Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators

Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => The Michael Jackson Estate => Topic started by: mindseye on July 17, 2012, 10:15:21 PM

Title: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: mindseye on July 17, 2012, 10:15:21 PM
Found this Letter From MJ Family to John Branca & John McClain to STEP DOWN!! (http://www.scribd.com/doc/100366207/Letter-From-MJ-Family-to-John-Branca-John-McClain-to-STEP-DOWN)

from tweets and MRS JACKSON, MICHAEL JACKSONS MOTHER SUFFERS A STROKE DUE TO INTENSE PRESSURE FROM AEGLIVE | (http://teammichaeljackson.com/archives/5494)
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Post by: voiceforthesilent on July 17, 2012, 10:22:14 PM
Thank you for sharing this. Some are saying that the message about KJ are false. I believe he's referring to the Estate letter asking for their resignation.

So, why now? What was pointed out that is interesting is that it lacks the signatures of Jackie, Marlon, and LaToya.

Blessings
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Post by: Andrea on July 17, 2012, 10:25:56 PM
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Found this Letter From MJ Family to John Branca & John McClain to STEP DOWN!! (http://www.scribd.com/doc/100366207/Letter-From-MJ-Family-to-John-Branca-John-McClain-to-STEP-DOWN)

from tweets and MRS JACKSON, MICHAEL JACKSONS MOTHER SUFFERS A STROKE DUE TO INTENSE PRESSURE FROM AEGLIVE | (http://teammichaeljackson.com/archives/5494)

Uh, wow.  Strong allegations against Branca and McClain, to say the least.

The letter claims Branca said (after Michael passed) "I AM MICHAEL JACKSON NOW." 
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Post by: CC on July 17, 2012, 10:30:59 PM
the letter say michael JOE jackson!!!
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Post by: Loveunited on July 17, 2012, 10:44:24 PM
BIG BAM unfolding..............This is the beginning of the reveal imo. What does the estate's reply mean when it says

"We are saddened that false and defamatory accusations grounded in stale Internet conspiracy theories are now being made by certain members of Michael’s family, whom he chose to leave out of his will
Title: Re: Re: @RandyJackson8
Post by: Andrea on July 17, 2012, 10:52:33 PM
I'm inclined to think this is part of Randy's role in the hoax.  It makes me wonder if certain things or people mentioned in the letter are actually representative of something else.
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Post by: Shamone Jackson on July 17, 2012, 10:54:27 PM
This after TMZ posted that the estate cleared most of MJ's so called debt?
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Post by: Adi on July 17, 2012, 11:00:35 PM
WOW!  :affraid:

I think this has got to be part of the plan. I think the letter is authentic, in that it is part of the plan.....It seems like it's designed to make the inconsistencies surrounding MJ's "death" more obvious  to the people who believe Michael really did die...

wow....will be really interesting to see where this goes.
Title: Re: Re: @RandyJackson8
Post by: Loveunited on July 17, 2012, 11:02:22 PM
Adi, I agree, part of the plan and I think Branca and McClain have served their purpose.
Title: Re: Re: @RandyJackson8
Post by: Loveunited on July 17, 2012, 11:07:56 PM

Via Twitter--  So letter came out to Celebuzz on 7/7?
letter not dated yet Randy says authentic


MJJJusticeProject‏@MJJJusticePrjct

Celebuzz gets letter on 7/7 ? Aren't Jerm and Tito on tour since 6/20? Janet's in Italy .. Letter is not dated.. hmhm

MJJJusticeProject‏@MJJJusticePrjct

Title: Re: Re: @RandyJackson8
Post by: mindseye on July 17, 2012, 11:12:06 PM
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WOW!  :affraid:

I think this has got to be part of the plan. I think the letter is authentic, in that it is part of the plan.....It seems like it's designed to make the inconsistencies surrounding MJ's "death" more obvious  to the people who believe Michael really did die...

wow....will be really interesting to see where this goes.

I have a weird feeling I've seen a letter like this before in the past, but says Katherine's current age.  :icon_e_confused:
Must be part of the plan or possibly backup plan? keeping in mind that Katherine is 82 - there are health concerns. Also this may lead up to what they've been saying all along - someone else is behind MJ's death... not just CM.
A storm is brewing :ghsdf:
Title: Re: Re: @RandyJackson8
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on July 17, 2012, 11:12:52 PM
How come LaToya, Marlon & Jackie didn't sign it?
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Post by: Loveunited on July 17, 2012, 11:14:58 PM
mods/admin; should this be moved to a new thread?
Title: Re: Re: @RandyJackson8
Post by: Shamone Jackson on July 17, 2012, 11:17:40 PM
I also read a while ago that Ms. Katherine had a mini stroke.  And you notice when the letter came out, not long after Randy tweets about it.  I just read on twitter from PearlJr. that no authentic letter has the signatures on a separate page (which is accurate).
Title: Re: Re: @RandyJackson8
Post by: Loveunited on July 17, 2012, 11:21:50 PM
yes but Randy says the letter is authentic. And it has elicited a response. Unless both are made up. if that is the case, LOTS of people are seeing what is alleged in the letter, which IMO is the beginning of BAM.
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Post by: Shamone Jackson on July 17, 2012, 11:27:23 PM
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yes but Randy says the letter is authentic. And it has elicited a response. Unless both are made up. if that is the case, LOTS of people are seeing what is alleged in the letter, which IMO is the beginning of BAM.

I sure hope so.   As long as Michael's ready...I'm ready.  :)
Title: Re: Re: @RandyJackson8
Post by: Loveunited on July 17, 2012, 11:32:10 PM
yep, who's bad?
Title: Re: Re: @RandyJackson8
Post by: Adi on July 17, 2012, 11:38:35 PM
Some interesting wording in the letter:

"...and further revealed in the coming weeks"

"stuck in the middle"

"POWERS THAT BE"

"what is so obvious"

"fake flawed and fraudulent"

"amongst many other inconsistencies"

"we know there is most certainly a conspiracy surrounding our brother's death"  (ORLY???)

"I AM MICHAEL JACKSON......"

"THIS HAS TO STOP NOW; NO MORE!!"


EDIT: ohhh yes.....I love how his name is Michael Joe Jackson  :icon_cool:

Title: Re: Re: @RandyJackson8
Post by: Shamone Jackson on July 17, 2012, 11:42:12 PM
Oh but wait.  I forgot.  This is an election year and I seriously doubt he will bam this year.  Especially since it's getting close ... less than 5 months away.
Title: Re: Re: @RandyJackson8
Post by: Shamone Jackson on July 18, 2012, 12:02:28 AM
Yeah, I picked up on that "stuck in the middle" phrase.  heh heh!!
Title: Re: Re: @RandyJackson8
Post by: Loveunited on July 18, 2012, 12:05:25 AM
and  the pain is THUNDER
Title: Re: Re: @RandyJackson8
Post by: Im_convincedmjalive on July 18, 2012, 12:15:48 AM
Michael Jackson News - Michael Jackson's Family Demands Estate's Executors Resignation, Effective Immediately: 'Fake, Flawed and Fraudulent' (EXCLUSIVE) - Celebuzz (http://www.celebuzz.com/2012-07-17/michael-jacksons-family-demands-estates-executors-resignation-effective-immediately-fake-flawed-and-fraudulent-exclusive/)


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FROM THE ESTATE:
 
Recently, a letter was posted online from some of Michael Jackson's siblings, whom Michael chose not to name in his will, questioning the document’s validity and the naming of John Branca and John McClain as his Executors. Here is a statement from attorneys for the Estate in response to the online posting:
 
Any doubts about the validity of Michael’s will and his selection of Executors were thoroughly and completely debunked two years ago when a challenge was rejected by the Los Angeles County Superior Court, the California Court of Appeals and, finally, the California Supreme Court.
 
Under the supervision of Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff, Co-Executors John Branca and John McClain have diligently carried out their fiduciary duties as well as their obligation to Michael to make sure that his Estate benefits the only family members he named in his will – his mother and his three children.
 
We are saddened that false and defamatory accusations grounded in stale Internet conspiracy theories are now being made by certain members of Michael’s family, whom he chose to leave out of his will. We are especially disheartened that they come at a time when remarkable progress has been made to secure the financial future of his children by turning around the Estate’s finances as well as during a time when so many of Michael’s fans, old and new, are enjoying his artistry through exciting new projects.

Source: MJJJusticeProject (MJJJusticePrjct) on Twitter (https://twitter.com/MJJJusticePrjct)
Title: Re: Re: @RandyJackson8
Post by: 2good2btrue on July 18, 2012, 04:43:24 AM
Michael Jackson‘s family has demanded the executors of their late brother’s estate resign effective immediately, Celebuzz has exclusively learned.

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In a scathing letter — obtained exclusively by Celebuzz and signed by Michael’s sisters Janet, Rebbie and brothers Tito, Randy and Jermaine Jackson — the family maintains that executors John Branca and John McClain faked the King of Pop’s last Will and Testament prior to his untimely death on June 25, 2009.

“At the time we couldn’t possibly fathom what is so obvious to us now: that the Will, without question, it’s Fake, Flawed and Fraudulent,” states the legal letter.

Read on for more details.


Received by Branca and McClain Tuesday, the Jackson family accuses the executors of falsifying a legal document in order to gain control of Michael’s estate against his wishes and using the court to seal any documents that might prove otherwise.

“Since the passing of Michael, our beloved brother, you have failed to perform your duties as executors of his estate, but what you have not failed at is taking advantage of a grieving mother, father and a grieving family,” says the Jackson’s letter. ”Our brother told us, in no uncertain terms and without hesitation in the months prior to his death, that he despised both of you and that he did not want either of you to have anything to do with his life or estate for that matter.”

The letter from the family also goes on to point out numerous inconsistencies, as well as alleged missing pages of Michael Jackson’s will.

“John Branca, when we called you regarding the Will you didn’t want to interrupt your vacation,” the family contends.”You said you wouldn’t return for four days, at which time you presented to our family an incomplete Will.”

“The Will that you presented did not have our brother’s signature on it, nor did it have a signature page attached to it. When asked about the missing signature page, John Branca replied, ‘it was on its way, and you were having just a little problem finding it.’”

“Amongst many other inconsistencies in the Will, there is also a conflict around Michael’s location on the day he supposedly signed the Will, July 7, 2002. We have evidence that undoubtedly supports and proves that Michael was absolutely not in Los Angeles, California, on the date of his signature reflected in the Will at-hand.”
The Jacksons also threaten to escalate their claims to police for investigation of “potential criminal misconduct,” as well as having law firm Baker Hosteller launch legal action against the pair.

“We are going to take every appropriate action to seek justice and to see to it that the truth be known,” the letter states.

“You’ve dishonored everything that our brother Michael stood for. Your greed and hasty business decisions have shown that you have no regard for the preservation of his legacy, nor the quality of work that he exemplified.”

The Jacksons accuse the executors of robbing Michael’s children, Prince Michael Jr, 15, Paris, 14 and Prince Michael II “Blanket,“ 10, and his mother, Katherine Jenkins, of rightful inheritances by increasing the percentage of the gross income the executors receive from the estate, as well as mismanaging projects the estate undertakes.
“Tragically your deceitful actions abrogate our brother’s hopes and dreams for the lives of his children, family and legacy,” the letter states.

Additionally, the family accuses executors Branca and McCalin of manipulating the court system during Michael’s mother’s wrongful death lawsuit against AEG, the entertainment company behind the star’s final tour.

The Jacksons say the company is using “heinous and heartless threats” against Jackson’s 82-year-old mother — who they reveal recently had a “mini-stroke” — to call off the suit.

“AEG has been very vocal about how they are going to destroy her and her family publicly and blame her for Michael’s death,” the family says.

“However, you did not hesitate writing a letter to Judge Palazuelos presiding over the AEG wrongful death case, wherein, you asked the judge to keep ALL documents handed over by AEG for discovery under court seal, clearly protecting AEG, but not protecting our mother nor our niece and nephews Paris, Prince and Blanket,” the letter contends.

“Who are you working for? What is it that you don’t want to be known?”

“We know there is most certainly a conspiracy surrounding our brother’s death and now coarse manipulation and fear are being used to cover it up.”

The family state in no uncertain terms they will stand united to ensure the executors step down:

“THIS HAS TO STOP NOW; NO MORE!! You will not succeed. John Branca, after our brother passed, you said to our mother, ‘I AM MICHAEL JACKSON NOW.’ How dare you. Make no mistake, Mr. Branca, before we hit the stage, were a family and still to this day we are a family.”

Noticeably missing from the group of signatures, however, are Michael’s other siblings Jackie, Marlon and his outspoken sister LaToya Jackson.

I've just underlined some typo errors.../Very strange to have typo errors with important names, if it is authentic....Just thought I would mention that......Cheers
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Post by: MaryK on July 18, 2012, 05:59:15 AM
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mods/admin; should this be moved to a new thread?

I did.

Here you go  :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: sandythyme on July 18, 2012, 06:30:58 AM
This is very strange.  Hoping it's part of the plan.  Lack of signatures, no date which is very important in the legal world, typo's and after the fact that we read Michael's supposed debt's have almost been paid. Sounds like Branca is doing a good job?  This is scarey and sounds like one big mess, part of the plan?  Hope so...
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: MaryK on July 18, 2012, 06:49:30 AM
 :D

Gotta love this.

Seriously....anyone still not picking up on "Michael JOE" vs "Michael Joseph" must be blind  :icon_lol:

And the family did not take any action against the forged will in three years and feel the sudden need to do it now?

Yeah...sure....

"THIS HAS TO STOP NOW; NO MORE!! "I AM MICHAEL JACKSON NOW......"

Yes....you tell 'em Michael  :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: Adi on July 18, 2012, 06:51:57 AM
Yep Mary.....double meaning and double speak, read between the lines........especially in light of the article from last week.....what's real and what isn't:

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/mjestaede.jpg)

Michael Jackson's estate has made a fortune since the singer's death -- so much in fact ... it's nearly paid off $500 million in debt the King of Pop left behind when he died.

Executors for the Estate filed legal docs -- obtained by TMZ -- which show the Estate has generated gross earnings exceeding $475 million as of the end of May.

According to the docs, all of MJ's debts have been paid, with the exception of a BIG debt involving Michael's publishing catalog ... and executors expect that will be fully paid off by the end of the year.

It's not only good news for the Estate ... it's great news for the small army of lawyers who have been handling all the legal and business affairs.  Their fees -- from May, 2010 through November, 2011 -- exceeded $13.6 MILLION!

Two other things ... Katherine is asking for an additional $34,700 a month to pay for lawyers and accountants, and another $205,041 to cover lawyer and accountant fees from 2011.

Final thing --There are still some unresolved creditors' claims and several lawsuits to clear up.

All in all ... not a bad turnaround.

Michael Jackson Estate Clears MJ's MASSIVE Debt ... Almost | TMZ.com (http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/13/michael-jackson-estate-debt-almost-cleared-catalog/)

You go! go! go! MJ!!!   :icon_e_biggrin:
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: bugsy on July 18, 2012, 07:19:17 AM
Am i missing some important post somewhere?

Prince Michael's??? I thought their legal names had no "prince" in it? or has it? I need to go back and double check my memory seems to be blurring if prince is in the birth certificates
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: bec on July 18, 2012, 08:43:09 AM
Lol.

Well of course it's nearly time for them to resign. MJ is coming back.

Heehee.
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: hesouttamylife on July 18, 2012, 09:01:33 AM
Four years... that is significant even here.
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: MaryK on July 18, 2012, 09:05:52 AM
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Lol.

Well of course it's nearly time for them to resign. MJ is coming back.

Heehee.

(http://www.soloops.com/forums/images/smilies/sHa_yes2.gif)

(http://i.neoseeker.com/mgv/53534-bobbonew/534/46/picard_make_it_so_number_1_display.jpg)

 :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: MaryK on July 18, 2012, 09:36:55 AM
Seriously though I really hope that Mrs Jackson is doing better!  :icon_e_confused:
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: voiceforthesilent on July 18, 2012, 09:44:40 AM
I must be getting hoaxed out because I was concerned and confused by this letter but after seeing the comments here I feel better. I did think it odd that Branca would have the audacity to say he was Michael Jackson now. That doesn't seem to fit his character over the past 3 years. And the fact that they've been out in the open with fans when they haven't had to be should say something.

I believe Branca's comment (reading between the lines) really is saying that Michael is the one that's been in control of the Estate (which we know he has to be).

Well done Michael.

Blessings
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 18, 2012, 09:54:28 AM
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:D

Gotta love this.

Seriously....anyone still not picking up on "Michael JOE" vs "Michael Joseph" must be blind  :icon_lol:

And the family did not take any action against the forged will in three years and feel the sudden need to do it now?

Yeah...sure....

"THIS HAS TO STOP NOW; NO MORE!! "I AM MICHAEL JACKSON NOW......"

Yes....you tell 'em Michael  :icon_mrgreen:

 :LolLolLolLol: :thjajaja121: Hello Michael!! We are waiting for you  :woohoo2: :michael-jackson:
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: loyalfan on July 18, 2012, 10:05:59 AM
Michael has given 3 years of his undivded attention to weadle out the people who betrayed and hurt him....so yes i too think he is clearing a path..............you go Michael...show no mercy to them,as they showed none to you xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: hesouttamylife on July 18, 2012, 10:08:14 AM
@Mary K - got your message but can't right now.  That function doesn't work on this computer.  If you could, would you or I can do it when I get home today.  Let me know.

thanks
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: MaryK on July 18, 2012, 11:35:03 AM
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@Mary K - got your message but can't right now.  That function doesn't work on this computer.  If you could, would you or I can do it when I get home today.  Let me know.

thanks

Apparently there is no such function (move a single post)
Please repost it to the other thread.

Thanks
 :bearhug: :bearhug:
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: hesouttamylife on July 18, 2012, 12:14:57 PM
Can only do quick reply on this computer.  No cut, paste, smileys, move, etc. .  Will move it when I get home.
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: MaryK on July 18, 2012, 02:51:25 PM
Paris Jacksoη ‏@ParisJackson

i am going to clarify right now that what has been said about my grandmother is a rumor and nothing has happened , she is completely fine .
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: reveron1958 on July 18, 2012, 03:01:12 PM
Strange. That contradicts Randy saying the letter is real

Now look

Paris Jacksoη ‏@ParisJackson
@randyjackson8 hello dear FAMILY member i don't appreciate you telling everyone things that aren't true thank you very much

Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on July 18, 2012, 03:07:40 PM
It seems that piece by piece truth is getting exposed 'cause justice will prevail :bowdown: I think that now in this stage of the hoax investigations of different cases are running simultaneously. This case is probably one of those.

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“However, you did not hesitate writing a letter to Judge Palazuelos presiding over the AEG wrongful death case, wherein, you asked the judge to keep ALL documents handed over by AEG for discovery under court seal, clearly protecting AEG, but not protecting our mother nor our niece and nephews Paris, Prince and Blanket,” the letter contends.

I've always wondered why Branca got fired and then was hired again prior to Michael's "death" :suspect:  

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A Superlawyer Returns, a Pop Icon Dies -- a Will Is Discovered
 

At around 7 o'clock one evening during the third week of June 2009, John Branca arrived in Michael Jackson's dressing room at L.A.'s Fabulous Forum, where rehearsals were under way for the performer's "This Is It" concert.
 
It was their first meeting in three years. They immediately hugged, before Branca handed Jackson a letter to be signed, formally rehiring the superlawyer.
 
It was an abrupt reunion after a bitter split -- and just days before the show business legend died.
 
It was also the culmination of a 30-year-odyssey of unmatched highs and darkest lows, during which Jackson had cultivated deep distrust for the lawyer. At least twice, he fired him.
 
For his part, Branca had grown weary of Jackson’s chaotic life of profligacy, questionable advisers, crushing debt and scandal. Finally, he quit.
 
 “They hadn’t really spoken since 2006,” says CEO Randy Phillips of AEG Live, the promoter of Jackson’s “This Is It” concert series. 
 
So how did Branca’s and Jackson’s epic relation come full circle, as if according to a Hollywood script?
 
In fact, Branca had begun to seek a return to the fold no sooner than Jackson wrapped up the press conference unveiling “This Is It” in early March 2009. The lawyer phoned Phillips. ‘“I’d do anything in the world to be involved,”’ Phillips remembers Branca saying. The AEG executive was noncommittal then.
 


Later, however, Phillips and Frank DiLeo, Jackson’s manager from the 1980s glory days, phoned Branca. DiLeo himself had only recently been invited back onto the brain trust, exactly two decades after Jackson fired him in 1989, a year before Branca was booted for the first time.
 
By the time DiLeo returned, Jackson’s inner circle had shriveled practically to nothing -- no lawyers or accountants, for example -- with the July kickoff of “This Is It” just weeks away, DiLeo contended in an exclusive interview.
 
Only  Jackson’s then-manager, the “mysterious Dr. Tohme Tohme,” as the press sometimes described him, remained, DiLeo says. And soon Tohme Tohme’s status turned murky.
 
“Look, come back, it’s a little messed up,”’ said Jackson, as DiLeo remembers it.   
 
Phillips, too, was anxious to have Branca return to the fold. According to a well-placed music industry leader briefed on the matter, the lawyer's re-emergence appeared to lessen a potentially massive legal and financial predicament for AEG Live and Phillips.
 
Phillips was concerned that the company could be on the hook for tens of millions of dollars --productions costs, guarantees, ticket sales and more -- if the fragile Jackson were unable to perform his 50-date London run, according to the music industry leader.

read more on: A Superlawyer Returns, a Pop Icon Dies -- a Will Is Discovered | The Wrap Media (http://www.thewrap.com/media/article/michael-jackson-5-return-branca-22424?page=0),0

I hope that Katherine Jackson has fully recovered from the mini stroke and that she's doing well  :bearhug:

LOVE
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: Andrea on July 18, 2012, 03:17:00 PM
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Strange. That contradicts Randy saying the letter is real

Now look

Paris Jacksoη ‏@ParisJackson
@randyjackson8 hello dear FAMILY member i don't appreciate you telling everyone things that aren't true thank you very much


A chip off the old block!  Michael LIVES for controversy.  :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: katooooooo on July 18, 2012, 03:18:56 PM
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Strange. That contradicts Randy saying the letter is real

Now look

Paris Jacksoη ‏@ParisJackson
@randyjackson8 hello dear FAMILY member i don't appreciate you telling everyone things that aren't true thank you very much


LOLLL is this family is going to be all agree once in this life?
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: hesouttamylife on July 18, 2012, 04:42:28 PM
QuoteModify
Executor or trustee disputes
                                       (This is a post from this morning that was placed in the wrong thread Posted FYI Only)

Reasons to contest:

The PR may not have acted in the best interests of the estate, failed to provide information or acted negligently. Other situations where people may find themselves at odds with a PR include:

Disputes about the appropriateness of a particular investment or other administrative act.

"Cases where a PR has a personal interest such as being a beneficiary under the will or intestacy or being a director or shareholder of a company in which the state is interested."

Misuse of power by PR under a power of attorney, where a PR is partisan eg a friend or adviser to one of the principal beneficiaries.

If a PR is dishonest.

Where a PR is unreasonable.

How long do you have to contest a will?

There is a primary time limit for bringing inheritance claims of six months from the date of the grant of representation, but it is suggested that you do so within 6 months of the date of death.

However, the law relating to the limitation on claims is complex and the simple message is that if you think you may want to claim, take legal advice as soon as possible. There may also need to be other urgent steps to be taken to protect your position.
"The time frame for contesting a Will is generally determined not by the date of death of the Testator (the person that made the Will) but rather from the date that you are served with Notice of Intent to submit the Will to Probate.  You are really filing objections to the Proabting of the Will as written.  The objection must be in writing and is usually accompnaied by a filing fee.  Each state's statute varies.

Most people assume that a statute of limitations on contesting a will would begin counting down from the day of the person’s death. This isn’t so, and in fact, a full FOUR YEARS are allowed to pass between the death and the probate of the will. Thus theoretically, six years could pass between the death itself and the filing of a contest to the will.


THIS IS JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: MaryK on July 18, 2012, 04:54:42 PM
What I have noticed, looking around on FB and Twitter, is that this latest development is infuriating parts of the fan community and those people who accuse the siblings of dishonest motives are back at the forefront again.

Slander of the Jackson family (well at least part of it) became an issue again.
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: reveron1958 on July 18, 2012, 04:58:42 PM
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Branca and McClain released a prompt statement refuting the allegations.  They deny that the will or their actions have been fraudulent and point out that three separate courts have rejected a challenge to the will.  The executors say the courts laid to rest any doubts as to the will’s validity.  They lament that the accusations have been brought in the midst of their remarkable progress in securing the financial future of Michael’s children.  Branca and McClain say they have diligently carried out their fiduciary duties.  They decry the Jackson siblings “false and defamatory accusations grounded in stale Internet conspiracy theories”.

So, yes, it looks like the fighting over Michael’s Estate may soon return to court.  If so, it will likely be a short-lived battle.  The reason that Joe Jackson lost his legal challenges is because he is not a beneficiary and lacks legal “standing.”  Because he would not benefit from the estate, he could not challenge the executors.  Michael’s siblings will have the same problem if they try to bring suit.

However, this raises an interesting point regarding the executor’s statement.  Because Joe did not have standing to bring his challenge to court, and because Katherine withdrew her claim before it was ruled on, no judge has ever decided the issue of whether Michael’s will was valid or not.  In other words, Branca and McClain’s statement in response to the Jackson siblings’ letter was somewhat misleading.
At this point, unless Katherine reverses course and brings a formal will challenge (which is likely too late at this point), no court of law will resolve the question of whether the will was validly signed anytime soon.  The Jackson siblings say that their mother, who is 82 and recently had a mini-stroke, is afraid to challenge the will in court.  If that is the case, that type of claim could only proceed if brought by Michael’s children.  Once they each turn 18, any of his children will have the legal right to challenge the will and the actions taken by the executors.  Michael’s son Prince is 15 years old.


Full article here: Michael Jackson's Siblings Promise New Fight Over His Estate - Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/trialandheirs/2012/07/18/michael-jacksons-siblings-promise-new-fight-over-his-estate/)
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: reveron1958 on July 18, 2012, 05:06:21 PM
Regarding the mini stroke, I believe it is perfectly possible for Katherine to have had one, but not told the grandchildren incase they would worry. So therefore Randy could be telling the truth.

Maybe they did not think the kids would find out.  :icon_e_confused:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transient_ischemic_attack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transient_ischemic_attack)

BTW I was using my 'normal' head when I thought of that, not my 'hoaxy' one.  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: MaryK on July 18, 2012, 05:08:54 PM
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Regarding the mini stroke, I believe it is perfectly possible for Katherine to have had one, but not told the grandchildren incase they would worry. So therefore Randy could be telling the truth.

Maybe they did not think the kids would find out.  :icon_e_confused:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transient_ischemic_attack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transient_ischemic_attack)

Well in this case I think they would have enlightened them before the letter was issued and acknowledged by Randy.
They KNOW that the kids are on the web.
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: reveron1958 on July 18, 2012, 05:15:32 PM
True, but they may not have expected the letter to be published on the net.

Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: MaryK on July 18, 2012, 05:20:20 PM
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True, but they may not have expected the letter to be published on the net.

So how did that letter surface?
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: IWantYouBack on July 18, 2012, 05:29:39 PM
Not surprised about this at all. Time to open the doors for the big BAM! (If there is a BAM)
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: blankie on July 18, 2012, 05:55:28 PM
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Lol.

Well of course it's nearly time for them to resign. MJ is coming back.

Heehee.



 :icon_bounce: :icon_e_surprised: :icon_e_surprised: bec...with your words you make me happy...    :moonwalk_:  I think the same .... after a period of total silence, now a news after another....and behind this there is  Mike sure ..  :icon_bounce: I love this moment !!  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: marumjj on July 18, 2012, 07:01:25 PM
Wow! I have a feeling we approach the end of this hoax, and had the calm, it's time the storm .. or better BAM. Thanks guys for the information. keep watching
                           :bearhug:
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: StrangerInCalifornia on July 18, 2012, 08:06:16 PM
 ??? So we're supposed to believe that the family knew the will was fake, but waited three whole years to say anything and allowed these fraudulent executors to do whatever they wanted with the estate??  :WTF: That doesn't even make any sense
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: simalves on July 18, 2012, 10:25:14 PM
I think it is very convenient. They have used John Branca and Mclain. Used them to clear the debt, and used them to make MJ a household name that everyone respects again. It is not true that the kids and their grandmother have less money, they are managing very well and are living life happily.

The Estate has done a great job in the last 3 years.  I think they have had good projects (apart from the Michael CD controversy)
- Highest Grossing North American Tour - Michael Jackson still tops highest grossing North American tour - Music-News.com (http://www.music-news.com/shownews.asp?H=Michael-Jackson-still-tops-highest-grossing-North-American-tour&nItemID=54226)
- BAD DVD release (the fans have been waiting for it for 20+ years)
- CLEARING THE DEBT
- ACQUIRING various Music companies

The only people they have offended is the family, not allowing the father's perfumes, not supporting the brother's tour, etc.

Maybe it is sweet revenge, getting Branca & Mclain to ressurect MJ's name and then pulling the rug out from under their feet. Or maybe Michael really trusts these lawyers - we will know shortly.


Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: Loveunited on July 18, 2012, 11:01:55 PM
Fan Group Backlash:







Open Letter On Behalf Of Michael Jackson Fans in Support of MJ Estate

 


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Michael Jackson's fan base is aware of derogatory statements made by certain members of the Jackson family, against the executors of his Estate. We are shocked and saddened that propaganda, rather than seeking avenues to address their concerns legally, have been used to gain sympathy. While we most certainly support the beneficiaries of Jackson's Estate, Katherine Jackson and Michael's children, we equally support the executors, Mr. John Branca and Mr. John McClain.
 

Jackson's fans understand that the task both Branca and McClain took on when Michael died was staggering. Weighted in nearly $400 million in debt, with an overwhelming amount of pending lawsuits, the Executors took the reins of the Estate and went to work.
 





Posthumously, the Executors have ensured the highest grossing music documentary of all time, This Is It, two successful albums, the number one tour in the world, Cirque du Soleil's IMMORTAL, sold millions of Michael Jackson The Experience video games, and are planning a huge release for the 25th anniversary of Jackson's legendary Bad album. Although every fan does not agree with all decisions the Estate has made, we agree that overall, the Estate has done well in preserving Michael's legacy. In addition, we agree with the Estate, that "false and defamatory accusations grounded in stale Internet conspiracy" do nothing to promote the positive ethic Michael Jackson espoused while alive.
 





In three years, Jackson's Estate is thriving, nearly debt free and Michael Jackson's music is still at the forefront of the music industry. We wholeheartedly support Michael Jackson's final wishes; that he trusted both John Branca and John McClain to continue his message through his music. The Michael Jackson fan base thanks the Executors for continuing to do just that, with grace and dignity.
 





Sincerely,

MJJCommunity, MJJUnderground, MJJJusticeProject, United4MJsLegacy, MJ Fans of NYC, MJ4Justice, Justice4MJ, TributoMJ, MJTruthNow, MJNation, SOMJ, Canadian MJ Fan Club, The Jam Café, Michael Jackson Vindication 2.0, Stop Global Airwave Abuse


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Note to individual fans: Please post the letter at your blogs, facebook and twitter accounts and help with circulation of it.




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Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on July 19, 2012, 01:05:30 AM
very good point Stranger in California.


what? only an issue now??

Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: Loveunited on July 19, 2012, 07:46:35 AM
The familys objection ISN'T new. Motions were filed originally and the will was upheld--this is what is referred to in the Estate's response to the family's letter.  The will contained a clause that if the will were challenged, no one who was to benefit from the family trust would receive anything.  HOW BLATANT IS THAT?   Since those who signed the letter allegedly wouldn't benefit from the family trust, they have position to do something. TIME has most likely been important to gather information and to let the rope loose a bit before the knot needed to be tied......... "hoisted by their own petard....' (okay gotta be of a certain generation to remember THAT reference!

So the plan is in motion......wrongs righted....... truth will prevail in time....
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: Loveunited on July 19, 2012, 07:50:46 AM
PS...personally I am waiting for the criminal  interventions  ; even tho i do agree that the "feather" of divine justice outweighs the justice of man on that scale.......Still, i would like to accounting for on this earthly plane......
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: bec on July 19, 2012, 07:57:21 AM
Oh how fun. The Jackson's Reality Show is back for another season.
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: Loveunited on July 19, 2012, 08:28:59 AM
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Oh how fun. The Jackson's Reality Show is back for another season.


 :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: reveron1958 on July 19, 2012, 08:37:49 AM
So basically Paris logged onto Twitter and saw/heard a rumor from somewhere that her Grandmother had suffered a stroke. She assumed it was referring to Katherine's current state of health and did not have the full details. She then went on the defensive to clear it up immediately, not knowing they were referring to a past mini-stroke. She then asked people to tell her who was spreading the rumor and was told Uncle Randy, so she immediately tweeted him.

Hot headed little thing  :icon_lol:

Glad Jermaine cleared it up.  :icon_cool:
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: bec on July 19, 2012, 08:40:03 AM
Ah... that's a whole lot of assumptions you made there, reveron.
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: reveron1958 on July 19, 2012, 09:02:01 AM
 :icon_lol:

It was my interpretation of Jermaine's tweets.

Does it sound unfeasible to you then?
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on July 19, 2012, 10:06:17 AM
@ reveron

its kinda like judging paris beacuse of the punchline, when there are other reasons / circustances we dont know, regarding 'why' she posted. it could be completely hoax related.

dont forget, the jacksons are kinda famous for their inhouse family fighting (all families are like this, they just happen to have public viewers) the drama actually draws people in.

look at how we are drawn in over it. i think there is 4 threads discussing the tweets / will right now.


you know the saying, even bad publicity is good publicity.... i think it applies here (not that i believe it's a genuine situation as i think its more strategic somehow)


Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on July 19, 2012, 10:21:07 AM
side note, and not sure where to post this because there are so many threads abt the subject right now, and this is more to do with randy, i admit...

but i am saddened, dissappointed and angry at some of the responses i am reading from non believer folk on twitter. really not nice stuff abt the family.

i actually need to tidy up my twitter and get rid of some of the trash talkers.


sigh. if only they would 'get' it. so many clues, hints & whispers and they fail to see each and every one of them.  :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: bec on July 19, 2012, 10:38:31 AM
Don't feel sorry for people who squandered the same opportunity you recognized. They have had the exact same info we have, yet they refuse to see. Over n over n over again. This is what I consider witnessing a lesson in the midst of being learned. They were given a rope and instead of climbing it they chose to hang themselves instead.

I still love the headline, "Jacksons DEMAND executors resign". Lol, I imagine MJ saying, ok guys, we are almost done, it's time to resign----> "J's DEMAND resignation!" Funny.
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on July 19, 2012, 10:55:46 AM
My post came across wrong. Perhaps the sigh was misleading. Don't feel sorry for them, more baffled by the level of ignorance at every single MJ related release. Nothing blatantly hoaxy registers with them and penetrates their tunnel vision! More a sigh of disbelief at the amount of blindness.

Just cleaned out my twitter, non believers are gong on about how evil randy was during 05 trial etc

Don't mean to be rude, but i just can't do dumb anymore. It's tiresome.
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: MJonmind on July 19, 2012, 02:34:32 PM
Yep, perspective is everything! You got to be wearing hoax glasses to see, otherwise nothing makes sense, and someone has to be to blame.
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: hesouttamylife on July 19, 2012, 04:13:29 PM
I’m kinda late on this discussion.  I’ve decided its better to not try posting at work.  It frustrates me.

Anyway, regarding Joe’s lawsuit, wasn’t it disclosed that his lawsuit was dismissed because Katherine filed first?  Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought I read that somewhere.  :icon_e_confused:  And according to what I’ve read , they have up to 6 years to contest the will since they questioned the validity in court early on and if they subsequently feel things are not being handled honestly.  Not meaning it will change anything but they are within their rights to file on it.
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: IWantYouBack on July 19, 2012, 04:27:40 PM
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Oh how fun. The Jackson's Reality Show is back for another season.

 :icon_lol:  :th_bravo:
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: hesouttamylife on July 19, 2012, 05:17:04 PM
MJJJusticeProject ‏@MJJJusticePrjct
jane velez mitchell on HLN tonight going to talk about this letter.. "follow the money" she says on her facebook clip - pffft

 :icon_e_confused: Is there anyway to watch this online?  I, unlike 99% of the planet, do not subscribe to cable t.v.
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: Loveunited on July 20, 2012, 07:59:46 AM
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I’m kinda late on this discussion.  I’ve decided its better to not try posting at work.  It frustrates me.

Anyway, regarding Joe’s lawsuit, wasn’t it disclosed that his lawsuit was dismissed because Katherine filed first?  Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought I read that somewhere.  :icon_e_confused:  And according to what I’ve read , they have up to 6 years to contest the will since they questioned the validity in court early on and if they subsequently feel things are not being handled honestly.  Not meaning it will change anything but they are within their rights to file on it.


Hesoutta,

My recollection was that it was  dismissed because he wasn't a named party in the will, therefore could not object to those who were named to execute the will, as Katherine did.
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: Loveunited on July 20, 2012, 08:06:22 AM
At least ABC news is reporting on what the letter is OBJECTING TO!



Top 5 Accusations Michael Jackson Siblings Make Against His Estate

Janet, Jermaine, Tito and Rebbie threatening legal action against the executors of Michael Jackson's estate.
abcnews.go.com/...accusations-michael-jackson-siblings-make-estate/...





Okay, so now it has hit mainstream news....





Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: curls on July 20, 2012, 08:44:30 AM
Good-o!  Mainstream media needs to start joining in - MJ news can't be kept just to Twitter and MJ forums. They're gonna have to get used to it! By the way, that link didn't work Loveunited, so I've put this one that hopefully will:

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/top-accusations-michael-jackson-siblings-make-estate/story?id=16813632#.UAlf2qCEA9N (http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/top-accusations-michael-jackson-siblings-make-estate/story?id=16813632#.UAlf2qCEA9N)
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: Loveunited on July 20, 2012, 09:11:09 AM
Thank you Curls, I am often frustrated by my lack of computer comptence! I appreciate you posting it so people can view it. I think hitting mainstream media is significant.
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: 2good2btrue on July 20, 2012, 09:16:46 AM
BREAKING NEWS! HLN TV: Letter from MJ family to John Branca and John McClain - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoG6yaAu3uE&feature=youtu.be)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoG6yaAu3uE&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: paula-c on July 20, 2012, 11:11:04 AM
"Gathering of Thieves"


It's a little long, read the link, she says things that if they have sense.

Michael Jackson Justice (http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.com/)
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: MaryK on July 20, 2012, 01:33:09 PM
Some more gossip:

Michael Jackson News - Jackson Family Deserves Justice in Fight Over Michael Jackson's Estate, Writes Ian Halperin (EXCLUSIVE GUEST BLOG) - Celebuzz (http://www.celebuzz.com/2012-07-20/jackson-family-deserves-justice-in-fight-over-michael-jacksons-estate-writes-ian-halperin-exclusive-guest-blog/)

Katherine Jackson 'Blindsided' By Her Children's Letter To Michael Jackson's Executors | Radar Online (http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/07/katherine-jackson-blindsided-her-childrens-letter-michael-jacksons-executors)
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: finfin on July 20, 2012, 04:25:34 PM
                                               
                                           The Media's Coverage of the Jackson family's feud with the Estate - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnJ4DPh80MY&feature=player_embedded)

                                              [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnJ4DPh80MY&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: blankie on July 20, 2012, 05:42:00 PM
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Oh how fun. The Jackson's Reality Show is back for another season.


 :icon_lol:  greatest bec...as always...  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: 2good2btrue on July 20, 2012, 10:49:52 PM
So when do the police get involved with all this??   If it is a fake will, then what is the next step...

If they can't contest the will anymore, then the motive is to expose the executors of the will as frauds...........

I don't understand Paris's role in all of this.  Maybe to stir up contraversey??  Then again, this has got the media attnetion just as Michael wanted.... :th_bravo: :abouttime:
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: MJonmind on July 21, 2012, 01:07:18 AM
Paula-c, linked  Michael Jackson Justice (http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.ca/)
Quote
Now let’s look at some of the questionable deals that Randy and family complained about in their letter.  Anyone believing that Michael Jackson would have anything to do with Pepsi ever again, or SONY, or John Branca/McClain is not a Michael Jackson fan.  You don’t know him, or you don’t care about him….
Bonnie makes quite the accusation. :icon_mad: But if she thinks MJ is dead, it colors all her understanding of people that 'were' in MJ's life.  She lists many MJ fan groups, and brands them all wrong.
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: reveron1958 on July 21, 2012, 03:05:46 AM
From what I have read, Bonnie thinks Michael is alive.

I read her blog but only the MJ bits  :icon_cool: as the other religious stuff is too confusing   :errrr:

I usually come away not really knowing what the blog post is about  :icon_redface:
Title: Re: Jackson Family members demand Estate executors resign
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on July 21, 2012, 05:13:21 AM
i too have been following her blog for a while now, which doesnt necessarily constitute me a fan either. from what i have obsered in the few months whilst going back and reading som eof the older posts, there isnt a consistent angle she is looking at the hoax from. not saying this is a good or bad thing, but it makes it hard for the reader to understand what she personally believes.
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