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Title: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: ~Souza~ on September 02, 2012, 06:20:12 PM
MICHAEL JACKSON
'This Is It' Promoters
Called Jackson a 'Mess'
(http://www.tmz.com/2012/09/02/michael-jackson-this-is-it-aeg/)
29 minutes ago BY TMZ STAFF

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Michael Jackson was "an emotionally paralyzed mess" who was "scared to death" leading up to his planned "This Is It" concerts in 2009, this according to newly obtained emails sent by the promoters of the show.

In the emails, obtained by the LA Times, AEG's Randy Phillips traded messages back and forth with AEG President Tim Leiweke. In one email leading up to the 2009 press conference to announce the concerts, Phillips wrote, "MJ is locked in his room drunk and despondent ... I (am) trying to sober him up."

Phillips said Jackson was "an emotionally paralyzed mess," that Jackson was "scared to death," and that Phillips and Jackson's manager had to dress him. The press conference ended up being very brief and very strange.

The emails were part of the discovery in an ongoing lawsuit between AEG and the insurance company that backed the tour ... which is suing to get the $17.5 million policy nullified.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: hesouttamylife on September 02, 2012, 06:45:49 PM
And if he was in such a mess, he definitely wouldn’t have been in the frame of mind to sit down with Branca and discuss a complex plan of business on June 17th as Branca proclaims.  Somebody is lying.  :icon_evil:  It will be interesting to find out who.  Furthermore, it is documented that Michael was not even at rehearsal on June 17th, the day he supposedly was rehearsing before meeting with Branca.  He reportedly did not even return to rehearsals until June 19th.  I have never, ever trusted AEG or Randy Phillips nor John Branca, though I will give credit to Branca for being uber slick and conniving as well as convincing. And yes, he has done some amazing things to appease the fans and win them over to his side.  Mission accomplished.  But there are too many “buts” associated with his return for me.  So I will be watching this like a hawk.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: paula-c on September 02, 2012, 06:47:51 PM
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The emails were part of the discovery in an ongoing lawsuit between AEG and the insurance company that backed the tour ... which is suing to get the $17.5 million policy nullified.



These last months of the year we will see several demands, And this is very interesting
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: hesouttamylife on September 02, 2012, 07:34:13 PM
So who sold leaked the emails?
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: bec on September 02, 2012, 08:34:19 PM
Bunk.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: bugsy on September 02, 2012, 08:44:01 PM
I haven't formed a complete opinion on this whole thing concerning the estate etc and so I'm still mulling over what i'm learning so far and what I am still looking at.

I do have some thoughts on the whole thing and I think it would be rash to think these emails are any more real than anything else.

Michael has been advocating for himself and other artists for over decade, and it would not surprise me if he set something up to make them believe he was in ill health so they would not question much on the day he 'died' was he at the rehearsals on the 17th? how do they know he was not there? were they all at the complex and saw that he was not around?

If he has had reservations about them, Meeting Branca might have been one of those moments of hush hush at the time and so someone could have claimed he wasn't there and made up the not being well, so he could execute his plans further.

I question a few things, did he bring Branca back because he needed someone he trusted to take care of his affairs? did he only dismiss branca so he could investigate the wrongs of the industry and those others involved which he would not leave his estate to them to manage in his absence?
 
Following the 'informant' who witnessed Michael in these states of wellness would be probably the best start place. especially on those times it was reported he was no at the rehearsal.

I have noticed a continuity of two time periods/realities the whole thing, and the question is, which one is real if either is real that is and which one is to be followed?

people are in two places at one, Michael being one of those people, two different story lines.

Maybe picking up one of those story lines and separating them and see where each of the two lead. The tricky part is actually untangling the paths and having a concrete complete story board for both, which bits connect to which path?

There is a lot of connected people at the top of these companies, connected to the media, to other places and the ends of the lines of these places seem to be involved in some bad stuff if not negligent.

as it says at the end of the green screen of the 10 dances "who's bad?"
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: RK on September 02, 2012, 09:25:10 PM
So they are saying MJ was a mess? That doesn't ring true. If anyone was ever comfortable on a stage performing in front of millions, it is Michael. He grew up on a stage. It is second nature for him.
Now the key words for me in this article are "scared to death". But pinpointing exactly what he was so scared of has always been my dilema.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: Truth_or_Dare on September 02, 2012, 11:56:30 PM
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The emails were part of the discovery in an ongoing lawsuit between AEG and the insurance company that backed the tour ... which is suing to get the $17.5 million policy nullified.

Isn't AEG also in a wrongful death suit with the Jacksons? This should help the Jacksons, shouldn't it?

I also like how the say they were discovered...why would AEG keep such proof MJ was in bad shape when they've been saying all along he was great?!

All lies!
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: MJonmind on September 03, 2012, 12:43:08 AM
Yes, remember Jermaine saying the MJ in the wheelchair pic was MJ deliberately pulling the Willy Wonka trick--pretending to be injured with a cane, and at the last second somersaulting to the audience's cheers.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: GINAFELICIA on September 03, 2012, 01:22:12 AM
I don't believe Michael was a mess. But I do believe he was capable of missleading Randy Phillips to think he was a mess.
BTW - there's something about that man that I just don't like at all.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: 2good2btrue on September 03, 2012, 02:11:40 AM
Phillips said Jackson was "an emotionally paralyzed mess," that Jackson was "scared to death," and that Phillips and Jackson's manager had to dress him. The press conference ended up being very brief and very strange.


He is talking about the TII Press Conference announcement in March 2009.  Its not the first time I've heard the story Michael was drunk...That's how they explained the delay and why he had a fall..(the black on his hands)

I read somewhere that Michael was really scared of the reaction he would get announcing another concert tour.  He wasn't sure whether the fans would still support him after the 2005 allegations.  He had been in hiding for four years and was so afraid of rejection and failure.

I will clarify, this is what I have read...not my opinion.


Michael Jackson 'was drunk' at This Is It comeback announcement
Lawyers for Dr Conrad Murray have alleged Michael Jackson was drunk at the announcement of his This Is It tour in London.


9:11AM BST 27 Sep 2011


Michael Jackson's news conference started 90 minutes late because the singer was unconscious backstage, Dr Murray's defence team have told a judge.
The claim comes as the Houston cardiologist is due to stand trial for involuntary manslaughter.
Dr Murray, 58, had been hired by Jackson six weeks before his death to act as his personal doctor while he rehearsed for his 50-night This Is It comeback tour.
His lawyers claim to have video taken backstage at the news conference in March 2009 in which it is "readily apparent" that Jackson "was under the influence".
However, the judge presiding over the trial has ruled against the footage being shown in court, deeming it irrelevant because it occurred months before Jackson died.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/michael-jackson/8791088/Michael-Jackson-was-drunk-at-This-Is-It-comeback-announcement.html

Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: MFFreedom on September 03, 2012, 03:36:46 AM
Mmh ... two versions:

a) he was held unconcious by handlers
b) it wasn't Michael Jackson after all 

 ;D
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: 2good2btrue on September 03, 2012, 04:51:33 AM
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Mmh ... two versions:

a) he was held unconcious by handlers
b) it wasn't Michael Jackson after all 

 ;D


Let's not forget that the siblings have supported the "Drug Addict" theory.  Why??  To make it more plausible and beLIEvable

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCwuhGyFlys
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCwuhGyFlys[/youtube]
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: katooooooo on September 03, 2012, 07:08:45 AM
I don't remember where I read that or see that (maybe in a hoax video) but doesn't one of his musician and friend died just before the O2 announcement and MJ learn that just before going on stage to do the announcement? If it's true, I would be a real mess too if I learn that a good friend of mine died...
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: blankie on September 03, 2012, 08:40:14 PM
    :(           

 
Is better  I not say anything..... :(
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: scorpionchik on September 03, 2012, 10:35:36 PM
Interesting new development of old story.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: MJonmind on September 03, 2012, 11:17:44 PM
Interesting similarities to the 30th anniversary concert of MJ's in Madison Square Gardens in 2001.
Frank Cascio is quoted by TMZ:

http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/13/michael-jackson-book-frank-cascio/
Quote
Michael Jackson took Propofol as early as 1999, a former manager claims in a new book -- and says Jackson was late to his 30th anniversary concerts because he was drugged up.
I remember reading elsewhere in great detail which I can't find now, how Frank had to totally bring him around to perform.  I think this is all a pack of hoax-lies, setting the stage for a long record/reputation of seeming irresponsible behaviour on his part about performing.

Yet in this video showing MJ throughout his performance there, he is spectacular!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s8kMQF6ZTI

Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: MFFreedom on September 04, 2012, 01:59:18 AM
He TOOK propofol or he WAS GIVEN propofol ... ?!   :Pulling_hair: same as dept created by himself or dept created by his staff without his knowledge ...  :Pulling_hair:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: 2good2btrue on September 04, 2012, 02:13:57 AM
Can I just say that even if all this is true, would you stop loving him?? 

I can only speak from my own experience here, but it all depends on the drug of choice as to whether you want to feel high or low...

Alcohol can give you bad lows, but when you have to, it gives you more confidence and a feeling of invincibility.

Alot of pain medication can give you a euphoric feeling even though they are supposed to make you feel drowsy and nobody would even notice unless you look into their pupils, which could remain dilated....Just my honest thoughts
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: For All Time on September 04, 2012, 06:23:52 AM
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Can I just say that even if all this is true, would you stop loving him?? 

I can only speak from my own experience here, but it all depends on the drug of choice as to whether you want to feel high or low...

Alcohol can give you bad lows, but when you have to, it gives you more confidence and a feeling of invincibility.

Alot of pain medication can give you a euphoric feeling even though they are supposed to make you feel drowsy and nobody would even notice unless you look into their pupils, which could remain dilated....Just my honest thoughts
Of course I would not stop loving him even if  there is a chance of any of this is true .But I can't imagine Michael drunk, not in shape enough yet to sing this stuff live and dance at the same time, having  strong signs of paranoia, anxiety and obsessive-like behavior.This is too much, really ..is something really wrong here.This are lies.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: hesouttamylife on September 04, 2012, 07:53:57 AM
I can imagine any adult a little drunk occasionally.  :LolLolLolLol: I just think they are over exaggerating a bit here.  Maybe Michael didn't want to rehearse that day and they tried to strong arm him.  Not gonna happen.  Michael from what I've heard could be stubborn when he wanted to. Maybe he just wasn't feeling it that day and they got angry.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: 2good2btrue on September 04, 2012, 08:16:05 AM
This is an extract from Jermaines book....

"When my brother took to the 'This Is It" podium to make his comeback announcement in London, I knew, watching in LA, that he was teasing 'the final curtain', but also that something wasn't quite right with him. His demeanor and lateness also caused comment in the press.

Earlier that same day Michael had learned that his dear friend and guitar player David Williams had died. He was shattered. David was an integral part of his signature sound, especially that guitar lick on 'Billie Jean'; he was one of those rare guitarists who can just lock into a groove. If Michael could hum it, David could play it. Perfectly. He was like keyboardist and musical director Brad Buxer, drummer Jonathan Moffett and audio engineer Michael Prince: my brother simply could not imagine doing a tour without him. Yet now he had to walk out on stage and announce his comeback, knowing David was gone. As ever, he was the consummate professional. He pulled himself together and put on his show face for five brave minutes: he walked out as the overexcited performer, said his piece, saluted the fans and left with a wave. However, he broke down in tears when he returned to his suite."

- Jermaine Jackson, You Are Not Alone MICHAEL Through A Brother's Eyes
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: suspicious mind on September 04, 2012, 09:34:13 AM
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This is an extract from Jermaines book....

"When my brother took to the 'This Is It" podium to make his comeback announcement in London, I knew, watching in LA, that he was teasing 'the final curtain', but also that something wasn't quite right with him. His demeanor and lateness also caused comment in the press.

Earlier that same day Michael had learned that his dear friend and guitar player David Williams had died. He was shattered. David was an integral part of his signature sound, especially that guitar lick on 'Billie Jean'; he was one of those rare guitarists who can just lock into a groove. If Michael could hum it, David could play it. Perfectly. He was like keyboardist and musical director Brad Buxer, drummer Jonathan Moffett and audio engineer Michael Prince: my brother simply could not imagine doing a tour without him. Yet now he had to walk out on stage and announce his comeback, knowing David was gone. As ever, he was the consummate professional. He pulled himself together and put on his show face for five brave minutes: he walked out as the overexcited performer, said his piece, saluted the fans and left with a wave. However, he broke down in tears when he returned to his suite."

- Jermaine Jackson, You Are Not Alone MICHAEL Through A Brother's Eyes


humm well i don't think in the beginning anything was being said by randy about anything  of this nature. but if it did happen for some other reason jermaine has just given them an excuse to say oh we misunderstood what was happening.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: paula-c on September 04, 2012, 09:51:40 AM
"drunk and despondent ", One who says this TMZ or Randy Phillips, one thing is to be sad and depressed by the death of a friend and  another being drunk.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: katooooooo on September 04, 2012, 10:29:51 AM
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This is an extract from Jermaines book....

"When my brother took to the 'This Is It" podium to make his comeback announcement in London, I knew, watching in LA, that he was teasing 'the final curtain', but also that something wasn't quite right with him. His demeanor and lateness also caused comment in the press.

Earlier that same day Michael had learned that his dear friend and guitar player David Williams had died. He was shattered. David was an integral part of his signature sound, especially that guitar lick on 'Billie Jean'; he was one of those rare guitarists who can just lock into a groove. If Michael could hum it, David could play it. Perfectly. He was like keyboardist and musical director Brad Buxer, drummer Jonathan Moffett and audio engineer Michael Prince: my brother simply could not imagine doing a tour without him. Yet now he had to walk out on stage and announce his comeback, knowing David was gone. As ever, he was the consummate professional. He pulled himself together and put on his show face for five brave minutes: he walked out as the overexcited performer, said his piece, saluted the fans and left with a wave. However, he broke down in tears when he returned to his suite."

- Jermaine Jackson, You Are Not Alone MICHAEL Through A Brother's Eyes


YESS!! That's where I read it :) thanks :D
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: hesouttamylife on September 04, 2012, 11:04:13 AM
And it wouldn't surprise me one bit if they didn't even have the compassion to ask him what was wrong and just "assumed" he was as they described him. Looking for the worse and faricating it to fit their agendas.  If there is a trial, certainly this information can be used to show how quick they were to jump to conclusions and not even consider Michael as a human being with human emotions just like everybody else or moreso than most.  :Crash:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: suspicious mind on September 04, 2012, 11:16:06 AM
humm in light of this it might not be a bad thing to go back to tii and listen to all the little testimonials from various people about how things were. :suspect:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: MissG on September 04, 2012, 12:28:33 PM
At times, people who suffer from bipolar disorder sound "drunk" when they talk (not that Michael was, that idk, but This Is It "penguin dance" always made me wonder)

Imo, if Michael was showing "weird" behavior patterns that day of the press conference, it could have been due to sadness as well.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: emulik on September 04, 2012, 01:32:06 PM
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Yes, remember Jermaine saying the MJ in the wheelchair pic was MJ deliberately pulling the Willy Wonka trick--pretending to be injured with a cane, and at the last second somersaulting to the audience's cheers.
exactly MJonmind! MJ is the master of playing with media, we already know it and in the and of all of this I hope media will feel very uncomfortable..he will get them, finally!  :ghsdf:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: emulik on September 04, 2012, 01:37:13 PM
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Can I just say that even if all this is true, would you stop loving him?? 

I can only speak from my own experience here, but it all depends on the drug of choice as to whether you want to feel high or low...

Alcohol can give you bad lows, but when you have to, it gives you more confidence and a feeling of invincibility.

Alot of pain medication can give you a euphoric feeling even though they are supposed to make you feel drowsy and nobody would even notice unless you look into their pupils, which could remain dilated....Just my honest thoughts

Of course I would not stop loving him even if  there is a chance of any of this is true .But I can't imagine Michael drunk, not in shape enough yet to sing this stuff live and dance at the same time, having  strong signs of paranoia, anxiety and obsessive-like behavior.This is too much, really ..is something really wrong here.This are lies.
I agree with you! If any of my friend would have mentioned problems, I would not stop loving him/her! we are all humans and anyone can fall sometimes..
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: 2good2btrue on September 04, 2012, 07:21:08 PM
The more deeper we go into the rabbit hole, the more I feel Michael has been playing the media like a deck of cards.

They (media) will never know what hand they have been dealt with. !!!  What a clever man.

He can do whatever he wants and the paparazzi will buy it and fabricate it...

I thought this was really cute

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu7cEFNfkwQ&feature=g-vrec
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu7cEFNfkwQ&feature=g-vrec[/youtube]
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: blankie on September 05, 2012, 02:39:42 PM
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Yes, remember Jermaine saying the MJ in the wheelchair pic was MJ deliberately pulling the Willy Wonka trick--pretending to be injured with a cane, and at the last second somersaulting to the audience's cheers.
exactly MJonmind! MJ is the master of playing with media, we already know it and in the and of all of this I hope media will feel very uncomfortable..he will get them, finally!  :ghsdf:



Agree !!!!   :th_bravo:  :moonwalk_:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: suspicious mind on September 06, 2012, 09:19:05 AM
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At times, people who suffer from bipolar disorder sound "drunk" when they talk (not that Michael was, that idk, but This Is It "penguin dance" always made me wonder)

Imo, if Michael was showing "weird" behavior patterns that day of the press conference, it could have been due to sadness as well.

about that whole penguin dance thing. isn't there a part when doing that song where he sorta slaps the girl on the backside? i think he was basically just walking through that part. just a thought
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on September 06, 2012, 03:25:38 PM

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_FuLW2-EWA [/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSyQuAgncaI [/youtube]

THEY don't really care about Michael :icon_e_sad:, all they care is the money... those leeches  >:(
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: blankie on September 06, 2012, 04:59:49 PM
@ everlastinglove   THEY don't really care about Michael , all they care is the money... those leeches 

Agree totally.... :icon_mad:  and Michael can't defend himself...( in this moment  :icon_e_wink: )  :icon_evil:  Bad peoples... Michael  understood all .... :moonwalk_:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: MaryK on September 06, 2012, 05:05:48 PM
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@ everlastinglove   THEY don't really care about Michael , all they care is the money... those leeches 

Agree totally.... :icon_mad:  and Michael can't defend himself...( in this moment  :icon_e_wink: )  :icon_evil:  Bad peoples... Michael  understood all .... :moonwalk_:

Don´t you think he is in control? So no need to defend himself, right?
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: reveron1958 on September 06, 2012, 05:10:37 PM
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At times, people who suffer from bipolar disorder sound "drunk" when they talk (not that Michael was, that idk, but This Is It "penguin dance" always made me wonder)

Imo, if Michael was showing "weird" behavior patterns that day of the press conference, it could have been due to sadness as well.

about that whole penguin dance thing. isn't there a part when doing that song where he sorta slaps the girl on the backside? i think he was basically just walking through that part. just a thought

I have always thought the 'penguin' dance was THE oddest thing in This Is It. I just could not believe he put that ugly move into such a beautiful song. It was just  :icon_eek:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: blankie on September 06, 2012, 05:19:53 PM
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@ everlastinglove   THEY don't really care about Michael , all they care is the money... those leeches 

Agree totally.... :icon_mad:  and Michael can't defend himself...( in this moment  :icon_e_wink: )  :icon_evil:  Bad peoples... Michael  understood all .... :moonwalk_:

Don´t you think he is in control? So no need to defend himself, right?


You're right Mary, but I think he  is a little bit, little little bit , angry.. wait for his answers...  :icon_e_wink: :michael-jackson:



Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: hesouttamylife on September 06, 2012, 05:21:50 PM
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At times, people who suffer from bipolar disorder sound "drunk" when they talk (not that Michael was, that idk, but This Is It "penguin dance" always made me wonder)

Imo, if Michael was showing "weird" behavior patterns that day of the press conference, it could have been due to sadness as well.

about that whole penguin dance thing. isn't there a part when doing that song where he sorta slaps the girl on the backside? i think he was basically just walking through that part. just a thought

I loved that whole performance, especially at the end when he was backing off and telling her too follow him with those fingers.   :thjajaja121: She looked so perplexed like What :icon_lol:  I loved it even though I will too admit I thought it was the strangest thing.

I have always thought the 'penguin' dance was THE oddest thing in This Is It. I just could not believe he put that ugly move into such a beautiful song. It was just  :icon_eek:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: Truth_or_Dare on September 06, 2012, 06:40:09 PM
Within all this mess and all these "accusations" that make us think some people were not treating him like  human being, lets not forget ourselves that he IS/WAS human.
Of course none of us where there to see if he was drunk, paranoid like, an emotional mess, or  know what he's flaw as a human was, but he is human after all and none of those things are impossible.  People drink and get drunk all the time, even the best of people have their sidetracks; let's not forget he was haunted and had many leaches around him all his life; it's not impossible either to get a bit paranoid with this life style.
He was so "painfully lonely" ( his words ,not mind) that he walked the streets to look for friends, he cried his eyes out in hotels from loneliness...etc etc..he said all these himself. If all this happened, is it hard to believe he could have emotional episodes that might make him seem like a "mess"?

Just food for though..let's not forget he's human before anything else. ;)
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: paula-c on September 07, 2012, 10:03:39 AM
Off-topic, Harvey it's strange that you were not yet publish anything from this mess of emails that were leaked of AEG :icon_geek:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: suspicious mind on September 07, 2012, 11:40:40 AM
come to think of it , why is randy saying he is trying to get him out ,dressing him blah blah blah where the heck was thome wasn't he there ? wasn't he the manager? isn't this a managers place to manage your client?
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: curls on September 07, 2012, 03:49:34 PM
Ah yes, Tohme - we've barely scratched the surface with him IMO.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on September 30, 2012, 05:55:27 PM
MJ a mess.. Sounds to me like one of those good ol' red herrings that Mr J has been known to put out about himself...

To LTJ 'Im scared for my life
To LMP 'I'm going to die like your father'
To Paps 'I'm going to be dead in 6 mths'

A mere few examples amongst numerous instances.

I think it was merely 'conditioning' people for the hoax that was to come. I don't even think we (hoaxers) should get mad and defensive about it.


But JMO


EDIT: I mean MJ either deliberately put out this perception around that time to promoters, or that he leaked this story to TMZ. Take your pic, they both work for me  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: MJonmind on October 01, 2012, 02:54:50 PM
Reveron1958
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I have always thought the 'penguin' dance was THE oddest thing in This Is It. I just could not believe he put that ugly move into such a beautiful song. It was just


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKK3Fxufs-s[/youtube]
 
Sorry off topic, but I found this comment on this Youtube video and it makes the most sense to me, because there’s NOTHING accidental on TII, IMO.

Quote
you guys are dumb!!!!
he was doin' something like Fred Astaire...
type in youtube: Fred Astaire + Michael Jackson - Smooth Criminal [short film] HQ
look at 3.16 till 3.20
this movie gave MJ idea's for Smooth Criminal as well...
Alfons Janssens 2 years ago

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl9wsrl_CGA[/youtube]

Right before MJ does it he sings, "Get me out into the nighttime, 4 walls won't hold me tonight". Could he be doing the Fred Astaire move from the original dance film titled "Band Wagon" where he enters "Den Bones Cafe" at :21 whilst holding a bone.  Is MJ thinking about his own "dead" bones for the next day, and NOT being held by the 4 walls of TPTB and everyone's restrictions/controls (if this is on June 24)?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuJxYmJlEHY&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

Another off topic, but in the middle Smooth Criminal video at 6:21 Fred is dancing in front of a green door, which reminds me that the door of where MJ goes into after climbing out of the coroner’s van is also a green door, but maybe it’s just a coincidence. Yep…
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: SimPattyK on October 01, 2012, 04:26:13 PM
@MjonMind: regarding the explanation of the penguin dance ^^ I am (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Surpris/machoire2.gif) stunned! This is freakin' AWESOME!! (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Surpris/o_stupid.gif) and I am pretty sure it's the right explanation!! OMG! What an ingenious idea to render homage to Fred Astaire [which was "caught" by a fan, non-believer] and also use that particular sequence to suggest a moving skeleton/bones ---> meaning fake death!! [which was caught by a hoaxer!]  ---> Once again we have the double/multiple meaning of Michael's death hoax! this is ART in the purest form! it can be interpreted and appreciated in so many different ways, by so many different people! ---> this is what gives it Immortality!!
I've always wondered what was all about Michael's strange (new) moves and hand gestures in This is It! It always looked as some codified body language to me...and I hoped we could one day decipher all that!
This is fascinating! imagine if we took them all one by one and try to understand the meaning behind!

@MjonMind: you are an exquisite observer!! you caught that comment on YT and then made further hoax connections! just brilliant! (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Respect/respect-chapeau.gif)
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on October 01, 2012, 07:29:10 PM
@ mjonmind. Great post. I've missed you  :bearhug:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: MJonmind on October 02, 2012, 12:20:51 AM
Awh shucks! Thanks Sim and Aussie!  Now I can hardly wait to see the great pic collage you're going to put together, Sim! There's probably more to be discovered there. :bowdown::beerchug:  Like O-bee rapped about codes we'd like to understand.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: GINAFELICIA on October 02, 2012, 01:15:20 AM
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At times, people who suffer from bipolar disorder sound "drunk" when they talk (not that Michael was, that idk, but This Is It "penguin dance" always made me wonder)

Imo, if Michael was showing "weird" behavior patterns that day of the press conference, it could have been due to sadness as well.

about that whole penguin dance thing. isn't there a part when doing that song where he sorta slaps the girl on the backside? i think he was basically just walking through that part. just a thought

I have always thought the 'penguin' dance was THE oddest thing in This Is It. I just could not believe he put that ugly move into such a beautiful song. It was just  :icon_eek:

nuh....that's totally Michael, it's not an ugly move, it's just him doing what he feels like in that moment...really....
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: katooooooo on October 02, 2012, 09:34:50 AM
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At times, people who suffer from bipolar disorder sound "drunk" when they talk (not that Michael was, that idk, but This Is It "penguin dance" always made me wonder)

Imo, if Michael was showing "weird" behavior patterns that day of the press conference, it could have been due to sadness as well.

about that whole penguin dance thing. isn't there a part when doing that song where he sorta slaps the girl on the backside? i think he was basically just walking through that part. just a thought

I have always thought the 'penguin' dance was THE oddest thing in This Is It. I just could not believe he put that ugly move into such a beautiful song. It was just  :icon_eek:

nuh....that's totally Michael, it's not an ugly move, it's just him doing what he feels like in that moment...really....


Agree with you and i'm pretty sure he was making this move to the sound guys about something he didn't find ok...
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON 'This Is It' Promoters Called Jackson a 'Mess'
Post by: paula-c on October 02, 2012, 02:51:27 PM
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Reveron1958
Quote
I have always thought the 'penguin' dance was THE oddest thing in This Is It. I just could not believe he put that ugly move into such a beautiful song. It was just


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKK3Fxufs-s[/youtube]
 
Sorry off topic, but I found this comment on this Youtube video and it makes the most sense to me, because there’s NOTHING accidental on TII, IMO.

Quote
you guys are dumb!!!!
he was doin' something like Fred Astaire...
type in youtube: Fred Astaire + Michael Jackson - Smooth Criminal [short film] HQ
look at 3.16 till 3.20
this movie gave MJ idea's for Smooth Criminal as well...
Alfons Janssens 2 years ago

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl9wsrl_CGA[/youtube]

Right before MJ does it he sings, "Get me out into the nighttime, 4 walls won't hold me tonight". Could he be doing the Fred Astaire move from the original dance film titled "Band Wagon" where he enters "Den Bones Cafe" at :21 whilst holding a bone.  Is MJ thinking about his own "dead" bones for the next day, and NOT being held by the 4 walls of TPTB and everyone's restrictions/controls (if this is on June 24)?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuJxYmJlEHY&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

Another off topic, but in the middle Smooth Criminal video at 6:21 Fred is dancing in front of a green door, which reminds me that the door of where MJ goes into after climbing out of the coroner’s van is also a green door, but maybe it’s just a coincidence. Yep…


Quote
"Get me out into the nighttime

And that night that had a lot  movement of carts in Carolwood, he is was :icon_geek:




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