Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => Understanding His Music & (Short) Films => Michael's Life & Clues He Left Us => Leaked & Unreleased Tracks => Topic started by: Sweetangel on June 03, 2012, 01:50:13 PM
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Hello everyone,
Don't be messin around is all over the Internet.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmNKw5piU78[/youtube]
I have only one Problem no matter how hard I try I can't figure out the Lyrics and I have no clue what
"Don't be messin' around" means. :icon_lol:
Much Peace and Love to everyone.
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The beginning reminds me a little like Front M's hoax mix snippet. :icon_mrgreen: Wait... now listening to it again, definite similar beat going on. :Michael_Jackson_smiley_by_red
Found these lyrics:
Are You Ready For A Real Good Time, My Love
Are You Ready For A Real Good Treat
There'll Be So Much Dancing, Singing, Hey Fall
Ah You Came Falling Into Me.
(Don't Be Messin' 'Round)
He, He (So Don't Be Messin' 'Round)
(Don't Be Messin' 'Round)
We Started Loving Then You, You Came Sad Angel Cry?
I'll Be So Proud If You Let Me Know You Girl
Let Me Love You For A Little While.
(Don't Be Messin' ‘Round )
He, He (So Don't Be Messin' 'Round)
(Don't Be Messin' 'Round)
Oh ,Oh, Yeah
Oh, Oh, Yeah
Now She Started Finger Poppin' To The Beat
So I Said Let's Grove Out On The Floor
She Said To Keep Your Mind On Dancin', Won't Be No Romancin'
Lord No, Don't Mess Around With Me, I Ain't Playin'.
(Don't Be Messin' 'Round)
(Don't Be Messin' 'Round)
(Don't Be Messin' 'Round )
He, He (So Don't Be Messin' 'Round)
(Don't Be Messin' 'Round)
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SweetAngel
Don't be Messin Around is an expression. He's talking to a girl and telling her not to go around with any other guys.
:michael-jackson:
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I like it, but it's missing something.
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It has the same rhythm as Santana music.
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Love the rhythm-- I'll have to listen to it some more later.
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Thank you very much Mindeye for writing down the Lyrics and Dontwalkaway for the explaination.
I had the same Problem with Cali Swag District "I wanna be where you are" there was the Line
"ride a broom with me", and I thought what to the Devil are they talking about. I needed a little bit
time till I could figure that out :icon_lol:
Souza, you are right something is missing. But I heard that this Version is a early Demo from 1987. I read
somewhere that Bruce Swedian said that this Song is a incredible Love Ballad. Maybe there are later Versions
too. I'm still wondering that this Song isn't blocked in my Country and that it is not removed by Sony or
someone else. Normaly Youtube is very Quick in deleting Videos.
Much Peace and Love to everyone
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:icon_razz: Wonderful rhythm....give the desire to dance... :michael-jackson: :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile
AMAZING MICHAEL !!! :moonwalk_: :bearhug:
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It has the same rhythm as Santana music.
That's exactly what I was thinking too: a kind of Santana rhythm, Spanish. I like the song. A Carlos Santana guitar part would be fitting.
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It´s a cha-cha-cha base and it sounds like if taken from the rhythm box of a cheap Casio. It is weak, like a midi used by hotel singers.
It should be a test of some sort, because I doubt that would be the finished product.
Michael´s "latin" songs have been Whatever Happens and Blood on the Dance Floor...nothing to do with this one.
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@souza
I like it, but it's missing something.
Is missing more cowbell
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjsUf_oIgp0[/youtube]
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@souza
I like it, but it's missing something.
Is missing more cowbell
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjsUf_oIgp0[/youtube]
:LolLolLolLol:
LOVE that skit!
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@souza
I like it, but it's missing something.
Is missing more cowbell
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjsUf_oIgp0[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHXMX4eKNfA[/youtube]
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Exclusive : ‘Don’t Be Messin’ ‘Round - A Review
Presented as the first unreleased track off the BAD 25 campaign to be released as a bonus cut on the forthcoming I Just can’t Stop Loving You single, Don’t Be Messin’ ‘Round is a song that already has a history among MJ fans and connoisseurs. Way back in July 2009, legendary sound engineer and longtime Jackson collaborator Bruce Swedien revealed to columnist Roger Friedman that the track was just – simply put – mindblowing: « Michael plays piano on it, and it’s just beautiful. » He added: « Oh my God, there’s nothing like it. » He also stated that Jackson plays the piano on it, a feat that has always been underestimated (he also plays drums on Morphine and keyboards & synthesizers on the lost and underrated track Children’s Holiday, a song Jackson penned for the Japanese band J-Friends in 1998 and also recorded on his own).
So far, the sole book to document the song was Chris Cadman’s & Creaig Halstead’s reference book (yet unmatched in the UK and the U.S.) For The Record. A very short snippet of the song was leaked on YouTube some time ago. But that was it. Until now.
Swedien made it clear that the track was intended for the Thriller album. It finally did not make the final cut. Jackson had a history – like other artists – to develop a song and to discard it at the very last minute to keep the whole set of songs as tight and coherent as possible. The left off songs happened to be cornerstone and iconic ones that were shaped for further releases. Earth Song, first intended for the Dangerous album under the working title What About Us was reworked and polished for HIStory.
Don’t Be Messin’ ‘Round is a track that had been in the pipelines many times. It was first considered for the Thriller album, then BAD, and then for further projects. But the version to be released is the actual mix crafted in 1987. Sound engineer Matt Forger mixed the song for the BAD 25 project and made it clear that the song will be presented « as is »: « I mixed the « Don’t Be Messin’ ‘Round » track from tapes of that era. No new parts were allowed, not even parts that were recorded after ’87 but still done under Michael’s supervision ».
Composed and produced by Michael Jackson, Don’t Be Messin’ Round is part of the demos Jackson spent enough time on to draft several strong melodic and rhythmic ideas. The chords and the rhythm of the track are quite reminiscent of the sunny and cool mid-tempo version of P.Y.T. (the original demo that surfaced in 2004 on the The Ultimate Collection box set). Some ideas and notes also sound like the ones already heard in Streetwalker, especially in the verses. Jackson sings most of the lyrics in yogurt, meaning that he still had a few steps to go before he could include the song on one of his abums. At 2:23, Jackson dives into the « bridge » section of the song, that actually is – in this version – an instrumental section. The catchy and sunny hook is back and heads to the fade-out of the song. Don’t Be Messin’ Round is another door open to Michael Jackson’s unique creative process. The King of Pop was used to tape melodic ideas – orally – on a tape recorder and then get musicians to help him craft the track, layer after layer.
Don’t Be Messin’ ‘Round is a treat just before the actual BAD 25 set hits the shelves. The Estate of Michael Jackson and Sony Music have joined forces to gather genuine and untouched recordings from the iconic times of BAD. Ok, there will be some remixes as well. When it comes to Kings of music, we shall have an eye on some of the the win-win projects by the Estate of Elvis Presley. In 2002, they released this great remix of Just A Little Conversation by JXL. It was the sole new remix included as the final track of a cool greatest hits packaghe. This remix sold the whole set. It may just take one cool, hard, club banging remix to make the re-release of BAD a celebration of the original album and an attempt to reach a new generation of fans. To be continued…
Richard Lecocq
By MJdata.com
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The one at 0:35 cracked me up. What a sweet instrument!
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I’ll need to listen to this one more than once and let it grow on me.
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I like the song, piano is great. Maybe it's the 'boing' that's missing :icon_geek:
SNL skit :thjajaja121: hilarious.
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@KAP93: thanks for posting the review.
He also stated that Jackson plays the piano on it, a feat that has always been underestimated.
That is probably because we've never seen him playing the piano or other instruments (except "I'll be there"Michael Jackson - 'I'll Be There' Pepsi Publicity - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUl4PRwtA3c&feature=related) ), which doesn't mean that he cannot or will not play them.
I don't know if I should post it here, but this is an article about Michael's love for classical music and working on an instrumental album (maybe already posted before):
July 10, 2009
More details on instrumental album Michael Jackson started before his death, and his love of classical music
TV and film composer and conductor David Michael Frank may have been one of the last persons to collaborate with Michael Jackson on an artistic project. The pop singer’s untimely death left that project in an uncertain state. Initial reports suggested that Jackson planned to do an album of “classical music” he had written; the pieces were to be orchestrated by Frank. Actually, Frank says, the pieces were closer to film music and would have gone into an all-instrumental album had Jackson lived. The Baltimore-born Frank, interviewed by phone in California, gives an account here of his experience with the King of Pop:
Four or five months ago, I received a call from Michael Jackson’s longtime personal recording engineer, Michael Prince, who told me Michael was looking for someone to arrange some music for orchestra. I thought it was going to be for the tour he was going to do. For the next month or two, he would call, saying, ‘Michael Jackson says he’s going to call you.’
At the end of April, another Michael, Michael Jackson’s personal assistant, called me and asked me to come the next day at 10 a.m. and asked me the make and model of my car. I drove to the Holmby Hills home. I drove up to the front door, and was met by an assistant who told me to go inside. I was met there by a woman dressed like a housekeeper, but with a white turban on her head. She said, ‘Michael Jackson will be with you shortly.’ About two minutes later, he came down the stairs.
I was reluctant to shake his hand because I had heard that he was concerned about germs, but he immediately stuck his hand out and gave me a very firm handshake. He was very skinny, but not the least bit frail. He was wearing a suit and a hat. He was going to rehearsal later for the tour. He said, ‘You look familiar.’ I told him a long time ago I worked on a TV tribute to Sammy Davis, Jr. at Shrine Auditorium [that he had participated in]. I told him I had met him briefly there.’ He said, ‘I never forget a face.’
He told me, ‘I have three projects going on simultaneously.’ One was the tour that the whole world knew about. The other two I believe no one knew about. One was to be an album of pop songs. Then he said, ‘The other one is that I want to record an album of classical music’ — what he called classical music.
He said he listened to ...
classical music all the time; it was his absolute favorite. I was impressed with the pieces he mentioned: Aaron Copland’s Rodeo, Fanfare for the Common Man and Lincoln Portrait; Leonard Bernstein’s West Side Story. I mentioned Bernstein's On the Waterfront. Then Michael mentioned that he loved Elmer Bernstein's film music, too, and he specifically mentioned To Kill a Mockingbird.
I realized that almost all the classical pieces he mentioned are childlike, very simple and pretty, like Prokofiev’s Peter and the Wolf and Tchaikovsky’s Nutcracker Suite. He also mentioned Debussy several times, specifically Arabesque [No. 1] and Clair de lune. He was very soft-spoken when were talking about music, but when he got animated about something, he was very changed. When he mentioned how he loved Elmer Bernstein, and I said I liked the Magnificent Seven score, Michael started singing the theme very loudly, almost screaming it.
He said, ‘I’m making a CD.’ Then his son, Prince Michael, came in, and Michael asked him to find a CD player. Paris found one and brought it in with Prince. Michael played the CD. It was very pretty music. He said, ‘But a section is missing.’ He played a second piece. And he said, ‘But a section is missing, too. But I can hum it to you.’ I asked if there was a piano in the house, and he said there was one in the pool house. We headed out there, but Michael stopped when he saw the dog was outside, soaking wet from being in the pool. He didn't want us to get splattered. It was kind of funny. Michael got another assistant to hold the dog while we went to his pool house.
I sat at the piano and Michael hummed the missing part of one of the pieces. I had taken a little digital recorder with me and asked if I could record him. He was in perfect pitch. I tried to figure out chords to go with it as he hummed. He said, ‘Your instincts are totally right about the chords.’
We talked about classical music some more. I played some Debussy pieces. Michael seemed very happy and I think he felt very comfortable with me. He mentioned Leonard Bernstein again, and I played some of West Side Story. He told me he had met Bernstein once and that Bernstein had said he was a big fan of Michael’s.
Back in the house, whenever he’d go from room to room, you’d hear, ‘I love you, Daddy.’ ‘I love you, Paris.’ They all seemed pretty normal and happy.
Michael was very anxious to get the pieces orchestrated and record the music with a big orchestra. I suggested we record it at the Fox, Sony or Warner Brothers lot. I asked if he could have someone call me to discuss the budget and he said he would take care of it. When I left there were several fans outside the gate.
[Later] I talked to Michael on the phone. He asked me how the project was going and I said I was waiting to hear from someone so we could set the deal. I suggested we could record the music in London while he was doing the show there. He liked the idea. He again brought up Arabesque.
I laid the music all out on my computer and started on the orchestrations. Finally, a week before Michael died, his manager, Frank Dileo, called and asked me for an email with the budget and an electronic mock-up of the music, the costs of orchestration.
Now I have no idea what’s going to happen with this. I’m hoping the family will do something to get this done. I will not bring it up [with them] until after what I think is an appropriate time.
My guess is that each piece would be seven to ten minutes long. [Each one] is more substantial than a song. It’s very pretty music. One piece had an Irish quality about it. I suggested that we could use a Celtic harp. The pieces sound like pretty film score music, with very traditional harmony, and definitely very strong melodies. One of them was a little John Barry-ish, like in Out of Africa -- that kind of John Barry score. I could hear [in my head] sweeping strings and French horns in unison.
I told Michael I was going to use one of Leonard Bernstein’s batons I had bought at auction when we did the recording. I knew he would have gotten a big kick out of that. I guess I still will use that baton if I ever get to conduct the music.
PHOTO OF DAVID MICHAEL FRANK COURTESY OF THE COMPOSER
In honor of Michael Jackson's interest in classical music, as reported by David Michael Frank, here's a performance of Debussy's 'Arabesque' that the late singer apparently held in high regard:
Clef Notes and Drama Queens: More details on instrumental album Michael Jackson started before his death, and his love of classical music - Classical music and theater in Baltimore: Critic Tim Smith writes about classical music, opera, theater, the Baltimore Symphony Orchestra, Centerstage, and more (http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/classicalmusic/2009/07/more_details_on_instrumental_a.html)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28Qi4jLtigc [/youtube]
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@everlastinglove_MJ Thanks for sharing this article. Interesting story, since he's one of the last persons to collaborate with him. Sad if he doesn't follow through on the classical album... film music hmmm .
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Yes, I wish they would release that classical album. I'm very curious about that.
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I'm loving it! Thank you Michael, thank you for the music!
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I had heard/read that MJ wanted to do a classical album way back in hoax time, but Everlastinglove, thank you for posting this more detailed description of this person's time with MJ.
I would love to buy the classical music of MJ's if it was produced. I think it would sell well. I really wouldn't be surprised if MJ had planned all along to get everything arranged with this man, and that through his agents the right time will come for the music to be arranged 'posthumously'. Perhaps the pieces will even become music scores for movies that MJ will direct incognito. Interesting MJ said he was working on 3 projects simultaneously, but I think that number should really be much higher considering the hoax elements! :icon_mrgreen:
Also I've been listening a few times to Dont be messing round, and I can't get enough --it's addictive! :penguin: ;)
There is just so much more to MJ than meets the eye, so much depth, that keeps us mesmerized!
I know in my home city, our official symphony orchestra did a whole concert apparently with all MJ music last fall, which I was so pleased with hearing about that, although I didn't go. So it seems MJ holds respect in other areas than just pop. Here's some of his music put to orchestra.
The Moscow Symphony Orchestra plays: Michael Jackson's - Smooth Criminal - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUhjQUsLbZM)
Michael Jackson - Billie Jean Orchestral Version - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tgGXmpHTHM&feature=related)
Michael Jackson - Earth Song (Symphony Orchestra) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHJlSL6Z95M&feature=related)
Michael Jackson - MAN IN THE MIRROR (Orchestral Version) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6sLe-lv3Cg&feature=related)
Michael Jackson Orchestra - Beat it & Bad (We love you, RIP) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tEwSeRySpM&feature=related)
Michael Jackson - Dirty Diana Orchestra Version - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXteHQNkTa4&feature=related)
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I loved the rhythm of this song. It would be perfect to have the participation of Brazilian singers because it resembles the style of Brazilian popular music! It awakens the desire to dance with Michael about the room! :michael-jackson:
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He was very skinny, but not the least bit frail.
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JUNE 5TH RE-RELEASE OF THE #1 SINGLE, "I JUST CAN’T STOP LOVING YOU" INCLUDES PREVIOUSLY UNRELEASED DEMO TRACK | The Official Michael Jackson Site (http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/news/june-5th-re-release-1-single-i-just-can%E2%80%99t-stop-loving-you-includes-previously-unreleased-demo-t?cid=lg:r1d&utm_medium=post&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=ypp%20-%20mj)
On Tuesday, June 5th The Estate of Michael Jackson and SONY Music Entertainment will re-release the first #1 single from BAD, "I Just Can't Stop Loving You", with a previously unreleased bonus demo track from the BAD sessions titled, "Don't Be Messin' 'Round". This special single re-release will not be released digitally; it is only available on CD at Wal-Mart.com, Wal-Mart stores in the U.S. and at other locations worldwide.
"Don't Be Messin' Round" was re-discovered in MJ's personal vault during the research process for BAD 25, the 25th anniversary edition of BAD available September 18th. Listen to a preview clip below.
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So... Why June 5TH?
About wembley show "Sourced from Michael Jackson’s personal VHS tape, the only copy known to exist". :icon_bounce:
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So... Why June 5TH?
Lucky #7? :icon_e_wink:
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@everlastinglove_MJ Thanks for sharing this article. Interesting story, since he's one of the last persons to collaborate with him. Sad if he doesn't follow through on the classical album... film music hmmm .
film music hmmm
:icon_e_wink:
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Also I've been listening a few times to Dont be messing round, and I can't get enough --it's addictive! :penguin: ;)
It sure is addictive! :penguin:
I would love to buy the classical music of MJ's if it was produced
:beerchug:
There is just so much more to MJ than meets the eye, so much depth, that keeps us mesmerized!
Well said, I agree :icon_e_smile:
Thanks for the links of MJ's music put to orchestra. They are all amazing, Earth song is my fav tho.
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An article about.... :icon_e_smile:
Michael Jackson's unreleased song his 'greatest ever work' - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/michael-jackson/5742020/Michael-Jacksons-unreleased-song-his-greatest-ever-work.html#)
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The more I hear it, the more I love it. And I too would love to hear more classical Michael.
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An article about.... :icon_e_smile:
Michael Jackson's unreleased song his 'greatest ever work' - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/michael-jackson/5742020/Michael-Jacksons-unreleased-song-his-greatest-ever-work.html#)
Bruce Swedien is On the hoax from the beginning, -- I remember him tweeting that MJ is Alive on first couple month after 625.@ Did anyone was saving this tweet may be back there MAYBE?
THANX FOR THE ARTICLE, @BLANKIE!;)
Michael Jackson's unreleased song his 'greatest ever work' - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/michael-jackson/5742020/Michael-Jacksons-unreleased-song-his-greatest-ever-work.html#)
Michael Jackson's unreleased song his 'greatest ever work'
An unreleased song by Michael Jackson in which he plays the piano could rank as his greatest ever work, according to his former record producer.
Bruce Swedien revealed the singer had completed a powerful track entitled Don't Be Messin' Around.
Featuring what was described as a mesmerising solo performance, it is expected to be available to millions of fans once the terms of Jackson's estate are settled.
Mr Swedien said of the ballad: "Michael plays piano on it, and it's just beautiful." He added: "Oh my God, there's nothing like it." The possibility of new Jackson music has been one of the most hotly-debated topics since his death.
It has been reported that hundreds of tracks could be available to fans, including lyrics Jackson wrote during the build-up to his planned European tour.
But there has been no substantiation to the rumours until now.
Swedian added: "There might be one or two songs that didn't make it from each album. But they're not finished. There aren't vocals for everything."
The producer, who worked alongside Jackson and Quincy Jones on such successful solo albums as Bad, Thriller, Off the Wall and Dangerous, is publishing a book based on his experiences with the singer.
In the Studio with Michael Jackson, published in the US on July 27, is expected to be a bestseller and is the first on the shelves since his death.
It will take an overwhelmingly positive tone towards Jackson, despite the fact he died owing the author half a million dollars.
Swedian told US journalist Roger Friedman: "I don't say anything bad about Michael in my book; it's nothing but good stuff."
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Oh so then he actually plays the piano himself.
Interesting.
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I like it, but it's missing something.
Yeah....I agree!!
It's missing Michael come back to dance and sing this song live! :icon_e_wink:
The music is very cute and catchy!
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:'( Debussy, My fav!
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:'( Debussy, My fav!
Love Debussy too.
I hope MJ's classical work will be released one day, I'll buy it.
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And Chopin I also listen to often.
The first time I listened Debussy I was 4 years old. Arabesque was the theme.
My "OCD" is to eat breakfast listening classical music. Difficult to do so when I am over at a friend´s house.
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Wow...just wow....MJ classical work :'(. This man is a box of surprises. So artistic!
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Quote from: ~Souza~ on June 03, 2012, 01:27:25 PM
I like it, but it's missing something.
It was apparently only a demo, so perhaps more was going to be added to it. My only criticism would be it has a LOT of repetition, which is unlike his other songs. So perhaps that was why he decided to shelf it for a while. He said he did that to many songs that he still wanted to do more to.
His piano strokes are so powerful and confident. I'd love to hear more of him playing piano. Well doing anything --more pics from Front of hands, biceps, etc. :icon_lol: I'm not fussy!
Is it MJ playing piano at the end of Smile at 3:50?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HsJ7CgmIVM[/youtube]
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I had heard/read that MJ wanted to do a classical album way back in hoax time, but Everlastinglove, thank you for posting this more detailed description of this person's time with MJ.
I would love to buy the classical music of MJ's if it was produced. I think it would sell well. I really wouldn't be surprised if MJ had planned all along to get everything arranged with this man, and that through his agents the right time will come for the music to be arranged 'posthumously'. Perhaps the pieces will even become music scores for movies that MJ will direct incognito. Interesting MJ said he was working on 3 projects simultaneously, but I think that number should really be much higher considering the hoax elements! :icon_mrgreen:
Also I've been listening a few times to Dont be messing round, and I can't get enough --it's addictive! :penguin: ;)
There is just so much more to MJ than meets the eye, so much depth, that keeps us mesmerized!
I know in my home city, our official symphony orchestra did a whole concert apparently with all MJ music last fall, which I was so pleased with hearing about that, although I didn't go. So it seems MJ holds respect in other areas than just pop. Here's some of his music put to orchestra.
The Moscow Symphony Orchestra plays: Michael Jackson's - Smooth Criminal - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUhjQUsLbZM)
Michael Jackson - Billie Jean Orchestral Version - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tgGXmpHTHM&feature=related)
Michael Jackson - Earth Song (Symphony Orchestra) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHJlSL6Z95M&feature=related)
Michael Jackson - MAN IN THE MIRROR (Orchestral Version) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6sLe-lv3Cg&feature=related)
Michael Jackson Orchestra - Beat it & Bad (We love you, RIP) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tEwSeRySpM&feature=related)
Michael Jackson - Dirty Diana Orchestra Version - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXteHQNkTa4&feature=related)
Also can't forget this:
David Garrett "Billie Jean", "I'll Be There" & "Smooth Criminal", Erfurt 25.06.2011 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teW0RYLWuTs) ;D
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Great Song "Don't Be Messin Around". I definitely will buy Bad25.
MJonMind thanks for posting the orchestra version of all those songs. I just listened to the one with David Garrett and it was very good. The one with Billie Jean, I'll be there, Smooth Criminal.
Lately, I've been hearing the song "Billie Jean" everywhere this week. It's strange because the Queen's (England) 60th Jubilee was this weekend and it's also being reported on TV every day. It's funny because last year I changed Prince William's name to "Willie Gene". This was because of all of the discussions about the anti-christ,illuminati, and the Shroud of Turin.
:moonwalk_: The lie becomes the truth
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Another article....
The Story Behind Michael Jackson's Infectious, Newly Released Song
Entertainment - Joseph Vogel - The Story Behind Michael Jackson's Infectious, Newly Released Song - The Atlantic (http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/06/the-story-behind-michael-jacksons-infectious-newly-released-song/258115/)
Jackson had a habit of writing and recording dozens of potential songs for each new project. This was especially the case for the Bad era, a prolific period in his career. At one point, he considered making Bad a triple-disc album given the amount of quality material. So it's fitting that later this fall, Sony Music and Jackson's estate will put out a full album of previously unreleased material from the Bad sessions. While the track list has not yet been finalized and will not be made public until closer to the September 18 release date, more than 20 new, unheard demos from the Bad sessions are currently being considered for the album. The songs being evaluated include a number of real gems and a few titles previously unknown to the most ardent Jackson aficionados.
Jackson would pull out the song again during both the 'Dangerous' and 'HIStory' sessions. Clearly, it was a song he liked. But it never found a home.
A team of Jackson collaborators and caretakers—including estate heads, Sony VP John Doelp, producer Al Quaglieri (who oversaw the excellent 2004 box set, Michael Jackson: The Ultimate Collection) and recording engineer, Matt Forger—combed through the vaults to see what was viable for the Bad 25 release. The criteria used for identifying potential songs were simple: They had to be recorded during the Bad era (1985-1987), and they had to be developed enough to feel like a complete track.
The Michael Jackson estate and Sony Legacy are leaving Jackson's work raw and unembellished this time around, in contrast to the King of Pop's first posthumous album, 2010's controversial Michael. The tracks will thus be less polished but more authentic, organic and true to what Jackson left behind. Similar to the critically acclaimed 2009 documentary, This Is It, the goal is to provide an intimate glimpse of the artist in his element. The listener, in essence, is brought into the studio with Michael Jackson as he works out a variety of musical ideas in his follow-up to the best-selling album of all time.
"Don't Be Messin'" illustrates this concept well. In the track, we can hear Jackson giving instructions, vocally dictating instrumental parts, mapping out where to accent words or add percussion, scatting and ad-libbing many of the unfinished lyrics. "One of the main intentions is to show that these are works in progress," says Matt Forger, a sound engineer and longtime Jackson friend and collaborator. "To pull the curtain back. To actually see Michael in his natural work environment, how he directs, his sense of humor, his focus."
The finished product, then, is intentionally unfinished and spontaneous. "You can just hear him having fun," Forger says. "His spirit and emotion are totally there. He knew in demos he didn't have to be totally perfect in his execution. So he'd be loose. He'd throw in ad libs and dance or sing or pop his fingers or clap his hands. You just hear him enjoying himself."
Jackson first wrote and recorded "Don't Be Messin'" during the Thriller sessions with engineer Brent Averill. Around this time he was working on a variety of musical ideas, including demos of "P.Y.T." and "Billie Jean." "Don't Be Messin'" features Jackson himself playing piano ("He could do more than he ever really let people know," Forger says.) He also produced, arranged, and guided many of the instrumental parts, including the cinematic strings, Jonathan Maxey's piano part in the bridge, and David Williams funky guitar licks.
Ultimately, since "Don't Be Messin'" wasn't fully developed and so much other strong material was coming in for Thriller, Jackson decided to put the song on the back burner, having in mind to revisit it for his next album. "That was kind of how Michael developed ideas and songs," explains Forger. "He let the song unfold in its own time. Sometimes a song wasn't ready or didn't quite fit the character of an album or a project and it would stay in the vaults. And then at a certain point of time, he would pull it out again."
In this case, the track re-surfaced in 1986, during the early stages of the Bad sessions. Jackson worked on the song primarily with recording engineers Matt Forger and Bill Bottrell in the "laboratory," the nickname for his renovated home studio at Hayvenhurst. As was typical for Jackson rhythm tracks, the song was quite long (nearly eight minutes) in its early phases. "Michael loves a song to be long," Forger says. "He loves it to groove because he gets to dance to it—which is a big thing, because when Michael feels the music is making him dance it means the groove is in the pocket."
Jackson's grooves, however, were unusual in that they often lacked the predictable repetition of much dance music, surprising with strange beat patterns, textures and nuances. "Some of these long versions of ["Don't Be Messin'"] really sound very interesting because there's different things happening in different sections," Forger says. "It's really not like you're sitting there for eight minutes thinking it's terribly long, because things are happening within that length of time that make it feel like, 'Yeah, this is cool.' It's actually satisfying to listen to the rhythm."
Cutting the song down was often a brutal process for Jackson, especially the intros and outros. As with other songs on Thriller and Bad, though, Jackson tried to trim it down into the four-to-five minute range, which is where the new mix of "Don't Be Messin'" clocks in.
Jackson continued to work on "Don't Be Messin'" into late 1986, at both his home studio and at Westlake. However, once Quincy Jones came on board, the serious paring began and "Don't Be Messin'" was left on the cutting room floor. Jackson would pull out the song again during both the Dangerous sessions and HIStory sessions, updating its sound and adding new elements. Clearly, it was a song he liked. But ultimately it never found a home.
The version Matt Forger mixed was the last version Jackson worked on during the Bad sessions in 1986. Forger feels it is the purest, most emotionally satisfying version: "It's exactly how Michael dictated it at the time. It's precisely Michael saying, 'this is how it has to be.'"
The 1986 demo isn't a groundbreaking song. The vocal is only partial-strength, the lyrics aren't finished, and the production isn't close to what it would be had it been fully realized by Jackson and Quincy Jones. However, it is a solid addition to the growing list of quality Bad-era outtakes (a list that also includes "Streetwalker," "Fly Away," and "Cheater"). "It's such a catchy underlying melodic hook," Forger says. "And it has a rhythmic feel that syncopates in such an interesting fashion." In a 2009 interview legendary recording engineer Bruce Swedien cited the track as one of his favorite unreleased Jackson songs. "It's just beautiful," he said . "Oh my God, there's nothing like it."
Like much of his work, the track doesn't fit neatly into a single genre, fusing flavors of Latin, jazz, and pop. With its breezy Bossa Nova rhythm and layers of interwoven hooks, it is a song that easily gets stuck in the head and makes you want to move—yet it also rewards multiple listens with its sophisticated syncopation and complex rhythm arrangement ("Music is like tapestry," Jackson once said. "It's different layers, it's weaving in and out, and if you look at it in layers you understand it better.")
For Forger, working on the track triggered memories of a simpler time in Jackson's turbulent career: "It just brought all the feelings back of what it was like in that era. Michael was just this exuberant, happy person. He wanted to challenge the world and make wonderful, great music."
What was Forger's goal in resurrecting the track?
"Just to make it authentic. Something Michael would enjoy and be proud of. It's got his charm and energy. If people appreciate it and enjoy it for what it is then I'll feel great. All I want it to be is enjoyed for the simple thing that it is.
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I don't know if it's a coincidence or not but Roshashanah (Trumpets) is listed to be from September 16 (sundown) until September 18, 2012. This doesn't seem to be a coincidence to me because of the importance of the festivals and the calendar. The Bad25 Album is coming out on September 18.
P.S.-Maybe he's saying, "Don't Be Messin Around" because you need to pay attention and listen to the "trumpet" (signal).
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I had heard/read that MJ wanted to do a classical album way back in hoax time, but Everlastinglove, thank you for posting this more detailed description of this person's time with MJ.
I would love to buy the classical music of MJ's if it was produced. I think it would sell well. I really wouldn't be surprised if MJ had planned all along to get everything arranged with this man, and that through his agents the right time will come for the music to be arranged 'posthumously'. Perhaps the pieces will even become music scores for movies that MJ will direct incognito. Interesting MJ said he was working on 3 projects simultaneously, but I think that number should really be much higher considering the hoax elements! :icon_mrgreen:
Also I've been listening a few times to Dont be messing round, and I can't get enough --it's addictive! :penguin: ;)
There is just so much more to MJ than meets the eye, so much depth, that keeps us mesmerized!
I know in my home city, our official symphony orchestra did a whole concert apparently with all MJ music last fall, which I was so pleased with hearing about that, although I didn't go. So it seems MJ holds respect in other areas than just pop. Here's some of his music put to orchestra.
The Moscow Symphony Orchestra plays: Michael Jackson's - Smooth Criminal - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUhjQUsLbZM)
Michael Jackson - Billie Jean Orchestral Version - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tgGXmpHTHM&feature=related)
Michael Jackson - Earth Song (Symphony Orchestra) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHJlSL6Z95M&feature=related)
Michael Jackson - MAN IN THE MIRROR (Orchestral Version) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6sLe-lv3Cg&feature=related)
Michael Jackson Orchestra - Beat it & Bad (We love you, RIP) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tEwSeRySpM&feature=related)
Michael Jackson - Dirty Diana Orchestra Version - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXteHQNkTa4&feature=related)
Also can't forget this:
David Garrett "Billie Jean", "I'll Be There" & "Smooth Criminal", Erfurt 25.06.2011 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teW0RYLWuTs) ;D
2CELLOS (Sulic & Hauser) - Smooth Criminal - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjOQac1vOEc)
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Awh I'm sad. The "Don't be messin" full song has been removed, with only a snippet left. :icon_cry:
Good strategy though, now I'll for sure have to go out a buy it! I love dancing to it!
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Awh I'm sad. The "Don't be messin" full song has been removed, with only a snippet left. :icon_cry:
Good strategy though, now I'll for sure have to go out a buy it! I love dancing to it!
just noticed that, went looking for it to make a back up recording in case that happened... and it happened...
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This link works...at least today 14/6
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZricS1g39M[/youtube]
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This link works...at least today 14/6
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZricS1g39M[/youtube]
thanks talanted! :icon_e_smile:
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I absolutely LOVE it!!!
Not to mention how much I would like to see Michael (latin) dancing on this song! He would be very graceful!
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[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=JU528uAo9NY[/youtube]
Michael Jackson-Dont be messing'round (aditional production by Fede4real) - YouTube (http://youtube.com/watch?v=JU528uAo9NY)
Guys, this is a really nice aditional production and arrangement by Fede4real, listen to this, it's done in a respectful manner and it still feels like Michaels work. Well done!