6/18/2012 12:55 AM PDT BY TMZ STAFFhttp://www.tmz.com/2012/06/18/dr-conrad-murray-jail-dying-prison/#comments-fullwrapper (http://www.tmz.com/2012/06/18/dr-conrad-murray-jail-dying-prison/#comments-fullwrapper)
DR. CONRAD MURRAY
Help, I'm Dying in Jail!!!
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Dr. Conrad Murray is pulling a Floyd Mayweather Jr. -- pleading with a judge to spring him from L.A. County Jail because it's taking an extreme physical toll on his body ... and if he doesn't get help soon, Murray believes he'll DIE behind bars.
But here's the crazy thing -- unlike Mayweather, Murray's not asking for house arrest (he knows that will never happen) ... Murray's asking to be sent to PRISON, where he believes he'll get better care.
Murray's lawyer tells TMZ, he wants to serve out his time in the big house because he's being treated like filth in L.A. County jail -- getting fresh air once a month, and fresh underwear once a WEEK.
As a result of the alleged deprivation, we're told Murray's health is failing -- his hair, nails, and skin are gnarly ... and he's been suffering from a constant headache over the last few weeks.
Murray says he's never gotten headaches in the past -- and is worried it might be a brain tumor.
We're told Murray asked to see a doctor, but got shuffled around and has received no medical attention.
Murray told his attorney, Valerie Wass, "I may not make it out of here alive. This is a very dangerous place. I'm in here dying. The system is intent on killing me."
A rep for the L.A. County Sheriff's Department tells us, the department doesn't comment on pending cases.
The system is intent on killing me
Uh....first thing I can think of now (call me crazy):
Maybe the good doctor should eat more KIWI! :affraid:
Kiwifruit provides you with almost all important sort of vitamins required for your body.
--> helps to reduce deficiency symptoms (like gnarly hair, nails, skin)!
And (as MJonmind already stated in the Back and Front thread):
According to researchers at the University of Oslo , it is suggested that, consuming 2-3 kiwifruit daily for one month can significantly reduce platelet aggregation and blood triglyceride levels (similar to what Aspirin does), thus reducing the risk of blood clots, but without any side-effects and in very natural way
--> Will help to avoid or soothe headache!
So....not monkey needs more kiwi but Murray needs more kiwi :icon_lol:
:animal0017:
Murray's lawyer tells TMZ, he wants to serve out his time in the big house because he's being treated like filth in L.A. County jail -- getting fresh air once a month, and fresh underwear once a WEEK.
we're told Murray's health is failing -- his hair, nails, and skin are gnarly ... and he's been suffering from a constant headache over the last few weeks.
Murray says he's never gotten headaches in the past -- and is worried it might be a brain tumor.
Uh....first thing I can think of now (call me crazy):
Maybe the good doctor should eat more KIWI! :affraid:
Kiwifruit provides you with almost all important sort of vitamins required for your body.
--> helps to reduce deficiency symptoms (like gnarly hair, nails, skin)!
And (as MJonmind already stated in the Back and Front thread):
According to researchers at the University of Oslo , it is suggested that, consuming 2-3 kiwifruit daily for one month can significantly reduce platelet aggregation and blood triglyceride levels (similar to what Aspirin does), thus reducing the risk of blood clots, but without any side-effects and in very natural way
--> Will help to avoid or soothe headache!
So....not monkey needs more kiwi but Murray needs more kiwi :icon_lol:
:animal0017:
Uh....first thing I can think of now (call me crazy):
Maybe the good doctor should eat more KIWI! :affraid:
Kiwifruit provides you with almost all important sort of vitamins required for your body.
--> helps to reduce deficiency symptoms (like gnarly hair, nails, skin)!
And (as MJonmind already stated in the Back and Front thread):
According to researchers at the University of Oslo , it is suggested that, consuming 2-3 kiwifruit daily for one month can significantly reduce platelet aggregation and blood triglyceride levels (similar to what Aspirin does), thus reducing the risk of blood clots, but without any side-effects and in very natural way
--> Will help to avoid or soothe headache!
So....not monkey needs more kiwi but Murray needs more kiwi :icon_lol:
:animal0017:
Lol
@2good2betrue" interesting connections.
A rep for the L.A. County Sheriff's Department tells us, the department doesn't comment on pending cases.
He needs kiwi :icon_lol: Pending case from his previous complaint? idk :suspect:
What if.... he dies....but not really, then bam? hmmm ...bizarro
OMG, this can't be real. :thjajaja121: :thjajaja121:
Change underwear once a week? Somebody call amnesty international!!
Words in caps besides TMZ: DIE, PRISON, WEEK. I guess Murray's gonna die in prison on Michael's hoax anniversary... :icon_lol: :icon_lol:
Murray's lawyer tells TMZ, he wants to serve out his time in the big house because he's being treated like filth in L.A. County jail -- getting fresh air once a month, and fresh underwear once a WEEK.
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In that prison there is conjugal visits? That will tell Nicole Alvarez of that?
Not without a change of underwear Paula. (http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x365/jaykay959/boohoo.gif)
HIStory, was released for worldwide sale on June 18th, 1995.
POP VIEW; Michael Jackson Is Angry, Understand?
By JON PARELES
Published: June 18, 1995
MICHAEL JACKSON IS BACK, AND HE'S furious. On his new double album, "HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I," his rage keeps ripping through the sweet, uplifting facade he has clung to throughout his career.
He's not pretending to be normal any more. In his new songs, he is paranoid and cagey, messianic and petty, vindictive and maudlin. Comparing himself to John F. Kennedy and Jesus Christ, he's a megalomaniac who feels like a victim. Yet he remains one of the most gifted musicians alive. And somehow, with the strange synchronicity of pop culture's longtime survivors, his private distress may have put him back in touch with a public mood: there are a lot of aggrieved, belligerent people who feel just as victimized as he does.
It has been a long time since Michael Jackson was simply a performer. He's the main asset of his own corporation, which is a profitable subsidiary of Sony. Sony executives have said that they hope to sell 20 million copies of "HIStory," which retails for $32.98 for the CDs ($23.98 for the cassettes). They're going to spend $30 million to do it.
Michael was seen leaving Dr Kleins office on this day June 18th June 2009..!!!
Just making connections to this latest article posted today, and in the past, TMZ seem to stick to numerology as well..Cheers
lmfao :thjajaja121:In that prison there is conjugal visits? That will tell Nicole Alvarez of that?Not without a change of underwear Paula. (http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x365/jaykay959/boohoo.gif)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/murrayvev.jpg)Uh....first thing I can think of now (call me crazy):lmfao :thjajaja121: we really did post similar stuff at almost the same time :icon_lol: :icon_lol:
Maybe the good doctor should eat more KIWI! :affraid:
Kiwifruit provides you with almost all important sort of vitamins required for your body.
--> helps to reduce deficiency symptoms (like gnarly hair, nails, skin)!
And (as MJonmind already stated in the Back and Front thread):
According to researchers at the University of Oslo , it is suggested that, consuming 2-3 kiwifruit daily for one month can significantly reduce platelet aggregation and blood triglyceride levels (similar to what Aspirin does), thus reducing the risk of blood clots, but without any side-effects and in very natural way
--> Will help to avoid or soothe headache!
So....not monkey needs more kiwi but Murray needs more kiwi :icon_lol: :animal0017:
This kind of TMZ news make me doubt more and more that Murray ever was in jail! lol I think it's all a farse. Nobody saw this guy filmed or photographed in jail! we only saw TMZ pics! loll
This article is in the same line as the diarrhea article ...and then again we had a TMZ-photoshopped pic with Murray on the "throne" !! Maybe Front's pic was hinting more at that kind of a "throne"?? just like few days ago he kept saying that Monkey (Murray) needs kiwi! lmfao !! Probably he needs lemons to wash away his indigestion! :thjajaja121:
HIStory, was released for worldwide sale on June 18th, 1995.
POP VIEW; Michael Jackson Is Angry, Understand?
By JON PARELES
Published: June 18, 1995
MICHAEL JACKSON IS BACK, AND HE'S furious. On his new double album, "HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I," his rage keeps ripping through the sweet, uplifting facade he has clung to throughout his career.
He's not pretending to be normal any more. In his new songs, he is paranoid and cagey, messianic and petty, vindictive and maudlin. Comparing himself to John F. Kennedy and Jesus Christ, he's a megalomaniac who feels like a victim. Yet he remains one of the most gifted musicians alive. And somehow, with the strange synchronicity of pop culture's longtime survivors, his private distress may have put him back in touch with a public mood: there are a lot of aggrieved, belligerent people who feel just as victimized as he does.
It has been a long time since Michael Jackson was simply a performer. He's the main asset of his own corporation, which is a profitable subsidiary of Sony. Sony executives have said that they hope to sell 20 million copies of "HIStory," which retails for $32.98 for the CDs ($23.98 for the cassettes). They're going to spend $30 million to do it.
Michael was seen leaving Dr Kleins office on this day June 18th June 2009..!!!
Just making connections to this latest article posted today, and in the past, TMZ seem to stick to numerology as well..Cheers
yep I just love that number 18 coming up all the time from everywhere ... :icon_e_wink:MJ & ELVIS ~ Numerology clues (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=20301.0)
(http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/2706/mjelvisarealive02.jpg)lmfao :thjajaja121:In that prison there is conjugal visits? That will tell Nicole Alvarez of that?Not without a change of underwear Paula. (http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x365/jaykay959/boohoo.gif)
but hey who needs underwear anyway during a conjugal visit? :icon_geek: :affraid: :icon_geek: :icon_geek: :thjajaja121:
ohh Jeezzz... I guess we all needed a good laugh! Thank you TMZ!! you guys are the BEST! :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol:
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2. whoa, you just got ripped...
Michael Jackson's Underwear Up For SaleMichael Jackson's Underwear Up For Sale - Michael Jackson (http://www.hollyscoop.com/michael-jackson/michael-jacksons-underwear-up-for-sale.html)
September 9, 2008 by: HOLLYSCOOP TEAM
Share Email File this one under 'gross.' A pair of unwashed underwear that once belonged to Michael Jackson is going up for sale on eBay with a reserve price of $1 million.
New Jersey businessman Henry Vacarro obtained the white size 28 Calvin Klein briefs in a bankruptcy case and boy do these tighty whities have a past!
This specific pair of undies were part of the evidence confiscated in 2003 by former DA Tom Sneddon, who wanted a DNA sample for his child-molestation case against Jackson. They even come in an evidence bag and wrapped with police tape!
If you have an extra million to spend on someone else's used underwear, look for the undies on eBay tomorrow.
Mr Skinky pants.:thjajaja121:
Not only do I have the song stayin alive in my head, I now have conrad murray in my head dancing to it, Maybe he should dance for his fresh underwear? :penguin:
Seriously though if it's true, I do feel sorry for him, he should be at least given his fresh underwear at least twice a week.
Not only do I have the song stayin alive in my head, I now have conrad murray in my head dancing to it, Maybe he should dance for his fresh underwear? :penguin:
Seriously though if it's true, I do feel sorry for him, he should be at least given his fresh underwear at least twice a week.
I'm still trying to figure out - did you make this comment because of Paris' tweet or was it the other way around?
When I saw the article I can't help but think it has something to do with the 2005 allegations, again.
Blessings
Paris Jackson Twitter @ParisJackson (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=18330.msg410386#msg410386)
yes, that capitals seem to have some meaning, probably. So should we look forward to June, 25-th? something interesting is maybe going to happen. 6 days left..Words in caps besides TMZ: DIE, PRISON, WEEK. I guess Murray's gonna die in prison on Michael's hoax anniversary... :icon_lol: :icon_lol:
I thought of that also!
Thriller time..... :affraid:
:LolLolLolLol:
Words in caps besides TMZ: DIE, PRISON, WEEK. I guess Murray's gonna die in prison on Michael's hoax anniversary... :icon_lol: :icon_lol:
"doctor suspects his moldy cell is making him sick"
it seems that he has hard times there...or not. this article is just too unbelievable to be real.. :icon_cool:
:LolLolLolLol: thank you for good laugh Wishy! :icon_razz:"doctor suspects his moldy cell is making him sick"
it seems that he has hard times there...or not. this article is just too unbelievable to be real.. :icon_cool:
Sounds like Front sent him a cake, lol.........
:LolLolLolLol: thank you for good laugh Wishy! :icon_razz:"doctor suspects his moldy cell is making him sick"
it seems that he has hard times there...or not. this article is just too unbelievable to be real.. :icon_cool:
Sounds like Front sent him a cake, lol.........
that gematria stuff is very interesting! thank you! :beerchug:
"Roof time" on Mondays?
Well I hope he´ll not be permitted to go next Monday and accidentally fall off the roof. :affraid:
Off the wall, so to speak. :icon_lol:
"doctor suspects his moldy cell is making him sick"
it seems that he has hard times there...or not. this article is just too unbelievable to be real.. :icon_cool:
La Toya Jackson@latoyajackson
GM Guys! ThankU so much 4 the Get Well Wishes! Its so nice 2know that Ucare! It worked! Spreading love is contagious! Let's B contagious
Did not Evan Chandler suffer from a brain tumor?
Wonder if Latoya's twitter and the U has anything to do with the missing u from mouldy?QuoteLa Toya Jackson@latoyajackson
GM Guys! ThankU so much 4 the Get Well Wishes! Its so nice 2know that Ucare! It worked! Spreading love is contagious! Let's B contagious
¿Por qué la cama triste estar en la cárcel del condado? ?
Why would the grim sleeper be in county jail?????
Words in caps besides TMZ: DIE, PRISON, WEEK. I guess Murray's gonna die in prison on Michael's hoax anniversary... :icon_lol: :icon_lol:
Why would the grim sleeper be in county jail?????
I asked this of a friend recently.....exactly right, he wouldn't I don't think. A "county" jail is reserved for prisoners with a short term sentence, waiting to be tried type of thing....not a convicted charge manslaughter and 4 years.
Men's Central Jail (http://www.lasdhq.org/divisions/custody/mcj/index.html)
LASD Inmate Information Center - Inmate Search (http://app4.lasd.org/iic/ajis_search.cfm)
Follow the link to booking details, it won't copy for me. But, you can see he's listed in the men's jail....or some "conrad murray" is, lol.
It's interesting to read about the jail.....the "about" is interesting as is the "inmate services"........
Blessings
Why would the grim sleeper be in county jail?????
I asked this of a friend recently.....exactly right, he wouldn't I don't think. A "county" jail is reserved for prisoners with a short term sentence, waiting to be tried type of thing....not a convicted charge manslaughter and 4 years.
Men's Central Jail (http://www.lasdhq.org/divisions/custody/mcj/index.html)
LASD Inmate Information Center - Inmate Search (http://app4.lasd.org/iic/ajis_search.cfm)
Follow the link to booking details, it won't copy for me. But, you can see he's listed in the men's jail....or some "conrad murray" is, lol.
It's interesting to read about the jail.....the "about" is interesting as is the "inmate services"........
Blessings
Wonder if Latoya's twitter and the U has anything to do with the missing u from mouldy?QuoteLa Toya Jackson@latoyajackson
GM Guys! ThankU so much 4 the Get Well Wishes! Its so nice 2know that Ucare! It worked! Spreading love is contagious! Let's B contagious
LaToya had a stomach flu.
you are right Blankie :icon_razz: it is always good to look forward to something, to be surprised by something! :icon_bounce:Words in caps besides TMZ: DIE, PRISON, WEEK. I guess Murray's gonna die in prison on Michael's hoax anniversary... :icon_lol: :icon_lol:
:icon_e_surprised: :icon_e_surprised: :smiley-vault-misc-150: by Michael we can expect everything....
Frank Cascio in his book says that the security chief named Michael JOKER, because he always combining jokes to all......:icon_bounce:....
.....therefore...... :icon_razz: :icon_bounce: everything can be !!! :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce:
TMZ
Dr. Conrad Murray is pulling a Floyd Mayweather Jr. -- pleading with a judge to spring him from L.A. County Jail because it's taking an extreme physical toll on his body ... and if he doesn't get help soon, Murray believes he'll DIE behind bars.
June 14, 2012
Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s lawyer asking for jail alteration
Attorneys argued the undefeated champ was getting out of shape in solitary confinement and might never fight again
The Associated Press via USA Today
LAS VEGAS — A judge said she would decide this week whether to ease jail conditions for Floyd Mayweather Jr. after his attorneys argued the undefeated champ was getting out of shape in solitary confinement and might never fight again.
Las Vegas Justice of the Peace Melissa Saragosa made no ruling Tuesday on an emergency motion asking the court to move Mayweather into the general jail population — something that jail officials had avoided out of fear for the celebrity's safety — or put him in house arrest for the rest of his sentence.
Mayweather attorney Richard Wright said he would be willing to have the boxer serve the sentence in an apartment or a site less luxurious than Mayweather's posh Vegas-area home.
"I'm not looking for special treatment for Floyd Mayweather," Wright said. "I'm looking for fair treatment."
But prosecutor Lisa Luzaich said softening the sentence would be another accommodation, similar to when Mayweather's jail surrender date was postponed for months after sentencing so he could fight Miguel Cotto in May.
"They keep chipping away, chipping away, chipping away," Luzaich said.
Mayweather pleaded guilty in December to misdemeanor domestic battery and no contest to two harassment charges that stemmed from an attack on his ex-girlfriend while two of their children watched. He was sentenced to three months and entered jail June 1.
Mayweather's jail stay will be capped at 87 days because the judge gave him credit for three days previously served. It could be reduced by several weeks for good behavior.
In the motion, first reported by the Las Vegas Review-Journal, lawyers said Mayweather's personal physician, Robert Voy, visited the jail Friday and was concerned that the 35-year-old fighter appeared to have lost muscle tone.
Voy estimated the boxer was consuming fewer than 800 calories a day — a drop from his usual 3,000 or 4,000 calories — and wasn't drinking enough because he isn't allowed bottled water and doesn't usually drink tap water.
Mayweather has been getting about 30 minutes twice a day in a couple of barren recreation areas in the administrative segregation unit. His cell, no larger than 7-by-12 feet, has barely enough space for push-ups and sit-ups.
But prosecutors argued he's "deconditioning" by choice and declining much of his food. "He has the ability to exercise, he just chooses not to," Luzaich said. "It's jail. Where did he think he was going? The Four Seasons?"
Voy and Wright also pointed to Mayweather's declining emotional state.
"I am concerned about Floyd withdrawing, developing anger he cannot dissipate through the usual means of dedicated exercise and training," Voy wrote in an affidavit.
Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s lawyer asking for jail alteration (http://www.correctionsone.com/treatment/articles/5728300-Floyd-Mayweather-Jr-s-lawyer-asking-for-jail-alteration/)
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/426942-latest-in-string-of-lawsuits-against-floyd-mayweather-jr-bared (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/426942-latest-in-string-of-lawsuits-against-floyd-mayweather-jr-bared)
CNN
Murray told his lawyer even the “Grim Sleeper” suspect, who is charged with killing 10 women over a 22-year period, was allowed on the roof last Monday while Murray was not, Wass said.
LAPD detectives and District Attorney Steve Cooley may be sure they have their guy, but the trial of suspected L.A.Grim Sleeper serial killer Lonnie Franklin, Jr. -- who is accused of killing over 10 black women over three decades, many of them prostitues, and was recently linked to eight more missing persons -- is moving slow as molasses through what victims' families see as the perhaps too thorough Superior Court system.
(http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/assets_c/2010/07/franklin4-thumb-180x197.jpg)
Grim Sleeper Serial-Killer Trial Delayed Until August, Because 'Everyone Gets Due Process' - Los Angeles News - The Informer (http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2011/06/grim_sleeper_serial_killer_trial_delayed.php)
Prosecutors to seek death in ‘Grim Sleeper’ trial
By The Associated Press Wednesday, June 20, 2012
LOS ANGELES — Prosecutors said Monday they will seek the death penalty against a man accused of the “Grim Sleeper” serial killings of prostitutes and other women who were shot, strangled or both over several decades in Los Angeles.
The announcement came as capital punishment is coming under increasing fire in California for lengthy delays in executions and for the expenses involved in winning cases, fighting appeals and keeping inmates on death row.
Deputy District Attorney Beth Silverman told a court her office will ask a jury for the state’s harshest sentence if 58-year-old Lonnie Franklin Jr. is convicted.
Franklin has pleaded not guilty to the murders of 10 women and one count of attempted murder.
Most of the victims linked to the “Grim Sleeper” were found in alleyways within a few miles of Franklin’s home south of downtown Los Angeles. Those victims were killed after some kind of sexual contact.
The killings got their name because of a long gap between some of the deaths, which began in the 1980s and extended into the 2000s.
Franklin, a mechanic, was arrested in July 2010 and indicted.
Police have also been investigating him in connection with other murders.
Prosecutors were granted the right to take a voice sample from Franklin. Outside court, they said they want to compare it to the voice heard on two 911 calls.
Detective Dennis Kilcoyne spoke to a group of relatives of victims at the courthouse and said the death penalty is “almost a non-issue” in California because it takes so long for convicts to be executed.
“In 20 to 25 years, when it comes up, many of us won’t be on this planet anymore,” he said.
Last month, a state Senate bill that seeks to abolish California’s death penalty advanced after its first legislative hearing in the Assembly. Now awaiting action in a committee, the bill would put the question before voters in 2012 if it is passed.
A recent study by a federal appellate judge and a university law professor found California taxpayers spend $184 million annually to try death penalty cases, defend the state through appeals and incarcerate condemned inmates. Most of the 714 condemned inmates on the nation’s most populous death row are more likely to die of old age than lethal injection, the study found.
The researchers calculated that capital punishment has cost California $4 billion since it was reinstated 34 years ago, yet just 13 inmates have been executed — none in the past five years.
Prosecutors to seek death in ‘Grim Sleeper’ trial | Daily Republic (http://www.dailyrepublic.com/usworld/prosecutors-to-seek-death-in-grim-sleeper-trial/)
So now he's playing a word of the day game with other inmates?? I thought he was supposed to be kept away from other inmates :suspect: Did that change? Maybe I missed something :animal0017:
Dr. Conrad Murray is currently being held in the medical ward at the L.A. County Men's Central Jail -- but it's NOT because there's anything wrong with him ... TMZ has learned.Conrad Murray -- Extra Protection at the Jail Medical Ward | TMZ.com (http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/08/conrad-murray-suicide-watch-medical-ward/)
Law enforcement tells us ... Murray has been assigned to the medical ward while he's being processed -- as opposed to the regular holding area.
We're told the medical ward has a "higher density of deputies" -- which means it's easier for officers to keep an eye on a high profile prisoner like Murray when he's in the M.W.
As we previously reported, Murray has been deemed a "keep away prisoner" -- which means officials must keep an eye on the doc at all times, as a matter of his own protection.
There are several reports that Murray is on suicide watch -- but officials at the jail tell us those reports are incorrect.
"I may not make it out of here alive. This is a very dangerous place. I'm in here dying. The system is intent on killing me."
"The moral arc of the universe is long, but it bends toward justice."
Continuing the Fight for Civil Rights and Prisoners' Rightshttp://www.aclu.org/blog/racial-justice-criminal-law-reform/continuing-fight-civil-rights-and-prisoners-rights
By David Fathi, National Prison Project at 3:46pm
In the United States, the freedom struggle of Black people and the struggle for prisoners' rights have long been intertwined. After the abolition of slavery, incarceration combined with forced labor was used as a means of continued control of the newly freed Black population in the southern states, re-creating the brutal exploitation that had purportedly been abolished by the 13th Amendment. Prisoners were leased out to work for private employers; conditions were horrific and death rates shockingly high. Sometimes characterized as "worse than slavery," the convict lease system persisted into the 20th century, and ending it was a priority for the NAACP and other civil rights organizations.
David Fathi is the Director of the American Civil Liberties Union National Prison Project, which brings challenges to conditions of confinement in prisons, jails, and other detention facilities and works to end US overreliance on incarceration. From 2007 to 2010 he was Director of the US Program at Human Rights Watch, which works to defend the rights of particularly vulnerable groups in the United States.
In September 1971, at Attica Correctional Facility in New York, hundreds of prisoners rebelled and occupied the prison, demanding an end to abusive and inhumane conditions. Although Black, Latino, and white prisoners participated in the uprising, it was sparked in part by rampant racial discrimination and race-based abuse of Black prisoners. The Attica rebellion was crushed by police, killing 39 people, but the modern prisoners' rights movement was born, and the following year, the ACLU established the National Prison Project to lead its work in this area.
Much has been accomplished in the intervening 40 years. Overt racial segregation in prisons and jails, once routine, has now largely been eradicated. But no victory ever stays won. In 1995, Garrison Johnson, a Black prisoner in California, sued to challenge a policy of racial segregation in the state's prisons. When the case reached the Supreme Court, the state actually defended its policy, arguing that it had to maintain racial segregation as a security measure, and that the Court should defer to its decision to do so. Fortunately the Court rejected this invitation to return to the bad old days of Jim Crow, and ruled that classifying prisoners by race is permissible only if the state can show that doing so is "narrowly tailored to serve a compelling state interest" – a showing no state has been able to make.
Today a major focus of the National Prison Project's work is reversing the misguided policies that have given the United States the largest prison population in the world, both per capita and in absolute numbers. We continue to fight for safe, humane, and decent conditions for the 2.3 million people behind bars. And we are challenging new forms of discrimination, like the Alabama policy that segregates prisoners living with HIV, requires them to wear armbands advertising their HIV status, and bars them from prison jobs, work release, and other important rehabilitative programs.
As we celebrate Black History Month 2012, there is cause for optimism and hope. After nearly 40 years of relentless growth, the U.S. prison population actually declined last year. And while the burden of mass incarceration still falls with crushing disproportionality on Black people, their rate of incarceration has decreased for the last two years.
Martin Luther King Jr. taught us that "the moral arc of the universe is long, but it bends toward justice." That's true in the struggle for civil rights, and equally true in the struggle for prisoners' rights.
"doctor suspects his moldy cell is making him sick"
it seems that he has hard times there...or not. this article is just too unbelievable to be real.. :icon_cool:
Rather a MoUldy cell than a MoUldy cake, at least the cell can't cause anything explosive.
Wonder if Latoya's twitter and the U has anything to do with the missing u from mouldy?
awww no emoticon with a magnifying glass :PQuoteLa Toya Jackson@latoyajackson
GM Guys! ThankU so much 4 the Get Well Wishes! Its so nice 2know that Ucare! It worked! Spreading love is contagious! Let's B contagious
leilani....moldy is not spelled with a u in the US. Also...to answer your question as to why people use "u" for the word "you". It's because of texting. It's actually forming really bad habits. I had a student that constantly wrote "u" instead of "you" this school year. I of course made her change it each time she wrote it that way."doctor suspects his moldy cell is making him sick"
it seems that he has hard times there...or not. this article is just too unbelievable to be real.. :icon_cool:
Rather a MoUldy cell than a MoUldy cake, at least the cell can't cause anything explosive.
Wonder if Latoya's twitter and the U has anything to do with the missing u from mouldy?
awww no emoticon with a magnifying glass :PQuoteLa Toya Jackson@latoyajackson
GM Guys! ThankU so much 4 the Get Well Wishes! Its so nice 2know that Ucare! It worked! Spreading love is contagious! Let's B contagious
Thank you for the time in giving me this great explanation.
In the dictionary (american one) I searched for mouldy to make sure and it did indeed some up with a U included so that's where i thought it was spelt wrong, also comes up underlined when copied.
About Latoya's tweet, I understand the common use of the letter U as a shortened way when reducing characters being used but I was confused about the Stomach flu and the U, I think I misunderstood that being a reference to the U, I just thought the U looked out of place in her recent tweets, but after seeing the Captial letter pattern in earlier tweets, I realised she used Captials when she was shortening her words to the one character I noticed she did it with B U R N and haven't found anymore so I think I just mis placed the connection it was nothing but a conincidence.
And also about Mouldy, ooops. well It was interesting at the time to think it was something which is the fun part
Quote6/18/2012 12:55 AM PDT BY TMZ STAFFhttp://www.tmz.com/2012/06/18/dr-conrad-murray-jail-dying-prison/#comments-fullwrapper (http://www.tmz.com/2012/06/18/dr-conrad-murray-jail-dying-prison/#comments-fullwrapper)
DR. CONRAD MURRAY
Help, I'm Dying in Jail!!!
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Dr. Conrad Murray is pulling a Floyd Mayweather Jr. -- pleading with a judge to spring him from L.A. County Jail because it's taking an extreme physical toll on his body ... and if he doesn't get help soon, Murray believes he'll DIE behind bars.
But here's the crazy thing -- unlike Mayweather, Murray's not asking for house arrest (he knows that will never happen) ... Murray's asking to be sent to PRISON, where he believes he'll get better care.
Murray's lawyer tells TMZ, he wants to serve out his time in the big house because he's being treated like filth in L.A. County jail -- getting fresh air once a month, and fresh underwear once a WEEK.
As a result of the alleged deprivation, we're told Murray's health is failing -- his hair, nails, and skin are gnarly ... and he's been suffering from a constant headache over the last few weeks.
Murray says he's never gotten headaches in the past -- and is worried it might be a brain tumor.
We're told Murray asked to see a doctor, but got shuffled around and has received no medical attention.
Murray told his attorney, Valerie Wass, "I may not make it out of here alive. This is a very dangerous place. I'm in here dying. The system is intent on killing me."
A rep for the L.A. County Sheriff's Department tells us, the department doesn't comment on pending cases.
Thanks for clearing that up. I guess I never payed attention to the "while he's being processed" part.So now he's playing a word of the day game with other inmates?? I thought he was supposed to be kept away from other inmates :suspect: Did that change? Maybe I missed something :animal0017:
Yes it did change, because in November he was a "keep away prisoner" in the medical ward. Probably only while he was being processed.QuoteDr. Conrad Murray is currently being held in the medical ward at the L.A. County Men's Central Jail -- but it's NOT because there's anything wrong with him ... TMZ has learned.Conrad Murray -- Extra Protection at the Jail Medical Ward | TMZ.com (http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/08/conrad-murray-suicide-watch-medical-ward/)
Law enforcement tells us ... Murray has been assigned to the medical ward while he's being processed -- as opposed to the regular holding area.
We're told the medical ward has a "higher density of deputies" -- which means it's easier for officers to keep an eye on a high profile prisoner like Murray when he's in the M.W.
As we previously reported, Murray has been deemed a "keep away prisoner" -- which means officials must keep an eye on the doc at all times, as a matter of his own protection.
There are several reports that Murray is on suicide watch -- but officials at the jail tell us those reports are incorrect.
Today a major focus of the National Prison Project's work is reversing the misguided policies that have given the United States the largest prison population in the world, both per capita and in absolute numbers. We continue to fight for safe, humane, and decent conditions for the 2.3 million people behind bars. And we are challenging new forms of discrimination, like the Alabama policy that segregates prisoners living with HIV, requires them to wear armbands advertising their HIV status, and bars them from prison jobs, work release, and other important rehabilitative programs.
As we celebrate Black History Month 2012, there is cause for optimism and hope. After nearly 40 years of relentless growth, the U.S. prison population actually declined last year. And while the burden of mass incarceration still falls with crushing disproportionality on Black people, their rate of incarceration has decreased for the last two years.
Martin Luther King Jr. taught us that "the moral arc of the universe is long, but it bends toward justice." That's true in the struggle for civil rights, and equally true in the struggle for prisoners' rights.
Continuing the Fight for Civil Rights and Prisoners' Rights (http://www.aclu.org/blog/racial-justice-criminal-law-reform/continuing-fight-civil-rights-and-prisoners-rights)
For American prisoners, huge numbers of whom are serving sentences much longer than those given for similar crimes anywhere else in the civilized world—Texas alone has sentenced more than four hundred teen-agers to life imprisonment—time becomes in every sense this thing you serve.
For most privileged, professional people, the experience of confinement is a mere brush, encountered after a kid’s arrest, say. For a great many poor people in America, particularly poor black men, prison is a destination that braids through an ordinary life, much as high school and college do for rich white ones. More than half of all black men without a high-school diploma go to prison at some time in their lives. Mass incarceration on a scale almost unexampled in human history is a fundamental fact of our country today—perhaps the fundamental fact, as slavery was the fundamental fact of 1850. In truth, there are more black men in the grip of the criminal-justice system—in prison, on probation, or on parole—than were in slavery then. Over all, there are now more people under “correctional supervision” in America—more than six million—than were in the Gulag Archipelago under Stalin at its height. That city of the confined and the controlled, Lockuptown, is now the second largest in the United States…
The accelerating rate of incarceration over the past few decades is just as startling as the number of people jailed: in 1980, there were about two hundred and twenty people incarcerated for every hundred thousand Americans; by 2010, the number had more than tripled, to seven hundred and thirty-one. No other country even approaches that. In the past two decades, the money that states spend on prisons has risen at six times the rate of spending on higher education…
Prison rape is so endemic—more than seventy thousand prisoners are raped each year—that it is routinely held out as a threat, part of the punishment to be expected.
Mass Incarceration and Criminal Justice in America : The New Yorker (http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/atlarge/2012/01/30/120130crat_atlarge_gopnik)
Since 1980, California has developed a bloated prison population for two key reasons. First, the state's punitive sentencing policies such as "three strikes and you're out" have produced such bizarre outcomes as an offender serving 25 years to life for stealing three golf clubs. And second, California leads the nation in sending offenders back to prison for violations of parole, many for technical reasons, such as failing a drug test, rather than a new crime.
The court's ruling will not result in the release of any offender who represents an immediate threat to public safety. But because 95% of inmates will eventually be released from prison, the key issue centers on use of resources. That is, should the state continue to spend $48,000 a year to imprison a low-level drug offender or provide treatment in the community at far less cost?
Public safety requires that we focus on how best to integrate offenders as they return home. This means assistance in securing work, housing and a positive peer group.
Likewise, state officials need to develop alternative measures to respond to offenders who violate the conditions of their parole. In recent years, the states of Kansas and Michigan successfully reduced the number of people sent back to prison by enhancing services and supervision in the community. Targeted drug testing and drug treatment, as well as expanded job placement services, can effectively limit prison populations and reduce recidivism.
Will some of the inmates released from California prisons re-offend upon their release? Of course. But that's already the case despite massive amounts of money spent on incarceration. The challenge now — and the opportunity — is to shift resources to produce better public safety outcomes for all.
The billions of tax dollars that can be saved by reducing prison populations can be better targeted for public safety by equipping released offenders with the tools and connections they need to lead productive lives in their communities.
Opposing view: Reduce prison populations - USATODAY.com (http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2011-05-24-Reduce-prison-populations_n.htm)
Wow.Yes, it's an interesting story, but I agree there's no way the higher level needed to inform the lower ones of that shocking stuff. Just promote gangsta rap. Then perhaps certain individuals that are seen as eager promoters could be told more slowly in trust.
Two things, one I could see this happening, it sure seems to make sense. The other, I can't see a meeting happening like this. Hearing that is shocking and why would anyone even need to mention this private prison conspiracy to these lowly music industry execs? All they would need to be told is Hi, we want you to promote Gangster Rap music. It's the next big thing and we really want you to focus on it and sell it, and it would be done. Music industry execs like the person who wrote this letter do what they're paid to do and if they get paid to promote Gangster Rap, they promote Gangster Rap. No reason WHY needs to be given and especially not as shocking and confidential that reason is... it makes me question the validity of the whole story.
Even though it sure seems that's exactly the motive behind the music, fill the prisons in America with young black and latino men. Make it "cool" to be a criminal, get them in the system, and teach them to be career criminals while you're at it.
I don't think the trial was real either. I believe it was a stage production. Hoax court.
staged with Mr.Pumpkin :icon_razz:I don't think the trial was real either. I believe it was a stage production. Hoax court.
yep. exactly what i think it was. and i'm sticking to it. :judge-smiley:
Sometimes I feel like a different species. How depressing.:-\
i know this is going off topic, but no word of a lie 6 years ago i was booked in sydney australia for 'eating an apple whilst driving':icon_lol: Then what would that officer have done with Mr. Bean here at 3:30?
i did take the opportunity to ask the officer if he was struggling to meet his KPI's. (key performance indicator, performance measuring) He commented that eating whist at the wheel was illegal.
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err....
thank you MJonmind for the "inspirative" video, but better do not try it :icon_lol:i know this is going off topic, but no word of a lie 6 years ago i was booked in sydney australia for 'eating an apple whilst driving'
i did take the opportunity to ask the officer if he was struggling to meet his KPI's. (key performance indicator, performance measuring) He commented that eating whist at the wheel was illegal.
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err....
:icon_lol: Then what would that officer have done with Mr. Bean here at 3:30?
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Okay (slaps face) back to Murray in jail (not). :)
Wow.Yes, it's an interesting story, but I agree there's no way the higher level needed to inform the lower ones of that shocking stuff. Just promote gangsta rap. Then perhaps certain individuals that are seen as eager promoters could be told more slowly in trust.
Two things, one I could see this happening, it sure seems to make sense. The other, I can't see a meeting happening like this. Hearing that is shocking and why would anyone even need to mention this private prison conspiracy to these lowly music industry execs? All they would need to be told is Hi, we want you to promote Gangster Rap music. It's the next big thing and we really want you to focus on it and sell it, and it would be done. Music industry execs like the person who wrote this letter do what they're paid to do and if they get paid to promote Gangster Rap, they promote Gangster Rap. No reason WHY needs to be given and especially not as shocking and confidential that reason is... it makes me question the validity of the whole story.
Even though it sure seems that's exactly the motive behind the music, fill the prisons in America with young black and latino men. Make it "cool" to be a criminal, get them in the system, and teach them to be career criminals while you're at it.
In the past I've heard Christians say that rap is promoted by the satanic music industry to lower morality and turn people away from God. Certainly I've not heard anything about filling up prisons with black men, for making profit. This reminds me of what I read about kiwis, that New Zealand had the highest incarceration rate in the world for marijuana usage. There's something so strange about police expending so much time and energy on the war on drugs, throwing millions in prison, making them criminals. In a smaller way it reminds me of in my own city, the traffic light cameras weren't making enough money for the city, so now police sit in various places and will nab people giving them tickets to fulfill their quota of having to make a certain amount of money a day/week for the city. We call it another tax on the people.
I don't think the trial was real either. I believe it was a stage production. Hoax court.
staged with Mr.Pumpkin :icon_razz:I don't think the trial was real either. I believe it was a stage production. Hoax court.
yep. exactly what i think it was. and i'm sticking to it. :judge-smiley:
what about planning trial in September? do you think it will happen?
the WHOLE thing in its entirety is a stage production. not just the death. all of it combined.
cant wait til the movie comes out :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:!!!
the WHOLE thing in its entirety is a stage production. not just the death. all of it combined.
cant wait til the movie comes out :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:!!!
I'm not so sure there's gonna be a movie - I think we could well be LIVING it right now, in a once only, never to be repeated real-time production. But what do I know?!
Agree, best movie EVER!
@ bec - btw. "movie convert" - settled. (you'll recall you and i discussed this a few months ago) its the 'why' i am still seeking assurance on... but feel most comfortable with movie theory (at present)
@ curls. yepper - fake conrad, has his fake, undies changed in his fake jail, whilst serving a fake sentance after his fake trial...
meanwhile, speaking of movies quickly before we get back to murry / fake jail. imagine, if there were a movie released but it was the reverse. we were the stars not MJ. MJ was the director. and its not about the hoax hows, whys, who's, when's, but its about a group of people (the world) who believed thei own untrue reality based on false perception of events and based on lies from feeders (media)... and MJ plays it back to us and we (the world) watch ourselves blindly follow and not question and ultimately are duped into adopting an untruth. :affraid:
ok.. i'm getting way too carried away with this. its saturday night and time to get ready to go out. see ya on the flip side! peace out :icon_mrgreen:
im not 100% sure on it either? its was kind of off the cuff. my imagination and heart says there will be a movie. i'd love to see the hoax end like that. but my head thinks, hmmm... not sure about a movie.
but entertain me, imagine though what a movie would accomplish? "mj, explaining the why. the when it started. who helped. "how we did this and how we did that. and while we were saying and doing that, this is what you (media and public) percieved and this is what the world concluded based on our stunts"
it would be such an amazing lesson to all to QUESTION everything.
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why leave clues and why create this magnificent piece of work (the hoax) if its all not coming to some amazing crusendo??
im not 100% sure on it either? its was kind of off the cuff. my imagination and heart says there will be a movie. i'd love to see the hoax end like that. but my head thinks, hmmm... not sure about a movie.
but entertain me, imagine though what a movie would accomplish? "mj, explaining the why. the when it started. who helped. "how we did this and how we did that. and while we were saying and doing that, this is what you (media and public) percieved and this is what the world concluded based on our stunts"
it would be such an amazing lesson to all to QUESTION everything.
but then again an illusionist never reveals their methods... so it may never happen.
i just WANT michael to be completely vindicated. i WANT the world to know that they were wrong about him. i WANT the world to know how amazing, talanted and innovative he is. i WANT the haters to have egg on their faces. i WANT people to point fingers and say "you cant do that" and i WANT michael to say "i can and i did and here i am"
i WANT fulfilment of "In one blink I’ll disappear, and then I’ll come back to haunt you"
i WANT this hoax to end properly, and the hype to not just dwindle out because believers are tired. i WANT and i hope with all my heart, that a bam, if it happens isnt just a sighting, i hope to god its an explanation.
i think THAT will shock the world more than a sighting or a statement...
why leave clues and why create this magnificent piece of work (the hoax) if its all not coming to some amazing crusendo??
maybe i WANT to much..
#perplexed.... :Pulling_hair:
i want michaels name vindicated more than i want to wave it in peoples faces about me being right about hoax. i want revenge on the media and them to be laughed at. i want them to be the subject of riddicule, not michael.
but agree with you, 'being right' amonst non believers, family and friends would be icing on the cake!
with love
he was also not licenced to practice O/S so had no intention of being MJs physician in London and in addition to this at Carolwood only acted as MJs Physician for less than two weeks.
have a read of some of the old threads, the points you bring up have been discussed thoroughly, and in fact there are entire threads dedicated to CM investigation, you might enjoy them
start off my going to community and scroll down until you see the board that you want.
actually chicana, my last post doesnt suggest that you abandon your opinion.
in fact the comments i made could support the theory that CM is not a doctor but in fact an actor. he has also been spotted as an exrta in the past. there are other things that suggest that he is only playing a role as CM / MJs Physician. You will find this information in the CM board.
the reason i suggested that you check out the CM boards, is various theories, including similar to the one you posted have been discussed at length previously. you might really enjoy reading through those threads.
you might also find that because of the multiple lengthy discussions have already been had on the forum about CM and whether or not he is really a doctor, the subject may not be picked up again or commented on in a lengthy manner so that there isnt a repitition of already discussed theories. so reviewing the CM board might be good so you can read what everyone commented and see other evidences regarding the CM theory you just posed.
hope this clears up what i was trying to suggest to you.
oh cool. no worries. i misunderstood, as i thought you were doing thorough investigation of hoax.
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