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Title: Will the Jackson 4 tour surprise us with this?????
Post by: 2good2btrue on December 27, 2009, 09:05:46 AM
Jermaine did say they wanted to add some sort of hollogram on stage at the tribute concert so they could all perform with MJ again.  Look how this duet with Celion Dion and Elvis Presley was done not so long ago.  It's all new technology and special effects, but it looks like he is really there.  
I THINK THATS WHEN MICHAEL JACKSON WILL RETURN....
Is that when MJ jumps out and says "SURPRISE"

PLEASE WATCH THIS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO10pkOLERQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO10pkOLERQ)
Title: Re: Will the Jackson 4 tour surprise us with this?????
Post by: mjthelegendlives on December 27, 2009, 09:50:35 AM
true...I never thought a hologram would cast a shadow...I think this was discussed a while ago at MJKIT, but its not a bad idea to refresh our minds with information on how does a hologram really work.  :)
Title: Re: Will the Jackson 4 tour surprise us with this?????
Post by: Eva R on December 27, 2009, 10:03:55 AM
but when will this tour begin?
Title: Re: Will the Jackson 4 tour surprise us with this?????
Post by: 2good2btrue on December 27, 2009, 10:42:49 AM
The date has not been set yet from what I've read and heard. But that could change over night.  Would'nt this be amazing.  The brothers all said that there will be many surprises!!!!!
Title: Re: Will the Jackson 4 tour surprise us with this?????
Post by: Eva R on December 27, 2009, 10:45:13 AM
Quote from: "2good2btrue"
The date has not been set yet for what I've read and heard. But that could change over night.  Would'nt this be amazing.  The brothers all said that there will be many surprises!!!!!
yeah! I can't wait! i hope it is soon because i don't wnt to wait so long! :P
Title: Re: Will the Jackson 4 tour surprise us with this?????
Post by: Ninanina on December 27, 2009, 10:49:43 AM
Quote from: "Zilda"
Wow.. Elvis even has a shadow and a reflection on the floor.. :o
Don't know much about the technology used for this (yes hologram I know), but i didn't expect shadows..

In this case, Elvis could only be seen on TV. The audience there could only see the body double performing with Celine Dion. There's also a "making of" of it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8zR2nDd ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8zR2nDdzYM&feature=related)

But it is possible to project a real hologram to a live stage.
This company does it:
http://www.musion.co.uk/Gorillaz_MTV_Awards.html (http://www.musion.co.uk/Gorillaz_MTV_Awards.html)
Very interesting  :)

EDIT: Just in case you didn'T know: Michael made a full 3D body scan of himself duing the 90ies. So, it's absolutely possible to bring him back on stage - even in gold pants ;-)
http://gizmodo.com/5407507/michael-jack ... 15-million (http://gizmodo.com/5407507/michael-jacksons-3d-body-scans-on-ebay-for-15-million)
Title: Re: Will the Jackson 4 tour surprise us with this?????
Post by: Ninanina on December 27, 2009, 11:03:50 AM
Quote from: "Ninanina"
Quote from: "Zilda"
Wow.. Elvis even has a shadow and a reflection on the floor.. :o
Don't know much about the technology used for this (yes hologram I know), but i didn't expect shadows..

In this case, Elvis could only be seen on TV. The audience there could only see the body double performing with Celine Dion. There's also a "making of" of it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8zR2nDd ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8zR2nDdzYM&feature=related)

But it is possible to project a real hologram to a live stage.
This company does it:
http://www.musion.co.uk/Gorillaz_MTV_Awards.html (http://www.musion.co.uk/Gorillaz_MTV_Awards.html)
Very interesting  :)

EDIT: Just in case you didn'T know: Michael made a full 3D body scan of himself duing the 90ies. So, it's absolutely possible to bring him back on stage - even in gold pants ;-)
http://gizmodo.com/5407507/michael-jack ... 15-million (http://gizmodo.com/5407507/michael-jacksons-3d-body-scans-on-ebay-for-15-million)
But they it could also be directed from a distant location, filmed there and projected on the concert stage.
That was the last edit... I think...
Title: Re: Will the Jackson 4 tour surprise us with this?????
Post by: larab on December 27, 2009, 11:22:07 AM
really? they are actually going on a tour? i'm disgusted.
Title: Re: Will the Jackson 4 tour surprise us with this?????
Post by: virgo75 on December 27, 2009, 11:30:16 AM
Unfortunately, there is nothing that those brothers could do(short of having Michael actually there on stage) that would make me go see them on tour.   :lol:

I wouldn't go just to see a hologram.
Sorry Jermaine.   :lol:

Also, didn't they show that on CNN I think for last New Years Eve?
I think they had Will.I.Am from the Black Eyed Peas on as a "live" hologram?
Title: Re: Will the Jackson 4 tour surprise us with this?????
Post by: lisap27 on December 27, 2009, 11:50:10 AM
i think that thing with celine an elvis was awsome!! had to watch the making of it to..

although if they did it with Michael its a bit soon for this an i think some people would have a heart attack themsleves seriously its wierd..  :shock:  :shock:

then you'd get the speculation of was it him or was it a hologram..  :shock:
Title: Re: Will the Jackson 4 tour surprise us with this?????
Post by: Suzy on December 27, 2009, 11:51:44 AM
Hounest I hate this!If we dont get the real Michael back than I want nowone.I am sorry but I find this unrespectful.
Title: Re: Will the Jackson 4 tour surprise us with this?????
Post by: virgo75 on December 27, 2009, 02:06:53 PM
This is leading me back to all the references to the boloney the media puts out.

If they can fake Elvis being present and singing with Celin Dion, then what else could/would they fake???

Not just with MJ, but other serious world matters?   :shock:

 :(
Title: Re: Will the Jackson 4 tour surprise us with this?????
Post by: Eva R on December 27, 2009, 02:11:49 PM
Quote from: "virgo75"
This is leading me back to all the references to the boloney the media puts out.

If they can fake Elvis being present and singing with Celin Dion, then what else could/would they fake???

Not just with MJ, but other serious world matters?   :shock:

 :(
what do you mean??
Title: Re: Will the Jackson 4 tour surprise us with this?????
Post by: virgo75 on December 27, 2009, 02:27:15 PM
Quote from: "Eva R"
Quote from: "virgo75"
This is leading me back to all the references to the boloney the media puts out.

If they can fake Elvis being present and singing with Celin Dion, then what else could/would they fake???

Not just with MJ, but other serious world matters?   :shock:

 :(
what do you mean??


I mean if you can fake people being in certain places at certain times, then it could be made to look like all kinds of things are going on that aren't:

world leaders being killed
people rioting or being injured
anything


It also means that they could present objects as being there that aren't, like tanks, airplanes, weaponry, etc.  Anything they want.  And it could filmed and look REAL because it also has a shadow and other people would see it and react to it.

Also, you have to realize that the media and government don't show us the true "cutting edge" technology.
They keep that for themselves.
They only let "us" have and see what they want - which is probably last decade's throw aways.
Title: Re: Will the Jackson 4 tour surprise us with this?????
Post by: Eva R on December 27, 2009, 02:32:42 PM
Quote from: "virgo75"
Quote from: "Eva R"
Quote from: "virgo75"
This is leading me back to all the references to the boloney the media puts out.

If they can fake Elvis being present and singing with Celin Dion, then what else could/would they fake???

Not just with MJ, but other serious world matters?   :shock:

 :(
what do you mean??


I mean if you can fake people being in certain places at certain times, then it could be made to look like all kinds of things are going on that aren't:

world leaders being killed
people rioting or being injured
anything


It also means that they could present objects as being there that aren't, like tanks, airplanes, weaponry, etc.  Anything they want.  And it could filmed and look REAL because it also has a shadow and other people would see it and react to it.

Also, you have to realize that the media and government don't show us the true "cutting edge" technology.
They keep that for themselves.
They only let "us" have and see what they want - which is probably last decade's throw aways.
but i think people has to do it first to be like that hologram of elvis with celine. Because Elvis already did that song and dance and stuff.. that is just a video. and they took elvis out the video you know. so Elvis has just done it like in that video. So if anyone makes that, there has to be a original video of it. right?
Title: Re: Will the Jackson 4 tour surprise us with this?????
Post by: awesome1 on December 27, 2009, 02:40:54 PM
michael could have done this instead of himself doing this is it and id have still bought a ticket  :D  :lol:
Title: Re: Will the Jackson 4 tour surprise us with this?????
Post by: liegi on December 27, 2009, 02:49:16 PM
That was incredible. It seemed as if Elvis were there.  When I heard about the story that was leaked about MJ's hologram I immediately thought that the story was put out to justify MJ's return to the stage with the Jackson Four. It ties in perfectly with everything that has happened so far.
Title: Re: Will the Jackson 4 tour surprise us with this?????
Post by: lisap27 on December 27, 2009, 03:04:56 PM
@ Eva

i totally know where your coming from.. you mean they would have to have an original video of the performance.. like they did with Elvis showing how they did it..

like if he did somet from the dangerous tour we'd all recognise it cos of the tour an the brothers would learn a routine that co-inside with what mike is doin.. not that i believe they could at their age now!!

i still don't like the idea.. i think its too soon!! but i wonder what they could use!!
Title: Re: Will the Jackson 4 tour surprise us with this?????
Post by: liegi on December 27, 2009, 03:27:19 PM
I've always thought that this way the way he was going to come back, ever since I read the story that leaked (rather conveniently) about the hologram.  There have been too many "coincidences" ever since June 25th.  Truthfully speaking it was the only way to get people to listen to his music again without all the prejudice concerning the lies that were spread about him.
Title: Re: Will the Jackson 4 tour surprise us with this?????
Post by: virgo75 on December 27, 2009, 06:31:48 PM
Quote from: "Eva R"
but i think people has to do it first to be like that hologram of elvis with celine. Because Elvis already did that song and dance and stuff.. that is just a video. and they took elvis out the video you know. so Elvis has just done it like in that video. So if anyone makes that, there has to be a original video of it. right?

Well, yes and no.

Considering how easy it is to use actors and computer graphics to superimpose someone else's face on another's body, it's not hard at all to pretend that say Michael and Jermaine are dancing storm troopers from Star Wars.   :lol:
Except if you add better technology, you can make it look MORE real rather than on someone's siggie I saw(it was very cute and funny  :D )

Also, you have to realize that what they used for the Elvis "performance" was a VIDEO of the performance!  Not an actual performance happening somewhere else at that time.  So they added effects to make it look real and current.   At this point you can make a video of almost anything and make it look real - science fiction movies(Harry Potter, War of the Worlds, etc), 3d special effects, etc.  Some effects were also used in TII where they took video of a few of the dancers and then multiplied it so it looked like a whole army. This same video could be turned into a holographic image.  He also used 3d effects for Thriller.

What I'm trying to say(sorry having a hard time finding the words  :oops: ) is that it isn't a concern where they can take a recording of something currently happening or make a special video to use as a hologram - like the Will.I.Am thing.  The concern is that they can take a video that is NOT shot with the purpose of hologram and turn it into one.  Then you can make a hologram of anything.  Hope that makes sense.

I'd be very surprised if it hasn't already been done.
Title: Re: Will the Jackson 4 tour surprise us with this?????
Post by: 2good2btrue on December 28, 2009, 09:35:47 AM
Yes, you do make alot of sense  That's exactly what I was thinking.  They would need to use old footage first,  pre-recorded from the past, then they can place him on stage, during the Jackson 4 concerts, and it could look like he was really there, and then surprise surprise....................Michael Jackson becomes the real thing.  Just like a magician's act, or just like Criss Angel.....Lets see if they use a red curtain drop in their concerts.........................  They did in the 02 conference, didn't they?
Title: Re: Will the Jackson 4 tour surprise us with this?????
Post by: Harleyblonde on December 28, 2009, 09:51:22 AM
Quote from: "Suzy"
Hounest I hate this!If we dont get the real Michael back than I want nowone.I am sorry but I find this unrespectful.
I agree, when you think about it I do not think that anyone has the right to do this. When Elvis was alive he had a choice who he could perform in front of an audience with and when and doing something like this using the image and performance of an artist to me is not right. So in other words they can use the image and voice of departed artists such as Elvis and Michael and use as and with whom they want? Something wrong here. Is nothing sacred?
Title: Re: Will the Jackson 4 tour surprise us with this?????
Post by: DancingTheDream on December 28, 2009, 09:52:59 AM
Quote from: "larab"
really? they are actually going on a tour? i'm disgusted.

I agree.  Its disgusting.  Jermaine and his cronies disgust me.
Title: Re: Will the Jackson 4 tour surprise us with this?????
Post by: DontBelieveTheHype on December 28, 2009, 10:02:02 AM
So the tour is official or what?  :lol: Thats all? Bummer..
Title: Re: Will the Jackson 4 tour surprise us with this?????
Post by: Kirsche on December 28, 2009, 01:30:18 PM
Quote from: "2good2btrue"
Jermaine did say they wanted to add some sort of hollogram on stage at the tribute concert so they could all perform with MJ again.  Look how this duet with Celion Dion and Elvis Presley was done not so long ago.  It's all new technology and special effects, but it looks like he is really there.  
I THINK THATS WHEN MICHAEL JACKSON WILL RETURN....
Is that when MJ jumps out and says "SURPRISE"

PLEASE WATCH THIS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO10pkOLERQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO10pkOLERQ)



whoa!!!  :shock:   That is scary how real he looks!!!!


That would be an amazing surprise :D
Title: Re: Will the Jackson 4 tour surprise us with this?????
Post by: Tereza on December 29, 2009, 10:17:49 PM
It would be awesome...but don't you think people would go crazy?!I mean like really CRAZY in an unhealthy way...People always cried and freaked out at Michael's concerts anyway...
But If they realized that it is indeed Michael on stage...I think it would be very dangerous.
Some people could get a heart attack or there could be a mass panic... :?
Title: Re: Will the Jackson 4 tour surprise us with this?????
Post by: darkchild on December 29, 2009, 11:15:47 PM
Quote from: "Tereza"
It would be awesome...but don't you think people would go crazy?!I mean like really CRAZY in an unhealthy way...People always cried and freaked out at Michael's concerts anyway...
But If they realized that it is indeed Michael on stage...I think it would be very dangerous.
Some people could get a heart attack or there could be a mass panic... :?

Tereza, I totally agree with you.  I looked at the video with Celine and Elvis.  I am totally gobsmacked.  If there is a hologram of MJ on the Jackson's Comeback tour in 2010 of this high quality, I think people maybe so come over with emotion.  I really do people may have heart attacks or rush the stage if they think it is MJ.  Elvis's hologram actually cast shadows that is amazing!
Title: Re: Will the Jackson 4 tour surprise us with this?????
Post by: Ninanina on December 30, 2009, 09:13:14 AM
Forget the Elvis performance (although it's amazing), because that would only work on TV, NOT live for an audience!!!

OK, here's a two links about Live-3D-holograms.

http://www.telepresenceoptions.com/2009 ... ve_on_and/ (http://www.telepresenceoptions.com/2009/07/michael_jackson_to_live_on_and/)
This article talks about the planned Vienna Tribute, which didn't happen. So, the beginning is wrong, but read on.

http://www.allbusiness.com/travel-hospi ... 209-1.html (http://www.allbusiness.com/travel-hospitality-tourism/meetings-incentives-travel/12356209-1.html)
Musion Announces First Live Transatlantic Interactive 3-D Hologram Public Broadcast.
[youtube:1elaktdk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exnjWDDxTWU[/youtube:1elaktdk]


This one made me cry... The music... and then I imagined Michael to appear like that.  :cry:
[youtube:1elaktdk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srmySpfCVIg[/youtube:1elaktdk]

Madonna & The Gorillaz (and that was 3 years ago...)
[youtube:1elaktdk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDMA5EQSr-o[/youtube:1elaktdk]


This technology is a possibility for Michael to perform a worldwide concert or make a worldwide announcement, which makes me think of Cassandra Gretchen Sims, who said that Michael will make a worldwide tour and the tickets will be free(?).
I thought it was all BS, but seeing this - it would actually be possible! They'll obviously have to think about the ticket pricing... ;-)
That would be "V for Vendetta" times 1,000,000!  :D
Title: Re: Will the Jackson 4 tour surprise us with this?????
Post by: Rosie on December 30, 2009, 05:08:24 PM
Quote from: "Suzy"
Hounest I hate this!If we dont get the real Michael back than I want nowone.I am sorry but I find this unrespectful.


Michaels brothers have been milking this since day one!  I doubt if there is any one on this planet who would go and see them.... after all, the only reason anyone went to see them before was because Michael was with them right?  

As Suzy says, the whole thing is very disrespectful, not to mention greedy of them  ;)
Title: Re: Will the Jackson 4 tour surprise us with this?????
Post by: Game Player on December 31, 2009, 06:36:50 AM
Quote from: "Zilda"
Wow.. Elvis even has a shadow and a reflection on the floor.. :o
Don't know much about the technology used for this (yes hologram I know), but i didn't expect shadows..


Hehehe, that's because a body double was standing on stage. Notice the shots from far away and from behind.