Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: Hotgirl1 on August 28, 2012, 10:59:16 AM
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Hello Family! This is my first jab at starting a new topic so please bare with me and do keep an open mind. With that said I would like to address something that I've noticed for a long time and have mentioned over and over to folks but oddly no one that I've seen so far talk about. What is this that I noticed you ask?.... Well, one day I was listening to the 911 calls for June the 25th and let's say I heard a voice that made me sit strait up, a voice that's very familiar and in my honest opine blows the whole lid off of this entire hoax or shell I say illusion. In the 911 call the dispatcher who answers the call sounded like Tito Jackson to me and I just remember 1. being in shock then 2. I bust out laughing. lol but I had to be sure so I went on youtube and I looked up the Jackson's reality show and I just wen back and forth back and forth between the two just stunned at what I was hearing. If you listen to how deep the voice is and the way that the operator pronounces his words plus the quirks in his voice compared to Tito's voice I believe you'll see what I'm talking about. I believe that they used Tito for this task because if you think about it for a sec he has a voice that's really different from the rest of the bunch even though you may have some of the brothers who you would say have somewhat of a deep voice one thing they seem to have in common is the fact that they all seem to be soft spoken but when you hear Tito his voice has more base to it and he's a member out of the group that you rarely heard from over the years until recently so to put him in this role his voice would be unrecognizable to most because he doesn't have that classic "Jackson" sound to his voice. :icon_rr: :icon_e_wink: So to rap this up I'm going to post two videos, one of the 911 call and one of Poppa T talking. Let's discuss
Here's a clip of Tito Jackson.
http://youtu.be/N4G-u7u7B3A
And the 911 tapes.
http://youtu.be/_9q57oKPjDI
Thanks for stopping in. :moonwalk_:
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That 911 dispatcher does sound very much like Tito. What a great observation. :icon_eek:
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Yes he does! :icon_e_wink: And I have talked to top hoaxers about this and it seems as though it falls on death ears, now maybe because everyone else is so focused on other areas of this hoax to care.....OR.....I'm bringing attention to something that someone don't want me to uncover at this moment in time. just saying
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I'll take a listen when I get home, can't open youtube at work. Thanks for posting!
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Interesting observation I haven't heard before, however though he sounds similar to Tito in tone, I hear a bit of southern drawl in the dispatcher that I don't in Tito.
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Great observation Hotgirl1,the voices sound very similar.How did i miss this?Wow! :omg:
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Yes that's true and if any of you are familiar with the mid west area of the U.S you'll find that a lot of those who are from that region have a bit of a southern drawl because of the southern migration. Also Mike himself has somewhat of a drawl himself most call his accent a Hoosier accent; most of the Jacksons i.e ( Rebbi, Jackie, Tito, Jermaine, Toy, Marlon, Mike, Randy, mmm maybe Janet...a little) have it think Joe and Katie Who are both from the deep south so quite naturally it could rub off on their kids..maybe not as much as it would if they lived in that geographic area of the country but if you listen to all of the Jacksons minus the grand and great grands you can hear it. :icon_e_wink:
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Yes MJ and his whole family have the same accent, but the black and white accents of the south are very different.
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:th_bravo: Great and interesting observation Hotgirl1.... :michael-jackson:
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here is a rare clip of the whole family in an interview in 1975
http://youtu.be/KSCgL4u2D44
I'll try and find more.
but I would like to reply to what the poster above said about white accents vs. black....ok first of all I'm from Michigan (Mid west) and I have family from the south and let me make this clear, race has nothing to do with it because it's not about the race of a person that determines how you sound it's 1. geography 2. how broad ones vocabulary is you have both whites and blacks who can be from the same region and both talk with poor english or you can have both white or black who talks with proper diction it doesn't matter so you can have a southern accent even if you have lived most of your life on another coast...yes it may not be as thick as it once was but it's just the way things are pronounced. hope you understand :icon_e_biggrin:
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I'll take a listen when I get home, can't open youtube at work. Thanks for posting!
equal :icon_geek:
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What's a southern drawl?
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What's a southern drawl?
It's when a person who is from the south or lives in a geographic region where they have sort of an accent when they talk some thicker than others. i.e "Hey yawl" - Paula Dean....She's an extreme example of southern drawl. :icon_lol: but some are very subtle.
here is another video of the Jacksons in an interview.
http://youtu.be/z5e1c9qNyt0
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Race has NOTHING to do with it, culture everything. I can tell black people from the south easily by a mile over white people talking. Why are you trying to make it as if I'm being racially prejudiced? They talk absolutely completely differently from each other. They have lived separately from each other for centuries. I LOVE the black way of talking with all my heart, strongly attracted to it! Why do you think I'm here, and love MJ?
Black culture, music, use of English--has literally profoundly changed everything in North America!
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I just got through listening to the videos in the very first post I posted in this thread and I'm just...wow it still hits me..that's Tito as clear as day. :woohoo2:
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Race has NOTHING to do with it, culture everything. I can tell black people from the south easily by a mile over white people talking. Why are you trying to make it as if I'm being racially prejudiced? They talk absolutely completely differently from each other. They have lived separately from each other for centuries. I LOVE the black way of talking with all my heart, strongly attracted to it! Why do you think I'm here, and love MJ?
Madam I didn't make it a race issue, as I recall from your post you brought that up not me and being that the Jacksons are Black I truly don't understand why you needed to post that to began with. My responds to you was not to call anybody out as being raciest at all but to explain for those who aren't from our melting pot called the U.S.A who would be miss informed about something like that. So please let's keep it calm and enjoy the ride...I'm not here to fight. now moving along :moonwalk_:
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wow Hotgirl1 I mised that one THANK YOU we need to look in to this deeper!LOL
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wow Hotgirl1 I mised that one THANK YOU we need to look in to this deeper!LOL
My pleasure.
I'm happy that folks are willing to have an open mind and look further into this. :multiplespotting:
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So I was finally able to listen. Hmmm. At times, the dispatcher sounds like Tito and other times not so much so I'm not sure what to think. But definitely a possibility.
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I've been listening to the voices on the vids and they sure sound quite similar. The voice on the 911 call sounded slightly higher and faster though. I'm afraid that I can't contribute to the discussion about drawls 'cause being a European I don't know much about a southern drawl or any other drawls lol. It is an interesting observation and thought to look further into. Thanks Hotgirl1.
L.O.V.E.
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Something to think about for sure. :icon_albino: but think for a minute how differently someone sounds on a phone vs. in person but you can definitely hear Poppa T on the other end. :icon_albino:
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Thank you Hotgirl for explaining the southern drawl. I am not form the melting pot called the U.S.A., but rather from another melting pot (well there are so many of them out there!). I believe that in each and every country we can find these spoken dialects and accents. Sometimes people need to learn a language in order to be able to understand their own folks, like in India foe example. So many languages are spoken there and only two are official. It's amazing.
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Thank you Hotgirl for explaining the southern drawl. I am not form the melting pot called the U.S.A., but rather from another melting pot (well there are so many of them out there!). I believe that in each and every country we can find these spoken dialects and accents. Sometimes people need to learn a language in order to be able to understand their own folks, like in India foe example. So many languages are spoken there and only two are official. It's amazing.
no problem. :icon_e_smile:
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I don't know, can be
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I don't know if Tito was the 911 operator or not but I do know that the Security guy I talked to when I called Paris's # sounded a whole lot like the 911 operator. For what it's worth.
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I don't think it is, it has a different depth to it, even on the phone the guys voice has that lack of "thickness" to his voice, I don't know another word to explain what I hear.
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I don't think it is, it has a different depth to it, even on the phone the guys voice has that lack of "thickness" to his voice, I don't know another word to explain what I hear.
I agree, and description of lack of "thickness" is exactly what came to my mind also.
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well I hear Tito in that voice, Tito has a cool velvety voice I don't know if a voice can be thick lol but tone, pitch and base fits Titos to a "T" pun intended :icon_e_wink: I ask everybody to please don't sleep on this like I said it's worth keeping an eye on.
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Warm loving wishes on your Birthday Michael :O)
Hope you and the kids are having a great day
Lots of love and hugs from my family to yours.
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well I hear Tito in that voice, Tito has a cool velvety voice I don't know if a voice can be thick lol but tone, pitch and base fits Titos to a "T" pun intended :icon_e_wink: I ask everybody to please don't sleep on this like I said it's worth keeping an eye on.
I assure you, I have not 'slept' on it.
I extracted tito's voice from different recordings, I added whited noise, even changed it so it sounded like it was on a telephone call. I got words such as "way" from both the 911 and a clipping of his and looked at the patterns of the voices. I even smoothed out the white noise of the 911 call as much as possible and tried bringing the voice to as normal non telephone sounding as possible. I spent over 3 hours doing this, looking for things the same.
The operator either has a cold at the time of call or he naturally speaks with what sounds like a blocked nose of sinus's closer to how jermain sounds with that blocked nose kind of speech.
There is not a way to drop the BASE or as I like to GRAPHICALLY look at tones and pitches.. Thickness. I describe how I see the graphic equalizer in my head, I either see thinner layers which make a much sharper voice or I see many layers which thicken the voice, which I feel is different to how deep the voice is.
Sounds have more than just pitch, base and tone just like we have more than a heart, lungs and Brain.
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do you mind making a an video or audio to share this with the thread? Thanks
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do you mind making a an video or audio to share this with the thread? Thanks
Ok
interview with tito which I changed to sound like on a telephone http://yourlisten.com/channel/content/16911535/tj?rn=86dsmfzkepz4
911 call that has alberto taken out of it so it's just the operator... http://yourlisten.com/channel/content/16911536/audio_clip?rn=2f32epi7w6qo
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well I hear Tito in that voice, Tito has a cool velvety voice I don't know if a voice can be thick lol but tone, pitch and base fits Titos to a "T" pun intended :icon_e_wink: I ask everybody to please don't sleep on this like I said it's worth keeping an eye on.
I assure you, I have not 'slept' on it.
I extracted tito's voice from different recordings, I added whited noise, even changed it so it sounded like it was on a telephone call. I got words such as "way" from both the 911 and a clipping of his and looked at the patterns of the voices. I even smoothed out the white noise of the 911 call as much as possible and tried bringing the voice to as normal non telephone sounding as possible. I spent over 3 hours doing this, looking for things the same.
The operator either has a cold at the time of call or he naturally speaks with what sounds like a blocked nose of sinus's closer to how jermain sounds with that blocked nose kind of speech.
There is not a way to drop the BASE or as I like to GRAPHICALLY look at tones and pitches.. Thickness. I describe how I see the graphic equalizer in my head, I either see thinner layers which make a much sharper voice or I see many layers which thicken the voice, which I feel is different to how deep the voice is.
Sounds have more than just pitch, base and tone just like we have more than a heart, lungs and Brain.
I'm sorry for being slow on that one, but what is it that you are exactly saying? :confused:
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I think the despatch call center would have to be in it...and I don't think that would be feasible.
There are records of the call, so unfortunately, what you are saying, is too complicated. The lesser people in on it, the better.....I feel there would be no reason to fake a 911 call.....if we believe that no records would be kept, then we are kidding ourselves.
What was it that TS said once about keeping a secret?? This is my opinion, so please don't jump on me for it. Total respect to all wonderful theories.
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well I hear Tito in that voice, Tito has a cool velvety voice I don't know if a voice can be thick lol but tone, pitch and base fits Titos to a "T" pun intended :icon_e_wink: I ask everybody to please don't sleep on this like I said it's worth keeping an eye on.
I assure you, I have not 'slept' on it.
I extracted tito's voice from different recordings, I added whited noise, even changed it so it sounded like it was on a telephone call. I got words such as "way" from both the 911 and a clipping of his and looked at the patterns of the voices. I even smoothed out the white noise of the 911 call as much as possible and tried bringing the voice to as normal non telephone sounding as possible. I spent over 3 hours doing this, looking for things the same.
The operator either has a cold at the time of call or he naturally speaks with what sounds like a blocked nose of sinus's closer to how jermain sounds with that blocked nose kind of speech.
There is not a way to drop the BASE or as I like to GRAPHICALLY look at tones and pitches.. Thickness. I describe how I see the graphic equalizer in my head, I either see thinner layers which make a much sharper voice or I see many layers which thicken the voice, which I feel is different to how deep the voice is.
Sounds have more than just pitch, base and tone just like we have more than a heart, lungs and Brain.
I'm sorry for being slow on that one, but what is it that you are exactly saying? :confused:
If i knew more specifically to which bit I need to clarify it would be easier for me to explain. I find it difficult to translate the thoughts in my head onto paper/forums/messages and so fourth
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thanks for the links, to me it still sounds the same even though you made one of them to sound like it's on the phone. Of course it would sound different because the sound quality isn't the same. And as for the comment about the dispatcher did you know that there is four different versions of the 911 call? yep that's right (4)
http://youtu.be/_N3WuWBORT8
Now for us all to beLIEve this is a "great adventure" an "Illusion" a "Production" and last but not least a "Hoax" you have to keep in mind that anything and anyone i.e. municipal agencies can be used but think about this (and leilani81 this is not a dig at you so please don't be offended) if leilani81 can alter a sound bite of Tito's voice to sound as though he was on a phone than what makes you think they can't use him and other sound technologies to create the illusion of a 911 call? they do it everyday it's called movie magic...just look at your tv crime shows and ER dramas they have the same effect as this 911 call and they even use actual call centers for authenticity just look at the fact that the " LA Medical examiner" is the same guy that is used for "CSI" and other tv shows as an adviser. :icon_e_wink: So to think that his immediate family would not be in on this in my opinion would be foolish. just saying. If you look at all the hoax videos that are out there with the family and some friends/ associates it's quite clear who's in on it. but I respect your comments and I encourage everyone to please opine opine opine. Let's discuss
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thanks for the links, to me it still sounds the same even though you made one of them to sound like it's on the phone. Of course it would sound different because the sound quality isn't the same. And as for the comment about the dispatcher did you know that there is four different versions of the 911 call? yep that's right (4)
http://youtu.be/_N3WuWBORT8
Now for us all to beLIEve this is a "great adventure" an "Illusion" a "Production" and last but not least a "Hoax" you have to keep in mind that anything and anyone i.e. municipal agencies can be used but think about this (and leilani81 this is not a dig at you so please don't be offended) if leilani81 can alter a sound bite of Tito's voice to sound as though he was on a phone than what makes you think they can't use him and other sound technologies to create the illusion of a 911 call? they do it everyday it's called movie magic...just look at your tv crime shows and ER dramas they have the same effect as this 911 call and they even use actual call centers for authenticity just look at the fact that the " LA Medical examiner" is the same guy that is used for "CSI" and other tv shows as an adviser. :icon_e_wink: So to think that his immediate family would not be in on this in my opinion would be foolish. just saying. If you look at all the hoax videos that are out there with the family and some friends/ associates it's quite clear who's in on it. but I respect your comments and I encourage everyone to please opine opine opine. Let's discuss
lets just call it a difference of hearing?
one thing to keep in mind.
There will be a master recording. Media outlets will and can alter recordings by editing words out, I only heard the first two versions because i have things i need to do right now but from what I have heard, the "main" structure is the same, but there is additional and subtracted sentences which as you can see from me taking away alberto almost completely.. can and does happen.
The media is lies. That is the most simple thing, they control what we see and hear, no source is concrete evidence, even video camera stuff can be edited to remove things, the only way to know the whole truth is to speak with those who were there at the time to know if it's raw footage.
everything is subjective and unless someone has Almost 5,000 to buy a biometrics software to compare the voices, i guess it's one that can not really be confirmed or be debunked in it's entirety
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thanks for the links, to me it still sounds the same even though you made one of them to sound like it's on the phone. Of course it would sound different because the sound quality isn't the same. And as for the comment about the dispatcher did you know that there is four different versions of the 911 call? yep that's right (4)
http://youtu.be/_N3WuWBORT8
Now for us all to beLIEve this is a "great adventure" an "Illusion" a "Production" and last but not least a "Hoax" you have to keep in mind that anything and anyone i.e. municipal agencies can be used but think about this (and leilani81 this is not a dig at you so please don't be offended) if leilani81 can alter a sound bite of Tito's voice to sound as though he was on a phone than what makes you think they can't use him and other sound technologies to create the illusion of a 911 call? they do it everyday it's called movie magic...just look at your tv crime shows and ER dramas they have the same effect as this 911 call and they even use actual call centers for authenticity just look at the fact that the " LA Medical examiner" is the same guy that is used for "CSI" and other tv shows as an adviser. :icon_e_wink: So to think that his immediate family would not be in on this in my opinion would be foolish. just saying. If you look at all the hoax videos that are out there with the family and some friends/ associates it's quite clear who's in on it. but I respect your comments and I encourage everyone to please opine opine opine. Let's discuss
lets just call it a difference of hearing?
one thing to keep in mind.
There will be a master recording. Media outlets will and can alter recordings by editing words out, I only heard the first two versions because i have things i need to do right now but from what I have heard, the "main" structure is the same, but there is additional and subtracted sentences which as you can see from me taking away alberto almost completely.. can and does happen.
The media is lies. That is the most simple thing, they control what we see and hear, no source is concrete evidence, even video camera stuff can be edited to remove things, the only way to know the whole truth is to speak with those who were there at the time to know if it's raw footage.
everything is subjective and unless someone has Almost 5,000 to buy a biometrics software to compare the voices, i guess it's one that can not really be confirmed or be debunked in it's entirety
Ok.....you say the media is lies.....right? well, what do you call this hoax? we're all here because we beLIEve that Michael Jackson hoaxed his death so...that means he (because he's the man behind the red curtain so to speak ) orchestrated all of this believe it or not with the help of "some in the media" and it's clear as day that the "Thirty Mile Zone" among others in the media (i.e Larry King...nudge, nudge wink, wink) is in on this up to their eyeballs. here's my take...the reason why we have four (4) different versions of the 911 call is because like with all the other "clues" we have is to show that Mickie's the little boy who cried wolf, ya feel me? It's the "crumb trail" that lead us all to where we are today, if it wasn't for our own Machiavelli leaving us hints we would still be in mourning in 2012. So how can we believe that this man's playing possum but dismiss or shrug off the possibility of the 911 calls like the rest of the clues and inconsistencies in this rabbit hole called hoax is not part of the greatest show on earth? Another thing to keep in mind is that it's the Lies in the media and those who uses it that let's us know Mike is safe and well. Little something to think about.
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Wow! it's been quite a while since I posted in here but from the looks of it I'm not the only one.. :suspect: :icon_lol: Come on guys I know this has got to be an intriguing topic for at least somebody :icon_lol:
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@ MJonmind, I got what you meant.
In Australia, people from the north talk different from people in the south and east (where I am from)
In the east and south more punchy, catchy, snappy and urban. Up north in Queensland and Northern Australia, quite nasal, relaxed and a twang. But again even on top of that, our Indiginous Australians who live up north have different accents again to non Indiginous who live up north. And further again, our Indiginous Austrailans (Perhaps known as aboriginal) and our Indiginous Torres Straight Islander Australians have different accents from each other yet again. It does have to do with geography, however it DOES also have to do with race and AND that doesn't make the statement racist.
Got what you meant and it wasn't at all racist! :bearhug:
Mankind is a wonderful tapestry of different races and without it we'd all be boring vanilla. Embracing and identifying differences is not always racist.
To Hotgirl. Thanks for posting your thoughts on 911 call. I am going to have another listen. Was concentrating on the caller not the operator, perhaps I should have.
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Aussie, right on!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dABo_DCIdpM[/youtube]
Here's black in the south (love it by the way!):
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JcmQONgXJM[/youtube]
Here's white in the south :icon_lol::
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja-dg89wr-s&feature=related[/youtube]
This is why I don't believe it's Tito!
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Mjonmind, what country do you live in?
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I've always said the 911 operator sounds like Don Lemon of CNN. Find the video of his interview with Joe Jackson. Very similar voice.