Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
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MICHAEL JACKSON
AEG Drops $17.5 Mil
Insurance Claim (http://www.tmz.com/2012/09/11/michael-jackson-aeg-insurance-claim-lloyds-of-london-this-is-it/)
9/11/2012 7:25 AM PDT BY TMZ STAFF
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The concert promoter behind Michael Jackson's ill-fated "This Is It" tour has dropped its claim to collect on a $17.5 million insurance policy for the singer ... after the insurance company claimed AEG hid the extent of MJ's extensive drug and health issues.
AEG announced the move last night ... claiming the company has been contemplating the decision for months and it has nothing to do with the discovery of new emails that show AEG had doubts about MJ's health around the time the company applied for the insurance policy.
FYI -- the insurance company, Lloyds of London, had sued both AEG and Michael Jackson LLC in the wake of MJ's death to cancel out the policy. L.O.L. has claimed AEG and MJ were not forthright about the singer's drug addiction and failing health at the time they applied for the policy.
Now, a rep for Lloyds tells CNN ... "In exchange for AEG withdrawing its insurance claim, underwriters agreed to dismiss AEG from the case and to waive any costs recoverable from AEG."
Lloyds says it's NOT dropping the case against Michael Jackson LLC -- explaining they will press on seeking "rescission of the policy due to nondisclosures of Michael Jackson's prior drug use."
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L.O.L. has claimed AEG and MJ were not forthright about the singer's drug addiction and failing health at the time they applied for the policy.
And this abbreviation? LOL! :icon_lol:
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L.O.L. has claimed AEG and MJ were not forthright about the singer's drug addiction and failing health at the time they applied for the policy.
And this abbreviation? LOL! :icon_lol:
I noticed that right away too paula. It's something we've joked about on the forum before too, the irony of those initials for a life insurance company.
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Wow..... what do you all think of this???? So AEG took out a 17 milliin $$$$ insurance policy on MJ
and coincidentally he "died" or killed shortly after by someone who was employed by AEG????????
This also makes sense as to why there were so many conflicting stories about MJ being healthy for the tour and unhealthy...... This kind of worries me but then again it could be all part of the game..... But everyone has heard stories of people killing people to get insurance money......... Hmmmmmmmm dont know what to think.
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I think there were reports that they failed to present a valid death certificate in the past or something like that?
Does anyone remember?
So basically...yes of course..... :LolLolLolLol:
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Material misrepresentation (i had to look that up :icon_e_geek:) by AEG? Or.. did L.O.L. not do a very good job of investigating the policy??
The insurance company would normally put Michael through a lengthy medical evaluation, as would be customary for any insurance policy like this — especially one this large. This evaluation usually includes review of medical records, which raises the question of whether the insurance company should have discovered any misstatements. If so, their failure to do so could mean the fault lies with them, not MJ or AEG.
http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/2011/06/michael-jackson-estate-faces-175-million-insurance-fight.html
Now, I wonder if L.O.L. didn't put Michael through a lengthy medical evaltuation.. I think they did and they might have medical records which show that Michael was not a drug addict and didn't have a failing health, though they are not allowed to publish this because they have to protect the privacy of their client. AEG is feeding the media and so the public with assumptions. Truth is out there, it's not just visible to us..yet.
Just wait and see in court :judge-smiley:
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Just a head's up, they're about to discuss this on TMZ live.
www.tmz.com
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Didn’t we discuss somewhere that the name on the exam and the insurance policy was something other than Michael Jackson? Maybe I’m losing it, but I could swear I remember reading that and thinking the policy is of no value anyway because the person being named as the assured is an imposter.
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Here it is:
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http://www.accesshollywood.com/michael-jackson-death-investigation-who-is-doctor-david-slavit_article_22144 (http://www.accesshollywood.com/michael-jackson-death-investigation-who-is-doctor-david-slavit_article_22144)
Michael Jackson Death Investigation: Who Is Doctor David Slavit?
First Published: August 25, 2009 10:16 PM EDT Credit: Catherine Nance
NEW YORK, N.Y. -- CaptionDoctor Conrad Murray has been the center of police and media attention since the death of Michael Jackson on June 25 at the age of 50, but a number of other doctors names have been brought up recently in legal documents, including that of Dr. David Slavit.
Slavit, an ear-nose-and-throat specialist, based in New York City, administered Michael Jackson’s physical in February of this year, which the pop star reportedly passed. The physical report allowed Lloyd’s of London to issue the insurance policy on the pop star, under the name of “Mark Jones,” according to the Los Angeles Times, to AEG Live in relation to his London concert dates.
So who is Slavit?
So far, the doctor has remained quiet in the aftermath of Jackson’s death on June 25 at the age of 50, despite requests for comment from various media outlets. Access Hollywood is amongst the outlets that have requested interviews with him and have been turned down.
A receptionist for the doctor reportedly told Britain’s Mirror newspaper, “He will not be speaking.”
But some details have emerged despite the doctor’s silence.
According to the NY Post, Slavit, 48, has previously treated singers including Margaret Lattimore, a mezzo-soprano, who has been nominated for a Grammy.
“There’s nobody I would trust more with my voice,” Lattimore reportedly told the paper. “He’s a fabulous doctor. Very discreet, incredibly professional, and the gentlest, sweetest man you can imagine.”
Slavit, 48, is married to wife Robin, 49, and the couple lives in New Jersey with three children, the Mirror previously reported.
His father, Leonard Slavit, is a lawyer and defended his son in a lawsuit in 1999 over alleged unpaid rent, which was settled out of court, according to the NY Post.
“I found him to be completely dishonest or I wouldn’t have had to sue him to get the money he owed me. I eventually got it,” Dr. Howard Belin reportedly told the NY Post. Dr. Belin rented space in his NYC townhouse to Slavit and claims Slavit left before paying $41,000 in unpaid rent and $12,000 in damages, he told the paper.
As for his relation to Jackson, according to AEG Live’s Randy Phillips, Slavit was, “hired by the insurance carriers” for the physical.
”[He] was hired by the insurance carriers to come out here,” Phillips previously told Access Hollywood. “He gave Michael a pretty grueling five-hour physical and did all the tests…we were never privy to the patient doctor information, which we wouldn’t be. But our insurance broker told us that Michael passed with flying colors – those were the words — and all he had was a little hay fever.”
Phillips said AEG received the policy, which would not have been issued without the physical report.
“We got an insurance policy because of the physical,” Phillips told Access. “Lloyd’s of London would not have given us a policy if there was something wrong in that physical.”
According to the LA Times, per a reported deal with AEG, if any of the $17.5 million policy is eventually paid, 100% will go to the Jackson estate.
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Wow..... what do you all think of this???? So AEG took out a 17 milliin $$$$ insurance policy on MJ
and coincidentally he "died" or killed shortly after by someone who was employed by AEG????????
This also makes sense as to why there were so many conflicting stories about MJ being healthy for the tour and unhealthy...... This kind of worries me but then again it could be all part of the game..... But everyone has heard stories of people killing people to get insurance money......... Hmmmmmmmm dont know what to think.
All entertainers and tours have to be insured to cover unforeseen losses for any number of reasons. Lindsay Lohan comes to mind. She had a hard time getting insurance to work because of her shenanigans. They wouldn't kill Michael for 17mil when he was simply worth much more dead then alive.
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Didn’t we discuss somewhere that the name on the exam and the insurance policy was something other than Michael Jackson? Maybe I’m losing it, but I could swear I remember reading that and thinking the policy is of no value anyway because the person being named as the assured is an imposter.
Correct. The policy is voidable since its inception. MJ did not even sign that policy but someone else did and for some odd reason, policy was accepted by underwriters of Lloyds. LOL and BS. Lloyds needs to sue broker and AEG not MJ. Eventually, they will withdraw claim against MJ too.
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Didn’t we discuss somewhere that the name on the exam and the insurance policy was something other than Michael Jackson? Maybe I’m losing it, but I could swear I remember reading that and thinking the policy is of no value anyway because the person being named as the assured is an imposter.
Correct. The policy is voidable since its inception. MJ did not even sign that policy but someone else did and for some odd reason, policy was accepted by underwriters of Lloyds. LOL and BS. Lloyds needs to sue broker and AEG not MJ. Eventually, they will withdraw claim against MJ too.
Scorpionchik - so glad to see you around :)
Interesting that they used "M"ark "J"ones (MJ). LOL. Literally. Yes, we need to see this through because I too think that the claim will be dropped. What is confusing though - didn't the articles earlier this week say that MJ was supposed to have a physical in London? Why would that be if he had one before? Did I miss something?
About the false name - I work for a medical facility that treats some VIP's and they use false names for security and confidentiality reasons when scheduling of appointments. If someone were to look at our scheduling database you wouldn't know who the celebrities were unless you knew what names they were going by. However, in the actual medical record their name is revealed. So I'm not sure that MJ using Mark Jones (if that's true) would make it null and void. I guess it would depend on whether his real name was revealed in the medical record.
Blessings
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Thanks Voice. I have always been around :icon_e_wink: because I love Michael.
Yes, physical exam was going to take place in London by their docs to expand insurance policy and include London as a venue for accidental death of the key person which never happened.
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Reportedly, AEG spent some $20 to $25 million on the tour before the King of Pop’s death, and this insurance was supposed to protect that investment. Both AEG and a Michael Jackson limited liability company that is controlled by the Estate were named as beneficiaries eligible to collect that money under the policy.
But, AEG and the Estate haven’t collected this money yet … and both are now embroiled in a new lawsuit by insurer Lloyd’s of London. The renowned insurance company sued, asking a California judge to rule that the policy should be voided. They don’t want to pay the $17.5 million.
Why the lawsuit? Lloyd’s says that AEG and Michael Jackson both lied during the insurance process. Reportedly, they didn’t tell about Jackson’s use of prescription drugs … namely, the propofol which killed him. The insurance company also says that Michael Jackson’s medical history, including the doctors he saw, weren’t properly disclosed.
The legal term for this type of insurance denial is “material misrepresentation.” If Michael Jackson or AEG gave false information on the insurance application or otherwise during the process of obtaining the policy, then the law permits the insurance company to avoid having to pay … but, only if the false or missing information is “material.” In other words, generally speaking, the “misrepresentation” must be held to be relevant to the insurance policy and cause of death for this to be a proper basis to deny a claim.
The insurance company would normally put Michael through a lengthy medical evaluation, as would be customary for any insurance policy like this — especially one this large. This evaluation usually includes review of medical records, which raises the question of whether the insurance company should have discovered any misstatements. If so, their failure to do so could mean the fault lies with them, not MJ or AEG.
This means that either someone really tried hard to hide the truth of Michael’s prescription drug use, or Lloyd’s of London didn’t do a very good job of investigating the policy.
The truth will now play out in court. Reportedly, the two sides have been trying to settle the claim ever since the King of Pop died, but it hasn’t worked. So now they have to resolve it through litigation.
The Estate is ready to battle. Estate attorney Howard Weitzman says that the insurance claim is legitimate and the insurance company is merely trying to avoid paying out what it should.
In these cases, an important factor is the two-year “incontestability period.” If someone has a material misrepresentation, but more than two years pass after the application and the date of death, then the insurance company still has to pay. That rule wouldn’t help MJ’s estate or AEG though, since the policy wasn’t two years old when he died.
http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/2011/06/michael-jackson-estate-faces-175-million-insurance-fight.html
From the same link posted earlier...thanks
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I'm having a hard time knowing what to believe in all this recent legal stuff. Where does reality end and the hoax storyline begin? Is there indeed any reality or can it ALL be part of the hoax plot being played out? Does anyone know anything? Does everyone know everything? Who knows what and how much?! Nothing changes where puzzling, unanswered questions lie! I keep watching!
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I am speechless how unprofessional and wrong the content of this article isw written
"By Andy and Danielle Mayoras, co-authors of Trial & Heirs: Famous Fortune Fights!, husband-and-wife legacy expert attorneys".
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http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/2011/06/michael-jackson-estate-faces-175-million-insurance-fight.html#comment-6a01053645c43a970b017744b026f4970d
They are obviously attorneys with lack of knowledge in insurance which is understandable. Attorneys do not study insurance in law schools. Insurance is a different world and based on its unique separate body of law, and, of course, almost a single source of attorneys' salary. No matter how tight is legal procedure associated with insurance, attorneys still are not proficient in insurance law.
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When AEG dropped ita 17.5 million insurance claim, was this good for the hoax overall?
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I'm having a hard time knowing what to believe in all this recent legal stuff. Where does reality end and the hoax storyline begin? Is there indeed any reality or can it ALL be part of the hoax plot being played out? Does anyone know anything? Does everyone know everything? Who knows what and how much?! Nothing changes where puzzling, unanswered questions lie! I keep watching!
Thanks God I'm not alone!
I've been troubled by the exact same questions ever since Michael's WILL issue started, then the new SONY Deal, then those e-mail leaked and now this AEG insurance stuff!
I just don't know what to think anymore of anything! :Pulling_hair:
And if there ever was a good moment for true insiders to give us a helping hand, then this would be IT! :bowdown:
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Perhaps the goal is to create as much confusion as possible before the BAM and maybe to create some doubt/confusion for the hoax believers as well. Darkest before dawn, and all that.
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Perhaps the goal is to create as much confusion as possible before the BAM and maybe to create some doubt/confusion for the hoax believers as well. Darkest before dawn, and all that.
Or maybe Michael wants to show us the ordeal he went through before the BAM happens, so maybe this way he will be forgiven by the ones that don't understand why he faked his death or the ones that really thought he was dead and were not going to forgive him, I think it's a good move before the BAM and it sounds reasonable to me.
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Perhaps the goal is to create as much confusion as possible before the BAM and maybe to create some doubt/confusion for the hoax believers as well. Darkest before dawn, and all that.
Or maybe Michael wants to show us the ordeal he went through before the BAM happens, so maybe this way he will be forgiven by the ones that don't understand why he faked his death or the ones that really thought he was dead and were not going to forgive him, I think it's a good move before the BAM and it sounds reasonable to me.
That could be too. Either way, or something else entirely, we're all wondering WTF is going on, lol.
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Perhaps the goal is to create as much confusion as possible before the BAM and maybe to create some doubt/confusion for the hoax believers as well. Darkest before dawn, and all that.
Or maybe Michael wants to show us the ordeal he went through before the BAM happens, so maybe this way he will be forgiven by the ones that don't understand why he faked his death or the ones that really thought he was dead and were not going to forgive him, I think it's a good move before the BAM and it sounds reasonable to me.
But you know, sweetsunset, I'm not sure how much of an ordeal MJ went through and how much was/is his own controlled story-making. Like I said before, where does reality end and hoax storyline begin? I know nothing!
@Andrea - yup we're all wondering .... and isn't that the best way to be, rather than lapping up every word printed and believing it?
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One comment on the article site:
Simba said…If AEG took out the insurance, what does it have to do with the Michael Jackson Estate?
BTW there's no evidence that Michael Jackson was administered propofol at the time the policy was taken out, so failure to mention it was not misrepresentation. Not to mention the fact that propofol is not a prescription drug. It's a powerful anesthetic, which should only be administered in a hospital setting, and only by an anesthesiologist, which Conrad Murray is not.
And Murray incredibly kept no medical records on MJ, which has to be first for any respectable doctor.
I'm so looking forward to the lawsuit trial. The characters and stage have been so intricately set.
Paula, L.O.L. reminds me of Mans-laughter!
Voice, I liked your, "Interesting that they used "M"ark "J"ones (MJ)." "Ark ones" relates to TS' signs.
Though I don't know the dividing line between hoax and reality, I'm simply trusting MJ in this--what choice do I have...
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AEG have to drop to insurance claim, otherwise Michael could not come back. It's legal for someone to fake their death, as long as they don't get any money from an insurance claim. I presume the insurance claim would re-imburse AEG of all costs incurred, and the rest would go towards the estate..(which is Michael)
I hope I'm on the right track here. He legally can't be charged if he hasn't claimed any life insurance policy money...
Maybe Lloyds don't have any real evidence that Michael is actually dead.
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Maybe Lloyds don't have any real evidence that Michael is actually dead.
That´s what I was thinking. I remember reading that they have never received a valid death certificate.
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Maybe Lloyds don't have any real evidence that Michael is actually dead.
That´s what I was thinking. I remember reading that they have never received a valid death certificate.
And also, what evidence do they have of "MJ's extensive drug and health issues"?
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Maybe Lloyds don't have any real evidence that Michael is actually dead.
That´s what I was thinking. I remember reading that they have never received a valid death certificate.
And also, what evidence do they have of "MJ's extensive drug and health issues"?
Exactly that's the point "no valid death certificate" plus are there any medical checkups? if Murray was hired to control MJ's health for the concerts where are those medical checkups? I keep on without believing that a so "professional" doctor as Murray could give Michael that fatal dose of propofol without being monitored furthermore propofol is an anesthetic and not a restful sleep medicine.
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Perhaps the goal is to create as much confusion as possible before the BAM and maybe to create some doubt/confusion for the hoax believers as well. Darkest before dawn, and all that.
@ Andrea :th_bravo: :michael-jackson:
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It all looks very scripted to me, when I heard about the leaked emails I thought "it's a Hoaxileak" lol I wonder what else is there in those 200 and so pages. :suspect:
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Perhaps the goal is to create as much confusion as possible before the BAM and maybe to create some doubt/confusion for the hoax believers as well. Darkest before dawn, and all that.
agree with you.
@ Scorpion Chick - Glad to see you back and posting. I was asking about you on the forum, before I did my own little disappearing act!
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AEG have to drop to insurance claim, otherwise Michael could not come back. It's legal for someone to fake their death, as long as they don't get any money from an insurance claim.
AGREE! That's why I am waiting for other shoes to drop. Things have to happen so Lloyds doesn't continue with lawsuit against Michael Jackson LLC; and Katherine has to drop lawsuit against AEG. It's all falling into place.... :)
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Quote from: 2good2btrue on September 14, 2012, 07:05:52 AM
AEG have to drop to insurance claim, otherwise Michael could not come back. It's legal for someone to fake their death, as long as they don't get any money from an insurance claim.
AGREE! That's why I am waiting for other shoes to drop. Things have to happen so Lloyds doesn't continue with lawsuit against Michael Jackson LLC; and Katherine has to drop lawsuit against AEG. It's all falling into place....
@2good Katherine did not drop lawsuit against AEG. It is pending on future hearing
10/24/2012 at 08:45 am in department 28 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion for Sanctions (MOTION TO SEAL PORTIONS OF THERECORD)
11/28/2012 at 08:45 am in department 28 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel ((2))
03/21/2013 at 08:45 am in department 28 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (jt 4-2-13)
04/02/2013 at 09:30 am in department 28 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (30-45 days)
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@ Scorpion Chick - Glad to see you back and posting. I was asking about you on the forum, before I did my own little disappearing act!
thanks girl :beerchug:
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Quote from: 2good2btrue on September 14, 2012, 07:05:52 AM
AEG have to drop to insurance claim, otherwise Michael could not come back. It's legal for someone to fake their death, as long as they don't get any money from an insurance claim.
AGREE! That's why I am waiting for other shoes to drop. Things have to happen so Lloyds doesn't continue with lawsuit against Michael Jackson LLC; and Katherine has to drop lawsuit against AEG. It's all falling into place....
@2good Katherine did not drop lawsuit against AEG. It is pending on future hearing
10/24/2012 at 08:45 am in department 28 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion for Sanctions (MOTION TO SEAL PORTIONS OF THERECORD)
11/28/2012 at 08:45 am in department 28 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel ((2))
03/21/2013 at 08:45 am in department 28 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (jt 4-2-13)
04/02/2013 at 09:30 am in department 28 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (30-45 days)
Thanks Scorpionchik. If the hearings are partly this year and the trial only next year, MJ’s bam will cancel it all, unless Bam is not what we expect, and the hoax continues.
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Thanks Scorpionchik. If the hearings are partly this year and the trial only next year, MJ’s bam will cancel it all, unless Bam is not what we expect, and the hoax continues.
Or perhaps 'when' we expect it.
You're right though, bam may cancel hearings and total. Hope so.
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If Michael BAMs, Katherine will withdraw lawsuit with prejudice.... Then what will be next you think? AEG will file lawsuit against Katherine and kids ( they are among plaintiffs) for false allegation and personal injury..........unless Katherine and kids can prove that they did not know that that was NOT Michael who was burried, they confused MJ with dummy/double. Then they have to explain WHY they accepted false autopsy report and fake death certificate and staged funeral ? That's what concerns me most I was saying and saying.
And this is not the full picture, this is least that I know will happen whether AEG is bad guy or good guy towards Michael because that will not be the point. The reason MJ hoaxed his death and Katherine filing lawsuit for wrongful death are 2 separate events. The point will be that Katherine deceived court and filed false lawsuit knowing that MJ is not dead then that looks like she wanted to get money from AEG she was not leaglly entitled to.
Not to mention mass lawsuits against Jacksons that will follow; people alway find reason.
I know this does not look what we want but...what do you think about this post BAM chain of event?
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If Michael BAMs, Katherine will withdraw lawsuit with prejudice.... Then what will be next you think? AEG will file lawsuit against Katherine and kids ( they are among plaintiffs) for false allegation and personal injury..........unless Katherine and kids can prove that they did not know that that was NOT Michael who was burried, they confused MJ with dummy/double. Then they have to explain WHY they accepted false autopsy report and fake death certificate and staged funeral ? That's what concerns me most I was saying and saying.
And this is not the full picture, this is least that I know will happen whether AEG is bad guy or good guy towards Michael because that will not be the point. The reason MJ hoaxed his death and Katherine filing lawsuit for wrongful death are 2 separate events. The point will be that Katherine deceived court and filed false lawsuit knowing that MJ is not dead then that looks like she wanted to get money from AEG she was not leaglly entitled to.
Not to mention mass lawsuits against Jacksons that will follow; people alway find reason.
I know this does not look what we want but...what do you think about this post BAM chain of event?
Maybe AEG will be sold by then...
I honestly believe that Michael has taken care of any sort of legal eventualities with this hoax.
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this is lords of london , not common insurer. why oh why would they insure without thoroughly checking it out themselves?and do they know for a fact that ever who was examined was in deed michael jackson? next question i have is 17 mil. small potatoes for such a company. and was this only for the first 10 shows?
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If Michael BAMs, Katherine will withdraw lawsuit with prejudice.... Then what will be next you think? AEG will file lawsuit against Katherine and kids ( they are among plaintiffs) for false allegation and personal injury..........unless Katherine and kids can prove that they did not know that that was NOT Michael who was burried, they confused MJ with dummy/double. Then they have to explain WHY they accepted false autopsy report and fake death certificate and staged funeral ? That's what concerns me most I was saying and saying.
And this is not the full picture, this is least that I know will happen whether AEG is bad guy or good guy towards Michael because that will not be the point. The reason MJ hoaxed his death and Katherine filing lawsuit for wrongful death are 2 separate events. The point will be that Katherine deceived court and filed false lawsuit knowing that MJ is not dead then that looks like she wanted to get money from AEG she was not leaglly entitled to.
Not to mention mass lawsuits against Jacksons that will follow; people alway find reason.
I know this does not look what we want but...what do you think about this post BAM chain of event?
If Michael BAMS it means he is alive and this means everything else will remain worthless because everything has been staged.
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If Michael BAMs, Katherine will withdraw lawsuit with prejudice.... Then what will be next you think? AEG will file lawsuit against Katherine and kids ( they are among plaintiffs) for false allegation and personal injury..........unless Katherine and kids can prove that they did not know that that was NOT Michael who was burried, they confused MJ with dummy/double. Then they have to explain WHY they accepted false autopsy report and fake death certificate and staged funeral ? That's what concerns me most I was saying and saying.
And this is not the full picture, this is least that I know will happen whether AEG is bad guy or good guy towards Michael because that will not be the point. The reason MJ hoaxed his death and Katherine filing lawsuit for wrongful death are 2 separate events. The point will be that Katherine deceived court and filed false lawsuit knowing that MJ is not dead then that looks like she wanted to get money from AEG she was not leaglly entitled to.
Not to mention mass lawsuits against Jacksons that will follow; people alway find reason.
I know this does not look what we want but...what do you think about this post BAM chain of event?
If Michael BAMS it means he is alive and this means everything else will remain worthless because everything has been staged.
Worthless staged death and filed lawsuit? In here?? No hon, maybe on your unknown Planet Earth :icon_e_biggrin: But in LA, it will be :judge-smiley:
Trust me. Alive Michael is more problem although I too want him here right now.
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If Michael BAMs, Katherine will withdraw lawsuit with prejudice.... Then what will be next you think? AEG will file lawsuit against Katherine and kids ( they are among plaintiffs) for false allegation and personal injury..........unless Katherine and kids can prove that they did not know that that was NOT Michael who was burried, they confused MJ with dummy/double. Then they have to explain WHY they accepted false autopsy report and fake death certificate and staged funeral ? That's what concerns me most I was saying and saying.
And this is not the full picture, this is least that I know will happen whether AEG is bad guy or good guy towards Michael because that will not be the point. The reason MJ hoaxed his death and Katherine filing lawsuit for wrongful death are 2 separate events. The point will be that Katherine deceived court and filed false lawsuit knowing that MJ is not dead then that looks like she wanted to get money from AEG she was not leaglly entitled to.
Not to mention mass lawsuits against Jacksons that will follow; people alway find reason.
I know this does not look what we want but...what do you think about this post BAM chain of event?
I've wondered about this type of fallout as well...many times actually. Lawsuits stemming from the lawsuits brought to date would seem to be a stumbling block. Something that I've thought recently is that there appears to be soooooo much re-posturing/re-positioning of the AEG status. Bailing as a plaintiff in a lawsuit and putting your company on the chopping block aren't the typical actions of a well oiled and solid company. It makes me wonder just how many skeletons may come banging out of AEG's closet when all the proper people get to the business of auditing the books and internals for the sale. I wonder if maybe AEG will end up in such bad light that they'd be hard pressed to revenge litigate. Just a thought...or maybe it was a plan...LOL...I just know I'm still running in this elaborate maze with all the rest of you guys. :icon_e_wink:
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You're assuming AEG isn't involved in the project and I see no reason to do so.
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You're assuming AEG isn't involved in the project and I see no reason to do so.
Hey bec...but no I'm not assuming anything...merely stating an outlook from one perspective based on the comment made earlier about the lawsuits being a problem. People used to tell me I was a great at debating because I could open my mind to see either side regardless of my personal opinion. It's been a blessing and a curse at times as we've traveled down our path here....lol. In this adventure I've taken news and subjects introduced and looked at it from both perspectives...like how does this play if they are good guys vs. bad guys...and I'm sure many of you do that at well. But...no matter how much we try and nail down every fact/nuance/personal role & intentions/business role & intentions and assign them all to the Good Guys or the Bad Guys...my gut tells me that even those of us who've been sitting front row are still in for some surprises. Don't get me wrong...most people and entities are obviously "trending" on one side of my scoreboard or the other but I'm not awarding White Fedoras or Devils Horns specifically to anyone just yet. Still keeping my sponge mode operating and then periodically wringing out the excess...lol.
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You're assuming AEG isn't involved in the project and I see no reason to do so.
Hey bec...but no I'm not assuming anything...merely stating an outlook from one perspective based on the comment made earlier about the lawsuits being a problem. People used to tell me I was a great at debating because I could open my mind to see either side regardless of my personal opinion. It's been a blessing and a curse at times as we've traveled down our path here....lol. In this adventure I've taken news and subjects introduced and looked at it from both perspectives...like how does this play if they are good guys vs. bad guys...and I'm sure many of you do that at well. But...no matter how much we try and nail down every fact/nuance/personal role & intentions/business role & intentions and assign them all to the Good Guys or the Bad Guys...my gut tells me that even those of us who've been sitting front row are still in for some surprises. Don't get me wrong...most people and entities are obviously "trending" on one side of my scoreboard or the other but I'm not awarding White Fedoras or Devils Horns specifically to anyone just yet. Still keeping my sponge mode operating and then periodically wringing out the excess...lol.
good post , i like your approach , very even handed. imo :icon_e_wink:
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Well but, yes you are. To ponder the possibility of lawsuits stemming from the AEG connection upon MJ's return, you have to first assume that AEG is not involved, because if they are involved in the project there is no risk of litigation.
So like Andrea said, I trust MJ has everything under control in the legality department for this hoax.
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IF AEG, Conrad, FBI , court/judges, LAPD, LA Coroners office, UCLA doctors, not naming MJ's relatives, coworkers, friends, are ALL in hoax, then against who and what for(motive, ground) Michael hoaxed his death? IS there hoax at all?
Take over WHOM/ WHAT if everybody is in hoax? :icon_rolleyes:
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If Michael BAMs, Katherine will withdraw lawsuit with prejudice.... Then what will be next you think? AEG will file lawsuit against Katherine and kids ( they are among plaintiffs) for false allegation and personal injury..........unless Katherine and kids can prove that they did not know that that was NOT Michael who was burried, they confused MJ with dummy/double. Then they have to explain WHY they accepted false autopsy report and fake death certificate and staged funeral ? That's what concerns me most I was saying and saying.
And this is not the full picture, this is least that I know will happen whether AEG is bad guy or good guy towards Michael because that will not be the point. The reason MJ hoaxed his death and Katherine filing lawsuit for wrongful death are 2 separate events. The point will be that Katherine deceived court and filed false lawsuit knowing that MJ is not dead then that looks like she wanted to get money from AEG she was not leaglly entitled to.
Not to mention mass lawsuits against Jacksons that will follow; people alway find reason.
I know this does not look what we want but...what do you think about this post BAM chain of event?
Maybe AEG will be sold by then...
I honestly believe that Michael has taken care of any sort of legal eventualities with this hoax.
Agree Andrea .Michael has certainly planned all... :icon_e_wink: