Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => The Child Molestation Accusations & Trial => Topic started by: everlastinglove_MJ on July 29, 2012, 05:16:50 PM
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I found news about William Wagener on the vindicatemj blog. Maybe this has already been posted on another thread:
William Wagener, CEO of MJJIFF, has turned up the HEAT.
A new documentary about the 2005 child molestation trial of The King of Pop, Michael Jackson, is slated to begin production sometimes before the end of this year.
Producer William Wagener announces that award-winning documentary filmmaker Bill Still, has been selected to direct the upcoming documentary film about the 2005 trial of legendary entertainer, Michael Jackson.
The letter of intent was signed on July 12, 2012 by William Wagener and Bill Still.
William Wagener will also present to the County Supervisors of Santa Barbara, for the first time, ever, an Affidavit of Criminal conduct by Tom Sneddon, former District Attorney and demand an independent investigation and INDICTMENT of Tom SNEDDON for committing THREE felonies during the Michael Jackson TRIAL in 2005.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cadeflaw/2012/07/24/whats-going-on-heat-has-been-turned-up
On August 14th, at 9:00 am on the Betteravia Government center, in Santa Maria, Ca. Addressing the monthly meeting of the County S.B. Supervisors, I shall give the supervisors official notice by affidavit that Sneddon committed 3 felonies in the trial, of MJ in 2005.
William Wagener will present to the County Supervisors of Santa Barbara, for the 1st time, ever, An Affidavit of Criminal conduct by Tom Sneddon, former Dictrict Atty. and demand a independent investigation and INDICTMENT of Tom SNEDDON for committing THREE felonies during the Michael Jackson TRIAL in 2005. Specifically to get Michael Jackson convicted false evidence was presented at court and caught by the Defense Atty.s Thomas Mesereau and Susan YU.
William Wagener invites all those who love justice or Michael Jackson to come and add 1 minute speeches after William Wagener’s presentment. And demand, like Mr. Wagener, that a special Prosecution of Thomas Sneddon be started by hiring a Special Prosecutor from outside Santa Barbara or even outside California, to investigate and Prosecute Thomas Sneddon.
Once this is done, the FRAUD is exposed and the statue of Limitations starts to run out. FRAUD by the Santa Barbara Dist. Atty. OFFICE “on the court”un-identified, and Uncorrected for the past 7 Years has prevented the Statute of Limitations from running out.
If you are coming to California anyway in August and can be there. Please be there. Show up for Michael’s sake. 9 am 1st Floor in the BetteraviaGovernmentCenter in Santa Maria, August 14th.
- William J. Wagener –
Each of the above three felonies is about fraud upon the court which is so severe a crime that fortunately it is not subject to any statute of limitation. Mary Brookins, one of the coordinators of the project, explains:
In the United States, when an officer of the court is found to have fraudulently presented facts to court so that the court is impaired in the impartial performance of its legal task, the act, known as “fraud upon the court”, is a crime deemed so severe and fundamentally opposed to the operation of justice that it is not subject to any statute of limitation.
Officers of the court include: lawyers, judges, referees, and those appointed; guardian ad litem, parenting time expeditors, mediators, rule 114 neutrals, evaluators, administrators, special appointees, and any others whose influence are part of the judicial mechanism.
“Fraud upon the court” has been defined by the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals to “embrace that species of fraud which does, or attempts to, defile the court itself, or is a fraud perpetrated by officers of the court so that the judicial machinery can not perform in the usual manner its impartial task of adjudging cases that are presented for adjudication”.
In Bullock v. United States, (10th Cir. 1985), the court stated “Fraud upon the court is fraud which is directed to the judicial machinery itself and is not fraud between the parties or fraudulent documents, false statements or perjury. … It is where the court or a member is corrupted or influenced or influence is attempted or where the judge has not performed his judicial function — thus where the impartial functions of the court have been directly corrupted.” Source: Wiki
http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/
L.O.V.E.
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Everlasting_Love MJ - THANK YOU SOOO MUCH!
I have followed Mr Wegener and truly believe his intentions are pure even though many think he's out for recognition and money. I don't feel that at all and have given towards the cause. However, recently when I went to the website it was down and it made me wonder if he wasn't able to collect enough money for the project. He's also become quiet on social media whereas he used to be very vocal. Maybe it's just that I'm not in the right circles, IDK.
However, this gives me great joy to see. Thank you so much!!! I wonder if this will be televised or at least documented by Mr. Wegener and his staff. August 14 - is there anything else special about that date?
This truly has made my day. Blessings to you all!
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I found news about William Wagener on the vindicatemj blog. Maybe this has already been posted on another thread:
William Wagener, CEO of MJJIFF, has turned up the HEAT.
A new documentary about the 2005 child molestation trial of The King of Pop, Michael Jackson, is slated to begin production sometimes before the end of this year.
Producer William Wagener announces that award-winning documentary filmmaker Bill Still, has been selected to direct the upcoming documentary film about the 2005 trial of legendary entertainer, Michael Jackson.
The letter of intent was signed on July 12, 2012 by William Wagener and Bill Still.
William Wagener will also present to the County Supervisors of Santa Barbara, for the first time, ever, an Affidavit of Criminal conduct by Tom Sneddon, former District Attorney and demand an independent investigation and INDICTMENT of Tom SNEDDON for committing THREE felonies during the Michael Jackson TRIAL in 2005.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cadeflaw/2012/07/24/whats-going-on-heat-has-been-turned-up
On August 14th, at 9:00 am on the Betteravia Government center, in Santa Maria, Ca. Addressing the monthly meeting of the County S.B. Supervisors, I shall give the supervisors official notice by affidavit that Sneddon committed 3 felonies in the trial, of MJ in 2005.
William Wagener will present to the County Supervisors of Santa Barbara, for the 1st time, ever, An Affidavit of Criminal conduct by Tom Sneddon, former Dictrict Atty. and demand a independent investigation and INDICTMENT of Tom SNEDDON for committing THREE felonies during the Michael Jackson TRIAL in 2005. Specifically to get Michael Jackson convicted false evidence was presented at court and caught by the Defense Atty.s Thomas Mesereau and Susan YU.
William Wagener invites all those who love justice or Michael Jackson to come and add 1 minute speeches after William Wagener’s presentment. And demand, like Mr. Wagener, that a special Prosecution of Thomas Sneddon be started by hiring a Special Prosecutor from outside Santa Barbara or even outside California, to investigate and Prosecute Thomas Sneddon.
Once this is done, the FRAUD is exposed and the statue of Limitations starts to run out. FRAUD by the Santa Barbara Dist. Atty. OFFICE “on the court”un-identified, and Uncorrected for the past 7 Years has prevented the Statute of Limitations from running out.
If you are coming to California anyway in August and can be there. Please be there. Show up for Michael’s sake. 9 am 1st Floor in the BetteraviaGovernmentCenter in Santa Maria, August 14th.
- William J. Wagener –
Each of the above three felonies is about fraud upon the court which is so severe a crime that fortunately it is not subject to any statute of limitation. Mary Brookins, one of the coordinators of the project, explains:
In the United States, when an officer of the court is found to have fraudulently presented facts to court so that the court is impaired in the impartial performance of its legal task, the act, known as “fraud upon the court”, is a crime deemed so severe and fundamentally opposed to the operation of justice that it is not subject to any statute of limitation.
Officers of the court include: lawyers, judges, referees, and those appointed; guardian ad litem, parenting time expeditors, mediators, rule 114 neutrals, evaluators, administrators, special appointees, and any others whose influence are part of the judicial mechanism.
“Fraud upon the court” has been defined by the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals to “embrace that species of fraud which does, or attempts to, defile the court itself, or is a fraud perpetrated by officers of the court so that the judicial machinery can not perform in the usual manner its impartial task of adjudging cases that are presented for adjudication”.
In Bullock v. United States, (10th Cir. 1985), the court stated “Fraud upon the court is fraud which is directed to the judicial machinery itself and is not fraud between the parties or fraudulent documents, false statements or perjury. … It is where the court or a member is corrupted or influenced or influence is attempted or where the judge has not performed his judicial function — thus where the impartial functions of the court have been directly corrupted.” Source: Wiki
http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/
L.O.V.E.
I've been waiting for this to materialize. Finally!
Thanks for posting this.
Thank you Mr. Wagener.
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Guys, do you remember awhile back when it was stated that there were a post it on the mirror in Michael's bathroom that stated that children are innocent. Do you think he was talking about Jordan. Another thing, correct me if I am wrong on this, but was there not a recording of a phone conversation between Mr. Evan Chandler and I do not know if this was his pyschiatrist(sp) in which he stated that he was going to take Michael down. I think that there is a transcript out there some where on this conversation.
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@Sandal - you are correct. There is an audio tape where Jordan's dad was talking about taking MJ down and something to the effect of "he won't see what's hit him" or something like that.
Your thought on the Post-It not is worth thinking about - maybe a double meaning? Michael likes to plant seeds into people's minds and this could be one of them.
Glad to have you here - welcome :)
Blessings
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Guys, I got a Duh! moment. I did not put it together until just now after I wrote the previous post. Book on Tapes= Transcripts of conversations ie interviews as well as copies of phone conversations with all of the involved parties. Dated and time stamped so that no one can say that the documents were altered. Now wonder if all of the allegations and the court apperance of Michael Jackson would be erase from the Justice System Database.
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Guys, do you remember awhile back when it was stated that there were a post it on the mirror in Michael's bathroom that stated that children are innocent. Do you think he was talking about Jordan. Another thing, correct me if I am wrong on this, but was there not a recording of a phone conversation between Mr. Evan Chandler and I do not know if this was his pyschiatrist(sp) in which he stated that he was going to take Michael down. I think that there is a transcript out there some where on this conversation.
Here is the phone call between Evan Chandler and Dave Schwartz (Jordy's stepfather):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlBFTKgRQRc&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL9A69305B3898D51B
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I found news about William Wagener on the vindicatemj blog. Maybe this has already been posted on another thread:
William Wagener, CEO of MJJIFF, has turned up the HEAT.
A new documentary about the 2005 child molestation trial of The King of Pop, Michael Jackson, is slated to begin production sometimes before the end of this year.
Producer William Wagener announces that award-winning documentary filmmaker Bill Still, has been selected to direct the upcoming documentary film about the 2005 trial of legendary entertainer, Michael Jackson.
The letter of intent was signed on July 12, 2012 by William Wagener and Bill Still.
William Wagener will also present to the County Supervisors of Santa Barbara, for the first time, ever, an Affidavit of Criminal conduct by Tom Sneddon, former District Attorney and demand an independent investigation and INDICTMENT of Tom SNEDDON for committing THREE felonies during the Michael Jackson TRIAL in 2005.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cadeflaw/2012/07/24/whats-going-on-heat-has-been-turned-up
On August 14th, at 9:00 am on the Betteravia Government center, in Santa Maria, Ca. Addressing the monthly meeting of the County S.B. Supervisors, I shall give the supervisors official notice by affidavit that Sneddon committed 3 felonies in the trial, of MJ in 2005.
William Wagener will present to the County Supervisors of Santa Barbara, for the 1st time, ever, An Affidavit of Criminal conduct by Tom Sneddon, former Dictrict Atty. and demand a independent investigation and INDICTMENT of Tom SNEDDON for committing THREE felonies during the Michael Jackson TRIAL in 2005. Specifically to get Michael Jackson convicted false evidence was presented at court and caught by the Defense Atty.s Thomas Mesereau and Susan YU.
William Wagener invites all those who love justice or Michael Jackson to come and add 1 minute speeches after William Wagener’s presentment. And demand, like Mr. Wagener, that a special Prosecution of Thomas Sneddon be started by hiring a Special Prosecutor from outside Santa Barbara or even outside California, to investigate and Prosecute Thomas Sneddon.
Once this is done, the FRAUD is exposed and the statue of Limitations starts to run out. FRAUD by the Santa Barbara Dist. Atty. OFFICE “on the court”un-identified, and Uncorrected for the past 7 Years has prevented the Statute of Limitations from running out.
If you are coming to California anyway in August and can be there. Please be there. Show up for Michael’s sake. 9 am 1st Floor in the BetteraviaGovernmentCenter in Santa Maria, August 14th.
- William J. Wagener –
Each of the above three felonies is about fraud upon the court which is so severe a crime that fortunately it is not subject to any statute of limitation. Mary Brookins, one of the coordinators of the project, explains:
In the United States, when an officer of the court is found to have fraudulently presented facts to court so that the court is impaired in the impartial performance of its legal task, the act, known as “fraud upon the court”, is a crime deemed so severe and fundamentally opposed to the operation of justice that it is not subject to any statute of limitation.
Officers of the court include: lawyers, judges, referees, and those appointed; guardian ad litem, parenting time expeditors, mediators, rule 114 neutrals, evaluators, administrators, special appointees, and any others whose influence are part of the judicial mechanism.
“Fraud upon the court” has been defined by the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals to “embrace that species of fraud which does, or attempts to, defile the court itself, or is a fraud perpetrated by officers of the court so that the judicial machinery can not perform in the usual manner its impartial task of adjudging cases that are presented for adjudication”.
In Bullock v. United States, (10th Cir. 1985), the court stated “Fraud upon the court is fraud which is directed to the judicial machinery itself and is not fraud between the parties or fraudulent documents, false statements or perjury. … It is where the court or a member is corrupted or influenced or influence is attempted or where the judge has not performed his judicial function — thus where the impartial functions of the court have been directly corrupted.” Source: Wiki
http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/
L.O.V.E.
:michael_jackson-1135: :abouttime: :th_bravo:
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Me too, MJonmind.
The prophecy states that this has already occurred, but not yet been made public; "has already, years ago, righted the wrong behind the scenes".
T-M mentioned in the prophecy can refer to Thomas Mesereau, especially when connected to JJ's statement to MJJC that Mesereau was "going to prove it anyway".
"Books on tape" can mean a lot of things but my first instinct was to believe Jordy recants in detail ("books"=an entire novel series?) on a recorded statement.
Video statements have become wildly popular throughout this hoax. They allow the public to hear statements made directly by the source, allow the viewer to observe body language, and even allow the videographer to insert visual suggestions and subconscious messages (through use of background set and prop design) to the viewer. All these elements allow the viewer to make a more informed and educated impression of the message then the use of text, audio, or image alone.
I connect those dots to form a theory that in MJ's possession there exists a video statement of Jordy recanting the allegations and probably also exposing his father's role in the conspiracy to destroy Michael Jackson.
I take Front's statement:
This vision is VERY applicable and has increased with CLARITY. Blurry? Absolutely not! it's clear---as CRYSTAL.
& that "crystal ball" hasn't fully dropped…..YET.
as indicating that this information going public is in store for the future.
Lines up with the statements from the family (I have heard Katherine and Jermaine say this in interviews) that the "boy" has already admitted Michael never did anything to him, that it was all lies.
The general public has not seen this admission "books on tape" from Jordy yet - but I bet the family has.
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this is what this means IMO, he wont comeback until jordan chandler has said that it was all a lie, that he was never abused.........and its about time, bc jordan is more than old enough now........it is the right thing for him to do..........
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http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cadeflaw/2012/07/24/whats-going-on-heat-has-been-turned-up
Waggener talks about malicious prosecution that he thinks to bring against Sneddon.
BUT, statute of limitation is 1 year.
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http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cadeflaw/2012/07/24/whats-going-on-heat-has-been-turned-up
Waggener talks about malicious prosecution that he thinks to bring against Sneddon.
BUT, statute of limitation is 1 year.
As far as I get it, the accusation is fraud upon court, which doesn't have a statue of limitation. But what I don't get is why they mention a 7-year statue of limitations:
Once this is done, the FRAUD is exposed and the statue of Limitations starts to run out. FRAUD by the Santa Barbara Dist. Atty. OFFICE “on the court”un-identified, and Uncorrected for the past 7 Years has prevented the Statute of Limitations from running out.
Anyone familiar with Californian law who can explain that?
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I split the topic because this was now buried in the Front thread.
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Damn I hope they throw the book at his ass!!!! What a piece of shit that
dude is...... LETS GO WW get em man!!!!!! We all have your back RIGHtlT AUSSIE??
Hahahahahaah seriously I hope you take him DOWN ww!!!!!! YM
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If you are coming to California anyway in August and can be there. Please be there. Show up for Michael’s sake. 9 am 1st Floor in the BetteraviaGovernmentCenter in Santa Maria, August 14th.
- William J. Wagener –
What a shame I can't be there..........Are there any members that live close to the location? It would be fantastic to show your support for MJ and William...
@ Souza...Its been 7 years since the 2005 trial...2005 + 7 = 2012. Perhaps William Wagener means that???
This is terrific news....Time to clear a clean path for the return/ressurection of Michael Jackson... :multiplespotting: :multiplespotting: :multiplespotting:
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This is Huge
This is Awesome
This is Justice (the beginning of)
Bout' bloody time! (Sorry that must sound so aussie! LOL)
On this petition site there are 928 signatures in support of the affadavit. The goal is to collect 1000 signatures in support. Just putting the link here, not saying what you should and shouldnt do re: leaving your full name and location on the public petition, but just thought I'd share it for those interested.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/662/053/218/support-of-affidavit-concerning-criminal-conduct-of-tom-sneddon-2005-michael-jackson-trial/
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Have just seen that you can check a box that hides your name from the display, for those who are inclined to sign. Please do your research first.
#petition
Also, just thinking out loud, will be interesting to see when / after all this happens if slimey TS names names or at least illudes to others above him who may have been involved or assigned TS to be the grotesque puppet for this task...
I'd so LOOOVE for the whole truth to come out!
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Geraldine Hughes "Redemption" movie is in production and should be ready by August 2013.
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http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cadeflaw/2012/07/28/geraldine-hughes-presents-redemption--the-movie-2013
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This was on my Facebook page:
http://www.facebook.com/william.j.wagener/posts/342444285837066
William J. Wagener
Friday at 10:01 near Santa Maria, CA ·
A FAN ASKED ME TODAY. How is the Documentary going? Good Question. Here is my answer.
That is the precise reason after years of being quiet since 2005, and stimulated by Dee Pfeiffer in UK request, I realized that being the only non-MJ fan who was in the Media Pool in 2005, with access to be in and I was in the courtroom every day for 5 torturous months, ... I realized I could predict with absolute certainty that M.J. was innocent of any wrong doing to any of the Arvizos, because I could connect the dots of last weeks to next weeks testimony. FANS did not care, they knew he was "innocent" because they knew his spirit of his music. Non fans only heard the Media twisted insinuations and distortions, and the accusations but the Media never clearly said , "Hey, every accuser was proven a liar with their own words".
Once that sank in, about 2008, I expected MJ to sue, once he recovered from the emotional beating of 5 months staring at life in prison for something he did not do, I expected MJ to sue for Malicious prosecution. Then the 02 deal, then dead too soon, and I was in shock. Then Diana Delusional Dimond and others started with their lies and Dee Pfeiffer called me, emailed me etc. and after about 8 months of thought, created a CHARITY, MJJIFF, MJJ Innocent Forever Foundation, to keep giving to the children MJ had. Except it had no million $
start up money. so I proposed to Michelle Jackson, Michael's favorite aunt who lives close to Neverland, and is on the Board of Directors of MJJIFF, that we do the Documentary and put it on TV locally and globally and show the world on the same TV sets that dirtied up M.J. that it was all a lie, and more importantly a pre-medicated malicious lie with MEDIA networks looking to cash in on a GUILTY verdict. AND THE MJJIFF would own the Film Rights, and profit form the DvD and annual release of the Film, funding it so it can give to the Children of the world, and start MJ plan to "Heal the World", no small task.
Now two ways to finance it. 1) have Fans of MJ or Justice donate small amounts, but a million donations add up. and do NOT have to be repaid, so the FILM RIGHTS are not liened against. 2) Get a Hollywood person to finance it and they would, but they would want generous "return" on their "investment" and in so doing, if they perceive the Truth is not juicy enough, they would insist on "revisions" that deviate from the truth and have more "sale-ability" ... and so I opt for #1 methode.
Besides I think the MJ Fans deserve to be able to say when its all done and seen around the world. "HEY, I donated, my name is in the credits at the end, I helped HEAL THE WORLD".
The Truth of how the prosecutors conspired to fake the evidence long before trial and how they tried to get police to lie
on the witness stand and failed in open court is amazing by itself, but there is much more, and It would take hours to explain it... and I will in the documentary, and Award winning BILL STILL, who won the Documentary Award for "THE
SECRET of OZ" has signed on to do the directing. We are already looking for the screen writters, etc.
WE just need 1 million or so, of the 40 million MJ fans around the world to donate on line at www.MJJIFF.org , but so far only you and about 3000 have even heard of much less gotten the fuller explaination I just gave you. SO, at great inconvenience, I am buying tickets at my expense to go to Europe and talk to the Fans of MJ with Bill Still in September to explain and reach a larger audience and already there is excitement in Europe for my traveling there. Donations have ranged from $3 to $1000 and every thing in between most are $20 or E20, and slow. WE will not hire a publicist or promoter, and its up to the FANS... they can make it happen any week or month they chose... but first they have to HEAR about it,and mostly they haven't and spend all their time chatting and designing new personal web sites and making monuments to M.J. in parks, etc.
The CM trial distracted them for a while, now is time to concentrate on Clearing MJ name on TV where they dirtied up
his reputation for fast bucks. It will take time and perseverence, but I am 66 and retired, mostly. I still do a local TV show at my own expense, with no ads, about Government corruption.
THAT is how it is going my young MJ fan. I again, am NOT a MJ Fanatic, I never splent $100 on a tour ticket, never bought any of his music , until after the trial of 2005, I don't like THRILLER, but I can say with absolute certainty. MJ was and will be forever more INNOCENT, and I said in April of 2005, long before the JURY, because the evidence was so obviously fabricated. I am a fan of truth and Justice. IF M.J. had been the least guilty of something, I would have said so.
He was not. Michael will be innocent of all 14 charges.
The only thing M.J. was guilty of ...was picking sleazy people , like Atty. Marc Schafel to do business with and Gavin Arvizo to help. That is poor judgement, but maybe MJ never had many truly honorable people come through is life to pick from, and if a few did, with his child like mental view of the world, maybe he did not recognize them. But that is NOT a crime, its
bad judgement, and 3 days of his financial disclosure during the trial proved that, but did nothing toward advancing his guilt
of the 10 felonies & 4 mis-demeanor charges added at the end. It was boring and was put on only to drag MJ thru more torture and reveal how vulnerable he was financially, so that the very people who say they "saved" Neverland and M.J. financial butt could deal a more severe "deal" in "helping" Michael. And that is what happened AFTER the Jury Verdict. Thomas Mesereau had to wait until last year to collect his last $300,000 in atty. fees from the estate, because MJ was so broke. Neverland is still 50% owned by Tom Baracks investment group and closed to the public, but I still have HOPE, FAITH that after the film is produced and seen world wide it will be a block buster, and every AD agency will want to pay to adverize during the film on TV and the FILM will bring in money steady, and MJJIFF will then help "Heal the World" , maybe build the MJ Childrens Hospital off Hwy 101 near Neverland, buy back Neverland and restore it. Without Hope, it is a dark world. A dreary World. With Hope and Faith, much is possible.
Thanks for your encouragement, I have much to do. I do like a lot of MJ music especially the last stuff, just not THRILLER, but most I love the video and photos of MJ holding sick and suffering children in hospitals and orphanges around
the world. THAT is the M.J. I treasure most. I am a father of 7, and I could not always afford to help my children. What M.J. started his true believers must Finish. Failure is NOT an Option. hope you sign the petition on line to INDICT the prosecutors of 05.
Blessings And Peace to you and all MJ fans and fans of Justice.
William J. WAgener.
MJJ-IFF
www.mjjiff.org
This cause is aimed at supporting Mr. William Wagener in his endeavor to indict Tom Sneddon, the district attorney of Santa Barbara county who filed a criminal suit against our
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Geraldine Hughes is putting out a movie? Awesome! Thanks for sharing :)
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This is Huge
This is Awesome
This is Justice (the beginning of)
Bout' bloody time! (Sorry that must sound so aussie! LOL)
On this petition site there are 928 signatures in support of the affadavit. The goal is to collect 1000 signatures in support. Just putting the link here, not saying what you should and shouldnt do re: leaving your full name and location on the public petition, but just thought I'd share it for those interested.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/662/053/218/support-of-affidavit-concerning-criminal-conduct-of-tom-sneddon-2005-michael-jackson-trial/
Thank you and Bless you Aussie, for sharing this!! I have posted it on my FB page, and signed the petition!
I send you all LOVE and Blessings!! :bearhug:
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Everlasing, thanks for posting this, I hope and pray this large error in history will be put right. Can't wait for that day.
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Thanks for sharing Aussie I have just signed the petition and I wrote: how could an angel molest a child?
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http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cadeflaw/2012/07/24/whats-going-on-heat-has-been-turned-up
Waggener talks about malicious prosecution that he thinks to bring against Sneddon.
BUT, statute of limitation is 1 year.
As far as I get it, the accusation is fraud upon court, which doesn't have a statue of limitation. But what I don't get is why they mention a 7-year statue of limitations:
Once this is done, the FRAUD is exposed and the statue of Limitations starts to run out. FRAUD by the Santa Barbara Dist. Atty. OFFICE “on the court”un-identified, and Uncorrected for the past 7 Years has prevented the Statute of Limitations from running out.
Anyone familiar with Californian law who can explain that?
Overall interpretation is complicated, cannot be discussed in its entirety in 2 sentences. But in general it will look like this: since statute of limitation for fraud in CA is 3 years, for malicious prosecution is 1 year. Wagener first need to prove that there was a fraudulent action, then request court to waive statute of limitation on fraud that was recently discovered,then bring felony charges against Sneddon for fraud, afterwads maybe also for malicious prosecution if court again waives statute of limitation.
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There should be a thread about this in the archives with a lot of information. I remember it well.
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http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cadeflaw/2012/07/24/whats-going-on-heat-has-been-turned-up
Waggener talks about malicious prosecution that he thinks to bring against Sneddon.
BUT, statute of limitation is 1 year.
As far as I get it, the accusation is fraud upon court, which doesn't have a statue of limitation. But what I don't get is why they mention a 7-year statue of limitations:
Once this is done, the FRAUD is exposed and the statue of Limitations starts to run out. FRAUD by the Santa Barbara Dist. Atty. OFFICE “on the court”un-identified, and Uncorrected for the past 7 Years has prevented the Statute of Limitations from running out.
Anyone familiar with Californian law who can explain that?
Overall interpretation is complicated, cannot be discussed in its entirety in 2 sentences. But in general it will look like this: since statute of limitation for fraud in CA is 3 years, for malicious prosecution is 1 year. Wagener first need to prove that there was a fraudulent action, then request court to waive statute of limitation on fraud that was recently discovered,then bring felony charges against Sneddon for fraud, afterwads maybe also for malicious prosecution if court again waives statute of limitation.
Or the crooked roads of the laws.......
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@Guestfortheday - thank you for sharing that information. It seems as though you are knowledgeable about CA law. So, do you know if the courts have waived the statute of limitation before?
Blessings
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Not sure if it fits this case but I have heard of statutes being waived if in fact there is an ongoing conspiracy relative to the fraud and/or criminal activity.
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I can't wait for the day to see this creature behind bars!! :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce:
I can't wait for the day when all the trash tabloids will eat their own crap when they will see Sneddon behind bars for having attempted to frame Michael with those trials!! :icon_bounce:
If Sneddon falls, then he won't be the only ONE !! Some more sh_t heads will fall together with him! because he wasn't alone in this conspiracy against Michael!
I can't wait for the day to see all those snakes crawling behind bars! :icon_bounce:
^^ THAT will be day of the true ACQUITTAL of Michael in Front of the whole world!!
^^ THAT will be the day when his name will be completely cleared out beyond any shadow of the doubt!! that these bastards succeeded to cast upon him!
^^ THAT will be the day when all the dumb stubborn people will open their eyes and finally see the TRUTH both about Michael and the way they had left themselves be manipulated by the media against an innocent man!
I think that Michael waits for THAT ^^ to happen before the BAM! This way he simply adds one more STRONG justification for his death hoax, besides the death threats and all the other reasons why he HAD to do IT!
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@Sim - I think you are right. And I love how you think.
I don't see Michael coming back before he's cleared of these allegations in the mind of the world at large. It wasn't good enough to be found innocent in a court of law just like it wasn't good enough when the FBI files came out and said he was hunted for a decade by Sneddon and his group only to have nothing turn up.
We will wait and the end will be sweet reward. If that happens I can wait for as long as it takes.
Blessings to you!
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@Voice: yep! that's exactly how we both think! :icon_e_wink:
Blessings to you tooo! :bearhug:
Here's an interesting video
Michael Jackson - The truth as spoken by Tom Mesereau
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQlQlVFyZp4&feature=g-all-u[/youtube]
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@ guestfortheday
That was great explanation of CA law. Thank you. I hope you stay for more than just a day! :icon_e_smile:
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I remember when all of this started and I was a newbie member....wow, that was a long time ago.....
I wrote something about wishing that this hoax was about clearing Michael's good name,
restoring his reputation fully and seeing that justice is served. I have never stopped wishing or preying
for that moment. To see things finally come to fruition is almost too much to hope for. I can literally
cry at the thought of it all. All I can offer are my preyers, my hopes, my wishes for a truth and justice
so richly deserved.
I think you are correct, Sim...if Sneddon falls more will follow....ah, such a thought:
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTiiKAq_2Th4IcPZ8sgw5jPvZOIPfDyIQMvhY8EWjr0yPeYkwnU)
Blessings Always
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@Guestfortheday - thank you for sharing that information. It seems as though you are knowledgeable about CA law. So, do you know if the courts have waived the statute of limitation before?
Blessings
thank you. I actually have to correct my statement. There will be petition to court not to "Waive" but "Eliminate" statute of limitation. Sneddon would have been the one who could request "to waive" statute of lim. on his behalf. lol
In this case, that's not gonna happen.
Attorney who will be representing Wagener on behalf of MJ "postmortem" needs to submit petition to remove St. of Lim. This procedure is not unusual but not all types of crimes eligible. They have work to do, won't be easy.
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Thank you again, Guestfortheday. I wonder if Mr Wegener has petitioned Tom Mesereau for advice? I would hope so as he's so intelligent and upright. Susan Yu as well.
I look forward to hearing more from you. Please stick around.
Blessings!
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@guestfortheday.......
what is your feeling on whether this might be a case for late discovery....because of documents now being made available perhaps?
Or a case for tolling, effectively stopping the statute, due to the fact there was a minor involved.
Using either of these arguments could halt/turn back the time of the statute. What do you think of these.......
Thank you too for all your information....much appreciated.
Blessings
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I think you are correct, Sim...if Sneddon falls more will follow....ah, such a thought:
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTiiKAq_2Th4IcPZ8sgw5jPvZOIPfDyIQMvhY8EWjr0yPeYkwnU)
(http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Respect/victoire-584.gif)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eumg-g9F8bs&feature=channel&list=UL[/youtube]
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/vforveqlq.jpg)
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That is a fantastic video...I have always loved White Night's stuff.....just awesomely put together videos! Thanks for posting this one Sim......
I am still of the suspicion that the Catholic Church/or someone close to it, was behind the allegations.
I mentioned I did post a long time ago about Sneddon and the church (can't find it right now...will keep looking).....I believe the one who truly had enough power and money was Rupert Murdoch. I think linking Sneddon and Murdoch together would be golden. I'm digging around for it. Here's my post from 2011:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=19872.msg343966#msg343966
I posted this recently on TIAI 25.....trying to go off of TS's open to different theories. However, it really needs to be on a thread like this.....Souza, hope it's OK I just copied it over......trying to save you a step if possible. You already do so much. Here it is:
Hey guys....
I thought I'd post some thoughts here....there are some brilliant minds here. I need some help with this train of thought....hoping someone might jump on board, lol.
I have been thinking this Rupert Murdoch thing is bigger than all heck. It reaches into many different, dark corners of so-called journalism/media. You can google what he owns...it's astounding.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assets_owned_by_News_Corporation
In the world of media...he can dominate. I have found that he is member of the Order of St. Gregory. a Catholic knighthood:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_St._Gregory_the_Great
and might lose it:
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2011/07/08/debate-should-rupert-murdochs-papal-knighthood-be-rescinded/
Murdoch claims not to be very religious, however, his wife is catholic:
http://www.nndb.com/people/420/000023351/
His current wife is interesting...he married her 17 days after his divorce from Anna......on June 25,1999.
Now, that all set the stage for my thought train:
1) I can't help but think there is a link to Tommy Mottola (Universal Music Group/Casablanca Records??)
2) Is the link to Mottola a bad one...or was Mottola onto something about Murdoch?
3) The knighthood thing is extremely interesting to me. There is talk of him being Jewish, being Catholic, not being anything. The Order of St. Gregory is interesting to read about:
http://www.chivalricorders.org/vatican/gregory.htm
http://www.knightsofchristsmercy.com/st_gregory.html
4) Is there a link to some of the medals/ribbons that Michael wore during the trial...they are similar to the Order's medals...you can see it in above links.
5) Murdoch's News of the World is the one that published the deathbed picture:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pECpNZ3bNk
6) Since when does a state thank a religion?
http://www.knightsofchristsmercy.com/pdf/California_Legislature_Community_Service_Assembly_Award.pdf
7) Here is my million dollar thought.....
Is there a link between Michael's accusations and Murdoch? In order to shed light away from the Catholic church's own scandals at the time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases) did Murdoch knowingly set up Michael in the media and public's eyes? Was it for knighthood? A promise to the church? He certainly had the means to set him up....the church, the state, the media empire at his call. Was he the crux of it all? Did Murdoch enable the media to run with wild accusations about Michael?
Anyways....that's a start.
I have tried to summarize things here.....sorry for the long, rambling post.
I'd appreciate any feedback, thoughts...TS, that includes you! We all have different thoughts and opinions...it's only together that we are strong enough to face the adversity of belief. Being a beLIEver means more than just believing in a death hoax. It means you are in it for the long haul....believing in Michael and his family.
I wish you all nothing but the best blessings always!
LOVE
PS>
OMGsoh.....I just googled...... Rupert Murdoch Elvis Presley
I don't have time right now....but there is a huge amount! I will read through it more and post later....just fyi.
Blessings!
*I had to update a couple of links that were no good anymore...but most of the links were fine.....
just fyi........
Thanks again Sim.......I prey Wagener will find all the links, all the info, all the everything he needs to
take down the scum that framed Michael. It's going to be tough, but the truth will prevail.
Blessings Always
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@Wishy: Wow!! :omg: Fantastic job !! (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Respect/gentleman.gif)
Thank you!!
There's no doubt in my mind that there's a link between everything! Nothing is just hazard!
Sneddon [corrupt Justice system/Government-Power] ---> Mottola [darkside of Music Industry-Power] ---> Murdoch [the Media-Power] ---> catholic church [Vatican- religious Power] ---> etc... and so many other more or less known!
^^ These are the "domino pieces" of the dirty chain of The Powers That Be who tried to TIE Michael so hard down to the ground!
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That is a fantastic video...I have always loved White Night's stuff.....just awesomely put together videos! Thanks for posting this one Sim......
I am still of the suspicion that the Catholic Church/or someone close to it, was behind the allegations.
I mentioned I did post a long time ago about Sneddon and the church (can't find it right now...will keep looking).....I believe the one who truly had enough power and money was Rupert Murdoch. I think linking Sneddon and Murdoch together would be golden. I'm digging around for it. Here's my post from 2011:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=19872.msg343966#msg343966
I posted this recently on TIAI 25.....trying to go off of TS's open to different theories. However, it really needs to be on a thread like this.....Souza, hope it's OK I just copied it over......trying to save you a step if possible. You already do so much. Here it is:
Hey guys....
I thought I'd post some thoughts here....there are some brilliant minds here. I need some help with this train of thought....hoping someone might jump on board, lol.
I have been thinking this Rupert Murdoch thing is bigger than all heck. It reaches into many different, dark corners of so-called journalism/media. You can google what he owns...it's astounding.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assets_owned_by_News_Corporation
In the world of media...he can dominate. I have found that he is member of the Order of St. Gregory. a Catholic knighthood:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_St._Gregory_the_Great
and might lose it:
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2011/07/08/debate-should-rupert-murdochs-papal-knighthood-be-rescinded/
Murdoch claims not to be very religious, however, his wife is catholic:
http://www.nndb.com/people/420/000023351/
His current wife is interesting...he married her 17 days after his divorce from Anna......on June 25,1999.
Now, that all set the stage for my thought train:
1) I can't help but think there is a link to Tommy Mottola (Universal Music Group/Casablanca Records??)
2) Is the link to Mottola a bad one...or was Mottola onto something about Murdoch?
3) The knighthood thing is extremely interesting to me. There is talk of him being Jewish, being Catholic, not being anything. The Order of St. Gregory is interesting to read about:
http://www.chivalricorders.org/vatican/gregory.htm
http://www.knightsofchristsmercy.com/st_gregory.html
4) Is there a link to some of the medals/ribbons that Michael wore during the trial...they are similar to the Order's medals...you can see it in above links.
5) Murdoch's News of the World is the one that published the deathbed picture:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pECpNZ3bNk
6) Since when does a state thank a religion?
http://www.knightsofchristsmercy.com/pdf/California_Legislature_Community_Service_Assembly_Award.pdf
7) Here is my million dollar thought.....
Is there a link between Michael's accusations and Murdoch? In order to shed light away from the Catholic church's own scandals at the time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases) did Murdoch knowingly set up Michael in the media and public's eyes? Was it for knighthood? A promise to the church? He certainly had the means to set him up....the church, the state, the media empire at his call. Was he the crux of it all? Did Murdoch enable the media to run with wild accusations about Michael?
Anyways....that's a start.
I have tried to summarize things here.....sorry for the long, rambling post.
I'd appreciate any feedback, thoughts...TS, that includes you! We all have different thoughts and opinions...it's only together that we are strong enough to face the adversity of belief. Being a beLIEver means more than just believing in a death hoax. It means you are in it for the long haul....believing in Michael and his family.
I wish you all nothing but the best blessings always!
LOVE
PS>
OMGsoh.....I just googled...... Rupert Murdoch Elvis Presley
I don't have time right now....but there is a huge amount! I will read through it more and post later....just fyi.
Blessings!
*I had to update a couple of links that were no good anymore...but most of the links were fine.....
just fyi........
Thanks again Sim.......I prey Wagener will find all the links, all the info, all the everything he needs to
take down the scum that framed Michael. It's going to be tough, but the truth will prevail.
Blessings Always
A member of this forum, I believe that in 2010 published a good post about the scandals in the catholic church and the pedophilia, and how that could be related to everything that happened to him Michael.
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[....]His current wife is interesting...he married her 17 days after his divorce from Anna......on June 25,1999.[...]
Jesus !! :suspect: How come this date keeps Popping up so many times everywhere something is related to Michael!? :animal0017:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/murdochmed.jpg)
@Wishy: you are amazing!! Last year when I made these montages with Michael during the 2005 Trial wearing all these strange badges, insignia, symbols, etc... I thought of some Illuminati order... But it didn't make much sense to me back then... or I wasn't very sure which one of them... Anyway, I DO believe Michael wore these things for a PURPOSE and not just because he likes badges and insignia lol i think it was a clever and subtle message! something like "I know who's behind all this! I know who framed me!"
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/mj2005yny.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/mj2005lhl.jpg)
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Tom Sneddon gives me disgust, is an evil and corrupt. Here is another link to sign me and steady. http://www.thepetitionsite.com/662/053/218/support-of-affidavit-concerning-criminal-conduct-of-tom-sneddon-2005-michael-jackson-trial/?cid=FB_Share
Tom Sneddon and DS, play on words?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeQVyUO3eKk&feature=player_embedded#![/youtube]
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That is really really interesting about the Catholic Church and Murdoch and the possible timing of the allegations in 1993 and 2003.
When I was reading all of those links it made me think of something Travis Payne says during the auditions for the dancers in "This Is It", and I have often pondered as to what he *really* means, as I think This is It is full of double meanings and innuendo so I reckon this is one of them at 0:09 seconds:
"The idea was get the BIG FISH from all over the world and put 'em in the same pond" .... then boom straight into Smooth Criminal routine....
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGDSG1dsDjA[/youtube]
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@Adi...you're brilliant.....yes, "big fish"...really, really big fish!
The bigger the fish, the bigger the smooth criminal, lol!
LOVE
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lol.... wishingstar..... I wish I were, but thanks!
.......it went "click" in my head - that line with the great posts in this thread....yes indeed...really really big fish behind those hideous b.s. allegations set to frame MJ and distract people from the truth of the horrible things that were really taking place.
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MJ-REVIVAL- Berlin Germany BILL STILL & William Wagener - part 1
Published on Jul 22, 2012 by williamjwagener: "Bill STILL , Director of "The SECRET of OZ" and CEO of MJJIFF will meet & Greet MJ fans in Berlin Germany 29th of Sept. 2012."
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6LqIDVciec&feature=channel&list=UL[/youtube]
BILL STILL , Michael Jackson will be Exonerated in PUBLIC EYE -part 2
Published on Aug 1, 2012 by williamjwagener: "Bill Still & William Wagener at Holly Terrace, declare to do the documentary and re-create the corruption of the Melville Courtroom and the antics of the Prosecutor & witnesses. And they will appear at the BERLIN, Germany MJ-Revival. Short version in AVI quality."
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OSjxZPYqP8[/youtube]
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:th_bravo: :th_bravo: :abouttime: :abouttime:
I just saw this on Twitter and it's spreading.....
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I haven't seen this vid of Wagener and Brian Oxman before, in which Oxman admits that Sneddon committed fraud in the trial:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MkfLzxMG0M&NR=1&feature=endscreen [/youtube]
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That is a fantastic video...I have always loved White Night's stuff.....just awesomely put together videos! Thanks for posting this one Sim......
I am still of the suspicion that the Catholic Church/or someone close to it, was behind the allegations.
I mentioned I did post a long time ago about Sneddon and the church (can't find it right now...will keep looking).....I believe the one who truly had enough power and money was Rupert Murdoch. I think linking Sneddon and Murdoch together would be golden. I'm digging around for it. Here's my post from 2011:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=19872.msg343966#msg343966
I posted this recently on TIAI 25.....trying to go off of TS's open to different theories. However, it really needs to be on a thread like this.....Souza, hope it's OK I just copied it over......trying to save you a step if possible. You already do so much. Here it is:
Hey guys....
I thought I'd post some thoughts here....there are some brilliant minds here. I need some help with this train of thought....hoping someone might jump on board, lol.
I have been thinking this Rupert Murdoch thing is bigger than all heck. It reaches into many different, dark corners of so-called journalism/media. You can google what he owns...it's astounding.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assets_owned_by_News_Corporation
In the world of media...he can dominate. I have found that he is member of the Order of St. Gregory. a Catholic knighthood:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_St._Gregory_the_Great
and might lose it:
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2011/07/08/debate-should-rupert-murdochs-papal-knighthood-be-rescinded/
Murdoch claims not to be very religious, however, his wife is catholic:
http://www.nndb.com/people/420/000023351/
His current wife is interesting...he married her 17 days after his divorce from Anna......on June 25,1999.
Now, that all set the stage for my thought train:
1) I can't help but think there is a link to Tommy Mottola (Universal Music Group/Casablanca Records??)
2) Is the link to Mottola a bad one...or was Mottola onto something about Murdoch?
3) The knighthood thing is extremely interesting to me. There is talk of him being Jewish, being Catholic, not being anything. The Order of St. Gregory is interesting to read about:
http://www.chivalricorders.org/vatican/gregory.htm
http://www.knightsofchristsmercy.com/st_gregory.html
4) Is there a link to some of the medals/ribbons that Michael wore during the trial...they are similar to the Order's medals...you can see it in above links.
5) Murdoch's News of the World is the one that published the deathbed picture:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pECpNZ3bNk
6) Since when does a state thank a religion?
http://www.knightsofchristsmercy.com/pdf/California_Legislature_Community_Service_Assembly_Award.pdf
7) Here is my million dollar thought.....
Is there a link between Michael's accusations and Murdoch? In order to shed light away from the Catholic church's own scandals at the time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases) did Murdoch knowingly set up Michael in the media and public's eyes? Was it for knighthood? A promise to the church? He certainly had the means to set him up....the church, the state, the media empire at his call. Was he the crux of it all? Did Murdoch enable the media to run with wild accusations about Michael?
Anyways....that's a start.
I have tried to summarize things here.....sorry for the long, rambling post.
I'd appreciate any feedback, thoughts...TS, that includes you! We all have different thoughts and opinions...it's only together that we are strong enough to face the adversity of belief. Being a beLIEver means more than just believing in a death hoax. It means you are in it for the long haul....believing in Michael and his family.
I wish you all nothing but the best blessings always!
LOVE
PS>
OMGsoh.....I just googled...... Rupert Murdoch Elvis Presley
I don't have time right now....but there is a huge amount! I will read through it more and post later....just fyi.
Blessings!
*I had to update a couple of links that were no good anymore...but most of the links were fine.....
just fyi........
Thanks again Sim.......I prey Wagener will find all the links, all the info, all the everything he needs to
take down the scum that framed Michael. It's going to be tough, but the truth will prevail.
Blessings Always
A member of this forum, I believe that in 2010 published a good post about the scandals in the catholic church and the pedophilia, and how that could be related to everything that happened to him Michael.
I found it, is a long read but it is worth, I am not going to publish the images can be viewed at le link.
credits; WhiteNight
Was MJ framed to avert media attention from Catholic priest child abuse cases?
I’m sure that the title of this post is quite shocking. That is if this has not been discussed. I have never seen this subject addressed. And if it has been, it sure does not seem like it since everyone is so quick to specifically blame the Illuminati as the only source of Michael’s troubles. And that may be true in some instances but it does not hurt to explore other possibilities. I for one was, for the lack of a better word, gob-smacked when I had first started seeing connections here and there while doing research into the subject. I must warn you though. This will be quite lengthy.
I would like to again stress that this is not meant to offend people. This is simply a quest for truth. If you are offended, then you just might not be ready for the truth and this may be the wrong place for you.
I will also say this again >>>>
I will not entertain arguments over this so do not even try to convince me otherwise where it concerns this particular subject.
SO…If you are going to say something hateful and insulting, I will ignore you but send you L.O.V.E. I have nothing to prove.
Shall we begin?
Yeah sure I believed everything that Michael went through was a product of a malevolent conspiracy but for some reason, I felt that the whole conspiracy went much deeper than just the Illuminati. And Michael seems to have been aware of it as well.
I’ll start with this video. I know this is old stuff but please watch the whole thing and listen attentively to what Michael says. It is quite short. It’s really important that you do so in order to further understand what I am about to discuss here.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQwY4ll1Kfc[/youtube]
2:27 Notice how Michael referred to a conspiracy here in America but wished not to comment on it further. You can also hear the attorneys talking in the background in an attempt to either get the reporter away from the subject or to stop Michael from exposing the truth for fear of retaliation. I would imagine that this was quite a sensitive subject.
I have researched extensively on the Jesuits and the Roman Catholic System for about 6 years and I did most of this research as an atheist. I suppose that that was the best possible way that I could have done such research because I delved into it with out any bias towards it. I was not out to disprove anything. I just wanted to find facts and that’s all that mattered to me. So I present to you a short synopsis of my research on the Jesuits, their purpose, and its possible connections that I have found to the attacks on Michael Jackson the man, his charitable work for children and his career as an entertainer.
The strange thing about all this is that I did not notice the connections up until I began to really understand the significance of the Pepsi Ad called ‘Dreams’ and the symbolism behind Michael’s panther dance at the end of the Black Or White music video. I’m sure many of you remember the controversy surrounding that segment of the video. They tried to say that it was the sexual innuendos and the violent destructive behavior on Michael Jackson’s part that caused the uproar. But there were plenty of other videos that contained much more sexual content and violent behavior. What was so different about Michael’s representation of the same things? Michael is not simply bashing in car windows and building windows. He’s bashing in racist symbols and slurs that are painted on the windows. What so ‘racist’ about that? If anything, it encourages unity and a view that we are all equal and that there is no room for hate. It’s symbolic of tearing down al prejudices that are in the world.
I recommend that you read my first posting on the Pepsi Ad ‘Dreams’ before you read any further. It can be found here:
A Detailed Analysis of Michael Jackson Pepsi Ad -‘Dreams’
viewtopic.php?f=48&t=11251
Jesuits
I will present facts in a numbered form. I will not sight sources as that would take an eternity because there are not only countless online sources but there are also many physical book sources and I wanted this to be out there as soon as possible. If you do not believe this information, then I encourage you to do your own research as I did.
Facts about Jesuits (aka: The Society of Jesus)
1. The Jesuits is a society that was created by Ignatius De Loyola who became the first Jesuit General (black pope)
2. They are formerly known as ‘Los Alumbrados.’ (The illuminated ones = Illuminati)
3. They were created by Ignatius as foot solders for the pope
4. Their main purpose is to restore global control to the Pope as it was in the dark ages.
5. They have created wars and infiltrated governments in order to cause discord among nations.
Here are a couple of excerpts from the Jesuit Extreme Oath of Induction. This is an oath taken by high ranking Jesuits to be elevated in rank.
Superior: ….. My son, heretofore you have been taught to act the dissembler: among Roman Catholics to be a Roman Catholic, … Among the Reformers, to be a reformer; among the Huguenots, to be a Huguenot; among the Calvinists, to be a Calvinist; among other Protestants, generally to be a Protestant, and obtaining their confidence, to seek even to preach from their pulpits, and to denounce with all the vehemence in your nature our Holy Religion and the Pope; and even to descend so low as to become a Jew among Jews, that you might be enabled to gather together all information for the benefit of your Order as a faithful soldier of the Pope.
You have been taught to insidiously plant the seeds of jealousy and hatred between communities, provinces, states that were at peace, and incite them to deeds of blood, involving them in war with each other, and to create revolutions and civil wars in countries that were independent and prosperous, cultivating the arts and the sciences and enjoying the blessings of peace.
I’ll go ahead and add the link to this here because it is quite long. You may want to read the whole thing. There is some crazy stuff in it. >>
http://www.reformation.org/jesuit-oath.html
6. Their plan is to recreate a new government sponsored inquisition.
7. The final objective is to have a socialist New World Order under a universal religion that answers only to the pope based in the newly built Temple of Solomon. They want to take over Jerusalem but to do that, they must first get rid of the Orthodox Jews. They have been trying to do this for hundreds of years. That is why most of the world is against Israel. They just have to figure out the way to make more events that turn the whole world against Israel happen.
And also, do not forget about the fact that the pope called for a New World Order on the very day when we were all busy watching Michael’s Memorial. These people use anything to go undetected.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVe3p0vCsxQ[/youtube]
V for Vendetta
I would first like to remind everyone who reads this of Guy Fawkes Fifth of November Poem
Remember, Remember the Fifth of November
Remember, remember, the fifth of November
The gunpowder treason and plot,
I see no reason why gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot
Guy Fawkes, twas his intent
To blow up the king and parliament.
Three schore barrels were laid below
To prove old England's overthrow.
By God's mercy he was catched
With a dark latern and a lighted match.
Holler boys, holler boys, let the bells ring,
Holler boys, holler boys, God save the King.
A penny loaf to feed the Pope.
A farthing o' cheese to choke him.
A pint of beer to rinse it down.
A faggot of sticks to burn him.
Burn him in a tub of tar.
Burn him like a blazing star.
Burn his body from his head.
Then we'll say ol' Pope is dead.
Hip hip hoorah!
Hip hip hoorah!
This is pretty explanatory on its own. I do not think that I need to say anything more about this.
Does anyone remember the part in V for Vendetta concerning the high level priest who just happens to have a fetish for young girls? He was also involved in the founding of that death camp set up to eliminate vast portions of the population who rejected the fascist government who’s slogan was :
StrengthThrough Unity UnityThrough Faith
The Roman Catholic Church seemed to have quite a prominent position in this socialist government. Yet there seems to be such an effort to make people believe that this NOW will have secular roots.
You also need not forget the symbol of this government institution>>
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This cross is popularly used throughout catholic art and as talismans. The following photo is slightly different though. It has another intersection at the bottom.
But what seems to be more telling is that this cross resembles the cross on the Cardinal College Coat of Arms: The Pope is elected from this particular college or cardinals.
Isn’t it interesting how the main colors of this organization just happen to be black and red?
Here is a photo of a cardinal in traditional uniform robes:
Notice what Lewis Prothero says about the ‘former United Sates of America.’>>
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flBpsyFbEOs[/youtube]
Also notice how he uses God to justify the disgusting acts done at those death camps. Hitler would justify himself in quite the same manner to justify the Vatican sponsored Holocaust. An attempt on the part of the Vatican, through the use of a lower ranking priest, has been made to deny that the Holocaust even happened just to see what the reactions of the public would be. Now that is just sick. They will try to pull this off through the use of Jesuit trained Jews. These Jews are instructed to go into society and make everyone believe that all Jews are greedy, money hungry and conniving. This is why many people are anti-Semitic and they believe that Jews are the root of many problems in society. Michael was the victim of these Jesuit Jew converts. As a result, Michael expressed anger and was vocal about Jews at one point. With this, they tried to label Michael as an anti-Semite so that people would have more reasons to turn against him.
Now I leave this section of this article with these few words from the Good Book:
John 16:2-4, "They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me."
Child molestation Charges against Catholic Priests.
Out of curiosity, I began to research child molestation charges that had been brought against Roman Catholic Priests here in the U.S. I was most interested in finding out about significant dates associated with the majority of these claims of sexual abuse, and settlements made to appease victims. My jaw just about dropped to the ground when I came across this article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jay_Report
The 2004 John Jay Report commissioned by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) was based on surveys completed by the Roman Catholic dioceses in the United States. The surveys filtered provided information from diocesan files on each priest accused of sexual abuse and on each of the priest's victims to the research team, in a format which did not disclose the names of the accused priests or the dioceses where they worked. The dioceses were encouraged to issue reports of their own based on the surveys that they had completed.
The team reported that 10,667 people in the US had made allegations of child sexual abuse between 1950 and 2002 against 4,392 priests (about 4% of all 109,694 priests who served during the time period covered by the study). One-third of the accusations were made in the years 2002 and 2003, and another third between 1993 and 2001. "Thus, prior to 1993, only one-third of cases were known to church officials," says the report.[12]
DID you catch that?!>>>>
One-third of the accusations were made in the years 2002 and 2003, and another third between 1993 and 2001!
Here is the link with more information:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases
Here is another article with much more extensive information about Catholic Priest Child sex abuse cases in the United States. As you read through the article pay very close attention to the dates.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_s ... ted_States
The following is a link to a news article on a settlement that was made regarding Catholic Priest Sexual abuse cases. The publish date of this article happens to be very close to the date in which Michael’s verdict was announced in 2005.
http://cbs2.com/national/Roman.Catholic ... 54057.html
It seems like they tried to take care of the bulk of these cases before Michael Jackson’s 2005 inquisition like trial was over. There are actually more articles but I don’t want to drag this on more than I have to.
This shocked me to the core and I could not believe it. It all started to make more sense to me.
Jesus Juice
The whole ‘Jesus Juice’ thing came to my mind as well. This seems to be an attempt to say that followers of Jesus (which happen to be some Protestants) are sick demented psychos. Even before Michael got accused, he told Opra that he felt that it was important to be Christ like or ‘like Jesus.’ He maintained this stance even during the second trial while giving an interview on 60 Minuets as shown in the video above. He never fails to give God the credit for his gifts.
The same has happened with Islam. Now many associate Muslims with terrorism thanks to the Jesuit controlled Government sponsored attacks of 911. And Jesuit sponsored Protestantism was responsible in part for that widespread idea about Muslims here in the U.S but also for the stigma that associates Protestants with having prejudice views.
They even go so far as to make it seem that Protestants are delusional people who do crazy things to assert their faith. An example of this is Jim Jones. And another example is the rise of Polygamists.
Jim Jones was a Jesuit trained sicko who posed as a pastor of an ‘Assemblies of God’ Church. He was instructed to brainwash and then kill his entire congregation including himself. This caused new and harsher laws to be passed that would make it more difficult for protestants and other religions to gather in secluded non-patrolled areas.
Most Roman Catholics and Priests are innocent and well meaning. They are not even aware of these things.
There are also instances when Jesuit youth action groups infiltrate a ‘heretical’ church and try to frame or seduce a pastor to commit questionable acts.
There are many others but I’ll leave it at that.
Events such as these have put a negative light not only on those who profess Jesus Christ as their personal lord and savior but also those religions who are not affiliated with the Roman Catholic System.
The pattern is as follows:
1. Target someone who is a force to be reckoned with and who is also a believer in Christ
2. Pay needy people to infiltrate their life and become a part of it,
3. Instruct said people (and compensate further if necessary) to create situations and make target vulnerable
4. Further instruct people to strike and go public with false accusations
5. Discredit the target and ruin their reputation while controlling media coverage
6. Insure that the target be deemed guilty by the court of public opinion.
7. If that does not keep them down, kill them.
This is usually the fate of many prominent individuals who have spoken against the Roman Catholic Church System.
In 1993, it was not a guarantee that Michael would settle out of court. It could have gone either way. Michael could have chosen to fight it in the court. But due to pressures of his career and situation, he was forced to settle.
Evan Chandler Quoted on tape:
The only way that someone would even dare to falsely accuse (with a severe lack of evidence)an individual like Michael Jackson, who has lots of money, influence and the ability to hire extremely good attorneys, would be if the accusers had something to gain regardless of the outcome. They had to have been paid a great sum of money in order for them to ‘go through’ with the entire process.
Now, my question is : Who in the hell could have paid them off?
What could have been the motive? This individual or organization must have a lot of
money at their disposal. And they must also have some really strong intentions to do such a thing.
Why were there no other accusers aside from the Chandlers and Arvizos during both 1993 and 2005? It’s statistically known that a child abuser has the tendency to have many victims at a given time. This was and is the case with some Catholic priests and their fetishes for sexually abusing children.
Who would stand to gain from such accusations aside from the accusers?
Was a really big distraction needed to take attention away from something major?
You be the judge of that.
Personal note: Evan Chandler committed suicide? I’m not sure how I feel about that. Murder maybe? Perhaps he was overwhelmed with such guilt that he planned to tell the whole world the truth about what happened in 1993? NOT! He was suffering from a grave illness they say? I would not be so sure about that either. He seemed to be quite a selfish individual who cared for no one (not even his own son) but himself. So I doubt that this vermin would dare to take his own life. Or did the ‘System’ want to play it safe by getting rid of him before he would come clean? Was he killed? I really can’t say. You decide.
Now I would like to show you some interesting things that I have found.
There was a video that I found which had a really good interpretation of the panther dance. BUT it was long and had information at the beginning pertaining to September 11th, Michael being murdered by the illuminati and the like which is fine. People can believe what they want. I just wanted to cut straight to the chase. So I will post a video solely of the panther dance and provide an interpretation below the video. It will be a bit different and much longer from the original interpretation because I will use my own words and add what I have picked up.
This whole video is symbolic of Michael’s awakening. It marks a time in is life where he wants the world to know that he is awake and has been set free.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z-88QcM0sA[/youtube]
0:17 Demons are watching Michael and he is aware of it. Notice how the light shines on him as if he is being scrutinized by ‘the powers that be’ (Illumination upon him >> Illuminati) He shows no fear and proceeds with his task.
0:31 A demonic sound is heard as if to imply that the demons are becoming angry. He hesitates as he puts his arm down but still manages to maintain his cool.
0:35 As an evil presence descends upon the area, a cat is startled because it senses the malevolent spirits.
0:42 Michael prepares himself by un tucking his outer shirt. He knows that this will alleviate resistance in the storm that is to come. It can symbolize his disregard for any fear that he might have that may be a hindrance.
0:45 The storm comes and the demonic presence increases. The strong wind carries newspapers and all manner of physical media towards him.
0:58 The storm is over. And he seems to have passed that trial.
1:02 Michael strikes a pose. Look carefully at his feet. In the next frame, a large newspaper appears and seems to be attached to his feet. He may have known what was coming and he also may have know that it would ‘stick’ to him for a long time, if not his whole life.
1:04 He continues to dance with the news paper at his feet showing his disregard towards it.
1:33 He then roars with confidence to show his defiance.
1:34 He continues his sequence of cultic gestures that are understood by few and that only could be associated with ‘the powers that be.’ (I will not even go there as it will take a whole new post to do that)
1:40 Michael rounds off his cultic sequence with a good ‘ole ‘sign of the cross’ and proceeds to ..eh..fondle himself… Maybe it’s a way of teasing and saying ‘You had this but you will not have it anymore.’ It could also be seen as a symbolic way to “Exorcise the Demons.” It has been said that when an individual is being prayed over to be delivered from a spirit of lust, the individual starts to touch themselves perversely and engage in all manner of perverted self induced gratification.
He actually does incomplete signs of the cross throughout the panther dance but this is the only time he completes it.
1:56 Michael smashes a beer bottle. This could represent the ‘great whore’s ‘wine of fornication’ that has made the whole world symbolically ‘drunk’ with ‘her adulteries’ that is talked about in Revelations 17.
1:57 Michael removes his hat as a gentlemen would when getting down to business.
1:59 He begins his bashing of the car windows. The first is the phrase ‘Hitler Rules,’ the second is a swastika, the third is ‘NI66ERS 6O HOME’ and the fourth is ‘NO MORE WET BACKS.’
Swastika and ‘Hitler Rules’ phrase
The Nazi Party (along with communism) is one of the many offspring of the Roman Catholic System. Bother were designed to control. Hitler was a known Roman Catholic. It was the Roman Catholic vote that got him in office. The pope actually blessed Hitler and his army before they set out to conquer the world and carry out the Holocaust. Here is a link with photos to prove this:
http://v666.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/na ... -nazi-son/
NI66ERS 6O HOME
666 is imbedded in the phrase. 666 is the mark of the beast. Here is a link about its significance and connections:
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/666.htm
NO MORE WET BACKS
I really can’t say much about this. The ‘B’ seems to be missing or smudged out. I do not know the reason why. If I get info, I will edit this post.
Michael again fondles himself as way to symbolize the conclusion of his deliverance from the demon of lust. What I find interesting is how he yells and it sounds like he’s yelling ‘HOE!!’ (as in ‘whore’) This may not mean anything but who knows, maybe it does in this case. He also uses it in other works.
2:34 He rips out the steering wheel and throws it to a building window that reads ‘KKK Rules.’
KKK
The KKK was created by Albert Pike who was a 33rd Degree Mason. The Jesuits control Freemasonry. One of the purposes was to make it seem like all Protestants are racists and anti-semites. Sound familiar? Michael was accused of the same thing. It’s also quite convenient that the KKK discriminates against Roman Catholics. This is an effort to hide Jesuit affiliation with the group.
Here is a link with more information about how the Jesuits control freemasonry. (this is a long read but it is VERY interesting.:
http://troyspace2.wordpress.com/2008/02 ... a-history/
'K' just happens to be the 11th letter in the alphabet 11X3 = 33 the highest level in certain freemasonry organizations. Jesuit cassocks(robes) also have 33 buttons.
2:44 He zips his pants up. It appears that he is not only done with his business but he is also free from the demon of lust.
2:47 Time to take out the trash and be done with it.
2:50 Michael’s purification/cleansing process begins bringing about 3 cleansing rebirths. (To be born again) John 3:1-21
3:01 Purification of his Mind
3:05 Purification of his Soul
3:07 Purification of his Body
3:10 Purification is complete
3:11 This calls for a victory dance and a self-congratulations. Good Job Michael! =3
3:18 After a furious spin, Michael falls hard on his knees and hands as he cries out. It’s as if he’s surrendering himself to God.
Notice how he no longer yells ‘HOE.’ He just simply yells.
3:23 The King rips his shirt as a symbol of humbling himself before the Lord. >>
The deliberate tearing of clothing was known through all of Bible History, in both the Old and New Testaments. When done to one's self, it was usually a physical expression of grief or righteous indignation, in effect an outward equivalent of the modern-day vernacular expression "it tears me up." The custom was also done as a symbolic removal of authority i.e. the tearing of a king's royal robe.
There is much more about this biblical custom and it can be found in this link:
http://www.keyway.ca/htm2007/20070313.htm
3:30 Michael motions his arm towards the ‘Royal Arms Hotel’ Sign. It seems like he is throwing muddy water towards it and it explodes. This not only symbolizes Michael’s total and complete surrender of his royal title as King (to God) but it may also symbolize his disassociation with the ‘HOE.’ (‘Great Whore.’ From Revelation 17) Hotels are common places for men to meet with prostitutes.
3:36 As a result, Michael is showered with ambers and ashes. This is another symbol of repenting or humbling oneself before God. (Sackcloth and ashes) Jonah 3:3-8
Here’s more info:
http://www.keyway.ca/htm2002/20020421.htm
3:50 The sign falls to the ground and Michael looks at it with a certain amount of dismay.
3:57 The angry demon presence leaves from his side forever.
3:59 Michael notices this and looks around.
4:01 Michael morphs back into a black panther. He is now finally in control.
‘Scream’
The ‘Scream’ music video is quite interesting as well. This song talks about the ‘System’ and ‘confusion.’ Yes many think that it has to do with the government and that may be so but there were many things that I noticed that seem to be encoded messages and symbolism.
Here is a list of things that I noticed with notes along with the exact times that they show up in the video and here’s the ‘Scream’ music video:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6gTS8rWNyk[/youtube]
0:40 Michael does an Italian gesture that basically means ‘I don’t give a damn!’
The Vatican is in Rome and Rome is in Italy. And yes I know that the official language of the Vatican is Latin. That also happens to be the language of the anti-christ.
http://www.reformation.org/antichrist.html
0:56 Michael does what seems like the sign of the cross after he sings the following words:
Tired of injustice
Tired of the schemes
Kind of disgusted
But to play it off, he completes the sign by making it seem like he wants to playfully hit Janet in the arm.
1:21 Janet Sings
You’re selling out souls
But I care about mine
Rev 18:11 .. And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more... Rev 18:13… Cargos of….. slaves, and souls of men.
1:29 Michael does the same Italian gesture after Janet sings:
'And I wont give up the fight.’
1:39 Janet sings:
You try to cope with every lie they scrutinize
Upon thinking about this verse, I began to reason… Janet says ‘You.’ So she is addressing herself to the ‘system.’ She then says ‘they’ as the ‘party’ that scrutinizes ‘every lie’. Who is the one that scrutinizes? Well obviously the media is the master of scrutinizing everything. So the media can be eliminated from the possible list of ‘Systems’ that this song is directed towards. Michael does however refer to ‘The whole System.’ My guess is that he is referring to the system that controls all ‘Systems.’
The Bible clearly talks about such a system and it also indicates that this system is indeed religious.
Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
Where would one hear voices of a bridegroom and bride? Where do people traditionally get married? The answer would be a church.
And what does she mean when she says ‘cope?’
Could it be that she is making a reference to how Michael’s name is being smeared with false child sex abuse accusations to fend off true child sex abuse accusations against Catholic Priests that had been scrutinized by the media? It was such a huge scandal for the ‘Holy Mother Church’ at the time but after Michael was pinned with the very same accusations, it’s as if the public forgot about the thousands of sexual abuse cases filed against Catholic priests. Some may argue that she is talking about government cover-ups. And that’s possible. But the latter is definitely something to think about.
2:02 Janet, using a remote device, changes the figure in the gallery and a statue of Athena appears. Athena is associated with Diana, and other pagan goddesses as well as her ‘Christianized’ alter ego Mary >>>
Thus the Christian church functioned for at least 150 years without idolizing the name of Mary. The legends about her begin to appear after that, although for several centuries the church was far from making a cult of it. But after Constantine's decree making Christianity the preferred religion, the Graeco-Roman pagan religions with their male gods and female goddesses exerted an increasingly stronger influence upon the church. Thousands of the people who then entered the church brought with them the superstitions and devotions which they had long given to Isis, Athena, Diana, Artemis, Aphrodite, and other goddesses, which were then conveniently transferred to Mary. Statues were dedicated to her, as there had been statues dedicated to Isis, Diana, and others, and before them the people kneeled and prayed as they had been accustomed to do before the statues of the heathen goddesses.
Here is a link to the whole page from which this excerpt was taken:
http://74.6.239.67/search/cache?ei=UTF- ... mCKFRmaQ--
Also notice the prominence of the moon in the entire video. Diana is associated with the moon and is also associated with the Virgin Mary. Some may say ‘Well, they are in space after all.’ But there are an infinite amount of objects in space. Why focus only on the moon? But I must say that Michael is a genius and he did everything with intentions.
2:31 This is the first appearance of Michael in meditation and notice how he is perfectly situated and the set is perfectly designed to make it appear that there is a glowing halo around his head just like Catholic paintings and statues illustrate to depict divinity. This is also common for the Virgin Mary’s pagan identity Diana:
Another thing to take note of is that even from the very beginning, both Michael and
Janet appear in some kind of closed in compartment that also makes it seem like they have a glowing halo around their heads but there are rays radiating around the halos.
This actually reminds me of those reliefs in walls that occasionally have saints or the Virgin Mary within them.
2:42 Both Michael and Janet sing together: ‘Oh Father please have mercy!’ It’s obvious that they are referring to God Almighty. Many believe that they are referring to Joseph but he never allowed any of his children to call him ‘father.’
And then Michael can be seen with his arms outstretched while he looks up.
3:03 Michel assumes the pose that resembles a moon god or goddess. (ie: Diana being associated with the Virgin Mary) He also has his hands in an interesting gesture. That’s a very popular pose for the Virgin Mary.
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3:08 A man appears on a screen behind Michael and what he is wearing looks surprisingly like a cassock: The apparel that a Jesuit priest wears. The only difference is that the little white under collar that is supposed to go under the black collar is missing.
Interesting note: Did you know that the cassock has 33 buttons? They say that in symbolizes Jesus’ 33 years of life on earth. But isn’t 33 the number of a highest ranking mason in some Masonic organizations?
3:10 Janet sings the following:
"Oh my God, can't believe what I saw
As I turned on the TV this evening
I was disgusted by all the injustice
All the injustice"
And then Michael Also says ” All the injustice”
They are definitely talking about what they have just seen on the TV. The ‘news man’ is quoted saying the following:
"A man has been brutally beaten to death by
Police after being wrongly identified as a
Robbery suspect. The man was
An 18 year old black male..."
This establishes the idea that the man is a ‘news man.’ But what a choice for apparel this is. Why not just wear a standard suit and tie?
3:27 Both Michael and Janet make a gesture that is symbolic of prayer.
3:34 Again, the sign of the cross is made but this time by both Michael and Janet.
Anime featured in 'Scream'
There are also several instances in which scenes of anime (Japanese cartoons) appear on the large screen in the space ship. I decided to find out what the title(s) of the anime featured are.
I didn’t think anything of the anime at first and it was not my plan to address it at all.
It turned out that there are 2 different anime featured. One being Akira and the other being Babel II. I then decided to find out about both of these anime.
Akira is set in a futuristic and post World War III city Neo-Tokyo which is rampant with chaos.
Here’s more info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akira_(film)
Babel II makes so many references to the tower of Babel and Babylon. The ‘Great Whore’ just happens to be of ‘Babylon.’ I think it’s just too weird and cool at the same time how the main character of this anime just happens to have a black panther as a partner and side-kick. It reminds me of the panther dance.
Black Panthers
Panthers are also associated with the goddess Diana.
'Panther' is a general name for big cats, normally used for the ones that can have black fur - leopard and jaguar, and also the puma. With black fur they become the 'black panther', and gain a hunting advantage in forests and at night. 'Panther' itself comes from 'pan' meaning 'all' and 'therao' meaning 'to hunt'. Because the panther swims, climbs trees and hunts on foot, it is an All-hunter, like its goddess. (Diana)
Here is a link to more information:
http://homepage.mac.com/ian20/shaman/Personal174.html
I thought that was too much of a coincidence. His panther dance is quite symbolic in his insubordination and disassociation of and from his former master.
Here are excerpts from the bio of one of the main characters of Babel II by the name of Yomi:
Yomi
Yomi is a vicious monarch who conspires to rule over the world…He owns secret bases in many parts of the world, and is accompanied by miscellaneous subordinates, such as scientists, engineers, psychics, and cyborg agents. Because Yomi sends each country remodeled men as VIPs in the government, he can manipulate many nations at will…
I don’t know but… it seems like nearly everything points to one truth.
Allow me to show you why I feel this is significant.
Though it has been denied, the pope is actually the monarch of the Vatican. The goal of the Vatican is to rule over the world. The Vatican rules over all secret societies that have a global impact. These societies consist of scientists, engineers, psychics, and ‘agents’ that do its bidding. The Vatican’s foot soldiers, the Jesuits, are almost like robots who only take orders. They are not allowed to have a will of their own. (refer to the Jesuit Extreme Oath of Induction ) They infiltrate governments and make it possible for the pope to control them and manipulate them to do his bidding..
Here is a link with more info about Babel II:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babel_II
There are probably more things in this video but I think I may have overdone it with too much info so I will stop here.
In closing this post, I think that I have good reason to believe that Michael Jackson was accused both times to divert media scrutiny from the Catholic priest child molestation cases and he knew it.
I feel that this is the conspiracy that he was mainly referring to. And this explains why he did not want to comment on it.
Children are so important to Michael because they are our future. It is possible that Michael saw what was taking place and was trying to expose the injustice being done to not only the thousands of children here in the US but of the world by a large number of Priests. The diocese of the accused priests had tried to cover this truth up for nearly 50 years or even more.
This also explains the purpose of these accusations and why they were thrown on him during such ideal times.
He was doing the unthinkable. He was engaging in ‘heretical’ acts of ‘blasphemy!’ He had to be dealt with. ‘DEATH TO THE HERETIC!’
If given the choice, Michael would have probably preferred death over being associated with such atrocious and disgusting allegations. I not saying that I know he would. It’s just a mere speculation.
It was the perfect scapegoat. Michael loved children and did so much to help them. Since he adored playing with children, accusations like these would be quite believable to those who believe everything that the media tells them. Sadly, that accounts for most of the world.
Fell free to disagree but I think the evidence is there for all to see. It’s up to you to not only see it but accept it. But in the end, the choice is ultimately yours to make.
I have already made mine and no one in this world is going to change it.
And Ill say this again>>>>
Please understand:
This has NOTHING to do with being Catholic. Everyone has their right to freedom of faith. But there is one thing people must understand.
Man made doctrines and institutions manipulate us. They use our faith as a yolk on our necks to control us by use of guilt.
“Do you think he’s not up there? Do you think he’s not watching this country?” - Lewis Prothero - V for Vendetta
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=11252
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@paula.....that is awesome! I know I read White Night's posts before, but hadn't realized the depth of this one. Just wow.
Add a little knighthood for Murdoch, and all could have easily been put into place. The accusations were created, Murdoch sold the story, got his knighthood and millions of $, and it took the focus off the priest problems
(at least for a bit while they re-grouped)
Murdoch and the Vatican.....
I can't help but see the big "V" Michael is famous for flashing...Victory over the Vatican....or giving the public a clue as to who framed him....though he couldn't prove it.....yet. Just amazing stuff paula.....thanks for the help in finding this. WhiteNight is a sweetheart and so talented with everything.....that is some amazing research for sure! I imagine the truth will prevail, and we will learn exactly what was what. I just don't know at this point what direction to go. It's like a maze of thoughts and quandaries. I couldn't write a better movie....that much is for sure!
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I can't wait to come back and read through White Night's posts again as well as the other information. This truly gives me the best feeling knowing that even though we may not see everything happening, there is movement.
Blessings to all
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So this is what happened yesterday:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVak-gVDgvE&feature=plcp[/youtube]
Video description:
William Wagener, objective TV Host & Reporter who was the only TV personality to predict correctly 100% not Guilty for Michael Jackson in 2005, leads a dozen M.J. Fans to call for INDICTMENT by a Special Prosecutor of the "dirty 4" , Tom Sneddon, Ron Zonen, Gordon Auchincloss, and Mag Nicola. At the August 14th, 2012 meeting they looked the 5 leaders of the Santa Barbara County, square in the EYE and asked them to read the AFFIDAVIT of William Wagener and appoint on outside Special Prosecutor to investigate, Indicte, arrest , convict and sentence for former S.B. Prosecutors of Michael Joe Jackson , to prison. The Supervisors had never heard the FACTS , did not attend the trial, and were visible shocked to hear that Sneddon and Snakes "fabricated" false evidence and conspired to do so. In so doing, Sneddon committed 3 felonies at least, and William Wagener, an admitted non- Michael Jackson fan in 2005, wants justice to be applied equally to the alleged dirty 4 prosecutors who allegedly committed crimes against the Court,called FRAUD on THE COURT, by fabricating false evidence.
The Supervisors, did not respond as they are prohibited by law to do so unless it is on the agenda. They could ignore it, send the Affidavit of Will Wagener to County Counsel, or just appoint a special prosecutor once the item is put on a future agenda, in Sept. or October , or November. Bill Brown the elected Sheriff plus 5 other deputies were there to make sure all the rules were obeyed. William Wagener did NOT get to finish his statement, but his back up team did. The Supervisors now a constructive NOTICE of a CRIME by Sneddon, and have a duty to do something about it.
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I was wondering what happened yesterday and nobody really postes about it.
That sucks that Mr Wagener disnt get to speak longer. Id like to know more on this for sure.
I wonder if that is enough to get them to look into it more? I wish like CRAZY I could have been there!!! Please Lord let those people not be corrupt and do right not only for MJ but for our legal system also!!!! If people can pull off GARBAGE like this in one od the most PUBLIC CASES of all time right in front of everyone IMAGINE the level of corruption in smaller towns and cities also!!!
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I hope that the garbage of Sneddon pay for all the damage that he caused him to MJ and suffer in the flesh all the attack of the media and suffer all the humiliations and grievances that the caused
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So this is what happened yesterday:
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Video description:
William Wagener, objective TV Host & Reporter who was the only TV personality to predict correctly 100% not Guilty for Michael Jackson in 2005, leads a dozen M.J. Fans to call for INDICTMENT by a Special Prosecutor of the "dirty 4" , Tom Sneddon, Ron Zonen, Gordon Auchincloss, and Mag Nicola. At the August 14th, 2012 meeting they looked the 5 leaders of the Santa Barbara County, square in the EYE and asked them to read the AFFIDAVIT of William Wagener and appoint on outside Special Prosecutor to investigate, Indicte, arrest , convict and sentence for former S.B. Prosecutors of Michael Joe Jackson , to prison. The Supervisors had never heard the FACTS , did not attend the trial, and were visible shocked to hear that Sneddon and Snakes "fabricated" false evidence and conspired to do so. In so doing, Sneddon committed 3 felonies at least, and William Wagener, an admitted non- Michael Jackson fan in 2005, wants justice to be applied equally to the alleged dirty 4 prosecutors who allegedly committed crimes against the Court,called FRAUD on THE COURT, by fabricating false evidence.
The Supervisors, did not respond as they are prohibited by law to do so unless it is on the agenda. They could ignore it, send the Affidavit of Will Wagener to County Counsel, or just appoint a special prosecutor once the item is put on a future agenda, in Sept. or October , or November. Bill Brown the elected Sheriff plus 5 other deputies were there to make sure all the rules were obeyed. William Wagener did NOT get to finish his statement, but his back up team did. The Supervisors now a constructive NOTICE of a CRIME by Sneddon, and have a duty to do something about it.
Thank you very much MaryK to post this video.
Have a good day!!!
Thémis :)
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Why does William Wagner remind me of Daniel......prophetic in the 2005 trials of a pure non-guilty verdict, utterly faithful, willing to speak up, and is up against the great beast of corruption.
I have to ask.....could Wagener be part of the hoax as far as symbolism is concerned? Is his role in all of this, to bring a symbolic measure to the years of Michael's devastation by accusation? I have always believed that the mere accusation of hurting a child was the most devastating thing to happen to Michael. The prosecutors knew that they were never going to see him convicted...they didn't have to have a conviction to destroy him. The accusations alone would be hurtful enough to his reputation and his mind.
Is Wagener in the picture to bring the Biblical symbolism to life? How is it anyway he was able to be the only one to sit in on the trial everyday? Wasn't there a lottery for seats? Sorry to be inquisitive here....just curious and it the timing of TS's Daniel re-direct is interesting to me.......
Blessings Always
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Here's a link to a thread about Sneddon and Wagener's intentions towards outing him for the slime he is.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=14140.0
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Nice to see at least part of the proceedings. Bravo to the ones who took the time and made the commitment to speak but I'm left wondering...
While I get the added benefit of having multiple speakers to make an impact (especially the couple that shared personal knowledge of Michael, the man)...I think it might have been even more strong had they each deferred their 2 minutes to WW to continue speaking if that was an option. He was more professional and more focused on the actual criminal conduct and not off on tangents about daughters being bullied 4 years ago and issues with no bearing. I'm not being mean and I applaud the effort but I just wish the relevant information had been driven to the Board harder. This was videotaped but the review of the documents he offered by those members won't be and they may not take it as seriously as they would have had to if their was hard proof in existence (audio/video) of the evidence and information that they were being provided. When one is dealing with a limited amount of time to make a point...ya damn well better make it good...ya know?
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You make an excellent point about giving Mr Wegener more time to speak. I haven't seen the video - in fact, I've been searching all night to find out what happened. Disappointing that he didn't get more time but I'll be praying that it's enough.
I'm glad there was some support there with Mr Wegener.
@wishy - I know what you mean about Mr Wegener reminding you of Daniel. He does me too. However, I can't get past the fact that he's been saying for a while now that he thinks MJ is d**d. I know it could be an act but I think if he does know then it might not sit well with the public when MJ returns as they could say he was working on MJ's orders or paid off instead of just trying to see justice served.
Blessings to you
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You make an excellent point about giving Mr Wegener more time to speak. I haven't seen the video - in fact, I've been searching all night to find out what happened. Disappointing that he didn't get more time but I'll be praying that it's enough.
I'm glad there was some support there with Mr Wegener.
@wishy - I know what you mean about Mr Wegener reminding you of Daniel. He does me too. However, I can't get past the fact that he's been saying for a while now that he thinks MJ is d**d. I know it could be an act but I think if he does know then it might not sit well with the public when MJ returns as they could say he was working on MJ's orders or paid off instead of just trying to see justice served.
Blessings to you
Yesh, I guess you're right about him. It would make sense that he's more seeking pure justice. I wonder how many people outside of the die-hard fans really even know who he is. I would venture a guess that the general public has no clue who he is.....I didn't until the hoax. Or maybe he's really popular in California...don't have a clue.
Anyways......hope all is well. Have a beautiful evening/day!
Blessings!
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