Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Welcome! => MJDHI Announcements => Topic started by: ~Souza~ on September 04, 2012, 03:31:26 PM
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Normally I just ban trolls and don’t pay attention to them because I don’t think they deserve more attention. But lately I see so many people fall in traps of clever internet trolls (not just in the hoax community, but everywhere on the net) and I think it is time to address it and explain for one time how I make my decision. I really hope people will read this and start understanding why I think some trolls are dangerous and why I immediately ban someone when I don’t trust it. I explained earlier in a post how I work (see Your safety and my responsibility as an administrator) but I would like to take this a step further now by showing step by step what happens before I ban a troll.
Read more: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxbook/blogs/1/6/internet-deception-manipulation
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Thanks for posting, often fall to wolves in sheep's clothing. :bearhug:
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This is one of the reasons I rarely to never chat.
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Guys I am warning you please be careful with your facebook accounts, this Virtually Visible hacked mine because he asked me about something very private that I only shared with one person on a private conversation, I knew something was wrong and I shouldn't trust him anymore so following his conversation on the chat I provided him a trap and he fell that was the reason why I thought he might be a troll apart from he was ALWAYS the one that looked for me on the chat and NEVER the other way around, so if I were you I would change my fb password just in case because the kind of people like this don't never give up and will probably try once and again with different names and/or IP adress.
ps: Thanks Souza for caring!!
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ick. thanks Souza and other mods
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Guys my e-mail has just been hacked. I was one of the people who talked to this person, sadly he knew that e-mail and since he was the only one i talked to on there, i think it's pretty safe to assume he did it. so be very careful. I've never had something like happen before and it's def a good lesson to learn to be more careful. lots of wakos out there! Stay safe!
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Everyone needs to be very vigilant in protecting their systems because the amount of 'hackers' out there has increased greatly and will continue to increase. I have some experience/knowledge about systems and can tell you that it's not an easy thing to do...the people that do this sort of thing are very knowledgable and usually are up to no good and can, in some cases, be very dangerous (it's, in essence, breaking and entering into someone's space). You should NEVER give out any personal info unless you are 100% sure the person on the other end is trustworthy, and in internet-land that's very rare. Something as simple as telling someone the name of your pet may be saying too much (especially if you've used that as an answer for security questions anywhere). It doesn't mean you have to be anti-social...just be smart about your interactions with people. And be smart about protecting your systems....BOTH a firewall AND a security program are essential. It may not stop you from getting 'hacked' but it will make the hackers' job MUCH more difficult....to the point where they may just give up in trying.
Here's an article from the FBI about protecting your system. Take what you can from it...although the FBI has also been hacked haha, there is still useful info there. All Souza and the rest of us can do is warn people and help them with any questions they may have...but ultimately, your safety is YOUR responsibility.
How to Protect Your Computer
The same advice parents might deliver to young drivers on their first solo journey applies to everyone who wants to navigate safely online. A special agent in our Cyber Division offered the following:
- "Don't drive in bad neighborhoods."
- "If you don't lock your car, it's vulnerable; if you don't secure your computer, it's vulnerable."
- "Reduce your vulnerability, and you reduce the threat."
Below are some key steps to protecting your computer from intrusion:
- Keep Your Firewall Turned On: A firewall helps protect your computer from hackers who might try to gain access to crash it, delete information, or even steal passwords or other sensitive information. Software firewalls are widely recommended for single computers. The software is prepackaged on some operating systems or can be purchased for individual computers. For multiple networked computers, hardware routers typically provide firewall protection.
- Install or Update Your Antivirus Software: Antivirus software is designed to prevent malicious software programs from embedding on your computer. If it detects malicious code, like a virus or a worm, it works to disarm or remove it. Viruses can infect computers without users' knowledge. Most types of antivirus software can be set up to update automatically.
- Install or Update Your Antispyware Technology: Spyware is just what it sounds like—software that is surreptitiously installed on your computer to let others peer into your activities on the computer. Some spyware collects information about you without your consent or produces unwanted pop-up ads on your web browser. Some operating systems offer free spyware protection, and inexpensive software is readily available for download on the Internet or at your local computer store. Be wary of ads on the Internet offering downloadable antispyware—in some cases these products may be fake and may actually contain spyware or other malicious code. It's like buying groceries—shop where you trust.
- Keep Your Operating System Up to Date: Computer operating systems are periodically updated to stay in tune with technology requirements and to fix security holes. Be sure to install the updates to ensure your computer has the latest protection.
- Be Careful What You Download: Carelessly downloading e-mail attachments can circumvent even the most vigilant anti-virus software. Never open an e-mail attachment from someone you don't know, and be wary of forwarded attachments from people you do know. They may have unwittingly advanced malicious code.
- Turn Off Your Computer: With the growth of high-speed Internet connections, many opt to leave their computers on and ready for action. The downside is that being "always on" renders computers more susceptible. Beyond firewall protection, which is designed to fend off unwanted attacks, turning the computer off effectively severs an attacker's connection—be it spyware or a botnet that employs your computer's resources to reach out to other unwitting users.
http://www.fbi.gov/scams-safety/computer_protect (http://www.fbi.gov/scams-safety/computer_protect)
With L.O.V.E. always.
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Thanks for sharing BeTheChange.
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Dear Souza,
Thank you for warning us. You have always been vigilant about the strange people who lurk in the virtual world. I've had one email account hacked--I had to close it down. There are few people you can trust in both the real and virtual worlds.
I have been on this forum since June 25, 2009, but I had problems with the other forum and lost track of some of the topics.
Could you tell me if TS is still considered an insider or is he a devil's advocate? I apologize for my confusion.
Thank you again for maintaining the forum.
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Excellent tips BeTheChange. Thanks so much for sharing this info. :bearhug:
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Dear Souza,
Thank you for warning us. You have always been vigilant about the strange people who lurk in the virtual world. I've had one email account hacked--I had to close it down. There are few people you can trust in both the real and virtual worlds.
I have been on this forum since June 25, 2009, but I had problems with the other forum and lost track of some of the topics.
Could you tell me if TS is still considered an insider or is he a devil's advocate? I apologize for my confusion.
Thank you again for maintaining the forum.
Sorry I am not Souza but I can tell you that TS is still considered a reliable insider, take a look:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/board,281.0.html
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Thank you very much. I'll catch up!
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Thanks Souza ,this is a very important matter... :compute:
Thanks Be for the informations :icon_razz: ... I control a lot my pc , but unfortunately never know what can happen :icon_e_sad:
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Thank you, Souza, and others, for posting this warning and information. I also do not follow chat rooms and/or friend anyone I don't know well. But I can see how it could happen if one let their guard down.
Stay safe everyone. Not everyone out there has the best intentions when trying to get to know you.
Blessings to you.
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Hey guys this is important:
I have just received a message on the chat with the username: "REMY" saying to me that "VV" (Virtually Visible) send me love and peace, please be careful and don't exchange any data with him he might be another TROLL.
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Hey guys this is important:
I have just received a message on the chat with the username: "REMY" saying to me that "VV" (Virtually Visible) send me love and peace, please be careful and don't exchange any data with him he might be another TROLL.
Banned. IP addresses: 79.141.173.79 & 95.141.28.53.
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Hey guys this is important:
I have just received a message on the chat with the username: "REMY" saying to me that "VV" (Virtually Visible) send me love and peace, please be careful and don't exchange any data with him he might be another TROLL.
Banned. IP addresses: 79.141.173.79 & 95.141.28.53.
Good job!!
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The style of Hoaxbook and chat seems to be attractive to these people. I was alarmed by the number of new names that appeared as soon as Hoaxbook started up. Why had they not signed up on the forum before? Of course, many, if not most, were probably perfectly legit, but apparently some weren't/aren't.
I don't know, but is there some sort of 'screening' process, or have people request membership , or have it by invitation only, or something other than automatic on the spot access, that would help to keep these facilities clean and safe for those who legitimately want to use them?
I know you want the site to be attractive and welcoming to newcomers Souza, but reading this sort of stuff makes me feel a bit like we've moved into a new and unknown neighbourhood and we're leaving all our doors and windows open!
I urge people to use common sense and caution and take your warnings to heart.
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I only welcome members who sign up on the forum because are the ones that are really interested in searching about Michael's death hoax clues, I don't usually interact with members on the hoaxbook except with the ones I know from the forum and that undesirable VV who was stalking me night and day. On the other hand I don't understand why new members who are posting on the hoaxbook don't post on the forum, if they are posting on the MJHFI hoaxbook is because they are attracted by MJ's death hoax, aren't they? so why don't post on the forum? it's something very strange that makes me wonder why and if they are legit or not. :confused:
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:moonwalk_:
More help is needed. I originally posted this on the Hoaxbook side but more attention is required. This is something we all can be united over. It doesn't matter what I believe or what other fans believe regarding whether or not MJ hoaxed his death. I have my truth and that is not relevant at this point.
It is very serious and very dangerous for the many fans who are being duped.
Please for the vulnerable people let's stop this now. :moonwalk_:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxbook/groups/topic/view/group_id/18/topic_id/26/post_id/749
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/j9pcv7
Tony Foote (@TheUpperFoot)
Posted Friday 14th September 2012 from Twitlonger
For all you crew… this one’s for you.
First – who is the crew? These 12 names, as near as I can tell:
@JackieBlue64xxx, @ApplePieAlchemy, @LaurenceDupras, @ValentinaGalina, @GoldNLotus, @Handsonthetruth, @Cosmic_cheri, @SageDeAmour, @mjlover4eva, @Peacock2012, @MJIntrigue2012, @robin_cee.
Other possible crew, or junior crew, or even just supporters:
@MCristinaBaldin also as @Nefy1956, @undermj, @Thriller_Wolf, @celmj17, @juliegannon, @carmelina919, @Lilwendymjhd, @ScarlettCarson2, @59Pascaline, @BoMJBelle, @LOVEMARY18, @Peas_Frog, @fenicemjj, @OnlyRealTink, @aliceverdino, @DonnaLAvila, @TraceyMcClosk, @MikeJBornAnew, @PuppetMJaster (who may actually be just another secret account of @DMovie27).
I know there are other people involved, but these appear to be the MOST involved. If anyone feels left out, I'll be happy to add you to the list. Likewise, if anyone feels they don't belong on this list, please let me know and I'll tweet that you have declared that you DON'T support what I'm about to detail here.
The reason for the spotlight on these people is: They openly support an account, known formerly as MJviva, ASMICHAELSAYSIT, ASMICHAELJOESAY and now @MJ_29AUGUST1958, which they believe to be Michael Jackson, and who has spent one year now parading around as him on Twitter, now with over 1,500 followers.
If you believe MJ faked his death, then it’s still a very big stretch to assume that he would ever openly appear on a social media site while still being “hidden” from the world. That would be lunacy for him, in the first place. If you reason he faked his death for some very good purpose, such as to avoid danger, first he would have entrusted quite a few close to him with this, and probably paid a lot of money to help keep the secret. Would he openly appear somewhere like Twitter, where someone could easily pay off some low-paid Twitter employee to divulge his IP address so they could find him? Would MJ betray all who are keeping his secret by being so irresponsible? The answer is – no, he would not.
Would he appear on a site such as Twitter and proceed to speak out against Hollywood, his family, the President? Would he declare that he didn’t have vitiligo that way? Would he openly state he never loved Debbie Rowe or Lisa Marie? Would he engage in “TP” sessions with people after asking them to show him their photo? Would he tell fans to go to hell, and would he openly tell a woman she should be thrashed and beaten? The answer is – no, he would not.
Michael Jackson, if alive, would never set foot here and try to engage with people. It would be a disaster for him. The community of online fans needs to embrace this. And then do its level best to shoo away anyone who appears to be pulling off an impersonation. If you fear you might be shooing away the real Michael Jackson – well, shoo him away. He, of all people, should know better! Some of the impersonators sound cuddly and friendly, so what’s the harm? The harm is in KNOWING THEY ARE IMPERSONATING MICHAEL JACKSON. That is all anyone needs to know before they proceed to get rid of him. Or her.
It is all too tempting to stage an impersonation for anyone who wants to gain attention. And they can do it SO EASILY here, too! I’ve had people send me DMs asking me if I’M Michael! People are openly hunting for him! So hey, little girl, look… it’s me, Michael Jackson, tweeting at you on magical Twitter! Wheeee! C’mon and let’s have some fun! Hee hee hee!
Fraud doesn’t have to be for money or material gain. So many commit fraud just for personal satisfaction. EVERY SINGLE PERSON ONLINE since June 25, 2009 who claims to be, or hints to be, Michael Jackson, is a fraud and needs to be eliminated from the system. As a community, the fans need to watch each other’s backs here, and this is very important.
What’s the harm? Well, first, what if someone made a Twitter account and decided to be YOU? You wouldn’t have a problem with that? Do you trust complete strangers to properly comport themselves “as” Michael Jackson and never do any wrong to anyone? Realize that the very first thing they’ve done is wrong, the decision to impersonate him. Every single thing they do after that is immediately suspect. No one claiming to be or hinting to be Michael Jackson online should be trusted or supported for any reason.
Not even because you enjoy it or just like it or think it’s fun. Maybe some of you like watching AMSI’s antics, saying surprising things, or just telling you all how he loves you, or watching him tell people off, the president, Oprah, Jackson family, or even Twitter fans who disagree with him and challenge him. Is he speaking “truth”? No, he’s here, wasting people’s time, he’s here, doing something illegal, and he’s here, doing his level best to ruin the image of Michael Jackson. Do you realize there are a great many people who STILL believe AMSI is him – but that he’s such an asshole, they no longer want anything to do with Michael Jackson anymore?
What this leads to is this: If you openly support this account, or any other fraudulent impersonator account, you are then guilty of fraud as an accomplice. If you help a bank robber, you are tried as a bank robber. If you help someone who beat someone up, you are tried for the crime of assault. If you help someone pull off a fraud, then YOU are guilty of fraud.
That is how everyone needs to look at this. If a bank robber does a cute little dance while he’s robbing the bank, is he less guilty? No, of course he’s not. If he charms you and you’re swept away by that charm and you help him get away with his crime, are you considered at fault? Yes you are. Absolutely.
So all of you supporting this AMSI account are guilty of fraud. You need to face that. Eyes are on you. Do you really want to feel the hot breath of an angry mob on your face? This is not fun and games, and most of all, this is NOT helping Michael. It is most definitely, 100% assuredly, hurting him. It doesn't matter if you agree with that or not; it's still fraud.
Some of you crew appear to be quite religious. Did you read my blog and see the connections to Doug’s earlier writings about Michael being “the chosen one”? Well, religious ones, does your Bible say a single thing about Michael Jackson being a religious figure? He was a song and dance man, mostly. He was not a politician, he was not a lifelong giver like Mother Theresa or the Dalai Lama. He was an entertainer. He did a lot of good things in is life, but he never aspired to being a Messiah and he would have laughed at the idea. For anyone to suggest that Michael is coming back to fight evil on this world as a new Messiah, is sacreligious. Go ahead, go ask your pastor, reverend, rabbi, whomever, what he thinks of that.
Because that IS a part of the entire scheme here. Maybe you didn’t read my blogs about this because you thought I was attacking your friend, someone who’s been nice to you, someone who has praised you and endeavored to “teach” you. What I posted in my blog, along with my own commentary, was actual copy and paste of Steven C. Douglas’s actual words, which included his talk about first John Lennon, and then no, not John Lennon, Michael Jackson, being the Chosen One. What do you think a Chosen One IS? He is either trying to get you to believe this line of thought, OR, he is subtly working to establish that MJ is a Chosen One… chosen by the elite, the illuminati, to do THEIR bidding. I still feel there’s a good chance that “Doug” is not a real MJ fan after all, since so much of what I’ve seen him doing seems to undermine him in so many ways, as he presents it “with L.O.V.E.”
Let me ask you this: Did Doug tell you, any of his “friends” here about his little film he made? He’s asking you to go inspect films for clues; he’s asking you to trust his judgment as some type of an expert. He posted about ten clips of his film back in January on another YouTube account, Changethegameent1. Did he share the links to these clips with ANY of you, his “friends”?
Did any of you “good friends” even know his first name is actually Steven? Did he ever share a photo of himself? …I didn’t think so.
You don’t believe Doug is AMSI? Of COURSE he won’t say so, he will deny it. And I’ve already made these points in my blog, but you must be aware that back around last November, AMSI tweeted out several names whose pages he endorsed: Twiggy, Pearl Jr., Pianogames, TNZ and DMovie27. Several more times he specifically mentioned DMovie27’s page. NONE of the other people ever endorsed AMSI back, in fact other than Pianogames who seems to no longer be around, the others outright spat back at him for daring to speak their names in any context.
And certainly Doug made a big deal about being endorsed, like he had been divinely anointed. Did he ever actually have a conversation with AMSI during most of that time, until recently? No. And why wouldn’t a wannabe filmmaker who had been endorsed by Michael Jackson actually even converse with him when he had so much opportunity to? Why did “they” only choose to converse with each other after I had pointed out that they never did so before?
And then you see Doug/AMSI slowly working to undermine the other “hoax investigators” so that he can be “the one, the only one endorsed by Michael Jackson himself.” Some guy with very little to show for his life but a crappy little film with no artistry to it at all – you are all TRUSTING him so much that you’ll stake your own reputations behind him? Someone whose actual name you never even knew?
Go try to explain that to one of your real-life friends and see how ridiculous you feel even by the second sentence.
I have more anecdotes from people, more of Doug’s own words, more things to share. And I will keep sharing them until enough people finally get the idea. And I will encourage everyone to demand that the people responsible for this are called to account for it.
Meanwhile, the anger for what he’s doing is building. And it’s about time those of you who share the blame for promoting this abomination posing as Michael Jackson, to finally accept the responsibility for it. This community not only needs to help get rid of AMSI – it needs to help get rid of people who have so stupidly misplaced your trust in someone you barely even knew, and who has been lying to you about his “teaching credentials” as “someone who knows,” and who has been overtly abusive to people you once considered friends.
I would ask you to please re-read my blog http://hoaxcrispies.wordpress.com and go ahead and skip over the parts where I’m making fun of him, and just look for the content there that belongs to him, his own words, and really ask yourself if this is someone you would lay down your own reputation for. Many of you are “hidden” behind a Twitter moniker and no one knows who you really are there – but YOU know who it is tweeting there. YOU know who you are, YOU are responsible for your own output on the site, and YOU have to live with knowing this man has hurt other people, AND MICHAEL JACKSON, with what he’s doing there.
If you continue to support him, then you deserve whatever rain falls upon you from other fans. And if he is actually dangerous as I feel is highly possible (because why is he doing it in the first place?), you may be also tracked down by the FBI or Homeland Security or the Secret Service and asked to testify -- or even be looked upon as an accomplice. Do you think even the slightest possibility of that happening is worth standing behind this virtual stranger whose tweets and praise you seem to enjoy?
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Wow - still problems? I sure hope that people become a little wiser in who they associate with on the Internet.
Blessings to you. Thanks for sharing.
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@Iam_convicedmjalive.... so then we can discard that Front is MJ, can we?
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@Iam_convicedmjalive.... so then we can discard that Front is MJ, can we?
No sweetswingset. Front is in a category all by himself. This other situation happening is regarding a FRAUD posing as MJ:The reason for the spotlight on these people is: They openly support an account, known formerly as MJviva, ASMICHAELSAYSIT, ASMICHAELJOESAY and now @MJ_29AUGUST1958, which they believe to be Michael Jackson, and who has spent one year now parading around as him on Twitter, now with over 1,500 followers.
This FRAUD on twitter is endorsing another FRAUD named Dmovie27. There is history from over 2 years ago regarding what Dmovie27 has done and continues to do. I understand it is confusing.
Really what is needed here is awareness and more awakening to the fact that the potentially dangerous aspect of MJ's hoax is this!
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Thanks Iam_convicedmjalive
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@Iam_convicedmjalive.... so then we can discard that Front is MJ, can we?
No sweetswingset. Front is in a category all by himself. This other situation happening is regarding a FRAUD posing as MJ:The reason for the spotlight on these people is: They openly support an account, known formerly as MJviva, ASMICHAELSAYSIT, ASMICHAELJOESAY and now @MJ_29AUGUST1958, which they believe to be Michael Jackson, and who has spent one year now parading around as him on Twitter, now with over 1,500 followers.
This FRAUD on twitter is endorsing another FRAUD named Dmovie27. There is history from over 2 years ago regarding what Dmovie27 has done and continues to do. I understand it is confusing.
Really what is needed here is awareness and more awakening to the fact that the potentially dangerous aspect of MJ's hoax is this!
Yes but if Front is Michael he is exposing his IP address unless he uses a proxy that I don't know if it's feasible in order to be able to post on the forum.
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@Iam_convicedmjalive.... so then we can discard that Front is MJ, can we?
Tony Foote
Michael Jackson, if alive, would never set foot here and try to engage with people. It would be a disaster for him. The community of online fans needs to embrace this. And then do its level best to shoo away anyone who appears to be pulling off an impersonation. If you fear you might be shooing away the real Michael Jackson – well, shoo him away. He, of all people, should know better! Some of the impersonators sound cuddly and friendly, so what’s the harm? The harm is in KNOWING THEY ARE IMPERSONATING MICHAEL JACKSON. That is all anyone needs to know before they proceed to get rid of him. Or her.
It is all too tempting to stage an impersonation for anyone who wants to gain attention. And they can do it SO EASILY here, too! I’ve had people send me DMs asking me if I’M Michael! People are openly hunting for him! So hey, little girl, look… it’s me, Michael Jackson, tweeting at you on magical Twitter! Wheeee! C’mon and let’s have some fun! Hee hee hee!
Fraud doesn’t have to be for money or material gain. So many commit fraud just for personal satisfaction. EVERY SINGLE PERSON ONLINE since June 25, 2009 who claims to be, or hints to be, Michael Jackson, is a fraud and needs to be eliminated from the system. As a community, the fans need to watch each other’s backs here, and this is very important.
It sounds like he would not support Front or TS who have both "hinted". How does he KNOW what MJ would or would not do...
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@Iam_convicedmjalive.... so then we can discard that Front is MJ, can we?
Tony Foote
Michael Jackson, if alive, would never set foot here and try to engage with people. It would be a disaster for him. The community of online fans needs to embrace this. And then do its level best to shoo away anyone who appears to be pulling off an impersonation. If you fear you might be shooing away the real Michael Jackson – well, shoo him away. He, of all people, should know better! Some of the impersonators sound cuddly and friendly, so what’s the harm? The harm is in KNOWING THEY ARE IMPERSONATING MICHAEL JACKSON. That is all anyone needs to know before they proceed to get rid of him. Or her.
It is all too tempting to stage an impersonation for anyone who wants to gain attention. And they can do it SO EASILY here, too! I’ve had people send me DMs asking me if I’M Michael! People are openly hunting for him! So hey, little girl, look… it’s me, Michael Jackson, tweeting at you on magical Twitter! Wheeee! C’mon and let’s have some fun! Hee hee hee!
Fraud doesn’t have to be for money or material gain. So many commit fraud just for personal satisfaction. EVERY SINGLE PERSON ONLINE since June 25, 2009 who claims to be, or hints to be, Michael Jackson, is a fraud and needs to be eliminated from the system. As a community, the fans need to watch each other’s backs here, and this is very important.
It sounds like he would not support Front or TS who have both "hinted". How does he KNOW what MJ would or would not do...
@MJonline-
This is the tricky part. Just like you came to know who MJ is and you can safely say that you know a lil something about the man regarding what you think he would or wouldn't do then you can make judgement calls like Tony has. I speak on how I think MJ would be and what he most likely would say. The man that I've come to know would not in any way shape or form say the things this poser says.
This isn't a contest to show who knows MJ the best. This isn't even a convo about TS/Front. That is not Tony's concern. As far as I know and remember TS/Front never even gave concrete evidence (sayin' it outright) he is MJ. The piece by piece reveal, he is still safe because it appears we here in hoaxland are truly the only ones who are watchin' what TS/Front have said. We connected dots from subtle clues.
That is the difference. I know your a sharp investigator and I encourage you to dig deeper into this.
Thank you and Peace
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I understand what you're saying, and the danger of these MJ poser/fakers, but what didn't sit right was this writer's broad sweeping generalizations. Why say them, and why not rather be more accurate. Sorry to nitpik. :) I wouldn't want to see a huge MJ fan based effort to get rid of Front and TS, like this guy calls for, since we've had lots of criticism of them in the past.
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I have thought many times about possibilities.... and one question i have pondered over and over again, what if someone comes on saying that some one is a fraud.... people jump quickly to defend....what if Michael himself came and signed on to let the community know without revealing himself that someone is a fraud? just a curious thought. it's possible but probably unlikely but with everything else, it's still a possibility.
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If you fear you might be shooing away the real Michael Jackson – well, shoo him away. He, of all people, should know better!
:moonwalk_:
There is a difference here regarding who is being outted as fake. This is about the online frauds on twitter who have followers being conned. This is about those online twitter frauds who are pulling vulnerable fans into believing that they are speaking with MJ. These frauds are no different than a predator offline offering a tidbit of hope and suking the victim into a world of pain.
TS/Front has never to my knowledge asked any fan to follow them nor asked any fan to give out personal info. There is a huge difference and that is why I have asked that as a investigator dig deeper and recognize the difference.
Thanks.
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@Im_convincedmjalive : thank you for sharing this info and links, I shared them too on the FB pages that I frequent...
I am glad there are people out there who make efforts to stop these fakers and posers! I've always been outraged and disgusted by those who play mind games! either just for fun or to make money out of the credulity of others...
I agree with @MjonMind that Front and TS do not fall into this category.
And even if nobody can be 100% certain of their validity, still, Front and TS are the only ones that were confirmed through family twits and other subtle signs. Plus the hoax-information that TS provided us with is extraordinary and Front's predictions, too!
If these 2 are also fakers, then they are the best and the cleverest so far! And sooner or later the truth will come out anyway, whether they are true insiders or just fakers.
And then regarding the "troupe" that is mentioned in the link above, posted by @Im_convincedmjalive , I hope that more and more believers/hoaxers/fans will soon start opening their eyes and also take action when they encounter people like these. The more we talk about them and expose them, the less courage they will have to continue with their frauds!
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I understand what you're saying, and the danger of these MJ poser/fakers, but what didn't sit right was this writer's broad sweeping generalizations. Why say them, and why not rather be more accurate. Sorry to nitpik. :) I wouldn't want to see a huge MJ fan based effort to get rid of Front and TS, like this guy calls for, since we've had lots of criticism of them in the past.
I agree with you MJonmind about this guy's sweeping statements, especially about what MJ would or wouldn't do. What doesn't sit right with me is a nagging feeling that he is doing exactly the same as the fakers in wanting a 'following' of his own. He seems to have become a part of the nonsense, albeit under the guise of warning others, he has a built himself a huge platform on which to perform, and is spending an inordinate amount of time on it.
I may be doing him a huge disservice, in which case I apologise, but I don't apologise for being wary about any and every one, and their motives, in the crazy world of 'social media'.
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I love you all but sometimes I just wanna scream. I said THIS IS NOT ABOUT TS/FRONT. I have stated that those 2 are NOT Tony's concern. IF you get stuck on his sweeping statement then you have failed 2 see beyond that and you have failed to recognize the message. Sweeping statements are made for a reason. Tony is NOT looking to single out who is a real informer and set them aside while calling out posers. IF you take the time to actually read Tony's blog you will understand what is happening.
I'm frustrated by fans getting hurt and it seems no one gives a damn. I'm not talking about you all here who have commented.
I love you MJonline, curls, and SimPattyK but IF you are expecting MJ to Bam (before that can happen posers who are causing harm to his rep and causing him to have to deal with this issue before he can safely return) then you will be waiting a long time.
This poser online is speaking out against Our American President Obama. Really think about why Paris said she supported Obama? To combat the possible damage this poser may have caused by saying crazy shit about Obama pretending to be the real MJ. That doesn't look good.
Please see beyond the words Tony said regarding his sweeping statement. I've been fighting this in twitterville for a minute now and haven't been active here in hoaxland. Seasons change and so do reasons. This is an effort that is HIGHLY important and needs to be handled. The hoax will not go on forever and it is time to move beyond that and do something besides trying to convince others MJ is alive or waiting on his BAM!
Thanks for listening and letting me vent.
Peace!
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I should've edited out all but the first sentence of MJonmind's quote, in order to be clear about what I was agreeing with. Maybe I misunderstood what MJonmind was refering to in the 'sweeping generalisation' comment. To clarify, I meant the 'what MJ would or wouldn't do' bits. I'm well aware that TS and Front are not in this category of twitter/online fakes.
@Im_convinced, I'd like to know how big an audience 'online posers' actually have for you to think they affect MJ's plans. I personally, am NOT going to be an audience for them by seeking them out to read what they're saying. If that means MJ won't Bam, so be it!
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curls-
I know you will be just fine whether MJ bams or not! lol But yes it is that serious. In twitterville posers gain followers and those followers have followers and so on. Damaging things being said by this poser get re-tweeted and re-tweeted. It is comparable to the ripple effect of an ocean. I didn't mean to come off so harsh (well jus a lil) lol but yes I do see this as harming MJ's return.
Some of the things this poser has said are downright rude. He has said that he thinks a woman should be beaten. I can back up what I say with his own words. This is comparable to the campaign set against MJ to smear his rep and turn the public against him by saying he is a pedo. This is not some lil thing that will blow over and go away on it's own. This poser needs to be taken out.
Thanks for listening.
BTW curls I don't stand behind just anyone's efforts. They ex: (Tony) really gotta be sayin' somethin' real. :michael_jackson-1135:
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Well you might be right, but with all due respect Im_convinced, I don't think you can say this twitter thing is comparable to "the campaign set against MJ to smear his rep and turn the public against him by saying he is a pedo." The whole world was subjected to that via the media for many, many years. A few gullible followers on Twitter is not the same.
At the end of the day we are all responsible for our own online activities and I still say this current attention being directed to fakers/posers and their opponents is adding fuel to their fire, and it most certainly won't "blow over and go away on it's own" while they are getting such reactions. Isn't that just the sort of attention they thrive on?
What happened to the advice to ignore these people? You can say it and give warnings till you're blue in the face but the sad fact is there will always be easily fooled/led victims online as there is indeed in 'real life'. I hope that doesn't sound heartless, but sometimes the only person you can take responsibility for is yourself.
And if indeed, MJ is bothered by this, far from hampering his return, the way I see it, his return would actually put an end to it at a stroke! I don't think a few twitterers (or whatever users of Twitter are called!) thinking he advocates the beating of women will stop him returning. He could just come out and set the story straight! If he's waiting for everyone to love and respect him, sadly I fear he'll be waiting forever.
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I love you all but sometimes I just wanna scream. I said THIS IS NOT ABOUT TS/FRONT.
I have stated that those 2 are NOT Tony's concern.
I understood that from the very beginning.
And I also understood that Tony wanted to be categorical about the idea that starting with June 25th 2009 , all the "Michael(s)" that we've seen were fakers and IMHO he's damn' right! !!
I fully support what he's trying to do and I admire his efforts of standing up against these posers!
I've always did it myself too, but unfortunately with minimum to ZERO results and all I received back were just attacks, insults and hate because the other hoaxers/believers simply ignored this and preferred to stay aside --> which is TOTALLY the wrong thing to do ! because this "ignoring" attitude is what encourages the fakers to continue to play-pretend they're Michael or someone from his family!
And I've always been frustrated by the lack of help and support from my fellow hoaxers whenever I tried to protest against a faker or another!! I spoke loudly about this on Facebook and on Youtube, and every time people simply shut up and didn't say a word! (with VERY few exceptions!)
Nevertheless, the only ones who DO say a word are those whom I expose and they respond by offenses and attacks, that's their only "defense" lol Another 'response" from this group of people, was to click massively on the button "Report" when I commented on the YT-videos of last Seven Words, so this way, my comments would disappear loll I think LSW was suspected to be MjViva at a certain point.. I don't know for sure...
But @Im_convincedmjalive, my point is that even if Tony didn't want to touch the subject "Front/TS", when someone talks about insiders, one cannot help but thinking about Front and TS too.
Which is why those who commented here felt the urge to emphasize on the differences! And one MAJOR difference between Front/TS and the category of "Michael(s)" is that Front /TS always spoke about Michael in the 3rd person, they never ever claimed to be HIM !! And second: Front/TS never asked anything from anyone! They never asked for personal photos/data, nor for money, nor for any kind of support!
In order to have a full , objective discussion about this subject, we need to make these specifications^^ and I think so having in mind the hope that maybe Front/TS are valid insiders that risk to be ridiculed and ignored by believers and why this? only because of these stupid mind games played by those fakers out there!! So that's why I think Front/TS should never be left out from such a discussion!
I'm frustrated by fans getting hurt and it seems no one gives a damn.
yeah, I know! me too! pretty much what I was saying above ^^
I love you MJonline, curls, and SimPattyK but IF you are expecting MJ to Bam (before that can happen posers who are causing harm to his rep and causing him to have to deal with this issue before he can safely return) then you will be waiting a long time.
You know, when I realized how "organized" these fakers are, I started wondering if maybe they are doing it on purpose! What if they are people sent to discredit the death hoax theory? What if these fakers are people paid by Michael's enemies (read: the media, Sneddon, TPTB, etc...) to fool around within the hoax community?
Just try to think from "their" point of view: "they" plotted to murder Michael. Michael managed "to out-think them" as he said it himself in that Sony speech, so he escaped by faking his death. What happened next? "They" probably were like in a WTF?-state of mind asking themselves: "who killed him because we sure didn't!" lmao :icon_lol: "They" must have burnt their heads out trying to figure out how he did IT! So "they" started investigating and discovered Michael's hoax clues pretty much at the same time as we did! So what do "they" do next? They try to attack and discredit Michael's plan and his fans/believers, by planting all these fakers among us! to make us fight and DOUBT of the hoax. because I could bet that many believers who realized they've been tricked by some faker, probably started to believe less and less in the possibility that Michael is alive. Probably they started thinking: "well if this "MjViva" (or whatever username it was) was just a faker, just a farce, maybe the whole death hoax theory is just a farce too!!" That's how I think these people are trying to discredit the hoax!
Besides this, I agree with what you say @Im_convincedmjalive, it's dangerous to have people believing in these fakers who spread all kind of absurd things that Michael might have said or do... by pretending they're Michael, it's like the media always said words that he had never said and invented stories that had never existed.
The hoax will not go on forever and it is time to move beyond that and do something besides trying to convince others MJ is alive or waiting on his BAM!
This phrase of yours puzzles me.
- What I understand from it is that you don't believe in the hoax, therefore you think Michael is dead and you also think of the hoax as of something that will soon be over, meaning that people would soon realize that Michael actually died. And in your opinion there won't be a BAM. Correct me if I got you the wrong way.
- I also understand that you think that we, as believers, are trying to convince others that the death hoax i true and that we want to make others believe that Michael is alive. Again, pls correct me if I understood you wrongly.
In case I am right , then my reply is this: I don't know ...probably there are hoaxers out there trying to convince people to believe in the death hoax. As far as I am concerned, I am present in the Hoaxland in a quest for TRUTH! Everything I post and everything I do, create, investigate is to enable myself to learn more and discover more about what happened!I like to interact with other hoaxers and exchange ideas and opinions with hoax investigators because this automatically leads to some kind of a team work or a brainstorming activity! I strongly believe in the power of the many! Alone you can find a lot! But TOGETHER you can find MORE and you can also verify if your findings are correct or if you went the wrong way!
I think most of the people present on this forum and/or elsewhere in the hoax community are looking for the truth! I very much doubt that anyone is actually trying to convince non-believers that Michael is alive. There may be exceptions though!
If others become believers after watching/reading/listening everything related to the hoax-investigation, it's not because someone wanted to convince them, it's because they used their own brain and reached their own conclusion.
Again, there may be some exceptions though! There are many people who are not used to think for themselves and who left themselves taken away by the hoax wave , just because they thought it was "fun" or "trendy", but not because they actually understood the clues or the reasons why Michael actually faked his death! And one can easily recognize this type of 'believers". How? These believers are those who today are 100% sure Michael is alive and tomorrow when they see ..let's say LaToya saying on some interview that Michael died, they immediately freak out. The next day when let's say Jermaine makes a slip up, or Paris twits something hoaxy, they are again 100% sure Michael is alive and this goes on and on. But even in their case, one can never say that someone convinced them! they are not convinced of anything actually! they just move here and there according to how "the wind" blows! Which is again a choice of their own! nobody forces them!
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So as far as I understand, Tony = TheUpperFoot , right? I ask just to be sure and not make any confusions...
As I said, I salute and admire the way Tony/@TheUpperFoot exposed the FRAUD that spread and infected the hoax community through all these fakers.
I respect the fact that he has a different opinion regarding the hoax and all the adjacent theories that we , as hoaxers, have attributed so far to the list of reasons why Michael actually faked his death.
One of these theories is Michael's fight against the Illuminati (be 'they" the media, the system/establishment/ TPTB, the Vatican, the Royalty, the Banksters & CO ).
According to @TheUpperFoot 's belief, there is no such thing as Illuminati and we, the hoaxers, are only bringing negativity to this world by talking about them and by associating Michael with this "conspiracy theory". He even claims that because we discussed the Illuminati theory , we are guilty for attracting people like the FAKERS he exposed ---> this is what bothered me the most in his statements (besides the mocking tone), therefore, I need to give a reply.
First, I will quote below his statements on this subject:
http://hoaxcrispies.wordpress.com/
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ILLUMI-WHAT-Y?
Now – just what is this community? Is it a collection of conspiracy theorists which is a sub-group of the larger Michael Jackson fan base? Some of the messages out there about the “hoax” have become so warped. As time has gone by, as people have wanted to add “clues” to the pile – they’ve also been trying to spell out a much more drastically diabolical theme. Did Michael Jackson fake his death to save his life? It seems like probably most choose this theory, because it speaks to necessity and “no choice.” All other options scream “choice” and “pre-meditation,” which would amount to massive fraud on the part of MJ and his family, friends, acquaintances, and anyone who’s been paid off to cover it up. So why did he need to save his life? Was it as LaToya put out there, that his life was in danger from people who wanted to exploit him and his catalogue? That ain’t no “illuminati.” That’s just a bunch of evil jerks.
But as you take the putty of all of this and keep stretching it – suddenly you’re faced with tales of 9/11 conspiracies and presidential puppetry and a vast landscape of things to worry about! THIS is the type of thing that really brings out the Steven C. Douglases of the world and into your little community. [/b][/size] They see a really ripe territory to settle in, and lots of fertile minds to plant their demented seeds into. I ask you, Michael Jackson fans reading this right now – IS IT WORTH IT? Is it worth anyone ending up worrying that this world is a dangerous place to live, and that there are evil conspirators hiding behind every tree and bush?? DO WE NEED THAT? For many, life is “hard enough,” and most of us would probably prefer to find much healthier, happier things within our all-too-brief time spent here. If we appreciate Michael Jackson – hopefully he represents the best of them to us from the way he lived and entertained and gave of himself.
What does it matter if there is an “illuminati”? I personally don’t care, nor do I even believe there really is one. I believe there are good and bad people, and I believe, as so many like to say here, that “the truth will come out.” THAT INCLUDES THE SO-CALLED ILLUMINATI. You can’t have so many people evilly consumed by a destructive agenda without having SOMEONE come along and out them! Somebody, somewhere, always says something to someone! An “illuminate” may tell his best friend, who tells another friend – or someone gets uncomfortable and blows the whistle – and pretty soon, someone’s looking into things. As we must live our lives on this earth and try to get by the best we can on it – it serves us no good nor purpose to believe there is THAT much evil out there to worry about. Even if the “illuminati” DID exist.
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If Illuminati didn't exist, if Illuminati and 9/11 were just "tale conspiracies" that hoaxers supposedly invented only "to add clues to the pile", as @TheUpperFoot stated, if Michael didn't fake his death to save his life, if there were no threats to his life, then the following questions logically emerge:
1. Why are there tape recordings with Michael speaking about being afraid for his life?
2. Why LaToya, Jermaine and other family members and friends, including his ex-wife Lisa Marie, stated that Michael had told them "they were after him", "they were going to murder him", "they were after his catalog"?
3. Isn't this ^^ a reason enough for a man like MJ to want to do something about it and save his life? The law allows it!
4. WHO framed Michael Jackson with the molestation trials?? and WHY?? did 'they" only want money from him? That was the cover up! They actually wanted him out of the public attention because he was becoming more and more 'dangerous" for "them", because he refused to play by their rules and even more: he never ceased to protest and expose them! That's why!
5. Why does Michael call Tommy Motola a DEVIL in that famous anti-SONY speech? because besides being after the artists' money, he also tried to destroy those who didn't comply with the music industry mafia rules --> that's what Illuminati do! and the Illuminati are devil worshipers! See the satanic rituals of the "Bohemian Club" from which the Bush family and other high profile figures are part of!
6. Who are "they"? Who are 'they" in the lyrics of the song "They don't really care about us", where Michael clearly lashes out against the system and the government and those who murdered Martin Luther King! Who are "they"? Are "they" simply "a bunch of evil jerks" as @TheUpperFoot suggested? or are 'they" some powerful people taking part in a large secretive organization ruling the world from behind the scenes, including the most "convenient" assassinates, like: Martin Luther King, JF Kennedy, Lady Diana and the list goes on...
7. Why dd Michael include Martin Luther King, JF Kennedy, Jackie Kennedy, Lady Diana in his videos/lyrics and concert-intros? Only because he admired them? really? Are we still that naive to think he did it only to express his admiration for these people? Isn't he also REVOLTED in videos like "They don't really care about us" (both versions, especially the prison version), "Man in the Mirror,", "We've had enough", and so many others!? Aren't this PROTEST songs against "they" ?? Once again: WHO IS "THEY"?? Only "some evil jerks" wanting Michael's money? I very much DOUBT it!!
8. Even more explicit: What does the EYE in the video "They don't really care about us" mean? isn't that one of the most EXPLICIT references that Michael has ever done to the Illuminati and their most popular symbol "the all seeing eye"?? or should we naively believe that eye was just a graffiti art on that wall? And Michael just "happened" to stand right beside that "art" and make a kicking-gesture with his elbow towards that eye? loll is this just "adding nonexistent clues"?? how much clearer could he have been??
9. Oh yes , he was even more clearer and more explicit than that ^^ Does the cover of the album "Blood on the Dance floor" ring a 9/11 "bell" ? NO? Oh was that also just some talented "art work"? coincidental too? yeah! Right! :icon_rolleyes:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/1993444218.jpg)
My conclusion: I believe there are many real CLUES and many other reasons for us to believe that Michael actually KNEW about the Illuminati and he purposely left signs indicating to whom "they" are to help people OPEN their eyes!! That's why "they" considered Michael a THREAT, that's why "they" always persecuted him in the worst possible ways!!
I also think it was exaggerated from @TheUpperFoot to blame the hoaxers for the presence of fakers because we discuss theories like the Illuminati and the 9/11 inside job!
IMHO there are 3 main reasons why FAKERS exist in the hoax community:
1. People didn't take OPEN attitude/action against them at the RIGHT moment!! The fakers were simply ignored and left to play their games undisturbed!
2. Some of the fakers are some very seriously DISTURBED in the head people.
3. Some of the FAKERS are planted on PURPOSE in the hoax community to DIVIDE, to create tensions, scandals, fights, etc...
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And to this TheUpperFoo why he cares so much conspiracy theories and call us lots of idiots', i find it strange that you take time to write about that topic. :icon_evil: :icon_e_confused: In truth it doesn't matter to me what the think. ::)
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I have thought many times about possibilities.... and one question i have pondered over and over again, what if someone comes on saying that some one is a fraud.... people jump quickly to defend....what if Michael himself came and signed on to let the community know without revealing himself that someone is a fraud? just a curious thought. it's possible but probably unlikely but with everything else, it's still a possibility.
:moonwalk_: :moonwalk_: :moonwalk_: Hey I'm Sayin' Hi Girl! :Michael_Jackson_smiley_by_red
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SimPattyK-
I respect that you took the time to go to the blog and at least attempted to find the hidden message there. I'm not sure IF you were around when we hoaxers here were challenged on our beliefs. I'm not sure IF you went through the rigorous levels? The levels that taught us how to defend our beliefs with solid proof. If someone challenges your belief system you should respond with rock solid evidence to back up your belief. The devil's advocate was there. :icon_e_wink:
I'm not going to debate the validity of the "Illuminati" with you because that isn't even the point. When you can see past the distraction I'll be back.
Peace.
And that was not a clue from me to say that Tony is the devil's advocate! :fresse:
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This is the serious nature of what these posers are doing.
http://peerabuse.net/celebrity-imposters-a-new-cyberbully/
And I suppose since I'm here typin' @SimPattyK- I'm correctin' your wrong assumption about me N my thoughts. My username is Im_convincedmjalive for a reason. Pretty hard to go against CONVINCED. Also I'm not implyin' that the hoaxers are only focused on convincin' others of the hoax. But that is a general statement because IF you really look @ where we are in the scheme of the hoax...
It is time to move forward and yes the community here does a good job of keepin' folks hooked on helpin' each other find clues. Clues lead us to our individual truths but those clues don't lead us to act unless we actually act.
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SimPattyK-
I respect that you took the time to go to the blog and at least attempted to find the hidden message there.
Oh? 'at least attempted"? And I didn't succeed? Wow! That must be very hard to get it, right? or maybe I am just simply stupid and I can't get it? like all the others who didn't take the effort to read that? Is that what you try to imply? or am I am just making a "wrong assumption" again? :icon_rolleyes: You really think we are all so stupid, don't you?
Well, then, will you please "illuminate" me/us as to what that "hidden message" might be?
Because I am sick and tired of being treated as an idiot just because I DO believe Illuminati DO exist!
Listen, if others like you and your friend Tony don't believe in their existence and the threat they represent, that's your problem, but you don't see me mocking you nor posting "hidden messages" in kilometrical blogs like for ex Tony's!
To me the message in the quote that I gave in my previous message is MORE than clear: @Tony/@UpperFoot is mocking us for talking about the Illuminati theory and the 9/11 attacks and he also blames us for the existence of fakers within the hoax community, which (if not hilarious) , it's the most absurd thing I've ever heard!
IMO there's NO hidden message there. On the contrary! It's very clear and also very rude!
I'm not sure IF you were around when we hoaxers here were challenged on our beliefs.
Do you have the impression that this is something NEW to me?
Do you have the impression that the beLIEvers' theories have been "challenged" ONLY here on this forum?
[ I've got news for you: HoaxLand EXPANDS a lot outside of this forum.]
Well then Be SURE that the answer to both questions is NO!
I'm not sure IF you went through the rigorous levels? The levels that taught us how to defend our beliefs with solid proof.
Wow! Seems like in your superior opinion of it all you see me as someone who must have missed some college degree! lol
Be SURE that wherever I've been present starting with the beginning of 2010, I've been through all the hardships or challenges ( call them "levels" if you like it better lol ) that all beLIEvers had gone through !
Be SURE that my previous post contains 9 points of solid proof even if you either choose to ignore it or you just simply deny it.
If someone challenges your belief system you should respond with rock solid evidence to back up your belief.
That's what I did in my previous post.
Where is your solid proof that backs up your belief according to which Illuminati don't exist? I didn't see it in Tony's post on his blog , neither in your posts here ! I only saw mockery! which is typical!
I want to hear your "rock solid evidence"- explanation regarding just 3 things:
1. What does the EYE in the video "They don't really care about us" mean and why does Michael do that kicking/hitting gesture towards it?
2. Who are "they" in the lyrics of Michael's song "They don't really care about us"?
3. Why did Paris twitted EXTENSIVELY about the Illuminati? Do you and your friend, Tony, also think Paris is just as delusional and idiot like we are, for believing that Illuminati is a reality and NOT just a "conspiracy theory"??
I'm not going to debate the validity of the "Illuminati" with you because that isn't even the point.
Well I believe IT IS actually the point whenever someone like your and/or Tony or someone else, ridicules and mocks this theory, I believe that what should follow is a serious DEBATE! Especially since Michael was CLEARLY pointing to the Illuminati on many occasions! this indicating also to the fact that this is one of the reasons why he faked his death! That is truly one major POINT!
When you can see past the distraction I'll be back.
Wow! it almost sounds like you do me a favor!
Should I also say "thank you"? :icon_rolleyes:
Well in my turn I'll tell you: when you can DEBATE and go past the mockery and this superiority tone, I'll be here!
Peace.
Yeah...
Always!
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Just curious, who are these people who are following these posers like LSW/MjViva/Dmovie27?
-They can't be the majority of MJ fans who think MJ was murdered.
-They can't be anyone from here who have fully studied everything from TS and Front, because they'd know those others aren't anything like that.
-This MJ hoax site was the one listed on TMZ site, and also the first hoax site on google, so they must have rejected Front/TS in favor of these other ones--deliberately for some odd reason. Maybe they were talked out of believing in Front/TS by a few out there as I have seen/read on other sites.
-It would appear some vocal people like Pearl Jr. are supporting some posers.
-If they are just a ton of people ONLY on twitter following the posers and not elsewhere, there has to be ring-leaders advertizing and spreading the false word. And who are these followers who don't even bother to check anything out? Like the types who believe everything the media says I'll bet.
Front verbally called out posers in some of his earlier posts, so it's not like he's been unaware of them from the start. I think MJ in long-planning this hoax would well have foreseen this issue coming up, because he dealt with so much crap/lies, jealousy, stealing, sabotaging of all kinds, ALL through the years.
What mostly convinces me of whether someone is legit is close scrutiny, opinions of others, time passing, but mostly trying to get as close to the actual words said as possible. Rather than just taking someone's word for something, which is second-hand, it's better to actually read what an offending person said for the best proof.
In Bonnie's blog, she thinks everything has been set up by Sony/AEG-- the dividing of the fans into 'alive' and 'dead', dividing the hoax groups up, stirring up controversy, and she believes Pearl Jr. is on salary, etc. Sim--she would likely go for your number 3. And didn't we wonder way back, if MJ wasn't behind the first crash of the site when MJ's close-up silly face appeared just before it went down. It seemed the Maestro was giving us challenges on every side, wiping out a lot of info and gains made, all the while narrowing us down to a very tiny group of die-hards. If you take this hoax as an ARG, it has become one slippery, wits-end, ultimate crazy mind-game. Front once said that if we didn't have strong faith now, we'd never make it to the other side, for all that's still got to happen--it's not for the weak.
Finally I would say that just like people cannot be convinced by someone else that MJ is either dead or alive, they just feel it deep down; the same with trying to convince them that a poser is not MJ, people just get entrenched, take sides and become hostile if pushed. The exposing information should be put out there, but force/pressure will likely not get the desired effect, just as Sim has experienced as she wrote above. But what do I know... :icon_redface: :icon_geek:
But overall, kudos to you Im_convinced for all your fiery zeal in trying to round up and expose the blights on MJ's name and reputation! Carry on! :smiley_abuv:
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SimPattyK-
I respect that you took the time to go to the blog and at least attempted to find the hidden message there.
Oh? 'at least attempted"? And I didn't succeed? Wow! That must be very hard to get it, right? or maybe I am just simply stupid and I can't get it? like all the others who didn't take the effort to read that? Is that what you try to imply? or am I am just making a "wrong assumption" again? :icon_rolleyes: You really think we are all so stupid, don't you?
Well, then, will you please "illuminate" me/us as to what that "hidden message" might be?
Because I am sick and tired of being treated as an idiot just because I DO believe Illuminati DO exist!
Listen, if others like you and your friend Tony don't believe in their existence and the threat they represent, that's your problem, but you don't see me mocking you nor posting "hidden messages" in kilometrical blogs like for ex Tony's!
To me the message in the quote that I gave in my previous message is MORE than clear: @Tony/@UpperFoot is mocking us for talking about the Illuminati theory and the 9/11 attacks and he also blames us for the existence of fakers within the hoax community, which (if not hilarious) , it's the most absurd thing I've ever heard!
IMO there's NO hidden message there. On the contrary! It's very clear and also very rude!
I'm not sure IF you were around when we hoaxers here were challenged on our beliefs.
Do you have the impression that this is something NEW to me?
Do you have the impression that the beLIEvers' theories have been "challenged" ONLY here on this forum?
[ I've got news for you: HoaxLand EXPANDS a lot outside of this forum.]
Well then Be SURE that the answer to both questions is NO!
I'm not sure IF you went through the rigorous levels? The levels that taught us how to defend our beliefs with solid proof.
Wow! Seems like in your superior opinion of it all you see me as someone who must have missed some college degree! lol
Be SURE that wherever I've been present starting with the beginning of 2010, I've been through all the hardships or challenges ( call them "levels" if you like it better lol ) that all beLIEvers had gone through !
Be SURE that my previous post contains 9 points of solid proof even if you either choose to ignore it or you just simply deny it.
If someone challenges your belief system you should respond with rock solid evidence to back up your belief.
That's what I did in my previous post.
Where is your solid proof that backs up your belief according to which Illuminati don't exist? I didn't see it in Tony's post on his blog , neither in your posts here ! I only saw mockery! which is typical!
I want to hear your "rock solid evidence"- explanation regarding just 3 things:
1. What does the EYE in the video "They don't really care about us" mean and why does Michael do that kicking/hitting gesture towards it?
2. Who are "they" in the lyrics of Michael's song "They don't really care about us"?
3. Why did Paris twitted EXTENSIVELY about the Illuminati? Do you and your friend, Tony, also think Paris is just as delusional and idiot like we are, for believing that Illuminati is a reality and NOT just a "conspiracy theory"??
I'm not going to debate the validity of the "Illuminati" with you because that isn't even the point.
Well I believe IT IS actually the point whenever someone like your and/or Tony or someone else, ridicules and mocks this theory, I believe that what should follow is a serious DEBATE! Especially since Michael was CLEARLY pointing to the Illuminati on many occasions! this indicating also to the fact that this is one of the reasons why he faked his death! That is truly one major POINT!
When you can see past the distraction I'll be back.
Wow! it almost sounds like you do me a favor!
Should I also say "thank you"? :icon_rolleyes:
Well in my turn I'll tell you: when you can DEBATE and go past the mockery and this superiority tone, I'll be here!
Peace.
Yeah...
Always!
Ya know SimPattyK-
I've given you the benefit of doubt many times over. You took something I said before out of context and viewed it as a personal attack. You are doing it again. The word attempted was meant to say that you at LEAST tried. Attempted unlike others.
Your way 2 sensitive. I will not go into any further discussion with you. Keep it in the closet sweetie.
How's that for mocking?
The original point when I brought this info here was to get more fans on board to protect MJ's good name. The point in my being here in this thread is NOT to debate whether or not the Illuminati exists. You obviously don't know me or my beliefs.
You do assume way 2 much.
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@Im_convincedmjalive: do no direct the discussion towards me. This IS really a personal attack.
And I am not over sensitive and I do NOT assume. I am just NOT as stupid as you seem to think I am!
Stick to the point of the discussion, which is Mj, Illuminati and Tony's accusations regarding the presence of fakers.
I am not interested in what you think about me.
And i am also NOT interested in talking about your previous (older) irony towards me.
Stick to the subject.
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You guys are both important members here. Please lets give the other the benefit of the doubt. You both know I absolutely LOVE discussion, debate, intensive investigation, and I value and admire each of you for your amazing intelligence, skills, and confidence--plus I know you both love MJ which is the most important to me personally.
I don't want to see either of you in a pickle with the admin and mods, so maybe we should just end the discussion on this for now. Thanks!
Actually I think I'm going to do a lock because it doesn't seem to be going in a good direction. (If Souza wants to keep it open then it can be changed.)
Im_convinced and Sim, blessings!