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Title: What if Michael fails?
Post by: diggyon on August 06, 2012, 07:57:40 PM
I have been thinking about the End of the World for quite some time now and I was suddenly hit by the question I used to ask myself all the time! What if Michaels plans fail? We all know that the Antichrist will appear some day. This is written in all the Holy Books known. It's the fate of the earth to witness this drama. Yet we have been warned by God not to follow him. The days of the Antichrist are going to be dark days. Evil will take over. Those who won't follow him will be killed. Then Christ will come back and save the world.
Michael has his plans too. He wants to free the world from evil. But what can he do to the world that's fate has been determined by God thousands and thousands of years ago? May be he can stop evil from taking over for a while. But for how long? The Antichrist will appear sooner or later. Armageddon will take place sooner or later. Jesus Christ will come back sooner or later..... Judgment day will come sooner or later.....
Title: Re: What if Michael fails?
Post by: YoungMack on August 06, 2012, 08:12:34 PM
Scary to think about isnt it.... I too have been teying to fit the 2 together meaning
Where and if MJ fits into the Bible prophecy for revelations etc......
Title: Re: What if Michael fails?
Post by: marumjj on August 06, 2012, 08:49:35 PM
Posted by: diggyon
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The Antichrist will appear sooner or later. Armageddon will take place sooner or later. Jesus Christ will come back sooner or later..... Judgment day will come sooner or later.....

diggyon personally prefer not to think about it, we are mere mortals and what is written so shall, death may surprise us any of us at any time. I just try to do good things in my life, sow love because that's what I harvest and Michael is a great example.

 John 6: 37-40, 44

"37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and whoever comes to Me I will never drive away. 38 For I came down from heaven not to do My own will but the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that every one which seeth the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.

Since God is no respecter of persons (Romans 2:11), the condition for salvation is the same for everyone, the perfect fulfillment of the moral law: love and live. All human beings we recorded in our consciousness the law of love (Romans 2:15).

Love is the key   :bearhug:
Title: Re: What if Michael fails?
Post by: GINAFELICIA on August 06, 2012, 09:29:04 PM
Michael has to fit into the Bible prophecies , otherwise it makes no sense...our 'friend" Back suggested he is  Archangel Michael .
Title: Re: What if Michael fails?
Post by: YouRnotAlone7 on August 06, 2012, 10:18:02 PM
Michael is not Archangel Michael.....even MJ said "I'm only human!"  People love to idolize things since the beginning of time.  Michael was/is a very special human being...with a sensitive heart...just like say, Mother Theresa.  I have to admit, his saying "We have 4 years to get it right otherwise it's irreversible" freaked me out....because we don't know what he meant by it.  But then he also said "It's an adventure...there's nothing to be afraid of"....so that seems contradictory to me.   Perhaps it could have been about his estate..or the rainforest...or the election....we just don't know.
 Yes, the anti-christ must come to fulfill prophecy and even tho I am a Christian, I am very concerned...worried...okay...terrified of that.   To me, in order for a world leader to be "everyone's savior" then something ::major:: would have to happen beforehand...like a nuclear war.  I am stepping on eggshells until the Olympics are over :::shudder:::
Title: Re: What if Michael fails?
Post by: YoungMack on August 06, 2012, 10:46:18 PM
Come on Gina....... Think for yourself..... How in the world would this BACK
know if MJ was a part of the biblical prophecy?? He is not God or anything remotely close at beat just a Jackson insider.
Title: Re: What if Michael fails?
Post by: RK on August 06, 2012, 11:14:21 PM
Michael is not Archangel Michael.....even MJ said "I'm only human!"  People love to idolize things since the beginning of time.  Michael was/is a very special human being...with a sensitive heart...just like say, Mother Theresa.  I have to admit, his saying "We have 4 years to get it right otherwise it's irreversible" freaked me out....because we don't know what he meant by it.  But then he also said "It's an adventure...there's nothing to be afraid of"....so that seems contradictory to me.   Perhaps it could have been about his estate..or the rainforest...or the election....we just don't know.
 Yes, the anti-christ must come to fulfill prophecy and even tho I am a Christian, I am very concerned...worried...okay...terrified of that.   To me, in order for a world leader to be "everyone's savior" then something ::major:: would have to happen beforehand...like a nuclear war.  I am stepping on eggshells until the Olympics are over :::shudder:::
YouRnotAlone in holding these thoughts.
Title: Re: What if Michael fails?
Post by: MJonmind on August 07, 2012, 12:03:01 AM
Come on Gina....... Think for yourself..... How in the world would this BACK
know if MJ was a part of the biblical prophecy?? He is not God or anything remotely close at beat just a Jackson insider.
That's rather rude. We here have many opinions. Think for yourself as well.
Title: Re: What if Michael fails?
Post by: YoungMack on August 07, 2012, 12:45:19 AM
So sorry...... Seeing how everyone is so nice on here and all. Hahahaha.....
I was just exspressing my opinion of her comment as she was of the previous comment.How come nobody says anything to anyone who says rude things to me???? Just curious.
Title: Re: What if Michael fails?
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on August 07, 2012, 01:33:17 AM
sigh....


biting tongue  :icon_mrgreen:

:bowdown: Respect you SOTT / Tut777 / back / front / TS / other alias's  :smiley_abuv:


Back predated death hoax and offered insight to future happenings. He deserves respect.

 :michael_jackson-1135:





(NB: Personally don't believe MJ is Archangel. Just thought I'd clarify. BUT deserves nothing but complete respect from us all!)

Title: Re: What if Michael fails?
Post by: curls on August 07, 2012, 03:29:02 AM
Diggy, I've had the same thoughts - in a nutshell, if MJ believes in God and bible prophesies, then why does he not just leave it all up to God?! I personally think he probably does, but that doesn't mean he won't do whatever he can to open people's eyes to the possibility of a better world right now, via love, because that's the kind of man he is.

Personally, and not wishing to tread on any toes here, I think many may be attaching too much stuff to MJ, making him into another 'persona' similar to what was done with 'The King of Pop'.  Can't he just be admired and loved as a talented and good man?

Not sure if this is relevant here, but I'll say it anyway, seeing as it's been mentioned. The whole antichrist thing puzzles me. Where did the idea come from that this is/will be a single person?  I have always interpreted antichrist as meaning anyone who is anti Christ, as in against Christ.  I wonder if the commonly adopted use of the term THE Antichrist, implying one person, is a misinterpretation of sorts. Maybe someone can point me towards a bible passage that supports the single person idea.

Title: Re: What if Michael fails?
Post by: diggyon on August 07, 2012, 10:45:47 AM
@Yournotalone7

I totlly agree :smiley_abuv:

@curls

Well, I thought the Antichrist was described in the Bible. He will come and force everyone to follow him, not God! May be someone could find the biblical reference to that! I don't know much about this biblical reference!
Title: Re: What if Michael fails?
Post by: paula-c on August 07, 2012, 11:08:00 AM
sigh....


biting tongue  :icon_mrgreen:

:bowdown: Respect you SOTT / Tut777 / back / front / TS / other alias's  :smiley_abuv:


Back predated death hoax and offered insight to future happenings. He deserves respect.

 :michael_jackson-1135:





(NB: Personally don't believe MJ is Archangel. Just thought I'd clarify. BUT deserves nothing but complete respect from us all!)
Title: Re: What if Michael fails?
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on August 07, 2012, 12:29:41 PM
Oops. Meant to write even though I don't believe MJ to be archangel and Back illudes to that, Back still deserves nothing but respect from us all.

Damn I hate posting with iPhone.
Title: Re: What if Michael fails?
Post by: MissG on August 07, 2012, 01:53:50 PM
No EOW is going to happen this year.

MJ has a lot to fix when comes to his testament and a long etc restoring his name, economy and cleaning up the mess which took place more than 20 years ago among other issues, imo.

Title: Re: What if Michael fails?
Post by: whatyourheartsays on August 07, 2012, 03:19:12 PM
I do not believe in those antichrist and end of the world or whatsoever story. Sorry if i miss a spelling. I do not fear hell or seek for paradise. I believe our destiny is in our hands, and the peace of our souls is in our ability to LOVE and to take action against what we wish to change. I do not believe in anything else than HUMAN. We are all HUMAN and i do not believe in a "higher" power to control//destroy/threaten/reward/save us. If i was to be very honest, this are fairy tales for people who fear to fight "themselves" I think considering the world is about us, and we are the one to fight to make better place, and there is nothing behind, or to expect after you die, is something even more frightening, but i believe this is the truth. there is nothing to fear or to be happy of. It's just US.
I cannot believe in something based on such extrems as hell and paradise.

Just wanted to say there might be something else than "all this" and it might be made of something totally different than what we expect. I cannot tell what it is, i just feel it, but i feel it's not about good or evil.
Title: Re: What if Michael fails?
Post by: melody on August 07, 2012, 04:23:58 PM
I think Michael already succeeded. He exposed the lies in various aspects of our society, including religion. Those who at the very core of their being cared about the "truth" ended up here to seek information and will endure to the end or have been paying attention to him the whole time (pre-death hoax). I'm more worried about us than Michael. I don't post much, so I hope us lurkers are not letting him down with our "participation level". As long as there's one person, I guess he can carry out his magic trick, otherwise, it's just him and the person(s) he planted in the audience.  I'm of the opinion that YHWH foresaw what humanity would do and intervened to offer information, but not everyone accepts it. Whatever they do with it, whether they seek it or ignore it, is up to them. Same with Michael and the hoax. I expect to see a whole lot of Justice being served by the end of this (and if not "real" Justice, at least Justice will be written into the hoax storyline).  :icon_albino:
Title: Re: What if Michael fails?
Post by: QUEEN on August 07, 2012, 05:17:35 PM
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Oh no please I am only human.


QUEEN
Title: Re: What if Michael fails?
Post by: diggyon on August 07, 2012, 05:52:08 PM
@ Queen

you're absolutely right  :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: What if Michael fails?
Post by: Dontwalkaway on August 07, 2012, 05:56:00 PM
I have been thinking about the End of the World for quite some time now and I was suddenly hit by the question I used to ask myself all the time! What if Michaels plans fail? We all know that the Antichrist will appear some day. This is written in all the Holy Books known. It's the fate of the earth to witness this drama. Yet we have been warned by God not to follow him. The days of the Antichrist are going to be dark days. Evil will take over. Those who won't follow him will be killed. Then Christ will come back and save the world.
Michael has his plans too. He wants to free the world from evil. But what can he do to the world that's fate has been determined by God thousands and thousands of years ago? May be he can stop evil from taking over for a while. But for how long? The Antichrist will appear sooner or later. Armageddon will take place sooner or later. Jesus Christ will come back sooner or later..... Judgment day will come sooner or later.....

Diggyon, 

Maybe it was determined by God thousands and thousands of years ago like you said.  Maybe it will happen sooner or later like you said.  I'm thinking sooner than later but that's just me.  Jesus will come back sooner or later like you said.  Maybe God chose Michael to do it. Maybe he can do it if God is on his side.  It's a possibility I think.   He can't fail if God is on his side.  In Revelations it's God that wins and defeats evil in the end. 

From the song "Speechless"
"Nothings real, but all is possible if god is on my side"

 
Title: Re: What if Michael fails?
Post by: diggyon on August 07, 2012, 06:08:24 PM
@ Dontwalkaway

You mean we should look at the bright side? May be you're right. But before the story ends there is always the climax of the drama. That's exactly what I'm referring to.
Title: Re: What if Michael fails?
Post by: Dontwalkaway on August 07, 2012, 06:22:25 PM
Diggyon, you do have a good point.  We have to go through all the "scary" stuff related to the beast and the anti-christ.  I am trying to be positive and think that maybe evil won't get very far.  The evil doings will be stopped.  Hopefully.
Title: Re: What if Michael fails?
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on August 07, 2012, 06:41:47 PM
@ whatyourheartsays

You make a VERY big generalization here, in saying that these are fairy tales for those who cannot fight for themselves.

Those who believe in divine intervention and prophecies relating to change, climax and new beginnings understand that there is nothing 'but' fighting til the end.

I'm not being rude, but feel the comment is a bit ignorant about what we believe.

But totally get that you are entitled to think like this and have your opinion  :smiley-vault-misc-150:

I can assure you, we are under no false pretenses. There is one huge fight ahead. :)
Title: Re: What if Michael fails?
Post by: MJonmind on August 08, 2012, 04:29:55 AM
Whatyourheartsays
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Just wanted to say there might be something else than "all this" and it might be made of something totally different than what we expect. I cannot tell what it is...
Yep, I agree with this.  Something from out in left field, that nobody was expecting-- that makes everyone's jaw drop.
Title: Re: What if Michael fails?
Post by: diggyon on August 08, 2012, 07:25:40 AM
But all this doesn't seem to fit in old prophecies!! I have been trying to find a link to any prophecy there is, but I can't. That's so weird!!
Title: Re: What if Michael fails?
Post by: whatyourheartsays on August 08, 2012, 04:13:59 PM
I said i would be honest. i spoke my mind because when it comes to such opinion, i think it is even more rude to hide what you have in mind. I decided to give my opinion and so i said my feeling about it.
Now i can apologise to anyone being disturbed, but it is my view on beliefs that are putting our world "back stage" while bigger plans are runned by gods or i don't know what.
If i can explain it better, i refuse that our world becomes just a place where "big things happened" and where "bigs things will happen" as if it was just a stage for "bigger things" and that anyway this world is just nothing but a stage. I totally disagree with this because it takes us away from our Earth, as if we were just here for a time and expecting for something better. i love Earth, i love human race (though i hate it almost everyday) and so i cannot accept that our world might just be a puppet in some hands while we hang around like ants waiting for a war to destroy us. For me it's not the good way to look at the place we live/exist. We are part of it and it is part of a "everything" we DO have a power to make it better, but for me it start by considering it as something else than a step on our way. I believe there is no other "place" to go and it is time we care for the place we have.
Title: Re: What if Michael fails?
Post by: GINAFELICIA on August 08, 2012, 05:54:04 PM
Come on Gina....... Think for yourself..... How in the world would this BACK
know if MJ was a part of the biblical prophecy?? He is not God or anything remotely close at beat just a Jackson insider.
Feel for yourself.

Well yeah, Michael gives me a religious feeling, that's old news. I still believe he has to fit into the prophecies, otherwise all TIAI can go down the toilet ...to quote a famous TV channel  :icon_lol:

Mike - please allow me to worship you tonight. You wouldn't mind, would you?
I love you, 'cause you are all love. How can I not love LOVE itself?
Title: Re: What if Michael fails?
Post by: diggyon on August 08, 2012, 06:00:14 PM
Gina, I guess you're exaggerating !
Title: Re: What if Michael fails?
Post by: Dontwalkaway on August 08, 2012, 06:06:45 PM
But all this doesn't seem to fit in old prophecies!! I have been trying to find a link to any prophecy there is, but I can't. That's so weird!!

Diggyon,

On the sister site Michael's Army Of Love there is more information about bible prophecies etc.  There are so many connections to what TS,Back,and Front are saying. 

Title: Re: What if Michael fails?
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on August 08, 2012, 11:06:52 PM
No EOW is going to happen this year.

MJ has a lot to fix when comes to his testament and a long etc restoring his name, economy and cleaning up the mess which took place more than 20 years ago among other issues, imo.

Wrongs to be righted, as per Front.

Agree with you 100% with the addition of also wanting to top thriller, change history and create something interactive and ground breaking that hasn't been done before. (ARG)

But now we are getting into the 'why' of DH which is subjective and a never ending debate  :icon_e_wink:

Title: Re: What if Michael fails?
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on August 08, 2012, 11:20:37 PM
I said i would be honest. i spoke my mind because when it comes to such opinion, i think it is even more rude to hide what you have in mind. I decided to give my opinion and so i said my feeling about it.
Now i can apologise to anyone being disturbed, but it is my view on beliefs that are putting our world "back stage" while bigger plans are runned by gods or i don't know what.
If i can explain it better, i refuse that our world becomes just a place where "big things happened" and where "bigs things will happen" as if it was just a stage for "bigger things" and that anyway this world is just nothing but a stage. I totally disagree with this because it takes us away from our Earth, as if we were just here for a time and expecting for something better. i love Earth, i love human race (though i hate it almost everyday) and so i cannot accept that our world might just be a puppet in some hands while we hang around like ants waiting for a war to destroy us. For me it's not the good way to look at the place we live/exist. We are part of it and it is part of a "everything" we DO have a power to make it better, but for me it start by considering it as something else than a step on our way. I believe there is no other "place" to go and it is time we care for the place we have.

I don't think you need to apologise at all :) and the thing I respect most is your honest opinion :)

I am not offended the least by your post and don't think you need to choose different words if they are what you feel. I was just pointing out that those who believe there is something big to come to the human race (and I'm not even talking about MJ here) actually ARE people who need and will fight for themselves. I was more putting it out there that perhaps you are under a false impression of such people. So when I said the statement is kinda ignorant, I more wanted to point out that clearly such individuals are misunderstood as we know there is one huge battle ahead!

I don't believe MJ is a Jesus like savior for the human race re: EOW but I do believe that amongst his many goals / reasons for DH one of them is to highlight where in the stream of time we are according to bible and to encourage people to L.O.V.E and allow god into their lives. ( actually he had been doing this for 30 odd years prior to DH through song, so it's not even a new concept)

But I am with you, actually agree that MJ isn't involved as the prime individual to fulfill bible prophecy.


And on the same token appreciate and respect people such as Gina or MJonmind who associate all this with religious understandings / feelings / beliefs.


I constantly admire the mutual respect on this forum from all the members. (minus one or two individuals) Blows me away when I think about it. So many people here from various walks of life, nations and religious and non religious backgrounds. Actually it says SO much about MJ.

Hugs to you Whatyourhearsays  :bearhug:
Title: Re: What if Michael fails?
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on August 09, 2012, 12:37:24 AM
so i cannot accept that our world might just be a puppet in some hands while we hang around like ants waiting for a war to destroy us.

Sorry forgot to add. Easier for me to add post than edit one whilst using iPhone. (can't wait for new latop) but yeah sorry folks for post bombing this thread.

Re: the above. Most of the People I know who believe in divine intervention and upcoming fulfillment of prophecy, think far different than what you have outlined. It's not at all like waiting to be killed off like ants. This line of thinking is very cliche. The EOW (hate that phrase) is an attack on the system / structure. Not on the ants! Lol

Upcoming fulfillment of prophecy runs far deeper than the stereotypical EOW. Again, just pointing out some misconceptions.
Title: Re: What if Michael fails?
Post by: MJonmind on August 09, 2012, 01:08:27 AM
Aww, that is very sweet and kind of you to say that, Aussie.  :icon_e_biggrin: You know that is EXACTLY what I love about this place. I love the mix of all different views and understandings of the MJ, the hoax, the Bible, the world, the EOW, the Big Picture and our place in it all.  I love hearing from different faiths, ideologies, perspectives.  I want to be able to express how I feel without fear of ridicule or chastisement, and I believe that's what each of us would like.  We will only know which thinking is more accurate when we receive the fulfillment happening clearly before our eyes.  Until then, we each bring our rich background beliefs, studies, exposure and thought processes to the table to examine fairly and respectfully.  I really believe that's what MJ would wish for us to do!  We're all in this together!
Title: Re: What if Michael fails?
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on August 09, 2012, 01:14:18 AM
We will only know which thinking is more accurate when we receive the fulfillment happening clearly before our eyes.  Until then, we each bring our rich background beliefs, studies, exposure and thought processes to the table to examine fairly and respectfully.

Exact-a-mondo! Right on sis!  :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: What if Michael fails?
Post by: whatyourheartsays on August 09, 2012, 02:29:52 PM
I might stop trying to put some ideas in words coming from a language that's not mine  ! loool :computer-losy-smiley:
I understand why you point out "cliche" in what i say. It IS, by the way i write it. Just consider there is a lack of vocabulary on my side so i can really say what i want.

I'll try french next time !

Hugs back to you
Title: Re: What if Michael fails?
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on August 09, 2012, 06:30:23 PM
I would have never have guessed English isn't your first language :) its brilliant.
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