Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators

Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: annieareyouokannie on September 26, 2012, 06:06:02 AM

Title: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: annieareyouokannie on September 26, 2012, 06:06:02 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvxpAUOflfQ&feature=share
Please let me know what you all make of this!
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: diggyon on September 26, 2012, 06:12:21 AM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvxpAUOflfQ&feature=share[/youtube]

Here it is :)

Wow, that was unbelievable! Never thought that the back cover is a totally now photo. A photo shoot seems to have taken place, no doubt. So it's either an impersonator or Michael himself. Anyway,  :th_bravo: Mr. Jackson. That was an awesome clue, but still, some would think it might be an impersonator!
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: annieareyouokannie on September 26, 2012, 06:32:27 AM
Why does it say its private, I just watched it on you tube!!!!
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: annieareyouokannie on September 26, 2012, 06:37:32 AM
OMG its private now on you tube. Well on the back of the dvd there is a guy wearing a RTL Cap on the bottom of the photo to the right of Michael. On the original pic, he is not there. If someone can find this pic and post it next to the one on the back cover of the dvd would be much appreciated. RTL was the makers of the coroner van re enactment!!!!
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: diggyon on September 26, 2012, 07:01:44 AM
Information released too soon may be :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: annieareyouokannie on September 26, 2012, 07:21:16 AM
I was thinking more along the lines of the guy in the cap was photoshopped onto the pic, as he is
not in the original pic.
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: MaryK on September 26, 2012, 07:42:19 AM
So I made a quick pic comparison with the original pic and the back of my BAD25.
Forgive my crappy work on the montage, I was doing it fast  :icon_lol:

The guy wears a RTL shirt.

Left: Back of BAD25 Right: Original pic


(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/bad25cover.jpg)
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: BeTheChange on September 26, 2012, 07:45:50 AM
Great catch...it does look like the RTL cap was photoshopped in to the BAD25 cover.

The original pic is somewhat cut-off at the guy's elbow (the one holding the cam)...but still, in the BAD25 version, the top of the RTL cap extends well above the guy's elbow...so even just the top part should be visible if it was in the original pic.   

Interesting indeed.

With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: MaryK on September 26, 2012, 07:48:01 AM
I don´t think it´s a cap. I think it´s a person in a RTL shirt, head not really clearly visible
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: BeTheChange on September 26, 2012, 07:52:44 AM
@Mary...yup, you're right...I just pulled out my BAD25 DVD to take a better look.  The back of the head is somewhat visible on the actual cover.

Strange pic...I wonder what other goodies are sprinkled in BAD25 lol

With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: MaryK on September 26, 2012, 08:00:13 AM
Did anyone see that RTL guy in the Wembley vid?

I haven´t watched it yet...
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: SimPattyK on September 26, 2012, 08:25:18 AM
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So I made a quick pic comparison with the original pic and the back of my BAD25.
Forgive my crappy work on the montage, I was doing it fast  :icon_lol:

The guy wears a RTL shirt.

Left: Back of BAD25 Right: Original pic


(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/bad25cover.jpg)

Interesting. Though I am not able to see the video.


I've been thinking... and it's possible that the person who was taking photos from behind Michael, took several shots one after another. You know those kind of profi cameras that can take a number of quick shots per minute.

Maybe what we have here are in fact 2 separate photos taken at a few seconds distance in time, that's why they look as if it's just one photo.
Probably the "original pic" was taken first, while the RTL-guy was leaning or in a position that made him not visible in this 1st shot.
Then in the next shot, taken few seconds later, he just stood up or moved in such a way that he can be seen in this other photo on the back of the BAD25 album.
It would be interesting to find out other differences between the 2 pics! If we can find the differences, then it's clear that there are 2 separate pics of the same instant.
If we cannot find other differences and the photos are identical except for the RTL detail, then it's possible that the RTL-pic was photoshopped, most probably for hoax purpose, because otherwise I can't see why they would place a photoshopped pic on that DVD.
So we need someone with a good eye to spot any differences or ... maybe the RTL-guy shows up in the actual film on the DVD?
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: MaryK on September 26, 2012, 08:29:41 AM
True what you say Sim!

In the original pic the second security guy with the reflective jacket is missing.

But I wonder: for how long did Michael remain in that pose? Enough time for the security guy to move out of the pic and the RTL guy to move into the pic?

Or is it just a slight difference in perspective, field of view?

I am not sure.

But then again: position of the arms of the people in the audience seem to be exactly the same in both pics.

Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: 17AdMiBa on September 26, 2012, 08:50:59 AM
no offence guys but you are looking into this way too much

its clear that its the exact same picture, its just that the original one is cropped. if you look at where the top of the RTL shirt is on bad 25, you can see that its just in line with the forearm of the cameraman. that is where the bottom of the original photo cuts off.

IOW, the rtl guy was there in both pictures, which was obviously of larger size including more detail, and in the original picture they cut it just above the RTL shirt, whereas in the bad 25 picture they have left it undoctored.

again, there is nothing suspicious here
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: 17AdMiBa on September 26, 2012, 08:54:16 AM
just realised a better way to explain, look at where the buckles of michaels trousers go horizontal in the bad 25 picture, that is the bottom of the original image. the rtl shirt is below this line. that shows that it was in the original pic but just below where they cut it off.
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: flory24 on September 26, 2012, 09:06:34 AM
the RTL-guy doesn`t shows up in the actual film on the DVD.
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: diggyon on September 26, 2012, 09:38:52 AM
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True what you say Sim!

In the original pic the second security guy with the reflective jacket is missing.

But I wonder: for how long did Michael remain in that pose? Enough time for the security guy to move out of the pic and the RTL guy to move into the pic?

Or is it just a slight difference in perspective, field of view?

I am not sure.

But then again: position of the arms of the people in the audience seem to be exactly the same in both pics.

I totally agree, MaryK. Arm positions are the same. As I always say> Photoshop can do miracles. I even call it "Photoshop, the Great"  :LolLolLolLol:
But may be we should take this one step further. What is the purpose for two pics with such a difference?
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: Andrea on September 26, 2012, 09:45:48 AM
Whether the guy was there or if he was photoshopped in, what I find interesting is that apart from MJ and the cameraman, the only other distinct person in the pic is the RTL guy.
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: MaryK on September 26, 2012, 09:55:50 AM
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True what you say Sim!

In the original pic the second security guy with the reflective jacket is missing.

But I wonder: for how long did Michael remain in that pose? Enough time for the security guy to move out of the pic and the RTL guy to move into the pic?

Or is it just a slight difference in perspective, field of view?

I am not sure.

But then again: position of the arms of the people in the audience seem to be exactly the same in both pics.

I totally agree, MaryK. Arm positions are the same. As I always say> Photoshop can do miracles. I even call it "Photoshop, the Great"  :LolLolLolLol:
But may be we should take this one step further. What is the purpose for two pics with such a difference?

Actually, after I looked at it again, I agree with 17AdMiBa.

Might just be a different field of view.

I wrote an email to RTL, asking them if they were on site at Wembley and if so, if there was any report or footage of that.

I received the following answer:

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Hallo,

vielen Dank für Ihre E-Mail.

Aus Gründen der Aktualität wird unser Programm- und Nachrichtenarchiv regelmäßig überarbeitet, so dass Informationen zu Sendungen, die oftmals mehrere Jahre zurückliegen, nicht mehr abrufbar sind. Auch sind Sendungen aus unserem Sendearchiv nicht für Zuschauer erhältlich.

Wir bedauern, Ihnen nicht mehr weiterhelfen zu können, wünschen Ihnen jedoch auch in Zukunft gute Unterhaltung mit dem Programm von RTL.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen aus Köln


Robert Fey
Redakteur
Zuschauerservice

RTL Television GmbH
D- 50570 Köln
Homepage: www.rtl.de/zuschauerservice


Translation:

Hello,

thank you for your email.

For reasons of currentness our program and news archive is being revised on a regular basis, so that informations to broadcasts, often from years ago, are no longer retrievable.
Also broadcasts from our archive are not available for viewers.
We regret that we have not been able to help you anymore but we wish you good entertainment with the program of RTL in the future.

With sincere regards from Köln

 :LolLolLolLol:

Of course....
I expected something like that  :icon_e_wink:  :icon_lol:

And Andrea, I also agree with you!


Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: susieMJ on September 26, 2012, 10:09:38 AM
 IMO the only logical explanation of why the RTL guy isn't there on the original pic, is that when the photo was taken they didn't want to make an advertisement for RTL so they cut the guy off... what have changed then to re-put he guy in the photo now? Well...maybe RTL is one of the album/hoax sponsors which is quite possible with the whole van video...?
Anyway, the story is quite weird and I rly have the impession that we've seen this pattern of adding things without any specific reason many times before (different lyrics for Will you be there during the memorial etc...). So I guess it's just an other wink from MJ to let us know that he's watching lol :)
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: diggyon on September 26, 2012, 10:29:40 AM
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IMO the only logical explanation of why the RTL guy isn't there on the original pic, is that when the photo was taken they didn't want to make an advertisement for RTL so they cut the guy off... what have changed then to re-put he guy in the photo now? Well...maybe RTL is one of the album/hoax sponsors which is quite possible with the whole van video...?
Anyway, the story is quite weird and I rly have the impession that we've seen this pattern of adding things without any specific reason many times before (different lyrics for Will you be there during the memorial etc...). So I guess it's just an other wink from MJ to let us know that he's watching lol :)

Makes sense to me! So may be we should keep an eye on RTL for the coming future! The plot thickens!!!
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: Truth_or_Dare on September 26, 2012, 10:52:53 AM
To me the photo on the right seems photoshopped; it doe shave some effects to it. Maybe they took him out initially cause he stands out, and now they just posted the original photo.
It's interesting to watch the video footage to look for him.

Also, wasn;t RTL the ones who claimed they did the fake Coroners' van film back in 2009?
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: flory24 on September 26, 2012, 11:09:09 AM
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It's interesting to watch the video footage to look for him.

the RTL-guy doesn`t shows up in the whole Wembley concert..i was looking twice at that DVD...and that guy isn`t there...
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: ellyd on September 26, 2012, 11:31:08 AM
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RTL, première radio de France, est partenaire de BAD 25.
http://mjdatabank.com/mjjnews/wordpress/2012/08/20/rtl-partenaire-de-bad-25/ (http://mjdatabank.com/mjjnews/wordpress/2012/08/20/rtl-partenaire-de-bad-25/)

"RTL, first radio of France, is partner of BAD 25."

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RTL, partenaire de la réédition de cet album
http://www.rtl.fr/actualites/culture-loisirs/musique/article/exclusivite-rtl-decouvrez-des-extraits-video-du-live-de-michael-jackson-a-wembley-en-1988-7752258760 (http://www.rtl.fr/actualites/culture-loisirs/musique/article/exclusivite-rtl-decouvrez-des-extraits-video-du-live-de-michael-jackson-a-wembley-en-1988-7752258760)

"RTL, partner of the re-edition of this album"


Price Of Fame (RTL Version)
http://soundcloud.com/pipopcablog/mjpof (http://soundcloud.com/pipopcablog/mjpof)



They might want to have some (subtle) marketing gain from it.
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: BeTheChange on September 26, 2012, 12:33:40 PM
I don't know much about RTL...so this may be nothing but I just did a quick search on them and found this on Wiki:

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The RTL Group started in 1931 as CLR or Compagnie Luxembourgeoise de Radiodiffusion which operated Radio Luxembourg. CLR was one of 23 founding broadcasting organisations of the European Broadcasting Union in 1950. The RTL Group is still an EBU-member under a previous name: CLT Multi Media. In 1954 it was renamed CLT or Compagnie Luxembourgeoise de Télédiffusion and started television broadcasts. In 1997 it merged with Hamburg-based UFA Film- und Fernseh-GmbH (not to be confused with pre 1945 UFA) to create CLT-UFA. In 2000 it merged with Pearson TV and became RTL Group, which also allowed it to enter the American broadcast market. As of December 2011, Bertelsmann owns 92.3% of the company.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTL_Group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTL_Group)

Along the righthand-side of Wiki, it also states that the division known as 'RTL' was founded in 2000.  If true (i.e. if prior to 2000, it was not known as or 'marketed' as RTL), then that raises some questions as to how/why it's in the Wembley DVD pic lol.  Does anyone know more about RTL's history and/or if any 'RTL' logos were present prior to the year 2000?  Or perhaps this is a different RTL?  :icon_e_confused:

With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: diggyon on September 26, 2012, 12:46:39 PM
All i know about RTL is that it's broadcated in German language. There is also RTL Switzerland that is broadcasted in swiss German. Among RTL channels there  is also RTL2 and Super RTL, a kid's channel that is a cooperation with Disney channel! I don't know more!
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: BeTheChange on September 26, 2012, 01:01:20 PM
@Digg...LOL, ya I don't know more either, unfortunately.  Perhaps there's nothing 'odd' about it at all...and I probably won't be spending much time trying to figure it out lol.  I will, however, keep an eye out for RTL guy next time I'm watching the concert...which may be later tonight  :icon_razz:

With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: ellyd on September 26, 2012, 02:10:14 PM
RTL claimed to have been producer of the infamous "fake van video".
Big mama of RTL is Bertelsmann who own in addition print media like Random House and Gruner & Jahr.

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On October 1, 2008 Bertelsmann completed the sale of its 50 % stake in Sony BMG to Sony Corporation of America. Sony has since renamed its now wholly owned music business to Sony Music Entertainment. These two divestitures marked the end of the Bertelsmann Music Group division and the selected assets that Bertelsmann decided to retain from these sell-offs will be the basis of a forthcoming BMG branded division, BMG Rights Management, which will focus on building, managing and marketing artist rights.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertelsmann (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertelsmann)

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Bertelsmann Music Group, (BMG), was a division of Bertelsmann before its completion of sale of the majority of its assets to Japan's Sony Corporation of America on October 1, 2008.

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The basis of the company was formed through BMG's decision to withhold selected European music catalogues from the former Sony BMG joint venture and the BMG Publishing businesses.

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Rolf Schmidt-Holtz, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Chief Creative Officer and Member of the Management Board of Bertelsmann AG
Quote
Clive Davis, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, BMG North America CEO
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertelsmann_Music_Group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertelsmann_Music_Group)

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Mr. Schmidt-Holtz became Chairman of the Management Board of the Bertelsmann Music Group (BMG). After its merger with Sony Music in 2003, he first became the Chairman, and from 2006 on, Chief Executive Officer at Sony BMG. Mr. Schmidt-Holtz serves as a Member of the Executive Board of Ariola Eurodisc, Inc., Arista Records, Inc., Bertelsmann Music Group,Inc., Bertelsmann TJS, Inc., BMG Australia Limited, BMG J LLC, BMG Music, BMG New Zealand Limited, BMG Songs, Inc., BMG Special Products,Inc., Careers-BMG Music Publishing, Inc., RTL Group S.A.,
http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=690993&privcapId=519888&previousCapId=519888&previousTitle=Bertelsmann%20AG (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=690993&privcapId=519888&previousCapId=519888&previousTitle=Bertelsmann%20AG)

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Universal Music Publishing Group (UMPG) is a music publishing company and is part of the Universal Music Group.

UMPG owns or administers more than 1 million copyrights. They are one of the largest music publishing businesses in the world with more than 47 offices in 41 countries. In 2006, Universal Music Publishing Group acquired BMG Music Publishing for €1.63 billion, the third largest publishing group, making Universal Music the largest music publisher in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Music_Publishing_Group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Music_Publishing_Group)
--> making UMPG the #1 publishing group (Sony / ATV being #2 after EMI catalogue deal)
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: Sarahli on September 26, 2012, 02:23:17 PM
On their website it says that the name RTL was created in 1966:

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1966
Radio Luxembourg is rebranded RTL.
http://www.rtlgroup.com/www/htm/AboutUs_History.aspx
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: MJonmind on September 26, 2012, 03:52:21 PM
Clive Davis (Whitney Houston connection again) and Sony music. :errrr: :icon_e_confused:

Also, remember TMZ’s many ‘What’s the difference’ photo shots, comparison between 2 almost identical pics? This is just like it—a game for us to play perhaps.

In this video RTL refers to MJ as Jacko.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gI-kuTwJQM
MJ seems upset.  Mary, what do you hear there? Thanks.

Brings us always back to --are 'they' friend or foe to Michael, and is MJ in charge of this hoax.


Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: blankie on September 26, 2012, 03:52:48 PM
I can not see the video  :icon_e_sad:

But...why  a photoshopped photo ?   :confused: :suspect:
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: wishingstar on September 26, 2012, 04:45:14 PM
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So I made a quick pic comparison with the original pic and the back of my BAD25.
Forgive my crappy work on the montage, I was doing it fast  :icon_lol:

The guy wears a RTL shirt.

Left: Back of BAD25 Right: Original pic


(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/bad25cover.jpg)

I must be missing something here (been known to happen, lol)
OK......I understand all the great connections so far (awesome info BTW)......
but are these the two pictures in question still?  The picture on the right seems more like
a painting or drawing to me.......was this shopped at all or painted over......
the lines are blurred, the lighting/highlights are softer.  The left one I see the the RTL dude. 

Perhaps it's just my eyes gone buggy........thanks for the post Mary, just trying to understand
it all.  I don't have BAD25...yet ;)

Thanks for any help or direction to look......sorry for being a little confused. 

Blessings!
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: SimPattyK on September 26, 2012, 07:06:53 PM
i still think that there are 2 different pics taken very quickly one after another, that's why Michael didn't even have the time to move, like pretty much all the people in it... except very few, amongst which this RTL guy.
Plus it's very difficult to really analyze the photos in detail, since they're not in a very good quality/resolution.


Also, I wrote MjHoaxEvidence a PM on youtube asking her why the video wasn't visible.
This is the answer (I paste it here only because she/he sent it to all the subscribers, therefore it's intended to be read by other people, it's not really a private message):

"I sent out a bulletin to all subscribers apologizing for it.
The contents of it is proven false. I will try to do more research and hopefully soon I will post another video.

Sincere Apologies,
MJHE"
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: BeTheChange on September 26, 2012, 07:32:08 PM
@Sarahli and Sim...thanks for the info!


With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: voiceforthesilent on September 26, 2012, 10:19:12 PM
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i still think that there are 2 different pics taken very quickly one after another, that's why Michael didn't even have the time to move, like pretty much all the people in it... except very few, amongst which this RTL guy.
Plus it's very difficult to really analyze the photos in detail, since they're not in a very good quality/resolution.


Also, I wrote MjHoaxEvidence a PM on youtube asking her why the video wasn't visible.
This is the answer (I paste it here only because she/he sent it to all the subscribers, therefore it's intended to be read by other people, it's not really a private message):

"I sent out a bulletin to all subscribers apologizing for it.
The contents of it is proven false. I will try to do more research and hopefully soon I will post another video.

Sincere Apologies,
MJHE"


Thank you to everyone who contributed. Can I ask what was proven false? Was it the RTL cap?

I find it odd that there are two pictures and that RTL once again shows back up in the picture after such a long silence. Why didn't they just use the original picture?

Blessings
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: MaryK on September 27, 2012, 01:15:27 AM
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Clive Davis (Whitney Houston connection again) and Sony music. :errrr: :icon_e_confused:

Also, remember TMZ’s many ‘What’s the difference’ photo shots, comparison between 2 almost identical pics? This is just like it—a game for us to play perhaps.

In this video RTL refers to MJ as Jacko.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gI-kuTwJQM
MJ seems upset.  Mary, what do you hear there? Thanks.

Brings us always back to --are 'they' friend or foe to Michael, and is MJ in charge of this hoax.

I will add a translation here later when I get back home.

Have a job interview this morning and will be back after that  :bearhug:
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: curls on September 27, 2012, 02:10:21 AM
LOL - this reminds me of endless hours with the ambulance photos! Where's TS when you need him!!

I can see several differences in the backgrounds of these two pics which I can't explain by simply squaring off the pic in a different place. It's as if it's been cut at an angle, but not the same angle all the way around. Look at the light coloured vertical strip on the roofline to the left of the Bad25 pic, and the amount of curved roofline on the right. Get a piece of paper and see what you can or can't cut off!  If you cut off RTL guy then the photographer's arm isn't long enough. I could go on with random dots (I don't think they are all specks on my computer screen!)

Yet MJ and those shafts of light are exactly the same in both (yes, I counted the studs and studied the wrinkles and creases in his shirt and trousers!) so I can't explain it by same time/slightly different angle.

I can't agree with the 2 pics being taken at a split second difference in time either - fans frantically waving - their arms exactly the same, yet time for RTL guy and one of the security guys with reflective strip (if that's what they are) to pop in or out of shot? No way!

And that right hand reflective strip should be in both pics - that, to me, is harder to explain away than the RTL guy.

Oh, is the 'original' pic from the original Bad artwork of 1987?  What scope was there then for 'modifying' photos?

What fun!
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: MaryK on September 27, 2012, 02:40:09 AM
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Clive Davis (Whitney Houston connection again) and Sony music. :errrr: :icon_e_confused:

Also, remember TMZ’s many ‘What’s the difference’ photo shots, comparison between 2 almost identical pics? This is just like it—a game for us to play perhaps.

In this video RTL refers to MJ as Jacko.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gI-kuTwJQM
MJ seems upset.  Mary, what do you hear there? Thanks.

Brings us always back to --are 'they' friend or foe to Michael, and is MJ in charge of this hoax.

I will add a translation here later when I get back home.

Have a job interview this morning and will be back after that  :bearhug:

I decided to finish the translation before leaving. So here goes:

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During a video shoot, the attempt to record a commercial.

New York, this weekend, the same facial expression, tired, absent-minded, hardly noticing the screaming fans. The King of Pop, like a zombie. Supported by Elizabeth Taylor he whispers a few barely understandable words into the microphones.

"I feel very honored that the world honors my art, really very honored."

Michael Jackson down and out? The sad downfall of a mega-star? Christian Marx, Jacko´s biographer , was shocked by the appearance too.

"I really do think that he is at the end of his strenght, which is no surprise. This concert has been the pinnacle for him, it has been his first performance in the US in many years."

But even long before the concert Jacko appeared to be groggy.

Ravaged by his many facial surgeries. He still seems to be in great pain.
His mask-like outward appearance hardly allows any movement.

Friends report that Michael has problems in following conversations, talking is often a torture for him.

(Michael getting up, heading towards the door "Thank you")

With these words he abruptly breaks off the video shoot.
He got through the concert in New York, he had no choice.

But everyone who has seen these pictures is wondering if this hasn´t already been the last public appearance of Michael Jackson.
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: bugsy on September 27, 2012, 02:54:56 AM
The pictures are hard to compare because one is on a angle.. but the raised out arm seems to be in a slightly different position, in one photo you can't see the camera persons elbow, but going on those photos I tried aligning and it can't be aligned to the same level like his finger tips, top of the ear, belt buckle. it's all slightly different by a fraction but that could just be the angle that the bad25 one is.. I can't make one single pin point the same as the other picture with out all the others being misaligned so i think Sim could be right, two consecutive photo's if RTL guy was walking quickly enough the one where he isn't in it.. he could be just a step or two back and by the time the second quick shot was taken he was within photo shot range.
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: voiceforthesilent on September 27, 2012, 09:46:15 AM
RK - thank you for translating the words. If pictures speak a thousand words than Michael's actions said it all. He wasn't happy with what was going on around him. But do the words explain fully why Michael would get up and leave? Something else must have happened.

Blessings
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: diggyon on September 27, 2012, 10:21:26 AM
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RK - thank you for translating the words. If pictures speak a thousand words than Michael's actions said it all. He wasn't happy with what was going on around him. But do the words explain fully why Michael would get up and leave? Something else must have happened.

Blessings

I thought it was MaryK who translated it. I really don't like the video. It's too negative. Showing Michael incapable of speaking and not aware of screaming fans, always in pain and describing him as a Zombie is very offensive. The word Jacko was used a couple of times. If I were Michael I would have sued them. This is not a way to describe people at all. The video is not explaining why Michael suddenly decided to end the interview. The reason mentioned in the video is that talking was a torture for him due to the pain he had from the many facial surgeries. Again, another lie. But this is what we should expect from the media. Facts are twisted and turned. Why were they doing this to him? It's not fair!
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: MJonmind on September 27, 2012, 03:18:50 PM
Mary, I hope your interview went well and you get the job.  Thanks for translating!  How RTL twisted everything to do with Michael, even saying he just barely managed the New York performance of 2001. We've all watched it and he was fantastic! No wonder Back/Front have such disdain for the media who were out to destroy his image.  How I wish for justice for MJ, and Front has promised it is coming.

About the pics I don't think they're a split second apart (way too much hyper movement happening everywhere). I think perhaps the pic has been stretched/warped in some way so that nothing lines up like Leilani81 says.  But the insert of RTL seems deliberate, why who knows.
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: MaryK on September 27, 2012, 03:35:35 PM
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Mary, I hope your interview went well and you get the job.  Thanks for translating!  How RTL twisted everything to do with Michael, even saying he just barely managed the New York performance of 2001. We've all watched it and he was fantastic! No wonder Back/Front have such disdain for the media who were out to destroy his image.  How I wish for justice for MJ, and Front has promised it is coming.

About the pics I don't think they're a split second apart (way too much hyper movement happening everywhere). I think perhaps the pic has been stretched/warped in some way so that nothing lines up like Leilani81 says.  But the insert of RTL seems deliberate, why who knows.

Thank you so much MJonmind. Interview went well but I´ll have to meet the general manager in 3 weeks before they will decide. After that interview today I don´t even know if I want that job at all  :icon_e_wink:  :icon_lol:

Back to topic:

I read today (on FB) that the maker of the video about the BAD25 pic withdrew the vid because the information/conjecture on which she had based the vid had turned out to be false.
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: voiceforthesilent on September 27, 2012, 11:38:53 PM
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RK - thank you for translating the words. If pictures speak a thousand words than Michael's actions said it all. He wasn't happy with what was going on around him. But do the words explain fully why Michael would get up and leave? Something else must have happened.

Blessings

I thought it was MaryK who translated it. I really don't like the video. It's too negative. Showing Michael incapable of speaking and not aware of screaming fans, always in pain and describing him as a Zombie is very offensive. The word Jacko was used a couple of times. If I were Michael I would have sued them. This is not a way to describe people at all. The video is not explaining why Michael suddenly decided to end the interview. The reason mentioned in the video is that talking was a torture for him due to the pain he had from the many facial surgeries. Again, another lie. But this is what we should expect from the media. Facts are twisted and turned. Why were they doing this to him? It's not fair!

Yes, you are right. Thank you MaryK!

I suppose that unless you see the video it's hard to understand (at least for me) what was based on false information. But it must have had something to do with the RTL clothing item and the missing security guard.

What stands out to me (nothing new to any of you) is that the two pictures look very close except that they aren't. And I don't think this was a mistake at all. If one isn't paying attention or isn't highly aware of MJ's life they wouldn't even know that the picture was different.

Blessings
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: paula-c on September 28, 2012, 09:48:06 AM
The album Michael also had their differences, I have the photo on the left side.

(http://nsa30.casimages.com/img/2012/09/05//120905103651283395.jpg)
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: blankie on September 28, 2012, 04:43:31 PM
@  paula-c

              :suspect: :confused: really.... strange ....  :confused: :omg:
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: paula-c on September 28, 2012, 07:01:34 PM
MJ’S UNRELEASED SONGS: THE UNTOLD STORY

(http://truenewszone.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/teddy-r-notes.jpg?w=640&h=424)




































Warning: This blog has no special value, ’cause it doesn’t contain neither revelations, nor clues, nor even really factual information — it’s based upon unreliable sources like TNZ’ intuition, Wikipedia and alleged titles of some unreleased tracks of Mr. Jackson. Most of you probably won’t find this interesting or informative, but TNZ sticks to the idea that in order to get true understanding one should listen not only to what’s being said, but also to what’s left unsaid. Reading the list of MJ’s unreleased material (even if this is half true), we can visualize and feel — at least to try to — what was on his mind and heart a few last years…
This is not even reading between the lines, but rather picking up the crumbs of information dropped by a storyteller. But don’t doubt, even unsung songs may tell a story… Whether you are able to hear it or not — depends on you.
‘Rest in Peace Mr. Miyagi, I’m the karate kid.
Hah,  did you read between the lines?
Only time will tell, and in the meantime… ’
/O-Bee









2001
‘She Was Lovin’ Me’
(Michael Jackson, Teddy Riley, Mark C. Rooney)
‘Seeing Voices’
Sidney Fine, Michael Jackson, Ray Charles Choir
‘House Of Style’
Michael Jackson, Teddy Riley, Tyrese, Andre Harris
‘Shout’
Michael Jackson, Teddy Riley
‘Get Your Weight Off Me’
Michael Jackson
‘Get Around’
Michael Jackson, Rodney Jerkins, Fred Jerkins, La Shawn Daniels
‘I Don’t Live Here Anymore’
Michael Jackson.
Written in 2001. Failed to make the Invincible album
‘I Am A Loser’
Michael Jackson.
Written and recorded in 2001.Failed to make the Invincible album. 3 snippet know to exist.
‘You Are A Liar’
/Also known as “You’re a Liar” and “You’re a Liar, Brother”/
Michael Jackson.
Failed to make the Invincible album. Intended to be on the 2003 album but was cancelled
‘You Think You Know Me’
Michael Jackson.
Written and recorded in 2001.
‘Maybe We Can Do It’
Michael Jackson, P.Diddy, Rodney Jerkins
‘Make Or Break’
Michael Jackson, Teddy Riley
‘New Attitudes’
Michael Jackson
‘Revolution’
Michael Jackson.
Written in 2001
‘Escape’
Michael Jackson
Recorded during the Invincible recording sessions.
Also known as “Xscape” or “Xcape”. Intended to be on the upcoming album in 2003
2002
‘I Am Forever’
Michael Jackson, Paul Anka
Written in 2002 and around 2006, It’s a demo version of “Best of Joy”
‘Crush’
Michael Jackson, Lenny Kravitz
2003
‘Trash’
Michael Jackson, Irv Gotti
‘The Pain’
Michael Jackson, Rodney Jerkins, Harvey Jay Mason, Shawn Stockman
‘Pressure’
Michael Jackson, Rodney Jerkins, La Shawn Daniels, Fred Jerkins III, Harvey Jay Mason
‘Force’
‘Michael Jackson, Irv Gotti, Ashanti, Ja Rule
‘Still Got It’
Michael Jackson
‘Visions’
Michael Jackson
Written and recorded in 2003 for an album but was never released.
‘Maybe Tomorrow’
Michael Jackson. Written and recorded in 2003. Supposed to be on the 2003 album titled Resurrection but the album was cancelled.
‘We Be Ballin’
Michael Jackson, Shaquille O’Neal, Raz-B, Ice Cube.
‘Resurrection’
Michael Jackson.
Written and recorded in 2003. Had been intended for an album Jackson had been working on in 2003, but the album was never released but cancelled due to Michael Jackson’s child sex abuse allegations. The album was possibly a 2 discs album.
‘Halloween Night’
Michael Jackson
Have a solo guitar performed by Slash.
‘Trust In My Heart’
Michael Jackson
2004
‘Dead Or Alive’
Michael Jackson
‘What About Me’
Michael Jackson
‘We’ve Had Enough’
Michael Jackson, Rodney Jerkins, Fred Jerkins, L. Daniels, Carole Bayer Sager.
‘I Love You’
Michael Jackson
Written and recorded in 2004, According to Jackson, it’s the best song about love.
‘Breaking’
Michael Jackson
‘Healing My Feelings’
Michael Jackson
 ‘Light This Way’
Michael Jackson.
2005
‘From the Bottom of My Heart’
Michael Jackson
Written in 2005. Was scheduled to be released as a charity recording for the victims of Hurricane Katrina.
‘You Are So Beautiful’
Michael Jackson
Song MJ began writing during his 2005 trial, as a thank you to his fans for their ongoing support.
2006
‘Trial Of The Century’
Unknown.
Written and possibly recorded in 2006 with a number of rappers, such as 50 Cent, Lucy Diamonds and DJ Whoo Kid.
‘I’m Still the King’
Michael Jackson, will.iam/
One of the songs Jackson worked on with Will.I.Am in 2006. Failed to make the Michael album
‘Break the Rules’
/Also known as “All for You”/
Michael Jackson
Written and recorded in 2006. Possibly recorded with will.i.am
‘D.I.E’
Michael Jackson.
‘’If You Don’t Get It’
John Legend
Written and recorded in 2006. Possibly with will.i.am
‘Think Twice’
Michael Jackson
Written in 2006
‘The Future’
/Also known as “In the Future”/
Michael Jackson
Written in 2006. Worked on with will.i.am
‘This’ll Make You Cry’
Michael Jackson
Written and recorded in 2006
2007
‘Days Of The Broken Hearted ‘
Michael Jackson
Written and recorded by Jackson featuring Whitney Houston in 2007.
‘It’s All About You’
Michael Jackson. Bradley Buxer, LaShawn Daniels
Written and recorded in 2007
 ’All Right’
Michael Jackson, Eddie Cascio, James Porte.
The song was reportedly recorded by Jackson in 2007 at the Cascios’ house.
Failed to make the Michael album
‘I Forgive You’
Michael Jackson
Written and recorded in 2007 with will.i.am
‘All I Need’
Michael Jackson, Eddie Cascio, James Porte
The song was reportedly recorded by Jackson in 2007 at the Cascios’ house.
Failed to make the Michael album
‘Dreams’
Michael Jackson, will.i.am.
Written and recorded in 2007
‘Fall In Love’
Michael Jackson, Eddie Cascio, James Porte
The song was reportedly recorded by Jackson in 2007 at the Cascios’ house.
Failed to make the Michael album
‘Exotic Dancer’
Michael Jackson, Eddie Cascio, James Porte
Written and recorded in 2004 possibly with Madonna
The track happens to be James Porte’s song
‘Black Widow’
Michael Jackson, Eddie Cascio, James Porte
The song was reportedly recorded by Jackson in 2007 at the Cascios’ house.
Failed to make the Michael album
‘Jungle’
Michael Jackson, Bradley Buxer, Michael Prince
Written and recorded in 2007
‘Soldier Boy’
Michael Jackson, Eddie Cascio, James Porte.
The song was reportedly recorded by Jackson in 2007 at the Cascios’ house.
Failed to make the Michael album. The song wasn’t completely finished.
‘Ready 2 Win’
Michael Jackson. Eddie Cascio, James Porte
The song was reportedly recorded by Jackson in 2007 at the Cascios’ house.
Failed to make the Michael album. Was re-titled ‘Winning’
‘Shine’
Duawne Starling, Eddie Cascio, James Porte
The song was reportedly recorded by Jackson in 2007 at the Cascios’ house.
 
2008
‘Casino Night’
Michael Jackson
Written and recorded in 2008 in Las Vegas
‘I Can See A Brighter Day’
Michael Jackson, Red One
Written and recorded in 2008. The only song that was finished with Red One.
 
2009
‘I Was A Loser’
Michael Jackson
Not to be confused with I Am A Loser. Written and recorded in 2009
‘Innocent Man’
Michael Jackson, Michael Durham Prince, Bradley Buxer
‘Silent Spring’
Michael Jackson, Michael Durham Prince, Theron Feemster III
‘Changes’
Michael Jackson, Michael Durham Prince, Bradley Buxer
‘Rocker’
Michael Jackson, Michael Durham Prince, Bradley Buxer
Written and recorded in 2009
‘Rock Tonight’
Michael Jackson, Michael Durham Prince, Bradley Buxer
Written and recorded in 2009
 ’11 P.M’
Michael Jackson, Michael Durham Prince, Bradley Buxer
‘Walk Away’
Michael Jackson, Michael Durham Prince, Bradley Buxer
Written and recorded in 2009
‘The Dark Lady’
Michael Jackson, Michael Durham Prince, Bradley Buxer
Written and recorded in 2009
‘Adore You’
Michael Jackson, Michael Durham Prince, Bradley Buxer
‘Baby’s On Fire’
Michael Jackson, Ryan D.
Also know as Baby’s Fire and Higher’s Baby’s Fire
‘Bang Your Head’
Michael Jackson, Theron Feemster III, Michael Durham Prince
‘Brad Loop 3.37’
Michael Jackson, Michael Durham Prince, Bradley Buxer)
Envolved into Brad Loop 100, and Brad Loop 3700
‘Butter Funk’
Michael Jackson, Bradley Buxer
‘Beatboy 2010’
Michael Jackson, Eric J. Kirkland, Michael Durham
‘Boy No’
Michael Jackson, Michael Durham Prince, Bradley Buxer
‘Don’t Make Me Stay’
Michael Jackson, Michael Durham Theron Feemster III
‘For The World’
Michael Jackson, Theron Feemster III
‘Green Hornet Groove’
Michael Jackson, Michael Durham Prince, Bradley Buxer
‘Lady Of Summer’
Michael Jackson, Michael Durham Prince, Theron Feemster III
‘H2O’
Michael Jackson, Michael Durham Prince, Theron Feemster III
‘Just Remember’
Michael Jackson, Michael Durham Prince, Bradley Buxer
‘Michael’s Affirmation’
Michael Jackson, Michael Durham Prince, Bradley Buxer
‘MJ/BB Orchestral’
Michael Jackson, Michael Durham Prince, Bradley Buxer
There are 3 versions of the song
‘Pajamas’
Michael Jackson, Michael Durham Prince, Bradley Buxer
‘Pictures’
Michael Jackson’
Recorded in 2009 With Lady Gaga. It Was to opening This Is It.
‘Light Man’
Michael Jackson
Intro for Michael Jackson’s This Is It Tour
‘River Ripple’
Michael Jackson
Jackson wanted to perform this ballad at final dates of the This Is It Tour with an African choir and his children.
‘Throwin’ Your Life Away’
Michael Jackson
Written in 1988. The song was finally completed in 2009.
‘Immorality’s my game
From Bliss I came
In Bliss I’m sustained
To Bliss I return
If you don’t know it now
It’s a shame
Are you listening?’



http://truenewszone.wordpress.com/2012/09/28/mjs-unreleased-songs-the-untold-story/
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: paula-c on September 28, 2012, 07:04:50 PM
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well, for a sick, drugged guy (*hic*) very prolific 4 month of 2009 :)


http://truenewszone.wordpress.com/2012/09/28/mjs-unreleased-songs-the-untold-story/
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: curls on September 29, 2012, 02:11:43 AM
@Paula, TNZ weren't the only ones looking at those unreleased songs yesterday  :suspect:

flory24 and I talked about them here:

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,23324.msg424870.html#msg424870

I've posted the TNZ link you gave on flory's thread too - hope that's ok with you.
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: SimPattyK on September 29, 2012, 02:29:45 AM
 Published on Sep 25, 2012 by MJHoaxEvidence - My sincere apologies for making this video private. I needed to do further research to make sure of what I believed to be true. Thank you for your patience. Watch Part 2 Here: http://youtu.be/UPHpqCTURXE
On September 18, 2012, BAD25 was released along with a supplementary DVD of Michael Jackson's live concert at Wembley Stadium. Have you noticed anything odd on the back of the DVD? Well, there is a man with an RTL shirt on. I have found an alternate picture of this same event and RTL was not in the other photo. Was MJ's DVD cover photoshopped? It seems to be that way. Please pay constant attention to this fast-paced short film showing the newest clues indicating that Michael Jackson is alive!

Bad 25 is the 25th anniversary edition reissue of American recording artist Michael Jackson's seventh studio album Bad. This is the second album by Jackson re-released on its 25th anniversary (the first being Thriller 25). In a press release by the Estate of Michael Jackson on May 3, 2012, the album, which sold between 30--45 million copies worldwide,[3][4][5] making it the fifth best selling album of all time, was re-released on September 18, 2012 with co-operation with Epic, Legacy Recordings and MJJ Productions.[1][6] Along with the original album, Bad 25 will contain unreleased demo recordings and a live CD and DVD of Jackson's performance at Wembley Stadium during his Bad World Tour, which was attended by Princess Diana and Prince Charles,

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvxpAUOflfQ&list=ULlvxpAUOflfQ[/youtube]




 Published on Sep 28, 2012 by MJHoaxEvidence - Part 1 is now public: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvxpAUOflfQ
Here are further explanations of the back cover of the new DVD "Michael Jackson Live at Wembley July 16, 1988". Where does it come from? Why is it there? Does it make any sense to use this photo when ALL of the footage comes from Wembley?
Links used: Article on Tour and Crew using RTL
http://mjsloveismagical.forumotion.com/t201-michael-jackson-world-tour-1988-c...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPHpqCTURXE&list=ULUPHpqCTURXE[/youtube]
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: MaryK on September 29, 2012, 04:02:04 AM
Here´s more....not opening a new thread for this, so I put it here.

Ticket reprint in the BAD 25 Deluxe Collectors Edition shows a ticket with the date THURSDAY July 16 1988.
July 16 1988 wasn´t a Thursday ( it was a Saturday), but June 25 2009 was....

(http://imageshack.us/a/img402/9264/badthursday.jpg)

Might be nothing but still...another strange thing  :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: diggyon on September 29, 2012, 04:08:32 AM
Thanks for posting the video Sim. I still don't get it. Why put the picture of the the France concert on the back of the cover instead??? Ok, RTL wants us to think that Michael is alive, no problem about that! But the pictue of the France concert doesn't make sense to me!
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: ellyd on September 29, 2012, 04:11:28 AM
Again another strong pointer to {London - Paris - Diana}.

Like the Cardiff tribute concert and these three.

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/55928000/jpg/_55928818_013117881-1.jpg)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-15227682 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-15227682)

July 18, 1988 was the day Michael met Diana.
Thursday is "Thor's day", god of thunder and lightning.
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: curls on September 29, 2012, 04:24:27 AM
Thanks for posting these vids Sim.

So basically it seems likely that they've used a promo pic, complete with RTL guy, from a Paris concert on this Wembley dvd.  I see no problem with that, they've also used pics from several venues, Hamburg, Nice, Liverpool, Parra stadium (Australia), Paris and London, on the inside of the dvd package. On the 'original' pic they edited out the RTL guy, (possibly because aesthetically it's actually a better pic without it?), but they've left him in for this latest cover.

^^ That's a hoax-less comment! (which ignores the fact that I still can't line up the 2 pics, there's distortion going on somewhere, but not with MJ so I think he was probably photoshopped onto the pic!)

Now if I was to look at this hoaxily ....... Paris (a nod to MJ's daughter) and RTL (a huge nudge to the amazingly brilliant coroner's van vid!)

Nice!
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on September 29, 2012, 09:13:24 AM
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Thanks for posting the video Sim. I still don't get it. Why put the picture of the the France concert on the back of the cover instead??? Ok, RTL wants us to think that Michael is alive, no problem about that! But the pictue of the France concert doesn't make sense to me!

@Diddyon....It's possible that Michael wanted to point out Lady Diana's place of death (Paris) on this Bad 25?

@MaryK....Wow very interesting point you found there, the day of the week is wrong just to highlight Michael's death day, I think this is a big clue no wonder + I think that RTL guy is another big clue, I AM SO HAPYYYYY!!!   :michael-jackson:
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: heaveninmyheart on September 29, 2012, 10:44:11 AM
I don't think the concert is ALL Wembley either. In a "Home Movies" episode MJ states quite clearly that he took Dirty Diana out in respect to Princess Di.

But it's in there!! So who's lying?

Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: flory24 on September 29, 2012, 11:38:16 AM
The audience is in Wembley, but not only from Wembley concert. It is more a compilation, then sold as Wembley. MJ Estate has made ​​it clear that they could not find full Wembley concert because it was available on VHS and Umatic banda and the sound was broken, so they took the pieces that were still full of VHS, have restored pulled live performances other concerts of the tour to ensure there's a full setlist and combined them with the public in Wembley. Sound, complete, not from Wembley. MJ Estate has told the press that the sound was broken, so I replaced him with benefits that fit best.

 I mean, for example, recording with him on stage at Dirty Diana, is actually concert in Paris (Michael said he did not sing Dirty Diana at Wembley since Princess Diana was invited to the concert and it was the lack of respect for it), combined with the public image of Wembley.  Lady Di told him that Dirty Diana was her favourite song   But you can not change the setlist one hour before the concert. A benefit rehearsal needs, the correct settings in the equalizer, wardrobe, etc.
 Plus the fact that this concert performance of Dirty Diana you find on YouTube, under the title Live In Paris, get waaaay long ago!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsPGn13ZEwA[/youtube]
the first 20 seconds the sounds is disturbing but after that is pretty good
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: heaveninmyheart on September 29, 2012, 01:06:41 PM
Oh right, where can I find that quote from the MJ Estate then because this is not what it says elsewhere.

Directly from michaeljackson.com:
“The concert is not a compilation of performances, but rather one complete show, exactly as Michael performed it for Prince Charles, Princess Diana and the 72,000 fans who were in the audience for that night’s sold out show.”

http://www.michaeljackson.com/uk/node/1272675


Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: flory24 on September 29, 2012, 02:18:11 PM
http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/node/1258846

"FROM: JOHN BRANCA and JOHN McCLAIN
DATE: MAY 31, 2012
RE: BAD 25 RELEASE

It is great to see the overwhelming support and excitement in the fan community for the upcoming BAD 25 release. A few questions have arisen regarding the Wembley concert DVD. Although the press release wasn’t the place for background details, here is more information:

• We know that Nocturne captured on Umatic tapes the footage projected onto the JumboTrons at the various concerts including Wembley. These tapes were turned over to Michael’s crew and we have confirmed with Patrick Kelly (who headed Michael’s film crew for the European tour) that everything from Europe was sent to LA to be put in Michael’s storage facilities. The same procedures were followed for the US shows.

• Unfortunately, record-keeping in the storage facilities was sporadic, at best, so we do not know what happened to a tape once it was sent for storage. In most cases, once a tape was pulled from the box it arrived in, it was not put back in the original box and where it wound up doesn’t always make sense. As a result, 25 years later not all of the Umatic tapes from the various shows can be located, notwithstanding that we have conducted an extensive survey of all of the storage facilities. So while we believe that the Umatic tape for Wembley was initially sent for storage, we have not been able to locate it. And with regard to the Umatic footage of other concerts, the audio is extremely problematic and therefore these concerts are unusable.

• We know that VHS copies of the Umatics were made when Michael wanted to view a particular concert, but because of the lack of record-keeping, we also didn’t know which concerts existed on VHS. We ultimately did find Michael’s personal VHS viewing copy of the Wembley show attended by Princess Diana and Prince Charles, but not the Umatic. Even finding this VHS felt like a miracle to us!

• So while we continued the search for the Wembley Umatic master, we also researched the audio recordings that existed from all of the concerts including Wembley. Fortunately, the Wembley audio recordings were made using a sound truck, and appear to be the only multi-track recordings from the tour. The other audio/visual recordings that exist, whether Umatic or VHS, are “front of house” mixes, and therefore there are no separate audio recordings that can be used to create a high quality listening experience. It is for this reason that the Wembley audio is the only one suitable to create a live album.

• If we were going to include a live concert DVD in the BAD 25 release package, we had only one choice, Wembley. And there were only two options for visual – the Umatics for a different show or the VHS for Wembley. It would certainly be less expensive for the Estate to be able to create a DVD from a Umatic tape than to spend the time and money to painstakingly restore/enhance the VHS footage, but then we would not be delivering a truly authentic experience and we truly believe that watching this concert with the high quality audio will create a magical experience for all the fans as it has for us. We ultimately chose a lab that has developed its own proprietary technology for doing this kind of work (including restoration for NASA of VHS footage) in order to make the visual experience the best it can be under the circumstances.

We also could have chosen to release the Japanese concert from the first leg of the tour as there is a master of that show; but that concert was essentially a reincarnation of the Victory Tour with only two songs – “Bad” and “I Just Can’t Stop Loving You” – added at the end. It isn’t what we believe the fans would want.

We could have elected not to release a DVD as part of the BAD 25 celebration (and hold out hope that someday we might find the Umatic of the Wembley concert) or we could share with the fans the chance to relive that magical night with pristine audio. We made the decision to go with the latter and provide the fans with the most authentic viewing experience. We believe that the fans will agree it was the right choice when the package is released in September."

Message ends here


The music video for the song "Another Part of Me" features footage from other concerts in Wembley as well as Paris.
In addition to the full July 16 concert, the DVD also includes "The Way You Make Me Feel", from the previous night on July 15 (the song was not performed on July 16 due to a late start of the show) and "I Just Can't Stop Loving You", and "Bad", from a 1987 Bad World Tour concert, in Yokohama, Japan, performed on September 26.This does not, however, explain the existence of the performance of "The Way You Make Me Feel" from the July 15 concert, but this may simply be a promotional video the estate had possession of, as with a performance of "Bad" from another concert at Wembley (which aired at the 1988 MTV Vanguard awards).




Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: blankie on September 29, 2012, 03:53:38 PM
 :icon_bounce:  Great video ( thanks Sim and MJHoaxEvidence   :bowdown: :bowdown: )...great video and great clues.. :icon_e_wink: ..as in Liberian girl  :icon_e_smile: Michael is filming everything ??? This  means that he  is behind the camera and see everything ?  :icon_razz:

Great !!!  :moonwalk_: :woohoo2:
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: paula-c on September 29, 2012, 03:59:51 PM
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@Paula, TNZ weren't the only ones looking at those unreleased songs yesterday  :suspect:

flory24 and I talked about them here:

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,23324.msg424870.html#msg424870

I've posted the TNZ link you gave on flory's thread too - hope that's ok with you.


 :icon_question:
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: annieareyouokannie on September 29, 2012, 10:20:39 PM
Flory24, I cannot see where the letter from John Branca and John Mclain says that the DVD is not
only footage from Wembley, but Paris or anywhere else. I read it as saying it is all from Wembley. maybe
I am not reading it right. IDK :screaming-7365:
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: flory24 on September 30, 2012, 02:10:00 AM
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So while we continued the search for the Wembley Umatic master, we also researched the audio recordings that existed from all of the concerts including Wembley.The other audio/visual recordings that exist, whether Umatic or VHS, are “front of house” mixes, and therefore there are no separate audio recordings that can be used.
The music video for the song "Another Part of Me" features footage from other concerts in Wembley as well as Paris.In addition to the full July 16 concert, the DVD also includes "The Way You Make Me Feel", from the previous night on July 15 (the song was not performed on July 16 due to a late start of the show) and "I Just Can't Stop Loving You", and "Bad", from a 1987 Bad World Tour concert, in Yokohama, Japan, performed on September 26. Recording with him on stage at Dirty Diana, is actually from concert in Paris.
"Bad 25 will include one CD of the re-mastered original album, a CD of unreleased demos of classic tracks and songs not included on the album, and the audio from the Wembley show, the first live recording from the Bad tour released. The booklets will include rare and previously-unreleased photos from the album sessions and tour, original cover art, and a poster, among other things."

From this I understand that there will not be only concert at Wembley but Paris, Japan,
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: flory24 on September 30, 2012, 04:07:58 AM
and take a look here...i`m not the only one who understand that the concert is not only from Wembley

http://tx7.me/2012/09/30/the-michael-jackson-estate-lie-again/

 
Can you spot the difference? http://www.twitpic.com/azdmb1

"Something on top steps, stage lights either side of steps in different directions & wire on right of steps"

 MJs position as well as everything else in the background all proves its a different night.

Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: annieareyouokannie on September 30, 2012, 04:33:39 AM
Well they should have named the dvd something else other than "Live at Wembley". Its not
all at Wembley as they would make us believe, because not everyone would see the statement
from the Executors!!
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: flory24 on September 30, 2012, 04:47:01 AM
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Well they should have named the dvd something else other than "Live at Wembley". Its not
all at Wembley as they would make us believe, because not everyone would see the statement
from the Executors!!



Estate should know not to insult our intelligence by now!

Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: annieareyouokannie on September 30, 2012, 05:45:04 AM
Live from Wembley (and other places)
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: heaveninmyheart on September 30, 2012, 07:50:56 AM
Thank you, that was the point I was trying to make. The Estate did not say that the DVD was compiled from different concerts - only the bonus features were not from Wembley - but the claim was that the concert was "as seen".

Now that means either they lied or MJ lied in his home movies (I know who I believe).

Everything we see/hear/read is manufactured MAKE.BELIEVE - if you're looking for the truth it doesn't exist in Hollywood.

Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: SimPattyK on September 30, 2012, 08:48:42 AM
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Published on Sep 28, 2012 by MJHoaxEvidence

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvxpAUOflfQ&feature=channel&list=UL[/youtube]

Ever since I saw this video^^ published by MjHoaxEvidence, there's something that keeps bugging me! a very nice COINCIDENCE! or is it??  :animal0017:

At the beginning of this month, I had stumbled upon this fragment from the Wembley concert with Michael singing "Human Nature" (one of my very favs!). Watch it here: Michael Jackson Human Nature (Live from Wembley Stadium) (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xtfwbz_michael-jackson-human-nature-live-from-wembley-stadium_music) (pay attention to the minute 03:25)
So at one point, I see Michael filmed from behind, making the fans sing and moving his sexy butt nicely, so I took a screenshot and posted it on my personal Facebook page, on September 10th! See it here: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=282131148562811&set=a.282131128562813.59484.100002977858033&type=3&theater

Now go on the video published by MjHoaxEvidence and look at the minute 13:32 [error correction: minute 10:47] and you will see the exact same screenshot I took from that Wembley concert. With this screenshot, MjHoaxEvidence proved that it was only angle we can see Michael from behind in the Wembley concert, therefore, she proved that the photo from the DVD-cover is actually from another concert Michael gave in PARIS ( :icon_idea: ), France on the stadium called 'PARC des PRINCES'( :icon_idea:)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/bad25compa.jpg)

Now what I find awesome and coincidental are several things:

1. The fact that the BAD25- back cover is actually a photo very similar with the screen shot that I had taken: Michael seen from the back, with a hand stretched out in the air and facing his audience ! In the montage that I made, it seems like that 2 pics mirror each other! "man in the mirror"?
2. The fact that MjHoaxEvidence used the exact same screenshot to prove that the back cover is in fact a CLUE from Michael
3. The fact that the true location of the back cover contains the names of his 3 children! Paris and the 2 Princes (the 2 boys --> stadium : "Parc des Princes" located in Paris) --> also PARC could mean PARK as in "amusement ParK", like say...Neverland or Disneyland in Paris?
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: ellyd on September 30, 2012, 12:45:55 PM
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Again another strong pointer to {London - Paris - Diana}.
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: SimPattyK on September 30, 2012, 04:53:46 PM
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Published on Sep 28, 2012 by MJHoaxEvidence

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvxpAUOflfQ&feature=channel&list=UL[/youtube]

Ever since I saw this video^^ published by MjHoaxEvidence, there's something that keeps bugging me! a very nice COINCIDENCE! or is it??  :animal0017:

At the beginning of this month, I had stumbled upon this fragment from the Wembley concert with Michael singing "Human Nature" (one of my very favs!). Watch it here: Michael Jackson Human Nature (Live from Wembley Stadium) (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xtfwbz_michael-jackson-human-nature-live-from-wembley-stadium_music) (pay attention to the minute 03:25)
So at one point, I see Michael filmed from behind, making the fans sing and moving his sexy butt nicely, so I took a screenshot and posted it on my personal Facebook page, on September 10th! See it here: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=282131148562811&set=a.282131128562813.59484.100002977858033&type=3&theater

Now go on the video published by MjHoaxEvidence and look at the minute 13:32 [error correction: minute 10:47] and you will see the exact same screenshot I took from that Wembley concert. With this screenshot, MjHoaxEvidence proved that it was only angle we can see Michael from behind in the Wembley concert, therefore, she proved that the photo from the DVD-cover is actually from another concert Michael gave in PARIS ( :icon_idea: ), France on the stadium called 'PARC des PRINCES'( :icon_idea:)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/bad25compa.jpg)

Now what I find awesome and coincidental are several things:

1. The fact that the BAD25- back cover is actually a photo very similar with the screen shot that I had taken: Michael seen from the back, with a hand stretched out in the air and facing his audience ! In the montage that I made, it seems like that 2 pics mirror each other! "man in the mirror"?
2. The fact that MjHoaxEvidence used the exact same screenshot to prove that the back cover is in fact a CLUE from Michael
3. The fact that the true location of the back cover contains the names of his 3 children! Paris and the 2 Princes (the 2 boys --> stadium : "Parc des Princes" located in Paris) --> also PARC could mean PARK as in "amusement ParK", like say...Neverland or Disneyland in Paris?

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/bad25ciei.jpg)
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on September 30, 2012, 05:34:19 PM
Interesting thread. I think it may not be a Wembley pic, rather a pic from another venue on the tour, which explains the lighting, etc.

But do agree that RTL is shopped in. And that is pretty cool, considering the hoaxy context!
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: MJonmind on October 01, 2012, 06:02:31 AM
Sim
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With this screenshot, MjHoaxEvidence proved that it was only angle we can see Michael from behind in the Wembley concert, therefore, she proved that the photo from the DVD-cover is actually from another concert Michael gave in PARIS (  ), France on the stadium called 'PARC des PRINCES'( )

1. The fact that the BAD25- back cover is actually a photo very similar with the screen shot that I had taken: Michael seen from the back, with a hand stretched out in the air and facing his audience ! In the montage that I made, it seems like that 2 pics mirror each other! "man in the mirror"?
2. The fact that MjHoaxEvidence used the exact same screenshot to prove that the back cover is in fact a CLUE from Michael
3. The fact that the true location of the back cover contains the names of his 3 children! Paris and the 2 Princes (the 2 boys --> stadium : "Parc des Princes" located in Paris) --> also PARC could mean PARK as in "amusement ParK", like say...Neverland or Disneyland in Paris?
This blows me away, this is so cool, subtle and brilliant! But without brilliant sleuthers like MjHoaxEvidence and you, it would never have been found. Thank you!
Love you too!
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on October 01, 2012, 07:26:14 AM
Just wanted to say that I purchased my Bad 25 double CD this afternoon (lovin' it btw) however the picture we are discussing is no where to be found....

Are there several editions of the release?
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: MaryK on October 01, 2012, 07:49:30 AM
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Just wanted to say that I purchased my Bad 25 double CD this afternoon (lovin' it btw) however the picture we are discussing is no where to be found....

Are there several editions of the release?

The pic is on the back of the DVD.
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on October 01, 2012, 07:56:23 AM
Thanks Mary

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qiyYIyuiEIk/TbDFIoLb_DI/AAAAAAAACz0/3KOkfUFw1VU/s1600/funny-pictures-cat-cannot-brain-today.jpg)
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: MaryK on October 01, 2012, 08:10:33 AM
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Thanks Mary

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qiyYIyuiEIk/TbDFIoLb_DI/AAAAAAAACz0/3KOkfUFw1VU/s1600/funny-pictures-cat-cannot-brain-today.jpg)

(http://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/2008/3/17/nevermind128502468504375000.jpg)

 :icon_lol:

 :bearhug:

*cough*.....back on topic  :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: SimPattyK on October 01, 2012, 03:34:08 PM
LMAO at the 2 pics ^^  :thjajaja121:



@MjonMind:  :bearhug:
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: bec on October 01, 2012, 08:01:25 PM
How did I just get here now?

The pic is obviously photoshopped. The RTL shirt was added. Cropping does not explain it's disappearance from the original.
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: bec on October 01, 2012, 08:23:33 PM
Oh ps. it's also a pic of MJ's back. Obvious, I know but no one else mentioned it so I throw it out there.
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: annieareyouokannie on October 02, 2012, 01:27:11 AM
 :th_bravo: I knew there would be more clues!! Keep them coming!! I cant wait to get
my copy.
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on October 02, 2012, 03:00:59 AM
Same I'm desperate to get the DVD. Just got the cd yesterday and have listened to it only once so far. All I will say, IMHO, these tracks weren't recorded in the 80's. Some of the tracks sound like bad album stle music, but others Have a current musical sound. Also Some of the vocals, I agree, sound like a mature MJ. It's incredibly exciting and I haven't even looked into the lyrics deeply. I am sure once I do that especially with hoaxy eyes, I'm going to be absolutely spinning about it all.
:michael-jackson:

Ah MJ you're a gift that keeps on giving. I can not tell you how good it was driving in my car listening to new MJ...

Felt soooo powerful and special. Possibly because of my involvement here, it feels extra special rather than if I never learned of the hoax. Non believers are missing out on the full MJ experience, big time!!

Love you MJ - Love you all x
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: RememberHisTime on October 02, 2012, 06:05:01 AM
Loving this thread! Very eye-opening. I went with the box set and I didn't see that particular photo as the DVD is packaged differently.

In reading this thread, I had also noticed the 'Paris' and 'Parc des Princes' connection to Michael's kids. Nice! There is a mention of Paris (the city) in the first remix by Afrojack featuring Pitbull (who the hell is that, btw?):

from: http://mjtranslate.com/en/songs/1523

Quote
P-I-T is B-A-D
Michael Jackson, R.I.P.
Catch a chicken with a P-Y-T
All off in Paris
Ooh, oui oui
I've been around the world getting off the chain
And ain't nothing changed

A while back there was a thread discussing the Kanye/Jay Z song Ni**as in Paris because they name-check Michael. Wish I could find that thread again, tried running some searches but nothing came up. Here's a link to the lyrics if you're interested: http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/kanyewest/niggasinparis.html

Those two songs seem to suggest Michael being in Paris with those singing the songs. Much if not all of it is probably coincidental, but I kind of like the idea of Michael choosing Paris as his hide-out city <3

Edit: I just remembered that "Streetwalker" on disc 2 mentions Paris:

I'd like to take you places
How about New York City
Or Paris, France
What do you think of that
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on October 02, 2012, 08:00:54 PM
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So I made a quick pic comparison with the original pic and the back of my BAD25.
Forgive my crappy work on the montage, I was doing it fast  :icon_lol:

The guy wears a RTL shirt.
Left: Back of BAD25 Right: Original pic


(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/bad25cover.jpg)

I haven't read beyond the first page of this thread, but I just have some thoughts...
How do we know the one on the right is the *original* pic? To me... the left one looks like it would be the original. The one on the right looks edited, see how everything looks cartoon-y or like it's been drawn? I think the RTL had always been there, whoever made the pic on the right look cartoon-y may have also photoshopped the rtl OUT of the picture. Still, going with this theory of mine, its suspicious that it was there in the first place, considering "RTL" would later on be the first keyword relating to the media and michael's death hoax. The video of Michael jumping out of the van made every news broadcast... it was VERY important in getting people curious about michael being alive IMO and if it was actually in the original picture, thats evidence to the hoax being planned back in the 80s
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: bec on October 02, 2012, 08:11:26 PM
If that were the case, it's dubious that the original ever would have survived, much less been in any condition to use it for this shiny new project. Nope, that makes no sense considering we are dealing with high end professional marketing companies working for a mega-star's post humus anniversary commemorative album release.

It's ok to believe in the hoax. We are way past looking dumb here.
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: curls on October 03, 2012, 12:34:18 AM
Where did the pic being referred to as the 'original' (i.e. not the one being used on Bad25 dvd) come from?  Who found it?  Where can I see it, other than in this thread?  I can't find it anywhere.
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: ellyd on October 03, 2012, 04:13:45 AM
Maybe this will make it easier to compare.
Different pictures. T-shirt removal not really a big deal (and not really necessary as the picture is cut to fit anyway).

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/comp2chc.jpg)
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: SimPattyK on October 03, 2012, 07:53:40 AM
Great montage @ellyd!  :icon_e_wink:

So there's no Photoshop on the back cover. No RTL t-shirt inserted. The other pic was simply missing the below margin.

It's just that the DVD-back cover pic is not from Wembley stadium (London), but from "Parc des Princes" stadium (Paris).
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: bec on October 03, 2012, 09:47:24 AM
Look again Sim. It ought to be there if simply cropped. That's the point.
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: diggyon on October 04, 2012, 03:27:29 AM
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Look again Sim. It ought to be there if simply cropped. That's the point.

Exactly!
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: RememberHisTime on October 04, 2012, 04:36:41 AM
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Look again Sim. It ought to be there if simply cropped. That's the point.

I have to agree. Mr. RTL was either photoshopped in, or photoshopped out. I tend to think he was photoshopped IN.
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: diggyon on October 04, 2012, 05:50:07 AM
The picture is simply cropped.
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: curls on October 04, 2012, 06:42:23 AM
@MaryK, seeing as you were the one to post the 'original' pic in this thread, can I ask where you found it?  This is nagging me!
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: MaryK on October 04, 2012, 06:46:36 AM
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@MaryK, seeing as you were the one to post the 'original' pic in this thread, can I ask where you found it?  This is nagging me!

I found it on Google picture search.

I typed in "Michael Jackson Wembley" and that pic (with the same scene but without the RTL guy) was the only one I could find (even with other search terms)

http://i.imgur.com/vNymv.png (http://i.imgur.com/vNymv.png)
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: curls on October 04, 2012, 10:20:16 AM
Thanks MaryK!  The pic on Google images links back to this article by Joe Vogel:

http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/72080008.html

which used this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-vogel/michael-jackson-wembley_b_1871878.html  as their source.

Hmm, not sure if that helps me or not!
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: Cameron on October 20, 2012, 12:10:57 PM
Here's what I think about this thread.

This T-shirt contains the red logo of RTL, a french radio, one of the biggest of France.
(Website: http://www.rtl.fr/ )

This radio is one of the main partners of this new edition of bad, BAD25.

So, to me, it's simple that they appears on the cover.

Because the back cover of the DVD has the photo of the concert in Paris.
Surely RTL, as the sponsor of the Paris Concert Show in 1988, and as the partner of BAD25, wanted to "legaly" have his logo on the photo.

That's maybe why this was photoshopped with the guy with this T-shirt.

You know what I mean ? Sorry for my bad english, I'm french and I tried to express myself as clear as possible.
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on October 20, 2012, 01:03:19 PM
Happy to see you back, Cameron!!  :icon_e_smile:
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: jujubii on October 24, 2012, 07:33:00 PM
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Same I'm desperate to get the DVD. Just got the cd yesterday and have listened to it only once so far. All I will say, IMHO, these tracks weren't recorded in the 80's. Some of the tracks sound like bad album stle music, but others Have a current musical sound. Also Some of the vocals, I agree, sound like a mature MJ. It's incredibly exciting and I haven't even looked into the lyrics deeply. I am sure once I do that especially with hoaxy eyes, I'm going to be absolutely spinning about it all.
:michael-jackson:

Ah MJ you're a gift that keeps on giving. I can not tell you how good it was driving in my car listening to new MJ...

Felt soooo powerful and special. Possibly because of my involvement here, it feels extra special rather than if I never learned of the hoax. Non believers are missing out on the full MJ experience, big time!!

Love you MJ - Love you all x




I FEEL THE SAME WAAAAAAAAAY. ;u;


I feel like I AM having the full-on experience and adventure of being an MJ fan.
Not just leaving Michael behind as a happy memory of my kittenish past (at ANY time, but especially after 2009), but persisting in following him, 'cause part of me keeps believing not only is he way too intelligent to die such a frankly puzzling death, but also, like seeing him with a child's eyes, that he is some sort of immortal and just... can't die. (Especially not a death so common to...er, not-very-wise celebrities.)


No, I chose not to just forget about him and assume he's gone.
Because where he goes, my heart goes too.

And my heart says... "yeah, he's still here. You can't just...stop loving him like that."

And then I'm just shocked yet delighted that he has more to offer me than his music, his art, his soul- no, he's got me along on his JOURNEY.
How many artists/singers can you say DOES that to you?  You go from listening to his music and just going, "oh, he's awesome", to "...whoa. Is he part of my life, or has he made me a part of his?"

A journey that only the Love he's taught me can accept as true, understand, and follow, via his clues he's left just for us to understand...

And find him...

And I feel just so, so blessed right now.

You guys, and Michael, are so awesome that I have no more words. <3
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: Cameron on November 18, 2012, 02:02:12 PM
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Happy to see you back, Cameron!!  :icon_e_smile:

Ha ha ! Do you spy me ?  :icon_geek:

I know that I'm not very active since the last few months...

It's just that... maybe I'm losing faith. WHEN will he comeback !
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on November 18, 2012, 08:45:23 PM
You've been here too long to lose faith now!  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: use_your_illusion on November 20, 2012, 03:51:37 AM
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Here's what I think about this thread.

This T-shirt contains the red logo of RTL, a french radio, one of the biggest of France.
(Website: http://www.rtl.fr/ )

This radio is one of the main partners of this new edition of bad, BAD25.

So, to me, it's simple that they appears on the cover.

Because the back cover of the DVD has the photo of the concert in Paris.
Surely RTL, as the sponsor of the Paris Concert Show in 1988, and as the partner of BAD25, wanted to "legaly" have his logo on the photo.

That's maybe why this was photoshopped with the guy with this T-shirt.

You know what I mean ? Sorry for my bad english, I'm french and I tried to express myself as clear as possible.

Hey Cam, welcome back, nice to see you here  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Back cover of Bad 25
Post by: Coco on December 04, 2012, 09:55:14 PM
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Here´s more....not opening a new thread for this, so I put it here.

Ticket reprint in the BAD 25 Deluxe Collectors Edition shows a ticket with the date THURSDAY July 16 1988.
July 16 1988 wasn´t a Thursday ( it was a Saturday), but June 25 2009 was....

(http://imageshack.us/a/img402/9264/badthursday.jpg)

Might be nothing but still...another strange thing  :icon_e_wink:

You're right, this is quite strange.

A little bit of searching led me to find an auctioning off, of an actual (?) ticket for the concert.
The website for this auction, here: http://en.todocoleccion.net/ticket-wembley-stadium-michael-jackson-sat-july-16-1988~x31603831.

(http://i48.tinypic.com/2csj990.jpg)

(http://i48.tinypic.com/16qwqc.jpg)

The date clearly says, "SAT, JULY 16, 1988", so it's odd that the photo you posted of the BAD 25 - DELUXE COLLECTORS EDITION
displays a ticket which does seem to show, as you said, "THURSDAY July 16 1988" (THURS, JULY 16, 1988).
Perhaps they used that ticket replica, in the image, as a mere example of the ticket replica included, rather than an actual representation (i.e., with the real date). Still strange.

The auction has since finished, as the ticket was sold.

Full size:

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2up5tky.jpg)

Back of ticket:

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2ymitzt.jpg)

I think, it's quite interesting. But, maybe, not so relevant.
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