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Title: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: MaryK on July 15, 2012, 03:45:21 PM
I am sure most of you know this vid already, but...strangely...it´s been re-uploaded by TMZ today again.

Description to the vid:

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Not only is he defying medical science -- but Michael Jackson claims he can still defy gravity too!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxF1BNk382A&feature=share[/youtube]

 :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: finfin on July 15, 2012, 05:22:15 PM
Coincidentally I tweeted the post from TMZ site on 8th July, The date of the original TMZ post is 25th June 2010 - The Caption is:

 - Michael Jackson wearing black mask - assured us he would be able to moonwalk at his scheduled London concerts

                                               Michael Jackson -- The Final TMZ Encounter | TMZ.com (http://www.tmz.com/2010/06/25/last-video-of-michael-jackson-before-death/)

Michael Jackson -- The Final TMZ Encounter
The last time we shot Michael Jackson, he was leaving Dr. Arnie Klein's offices in Beverly Hills just two weeks before he died ... and assured us that he would be able to moonwalk at his scheduled London concerts.
                                                       
At the time -- June 9, 2009 -- no one could anticipate the tragedy that would follow ... nor the massive investigations involving practically everyone connected to the singer.

As for our last encounter with Michael, he was his usual kind self -- more than willing to talk to his fans ... and in this case, he even gave the photogs an update on his health status, saying he was feeling "good."
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: paula-c on July 15, 2012, 05:52:39 PM
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I am sure most of you know this vid already, but...strangely...it´s been re-uploaded by TMZ today again.

Description to the vid:

Quote
Not only is he defying medical science -- but Michael Jackson claims he can still defy gravity too!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxF1BNk382A&feature=share[/youtube]

 :icon_mrgreen:














The jacket......... :suspect:
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: MaryK on July 15, 2012, 06:00:58 PM
Yes Paula, the jacket....didn´t we talk about that huh?  :icon_e_wink:

But not only the jacket....

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Not only is he defying medical science...

I think that is a rather odd and ambiguous caption!
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: finfin on July 15, 2012, 07:03:48 PM
  The video on the TMZ site has been removed, it was there 8th July. I have tweeted Harvey to ask why the video has been uploaded on YouTube. Don't expect a reply though
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on July 15, 2012, 07:22:24 PM
seen that one before. although it was ages ago. only saw the jacket this time i viewed the video though. so glad you posted mary, thanks!

interesting that they posted it up again. wonder what all thats about... and then removing it... boy TMZ love doing that!
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: loveratheart4mj on July 15, 2012, 08:12:17 PM
fellow believers we know TMZ has a big hand in this. I think when things are going a big slow they toss us some crumbs to get the chatter going LOL. Those little devils   :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: bec on July 15, 2012, 08:35:48 PM
Not a coincidence.
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: rachel1018 on July 15, 2012, 09:04:14 PM
they like to throw us crumbs sometimes...........oh, TMZ..........:)
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: Adi on July 15, 2012, 10:04:11 PM
MJ is going to defy medical science by coming back from being "dead"    :beerchug:   :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: Shamone Jackson on July 15, 2012, 10:53:04 PM
Why pull a Michael Jackson video from their vault?  You would think they would find one of someone that is still around.  (Yes, I feel MJ is still here  ;)  ).

Here is HollywoodTV's video during that same time:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGqtVnT5lyc&list=PLFB534EB490EB4CED&index=14[/youtube]
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: CC on July 16, 2012, 12:00:07 AM
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MJ is going to defy medical science by coming back from being "dead"    :beerchug:   :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile

like the picture of the casket moonwalkin?? lol
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: Adi on July 16, 2012, 12:08:34 AM
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MJ is going to defy medical science by coming back from being "dead"    :beerchug:   :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile

like the picture of the casket moonwalkin?? lol

hahaha......yes

 :moonwalk_:
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: Josiec84 on July 16, 2012, 03:45:53 AM
LOL! Poor guy. He just wanted to have a relaxing car ride  :thjajaja121:
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: MJonmind on July 16, 2012, 05:09:29 AM
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seen that one before. although it was ages ago. only saw the jacket this time i viewed the video though. so glad you posted mary, thanks!

interesting that they posted it up again. wonder what all thats about... and then removing it... boy TMZ love doing that!
Yes, but they always wait till we have it posted here and it's safely noted. :icon_lol:

Josiec84
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LOL! Poor guy. He just wanted to have a relaxing car ride

I know you're just kidding, but someone once said, we don't see MJ unless he has planned it for some purpose--publicity of some kind.  He could easily have found alternative routes to take or getaways that are completely inconspicuous. This last footage before his 'death' was strategic for the hoax.
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: diggyon on July 16, 2012, 05:20:04 AM
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Yes Paula, the jacket....didn´t we talk about that huh?

What's wrong with the jacket? I like it. It's shiny!
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: MaryK on July 16, 2012, 05:28:00 AM
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Yes Paula, the jacket....didn´t we talk about that huh?

What's wrong with the jacket? I like it. It's shiny!

There´s nothing wrong with the jacket.

Read here:

What IF Conrad Murray is MJ (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22702.msg415514#msg415514)

 :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on July 16, 2012, 05:29:00 AM
the jacket isnt offensive. its more like 'significant'


edit: sorry didnt see you posted the murray link mary K. thanks.
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: bugsy on July 16, 2012, 06:02:34 AM
I don't know if it's just me but Michael sounds like he has an accent, I've seen this vid before a few times and thought the same each time. Am i just crazy?
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: diggyon on July 16, 2012, 06:35:53 AM
MaryK, I checked the link but couldn't understand anything about the jacket. I guess I missed stuff lately. :(

But I found a nice collection on the internet though. :LolLolLolLol: The man has style.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-raR3WzimVfQ/T-RpPuTamVI/AAAAAAAAAOM/BVmdIzByZHg/s1600/MJ+COSTUMES.JPG)


Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: MaryK on July 16, 2012, 06:40:40 AM
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MaryK, I checked the link but couldn't understand anything about the jacket. I guess I missed stuff lately. :(

But I found a nice collection on the internet though. :LolLolLolLol: The man has style.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-raR3WzimVfQ/T-RpPuTamVI/AAAAAAAAAOM/BVmdIzByZHg/s1600/MJ+COSTUMES.JPG)

Yes, you obviously DID miss stuff  :icon_e_wink:
Don´t worry, happens to us all sometimes.

Read this and you´ll probably understand:

What IF Conrad Murray is MJ (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22702.msg413592#msg413592)

 :bearhug:
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on July 16, 2012, 07:00:28 AM
the jacket is reminisent and possible an updated (shiny :icon_cool:) version of a jacket from years ago that was used by a disguised MJ with facial make up / prosthesis. the same jacket was also found in wardrobe carolwood with a 'fake' blood stained shirt implying 'disguise' or 'hoax'

edit: then TMZ reshow the video with MJ wearing the jacket again during "our last encounter with MJ" - and he is wearing hoax / disguise jacket. the jacket was being spoken abt here on forum. so they are reading.

Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: loyalfan on July 16, 2012, 07:04:22 AM
i am sorry guys but i must have my "mrs thick" head on today,can i ask...............why the jacket comment,and why do we think the video is important ????  xxxx
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on July 16, 2012, 07:09:26 AM
read my post above and then after that click mary's link to the murray / MJ thread.

tmz have taken the video down, again. which always says something. up long enough for us to talk about it and then take it down once conversation is rolling in the forum.


by the way "Hello TMZ" and thank you for your role in this!

(http://www.selfdefencesa.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/handwaving1.jpg)
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on July 16, 2012, 07:10:50 AM
oh and re: mrs thick head - dont worry been there done that many a time.  :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: diggyon on July 16, 2012, 07:29:35 AM
@ Aussie and MaryK,

(http://essexacupunctureroom.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/thank-you-note.jpg)

I'm on the right track again.

That one is still my favorite.(I insist)... :LolLolLolLol:
(http://www4.images.coolspotters.com/photos/101708/michael-jackson-military-jacket-profile.png)

Sorry, off topic
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on July 16, 2012, 07:32:46 AM
@diggy - no worries. i didnt make the connection (i dont have the memory or finesse for details like that - though i wish i did) merely pointing you in the direction. great work on behalf of those who came up with that.

 :th_bravo:
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: curls on July 16, 2012, 07:38:41 AM
Thing is it's not the same jacket is it, so am I being a bit slow here too?!  Are you saying TMZ posting a similar jacket, is them acknowledging our discussion about the jacket next to the 'bloody' shirt?
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: diggyon on July 16, 2012, 07:42:00 AM
curls
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Are you saying TMZ posting a similar jacket, is them acknowledging our discussion about the jacket next to the 'bloody' shirt?

That's what I understood! ::)
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 16, 2012, 09:44:49 AM
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curls
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Are you saying TMZ posting a similar jacket, is them acknowledging our discussion about the jacket next to the 'bloody' shirt?

That's what I understood! ::)

Yes, the same happened with the teeth issue and Jermaine, it looks like whoever is acknowledging our discussions here they later provide us with pictures, videos or reports supporting our theories or not, who knows  :suspect:.
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: diggyon on July 16, 2012, 09:53:24 AM
yeah, that's the way it goes. That's why this hoax is so great.
Let's wait and see. May be the next  MJ's picture of the day on his facebook site would be a picture of one of his nice Jackets!!  :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:

Who knows.
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: wishingstar on July 16, 2012, 10:59:37 AM
Great thread...thank you.
With regards to the jacket talk.....
in TII, the very ending....he says, "....going to button my jacket or whatever it is...."
That has always stuck with me.  Wouldn't he have known exactly what he'd be wearing?
A jacket, an over shirt, etc......by then , all the costumes were set. They were like 18 days away from opening, weren't they?
(which I find incredible to say the least......a whole other topic)
Somewhere, I was watching Michael's costume designers being interviewed (Michael Bush and Dennis Tompkins)...they made mention of how Michael's costumes for his concerts, always started out form fitting and more tight.  Then as the concert progressed, they had to be more loose and flow....to give him comfort.  Following this thought,  I highly doubt a jacket would have been designed for his last song.  He always ended with Man in the Mirror (Kenny O said that in TII).....again a more open and comfortable shirt is what I have seen.  Here we have a specific mention of jacket in TII...and snapping of the fingers too.  He also said he's,  ".....going to look around and play with them a little......." Are we being played with?  Oh yeah...TMZ loves it!
 :icon_twisted:  Harvey......you're the bad one........bet you can't even moonwalk!!!   :icon_lol:

Off to my java time.......
Blessings Always
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: FinalCurtain on July 16, 2012, 11:07:45 AM
Is it something they usually do? :confused:
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: wishingstar on July 16, 2012, 11:27:22 AM
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Is it something they usually do? :confused:

Hey there FinalCurtain.....do you mean is it something TMZ usually does? 
If so, I'd say oh yes, for sure.  There was one time Harvey said something like,
"....if Michael were dead, I mean he is dead, but...." 
Guys....help me out here.....what other things has TMZ done or said to lead us to believe
they like to play with us? (whether they are in on it all or not)  I know there's a list a mile long....

Blessings
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: diggyon on July 16, 2012, 11:34:48 AM
Halle Berry Rips CURLS on the beach

Halle Berry -- Rips CURLS on the Beach | TMZ.com (http://www.tmz.com/2012/05/29/halle-berry-olivier-martinez-malibu-photo/)

And we have a dear user called "curls" on the forum.
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: diggyon on July 16, 2012, 12:27:06 PM
@wishingstar,

may be we could start a thread with all the TMZ articles that are to be considered as "playing with us"?
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: wishingstar on July 16, 2012, 12:44:44 PM
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@wishingstar,

may be we could start a thread with all the TMZ articles that are to be considered as "playing with us"?

Yes, you read my mind diggyon :)  I looked around.  We have a lot of TMZ threads, but none that I can
plainly see as a thread listing all the playful things they love to taught us with. 
Get your lists ready out and ready......I'll go start one. 


Blessings
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: Shamone Jackson on July 16, 2012, 01:32:37 PM
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Is it something they usually do? :confused:

Hey there FinalCurtain.....do you mean is it something TMZ usually does? 
If so, I'd say oh yes, for sure.  There was one time Harvey said something like,
"....if Michael were dead, I mean he is dead, but...." 
Guys....help me out here.....what other things has TMZ done or said to lead us to believe
they like to play with us? (whether they are in on it all or not)  I know there's a list a mile long....

Blessings

I hope the poster correct me if I'm wrong, but I think they were asking if it's common that TMZ pulls videos from their vaults?  I don't subscribe to their YT account and I don't visit their site as often.  So does anyone know if TMZ posts these vault videos from time to time?
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: wishingstar on July 16, 2012, 02:02:15 PM
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Is it something they usually do? :confused:

Hey there FinalCurtain.....do you mean is it something TMZ usually does? 
If so, I'd say oh yes, for sure.  There was one time Harvey said something like,
"....if Michael were dead, I mean he is dead, but...." 
Guys....help me out here.....what other things has TMZ done or said to lead us to believe
they like to play with us? (whether they are in on it all or not)  I know there's a list a mile long....

Blessings

I hope the poster correct me if I'm wrong, but I think they were asking if it's common that TMZ pulls videos from their vaults?  I don't subscribe to their YT account and I don't visit their site as often.  So does anyone know if TMZ posts these vault videos from time to time?

Ah, yes that does make sense...thank you.  Short answer: I don't know.
They do post old pictures and things...the whole "Remember Them When" or when they post a star's childhood picture.....
good thought.  I went ahead and made a thread for the TMZ play anyways.  There's a lot they mess around with. 
But, I think you are correct with the whole vault video thing. 

LOVE
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: finfin on July 16, 2012, 02:56:31 PM
              Video summary from esprit467   

                                   Michael Jackson death hoax - TMZ`s LAST ENCOUNTER WITH MJ - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlZGCsCo1Jo&feature=g-all-u)

                                                            [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlZGCsCo1Jo&feature=g-all-u [/youtube]


                                   
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: emulik on July 16, 2012, 03:29:19 PM
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Halle Berry Rips CURLS on the beach

Halle Berry -- Rips CURLS on the Beach | TMZ.com (http://www.tmz.com/2012/05/29/halle-berry-olivier-martinez-malibu-photo/)

And we have a dear user called "curls" on the forum.
yes and I remember one article no hoax related but title of that article was very interesting- Kim Kardashian`s BACK and FRONT....(or something like that). There are indeed many very hoaxy articles from TMZ, so definitely they are reading here.
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: diggyon on July 16, 2012, 03:35:29 PM
It's: Kim Kardashian
Baby Got Front....&Back

Kim Kardashian -- Baby Got Front ... & Back! | TMZ.com (http://www.tmz.com/2012/02/21/kim-kardashian-purple-bikini/)

I'm posting it in the other thread.
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: emulik on July 16, 2012, 03:38:12 PM
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It's: Kim Kardashian
Baby Got Front....&Back

Kim Kardashian -- Baby Got Front ... & Back! | TMZ.com (http://www.tmz.com/2012/02/21/kim-kardashian-purple-bikini/)

I'm posting it in the other thread.
thank you diggyon!
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on July 16, 2012, 06:12:11 PM
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I know you're just kidding, but someone once said, we don't see MJ unless he has planned it for some purpose--publicity of some kind.  He could easily have found alternative routes to take or getaways that are completely inconspicuous. This last footage before his 'death' was strategic for the hoax.

Absolutely! A footage in which MJ's looking good and feeling good - and NOT frail and sickly according to news reports - shortly before his 'dead' is indeed strategic and significant for the hoax. It could be planned to show this footage to the whole world.
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: blankie on July 16, 2012, 06:18:06 PM
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I know you're just kidding, but someone once said, we don't see MJ unless he has planned it for some purpose--publicity of some kind.  He could easily have found alternative routes to take or getaways that are completely inconspicuous. This last footage before his 'death' was strategic for the hoax.

Absolutely! A footage in which MJ's looking good and feeling good - and NOT frail and sickly according to news reports - shortly before his 'dead' is indeed strategic and significant for the hoax. It could be planned to show this footage to the whole world.


 :th_bravo: :th_bravo: :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce: :ghsdf:
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: diggyon on July 16, 2012, 06:19:14 PM
@emulik

you're welcome :)
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: wishingstar on July 16, 2012, 06:51:55 PM
If I had 5 seconds to ask Michael Jackson anything.....I would not ask him if he can still moonwalk.
Sort of insulting sounding at best.......
So, yes, MJonmind, I think you are indeed correct at saying this last footage from TMZ was strategic.
I also find it very convenient that HollywoodTV was there as well.  They were all over things early on......
they are the ones with the backing out ambulance video. 
Why do I get the feeling we have seen the people who are playing the paparazzi before?  I am constantly
on the lookout for people we saw in the TII press conference, videos, court, crowds etc......I feel like I keep seeing the
same people, in different dress/roles. 
I have lost it, haven't I?  Don't know if I ever it to begin with though....so maybe that doesn't count  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: marumjj on July 16, 2012, 07:16:29 PM
TMZ definitely play in the hoax, because just the video jacket reissued?
Hi Harvey! will be welcome to register at last  :th_bravo:
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 16, 2012, 07:17:36 PM
This video was uploaded by HolywoodTV on June 10 2009 and the reporter emphasized on Michael being well, however 6 months before this reportage was made it was said that Michael had 6 months to live, was it made on purpose to make us wonder about Michael's "death"?

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGqtVnT5lyc&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Title: Re: TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012
Post by: GINAFELICIA on July 16, 2012, 10:52:37 PM
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I am sure most of you know this vid already, but...strangely...it´s been re-uploaded by TMZ today again.

Description to the vid:

Quote
Not only is he defying medical science -- but Michael Jackson claims he can still defy gravity too!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxF1BNk382A&feature=share[/youtube]

 :icon_mrgreen:

That sweet voice is so...sweet.....why wouldn't I be able to :icon_mrgreen:?
I love his confidence. I am 41 and I see how my body is older and older every day and how I am not able to do things like before but Mike no, he thinks he is able to do it, why not :icon_albino:??
Good lesson Mike.
I love you!!
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