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Title: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: jujubii on October 19, 2012, 06:44:48 PM
 :P


I don't openly talk about my beLIEving to anyone, period.
That's just my way. (You're the only ones who know I really, truly know Michael is still out there.)


I sometimes hint to my mom (since she's open-minded like I am) that "things were very very weird when Michael 'died' and...honestly, I don't think he's really dead." But she never really believes me.

So, something's been bothering me majorly since the last time I did that.



My mom's main explanation for how MJ cannot be alive is: "Michael was the kindest, sweetest person. He would never fake his death like that, that's terrible. He loves his fans, he could NEVER do that to them. Make them suffer like that."


I'm sure a lot of you guys got this from loved ones or friends around you, too.


I'm embarrassed to say I had absolutely no answer for my mom. I just agreed with her on how wonderfully sweet and kind Michael is, because...I didn't know what to say... :'( I felt so horrible. Like I'd forgotten who Michael is and I was just desperate for him to be alive or something.

What if she's right?... about how he'd never hoax...?

My question to you smart, gorgeous people: How do you answer the "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" arguement?


I'd love an answer to my silly little topic if you guys have the time.. <3
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: scorpionchik on October 19, 2012, 07:04:41 PM
Your mom is right......partially. MJ isn't prankster when it concerns to serious issues like life threat. Therefore, my theory of hoax possibility is based on reasoning that MJ's life was in danger and he had to hoax, then should be back to take over injustice and evil.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: paula-c on October 19, 2012, 08:14:53 PM
Those who really know what Michael to do or not do are those who knew the man, not the artist, and only he and his family know the reason for all of this, the fans have no right to judge him, I agree that his life was in danger
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: bugsy on October 19, 2012, 09:20:12 PM
In my heart since the day they announced his death felt he was alive but I did at times ponder this thought... and thought it had to be for serious reasons like he was in trouble and his life was on the line.. but..

If fans decided to taker the hook, line and sinker and not question the inconsistencies, just believed what they saw in print and on the tv, even though for many years michael had repeated over and over "just because it's in print, doesn't make it true" then the fans hurt themselves to a point..

his death had holes in it and anyone willing to delve deeper would have been able to question and believe he was alive.

if michael had not left holes in it from the moment it happened, and then suddenly came out then that would be absolutely terrible of him to hurt millions if not billions of people but he has been leaving a trail and it's been up to the fan to follow that trail or the rabbit hole, i think it's clever because he can't be blamed for people not looking closer.. he has been sending the "i'm alive" since the memorial and before just fans really haven't SEEN it and realized, they have gone with what's in print and on the tv and followed blindly, when people do that..even though there has been very big signs saying "i'm alive" and still believe his dead... is he to blame for them unwilling to look further?

a movie.... how many people have watched a movie and cried because they thought some one was dead and turned out there was a twist at the end? how many saw the clues and realized after the initial sadness that it was  not true and laughed and enjoyed the movie? E.T gets me every time, even though i know he survives and goes home, I use to cry at his death and all of a sudden he is alive again. are the film makers and every one involved bad because they made people cry?no, because they are told straight out it's a movie, now i have lost thought pattern on this... oh yeah, so since day one michael has left subtle clues he was alive and people ignored them and were hurt by his "death" has michael done that to them?
a death hoax can't be a death hoax if he says "Folks I'm alive but this is a death hoax so please just pretend I'm dead" broadcasted on live tv? No... that would be pointless and so he left a trail of clues from the very start.

Ok I might have said this in a way that's confusing but i don't think i can say it better, I have tried

but there is many lessons involved in this hoax from where my view is and the first and for most...

investigate for yourself, don't continue to believe what's on your tv and in the news papers, think for yourself, don't just accept something because it's being fed to you.
Through this I have realized how gullible the public is in relying on the media and tv to give them the truth and they lack the wish to investigate the stories to see if they have any truth.

His troubles with the press has had fans (not all but a majority) believing in them even for a short time, and i think his blasting that truth wide open, and it will be shown once he comes back, I can imagine in his own way saying "see I told you for too many years to not believe in everything you see and hear
" often we need to be shown through experience rather than just in words what right in front of us whether truth or illusion. I have often had to explain something to someone through action rather than just words because the words were being ignored and it's paramont people take back their own minds and stop being led like sheep. Media are there these days to make money for their selves, they won't report what's not going to make them rich and he kept trying to say that. I think this is the first lesson he taught/teaching us because it is where the reports of his death came from to begin with and then the "circus" started from there.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: bec on October 20, 2012, 12:33:51 AM
Do what? His fans of all people should know he's alive. He's left enough clues, hints, and whispers so that anyone who wants to know can find out the truth.  We are living proof of that.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on October 20, 2012, 02:17:01 AM
Honestly, although Michael did leave clues, we all suffered at some point. The moment I heard Michael died, I was a complete mess. But the hoax was so much bigger than that, obviously he knew his fans would be devastated but he had to do this. And like Bec said, afterwards there have been so many clues that every fan has the chance to catch on and believe he is alive as well. Some choose to ignore it and believe he's dead... I guess that's their loss, right?
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: curls on October 20, 2012, 02:53:03 AM
And the clues, hints and whispers started way before 25th June 2009 - as Bec says, his fans more than anyone should've been aware and 'alive' to the idea.  I wonder if most of those 'fans' were so wrapped up in the King of Pop persona, that they failed to see and hear the man behind it.  It's interesting that many of us still here on this site were never 'fans' as such before MJ's 'death', and I wonder if that allowed us to be more 'detached' and open minded.  Just a possibility, not a judgement, you understand.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: MarineBeLIEve on October 20, 2012, 04:46:01 AM
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Honestly, although Michael did leave clues, we all suffered at some point. The moment I heard Michael died, I was a complete mess. But the hoax was so much bigger than that, obviously he knew his fans would be devastated but he had to do this. And like Bec said, afterwards there have been so many clues that every fan has the chance to catch on and believe he is alive as well. Some choose to ignore it and believe he's dead... I guess that's their loss, right?

I totally agree with you !
And when he comes back, I laugh in the face of everyone who called me crazy
  :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: MJonmind on October 20, 2012, 05:51:51 AM
I agree with above posts!

I would say that, ‘true art never dies’.   This MJ hoax masterpiece is going to be recognized for its ground breaking brilliance and unparalleled complexity in fine detail, layers of mystery, for generations to come. As far as ARG’s go, the enormity of it, the number of people involved, the expense, the degree of difficulty playing and understanding clues, etc. is breathtaking.

I think the guideline that MJ follows is not what will please the fans, but what will fulfill his dreams and plans, that he has carried in his heart since he was young, and that he may be feeling came from God, as he says his lyrics come from.  He has said he wants his life to be the Greatest show on earth, and he wants to Heal the world.  He won’t do either of these by only trying to please other people.  And perhaps the only answer really is, ‘The end justifies the means’ – whatever Bam is and everything else that will happen to ‘bring back love and justice’ to the world.  TS/Front hinted that the divide between the believers or not, will be brought together eventually.

Here’s Michael speaking to the dancers and crew in This is It, which some say is a guide to the hoax.
 
Quote
Everybody's doing a great job.
 
Let's continue
and believe and have faith.
 
Give me your all, your endurance,
your patience, and your understanding.
 
But it's an adventure,
it's a great adventure.
 
It's nothing to be nervous about.
 
They just want wonderful
experiences, they want escapism.
 
We wanna take them places
that they've never been before.
 
We wanna show them talent
like they've never seen before.
 
So give your all.
 
And I love you all.
And we're a family.
 
Just know that.
We're a family.
 
That's right.
Amen.
 
We're putting love back into the world to
remind the world that love is important.
 
Love is important. To love each other.
We're all one. That's the message.
 
And take care of the planet.
 
We have four years to get it right or else
it's irreversible, the damage we've done.
 
So we have an important
message to give.
 
Okay? It's important.
 
But I thank you for your cooperation
so far. Thank you. Big thank you.
 
Blessings! Blessings to all.
http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/a1/this-is-it-script-transcript.html  (near bottom)

Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: paula-c on October 20, 2012, 09:23:45 AM
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Do what? His fans of all people should know he's alive. He's left enough clues, hints, and whispers so that anyone who wants to know can find out the truth.  We are living proof of that.




they should know or at least suspect, I have never been a fan I know is alive, many of them believe died as a weak ill man and drug addict.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: hesouttamylife on October 20, 2012, 09:26:27 AM
Nothing to this point has persuaded me to forego my initial belief that Michael’s hoax though in the making for years was heightened by some series of events that caused him to have to hoax when he did.  I don’t think anyone KNOWS with any 100% certainty what Michael would or would not do.  No one but him.  As far as him not doing this or that to hurt his fans  :confused: well what about him?  I think in matters of the heart, he did more than his share for the fans.  However, when his own life is jeopardized I don’t see his love for his fans taking precedence over his sense of responsibility to himself and/or his children.  If he hoaxed and left his children, that further says to me that this was serious and to leave was more loving than to stay.  I don’t profess to know everything and trust in Michael’s choices being the best for him and his family what ever the reason.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: bugsy on October 20, 2012, 09:38:20 AM
I have always thought one question concerning doing this to protect himself and his children and being in danger... why the clues that even the people he would be hiding from could see? Not only that, if he faked his death to escape danger, the people he was danger from would they not read here and then realize it was a faked death? would that not be risky for his children and his family? because if he was running from danger they could attempt to bring him out by using his family members as hostage? that's the main reason once I realized there was clues that I stopped thinking it was to save his life...unless there is answers that are possible for that?
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: bec on October 20, 2012, 09:42:14 AM
That's why I think it's clear that MJ's life is/wasn't in danger and, like the FBI tangent, is just another side story aka fiction.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on October 20, 2012, 10:32:26 AM
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Nothing to this point has persuaded me to forego my initial belief that Michael’s hoax though in the making for years was heightened by some series of events that caused him to have to hoax when he did.  I don’t think anyone KNOWS with any 100% certainty what Michael would or would not do.  No one but him.  As far as him not doing this or that to hurt his fans  :confused: well what about him? I think in matters of the heart, he did more than his share for the fans.  However, when his own life is jeopardized I don’t see his love for his fans taking precedence over his sense of responsibility to himself and/or his children.  If he hoaxed and left his children, that further says to me that this was serious and to leave was more loving than to stay.  I don’t profess to know everything and trust in Michael’s choices being the best for him and his family what ever the reason.

@Jujubii...you just have to say to your mom that Michael was in serious danger and his life (in this case) was more important than his own fans and in order not to hurt them he left all these clues/hints (death hoax ) behind him....with this explanation I think your mom will understand what you mean, just try it once more honey you will for sure be successful this time  :icon_e_smile:
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: hesouttamylife on October 20, 2012, 11:46:42 AM
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I have always thought one question concerning doing this to protect himself and his children and being in danger... why the clues that even the people he would be hiding from could see? Not only that, if he faked his death to escape danger, the people he was danger from would they not read here and then realize it was a faked death? would that not be risky for his children and his family? because if he was running from danger they could attempt to bring him out by using his family members as hostage? that's the main reason once I realized there was clues that I stopped thinking it was to save his life...unless there is answers that are possible for that?

Nobody sees these as “clues” but believers.  The rest of the world thinks we are ALL delusional and would see a clue in a drop of water if given the challenge.  The clues for people who haven’t been following them and putting dots together because they mean nothing alone, falls more often than not on blind eyes and deaf ears.  So this argument to me is insignificant.  Most of the world believes Michael is dead.  We, for what ever the reason, are the chosen ones.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: marumjj on October 20, 2012, 12:19:04 PM
IMO there is no perfect plan, everything has its risk and MJ possibly took it into account, but it is impossible at such a decision, claiming that nobody gets hurt, at this point I can say that is a secret known to millions. And if anyone has followed MJ for a while can not say he does not know that there is a hoax installed for over three years, just depends on you keep the "official" story. with love
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: hesouttamylife on October 20, 2012, 12:28:22 PM
There have been many occasions where I have tried to make someone who is not a believer at least try to see what I see.  They look at me as if thinking, when is she gonna just leave it alone .  It boggles me  :Pulling_hair:  Sometimes I wonder do I just keep it to myself or risk being thought of as “poor thing”  any and every time I mention Michael’s name.  :icon_e_confused: It is frustrating.  They have made up their minds that Michael is dead and it is time to move on and leave it alone.  I know I cannot impose my beliefs on anyone else, but it is very hard to hear him being spoken of in past tense and not say something.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: Andrea on October 20, 2012, 12:29:07 PM
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Do what? His fans of all people should know he's alive. He's left enough clues, hints, and whispers so that anyone who wants to know can find out the truth.  We are living proof of that.


they should know or at least suspect, I have never been a fan I know is alive, many of them believe died as a weak ill man and drug addict.

Everyone is responsible for their own actions and what they choose to believe.  If some don't see it, it's pretty hard to convince them otherwise.  It's like trying to explain TPTB to someone who trusts the media and governments.  So Michael has given everyone a chance to open their eyes here, to dig deeper and not be a victim to media lies.  I'm sure he knew the majority wouldn't catch on but he's given them more than enough to work with.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: Andrea on October 20, 2012, 12:31:54 PM
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There have been many occasions where I have tried to make someone who is not a believer at least try to see what I see.  They look at me as if thinking, when is she gonna just leave it alone .  It boggles me  :Pulling_hair:  Sometimes I wonder do I just keep it to myself or risk being thought of as “poor thing”  any and every time I mention Michael’s name.  :icon_e_confused: It is frustrating.  They have made up their minds that Michael is dead and it is time to move on and leave it alone.  I know I cannot impose my beliefs on anyone else, but it is very hard to hear him being spoken of in past tense and not say something.

There's a guy at my work who every time he see me, the first thing he says is "He's dead ya know".  I just have to laugh at him and then he laughs at me.  You're right, you can't make someone see what you see - they have to seek it out themselves.  Most don't bother though.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: hesouttamylife on October 20, 2012, 12:43:31 PM
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There have been many occasions where I have tried to make someone who is not a believer at least try to see what I see.  They look at me as if thinking, when is she gonna just leave it alone .  It boggles me  :Pulling_hair:  Sometimes I wonder do I just keep it to myself or risk being thought of as “poor thing”  any and every time I mention Michael’s name.  :icon_e_confused: It is frustrating.  They have made up their minds that Michael is dead and it is time to move on and leave it alone.  I know I cannot impose my beliefs on anyone else, but it is very hard to hear him being spoken of in past tense and not say something.

There's a guy at my work who every time he see me, the first thing he says is "He's dead ya know".  I just have to laugh at him and then he laughs at me.  You're right, you can't make someone see what you see - they have to seek it out themselves.  Most don't bother though.

I feel you, Andrea.  Sometimes I feel like they are thinking “dead man walking” just from the looks on their faces.  Sometime I guess as Michael sang in the WIZ, you can’t win.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: marumjj on October 20, 2012, 01:08:21 PM
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There have been many occasions where I have tried to make someone who is not a believer at least try to see what I see.  They look at me as if thinking, when is she gonna just leave it alone .  It boggles me  :Pulling_hair:  Sometimes I wonder do I just keep it to myself or risk being thought of as “poor thing”  any and every time I mention Michael’s name.  :icon_e_confused: It is frustrating.  They have made up their minds that Michael is dead and it is time to move on and leave it alone.  I know I cannot impose my beliefs on anyone else, but it is very hard to hear him being spoken of in past tense and not say something.

I feel the same, but I only show and let people scratching their heads, if anyone asks, I answer. It is a personal decision, if in doubt, then: looking to find!
It's like spreading love, get on a bus here and you see all dogs with angry face, and say "good morning" and get a smiling face, just about to take an attitude.

"I know I can not impose my beliefs on anyone, but it is very difficult to hear what is spoken in the past tense and not say anything"

What you say is true but many people prefer to be blind, deaf and dumb. Hopefully soon some BAM they hit on the head, perhaps awaken :LolLolLolLol:

I love this family!!
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: hesouttamylife on October 20, 2012, 01:12:52 PM
Exactly  :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: paula-c on October 20, 2012, 05:28:47 PM
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There have been many occasions where I have tried to make someone who is not a believer at least try to see what I see.  They look at me as if thinking, when is she gonna just leave it alone .  It boggles me  :Pulling_hair:  Sometimes I wonder do I just keep it to myself or risk being thought of as “poor thing”  any and every time I mention Michael’s name.  :icon_e_confused: It is frustrating.  They have made up their minds that Michael is dead and it is time to move on and leave it alone.  I know I cannot impose my beliefs on anyone else, but it is very hard to hear him being spoken of in past tense and not say something.

There's a guy at my work who every time he see me, the first thing he says is "He's dead ya know".  I just have to laugh at him and then he laughs at me.  You're right, you can't make someone see what you see - they have to seek it out themselves.  Most don't bother though.





















I had my sister a little convinced that MJ is alive, until Murray " went to jail ". My sister told me that an explanation of how it could be that if MJ is alive there is a man in prison, well, I will explain some things on the trial and that I had doubts that Murray was in prison, ... the response of she was ja, ja, ja
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: wishingstar on October 20, 2012, 08:04:27 PM
So Michael wouldn't do what to his fans?
 
Give them the thrill of a lifetime? 
Give them the opportunity to better themselves through hard study and reading? 
Give them the opportunity to see the mainstream media for the the bloodsuckers they are?
Give them the opportunity to broaden their horizons beyond his gold pants?  (sorry Gina...nothin' but love..)
Give them the opportunity to seek the truth of his life?
Give them the opportunity to finally give respect to the world's greatest entertainment family?
Give them the opportunity to find a deeper meaning to life and appreciate what we are given? 

I just don't understand that whole "he wouldn't do this to his fans" thing.  He always strived to make new
pathways in entertainment.  He broke barriers and shattered records all his life.  I clearly don't have all the
answers to Michael's hoax.  But, what I do have is an understanding that he didn't do this to his fans,
he did it for his fans.

Blessings Always
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: hesouttamylife on October 20, 2012, 08:40:12 PM
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So Michael wouldn't do what to his fans?
 
Give them the thrill of a lifetime? 
Give them the opportunity to better themselves through hard study and reading? 
Give them the opportunity to see the mainstream media for the the bloodsuckers they are?
Give them the opportunity to broaden their horizons beyond his gold pants?  (sorry Gina...nothin' but love..)
Give them the opportunity to seek the truth of his life?
Give them the opportunity to finally give respect to the world's greatest entertainment family?
Give them the opportunity to find a deeper meaning to life and appreciate what we are given? 

I just don't understand that whole "he wouldn't do this to his fans" thing.  He always strived to make new
pathways in entertainment.  He broke barriers and shattered records all his life.  I clearly don't have all the
answers to Michael's hoax.  But, what I do have is an understanding that he didn't do this to his fans,
he did it for his fans.

Blessings Always

 :th_bravo:
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: bec on October 20, 2012, 09:44:33 PM
Chosen ones? I think we inflate our importance. We're the weirdos who believe loony tunes conspiracy theories and refuse to give up.

It's just what you chose to focus on. Other people chose to focus on their work and family/friends, etc. We chose to focus on this. If his fans want to say "oh you fooled us, how dare you" we are proof that if you care enough aka are emotionally traumatized by it enough to look into it more closely you would, like us, be a death hoax believer, and not a deader. And death hoax believers cannot claim emotional trauma because they (think they) know he's alive.

I think that's the purpose we serve.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: wishingstar on October 20, 2012, 09:56:46 PM
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So Michael wouldn't do what to his fans?
 
Give them the thrill of a lifetime? 
Give them the opportunity to better themselves through hard study and reading? 
Give them the opportunity to see the mainstream media for the the bloodsuckers they are?
Give them the opportunity to broaden their horizons beyond his gold pants?  (sorry Gina...nothin' but love..)
Give them the opportunity to seek the truth of his life?
Give them the opportunity to finally give respect to the world's greatest entertainment family?
Give them the opportunity to find a deeper meaning to life and appreciate what we are given? 

I just don't understand that whole "he wouldn't do this to his fans" thing.  He always strived to make new
pathways in entertainment.  He broke barriers and shattered records all his life.  I clearly don't have all the
answers to Michael's hoax.  But, what I do have is an understanding that he didn't do this to his fans,
he did it for his fans.

Blessings Always

 :th_bravo:

 :bearhug: x 7

Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: curls on October 21, 2012, 05:28:02 AM
Perhaps MJ didn't do it to, or for, his fans - perhaps he thought they'd all catch on immediately! Perhaps it was for the rest of us, like me, who weren't fans, but were sitting on the sidelines waiting to be 'collected'!

Why would I, who wasn't a fan, who just liked MJ's music and along with the rest of the world, was somewhat intriqued by him; why would I, who unemotionally accepted he was dead for the first six months, albeit with strange vibes, which actually had started with the O2 announcement, of things not being quite right; why would I get inexplicably drawn to find out more about him, to spend hours, whole days and nights sometimes, watching videos, listening to songs, speeches and interviews, reading his lyrics, poetry and writings; why would I then, having decided this was a man who had deserved more than my previous fleeting, shallow interest, and being overwhelmed by how the whole scenario was just plain WRONG, why would I get the huge emotional thing hit me like a ton of bricks - nights of crying, not a few gentle tears, but overwhelming, body wrenching sobbing, helped along by those damn TINI testimonials.

Why would I go from that, believing him horribly dead ... via the 'could he possibly be alive?' idea .... and the 'he's more likely to be alive than dead' thoughts .... to the (happy) place I'm in now?!

Was it a case of clutching at anything that was better than that all-encompassing feeling of complete desolation? I don't think so. It felt like a natural progression.

Was it, as someone once wrote to me, that over the years, MJ had perfected the art of arousing people's curiosity about him (possibly with hindsight, with the express purpose of attracting people to his future hoax?) and I was simply displaying a natural response to that?

Curiosity --> receptiveness to 'odd' things --> desire to learn more --> emotional attachment --> receptiveness to even 'odder' things -->  somewhere near the truth, aka cloud cuckoo land!

I don't know - and I often wonder what was the trigger, why I didn't stay with everyone else in the comfortable circle of family, friends and the wider world.  But I'm glad I didn't!
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: MJonmind on October 21, 2012, 05:49:55 AM
Wishingstar!   You hit the nail on the head!! Bang bang!

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Perhaps MJ didn't do it to, or for, his fans - perhaps he thought they'd all catch on immediately! Perhaps it was for the rest of us, like me, who weren't fans, but were sitting on the sidelines waiting to be 'collected'!

Why would I, who wasn't a fan, who just liked MJ's music and along with the rest of the world, was somewhat intriqued by him; why would I, who unemotionally accepted he was dead for the first six months, albeit with strange vibes, which actually had started with the O2 announcement, of things not being quite right; why would I get inexplicably drawn to find out more about him, to spend hours, whole days and nights sometimes, watching videos, listening to songs, speeches and interviews, reading his lyrics, poetry and writings; why would I then, having decided this was a man who had deserved more than my previous fleeting, shallow interest, and being overwhelmed by how the whole scenario was just plain WRONG, why would I get the huge emotional thing hit me like a ton of bricks - nights of crying, not a few gentle tears, but overwhelming, body wrenching sobbing, helped along by those damn TINI testimonials.

Why would I go from that, believing him horribly dead ... via the 'could he possibly be alive?' idea .... and the 'he's more likely to be alive than dead' thoughts .... to the (happy) place I'm in now?!

Was it a case of clutching at anything that was better than that all-encompassing feeling of complete desolation? I don't think so. It felt like a natural progression.

Was it, as someone once wrote to me, that over the years, MJ had perfected the art of arousing people's curiosity about him (possibly with hindsight, with the express purpose of attracting people to his future hoax?) and I was simply displaying a natural response to that?

Curiosity --> receptiveness to 'odd' things --> desire to learn more --> emotional attachment --> receptiveness to even 'odder' things -->  somewhere near the truth, aka cloud cuckoo land!

I don't know - and I often wonder what was the trigger, why I didn't stay with everyone else in the comfortable circle of family, friends and the wider world.  But I'm glad I didn't!

Yep yep, that's me too!  His name never crossed my mind in 50 years for more that a few seconds.  But after checking into the news and learning a bit about him, my heart started producing real pain I was shocked about, and the pain stayed until I found hope that he hoaxed his death. It was like MJ was able to flip some unknown-to-me switch in my heart on.  :ghsdf: :icon_razz:
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: 2good2btrue on October 21, 2012, 06:12:07 AM
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Wishingstar!   You hit the nail on the head!! Bang bang!

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Perhaps MJ didn't do it to, or for, his fans - perhaps he thought they'd all catch on immediately! Perhaps it was for the rest of us, like me, who weren't fans, but were sitting on the sidelines waiting to be 'collected'!

Why would I, who wasn't a fan, who just liked MJ's music and along with the rest of the world, was somewhat intriqued by him; why would I, who unemotionally accepted he was dead for the first six months, albeit with strange vibes, which actually had started with the O2 announcement, of things not being quite right; why would I get inexplicably drawn to find out more about him, to spend hours, whole days and nights sometimes, watching videos, listening to songs, speeches and interviews, reading his lyrics, poetry and writings; why would I then, having decided this was a man who had deserved more than my previous fleeting, shallow interest, and being overwhelmed by how the whole scenario was just plain WRONG, why would I get the huge emotional thing hit me like a ton of bricks - nights of crying, not a few gentle tears, but overwhelming, body wrenching sobbing, helped along by those damn TINI testimonials.

Why would I go from that, believing him horribly dead ... via the 'could he possibly be alive?' idea .... and the 'he's more likely to be alive than dead' thoughts .... to the (happy) place I'm in now?!

Was it a case of clutching at anything that was better than that all-encompassing feeling of complete desolation? I don't think so. It felt like a natural progression.

Was it, as someone once wrote to me, that over the years, MJ had perfected the art of arousing people's curiosity about him (possibly with hindsight, with the express purpose of attracting people to his future hoax?) and I was simply displaying a natural response to that?

Curiosity --> receptiveness to 'odd' things --> desire to learn more --> emotional attachment --> receptiveness to even 'odder' things -->  somewhere near the truth, aka cloud cuckoo land!

I don't know - and I often wonder what was the trigger, why I didn't stay with everyone else in the comfortable circle of family, friends and the wider world.  But I'm glad I didn't!

Yep yep, that's me too!  His name never crossed my mind in 50 years for more that a few seconds.  But after checking into the news and learning a bit about him, my heart started producing real pain I was shocked about, and the pain stayed until I found hope that he hoaxed his death. It was like MJ was able to flip some unknown-to-me switch in my heart on.  :ghsdf: :icon_razz:

Been sitting on the sidelines lately, but still here....I also was not a fan, but listened and danced to his music throughout my life...Something drew my here...My human nature to decipher that something didn't sit right with his whole death scenerio and events that followed after that.  I'm still here and I'm STILL WATCHING.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: Ryania on October 21, 2012, 07:32:14 AM
I try to remain mostly silent about the whole hoax thing. I do speak about it to some -- occasionally -- but only those that I really trust. But no-one really seems to agree with me when it comes to stuff like this. They don't necessarily call me insane and superstitious, but they don't believe in it either. They say that it's kind of stupid and not true.

But what comes to the "Michael wouldn't do this to his fans" subject. Well, he never did anything to his fans. We are his fans, because we weren't brainwashed by the media bogus and instead look further than our noses. Even if some appreciate his music and listen to it then and now, that doesn't make them fans. At least not the kind of fans that we are. We understand what really happened, and we are willing to find out. As where the rest stick to the media title that the "King of Pop, Michael Jackson, died at 50". Pfft, yeah right.

So, technically he didn't hurt us, because we understand what happened. Are you mad? Are you offended? Am I? No. So, we can pretty much rule that out.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: hesouttamylife on October 21, 2012, 08:42:09 AM
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Chosen ones? I think we inflate our importance. We're the weirdos who believe loony tunes conspiracy theories and refuse to give up.

It's just what you chose to focus on. Other people chose to focus on their work and family/friends, etc. We chose to focus on this. If his fans want to say "oh you fooled us, how dare you" we are proof that if you care enough aka are emotionally traumatized by it enough to look into it more closely you would, like us, be a death hoax believer, and not a deader. And death hoax believers cannot claim emotional trauma because they (think they) know he's alive.

I think that's the purpose we serve.

 :icon_e_confused: I know that we are not “the chosen ones” literally.  It’s just an expression I chose from one of Michaels songs.  Surely others here know that.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: YouRnotAlone7 on October 21, 2012, 11:16:52 AM
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Chosen ones? I think we inflate our importance. We're the weirdos who believe loony tunes conspiracy theories and refuse to give up.

It's just what you chose to focus on. Other people chose to focus on their work and family/friends, etc. We chose to focus on this. If his fans want to say "oh you fooled us, how dare you" we are proof that if you care enough aka are emotionally traumatized by it enough to look into it more closely you would, like us, be a death hoax believer, and not a deader. And death hoax believers cannot claim emotional trauma because they (think they) know he's alive.

I think that's the purpose we serve.

 :th_bravo: :th_bravo: :th_bravo:
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: blankie on October 21, 2012, 02:49:50 PM
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Those who really know what Michael to do or not do are those who knew the man, not the artist, and only he and his family know the reason for all of this, the fans have no right to judge him, I agree that his life was in danger

Totally agree with you.
Michael made the best choice for his life. He is an extremely intelligent person,  and if he wanted the  June 25,was, no doubt, for good reasons.
I can only say that I will continue to be, I never tire of being close to him as I can... staying here with all my L.O.V.E. and my respect for his choices.

With eternal L.O.V.E.  :bearhug: :moonwalk_:

Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: curls on October 21, 2012, 03:04:36 PM
I'm wondering why so many here lately seem to be supporting the 'his life was in danger' theory? Makes no sense to me to be leaving clues, hints and whispers left, right and centre, if you're trying to get yourself to safety.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on October 21, 2012, 05:11:35 PM
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I'm wondering why so many here lately seem to be supporting the 'his life was in danger' theory? Makes no sense to me to be leaving clues, hints and whispers left, right and centre, if you're trying to get yourself to safety.

Because if you are in danger and then you shout it out then you are not in danger anymore furthermore it seems Michael is being back up by FBI and much more.... The ones who believe Michael was in danger is because among his clues/hints is that Michael's taped conversation where he says he was in danger we can believe it or not that's our choice but what it's true is that we won't know it until Michael wants to explain us.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: hesouttamylife on October 21, 2012, 05:29:53 PM
…and because if there’s anything besides investigating and reading between the lines that we have learned from this forum, it is to think for yourself and not play follow the leader.  :judge-smiley:
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: scorpionchik on October 21, 2012, 06:18:22 PM
Why would Michael leave clues if his life was in danger? Because only fans listen to it not bad guys who believe they successfully killed him with hands of Murray. Those bad guys are subject of take over/revenge. But, I personally still think of possibility that MJ will not be back.
Other than this, I don't accept long time hoax plan to just shock the world and show what he is capable of. I don'tt say MJ never considered and wanted to ESCAPE,of course he has, but still to explain chain of events we have been observing,  there must be a serious reason for hoax.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: paula-c on October 21, 2012, 06:19:35 PM
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I'm wondering why so many here lately seem to be supporting the 'his life was in danger' theory? Makes no sense to me to be leaving clues, hints and whispers left, right and centre, if you're trying to get yourself to safety.





I have always thought, perhaps I had never expressed, and that thing makes me to think  as? well, there are only  to read your life and all the bad things they did to him, There are people who hate him
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: bugsy on October 21, 2012, 08:40:06 PM
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Why would Michael leave clues if his life was in danger? Because only fans listen to it not bad guys who believe they successfully killed him with hands of Murray. Those bad guys are subject of take over/revenge. But, I personally still think of possibility that MJ will not be back.
Other than this, I don't accept long time hoax plan to just shock the world and show what he is capable of. I don'tt say MJ never considered and wanted to ESCAPE,of course he has, but still to explain chain of events we have been observing,  there must be a serious reason for hoax.

I don't think his hoaxing this to just shock people, i am beginning to think that he is leading his army of love to the 21st december 2012 so we fill the world we the love he has shown us and given us.. who hasn't become more spiritual on this journey?who hasn't gained much more love in their hearts and want to radiate out to all corners of the earth? Michael wants world unity, love to spread around the world, to make it a better place, in the theme of his passion and his driving message through out the years, it fits perfectly to what the Mayans want the people of earth to do on the 21st december 2012 fill their hearts and minds with love and peace at the exact same time, if this can be achieved as the mayans believe the world will shift to that very place Michael was working so hard to send the message out. Mayans believe that we are entering a golden age, the end of duality of good and evil, Only love and joy.. and a higher consciousness.. in this is it, with his "army of love" he points up at what appears to be a clock saying 12:21 or 12:20... The 911 "12:21"  I have many thoughts on that.. he could have been saying when he would be back (the date) and using the army of love to represent us fillling our hearts with love, or he could have been saying 12:21 is the end of all that is bad due to the "they don't care about us" song is when he points to it, and the 911 was about an "ending" so I don't know but I don't think it's to "shock" the world and show his abilities

which I just thought of something.... 21st december 2012 there is a ceremony at itza temple.... from the rumors if they are true there will be some entertainment that will be aired.. if they want the world at 11:11 to open their hearts and minds... that means it starts before that time... 22:20? 10:20? was the other clocking looking light 10:20? or close to it?

just thoughts :)
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: curls on October 22, 2012, 04:02:35 PM
Hmm, not convinced!  Not saying there weren't people over the years who hated MJ and wanted him out of the way, but carefully planning and executing a faked death just doesn't fit with being in danger - in my opinion, thinking for myself, that's all.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: MJonmind on October 23, 2012, 04:40:53 AM
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Hmm, not convinced!  Not saying there weren't people over the years who hated MJ and wanted him out of the way, but carefully planning and executing a faked death just doesn't fit with being in danger - in my opinion, thinking for myself, that's all.
I've always believed it is some sort of anomalous unique thing going on-- MJ is experiencing real life, yet somehow has vision/ability to plan alter events that intertwine with reality, much like Jesus knew what was all going to happen to him, all going according to God's plan, and yet it was real.  So MJ really has enemies, but somehow he is able to change his environment, to bring them down.   Perhaps that was the CM trial as well, same mix.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: ilovemjforever on October 23, 2012, 04:05:06 PM
I believe Michael did what he had to do for many reasons.He had to be taken out of the way for evil to be exposed.This hoax,for lack of better terms,has truly opened my eyes to so many different things.Michael was/is a messenger from God,and his life and his disappearance was planned and had to happen for the sake of humanity.We all have learned so much from Michael s life,his art,his message,his pain,his suffering,and most importantly his love and faith in God.Job well done Michael  :th_bravo:,i love you and cant wait to see you again.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: Tove on October 31, 2012, 06:52:05 AM
This bodyguard interwiev cleared up a little reasons to the hoax or at least why He wanted to take a little time to breath freely: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8kpRucsAZI  By the way, it seems like these guys know better than well that here's a hoax going on (and wouldn't they). Just thought it would be nice to watch for you guys if you haven't already :icon_cool:
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: bugsy on October 31, 2012, 10:12:15 AM
They are probably the ones who are his current body guards, all the changing in staff prior was probably a big decoy so he could keep his staff he liked and trusted while the lights were on the ones who were employed around 25th june... would make sense
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: Jos on October 31, 2012, 07:07:54 PM
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Perhaps MJ didn't do it to, or for, his fans - perhaps he thought they'd all catch on immediately! Perhaps it was for the rest of us, like me, who weren't fans, but were sitting on the sidelines waiting to be 'collected'!

Why would I, who wasn't a fan, who just liked MJ's music and along with the rest of the world, was somewhat intriqued by him; why would I, who unemotionally accepted he was dead for the first six months, albeit with strange vibes, which actually had started with the O2 announcement, of things not being quite right; why would I get inexplicably drawn to find out more about him, to spend hours, whole days and nights sometimes, watching videos, listening to songs, speeches and interviews, reading his lyrics, poetry and writings; why would I then, having decided this was a man who had deserved more than my previous fleeting, shallow interest, and being overwhelmed by how the whole scenario was just plain WRONG, why would I get the huge emotional thing hit me like a ton of bricks - nights of crying, not a few gentle tears, but overwhelming, body wrenching sobbing, helped along by those damn TINI testimonials.

Why would I go from that, believing him horribly dead ... via the 'could he possibly be alive?' idea .... and the 'he's more likely to be alive than dead' thoughts .... to the (happy) place I'm in now?!

Was it a case of clutching at anything that was better than that all-encompassing feeling of complete desolation? I don't think so. It felt like a natural progression.

Was it, as someone once wrote to me, that over the years, MJ had perfected the art of arousing people's curiosity about him (possibly with hindsight, with the express purpose of attracting people to his future hoax?) and I was simply displaying a natural response to that?

Curiosity --> receptiveness to 'odd' things --> desire to learn more --> emotional attachment --> receptiveness to even 'odder' things -->  somewhere near the truth, aka cloud cuckoo land!

I don't know - and I often wonder what was the trigger, why I didn't stay with everyone else in the comfortable circle of family, friends and the wider world.  But I'm glad I didn't!


I recognize your story so very good  :)



To go back to the main question of this topic, I have to say that sometimes I do feel like a chosen one...
I really enjoy every possibility I have to explain why I feel that MJ isn't dead.

I had a hard time convincing my mother, but after some weeks of hard work  ;D she's now reading allmost everyday on this website.
My wife, is just tired of me....  She believes that this whole suposed death is strange, but every time there is a song of MJ on the tv or radio, she looks a bit angry at me saying  :) She says since I have told her about the hoax, every day she hear or see something of MJ//

My sister is an absolute non-believer and indeed is saying that he wouldn't do that to his fans.
My response is plain simple "he did". For what reason exactly I / we don't know and we have to wait and see for an explaination, if he will give one.

besides my family I also told it to other people.
By far the funniest moment was just a few weeks ago when 2 JW's were at the door.
They asked me if I believe in God  ("yes") and if I went to church of read the bible.

For the first time in my life, I let them into my house and told them that I, thanks to TS, indeed was reading the bible more often now.
When they asked me who TS was,....... yeah I had to try and explain right  ;D
I feel one of them was really interested in my story, so I gave her the URL of this forum so she could read for herself. Don't know if she did though.
At the end of my story to them, they were a bit "flabbergasted" a didn't even try to speak to me about the biblical story anymore.
They only had some questions about my story and I did my very best to answer them.


So I guess when you want to talk about it with your family or friends, just try. And if they have questions of critical opinions, just try to answer or let them read for themselves.  :bearhug:
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: bec on October 31, 2012, 11:33:37 PM
That's a great story, Jos.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: MJonmind on November 01, 2012, 05:19:42 PM
Jos, yeah for your mom!  If you're reading--Hi!  And your wife has got to stop fighting it and just give in...  :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile
Those poor JW's... :icon_lol:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ7qXHjxj_0[/youtube]
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on November 01, 2012, 07:19:27 PM
Very good job Jos, I am proud of you we all should try to spread Michael's hoax I am actually trying hard to convert non beLIEvers into beLIEvers although it's being a really hard work.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: Jos on November 01, 2012, 07:35:46 PM
Yeah but it is fun right  :)

@MJonmind  My mom says HI!  Love the song Give in To me!
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: Shamone Jackson on November 01, 2012, 09:32:19 PM
Yes, Michael is very sweet but he could do whatever he wants to do.  Jim Yukich, the guy that directed the "Liberian Girl" video said this about Michael:


“To this day, I’ve been – I guess not so much anymore, because years have gone by — but I was convinced when he died that he didn’t die. We made that video, and he said to me, ‘I would love to be hiding and see what people say about me, you know?’ I mean, having shot all that footage and then he died? It was just kind of weird.”
http://goldenageofmusicvideo.com/michael-jackson-dumped-david-spade-from-his-liberian-girl-video/

Michael said this...what, back in the late 80's?  Well imo, as he got older, he just expanded on that "Liberian Girl" video.  ;)
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on November 04, 2012, 04:45:43 AM
What TS posts is straight Fromm the bible. They wouldn't have been puzzled at the content.
Perhaps the messager, re: who where how.  :confused:


But TS' perplexing to anyone, I am sure. JW or not  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: hesouttamylife on November 04, 2012, 07:22:21 AM
@jos - love your story.  :beerchug:  Doesn’t it feel like a tiny weight is lifted when you are able to convince even one person to change?  I have 3 people so far who were at one time been on the other side of the hoax but came around to at least having reasonable doubt.  That took some work, but it paid off for me in that now I can finally talk to someone who doesn’t think I’m completely crazy when saying I believe Michael did not die on June 25th 2009.  Only one of them is completely convinced, but the other two are gaining ground as they read, read, read from this library of information I have gathered over the years.  Haven’t convinced them to get online with us yet, but hey, who knows, maybe soon.  Time and patience.

Thanks jos for sharing!
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on November 25, 2012, 04:29:14 PM
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I don't believe in the his life was in danger theory it doesn't coincide with anything and notice he has been saying that for years now ,that people were out to get him but he used this as the plot to do this ,many people had stated how Murray is the fall guy that he didn't really do it and its a Conspiracy. It's an excuse to move on with the big picture , you get wrapped up in his passing,memorial,funeral,revelations, the homicide trial that you don't pay attention to the obvious .Believers or well realists are here for the truth they see through the lines while everyone else (fans) are just mourning. Mj has prepared us for this if you really payed attention.he didn't say short films for a petty purpose. They are actually films that you have to dissect and take notice to what he is trying to convey ,that's why some short films go along with the hoax it's not a coincidence. He is basically testing us to see if we pay attention and is making sure we are getting the message.The entire experience since the beginning (whenever he planned this hoax)has been like a rehearsal but now it's Showtime! Some fans wallow in self doubt and don't think logically, I've seen a majority of them ignore the rational truth and speculate, get worked up over lies. It's quite upsetting. So yeah some people just chose to ignore it and use the same excuse "he wouldn't do that"!  NewsFlash you don't know him and you have no idea what is capable of doing . How do they have the gull of saying that?!Pretty hypocritical if you ask me , judging much. That's why I refuse to express my opinion when it comes to new "information"or the estate and his family because its planted. I'm stating this from experience I almost fell for it 2 years ago than I started researching and it made sense. You can't blame MJ for believing in everything, even when he admonished you to avoid it, that's a decision they made.

Quite accurate.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on November 25, 2012, 04:39:17 PM
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So Michael wouldn't do what to his fans?
 
Give them the thrill of a lifetime? 
Give them the opportunity to better themselves through hard study and reading? 
Give them the opportunity to see the mainstream media for the the bloodsuckers they are?
Give them the opportunity to broaden their horizons beyond his gold pants?  (sorry Gina...nothin' but love..)
Give them the opportunity to seek the truth of his life?
Give them the opportunity to finally give respect to the world's greatest entertainment family?
Give them the opportunity to find a deeper meaning to life and appreciate what we are given? 

I just don't understand that whole "he wouldn't do this to his fans" thing.  He always strived to make new
pathways in entertainment.  He broke barriers and shattered records all his life.  I clearly don't have all the
answers to Michael's hoax.  But, what I do have is an understanding that he didn't do this to his fans,
he did it for his fans.

Blessings Always

 :th_bravo: my thoughts too!!

@Jos, I can relate to your story about your efforts to convince others about the hoax (that your mom is reading here is just great! :icon_e_smile:). I can't say I'm trying to convince others around me, but more to get their attention to this forum, to get them interested to read, see beyond and investigate. I know that some do read here which is already a beginning ;)

LOVE always
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: bec on November 25, 2012, 08:11:28 PM
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I don't believe in the his life was in danger theory it doesn't coincide with anything and notice he has been saying that for years now ,that people were out to get him but he used this as the plot to do this ,many people had stated how Murray is the fall guy that he didn't really do it and its a Conspiracy. It's an excuse to move on with the big picture , you get wrapped up in his passing,memorial,funeral,revelations, the homicide trial that you don't pay attention to the obvious .Believers or well realists are here for the truth they see through the lines while everyone else (fans) are just mourning. Mj has prepared us for this if you really payed attention.he didn't say short films for a petty purpose. They are actually films that you have to dissect and take notice to what he is trying to convey ,that's why some short films go along with the hoax it's not a coincidence. He is basically testing us to see if we pay attention and is making sure we are getting the message.The entire experience since the beginning (whenever he planned this hoax)has been like a rehearsal but now it's Showtime! Some fans wallow in self doubt and don't think logically, I've seen a majority of them ignore the rational truth and speculate, get worked up over lies. It's quite upsetting. So yeah some people just chose to ignore it and use the same excuse "he wouldn't do that"!  NewsFlash you don't know him and you have no idea what is capable of doing . How do they have the gull of saying that?!Pretty hypocritical if you ask me , judging much. That's why I refuse to express my opinion when it comes to new "information"or the estate and his family because its planted. I'm stating this from experience I almost fell for it 2 years ago than I started researching and it made sense. You can't blame MJ for believing in everything, even when he admonished you to avoid it, that's a decision they made.

That's an excellent post, Sunnie. Bravo.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: Adore on November 27, 2012, 08:04:35 AM
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I don't believe in the his life was in danger theory it doesn't coincide with anything and notice he has been saying that for years now ,that people were out to get him but he used this as the plot to do this ,many people had stated how Murray is the fall guy that he didn't really do it and its a Conspiracy. It's an excuse to move on with the big picture , you get wrapped up in his passing,memorial,funeral,revelations, the homicide trial that you don't pay attention to the obvious .Believers or well realists are here for the truth they see through the lines while everyone else (fans) are just mourning. Mj has prepared us for this if you really payed attention.he didn't say short films for a petty purpose. They are actually films that you have to dissect and take notice to what he is trying to convey ,that's why some short films go along with the hoax it's not a coincidence. He is basically testing us to see if we pay attention and is making sure we are getting the message.The entire experience since the beginning (whenever he planned this hoax)has been like a rehearsal but now it's Showtime! Some fans wallow in self doubt and don't think logically, I've seen a majority of them ignore the rational truth and speculate, get worked up over lies. It's quite upsetting. So yeah some people just chose to ignore it and use the same excuse "he wouldn't do that"!  NewsFlash you don't know him and you have no idea what is capable of doing . How do they have the gull of saying that?!Pretty hypocritical if you ask me , judging much. That's why I refuse to express my opinion when it comes to new "information"or the estate and his family because its planted. I'm stating this from experience I almost fell for it 2 years ago than I started researching and it made sense. You can't blame MJ for believing in everything, even when he admonished you to avoid it, that's a decision they made.


I agree with everything you wrote, and especially with the bolded part. Great post !  :th_bravo:
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: hesouttamylife on November 27, 2012, 01:59:51 PM
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Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on November 29, 2012, 04:44:10 AM

Just my two cents for what it's worth. I vote "not in danger" agree with you all there. Esp the part about leaving clues of hoax if he were in real danger. Aside the fact of leaving hoax clues doesn't make sense if you are in danger, but also the 'danger' theory doesn't match and is not cohesive with the fact we know this hoax or at least preparations for it started in Bad era. It was a long term plan. Not a reactive effort to save his life...



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I just don't understand that whole "he wouldn't do this to his fans" thing.  He always strived to make new
pathways in entertainment.  He broke barriers and shattered records all his life.  I clearly don't have all the
answers to Michael's hoax.  But, what I do have is an understanding that he didn't do this to his fans,
he did it for his fans.

Blessings Always


Brilliant. Esp the part about new pathways in entertainment  :bowdown:


Also just wanted to add the following comment on the subject of this thread...

People who don't believe strongly or at all obviously aren't looking / following.

When you see a scary movie, are you then angry at the film maker because you got scared? If you cry after hearing beautiful music do you hate the singer? All good entertainment causes you to feel something and escape to that place that the story teller is trying to create for you. For someone to be upset by MJ and this 'new pathway' to entertainment, as it were put, they would be seeing this from selfish angle.

Who are we to say he wouldn't do this to his fans? Do we presume to know him and judge what is ethically wrong and right for him to decide. We aren't him and didn't have to live in his shoes.


I honestly believe that he NEVER intended to do the TII shows. He could have, but instead he chose a ground breaking platform and the "hoax" as the 'show' to give us. He is working on a new platform, smarter instead of harder with new innovative ways... Why be offended at that? Its the same thing. Its all entertainment (with valuable spiritual and humanitarian lessons to boot)

So I agree, "He wouldn't do this to his fans" doesn't really apply. It's void. In fact he 'did' do this for his fans. But unfortunately only a fraction of his fans metaphorically bought tickets (or paid attention)

They miss out. And to boot have no right to say "MJ wouldn't do this..."

The "fan" types that idolize MJ and put him on a pedastool as God and most mainstream consumers just can't see it. They are typically the ones who say "MJ would never do this" They love the KOP never got to understand the real MJ or respect the other things he stands for, innovation, spirituality, games, ground breaking entertainment and pioneering change (dance / music / movies / ARG / Concepts / platforms, etc)

In fact the hoax is the most creative expression of art in history. I feel privileged to be here.

Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: diggyon on November 29, 2012, 06:30:49 AM
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Just my two cents for what it's worth. I vote "not in danger" agree with you all there. Esp the part about leaving clues of hoax if he were in real danger. Aside the fact of leaving hoax clues doesn't make sense if you are in danger, but also the 'danger' theory doesn't match and is not cohesive with the fact we know this hoax or at least preparations for it started in Bad era. It was a long term plan. Not a reactive effort to save his life...



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I just don't understand that whole "he wouldn't do this to his fans" thing.  He always strived to make new
pathways in entertainment.  He broke barriers and shattered records all his life.  I clearly don't have all the
answers to Michael's hoax.  But, what I do have is an understanding that he didn't do this to his fans,
he did it for his fans.

Blessings Always


Brilliant. Esp the part about new pathways in entertainment  :bowdown:


Also just wanted to add the following comment on the subject of this thread...

People who don't believe strongly or at all obviously aren't looking / following.

When you see a scary movie, are you then angry at the film maker because you got scared? If you cry after hearing beautiful music do you hate the singer? All good entertainment causes you to feel something and escape to that place that the story teller is trying to create for you. For someone to be upset by MJ and this 'new pathway' to entertainment, as it were put, they would be seeing this from selfish angle.

Who are we to say he wouldn't do this to his fans? Do we presume to know him and judge what is ethically wrong and right for him to decide. We aren't him and didn't have to live in his shoes.


I honestly believe that he NEVER intended to do the TII shows. He could have, but instead he chose a ground breaking platform and the "hoax" as the 'show' to give us. He is working on a new platform, smarter instead of harder with new innovative ways... Why be offended at that? Its the same thing. Its all entertainment (with valuable spiritual and humanitarian lessons to boot)

So I agree, "He wouldn't do this to his fans" doesn't really apply. It's void. In fact he 'did' do this for his fans. But unfortunately only a fraction of his fans metaphorically bought tickets (or paid attention)

They miss out. And to boot have no right to say "MJ wouldn't do this..."

The "fan" types that idolize MJ and put him on a pedastool as God and most mainstream consumers just can't see it. They are typically the ones who say "MJ would never do this" They love the KOP never got to understand the real MJ or respect the other things he stands for, innovation, spirituality, games, ground breaking entertainment and pioneering change (dance / music / movies / ARG / Concepts / platforms, etc)

In fact the hoax is the most creative expression of art in history. I feel privileged to be here.


Perfectly said, Aussie! Couldn't agree more! Adding to that: not all of us here are MJ-fans! So I guess it's time for most of MJ's fans to take their "pink" glasses off and to have a look at the real world of this "artist" and how he really is and forget his "pants and gloves" for some time.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: Search4Truth on December 29, 2012, 07:42:35 AM
@wishingstar

Well Said!
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: wishingstar on December 29, 2012, 07:51:23 AM
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@wishingstar

Well Said!

Thanks  :bearhug:
Blessings to you always!
LOVE
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: MJonmind on December 30, 2012, 03:42:15 AM
Great post Aussie!
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: marumjj on December 30, 2012, 04:54:58 AM
Great thoughts! I see, many believe that MJ was not in danger "real". OK how does the FBI in this hoax? I can not believe that MJ has decided to fake his death for nothing.
"Michael Would not Do This To His Fans"? Why think that we are so important in your life?
I do not think anyone walks through life doing what others intend or expect you to do. This makes MJ selfish? NO!
only a man who had to make a desicion in your life, I recognize that this has broken many hearts in the world, mine too, but before that pain could "doubt" and get to know who is MJ, and I realized that MJ, never promised me anything.  :)
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: blankie on December 30, 2012, 08:21:23 AM
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I don't believe in the his life was in danger theory it doesn't coincide with anything and notice he has been saying that for years now ,that people were out to get him but he used this as the plot to do this ,many people had stated how Murray is the fall guy that he didn't really do it and its a Conspiracy. It's an excuse to move on with the big picture , you get wrapped up in his passing,memorial,funeral,revelations, the homicide trial that you don't pay attention to the obvious .Believers or well realists are here for the truth they see through the lines while everyone else (fans) are just mourning. Mj has prepared us for this if you really payed attention.he didn't say short films for a petty purpose. They are actually films that you have to dissect and take notice to what he is trying to convey ,that's why some short films go along with the hoax it's not a coincidence. He is basically testing us to see if we pay attention and is making sure we are getting the message.The entire experience since the beginning (whenever he planned this hoax)has been like a rehearsal but now it's Showtime! Some fans wallow in self doubt and don't think logically, I've seen a majority of them ignore the rational truth and speculate, get worked up over lies. It's quite upsetting. So yeah some people just chose to ignore it and use the same excuse "he wouldn't do that"!  NewsFlash you don't know him and you have no idea what is capable of doing . How do they have the gull of saying that?!Pretty hypocritical if you ask me , judging much. That's why I refuse to express my opinion when it comes to new "information"or the estate and his family because its planted. I'm stating this from experience I almost fell for it 2 years ago than I started researching and it made sense. You can't blame MJ for believing in everything, even when he admonished you to avoid it, that's a decision they made.

That's an excellent post, Sunnie. Bravo.

+ 1     :th_bravo:
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: scorpionchik on December 30, 2012, 01:51:57 PM
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I don't believe in the his life was in danger theory it doesn't coincide with anything and notice he has been saying that for years now ,that people were out to get him but he used this as the plot to do this ,many people had stated how Murray is the fall guy that he didn't really do it and its a Conspiracy. It's an excuse to move on with the big picture , you get wrapped up in his passing,memorial,funeral,revelations, the homicide trial that you don't pay attention to the obvious .Believers or well realists are here for the truth they see through the lines while everyone else (fans) are just mourning. Mj has prepared us for this if you really payed attention.he didn't say short films for a petty purpose. They are actually films that you have to dissect and take notice to what he is trying to convey ,that's why some short films go along with the hoax it's not a coincidence. He is basically testing us to see if we pay attention and is making sure we are getting the message.The entire experience since the beginning (whenever he planned this hoax)has been like a rehearsal but now it's Showtime! Some fans wallow in self doubt and don't think logically, I've seen a majority of them ignore the rational truth and speculate, get worked up over lies. It's quite upsetting. So yeah some people just chose to ignore it and use the same excuse "he wouldn't do that"!  NewsFlash you don't know him and you have no idea what is capable of doing . How do they have the gull of saying that?!Pretty hypocritical if you ask me , judging much. That's why I refuse to express my opinion when it comes to new "information"or the estate and his family because its planted. I'm stating this from experience I almost fell for it 2 years ago than I started researching and it made sense. You can't blame MJ for believing in everything, even when he admonished you to avoid it, that's a decision they made.

Really! And what makes you be so sure that Michael "used" being in danger for hoax purpose and how dare you to speculate whether Michael was lying or not?
You think that Michael would make himself joke by repeating for years his life was in danger, then hoax, then come back and say " hey guys I was jus playin, my life never was in danger I used that to hoax my death for a while, fix my finances, make people sue each other in the mean time, get rest, watch how you were mourning me, and tadah..now I am back". And this scenario coincides with Michael?
This would damage his reputation forever. Completely disagree IMHO.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: bec on December 30, 2012, 02:29:10 PM
MJ's reputation has already been damaged forever. He never shook the allegations of 93 and 05, even with the not guilty on all counts verdict.

Yes, I do believe he would act a role for years to embed a back-story for added realism later. Yes, I believe he is that methodical. It's a work of art, a stage play in live time, a public demonstration, a reality murder mystery who-done-it story.

It's all in the delivery and I have faith in MJ's ability to work the crowd to deliver the desired impression. He is the King of Entertainment after all. Just because you or I cannot envision a scenario in which this truth will be positively digested by the public means little. MJ is the King for a reason, not by mere accident or chance. I have no doubt he has everything under control.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: scorpionchik on December 30, 2012, 05:40:06 PM
Well, then here is the biggest question of all: What is the MOTIVE of hoax if not life danger? Entertainment?
And what is he going to prove by that? He is already known as best entertainer.He certainly is not in competition with David Copperfield.
Why then theory of sting operation, sting court was brought up and discussed, why FBI maybe involved was considered? (although I did not support any of those theories). Are they all involved in Michael's entertaining hoax program?
 MJ was pedo, wacko but not an idiot. Your theory will add that he on top of all is also a retard. I am sure he would not be happy to read those articles when/IF he comes back with silly version of hoax annoucement.
Any how,this never has been and will never ever be my theory of hoax.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: hesouttamylife on December 30, 2012, 06:54:15 PM
Though possibly in the one percentile, I still hold to my beliefs that this hoax is about more than a strategic plan. 
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: bec on December 31, 2012, 12:56:04 AM
I do not support the FBI sting theory.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: Thriller4ever on December 31, 2012, 01:57:09 AM
Without FBI, i don't think the hoax is possible to 'this' extent. If this hoax is just for entertainment...and not a sting on anyone...MJ reputation would be damaged (times million). A sting on media and public has to be the basic reason for this hoax...
This hoax was to let people know not to gullibly believe everything that has been told to them through media. This hoax is a means to wake people up.
sting+entertainment is fine, but only entertainment...i don't think it's gonna help.

If MJ planted the "my life is in danger" theory just for hoax purposes, then it too must have been for a greater purpose than just for entertainment. Personally I do not believe that "my life in danger" is false...in my opinion, it was really the case. i think entertainment is only one of the reasons of this hoax...

Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: bugsy on December 31, 2012, 02:37:25 AM
My constant thought and question is.... Are the FBI trusted?Should they be trusted? There is lot's of talk of the Illuminati and so fourth, FBI is apart of the government so if... let's say Michael was in danger and it had something to do with the Illuminati, what safety would there be with the FBI? Again I ask because there is so many different ideas on the Illuminati involvements where ever you go on the internet. Again I'm unclear on what's the general consensus on this forums thoughts on it?
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: Loveunited on December 31, 2012, 07:30:57 AM
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Though possibly in the one percentile, I still hold to my beliefs that this hoax is about more than a strategic plan.


Totally agree Hesoutta
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: RK on December 31, 2012, 08:43:14 AM
@Leilani, it doesn't have to be the whole FBI organization. There could be a few 'good' men or women from that agency who are helping Him.

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Though possibly in the one percentile, I still hold to my beliefs that this hoax is about more than a strategic plan.


Totally agree Hesoutta

Me too.    I don't think Congressman Watson is part of an entertainment hoax or stunt...but she may well be part of the hoax for important reasons.
From your thread on the FBI @Loveunited.


"I want you to know that the Los Angeles community, the state of California, and the nation, we're all concerned about Michael Jackson's death.
And uh, I'm  in contact with the family, and the people who handle his career involvement, and I assured them that come out into the open becaanything untoward about Michael will use, the Federal Bureau of Investigation is involved in this lengthly investigation. So just know, you might be sitting there and saying why is it taking so long, that they are studying every intricate detail of his life, and his death, and what happened afterwards.  So just know, that within a short while, justice will out, and justice will be done.  Have faith."
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: Billie J on December 31, 2012, 09:35:11 AM
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Well, then here is the biggest question of all: What is the MOTIVE of hoax if not life danger? Entertainment?
And what is he going to prove by that? He is already known as best entertainer.He certainly is not in competition with David Copperfield.
Why then theory of sting operation, sting court was brought up and discussed, why FBI maybe involved was considered? (although I did not support any of those theories). Are they all involved in Michael's entertaining hoax program?
 MJ was pedo, wacko but not an idiot. Your theory will add that he on top of all is also a retard. I am sure he would not be happy to read those articles when/IF he comes back with silly version of hoax annoucement.
Any how,this never has been and will never ever be my theory of hoax.

Am I the Only One to See Something VERY wrong with this @Scorpionchick Post  :Pulling_hair: :screaming-7365:
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: Andrea on December 31, 2012, 09:57:05 AM
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Well, then here is the biggest question of all: What is the MOTIVE of hoax if not life danger? Entertainment?
And what is he going to prove by that? He is already known as best entertainer.He certainly is not in competition with David Copperfield.
Why then theory of sting operation, sting court was brought up and discussed, why FBI maybe involved was considered? (although I did not support any of those theories). Are they all involved in Michael's entertaining hoax program?
 MJ was pedo, wacko but not an idiot. Your theory will add that he on top of all is also a retard. I am sure he would not be happy to read those articles when/IF he comes back with silly version of hoax annoucement.
Any how,this never has been and will never ever be my theory of hoax.

Am I the Only One to See Something VERY wrong with this @Scorpionchick Post  :Pulling_hair: :screaming-7365:


I read scorpionchik's post a few times and I'm not quite sure I understand what she's trying to say.   :icon_question:   Perhaps she'll elaborate.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: bugsy on December 31, 2012, 10:08:31 AM
Maybe shes trying to say people already says those things about him and it being just for entertainment people would just add yet another name....? Maybe..thats what i assumed when i read it
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: MaryK on December 31, 2012, 10:13:12 AM
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Well, then here is the biggest question of all: What is the MOTIVE of hoax if not life danger? Entertainment?
And what is he going to prove by that? He is already known as best entertainer.He certainly is not in competition with David Copperfield.
Why then theory of sting operation, sting court was brought up and discussed, why FBI maybe involved was considered? (although I did not support any of those theories). Are they all involved in Michael's entertaining hoax program?
 MJ was pedo, wacko but not an idiot. Your theory will add that he on top of all is also a retard. I am sure he would not be happy to read those articles when/IF he comes back with silly version of hoax annoucement.
Any how,this never has been and will never ever be my theory of hoax.

Am I the Only One to See Something VERY wrong with this @Scorpionchick Post  :Pulling_hair: :screaming-7365:


I read scorpionchik's post a few times and I'm not quite sure I understand what she's trying to say.   :icon_question:   Perhaps she'll elaborate.

I think what she is trying to say is: if MJ hoaxed his death for any reason other than his life being in danger (especially if it was for entertainment only), he will be nothing but a joke in the eyes of the public when he comes back.

I understand, Billie J, that you might have meant this part of the post:

Quote
MJ was pedo, wacko but not an idiot. Your theory will add that he on top of all is also a retard

I think what she is trying to say here is: "MJ was pedo, wacko but not an idiot" ----> in public opinion.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: RK on December 31, 2012, 10:15:32 AM
@Billie J.....I didn't take Scorpionchic's post as saying that was her opinion of Michael....I took it to mean  that  it is the perception of the general public who will add retard to their list.... if he didn't hoax his death because his life was in danger. That is the way I read the post.
 
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: Andrea on December 31, 2012, 10:18:54 AM



Yes, that was how I sort of understood it too but I can see the confusion her post caused.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: Billie J on December 31, 2012, 10:24:06 AM
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Well, then here is the biggest question of all: What is the MOTIVE of hoax if not life danger? Entertainment?
And what is he going to prove by that? He is already known as best entertainer.He certainly is not in competition with David Copperfield.
Why then theory of sting operation, sting court was brought up and discussed, why FBI maybe involved was considered? (although I did not support any of those theories). Are they all involved in Michael's entertaining hoax program?
 MJ was pedo, wacko but not an idiot. Your theory will add that he on top of all is also a retard. I am sure he would not be happy to read those articles when/IF he comes back with silly version of hoax annoucement.
Any how,this never has been and will never ever be my theory of hoax.

Am I the Only One to See Something VERY wrong with this @Scorpionchick Post  :Pulling_hair: :screaming-7365:


I read scorpionchik's post a few times and I'm not quite sure I understand what she's trying to say.   :icon_question:   Perhaps she'll elaborate.

I think what she is trying to say is: if MJ hoaxed his death for any reason other than his life being in danger (especially if it was for entertainment only), he will be nothing but a joke in the eyes of the public when he comes back.

I understand, Billie J, that you might have meant this part of the post:

Quote
MJ was pedo, wacko but not an idiot. Your theory will add that he on top of all is also a retard

I think what she is trying to say here is: "MJ was pedo, wacko but not an idiot" ----> in public opinion.

Yes it was the quote "MJ was Pedo,wacko but not an Idiot" I was hurt by. Hope you're right @RK. I can't stand anybody writing offensive comments about MJ,that's all
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: scorpionchik on December 31, 2012, 03:31:07 PM
CLARIFYING MY POST FOLKS.
I AM SAYIN THAT MICHAEL HOAXED HIS DEATH FOR SERIOUS REASON BEHIND IT, SUCH AS LIFE DANGER, NOT FOR MAGIC ENTERTAINMENT, SILLY GAME PURPOSE AS BEC THINKS. OTHERWISE, MICHAEL WILL BE TAKEN AS AN IDIOT AND RETARD BY PUBLIC (IN ADDITION TO STILL BEING PEDO AND WACKO FOR SOME MORONS).
IT IS WRONG TO THINK THAT MJ WAS LYING ABOUT HIS LIFE BEING IN DANGER.

TO UNDERSTAND MY POST, YOU NEED TO START READING  FROM THE VERY FIRST POST REPLYING TO ANOTHER MEMB.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: scorpionchik on December 31, 2012, 03:32:58 PM
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Well, then here is the biggest question of all: What is the MOTIVE of hoax if not life danger? Entertainment?
And what is he going to prove by that? He is already known as best entertainer.He certainly is not in competition with David Copperfield.
Why then theory of sting operation, sting court was brought up and discussed, why FBI maybe involved was considered? (although I did not support any of those theories). Are they all involved in Michael's entertaining hoax program?
 MJ was pedo, wacko but not an idiot. Your theory will add that he on top of all is also a retard. I am sure he would not be happy to read those articles when/IF he comes back with silly version of hoax annoucement.
Any how,this never has been and will never ever be my theory of hoax.

Am I the Only One to See Something VERY wrong with this @Scorpionchick Post  :Pulling_hair: :screaming-7365:


I read scorpionchik's post a few times and I'm not quite sure I understand what she's trying to say.   :icon_question:   Perhaps she'll elaborate.

I think what she is trying to say is: if MJ hoaxed his death for any reason other than his life being in danger (especially if it was for entertainment only), he will be nothing but a joke in the eyes of the public when he comes back.

I understand, Billie J, that you might have meant this part of the post:

Quote
MJ was pedo, wacko but not an idiot. Your theory will add that he on top of all is also a retard

I think what she is trying to say here is: "MJ was pedo, wacko but not an idiot" ----> in public opinion.

CORRECT
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: scorpionchik on December 31, 2012, 03:36:10 PM
@RK,ANDREA

CORRECT.

I AM SURPRISED THAT SOME PEOPLE COULD THINK I CALL MJ PEDO AND RETARD........... :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: bec on December 31, 2012, 04:06:43 PM
Well that IS what you wrote, scorpionchick. So maybe you should be more careful with your English if you're going to get all hot n bothered when YOU write it wrong. We can't read your mind.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: Rayanna_Rain on December 31, 2012, 04:11:54 PM
Everyone just chill out :) We're all here for the same reason. :) well at least I think we all are hahaha
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: bec on December 31, 2012, 04:49:50 PM
Not all for the same reason. Some of are here to moderate and it has nothing to do with "chill"ing, got that, Rayanna_Rain?
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: scorpionchik on December 31, 2012, 05:04:54 PM
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Well that IS what you wrote, scorpionchick. So maybe you should be more careful with your English if you're going to get all hot n bothered when YOU write it wrong. We can't read your mind.

Majority understood my post/mind correctly, which means it IS writtten in plain English.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: Rayanna_Rain on December 31, 2012, 06:07:13 PM
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Not all for the same reason. Some of are here to moderate and it has nothing to do with "chill"ing, got that, Rayanna_Rain?

I was just saying that we shouldn't be arguing over something so little like this.
I'm a nice person and I'm nice to everyone and anyone and I never get mad. So if you took my words for more than what they actually are; I apologize.
That does not give you the right to be so RUDE to me for whatever reason.
I'm not here to fight, so if that is your intentions then I'd advise you to just not talk to me.
We all are (I'm assuming) old enough to know that bickering over whatever is very immature and uncalled for.
We all should know manners by now and can handle these situations respectfully and gracefully.
Now, I forgive you with all my heart and I wish you a wonderful New Year.  :bearhug:
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: bec on December 31, 2012, 07:37:39 PM
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Well that IS what you wrote, scorpionchick. So maybe you should be more careful with your English if you're going to get all hot n bothered when YOU write it wrong. We can't read your mind.

Majority understood my post/mind correctly, which means it IS writtten in plain English.

I understood you because I know you but others had a problem with the content. Not everyone knows you and can vouch for your character like I can/will. Did you read the confused posts? You didn't need to come in guns a blazin with all caps and rag on people misunderstanding you when they didn't misunderstand at all. They understood you just fine, you MISSPOKE so it's up to you to clear it up, not up to them to get inside your head and try to decide what you MEANT as opposed to said. You follow?
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: bec on December 31, 2012, 07:39:24 PM
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Not all for the same reason. Some of are here to moderate and it has nothing to do with "chill"ing, got that, Rayanna_Rain?

I was just saying that we shouldn't be arguing over something so little like this.
I'm a nice person and I'm nice to everyone and anyone and I never get mad. So if you took my words for more than what they actually are; I apologize.
That does not give you the right to be so RUDE to me for whatever reason.
I'm not here to fight, so if that is your intentions then I'd advise you to just not talk to me.
We all are (I'm assuming) old enough to know that bickering over whatever is very immature and uncalled for.
We all should know manners by now and can handle these situations respectfully and gracefully.
Now, I forgive you with all my heart and I wish you a wonderful New Year.  :bearhug:

You haven't seen rude yet. Or disrespectful or ungraceful for that matter and unless you'd like to I suggest you pipe down Rayanna_Rain.
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: scorpionchik on December 31, 2012, 07:50:40 PM
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Well that IS what you wrote, scorpionchick. So maybe you should be more careful with your English if you're going to get all hot n bothered when YOU write it wrong. We can't read your mind.

Majority understood my post/mind correctly, which means it IS writtten in plain English.

I understood you because I know you but others had a problem with the content. Not everyone knows you and can vouch for your character like I can/will. Did you read the confused posts? You didn't need to come in guns a blazin with all caps and rag on people misunderstanding you when they didn't misunderstand at all. They understood you just fine, you MISSPOKE so it's up to you to clear it up, not up to them to get inside your head and try to decide what you MEANT as opposed to said. You follow?

Jeeze, are you an advocate for confused people or something?
They confused, I explained, everything is clear. Back off and shut up already!  :WTF: I am done w/this thread!
Title: Re: "Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?
Post by: bec on January 01, 2013, 04:02:50 PM
Ps. Both these members were given a forum vacation for their inability to heed a warning. This thread has likely ran it's course anyway and can be reserved to the archives.
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