Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators

Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: Eva R on December 27, 2009, 01:29:23 PM

Title: Neverland
Post by: Eva R on December 27, 2009, 01:29:23 PM
Michael moved out of neverland because of those stupid police people right?? It really breaks my heart really bad when I see this pic..

(http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/gg427/Eefiee/neverlandDM1003_800x536-711654.jpg)

Does anyone know if there are still animals and stuff there?
And does anyone know if that mess is already cleaned up?  :(

I hope so Michael is there right now...  :(
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Miss.Peppers on December 27, 2009, 02:26:33 PM
I did read that the animals have been taken away and are being cared for:

http://uk.eonline.com/uberblog/b131576_ ... _they.html (http://uk.eonline.com/uberblog/b131576_michael_jacksons_animals_where_are_they.html)

So please dont worry about them, they are ok.    :lol:

In regards to Neverland, my regards to it is that it should be sold and forgotten about.  MJ made it quite clear and said over and over again that he would never return to it because he saw it as spoilt after the allegations and police raids.
Michael said that so i believe him.   :?
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Eva R on December 27, 2009, 02:28:53 PM
hmm.. OK. but he also said always he would NEVER sell neverland. I think he said it at the bashit docu.
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Miss.Peppers on December 27, 2009, 02:30:43 PM
Quote from: "Eva R"
hmm.. OK. but he also said always he would NEVER sell neverland. I think he said it at the bashit docu.

But that was before Bashit stabbed him in the back, and before Gavin made the allegations.   :x
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Eva R on December 27, 2009, 02:36:19 PM
Quote from: "Miss.Peppers"
Quote from: "Eva R"
hmm.. OK. but he also said always he would NEVER sell neverland. I think he said it at the bashit docu.

But that was before Bashit stabbed him in the back, and before Gavin made the allegations.   :x
yeah that's right. but it is so beautiful there. look:
(http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/gg427/Eefiee/michael-jackson-neverland-ranch-hom.jpg)

But it isn't sold right? Is it going to be sell??
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: youaremysoulmate on December 27, 2009, 03:05:09 PM
It looks like a very beautiful place, it makes me very sad that Michael had to move from his dream home because someone came up with false accusations against him  :(   People can be so evil sometimes. They changed his dream place, to a place with too many bad memories. Poor Michael, he has been through too many tough times in life. I can not understand how people can live with themself, after having destroyed another person`s life like this  :evil:  :cry:
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Eva R on December 27, 2009, 03:06:43 PM
yeah it is horrible.. just horrible.
But anyone knows if neverland is going to be sold or is already sold?
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Miss.Peppers on December 27, 2009, 03:11:50 PM
Quote from: "Eva R"
yeah it is horrible.. just horrible.
But anyone knows if neverland is going to be sold or is already sold?

I think that one is a mystery for now... shrouded in the secrecy of Thome who apparently financially bailed MJ out of selling it..  so i dont know.   :|
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: XspeechlessX on December 27, 2009, 04:08:19 PM
Hell Id go there and fix it up for him if i could.... if he wanted....  :?
It just seems so sad... that place was him... it was his life...his world.
It just wouldnt be the same with anyone else owning it....

 :(
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: ShowEmHowFunky on December 27, 2009, 04:12:05 PM
He's probably there in a hidden bat cave he had made hiding out laughing at everyone right now   :D
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Ninanina on December 27, 2009, 04:41:31 PM
Quote from: "Miss.Peppers"
Quote from: "Eva R"
hmm.. OK. but he also said always he would NEVER sell neverland. I think he said it at the bashit docu.

But that was before Bashit stabbed him in the back, and before Gavin made the allegations.   :x

Neverland was saved by Colony Capital LCC. in March 2008? Well, if he was NEVER going to go back there: what was the point in keeping it at this time?
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/may/31 ... -jackson31 (http://articles.latimes.com/2009/may/31/entertainment/et-michael-jackson31)
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: jill on December 27, 2009, 04:49:33 PM
Did Colony Capitol LLC buy Neverland or was there a loan made to Michael?  How was it saved?
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: JENNYAPPLEHEAD on December 27, 2009, 04:57:51 PM
Honestly even after it was raided he still lived there and talked fondly about it. If you listen to some of the 2005 interviews this was after it was raided. I only believe what I hear from his mouth and he has always said Neverland is him and that he would never sell it. The bad talk comes from others saying that. JMO
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Idéalo on December 27, 2009, 05:46:14 PM
anyone knows who has given permission to these so-called journalists can enter the property to neverland to make us believe that there was a ghost? :roll:
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Ninanina on December 27, 2009, 05:53:36 PM
Quote from: "jill"
Did Colony Capitol LLC buy Neverland or was there a loan made to Michael?  How was it saved?

Well, they investigated something around 25 mill $. I don't think, that they loan money.
But Colony Capital is the partner company of Michael's former business partner Prince Al Waleed Bin Talal, whom he formed Kingdom Entertainment with. Don't know, whether this is a good thing though.
Tohme Tohme was working for Colony Capital as well... Hm.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/20 ... ion-islam/ (http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2009/03/24/claim-jackos-rep-threatened-harm-nation-islam/)
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: SPAKKLE29FUL on December 27, 2009, 05:54:30 PM
Quote from: "JENNYAPPLEHEAD"
Honestly even after it was raided he still lived there and talked fondly about it. If you listen to some of the 2005 interviews this was after it was raided. I only believe what I hear from his mouth and he has always said Neverland is him and that he would never sell it. The bad talk comes from others saying that. JMO
no i heard that to he said he would never sell it
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: steffmaster1 on December 27, 2009, 05:56:41 PM
on michaels 45th birthday speech he said he would make neverland more accessible to the fans that wasnt that long ago?!? :)
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Mish1981 on December 27, 2009, 06:22:11 PM
In one of the interviews he says something along the lines of no he would never live there again but he would go and make special visits there if company qas coming over. I think he was talking about all the kids from charity groups and all of the sick kids. Not too sure about the last part but I do remember him talking about only visiting there.
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Toija on December 27, 2009, 10:37:58 PM
I believe that he used it to leverage a loan ,  however he retained all of the mineral rights .

 The adjacent property is owned by Tom Barrack .

 Google THAT name ... connections to Thome .... connections to TRW ... connections to the mid east stuff.  Jermaine ... etc ....

 Neverland is in the middle of a HUGE spider web .
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: michaelsupporter on December 27, 2009, 11:33:59 PM
Perhaps Michael has retained Neverland for his children. I do hear that it is a beautiful place and he has several acres. It holds much potential in that regard. Or, perhaps it will become the next "Graceland"??? Personally, I wouldn't mind taking a trip there.
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: MJonmind on December 28, 2009, 01:37:14 AM
[ROD SERLING VERSE]
The unknown monster is about to embark
From a far corner, out of the dark
A nightmare, that’s the case
Never Neverland, that’s the place
This particular monster can read minds
Be in two places at the same time
This is judgement night, execution, slaughter
The devil, ghosts, this monster is torture
You can be sure of one thing, that’s fate
A human presence that you feel is strange
A monster that you can see disappear
A monster, the worst thing to fear.
    I don't care if this song was written long before the 2005 trial, his songs have clues for this whole hoax years later. I think Michael still has plans for Neverland. Remember those German girls that had seen a horse being taken into Neverland, and a while back the white fancy carriage. Michael likes horseback riding. It could be a good hiding place since everybody thinks he hates the place now. Remember the 3000 or so tons of cement taken to Neverland. Somehow I think it could all still play a part. Michael doesn't just drop important things like this, (so close to his heart) so easily. IMO So he might have said things to guide media and fan attention elsewhere, by saying the raid ruined NL for him.
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Jennie on December 28, 2009, 01:50:06 AM
Everything all off you have said is very plausible to me. But just a few days ago I was reading about something in regards to this Audiger guy. I think I had googled Michael Jackson to see if anything new would come up and I came across an article of this Audiger dude who wanted or bought Neverland and wanted to turn it into something in regards to Michael to make money off of it.. Hmmm... :? I think it's the clothes designer guy.. Did anyone else hear about this?
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Whitesocks on December 28, 2009, 03:32:20 AM
I don't know but all the amusementpark themes are gone now.
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Eva R on December 28, 2009, 05:40:35 AM
Quote from: "Jennie"
Everything all off you have said is very plausible to me. But just a few days ago I was reading about something in regards to this Audiger guy. I think I had googled Michael Jackson to see if anything new would come up and I came across an article of this Audiger dude who wanted or bought Neverland and wanted to turn it into something in regards to Michael to make money off of it.. Hmmm... :? I think it's the clothes designer guy.. Did anyone else hear about this?
hmm.. you mean Christian Audigier? the maker of Ed Hardy? Yeah I read that also somewhere. But I thought he bought the house of Michael where he died. But I am not sure..

oh no wait! I am looking on google now and yeah Christian bought neverland. But I think that's kinda odd. Michael and his kids are wearing so much edhardy lately. During TII Michael wears alot edhardy and his kids now wear a lot ed hardy. So Maybe Christian bought it for some reason for Michael. Or that it wouldn't be bought by someone who wants to destroy it you know :)
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Jeje on December 28, 2009, 08:00:56 AM
I've read many different articles. Some claims that Christian bought, some that not. Example-"The owner of popular Ed Hardy clothing line is said to have paid 90 million dollars for his friend’s former home, but he insists he would never have bought a place that only held bad memories for the Thriller hitmaker."

Read more: http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/ent ... z0azYX00Ym (http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/entertainment/christian-audigier-hasnt-bought-mjs-neverland-ranch_100256191.html#ixzz0azYX00Ym)


So i don't know who is the owner for sure. :?
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: DancingTheDream on December 28, 2009, 08:19:30 AM
Ive found some more pictures of what it looks like now.
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Amber on December 28, 2009, 08:20:01 AM
these are just my thoughts but i have to say i absolutely believed mj when he saud he would never go back,until he "died" that is! have you all noticed that Neverland gets no press? no one goes there exept workmen with concrete! thats weird to me. my point is because we all believe mj would never go back including the press, then isnt it the safest place for him to be now? its a big place, if he went back it dont mean to say he'd live in that big house with the bad memorys. i wont be suprised if that house is knocked down eventually  ;)
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: DancingTheDream on December 28, 2009, 08:23:30 AM
Also see this BEFORE and AFTER shot of Neverland:
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Sangre on December 28, 2009, 08:26:33 AM
It looks so sad.
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: DancingTheDream on December 28, 2009, 08:43:41 AM
TMZ published 50 recent photos.  Everything has gone.  All the rides, all the animals and all the furniture inside.  Its bare.

Here is the link as there are too many photos to post here:

http://photos.tmz.com/galleries/inside_ ... t&id=45711 (http://photos.tmz.com/galleries/inside_neverland_ranch#tab=most_recent&id=45711)
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: andrea_garay2005 on December 28, 2009, 08:56:28 AM
Quote from: "Amber"
these are just my thoughts but i have to say i absolutely believed mj when he saud he would never go back,until he "died" that is! have you all noticed that Neverland gets no press? no one goes there exept workmen with concrete! thats weird to me. my point is because we all believe mj would never go back including the press, then isnt it the safest place for him to be now? its a big place, if he went back it dont mean to say he'd live in that big house with the bad memorys. i wont be suprised if that house is knocked down eventually ;)

You took the words right out of my mouth! Agree!
You guys no need to be sad, Michael didn't like that place anymore! He'll have another just like that in no time.
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Eva R on December 28, 2009, 09:36:32 AM
It looks so sad.. it was so beautiful.. Well, before his death he wanted to make a new home with park: Wonderland :)
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: TheKingWillReturn on December 28, 2009, 09:45:19 AM
Was Michael's GHOST on that news clip at Neverland, one of the first clues to check out his movie...
Michael Jackson's Ghost?
Also another thought, when he Came Back - Morphed in Moonwalker, it was his shadow on the wall that you seen, doesn't that remind you of the Neverland footage? Shadow on wall.
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: DancingTheDream on December 28, 2009, 10:23:54 AM
My feelings are they should raize it to the ground.
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: jill on December 28, 2009, 10:39:10 AM
Quote from: "Jeje"
I've read many different articles. Some claims that Christian bought, some that not. Example-"The owner of popular Ed Hardy clothing line is said to have paid 90 million dollars for his friend’s former home, but he insists he would never have bought a place that only held bad memories for the Thriller hitmaker."

Read more: http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/ent ... z0azYX00Ym (http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/entertainment/christian-audigier-hasnt-bought-mjs-neverland-ranch_100256191.html#ixzz0azYX00Ym)


So i don't know who is the owner for sure. :?

Maybe they are trying to keep it quiet.
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: jonnysgirldangerous on December 28, 2009, 10:53:24 AM
It's so sad to see how the lies and the greed of some people destroyed everything MJ treasured. I think the way we see Neverland today all empty and destroyed is the way those horrible people left MJ's heart and soul. He was really destroyed after the trials and it seemed like he couldn't take it anymore. I wouldn't want either to go back to a place that people used to destroy me, but like you said, maybe he have some kind of facilities there where he's living, because after all that nobody expects anything to happen there.
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: TheKingWillReturn on December 28, 2009, 11:00:03 AM
The Biggest Mystery still unsolved is what the concrete was for that was delivered?
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Kirsche on December 28, 2009, 12:07:51 PM
Quote from: "TheKingWillReturn"
The Biggest Mystery still unsolved is what the concrete was for that was delivered?


yep it's still unsolved and it was never mentioned again.... :?  not by TMZ or anyone else
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: DancingTheDream on December 28, 2009, 12:29:24 PM
Quote from: "TheKingWillReturn"
The Biggest Mystery still unsolved is what the concrete was for that was delivered?

Do you have a link to this?  Who said this happened?  Any pictures?  :?
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: mjboogie on December 28, 2009, 12:45:45 PM
Maybe the concrete was used or is being used in the rebuilding process. It would help for us to research Neverland a bit more and find out exactly who owns it now. I mean once we find out exactly who owns the property now we will be able to go from there. People are saying Christian, but he bought the L.A. mansion where MJ was staying. But he has a lot of money maybe he bought both? It does look bare! :cry: But I do not feel Mj is there even if they have rebuilt it he could not possibly reside there without being in the public's eye right? SO....who really owns Neverland.. Colony Capital.? Christian? MJ? hmmmm
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: CC on December 28, 2009, 01:12:33 PM
I think MJ is there, at Neverland... i read an article about a house he rent in vegas and the owner sais that he rent this house, but he lived in the guests house with the kids... he doesn´t like the big house... :?
maybe he is living in the guest house at neverland, because the big house are empty... we saw that... so... ;)
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Eva R on December 28, 2009, 01:20:44 PM
Quote from: "CC"
I think MJ is there, at Neverland... i read an article about a house he rent in vegas and the owner sais that he rent this house, but he lived in the guests house with the kids... he doesn´t like the big house... :?
maybe he is living in the guest house at neverland, because the big house are empty... we saw that... so... ;)
yeah it is possible. but I don't think he would like it there now without in the big house furniture. And without the attractions and animals. And that mess outside. But maybe it is more clean now. I don't know when those pics were taken. anyone knows?
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Christiana on December 28, 2009, 01:23:44 PM
The concrete at Neverland issue has been discussed a lot. Work began at Neverland long before June. See info here that I have posted before in other Neverland threads:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124484259109711019.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124484259109711019.html)

And Christian Audigier did NOT buy Neverland. The note to Neverland was bought by Colony Capital in 2008 (noted in article above). This was erroneous info reported by overzealous reporters who didn't have all their facts when they first reported that Audigier was buying MJ's home. They were talking about the Holmby Hills house, not Neverland.

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/st ... nd_1118006 (http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/audigier-i-havent-bought-neverland_1118006)

http://www.pr-inside.com/christian-audi ... 510592.htm (http://www.pr-inside.com/christian-audigier-didn-t-buy-neverland-r1510592.htm)

There have also been reports since that time that CA changed his mind about the Holmby Hills home and is not moving into it.
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Idéalo on December 28, 2009, 04:58:38 PM
I already asked, would like to know who owns neverland has given permission to enter into a neverland of journalists to believe the ghost of MJ?
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: TheKingWillReturn on December 28, 2009, 05:31:39 PM
Hello Dancing The Dream,

Here is one of the links i found...
Concrete Evidence Found at Neverland
http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/30/concrete- ... neverland/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/30/concrete-evidence-found-at-neverland/)

Maybe the family was planning on filling Joe's mouth with concrete to keep him from talking, ...But probably not enough concrete in the world for that.

I googled Never Never Land and i found this, i was wondering what Never Never Land meant, because Michael used that in "Threatened", Maybe Australia holds a clue??

Never-never land
Meaning

A utopian dreamland.

Origin

The term 'never-never land' is now usually applied with a sense of dismissiveness - used when someone is dreaming unrealistically about a utopian future.

Never Never Land is a real place though. The name was first recorded, in the late 19th century, describing the uninhabited regions of Australia - then called just 'The Never-Never'. The more remote outback regions of the Northern Territory and Queensland are still known by that name. This is as much a state of mind and a folk-memory that recalls the pre-settlement outback life with fondness as it is a precise geographical location.

The European emigrant's view of the 'Never-Never Land' was very different from that of the locals. The incomer saw it as somewhere you would never, never want to go. The earliest reference I can find to the name in print is in A. J. Boyd's Old Colonials, 1882:

"My soliloquy ends with the inquiry, 'What on earth is to be done in this wretched Never-never country?'"

In 1906 Henry Lawson published a poem - The Never-Never Country and in 1908, Jeannie Gunn published a popular autobiographical novel - 'We of the Never Never'. This was made into a film, starring Angela Punch McGregor, in 1982. In the text Gunn presents the contrary view as to how the place was named:

"Called the Never-Never, the Maluka loved to say, because they, who have lived in it and loved it Never-Never voluntarily leave it."

That's the same feeling used by later writers when they appropriated the term into their work as a metaphor for a fantasy land. In 1900, Israel Zangwill used the phrase in the title of a play, here described in the New York Dramatic Mirror, November 1900:

"At Wallack's on Tuesday evening Sarah Cowell Le Moyne supplemented The Greatest Thing in the World with the initial performance of THE MOMENT OF DEATH; or, The Never, Never Land, a drama in one act and three scenes, by Israel Zangwill."

Of course, the best-known use is in J. M. Barrie's Peter Pan, 1904:

Wendy: Where do you live now?
Peter: With the lost boys. They are the children who fall out of their prams when the nurse is looking the other way. If they are not claimed in seven days they are sent far away to the Never Land.

It is Barrie that brought the term to the everyday language and that's where we get the current meaning. Where did Barrie get it though - imagination or from Australia? 19th century emigrants' travels in Australia were well reported on back in England and, although Barrie's version is truncated to 'Never Land', it's unlikely that he was unaware of the Australian region when he coined the name for the play. It would have sounded remote and exotic to people in Edwardian England and it seems probable that Barrie adapted the name for use in the play.

The number of 'nevers' doesn't seem to be especially significant. In an early review, of a performance of Peter Pan in New York in 1905, the Fort Wayne Journal-Gazette dispenses with one and two and goes for three:

"When he [Peter Pan] was a very little fellow he RAN AWAY FROM THE HUMAN WORLD, and lived with the fairies in the NEVER NEVER LAND."

The dreamland utopia allusion of the phrase has been tarnished somewhat by the adoption by Michael Jackson of the name 'Neverland Valley' for his Californian ranch.

Another slightly less than positive use of the term 'never never' is its use as a name for payment by installments. This came about in the early 20th century. The reference here is to the apparently never-ending number of payments on a loan, and not in response to Barrie's play or from Australia.

In 1926 Edgar Wallace, in his novel More Educated Evans, described the term:

"Her uncle drove a taxi which he had purchased on the 'never never' system. You pay $80 down and more than you can afford for the rest of your life."
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Ninanina on December 28, 2009, 06:51:27 PM
Quote from: "mjboogie"
Maybe the concrete was used or is being used in the rebuilding process. It would help for us to research Neverland a bit more and find out exactly who owns it now. I mean once we find out exactly who owns the property now we will be able to go from there. People are saying Christian, but he bought the L.A. mansion where MJ was staying. But he has a lot of money maybe he bought both? It does look bare! :cry: But I do not feel Mj is there even if they have rebuilt it he could not possibly reside there without being in the public's eye right? SO....who really owns Neverland.. Colony Capital.? Christian? MJ? hmmmm

Christian Audigier didn't buy the Holmby Hills mansion - he wanted to rent it, but then decided not to.
Colony Capital "invested" 23,5 mill $ into Neverland - or rather in MJ. They were also involved in the tour and had lots of ideas for that.
Colony Capital (who Tohme worked for as well) is the partner company of Michael's friend's Kingdom Holding Company, which might be a good thing - at least have I never heard anything bad about Prince Al Waleed Bin Tala.
The rest should be owned by MJ/the Estate.
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: TheKingWillReturn on December 28, 2009, 07:59:23 PM
Michael Jackson's island escape

Michael Jackson has splashed out $1.5million on a new mansion on his own private island.The eccentric singer has paid the massive sum for a quarter-acre site on the Amwaj Islands, located off the coast of Bahrain where Jackson has been living since being cleared of child sex abuse.The island, which is part of three man-made islands built in the last five years, boasts lavish facilities including its own international airport, several top restaurants, a private hospital, golf courses, canals and an equestrian centre.
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There is also a private school, the International School of Choueifat, where it is believed Jackson will send his three children Prince Michael, Paris and Prince Michael II.Jackson will reportedly move into the property in January and the island's other residents are excited about their new famous neighbour - despite his recent troubles.One local said: "It's still the music people know, that's how people here know Michael Jackson. It's really exciting"Last week, the 'Billie Jean' singer's father insisted his son would never live in America again after receiving a series of threats. Joseph revealed Michael only intended to return to the US for work and visits after the way he was treated during his child abuse trial.
He revealed: "He'll come back to America to visit, but not to stay, not to live. They didn't treat him right here I know if I was him, I wouldn't come back"

It is not yet known if Jackson now plans to sell his world famous Neverland ranch in America
. :?:
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Rita Hayworth on December 28, 2009, 08:20:45 PM
Just of interest - the United States has no extradition treaty with Bahrain.
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: CC on December 28, 2009, 08:30:00 PM
Quote from: "Rita Hayworth"
Just of interest - the United States has no extradition treaty with Bahrain.

what that it means? could you explain, please? :?
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Rita Hayworth on December 28, 2009, 08:42:04 PM
Several posts have mentioned the possible criminal charges with hoaxing a death. An extradition treaty with another country means that the country will return the accused if there are any possible criminal charges. For instance, if the United States accused anyone who was currently living in Bahrain of criminal charges, Bahrain has no legal obligation to honor the request to return the accused to the United States to face any criminal allegations.  It would be at their own discretion...this is also true of Saudi Arabia...no extradition treaty.
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: CC on December 28, 2009, 08:48:11 PM
Quote from: "Rita Hayworth"
Several posts have mentioned the possible criminal charges with hoaxing a death. An extradition treaty with another country means that the country will return the accused if there are any possible criminal charges. For instance, if the United States accused anyone who was currently living in Bahrain of criminal charges, Bahrain has no legal obligation to honor the request to return the accused to the United States to face any criminal allegations.  It would be at their own discretion...this is also true of Saudi Arabia...no extradition treaty.
thank you! this could be... :?  i only hope that he will be fine... just that! ;)
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: DancingTheDream on December 30, 2009, 10:56:23 AM
Quote from: "Rita Hayworth"
Just of interest - the United States has no extradition treaty with Bahrain.

Wahahahaaa   CLASSIC!!!!!!
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on December 30, 2009, 11:12:01 AM
Quote from: "TheKingWillReturn"
The Biggest Mystery still unsolved is what the concrete was for that was delivered?

And also WHY were there like 20 people in the kitchen at Neverland making a huge meal when LArry King was there with Miko after MJ "died"??????????????? Who were they making food for?????? Certianly not Larry's crew.......they could just cater it.....
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Whitesocks on December 30, 2009, 11:15:47 AM
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
Quote from: "TheKingWillReturn"
The Biggest Mystery still unsolved is what the concrete was for that was delivered?

And also WHY were there like 20 people in the kitchen at Neverland making a huge meal when LArry King was there with Miko after MJ "died"??????????????? Who were they making food for?????? Certianly not Larry's crew.......they could just cater it.....

Great point !!!

You may not touch others properties..and who let them in anyway..!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Eva R on December 30, 2009, 11:17:22 AM
Quote from: "Whitesocks"
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
Quote from: "TheKingWillReturn"
The Biggest Mystery still unsolved is what the concrete was for that was delivered?

And also WHY were there like 20 people in the kitchen at Neverland making a huge meal when LArry King was there with Miko after MJ "died"??????????????? Who were they making food for?????? Certianly not Larry's crew.......they could just cater it.....

Great point !!!

You may not touch others properties..and who let them in anyway..!!!!!!!
That means there have to be furniture inside but I saw pics of the house and it was entire empty. Or they just moved the furniture back in :P
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on December 30, 2009, 11:23:51 AM
That day when Larry and Miko were there the house was totally empty....except for the kitchen. It looked like they were getting a meal ready for the Queen or something....really.. REALLY odd.
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Eva R on December 30, 2009, 11:25:35 AM
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
That day when Larry and Miko were there the house was totally empty....except for the kitchen. It looked like they were getting a meal ready for the Queen or something....really.. REALLY odd.
yeah that is really odd :S Well, not really nice without furniture! :P
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on December 30, 2009, 11:46:37 AM
Heres the video.....look at the people in the kitchen.


[youtube:353a0ctk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8ZS9v6bPuM&feature=related[/youtube:353a0ctk]
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: DancingTheDream on December 30, 2009, 11:48:50 AM
Who are the peeps in the kitchen?   ;)
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Eva R on December 30, 2009, 11:49:51 AM
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
Heres the video.....look at the people in the kitchen.


[youtube:3pkxfmqc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8ZS9v6bPuM&feature=related[/youtube:3pkxfmqc]
oh OK! It still looks beautiful there. And it looks weird that the whole house is empty but there is a kitchen full with food  :lol:

thank you for the video!
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on December 30, 2009, 12:01:55 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Who are the peeps in the kitchen?   ;)


Thats the million dollar question.... and WHY are they there in a house that is suppose to be empty, yet the kitchen seems to be fully stocked? Hmmmmmmmmmmm......

I smell FISH!!
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Dancing_Machine on December 30, 2009, 12:10:12 PM
Quote from: "TheKingWillReturn"
Michael Jackson's island escape

Michael Jackson has splashed out $1.5million on a new mansion on his own private island.The eccentric singer has paid the massive sum for a quarter-acre site on the Amwaj Islands, located off the coast of Bahrain where Jackson has been living since being cleared of child sex abuse.The island, which is part of three man-made islands built in the last five years, boasts lavish facilities including its own international airport, several top restaurants, a private hospital, golf courses, canals and an equestrian centre.
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There is also a private school, the International School of Choueifat, where it is believed Jackson will send his three children Prince Michael, Paris and Prince Michael II.Jackson will reportedly move into the property in January and the island's other residents are excited about their new famous neighbour - despite his recent troubles.One local said: "It's still the music people know, that's how people here know Michael Jackson. It's really exciting"Last week, the 'Billie Jean' singer's father insisted his son would never live in America again after receiving a series of threats. Joseph revealed Michael only intended to return to the US for work and visits after the way he was treated during his child abuse trial.
He revealed: "He'll come back to America to visit, but not to stay, not to live. They didn't treat him right here I know if I was him, I wouldn't come back"

It is not yet known if Jackson now plans to sell his world famous Neverland ranch in America
. :?:

Is this true?
Do you have a source of this?  :D
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: DancingTheDream on December 30, 2009, 12:24:23 PM
Is Miko Brando wearing one of MJs wigs??   8-)

Hmm.. strange people in the kitchen.  The only thing i can think of is that they are cooking food for the TV crew?  But that makes me angry... its MJs house, get the hell out of it!!!!
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: mjboogie on December 30, 2009, 12:30:24 PM
OMG> If that article has a credible source we should investigate this island a bit deeper! Because it is definitley quite plausible. Did he really purchase it. or... has it been sold? DId he sell it once he moved back to the U.S. ?  We know MJ was living in L.A. but...... can someone pull up this exact island ? (not Bahrain) but the exact island MJ purchased. This is quite plausible. If he did live here do we have footage of him being spotted by the paps? I remember someone stating that the paps spotted him in Bahrain before. IDK but this should be researched. We may be overlooking something ... and this article does state that MJ received many threats. But that was from 2005! IDK what to think anymore! :(  
The people in the kitchen at Neverland? Well.. ummm.. you are right! This is an empty house but if it was sold then someone else owns it right? Maybe they were preparing dinner for Miko and Larry? :oops:
SOrta like the huge slab of concrete being brought there?  Dang I miss MJ soooooo much! :(
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Datroot on December 30, 2009, 12:35:09 PM
I did hear that Marlon Brando had sold an island to MJ - again from the old site.
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on December 30, 2009, 01:39:12 PM
Here ye go:
Pretty darn nice!!!


http://www.amwaj-islands.com/ (http://www.amwaj-islands.com/)


http://www.bahraintourism.com/default.a ... cle&id=561 (http://www.bahraintourism.com/default.asp?action=article&id=561)
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Christiana on December 30, 2009, 03:08:45 PM
Quote from: "Datroot"
I did hear that Marlon Brando had sold an island to MJ - again from the old site.

This is actually a misunderstanding, which we discussed in another thread. He didn't sell an island to MJ. (viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1635&start=25 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1635&start=25))

From ILuvUMoreMJ: "I read that Marlon Brando gave an island to Michael just before he died. Let me see if I can find the article.

Edit: Okay, so it was just part of the island. http://wapedia.mobi/en/Tetiaroa (http://wapedia.mobi/en/Tetiaroa) It says the "airport" is closed because the landing strip is not long enough, but I don't know what year this was from."

From Christana: "Has to be from 2005, I'd say. The sources it's listing for the article are from 2005. Here is some more info on the island (which is actually not one island, but an atoll).

http://www.tetiaroa.com/ (http://www.tetiaroa.com/)

And here's more info about the resort that is supposed to open there...eventually (originally it was 2008, but it hasn't happened yet--they're now saying late 2011, according to the press release on the page below).

http://www.thebrando.com/ (http://www.thebrando.com/)
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Idéalo on December 30, 2009, 04:24:06 PM
I remember the story of Baschir, michael has purchased a luxury store many object and Baschir asked Michael where he intends to do everything here and michael has answered it for another house anyone know?
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: steph on December 30, 2009, 04:38:38 PM
Quote from: "Idéalo"
I remember the story of Baschir, michael has purchased a luxury store many object and Baschir asked Michael where he intends to do everything here and michael has answered it for another house anyone know?

I remember him saying that but have no idea where the other houses are
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Kirsche on December 30, 2009, 05:40:32 PM
Quote from: "steph"
Quote from: "Idéalo"
I remember the story of Baschir, michael has purchased a luxury store many object and Baschir asked Michael where he intends to do everything here and michael has answered it for another house anyone know?

I remember him saying that but have no idea where the other houses are


Could be the LAs Vegas Mansion or Carolwood Mansion
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Ninanina on December 30, 2009, 06:37:38 PM
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
Here ye go:
Pretty darn nice!!!


http://www.amwaj-islands.com/ (http://www.amwaj-islands.com/)


http://www.bahraintourism.com/default.a ... cle&id=561 (http://www.bahraintourism.com/default.asp?action=article&id=561)

But he lves trees so much!?
There aren't any...  :|
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Idéalo on December 30, 2009, 07:11:51 PM
media that they seem to know everything, or have left all the furniture in neverland, because there were many.
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: DancingTheDream on December 31, 2009, 11:08:02 PM
Yeah.. what has happened to all the stuff from Neverland?  All the furniture and art, etc.

Thats a lot of stuff thats been moved out and gone AWOL.
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: becca26 on January 01, 2010, 12:19:45 AM
On the old forum I made a thread how I feel like MJ is staying in the islands (the world)http://www.theworld.ae/ This could also be possible?
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: becca26 on January 01, 2010, 12:32:15 AM
Oh and just for the heck of it, the world has 7 principles , there is are 7. 1: Bespoke,2:Grand,3 Rare, 4 Visceral, 5:Intelligent. 6: Magical, 7:Legacy. Interesting. :)
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Jeje on January 01, 2010, 12:36:40 AM
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
Heres the video.....look at the people in the kitchen.


[youtube:8rbaohzv]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8ZS9v6bPuM&feature=related[/youtube:8rbaohzv]


Also the garden is beautiful, many flowers. Don't look like this.


They  must have made garden look well-groomed in 7 days.
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: becca26 on January 01, 2010, 01:12:53 AM
[attachment=0:1au9th8j]dubui.jpg[/attachment:1au9th8j]

Does'nt this remind you of something you seen in This is it? :D
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: becca26 on January 01, 2010, 01:18:51 AM
Quote from: "becca26"
[attachment=0:2qn1rqre]dubui.jpg[/attachment:2qn1rqre]

Does'nt this remind you of something you seen in This is it? :D
Around the 55 sec part of the video you will see the building behind the guys marching/dancing I think this reminded me of it, the pic above is in Dubai.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o94aqkxPbvQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o94aqkxPbvQ)
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: Whitesocks on January 01, 2010, 03:44:05 AM
i remember they brought for about 35000 dollars thing into Neverland a few days after he "died".

I wonder where the animals and the ferrywheel etc went to.
Title: Re: Neverland
Post by: mjisthemuses on January 01, 2010, 07:27:45 AM
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
Heres the video.....look at the people in the kitchen.


[youtube:228yeejp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8ZS9v6bPuM&feature=related[/youtube:228yeejp]

yeah, am a chef and working at the quite big restaurant...even we are just 4 people in the kitchen , including the kitchen hand...
so...? it's like they're preparing something for an event...?
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