly because Biblical months are each 30 days which also works out to be exactly 3.5 years.
Didn't the number 18 have significance also ? Didn't Conrad Murray wear that number ? I think it means life or to live. I'll have to look back.
(http://bossip.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/concrad-crop.jpg?w=600)
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Thanks Andrea that's exactly the picture I was thinking about. The one with Conrad Murray wearing the number 18. You counted 18 sets of 70. If you use biblical months of 30 days then the 42 weeks works out also. It looks like everything is working out perfectly.
I'm so excited ! :th_bravo:
:woohoo2: And we ain't seen nothing yet !
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Thanks Andrea that's exactly the picture I was thinking about. The one with Conrad Murray wearing the number 18. You counted 18 sets of 70. If you use biblical months of 30 days then the 42 weeks works out also. It looks like everything is working out perfectly.
I'm so excited ! :th_bravo:
:woohoo2: And we ain't seen nothing yet !
It is exciting to see what these numbers do. It was bec who counted the 18 sets of 70 and got 1260. I got 1260 based on a conversation I had with someone here back in February about what that time period in Daniel and Revelations revealed.
About the 42 months, that number is very interesting. Adding all the numbers of MJ's birthday individually gives you 42:
8+2+9+1+9+5+8 = 42. Adding the numbers of the "death" day gives you the reverse 24. 6+2+5+2+0+0+9 = 24.
(http://shavarross.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Dr.-Conrad-Murray-Laker-Kobe-Jersey-24.jpg)
(I realize that's a popular jersey because of Kobe, lol, but still)
Back to the number 42, look at this google screen shot. (I blacked-out my location)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/42gpg.jpg)
:icon_lol:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/42_(number)
I think I've gone way off topic :errrr: (apologies), I'll go back to page one and started reading Sign 6 again.
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42......the answer to Life, the universe and everything is from "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" novel (also made into a TV series and a movie):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hitchhiker's_Guide_to_the_Galaxy_(novel)
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Just reading the wiki page on 42 which Andrea posted......a couple of interesting things which jumped out to me were:
In video games 42 Entertainment is the company responsible for several alternate reality games, including I Love Bees, Year Zero, and Why So Serious.
In Japanese culture, the number 42 is considered unlucky because the numerals when pronounced separately — "shi ni" (four two) — sound like the phrase, "unto death"
The angle rounded to whole degrees for which a rainbow appears (the critical angle).
(and of course Elvis "died" at 42)
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Thanks Andrea that's exactly the picture I was thinking about. The one with Conrad Murray wearing the number 18. You counted 18 sets of 70. If you use biblical months of 30 days then the 42 weeks works out also. It looks like everything is working out perfectly.
I'm so excited ! :th_bravo:
:woohoo2: And we ain't seen nothing yet !
It is exciting to see what these numbers do. It was bec who counted the 18 sets of 70 and got 1260. I got 1260 based on a conversation I had with someone here back in February about what that time period in Daniel and Revelations revealed.
About the 42 months, that number is very interesting. Adding all the numbers of MJ's birthday individually gives you 42:
8+2+9+1+9+5+8 = 42. Adding the numbers of the "death" day gives you the reverse 24. 6+2+5+2+0+0+9 = 24.
(http://shavarross.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Dr.-Conrad-Murray-Laker-Kobe-Jersey-24.jpg)
(I realize that's a popular jersey because of Kobe, lol, but still)
Back to the number 42, look at this google screen shot. (I blacked-out my location)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/42gpg.jpg)
:icon_lol:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/42_(number)
I think I've gone way off topic :errrr: (apologies), I'll go back to page one and started reading Sign 6 again.
(http://www.fondosblackberry.com/user-content/uploads/wall/mid/70/matematicas_maths_ecuaciones.jpg) :Pulling_hair: :LolLolLolLol:
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Subtracting years = June 25, 1938:
Interesting correlation to children's safety:
http://todayinlaborhistory.wordpress.com/2012/06/25/june-25-1938/
1938 is also the year Bess Houdini appeared in a film called: Religious Racketeer
(a.k.a. Mystic Circle Murder)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bess_Houdini
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030666/
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*** Speaking of the year 1938 and June 25th! (or 26th) I posted last year more info on this thread ---) MJ & ELVIS ~ Numerology clues (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,20301.0.html)
25th June 2009 - MJ "died"
26th June 1977 - Elvis' last concert
26th June 1979 - Elvis' father died
26th June 1909 - Elvis Presley's manager, Tom parker was born
26th June 1938 - Felix “Bush” Breazeale - arranged a "living funeral" for himself ("Get Low" movie (https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=208909769166048))
*** And speaking of NUMBERS 18 & 24/42 , again, more info on this thread ---> MJ & ELVIS ~ Numerology clues (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,20301.0.html)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/parismdzd.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/0330conrad.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/mjelvisare.jpg)
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*** And speaking of NUMBERS 18 & 24/42 , again, more info on this thread ---> MJ & ELVIS ~ Numerology clues (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,20301.0.html)
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All of those numbers are multiples of 6. 24 and 42 both equal to 6 when each number is added together. It would appear that the number 6 is almost as prevalent as the number 7 in this hoax. :icon_e_confused: I came across the number 6 'coincidences' before all the number 7 'coincidences' started popping up, shortly after hearing MJ "died" when I added up the birth/"death" date numbers. I found it eerie that they were the reverse of each other like life/death. I suppose all numbers can be powerful and used for either good or evil...
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I just remembered that December 6th is the day MJ collapsed while rehearsing for a live concert that was supposed to be broadcasted world wide to approx 250 million people and he was taken to hospital.
Interesting coincidence. I had to look up Dec. 6 wiki :icon_geek: it's the 340th day of the year (341st in leap years) in the Gregorian calendar. There are 25 days remaining until the end of the year.
Died 343 – Saint Nicholas (b. 270)
Saint Nicholas Day, where St. Nicholas/Santa Claus leaves little presents in children's shoes. (International)
Christkind traditionally gives Christmas gifts on this day.
Looks like a great day for a return, but maybe it's only the beginning.... of the end :icon_e_confused: I have a headache.
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Yes Sim, I remember those pictures and montages you did with 42,24,18. We didn't know exactly why those numbers were important at the time, or at least I didn't. Maybe we're figuring it out. :icon_exclaim: The 42 was for 42 months and the 18 was for 18 sets of 70 ? 42 also has to do with a prism creating a rainbow. Wasn't there also a crystal by the arc that Ron Wyatt found ?
The other number Paris has worn on a shirt was 33. I know 33 degree line of latitude is important. There's also level 33 for the masons. It is a multiple of 11 which is also a significant number. What else ? Maybe it has nothing to do with this bible prophecy ? Maybe they were talking about the NWO with that ?
:ghsdf:
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Yes Sim, I remember those pictures and montages you did with 42,24,18. We didn't know exactly why those numbers were important at the time, or at least I didn't. Maybe we're figuring it out. :icon_exclaim: The 42 was for 42 months and the 18 was for 18 sets of 70 ? 42 also has to do with a prism creating a rainbow. Wasn't there also a crystal by the arc that Ron Wyatt found ?
The other number Paris has worn on a shirt was 33. I know 33 degree line of latitude is important. There's also level 33 for the masons. It is a multiple of 11 which is also a significant number. What else ? Maybe it has nothing to do with this bible prophecy ? Maybe they were talking about the NWO with that ?
:ghsdf:
That's so weird you just mentioned 33. I was looking for something else and stumbled upon this - look at the first line of the 911 call:
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/30/article-2043359-0E26E78700000578-417_634x720.jpg)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2043359/Michael-Jackson-trial-Doctor-Conrad-Murray-tried-hide-saline-vials-drip.html
Paramedic 33! I had never heard that before. When I went on youtube to find the 911 call to see if I could hear that, I could only find videos starting where you hear the guy asking for the address. But you can clearly here the paramedic 33 on the tape they played at the trial. At about 0:37.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na1ciyPQEYo[/youtube]
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Yes Sim, I remember those pictures and montages you did with 42,24,18. We didn't know exactly why those numbers were important at the time, or at least I didn't. Maybe we're figuring it out. :icon_exclaim: The 42 was for 42 months and the 18 was for 18 sets of 70 ? 42 also has to do with a prism creating a rainbow. Wasn't there also a crystal by the arc that Ron Wyatt found ?
The other number Paris has worn on a shirt was 33. I know 33 degree line of latitude is important. There's also level 33 for the masons. It is a multiple of 11 which is also a significant number. What else ? Maybe it has nothing to do with this bible prophecy ? Maybe they were talking about the NWO with that ?
:ghsdf:
Since you mentioned Paris...
And now that my brain is gone, I just noticed Paris's profile pic I AM GONE... and I was just reading over the Daniel prophecy, found myself looking into Daniel 10 by chance...
Daniel 10:20-21 “Then said he, Knowest you wherefore I come unto you? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come. 21 But I will show you that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.”
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Wow you guys are great!
All these perfect numbers, it's almost too good to be true. 1260, 18 -70day cycles, 42 months, 42/24, this is great stuff. Hive mind no doubt.
12/6 is also 7 days inclusive after Thriller 30th anniversary. Burial-autopsy=7 days, Thriller 30-12/6/12=7 days.
I find that interesting considering this Sign talks about the final week.
Using Sign 6's info, if you count back from 1260 on Dec 6th, the 70 weeks would have started on Thursday August 5th/Friday, August 5th, 2011, day 770 (771), 110 weeks. The Final week, the 69th week would start on Thursday, November 29th/Friday, November 30th, Thriller 30 anniversary.
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And now that my brain is gone, I just noticed Paris's profile pic I AM GONE... and I was just reading over the Daniel prophecy, found myself looking into Daniel 10 by chance...
Daniel 10:20-21 “Then said he, Knowest you wherefore I come unto you? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come. 21 But I will show you that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.”
maybe why MJ had these "clocks" (disguised as blue lights) placed during This Is It in TDCAU?
The one near MJ's elbow showing 10:20 or 10:21 .... perhaps trying to draw our attention to Daniel 10:20-21 back then? :icon_cool:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-naEQmLOWDsU/UCyNtT_EkuI/AAAAAAAAF_o/FdQPC1WAs-A/s640/MJ+2012+2009+This+is+It+clock+4+two+clocks.JPG)
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Bec
All these perfect numbers, it's almost too good to be true. 1260, 18 -70day cycles, 42 months, 42/24, this is great stuff. Hive mind no doubt.
12/6 is also 7 days inclusive after Thriller 30th anniversary. Burial-autopsy=7 days, Thriller 30-12/6/12=7 days.
I am completely wowed by all this!
Remember TS offered money for the proof all his previous hoax numbers could be coincidence. Now multiply that by these numbers as well. The total would be astronomical!
What mind could plan all this to make it dovetail and line-up, layer upon layer? TS was right when he said so much was riding on the one 'death' day, so he couldn't risk it failing. And lining up close to the Elvis 'death', him being 50 when he 'died' the number of Jubilee=freedom, and Mayan prediction and the lining up of the planets, and on and on.
Andrea, also Jesus died, was resurrected, and ascended at 33.
Sign #6
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/sign6a1unf.jpg)
So though TS is saying the 70 Biblical weeks have already been fulfilled, we have seen that there are clearly 70 week periods going on in this hoax, and possibly 1260 days, 42 weeks, 3 1/2 years--which is half of the last 7 year period, Christians refer to as the Tribulation period. From December 6, 2012, adding another 1260 days is May 19, 2016, another Thursday. I don't know of anything happening then. 7 years is 2520 days, and 2520 is an interesting (I guess perfect) number. All digits from 1-9 can be divided into it evenly.
Daniel 12
King James Version (KJV)
12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.
6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever
that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.
TS makes a point of Jesus standing instead of sitting on the throne, when Stephen is stoned. And here we find Michael "standing", before much trouble begins. Then the numbers again. Is "Michael standing" referring to future Jesus' resurrection, and the "time of trouble" the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans? Or is the scenario a future time of today of another period of 1260, 3 1/2 years, and world-wide trouble for us? Then there's also other numbers mentioned, 1290 days, and 1335 days. Now Bec, you had calculations going with 1361, so I'm just thinking. http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,23454.msg427506.html#msg427506
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It's also pretty cool if you remove the zero from the number 1260 then you have 126.....12/6.....12/6/2012 is 1260 days since MJ "died" on 6/25/2009 (as bec pointed out).
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Wasn't there something during Murray's sentencing or trial in general about him not standing? In most cases, defendants stand?
Maybe when he said he is not guilty? I'll go look around......seems familiar. Yes, the numbers thing is amazing to look at for sure......
makes my head spin, good for Halloween, lol.
Blessings
@Adi....I saw that as well....too funny and way too coincidental perhaps? Great eye :suspect: : )
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Thanks wish :icon_e_smile:
Yes....Dr Murray was not made to stand during the reading of the verdict in his trial.
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It's also pretty cool if you remove the zero from the number 1260 then you have 126.....12/6.....12/6/2012 is 1260 days since MJ "died" on 6/25/2009 (as bec pointed out).
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Such a coincidence! :icon_lol:
Here's yet another one from Revelation 12:6 where the 1260 time period is mentioned.
Revelation 12:6
New King James Version (NKJV)
Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days.
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Wasn't there something during Murray's sentencing or trial in general about him not standing? In most cases, defendants stand?
CM was seated even while being handcuffed (his lawyers didn't even turn their heads).
(http://www.newzimbabwe.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/conrad-murray-handcuffs.jpg)
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Putting this here because it seems possibly relevant to the conversation.
MJ's Facebook this morning:
This past Saturday’s sold-out show at the Parken Stadium in Copenhagen was not only the largest attendance for MJTIWT (at about 18,000), but also a record setting attendance number for ALL shows in Cirque du Soleil history!
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No wonder TS has said on several occasions regarding the hoax timing, the numbers would never be so perfect again... because these numbers seem quite perfect.
Who said a page or so ago that 12/6 is the 340th day of the year, with 25 days remaining? So many perfect details.
Darn it, I'm getting more then excited. I'm getting almost expectant.
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More numbers.
TS posted this Sign and redirect on 10/27/12, 41 days inclusive from Dec 6th.
40 days and 40 nights.
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More numbers.
TS posted this Sign and redirect on 10/27/12, 41 days inclusive from Dec 6th.
40 days and 40 nights.
Cool, he even added a day for simmering.
Going by the numbers alone, Dec 6th DOES seem VERY...significant.
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I was just playing around with some numbers.
We all know about the 9282 days from birth to Pepsi fire and then again from fire to "death".
BAD has been a central theme in the hoax.
1260 days from January 27, 1984 (Pepsi fire) was July 10, 1987 - the day BAD was originally mastered, a day after recording was completed.
Produced for Quincy Jones Productions
Co-produced for MJJ Productions
Published by Mijac Music (BMI) © 1987
All rights on behalf Mijac Music administered by Warner-Tamerlane Publishing Corp. (BMI)
except
Just Good Friends published by WB Music Corp. (ASCAP)/Good Single Ltd. (PRS) © 1987
All rights on behalt of itself and Good Single Ltd. (PRS) administered by WB Music Corp. (ASCAP)
Man in the Mirror published by WB Music Corp. (ASCAP)/Yellowbrick Road Music (ASCAP)/Universal-MCA Music Publishing (ASCAP)/Aerostation Corp. (ASCAP) © 1987
All rights on behalt of itself and Yellowbrick Road Music administered by WB Music Corp. (ASCAP)
All rights on behalt of itself and Aerostation Corp. administered by Universal-MCA Music Publishing (ASCAP)
Streetwalker and Fly Away published by Warner-Tamerlane Publishing Corp. on behalf of Mijac Music (BMI)
Todo Mi Amor Eres Tu (I Just Can't Stop Loving You) published by Warner-Tamerlane Publishing Corp. on behalf of Mijac Music (BMI)/WB Music Corp. on behalf of Mystical Light Music (ASCAP)
Recorded and Mixed at Westlake Audio Studios, Los Angeles, California, from first session on Monday January 5, 1987 through last day of mixing on Thursday July 9, 1987
Recorded Digitally on the Mitsubishi Multi-track and stereo master recorders
Originally mastered on Friday, July 10, 1987, at Bernie Grundman Mastering, Los Angeles, California
Remastered at Bernie Grundman Mastering, Los Angeles, California
Originally released Tuesday, August 25, 1987 by Epic Records (40600)
Tracks 13 and 18 previously unreleased.
Track 15 previously unavailable in the U.S.
Also contains new interview with producer Quincy Jones discussing the making of "Bad," and new booklet including new photos.
© 1987, 2001 MJJ Productions Inc./℗ 1987, 1993, 2001 MJJ Productions Inc./"Epic" Registered Trademark of Sony Music Entertainment Inc./Distribution Sony Music.
http://www.discogs.com/Michael-Jackson-Bad-Special-Edition/release/2198888
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:th_bravo: awesome numbers.
A little different but still on the subject I wanted to post something that I believe can be considered as a sign that the end is near. We've all heard about there being more and more bizarre weather changes/patterns but this one I didn't know that it existed until I saw it on TV a few days ago: fire tornadoes. This is a very rare occurence that has been caught on tape so I thought I would share here:
"Caught on camera: The 30 metre high tornado of FIRE that whirled around Australian outback for terrifying 40 minutes"
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2204468/Pictured-The-frightening-FIRE-tornado-whirled-Australian-outback-40-MINUTES.html#ixzz2AtumkTF0
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/17/article-2204468-150F0586000005DC-482_964x534.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/17/article-2204468-150EDCBC000005DC-883_964x533.jpg)
They say that normally such a tornado lasts only 2 minutes but this one lasted 40, maybe another sign. Here's a video:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HDVRt4b9b8[/youtube]
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All I can say is "This is Amazing". MJonMind, You said Jesus died,was resurrected and ascended when he was 33. Interesting. I think I did see that somewhere before.
Playing with the number 9282.
9+2+8+2=21 and 21=7+7+7 :icon_bounce:
These numbers are working out so well. Maybe if we look "back" we'll find even more. This reminds me of David Flynn. He did many calculations that coordinate with bible prophecy. One thing that he said was that the year a major event occurs is the same exact number of miles to the center of Jerusalem. For example, Israel was declared a country in 1948. This happened in England which was 1948 miles from Jerusalem. I was thinking about getting a map and drawing a circle with Jerusalem in the center and a radius of 2012. Then we would have all of the locations which are 2012 miles away from the center of Jerusalem. We would know it's a major biblical event if it occurs 2012 miles away. When 2013 comes we have to draw another circle with a radius of 2013.
David Flynn wrote a whole book with these calculations. I don't have the book but I saw a few videos he did. Stephen Quayle also talks about it. I can post some of them. Also, think about the number PI. You use that number when doing calculations with a circle.
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Oh my God. These numbers are killing me :Pulling_hair: :Crash: :computer-losy-smiley:
But good work guys! :th_bravo:
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What about November 8th ? It's Archangel's Michael holiday according to the orthodox religion. Hmmm ... sounds a bit too early for a comeback, and I don't think it has any numerological significance ... Just thinking out loud ;) I'm sure Michael is enjoying our guessings and calculations :icon_lol:
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Sarahli, interesting fire tornado! One commenter said a ‘pillar of fire’ was how God guided the Israelites.
In fact it separated them from the Egyptians while they crossed the Red Sea.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2013:22;%2014:18-20&version=KJV
DWA
Yes Sim, I remember those pictures and montages you did with 42,24,18. We didn't know exactly why those numbers were important at the time, or at least I didn't. Maybe we're figuring it out. The 42 was for 42 months and the 18 was for 18 sets of 70 ? 42 also has to do with a prism creating a rainbow. Wasn't there also a crystal by the arc that Ron Wyatt found ?
Interesting about 42!
The rainbow is not located at a specific distance, but comes from any water droplets viewed from a certain angle relative to the Sun's rays. Thus, a rainbow is not an object, and cannot be physically approached. Indeed, it is impossible for an observer to manoeuvre to see any rainbow from water droplets at any angle other than the customary one of 42 degrees from the direction opposite the Sun. Wiki
the place was cleaned up, and the Ark of the Covenant was sitting against the wall at the east end of the cave, and the cave is not perfectly oriented east, west, north, or south, it’s just on the eastern end, basically, of that. Behind this is this crystalline wall that emits the colors of the rainbow.
http://www.wyattarchaeology.com/last_interview.html
Revelation 4:2-3
2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.
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Yes MJonMind. 42 is very interesting.
Here's something else. There are two sets of 9282 days.
9+2+8+2=21 first set
9+2+8+2=21 second set
21+21=42 :fresse:
42 is a special number.
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OMG Chris Tucker has tweeted ' The Return. '. That's a massive clue alongside his ' Christmas ' hint on the radio show.
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Speaking of 18 and 42.... :icon_geek:
42 weeks
From and including: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 CM Sentencing
To and including: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 BAD release It is 295 days =7
What about November 8th ? It's Archangel's Michael holiday according to the orthodox religion. Hmmm ... sounds a bit too early for a comeback, and I don't think it has any numerological significance ... Just thinking out loud ;) I'm sure Michael is enjoying our guessings and calculations :icon_lol:
Could mean something, I've thought of the 9th as being a starting point to ... idk. :smiley-vault-misc-150: I also think 6 and 9 are significant. Here's more calculations with 9th
7 weeks From and including: Tuesday, September 18, 2012
To, but not including : Friday, November 9, 2012 It is 52 days=7
11/9 - not including 12/6 27 days
11/9 - not including 12/12 33 days
11/9 - not including 12/21 42days :icon_eek: bizarre, I see the last date 911 call at 1221 ?
so looked up the memorial date...
From and including: Tuesday, July 7, 2009
To, but not including : Friday, November 9, 2012
It is 1221 days
174 weeks = 12
November 9 is the 313th day of the year (314th in leap years) in the Gregorian calendar. There are 52 days remaining until the end of the year.
Even if this means nothing...numbers are crazy.
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I do appreciate and acknowledge the immense amount of time and study that has gone into producing the Signs, but in my straightforward, down to earth, not even convinced of God, mind, I see the whole, stripped back to fundamentals, 'lesson', if you like, of any end of world, second coming, even plain old simple death scenario, is that one should be prepared at all times, be the best one can be while one can, because one never knows when that 'end', in whatever form it takes, will be.
Isn't trying to predict and foretell WHEN it will happen, though an incredible and interesting exercise for the brain, a somewhat futile exercise, when all's said and done? Rather like predicting Bam dates!
If we think TS's words are 'slippery', I think God's (if one believes in him) are even more so!
I don't want to sound disrespectful, or critical of believers (in God) here, I'm just sort of puzzled by how in a very short time, this most recent Sign 6, provoked Bam, not biblical, discussion. Even on the Army of Love site, where I understand the deeper conversations take place, I see discussions haven't moved off page 1.
Obviously, we're all eyes and ears on a possible upcoming bam, but I wonder if we are doing a disservice to The Sign, to immediately relate his work to MJ's return, rather than the more serious matter (that I have been under the impression) he was trying to convey.
Did MJ use complicated, and important biblical prophesy, that he happens to have studied rather thoroughly, when planning the timeline of his death hoax?
Or is The Sign simply using a rather neat way to convey most important hoax details by comparison to complicated, but unimportant biblical prophesy, that he happens to have studied rather thoroughly?!
I've been away a while and have maybe got out of hoax mode! Ignore me if I'm talking garbage!
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Brain fried by the numbers, but LOVIN' this thread :bowdown:
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Just FYI......
December 6th (1971) is also Ryan White's birthday........
LOVE
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Just FYI......
December 6th (1971) is also Ryan White's birthday........
LOVE
Interesting... just remembering MJ's May 10th audio recording - "I’m taking that money, a million children, children’s hospital, the biggest in the world, Michael Jackson’s Children’s Hospital."
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Since we're talking dates (while we sit around, twiddle our thumbs and wait :D) what about 12/12/12. After all, it's the last day this century where the day, the month and the year are the same AND it's my birthday! Not that I'm suggesting Michael change his plans just for me or anything! ;D
In all seriousness, thank you all for your calculation work. It's truly mindblowing.
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Well 12/6 is 7 days inclusive from 12/12/12.
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Well 12/6 is 7 days inclusive from 12/12/12.
Thanks! :bearhug:
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Sarahli, interesting fire tornado! One commenter said a ‘pillar of fire’ was how God guided the Israelites.
In fact it separated them from the Egyptians while they crossed the Red Sea.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2013:22;%2014:18-20&version=KJV
Thanks MJonmind, I have learned something new. :icon_e_wink:
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Brain fried by the numbers, but LOVIN' this thread :bowdown:
Australian're right, it's amazing the work that everyone has done here with numbers and dates connections. For myself looking at 12-21 but that only MJ knows, and we'll be here ready to celebrate. :)
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For my part, I made a video 1 year and a half ago about that 1260 days. I really do beLIEve Michael has been really inspired very much by the bible to do this hoax.
Do you remember the picture that Gotham Chopra tweeted in december 2009 I think? The hand of Michael with the star of David?
See in my video, you will remember: <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/eOOrFgyHXf4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Unfortunately, the video is in french, but with the image you will kind of understand.
Starts at 1:18
Gotham tweeted: Fated (someday), and then he give the link of the image of the hand.
Then, see the numbers at the bottom of the image on the right corner. I thought to myself, why not put the picture upside down, to see the numbers it gives me.
Angel Gabriel is a messenger and he is also the saint of all communications, like radio, television, news. He is the one that gives the message. Michael has given all kinds of message of peace through media since he is who he is, but the King of pop, the messenger, is dead.
Then relate to the post of ''Back'' in 2009. Exit angel Gabriel, enter angel Michael. Angel Michael is the one that fights and that defeats all kinds of threats, he is the one that will make move the earth.
So relate again to this post of ''Back'' and look at my video starting from 2:44 <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/eOOrFgyHXf4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Remember that the on November 8, 2010, the full length version of the song ''Breaking News'' was released, and made available on MichaelJackson.com for one week. And November 8th is the feast day of the Orthodox of Archangel Michael. And remember also, that the album title was simply and just simply ''Michael''. And see into my video at 2:44, this is first the image of Angel Gabriel, notice that left hand is on his heart. EXIT ANGEL GABRIEL. Then look at 2:51, you have the picture of Archangel Michael. His right hand is on his heart. And look at the cover of the album ''Michael'' just after! His right hand is on his heart. ENTER ANGEL MICHAEL! And look, the crown is there, the scarf is there and the tiara as well. And Archangel Michael is the chef of the angels, and what you see at each sides of his tiara, the little angels that crowns him.
Now see at 4:30: <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/eOOrFgyHXf4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
I put the picture upside down of Chopra, to see if we could have a little signification there.
So if we remove the 0 0, it gives us 25/12, and since there is no year or month, I supposed that the 12 could be doubled.
Remember that Angel Gabriel was the one who announced the birth of Jesus on december 25th.
And also in the bible in chapter 12, there is a verset about Daniel that strucked me when he talks about the return of Michael;
The End Times
12 “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. 2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 Those who are wise[a] will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever. 4 But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.”
5 Then I, Daniel, looked, and there before me stood two others, one on this bank of the river and one on the opposite bank. 6 One of them said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, “How long will it be before these astonishing things are fulfilled?”
7 The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, “It will be for a time, times and half a time. When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed.”
Time, times and a half time means 3 years and a half, or 1260 days, but if you take the 3 years and a half from June 25th, and add 3 years and 6 months, you are right on time on Christmas. And I never forgot those christmas wreaths in june on his house, and all those things related to Christmas since the beginning.
So either it could be 1260 days and fell on december 7th, or it could be counting the 3 years and 6 months and bam on christmas.
And about Archangel Michael again, let's not forget the article on November 21th 2008, that said that Michael converted to Islam and changed his name to Mikaeel. 11:17 <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/eOOrFgyHXf4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Well, first, the feast day for Archangel Michael is November 8th for the Orthodox church, but for almost all the church, the feast day for Archangel Michael is November 21th. AND, clue for archangel Michael from the part of Michael? Because Mikaeel is the way Archangel Michael is spelled by the musulmans! :moonwalk_:
Ok, another interesting thing! The first time Daniel had the VISION of the Archangel Michael was at the Chapter 10, verset 13. So since there is no 13 months, shall we say 13/10.
We had something very important on the 13/10/10. The news about the released and the title of the album of Michael called ''VISION''! Yep! Coincidences again? I think not!
Well! HOPE WE'LL HAVE A BIG PRESENT FOR CHRISTMAS! Santa Claus, I only ask you one favor this year! Please, make him BAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMM!!!!
By the way TS, It was a great present for me to have the 6th sign on my birthday, on october 27th! I am always lucky, first, This is it premiered in Hollywood on the day of my birthday and then you give us this beautiful post! Thanks!!! Eager to read the 7 th sign and then BAM! :moonwalk_:
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Julia:
Remember that Angel Gabriel was the one who announced the birth of Jesus on december 25th.
But was Jesus really born on December 25th? Or was that when it was announced? There has always been debate as to when He was born, some argue it was during the warmer months. One of the central themes of the Signs has been that the historians have got a lot of Biblical stuff (I'm tired) wrong so would the birth of Jesus be any different? We the people have been lied to and misguided for so long.
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Julia:
Remember that Angel Gabriel was the one who announced the birth of Jesus on december 25th.
But was Jesus really born on December 25th? Or was that when it was announced? There has always been debate as to when He was born, some argue it was during the warmer months. One of the central themes of the Signs has been that the historians have got a lot of Biblical stuff (I'm tired) wrong so would the birth of Jesus be any different? We the people have been lied to and misguided for so long.
I know what you mean darling, it is a long debate since a long time, but the fact that we all know since we're young is december 25th, so in this story, if we relate to a popular fact, that would be legit! ;)
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I agree, that a lot of the hoax dates relate to commonly held beliefs about days, like the Mayan calendar, etc. so Christmas would be no different. MJ has so beautifully blended Biblical concepts with famous mythical/fictional and historical concepts.
Thanks for your interesting post Julia142!
Just thinking about the image from Gotham Chopra and Daniel 12:7.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/gothamaza.jpg)
7 The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, “It will be for a time, times and half a time. When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed.”
We have discussed this before along the way, like most things, but these thousands of details get lost like 'needles in the haystack'! :icon_bounce:
Who are the 'holy people' Daniel is referring to in his mind (Catholics unheard of then)? The religious leaders of Jesus' day descend from their days of captivity in Babylon, namely the Pharisees and Sadducees. Jesus complained that they were teaching the 'traditions of men' and not of God, and the books they followed were the Babylonian Talmud along with the Babylonian Kabbalah (Qabbalah). Who are today's keepers of the Talmud and Kabbalah--whose symbol they identify with also on their flag--the seal of Solomon/Star of David. Daniel seems to believe that it is only the "holy people" who wield power worth worrying about --not kings or military powers. Did Gotham believe Michael was "Fated" to be the one to 'break this power'?
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Sarahli, interesting fire tornado! One commenter said a ‘pillar of fire’ was how God guided the Israelites.
In fact it separated them from the Egyptians while they crossed the Red Sea.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2013:22;%2014:18-20&version=KJV
Thanks MJonmind, I have learned something new. :icon_e_wink:
Pillar of fire by night and a pillar of cloud by day.
Exodus 13:21 American Standard Version
And Jehovah went before them by day in a pillar of cloud, to lead them the way, and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light, that they might go by day and by night
Illustration of the fire at red sea
(http://cdn.blu-raydefinition.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/pillar-of-fire.jpg?d9c344)
Screenshot from 'The ten commandments'
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Those "signs" I don´t get as anything to do with MJ but with some beliefs circulating on the net. As an example, many believe that the mayan calender indicates the EOW, when really, that calender is just based on a loop of TiMe that was repeating itself when came to events of importance back then such as floodings, harvest or who knows what. The same with the numbers. Many people just play with figures to know and predict when the EOW will happen and try to make sense out of it.
Can anyone predict when MJ is coming back? is he coming at all?
We don´t know who was in Mj´s house the night before he died - which I find very crucial to know what really happened - but many are just trying to guess about his come back based on numbers and "signs". Those numbers are not going to reveal nothing :-\
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@MissG - we really don’t know all who was there, especially since they were ushered out in the middle of the night before the paramedics arrived. That still perplexes me also.
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Sarahli, interesting fire tornado! One commenter said a ‘pillar of fire’ was how God guided the Israelites.
In fact it separated them from the Egyptians while they crossed the Red Sea.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2013:22;%2014:18-20&version=KJV
DWA
Yes Sim, I remember those pictures and montages you did with 42,24,18. We didn't know exactly why those numbers were important at the time, or at least I didn't. Maybe we're figuring it out. The 42 was for 42 months and the 18 was for 18 sets of 70 ? 42 also has to do with a prism creating a rainbow. Wasn't there also a crystal by the arc that Ron Wyatt found ?
Interesting about 42!
The rainbow is not located at a specific distance, but comes from any water droplets viewed from a certain angle relative to the Sun's rays. Thus, a rainbow is not an object, and cannot be physically approached. Indeed, it is impossible for an observer to manoeuvre to see any rainbow from water droplets at any angle other than the customary one of 42 degrees from the direction opposite the Sun. Wiki
the place was cleaned up, and the Ark of the Covenant was sitting against the wall at the east end of the cave, and the cave is not perfectly oriented east, west, north, or south, it’s just on the eastern end, basically, of that. Behind this is this crystalline wall that emits the colors of the rainbow.
http://www.wyattarchaeology.com/last_interview.html
Revelation 4:2-3
2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.
See replies # 42 ( :icon_exclaim: :icon_eek: ) & # 43 (the last one from this thread) ---> http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,22247.25.html
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/rainbopfp.jpg)
Julia: Remember that Angel Gabriel was the one who announced the birth of Jesus on december 25th.
But was Jesus really born on December 25th? Or was that when it was announced? There has always been debate as to when He was born, some argue it was during the warmer months. One of the central themes of the Signs has been that the historians have got a lot of Biblical stuff (I'm tired) wrong so would the birth of Jesus be any different? We the people have been lied to and misguided for so long.
Watch from min 01:55 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIXMhvhlDuM&feature=channel&list=UL
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Thanks Sim. I remember these montages but it's good to see them again. Things continue to get clearer but I think I'm still not understanding everything about the rainbow, and you know I'm trying. Is it about all the lightworkers and the ascension ? All the light energy coming to earth ? A miracle using cosmic energy ? The rainbow around the ark ? :icon_e_confused:
Love You
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This is what The Sign said in Sign 4 about the rainbow.
After the flood, God promised the rainbow as a sign that there would never again be “a flood to destroy all flesh.” (see Genesis 9:8-17; Isaiah 54:9; etc).
http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/forum/index.php?topic=97.0
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Sim, thanks for all those reminders. My brain is almost fried by the staggering amount of info we have discussed at one time or another these 3 1/2 years. :affraid:
This is what The Sign said in Sign 4 about the rainbow.
After the flood, God promised the rainbow as a sign that there would never again be “a flood to destroy all flesh.” (see Genesis 9:8-17; Isaiah 54:9; etc).
http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/forum/index.php?topic=97.0
That’s the good news, but the bad news is the next time is going to be with fire though. :errrr:
2 Peter 2-3
5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample (example) unto those that after should live ungodly;
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
We're going to be toast.
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Julia:
Remember that Angel Gabriel was the one who announced the birth of Jesus on december 25th.
But was Jesus really born on December 25th? Or was that when it was announced? There has always been debate as to when He was born, some argue it was during the warmer months. One of the central themes of the Signs has been that the historians have got a lot of Biblical stuff (I'm tired) wrong so would the birth of Jesus be any different? We the people have been lied to and misguided for so long.
i had thought this was why jw didn't celebrate Christmas , is that correct Aussie or Ford?
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But was Jesus really born on December 25th? Or was that when it was announced? There has always been debate as to when He was born, some argue it was during the warmer months. One of the central themes of the Signs has been that the historians have got a lot of Biblical stuff (I'm tired) wrong so would the birth of Jesus be any different? We the people have been lied to and misguided for so long.
Sign is correct in saying that Historians have got a lot of stuff wrong. But so have the Churches. They have misinterpreted things and got them 'wrong' when they subtracted truth and added paganism or their religious traditions to their biblical understanding, such as the birth of Christ.
And YES the people have been lied to for centuries!
Andrea:
I had thought this was why jw didn't celebrate Christmas , is that correct Aussie or Ford?
Precisely. I will elaborate on this later. in the meantime, here are merely two points disprove Dec 25.
1) Jesus lived to be 33 and a HALF. He died in the Month of NISAN of the Jewish lunar calendar, which comes out to be roughly the month of April. Go back six months and it would show that he was born in approximately October.
2) 25th of DEC in Northern Hemisphere is very cold, middle of winter. The bible says that there were sheep out in the field and that Sheppherd were LIVING Outside, around the time of Jesus birth. This would be absolutely impossible in late December. October is the likely time that Jesus was born.
That lends the question, "where did Christmas come from?" The answer to this question, is the reason why JWs don't celebrate Xmas, not just because Dec 25 date is incorrect.
I will follow up this post with something else shortly.
Btw, There are actually 7 JW's at the forum who are regular contributors to the discussions :) He he. Some prefer to keep their religious identity to themselves. Thought I'd note it. :)
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I've always thought it's because the ancient, pagan mid-winter festival, celebrating the return of the sun, was hijacked and turned into Christmas by Christians at some point. I also remember JWs telling me they didn't celebrate a poor helpless baby's birth when there were greater things to celebrate about this particular baby.
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Curls, Winter solstice is part of the reason people celebrate Christmas on Dec 25, but the reason runs deeper than that.
And perhaps not in the exact words you wrote, but yes JWs believe in Salvation through the blood of Jesus Christ and that his death is more important than his birth. We don't remember him merely as a baby in a manger but a reining King who can bring about peace & salvation and is the medium for a relationship with God.
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love you more gorgeous! xx
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As someone who values historical and biblical study and appreciate that there are many like minded individuals here, I'd like to take this opportunity to upload an audio file that is very precious to me personally.
I don't usually upload JW Audio, not because I / we have anything to hide, as indicated by all being welcome at our halls, but more because out of respect, as it is really not my property and I don't have permission to upload. On this occasion I am going to go against my gut, only because the audio so beautifully more importantly logically explains why some choose not to celebrate Christmas, by means of deciphering 'what' it is exactly that Christmas is based on. The information is not just JW teaching, the information in the audio is taken from historians, biblical writers, other authors, encyclopedias, etc.
This piece of audio is not to say "I am better than you" or "I judge those who celebrate Christmas" - not at all. Just a bit more information to put on the table considering that we are all sharing religious information. Many of the subjects in the audio have been bought up by TS himself too
The audio is from a Public Discourse from a JW Kingdom Hall, on a Sunday meeting. (yep, giving you the opportunity to see what goes on inside) This is an example of the kind of talks that MJ himself would have listened to at the meetings when he attended. How he feels now is his prerogative and right. I personally don't celebrate Christmas based on what I have learned in this talk as well as based on much other information too. This audio may give you more understanding why MJ didn't celebrate Christmas for a long time. It's not because we are kill joys, anti fun or anti Jesus. We actually don't celebrate it because we respect Jesus. (Also referred to in this audio as 'the seed')
Again Not judging anyone else's view points or beliefs or decision to celebrate, just sharing the JW understanding. My aim is NOT to ruffle feathers, rather to unveil misunderstandings or preconceived notions. Really hoping that sharing this doesn't backfire on me an open me to attack. However, it will explain properly why we don't Celebrate Christmas. If you have any questions, please feel free to PM me. As long as they are polite I am happy to discuss.
The recording is about 15 years old, please forgive me for the approximate 4 minute break in recording at the 38 minute mark. Enjoy the Aussie accent!
AUDIO LINK: http://yourlisten.com/channel/content/16925240/the_master_craftsman?rn=2ikmh2aakhog (http://yourlisten.com/channel/content/16925240/the_master_craftsman?rn=2ikmh2aakhog)
As always, with sincere L.O.V.E :bearhug:
EDIT: It gets VERY interesting around the 10 min mark. Bare with it ;) You really do need to listen to it all for it to make sense. The Christmas discussion starts at around 30 mins, but the information before that is quite important.
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Very fascinating topic. I appreciate the info on the JWs. I just thought they didn't like to party! And now I see the point!
But the funny thing for me is how I have a such a hard time with Christmas. Yes, my kids are grown and it's way commercial, but for the last few years, I've found the whole idea of Christmas increasingly distasteful, but it's difficult to not celebrate it without feeling like a 'humbug.' Not that Christmas has much to do with Jesus anymore, but now I have a good reason to avoid the Christmas nonsense.
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Just reminding that there is a 4 or five min gap in recording. Please stick with it. Important info comes after this point.
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Just reminding that there is a 4 or five min gap in recording. Please stick with it. Important info comes after this point.
if you have more of these you should put them on hoaxbook.
and hey if there are any mormons i don't see why their views couldn't be given a look see also.
all of this has been very interesting for me. thank you aussie
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2) 25th of DEC in Northern Hemisphere is very cold, middle of winter. The bible says that there were sheep out in the field and that Sheppherd were LIVING Outside, around the time of Jesus birth. This would be absolutely impossible in late December.
No. There is no reason to not live outside in December.
December is much more comfortable than other months. Not exceptional at all.
http://www.worldclimateguide.co.uk/climateguides/westbankandgazastrip/bethlehem.php (http://www.worldclimateguide.co.uk/climateguides/westbankandgazastrip/bethlehem.php)
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i had hoped that we could look at this information not as something that has to be debated but just as something that will help us to have better knowledge of jw faith . as was most likely (i think )also the hope of the poster. :icon_e_sad:
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Thanks for sharing Aussie. I think it's good to get different view points. I know the feeling Gwynned. It seems that Christmas is not really a religious holiday like it used to be. It's commercialism. I think of it as a time to share,spread joy, help others, see family, give....etc.
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Thanks Sim. I remember these montages but it's good to see them again. Things continue to get clearer but I think I'm still not understanding everything about the rainbow, and you know I'm trying. Is it about all the lightworkers and the ascension ? All the light energy coming to earth ? A miracle using cosmic energy ? The rainbow around the ark ? :icon_e_confused:
Love You
IDK... I am confused about all these rainbow references... and maybe you're right, it would make sense at least that! loll
I love you too!! :bearhug:
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Sim, thanks for all those reminders. My brain is almost fried by the staggering amount of info we have discussed at one time or another these 3 1/2 years. :affraid: [....]
I feel the same too!! and also very overwhelmed and confused about everything!
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i had hoped that we could look at this information not as something that has to be debated but just as something that will help us to have better knowledge of jw faith . as was most likely (i think )also the hope of the poster.
You're welcome Suspicious. Certainly, my point was not to debate, but as you said, sharing knowledge :icon_e_wink:
@ Ellyd - Perhaps so that it IS possible, but its really not the point. It does beyond a Winter / December issue. Listen to the audio. :icon_e_wink:
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Btw, There are actually 7 JW's at the forum who are regular contributors to the discussion
Well that sounds hoaxy, can’t be a coincidence! Lol
Thanks for the interesting audio- though I’ll have to come back for the rest of it. What I did hear, I agreed with—and love his accent! Christmas is just the tip of the iceberg for paganism mixed in Christianity.
Just a weird thought, it was interesting that in Sign #6, the first 2 paragraphs end in a Scriptural command to “Watch.” Back always said, “Keep watching”. And the JW’s publications are the ‘Watch’ tower.
Gwynned
I've found the whole idea of Christmas increasingly distasteful, but it's difficult to not celebrate it without feeling like a 'humbug.'
Agreed, it seems our family are always trying to find creative ways to cope, and somehow get through it as quickly as possible. The problem is stores, general public, and young children won’t let it be ignored.
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i don't know about the christmas feelings on my part. but one thing i have noticed a while ago that has become more and more intense in my emotions. that is that thanksgiving has just become a passing moment, a reason for food and football. this year i am trying to make thankfulness a main point on my facebook. i have had a few on my friends list join in. someone commented there about the whole month of october being halloween , so i couldn't see why november couldn't be about being thankful.
you know it has always been so puzzleing to me that liz would introduce michael to celebrating christmas when she herself converted to be a jew when she married one of her husbands, they don't celebrate christmas either. :icon_e_confused:
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they don't celebrate christmas either.
But 'they' certainly benefit financially.
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they don't celebrate christmas either.
But 'they' certainly benefit financially.
Exactly.
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they don't celebrate christmas either.
But 'they' certainly benefit financially.
humm interesting point . i had also wondered why if the jackson family did not celebrate christmas how it was that they cut i think 6 christmas albums.
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Sometimes people celebrate Christmas because it's a time for family,friends,giving,sharing etc. It's not really about religion that much any more. I know Jewish people and others that celebrate it. They just join in the festivities. There are also charity events going on that people do such as toys for tots, children's parties/events that give aide to children. It's not always about religion.
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...... i had also wondered why if the jackson family did not celebrate christmas how it was that they cut i think 6 christmas albums.
"Santa Claus is coming to town - oh yeah, Santa Claus is coming to town, Santa Claus is coming to town"
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they don't celebrate christmas either.
But 'they' certainly benefit financially.
humm interesting point . i had also wondered why if the jackson family did not celebrate christmas how it was that they cut i think 6 christmas albums.
Well Joe is not has never been a JW and did celebrate Christmas. Katherine and the children didn't. Until they got old enough to make their own religious decisions. However even when they were young and under Katherine's guidance, they lived in a religiously split home. As one parent was of a faith that the other parent wasn't. Therefore things such as the Christmas album amongst kids that supposedly didn't celebrate Christmas, make sense.
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they don't celebrate christmas either.
But 'they' certainly benefit financially.
humm interesting point . i had also wondered why if the jackson family did not celebrate christmas how it was that they cut i think 6 christmas albums.
Well Joe is not has never been a JW and did celebrate Christmas. Katherine and the children didn't. Until they got old enough to make their own religious decisions. However even when they were young and under Katherine's guidance, they lived in a religiously split home. As one parent was of a faith that the other parent wasn't. Therefore things such as the Christmas album amongst kids that supposedly didn't celebrate Christmas, make sense.
yeah that kind of hit me last night that joe was the one around for contractual stuff and katherine didn't have much say in that probably.
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I guess that celebrating X-mas is just a tradition to keep up with in order to have "happy" moments with the family. A time for everyone to be nice to each other (or to pretend to be nice :icon_lol:). It´s party time, isn´t it? :D
Let´s have a reason to give presents to each other with the elbow! Let´s have a reason to meet mother in law and behave as if you like her! :th_bravo:
Come on folks! X-mas is fun! Decorating the home is cool!
Do people really care when Jesus was born? May be 30 years ago that was a sacred reason, but not now days in our society. Ask children what´s fun with celebrating x-mas! They will tell you that they can´t wait for their iphone 5 :icon_lol:
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:th_bravo:
Miss G......I agree
x-mas time today for kid`s is only to become the gift`s and than is partytime.
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I guess that celebrating X-mas is just a tradition to keep up with in order to have "happy" moments with the family. A time for everyone to be nice to each other (or to pretend to be nice :icon_lol:). It´s party time, isn´t it? :D
Let´s have a reason to give presents to each other with the elbow! Let´s have a reason to meet mother in law and behave as if you like her! :th_bravo:
Come on folks! X-mas is fun! Decorating the home is cool!
Do people really care when Jesus was born? May be 30 years ago that was a sacred reason, but not now days in our society. Ask children what´s fun with celebrating x-mas! They will tell you that they can´t wait for their iphone 5 :icon_lol:
I agree Gema. I am not Christian but I've been celebrating Christmas since I was little. I like to sing Christmas Carols. Once, a friend of mine suggested that I should join a choir that sings during Christmas and Easter. When I joined the choir I discovered that not only Christians were singing in it. I enjoyed singing along with other people and we were always rehearsing for Christmas and Easter. I even played on my flute a couple of times in different churches during that time because again, my friends asked me to. It was real fun. But when it comes to my personal belief, well, I don't think Jesus was born on the 25th of December either and Christmas is not sacred for me. But for so many people this time of the year is a special time. It's the time where people share love, when they visit each other, when they think about the others in need. It's a shame not to do the same just because I'm not Christian. I love the "Jingle bells" tune than can be heard every where during Christmas time. I call it: Christmas spirit. It's always fun to have fun with others, no matter what our belief is, as long as we keep it to ourselves and enjoy our time. It happened several times that some texts in some songs were describing certain things that contradict with my beliefs. Well, I didn't sing only those phrase and sang the rest of the songs because the rest was ok for me and I had my fun with the others as well.
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Great post, MissG ! :th_bravo: :th_bravo:
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I guess that celebrating X-mas is just a tradition to keep up with in order to have "happy" moments with the family. A time for everyone to be nice to each other (or to pretend to be nice :icon_lol:). It´s party time, isn´t it? :D
Let´s have a reason to give presents to each other with the elbow! Let´s have a reason to meet mother in law and behave as if you like her! :th_bravo:
Come on folks! X-mas is fun! Decorating the home is cool!
Do people really care when Jesus was born? May be 30 years ago that was a sacred reason, but not now days in our society. Ask children what´s fun with celebrating x-mas! They will tell you that they can´t wait for their iphone 5 :icon_lol:
Navidades = El Corte Inglés, me parto contigo kudos para tí , jajajaja!!
LOL you are....... :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile ,yes you are right and I love that side of the X-mas very much, ah! and the iPhone 5 :LolLolLolLol:
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I guess that celebrating X-mas is just a tradition to keep up with in order to have "happy" moments with the family. A time for everyone to be nice to each other (or to pretend to be nice :icon_lol:). It´s party time, isn´t it? :D
Let´s have a reason to give presents to each other with the elbow! Let´s have a reason to meet mother in law and behave as if you like her! :th_bravo:
Come on folks! X-mas is fun! Decorating the home is cool!
Do people really care when Jesus was born? May be 30 years ago that was a sacred reason, but not now days in our society. Ask children what´s fun with celebrating x-mas! They will tell you that they can´t wait for their iphone 5 :icon_lol:
I agree Gema. I am not Christian but I've been celebrating Christmas since I was little. I like to sing Christmas Carols. Once, a friend of mine suggested that I should join a choir that sings during Christmas and Easter. When I joined the choir I discovered that not only Christians were singing in it. I enjoyed singing along with other people and we were always rehearsing for Christmas and Easter. I even played on my flute a couple of times in different churches during that time because again, my friends asked me to. It was real fun. But when it comes to my personal belief, well, I don't think Jesus was born on the 25th of December either and Christmas is not sacred for me. But for so many people this time of the year is a special time. It's the time where people share love, when they visit each other, when they think about the others in need. It's a shame not to do the same just because I'm not Christian. I love the "Jingle bells" tune than can be heard every where during Christmas time. I call it: Christmas spirit. It's always fun to have fun with others, no matter what our belief is, as long as we keep it to ourselves and enjoy our time. It happened several times that some texts in some songs were describing certain things that contradict with my beliefs. Well, I didn't sing only those phrase and sang the rest of the songs because the rest was ok for me and I had my fun with the others as well.
You are a sweetie pie, you know! :D
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I guess that celebrating X-mas is just a tradition to keep up with in order to have "happy" moments with the family. A time for everyone to be nice to each other (or to pretend to be nice :icon_lol:). It´s party time, isn´t it? :D
Let´s have a reason to give presents to each other with the elbow! Let´s have a reason to meet mother in law and behave as if you like her! :th_bravo:
Come on folks! X-mas is fun! Decorating the home is cool!
Do people really care when Jesus was born? May be 30 years ago that was a sacred reason, but not now days in our society. Ask children what´s fun with celebrating x-mas! They will tell you that they can´t wait for their iphone 5 :icon_lol:
I agree Gema. I am not Christian but I've been celebrating Christmas since I was little. I like to sing Christmas Carols. Once, a friend of mine suggested that I should join a choir that sings during Christmas and Easter. When I joined the choir I discovered that not only Christians were singing in it. I enjoyed singing along with other people and we were always rehearsing for Christmas and Easter. I even played on my flute a couple of times in different churches during that time because again, my friends asked me to. It was real fun. But when it comes to my personal belief, well, I don't think Jesus was born on the 25th of December either and Christmas is not sacred for me. But for so many people this time of the year is a special time. It's the time where people share love, when they visit each other, when they think about the others in need. It's a shame not to do the same just because I'm not Christian. I love the "Jingle bells" tune than can be heard every where during Christmas time. I call it: Christmas spirit. It's always fun to have fun with others, no matter what our belief is, as long as we keep it to ourselves and enjoy our time. It happened several times that some texts in some songs were describing certain things that contradict with my beliefs. Well, I didn't sing only those phrase and sang the rest of the songs because the rest was ok for me and I had my fun with the others as well.
You are a sweetie pie, you know! :D
Ohhhh MJonmind ;)
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X-mas is a nice festivity of the year! and the church concerts are beautiful. I am planning to give myself a nice gift, but don´t know which yet ;)
There are so many religions in the world that I am curious to find out if I am able to celebrate all of them during the year, but I guess that presents are part of the christian tradition, only? hhhmmm, interesting read.
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Just a few things I noticed today:
Previously in the thread we were discussing the 1260 days from 6/25/09 to 12/6/12 and wondering if something significant might happen on 12/6.
Earlier today I was re-reading the TIai update #6: Michael & Elvis, DOuble-bam This Summer?!? which was posted June 16th 2010 http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,11061.0.html (I know we came up with other interpretations in the title of this update but can't also help but see in the title "Michael & Elvis Do TS" :icon_cool: )
Anyway, I noticed the Section 6-12 in this Update which I thought was interesting in light of this thread and I have copied it below. This is also the section which has those numbers at the end of it. I can't recall if we ever figured out the meaning of them?
Also another interesting thing is that TS stopped posting at 24 posts...the last post by TS was TIai update #6.5: Michael & Elvis, DOUBle-scam from TS?? http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,16148.msg274421.html#msg274421
after which they were made under TS_comments.
So here early on we have 12/6 (or 6-12) in this case and also 24 = 42 backwards.
6-12 Daniel 10:21 and Michael {http://http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=daniel%2010:21&version=KJV}
There were some good comments for the day, on this redirect {http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10837}. One of the main reasons for this redirect, however, was again because of the questions and discussion that came up about my identity, etc (see 6-10, above).
And for those who still aren’t sure if TS has inside information: one more time, here is the TIAI list of predictions, etc—with the latest Elvis ones added. Please note that these are merely reminders; if you are new, some of these might not make sense without reading all of the TS posts first.
#1. MJ investigation complete, only two days after TIAI announced Update #1.
#2. 333 pages of FBI files, planned release on same day as TIAI Revealed.
#3. $9.99 while LaToya shopping, connecting with “99” days after 9-9-09.
#4. Six 911 articles on TMZ, the day after TIAI conspiracies on Google (911, etc).
#5. Murray on TMZ news four times, the same day as the TIAI Murray redirect.
#6. Vendetta on 11-5; Evan Chandler / Emerald City on 11-17 (70th anniversary).
#7. 2012 trailer, a week before “Jackson” and many other MJ parallels came out.
#8. TII Resurrection scene in a graveyard (not funeral & casket, etc).
#9. TII would Reveal the hoax (Smooth Criminal, no RIP, BAM statement, etc).
#10. TII would show the MJ “Return” (this very word is now on the DVD).
#11. 1998 autograph codes; 77 days & 7 days all pointed to 9-9-09, fulfilled by several TII and MJ related events.
#12. ALLJACK5ONS tweet on 1-18 about TIAI “Revealed” (also the 3-11 tweet).
#13. TMZ clue on January 25.
#14. TMZ, Murray, and murder versus hoax clue on February 5.
#15. High probability of “piece by piece” return starting in January (see #12, etc).
#16. Autopsy finalized 9-9-09, released just one day after I said “9-9-09 update”.
#17. TIAI redirect to TMZ, less than an hour before the big MJ Killed Himself post.
#18. Update #4 (4-44), #17 article posted on 4-4 at 4:00 AM (444).
#19. Elvis redirect on 5-10, several Elvis events happen from 5-12 to 5-20 (next).
#20. Update 5 (with 12 sections) on 5-12 at 5:12 AM; later that day TMZ starts LMP series from 5-12 to 5-17. Also, Linda talks to Jesse on 5-12.
#21. The final part of TIAI Update (#5d) is posted evening of 5-19 (CA time). On 5-19, Eliza posted a message on her homepage, for the first time in about four months; then on 5-20, the article by attorney Mayoras was posted (6-1, above).
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Adi, great observations! Wow! And it makes sense as well!
So the first title reads, ‘TIME, Michael & Elvis DO TS’, and the second you listed is ‘TIME Michael & Elvis DOUBTS’.
Then there was what Bec found, a News of the World article with comments made by Jesse, S.T.U.D.Y. and Lisa.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,5167.msg393053.html#msg393053
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I posted,
Could be the hoax 'Trinity' as shown in the News of the World article's comments by S.T.U.D.Y, Lisa, and Jesse P. That's where I believe the evidence points to at this point. Or simply MJ and Elvis would be authorS. From what we've learned thus far, they alone have the proven background love for reading firstly the Bible, and also a wealth of off-the-beaten path and not so available material on 'true religion of love' for this world encompassing all faiths and more, with thousands of books in their libraries. Hey, what could Elvis have been quietly doing all these years since 1977, where he's not so visible--READING! Lisa could be the go-between to some extent. She has strong love for both of them, and perhaps is the glue.
And RK wrote,
Everyone has probably already realized this little bit of information, but in Sign 1....there is this sentence....
Nor do the authorS have membership in any religious organization.
Authors is plural. So more than one person or perhaps more than two people were involved in writing sign1. I guess that would have to affect the feel, style and subject matter of the entire post.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,5167.msg395683.html#msg395683
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Two more connections concerning the Notw article which was mentioned in the Back post discussions.
LMP was cited "I could have saved Michael Jackson"
http://tvnz.co.nz/entertainment-news/lisa-marie-i-could-have-saved-michael-jackson-3850215 (http://tvnz.co.nz/entertainment-news/lisa-marie-i-could-have-saved-michael-jackson-3850215),
which refers directly to the Notw article of James Desborough with the "trinity" comments of S.T.U.D.Y., Lisa and JesseP.
"I could have saved Michael Jackson"
Killing case doc has get-out-of-jail card
SAD: Star's body is taken away
By James Desborough, 12/09/2010
THE doc accused of killing Michael Jackson claims he could have
saved the star - but was DENIED a life- saving heart machine."
This James Desborough is the same person who was arrested in the U.K.
James Desborough joined the NoW in 2005 and later became its LA-based US editor. He attended a south London police station by appointment on 18 August and was held on suspicion of conspiring to intercept communications. In March 2012, he was released from police bail and told no further action would be taken.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12296392 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12296392)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17528749 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17528749)
He's the same who revealed
Michael Jackson's deathbed photo — World exclusive photo reveals desperate struggle to save Jacko's life — DRAMATIC new details of the desperate battle to save Michael Jackson's life are revealed today after the News of the World unearthed a photograph of his DEATHBED.
among many other articles about MJ. In fact, James Desborough determined the colour of mud he threw during years upon the Jackson family while he was the US editor for Notw. He has an impressive career in mud throwing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Desborough (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Desborough)
About his arrest:
The allegations are believed to relate to events prior to Desborough being promoted to be the newspaper's Los Angeles-based US editor in April 2009.
He was given the job less than a month after winning the British Press Award for showbusiness reporter of the year.
His move to the US makes his arrest, the 13th made by Operation Weeting, particularly significant. If Desborough was involved in hacking while in Britain, as police appear to believe he was, it raises the question of whether he practised those techniques in the US – and if so, whether he was the first and only News of the World journalist in the US to do so.
http://themurdochempireanditsnestofvipers.blogspot.de/2011/08/hackgate-goes-to-hollywood-as-james.html (http://themurdochempireanditsnestofvipers.blogspot.de/2011/08/hackgate-goes-to-hollywood-as-james.html)
J. Desborough was appointed US editor by Colin Myler who was one of the key figures in the phone hacking scandal in the UK, who was found to be lying about involvement of employees.
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201012/cmselect/cmcumeds/903/903i.pdf (http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201012/cmselect/cmcumeds/903/903i.pdf)
J. Desborough wrote articles about Michael's death like this for the Notw:
Michael Jackson to give evidence from beyond grave..for the defence
By James Desborough, 14/02/2010
[...]
In the recording - which can be heard here - Murray, 56, sounds calm as he informs patient
Bob Russell about a heart scan:
Hear Conrad Murray's voicemail that could be key evidence in trial
Dig up Jacko!
Calls for retest on King of Pop's body
By James Desborough, US Editor, 29/08/2010
MICHAEL Jackson's body may have to be unearthed in a bid to get
his doctor off the hook in court.
Conrad Murray's lawyers plan to challenge the star's autopsy, which found
he killed him with an overdose of sedative Propofol.
All above quoted Notw articles are only available as citations on third sources as the homepage has been shut down.
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Ellyd, thanks for finding this interesting information!
The words of Lisa are similar to this article of her blog right after June 25, where she says, "The exact Scenario". TS !
http://blog.newsok.com/gossip/2009/06/26/lisa-marie/