Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators

Hoax Theories => Coherent Theories ~ Connect the dots => Topic started by: MJonmind on May 31, 2012, 03:29:44 AM

Title: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MJonmind on May 31, 2012, 03:29:44 AM
It appears almost no one else agrees with me on this, but I'm still very suspicious, and plan to continue my investigation on this.
The extreme height difference between Murray and MJ is the most obvious insurmountable problem to the theory. But there may some illusion, techno trickery being used to pull this off, that we aren't aware of as yet.

Here is MagicalXscapism's video on the character Conrad Murray from the Court of Last Resort, played by same actor in Elvis' jailhouse rock, the mention of Doctor Murray in Smooth Criminal, and her belief that Conrad Murray changed his name from Robert Earl Carter at MJ's request.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVSRzoKiA68[/youtube]

Here's MJJ20Girl's video. 2 other Murrays (too short), Murray's medical license in question, and more lies.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXuvKWrapCs&feature=related[/youtube]

Here's xikzfonehome's morphing video of Murray and MJ.
I know people say the morphing doesn't prove anything, but here it is just to show it.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yESGptNNsJ0&feature=related[/youtube]

Here's some pic comparisons:

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/mumihands.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/murraymjha.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/murraymjma.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/mjfaceandd.jpg)

Front on Sept 21, 11, during trial when we can see Murray daily.
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Perhaps he will be standing right in front of us---in the FLESH…………

{Michael, wearing a clown suit--or maybe a Pink Panther disguise--removes his garb}

Fans: {in astonishment and disbelief} Michael, is that really you? NO! It can't be!

Michael: Yes, it's really me! {turns around slowly for all to see} Did you really think I ever left?

Fans: {looking hard with scrutinizing, hoaxy eyes  suspicious//  spinning like pinwheels} Nah…it's not him. It's just some dude in an MJ disguise underneath that clown/Pink Panther suit.

{fans turn and walk away, fraught with disappointment}

Michael: {standing alone…shakes his head…and breaks out into a rendition of 99 Bottles Of Beer On The Wall} 99 bottles of Propofol… 99 bottles of Propofol… take 1 down, pass it around--oops! where did it go?….. 98 bottles of Propofol………
If (when) MJ comes back - will we believe its him ? (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=7104.msg356413#msg356413)

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Light Man spinning all the while
Exhibit B gonna rock that trial
Exhibit B could have been Murray walking out of the hospital.
Remember how Murray was looking at the camera (us) a few times?  :icon_e_wink: :icon_e_wink:

TS on Nov 7, 11
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Finally, did anybody notice what TMZ said about Murray in solitary confinement?  “We’re told Murray will be assigned a single cell for his own protection … Officials tell us Murray will not be allowed to mingle with the general inmate population …” {http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/07/dr-conrad-murray-keep-away-prisoner/}.  Maybe NPG will get a photo of him walking on the beach again, while he is supposed to be in jail!   moonwalk_/
Katherine said the children had been walking on the beach.

TS
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Murray cooperated with the mystery person.  And what if I confess that I am Con-rad Murder-y, and I want to turn myself in—would the court accept that, or dismiss it as hearsay?   :?:

TIAI September 27 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=20587.msg366252#msg366252)
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Well, perhaps I have incriminated myself like Dr. Murray BECAUSE I AM DR. MURRAY!?!?!
TIAI September 27 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=20587.msg365475#msg365475)

Yeah, very funny, very funny... :animal0017:
Why say all this, what purpose did it serve?

Bec said that TS is a "slippery one". (And so is Front.)

First Katherine says it was Murray that told her MJ was dead. Then she says she's never met or had contact with him! :icon_eek:
Murray says he loves Katherine like his own mother, and the kids are like his own. Okay is all of that not brick by brick prankster?
Add to that all the many side-by-side pics of Murray & MJ, that TMZ posted.

If anyone has anything to add to this, that would be appreciated.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Andrea on May 31, 2012, 07:49:37 AM
I think Murray is MJ in the philosophical sense, he represents MJ.  Physically, I have my doubts but I would never rule it out because the truth has yet to be revealed.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Andrea on May 31, 2012, 08:17:47 AM
I just re-read my post and I don't think I should've used the word 'philosophical', I think 'figurative' is better, or symbolic.

I've always found it odd that we never saw any pics of MJ and Murray together.

I am curious if Nicole Alvarez and Murray are/were really in a relationship with a kiddie (wonder if he's grown at all, lol) or if she was acting the part.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bec on May 31, 2012, 10:18:03 AM
There are most certainly constant parallels being drawn between MJ and Murray. Murray is supposed to represent MJ in this modern scenario. He is a professional black man accused of a horrible crime, there are a small group of people supporting him fiercely, insisting he could never do what he is accused of, they contend that the picture the media paints/ed of him is false and completely off the mark (he is a holistic doctor, not a Dr. Feel Good), and many other little comparisons/parallels to MJ and events that occurred during the 2005 trial/2003 accusations. So Murray, I firmly believe, is supposed to represent MJ.

I stared at his face for hours during the 2011 trial and I saw nothing that leads me to believe he is masked, so I think the metaphorical comparison is as far as the MJ-Murray thing goes. Too bad, I muse, an unmasking in court most certainly would have shocked the world, brought it to a standstill, and then to it's knees, and been an amazing way to Bam... but it was not to be.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: diggyon on May 31, 2012, 12:12:56 PM
Well, I have compared Murray's  pictures with Michael's  pictures several times. I My conclusion is that they are two different persons. And as you said Mjonmind: the hight is one of the proofs that they are two different persons. Something else: in the pictures of Murray and Michael Mjonmind posted above we can see Michael's leg and Murray's leg as well. Murray's leg is a little bit arched compared to Mj's leg. So leg's form is different here. Have you noticed Murray's belly? It's a fat belly compared to Michael's. To me even the thumb nails look different!
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: emulik on May 31, 2012, 01:33:58 PM
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There are most certainly constant parallels being drawn between MJ and Murray. Murray is supposed to represent MJ in this modern scenario. He is a professional black man accused of a horrible crime, there are a small group of people supporting him fiercely, insisting he could never do what he is accused of, they contend that the picture the media paints/ed of him is false and completely off the mark (he is a holistic doctor, not a Dr. Feel Good), and many other little comparisons/parallels to MJ and events that occurred during the 2005 trial/2003 accusations. So Murray, I firmly believe, is supposed to represent MJ.
that is exactly the way I feel about C. Murray! thank you Bec for putting the words together! Hopefully in the end of this journey  general public and everybody will have another view on media and finally will have respect for MJ.. :icon_e_smile:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MJonmind on May 31, 2012, 01:46:27 PM
Thanks for all your responses! It's okay with me if you disagree, because it's understandable.

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/MJmurray.jpg)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on May 31, 2012, 05:07:42 PM
I agree that C. Murray represents MJ, though I believe not "in the flesh". Yet in this hoax everything is possible and the interesting comparisons, quotes you posted MJonmind plus Andrea's:
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I've always found it odd that we never saw any pics of MJ and Murray together.
keeps me open minded for surprises and keep me WATCHin' :icon_e_geek:

with LOVE  
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bec on May 31, 2012, 10:07:25 PM
@MJonmind, well it sure would leave people's jaws on the floor and make the earth quake, wouldn't it?

Man, it's fun to think about, that's for sure.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Adi on May 31, 2012, 10:23:52 PM
I definitely mused for hours during the Dr Murray trial last year that Murray was MJ.

As others have discussed I do believe Murray metaphorically represents MJ.

I also feel like there have been some pictures we have seen (posted 1st on TMZ of course  :icon_lol: ) which are made to to look MJ's body.....or even might have been MJ's body with Dr Murray's head photoshopped on.

This is one below. Remember this is the picture which has M2KV  hidden on the fence pailings behind him. It is weird because a few days later day TMZ posted the next picture which was meant to be from the same time period (maybe the following day) where he looked like he had gained about 10kgs  :suspect:

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/0104conrad.jpg)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/0106conrad.jpg)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Andrea on May 31, 2012, 10:35:42 PM
Actually Adi I'm glad you posted those pics.

I always thought the lower pic looked like Murray was wearing a fat suit.  Although his face looks fuller too....and different than the other pic.  I don't know, maybe he's one of those people whose weight fluctuates constantly.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: BeTheChange on May 31, 2012, 10:41:57 PM
I remember wishing that Mike was Murray throughout the whole trial lol.  I wanted him to 'pop out' at the end  :icon_lol:  The things that always killed my 'buzz' were Murray's height and the pics showing his bare arms and legs.  Of course, most of the pics (if not all) came through TMZ and if we've learned anything, it's that ANY pic can be altered.  But damn Murray's tall lol.

There were a few moments during the trial...when something about Murray's eyes sent me into a flutter. 

I still secretly hope that it is Mike....THAT would surprise (and astonish) everyone, including us.

With L.O.V.E. always.

P.S. @Andrea...it looks like a fat suit to me too.  Or at least a belly suit lol.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Adi on May 31, 2012, 10:48:57 PM
From memory, I think the 2 photos were meant to have been taken within only a few days of each other...I think just before the time of the Prelim trial in January 2011?

Anyway - yes I agree Andrea.....fat suit.....or perhaps photoshop, because surely one can't gain that much stomach fat in the space of a few days (I'm in big trouble if that's the case...eeekkk   :icon_lol: ).

I do remember us analysing these 2 pictures for a long time. I am pretty sure there is a thread on them somewhere.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: RK on May 31, 2012, 10:58:22 PM
Best thing I can learn from these pics is what not to wear. The long tie does draw the eye downward and hides the expanse of white s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d  shirt. Think it could be all optical illusion when the jacket is buttoned ? I used to think maybe he had a bullet proof vest on under there when we first analyzed these shots a few years ago.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bec on June 01, 2012, 12:13:41 AM
Yeah but look at his face. His face is fat in the bottom pic, slim in the top one.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Adi on June 01, 2012, 12:39:06 AM
I found the 2 TMZ articles these pics came from...except TMZ have removed the pictures now from the story:

Dr. Conrad Murray Ties One On | TMZ.com (http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/04/michael-jackson-doctor-conrad-murray-preliminary-hearing-suit-photo-court/)  (is the 1st slim picture)


Conrad Murray -- All Tied Up in a Knot | TMZ.com (http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/06/conrad-murray-bowtie-michael-jackson-manslaughter-preliminary-hearing-propofol-bad-tie/)   (is the 2nd podgy picture)

only taken a few days apart, yet a few kilos difference    :icon_lol:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: RK on June 01, 2012, 12:55:29 AM
Yeah, I see what you are saying, but just trying to find some" logical" explanation for it all. Different expressions such as a pout where you draw your lips in can make your cheeks seem hollow and then a smile or smurk puffs them out. I turn into a resemblence of Freddo Frog [ do you have him in the states?] when I smile. Or perhaps there is no logic to be found at all and TMZ is adding the pounds in photoshop. You know , Aphroditie said that during the trial, the media contingent there, and she was amongst them, would purposely try to get the most distorted pic they  could, using strange angles ect,  of MJ going to and from the courthouse and then plaster it all over their rags and broadcasts across the world.  And my last suggestion....
(http://images.littlewoods.com/is/image/Littlewoods/prodDetailMain-300x400/-inflatable-muscle-man-adult-costume%7CE011_SP930_28_WCIGI.jpg)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Adi on June 01, 2012, 01:45:46 AM
 :LolLolLolLol: @RK......that fat suit would be hilarious for a fancy dress party....
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: diggyon on June 01, 2012, 01:52:44 AM
@bec

Photoshop can do miracles. It can make you slim, fat, tall, white, yellow even green! You can get a smaller nose, bigger lips, it can change your haircolour too. So noone should underestimate Photoshop! ! ! It's a miraculous program.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MJonmind on June 01, 2012, 02:05:04 AM
What kills me is if it really is MJ, and then we're going to want to watch the trial all over again just to see him sitting there for hours listening, itching his face, looking around, and occasionally speaking with his Jamaican accent.

Okay this is my theory, and I'm not sure about the technical part if it's possible.  Well I'm almost positive from the clues I posted earlier that if the man called Conrad Murray is actually a Robert Earl Carter, and has changed his name for the hoax, it means that ALL of his history has been created--an extremely elaborate network of people, to make anyone who checks on him convinced that he's legit. And I mean a LOT of people. This would include all the people in the Galilee Baptist Church, all his patients from his clinic, all the witnesses and court people, all closely involved people at UCLA. Didn't Randy Phillips or Frank Dileo say they also had never met or seen Murray in person. Just seems so strange that no one has physically seen him. We discussed a long time ago that the scene at UCLA might have been filmed another day, with the footage of Murray on security camera even dubbed in, since it was blurry and stop-action. I know TS insisted that MJ wasn't in the ambulance that day and that there was only one shooting of the ambulance backing up and going to UCLA. He kept repeating about Jermaine's slip-up about MJ going to the airport.  If everyone involved that day is in on the hoax, did Murray even need to be around that day? Thus MJ could have snuck off to the airport, did a circle around and come back, just so TS wasn't lying.  They couldn't find Murray for days after the 25th.  Remember the video clip of Grace's where Michael's getting out of the SUV, and Murray walks by? Murray looks so fake as if his figure is dubbed in.

Remember also how we constantly saw Murray strolling everywhere at the beach, the mall, the streets, at the coffee-shop, the barber, and on and on. And no one was seeming to care to even look his way. Remember how we thought all that could have been filmed before June 25, 09, when the public didn't know him from Adam. In addition to many short video clips, we have many still shots all by NPG or Zimbio (or something like that). Oh there was also the UCLA security video which was pics taken a second apart. Correct me if I'm wrong but have the completely unsuspecting public ever seen the actual Murray?  Okay so that's if Murray is another actor.
 
Now, if we realize how already challenging it has been to prepare all this background stuff anyway, let's just extend it to the high-tech capabilities.  If Murray is really MJ, my theory is that the video is altered in production by enlarging/lengthening his whole body in film and pics, somehow separating it from the background. In today's world of special effects I really believe they can do this.

BTC, yes, during the trial, my heart fluttered every time Murray would look straight into the camera, and I would think, what if we're looking right at MJ, live!

I want to get back to the Pink Panther comments by Front. He posted them on Sept 21, and the trial started on the 27th.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Conrad_Murray (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Conrad_Murray)

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Perhaps he will be standing right in front of us---in the FLESH…………

{Michael, wearing a clown suit--or maybe a Pink Panther disguise--removes his garb}

Fans: {in astonishment and disbelief} Michael, is that really you? NO! It can't be!

Michael: Yes, it's really me! {turns around slowly for all to see} Did you really think I ever left?

Fans: {looking hard with scrutinizing, hoaxy eyes  suspicious//  spinning like pinwheels} Nah…it's not him. It's just some dude in an MJ disguise underneath that clown/Pink Panther suit.

{fans turn and walk away, fraught with disappointment}

Michael: {standing alone…shakes his head…and breaks out into a rendition of 99 Bottles Of Beer On The Wall} 99 bottles of Propofol… 99 bottles of Propofol… take 1 down, pass it around--oops! where did it go?….. 98 bottles of Propofol………

MJ's disguises have often included what he called a "fat suit". Perhaps it could be referred to as a 'clown suit'. And when have we seen Michael as a panther? Right, Black or White video. Here a black panther morphs into a dancing sexual angry Michael, and then morphs back into a panther. Perhaps MJ has morphed into black Murray, and "Pink" just adds comedy.

MJ said his favorite super-comic-book hero was Morph. This article beautiful discusses MJ's Black Panther dance.
innermichael.com/2011/05/black-or-white-part-iii-panther-dance/  (copy and paste link)

Not only that, but then Front says that underneath the "clown suit" and "pink panther" suit is someone in an MJ disguise --or the real MJ more like.  Why would someone put on 3 costumes?  NO, no, Front is saying it is MJ under a Murray fat suit, just like another panther trick. JMO

Finally here is Eddy Murphy in his fat suit (we discussed this way back too).

(http://www.hecklerspray.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/eddie-murphy-norbit.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_tPZzR7EpIjg/TUO2EWa6umI/AAAAAAAAAhI/NXvbH4_7ucY/s1600/eddie+murphy+norbit.jpg)

Apparently it is was the talented Rick Baker who did both Michael Jackson's make-up for Thriller, and Eddy Murphy's make-up as the fat woman. Here is an excellent article showing the many fantastic make-up jobs and more of Rick Baker.

Native Audio Grrrl: Spotlight On: Rick Baker (http://nativeaudiogrrrl.blogspot.ca/2011/01/spotlight-on-rick-baker.html)

I'm telling you guys, this is all a colossal masterpiece, never been done before, mind-blowing stunt.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: emulik on June 01, 2012, 02:16:35 AM
 :LolLolLolLol: :icon_lol:
MJonmind..yes, make-up artists can do miracles-make fat woman from athletic figure man, remake woman to man, etc...Nowadays we are then not so sure who is who.. :icon_albino: :icon_razz:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: RK on June 01, 2012, 03:47:18 AM
Yes...that celulite does look real....I have seen real celulite before :-\
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: gwynned on June 01, 2012, 09:04:23 AM
Its absurd, ridiculous and thoroughly IMPOSSIBLE that MJ is CM.  Does that mean it's true?

Wonder how many among the other cast of characters is ALSO MJ.  I guess you can't be the greatest entertainer in the world without showing off your acting skills.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: paula-c on June 01, 2012, 09:13:13 AM
(http://www.hecklerspray.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/eddie-murphy-norbit.jpg) :errrr:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: BeTheChange on June 01, 2012, 10:17:18 AM
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Yes...that celulite does look real....I have seen real celulite before :-\

 :LolLolLolLol:

As for Mike being Murray (and God only knows who else)...all I know is that with Mike's 'brain', anything is possible.

With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: suspicious mind on June 01, 2012, 10:20:00 AM
wow  seems i remember wwwwaaaaayyyyy back that souza and myself wondered about murray and what it was about him and thinking along the lines of how he looked like a jackson. you guys thougt we were nuts.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: BeTheChange on June 01, 2012, 10:22:41 AM
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wow  seems i remember wwwwaaaaayyyyy back that souza and myself wondered about murray and what it was about him and thinking along the lines of how he looked like a jackson. you guys thougt we were nuts.

Not all of us.  I, too, remember that time very well.

With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bec on June 01, 2012, 11:00:18 AM
diggyon:
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@bec

Photoshop can do miracles. It can make you slim, fat, tall, white, yellow even green! You can get a smaller nose, bigger lips, it can change your haircolour too. So noone should underestimate Photoshop! ! ! It's a miraculous program.

Well yeah but again, that would indicate an intent of what purpose? What's the purpose of photoshopping Murray's appearance if not to insinuate that this man is not real/is someone else in disguise?

Again, there IS a purposeful intent (in my opinion) going on here to suggest that Murray IS MJ in disguise, so as I've long believed, he either IS, OR, someone is taking great pains to make us believe that. But why?
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MaryK on June 01, 2012, 11:22:40 AM
Method acting maybe?

Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: gwynned on June 01, 2012, 12:08:52 PM
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diggyon:
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@bec

Photoshop can do miracles. It can make you slim, fat, tall, white, yellow even green! You can get a smaller nose, bigger lips, it can change your haircolour too. So noone should underestimate Photoshop! ! ! It's a miraculous program.

Well yeah but again, that would indicate an intent of what purpose? What's the purpose of photoshopping Murray's appearance if not to insinuate that this man is not real/is someone else in disguise?

Again, there IS a purposeful intent (in my opinion) going on here to suggest that Murray IS MJ in disguise, so as I've long believed, he either IS, OR, someone is taking great pains to make us believe that. But why?

One reason might be to demonstrate in real time for all to see how easily we can be deceived.   There are certainly others like it's just so crazy funny.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: monstertooty on June 01, 2012, 12:33:58 PM
Hopefully everyone remembers my opinion on this so I wont touch it.   Can't wait till the mask comes off.   :icon_e_smile:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MJonmind on June 01, 2012, 01:17:46 PM
I'm kinda getting older and my memory aint what it used to be... :-\

Could you give us at least a hint? :bowdown:
I do remember you in the lively chat beside the courtroom drama! :D
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: suspicious mind on June 01, 2012, 01:42:14 PM
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Hopefully everyone remembers my opinion on this so I wont touch it.   Can't wait till the mask comes off.   :icon_e_smile:
hey there ! haven't seen you round since the trial. those were the days huh all the fast paced posting while trying to keep up with all that was goin on then. yes why don't you refresh us. :multiplespotting:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Dontwalkaway on June 01, 2012, 03:39:37 PM
Maybe actors play more than one part.  For example, Maybe Michael played Murray for a while, Maybe Travis Payne or someone els also played Murray for a few scenes.  Maybe Murray did some part of it himself ???
This way no one can figure anything out and it would be so hysterical.  I don't know if it's true.  It's just an ideas that crossed my mind a few times.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: reveron1958 on June 01, 2012, 03:46:22 PM
I really can't entertain the idea that Murray isn't an actual human being, but someone wearing a mask or make up!  :affraid: As for more than one person 'playing' him.... :over-react-smiley:  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: LoveShyMichael on June 01, 2012, 05:27:01 PM
@mjonmind...

I really feel you are on to the right subject again. I have always thought that this Conrad Murray, just came out of no where, & ends up Michael Jackson's doctor was odd. How come there is no pictures of Conrad Murray with any of Michael's entourage of people? Not one photo of a guy that got sentenced to prison/jail for killing the king of pop, & not one leaked photo? I'm not buying it.

Where is CR serving his sentence? Where's the "jailhouse photo"?
Where's all the patients of his? he was a cardio doctor. Where's his credientials? Where did he go to school? Who were his classmates in grade school, high school, college frat boys? Where are all the people who knew "the CR"? What about family? his parents? Have we ever heard from them? C'mon he "KILLED" the king of pop.

Yikkkkeesss that Eddie Murphy as a fat woman, (in a sexy bikini) yiiiikkkkkeessss, there is no way I would've ever thought that was Eddie Murphy. That celelite looks down right authenic real.

IF, & SAY IF, CR is Michael don't you think that Michael would have to coverup, change, conceal every possible vein, scar, shape of eyes, nose, hands, veins in the hands, add scars, change ear shape, the list is endless.

If anything I feel Michael would have to add features, like scars, skin to areas, implants, cheeks, get rid of the dimple in the chin, those are all TELL TALE signs of "Michael Jackson". That's what the normal brain would be thinking. But us here looks for the "not so obvious" also.

I really feel like the perfect disguise for Michael is being black' Really who's going to think that Michael Jackson is actually disguised as a black man? The mainstream media dinosours have been always making rude comments about "his tooooo many plastic surgies", & bleaching his skin to be white, who would think about Michael actually faking his death & living his life as a black man again. I think that's BRILLIANT!

Again, I'm not saying that CR is Michael, but I can't find another explanation why CR magically came in Michael's life, not know how to do CPR, get sentenced to prison, not know where he is, & no pictures be leaked of him, can walk the beach & not have a soul around. I'm sorry it's not adding up.

If he didn't, he knows there is endless photos of him in every possible pose that would be disected to death. Which is has been on this forum. We don't miss a clue, or we try not too miss a clue.

I mean with technology, & remember Michael in Ghosts, c'mon people, he did it back then, & pulled it off. Men even have 6-pack abs added to their stomache cuz maybe they too lazy to work out to achieve that result, so hey lets just get an implant to look like 6-pack abs.

So MJonmind......I'm with you on this one. it's always been in the back of mind, but I'm pretty good at listening to the other voices in my head, they seem to argue with one another....lol

I'm glad you brought it up again. Because nothing of CR past or present adds up!

Which also leads to the question......if we say the courtroom trial was a fake,  we're all the people in the courtroom identified as being "actors/actresses"? I know I have never saw a courtroom with sooo many stuffed animals..hahaha.

I know the government even has "mock" courtrooms, they admit that.

Just like Where's Waldo?
Where's Conrad Murray?
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: hesouttamylife on June 01, 2012, 05:49:35 PM
 :animal0017: maybe someone needs to pay a visit to Conrad Murray’s jail ...

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Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: LoveShyMichael on June 01, 2012, 06:46:35 PM
I wonder how many people called that facility to see if he's actually there? or better yet, How about one of us call and ask to put money, $1 in Conrad Murrays canteen account.?

Does anyone on this forum live near that facility?


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Persons desiring to deposit money on an inmate's account may do so at the cashier's office at the Inmate Reception Center. No money will be accepted at Men's Central Jail. Inmates may sign an Order for Release of Prisoners Property form and/or a Money Draw Slip during regular visiting hours.

The cashiers office can be reached at (213) 473-6049. Further information on the cashier's office can be seen by clicking here.



Parking available at the visitor parking structure for $8 .00

Members of the general public may visit inmates at any Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department jail facility. Visiting hours vary and are subject to change without prior notice. Inmates are provided with at least two visits totaling at least one hour per week. At Men’s Central Jail, general population inmates may receive three twenty (20) minute visits per week totaling one hour and special handle inmates may receive two thirty (30) minute visits per week totaling one hour. A total of three (3) visitors are allowed per inmate


SHIT.....$8.00 to park, & only get 20 minute visit x3, if I do my math correct that's $24 a week.

Wonder what "special handle inmates" is?...same amount of time---1 hr, but only 2x per week.
I never heard of paying to park to visit a jail or prison. Really? wow what xtra revenue they generating.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Its her on June 01, 2012, 09:03:09 PM
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Yes...that celulite does look real....I have seen real celulite before :-\

 :thjajaja121:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: LoveShyMichael on June 01, 2012, 09:56:51 PM
I think when people look for comparisons of CR to Michael, they looking at obvious things, hands, ears, height, eyes, etc. Putting that picture of the sexy woman in the bikini (eddie in fat suit) & picture of Eddie next to it, what could anyone ever point out that would be similiar to each other?

And to be able to say it's a "man" in a fat suit?

IF, & I use the word "if" loosely is CR is Michael, looking for clues on him to match up to what Michael's old photos, is not going to be there.

Look at Tyler Perry, as Madea, & other roles he plays, if you didn't know it was actually Tyler Perry playing all those different roles, do you think you would've guessed?

Eddie Murphy in The Nutty Professor.  He had multiple roles. All dressed different, fat, slimmer, darker, lighter, etc...

Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: gwynned on June 02, 2012, 12:12:27 AM
I really hope it's true.  That Conrad Murray documentary was funny enough as it is.  But if that's really Michael ranting and saying 'fooking' several times......the only thing funnier than watching it would be to be watching Michael working with the script writers, assuming he had some help.

I have to say it again.  I feel an overwhelming sense of wonder at being able to witness the unraveling in real time of this great work. 
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 02, 2012, 12:22:04 AM
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those were the days huh all the fast paced posting while trying to keep up with all that was goin on then.


hey dont forget the 3am starts for us here in australia. yeah those were the days. almost killed me!
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MJonmind on June 02, 2012, 02:14:42 AM
Gwynned, yes the Murray Documentary was funny and strange in so many ways. I've collected all the videos of interviews and footage of him talking, etc. Though I can't find any glimmers of MJ there, and it all seems so genuine, so impossible to be MJ, the only thing that keeps me wondering is this-- we know MJ is alive--there's a good chance Murray (or Robert Earl Carter) is acting as a doctor/personality so he is already fake.  Even as another person, Murray is acting at Oscar level for sure. Totally deserves many medals! Then it only has to be taken to one other level of difficulty--MJ in a fat suit.  Is MJ really that good at acting, doing accents, doing facial and hand motions different than his usual way.

I totally totally realize how impossible it seems as I watch these clips of him talking. Even all the people around him seem SO very authentic, not to be acting.  Yet we know MJ is alive. :screaming-7365: :screaming-7365: :screaming-7365: :screaming-7365:

Anyway here are the vidoes:

Channel  4 Interview with Conrad Murray
Michael Jackson and The Doctor Documentary - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07_ARCbatcc)
CM Documentary directed by MJ 2010
Dr. Conrad Murray Documentary Directed by Michael Jackson 2010 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_d8vcxcL9o&feature=related)
CM on the ‘Today Show’, inter view
DR.Conrad Murray On The "Today" Show 11-11-11 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO4D_8pDeEw&feature=related)

MJ and the Doctor Doc Part 1
Michael Jackson and the Doctor: A Fatal Friendship 2011 Documentary P1 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFV6-i-pduA&feature=related)
MJ and the Doctor Doc Part 2
Michael Jackson and The Doctor Documentary Part 2 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHYVW5sVps4)
MJ and the Doctor Doc Part 3
3 Michael Jackson and the Doctor A Fatal Friendship 2011 Documentary P3 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K1OwfwYSM0&feature=relmfu)
MJ and the Doctor Doc Part 4
4 Michael Jackson and the Doctor A Fatal Friendship 2011 Documentary P4 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d7UDe0opxI&feature=relmfu)
MJ and the Doctor Doc Part 5
5 Michael Jackson and the Doctor A Fatal Friendship 2011 Documentary P5 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-EbLDi34As&feature=relmfu)
MJ and the Doctor Doc Part 6
6 Michael Jackson and the Doctor A Fatal Friendship 2011 Documentary P6 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlL4XAXu3s8&feature=relmfu)
MJ and the Doctor Doc Part 7
7 Michael Jackson and the Doctor A Fatal Friendship 2011 Documentary P7 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTMPTgWT93U&feature=related)
MJ and the Doctor Doc Part 8
8 Michael Jackson and the Doctor A Fatal Friendship 2011 Documentary 8 of 8 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTzIw6EH3DY&feature=relmfu)

I almost give up on my theory, yet there is just some hope still left--and so many hints, clues, odd things that I hang on. :icon_albino:

Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on June 02, 2012, 02:23:06 AM
I've always and will always have a small belief that Conrad is Michael in disguise. It's always been in the back of my mind :suspect:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MJonmind on June 02, 2012, 03:28:04 AM
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I've always and will always have a small belief that Conrad is Michael in disguise. It's always been in the back of my mind :suspect:
Exactly me!  And it's based on other things also--like his ability to perform the Mayor in Ghost, and DD on Larry King Live, and more.  It's funny to me that in the official movie world he was given such pathetic roles like his cameo appearances in Men in Black 2, and Miss Cast Away and the Island Girls.  As if he was so incapable, weak, and a has-been.  Even in the Murray documentary, Murray says how naive and like a child MJ was. If MJ is Murray, I doubt there is any actor who could act on this caliber. Like Thriller, Michael would have raised the bar so high again--never been done before. But that's a big IF... :icon_bounce:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: gwynned on June 02, 2012, 04:27:31 AM
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I've always and will always have a small belief that Conrad is Michael in disguise. It's always been in the back of my mind :suspect:
Exactly me!  And it's based on other things also--like his ability to perform the Mayor in Ghost, and DD on Larry King Live, and more.  It's funny to me that in the official movie world he was given such pathetic roles like his cameo appearances in Men in Black 2, and Miss Cast Away and the Island Girls.  As if he was so incapable, weak, and a has-been.  Even in the Murray documentary, Murray says how naive and like a child MJ was. If MJ is Murray, I doubt there is any actor who could act on this caliber. Like Thriller, Michael would have raised the bar so high again--never been done before. But that's a big IF... :icon_bounce:

Wouldn't surprise me if Michael deliberately looked incapable in those cameo appearances.  Part of a plan to keep people off track. 

And I gotta say, that he could keep a straight face playing Murray is amazing enough.  MJonmind, great clips.  Makes me wonder what kind of a mind could invent a character like Murray.   :Michael_Jackson_smiley_by_red
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 02, 2012, 05:26:53 AM
didnt MJ say that he wore glasses to disguise the eyes, as they were an open window to his soul... (it was possibly someone else who said it about MJ)

i guess my point is, if you wnt your answer about CM being MJ, then look at CM's eyes. MJs eyes could never be disgiused no matter how much make up / fat suits he were to put on. they are distinct.

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/readers/2011/05/25/mj-thriller-dave-dave_1.jpg)


dead give away on the eyes...


(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-v1zM5GyqIj4/Tq5EFji2eDI/AAAAAAAACw0/9ofOHn_BCqk/s1600/MJ+1984+Say+Say+Say.jpg)


again the eyes...

(http://a.abcnews.com/images/2020/ht_mj_ghost_making_of_the_mayor_100624_ssh.jpg)


here is CM to refresh our memories...

(http://cdn2.gossipcenter.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/story_header/photos/dr-conrad-murray-mug-29.jpg)




now i am not saying it's not possible, because i too like MJfan7 in the back of my mind am waiting for CMs big reveal, peel off the face mask, etc. (i have a wild imagination) i mean wouldnt that be the icing on the cake... that the man who went to jail for the murder of MJ was MJ himself.. wouldnt that show the holes in the justice system...

but then when i look at CM's eyes, i dont see a trace of MJ....

not saying its not possible. but the eyes are for me the thing to go by... and MJ isnt there..


any other viewpoints on my post?
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: marumjj on June 02, 2012, 06:00:59 AM
I agree with MJ Australian Believer, Michael is not behind CM. Perhaps CM, MJ attitudes takes to appear less guilty. I do not know.
 :bearhug:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: annieareyouokannie on June 02, 2012, 07:40:17 AM
Is there a photo of Murray smiling? If it is Michael we can tell by his teeth. That is if he isnt
wearing false ones.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: annieareyouokannie on June 02, 2012, 07:55:47 AM
I found a pic of Murray in an outdoor spa. Does not look like michaels body at all. You can see from around the waist up. Dont know how to copy it on here, but someone might know how.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 02, 2012, 07:57:36 AM
(http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/usa/images-7/conrad-murray-happy.jpg)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: mindseye on June 02, 2012, 08:04:18 AM
I've never thought CM is MJ in disguise. You're right about the eyes... Dave on LKL yes, CM definite no.

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/2j644k8.jpg)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Andrea on June 02, 2012, 08:30:08 AM
There's always a possibility to the 2 Murrays theory.  That there is a 'real' Murray, whether his name is actually Conrad Murray or not who knows, and an MJ Murray.  There seems to be a lot of dualities with the hoax so it is possible that for the most part, we've seen the actual Murray but the odd time, it's been MJ as Murray. 
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: GINAFELICIA on June 02, 2012, 08:35:10 AM
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I've always found it odd that we never saw any pics of MJ and Murray together.
Indeed no pic of them together - but we have testimonies of them together, like the testimony of the cooker, what was her name, Kai Chase? Except the case she's in the hoax.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: suspicious mind on June 02, 2012, 08:59:25 AM
i go back and forth on this one so much these days. sometimes i see it and sometimes i think i am just messin' with my own mind idk
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: hesouttamylife on June 02, 2012, 09:04:49 AM
The only solid that made me think that Murray could be MJ is that every time I think of Murray, I immediately think of Michael saying “we’ve got 4 years to get it right”.  Four years is always associated with Murray and his crime against Michael and has been from the beginning.  He is charged with Involuntary Manslaughter.  He’s found guilty and gets sentenced to 4 years (to get right his crimes against MJ).  Then they reveal that he will only do 2 years which would mean that in 2013, 4 years from Michael’s “death” he would be free.  As will Michael.  Michael as Murray would be ideal in that no one is paying much attention to what’s going on in Murray’s life at this time.  And by the end of that sentence, Murray and Michael will both be free.  Murray to go his own way, what ever that is, (possibly disappear) and Michael to wake up the world that’s obviously still sleeping on the truth.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: LOVEforMJ1995 on June 02, 2012, 09:12:11 AM
This thread just reminding me of something wierd i read in the paper this morning.
" a black man who disguised himself as a white man using a latex mask to commit robberies"
he was caught after 10 years or something stupid!

Heres the link if you want to read: Black armed robber disguised himself as white man using latex mask | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2153346/Black-armed-robber-disguised-white-man-using-latex-mask.html?ITO=1490)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: hesouttamylife on June 02, 2012, 09:42:59 AM
If Michael Jackson had really been killed by Murray, surely his defense team would have charged him with criminally negligent manslaughter which carries a higher sentencing based on the amount of negligence proven, one to 20 years.  With all the evidence they had, I no doubt believe he would have been given the maximum.  A team as sharp as they were certainly knows the law front and back and would not have let Murray slide with 4 years. 

"Criminally Negligent Manslaughter A homicide resulting from the taking of an unreasonable and high degree of risk is usually considered criminally negligent manslaughter. Jurisdictions are divided on the question of whether the defendant must be aware of the risk. Modern criminal codes generally require a consciousness of risk, although, under some codes, the absence of this element makes the offense a less serious homicide.

There are numerous cases in which an omission to act or a failure to perform a duty constitutes criminally negligent manslaughter. The existence of a duty is essential. Since the law does not recognize that an ordinary person has a duty to aid or rescue another in distress, an ensuing death from failure to act would not be manslaughter. On the other hand, an omission in which one has a duty, such as the failure of a lifeguard to attempt to save a drowning person, might constitute the offense.

When the failure to act is reckless or negligent, and not intentional, it is usually manslaughter. If the omission is intentional and death is likely or substantially likely to result, the offense might be murder. When an intent to kill, recklessness, and negligence are present, no offense is committed."
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: suspicious mind on June 02, 2012, 09:47:35 AM
by the way are the trial videos still here?
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on June 02, 2012, 10:33:12 AM
(http://clarkbunch.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/conrad-murray.jpg)

I don't see any trace of Michael neither.
Michael's eyeballs are whiter than Murray's.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: 2good2btrue on June 02, 2012, 10:41:53 AM
I always believed the mystery man in the fedora hat was Conrad Murray in disguiseJust look at the hands and finger nails...........Also, you can definitely see short black curly hair under the wig.
Look at the height of mystery man compared to Conrad Murray........Also, when you watch body language, the  mannerisms are soooo similar, it is identical to CM when he goes to hug the other invited guest...
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/murraynow.jpg)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/conradbhb.jpg)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/gallery/1346_01_06_12_2_12_57.png (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/gallery/1346_01_06_12_2_12_57.png)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/conradjij.jpg)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bec on June 02, 2012, 11:19:59 AM
Oh my, 2Good, now you have a point there for sure.

I don't see MJ in CM's eyes either.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 02, 2012, 06:10:04 PM
the idea of 2 murrays in interesting and i am def open to it....

Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on June 02, 2012, 08:56:46 PM
Yes, the eyes and the pictures of Murray in the pool are the only things making me doubt.

But one thing is, Murray practically didn't exist before 2009. No pictures or records, until we started pointing that out, then suddenly we get pictures of him from 2004... wearing the same clothes...

There's another disguise post-2009 that I and many others believe is Michael. If you haven't seen it, here are some pictures you can use to compare with CM. These are from the X Factor finale 2011, and the hand & foot ceremony at the Chinese theater. Both times he was sitting/walking with the family.

Here he is at X Factor behind katherine:
(http://i40.tinypic.com/j7rbq8.png)

and again at the Ceremony:
(http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/8217/42408725923584081157311.jpg)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 02, 2012, 09:08:41 PM
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There's always a possibility to the 2 Murrays theory.  That there is a 'real' Murray, whether his name is actually Conrad Murray or not who knows, and an MJ Murray.  There seems to be a lot of dualities with the hoax so it is possible that for the most part, we've seen the actual Murray but the odd time, it's been MJ as Murray.

now this, i agree with as a possibility. but why? if CM is playing his role for MJ in this hoax, why the need for two?
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Andrea on June 02, 2012, 09:56:01 PM
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There's always a possibility to the 2 Murrays theory.  That there is a 'real' Murray, whether his name is actually Conrad Murray or not who knows, and an MJ Murray.  There seems to be a lot of dualities with the hoax so it is possible that for the most part, we've seen the actual Murray but the odd time, it's been MJ as Murray.

now this, i agree with as a possibility. but why? if CM is playing his role for MJ in this hoax, why the need for two?

Why not? The 2 Murrays is pure speculation anyways.  But there does seem to be a slimmer Murray with a darker skin tone and a puffier Murray whose skin seems a bit lighter.  Or maybe it was just different lighting and he lost or gained weight.

I certainly envision MJ as having a lot of character 'credits' at the end of the movie...
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 02, 2012, 10:03:09 PM
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There's always a possibility to the 2 Murrays theory.  That there is a 'real' Murray, whether his name is actually Conrad Murray or not who knows, and an MJ Murray.  There seems to be a lot of dualities with the hoax so it is possible that for the most part, we've seen the actual Murray but the odd time, it's been MJ as Murray.

now this, i agree with as a possibility. but why? if CM is playing his role for MJ in this hoax, why the need for two?

Why not? The 2 Murrays is pure speculation anyways.  But there does seem to be a slimmer Murray with a darker skin tone and a puffier Murray whose skin seems a bit lighter.  Or maybe it was just different lighting and he lost or gained weight.



agree with all of the observations about murray. but still am unsure why there would need to be two if CM is playing a "role" anyway...  it does make the mind boggle.

Quote

I certainly envision MJ as having a lot of character 'credits' at the end of the movie...

ooh yes. this one will be a great string of credits for the good ol' resume mr jackson.... LOL and the history books too!


i love it!


Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Andrea on June 02, 2012, 10:20:05 PM
IF there are 2 Murrays, one being MJ, then I suppose a reason could be to create confusion and debate.  I mean, the Is-Murray-MJ conversation has been going on for years now.  And look at your sig pic Aussie, lol, what MJ did with himself at the O2 arena...we still talk about whether it's him or not (I think it is).  2 Dave Daves, 2 (possible) old dancing hat men (again, one real and one MJ) not to mention the other hat men.  It's a way to hide in plain sight, to be right where the action is and have nobody know.  How thrilling!
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 02, 2012, 10:29:08 PM
lol, my pic in signature was chosen because its red. and i wanted a red banner for a changer. i wanted it to say i'm a knower. but couldnt be bothered creating the graphic from scratch, so found one on the net saying i know...

i too believe it was MJ 100% @ 02


i guess your right about a second CM creating confusion.


its all confusing. which as good. as long as its confusing and not straight forward then DH is real. only a real death would be straight forward.

so i guess the moral is the more confusing the better :)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bec on June 02, 2012, 10:40:46 PM
Yes, there's tall, dark, and handsome Murray, then there's short(er), pudgy, and light Murray.

The latter is prob MJ lol.

I agree Pool Murray was odd. Swim trunks pool Murray was fat and portly. Beach run Murray was sexy.

I don't see how this could be the same man.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: RK on June 02, 2012, 10:52:52 PM
And the third Murray.... the older Uncle Murray
(http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article6786285.ece/ALTERNATES/w460/Conrad+Murray+and+uncle)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Andrea on June 02, 2012, 10:54:35 PM
I just found this photo and I honestly can't remember if I've seen it before.

(http://celebseniorlaundry.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/FP_5511560_Murray_Conrad_BRJ_01_20.jpg)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: 2good2btrue on June 02, 2012, 11:12:57 PM
Robert Earl Carter #637 (http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/US/carter637.htm)

Could it be possible that Conrad Murray has taken on a fake identity??  Like a prisoner???  Look at this........

Robert Earl Carter  

Executed May 31, 2000 by Lethal Injection in Texas

 Summary:
Carter was found guilty and sentenced to death for the 1992 murders of six people, one of whom was his 4-year-old son. In the early morning hours of Aug. 18, 1992, firefighters responded to a house fire in Somerville, Texas. Inside the house, the bodies of 45 year old Bobbie Davis, her daughter, Nicole Davis (16), and her grandchildren, Lea Erin Davis (5), Brittany Davis (6), Jason Davis (4), and Denitra Davis (9) were discovered.

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/robertearl.jpg)

Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: paula-c on June 02, 2012, 11:22:18 PM
"The metamorphosis of Murray"""
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Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bugsy on June 04, 2012, 11:38:42 PM
Ambulance 71
And possible other numbers of 774 out there somewhere.

Im alive

In Simple Gematria Equals: 71
Jewish Gematria Equals: 774
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 05, 2012, 12:20:47 AM
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And the third Murray.... the older Uncle Murray
(http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article6786285.ece/ALTERNATES/w460/Conrad+Murray+and+uncle)


maybe even grandpa murray, lol
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: wishingstar on June 05, 2012, 12:29:23 AM
@leilani81....great post, you bring up some interesting things to think about.....it seems we have gone over and over MJ as Murray, but there's still things to be thought about and things that just make you really wonder!  I think when Bamsday comes, the media will scramble to find words
that will make themselves the good guys in all this.  They will not have sound reasoning as to why they reported it all so quickly and inefficiently. 
It's going to be great, lol!  Thanks for the post........

Blessings Always
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: RK on June 05, 2012, 12:35:50 AM
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And the third Murray.... the older Uncle Murray
(http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article6786285.ece/ALTERNATES/w460/Conrad+Murray+and+uncle)


maybe even grandpa murray, lol

Yeah. And if memory serves me right, I think the story said he was a relative through marriage, not a blood relative.    :icon_e_confused:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 05, 2012, 12:44:48 AM
bwahahahahahaha. RK thanks for that last little post. it generated a belly laugh...

just what i needed to wake me up... its 3pm and i'm @ work...


 :bearhug:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MJonmind on June 05, 2012, 03:23:21 AM
Well they must have had a 'belly-laugh' when they were doing the photo-shop for his 'uncle'! :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Adi on June 05, 2012, 03:26:32 AM
hahahaha......the uncle......what a trip!
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 05, 2012, 03:54:41 AM
 ???
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Well they must have had a 'belly-laugh' when they were doing the photo-shop for his 'uncle'! :LolLolLolLol:


(http://www.clipartpal.com/_thumbs/pd/education/award_ribbon_gold_1st_T.png)



1st place for the most amusing photo shop santa claus style beard yet published.


again, thanks for the belly laugh RK. lol

i hadnt seen this picture.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MissG on June 05, 2012, 10:49:43 AM
Grandpa Murray is Murray photoshopped. The same same face, eyes, nose...all.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bec on June 05, 2012, 10:53:34 AM
Eh, the wrinkles around the eyes are in different places.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MissG on June 05, 2012, 11:28:44 AM
Same face.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MJonmind on June 06, 2012, 05:14:55 PM
This is from someone (I just noticed the message) who I'll let her claim if she wishes!  Hint hint! She said I should post it, and she gives her support to this thread!
 :bearhug:
I'm hoping she'll respond! :bowdown:

Quote
Loll :))) Nicole Alvarez is HILARIOUS! Q: "What were you doing in June 2009" ---> Nicole: "I was an actress... I was refining my INSTRUMENT" ---> LMFAO :))))))))) LMAo :)) so busy the little doc: "Four women, including one who testified Monday, were among the distractions preoccupying Murray during Michael Jackson's final hours of life, prosecutors allege." Funny how Nicole Alvarez said she is an actress! lmao :))) - Michael Jackson Death Evidence: Fingerprints? | Video - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/michael-jackson-death-evidence-fingerprints-14668825)

LMFAO :)) Murray's TRIAL was a freakin' PARODY!! :)))) Look at these guys they were laughing their as off after the images with one of Murray's ex-girlfriends! Jesus how many girlfriends did he have? hummm... truly a sex-symbol our killer-doctor! a true thriller-boy! ha! :))) Conrad Murray Trial - Strange Girlfriend - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQgte21_cxw)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQgte21_cxw[/youtube]


Thank you so much for your comment! Love it! ;)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: paula-c on June 06, 2012, 07:16:34 PM
And never knew that thing was this INSTRUMENT" :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Dontwalkaway on June 06, 2012, 08:49:04 PM
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And never knew that thing was this INSTRUMENT" :LolLolLolLol:

Wow, I never saw the picture of Uncle Murray before.  That's too funny. 

I think that maybe several people played Murray as well as the original one.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bugsy on June 06, 2012, 09:30:44 PM
How popular is the name Conrad?

I find when it concerns Michael, there is a lot of familar names through out his life,

Alvarez - also someone by that name witnessed or something his marriage to Lisa Marie Presley, well that name was there anyways not sure if it was middle, first or last name
- Murrays Girlfriends
-Alberto the body guard.

Conrad - One of Elizabeth Taylors ex husbands  "Conrad Hilton, Jr"

Paul Murray photographer to the stars, he spoken to Michael Jackson many times.

Also the abundance of people named Michael! Ok they are real people but the amount of them surrounding MJ was rather shocking, I haven't seen so many people named Michael in one place in the 28 years of my life that I remember. Maybe it was deliberate,I don't know.

But it's possible that Conrad Murray name was created from those two people if indeed he is just a fictional Character in this.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: RK on June 06, 2012, 10:44:38 PM
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How popular is the name Conrad?

I find when it concerns Michael, there is a lot of familar names through out his life,

Alvarez - also someone by that name witnessed or something his marriage to Lisa Marie Presley, well that name was there anyways not sure if it was middle, first or last name
- Murrays Girlfriends
-Alberto the body guard.

Conrad - One of Elizabeth Taylors ex husbands  "Conrad Hilton, Jr"

Paul Murray photographer to the stars, he spoken to Michael Jackson many times.

Also the abundance of people named Michael! Ok they are real people but the amount of them surrounding MJ was rather shocking, I haven't seen so many people named Michael in one place in the 28 years of my life that I remember. Maybe it was deliberate,I don't know.

But it's possible that Conrad Murray name was created from those two people if indeed he is just a fictional Character in this.
I go with fictional. Have you come across this before?

"The Court of Last Resort" The Conrad Murray Case (TV episode 1957) - IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0549697/)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bugsy on June 07, 2012, 02:31:33 AM
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How popular is the name Conrad?

I find when it concerns Michael, there is a lot of familar names through out his life,

Alvarez - also someone by that name witnessed or something his marriage to Lisa Marie Presley, well that name was there anyways not sure if it was middle, first or last name
- Murrays Girlfriends
-Alberto the body guard.

Conrad - One of Elizabeth Taylors ex husbands  "Conrad Hilton, Jr"

Paul Murray photographer to the stars, he spoken to Michael Jackson many times.

Also the abundance of people named Michael! Ok they are real people but the amount of them surrounding MJ was rather shocking, I haven't seen so many people named Michael in one place in the 28 years of my life that I remember. Maybe it was deliberate,I don't know.

But it's possible that Conrad Murray name was created from those two people if indeed he is just a fictional Character in this.
I go with fictional. Have you come across this before?

"The Court of Last Resort" The Conrad Murray Case (TV episode 1957) - IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0549697/)

Oh yeah, I forgot about that.. that was one of the first things I saw a couple of months ago, my mind has had so much information pushed into it that the older stuff kind of disappeared into the back somewhere, Think I'm going to have to write down everything that's been found so I can remember.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: 2good2btrue on June 07, 2012, 02:46:31 AM
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How popular is the name Conrad?

I find when it concerns Michael, there is a lot of familar names through out his life,

Alvarez - also someone by that name witnessed or something his marriage to Lisa Marie Presley, well that name was there anyways not sure if it was middle, first or last name
- Murrays Girlfriends
-Alberto the body guard.

Conrad - One of Elizabeth Taylors ex husbands  "Conrad Hilton, Jr"

Paul Murray photographer to the stars, he spoken to Michael Jackson many times.

Also the abundance of people named Michael! Ok they are real people but the amount of them surrounding MJ was rather shocking, I haven't seen so many people named Michael in one place in the 28 years of my life that I remember. Maybe it was deliberate,I don't know.

But it's possible that Conrad Murray name was created from those two people if indeed he is just a fictional Character in this.
I go with fictional. Have you come across this before?

"The Court of Last Resort" The Conrad Murray Case (TV episode 1957) - IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0549697/)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGRc-58Gwj8[/youtube]
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Adi on June 07, 2012, 03:51:07 AM
The Court of Last Resort......Conrad Murray all that was pretty amazing when it was found!

Something that I picked up after watching that video again that RK posted....the double murder took place on Tuesday, July 17 1923.......this year (2012) July 17th also falls on a Tuesday   :icon_cool:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: reveron1958 on June 07, 2012, 04:55:07 AM
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How popular is the name Conrad?

I find when it concerns Michael, there is a lot of familar names through out his life,

Alvarez - also someone by that name witnessed or something his marriage to Lisa Marie Presley, well that name was there anyways not sure if it was middle, first or last name
- Murrays Girlfriends
-Alberto the body guard.

Conrad - One of Elizabeth Taylors ex husbands  "Conrad Hilton, Jr"

Paul Murray photographer to the stars, he spoken to Michael Jackson many times.

Also the abundance of people named Michael! Ok they are real people but the amount of them surrounding MJ was rather shocking, I haven't seen so many people named Michael in one place in the 28 years of my life that I remember. Maybe it was deliberate,I don't know.

But it's possible that Conrad Murray name was created from those two people if indeed he is just a fictional Character in this.

My husband's name is Conrad and one of his surnames is Alvarez  :thjajaja121:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: SimPattyK on June 10, 2012, 07:07:53 AM
What a great thread @MjonMind!! :th_bravo:
Everyone has done so many interesting posts here!!

Thank you for opening this topic, sis' !!
Couldn't help but posting these montages here!

This is in reply to what you said on Derek Clontzz- thread - Michael Jackson Spotted in Pennsylvania: New Eyewitness Report (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22767.new#new)

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[...]Oh, I just read your excellent post.  I didn't know about MJ's fleet of 75 cars! Thanks! 
Front said he was in a  "pink"  panther disguise!
 
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/elvis200ca.jpg)

GREAT Elvis-VIDEO ----> ELVIS GIVES 200 Cadillacs AWAY - Video Dailymotion (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2pnu1_elvis-gives-200-cadillacs-away_news)

Dr. Conrad Murray Judge Made an 'Error' By Not Sequestering Jury (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=20234.0)

If (when) MJ comes back - will we believe its him ? (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=7104.msg356413#msg356413)

Conrad Murray: The Man Who Killed Michael Jackson (Documentary) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trDlHzLvz9o&feature=related)

'The brainchild of Rex Fowler, 200 Cadillacs takes the viewer on a journey into the stories behind Elvis' love of giving Cadillacs to friends and complete strangers. This is an important release about Elvis as it opens up a known but little publicized part of Elvis' personality. " - 200 Cadillacs DVD (http://www.elvisinfonet.com/cadillacsdvd.html)


AT minute 0:40 she says: "...6 six brothers hi hi!!!(LMAO)? Ooops, now 5???"
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4vmCzR8Cx8[/youtube]

(http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/1729/hoaxpinkcadillac.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/695/hoaxpinkcadillac.jpg/)

(http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/1760/elvismurraybaloney.jpg)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/mjelvimrm.jpg)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/pink.jpg)

Besides the PINK panther, what other PINK stuff did we have to complete this CIRCUS-trial? lol
The PINK PIG  :icon_lol: :icon_lol:


(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/murraysls.jpg)


From this thread ---- > http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/?topic=20662.100

(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9099/mjmurray001.jpg)

"The technological 3D secrets of James Cameron's new film Avatar"
The technological secrets of James Cameron's new film Avatar (http://forum.santabanta.com/showthread.htm?176241-The-technological-secrets-of-James-Cameron-s-new-film-Avatar)

(http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8471/mjmurray002.jpg)

(http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/1718/murraymjhandcuffs.jpg)

(http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7527/murraumesereau.jpg)

(http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/9232/38297210150939888325545.jpg)

(http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/659/tiesmurraymj.jpg)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/murrayacti.jpg)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/murrayrjr.jpg)

Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MJonmind on June 10, 2012, 02:45:30 PM
Awesome Simpa!  Thank you!
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: reveron1958 on June 10, 2012, 03:07:29 PM
Isn't it a perfectly normal expression to say someone is 'acting' for someone else?  :icon_e_confused: I know it is used a lot for solicitors 'acting' on someone's behalf. It doesn't literally mean ACTING as in the profession.

Can I also ask SimPattyK - do you mean that Prince blew that bubblegum bubble at the memorial solely to indicate to people watching that there is a connection to Elvis?
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: SimPattyK on June 10, 2012, 04:23:20 PM
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Isn't it a perfectly normal expression to say someone is 'acting' for someone else?  :icon_e_confused: I know it is used a lot for solicitors 'acting' on someone's behalf. It doesn't literally mean ACTING as in the profession.
Yes, in relation to a solicitor, that would be a quite normal verb to use.

But I think Deborah Brazil's choice of this particular verb was hoaxy-suggestive. Especially referring to a doctor, not a solicitor. Why didn’t she say „Murray was treating OR working for Michael Jackson as a  personal physician” instead of acting as a physician?
Also this is just one of the many other examples of a funny choice of words during this trial. We need only to remember „alleged victim”.
Not to mention the whole context  of this trial, in which most of the people involved are known to be actors in their private life, including the Judge, the coroner, Murray’s current girlfriend who also described in details, for the Court, her job as an actress and how she „maintains her instrument” lmfao  :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol:
So taking into account all these  above^^  plus other „coincidental” and similar details, I believe that in this case, the verb ACTING was used to hint to Murray being an actor and not a real doctor... and to this whole trial being a movie (circus) rather than a real trial.
But of course that's just my opinion. And probably I am wrong.

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Can I also ask SimPattyK - do you mean that Prince blew that bubblegum bubble at the memorial solely to indicate to people watching that there is a connection to Elvis?
You see, it’s all about semantics, expressions, meanings, symbolism, linguistic subtleties...
If you noticed, I wrote on the montage, just above Prince's photo, the word BALONEY because I thought that everyone who sees that word would instantly think of the well known expression:
„That’s A Bunch Of Baloney: Classic Joke/Expression”
OR
„It’s all Baloney: It's Just Not True”
 Expressions used to describe false, wrong or foolish things.
OR
„A lot of baloney” - A lot of lies; hogwash, bullshit, bunkum; nonsense; garbage.
“I don’t believe a word you say. You are talking a lot of baloney.” “Don’t give me that baloney. Stop talking garbage and tell me the truth.” “Don’t be fooled by anything he says, it’s a lot of baloney.” - http://www.noblepath.info/idioms_and_expressions/idioms_and_expressions.pdf (http://www.noblepath.info/idioms_and_expressions/idioms_and_expressions.pdf)

So I don’t think that Prince (chewing gum and making balloons during the memorial) was necessarily an ACT related to Elvis (even though I thought it was a funny “coincidence" how Murray was photographed by TMZ with a blue balloon and a PINK shirt – reminder of Elvis and his pic with the blue balloon).
So I think Prince’s balloon during the memorial was a clear message like: “Guys, stop the whining! This is NOT true! This memorial is all a FARSE/HOAX. It’s all baloney, a circus! a movie!!”

^^ Jeez look ho much I wrote!
That’s why I LOVE making montages! Saves a lot of time, space and words!
A photo is truly worth a BILLION words!!
One only needs just careful OPEN eyes for every detail to be "decoded"/"translated" just by watching!


(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/mjhoaxmrm.jpg)

Talking about BALONEY and all the expressions saying: IT'S NOT TRUE!
I think they ^^ also wanted to say the same thing, didn't they?
Or probably they just love being photographed while making gum balloons!?? lmao   :icon_lol: :icon_lol:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: hesouttamylife on June 10, 2012, 04:31:58 PM
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And the third Murray.... the older Uncle Murray
(http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article6786285.ece/ALTERNATES/w460/Conrad+Murray+and+uncle)


maybe even grandpa murray, lol

I know he is identified as Murray’s uncle, but I swear i believe those are one and the same with a little prosthetics added, like Tyler Perry when he plays Madea’s brother. 
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on June 10, 2012, 04:40:06 PM
@SimPattyk.... I love your montages thanks for taking your time and expose them!  :)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 11, 2012, 12:34:48 AM
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And the third Murray.... the older Uncle Murray
(http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article6786285.ece/ALTERNATES/w460/Conrad+Murray+and+uncle)


maybe even grandpa murray, lol


oh absolutley one and the same. i was more 'amused' as i hadnt come across this 'relative' hilarious... "attach white hair, and wah-la! you have a murray relative"

as i said, it made me laugh out loud!


I know he is identified as Murray’s uncle, but I swear i believe those are one and the same with a little prosthetics added, like Tyler Perry when he plays Madea’s brother.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 11, 2012, 12:38:30 AM
i have personally used and have heard other people use the expression, "acting as a doctor" so this is not unfamiliar to me so beg to differ in opinion here. HOWEVER, I DO believe that he was actually acting (as in the talent) in the hoax. so it fits both ways for me.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MJonmind on June 15, 2012, 05:14:12 AM
Gina on another thread just reminded me of this:
When Murray was riding in the bus talking with the journalist from the Daily Beast in the Murray Documentary, he said, "Talk to me, I'm The Source!"

I can't find it, but I'm sure in one of his updates/posts he refers to himself at the end as "The Source". Maybe it was "The Sign".
I know, it's just a little coincidence. :icon_e_biggrin:
If someone knows where it is, that would be helpful.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: AnaMarcia on June 15, 2012, 10:12:43 AM
 :LolLolLolLol:   The Source= TS
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MJonmind on June 24, 2012, 05:23:38 AM
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Gina on another thread just reminded me of this:
When Murray was riding in the bus talking with the journalist from the Daily Beast in the Murray Documentary, he said, "Talk to me, I'm The Source!"

I can't find it, but I'm sure in one of his updates/posts he refers to himself at the end as "The Source". Maybe it was "The Sign".
I know, it's just a little coincidence. :icon_e_biggrin:
If someone knows where it is, that would be helpful.

Thanks Simpa for posting on another thread about TS saying The Source!
Quote
TIai update #6.5: Michael & Elvis, DOUBle-scam from TS??

Quote from: TS on December 01, 2010, 01:30:15 AM
8. God Can Protect
I just happen to know something about Elvis/Jesse and his safety, that even Linda does not know.  And what I have done and am doing is for his best interest and greatest safety—both in the present and future.  If any are able to figure out The Source of what I’ve been presenting for more than a year now, they will know for certain that what I’m saying here is 100% true.

Elsewhere we were discussing Latoya seeming real crying at Forest Lawn, which reminds me of Paris and Katherine talking about how MJ taught Paris how to cry on demand.  So when I was watching this part of the CM docu, the scene where Murray suddenly erupts into tears seems like extremely good acting.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cH59ZzNETw[/youtube]
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: gwynned on June 24, 2012, 10:34:31 AM
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Elsewhere we were discussing Latoya seeming real crying at Forest Lawn, which reminds me of Paris and Katherine talking about how MJ taught Paris how to cry on demand.  So when I was watching this part of the CM docu, the scene where Murray suddenly erupts into tears seems like extremely good acting.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cH59ZzNETw[/youtube]

Don't discount the direction!  Don't you love how the camera focuses on CM from that angle and he quietly gets up and looks in the mirror?   :WTF: 
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Chicana on June 27, 2012, 04:08:30 AM
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And the third Murray.... the older Uncle Murray
(http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article6786285.ece/ALTERNATES/w460/Conrad+Murray+and+uncle)


maybe even grandpa murray, lol

nah. they may look very much alike, but i can see the differences of their facial features. ears are different, neck is totally different..skin texture looks different. the skin on the old man seems to be less greasy than dr. conrad murray. and the nose shapes are slightly different. they have strong family resemblances though. the hairline is even a little different.

I know he is identified as Murray’s uncle, but I swear i believe those are one and the same with a little prosthetics added, like Tyler Perry when he plays Madea’s brother.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: diggyon on June 27, 2012, 07:09:23 AM
This seems like acting to me. If this video was made for a documentary then there would have been a host, an interviewer who is interviewing Murray. But here he seems to be talking to no one And even standing up and walking away. This is new to me that someone walks away from the camera, from the shooting spot, unless it's a soap opera, a movie or a film where we have actors walking in different directions. 
Even looking in the mirror seems very suspicious to me. This means we have a person and his copy. I guess it's not a coincidence at all that he is looking in the mirror. It's a clue somehow. It's all staged.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: SimPattyK on June 27, 2012, 07:52:44 AM
1. Dr. Conrad Murray, Help, I'm Dying in Jail!!! (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22804.0)
2. Doc Murray - My Undies Are Clean ... and I'm Thrilled! (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22828.0)
3. Dr Murray How DARE you judge me (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22861.0)
4. CONRAD MURRAY The Inmate with the Dragon Tattoo (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22863.msg411870#msg411870)
5. TMZ Article: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DEATH 3 YEARS LATER (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22862.new#new)
6. TMZ vid: "The Ultimate DEATH by MUSIC Scenario - Chris Reid from Kid 'N Play"  (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22856.msg411890#new)


From this thread: Dr Murray How DARE you judge me (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22861.msg412404;topicseen#new)

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TMZ said he filmed this the same day he recordered the original message....
[....]
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/untitlzzz.jpg)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLW2E2kOn6w&feature=g-all-u[/youtube]



From this thread: Dr Murray How DARE you judge me (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22861.msg412404;topicseen#new)

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[....]I posted this very long tidbits of Michael’s life recently, and this was a tiny part of it.
Quote
(MJ) Liked to make prank calls to various friends and acquaintances. Russell Crowe recalled such prank calls he received from Michael.  Many times he made prank calls (or answering his phone) using foreign accents and disguising his voice.

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=314;area=showposts;start=50 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=314;area=showposts;start=50)

Compare the sound of Murray's voice with Michael's here. Have them going at the same time.  It seems similar to me.
Living With Michael Jackson The Martin Bashir Interview (part5) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjUBWKXeomk)

Here's another comparison pic of them speaking, and I've noticed also that both of them have a slight drooping bottom lip on the right side, showing when they smile or talk.

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/murraywqw.jpg)

@MJonMind: I'm so glad you posted this picture comparison! It is mostly the way they move their lips, jaws, mouth and also their similar head movements that always caught my eyes! Their eyes are very similar too!! And then of course, using the same words... transmitting the same message, etc...

I've always wondered why does Murray pronounce DA TROOT ... so bizarre, don't you think? I mean it's not like a native speaker would pronounce "the truth". I remember that back in 2009, when that video with Murray appeared, pleading for DA TROOT to come out, many believers were discussing his accent and pronunciation and also the possibility of Murray not being American...
For almost a year now... the idea of Murray possibly being MJ in disguise never left me!
This "never-meant-to be-seen"-video that TMZ posted on the 3rd "Death" anniversary of Michael, comes to reassure my belief in the possibility that Murray = MJ.
Especially with TMZ mentioning (article: Dr Murray How DARE you judge me (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22861.0) ) something apparently unimportant about LIEs and Murray's TEETH:
TMZ:"Murray LIEs THROUGH his TEETH about his relationship with the singer"

Then we have this other video where TMZ mentions this:
"TMZ: Murray ESCAPES THROUGH READing"
(the exact quote is: "TMZ: [...]Murray has only one shot at escaping: teleporting himself to other countries through pleasure of reading." -  Michael Jackson's Killer Tries to ESCAPE from Jail! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cQr5puDZaEU)   )

So I thought that if Murray is really MJ in disguise, maybe that's why TMZ made this reference to his teeth, for us to watch closer at his mouth, the way he talks, his teeth...which probably are FAKE! And that's why TMZ said that "Murray tells lies through his teeth about his relationship with the singer"! What relationship with the singer?? If Murray does NOT exist and the "doctor" is the singer himself!? lol So yeah Michael (Murray) lies (acts/pretends/hoax) through his fake teeth, playing the role of doctor Murray!

So if we're talking about a disguise and fake teeth, then maybe that's the reason why Murray (Michael)  can't speak as easily as he does normally. So that's why he pronounces DA TROOT instead of "THe truTH". To pronounce correctly the group of letters TH, you need to put your tongue THROUGH your TEETH! Maybe Murray (Michael) can't do that because of the dental prosthesis.  :icon_lol: :icon_lol:

In short, this is what I make of TMZ articles... if I read between the lines, of course lol or maybe between teeth!  :icon_lol:
---> READ DA TROOT (ESCAPISM, DISGUISE, HOAX) THROUGH MURRAY'S FAKE TEETH

Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: diggyon on June 27, 2012, 08:05:10 AM
Michael in disguise? Hmmmm could be possible. But somehow I think they are two different persons. JMO
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: LUNA on June 27, 2012, 08:06:38 AM
the only thing that mj could not change (even when in disguise) r eyes... so,we could understand if mj=cm only focusing our attention on them! will we be able 2 do that?  :suspect:

*LUNA*
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Cherry777 on June 27, 2012, 08:46:11 AM
Luna! I agree with you! His eyes ** ♥
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: diggyon on June 27, 2012, 08:48:04 AM
I am still convinced that these eyes are not Michael's.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Cherry777 on June 27, 2012, 09:36:18 AM
Lenses are also available...Personally I don't think Conrad is Michael.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: LUNA on June 27, 2012, 10:33:40 AM
do u remember the video of "ghost"? if no 1 had told me he was mj in disguise,i would never have recognized him! if i had even focused my my attention on his eyes,i think i would never understood mj,behind that old man! ....................

*LUNA*
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: curls on June 27, 2012, 10:52:00 AM
Oh God, I don't like getting drawn into 'coincidences', but all this talk about teeth, connected in my mind with our recent discussion on O2 MJ's teeth! (But please don't let us get started on that one again!!)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: SimPattyK on June 27, 2012, 11:28:50 AM
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do u remember the video of "ghost"? if no 1 had told me he was mj in disguise,i would never have recognized him! if i had even focused my my attention on his eyes,i think i would never understood mj,behind that old man! ....................

*LUNA*

Exactly !! ^^

MJ's "Ghosts" disguise + MJ's "Dave Dave" disguise  on Larry King Show, represented my main motivation when I started to look closer at "Doc. Murray" !!! besides of course other reasons/strange facts...
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MJonmind on June 27, 2012, 03:03:32 PM
Thanks Simpa for your contributions, and transferring those newer items here!

Some other thoughts:

The only appearances in regular Hollywood movies of MJ, is tiny/deplorable—cameo in Miss Cast Away Island Girls, and Men in Black III.  There have been reports of how he wanted to be in this or that movie but was rejected time and again. This gives the world the impression that he is so inept and weak as an actor. This also sets the ‘stage’ for DD, maybe CM, and other disguises MJ has worn during this hoax.  THIS is just as important as him setting up the scenario of his need for painkillers (Pepsi fire), and need for sleep (Propofol).

In reality MJ's acting ability is astounding, elite level, and he is a perfectionist down to the tiny details. I think it was Quincy Jones who said that on the Wiz set, MJ always knew his lines perfectly, and everyone's else's as well.

The only real obstacle for MJ being CM, is his height. It’s a huge barrier, and one that I’m sure MJ  KNEW would be a huge barrier.  Who would ever think.  I just know there has got to be some way of getting around this.  This is a Hollywood type production. In Lord of the Rings they made Gandalf tall and Frodo and his friends midget.

We already know the backgrounds for Murray’s 2 speeches on the same day, were likely green-screened.  Now why do that, if he is trying to be so honest and open to his ‘friends’, would he need production tricks.  So what are all the places we’ve seen Murray?

1.   2 messages of Murray –“Don’t worry”, and “Don’t judge”.  –easy to stage
2.    Stills of him entering and leaving UCLA. – images could be played with
3.    Documentary –images could be altered
4.   Him in church standing – difficult—are all those people actors?
5.   Him in clinic –I’m sure all those patients are actors so images could be altered.
6.   Many many pics of him around about, in barber shop, getting pedicure, coffee shop —could be altered
7.   Video footage of him walking around public places. –could those be staged as on a movie set?
We’ve always noted how people around him seem oblivious to his presence, yet by then he was all over the news.
8.     The Murray documentary --very challenging because his personality really comes out, high drama--but could be staged.

9.   Hearings, and main trial –this is by far the most difficult, almost impossible for MJ to be CM.
           Daily for hours he was there before our scrutinizing eyes, occasionally standing to his full  height.  Discomfort wearing a disguise for so many hours each day, and all the make-up time required.  Youch!
But MJ knows everyone thinks it's impossible full well, to his advantage.   Only, how did he do it???????????????????????

When we were intensely debating over whether MJ was DD, one big argument was how could he do his burned stumps of hands, but we know there are tricks, that I won’t go into here.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Chicana on June 27, 2012, 07:02:58 PM
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This seems like acting to me. If this video was made for a documentary then there would have been a host, an interviewer who is interviewing Murray. But here he seems to be talking to no one And even standing up and walking away. This is new to me that someone walks away from the camera, from the shooting spot, unless it's a soap opera, a movie or a film where we have actors walking in different directions. 
Even looking in the mirror seems very suspicious to me. This means we have a person and his copy. I guess it's not a coincidence at all that he is looking in the mirror. It's a clue somehow. It's all staged.

yeah i noticed that too. he was looking at the man in the mirror..lol. like michael jackson's song. i thought it was strange when he walked to the mirror. i smell an act.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Chicana on June 28, 2012, 06:12:40 PM
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1. Dr. Conrad Murray, Help, I'm Dying in Jail!!! (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22804.0)
2. Doc Murray - My Undies Are Clean ... and I'm Thrilled! (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22828.0)
3. Dr Murray How DARE you judge me (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22861.0)
4. CONRAD MURRAY The Inmate with the Dragon Tattoo (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22863.msg411870#msg411870)
5. TMZ Article: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DEATH 3 YEARS LATER (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22862.new#new)
6. TMZ vid: "The Ultimate DEATH by MUSIC Scenario - Chris Reid from Kid 'N Play"  (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22856.msg411890#new)


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TMZ said he filmed this the same day he recordered the original message....
[....]
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/untitlzzz.jpg)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLW2E2kOn6w&feature=g-all-u[/youtube]



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[....]I posted this very long tidbits of Michael’s life recently, and this was a tiny part of it.
Quote
(MJ) Liked to make prank calls to various friends and acquaintances. Russell Crowe recalled such prank calls he received from Michael.  Many times he made prank calls (or answering his phone) using foreign accents and disguising his voice.

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=314;area=showposts;start=50 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=314;area=showposts;start=50)

Compare the sound of Murray's voice with Michael's here. Have them going at the same time.  It seems similar to me.
Living With Michael Jackson The Martin Bashir Interview (part5) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjUBWKXeomk)

Here's another comparison pic of them speaking, and I've noticed also that both of them have a slight drooping bottom lip on the right side, showing when they smile or talk.

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/murraywqw.jpg)

@MJonMind: I'm so glad you posted this picture comparison! It is mostly the way they move their lips, jaws, mouth and also their similar head movements that always caught my eyes! Their eyes are very similar too!! And then of course, using the same words... transmitting the same message, etc...

I've always wondered why does Murray pronounce DA TROOT ... so bizarre, don't you think? I mean it's not like a native speaker would pronounce "the truth". I remember that back in 2009, when that video with Murray appeared, pleading for DA TROOT to come out, many believers were discussing his accent and pronunciation and also the possibility of Murray not being American...
For almost a year now... the idea of Murray possibly being MJ in disguise never left me!
This "never-meant-to be-seen"-video that TMZ posted on the 3rd "Death" anniversary of Michael, comes to reassure my belief in the possibility that Murray = MJ.
Especially with TMZ mentioning (article: Dr Murray How DARE you judge me (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22861.0) ) something apparently unimportant about LIEs and Murray's TEETH:
TMZ:"Murray LIEs THROUGH his TEETH about his relationship with the singer"

Then we have this other video where TMZ mentions this:
"TMZ: Murray ESCAPES THROUGH READing"
(the exact quote is: "TMZ: [...]Murray has only one shot at escaping: teleporting himself to other countries through pleasure of reading." -  Michael Jackson's Killer Tries to ESCAPE from Jail! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cQr5puDZaEU)   )

So I thought that if Murray is really MJ in disguise, maybe that's why TMZ made this reference to his teeth, for us to watch closer at his mouth, the way he talks, his teeth...which probably are FAKE! And that's why TMZ said that "Murray tells lies through his teeth about his relationship with the singer"! What relationship with the singer?? If Murray does NOT exist and the "doctor" is the singer himself!? lol So yeah Michael (Murray) lies (acts/pretends/hoax) through his fake teeth, playing the role of doctor Murray!

So if we're talking about a disguise and fake teeth, then maybe that's the reason why Murray (Michael)  can't speak as easily as he does normally. So that's why he pronounces DA TROOT instead of "THe truTH". To pronounce correctly the group of letters TH, you need to put your tongue THROUGH your TEETH! Maybe Murray (Michael) can't do that because of the dental prosthesis.  :icon_lol: :icon_lol:

In short, this is what I make of TMZ articles... if I read between the lines, of course lol or maybe between teeth!  :icon_lol:
---> READ DA TROOT (ESCAPISM, DISGUISE, HOAX) THROUGH MURRAY'S FAKE TEETH

well it's possible. when you look at that picture of the doctor murray in court and that doctor murray that had that light blue shirt on they look different. the one that was in the court room and that keeps appearing in those videos "the plea videos" or whatever you want to call them..well that guy looks short, about mj's height and smaller in size..like..average built, and the one i saw that had on that light blue t-shirt and baseball cap, he was tall..like very tall and looked chunky.they're different in height and size, which makes me think that someone could be acting like dr.murray. youl can't really see the guy's face in the picture where dr. murray has on that light blue t-shirt and baseball cap. the guy looks like him..but it looks like a totally different man. one even showed a guy with a baseball cap on and the man was really small. i mean REALLY small. so yeah i think it's possible that someone's pretending to be "dr. murray".
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bugsy on June 28, 2012, 07:00:16 PM
I use to think it couldn't be possible CM being MJ due to the eyes, the height, and other little things but after seeing the two pictures above and seeing the latest speach by Murray it gave me pause to think, I was searching for images of both men last night and i found it not easy to find one where i would compare and morph, when i found a good angled one exact to Murray pictures MJ most always had his glasses on.

because fans can tell MJ a lot, could he have worn the mask and glasses more often so it would be harder to see the likeness when it came to this point? it's just a thought only.

I saw some of Mj's younger images and I looked at the eyes, they don't look at deep as they did when the Vitiligo effecting his face and then his eyes became more and more deep. So as dr murray would his eyes stand out as they have done for the last 2 decades?(https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQLj_UYInNTFuT2Ez7f1gmpXL75j6c53b_-GwLeqtImdMzASBvc7w) (https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQkBZEEoTSV8Ubyw-Q6rEcV3v9579ogVc61S7AFgRS-h0MdCyav9g)

These are just thoughts, passing ones and wanted to see what others thought, I may not have said this properly since I have difficulties putting thoughts down on paper/to other people. So i mean no offense with this at all.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: SimPattyK on June 28, 2012, 07:48:27 PM
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@SimPattyk.... I love your montages thanks for taking your time and expose them!  :)
Thank you!



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As we have been talking about teeth a lot here, I thought that this is amusing:

The Jacksons this Wednesday before the "Good Morning America" show.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/tumblrm6by.jpg)

Look at Jermaine  :icon_mrgreen:
Thank you MaryK for the picture! now I am even more confident that Jermaine reads here  :icon_razz:
very charming picture, indeed!
lmao  :thjajaja121:
Tks for posting MaryK!!


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[ . . .  .]
TMZ:"Murray LIEs THROUGH his TEETH about his relationship with the singer"
[ . . . . ]
In short, this is what I make of TMZ articles... if I read between the lines, of course lol or maybe between teeth!  :icon_lol:
---> READ DA TROOT (ESCAPISM, DISGUISE, HOAX) THROUGH MURRAY'S FAKE TEETH

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/jermainesm.jpg)

Well what can I say?  ;D
Jermaine, I love how you smile "THROUGH your TEETH"  :icon_lol:


Remaining Jacksons will take the stage at Apollo Theater for first time since Michael Jackson's death - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/remaining-jacksons-stage-apollo-theater-time-michael-jackson-death-article-1.1103676)
"“It’s not as difficult as I thought it would be,” says Marlon Jackson, who, at 55, is closest in age to Michael.
He’s present with us onstage. We have a great time when we perform and we know he’s up there with us.”
Certainly, his image is. The show — which includes all the old hits from both the Jackson 5 and Jacksons phases of the group — features key video footage of their late brother."
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: suspicious mind on June 28, 2012, 09:40:15 PM
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I use to think it couldn't be possible CM being MJ due to the eyes, the height, and other little things but after seeing the two pictures above and seeing the latest speach by Murray it gave me pause to think, I was searching for images of both men last night and i found it not easy to find one where i would compare and morph, when i found a good angled one exact to Murray pictures MJ most always had his glasses on.

because fans can tell MJ a lot, could he have worn the mask and glasses more often so it would be harder to see the likeness when it came to this point? it's just a thought only.

I saw some of Mj's younger images and I looked at the eyes, they don't look at deep as they did when the Vitiligo effecting his face and then his eyes became more and more deep. So as dr murray would his eyes stand out as they have done for the last 2 decades?(https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQLj_UYInNTFuT2Ez7f1gmpXL75j6c53b_-GwLeqtImdMzASBvc7w) (https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQkBZEEoTSV8Ubyw-Q6rEcV3v9579ogVc61S7AFgRS-h0MdCyav9g)

These are just thoughts, passing ones and wanted to see what others thought, I may not have said this properly since I have difficulties putting thoughts down on paper/to other people. So i mean no offense with this at all.
(http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g405/suspectprime/eyecomparison.jpg)

what about this? is there something there or are we reaching.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on June 28, 2012, 10:29:04 PM
I'm sorry but Murray's eyes just aren't enough like Michael's... maybe he's wearing contacts...?
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 28, 2012, 10:32:08 PM
agree with you 100%

but even with contacts, the shape of the eyes are wrong.

i am going to re-post one of my earlier posts in this thread re: eyes.

Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 28, 2012, 10:33:32 PM
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didnt MJ say that he wore glasses to disguise the eyes, as they were an open window to his soul... (it was possibly someone else who said it about MJ)

i guess my point is, if you wnt your answer about CM being MJ, then look at CM's eyes. MJs eyes could never be disgiused no matter how much make up / fat suits he were to put on. they are distinct.

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/readers/2011/05/25/mj-thriller-dave-dave_1.jpg)


dead give away on the eyes...


(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-v1zM5GyqIj4/Tq5EFji2eDI/AAAAAAAACw0/9ofOHn_BCqk/s1600/MJ+1984+Say+Say+Say.jpg)


again the eyes...

(http://a.abcnews.com/images/2020/ht_mj_ghost_making_of_the_mayor_100624_ssh.jpg)


here is CM to refresh our memories...

(http://cdn2.gossipcenter.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/story_header/photos/dr-conrad-murray-mug-29.jpg)




now i am not saying it's not possible, because i too like MJfan7 in the back of my mind am waiting for CMs big reveal, peel off the face mask, etc. (i have a wild imagination) i mean wouldnt that be the icing on the cake... that the man who went to jail for the murder of MJ was MJ himself.. wouldnt that show the holes in the justice system...

but then when i look at CM's eyes, i dont see a trace of MJ....

not saying its not possible. but the eyes are for me the thing to go by... and MJ isnt there..


any other viewpoints on my post?
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: julia142 on June 28, 2012, 11:25:58 PM
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@mjonmind...

I really feel you are on to the right subject again. I have always thought that this Conrad Murray, just came out of no where, & ends up Michael Jackson's doctor was odd. How come there is no pictures of Conrad Murray with any of Michael's entourage of people? Not one photo of a guy that got sentenced to prison/jail for killing the king of pop, & not one leaked photo? I'm not buying it.

Where is CR serving his sentence? Where's the "jailhouse photo"?
Where's all the patients of his? he was a cardio doctor. Where's his credientials? Where did he go to school? Who were his classmates in grade school, high school, college frat boys? Where are all the people who knew "the CR"? What about family? his parents? Have we ever heard from them? C'mon he "KILLED" the king of pop.

Yikkkkeesss that Eddie Murphy as a fat woman, (in a sexy bikini) yiiiikkkkkeessss, there is no way I would've ever thought that was Eddie Murphy. That celelite looks down right authenic real.

IF, & SAY IF, CR is Michael don't you think that Michael would have to coverup, change, conceal every possible vein, scar, shape of eyes, nose, hands, veins in the hands, add scars, change ear shape, the list is endless.

If anything I feel Michael would have to add features, like scars, skin to areas, implants, cheeks, get rid of the dimple in the chin, those are all TELL TALE signs of "Michael Jackson". That's what the normal brain would be thinking. But us here looks for the "not so obvious" also.

I really feel like the perfect disguise for Michael is being black' Really who's going to think that Michael Jackson is actually disguised as a black man? The mainstream media dinosours have been always making rude comments about "his tooooo many plastic surgies", & bleaching his skin to be white, who would think about Michael actually faking his death & living his life as a black man again. I think that's BRILLIANT!

Again, I'm not saying that CR is Michael, but I can't find another explanation why CR magically came in Michael's life, not know how to do CPR, get sentenced to prison, not know where he is, & no pictures be leaked of him, can walk the beach & not have a soul around. I'm sorry it's not adding up.

If he didn't, he knows there is endless photos of him in every possible pose that would be disected to death. Which is has been on this forum. We don't miss a clue, or we try not too miss a clue.

I mean with technology, & remember Michael in Ghosts, c'mon people, he did it back then, & pulled it off. Men even have 6-pack abs added to their stomache cuz maybe they too lazy to work out to achieve that result, so hey lets just get an implant to look like 6-pack abs.

So MJonmind......I'm with you on this one. it's always been in the back of mind, but I'm pretty good at listening to the other voices in my head, they seem to argue with one another....lol

I'm glad you brought it up again. Because nothing of CR past or present adds up!

Which also leads to the question......if we say the courtroom trial was a fake,  we're all the people in the courtroom identified as being "actors/actresses"? I know I have never saw a courtroom with sooo many stuffed animals..hahaha.

I know the government even has "mock" courtrooms, they admit that.

Just like Where's Waldo?
Where's Conrad Murray?

I actually do think the same as you since a long time! Remember how Michael liked the work of Eddie Murphy? And why? Because Eddie Murphy was one of the first to integrate one person who does all the main characters of one movie. Doing the nice one and the bad one. Michael did it in Ghost, the nice one and the bad one) and since we all think that ''Ghost'' is one of the main puzzle of this hoax, I do think that the most shocking thing would be that Michael play the man that is supposed to have kill him. If you think that Michael is doing a movie since the start, just think what could be the most surprising things after the BAM. Michael is a genius, and he has always been around geniuses. I think that today, we can do whatever we want with make up and prosthetic make up. And who is the king of make up? Rick Baker,and I do think that Rick Baker knows everything, and helps him with this since the beginning.  Michael said he wanted to innovate in movie and take it to the next level, I do think he is doing it right now.

Also, you're right about Murray being nowhere before June 25th, cause today, with everything we have on the net, no one ever said that they knew Murray before the 2000' (his patients in court talked about 2000 and up), we don't have a single picture of him younger, except for the ID card of arrest (and it is not hard today to younger a person with photoshop, as they are able to make vanished kids older to find them). We have nothing on them. I did try in the past on google, and I tried with advanced search, and did a search from the 90's to June 24th 2009, and there was nothing on him, not a single thing on him, like he did not exist before. He is a doctor, so we were supposed to find something on him, but no, nada, nothing, zero. How weird is that!

Besides, just saying, even the one who don't think that Michael could be Murray, you all think that would be an explosive idea if Michael would have thought to play the role of the bad guy! So if you think it IS a good idea and that you know Michael well, don't you think that it couldn't be a possibility!  And if Michael is Murray, we can definitely say that it was a fake court, cause just think. the man that was in court was reponsible for his own death, lol!

And for the height? I met Michael in person, I am 5'6, and he was at least one head more than me, so near 5'11, so wearing shoes with integrated high heels inside the shoes would not be very difficult, I already heard before that this is something they can do in movies.

A lot of time, I looked at Murray'eye's, and I felt something so familiar a lot of times, espicially when we saw him looking directly in the camera, or when in the NBC interview, he looked at the journalist, and he says ''Part 2'' (that stroke me as odd), I feel Michael in him, and I do think, that it is not for nothing. I have been watching his every moves, his way of talking, his gestures and his eyes for 29 years now, and I definitely tell you, this is something Michael would do, and I really do feel that Michael could be into that body...

Remember, Annie are you ok....... Michael IS the Smooth Criminal, and I bet he knew already when he did that song!  :moonwalk_:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MJonmind on June 28, 2012, 11:48:12 PM
Great comments for both sides!

Julia142, lovely post, thank you!
And I had the exact same feeling as I looked into Murray's eyes in court-- very familiar feeling.  I constantly kept thinking, what if we are looking live into Michael's eyes, and my heart would go bump!! :affraid: :icon_razz: :icon_e_biggrin: :icon_e_confused:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: julia142 on June 28, 2012, 11:49:45 PM
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I've always and will always have a small belief that Conrad is Michael in disguise. It's always been in the back of my mind :suspect:
Exactly me!  And it's based on other things also--like his ability to perform the Mayor in Ghost, and DD on Larry King Live, and more.  It's funny to me that in the official movie world he was given such pathetic roles like his cameo appearances in Men in Black 2, and Miss Cast Away and the Island Girls.  As if he was so incapable, weak, and a has-been.  Even in the Murray documentary, Murray says how naive and like a child MJ was. If MJ is Murray, I doubt there is any actor who could act on this caliber. Like Thriller, Michael would have raised the bar so high again--never been done before. But that's a big IF... :icon_bounce:

I don't know but I think he did those roles, so people would not really know of what he is capable of. Remember, Sidney Lumet already said that he was a natural actor.

And don'r forget also that in the past, Michael said that he did not like acting, but liked beLIEving, he said in an interview, that he wanted 'real life actors' and ''real life acts'' so that people would beLIEve what they see  in the movie. This interview he did, I think it was in Ebony, gave me the answer that he is doing a movie, the movie that will be the most movie ever watch in the whole history.  A movie, that will have been beLIEved by the whole world (well except for us, loool), so this is what I think is pioneering the movies. He did in the music and break barriers and records, and I do think that he will do the same in movie. Remember how he said to Geraldo.with a smile that hides something, ''I love the ARTS''...

MJonmid, we have the same way of thinking, so don't feel like a fool, we are both in the same path!  ;D
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: julia142 on June 29, 2012, 12:07:27 AM
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I've always and will always have a small belief that Conrad is Michael in disguise. It's always been in the back of my mind :suspect:
Exactly me!  And it's based on other things also--like his ability to perform the Mayor in Ghost, and DD on Larry King Live, and more.  It's funny to me that in the official movie world he was given such pathetic roles like his cameo appearances in Men in Black 2, and Miss Cast Away and the Island Girls.  As if he was so incapable, weak, and a has-been.  Even in the Murray documentary, Murray says how naive and like a child MJ was. If MJ is Murray, I doubt there is any actor who could act on this caliber. Like Thriller, Michael would have raised the bar so high again--never been done before. But that's a big IF... :icon_bounce:

I don't know but I think he did those roles, so people would not really know of what he is capable of. Remember, Sidney Lumet already said that he was a natural actor.

And don'r forget also that in the past, Michael said that he did not like acting, but liked beLIEving, he said in an interview, that he wanted 'real life actors' and ''real life acts'' so that people would beLIEve what they see  in the movie. This interview he did, I think it was in Ebony, gave me the answer that he is doing a movie, the movie that will be the most movie ever watch in the whole history.  A movie, that will have been beLIEved by the whole world (well except for us, loool), so this is what I think is pioneering the movies. He did in the music and break barriers and records, and I do think that he will do the same in movie. Remember how he said to Geraldo.with a smile that hides something, ''I love the ARTS''...

MJonmid, we have the same way of thinking, so don't feel like a fool, we are both in the same path!  ;D
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Foun the interview I was speaking, here it is:

Ebony Magazin December 1984:


EBONY: Both Tatum and Brooke are fine actresses. You did all right in The Wiz. What’s in the future for you now in films?
MICHAEL: I’m very excited about a lot of things that I want to do and that I’m going to do in films and things. I really can’t wait….Since The Wiz, incredible offers have come to me, things that are still in the making.
EBONY: You once said that you will be careful about choosing your next role so that you won’t be typecast anymore. You said that since The Wiz, some people
still call you Scarecrow because of that character role you played.

MICHAEL: Whatever role you play, people link it with your personality. But it’s acting. You’re portraying another person….I wish it wasn’t called acting because I don’t really like actors. I mean, the word acting.
EBONY: Please elaborate.
MICHAEL: I don’t think acting should be acting. Acting, if you’re acting, you’re imitating realism. You should create realism. It should be called believing. You see, I
always was against it when I thought about acting. I don’t want to see an actor. I want to see a believer. I don’t want to see anybody that’s gonna imitate the truths. It’s not real then. I want to see a person that’s gonna believe the truth….That’s when you move an audience.
EBONY: What kind of questions do you wish you would be asked but nobody ever asks you?
MICHAEL: That’s a good question. Probably about children or writing, or what I just talked about….You don’t make a better world of minds and things when people
put the wrong things in their lyrics and give the wrong views on stage and everything. It’s just so important and I think this can lead so many people astray, because an artist can be built up so big in his career that this could change the whole world by what he does and thinks. They’ll listen to him before the President or any of these big politicians. You have to be careful. They could change these peoples’ way of life by what they say and do. That’s why it’s important to give off love vibes and that’s why I love what I do….When Marvin Gaye put out the album, What’s Going On, so many Blacks as well as Whites - but mainly Blacks-were educated. ‘Wake up. What’s going on? Wake up.’ I mean the ones that don’t watch the news, don’t read the papers to
really dig in the depths of humanism. What’s going on? Wake up.

Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: SimPattyK on June 29, 2012, 07:07:19 AM
@MjonMind & Julia142:  :beerchug: your last posts from the last 2 pages are AWESOME !!  :th_bravo: :th_bravo:

Julia, maybe you create some videos on this subject!! :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: LUNA on June 29, 2012, 08:08:28 AM
could murray be eddie murphy (or another actor?) in disguise? that could be the reason y we can't find any picture/skool friend/parent of him! his face could be only a mask....

*LUNA*
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: SimPattyK on June 29, 2012, 08:25:37 AM
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could murray be eddie murphy (or another actor?) in disguise? that could be the reason y we can't find any picture/skool friend/parent of him! his face could be only a mask....

*LUNA*


If another actor could do "the job" (role ) of Murray , then why take such efforts to disguise themselves as a man whom nobody knew before the hoax anyway? Why not just take a simple actor and give him the role?
If Murray is a disguise, then it's Michael behind him. I see no purpose in putting someone else than Michael in a Murray disguise.

Plus what Michael wants to achieve through this disguise is to make the world understand what he's been through during all those absurd trials "they" framed him of!
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: wishingstar on June 29, 2012, 08:57:49 AM
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I've always and will always have a small belief that Conrad is Michael in disguise. It's always been in the back of my mind :suspect:
Exactly me!  And it's based on other things also--like his ability to perform the Mayor in Ghost, and DD on Larry King Live, and more.  It's funny to me that in the official movie world he was given such pathetic roles like his cameo appearances in Men in Black 2, and Miss Cast Away and the Island Girls.  As if he was so incapable, weak, and a has-been.  Even in the Murray documentary, Murray says how naive and like a child MJ was. If MJ is Murray, I doubt there is any actor who could act on this caliber. Like Thriller, Michael would have raised the bar so high again--never been done before. But that's a big IF... :icon_bounce:

I don't know but I think he did those roles, so people would not really know of what he is capable of. Remember, Sidney Lumet already said that he was a natural actor.

And don'r forget also that in the past, Michael said that he did not like acting, but liked beLIEving, he said in an interview, that he wanted 'real life actors' and ''real life acts'' so that people would beLIEve what they see  in the movie. This interview he did, I think it was in Ebony, gave me the answer that he is doing a movie, the movie that will be the most movie ever watch in the whole history.  A movie, that will have been beLIEved by the whole world (well except for us, loool), so this is what I think is pioneering the movies. He did in the music and break barriers and records, and I do think that he will do the same in movie. Remember how he said to Geraldo.with a smile that hides something, ''I love the ARTS''...

MJonmid, we have the same way of thinking, so don't feel like a fool, we are both in the same path!  ;D
<

Foun the interview I was speaking, here it is:

Ebony Magazin December 1984:


EBONY: Both Tatum and Brooke are fine actresses. You did all right in The Wiz. What’s in the future for you now in films?
MICHAEL: I’m very excited about a lot of things that I want to do and that I’m going to do in films and things. I really can’t wait….Since The Wiz, incredible offers have come to me, things that are still in the making.
EBONY: You once said that you will be careful about choosing your next role so that you won’t be typecast anymore. You said that since The Wiz, some people
still call you Scarecrow because of that character role you played.

MICHAEL: Whatever role you play, people link it with your personality. But it’s acting. You’re portraying another person….I wish it wasn’t called acting because I don’t really like actors. I mean, the word acting.
EBONY: Please elaborate.
MICHAEL: I don’t think acting should be acting. Acting, if you’re acting, you’re imitating realism. You should create realism. It should be called believing. You see, I
always was against it when I thought about acting. I don’t want to see an actor. I want to see a believer. I don’t want to see anybody that’s gonna imitate the truths. It’s not real then. I want to see a person that’s gonna believe the truth….That’s when you move an audience.
EBONY: What kind of questions do you wish you would be asked but nobody ever asks you?
MICHAEL: That’s a good question. Probably about children or writing, or what I just talked about….You don’t make a better world of minds and things when people
put the wrong things in their lyrics and give the wrong views on stage and everything. It’s just so important and I think this can lead so many people astray, because an artist can be built up so big in his career that this could change the whole world by what he does and thinks. They’ll listen to him before the President or any of these big politicians. You have to be careful. They could change these peoples’ way of life by what they say and do. That’s why it’s important to give off love vibes and that’s why I love what I do….When Marvin Gaye put out the album, What’s Going On, so many Blacks as well as Whites - but mainly Blacks-were educated. ‘Wake up. What’s going on? Wake up.’ I mean the ones that don’t watch the news, don’t read the papers to
really dig in the depths of humanism. What’s going on? Wake up.



This is an amazing interview......thank you so much for posting it! I love the line, "I want to see a believer."........
here we are Michael : )
I bolded the last portion because I think it's an essence of his true character and understanding of his talents.  If more of Hollywood would have this view, it would already be that better world.  The fact that people do follow the words and actions of their favorite stars is a dangerous thing.....sometimes.  I say this only because if you look at Hollywood as a whole....it's degrading to society.....what we call entertainment is full of violence and sex.  Of course, not all films, videos, songs are that...there are plenty of great artists out there.  However, the negatives can out-weigh the positives with dire consequences for the minds of our youth in particular.  Girls who have poor self-esteem because they are not a size zero, guys that think it's OK to be violent, couples that divorce just because they can, kids that are so jaded they don't believe in fairy-tales anymore...the list goes on and on.  The latest movie to be released is a good example, ironically named, Magic Mike.
It's about a guy who strips...apparently really well......all beefcake.  He's torn between having a fantasy life and having found love.  Teenage girls are going crazy, married women are going crazy....heck gay guys are going crazy........now, please don't think me a prude.  I am not.  I just have a more dignified approach to being entertained.  All this comes back to exactly what Michael was saying in the interview.  Actors are in a powerful position to make a change for a better society.  Placing morals and values beneath the almighty dollar is rampant.  Sex sells.....it's like cheating at Scrabble....it's the easy way to formulate a story...just include hot guys, hot gals.  It's far more difficult to rely upon the imagination to be entertained or to extend a positive message.  For all the good that Hollywood has done over the years, it's done more damage, I am afraid.  It holds a powerful sword....and knows full well how to use it.  The funny thing is, a "G" rated movie is fairly non-existent these days.....so we move to "PG".....still a "PG" will often times outdo the "R" in grossing revenue.  Yet, Hollywood still churns out the violence, the sex....for that quick buck.  Well.....we all know what rhymes with buck. 

Great, great article...thank you again for posting it.  What a great glimpse into the mind of a wonderful genius.....such a gift. 
Blessings Always!

PS>
And, no...I won't be seeing Magic Mike......I was asked last night by two really good friends if I wanted to go tonight.  I told them no thanks........
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: LUNA on June 29, 2012, 09:03:21 AM
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If another actor could do "the job" (role ) of Murray , then why take such efforts to disguise themselves as a man whom nobody knew before the hoax anyway? Why not just take a simple actor and give him the role?
If Murray is a disguise, then it's Michael behind him. I see no purpose in putting someone else than Michael in a Murray disguise.Plus what Michael wants to achieve through this disguise is to make the world understand what he's been through during all those absurd trials "they" framed him of!



in my opinion,the reason could be simple:if mj had used an actor without disguising,we could have known him/have looked 4 his past (pictures,friends). but this is only an hypotesis... moreover,we can't understand the reason y mike has used an actor/himself in disguise 4 this role;we can find many hypotesis of plans,reasons,etc... murray could impersonate mj,or could be only a character 4 making us understand many thongs that have happened in mj's life and so on.

*LUNA*
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bugsy on June 29, 2012, 09:57:28 AM
I was playing with a program top two Murray (same pic) and the bottom 2 of Michael, one from around thriller time and one from a court hearing I think

I'm not so sure about them looking the same, VERY similar, but my eyes are never that good at this kind of thing
(http://members.iinet.net.au/~pommy_angel/eyes.jpg)

was looking around on youtube and I haven't got much time at the moment to look back on this thread to see if someone has put this video since it was done October 2009 the chances are it's been shown before but still very interesting.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yESGptNNsJ0&feature=related[/youtube]

Off to chase some very naughty bunny's and bed, have a good day to those on the other side of the world!
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: LUNA on June 29, 2012, 11:54:10 AM
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I was playing with a program top two Murray (same pic) and the bottom 2 of Michael, one from around thriller time and one from a court hearing I think

I'm not so sure about them looking the same, VERY similar, but my eyes are never that good at this kind of thing
(http://members.iinet.net.au/~pommy_angel/eyes.jpg)


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oh my god! these eyes.....   :errrr:

*LUNA*
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: ~Souza~ on June 29, 2012, 02:21:58 PM
Murray's eyes are to close to one another, that is the only thing that throws me off. Other than that he could probably pull it off. It's Hollyweird after all. If Jolie can be a dude, MJ could be Murray. It's just the distance between the eyes that seems to be off.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: LUNA on June 29, 2012, 02:31:33 PM
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Murray's eyes are to close to one another, that is the only thing that throws me off. Other than that he could probably pull it off. It's Hollyweird after all. If Jolie can be a dude, MJ could be Murray. It's just the distance between the eyes that seems to be off.

souza,maybe,u'r right,but,remember,that a distance between 2 eyes can seem different when make up has been used on them! i don't know whether those eyes belong 2 the same person,but,looking at them,i can say that it could be not impossible.....

*LUNA*
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: ~Souza~ on June 29, 2012, 02:35:49 PM
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Murray's eyes are to close to one another, that is the only thing that throws me off. Other than that he could probably pull it off. It's Hollyweird after all. If Jolie can be a dude, MJ could be Murray. It's just the distance between the eyes that seems to be off.

souza,maybe,u'r right,but,remember,that a distance between 2 eyes can seem different when make up has been used on them! i don't know whether those eyes belong 2 the same person,but,looking at them,i can say that it could be not impossible.....

*LUNA*


Sure, make up can do a lot, but it can't literally move your eyes. Don't think I didn't pull the two in Photoshop already back in '09.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: LUNA on June 29, 2012, 02:55:38 PM
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Sure, make up can do a lot, but it can't literally move your eyes. Don't think I didn't pull the two in Photoshop already back in '09.


and so.... if u've pull the eyes in photoshop and u've seen the difference with the eyes distance,then we can definitively say that murray and mj r not the same person  :'( it's a proof! what a pity! i liked 2 think mj=murray.

*LUNA*





Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on June 29, 2012, 04:23:12 PM
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Murray's eyes are to close to one another, that is the only thing that throws me off. Other than that he could probably pull it off. It's Hollyweird after all. If Jolie can be a dude, MJ could be Murray. It's just the distance between the eyes that seems to be off.

Plus if you stare at Murray's eyes you can perfectly notice that the iris of Murray's left eye is towards up however the iris of his right eye is placed in the middle of the eye (sorry I can't explain it better, hope you understand it).
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bugsy on June 29, 2012, 08:44:07 PM
when I was messing with the photos in a makeup program, I noticed that the eyes are the same space apart, the nose aligns but Murrays eyes are smaller, much smaller however can't find any  of Michael without glasses and looking straight on and recent, i think that does change the features as we see them because they aren't straight on.
 I don't like pictures taken of me straight on i look terrible so I turn my head slightly to one side, so definitely makes a difference to how you look. I might stop trying to find one of Michael looking straight on and concentrate on looking for one of Murray looking the same angle, can't be that hard.

 I can't get a good high quality picture of Murray that when I zoom in it becomes blurry with pixels anyone found a picture of Murray in High resolution and good quality?
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: LUNA on June 30, 2012, 03:58:46 AM
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Sure, make up can do a lot, but it can't literally move your eyes. Don't think I didn't pull the two in Photoshop already back in '09.


and so.... if u've pull the eyes in photoshop and u've seen the difference with the eyes distance,then we can definitively say that murray and mj r not the same person  :'( it's a proof! what a pity! i liked 2 think mj=murray. souza,y don't u try 2 do the same work (photoshop) with jermy's eyes?  :icon_mrgreen:

*LUNA*

Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MJonmind on June 30, 2012, 04:38:26 AM
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I was playing with a program top two Murray (same pic) and the bottom 2 of Michael, one from around thriller time and one from a court hearing I think

(http://members.iinet.net.au/~pommy_angel/eyes.jpg)
Thanks so much for doing this! It helps the discussion a lot! The similarity is close enough for me to continue to pursue this, and not rule out the possibility.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: SimPattyK on June 30, 2012, 04:57:42 AM
yes, this eyes-montage is great! thanks @ leilani81 !!
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Chicana on June 30, 2012, 11:19:12 PM
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I use to think it couldn't be possible CM being MJ due to the eyes, the height, and other little things but after seeing the two pictures above and seeing the latest speach by Murray it gave me pause to think, I was searching for images of both men last night and i found it not easy to find one where i would compare and morph, when i found a good angled one exact to Murray pictures MJ most always had his glasses on.

because fans can tell MJ a lot, could he have worn the mask and glasses more often so it would be harder to see the likeness when it came to this point? it's just a thought only.

I saw some of Mj's younger images and I looked at the eyes, they don't look at deep as they did when the Vitiligo effecting his face and then his eyes became more and more deep. So as dr murray would his eyes stand out as they have done for the last 2 decades?(https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQLj_UYInNTFuT2Ez7f1gmpXL75j6c53b_-GwLeqtImdMzASBvc7w) (https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQkBZEEoTSV8Ubyw-Q6rEcV3v9579ogVc61S7AFgRS-h0MdCyav9g)

These are just thoughts, passing ones and wanted to see what others thought, I may not have said this properly since I have difficulties putting thoughts down on paper/to other people. So i mean no offense with this at all.
(http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g405/suspectprime/eyecomparison.jpg)

what about this? is there something there or are we reaching.

who is that guy in the grey and white picture? that looks like a much younger version of conrad murray...where did you find it?
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Chicana on June 30, 2012, 11:28:02 PM
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I was playing with a program top two Murray (same pic) and the bottom 2 of Michael, one from around thriller time and one from a court hearing I think

I'm not so sure about them looking the same, VERY similar, but my eyes are never that good at this kind of thing
(http://members.iinet.net.au/~pommy_angel/eyes.jpg)

was looking around on youtube and I haven't got much time at the moment to look back on this thread to see if someone has put this video since it was done October 2009 the chances are it's been shown before but still very interesting.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yESGptNNsJ0&feature=related[/youtube]

Off to chase some very naughty bunny's and bed, have a good day to those on the other side of the world!

those eyes on the 3rd row looks too much like dave dave's eyes.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Chicana on June 30, 2012, 11:59:37 PM
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y137/brieizhere84/f22da424.png)

turn your head sideways to the right to look at LKL dave dave's eyes. and it's just something that sticks out to me..when "dave dave" said "caused all this", that sounded like mj...makes me really think it's him. even his eyebrows look like mj's eyebrows..they're really barely there...you can hardly see his eyebrows..but i can see the same shape and everything.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Andrea on July 01, 2012, 12:04:58 AM
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(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y137/brieizhere84/f22da424.png)

turn your head sideways to the right to look at LKL dave dave's eyes. and it's just something that sticks out to me..when "dave dave" said "caused all this", that sounded like mj...makes me really think it's him. even his eyebrows look like mj's eyebrows..they're really barely there...you can hardly see his eyebrows..but i can see the same shape and everything.

That smaller pic of Dave Dave's eyes reminds me of the mayor's eyes in Ghosts, LOL.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: voiceforthesilent on July 01, 2012, 12:19:40 AM
@Chicana - that picture is of a "supposed" younger Murray.

MJ can change height!! (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=7570.msg231347#msg231347)

I remember this discussion before and even though I can't find what I was looking for this thread that I posted the link to was interesting when it came to this subject.

I've thought for a long time that Sidney Pointier (sp?) could be Murray. They have the same build, same height, and Sidney is a great actor. But Michael seems logical too if this is a movie. The thing that trips me up about Murray is that beLIEvers researched Murray's medical license and found it to be legit. If he were a made up character how can there be a license?

Blessings

PS - Dave Dave is what first caught my attention as a non-beLIEver. I noticed the eyes right away and then the phrasing of his sentences. To this day I believe that was Michael. Dave Dave on LKL is what got me searching for the truth.

Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bugsy on July 01, 2012, 01:01:54 AM
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@Chicana - that picture is of a "supposed" younger Murray.

MJ can change height!! (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=7570.msg231347#msg231347)

I remember this discussion before and even though I can't find what I was looking for this thread that I posted the link to was interesting when it came to this subject.

I've thought for a long time that Sidney Pointier (sp?) could be Murray. They have the same build, same height, and Sidney is a great actor. But Michael seems logical too if this is a movie. The thing that trips me up about Murray is that beLIEvers researched Murray's medical license and found it to be legit. If he were a made up character how can there be a license?

Blessings

PS - Dave Dave is what first caught my attention as a non-beLIEver. I noticed the eyes right away and then the phrasing of his sentences. To this day I believe that was Michael. Dave Dave on LKL is what got me searching for the truth.

The medical License though starts he was born in 1958, Conrad Robert Murray in the trial and now giving us these lovely videos was born in 1953. It says it was suspended due the verdict of manslaughter. I've been wondering if something could be added to the database and not be real, after all Murray isn't running around practising medicine, it's suspended. What harm could there be to put person in saying they have a medical license which ultimately they can not use anyways because it's suspended?  his license as of this moment is as legitamate to use as a child having a toy sherif badge, neither can legally be used.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: eternalflame on July 01, 2012, 01:43:31 AM
Just the fact that Murray has no "past" doesn´t convince me CM is MJ.
Maybe I´ve watched too many spy movies but I´m sure, if Murray is into any CIA thing or sth, they are able to remove all personal dates.

And I´m with you voice, Dave Dave on LKL is what convinced me either. When I saw his vid I just fell off my chair.
I never had such a reaction while watching CM.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: SimPattyK on July 01, 2012, 02:47:20 AM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QsPeC2uDUw[/youtube]
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bugsy on July 01, 2012, 03:15:25 AM
what I find suspicious is the lack of any good high quality images of Dave Dave on Larry king and no good high qaulity footage of Murray in pictures, ones that you can really zoom in on. The selection of images are very limited.

I'm more certain Dave Dave on larry king is Michael than Murray being Michael, i just don't know either way with Murray, some things match and then logical creeps in and then i think "maybe not" but logic really has no part is this at all. i just want one really good image of Murray it seems impossible


*edit* adding pic back in, various changes in a persons eyes
(http://www.iinet.net.au/~pommy_angel/eyezlotsofeyes.jpg)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bugsy on July 01, 2012, 03:28:09 AM
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QsPeC2uDUw[/youtube]

so the connection has been made with the pink but what does it mean? what is the message behind the pink? pointing it out that it's a hoax? or is there something more to it?

 
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on July 01, 2012, 07:28:12 AM
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And don'r forget also that in the past, Michael said that he did not like acting, but liked beLIEving, he said in an interview, that he wanted 'real life actors' and ''real life acts'' so that people would beLIEve what they see  in the movie. This interview he did, I think it was in Ebony, gave me the answer that he is doing a movie, the movie that will be the most movie ever watch in the whole history.  A movie, that will have been beLIEved by the whole world (well except for us, loool), so this is what I think is pioneering the movies. He did in the music and break barriers and records, and I do think that he will do the same in movie. Remember how he said to Geraldo.with a smile that hides something, ''I love the ARTS''...


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Remember how he said to Geraldo.with a smile that hides something, ''I love the ARTS''..

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i48rq0CTWpw&feature=related [/youtube]

Yes, I remember this interview, thank you for bringing this up. It is a great and open interview in which Michael shares his passion about directing and film making, with emphasis on creation and imo it gives a glimpse of Michael's amazing ideas and plans for movies, and I believe they will be innovative, groundbreaking and ART beyond borders.
Inspite of all the great posts and rather convincing theories here, I still have doubts of MJ being CM (because of the eyes), though I have an open mind and EVERYTHING is possible in hoax and movie perspectives.

L.O.V.E.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bugsy on July 01, 2012, 08:16:55 AM
ALL Michael Jackson Vibe Interview (http://www.allmichaeljackson.com/interviews/geraldorivera.html)

I like that site it gives you a run down of what's said in the interviews, I have noticed in some there is missing parts but for the most part it's pretty good, especially if you want to bring up a certain part of the interview :)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: SimPattyK on July 01, 2012, 10:30:46 AM
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/030.jpg)

Michael Jackson is ALIVE - PINK Panther disguise (DR Murray) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3QsPeC2uDUw)


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so the connection has been made with the pink but what does it mean? what is the message behind the pink? pointing it out that it's a hoax? or is there something more to it?

I am not very good when it comes to explaining my montages. I simply think the images speak for themselves. Anyone trying to transfer them into words would fail, me included!

I can only tell you this: taking into account EVERYTHING that I saw, listened, watched, I came to the conclusion that just like in the "Black and White" video, where at the end Michael transforms into a black panther, when he started to plan the hoax he thought of disguising himself into a black man.... who would of think that it could be him?? All the ignorant people who think he's a racist because he "made himself look whiter", most of them have no idea he suffered from vitiligo and even if they know about it, they choose to ignore that and still prefer to believe that he wanted to be white!
Ok so Michael chose to "play" again with the meaning of black and white, him - white now, turning black again (through Murray disguise) --->> Murray symbolizes the black panther at the end of the "Black and White" video!! I guess you all  saw the dozens of hoax-videos explaining the strong symbolism of that video, especially the Black Panther-dance at the end of it!!
In short: Michael's fight against the system, against the racism, against the "Royals", the elite, the Illuminati!!

Here's one of those videos
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wB6p63mxWE[/youtube]


Now what's up with the PINK??
What a better analogy than the PINK panther! and the detective movie 'The RETURN of the PINK panther" to suggest to his fans, his believers that he's still ALIVE and that we need to turn ourselves into 'small" detectives - Clouseau in order to understand him and his hoax! Michael included us in this hoax! He even found us a disguise too in order to play with him in his movie! We are disguised as detective Clouseau lolll waiting for his Return, the Pink panther's return!

If Murray was for real Michael's killer, why would Michael's mother and brothers wear PINK, just like the murderer of their brother and son??
Instead, if we look at it as Murray being Michael in disguise, we can see that in fact they assort their clothes in order to show their support for Michael and his pink panther disguise.

I did a lot of talking here ^^ I hope i could make some more sense about what I had in mind when doing those montages and this video above ^^


I think I'd better let you take a look at these photos to visualize it all. Photos are best "speakers" loll


(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/005a.jpg)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/009a.jpg)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/005.jpg)


They are all BLACK/PINK  Panthers in this , helping Michael to achieve his goal!
They fight for a common goal!


(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/011.jpg)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/021wew.jpg)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/027.jpg)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/028hoh.jpg)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/029.jpg)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/031.jpg)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/princejame.jpg)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bugsy on July 01, 2012, 11:26:46 AM
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(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/030.jpg)

Michael Jackson is ALIVE - PINK Panther disguise (DR Murray) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3QsPeC2uDUw)


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so the connection has been made with the pink but what does it mean? what is the message behind the pink? pointing it out that it's a hoax? or is there something more to it?

I am not very good when it comes to explaining my montages. I simply think the images speak for themselves. Anyone trying to transfer them into words would fail, me included!

I can only tell you this: taking into account EVERYTHING that I saw, listened, watched, I came to the conclusion that just like in the "Black and White" video, where at the end Michael transforms into a black panther, when he started to plan the hoax he thought of disguising himself into a black man.... who would of think that it could be him?? All the ignorant people who think he's a racist because he "made himself look whiter", most of them have no idea he suffered from vitiligo and even if they know about it, they choose to ignore that and still prefer to believe that he wanted to be white!
Ok so Michael chose to "play" again with the meaning of black and white, him - white now, turning black again (through Murray disguise) --->> Murray symbolizes the black panther at the end of the "Black and White" video!! I guess you all  saw the dozens of hoax-videos explaining the strong symbolism of that video, especially the Black Panther-dance at the end of it!!
In short: Michael's fight against the system, against the racism, against the "Royals", the elite, the Illuminati!!

Here's one of those videos
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wB6p63mxWE[/youtube]


Now what's up with the PINK??
What a better analogy than the PINK panther! and the detective movie 'The RETURN of the PINK panther" to suggest to his fans, his believers that he's still ALIVE and that we need to turn ourselves into 'small" detectives - Clouseau in order to understand him and his hoax! Michael included us in this hoax! He even found us a disguise too in order to play with him in his movie! We are disguised as detective Clouseau lolll waiting for his Return, the Pink panther's return!

If Murray was for real Michael's killer, why would Michael's mother and brothers wear PINK, just like the murderer of their brother and son??
Instead, if we look at it as Murray being Michael in disguise, we can see that in fact they assort their clothes in order to show their support for Michael and his pink panther disguise.

I did a lot of talking here ^^ I hope i could make some more sense about what I had in mind when doing those montages and this video above ^^


I think I'd better let you take a look at these photos to visualize it all. Photos are best "speakers" loll


(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/005a.jpg)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/009a.jpg)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/005.jpg)


They are all BLACK/PINK  Panthers in this , helping Michael to achieve his goal!
They fight for a common goal!


(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/011.jpg)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/021wew.jpg)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/027.jpg)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/028hoh.jpg)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/029.jpg)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/031.jpg)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/princejame.jpg)

Ahhh, gotcha, now i'm with you... I thought that we are playing the role of detective Clouseau too it makes sense what you've said, I noticed a lot of pink panther connections with fronts posts and the teddy in the court room but I never noticed the rest of the pink, I went and watched the move to see why there was a lot of pink panther being mentioned, I noticed a lot of connections to Mj in the movie its self, I laughed out loud at the zorro mask part, and then when tornado is found dead and detective Clouseau  doesn't believe the tornado is dead and the dna came in that it matched and then the non believers shunned him, and he turned out to be correct.. made me laugh too, I didn't know what to think about the whole tornado turning out to be a woman, I contemplated maybe Michael was in disguise as a woman LOL.. but... after reading your post... Now it could mean his in diguise as the oppersite in color instead instead of gender. 

and then your connections... they make perfect sense to me now :D thanks! I have seen these pink connections several times and I scratched my head because I couldn't find the purpose of them.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: SimPattyK on July 01, 2012, 11:47:01 AM
@leilani81: thank you for your feedback and letting me know that I managed to pass the message clearly!
I was starting to wonder... because I received a lot of question marks and negative replies on FB too. It seems I really need to do some written explanation , too. I simply thought the pictures speak for themselves. At least to me! loll at least the way I visualize them...



@leilani81: Regarding your montage from above ^^ with several pair of eyes comparison. you asked if we can tell which ones belong to the same person. i think it's very hard, if almost impossible to distinguish or to find similarities between those eyes.
There are 2 reasons:
1. They are female eyes, with different make-up (eye contour) - which completely changes them.
2. you cannot distinguish between the eyes of people whose face you've never seen... or you never seen the expression in their eyes at various times/situations.

I think every fan has been fascinated with Michael's beautiful intense eyes.
I know we cannot be 100% sure that Murray = Michael, but there's always been something Michael-ish about Murray's eyes...or at least the way he looked sometimes towards the cameras!!
Sometimes his eyes don't seem to be Michael's, but sometimes they are almost exactly like his eyes!
I think make-up can do wonders!! they could have covered the corners of his eyes with fake skin stuck around the eyes to make them look smaller than Michael's or change their shape, make them look rounder... I think eye-contacts might have been used to at times... maybe at specific hoax-moments, they left the eyes with no amount of make-up, just for us to be able to recognize him!! and other times, they stressed the male-up more to hide the resemblance and create confusion!!
The height-differences can be faked too.
ANYTHING can be done with nowadays technology!!
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bugsy on July 01, 2012, 11:56:42 AM
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@leilani81: thank you for your feedback and letting me know that I managed to pass the message clearly!
I was starting to wonder... because I received a lot of question marks and negative replies on FB too. It seems I really need to do some written explanation , too. I simply thought the pictures speak for themselves. At least to me! loll at least the way I visualize them...



@leilani81: Regarding your montage from above ^^ with several pair of eyes comparison. you asked if we can tell which ones belong to the same person. i think it's very hard, if almost impossible to distinguish or to find similarities between those eyes.
There are 2 reasons:
1. They are female eyes, with different make-up (eye contour) - which completely changes them.
2. you cannot distinguish between the eyes of people whose face you've never seen... or you never seen the expression in their eyes at various times/situations.

I think every fan has been fascinated with Michael's beautiful intense eyes.
I know we cannot be 100% sure that Murray = Michael, but there's always been something Michael-ish about Murray's eyes...or at least the way he looked sometimes towards the cameras!!
Sometimes his eyes don't seem to be Michael's, but sometimes they are almost exactly like his eyes!
I think make-up can do wonders!! they could have covered the corners of his eyes with fake skin stuck around the eyes to make them look smaller than Michael's or change their shape, make them look rounder... I think eye-contacts might have been used to at times... maybe at specific hoax-moments, they left the eyes with no amount of make-up, just for us to be able to recognize him!! and other times, they stressed the male-up more to hide the resemblance and create confusion!!
The height-differences can be faked too.
ANYTHING can be done with nowadays technology!!

Doh, I removed the picture not realizing anyone had replied to them. They were all my eyes :P I was trying to pick a profile picture for here and realized that my eyes changed a lot and thought about murrays eyes being smaller from my perspective and saw that in a couple of photos my eyes were round (naturally) and in others they were more narrow with the use of eye liner being used from corner to corner, so wanted to see if people could establish if they were the same or not, of course one set of my eyes were pre freedom so they were very lacking in life but all the more reason I thought to add them. 
I think in the end the result I was trying to show is the what you've just explained perfectly :D
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: wishingstar on July 01, 2012, 12:04:04 PM
@SIM......
Your new avatar and sig are awesome!
 :-*

Your PINK montage/info is truly amazing.  I have said a million times.....you're an artist with these. 
Thank you for all you do.......

@leilani81....you have had really great posts with great thoughts...thank you for sharing them : )

Blessings Always


Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: SimPattyK on July 01, 2012, 12:20:34 PM
@Wishy : aww! Thank you sis' ! I was sure you would love them  :icon_e_wink:

Well if I am an artist, as you say loll then I am the product of Michael Jackson death hoax! He's been my inspiration all along!!


I agree with you, @leilani81 has made some interesting posts! Go on like this, you shouldn't have deleted your eyes-montage, it was interesting. So that was all your eyes? Interesting!! At least 2 of them seemed to be a different person! I just noticed you placed a photo of yourself in the avatar, nice to meet you! pretty girl!
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: SimPattyK on July 01, 2012, 01:22:17 PM
"You Remind Me Of A Black Panther" Michael Jackson

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtjrtfG-7ww&feature=channel&list=UL[/youtube]


" Twitter (http://twitter.com/#!/TheMJAP) - TheMJAP   - TheMJAcademiaProject's channel - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/TheMJAcademiaProject)
An academic analysis of the greatest catalogue of the modern pop-era.
On the 20th Anniversary of the worldwide premiere of 'Black or White'

1. "You Remind Me Of A Black Panther"


Part One  - On 14 November 1991 the music video for Michael Jackson's new single, 'Black Or White', was premiered. The film was the most anticipated music video of all time and was televised simultaneously on MTV, VH1, BET, Fox and on channels around the world.
The musical portion of the film begins with a suburban, white father being transported to Africa. Michael Jackson is introduced, dancing among native Zulus."
____________________________________________________________________


Interesting! Conrad Murray's verdict was given on November 7th,  2011.
This YT channel was created on November 12th, 2011 ( notice, age 53) and started posting on November 13th, 2011.


2. "Some Things In Life They Just Don't Want To See" Michael Jackson

Part Two - Following the events of 1993, Michael Jackson's life and career headed into freefall as he was threatened with the loss of his liberty, his legacy and his place in history. It was at this moment that he chose to channel the anger and upset that he felt from the numerous false accusations and allegations levelled at him into his music and into his films.

Where his previous work had referred to his political beliefs and affiliations obliquely, Jackson's HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I project was much more explicit.

'The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy'. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr."

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbDi-X_1pAM&feature=channel&list=UL[/youtube]

____________________________________________________________________


3. "As Jacked As It Sounds, The Whole System Sucks!"

Part Three - Michael Jackson's response to the 1993 allegations took it's shape in the form of the 1995 double-album, HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I. Disc One was a greatest hits compilation. Disc Two however, was a new album full of songs presenting Jackson's take on every single aspect of the case.
From his feelings towards his accusers to his feelings towards the media and even down to the details of the settlement of the case.

The release of the album was trailed around the world with a short-film which drew further controversy for it's haunting parallels of the Adolf Hitler Nazi propaganda film, Triumph of the Will.
"If you hear a lie often enough you believe it." Michael Jackson
"If you repeat a lie often enough it becomes the truth." Joseph Goebbels (Adolf Hitler's Nazi propaganda minister)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iJSaRszYPg[/youtube]

"As Jacked As It Sounds, The Whole System Sucks!" Michael Jackson | Chapter Two - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgWuJLOPTok&feature=channel&list=UL)

____________________________________________________________________

4. "To Lie And Shame The Race"

Recommended reading:

- Unforgivable Blackness: The Rise and Fall of Jack Johnson by Geoffrey C. Ward (2004).
- Muhammad Ali: His Life and Times by Thomas Hauser (1992).
- Huey P. Newton: The Radical Theorist By Judson L. Jeffries (2002).

Part Four - Michael Jackson's adult career was sabotaged whilst at its absolute zenith. Jackson, himself, believed that he was the latest victim of a racist system that had claimed numerous black luminaries before him.

In a radio interview with the Reverend Jesse Jackson, conducted in the midst of his 2005 trial, Jackson named some of his fellow 'black luminaries' -- Jack Johnson, Nelson Mandela, Jesse Owens and Muhammad Ali. By doing so Jackson put himself into historical context with unerring accuracy.

"I have been the object of lies and propaganda by powerful reactionary groups who, by their influence and by the aid of America's yellow press, have created an unhealthy atmosphere in which liberal-minded individuals can be singled out and persecuted."
Charlie Chaplin
After being investigated under the Mann Act in 1944

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUxnHMa1omY&feature=channel&list=UL[/youtube]

"To Lie And Shame The Race" Michael Jackson | Jack. Michael. Muhammad. Chapter Two - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY9ZdfDIBig&feature=channel&list=UL)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MJonmind on July 01, 2012, 02:09:39 PM
Simpa and Leilani81, great posts and work!  I believe it's there, just not easily found on the surface.  Once your eyes are opened to the possibility, faith grows!  Simpa, you explained the "pink" better to aid your montages, sufficiently.
So !!!   Eyes--done!  Clever toying/hinting with us in words and colors--done!  We got ya Michael!  It's time to move to the next level.

I was wondering if some real digging could be done in what could be done in cinematic tools for increasing Murray's height.
THAT is the final challenge, frontier!  I believe he deliberately chose height as advanced trickery to forever make his disguise unrecognized or believed by his most devout fans.  We can do it!  Are there other movies that have done this besides Lord of the Rings. I know way back I posted some videos of the behind-the-scene techniques used for Gandalf and the hobbits. But I don't have time now. That movie was done years ago, and perhaps there are better options available now.

How did they get the Hobbits to look so small in LOTR? - Straight Dope Message Board (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=163382)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on July 01, 2012, 04:05:09 PM
MJonmind mentioned in a previous post about Rick Baker, who did the transformations in the "Thriller" video.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iYPtC6ux7xI/TsP6Gpw5K6I/AAAAAAAAFYo/VEvErcM5LZ0/s1600/33899_1295789134809_1832769948_595652_1498353_n.jpg)

I found an interview about his work, the masks and special techniques to make as real as possible faces and even facial expressions and about the "Thriller" project:

Rick Baker Interview | Archive of American Television (http://www.emmytvlegends.org/interviews/people/rick-baker)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRY9cElE3Vk [/youtube]

L.O.V.E.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: onthewingsoflove on July 01, 2012, 06:03:49 PM
I remember this discussion also.  I also remember that what convinced me about Dave Dave on Larry King was the fact that I turned my back on that video and listened to Dave Dave and the voice sent shivers up my spine. "That's Michael!" I said. I even compared some words from Dave in that interview with the same words by Michael in some of his earlier interviews and again shivers went up my spine! But I can turn my back on any of the videos of Murray and I don't hear it, sorry no shivers! ;o)

Blessing!
OnTheWingsOfLove
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: paula-c on July 01, 2012, 08:20:52 PM
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@SimPattyk.... I love your montages thanks for taking your time and expose them!  :)
Thank you!



From this thread: Dr Murray How DARE you judge me (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22861.50)

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As we have been talking about teeth a lot here, I thought that this is amusing:

The Jacksons this Wednesday before the "Good Morning America" show.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/tumblrm6by.jpg)

Look at Jermaine  :icon_mrgreen:
Thank you MaryK for the picture! now I am even more confident that Jermaine reads here  :icon_razz:
very charming picture, indeed!
lmao  :thjajaja121:
Tks for posting MaryK!!


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[ . . .  .]
TMZ:"Murray LIEs THROUGH his TEETH about his relationship with the singer"
[ . . . . ]
In short, this is what I make of TMZ articles... if I read between the lines, of course lol or maybe between teeth!  :icon_lol:
---> READ DA TROOT (ESCAPISM, DISGUISE, HOAX) THROUGH MURRAY'S FAKE TEETH

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/jermainesm.jpg)

Well what can I say?  ;D
Jermaine, I love how you smile "THROUGH your TEETH"  :icon_lol:


Remaining Jacksons will take the stage at Apollo Theater for first time since Michael Jackson's death - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/remaining-jacksons-stage-apollo-theater-time-michael-jackson-death-article-1.1103676)
"“It’s not as difficult as I thought it would be,” says Marlon Jackson, who, at 55, is closest in age to Michael.
He’s present with us onstage. We have a great time when we perform and we know he’s up there with us.”
Certainly, his image is. The show — which includes all the old hits from both the Jackson 5 and Jacksons phases of the group — features key video footage of their late brother."








will have some meaning the shirt of Marlon?, and shirt of Tito that caricature of man showing the teeth... :confused:



[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrtMFuhd1hA&feature=g-all-u[/youtube]
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bugsy on July 01, 2012, 08:54:18 PM
I was thinking about the heights... I haven't found a single place that shows how to make an actor bigger without camera and prop work, there is elevator shoes but there is a photo of Conrad Murray in Nike trainers. However got me thinking...

What if it's a shared role? Michael is the one we see sitting down in court, in the videos but someone else is doing the walking, if it is a disguise then it can be duplicated for others.. even when they handcuff Conrad Murray he is still sitting down.

.

Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: voiceforthesilent on July 01, 2012, 09:11:12 PM
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I remember this discussion also.  I also remember that what convinced me about Dave Dave on Larry King was the fact that I turned my back on that video and listened to Dave Dave and the voice sent shivers up my spine. "That's Michael!" I said. I even compared some words from Dave in that interview with the same words by Michael in some of his earlier interviews and again shivers went up my spine! But I can turn my back on any of the videos of Murray and I don't hear it, sorry no shivers! ;o)

Blessing!
OnTheWingsOfLove

This is exactly my experience too which makes me think that it's someone else playing Murray's role. Not to say that MJ isn't either - there have been a few instances where it's so out of place, like Murray looking into the camera at court. Leilani81 could be right. We have to remember that the pictures we see are put there by TMZ and NPG.

Has there been any time where the public has seen Murray - or has it all been reported through TMZ and NPG.

Paula - that picture of Jermaine is hilarious. Hi Jermaine - enjoy the tour with your brothers :)

Blessings
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bugsy on July 01, 2012, 09:35:39 PM
Michael Jordon, his like 6ft 4 6ft5???? in the this is it concert, they mention "mj air"


I noticed a lot of people call Michael Jorans walking in the air as he sunk the ball "mj air" so both have a name for things they do?
And so I searched Youtube for MJ air for Michael Jackson and if you look after Michael throws his head back and arms out the camera goes to the floor where the dancers are, one of the dancers jumps up and makes an action like his putting the ball in the basket. was it a subtle clue?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5wuq70olFk&feature=player_detailpage[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3JxLHC8pqPI[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mu6aGGIlj8&feature=related[/youtube]
 

Michael Jordan was born 17th February 1963,

Has he been seen lately?

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_EDQtiicyo08/TCc0GPG9G1I/AAAAAAAACz0/0qKU4zw472c/s1600/rip-michael-jackson-21.jpg)

Oooh then you have Marcus Jordan Michaels Son.

(http://i.usatoday.net/communitymanager/_photos/game-on/2012/07/03/Marcus%20Jordanx-inset-community.jpg)

Michael Jordan's Son Marcus Arrested for Disorderly Conduct | TMZ.com (http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/01/michael-jordan-son-arrested/)

and the picture Conrad Murray in 1994

(http://media.mugshots.com/thumbs/gallery/images/9d/89/Conrad-Murray-mugshot-6951805.400x800.jpg)

obviously do not look the same in features abnd glasses are different but uncanny the beard, hair etc,
What do you think? possible to add to consideration and add to the pile or rule it out and throw in the trash?
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: voiceforthesilent on July 01, 2012, 10:09:00 PM
Michael Jordan is an owner of a professional basketball team. I'm not sure he's ever had any experience with acting so I don't believe he'd be a logical choice for the part of Murray, but one never knows. I love the video of MJ and MJ - especially the outtakes where it shows MJJ showing MJ how to moonwalk. Classic.

By the way - much has been said about Michael not following basketball or even knowing who the players were. I don't buy this at all because not only did he know Michael Jordan, but he also knew and hung out with Magic Johnson and he was Kobe Bryant's mentor. I really believe Kobe became even greater because of that mentorship by Michael.

Blessings
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bugsy on July 01, 2012, 10:21:14 PM
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Michael Jordan is an owner of a professional basketball team. I'm not sure he's ever had any experience with acting so I don't believe he'd be a logical choice for the part of Murray, but one never knows. I love the video of MJ and MJ - especially the outtakes where it shows MJJ showing MJ how to moonwalk. Classic.

By the way - much has been said about Michael not following basketball or even knowing who the players were. I don't buy this at all because not only did he know Michael Jordan, but he also knew and hung out with Magic Johnson and he was Kobe Bryant's mentor. I really believe Kobe became even greater because of that mentorship by Michael.

Blessings

Being a double, just walking around to be seen isn't really acting though

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Jordan also starred in the 1996 feature film Space Jam as himself
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan)

It's just a thought to the height situation, the seen in public etc ah well it was a thought :P
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: voiceforthesilent on July 01, 2012, 11:39:28 PM
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Michael Jordan is an owner of a professional basketball team. I'm not sure he's ever had any experience with acting so I don't believe he'd be a logical choice for the part of Murray, but one never knows. I love the video of MJ and MJ - especially the outtakes where it shows MJJ showing MJ how to moonwalk. Classic.

By the way - much has been said about Michael not following basketball or even knowing who the players were. I don't buy this at all because not only did he know Michael Jordan, but he also knew and hung out with Magic Johnson and he was Kobe Bryant's mentor. I really believe Kobe became even greater because of that mentorship by Michael.

Blessings

Being a double, just walking around to be seen isn't really acting though

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Jordan also starred in the 1996 feature film Space Jam as himself
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan)

It's just a thought to the height situation, the seen in public etc ah well it was a thought :P

You make a good point. Maybe? I still think Sidney Poitier is the best fit but that's just my opinion.

Blessings to you :)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MJonmind on July 02, 2012, 12:47:21 AM
Voice, Sidney Poitier is 85 now, so I don't think that would work.

Leilani81, that's quite the idea of Michael Jordan, since they did work together before on Jam. Interesting that his son made it to TMZ's news on July 1, 2012 for doing really nothing. So maybe he WAS meant to be a clue IDK.

Michael Jordan is a possibility, though for me only because of height. He is 6'6", 216 lbs., and 49 years old.
CM is supposedly 6'5", 211 lbs., and 59 years old. So it's close enough to work but...
Conrad Murray Booking Sheet -- One HUMONGOUS Inmate | TMZ.com (http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/08/conrad-murray-booking-sheet/)

Their faces somewhat match, but their voices are very different.

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/michaeljor.jpg)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Chicana on July 02, 2012, 02:24:34 AM
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(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y137/brieizhere84/f22da424.png)

turn your head sideways to the right to look at LKL dave dave's eyes. and it's just something that sticks out to me..when "dave dave" said "caused all this", that sounded like mj...makes me really think it's him. even his eyebrows look like mj's eyebrows..they're really barely there...you can hardly see his eyebrows..but i can see the same shape and everything.

That smaller pic of Dave Dave's eyes reminds me of the mayor's eyes in Ghosts, LOL.

lol..yeah. they do. remember when dave dave turned his head facing the camera directly? well i didn't try to make a perfect arrow because i wanted to point out where a certain area looks the same. the area under the nose. i drew 2 lines where his cheeks sink in on lkl dave dave's pic and on mj's pic. matches up. i didn't include it on the pic though but look at it yourself. remember, mj has dressed up as a burn victim before, since he did it before, he did it again. he probably got permission from the real dave dave to let him go on LKL as him.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y137/brieizhere84/f9980de7.gif)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MJonmind on July 02, 2012, 06:01:24 PM
Just a thought about the 'bloody' shirt found in the Carolwood house closet of key bedroom, that police did NOT take as relevant.
Photo Shows “Bloody” Shirt In Jackson’s Closet (http://www.vh1.com/celebrity/2009-08-06/photo-shows-bloody-shirt-in-jacksons-closet/)

(http://www.thefablife.com/files/2009/08/michael-jackson-bloody-shirt.jpg)


Remember the cream that Murray was desperate to take from the house, because he said Michael would not want the world to see it. :icon_lol: Then at the trial there was listed so many tubes of bleaching cream. Perhaps it was brown make-up, a clue, to us that MJ was using a dark make-up to disguise himself as Murray. I know it's a weak connection but...
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: wishingstar on July 02, 2012, 06:30:33 PM
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Just a thought about the 'bloody' shirt found in the Carolwood house closet of key bedroom, that police did NOT take as relevant.
Photo Shows “Bloody” Shirt In Jackson’s Closet (http://www.vh1.com/celebrity/2009-08-06/photo-shows-bloody-shirt-in-jacksons-closet/)

(http://www.thefablife.com/files/2009/08/michael-jackson-bloody-shirt.jpg)


Remember the cream that Murray was desperate to take from the house, because he said Michael would not want the world to see it. :icon_lol: Then at the trial there was listed so many tubes of bleaching cream. Perhaps it was brown make-up, a clue, to us that MJ was using a dark make-up to disguise himself as Murray. I know it's a weak connection but...

 :th_bravo:

I love you for your mind MJonmind!!!!!   :icon_lol:
You're awesome....what a brilliant thought!  Brown make up.....yes makes much more sense than blood.  I always thought it was odd we didn't hear more about this shirt if it was blood.  It's funny though.....one mention of blood, and we all went crazy (me included)....when in reality, if we were to actually see it, and know it with our own eyes, we'd be able to clearly see it wasn't a horrific thing at all....just make up.  Sort of like Michael......the public thought the worst, they were told the worst, they believed the worst of him.  Yet, in reality, if they really could see him, really know him....he's not horrific at all.....those nasty lies were just made up. 
Such symbolism in that shirt....brilliant! 

Blessings!
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bec on July 02, 2012, 06:36:18 PM
Yeah but, when did he have to disguise as Murray pre-6/25/09?
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bugsy on July 02, 2012, 07:08:12 PM
makeup sounds like apretty good match, if not makeup maybe hair dye? but I like the make up idea, because if it was hair dye why would that colour be used?
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: SimPattyK on July 02, 2012, 07:52:17 PM
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Yeah but, when did he have to disguise as Murray pre-6/25/09?
maybe he did a rehearsal  :icon_lol: :icon_lol:


great thought Mjonmind! You never cease to amaze me!!
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MJonmind on July 02, 2012, 08:06:46 PM
like-wise  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on July 02, 2012, 09:54:39 PM
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Yeah but, when did he have to disguise as Murray pre-6/25/09?

To test out the disguise..? like a dress rehearsal.
I'm sure if it is MJ they disguised him before 6/25 just so they can see what it would look like before the show starts. However, if it is MJ i believe Murray was modeled after a real person (Robert Earl Carter) :icon_e_confused:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Josiec84 on July 02, 2012, 11:50:12 PM
Hi there

This thread is really interesting but seriously it's becoming a bit too far to think Conrad Murray is Michael Jackon in disguise.

Highly impossible. I can tell by the eyes that it wouldn't be MJ as Conrad.

He can be the master of disguises but his eyes gives it away, that's how I knew it was him playing as the fat mayor in the "Ghost" music video

Unless he found a way to fool us hahaha

Love and respect to all

Josie xx



Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: curls on July 03, 2012, 02:04:55 AM
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Yeah but, when did he have to disguise as Murray pre-6/25/09?

Maybe to have all those photos taken at the beach, in cafes, out shopping etc etc - you know, the ones for TMZ to drop out at regular intervals post June 25th, where no-one is taking a blind bit of notice of him, you know, the man who killed MJ!

Seriously, if MJ is CM, and I'm in no way convinced that he is, (although it's a splendidly awesome thought to entertain!) I think the disguise would have to be a full face mask, (hell, full body suit even!) - not a simple touch of brown make-up!

If the 'bloodied' shirt is make-up, I wonder if a more plausible explanation would be MJ covering his white vitiligo patches with brown rather than white, maybe to go out 'disguised' as himself! Doesn't explain why he put it all over his shirt instead of his face though! Damn, where's that Karen woman when you need her?!

Nope - it must be a clue! (To something we haven't sussed yet!)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MJonmind on July 03, 2012, 03:15:21 AM
Curls
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Nope - it must be a clue!
Yes, deliberately left for US!!  It is likely a full body suit MJ's wearing if it's him, but make-up would still be required for touch-ups.  Remember how Murray in court dabbed at his eyes like a woman with full make-up, extremely gingerly when he cried?  If Murray really was a criminal being tried for murder, would they bother to put make-up on his face like he was acting in a movie? Same when he cried in the docu.


Also, I just want to give the link to Simpa’s great work on David Lynch’s movies, which seems to have some dots connected to the Murray docu.  It’s a lot to read and watch, but it gives the strong feeling Murray is a layered complex character in MJ’s movie, an actor, though it's not showing MJ is CM per say.
David Lynch & MIchael - movie connections-Elephant Man, Twin Peaks & others... (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22819.msg411989#msg411989)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: reveron1958 on July 03, 2012, 04:13:49 AM
I cannot even entertain the idea that Murray was Michael in disguise.

The Dave Dave disguise is much easier to believe for the following reasons:

Dave Dave was not a very well known person
It was a one off and did not have to be repeated day after day
We did not get close ups like in the Murray trial
People would not have wanted to stare too much at Dave Dave
Badly burned skin could look masklike anyway
Both the body and the eyes are believable as Michael in disguise, whereas Murray is not a match

Looking at photos and the trial footage I think it is pretty clear (to me) that Murray's face was not a prostetic mask. I know they can be brilliant, but we have seen Murray in various stages of undress and can see he is obviously a complete real person!

Maybe the shirt has paint on? I used to borrow my dad's old shirts as painting overalls. Maybe Blanket borrowed it - but why it is back in the wardrobe seems odd.

I still think it might be blood. Looks more like the colour of dried blood than make up or paint! Maybe he cut himself shaving.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: SimPattyK on July 03, 2012, 04:37:50 AM
thank you MjonMind for the link and your comments!!  :bearhug:



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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QsPeC2uDUw[/youtube]

^^ I made part 2 from the Pink panther disguise video

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8r6n_IQlwo[/youtube]
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: marumjj on July 03, 2012, 04:42:14 AM
Cita de: MJonmind en 10 horas
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Sólo un pensamiento acerca de la "sangrienta" camisa de encontrar en el armario de casa de Carolwood de la habitación de clave, que la policía no toma como referencia. La foto muestra el "Bloody" Camisa closet Jackson Recuerde que la crema que Murray estaba desesperado por tomar de la casa, porque dijo Michael no le gustaría que el mundo lo vea. Luego en el juicio no fue incluido tantos tubos de crema decolorante. Tal vez era de color marrón maquillaje, una pista, para nosotros que MJ estaba usando un maquillaje oscuro para disfrazarse como Murray. Sé que es una conexión débil, pero ...
(http://www.thefablife.com/files/2009/08/michael-jackson-bloody-shirt.jpg)

When I saw the stained shirt and "saved" thought, which makes it there?
If blood stains appeared, because the police did not take that as evidence?
This is one of the many questions that I find no credible response.  :Pulling_hair:

               (http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg844/scaled.php?server=844&filename=tequieroms.jpg&res=landing)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: wishingstar on July 03, 2012, 04:49:36 AM
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I cannot even entertain the idea that Murray was Michael in disguise.

The Dave Dave disguise is much easier to believe for the following reasons:

Dave Dave was not a very well known person
It was a one off and did not have to be repeated day after day
We did not get close ups like in the Murray trial
People would not have wanted to stare too much at Dave Dave
Badly burned skin could look masklike anyway
Both the body and the eyes are believable as Michael in disguise, whereas Murray is not a match

Looking at photos and the trial footage I think it is pretty clear (to me) that Murray's face was not a prostetic mask. I know they can be brilliant, but we have seen Murray in various stages of undress and can see he is obviously a complete real person!

Maybe the shirt has paint on? I used to borrow my dad's old shirts as painting overalls. Maybe Blanket borrowed it - but why it is back in the wardrobe seems odd.

I still think it might be blood. Looks more like the colour of dried blood than make up or paint! Maybe he cut himself shav
ing.

Yes, odd that such a shirt would be placed back in his closet. The jacket on the left seems familiar...the small checkered one.  Also, I think the tag on the dirty shirt is important.  We have talked about this a very long time ago....I will see if I can find it.
Sim...I think this shirt was in a montage at one point....I could be wrong. The more I look at it, the more it looks "set up"....set up to either look like blood, look like make up....or be a metaphor for something.  There's actually a saying associated with a dirty shirt.  To say "in like a dirty shirt" means a sure thing, or a done deal.  What could a dirty shirt with a price tag on it mean metaphorically.....the price was $3.99?  I think?  Have we ever seen Murray in a shirt that looks like this style? Or anyone else for that matter?  I think if he had cut himself shaving, we'd have seen an ambulance prior to June 25th....that would be a lot of blood for a shaving cut.  The streaks look more like paint, like it was on purpose.....like I said to look like blood, look like make up etc....

Interesting stuff..... If Murray is Michael, it would be the greatest disguise/Hollywood make up job ever!  I guess only time will tell....bamsday's coming : )

Blessings Always
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MJonmind on July 03, 2012, 04:58:30 AM
Simpa, congrats on another excellent video,  MJ=CM 2!
 :th_bravo: :th_bravo:


Yikes, I found it!!!!

(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrnx5qUm2f1r2ypnoo1_500.jpg)
(http://www.thefablife.com/files/2009/08/michael-jackson-bloody-shirt.jpg)

Has this been mentioned before anywhere guys?

So is this MJ closet for his disguises?
So ya know where I'm goin' with the make-up on the shirt now!!!!

We'll "keep it in the closet" alright! :icon_lol:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MaryK on July 03, 2012, 05:06:05 AM
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Simpa, congrats on another excellent video,  MJ=CM 2!
 :th_bravo: :th_bravo:


Yikes, I found it!!!!

(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrnx5qUm2f1r2ypnoo1_500.jpg)
(http://www.thefablife.com/files/2009/08/michael-jackson-bloody-shirt.jpg)

Has this been mentioned before anywhere guys?

So is this MJ closet for his disguises?
So ya know where I'm goin' with the make-up on the shirt now!!!!

We'll "keep it in the closet" alright! :icon_lol:

 :affraid:

Sweet.....and interesting.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: wishingstar on July 03, 2012, 05:10:30 AM
An old post of mine has a link to The Sun's article about this shirt:

A local family’s ‘miracle from Michael Jackson’ (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=19608.msg339647#msg339647)

Blouse covered in blood found in Jacko&rsquo;s wardrobe | The Sun |News (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2573761/Blouse-covered-in-blood-found-in-Jackos-wardrobe.html)

So strange......this shirt wasn't taken into evidence.  If it was blood, surely it would have been.....
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 03, 2012, 07:15:13 AM
@MJonmind....that's absolutely awesome that you found that MJ's pic in Uncle Willy disguise and the jacket is just hang beside the thirty white T-shirt.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: emulik on July 03, 2012, 07:35:23 AM
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@MJonmind....that's absolutely awesome that you found that MJ's pic in Uncle Willy disguise and the jacket is just hang beside the thirty white T-shirt.
yes, briliant find MJonmind!  :th_bravo:  I like disguise closet  :icon_lol:

that shirt is quite creased, it looks like somebody used that  shirt more likely for wiping make up, than wearing.  :icon_e_confused:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MJonmind on July 03, 2012, 03:12:10 PM
So I'm thinking both pictures have to be deliberate clues from MJ.
If the make-up on the white shirt is for a black guy, then MJ's disguise of a white Uncle Willy for the jacket needs more white make-up.  But guess who's standing next to him as a hint---a black guy!!!  Could it be only a coincident??  Do we believe in koikidances??

I know the pic of MJ as Uncle Willy has been around for a while, and I thought it had been discussed casually too. But when I do a search I don't find mention here.  Do you guys have any thoughts on why MJ named his get-up that?

What's Kevin Wilson about?

Willy Wonka and the Chocolate factory.

Another thing about this jacket is that it is similar (but not the same) to one worn by Michael in a photo-shoot with Lisa Marie Presley.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_cudiB-AbcIs/TMHQ-v8yxbI/AAAAAAAABQs/ImY05Co6yY0/s400/MJ+1993+LMP+2.jpg)
(http://lovelyti.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/lisa-marie-presley-and-michael-jackson-300x228.jpg)


Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bec on July 03, 2012, 03:30:40 PM
Wow. That jacket connection to an original hoax pic is really awesome. MJonmind, you're really on fire lately.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: LUNA on July 03, 2012, 04:04:50 PM
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Yeah but, when did he have to disguise as Murray pre-6/25/09?
maybe,mj was recording some of the cm's speeches be4 the 6/25/2009! those videos/speeches/pictures would have been released only during the next periods....  :TongueOutSmiley:

*LUNA*
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: SimPattyK on July 03, 2012, 04:27:29 PM
@MJonMIND:  Bec said it best: "Girl, you're on FIRE!" Great great findings!! tks for sharing and opening our eyes!!  :bearhug:

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Another thing about this jacket is that it is similar (but not the same) to one worn by Michael in a photo-shoot with Lisa Marie Presley.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_cudiB-AbcIs/TMHQ-v8yxbI/AAAAAAAABQs/ImY05Co6yY0/s400/MJ+1993+LMP+2.jpg)

^^ I've always loved the "pranksta'-look" on their faces in these photos.
They were definitely up to something when they did those photo-shootings!!
In another photo with Lisa, Michael wears a suit very much resembling to one of Elvis' stage suits and it also has a 7 on his left arm.
And again, the look in their eyes! hummmm...
So yesss! I strongly believe these pics are more than what they seem!

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/mjelvis014.jpg)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Dontwalkaway on July 03, 2012, 06:16:09 PM
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Yeah but, when did he have to disguise as Murray pre-6/25/09?

To test out the disguise..? like a dress rehearsal.
I'm sure if it is MJ they disguised him before 6/25 just so they can see what it would look like before the show starts. However, if it is MJ i believe Murray was modeled after a real person (Robert Earl Carter) :icon_e_confused:

I heard about Robert Earl Carter also.  Maybe there are several people "playing" Murray but Robert Earl Carter is a real person.  Like they said in the movie This Is it.  "There's genius stuff going on here".   I think that's why we can't figure it out.

 :th_bravo: 
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: suspicious mind on July 03, 2012, 08:01:49 PM
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@MJonmind....that's absolutely awesome that you found that MJ's pic in Uncle Willy disguise and the jacket is just hang beside the thirty white T-shirt.
humm i kinda thought the jacket looked more like the one from the pic of thome man handling him. the one from fronts hand pic.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: voiceforthesilent on July 03, 2012, 09:06:53 PM
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@SimPattyk.... I love your montages thanks for taking your time and expose them!  :)
Thank you!



From this thread: Dr Murray How DARE you judge me (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22861.50)

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As we have been talking about teeth a lot here, I thought that this is amusing:

The Jacksons this Wednesday before the "Good Morning America" show.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/tumblrm6by.jpg)

Look at Jermaine  :icon_mrgreen:
Thank you MaryK for the picture! now I am even more confident that Jermaine reads here  :icon_razz:
very charming picture, indeed!
lmao  :thjajaja121:
Tks for posting MaryK!!


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[ . . .  .]
TMZ:"Murray LIEs THROUGH his TEETH about his relationship with the singer"
[ . . . . ]
In short, this is what I make of TMZ articles... if I read between the lines, of course lol or maybe between teeth!  :icon_lol:
---> READ DA TROOT (ESCAPISM, DISGUISE, HOAX) THROUGH MURRAY'S FAKE TEETH

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/jermainesm.jpg)

Well what can I say?  ;D
Jermaine, I love how you smile "THROUGH your TEETH"  :icon_lol:


Remaining Jacksons will take the stage at Apollo Theater for first time since Michael Jackson's death - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/remaining-jacksons-stage-apollo-theater-time-michael-jackson-death-article-1.1103676)
"“It’s not as difficult as I thought it would be,” says Marlon Jackson, who, at 55, is closest in age to Michael.
He’s present with us onstage. We have a great time when we perform and we know he’s up there with us.”
Certainly, his image is. The show — which includes all the old hits from both the Jackson 5 and Jacksons phases of the group — features key video footage of their late brother."








will have some meaning the shirt of Marlon?, and shirt of Tito that caricature of man showing the teeth... :confused:



[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrtMFuhd1hA&feature=g-all-u[/youtube]

I know that Jermaine and Pearl Jr are two different people and I know that neither is acting as the other but doesn't Jermaine's smile remind you of the same smile that Pearl Jr gives in her videos? Maybe it's just me.

Blessings
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MJonmind on July 04, 2012, 01:13:07 AM
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Wow. That jacket connection to an original hoax pic is really awesome. MJonmind, you're really on fire lately.
Thanks!  The hoax is never far from my mind day or night, whatever I'm doing, for 3 years now. :D :computer-losy-smiley: :woohoo2:

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@MJonmind....that's absolutely awesome that you found that MJ's pic in Uncle Willy disguise and the jacket is just hang beside the thirty white T-shirt.
humm i kinda thought the jacket looked more like the one from the pic of thome man handling him. the one from fronts hand pic.
It's similar but not the same.

(http://www4.pictures.fp.zimbio.com/Michael+Jackson+Michael+Jackson+Leaving+London+dtykvRgX9Jll.jpg)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Josiec84 on July 04, 2012, 03:07:34 AM
Conrad Murray is expected to be released out of jail next year and there will be thousands of  :Pulling_hair:   >:(  people that would be cursing him. Perhaps Michael will reveal himself on that day.
He'll probably shop up as Conrad Murray (or in another disguise), starts dancing  and yells out "Ok, it's a rap!" then tears off the mask to show his real self and explain everything.  :michael_jackson-1135:

Sounds very crazy and it will be highly unlikely that this will happen but who knows? It's possible-ish

It would be the greatest movie ever made  :th_bravo: :th_bravo:

Love and respect to all

Josie xxoo
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: gwynned on July 04, 2012, 10:20:09 AM
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I know that Jermaine and Pearl Jr are two different people and I know that neither is acting as the other but doesn't Jermaine's smile remind you of the same smile that Pearl Jr gives in her videos? Maybe it's just me.

Blessings

OMG...what a thought.  The whole Pearl Jr. thing is odd.  The constant hair-do changes, the ridiculous background music, insider information and, as you point out, those over the top pearly whites.  Who knows who is who anymore? 
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: suspicious mind on July 04, 2012, 12:53:48 PM
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Wow. That jacket connection to an original hoax pic is really awesome. MJonmind, you're really on fire lately.
Thanks!  The hoax is never far from my mind day or night, whatever I'm doing, for 3 years now. :D :computer-losy-smiley: :woohoo2:

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@MJonmind....that's absolutely awesome that you found that MJ's pic in Uncle Willy disguise and the jacket is just hang beside the thirty white T-shirt.
humm i kinda thought the jacket looked more like the one from the pic of thome man handling him. the one from fronts hand pic.
It's similar but not the same.

(http://www4.pictures.fp.zimbio.com/Michael+Jackson+Michael+Jackson+Leaving+London+dtykvRgX9Jll.jpg)

wow ! i thought i held onto stuff a long time!  :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
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Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Chicana on July 06, 2012, 03:37:19 AM
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Just a thought about the 'bloody' shirt found in the Carolwood house closet of key bedroom, that police did NOT take as relevant.
Photo Shows “Bloody” Shirt In Jackson’s Closet (http://www.vh1.com/celebrity/2009-08-06/photo-shows-bloody-shirt-in-jacksons-closet/)

(http://www.thefablife.com/files/2009/08/michael-jackson-bloody-shirt.jpg)


Remember the cream that Murray was desperate to take from the house, because he said Michael would not want the world to see it. :icon_lol: Then at the trial there was listed so many tubes of bleaching cream. Perhaps it was brown make-up, a clue, to us that MJ was using a dark make-up to disguise himself as Murray. I know it's a weak connection but...

lol...
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Chicana on July 06, 2012, 03:53:55 AM
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I cannot even entertain the idea that Murray was Michael in disguise.

The Dave Dave disguise is much easier to believe for the following reasons:

Dave Dave was not a very well known person
It was a one off and did not have to be repeated day after day
We did not get close ups like in the Murray trial
People would not have wanted to stare too much at Dave Dave
Badly burned skin could look masklike anyway
Both the body and the eyes are believable as Michael in disguise, whereas Murray is not a match

Looking at photos and the trial footage I think it is pretty clear (to me) that Murray's face was not a prostetic mask. I know they can be brilliant, but we have seen Murray in various stages of undress and can see he is obviously a complete real person!

Maybe the shirt has paint on? I used to borrow my dad's old shirts as painting overalls. Maybe Blanket borrowed it - but why it is back in the wardrobe seems odd.

I still think it might be blood. Looks more like the colour of dried blood than make up or paint! Maybe he cut himself shaving.

you know what? i actually agree with you. lol. i'm not even going to beat around the bush.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MJonmind on July 06, 2012, 04:08:19 AM
Just a little something, maybe a clue... 

Zita Video - The Simpsons - S03E01 - Stark Raving Dad or Michael Jackson.mpg | video filmpjes | simpsons, fake, michael, jackson (http://video.zita.be/video-galerij/djscrim/The_Simpsons_S03E01_Stark_Raving_Dad_or_Michael_Jackson_mpg.aspx)

This is the Simpson episode where MJ actually speaks a bunch, disguised as this fat-looking white guy in the mental institute where Homer gets admitted. Okay first of all it starts that Marge accidentally makes his shirt pink which makes him stand out at work. When his boss sends him to the MI, his room-mate is this guy but it's MJ!  (So cute!!) Homer asks if Elvis is in the building too, and MJ says he could be, it's a big place.  :icon_lol:  Then at 19:57 we see the newspaper cover of Michael Jackson Hoax!  There's some commercial breaks.  This connects to the episodes with Dr. Hibbert, who many say looks and acts like Dr. Murray.
Does anyone know the actual episodes with Hibbert in them?  Don't know if these connect dots or not. MJ is supposedly disguised as another person, so the people of the town don't realize it's MJ, and get upset with Bart for saying MJ's coming to his house.

So pink shirt, MJ, disguise, like Dr. Murray, in a cell-like room, MJ hoax in newspaper.  Kinda funny at least! :affraid:

At the end when the townspeople come out to see MJ, they are so disappointed when it's this fat guy, and MJ leaves in his car.

This scene reminds me of Front's words on Sept 21:
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Perhaps he will be standing right in front of us---in the FLESH…………

{Michael, wearing a clown suit--or maybe a Pink Panther disguise--removes his garb}

Fans: {in astonishment and disbelief} Michael, is that really you? NO! It can't be!

Michael: Yes, it's really me! {turns around slowly for all to see} Did you really think I ever left?

Fans: {looking hard with scrutinizing, hoaxy eyes  suspicious//  spinning like pinwheels} Nah…it's not him. It's just some dude in an MJ disguise underneath that clown/Pink Panther suit.

{fans turn and walk away, fraught with disappointment}

Here are some interesting Dr. Hibbert quotes:  They sound kinda hoaxy to me, or maybe it's just my brain. :icon_razz:

Dr. Hibbert Quotes - TV Fanatic (http://www.tvfanatic.com/quotes/characters/dr-hibbert/)
Dr. Hibbert Quotes (Page 2) - TV Fanatic (http://www.tvfanatic.com/quotes/characters/dr-hibbert/page-2.html)


Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: ~Souza~ on July 06, 2012, 05:57:49 AM
(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrnx5qUm2f1r2ypnoo1_500.jpg)

ROFL, this is such an obvious disguise. I wonder if he really fooled people with this. The eyes are a dead giveaway. Maybe with some (sun)glasses though, because the makeup looks great.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on July 06, 2012, 07:19:44 AM
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(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrnx5qUm2f1r2ypnoo1_500.jpg)

ROFL, this is such an obvious disguise. I wonder if he really fooled people with this. The eyes are a dead giveaway. Maybe with some (sun)glasses though, because the makeup looks great.

Yess, great makeup indeed, which is very subtle because it looks quite natural. If you wouldn't expect him to be at a certain place (which is quite obvious since he's "dead" :icon_lol:) plus if he would wear glasses and had greyish hair, I think it wouldn't cross my mind that it might be MJ. Though, I agree that from a closer look his eyes would def jeopardize his disguise :icon_cool:.  
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: wishingstar on July 06, 2012, 10:53:18 AM
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(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrnx5qUm2f1r2ypnoo1_500.jpg)

ROFL, this is such an obvious disguise. I wonder if he really fooled people with this. The eyes are a dead giveaway. Maybe with some (sun)glasses though, because the makeup looks great.

Yess, great makeup indeed, which is very subtle because it looks quite natural. If you wouldn't expect him to be at a certain place (which is quite obvious since he's "dead" :icon_lol:) plus if he would wear glasses and had greyish hair, I think it wouldn't cross my mind that it might be MJ. Though, I agree that from a closer look his eyes would def jeopardize his disguise :icon_cool:.

Yes, the eyes would give it away....but, the whole demeanor of the disguise is great.  He's slouching, sad looking etc......very un-Michael like.  I bet his voice would have been different too.  It's so fun to see these things, I think it is anyways.  I know it's sad he to go to these lengths, but he's so good at it.  I always wonder, with all my Disneyland visits, did I see him and not know him....fun to think about. 

Blessings Always!
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bugsy on July 06, 2012, 11:49:27 AM
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Just a little something, maybe a clue... 

Zita Video - The Simpsons - S03E01 - Stark Raving Dad or Michael Jackson.mpg | video filmpjes | simpsons, fake, michael, jackson (http://video.zita.be/video-galerij/djscrim/The_Simpsons_S03E01_Stark_Raving_Dad_or_Michael_Jackson_mpg.aspx)

This is the Simpson episode where MJ actually speaks a bunch, disguised as this fat-looking white guy in the mental institute where Homer gets admitted. Okay first of all it starts that Marge accidentally makes his shirt pink which makes him stand out at work. When his boss sends him to the MI, his room-mate is this guy but it's MJ!  (So cute!!) Homer asks if Elvis is in the building too, and MJ says he could be, it's a big place.  :icon_lol:  Then at 19:57 we see the newspaper cover of Michael Jackson Hoax!  There's some commercial breaks.  This connects to the episodes with Dr. Hibbert, who many say looks and acts like Dr. Murray.
Does anyone know the actual episodes with Hibbert in them?  Don't know if these connect dots or not. MJ is supposedly disguised as another person, so the people of the town don't realize it's MJ, and get upset with Bart for saying MJ's coming to his house.

So pink shirt, MJ, disguise, like Dr. Murray, in a cell-like room, MJ hoax in newspaper.  Kinda funny at least! :affraid:

At the end when the townspeople come out to see MJ, they are so disappointed when it's this fat guy, and MJ leaves in his car.

This scene reminds me of Front's words on Sept 21:
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Perhaps he will be standing right in front of us---in the FLESH…………

{Michael, wearing a clown suit--or maybe a Pink Panther disguise--removes his garb}

Fans: {in astonishment and disbelief} Michael, is that really you? NO! It can't be!

Michael: Yes, it's really me! {turns around slowly for all to see} Did you really think I ever left?

Fans: {looking hard with scrutinizing, hoaxy eyes  suspicious//  spinning like pinwheels} Nah…it's not him. It's just some dude in an MJ disguise underneath that clown/Pink Panther suit.

{fans turn and walk away, fraught with disappointment}

Here are some interesting Dr. Hibbert quotes:  They sound kinda hoaxy to me, or maybe it's just my brain. :icon_razz:

Dr. Hibbert Quotes - TV Fanatic (http://www.tvfanatic.com/quotes/characters/dr-hibbert/)
Dr. Hibbert Quotes (Page 2) - TV Fanatic (http://www.tvfanatic.com/quotes/characters/dr-hibbert/page-2.html)

Julius Hibbert - Simpsons Wiki (http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/Julius_Hibbert)

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There are hints that Dr. Hibbert is not above dubious medical practices either. After Marge talks him out of buying an unsuitable house, he tells her if she ever need a prescription, "no questions asked..." On another occasion, he buys one of Bart's T-Shirts with the legend "DO NOT RESUSCITATE" remarking that it could get him out of some sticky situations.

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He has also been interviewed on television sporting a baseball cap and chain blatantly advertising the wares of pharmaceutical companies. The "interview" ends with him joining in a choreographed raunchy dance routine with several attractive female dancers promoting Pfizer products.

All the episodes he was in is at the bottom of the page
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: julia142 on July 07, 2012, 01:08:27 AM
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I know that Jermaine and Pearl Jr are two different people and I know that neither is acting as the other but doesn't Jermaine's smile remind you of the same smile that Pearl Jr gives in her videos? Maybe it's just me.

Blessings

OMG...what a thought.  The whole Pearl Jr. thing is odd.  The constant hair-do changes, the ridiculous background music, insider information and, as you point out, those over the top pearly whites.  Who knows who is who anymore?

lol! Yeah I know what you mean. This hoax thing are getting us crazy, and we see everything as suspicious, beLIEve me, I know all that!  :LolLolLolLol:

But the fact is, that Pearl is a real person, I have met her face to face in may 2010, because I went with France reporters in Los Angeles and Neverland, so that I can investigate further for the hoax. (startin at 3:37) Michael Jackson Mort ou vivant 35 ième partie - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U6I2G6IISk)

then part 2: Michael Jackson 36 ième partie.wmv - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX00keHCWjQ)
Part 3:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKVEjnzcztM (starting at 1:11)
Part 4: Michael Jackson mort ou vivant 38 ième partie - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT5HYRAGH2I)

In response to all: I know a lot of you don't like that women, but still, remember what Michael said, don't judge someone until you have met them face to face. And this is what I did. And, gotta tell you that, this women was very nice to me, even when the camera was off. She is smart, caring, and she really IS a beLIEver if you doubt, I know because I felt it, I felt she was on my side for real, she was very nice to me, and off-camera, she told me, that people near of Michael just called her to give her insight in all of this. I really believe she is used by the Jackson family, and that is why we see her posing with the Jackson family at times. And that for them, knowing that the fans know her, it is the best way to give us insight.... Remember that she was there in 2005, because for the press, she was working on the bad side, the side of Michael. Being on Michael's side at that time was not the best way to make money, because, we the fans, were almost the only ones believing in Michael at that time, if you wanted to make money at that time, you had to be against Michael. But she did it, because she believed that he was innocent. So the same is happening right now... She is doing all this hoax stuff, even though people from press thinks she is crazy, but she goes on, because she really believes in it. Besides, she is a close friend of MJhoax live (Twiggy) who is one of the greatest investigator in hoax world, Twiggy would not be that close too Pearl is she had a doubt for sure.


I met Pearl only once in my life and barely had contact with her since then, (but everytime I wrote to her though, she did answer me). But I feel people when they are not real, or if they are nice and honest people, and I did feel her sincerity through it all.

It was just my grain salt, and hope people will not be angry after me by defending Pearl. I don't agree with everything she says, though, I think she is a good person with no doubt...


Please Souza and Bec, don't be mad at me by saying that, I don't like sometimes to say what I think, because sometimes, I fear that people I like, will get against me since I said something opposite of them.... I know....  I care too much about what other people will think, but have to say that, I admire you, Souza, Bec, Pearl, Twiggy, and all of those who say what they think of, for my part, it was so hard dealing with people who were against me and trying to break me for saying out loud things about the hoax. But believe me, I know how it is... I have been harrassed many times, I have been mocked, and some people (in the non-believer world), threathened me, some to death, and one of them, even wished that one of my kids get a disease... This is crazy what people could do.... I took a long long break, not making anymore new videos of the hoax (in french), still, I do my researches every day, and would have tons and tons of things to talk in a video, but I am so tired of the hating and bashing, and jealousy, that I can't take it anymore.... And you know what is the worst? I am not a stranger, or only a pseudo in french. They know my complete name, and the name of my husband and my kids, as I have been very active in the media since I have met Michael in 2003. Here where I have lived, I have done tons of interviews before june 25th 2009, because of I met Michael and also because I have been the name they kept in their records since 2003, everytime somethinh big with Michael would happened,  the media would call me. And also, I did a reality show watched by millions in my province, so I was not hard to find me. So, this is why it is harder for me.

So that is why I admire all of you and all of the others who say what they think about this hoax, because I have been and still is into that path every day... And even If I did not do any videos since a long time, there are still jealous people who makes video about me in french and tells lies about me because they hate me, when I did nothing wrong, but speak from my heart and soul.

So that is the reason, why I don't want to get you mad Souza and Bec, because we experience the same things, and I undesrtand you very much, a lot more that you could think of...
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bugsy on July 07, 2012, 02:02:13 AM
Nice videos would love to know what is being said in between the recorded videos though :( very interesting. Thanks for sharing them :)

You might be better copying what you wrote here about Pearl and you're experience with meeting her in the thread about her though just so everyone reads your perspective of her who's involved in that thread. I do what to respond about it but do not want to change the topic from what this thread is about, so I am asking more on behalf of myself I can not ask for anyone else :)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bec on July 07, 2012, 02:21:57 AM
Agreed, Julia, you should copy your post onto to the Pearl thread as yours is an interesting personal perspective to add to that topic. I'm not sure why you thought I would be mad about what you wrote. Pearl simply confuses me, I have no strong opinion about her either way as my thoughts regarding her are just that; confusion.

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I really believe she is used by the Jackson family, and that is why we see her posing with the Jackson family at times.

I have considered as a possibility, certainly. I'm glad you posted.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bugsy on July 07, 2012, 12:10:11 PM
I was thinking about the blood stained blouse.

I have thought for a while about smooth criminal and it's nagged at me but ignored it and after watching this you tube vid I thought of something, the actual vid didn't really connect anything but just triggered some thoughts

He Came Into Her Apartment
He Left The Bloodstains On The Carpet
She Ran Underneath The Table
He Could See She Was Unable
So She Ran Into The Bedroom
She Was Struck Down, It Was Her Doom



"Okay, I Want Everybody To Clear The Area Right Now! "


Just thinking if the Blood stains on the blouse was a representation of sorts, it's a womans unworn blouse, and he was found in the bedroom on the bed.
and the people were told to leave the house.

I thought of other little things but I can't really connect it, in the trial, the defense asked miss E fleak about the bottle under the table, the fact the photo was taken with the bottle on the table rather than under.



That video is pretty cool to watch, I really don't know what to make of it completely but I enjoyed watching any anyways :P

However some things in there are rather food for thought,

the spiders,
The man who holds up a shring to give it to the girl

Darn it, my mind just went blank, have a look at the video and let me know what you think... i think I need to sleep, my mind is shutting down since it's 1:10am lol

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ9ajRXnJNo&feature=relmfu[/youtube]
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MJonmind on July 07, 2012, 02:02:03 PM
Leilani81, keep digging into this because I think you'll find more.

Watch this video where it is absolutely clear MJ is singing Dr. Murray resuscitation... If you continue listening she slows MJ's voice right down.  Actually it sounds to me like 'Dr. Murray's hesitation'.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr80kBMva1c[/youtube]

And some older discussion on this idea from before the video above with clearer proof.
Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators &bull; View topic - Dr. Murray's Name in Smooth Criminal Lyrics (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=172&start=0&hilit)

IMO, both Michael and Dr. Murray are the 'smooth criminal's who are getting away with their 'crime'! :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bec on July 07, 2012, 09:41:59 PM
Ah yes the Dr. Murray line sung in 1987(ish). Gotta love that.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Chicana on July 09, 2012, 03:44:11 AM
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Just a little something, maybe a clue... 

Zita Video - The Simpsons - S03E01 - Stark Raving Dad or Michael Jackson.mpg | video filmpjes | simpsons, fake, michael, jackson (http://video.zita.be/video-galerij/djscrim/The_Simpsons_S03E01_Stark_Raving_Dad_or_Michael_Jackson_mpg.aspx)

This is the Simpson episode where MJ actually speaks a bunch, disguised as this fat-looking white guy in the mental institute where Homer gets admitted. Okay first of all it starts that Marge accidentally makes his shirt pink which makes him stand out at work. When his boss sends him to the MI, his room-mate is this guy but it's MJ!  (So cute!!) Homer asks if Elvis is in the building too, and MJ says he could be, it's a big place.  :icon_lol:  Then at 19:57 we see the newspaper cover of Michael Jackson Hoax!  There's some commercial breaks.  This connects to the episodes with Dr. Hibbert, who many say looks and acts like Dr. Murray.
Does anyone know the actual episodes with Hibbert in them?  Don't know if these connect dots or not. MJ is supposedly disguised as another person, so the people of the town don't realize it's MJ, and get upset with Bart for saying MJ's coming to his house.

So pink shirt, MJ, disguise, like Dr. Murray, in a cell-like room, MJ hoax in newspaper.  Kinda funny at least! :affraid:

At the end when the townspeople come out to see MJ, they are so disappointed when it's this fat guy, and MJ leaves in his car.

This scene reminds me of Front's words on Sept 21:
Quote
Perhaps he will be standing right in front of us---in the FLESH…………

{Michael, wearing a clown suit--or maybe a Pink Panther disguise--removes his garb}

Fans: {in astonishment and disbelief} Michael, is that really you? NO! It can't be!

Michael: Yes, it's really me! {turns around slowly for all to see} Did you really think I ever left?

Fans: {looking hard with scrutinizing, hoaxy eyes  suspicious//  spinning like pinwheels} Nah…it's not him. It's just some dude in an MJ disguise underneath that clown/Pink Panther suit.

{fans turn and walk away, fraught with disappointment}

Here are some interesting Dr. Hibbert quotes:  They sound kinda hoaxy to me, or maybe it's just my brain. :icon_razz:

Dr. Hibbert Quotes - TV Fanatic (http://www.tvfanatic.com/quotes/characters/dr-hibbert/)
Dr. Hibbert Quotes (Page 2) - TV Fanatic (http://www.tvfanatic.com/quotes/characters/dr-hibbert/page-2.html)

wow, and what's so weird about it is, that episode was made back in the 1990's. then when he got in the helicopter, it reminds me of them airlifting mj. then c'mon the paper said hoax? omg. did the simpsons episode have an influence on mj? did mj hire that dom/peterpanpyt person or whoever to act like he was mj? is someone being paid to play him to distract us? hm... i wonder.or did mj plan for them to make that episode and leave trails of evidence that what he was going to be what he was going to do in the future? i wonder. i just, wonder.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Chicana on July 09, 2012, 04:06:32 AM
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Just the fact that Murray has no "past" doesn´t convince me CM is MJ.
Maybe I´ve watched too many spy movies but I´m sure, if Murray is into any CIA thing or sth, they are able to remove all personal dates.

And I´m with you voice, Dave Dave on LKL is what convinced me either. When I saw his vid I just fell off my chair.
I never had such a reaction while watching CM.

i really think more and more about dave dave being mj more than conrad murray being michael jackson simply because of all of his weird body movements, the things he said, the tone of voice ( listen to the dave dave on myspace's voice and lkl dave dave), they're two totally different voices. not only when he said "caused all this", but he even said "he'd never hurt a SOUL", as if he was referring to an incident that happened while on camera being filmed (that incident that he was "dangling" blanket out of a window), because people were accusing him of being an endangerment to his own children. and let alone, all of the facial features, expressions, and so on that he had. and that tmz picture of "dave dave" when they blurred him in the background and then they had one pic of some man there who clearly wasn't the dave dave on lkl because the head size and shape were totally opposite from each other. nobody's seen that same "dave dave" person again on anything else besides the video i posted up of him supposedly going to the funeral when he was in the car writing down what he was going to say at the funeral. oh, and his teeth looked identical to mj's teeth also.  :michael_jackson-1135:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Chicana on July 09, 2012, 04:23:17 AM
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what I find suspicious is the lack of any good high quality images of Dave Dave on Larry king and no good high qaulity footage of Murray in pictures, ones that you can really zoom in on. The selection of images are very limited.

I'm more certain Dave Dave on larry king is Michael than Murray being Michael, i just don't know either way with Murray, some things match and then logical creeps in and then i think "maybe not" but logic really has no part is this at all. i just want one really good image of Murray it seems impossible


*edit* adding pic back in, various changes in a persons eyes
(http://www.iinet.net.au/~pommy_angel/eyezlotsofeyes.jpg)

yeah, you won't really find any good high quality photos of LKL Dave Dave but I posted up on another link of LKL's Dave Dave standing infront/inside of a coffin with his eyes closed standing up. But that's all we get to see. He's got his hat off on the picture. the shape and size of his head looks as small as mj's head does and that guy that was in the car with miko on lkl when they were in the car was supposedly "Dave Dave" but the guy in that picture's head was much bigger and longer than the one that was actually on LKL which totally makes me think it was someone else (Most likely MJ).
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: LUNA on July 09, 2012, 12:29:39 PM
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Leilani81, keep digging into this because I think you'll find more.

Watch this video where it is absolutely clear MJ is singing Dr. Murray resuscitation... If you continue listening she slows MJ's voice right down.  Actually it sounds to me like 'Dr. Murray's hesitation'.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr80kBMva1c[/youtube]

And some older discussion on this idea from before the video above with clearer proof.
Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators &bull; View topic - Dr. Murray's Name in Smooth Criminal Lyrics (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=172&start=0&hilit)

IMO, both Michael and Dr. Murray are the 'smooth criminal's who are getting away with their 'crime'! :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile

 

::) i hear "mouth 2 mouth".

*LUNA*





Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bec on July 09, 2012, 01:34:30 PM
Luna, just out of curiosity, what is your native language?
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: LUNA on July 09, 2012, 01:42:34 PM
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Luna, just out of curiosity, what is your native language?



italian! (sorry 4 my english.... i know it's still not perfect,but i'm learning)    :icon_pale:

*LUNA*
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bec on July 09, 2012, 02:07:57 PM
Your English is fine! That's why I had to ask  :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: LUNA on July 09, 2012, 02:17:15 PM
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Your English is fine! That's why I had to ask  :icon_e_wink:


thanx,bec,but it isn't (still) fine,i'm not really satisfied.... i have (and love) 2 learn,but i'll never stop studying (english and other subjects)....
however,thanx 4 the encouragement
      :bearhug:

*LUNA*
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MJonmind on July 12, 2012, 05:20:54 AM
Thanks to Simpa for posting the video on her thread   esprit467 -YT channel - "Michael Jackson death hoax" video series (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22375.50)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-eAQ1B9v4w&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

Is MJ the man Murray sees in the mirror and vica versa?  Interesting the Moonwalker starts with The man in the Mirror, and This is It, ends with The man in the mirror.  The posters for each are so similar as well.


Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bec on July 12, 2012, 07:31:29 AM
I tell you what, that new video of Murray is even weirder then his old video. Something is up with him in that video. I swear he's someone wearing a mask. His mouth moves weird. The upper lip has little or no movement and it's like you always see his bottom teeth jutting out.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Adi on July 12, 2012, 08:41:28 AM
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I tell you what, that new video of Murray is even weirder then his old video. Something is up with him in that video. I swear he's someone wearing a mask. His mouth moves weird. The upper lip has little or no movement and it's like you always see his bottom teeth jutting out.

I agree ......something is definitely goin' on with Dr M in that video....especially his bottom teeth.

Also - watching it on full screen with the sound turned off is interesting too!

Also - his eyebrows or forehead barely move, IF at all! Most people when they are passionate in talking about something usually will raise their eyebrows, or their forehead will crease in the delivery  (unless they've had Botox) - his face looks unnatural in its movements.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Josiec84 on July 12, 2012, 09:14:12 AM
What's the name of that movie that stars that guy from "Wayne's World"?? It's about a man who is the master of disguises - all this is all starting to remind me of that movie.
The movie could be possibly part of the clues
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: RK on July 12, 2012, 09:24:19 AM
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What's the name of that movie that stars that guy from "Wayne's World"?? It's about a man who is the master of disguises - all this is all starting to remind me of that movie.
The movie could be possibly part of the clues

Dana Carvey Master of Disguise. (http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTk5MzI4MDM3MV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNjI0ODYxMQ@@._V1._SY317_CR1,0,214,317_.jpg)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: LUNA on July 12, 2012, 10:12:00 AM
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  esprit467 -YT channel - "Michael Jackson death hoax" video series (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22375.50)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-eAQ1B9v4w&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

if u look at the 2 pictures of the 2 movies,u c that in the 1 of "this is it",mj is turning his back on us,while,in the picture of "moonwalker",u can c the opposite position.could it be a clue? could it mean anything,or it's insignificant?

*LUNA*
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MJonmind on July 12, 2012, 03:21:26 PM
Yes, Front and Back!

Didn't Souza talk about Murray's teeth looking like they were falling out! :icon_lol:
Adi, I've long thought Murray's skin was way too flawless for a man of 59, unless bot-ox. Remember we said that about the Mr. Magoo disguise as well, such smooth skin, not enough aging.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: LUNA on July 12, 2012, 06:46:54 PM
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Yes, Front and Back!

oh,god! back and front (again)! what a coincidence!  :icon_rolleyes:

*LUNA*

Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bec on July 12, 2012, 09:34:54 PM
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I agree ......something is definitely goin' on with Dr M in that video....especially his bottom teeth.

Also - watching it on full screen with the sound turned off is interesting too!

Also - his eyebrows or forehead barely move, IF at all! Most people when they are passionate in talking about something usually will raise their eyebrows, or their forehead will crease in the delivery  (unless they've had Botox) - his face looks unnatural in its movements.

Yup, exactly.

I'll just spit it out, I think it's MJ. I think it's a mask.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on July 13, 2012, 12:03:45 AM
I used to always strongly believe CM was MJ, but I just don't see Michael's eyes in CM, and his voice doesn't sound like Michael's at all... does anyone know if MJ was a good at dif. voices?  :icon_e_geek:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MJonmind on July 13, 2012, 12:07:51 AM
Bec, are you sticking a big toe in the water?  :icon_lol:  I'm still so unsure about it because of the height problem, but at the same time I'm mesmerized by the idea, and the many obvious hints of Front, TS, TMZ going in that disguise direction.

Okay let's just entertain for a minute IF (a big IF) MJ is indeed Murray, how does this effect the whole scenario on the 25th of June. Remember TS's levels? And how he insisted MJ went to the airport like Jermaine said. That didn't sit well with me, and I know you've said TS was slippery.

 :Pulling_hair:


MJFAN7, I posted this a few pages back:
Quote
MJ) Liked to make prank calls to various friends and acquaintances. Russell Crowe recalled such prank calls he received from Michael.  Many times he made prank calls (or answering his phone) using foreign accents and disguising his voice.

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=314;area=showposts;start=50 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=314;area=showposts;start=50)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bec on July 13, 2012, 12:13:02 AM
Oh I just meant in the video. I don't mean all the time.

ps. I don't agree that TS insisted. Slippery. I don't believe any airport story. I believe Coroner Van Video is real, etc.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Adi on July 13, 2012, 01:56:09 AM
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Oh I just meant in the video. I don't mean all the time.

ps. I don't agree that TS insisted. Slippery. I don't believe any airport story. I believe Coroner Van Video is real, etc.

I also think Michael played Dr Murray in this recent video and also the video back in 2009 released after MJ "died" the "da troot will prevail" vid......and I also don't think it's been Michael playing Dr M all the time either.

 :icon_e_smile:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MJonmind on July 13, 2012, 02:45:17 AM
I thought this was an interesting video about why Gerald Posner from the Daily Beast, might have been chosen to interview Murray in the docu.  He apparently also had worked for R. Murdock. But he went on about how stupid and incompetent MJ was. :icon_evil:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1lvOcVccfU&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL1887B343FF002ABB[/youtube]
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: hesouttamylife on July 13, 2012, 08:10:44 AM
Since when did stupid and incompetent earn you the loyalty and adoration of billions? Not to mention the fame and fortune Michael amassed (mad face)  Shows how idiotic people can be when they are full of envy.  Screw that media slimeball. 
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: 2good2btrue on July 13, 2012, 09:41:33 AM
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Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: wishingstar on July 13, 2012, 12:51:43 PM
Random question.......
What time did Jermaine make the death announcement?

I am remembering somewhere around 4pm......just curious.....

Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bec on July 13, 2012, 11:16:29 PM
He sounded like he had a cold because of the nose on the mask. Had to fit an extension beneath his own nose. Pretty impressive actually.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MaryK on July 15, 2012, 03:56:02 PM
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Bec
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Wow. That jacket connection to an original hoax pic is really awesome. MJonmind, you're really on fire lately.
Thanks!  The hoax is never far from my mind day or night, whatever I'm doing, for 3 years now. :D :computer-losy-smiley: :woohoo2:

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@MJonmind....that's absolutely awesome that you found that MJ's pic in Uncle Willy disguise and the jacket is just hang beside the thirty white T-shirt.
humm i kinda thought the jacket looked more like the one from the pic of thome man handling him. the one from fronts hand pic.
It's similar but not the same.

(http://www4.pictures.fp.zimbio.com/Michael+Jackson+Michael+Jackson+Leaving+London+dtykvRgX9Jll.jpg)

Since we have been discussing that particular jacket here, check this out:

TMZ vid-Our Last Encounter with Michael Jackson-Re-uploaded July 15 2012 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22994.msg415513;topicseen#new)

Thanks to TMZ  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bec on July 15, 2012, 08:35:24 PM
Yeah I saw that MaryK. Clever they are. Not a coincidence.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MJonmind on July 16, 2012, 01:35:58 AM
Well in the Back and Front thread, Front quoted me saying we now know where the hand in his post was taken from (seeing Oliver on Mar. 7, 09), as well as congratulating SEHF for finding it. Nothing more was researched on it, and perhaps we should have.
Official back & Front thread (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=5167.msg409939#msg409939)

Here’s Jono saying she also found it (here’s the pic), after SEHF strangely removed the pic right after posting it. And she also posts the original hand that Front posted.
Official back & Front thread (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=5167.msg409896#msg409896)

So I guess MJ wore the same jacket a few times.
Not a coincidence? Maybe, but then what are they or MJ trying to tell us?
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on July 16, 2012, 05:57:28 AM
well as for murray = MJ, i have no idea. i doubt it. but then again am open to anything these days!

however i re-watched the "dont judge me video" again mashed with the "thanks for your support" video on YT

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLW2E2kOn6w&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]


there is no natural movement in his forehead or brow whatsoever. if this isnt serious botox wacked in there, then it certainly is face putty / prothetic / make up or mask. i am leaning towards the later.

also when you compare two videos. does anyone else see when they look at murrays nostrils, in specific his left one, (our right) it is small in the "thanks for support video" and then larger in the "dont judge me video"

not saying that these are two different murrays (although they could well be) but makes me feel that murray maybe isnt even a real person and the murray character we know, or at least the murray who is recording these messages is a make up / mask murray. perhaps in the "dont judge me video, the make up is slightly off and not 100% perfect in comaprison with other murrays, also makes sense regarding the weird thing happening with the lips & teeth

i could be wrong and looking for things.

can someone please watch the mash up and see if they see different left nostrils, a big and a small. i know its a small thing. but i am keen to know if i am seeing things and if this could be confirmation of a make up / mask murray.



*loosing it*

(http://thumbs.gograph.com/gg59143918.jpg)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: diggyon on July 16, 2012, 07:36:12 AM
@ Aussie and MaryK,

(http://essexacupunctureroom.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/thank-you-note.jpg)

I'm on the right track again.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: 2good2btrue on July 16, 2012, 08:03:51 AM
Aussie, you mean like this ??  How sometimes his nostrils are wide and higher, and other times the nose looks different..

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/gallery/1346_16_07_12_12_57_27.jpeg)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on July 16, 2012, 08:08:06 AM
YES!!! like this and especially like in the video i posted up.

i think for me personally i have finally come to the two murray's thing. woo hoo! breakthru for me. (i love coming to new understandings - even if i am delayed and behind compared to other members)

thanks 2good x
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: curls on July 16, 2012, 08:34:49 AM
Wow - noses are very different!!

Out on a limb here: courtroom Murray = actor,  video/photo Murray = MJ

How does that sound?!
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MaryK on July 16, 2012, 09:19:32 AM
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Simpa, congrats on another excellent video,  MJ=CM 2!
 :th_bravo: :th_bravo:


Yikes, I found it!!!!

(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrnx5qUm2f1r2ypnoo1_500.jpg)
(http://www.thefablife.com/files/2009/08/michael-jackson-bloody-shirt.jpg)

Has this been mentioned before anywhere guys?

So is this MJ closet for his disguises?
So ya know where I'm goin' with the make-up on the shirt now!!!!

We'll "keep it in the closet" alright! :icon_lol:

One more thought:

Wasn´t that the same closet where Doc Murray supposedly had stored large amounts of  Propofol along with I.V. equipment?

So if the jacket clue is pointing towards the possibility of the closet being a storage for (hoax)props we certainly know what to think about Prop-ofol, don´t we?  :icon_mrgreen:

I know that Prop-ofol is not a new idea but I really like the analogy that can be drawn here in this particular case.

Nice add-on.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bec on July 16, 2012, 09:30:29 AM
Aussie:
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there is no natural movement in his forehead or brow whatsoever. if this isnt serious botox wacked in there, then it certainly is face putty / prothetic / make up or mask. i am leaning towards the later.

Yeah this is damning. I can't get over it actually. Do we have any pics of Murray furrowing his brow? I do it all the time, especially when engaged in conversation, I'll notice. Eyebrows go up n down depending on emotion of the words, brow furrows, eyes narrow or open, etc. Murray's face is frozen except for his mouth. It's not normal nor biologically natural.

Additionally, I've thought it is possible for those to be MJs eyes, if the bottom lid is built up and part of the facial prosthetic, it would diminish the size and disguise the shape of the natural eye.

I'm pretty convinced video statement(s) Murray is a man in a mask. And I'm convinced that man would be no one other then MJ.

curls:
Quote
Out on a limb here: courtroom Murray = actor,  video/photo Murray = MJ

How does that sound?!

Sounds right to me.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: diggyon on July 16, 2012, 09:49:48 AM
May be when it comes to videos or photos, then it could be MJ we are seeing because photos can be photoshopped and videos can be edited. But when Murray is around other people like in court for example, then it is Murray, the actor. (my theory!)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MaryK on July 16, 2012, 11:34:57 AM
Alright...hodgepodge of thoughts in my head by now.  :icon_e_confused:

The following is only semi-serious and very far-fetched but still entertaining IMO, so I´ll throw it in here for you.

Remember this "Crime scene" pic?:

(http://www.intmensorg.info/images/mjdb.jpg)

The toothpaste tube on the bed. Always struck me as one of the oddest items there.

We´ve talked about Doc Murray´s teeth ( "lying through his teeth"). Possible clue or am I officially nuts?  :icon_e_wink:

Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bec on July 16, 2012, 12:37:30 PM
A little nuts, Mary  :icon_e_wink:

I'm glad you posted that pic again. It's been a long time. New/old perspective says OF COURSE this is a staged pic. Why would MJ sleep on one side of the bed? This is what married people do, or people who are used to sleeping with another person or a pet. They have a side they sleep on even if they are alone in the bed, it's just a habit. But people who are single or not used to sleeping with another person or a pet would really have no pressure to drive this habit of sleeping off center and tend to sleep more near the middle of the bed. Not only are there two sets of pillows on the bed, as if denoting a space for another person, the bed clothes indicate a side sleeper as well. And not just a slight side preference, but it's as if the person were all cramped and nearly hanging off the side like when the person next to them is a bed hog.

Additionally, I'm not so sure now that's a toothpaste tube box, I know it's been widely accepted as such and not challenged to my knowledge in light of 834867459 other things more interesting about this pic and the situation at the time it was this was first introduced. But looking at it now that box could be anything. Maybe its a box of that skin cream that was so important. Maybe The Sun just thought it was toothpaste and decided on the caption and thus it became toothpaste. I don't know.

@diggyon, that's a good theory. Perhaps like Dave Dave, the Murray mask is based on a real person, that real person being the actor who plays Dr. Conrad Murray in the liver performance portion.

I watched the video again. Murray does move his eye brows briefly and gently at one point in the recent video. But watch, they move together as if an entire unit across his upper eye orbit area, not two eyebrows but one eyebrow ridge, do you see? 1:00-1:02 in the video Aussie posted from TMZ. "...a sounding board for Michael's person problems and emotional pains". His forehead remains without a wrinkle and afterwards his face goes right back to being exactly the same expression as before the movement.

I swear that's a mask. Well, partial mask/facial prosthesis/makeup, Hollywood big budget style.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MaryK on July 16, 2012, 01:09:57 PM
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A little nuts, Mary  :icon_e_wink:

I'm glad you posted that pic again. It's been a long time. New/old perspective says OF COURSE this is a staged pic. Why would MJ sleep on one side of the bed? This is what married people do, or people who are used to sleeping with another person or a pet. They have a side they sleep on even if they are alone in the bed, it's just a habit. But people who are single or not used to sleeping with another person or a pet would really have no pressure to drive this habit of sleeping off center and tend to sleep more near the middle of the bed. Not only are there two sets of pillows on the bed, as if denoting a space for another person, the bed clothes indicate a side sleeper as well. And not just a slight side preference, but it's as if the person were all cramped and nearly hanging off the side like when the person next to them is a bed hog.

Additionally, I'm not so sure now that's a toothpaste tube box, I know it's been widely accepted as such and not challenged to my knowledge in light of 834867459 other things more interesting about this pic and the situation at the time it was this was first introduced. But looking at it now that box could be anything. Maybe its a box of that skin cream that was so important. Maybe The Sun just thought it was toothpaste and decided on the caption and thus it became toothpaste. I don't know.

@diggyon, that's a good theory. Perhaps like Dave Dave, the Murray mask is based on a real person, that real person being the actor who plays Dr. Conrad Murray in the liver performance portion.

I watched the video again. Murray does move his eye brows briefly and gently at one point in the recent video. But watch, they move together as if an entire unit across his upper eye orbit area, not two eyebrows but one eyebrow ridge, do you see? 1:00-1:02 in the video Aussie posted from TMZ. "...a sounding board for Michael's person problems and emotional pains". His forehead remains without a wrinkle and afterwards his face goes right back to being exactly the same expression as before the movement.

I swear that's a mask. Well, partial mask/facial prosthesis/makeup, Hollywood big budget style.

Lol...thank you so much bec  :icon_mrgreen:

Well yes, it´s been a long time.
Personally (even though I am not a long-term hoaxer like many of you) I love to go back to things that have been looked at and analyzed in the past over and over again.
Maybe there are still things out there that we might have overlooked.
For me that´s very entertaining and I am more than happy when the opportunity presents itself (like in this case).

And even though I know that I will probably never be able to grasp the ingenuity of this hoax (and the mastermind behind the scenes) and sometimes it drives me crazy, I still am grateful and very much intrigued.
So thank you very much to all the hoax executives and participants...
and Michael, if you are reading: have I told you lately that I love you?  :icon_e_wink:  :bearhug:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bec on July 16, 2012, 01:21:11 PM
I meant to say we're all a little nuts, Mary.

You see those little brow lines on the inside of Murray's eyebrows as seen in the still of Aussie's post where she embedded it? Post #250. Those lines are always present throughout the video exactly how they appear in the still, they never change in size or appearance or move the whole time Murray speaks. They don't even change when Murray raises his brows at 1:00 mark. They move right with the eyebrows as if all one unit.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MaryK on July 16, 2012, 01:28:53 PM
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I meant to say we're all a little nuts, Mary.

You see those little brow lines on the inside of Murray's eyebrows as seen in the still of Aussie's post where she embedded it? Post #250. Those lines are always present throughout the video exactly how they appear in the still, they never change in size or appearance or move the whole time Murray speaks. They don't even change when Murray raises his brows at 1:00 mark. They move right with the eyebrows as if all one unit.

I know bec. Was just kidding.  :bearhug:

As for the eyebrow/forehead thing:

I totally agree with all you said.
I am with you on that. Must be a mask (or as you said partial mask/facial prosthesis/makeup). So unnatural.

What I have also noticed is that he seems to be avoiding "speaking with his eyes". Know what I mean?
Litte or no emotion, wink or movement.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: diggyon on July 16, 2012, 02:09:21 PM
Here are Murray's pictures from his two videos.

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/1.png)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/2eze.png)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/3frf.png)

Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: diggyon on July 16, 2012, 02:14:46 PM
Here are Murray's pictures from his two videos.

In the first one we see the arrows pointing at a skin area that is lighter than the rest of his face.

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/1.png)

The next picture is from the other video and again the arrows point at the same area that is still lighter than the rest of the face!
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/2eze.png)

Still the same video, but a different angle, still the same area is lighter than the rest of the face.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/3frf.png)

I'm not a light expert but it seems to me that this area of his face is not lighter because of light reflection. It seems that this area is artificial in a way. Guys, what do you think?

Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: LUNA on July 16, 2012, 02:32:03 PM
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I am with you on that. Must be a mask (or as you said partial mask/facial prosthesis/makeup). So unnatural.
What I have also noticed is that he seems to be avoiding "speaking with his eyes". Know what I mean?
Litte or no emotion, wink or movement.


i agree! he is acting a script,don't u think? but,i know:even if he had been the real mj's doctor,he would have "played" during a speech..... his body/face language makes me understand he's not spontaneous... i don't c spontaneous movements or eyes. :icon_e_surprised:

*LUNA*




Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bec on July 16, 2012, 03:28:58 PM
Well even if this was real and Murray wasn't a character in the hoax, he would likely be reading off a script in his videotaped message. That would be considered normal in my opinion. You don't make a video taped message off the cuff, you plan what you are going to say and write it out, probably even read it when on camera if it's long. That was you're less likely to stumble or ramble and require more takes.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 16, 2012, 05:05:22 PM
Bec quote:

Quote
Additionally, I've thought it is possible for those to be MJs eyes, if the bottom lid is built up and part of the facial prosthetic, it would diminish the size and disguise the shape of the natural eye.

Well said Bec, look at this Michael pic in disguise from Ghost video:


(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LkN9vlT1qzs/Tq5FA3FQrCI/AAAAAAAACxc/JQdvWDBZaxU/s1600/MJ+1996+Ghosts+41.jpg)

We all know he is Michael for sure however if we hadn't known he was Michael we would say he is not him because his eyes look different, yes or not?
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: SimPattyK on July 16, 2012, 06:34:35 PM
Quote from: Bec
[...]OF COURSE this is a staged pic. Why would MJ sleep on one side of the bed? This is what married people do, or people who are used to sleeping with another person or a pet. They have a side they sleep on even if they are alone in the bed, it's just a habit. But people who are single or not used to sleeping with another person or a pet would really have no pressure to drive this habit of sleeping off center and tend to sleep more near the middle of the bed. Not only are there two sets of pillows on the bed, as if denoting a space for another person, the bed clothes indicate a side sleeper as well. And not just a slight side preference, but it's as if the person were all cramped and nearly hanging off the side like when the person next to them is a bed hog.[...]

Maybe Michael DID share the bed with someone.... a secret Lady  in his life !  :icon_e_wink:
Or maybe the kids liked to sleep with their daddy from time to time... when they missed him or when they were scared at night...
I agree with you, the photo is staged... maybe even the bed is made to look like 2 people slept in it, who knows!



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Here are Murray's pictures from his two videos.
In the first one we see the arrows pointing at a skin area that is lighter than the rest of his face.
[....]
The next picture is from the other video and again the arrows point at the same area that is still lighter than the rest of the face!
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/2eze.png)
[...]
^^ Not only his forehead, but also his cheeks

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/image1a.jpg)


These are great print-screens @diggyon  :th_bravo:
I think you're right! I think this could prove what @MJonMind said about the "bloody" shirt being actually dirty because of some brown facial-cream! Most probably that 'shirt' was used by Michael to wipe out the surplus of brown make-up or wipe his hands after he finished putting on the Murray-mask!
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: SimPattyK on July 16, 2012, 06:38:11 PM
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Aussie, you mean like this ??  How sometimes his nostrils are wide and higher, and other times the nose looks different..

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/gallery/1346_16_07_12_12_57_27.jpeg)

Great montage! he really seems to have 2 noses  :icon_lol:
Funny how even when he's in disguise, people still comment about his nose!!  :thjajaja121:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on July 16, 2012, 07:00:42 PM
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Aussie:
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there is no natural movement in his forehead or brow whatsoever. if this isnt serious botox wacked in there, then it certainly is face putty / prothetic / make up or mask. i am leaning towards the later.

Yeah this is damning. I can't get over it actually. Do we have any pics of Murray furrowing his brow? I do it all the time, especially when engaged in conversation, I'll notice. Eyebrows go up n down depending on emotion of the words, brow furrows, eyes narrow or open, etc. Murray's face is frozen except for his mouth. It's not normal nor biologically natural.



ok, confession time... all i know is that i personally have botox in two areas in my forehead (vain huh?) and i have waaaaaaaayyyyy more movement than murray has, both in my forehead and eyebrows. i have NEVER seen an alteration in his expression (in video messages) always the same. in those video messages he is talking about some pretty emotional stuff. yet zero facial movement.



Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: diggyon on July 16, 2012, 07:01:47 PM
Thank you Sim, I'm trying to improve my hoaxing skills. :LolLolLolLol:
As for the cheeks: I noticed they have a different color but was not sure weather they have light reflection on them or not.
The shirt is still confusing me. Would someone buy a white shirt just to wipe his hands with it after having a make-up? That's what towels are for. (or may be tissues?). May be this shirt doesn't belong to MJ and belongs to the make-up artist? If we see sergeants after an operation we might faint because of all the blood they have on their coats. Cooks have also soup and sauce stains on their shirts when they cook. So what about make-up artists? The one we know is Karen Faye. So if we find a picture of her wearing that shirt, then I believe the mystery of Murray is solved forever. (Just my theory!)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on July 16, 2012, 07:09:09 PM
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(http://www.intmensorg.info/images/mjdb.jpg)


bwahahaha. thanks for posting this again mary! haven't seen it in a while. the instruction manual makes me laugh every time. and imagining murray supposedly doing CPR on the bed amongst twisted blackets, crap everywhere, dvd's, dolls, cushions, prayer beads, etc... it still baffles me how any so called 'normal person' can not see that this is a staged scene. i can not BELIEVE that there are people who still think this is legitimate. just looking at the photo makes me LOL and to think actually think that this is where and the conditions people believe that Murray gave CPR to MJ is hilarious.



EDIT: another thing that i find hilarious, is that MJ supposedly had bruises on chest from excessive and aggressive CPR in an attempt to resuscitate him. imagine how hard they must have been going at it? yet none of these loose items fell off the bed? pffft! LOL LOL LOL


DOUBLE EDIT: instruction manual sitting *op top* of CPR apparatus. what, they tried to revive MJ and it didn't work? so before leaving the room placed the CPR thingie on the floor and placed the manual neatly on top before leaving the room for the hospital? paramedics even needing instruction manuals?? ROFL LOL LOL LOL
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on July 16, 2012, 07:13:23 PM
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Bec quote:

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Additionally, I've thought it is possible for those to be MJs eyes, if the bottom lid is built up and part of the facial prosthetic, it would diminish the size and disguise the shape of the natural eye.

Well said Bec, look at this Michael pic in disguise from Ghost video:


(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LkN9vlT1qzs/Tq5FA3FQrCI/AAAAAAAACxc/JQdvWDBZaxU/s1600/MJ+1996+Ghosts+41.jpg)

We all know he is Michael for sure however if we hadn't known he was Michael we would say he is not him because his eyes look different, yes or not?

when you put it like that, no. at first glance and if i didn't know better, no i wouldn't think this is MJ. but if i were looking at this for extended time and still not know it was Michael, i might say, "hey how weird, this old white guy seriously has the same eyes as MJ" and then being a huge MJ fan and knowing about his passion for disguise, i might make the connection.

who knows. maybe not. but devils advocate
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MaryK on July 16, 2012, 07:16:09 PM
Oh boy....meanwhile I really dote on this thread.

Still "nibbling at the shirt"  :icon_lol:

I know that Michael wore those V-neck style shirts quite a bit.

However I think many people will possibly first think of the following 2 (famous and well-known) occasions on which he wore them:

1. Bad tour-Man in the Mirror

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Cm5zhao9A_w/TfXeVcYqhFI/AAAAAAAAACU/CB4lGlyCZqo/s1600/Bad-Tour-Man-In-The-Mirror-michael-jackson-8035894-397-600.jpg)

2. Ghosts

(http://www.innermichael.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/ghosts1.png)

Both are excellent hoax references, especially in the light of the particular discussion on this thread.

Man in the mirror - remember Murray and the Man in the Mirror scene from the infamous documentary.

Ghosts - the mayor --> disguise, mask

So yeah...maybe that´s really the purpose of the shirt in the closet: to hint at CM=MJ or at least: pay close attention to CM!

Very subtle clues though.
 
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: SimPattyK on July 16, 2012, 07:23:05 PM
@Aussie & MaryK: excellent posts!! :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 16, 2012, 07:29:27 PM
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Oh boy....meanwhile I really dote on this thread.

Still "nibbling at the shirt"  :icon_lol:

I know that Michael wore those V-neck style shirts quite a bit.

However I think many people will possibly first think of the following 2 (famous and well-known) occasions on which he wore them:

1. Bad tour-Man in the Mirror

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Cm5zhao9A_w/TfXeVcYqhFI/AAAAAAAAACU/CB4lGlyCZqo/s1600/Bad-Tour-Man-In-The-Mirror-michael-jackson-8035894-397-600.jpg)

2. Ghosts

(http://www.innermichael.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/ghosts1.png)

Both are excellent hoax references, especially in the light of the particular discussion on this thread.

Man in the mirror - remember Murray and the Man in the Mirror scene from the infamous documentary.

Ghosts - the mayor --> disguise, mask

So yeah...maybe that´s really the purpose of the shirt in the closet: to hint at CM=MJ or at least: pay close attention to CM!

Very subtle clues though.

(http://rlv.zcache.es/cara_del_smiley_de_la_bombilla_pegatina-p217261680847647083envb3_400.jpg)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: marumjj on July 16, 2012, 07:56:36 PM
It also seems that with the years Murray has changed his skin tone

Murray was arrested by police in 1994, for domestic violence involving his then girlfriend.

(http://media.sawfnews.com/images/SplashNews/Conrad_Murray_spl115326_001.jpg)

video photo

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2009/08/18/murray-1.jpg)

another stage of CM metamofosis
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Lm6crJoqOvI/TtfUHTOqrmI/AAAAAAAADq4/qd1Y2F-k4_M/s1600/conrad+murray+mayor.jpg)

TMZ latter with a nice message

(http://www.twittingstars.com/uploads/2011/08/0827-conrad-murray-vid-credit.jpg)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MaryK on July 16, 2012, 08:40:45 PM
Still at it....lol....

From diggyon´s post (thanks diggy!)-colors inverted:

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/1pop.png)

From making of Thriller:

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/makingthri.jpg)

Maybe these highlighted areas are the areas where the prosthetic parts have been fixed.

Oh well.....that´s it for now...I´ll now go, hide under a rock, put on my straitjacket and let it simmer  :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Adi on July 16, 2012, 09:06:27 PM
This is from earlier in this thread...but I thought it was worthwhile putting the photos here again as I think it shows 2 different 'appearances' of Dr Murray .......the pictures were supposedly taken only a few days apart and the difference in the 2 faces is obvious....mostly due to differences of weight on the face plus the top picture Dr M looks younger than the bottom one....also I think the nostrils are different between the 2.

This discussion reminds me of the TMZ "Spot the Difference" with the 3 little "sneeky differences" between the same photo of a celebrity....(EDIT: actually that should read 'What's the Big Frigin' Difference ?' on TMZ)  What's The Big Frigin' Difference | TMZ.com (http://www.tmz.com/category/whats-the-big-frigin-difference/)


(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/0104conrad.jpg) 

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/0106conrad.jpg)



What IF Conrad Murray is MJ (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22702.msg407057#msg407057)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on July 17, 2012, 12:19:12 AM
bow tie murray looks like he has a pillow stuffed in his shirt  :thjajaja121:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MJonmind on July 17, 2012, 03:26:51 AM
In this interview Rick Baker calls himself, ‘The Monster-maker’.
Signs outside the courtroom called Murray a monster. :icon_e_wink:
Do you think Rick had time to help MJ with this project? He may have had to help him with DD, Mr. Magoo, and more.

Watch this interesting interview:  Men in Black 3: Building a better alien featurette  (scroll down a bit)

‘Men In Black 3′ Video Interview: Legendary Creature Creator Rick Baker (http://screenrant.com/men-in-black-3-interviews-rick-baker-rothc-173775/)


Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: 2good2btrue on July 17, 2012, 04:04:15 AM
Michael always wore his famous white t-shirts.....even as pyjamas at the trial........

url=http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/?v=articleze.jpg](http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/thumbs/articleze.jpg)[/url]

A blood stained white shirt was found hanging in Michael Jackson's wardrobe following his death in June 2009.

The T-shirt still had the price tag on it, prompting suggestions that it could have been used to mop up blood
, according to Radar Online.

There are extensive blood stains on the shoulder and chest areas of the tight fitting white top, which was not taken away by investigators. The shirt was found in the luxury mansion in the Holmby Hills area of Los Angeles which Jackson was renting for he and his three children back in 2009.   

Read more: Conrad Murray trial: Blood stained shirt found in Michael Jackson's bedroom after his death | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2046156/Conrad-Murray-trial-Blood-stained-shirt-Michael-Jacksons-bedroom-death.html#ixzz20s0QVuQo)

How can they speculate about what happened with the shirt.....and why wasn't it taken to forensics for DNA testing???  This doesn't make sense at all.....Who would hang the shirt back up anyway? 
The shirt is all crumpled....so without DNA testing, it could be anything on the shirt, including makeup as suggested....

Another thought I had is that it is a V-neckline.........V for Vendetta
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Adi on July 17, 2012, 06:11:52 AM
Way back when I first started believing Michael had hoaxed is death, this picture always made me think of "Keep it in the Closet". It could be makeup as suggested ....I have also thought it looks like hair dye......I have old t-shirts and towels which I wear when I put a colour through my hair and mostly I go for dark auburn/brown colours...which leave almost the exact same stain as this when it drips all over me onto the t-shirt/towel.

As you say 2good.....it wasn't taken in for forensic testing IF it is in fact  blood - why was it not raised by the Prosecution at the Dr M trial?
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MaryK on July 17, 2012, 07:12:18 AM
While searching the web for "Thriller/makeup" references I came across this brief account from Jordu Schell.

Schordu Schell is an American sculptor and concept artist who, for example, worked on the design for creatures in James Cameron's movie Avatar.

More info on Schordu Schell here:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordu_Schell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordu_Schell)

Anyway, here´s what he had to say:

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"I was contacted by my friend Karen Faye, Michael’s personal makeup artist (who has been with him since making him up for the ‘Thriller’ album cover), to potentially do some masks for the ‘Ghosts’ segment of his upcoming tour in England, but things fizzled when it became clear that there wasn’t enough time to do them properly. I had a feeling then that this show was possibly going to end disastrously, but I had no idea what level of disaster was waiting the beleaguered star only a month away. It is still hard to comprehend the scope of this thing, and I have not come anywhere near facing its total impact. But I do know that the ramifications are enormous, America’s version of the Princess Diana tragedy."

vallieegirl67.com/2012/04/18/michael-jackson-tribute-bust-by-jordu-shell/ (http://vallieegirl67.com/2012/04/18/michael-jackson-tribute-bust-by-jordu-shell/)

Don´t know what to think about that though.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: LUNA on July 17, 2012, 07:25:48 AM
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It also seems that with the years Murray has changed his skin tone

Murray was arrested by police in 1994, for domestic violence involving his then girlfriend.

(http://media.sawfnews.com/images/SplashNews/Conrad_Murray_spl115326_001.jpg)

video photo

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2009/08/18/murray-1.jpg)

another stage of CM metamofosis
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Lm6crJoqOvI/TtfUHTOqrmI/AAAAAAAADq4/qd1Y2F-k4_M/s1600/conrad+murray+mayor.jpg)

TMZ latter with a nice message

(http://www.twittingstars.com/uploads/2011/08/0827-conrad-murray-vid-credit.jpg)

mhhh... make up? (or r u saying mj is disguising himself as a real actor?)  :WTF: blind alley...  :smiley-vault-misc-150:

LUNA
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: 2good2btrue on July 17, 2012, 07:40:50 AM
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Way back when I first started believing Michael had hoaxed is death, this picture always made me think of "Keep it in the Closet". It could be makeup as suggested ....I have also thought it looks like hair dye......I have old t-shirts and towels which I wear when I put a colour through my hair and mostly I go for dark auburn/brown colours...which leave almost the exact same stain as this when it drips all over me onto the t-shirt/towel.

As you say 2good.....it wasn't taken in for forensic testing IF it is in fact  blood - why was it not raised by the Prosecution at the Dr M trial?


I always use a dark coloured old t-shirt, or an old towel too...Never a white t-shirt....

Michael was sleeping in Murrays room from what I'm remember.......so the wardrobe could be his...behind the red curtain..!!!! 

I can never get Marlons speech out of my head..."He was an older gentleman, with short afro hair, buck-crooked teeth and his clothes were rumpled"

Well, everything matches with MJ being Murray, but the buck-crooked teeth is a mystery........"I know your walk, your talk, your body language"  I can recognise you regardless of your makeup"


Michael Jackson Memorial: Brothers Speak - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecIAmiEaipM)

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Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Adi on July 18, 2012, 12:08:30 AM
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Way back when I first started believing Michael had hoaxed is death, this picture always made me think of "Keep it in the Closet". It could be makeup as suggested ....I have also thought it looks like hair dye......I have old t-shirts and towels which I wear when I put a colour through my hair and mostly I go for dark auburn/brown colours...which leave almost the exact same stain as this when it drips all over me onto the t-shirt/towel.

As you say 2good.....it wasn't taken in for forensic testing IF it is in fact  blood - why was it not raised by the Prosecution at the Dr M trial?

Is this just a "coincidence"?? after the discussion about the V neck white t-shirt and my referring above to In the Closet about the "blood stained" white shirt ?

The current post on the MJ Facebook is this picture from "In the Closet"  Michael Jackson | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/michaeljackson)    :icon_cool:

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/intheclose.jpg)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bec on July 18, 2012, 12:19:36 AM
Oh I'm glad you posted  that, Adi. I saw that this morning and immediately thought of your post but couldn't remember where I saw it. Today's MJ FB post was shortly after you posted that.

Quote
Michael Jackson
12 hours ago
Video Trivia: Which supermodel makes a cameo in MJ’s video for 1992’s “In The Closet”?

@Front, nice to see you following the thread.

Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on July 18, 2012, 12:27:09 AM
woot woot!

 :michael-jackson: :michael-jackson: :michael-jackson:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: curls on July 18, 2012, 01:36:24 AM
I really try not to get too excited by these 'coincidences', just in case that's all they are.  But wow - this 'In the Closet' one is pretty much in your face!
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MJonmind on July 18, 2012, 05:49:31 AM
Aww sweet,  MJ Facebook!

2good2btrue
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I can never get Marlons speech out of my head..."He was an older gentleman, with short afro hair, buck-crooked teeth and his clothes were rumpled"
Never thought of it that way before! :icon_e_biggrin:  I was always thinking he meant this one, but I see now he's not 'older' nor with 'short' hair:

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WCufLg7zyy4/T2MS2SwO5XI/AAAAAAAABS8/X2bWr6N81GE/s1600/Michael+Jackson++in+disguise.jpg)

Marlon went on to say, "And those shoes didn't help."  Has anyone seen pics of Murray's shoes, besides his dress shoes with the paisley tie?


This pic is to show Murray's forehead can get creased when crying (can cry on demand like MJ taught Paris). Looks like a cut by his right eyebrow or make-up problem. I remember he dabbed his eyes like a person with a lot of makeup.

(http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2011/09/28/165348-dr-conrad-murray.jpg)

Murray seriously must have gotten bot-ox on his face. Compare these 2 shots.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/11/11/article-2060455-0EC3EF8D00000578-426_468x524.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/11/11/article-0-0EB57E1A00000578-658_468x598.jpg)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Adi on July 18, 2012, 07:32:09 AM
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Way back when I first started believing Michael had hoaxed is death, this picture always made me think of "Keep it in the Closet". It could be makeup as suggested ....I have also thought it looks like hair dye......I have old t-shirts and towels which I wear when I put a colour through my hair and mostly I go for dark auburn/brown colours...which leave almost the exact same stain as this when it drips all over me onto the t-shirt/towel.

As you say 2good.....it wasn't taken in for forensic testing IF it is in fact  blood - why was it not raised by the Prosecution at the Dr M trial?

Is this just a "coincidence"?? after the discussion about the V neck white t-shirt and my referring above to In the Closet about the "blood stained" white shirt ?

The current post on the MJ Facebook is this picture from "In the Closet"  Michael Jackson | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/michaeljackson)    :icon_cool:

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/intheclose.jpg)


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Oh I'm glad you posted  that, Adi. I saw that this morning and immediately thought of your post but couldn't remember where I saw it. Today's MJ FB post was shortly after you posted that.

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Michael Jackson
12 hours ago
Video Trivia: Which supermodel makes a cameo in MJ’s video for 1992’s “In The Closet”?

@Front, nice to see you following the thread.

After I made my post about "In the Closet" I went to bed...and I know it wasn't on the MJ Facebook when I went to bed because I had the MJ Facebook page open and it wasn't there when I shut down the computer......so yeah interesting it was there this morning when I checked.

It is an intriguing FB post considering the subject of this thread, i.e. "What IF Conrad Murray is MJ". Is this a validation that CM is MJ after we had been discussing V neck t-shirts, blood stained white shirts and then "In the Closet"  here in this thread.....or is it just me that thinks that? Having an over-hoaxed momment? aaagghhhhhhhh   :icon_lol:

@MJonmind......great comparisons, especially regarding the forehead wrinkles. IDK.....maybe there are two Dr. Murray's. Perhaps at certain times one is MJ wearing prosthetic makeup (playing starring role in those 2 major hoax videos & possibly in some other photo shoots) and the other  Dr M we have seen is a real person, i.e. the person who fronted up at the trial and other significant appearances?
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bec on July 18, 2012, 08:12:44 AM
Dude, I forgot what thread I was on.

Front is following the What IF Murray is MJ thread?? Interesting.

I mean Adi, he posted that RIGHT after your post. Not hours, not even half an hour, we are talking minutes. But FB doesn't track posts down to the minute, only vaguely, as you see, so no way to prove how close that really was unless you were sitting there watching both sites (like I was, lol, awkward).

Like Aussie said earlier, botox cannot work THAT well. The muscles have to contract some what, they are not completely paralyzed. If they were, the recipient couldn't raise their eyebrows at all. Murray clearly IS raising his eyebrows yet... no lines.

Mwahahahaha. We gotcha  :icon_e_biggrin:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on July 18, 2012, 08:20:22 AM
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Mwahahahaha. We gotcha  :icon_e_biggrin:


lol @ bec. you sound like when bush got saddam...

jk.


i have been out with my girlfriends all night. have been busting to get home to write in about front validation on a very interesting thread indeed! we are onto something alright!

 :michael-jackson: :michael-jackson: :michael-jackson:

Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Adi on July 18, 2012, 09:06:40 AM
@bec and Aussie  :icon_cool:

I was like you too bec and perusing both sites and I'm certain the "In the Closet" picture wasn't on the MJ Facebook when I logged off to go to  bed..... it was still the post about "Inside the BAD 25 Collectors Edition Box"

I totally agree  regarding the look of having a prosthetic mask or something, unnatural movements etc......I  made a post in this thread about it last week  What IF Conrad Murray is MJ (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22702.msg414964#msg414964)

Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 18, 2012, 10:23:57 AM
Bec:
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Front is following the What IF Murray is MJ thread?? Interesting.

Yes we'd better rename this thread: "What IF Murray is Front thread?" :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bec on July 18, 2012, 10:33:14 AM
Well TS has come out on multiple occasions n said he is Murray.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: emulik on July 18, 2012, 12:12:11 PM
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Bec:
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Front is following the What IF Murray is MJ thread?? Interesting.

Yes we'd better rename this thread: "What IF Murray is Front thread?" :LolLolLolLol:
LOL!! good idea!! :) anyway, it is good to know that Front is around!
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bec on July 18, 2012, 12:24:11 PM
Was there ever any doubt? The account was created here for a reason.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: emulik on July 18, 2012, 03:14:37 PM
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Was there ever any doubt? The account was created here for a reason.
absolutely bec!
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: blankie on July 18, 2012, 06:12:13 PM
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Was there ever any doubt? The account was created here for a reason.
absolutely bec!

I think the same !!  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Violet on July 25, 2012, 08:12:27 AM
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(http://www.nahrejto.cz/pics/d276768367b71e66bddf23e5e16fcb60.jpg) (http://www.nahrejto.cz/#d276768367b71e66bddf23e5e16fcb60.jpg)
(http://www.nahrejto.cz/pics/2f19cc27d427a8c3805f68424105b345.jpg) (http://www.nahrejto.cz/#2f19cc27d427a8c3805f68424105b345.jpg)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: SimPattyK on July 25, 2012, 04:22:49 PM
Excellent comparison-montage!  :th_bravo:
Welcome here , Violet! :bearhug:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Violet on July 25, 2012, 05:10:53 PM
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Excellent comparison-montage!  :th_bravo:
Welcome here , Violet! :bearhug:

Thank you and nice to meet you! :) :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on July 26, 2012, 10:03:40 AM
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(http://www.nahrejto.cz/pics/2f19cc27d427a8c3805f68424105b345.jpg)


meh ...
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MJonmind on July 27, 2012, 02:34:19 AM
Just thought I'd add Murray's letter to his patients which always sounded so Michaelish to me.  And I love that his absence is not permanent. (BAM!)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/murraylett.jpg)

And I want to add the current Jackson feud news insert of the sentence:
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In fact, TJ claims one of his aunts -- either Janet or Rebbie -- arranged for a person to IMPERSONATE A DOCTOR to convince Katherine to blow off a concert series and instead fly with her conspiratorial children to Arizona.

TJ Jackson -- Katherine WANTED ME to Take the Kids | TMZ.com (http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/25/tj-jackson-katherine-wanted-me-to-take-the-kids/)
With MJ's death hoax he 'blew off' his TII London tour! :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: SimPattyK on July 27, 2012, 07:10:22 AM
Conrad Murray invites Katherine Jackson to visit him in jail 
psiqueland.wordpress.com/2012/07/27/conrad-murray-invites-katherine-jackson-to-visit-him-in-jail/

:icon_eek: :affraid: :icon_albino: :icon_e_biggrin: :animal0017: :suspect:  :)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/drconradmu.jpg)

hee hee.. a son gotta see his mom from time to time, don't they?  :icon_geek: :icon_lol: :icon_lol:


VIDEO here: Conrad Murray invites Katherine Jackson to visit him in jail - CNN.com (http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/26/showbiz/conrad-murray-katherine-jackson/index.html)


Conrad Murray is serving a four-year sentence for involuntary manslaughter in Michael Jackson’s death. Conrad Murray extends the invitation through his lawyers from jail


“I’ve been told that she has a desire to speak with me,”Murray says ”It would put her at peace,” he says “She appeared to be extremely sad,” Murray says of news clips of Katherine Jackson

Los Angeles (CNN) – Conrad Murray, the doctor convicted in Michael Jackson’s death, is inviting the late pop star’s mother to visit him in jail to “answer any questions she might have.” Murray extended the invitation Tuesday night in a statement released to CNN through his lawyers, Valerie Wass and Michael Flanagan..

“I’ve been told that she has a desire to speak with me before she departs this life,” Murray said. “Seeing that she is up in age and in questionable health, and the fact that she is the mother of a very dear departed friend, it would give me great pleasure to sit with her one on one and answer any questions she might have.”

Murray was sentenced to four years in prison last November after a jury convicted him of involuntary manslaughter in Jackson’s June 25, 2009, death. Murray, who is expected to serve at least two years in a Los Angeles County jail, said he would put Katherine Jackson’s name on his visitor’s list.

“It would put her at peace,” he said. “I would do that truly out of concern for her and altruistic love and concern for others. I want to see her. I do not want Mrs. Jackson to suffer.
She remains as dear to me as my own mother, unbeknownst to her.”


News coverage of the ongoing feud among members of the Jackson family apparently prompted Murray’s offer. Jackson family drama an unwanted reality show

“Although I am not permitted to see the news in jail, there are times when intermittent snippets are seen before a channel change occurs,” Murray said. “I recently saw Katherine Jackson in one of those snippets. She appeared to be extremely sad. I also heard she is having a difficult time.”

A representative for Katherine Jackson said he would present the offer to her, but he doubted she would accept. Katherine Jackson is dealing with a major division in her family that grew larger when four of her children recently took her to Arizona for 10 days without letting Michael Jackson’s three children speak to her.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Violet on July 27, 2012, 09:04:00 AM
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hee hee.. a son gotta see his mom from time to time, don't they?  :icon_geek: :icon_lol: :icon_lol:

I thought the same thing when I first saw this article.  :LolLolLolLol: :thjajaja121:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: YoungMack on July 27, 2012, 09:17:03 AM
Wow mjonmymind.......... I remember that letter but wasnt as deep hoax wise before.
When I see that now I look at it as if CM is MJ not in a physical sense but as he is speaking for MJ and its CRAZY!! I read it as Dear FANS and FRIENDS and just replace my practice or medicine with my art it goes perfect with MJ and the fact he says the absense is only temporairily is a big fat ass BAM in my humble opinion of course!!! Thanks for posting that again mjonmymind and to my boy Michael Jackson I got your back man!!!! Thanks for this hoax and I hope you are safe brotha!!!!!!!         YM
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: SweetyPie on July 27, 2012, 10:08:18 AM
Hey guys! I love this topic by the way and have said from day one that it's Mikes behind up under all that makeup. lol But what I would like to point out to you all are some things about Murray's face that I don't think were noticed....here are a few examples of what I've noticed.

Ok here are two pictures of the good o'l Doc ;) in the first picture I did nothing to it because I want to point out how you can see the beginning of where the forehead/prosthetic hairline cap starts for yourself, now this goes to show the true genius of the makeup artist who did this because he started the head cap mid forehead where there would be wrinkling. also around the cheek areas stretching to where the ears are and the jawline is also prosthetic...let me ask you something, haven't you wondered why that area looks so stiff and rubber like? lol I mean it's damn good work but it has that mask like appeal to it that sets it apart from actual flesh. well enough of me I'll let you see for your self and I will show the pic that I did adjust to show you what I'm talking about along with others.

Murray face: 
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/mjfannn/MuraysProstheticface-1-2.jpg)

Now the same pic with lines to point out what I mean:
Sorry the lines couldn't be more straighter.  :icon_e_sad: but I hope you can see what I'm talking about
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/mjfannn/MuraysProstheticface-1-1.jpg)

now here are some examples of how it could be done:
step 1.
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/mjfannn/before-makeup.jpg)
step 2.
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/mjfannn/application-nose.jpg)
step 3.
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/mjfannn/application-chin.jpg)
step 4.
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/mjfannn/age-prosthetic-2.jpg)

And if anybody have seen the movie "Salt" with Angelina Jolie then you'll remember this:
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/mjfannn/00219b8247170ddc260751.jpg)
here is a picture of her in the makeup chair:
 (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/mjfannn/images-2.jpg)
Just my humble opine...tell me what you think.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bec on July 27, 2012, 10:39:50 AM
Frankly, yes, that's exactly the sort of facial mask/prosthesis I have been envisioning, SweetyPie. Nice post.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Grace on July 27, 2012, 10:49:38 AM
Just for the fun of it...

I checked for face recognition tools - we were given a face, so CM should not only be recognizable by us, right?
This is giving several face recognition search engines.

3 Fascinating Search Engines That Search For Faces (http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/3-fascinating-search-engines-search-faces/)
I checked this one: Pictriev, a face search engine (http://www.pictriev.com/facedb/fs2.php)

These are the results:

CM is most likely a male and between 48 and 55 years old.
His pictures match with about 89% accuracy video stills of the first video but only with 10 to 25% accuracy those first photos of Cardiovascular Clinic.

Surprise: CM's photos fit Smokey Robinson's pictures with about 49% accuracy and with 70% accuracy photos of Chicago Bears coach Lovie Smith.


I think he's a digitally remastered character in the videos. That's why his ears don't move when he talks and that's why his forehead looks frozen. Where- and whenever needed, there was an actor.

Big make-up line at this neck.

(http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2011/09/28/165348-dr-conrad-murray.jpg) (http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2011/09/28/165348-dr-conrad-murray.jpg)


Remember SPFX masks and hands and Michael's skeleton dance / Pendulum transfer of human motion onto a screen character?

SPFX Masks On The Today Show - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H7AANT2IkM&feature=related)

Pendulum Announces Alter Ego - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn8aLUB7koQ&feature=related)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: SweetyPie on July 27, 2012, 11:14:29 AM
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Hey guys! I love this topic by the way and have said from day one that it's Mikes behind up under all that makeup. lol But what I would like to point out to you all are some things about Murray's face that I don't think were noticed....here are a few examples of what I've noticed.

Ok here are two pictures of the good o'l Doc ;) in the first picture I did nothing to it because I want to point out how you can see the beginning of where the forehead/prosthetic hairline cap starts for yourself, now this goes to show the true genius of the makeup artist who did this because he started the head cap mid forehead where there would be wrinkling. also around the cheek areas stretching to where the ears are and the jawline is also prosthetic...let me ask you something, haven't you wondered why that area looks so stiff and rubber like? lol I mean it's damn good work but it has that mask like appeal to it that sets it apart from actual flesh. well enough of me I'll let you see for your self and I will show the pic that I did adjust to show you what I'm talking about along with others.

Murray face: 
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/mjfannn/MuraysProstheticface-1-2.jpg)

Now the same pic with lines to point out what I mean:
Sorry the lines couldn't be more straighter.  :icon_e_sad: but I hope you can see what I'm talking about
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/mjfannn/MuraysProstheticface-1-1.jpg)

now here are some examples of how it could be done:
step 1.
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/mjfannn/before-makeup.jpg)
step 2.
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/mjfannn/application-nose.jpg)
step 3.
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/mjfannn/application-chin.jpg)
step 4.
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/mjfannn/age-prosthetic-2.jpg)

And if anybody have seen the movie "Salt" with Angelina Jolie then you'll remember this:
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/mjfannn/00219b8247170ddc260751.jpg)
here is a picture of her in the makeup chair:
 (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/mjfannn/images-2.jpg)
Just my humble opine...tell me what you think.
that's weird how my post was posted way at the beginning of the thread. hmmm lol
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: YoungMack on July 27, 2012, 01:40:06 PM
I posted something about the alter ego video as well Grace...... I am thinking now that MJ may be using a combo of all 3... The makeup, CG technology, and using an actual actor..... This shit is getting crazy!!!! Its about to go down and I believe all the ajackson drama is for his comeback at the Olympics... I have thought the BAM was the Olympics for a while.... think about it...thebiggest international. Event in the world and is set to be viewed by over a BILLJON people tonight at the opening ceremony and its the only even MJ has never performed at etc.......... We will see... Thanks for all your info!!!!!
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MJonmind on July 27, 2012, 02:14:17 PM
Yep, the ol' fault line.  :icon_lol: 
Running vertically on his right forehead.  Fake crying like Paris was definitely taking a risk! But 99.9% of people wouldn't have noticed.
Haha, except for us!

(http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2011/09/28/165348-dr-conrad-murray.jpg)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on July 27, 2012, 11:44:40 PM
With sincerest due respect, I don't think MJ needs a fan to 'have his back' LOL - Not being a "B" here YM. I know it's trivial and petty of me to even mention, so I'm sorry. But it just made me laugh.  :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol:


@ sweety pie - um...  just want to say that for the first time ever, I am seeing Conrads face differently. Thanks sweety pie!

Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on July 27, 2012, 11:50:21 PM
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@ sweety pie - um...  just want to say that for the first time ever, I am seeing Conrads face differently. Thanks sweety pie!


What I mean is, a few weeks ago I concured with the IDEA of Video murray being a fake and possibly MJ. Now I can ACTUALLY SEE Murrays mask outline for the first time... MJ? Still Don't know. But for me, he is 100% wearing a mask!!!

It's like those 3d magic photos and I finally "see it" LOL  :icon_lol:



This is huge... It really makes me go tsk tsk tsk, to all those hoaxers who said back in the day "If murray gets found guilty, MJ is really dead"
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MJonmind on July 28, 2012, 01:45:50 AM
I've always wondered what was wrong with his one hand here. Is it only shadows?

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/Murdocweirdhands.jpg)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: SimPattyK on July 28, 2012, 05:59:51 PM
@MJonMind:  :affraid: I almost fell off my chair when I saw your pic! Jesus one white , one black?
shadows or not! it DOES look BIZARRE!!
you're the best!!   :bowdown:


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Hey guys! I love this topic by the way and have said from day one that it's Mikes behind up under all that makeup. lol But what I would like to point out to you all are some things about Murray's face that I don't think were noticed....here are a few examples of what I've noticed.

[....]
@Sweetie PIE: welcome on the forum!!  :bearhug:
I just saw your incredible post and I was like  :affraid: Please continue to amaze us like that!  :icon_bounce:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: YoungMack on July 28, 2012, 07:17:13 PM
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With sincerest due respect, I don't think MJ needs a fan to 'have his back' LOL - Not being a "B" here YM. I know it's trivial and petty of me to even mention, so I'm sorry. But it just made me laugh.  :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol:


@ sweety pie - um...  just want to say that for the first time ever, I am seeing Conrads face differently. Thanks sweety pie!
You people ate rediculous hahajahahahh why even open your mouth?
HOW IN THE WORLD would you know what MJ wants or needs????? Hahahahahah come on now.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: YoungMack on July 28, 2012, 07:26:34 PM
You must know MJ pretty well eh Aussie???? To know that kind of info........
Thanks but no thanks at your lame attempts to be a smartass!!
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MaryK on July 28, 2012, 08:11:13 PM
Aussie and YoungMack....both of you: don´t start fighting again. I´ll say it now before you even start.

I will be honest here with you both:

What you said Aussie wasn´t nice and there was no need for it.
And YoungMack your answer/reaction isn´t very nice either. I understand your anger but I don´t like your snippy tone.

Mutual respect will be very much appreciated in the future!

If you want to discuss that further: please do so in pm. Do not spam this thread with your comments back and forth.
It already happened one time. It wasn´t necessary then and it isn´t necessary now!

Thank you.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Dontwalkaway on July 28, 2012, 08:20:21 PM
Wow SweetyPie,

I think I can see some of the mask lines on Murray too.  Especially at the top.  Amazing makeup job though.  It is so difficult to see.  This really fooled everyone.  It would be so awesome if MJ was Murray.  It would cause such a big shock wave.  :woohoo2: 

Someone's definitely "Behind the Mask"

Remember The Behind The Mask Project !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx2ZmhYHxH4

 :moonwalk_:             


Love You All
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on July 28, 2012, 08:29:15 PM
 :icon_eek: and then  :icon_rolleyes:

Omg It was said in jest which is why I added smiley faces!
It was funny to me. It really was. I actually Lol'd

No I don't know MJ and what he needs. And I'd never assume to claim such.

 :smiley-vault-misc-150:

That's cool, I'll think before I post from now on.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: bec on July 28, 2012, 08:39:19 PM
Man, Aussie, if you're not thinking before you post then we are really in for a treat when you do dust off the ol' noggin.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MJonmind on August 04, 2012, 05:09:20 AM
Bec, you have such a way with words.  :icon_lol:


This may not be much, but I came across this interview with MJ's security, I know we discussed it way back, and supposedly they were going to come out with a book.  Did anyone see more about this book?  The interview in March 2010 is very interesting to read again. (It also shows MJ matches Front to a tee IMO.)

http://mjforeverlove.wordpress.com/2010/06/18/bodyguards-qa-michael-jackson-loved-subway-had-a-facebook-and-other-random-info-2/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx-FMVILRfg

Anyway the question is put to them if they knew Murray.
Quote
Q: Hey Bill, I was wondering if you guys knew Dr. Murray? Would you mind share with us about what you recollect (if at all)?

- Yes, we know Dr. Murray, however we can’t speak on that matter at this time. But I will speak on it soon.

How can they still 'know' Dr. Murray? He surely wasn't in contact with them since June 25, 09. The question was in past tense and they switched it to present tense.  Hmm...  Maybe that's because they still DID keep in contact with 'Conrad Murray'.  :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MissG on August 07, 2012, 12:36:32 PM
On that pic of Murray what I see is a hairline towards the front head that looks like a wig.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: suspicious mind on August 07, 2012, 01:22:20 PM
interesting to me in the today show video that the guy sporting the mask mentions the difficulting with hearing. ( fist in ear?) . so it could also be possible that michael's from this is it could also be wearing mask ?
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MissG on August 07, 2012, 01:43:17 PM
At times I thought that MJ was wearing a mask during the Dangerous and History era, but I really think that the looks it is the after math of his operations, mainly around his eyes.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: suspicious mind on August 07, 2012, 02:01:48 PM
now off everyone goes to examine all those mj photos for mask lines!! :LolLolLolLol: :thjajaja121:

edit: no way there has been that level of sophistication with the mask all along. :icon_e_confused:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: eternalflame on August 09, 2012, 02:44:35 PM
Guys you can call me a :icon_albino: and a :icon_geek: if you want, but after reading, watching and comparing here in this thread I still can´t see ANY similarities between CM and MJ.  It´s the eyes, they are completely different, I can´t see any similarity, either I´m a jackass or CM just is NOT MJ. But maybe there are two CM´s?
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MissG on August 09, 2012, 02:51:15 PM
I think that our Connie is a real man BUT there is something fishy with the picture we saw of his uncle, which I believe is Connie himself photoshopped. There must be something that Murraysito did in the past, non related to the propofol accident, that we are not aware of, imo.

Conrad´s messages in video are usually kinda Michaelish, or, are we seeing things in a context that the rest of the world do not?

Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: whatyourheartsays on August 09, 2012, 03:08:04 PM
I don't think CM is MJ in disguise. I think the eyes do not match (the pictures are not the same angle and the same distance, so anyone could fit in such conditions)

now my idea is that MJ has been EVERYBODY ONCE ! I believe he was Dave Dave on LK show, i believe he was CM on the self made video he did, I even believe he could have been Janet with the man suit, I believe he was blond woman at the memorial.

The thing is : we can never make the point to compare, because he never did it twice. So of cours Dave dave look nothing like the one on LK, of course CM looks different, but i think it's useless to try compare pictures from Dave Dave between each other, and same goes for CM. CM is CM he does exist but i'm SURE CM was MJ at least once.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: Dontwalkaway on August 09, 2012, 05:26:27 PM
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I don't think CM is MJ in disguise. I think the eyes do not match (the pictures are not the same angle and the same distance, so anyone could fit in such conditions)

now my idea is that MJ has been EVERYBODY ONCE ! I believe he was Dave Dave on LK show, i believe he was CM on the self made video he did, I even believe he could have been Janet with the man suit, I believe he was blond woman at the memorial.

The thing is : we can never make the point to compare, because he never did it twice. So of cours Dave dave look nothing like the one on LK, of course CM looks different, but i think it's useless to try compare pictures from Dave Dave between each other, and same goes for CM. CM is CM he does exist but i'm SURE CM was MJ at least once.

I've thought there was something like this going on also.  Maybe several actors/actresses play several different people.  They are disguised as the "real" person.  For example there is a real DaveDave, a real CM (Robert Earl Carter), a real blond landy but different people are disguised as them at different times.  This is why we can't figure anything out.  Pure Genius !!!!!   Maybe no one plays the same person twice.  Maybe ?   Great Job !!  We're still trying to figure it out after over 3 years.       

Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: MJonmind on August 09, 2012, 08:00:14 PM
Yes I think that's a good explanation, Whatyourheartsays.
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: michaelslady on April 29, 2014, 09:50:10 PM
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/mjfannn/MuraysProstheticface-1-2.jpg

Did anyone notice how his hands look in that pic? :WTF:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on April 30, 2014, 10:41:12 AM
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http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/mjfannn/MuraysProstheticface-1-2.jpg

Did anyone notice how his hands look in that pic? :WTF:

Conrad's hands have nothing to do with Michael's hands:

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/screenldl.png)
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: suspicious mind on April 30, 2014, 11:28:46 AM
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http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/mjfannn/MuraysProstheticface-1-2.jpg

Did anyone notice how his hands look in that pic? :WTF:

can you be more specific? :icon_e_biggrin:
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: michaelslady on April 30, 2014, 11:50:08 AM
If you look at Conrads hands closely in the pic of him wiping his eyes, his hands are very blotchy. Especially the fingers on the right hand. very discolored like MJs hands were during Black or White video. you can't miss it. my eyes are very good
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: suspicious mind on April 30, 2014, 03:25:22 PM
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If you look at Conrads hands closely in the pic of him wiping his eyes, his hands are very blotchy. Especially the fingers on the right hand. very discolored like MJs hands were during Black or White video. you can't miss it. my eyes are very good
[/quote got a pic to look at?
Title: Re: What IF Conrad Murray is MJ
Post by: a18wheelslady on May 01, 2014, 06:06:44 PM
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Maybe actors play more than one part.  For example, Maybe Michael played Murray for a while, Maybe Travis Payne or someone els also played Murray for a few scenes.  Maybe Murray did some part of it himself ???
This way no one can figure anything out and it would be so hysterical.  I don't know if it's true.  It's just an ideas that crossed my mind a few times.

I agree many other than Michael could have played Murray that could count for the difference his height. I don't think that Murray is a real person. how in the heck would anyone be able to do this and still be in jail??? but then again we are unsure if he actually was there or sitting on the beach.
I just can't wait till the truth comes out  :th_bravo:
Michael i hope your having a great life with your children  you deserve it.

 :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
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