Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Theories => Other Theories => Topic started by: wishingstar on October 02, 2012, 12:56:26 PM
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I recently joined the hoaxbook group for Reasons and Theories. I have long suspected a connection to
This Is It being some sort of ARG (alternate reality game). I don't think the entire thing can fall under
that title. However, I feel parts of it mirror the core basics strong enough. I felt it would be worthwhile
to have a full/dedicated place for discussion on the subject. Perhaps together we can realize some of the
more intricate things that must have taken place in order for This Is It to some to fruition. The link to
the discussion board on hoaxbook is this:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxbook/groups/topic/view/group_id/22/topic_id/62/post_id/872
I will post most of my findings there, to keep it streamlined. If I see more folks are interested here, I will begin
to post here as well (let me know what you would prefer).
I know I prefer the forum style over book....just because I am still unsure of all that book
can do. I do not facebook and don't know the navigations too well. But, the group was up and going, so I wanted
add to the discussions there. I do have a couple of interesting things to discuss....I hope you will help me with this : )
If it turns out this is the correct spot to discuss and dig around the subject....great.
Thanks guys.....you're the best!
LOVE
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I prefer here i think it is better, I believe that there are people in the hoaxbook that never takes part in the forum of research are more dedicated to videos and music. :icon_geek:
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Great idea for a thread Wishy! :icon_e_wink:
I think some of the best hoax videos , describing the ARG and how it works within Michael's hoax, were made by my fav YT channel MagicalXcapism, back in March of this year (especially the second video!)
This part is more focused on describing the hoax as a thrilling, mysterious illusion, a reality movie of some sort...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR3mQF8BmSM&feature=channel&list=UL[/youtube]
While this part is centered on the ARG theme! and also the "One more chance" video :icon_e_wink:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjWVrls6UGw&list=PL789831C2FF5293C5&index=1&feature=plcp[/youtube]
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You know, right after I hit post I had this pit in my stomach that I should have just posted it all here...and maybe just update the discussion area of book. So I think that's what I will do.......sort of a flip then. You guys are right....brilliant, thank you for the help. Sometimes it just takes one or two voices of reason to make me think clearer : ) LOL as clear as mud with this hoax!!!!
Thanks guys......
I will post those thoughts and findings in a bit. I am digging around one other area and will craft it into one post.........
Blessings!!!!
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I also think it´s a great idea.
I too prefer the forum for this kind of investigation/brainstorming.
Looking forward to reading your posts/thoughts :)
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I've read some really interesting articles on ARGs - fitting parts of this hoax like a (sequined) glove! I'll try and dig them out if it's decided to continue the discussion here on the forum, rather than on Hoaxbook.
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[...]There are many good sites that explain exactly what they are, how detailed they get and what they are for. A good start for me was the basic Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game
It seems that MagicalXscapism pretty much used the same wiki info for her second video, though she/he made the video more complex and added the visuals to it!
The following paragraph made me think...and reflect back on my own hoax experience these years... especially the blue parts...
Puppetmaster – A puppetmaster or "PM" is an individual involved in designing and/or running an ARG. Puppetmasters are simultaneously allies and adversaries to the player base, creating obstacles and providing resources for overcoming them in the course of telling the game's story. Puppetmasters generally remain behind the curtain while a game is running.[3] The real identity of puppet masters may or may not be known ahead of time.
Thinking back... I now realize that I've always felt this duality (allies vs. adversaries) with regards to myself and my activity in Hoaxland. And when I say Hoaxland I mean more than just this forum. And I am also sure that I am not the only one who got this feeling along the way! :icon_e_wink: Something tells me that pretty much every involved hoaxer has felt that at least once!
I was always intrigued, frustrated (even scared at times!) by how well and easily I could interact with certain people and at the same time how difficult, almost impossible was to communicate with others!! You always wonder why?? because you do /act/say/write the same things , yet you obtain so blatantly contradictory reactions!!
Sometimes I would wonder why certain people were so nice to me, to the point of even suspecting them of not being sincere!!
Other times I would wonder why certain persons seem to hate me that much to the point of starting questioning myself and even blaming myself for some non existent reason!! Because most often the next day(s) I would get the exact opposite (positive) reactions for the same stuff I had posted, from other people!
It's really like a carousel of emotions going up and down , unexpected turnings and swifts... which most often left me with a confused state of mind , the most proper phrase to describe it all being :WTF: :WTF: :WTF:
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I stumbled upon something and need help with it......does anyone know if TJ Jackson went to Carnegie Mellon University? The reason I ask is I found that name associated with an early ARG called Troy. I had been reading about early ARGs and what they were like etc. I saw this name and almost fainted..."....surely it's a different TJ Jackson" I thought. I can't tell....because it all seems to fit.
So I have some links here for you guys to check out and see exactly what I am talking about.
This link was the first one I saw the name on. I was just reading casually about ARGs....read about "walkthroughs" and the name appears:
http://www.argology.org/how-to-play-args/
This link is to a random info page about Troy, the game....again TJ Jackson.
http://users.soe.ucsc.edu/~amsmith/troy/source_0.html
Then this link seems to go into great detail about the game itself...it's a google doc:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:8WUJmF0QPOsJ:www.etc.cmu.edu/projects/experimentalgameplay/games/08%2520-%2520Violate/Troy.doc+Troy+arg+TJ+jackson&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgn98j0chkNQJbCjJdIrkGMYVlPg1wbOSIbAOnKR6y5upRG1zt6DuOrB1fv9fQJ7lOo2SwxTZF12W7N5QL6V1f8iR9OnyV7aSyf_pE5II6dfDpay3GpUFewMMA36dV3oGQiUrJX&sig=AHIEtbTKv_7kMKD7NTH0E4aFSUsefoRlYQ
This link provides a little more wording and phrases associated with ARGs:
http://www.unfiction.com/glossary/#arg
I have been really wanting some input for this. I asked a couple of close friends and they both urged me to post the info and see what we come up with. Again it's a fascinating subject to read about.....I really appreciate you guys!!!!!
Hugs & LOVE
Blessings
@Sim....thanks for posting those videos...they are some of my favorites as well :)
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Oh my...that sounded so good Wishy.
But I am afraid that this is not "our" TJ.
Take a look here:
http://www.etc.cmu.edu/projects/experimentalgameplay/people.php (http://www.etc.cmu.edu/projects/experimentalgameplay/people.php)
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@Mary....right, wrong TJ Jackson..thanks for helping clear that one up : )
I have been digging still....
I came across this picture:
(http://insertcredit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/MCMJ.jpg)
It's of Michael at Sega of Japan in 1988....the guy's name in the tan sweater is Mark Cerny. This picture is a great example of Michael's interest in video games. However, even more importantly, it establishes a link between Michael one of the gaming world's best known developers. Mark Cerny's Wiki reads like a manual for game development of all kinds. He could most certainly of helped craft an ARG of huge proportion. Here is his Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Cerny
and this article:
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/a-different-path-mark-cerny-to-be-inducted-into-hall-of-fame-of-the-academy-of-interactive-arts--sciences-81315187.html
Among the games he developed, was Marble Madness. The Wiki for that game is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marble_Madness
Notice the collaboration effort between Cerny, Flanagan and Michael...for a video game based on Thriller.
"Cerny and Flanagan first collaborated on a video game based on Michael Jackson's Thriller. The project, however, was canceled and the two began work an idea of Cerny's that eventually became Marble Madness."
Cerny was Vice President of Vivendi Universal Games (see his WIki...also works with Sony) ......Vivendi also known as Universal Interactive Studios:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivendi_Games
In 2008.....Vivendi merged with Activision....Vivendi also has ownership of Universal Music group:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivendi
Mark Cerny also had his hand in Naughty Dog, Inc:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naughty_Dog
Which has all sorts of interesting links...including again, to Sony.
Soooooo.......all of this post is to show that there were and mostly likely still are roads that lead from Michael and people he knows, to the gaming development community. Even though I have listed much software, it's all gaming in one form or another. The development of new games and exciting ways to present them is what it's all about. This Mark Cerny is an interesting person. He definitely has the means and ways to understand the factors of an ARG.....
OK....done on the ramble, lol. I read the name, "Culver City" somewhere in all of this....for the life of me, now I can't find it!!!
Ugh.....hate it when that happens!
Have a blessed day/evening!
LOVE
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Of course this is a game. We have known that this is an ARG yet been in collective denial about it since late 2009. Thanks to TS and his NiN ARG redirect and subsequent concessions/confessions that was made pretty clear.
See my signature.
That's why there's No Body, I guess, really. At the end of the day there's no dead body because this is a game, it's not a sting on any bad guys. It's not going to over throw the Illuminati, it's a game and it's a way to get a message out to the public and (hopefully!!) a way to clear his name once and for all.
I only hope that the part about Jordy talking (books on tape!) isn't fiction. The rest, all for fun, totally.
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Thank you Wishy for all of this information. In the beginning I was very much against the idea of this being an ARG but now I've swung to the opposite spectrum because of everything we've learned. Based on my own beliefs I've concluded:
1) It's most definitely not about money as Michael wasn't broke at the time of d-day.
2) It's not about his health as Michael is not addicted to anything except maybe carrot juice.
2) It's not about running away or hiding because Michael's character is the total opposite. If he wanted to hide he could have after 2005.
3) Michael is a showman and loves to entertain. He's captivated with capturing the mind of the audience. Check.
4) Michael has laid the groundwork for years. Back and SOTT is a testament to that. Check.
5) I don't think Michael is out to destroy anyone but he is out to restore his image and legacy. Check.
There is more but my mind has gone blank. I'll come back to this.
Blessings
EDIT: Bec posted while I was still typing but it looks like I think the same as Bec. For the record, I, too, soooo hope the books on tape are real and that Jordan comes clean about the lies.
Something else about Michael's involvement with video gaming, he contributed to the making of Sonic even though he has no credit on there. And isn't there also a website in development with some title like Michael Universe or am I imagining it? It was a gaming site. And we can't forget about the games for WII, etc.
Yes, here it is:
http://www.planetmichael.com/
http://www.seeglobalentertainment.com/
Here are the partners for Planet Michael:
Les Éditions Albert René
Paramount
Sony Pictures
Triumph International
Universal
What is interesting is that it was supposed to be done late last year but unless I'm missing something it doesn't look complete.
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Planet Michael. I always thought that game title was a subtle little reference to us and the forum, back when the forum was mjhd.com.
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Yep yep and WOW....@voice, I was just looking at this article (need to translate...but you will understand my WOW)
http://www.elcuartodeatras.com.mx/?p=409
(http://www.elcuartodeatras.com.mx/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/sonic_jackson-e1302719709501.jpg)
And yes again...Planet Michael, the Michael Universe, WII Experience Michael Jackson.........
I too believe it's all been in front of us for years.....but it took a fictional death for us to open our eyes.
Thanks guys....I really really appreciate your thoughts on all this.....it's just so amazing to try and wrap my head around
the magnitude of planning and execution. I can't help but think we will now hear or see something from someone about
how this can't be a game etc......this is not a game. Maybe the family, the media, Sony...who knows....my guess is that
only the shadow knows, lol. That shadow had better be dusting off his moonwalk! I am sure we are still in the think of
things.......makes me sort of *cough cough* nervous :icon_lol: :icon_eek:
Jeeze, when I think of some of the topics we have discussed......yes, Michael are you entertained, I dearly hope so!
I suppose you have saved the best for last........I don't know about the others, but I am buckled up tight.....
it's going to be a bumpy night!
Blessings & LOVE Always
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Oh he's done nothing but encourage us to make that leap. He can go ahead and send his minions to tell us directly that it's not a game and it still won't work.
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Well, that certainly explains things to me. Lots of the little messages, clues etc fit in completely with this theory. . We all thought we might be in a game but it was hard to pin down. This puts it into perspective for me. Going to go and have a long think in a dark room about this............
'This Is Not A Game (TINAG) - Setting the ARG form apart from other games is the This Is Not A Game aesthetic, which dictates that the game not behave like a game: phone numbers mentioned in the ARG, for example, should actually work, and the game should not provide an overtly-designated playspace or ruleset to the players.'
Now that reminds me of that fake website for Dr Murray's lawyers. The phone numbers worked and in some cases people answered them but fake fake fake..............
i found more about ARG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game
Viral marketing/internet hoaxes. While ARGs are often used as a type of viral marketing, they diverge sharply from the philosophy behind "sponsored consumers" or other viral marketing practices that attempt to trick consumers into believing that planted shills for a product are other independent consumers. Similarly, they also diverge from sites or narratives that genuinely try to convince visitors that they are what they claim to be. Puppetmasters generally leave both subtle and overt clues to the game's fictional nature and boundaries where players can find them (e.g. through clearly fictional names on site registrations) and many ARGs openly flaunt obviously fictional plots.
Basic design principles of ARGs
•Designing for a hive mind. While it might be possible to follow the game individually, the design was directed at a collective of players that shared information and solutions almost instantly, and incorporated individuals possessing almost every conceivable area of expertise. While the game might initially attract a small group of participants, as they came across new challenges, they would reach out and draw in others with the knowledge they needed to overcome the obstacles.
•Collaborative storytelling. While the puppetmasters controlled most of the story, they incorporated player content and responded to players' actions, analysis and speculation by adapting the narrative and intentionally left "white space" for the players to fill in.
This is the accurate description of what we are dealing with
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The phone number Paris put on Twitter for her security worked too. I talked to someone who did say he was security [for] Paris Jackson.
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wiki article also states ARGs " tend to be free to play, with costs absorbed either through supporting products ......... or through promotional relationships with existing products .........."
Fits nicely with your recent comments Bec on how all this has been free!
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I think this thing isn't been startred for some hoax believers but for the whole world:
-to see what music bussines is about - the stress, the pain, the pressure, of course the joy, but also the artists not beeing able to live their own life....
-maybe to show how to change some things by careing for each other and spread some love in this terrible money related world...
-If this whole case is an ARG, TINI might play a huge part in the hoax to make the pain public.... They reach so many people over youtoube, The Tribute Portrait, Facebook, Twitter,
There was someone called 'Puppet Master' posting clues and comments on the TMZ forum under the Michael Jackson topics. Apparently, he had been around since way back in July 2009. Some of the clues were quite strange. This would support the theory of the game.
Figuring out the clues is part of the game, interesting & fun....There are some aspects to this hoax that I think were put in place on purpose. Hoax sites, JonnellStarTV, Youtube clues, JCC clues, & much more. Alot of the clues we find seem to be so convienent.
What do you guys think....
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Now I'm totally confused!!! I thought TS said in one of his quotes that the hoax is not for entertaining reasons and that we should take it seriously. Could someone please post the quote? > confused, so confused, very confused.....
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Figuring out the clues is part of the game, interesting & fun....There are some aspects to this hoax that I think were put in place on purpose. Hoax sites, JonnellStarTV, Youtube clues, JCC clues, & much more. Alot of the clues we find seem to be so convienent.
What do you guys think....
agree with you flory! all those social media networks sites with hoax death purpose were probably made for keeping attention and making us digg deeper, think outside the box to find the real truth. So finally general public will be able to get to know real Michael-loving father, humanitarian, good businessman, wonderful human being..I so hunger for that day when his name will be cleared!!
P.S.thanks Wishy for this interesting thread! :)
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Yep, this is big, with a lot of highly skilled people involved.
I guess we should thank Coca Cola, Snickers and more for our FREE fun here.
Bec, I still think it's more: That's why it's explosive, planetary and historical and maybe even Biblical. IMO
TS: Finally: is this hoax a prank, or a Thriller II reality movie, or an ARG, or a sting operation, or a Vendetta, or an NWO/EOW warning, or a wake-up call to the gullible public (don't believe everything in the media), etc--which is it? And the answer is: all of the above! It is something that people have never seen before, at least not the combination of these things and on this scale.
Wishingstar this is the guy but he's not our TJ, although no pic. He works for Dreamworks.
http://jayisgames.com/archives/2006/03/troy.php
Flory24 quoted:
Puppetmaster – A puppetmaster or "PM" is an individual involved in designing and/or running an ARG. Puppetmasters are simultaneously allies and adversaries to the player base, creating obstacles and providing resources for overcoming them in the course of telling the game's story. Puppetmasters generally remain behind the curtain while a game is running.[3] The real identity of puppet masters may or may not be known ahead of time.
Well, I immediately thought of TS with his ‘slippery’ ways. You couldn’t always tell if he was telling the truth. I still don't believe MJ left in that airplane on the 25th, but was right in the carrying out of the hoax like a dirty shirt.
"Hive mind", hmm, we do have a queen bee too! :icon_lol:
(http://blog.milford.io/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/bee_hive_spl470_470x3031.jpg)
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I too think it's something more maybe even all the possibilities rolled in to one hoax, to bring his fans into something, I doubt he would cater only for a certain "audience" I would think there was something for everyone in it, Lighter stuff for the younger ones and feint hearted and much more serious educaiton for the more serious ones, Arg, movie, education of the illuminati, one world governments, even spiritual... it definitely is multi-layered and seems to expand across many different subjects. If you think about all the different things that's been involved especially with education. I have learnt so much in the time i've been researching/investigating, about medicines, the law, governments even maths... it has something for everyone of all ages, even the young ones take away the lesson of taking care of our planet, to follow their dreams and to reach high and believe you can reach the furthest star if you put your mind to it. I can't really put into words what I feel this master piece of Michael's is about or what it actually is it makes me speachless just thinking of genius thinking behind it.
I keep thinking back to his announcement of the partnership with Prince Al Waleed Bin Talal and kingdom Entertainment, I bolded the bits that repeat in my mind when ever I read something new
""I would like to welcome all the journalists and press who are covering this historic press conference. For reasons I will soon share with you, Kingdom Entertainment represents a long awaiting dream come true.
My earliest inspiration to be actively involved in all facets of the global multi-media explosion was derived from decades of travelling throughout the world.
During these continous concert tours, I was made privy to the heartbeats of millions of fans who willingly shared with me their hopes, loves, fears and most importantly, their desire for a better life. It was during this time that I first began to appreciate that the proper approach to global family entertainment could go a long way in addressing these concerns.
Until recently, my hectic schedule and outstanding professional commitments left me little chance to develop specific strategies for the development of a total integrated global entertainment complex. All that began to change 18 months ago when I first met my friend and partner in the Kingdom Entertainment, HRH Prince Al Waleed Bin Talal. In short order it was clear we shared the same goals and approches on how to make global entertainment a reality.
Through Kingdom Entertainment the Prince and myself will combine human and financial resources to be successful in all phases of the multi-media revolution. As examples, we intend to be active in theme parks and hotels, feature films, animation, recordings, publishing, tours, children's books, educational entertainment, character licencing and merchandising.
In closing, to all those millions who have encouraged me to get involved with global entertainment based on family values I can proudly say: Because of Kingdom Entertainment and my partner Prince Al Waleed, "You Are Not Alone". "
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@Wish...GREAT idea for a thread! The ARG aspect of the hoax has sprung up many times and it's a really good idea to try to keep 'thoughts' in one place...and also to revive the topic, since it is pretty clear (in most minds) that there IS an ARG going on.
Our attention was drawn early on to this genre of gaming. Under the username S.T.U.D.Y., we were directed to look into Joey Skaggs:
"This Is It … The Final Curtain Call"
The "final curtain call" is a very interesting phrase, which was used during the London press conference for the O2 "This Is It" performances (note: even if it was a double, MJ himself was still the author of the message given).
Here is a transcript of the key statement (at 4 min, 35 sec): "This is it, I mean this is really it; this is the final — this is the final curtain call." {click here}. Let’s look at two aspects of that phrase: the "final curtain", and then the "curtain call".
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The "Final Curtain"
"Final Curtain" is the name of a hoax about death that was started in September of 1998! It was designed by Joey Skaggs, and you can read about it on the Museum of Hoaxes website {click here}; on the Final Curtain website {click here}; and on Skaggs’ own website {click here; also click here}. I have selected a few very interesting statements from these websites, as well as from a few other sources.
"In 1998, Skaggs put together an international team of volunteer writers, artists, and designers to create The Final Curtain … It was immediately accepted by the public as a reality without question. … Skaggs always leaves clues in his [hoax] performances." {click here}
"… the Final Curtain hoax was two years in the making, and involved dozens of co-conspirators. … Numerous talented writers and artists, some of whom prefer to remain anonymous for professional reasons, created an elaborate and convincing nonexistent virtual business under Skaggs’ creative direction." {click here}
"JOEY SKAGGS has been staging hoaxes—to lampoon the media, to lampoon the culture, but never to make money—for 34 years. Some hoaxes are huge and take place over the course of years … THE SIGNS WERE THERE for journalists who doubted Final Curtain. But they didn't. … Part of participating in Final Curtain was agreeing to keep my mouth shut until it was time to reveal the hoax. … Final Curtain wasn't intended to make money; it was intended to draw attention to two issues—the media's wicked ways, as we've seen, and the death industry." {click here}
Wikipedia on Joey Skaggs: "The Final Curtain … It was meant to satirize showmanship in places like Forest Lawn cemeteries." {click here}
Although a different MJ, notice the name of a person who reported about the Final Curtain: "KRLA, CBS, Los Angeles, Michael Jackson, 10-25-1999" {click here; also click here}
"This [Final Curtain] was a really sophisticated prank with a lot of people involved. … Media hoaxing has a bright, promising future [after the year 2,000!?!]. All we can hope is that the hoaxers are smarter than the media." {click here}
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Final Curtain Hoax and MJ Hoax Parallels
#1 The hoaxes were directly related to "1998".
#2 The hoaxes were all about "death".
#3 The hoaxes had a large "team" involving "numerous talented co-conspirators" (all agreeing to secrecy until the time to remove the "curtain").
#4 The hoaxes were "huge", "elaborate", "sophisticated", and "convincing".
#5 Yet the hoax directors "always left clues" and "THE SIGNS WERE THERE" for the few who really wanted to know the truth.
#6 In spite of the clues, the hoaxes were "immediately accepted by the public as a reality without question".
#7 Both hoaxes had a person involved named "MICHAEL JACKSON"!
#8 Both hoaxes refer specifically to "Forest Lawn cemeteries".
#9 The purpose of these hoaxes is to draw public attention to the "media’s wicked ways" (reporting as truth that which they have not carefully investigated, etc).
And these nine "coincidences" are in addition to the "1998" and "7" codes, which point so strikingly to 9-9-09!
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,14529.0.html (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,14529.0.html)
TS then arrived on the scene, and very early on in the redirects we were directed to more ARG references:
The 6th redirect was about Joey Skaggs:
http://joeyskaggs.com/html/final.html (http://joeyskaggs.com/html/final.html)
The 8th redirect was about the Alternate Reality Game (ARG) Year Zero:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Zero_%28game%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Zero_%28game%29)
There were also other redirects that 'hinted' at an ARG...like Art is Resistance, performance art, conceptual art, etc. TS and TS_comments also mentioned ARG's in the updates and posts (I don't have time now to find the posts).
Here's an interesting interview with Joey Skaggs:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z4daqugkHY[/youtube]
Whether or not the entire purpose of the hoax is simply an ARG (a 'game')...or whether instead of THE purpose, the ARG is/was the 'tool' used to achieve the purpose, remains to be seen. Based on everything to date, I tend to think it's the latter...but there's a LOT of 'evidence' that shows 1) 'it' IS a hoax, and 2) we've been a part of some kind of ARG for the past 3+ years.
And 3) it's been the wildest ride of a lifetime!
With L.O.V.E. always.
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Life is one big game of "Clue"....the only difference with this is...its more interactive and more challenging...
....you will definitely stretch some brain cells on this one!....and it's not for the "faint of heart"
......once you start....you can't stop!
The real identity of puppet masters may or may not be known ahead of time.
they can fool you only if you let them fool you...
i always said be careful with clues, signs etc. we might not know who is directing them towards us
Lots of the little messages, clues etc fit in completely with this theory. . We all thought we might be in a game but it was hard to pin down. This puts it into perspective for me.they can keep spreading lies, deceit and confusion. With L.O.V.E, unity, understanding, friendship and faith we will win this battle.
Let the haters go jump in the sea.
We will prove to them that we THINK and know how to use our brains wisely, and we do not take anything for grantedthey will be memories soon, and we will laugh at them and enjoy "the good old days" trust me.
We just need to have faith and stay strong. It's also good to give them a piece of our minds from time to time, to put them in their right places and teach them not to mess with us...it is too accurate description of what we are dealing with, it cannot be something else.
it matches so perfectly.
we are part of the game. whose game? when will the game be over?
will the puppetmaster be ever introduced to us?
>Collaborative storytelling. While the puppetmasters controlled most of the story, they incorporated player content and responded to players' actions, analysis and speculation by adapting the narrative and intentionally left "white space" for the players to fill in.<
That's why we always wondered about popping up the answers of questions we just discussed....
Invisible theater is another form of manipulating people, but it's a more direct form (used by actors in public places for example)
Even if we and lots of other people try hard to change the world, we will just be a minority. It's not just the music and show business, people always seek to make more money, to become richer to have more than maybe their neighbour etc etc... it all starts in much smaller fields than the showbiz. There will always be people who step out of the "team" and cheat.
we cannot save the whole world, but, as I said before, the ocean is made of many, many, many drops. All we have to do is to believe in the power of love and of being positive and to show this to the others through our own example. I'm surprised about how many friends I moved since this "game" begun...and this only because I dared to open my mouth and speak; and because I came with some easy proposals about how to begin to make a change. The simple confidence in my words and actions helped others to do the same and to add a brick to this building which foundation I have started. And we never know where we can reach only by having faith...Don't give up: start with little things, or continue your actions if you already started, without trying to change the world...if we join our hearts we can make a difference, even if it will be on a lower level, we can inspire other people to do the same and this can only be for the best.
And we should not expect to change the media - it's their job to make catchy headlines even if they turn around words - and who buys them? We do!!!
The one thing we don’t know is who is the man behind the curtain? Is he back there pulling ropes and pouring more liquid hydrogen in the fog machine? Is he setting up the mirrors for the next phase? Or is there even a man behind the curtain anymore at all?
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Shikster told us in July or August of 2009 to look at PT Barnum and his book. He directed us to watch a Pepsi commercial from the Dangerous era with a depiction of Tiny Tim in it with MJ. He would say no more but I ran with it and discovered a ton of parallels between Barnum's life n death and MJ's work and "death". I didn't know he meant the whole thing was a circus! Nor did I fully realize he was a puppetmaster in his own right.
I think we have made many accidental connections while researching these side stories because the human brain likes to find connections and make order out of disorder, a fact of our biological nature which muddies the waters and blurs the line between fiction and fact even more. We filled in a whole lot of white space in the course of 3+ years! We had to be given something to do to pass the time, else we might have stopped playing.
Now I'm totally confused!!! I thought TS said in one of his quotes that the hoax is not for entertaining reasons and that we should take it seriously. Could someone please post the quote? > confused, so confused, very confused.....
I didn't believe him but he made me doubt myself when he took such a harsh tone. If you reread him a few times you realize what he is NOT saying, however. Slippery he is, very slippery. However, I think myself and my cohorts like-minded were on the verge of blowing the whole thing off it's tracks with our light hearted frivolous attitudes at the time. We needed to go with the reality that TS was spinning right then, it was too soon for us to see so clearly, we would have spoiled our own fun, so the scolding was necessary. As was the tone.
I do wonder who TS is though, still. He may well be MJ but he doesn't have to BE any one person. "He" may just be an account, like Front is an account. Did MJ ever man the keyboard when logged in under TS username? Probably, sure. Was MJ ALWAYS the one manning the keyboard when logged in under TS username? Not necessarily, especially when TS stated he is NOT MJ. That wasn't him. I don't think he would directly lie, besides, he wouldn't need to. Just grab someone else in the room and have THEM type that denial. Behold! It's not a lie.
TS is for real though, and so is SOME of his information. The line between truth and fiction is very flexible, very vague, not easy to discern. It may be impossible to tell for certain until all is said n done and bamsday is upon us, but in light of this and everything else we have been through in the course of this game play, I am bolstered to believe his deadline is more then prophetic.
Unless it's the ultimate mind fuk... and we will be so cocky and sure of ourselves and our newly comprehended reality that we need to get knocked off our feet and driven back into the emotional rollercoaster with the ultimate let down just prior to the ultimate elation... and 1/1/2013 comes n goes n here we sit, deflated, defeated, depressed, and driven to the brink of our self confidence.
Man, I hope not. That would suck a whole bunch. Not again... please, not again... Happy New Year! Here's a prozac cuz you're gonna need one to face the world this year...
Nah. You gotta believe something. I chose to believe those words of TS, even if I am cherry picking here.
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Most entertaining sitcom ever, having us on screen not couch.
TS changed vibrato and contradicted himself several times.
Male distinct and elaborated writing as if acquired in a writer's educational program.
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About the NIN Year Zero ARG...TS wrote the following as to the purpose behind the redirect:
This redirect was chosen for several reasons. It [Year Zero] is an ARG, and yet not an ARG that is simply a game for entertainment; it is an ARG with a very important message, and one that goes along quite well with the TIAI message—in fact, the TIAI redirects were actually one form of ARG.
And like the “2012” film: the specifics of this Year Zero ARG are imaginary, but the concepts are very real.
I believe this describes 'our' ARG closely.
Man, I hope not. That would suck a whole bunch. Not again... please, not again... Happy New Year! Here's a prozac cuz you're gonna need one to face the world this year...
x7
With L.O.V.E. always.
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Some brilliant posts here - thanks everyone!
All this talk takes me back to my simple gut feelings when I first became open to the idea of MJ faking his death - you know, before those endless journeys into rabbit holes that not only opened eyes but also significantly muddied the waters! He is an entertainer first and foremost, always with a message of love and concern for mankind and the earth, but a performer/artist nonetheless, constantly trying to do bigger and better. A death hoax is SO Michael Jackson! I know that's oversimplifying things somewhat, but you get the gist of those early feelings that I return to now with a sense of them not being too far off the mark!
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Agree with you about TS bec. The levels were never finished (as TS promised he would) because a few of us got ahead of ourselves. TS was supposed to debunk (in theory) the various theories of what happened on June 25th, starting with Live-MJ-was-there but his arguments weren't strong enough and we called him on it. That was the only time I can recall TS having a real sort of tone in his posts. My belief about that is that we were too close to the truth and why TS wanted to debunk that one right away. I could be wrong of course but why did he just stop after that?
TS is definitely part of the ARG, he was basically our main player for the first 2 years. The re-directs kept us guessing and speculating. He would be serious but could joke around and have fun with us. What we are seeing from him now with the Signs threw a lot of people off initially back in January but he had been hinting at all the religious aspects since 2009, even mentioning back then that he would go into much more detail about the Ark of the Covenant, which he did this past January. It all seemed to be leading up to these signs and TS had already established his cred by then. He tells many irrefutable truths but is slippery. I wish he was still active on the forum here.
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You guys are awesome...I have said that so many times. Yes, Joey Skaggs, how I remember learning about that....just blew me away!!!!
That whole list of hoaxes.....The Cardiff Giant....now I am actually wondering what exactly was all true. Ever think that maybe "old" news articles
have been put into place for us to "find"? I know it sounds over-paranoid, or over done...but really? I think at least some news articles, current and past were all fictional accounts of things to make us think outside that box. Our brains have indeed been stretched...perhaps that's why we were told Michael's brain was removed in the autopsy....almost a foretelling of what is about to happen to us believers. Or what should happen in order for us to learn all we can about things. Take your brain out and use it!
And btw, BTC....that link you posted about S.T.U.D.Y. this one:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,14529.0.html
Take a good look at the name of the person who posted that Ninanina .... just sayin' :icon_lol:
Sometimes I feel like we are truly on display here....like a percentage of MJ fans knew about this, took an oath of silence and let the show begin. TII said, "For the Fans" ..bec, what's that little pill thing called again, lol......my mind is totally shot, twisted, bent and contorted in ways that I never thought possible! Michael.....I don't know if I'd hug you, or run from you!!!!! :smiley-vault-misc-150:
Blessings....we need them.
PS> just saw curls note...yes, I totally understand! Right now I am drinking coffee from a gas station mug....the same gas station where I was told Michael Jackson died that day back on June 25, 2009. I have it as a reminder of what a journey this has been, and will continue to be. Sort of ironic I learned of his, "death" at a gas station, lol. I am certain that even going forward, after bam or whatever it might be.....Michael will have something up his sleeve for the future.....that's what scares me :affraid: :icon_lol:
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About the NIN Year Zero ARG...TS wrote the following as to the purpose behind the redirect:
This redirect was chosen for several reasons. It [Year Zero] is an ARG, and yet not an ARG that is simply a game for entertainment; it is an ARG with a very important message, and one that goes along quite well with the TIAI message—in fact, the TIAI redirects were actually one form of ARG.
And like the “2012” film: the specifics of this Year Zero ARG are imaginary, but the concepts are very real.
I believe this describes 'our' ARG closely.
Man, I hope not. That would suck a whole bunch. Not again... please, not again... Happy New Year! Here's a prozac cuz you're gonna need one to face the world this year...
x7
With L.O.V.E. always.
Remembering, Year Zero is an ARG that shows us a concept and a story quite interesting: some years in the future a series of bioterrorist in America attacks created panic and chaos among the population and the world as we know it will change with the arrival of the third world war. At the end of this the Church and the State will join to create a Government dictator and totalitarian, where the right to freedom of expression and the right to information will be deleted, and any act of rebellion will be severe (and deadly) punished. "But there are many who are tired of this and through various acts of rebellion (peaceful and not so peaceful) have decided to raise the voice and tell the world that this is wrong and we are going to do something" therefore have created a many of websites where you can express your ideas and opinions about the Government and show the world that there still a hope.
Las paginas Web en realidad existen;
www.OpenSourceResistance.net
www.iamtryingtobelieve.com
www.artisresistance.com
www.freerebelart.net
at some point in the future be discovered the way to send information to the past, our present, and so warn mankind of the risk that runs if you continue his self-destructive career, but something went wrong, and the pages reached our time "corrupt" so to speak so. As they begin to discover the webpages related to the year Zero, the player see not only a form of expression against the Government, if not a story that involves many secrets. The most important of them is perhaps 'The presence' (see photo) a strange manifestation of which do not have an exact notion that or who is, only knows that it is a kind of dark, and giant hand of four fingers, which descends from the overcast skies and "attacking" the people who are to your aroundshow apocalyptic visions and causing a feeling of "massive repentance and psychological pain", going round the edge of viewers even to commit suicide.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_emCpeKonRS4/SjGsRm_DmOI/AAAAAAAAAB0/Wfy0vWp5dV0/s320/content_02.jpg)
It is only a hallucination? A UFO phenomenon "It is the hand of God" suggests a spectator who now resides in a psychiatric hospital. "He is tired of our arrogance and our stupid wars, told me that it is time to clean this planet and start all again..."
This ARG shows us a metaphor of what could happen if do not do something to avoid that Governments make decisions each more mad and senseless and above all that we will let it.
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Some brilliant posts here - thanks everyone!
All this talk takes me back to my simple gut feelings when I first became open to the idea of MJ faking his death - you know, before those endless journeys into rabbit holes that not only opened eyes but also significantly muddied the waters! He is an entertainer first and foremost, always with a message of love and concern for mankind and the earth, but a performer/artist nonetheless, constantly trying to do bigger and better. A death hoax is SO Michael Jackson! I know that's oversimplifying things somewhat, but you get the gist of those early feelings that I return to now with a sense of them not being too far off the mark!
Yup! We were right all along but lacked the self confidence to fully embrace it. What a journey, what a game!
Listen to Behind the Mask again. He's singing to his fans. He's questioning whether they love HIM, as they say, because from where he stands, they love the portrayal they have been fed, right up to the end. By loving that emaciated, drug addicted, washed up old has-been pop star depicted in this death hoax, they seriously insult him!! They also insult themselves that they cannot see the forest for the trees. They know HIM! Come on! They need to stop believing the bullshit!! It's offensive, it really is.
This IS a fan Sting as much as it is a media sting! They are going to get a much deserved slap across the face into reality!
Dead drug addict?? Come ON!!
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@Wish...yes, very interesting username. Maybe coincidence...maybe not lol. I often wonder just how many 'usernames' were used in the production of this and how many are STILL being used. IF this is an ARG, in whole or in part (and all signs point to us being in one)....then that is a real possibility, perhaps even necessary. Even if not necessary, the use of 'fake' usernames adds another layer of truth vs. fiction....while 'moving' the game along or in a certain direction.
@Paula, thanks for the Year Zero info. TS specifically drew our attention to this ARG, I believe, because of the many parallels.
...a spectator who now resides in a psychiatric hospital
I think I may end up with the same fate :icon_lol:
With L.O.V.E. always.
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I am certain that even going forward, after bam or whatever it might be.....Michael will have something up his sleeve for the future...
Double BAM!!!
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Just found a good example:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58KPeTW2YME&lr=1[/youtube]
I noticed the following similarities:
- the idea of 33 keys
- the “unifos” (la croix vert police) are exactly like the guys that delivered the TII single.
- the press being involved (it makes me think of TMZ)
- the key-bloggers being involved
But, you can tell is a game, though. In our case, it's a much more serious situation...we are talking about people's feelings and sanity...
One idea came to my mind today just out of the blue: what if the "Dome Project" that MJ was supposed to work on, is actually "this" project. When I looked back of what have been happening after his death, and more importantly before, I believe that this whole strange circumstances' stuff reality started with O2 Arena concert announcements.... and believe or not... the O2 Arena place was initially built as Millennium Dome....
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One idea came to my mind today just out of the blue: what if the "Dome Project" that MJ was supposed to work on, is actually "this" project. When I looked back of what have been happening after his death, and more importantly before, I believe that this whole strange circumstances' stuff reality started with O2 Arena concert announcements.... and believe or not... the O2 Arena place was initially built as Millennium Dome....
Very interesting thought Flory. The Dome Project has always intrigued me and it seems, according to some reports, that MJ was VERY busy with the Dome Project http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/board,252.0.html during the rehearsals. A project related to O2 concerts, Thriller etc. though in particular to hoax purposes, probably started years before MJ´s ´death´ and where plans for the BIGGEST SHOW ON EARTH were developed with the ultimate goal to find justice and to reveal the truth to the whole world. And in order to get the best impact to the public this show wil be jawdropping, innovative and groundbreaking. Think about the interesting hologram developments with a link to Lightman in This Is It "Piece by piece by piece by piece Michael will reveal himself"
Wish, great that you started this interesting thread. All posts with different points of view are a great contribution to this ARG investigation!
LOVE
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Now I'm totally confused!!! I thought TS said in one of his quotes that the hoax is not for entertaining reasons and that we should take it seriously. Could someone please post the quote? > confused, so confused, very confused.....
Yes I believe this hoax is something serious of course but I think Michael is trying to disguise his grief and suffering with entertainment with this ARG, he had never wanted us to suffer with the true reasons of faking his death so the only way to cope and make this hoax more bearable is keeping us entertained but it doesn't mean that this hoax is a game or something not serious but I understand your point of view.
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Agree with you about TS bec. The levels were never finished (as TS promised he would) because a few of us got ahead of ourselves. TS was supposed to debunk (in theory) the various theories of what happened on June 25th, starting with Live-MJ-was-there but his arguments weren't strong enough and we called him on it. That was the only time I can recall TS having a real sort of tone in his posts. My belief about that is that we were too close to the truth and why TS wanted to debunk that one right away. I could be wrong of course but why did he just stop after that?
TS is definitely part of the ARG, he was basically our main player for the first 2 years. The re-directs kept us guessing and speculating. He would be serious but could joke around and have fun with us. What we are seeing from him now with the Signs threw a lot of people off initially back in January but he had been hinting at all the religious aspects since 2009, even mentioning back then that he would go into much more detail about the Ark of the Covenant, which he did this past January. It all seemed to be leading up to these signs and TS had already established his cred by then. He tells many irrefutable truths but is slippery. I wish he was still active on the forum here.
If we agree that TS is from Michael's side, since Michael is the "Puppetmaster" who has all this ARG in control, then we can simply come to the conclusion that Michael is the one who stopped TS from continuing the "levels" as TS is/ was only an informer taking orders from the "Puppetmaster".
I do agree that many usernames were used to help this ARG go forward, but not only usernames, I guess some photoshopped avatars too!!! JMHO :icon_e_wink:
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Sometimes during these 3 years I have been wondering if some things/news/events were part of the hoax or reality, are we part of it or not? :computer-losy-smiley:
I did some research in ARG movies and ARG in connecion to the media and I've read that ARG and Transmedia storytelling share the same criteria. The movie "I'm Still Here" about a hoax crossed my mind and this movie is considered to be a transmedia storytelling.
In Transmedia storytelling, content becomes invasive and fully permeates the audience's lifestyle. A transmedia project develops storytelling across multiple forms of media in order to have different "entry points" in the story; entry-points with a unique and independent lifespan but with a definite role in the big narrative scheme
. http://springboardmedia.blogspot.nl/2010/10/im-still-here-as-transmedia.html
More about Transmedia:
Transmedia Storytelling, Fan Culture and the Future of Marketing
Published: July 03, 2012 in Knowledge@Wharton
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The rise of each new medium -- print, motion pictures, radio, television -- introduces new forms of communication and entertainment. Often, the new medium initially replicates what came before: Many early movies were filmed stage plays, and early television programs were based on their radio antecedents. Eventually, however, each new medium evolves into its own form.
Our current multi-channel, multi-screen, "always on" world is giving rise to a new form of storytelling, dubbed "transmedia," that unfolds a narrative across multiple media channels. A single story may present some elements through a television series or a motion picture with additional narrative threads explored in comic books, video games or a collection of websites and Twitter feeds. Depending on their level of interest, fans can engage in selection of these story elements or follow all of them to fully immerse themselves in the world of the story.
Andrea Phillips first encountered transmedia storytelling back in 2001 when a friend told her about a baffling website by the Anti-Robot Militia, a group opposed to the advance of cybernetic humans. On further investigation, she found other online clues that expanded the mystery, and she even participated in real-world events related to the story, such as an Anti-Robot Militia rally in New York. Phillips later discovered these elements were part of an elaborate marketing campaign -- later known as "The Beast" -- created by a team at Microsoft to promote Steven Spielberg's forthcoming film, A.I. Artificial Intelligence.
Her adventure exploring the world portrayed in "The Beast" had a profound impact on Phillips, who decided that this was the type of work she wanted to do. She went on to become a full-time free-lance transmedia author, working on the interactive treasure hunt "Perplex City," the immersive online sensory experience "The Maester's Path" in conjunction with HBO's "Game of Thrones," and the Facebook-based human rights game "America 2049." Her new book, A Creator's Guide to Transmedia Storytelling: How to Captivate and Engage Audiences across Multiple Platforms, offers advice and guidelines for authors interested in exploring this emerging field.
Knowledge@Wharton recently sat down with Phillips in New York City to discuss the evolution of transmedia storytelling and how these narrative techniques are being used to engage consumers and find new ways to market everything from movies to consumer products.
read more: http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article.cfm?articleid=3039
I found this vid "Bard 5.0, The Evolution of Storytelling":
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4qMBhr5Oq4 [/youtube]
"Bard 5.0: The Evolution of Storytelling" - Influential pioneer who defined the alternate reality entertainment genre worldwide. Sean Stewart is Co-Founder and lead writer for Fourth Wall Studios. Sean is an award-winning science fiction novelist, a groundbreaking figure in transmedia storytelling, and the most experienced and influential writer of Alternate Reality Games (ARGs) in the world. A graduate of the University of Alberta in Edmonton and currently based in California, Sean has founded four genre defining companies including 42 Entertainment and Fourth Wall Studios, behind ARG campaigns including The Beast, I Love Bees, Year Zero, and Vanishing Point (Microsoft). In publishing, he has continued to push the envelope of the traditional novel with the transmedia Cathys Book, a New York Times and international bestseller currently published in twenty countries and a dozen languages around the world.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4qMBhr5Oq4
LOVE
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Lovely.
"The art of storytelling at this point is not about dictating to an audience.
It's a dance.
It's a 'hold out your hand' and ask if the other person would like to play too."
Hope you enjoy dancing with us this far, Michael, as much as we do.
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@everlastinglove_MJ.....awesome, awesome, awesome......storytelling at a whole new level.....brilliant! Great stuff for sure....
*btw...my laptop is horrible can't write much...just to let u know :(
Love & Blessings
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The curtain - The curtain is usually a metaphor to separate the puppetmasters of the player. You can be under complete secrecy as to the identity of the puppeteer and his involvement in the production, or only cite the fact that the puppetmasters cannot communicate directly with players during the game, interacting with the characters and participating in the design. (Front, TS,.. TMZ, Larry King, …) :suspect:
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I cant believe I only just saw this thread. Feel sorta lame now making that ARG post in the front thread yesterday, when everyone is in here talking about it already LOL
Paula, I think this is really interesting re the curtain separating puppetmaster. As we know preparations for this hoax started way back in bad era. (which is crazy huh, as ARG is more of a current concept) However, I kind of think that the 02 announcement was the start of the hoax. Telling the public that there were going to be concerts (we know they were never going to happen)
Interesting that this was the event where MJ stepped out from behind the red curtain and the puppetmaster was distinguished in the ARG and it commenced from there. "people buying into the ARG" or preparing to see MJ in concert, 02 announcement gets everyone's attention and ARG commences, the rest is HIStory and the hoax just snowballs from there.
I am really loving the ARG theory right now. I think that it not just the only reason for hoax, but in addition to being a partial reason for the hoax its the platform / medium for it or the way it was rolled out. I believe there are other reasons too, I cant decide amongst all of the theories, been going in circles too long, so am just trusting that it will reveal itself in time.
Or perhaps the different 'theories of why' (media sting, medical, media prank, biblical enlightenment, movie, etc etc) are there to keep us all tuned, as we all have different interests and perhaps need different carrots.
Anyways, I'm rambling. Sorry
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As explained above, I'm a late arrival to this thread and the wiki stuff has already been discussed, anyhow at the risk of being 'Lame to the power of 7' I will just dump yesterdays post I made in the front thread, LOL.[/size]
This information is nothing new, I am sure many similar posts exist in the old forum and other archived forums. (hope I don't bore you old timers!) However just posting it up here for some of the newer members or other members that aren't sold on ARG. Just food for thought, not saying this is what we have on our hands conclusive.
The information I am posting is taken from Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game)
What is ARG?
An alternate reality game (ARG) is an interactive narrative that uses the real world as a platform and uses transmedia storytelling to deliver a story that may be altered by participants' ideas or actions.
The form is defined by intense player involvement with a story that takes place in real-time and evolves according to participants' responses. Subsequently, it is shaped by characters that are actively controlled by the game's designers, as opposed to being controlled by artificial intelligence as in a computer or console video game. Players interact directly with characters in the game, solve plot-based challenges and puzzles, and collaborate as a community to analyze the story and coordinate real-life and online activities. ARGs generally use multimedia, such as telephones, email and mail but rely on the Internet as the central binding medium.
Similarities to and differences from other forms of entertainment
Computer/console/video games. While ARGs generally use the internet as a central binding medium, they are not played exclusively on a computer and usually do not require the use of special software or interfaces. Non-player characters in ARGs are controlled in real-time by the puppetmasters, not computer AI.
Role-playing games (RPGs) and Live action role-playing games (LARPs). The role of the puppetmaster in creating ARG narratives and the puppetmaster's relationship with an ARG's players bears a great deal of similarity to the role of a game master, gamemaster or referee in a role-playing game. However, the role of the players is quite different. Most ARGs do not have any fixed rules—players discover the rules and the boundaries of the game through trial and error—and do not require players to assume fictional identities or roleplay beyond feigning belief in the reality of the characters they interact with (even if games where players play 'themselves' are a long standing variant on the genre).[6] Also, the This Is Not A Game aesthetic is distinctive to ARGs, not being present in the RPGs or LARPs.
Massively multiplayer online role-playing games (MMORPGs). As outlined above with computer games and traditional role-playing games, non-player characters in ARGs are controlled by real people in real time, not by computer AI; ARGs do not generally require special software or interfaces to play; the games do not require players to roleplay or create characters or avatars; and ARGs generally use multiple media and real life in addition to the internet to distribute their narratives.
Viral marketing/internet hoaxes. While ARGs are often used as a type of viral marketing, they diverge sharply from the philosophy behind "sponsored consumers" or other viral marketing practices that attempt to trick consumers into believing that planted shills for a product are other independent consumers. Similarly, they also diverge from sites or narratives that genuinely try to convince visitors that they are what they claim to be. Puppetmasters generally leave both subtle and overt clues to the game's fictional nature and boundaries where players can find them (e.g. through clearly fictional names on site registrations) and many ARGs openly flaunt obviously fictional plots. The puppetmasters of the genre's seminal example, the Beast,(see below)[7] made it a point of pride never to pretend to be players in order to solicit publicity or nudge players along, and the Terms of Service of Unfiction, the central community site for the ARG genre, strictly prohibit individuals involved in creating games from posting about them without disclosing their involvement.[8]
It gets more interesting...
Unique terminology
Among the terms essential to understand discussions about ARGs are:
Puppetmaster – A puppetmaster or "PM" is an individual involved in designing and/or running an ARG. Puppetmasters are simultaneously allies and adversaries to the player base, creating obstacles and providing resources for overcoming them in the course of telling the game's story. Puppetmasters generally remain behind the curtain while a game is running.[3] The real identity of puppet masters may or may not be known ahead of time.
The Curtain – The curtain, drawing from the phrase, “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain,” is generally a metaphor for the separation between the puppetmasters and the players.[3] This can take the traditional form of absolute secrecy regarding the puppetmasters' identities and involvement with the production, or refer merely to the convention that puppetmasters do not communicate directly with players through the game, interacting instead through the characters and the game's design.
Rabbithole/Trailhead – A rabbithole, or trailhead, marks the first media artifact, be it a website, contact, or puzzle, that draws in players. Most ARGs employ a number of trailheads in several media to maximize the probability of people discovering the game. Typically, the rabbithole is a website, the most easily updated, cost-effective option.[4]
This Is Not A Game (TINAG) – Setting the ARG form apart from other games is the This Is Not A Game sentiment popularized by the players themselves. It is the belief that “one of the main goals of the ARG is to deny and disguise the fact that it is even a game at all.”[5]
Puppetmaster.... Curtain.... Rabbit Hole..... This is not a game (staying in role)
Remind you of....
(http://www.nme.com/images/0935_183955_michaeljacksonpaphotos1L50309.jpg)
hmm, nice red 'Curtains' MJ...
Rabbits. A reoccurring theme.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kvYJOjDaKfI/SsNtYR6Ba1I/AAAAAAAAAEU/vA5QL6RDqxU/s400/tshirts.bmp)
(http://static01.cirquedusoleil.com/en/~/media/shows/believe/images/content/albumcover.jpg)
(http://distilleryimage0.s3.amazonaws.com/2fb00156b5bc11e1a39b1231381b7ba1_7.jpg)
THIS IS NOT A GAME.... aka, THIS IS NOT IT... Jermaine's message.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-My8PJO3qTs[/youtube]
Damn I L.O.V.E this hoax!
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Sorry for 'post bombing' I forgot to add: If this is and ARG and in specific a role playing ARG, does that make TS a character who is just playing a role? If so, does that make his promise of BAM unreliable? Does that mean the deadline he gave shouldn't be taken literally? Or does his deadline mark the end of ARG and Bam? Just thinking out loud. Don't necessarily think this.
In addition: I am really glad I haven't formed by belief in hoax based on TS / Front. To me it were the observations that others made and shared here on forum and on YT that once I viewed showed me conclusively that he is alive. To me TS and Front were cream on the cake, made me think and provided much entertainment and triggered many interesting conversations that make us discover more and more new things, even if they ultimately end up to be unrelated. (look at how many of us had religious / bible related discussions for example)
Anyhow. If Front and TS turn out to be characters of a game and if some of what they posted to us turns out not to be completely dependable. (Such as Bam date) I take comfort in knowing that even if these two characters and everything they said are deducted from the hoax equation, WE KNOW THE TRUTH and that was that MJ faked his death on 25.06.09. Even if that is all we ever get out of this and no Bam, then we are the privileged few amongst all of MJs fans that got to see 25.06.09 for what it really was.
On the flip side. (Re: Bam) If we again deduct Front / Ts and their promises of Bam from the hoax equation and look simply at music lyrics, Jackson family and TII - Then then a Bam is still inevitable as that is what is being insinuated plus I am sure we can all "feel it quite strongly" that this is all building up to a crescendo. This media stuff about Jackson estate / family can't go on forever.
I frikken LOVE this rabbithole! Ok, now I'm babbling. Over and out.
EDIT: for the record I think MJ is behind front and at a minimum someone from MJs camp behind TS.
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Shikster!! - I remember him. He was cool. At least I always thought Shikster was a "he".
Wrote great poetry and riddles...I always thought he possibly may have been MJ way back then.
I also remember going down the ARG rabbit hole very early on in the hoax (helped of course by TS's redirect to the NIN Year Zero ARG) and all that info on the wiki page about ARG's was so very applicable to this hoax. As well of course the Joey Skaggs information. Wasn't it thought at one stage that Joey Skaggs was actually the person behind Jonell Star TV YouTube videos about the hoax? They were one of the very 1st to start making hoax videos I seem to recall:
http://www.youtube.com/user/JonellStarTV#g/a
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Yeah something very fishy about that Jonell Star. She was the first to make hoax videos but she never participated in the forum. I believed it was a hoax before I watched her first video but there was no going back after viewing what she put together about the ambulance footage, the photo, the helicopter, all compelling.
Dozens of other hoax video makers spun off of her launch pad. She was the first and only for a very long time (felt very long back then, was probably only a month or so).
Shikster disappeared for a long time right after I yelled at him because he was letting people call him "MJ". That rubbed me wrong. So much like I asked sehf to clarify, I asked him to do the same and stop perpetuating this nonsense and then *poof* he split. He showed back up a year or so later writing poetry. The original Shikster was so much more interesting, he posted good, interesting investigative things... leads in hindsight. He posted leads. For whoever wanted to look into it further. He never really followed up, just let others present the depth of his original idea. Like the PT Barnum stuff.
We should talk about how quantity of players has never been a focus of this ARG. There has never really been a push to get more people involved. Even TS said last year that we have reached critical mass. Those who don't believe probably never will, and those who believe probably will never change their mind. TS never tried to sway people, never tried to "prove" he was legit. Neither did Front. They both could have gotten the entire hoax community on board in about 3 keystrokes if they wanted to... yet they seem not to want to. The reasons behind that are sort of murky for me.
I understand quality vs. quantity, but this seems too massive an undertaking to cater to less then 50 gamers for such a duration of time as we have endured.
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Quality vs quantity - audition for later purposes - how many can a stage allow to shine?
Anybody else entertained the thought that we took the initial spark, continue to write the book and that we could determine when the story - and how - ends?
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Is it possible ARG is not the purpose for hoax, but ARG running 'along side it' for legal implications post bam. And the ARG is just designed to indemnify MJ and family from repercussions from hoax? Therefore no need to grow it (regarding quantity comment above) as Bec mentioned above not a push to te more on board?
Bec can you please clarify something, in case I am misunderstanding your post. You mentioned critical mass, I remember those posts too. Then 'those who don't believe probably never will and those who do will never change their mind' again I remember such posts.
But can you please clarify do you think these comments about critical mass within perimeter of ARG or the hoax full stop. I seem to remember a post can't remember if it were a front or TS, where it was talking about bam. There were speculations of members about possibility of people not recognizing bam or doubting bam / MJ return when it happens.
The last line in your last post reads to me as though you are referring to hoax when you say 'massive undertaking'
I got the sense from TS / Front that BAM will be an unmistakable event to worldwide audience.
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Posting that Jonell Star Youtube link got me watching their videos again.........interesting the ones with interviews with Joey Skaggs in them. Makes me wonder if Joey Skaggs in anyway was/is helping MJ in this hoax.
Yeah Shikster - I do remember him posting little snippets of leads for people to follow, he was really an extremely fascinating "character" in the very early stages of the hoax. He grabbed my attention very early on when I was merely a MJHD member who read ALOT there but didn't post very much back then. Good times........
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Is it possible ARG is not the purpose for hoax, but ARG running 'along side it' for legal implications post bam. And the ARG is just designed to indemnify Therefore no need to grow it (regarding quantity comment above)
Bec can you please clarify something, in case I am misunderstanding your post. You mentioned critical mass, I remember those posts too. Then 'those who don't believe probably never will and those who do will never change their mind' again I remember such posts.
But can you please clarify do you think these comments about critical mass within perimeter of ARG or the hoax full stop. I seem to remember a post can't remember if it were a front or TS, where it was talking about bam. There were speculations of members about possibility of people not recognizing bam not knowing or doubting bam / MJ return.
The last line in your last post reads to me as though you are referring to hoax when you say 'massive undertaking'
I got the sense from TS / Front that BAM will be an unmistakable event to worldwide audience.
I think similar to you, hoax-ARG running parallel. I think of it as a game based on a movie.
TS hinted at the legal protection offered by hoaxers with his definition of a Sting. I see a parallel in his words that perhaps we protect MJ from his own fans who may accuse him after the fact of deceit.
I do think the ARG itself has been a massive undertaking. The online presence to kick this off and keep it going and make it tick has to be huge, from all the rabbit holes dropped, to all the websites and phone numbers, back stories and photographs, clues dropped in interviews, Twitter accounts, Facebook, MJJC, here... etc etc etc.
That's a whole lot of work for the 50 or so of us who appreciate it right now.
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Intimacy does not count for thousands.
We look into Michael's bedroom, he looks into our life.
We enjoy Michael's work, he enjoys our talents.
"we wanna show them t(ime)(alent)".
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Intimacy does not count for thousands.
We look into Michael's bedroom, he looks into our life.
We enjoy Michael's work, he enjoys our talents.
"we wanna show them t(ime)(alent)".
yes and that is what all of this adventure/journey is about..we have unique and once in a lifetime chance to learn things with "better" eyes, get to know him little bit more (to the limit what he wants us to know) and during this long time of researching and learning we are discovering new things about ourselves, too! I am so grateful for that! :th_bravo:
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Ellyd
"The art of storytelling at this point is not about dictating to an audience.
It's a dance.
It's a 'hold out your hand' and ask if the other person would like to play too."
Hope you enjoy dancing with us this far, Michael, as much as we do.
That’s why thinking MJ is cruel to his fans for lying to them, is completely missing the whole point, missing the beauty and sublime loving gift this is to his fans from Michael.
how many can a stage allow to shine?
That reminds me of the number of people on the stage while MJ danced on the tables in OMC—are we about that number here who are die-hards? Was there 50 up there? (Bec you mentioned that number.)
We look into Michael's bedroom, he looks into our life.
We enjoy Michael's work, he enjoys our talents.
I hope he feels as blessed by our response as we do receiving his work/insight into his life/heart.
Bec, the only push for quantity was the whole trying to get the word out on MJ and Elvis on twitter and other media, which seemed forced and unnatural to me at the time—I didn’t really get it, and there was a bit of a push for joining the Army of Love, although I don’t know what that really achieved either.
Unless it's the ultimate mind fuk... and we will be so cocky and sure of ourselves and our newly comprehended reality that we need to get knocked off our feet and driven back into the emotional rollercoaster with the ultimate let down just prior to the ultimate elation... and 1/1/2013 comes n goes n here we sit, deflated, defeated, depressed, and driven to the brink of our self confidence.
It just feels as if this adventure needs eventually an ending. So even if there’s no Bam, we need someone telling us at least, “The ARG is officially over. Thank you for your participation and enthusiasm. It was nice getting to know you, and it was fun. Blessings and goodbye. Be sure to check out the MJ website for future events/projects.” Then perhaps our forum could even plan for an event in some city for everyone to travel to and get together. It’s like we need closure, otherwise there’s the nagging feeling the MJ-deaders were right after all, and then Jan1, 2013 it will be our turn to grieve.
Don't mean to dig up old controversy but if the ARG was started in Bad era, the fact that he told Branca back then he wanted his life to be the Greatest Show on Earth, and that a year or so after giving the P.T. Barnum book to each of his staff, the Pepsi fire took place in 1984. Throughout the years sometimes he/others would sign/write legal documents with middle name Joe and sometimes with Joseph, and with all the many evil aspects of people around Michael intertwined with the fact that the MJ death hoax is an ARG, it makes me question YET again, the whole horrific times of all the accusations and 2005 trial, and the major role they play in the passion people have for the man, whether love or hate. Were these events part of the ARG? Passion is wanted in ARG’s. I know it seems unthinkable, but always in the back of my mind for 3 years now, it has played occasionally. Back called out Harvey as on his evil list and yet TMZ has been key throughout the hoax, so was Back simply playing the character of a very wounded/targeted MJ? At the same time I think the hatred (much of it racial) directed towards MJ was/had to be very real, and my heart is so broken for what MJ went through. All of the information we have received so far on the evil people around MJ and the Hoax/ARG/Greatest Show on Earth, simply cannot co-exist at the same time. That’s precisely why there are 2 camps—those who believe he died/was murdered and those who believe he’s alive. But each of these sides tends to ignore the info out there that goes against their thinking, since trying to embrace them both as true at the same time could make a person go insane screaming endlessly. I can hardly think of a person who’s had more controversy in his life about every possible detail than MJ, which really has added to his being the most recognizable person on the planet, and called the greatest entertainer of all times. Do we really know the true perimeter of this MJ ARG? What's in it and what is not?
This is something else I’ve always wrestled with, that perhaps very few of the people involved in MJ’s life whether evil or good, is aware of the full (or any) extent/purpose of the ARG/hoax which would mean they are being manipulated by an unseen hand—I’m thinking supernatural—like God. Because otherwise I struggle with seeing how this A.R.G. of all ARGS is humanly possible—it’s that frightfully good. JMT
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That's a whole lot of work for the 50 or so of us who appreciate it right now.
First, I thought that this hoax would attract as many people as there can be because all the clues, all the videos all the winks are so logical and I always found it so strange that many people believed that Michael died on June 25th. Now, after 3 years, the hoax videos are increasing. Google is even giving people a clue that Michael Jackson is "alive" when searching for information about him. Yet, it saddens me to see that the number of our forum users is decreasing. Instead of educating as many people as there can be, only few are aware of this ARG. I don't know if this is Michael's intention (to keep as few players as possible). Since this ARG has changed our lives to a better one, how come we are not many! How come this ARG is not well known on a higher level! I though Michael wanted to clear his name, raise awareness, educate people etc....., yet not many have taken notice yet! But when the Bam comes, then it will be too late for those who didn't join us at the very beginning. I consider myself very lucky. But I feel sorry for those who haven't found the forum and didn't join us yet, although they might have the feeling that Michael might sill be alive!
Blessings
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We look into Michael's bedroom, he looks into our life.
We enjoy Michael's work, he enjoys our talents.
I hope he feels as blessed by our response as we do receiving his work/insight into his life/heart.
+1
It just feels as if this adventure needs eventually an ending. So even if there’s no Bam, we need someone telling us at least, “The ARG is officially over. Thank you for your participation and enthusiasm. It was nice getting to know you, and it was fun. Blessings and goodbye. Be sure to check out the MJ website for future events/projects.” Then perhaps our forum could even plan for an event in some city for everyone to travel to and get together. It’s like we need closure, otherwise there’s the nagging feeling the MJ-deaders were right after all, and then Jan1, 2013 it will be our turn to grieve.
great post MJonmind! I share your feelings :icon_razz:
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Bec, the only push for quantity was the whole trying to get the word out on MJ and Elvis on twitter and other media, which seemed forced and unnatural to me at the time—I didn’t really get it, and there was a bit of a push for joining the Army of Love, although I don’t know what that really achieved either.
Perhaps the Army of Love push, was not for now but for later, post BAM when MJ comes our and need united support?
Don't mean to dig up old controversy but if the ARG was started in Bad era, the fact that he told Branca back then he wanted his life to be the Greatest Show on Earth, and that a year or so after giving the P.T. Barnum book to each of his staff, the Pepsi fire took place in 1984. Throughout the years sometimes he/others would sign/write legal documents with middle name Joe and sometimes with Joseph, and with all the many evil aspects of people around Michael intertwined with the fact that the MJ death hoax is an ARG, it makes me question YET again, the whole horrific times of all the accusations and 2005 trial, and the major role they play in the passion people have for the man, whether love or hate. Were these events part of the ARG? Passion is wanted in ARG’s. I know it seems unthinkable, but always in the back of my mind for 3 years now, it has played occasionally. Back called out Harvey as on his evil list and yet TMZ has been key throughout the hoax, so was Back simply playing the character of a very wounded/targeted MJ? At the same time I think the hatred (much of it racial) directed towards MJ was/had to be very real, and my heart is so broken for what MJ went through. All of the information we have received so far on the evil people around MJ and the Hoax/ARG/Greatest Show on Earth, simply cannot co-exist at the same time. That’s precisely why there are 2 camps—those who believe he died/was murdered and those who believe he’s alive. But each of these sides tends to ignore the info out there that goes against their thinking, since trying to embrace them both as true at the same time could make a person go insane screaming endlessly. I can hardly think of a person who’s had more controversy in his life about every possible detail than MJ, which really has added to his being the most recognizable person on the planet, and called the greatest entertainer of all times. Do we really know the true perimeter of this MJ ARG? What's in it and what is not?
You raise some interesting points... Some that have been the basis for controversial discussion previously. (not saying you are doing that now) but yeah just highlighting that should the ARG have commenced a long long time ago and not just with DH, it puts question mark around 05 trial, pepsi burn, and other such controversial topics.
whats fiction whats not...
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On 05 THEY CRUCIFY HIM FOR REAL &#%(((!!, dear pals- for all who wasnt there at the moment((. Its assurely Grace of God that dear Mike is survive - mentally and physically- cause its simply Impossible for human to endure degree of himuliation and pain that Michael go through there((....
He was literally VANISHED at the end of it - read Jermain book extention to understand - if u wasnt see M by your own eyes at this time!!
Sneddon Is REAL, as well is shitty Gavin, who should really die of cancer as God planned him- instead be HEALED by M and accused MJ after all.
Michael give second
life for that ungrateful snake -> I even cant imagine on aftermath - to what extend our Michael begin to question his destiny, faith and all God's law after 05 - to be able to back to us now with all his life-long game!((
Surely ARG is playing here for real - and so all MJ enemies was calculating his fall for sure.
But ALL KINGS TO THE KING - Michael Won BIG tIME! =))
Endless Love to you Mdear 4all ur L.O.V.E lesson !!
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On 05 THEY CRUCIFY HIM FOR REAL &#%(((!!, dear pals- for all who wasnt there at the moment((. Its assurely Grace of God that dear Mike is survive - mentally and physically- cause its simply Impossible for human to endure degree of himuliation and pain that Michael go through there((....
He was literally VANISHED at the end of it - read Jermain book extention to understand - if u wasnt see M by your own eyes at this time!!
Sneddon Is REAL, as well is shitty Gavin, who should really DIE of cancer as God planned him- instead be HEALED by M and accused MJ after all.
Michael give second
life for that ungrateful snake -> I even cant imagine on aftermath - to what extend our Michael begin to question his destiny, faith and all God's law after 05 - to be able to back to us now with all his life-long game!((
Surely ARG is playing here for real - and so all MJ enemies was calculating his fall for sure.
But ALL KINGS TO THE KING - Michael Won BIG tIME! =))
Endless Love to you Mdear 4all ur L.O.V.E lesson !!
I'm sorry but I'm normally easy going but Sky your post is sounding hateful and I find it hard to digest
it sounds like you're full of hate not love, maybe you need to go through those lessons again.
Gavin was a young boy at the time, he had adults around him coaxing him, prompting him, manipulating him, influencing him, they are the ones who should be held accountable, they are the corrupted ones, he was but a child following what he was told to do and no one knows what was happening for him and his siblings in that time, only assumptions and accusations and yet you declare he should have been left to die. Hasn't Michael been trying to teach us better than that?
The adults should be held accountable and not by wishing death upon them.
I wanted to say much more about this but I don't wish to bring further negative feelings into this and will leave it at this.
No one should be wishing death on anyone, such hateful words......
Because parents have power over children. They feel they have to do what their parents say. But the love of money is the root of all evil. And this is a sweet child. And to see him turn like this, this isn't him. This is not him.
Michael Jackson
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In thinking about some of the thought MJonmind brought up again, the thing I have trouble in dealing with, is rightly dividing what really happened from fiction. If MJ one day decided during the 80's that he would like his life to be The Greatest Show on Earth, then something triggered his thoughts in that direction. If we take the time lines that his vitiligo started to get more noticable, then that may be the initial catalyst for the P T Barnum type of promotion. I'm imagining that Michael was aware that not to far in the past, dark skinned people with vitiligo were side show attractions. Horrific I know, but it happened. Imagine being the most sought after celebrity on the earth and going through this at the same time. No where to run / no where to hide....so may as well use it. That's what great art is made from [ as well as one's character]
Now if we are going to question whether the pepsi fire was real or a hoax and if the 2005 trial was real or hoaxed, then we need to consider all the information at our disposal. MJ seemed to like wearing the fedora almost constantly. I recently read somewhere that he liked that it covered the lump on his head that was from the ballooning procedure to stretch his scalp. You know, that made sense to me. MJ's art and innovation, style, and fashion sense came from a necessity to be able to function and work without drawing undue attention to the personal issues he was challenged with daily. His real life could have been the inspiration for his artistic creation.
I wrote down this quote from Tony Chiarella....Esquire magazine, 2009 because I found it profoundly beautiful, inspiring and heart wrenching all at the same time.
"I never liked the glove, although, when I saw his monstrous hand, I got it. And I admired what he'd done to cover it up. It was never clear to me if that hurt or not, but I imagine it did. Think about the beauty of that. Putting sequins on your open wounds. Think about the entire world staring at the one thing that makes you feel most ugly."
So I guess I'm trying to express with this post that an ARG doesn't have to negate the reality of these episodes really happening in Michael's real life. They may well have been the triggers for finding inventive and unique way to deal with them as well as make incredible art from the emotional fuel they provided.
[PS....RK definitely doesn't believe the 2005 trial was hoaxed event]
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is it a possibility though that he wanted to recreate a similar trial to gain his innocence back after 1993 and a chance to fight it through to the end? also to expose Tom Sneddon for the man he is? Not a complete hoax, like a mini one where reality was in the courts, jury and the attorney and prosecutor.. but maybe plan devised between him and the family but it took a different path with Sneddons corruption, I think back to the article about Dr Murray wishing now that he had took the stand in his own trial, and I thought about how Michael wanted and wished he had followed through with the 93' trial..
I don't fully believe it to be a semi hoax but it crosses my mind from time to time. I never watched the trial in real time, I have read a lot about it recently and watched the youtube videos but until this hoax I never wanted to read into it because to me the allegations seemed so fictitious just in there nature, the bits i did hear seemed to resemble nothing of reality and a big vulture circus.
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Some hoaxes are huge and take place over the course of years …
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Final Curtain Hoax and MJ Hoax Parallels
#1 The hoaxes were directly related to "1998".
#2 The hoaxes were all about "death".
#3 The hoaxes had a large "team" involving "numerous talented co-conspirators" (all agreeing to secrecy until the time to remove the "curtain").
#4 The hoaxes were "huge", "elaborate", "sophisticated", and "convincing".
#5 Yet the hoax directors "always left clues" and "THE SIGNS WERE THERE" for the few who really wanted to know the truth.
#6 In spite of the clues, the hoaxes were "immediately accepted by the public as a reality without question".
#7 Both hoaxes had a person involved named "MICHAEL JACKSON"!
#8 Both hoaxes refer specifically to "Forest Lawn cemeteries".
#9 The purpose of these hoaxes is to draw public attention to the "media’s wicked ways" (reporting as truth that which they have not carefully investigated, etc).
Hopefully our hoax will end soon, it's been almost four years ... though I'm sure that after the Bam many of us will kind of regret this interested period of their lives ... but that's another subject.
The parallels are quite shocking !
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The children used in the false molestation plots were victims just as MJ was
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Yes and that "victim" has had multiple opportunities to set the record straight yet has declined.
Back was no fan of Gavin. No fan at all.
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Yes and that "victim" has had multiple opportunities to set the record straight yet has declined.
Back was no fan of Gavin. No fan at all.
And I agree. At the time, both were juvenilles and part of their parents evil scam. It's frustrating that both kids in 93 and 05 have still not cleared record.
I know there is confidentiality arrangements, etc. But it's just frustrating that now they are adults that nothing is said to clear the record.
I only take comfort in the thought, that perhaps its not time and hopefully that is to come. However, I often worry that it won't happen and there will still be that question mark in the eyes of the public and it sux!
Have to trust the driver that it's resolved.
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That's a whole lot of work for the 50 or so of us who appreciate it right now.
First, I thought that this hoax would attract as many people as there can be because all the clues, all the videos all the winks are so logical and I always found it so strange that many people believed that Michael died on June 25th. Now, after 3 years, the hoax videos are increasing. Google is even giving people a clue that Michael Jackson is "alive" when searching for information about him. Yet, it saddens me to see that the number of our forum users is decreasing. Instead of educating as many people as there can be, only few are aware of this ARG. I don't know if this is Michael's intention (to keep as few players as possible). Since this ARG has changed our lives to a better one, how come we are not many! How come this ARG is not well known on a higher level! I though Michael wanted to clear his name, raise awareness, educate people etc....., yet not many have taken notice yet! But when the Bam comes, then it will be too late for those who didn't join us at the very beginning. I consider myself very lucky. But I feel sorry for those who haven't found the forum and didn't join us yet, although they might have the feeling that Michael might sill be alive!
Blessings
Don't worry honey the number of members is decreasing not because they don't believe anymore in this hoax but due to it's getting very long and they are not patient anymore.
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That's a whole lot of work for the 50 or so of us who appreciate it right now.
First, I thought that this hoax would attract as many people as there can be because all the clues, all the videos all the winks are so logical and I always found it so strange that many people believed that Michael died on June 25th. Now, after 3 years, the hoax videos are increasing. Google is even giving people a clue that Michael Jackson is "alive" when searching for information about him. Yet, it saddens me to see that the number of our forum users is decreasing. Instead of educating as many people as there can be, only few are aware of this ARG. I don't know if this is Michael's intention (to keep as few players as possible). Since this ARG has changed our lives to a better one, how come we are not many! How come this ARG is not well known on a higher level! I though Michael wanted to clear his name, raise awareness, educate people etc....., yet not many have taken notice yet! But when the Bam comes, then it will be too late for those who didn't join us at the very beginning. I consider myself very lucky. But I feel sorry for those who haven't found the forum and didn't join us yet, although they might have the feeling that Michael might sill be alive!
Blessings
Don't worry honey the number of members is decreasing not because they don't believe anymore in this hoax but due to it's getting very long and they are not patient anymore.
A long time ago, there was talk about patience....I wrote some line about if patience is a virtue, I'm screwed. I had no idea
I'd have to be so "virtuous" with this hoax :icon_lol:
But, yes, I do agree that the numbers small...but on purpose for some reason. I think the initial shock of June 25th is fading, and people do move on. I am just too stubborn, lol. You know that gut feeling when you know you're right about something and you just can't give up or give in......I have no choice but to continue being, "virtuous", my patience is not fading at all....I only have my eyes focused on Michael and his message....which is the full beauty of this hoax/ARG....not a game with message pre say.....but a message with a game.
*off-topic*
I had the chance the other night to see a favorite musician of mine...Toby Mac....fantastic concert...he kicked off a new tour.
He's a Christian artist that truly gives you peace of mind with each word he sings and the message of love one another always shines through in his concerts. Just before he took the stage, there was a brief message from Pastor Sammy Adebiyi who lives in Ohio, but grew up in Nigeria. He was talking about how we all are at the front of the line in life. He works closely with the starving children around the world and was saying how many children die each minute from hunger....needless to say I was in tears (like I am right now). They gave the audience an opportunity to help by sponsoring a child from the Food for the Hungry for $32/month. I looked over at a child in the audience...she had tears on her face. Sometimes, we don't know how good we have it. It takes a wake up call message to realize it. The whole message was that of loving children and giving them a chance in life. A remarkable blessing it was. We did sponsor a child that evening.... he's a beautiful 10 year old boy named Luis. He is from Puru. I have his profile and picture...of which is displayed proudly in my home. He's a little angel reminder of how much I am blessed. So, I ask you to keep little Luis and his family/village in Puru in your prayers. Such a wonderful opportunity it was......
Anyways, hope you don't mind I took a second to share that...I didn't want to start a whole new thread.
Here is a video of Toby Mac, in case you're curious about him...he is a Christian rap artist, though he does a wide range:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSXBgoBYFr4[/youtube]
Blessings Always.....
OK....carry on with all the greatness of this amazing adventure........
Are you patient enough for the greatest entertainer in the world.....it's difficult, but so worth it!
LOVE
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Off topic....but I loved dc talk in the '90's. I didn't realize Toby Mac was still around.
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That's like ridiculously off topic. Even I'M not that bad...
*Wrist slap*, don't do it again, wingstar.
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lol Perhaps when a thread goes a little dry, the mind tends to wander.
I still enjoyed the music, and am happy for you Wish!
Perhaps some of that frustration of both boys now adults not coming clean has to do with ARG timing--'tIME'.
So many weird things --like the death of Evan Chandler - TS mentioning it on Nov 5 and almost seeming to have known when it would happen.
MJ examining the insignia on the LAPD jackets on his way into the courtroom, and the pics of him looking for police-like insignia in a shop in Gary when he was there in 2003.
RK, I do like your thoughts on MJ using the lemons in his life to make lemonade. No ordinary lemonade that had ever been made before- mind you. I'm still always keeping in mind that Jesus knew what they would do to him, even telling Judas, "What you must do, do quickly." I've said before that MJ said the songs he wrote came "from above", so why not the hoax/ARG in the same way, and life's greatest suffering he had to go through. He may have had a profound sense of God's plan and purpose for his whole life. I simply cannot shake this since June 2009.
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Yes and that "victim" has had multiple opportunities to set the record straight yet has declined.
Back was no fan of Gavin. No fan at all.
Though both examples of accusations were similar in purpose I think that the character and soul of the children involved may have made a difference in how Michael (or those speaking for him) viewed them afterwards. Jordy appears to have been basically a good kid, put in an untenable position and used as a pawn by his parent while Gavin seems to be tainted in his perceptions and a very eager/willing participant. All of the testimony and statements made by staff at Neverland describe a child with obvious disregard for others and entitlement issues. Destruction of property, B&E, underage drinking, reckless use of vehicles...these are not the actions of a "good kid"...these are the actions of a "what I want, when I want it and how I want it because you owe me" kind of kid. His POS mother surely didn't force him to do all those things. She obviously had instilled poor values in her children but they were clearly old enough to know right from wrong. His overall demeanor doesn't support that he was just a victim as well.
As for Jordy I too am disappointed that a very public correction wasn't attempted once he was away from Evan though I'm not certain that it would have been well received. This is a perfect example of "what's been done cannot be undone". As we've seen...there's a certain percentage of the population that once they heard it...they believed it...and nothing on God's green earth will change their feeble minds. There has been speculation that at least some attempt was made privately to right wrongs. The window of good opportunity to make things right publicly kind of closed again in July 2009 though I think. Jordy is back in the untenable position again IMO. The non-carers will simply disregard it as an attempt to further bolster the purified image of the now "dearly beloved and sadly departed". The non believers will be furious and will crucify and bash him for not coming forward "while Michael was alive" and I'd even bet that it would be all his fault alone that Michael "died". Since the two groups of nons seem to outnumber us diehards exponentially, his life (whatever it is these days) would really be flushed down the toilet. I still think it would be the right thing to do but can surely understand his reluctance. I'm eager to see whatever the final piece that ROTD is working on regarding Jordy may bring to light. Maybe it will bring better understanding...maybe not but for now I (and maybe others) view the children at the heart of the two episodes differently. If I missed any supporting evidence to the contrary back in the day...I apologize and would love to be enlightened. As I said the other day...my mind stays in sponge-mode and is always open for more.
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Both back and Front attest that that chapter is not closed and another act is on tap. I have no reason to doubt these statements.
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That's like ridiculously off topic. Even I'M not that bad...
*Wrist slap*, don't do it again, wingstar.
that's a joke right?
I mean maybe I don't understand what you mean or something...
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Good on you wishingstar!
That is a wonderful thing to share here. I am sure you will be helping little Luis greatly.
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That's a whole lot of work for the 50 or so of us who appreciate it right now.
First, I thought that this hoax would attract as many people as there can be because all the clues, all the videos all the winks are so logical and I always found it so strange that many people believed that Michael died on June 25th. Now, after 3 years, the hoax videos are increasing. Google is even giving people a clue that Michael Jackson is "alive" when searching for information about him. Yet, it saddens me to see that the number of our forum users is decreasing. Instead of educating as many people as there can be, only few are aware of this ARG. I don't know if this is Michael's intention (to keep as few players as possible). Since this ARG has changed our lives to a better one, how come we are not many! How come this ARG is not well known on a higher level! I though Michael wanted to clear his name, raise awareness, educate people etc....., yet not many have taken notice yet! But when the Bam comes, then it will be too late for those who didn't join us at the very beginning. I consider myself very lucky. But I feel sorry for those who haven't found the forum and didn't join us yet, although they might have the feeling that Michael might sill be alive!
Blessings
I think that there are more 'hidden' believers than we think. Think about the new members on hoaxbook, I didn't follow the exact stats but I think that facebooklike hoaxbook could be motivating to 'hidden' believers or even doubters to join hoaxbook or just follow the hoax news. I believe that forum members are still here and did not loose faith, although our personal perceptions about the Bam might differ. They probably changed their priorities, go on with their lives and still keep an eye on the forum and the news, I respect that. The decreasing member activities do not indicate less quantity of members imho. They are still here 'in an inactive waiting mode' :icon_e_wink:
@Wishingstar, actually I don't consider your post as off topic because this (ARG) hoax is also about Michael's inspiring messages about L.O.V.E. & awareness for the planet and humanity, including children in need. Michael has inspired, and still IS inspiring, and created global awareness to so many people. Toby Mac, who might be inspired by MJ too, inspired you to sponsor a child in need. That is wonderful! A great example of L.O.V.E.!
I enjoyed reading your inspiring story Wishingstar.
LOVE
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No, it's not a joke. It's off topic. Hoaxbook is the place where you can put that stuff, hence why it was created. This thread is about ARG. Let's talk about ARG unless this topic has run it's course in which case we can let it retire.
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I like this thread. It causes one to go inside himself and pull out what’s been pent up inside, kept at bay, since this hoax started. I am a little dismayed at times that there are so few people who choose to look with unveiled eyes and understand or at least relate to all the work that has gone into the hoax or ARG and trying to find the truth. It seems so obvious to me that what we were told is utter bullshit. Yet so many believe it and cannot be swayed otherwise. Then on the other hand, I sometimes believe that Michael would want it this way because he desires real troopers who will, come hell or high water, search out the truth and debunk the imposters, including the media hounds who will surely go for the juggler once Michael reveals. Surely Michael knows that better than we do. This hoax has tested our stamina and our faith in him for over three years. By now, he would know who he can trust to be loyal to him and in his corner free of charge. With us, it’s not about the money. :icon_rolleyes: And though we are also fans, we are so much more than that.
I remember during his 45th birthday celebration he talked about wanting a group of his fans working with him, his Army of Love. So maybe this is the test, the interview to find those trustworthy people, be it 10 or 10,000, who are steadfast and faithful. People who do what they do because they believe in and love him and not because they are looking or want anything from him. I know for me, he’s given more to more worthy causes than any other human being in my memory. What more does he need to give? I just want him to be able to live and love in peace. That’s it. He deserves at least that. That’s why I’m here even when I’m not posting. I believe in him and in doing so believe in his ability to do what ever he needed to do in his best interest even if it meant faking his death. Michael is not a quitter. To think that he laid down and allowed an inept doctor to fill his veins with poison at will just does not register. Michael is alive. I am convinced that he lives and breathes somewhere on this planet. I am convinced.
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@hesoutta...... nice post.
It certainly has been a test of our stamina, patience and perseverance. Going down so many different rabbit holes, dead ends, adversaries, the frustrations, the clues coming fast and furiously at times, the quiet times (like now) I guess we were warned by Michael himself in This Is It during that speech to the cast and crew on stage....he was also talking to US. Just so ingenious!
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Here's the transcript: (In a way it relates to Wish's words about children, and yet links to the ARG in the sense that it talks cryptically about his future plans, as in the Hoax/Arg and perhaps our role as fans/hoaxers/whatever you want to call us. :icon_razz:
MJ-Upbeat LONG VERSION 1 MJ Birthday Speech
December 28th 2006
Michael’s 45th Birthday Party
Transcribed by: IDOL HANDS
(combined from the two videos above)
MJ: (gives his father a BIG hug)
[a line of seemingly ten foot tall body guards line up behind him]
[audience is a cheering, happy MESS!]
MJ: “[indistinguishable] gentlemen …my father. I love him.”
“Have you ever noticed that, I have something I want to say, but I won’t talk much…I’m too shy, but I appreciate you guys showing tonight, um, the last performance…Don’t you think the last performance was great?”
[audience cheers harder though they haven’t really stopped cheering!]
[Michael drops off his top shirt to expose his biceps and the audience goes NUTS!]
[upon demands, he turns around quickly to expose the entire outfit/body]
MJ: “I would like to thank…um, I really can’t believe…”
[cheering is just too loud]
MJ: [indistinguishable] “…Thank you for putting together this fabulous party, and people have traveled here from over, what is it, thirty countries?”
“I’m embarrassed at the same time that I’m deeply moved and touched by your love.”
[puts shirt back on, audience begins cheering in unison: WE LOVE YOU, MICHAEL! WE LOVE YOU, MICHAEL!]
MJ: “I love you more.” (laughs and points at his father) “Don’t say anything!"
“It just happens!”
(turns back to the audience) “It’s true though, I love you more. I want you to know that I appreciate my fans very much, not just on occasions like this, but every day of my life it is your presence – your faith – your loyalty – that has given me great strength during difficult times.”
[audience cheers wildly, too loud for him to continue]
MJ: “I love you!”
“And it’s true, it was you who inspired me to work hard…and to deliver. I owe you!”
“Over the years, we became a family, all of us. You are my family; all the contries that we travel to and all the states, and shows we do, all those people. My children are your children!”
“All the children of the world are our children and our responsibility.”
“This is the time that a person reflects on the child that will always live inside them. More, more importantly, a grown man that continues to emerge intellectually, but never lost his childlike innocence. A lot of what you’ll be seeing from me in the future, will celebrate the imagination…”
[audience member shouts: OF ME AND YOU, MIKE!!!]
[Michael completely loses it in embarrassment and turns around.]
[The camera-person zeroes in on his butt when he does this.] Poor guy can’t catch a break! XD
MJ: “Youthful! Of youthful imagination! That has always been a part of me. That’s who I am! Adult perspective of a father, an artist, and a member of our community – my birthday wish, (repeats with emphasis) my birthday wish, is that YOU would join me in some new undertakings.”
“And that is that we all travel into a bright future together.”
[audience cheers wildly: I LOVE YOU MICHAEL!!!]
MJ: “I look forward to looking toward the future with great optimism. I really do. I have assembled a fresh team of good-hearted, loyal members with true team spirit. And they have you, the fans, on the top of their list. If you give them some time, you’ll see. Here’s what you’ll see: A new official website, A variety of official merchandise…”
MJJSOURCE.COM was the site - I paid them $$!
[audience starts chanting: SONY SUCKS!! SONY SUCKS!!]
MJ: “I have something to say about that. I’ll tell in a second.”
“There is going to be a new Michael Jackson clothing line.”
[audience is frantic!]
MJ: “Resort. Hotels.”
“A fan communication center, but you know what? A real fan communication center, but some wonderful surprises also and…I don’t want to give away everything, but I want you to know, that we promise to make Neverland more accessible to the fans…”
[the audience totally loses it again]
MJ: (laughs at their glee) (geez, he really does look like Peter Pan to me here) “I would love to see you come more. So, we’ll work something out so that we can stay in touch. We also want your input, communication.”
“I’d like to thank you for assisting me for bringing justice to Tommy Mattolla!! This is not a good man! He’s a racist! And he used a lot of other people’s careers to destroy other people’s careers! I won’t name names, but Sony FIRED HIM! It was YOU, it was YOU who put your heart on the line. It was YOU who stepped forward to defend someone that you loved.”
“It was YOU on a worldwide basis, who supported me as my army, my soldiers of love.” <3
“People used to ask me, like, you always talk about ‘Heal the World’, why do you need all these soldiers on the stage?’ I said, ‘They’re soldiers of love.’”
You were always there, you were always loyal, and I love you forever for this. I really do.”
[audience chants: WE LOVE YOU! WE LOVE YOU! WE LOVE YOU!]
http://mjfans.livejournal.com/71178.html
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Here's the transcript: (In a way it relates to Wish's words about children, and yet links to the ARG in the sense that it talks cryptically about his future plans, as in the Hoax/Arg and perhaps our role as fans/hoaxers/whatever you want to call us. :icon_razz:
MJ-Upbeat LONG VERSION 1 MJ Birthday Speech
December 28th 2006
Michael’s 45th Birthday Party
Transcribed by: IDOL HANDS
(combined from the two videos above)
MJ: (gives his father a BIG hug)
[a line of seemingly ten foot tall body guards line up behind him]
[audience is a cheering, happy MESS!]
MJ: “[indistinguishable] gentlemen …my father. I love him.”
“Have you ever noticed that, I have something I want to say, but I won’t talk much…I’m too shy, but I appreciate you guys showing tonight, um, the last performance…Don’t you think the last performance was great?”
[audience cheers harder though they haven’t really stopped cheering!]
[Michael drops off his top shirt to expose his biceps and the audience goes NUTS!]
[upon demands, he turns around quickly to expose the entire outfit/body]
MJ: “I would like to thank…um, I really can’t believe…”
[cheering is just too loud]
MJ: [indistinguishable] “…Thank you for putting together this fabulous party, and people have traveled here from over, what is it, thirty countries?”
“I’m embarrassed at the same time that I’m deeply moved and touched by your love.”
[puts shirt back on, audience begins cheering in unison: WE LOVE YOU, MICHAEL! WE LOVE YOU, MICHAEL!]
MJ: “I love you more.” (laughs and points at his father) “Don’t say anything!"
“It just happens!”
(turns back to the audience) “It’s true though, I love you more. I want you to know that I appreciate my fans very much, not just on occasions like this, but every day of my life it is your presence – your faith – your loyalty – that has given me great strength during difficult times.”
[audience cheers wildly, too loud for him to continue]
MJ: “I love you!”
“And it’s true, it was you who inspired me to work hard…and to deliver. I owe you!”
“Over the years, we became a family, all of us. You are my family; all the contries that we travel to and all the states, and shows we do, all those people. My children are your children!”
“All the children of the world are our children and our responsibility.”
“This is the time that a person reflects on the child that will always live inside them. More, more importantly, a grown man that continues to emerge intellectually, but never lost his childlike innocence. A lot of what you’ll be seeing from me in the future, will celebrate the imagination…”
[audience member shouts: OF ME AND YOU, MIKE!!!]
[Michael completely loses it in embarrassment and turns around.]
[The camera-person zeroes in on his butt when he does this.] Poor guy can’t catch a break! XD
MJ: “Youthful! Of youthful imagination! That has always been a part of me. That’s who I am! Adult perspective of a father, an artist, and a member of our community – my birthday wish, (repeats with emphasis) my birthday wish, is that YOU would join me in some new undertakings.”
“And that is that we all travel into a bright future together.”
[audience cheers wildly: I LOVE YOU MICHAEL!!!]
MJ: “I look forward to looking toward the future with great optimism. I really do. I have assembled a fresh team of good-hearted, loyal members with true team spirit. And they have you, the fans, on the top of their list. If you give them some time, you’ll see. Here’s what you’ll see: A new official website, A variety of official merchandise…”
MJJSOURCE.COM was the site - I paid them $$!
[audience starts chanting: SONY SUCKS!! SONY SUCKS!!]
MJ: “I have something to say about that. I’ll tell in a second.”
“There is going to be a new Michael Jackson clothing line.”
[audience is frantic!]
MJ: “Resort. Hotels.”
“A fan communication center, but you know what? A real fan communication center, but some wonderful surprises also and…I don’t want to give away everything, but I want you to know, that we promise to make Neverland more accessible to the fans…”
[the audience totally loses it again]
MJ: (laughs at their glee) (geez, he really does look like Peter Pan to me here) “I would love to see you come more. So, we’ll work something out so that we can stay in touch. We also want your input, communication.”
“I’d like to thank you for assisting me for bringing justice to Tommy Mattolla!! This is not a good man! He’s a racist! And he used a lot of other people’s careers to destroy other people’s careers! I won’t name names, but Sony FIRED HIM! It was YOU, it was YOU who put your heart on the line. It was YOU who stepped forward to defend someone that you loved.”
“It was YOU on a worldwide basis, who supported me as my army, my soldiers of love.” <3
“People used to ask me, like, you always talk about ‘Heal the World’, why do you need all these soldiers on the stage?’ I said, ‘They’re soldiers of love.’”
You were always there, you were always loyal, and I love you forever for this. I really do.”
[audience chants: WE LOVE YOU! WE LOVE YOU! WE LOVE YOU!]
http://mjfans.livejournal.com/71178.html
thank you MJonmind for the article"it is so hoaxy!those words of worldwide cooperation and communication, soldiers of love,etc....I just love it! we are experiencing his words right now! :ghsdf: