Perhaps he will be standing right in front of us---in the FLESH…………If (when) MJ comes back - will we believe its him ? (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=7104.msg356413#msg356413)
{Michael, wearing a clown suit--or maybe a Pink Panther disguise--removes his garb}
Fans: {in astonishment and disbelief} Michael, is that really you? NO! It can't be!
Michael: Yes, it's really me! {turns around slowly for all to see} Did you really think I ever left?
Fans: {looking hard with scrutinizing, hoaxy eyes suspicious// spinning like pinwheels} Nah…it's not him. It's just some dude in an MJ disguise underneath that clown/Pink Panther suit.
{fans turn and walk away, fraught with disappointment}
Michael: {standing alone…shakes his head…and breaks out into a rendition of 99 Bottles Of Beer On The Wall} 99 bottles of Propofol… 99 bottles of Propofol… take 1 down, pass it around--oops! where did it go?….. 98 bottles of Propofol………
Light Man spinning all the whileExhibit B could have been Murray walking out of the hospital.
Exhibit B gonna rock that trial
Finally, did anybody notice what TMZ said about Murray in solitary confinement? “We’re told Murray will be assigned a single cell for his own protection … Officials tell us Murray will not be allowed to mingle with the general inmate population …” {http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/07/dr-conrad-murray-keep-away-prisoner/}. Maybe NPG will get a photo of him walking on the beach again, while he is supposed to be in jail! moonwalk_/Katherine said the children had been walking on the beach.
Murray cooperated with the mystery person. And what if I confess that I am Con-rad Murder-y, and I want to turn myself in—would the court accept that, or dismiss it as hearsay? :?:
Well, perhaps I have incriminated myself like Dr. Murray BECAUSE I AM DR. MURRAY!?!?!TIAI September 27 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=20587.msg365475#msg365475)
There are most certainly constant parallels being drawn between MJ and Murray. Murray is supposed to represent MJ in this modern scenario. He is a professional black man accused of a horrible crime, there are a small group of people supporting him fiercely, insisting he could never do what he is accused of, they contend that the picture the media paints/ed of him is false and completely off the mark (he is a holistic doctor, not a Dr. Feel Good), and many other little comparisons/parallels to MJ and events that occurred during the 2005 trial/2003 accusations. So Murray, I firmly believe, is supposed to represent MJ.that is exactly the way I feel about C. Murray! thank you Bec for putting the words together! Hopefully in the end of this journey general public and everybody will have another view on media and finally will have respect for MJ.. :icon_e_smile:
I've always found it odd that we never saw any pics of MJ and Murray together.keeps me open minded for surprises and keep me WATCHin' :icon_e_geek:
Perhaps he will be standing right in front of us---in the FLESH…………
{Michael, wearing a clown suit--or maybe a Pink Panther disguise--removes his garb}
Fans: {in astonishment and disbelief} Michael, is that really you? NO! It can't be!
Michael: Yes, it's really me! {turns around slowly for all to see} Did you really think I ever left?
Fans: {looking hard with scrutinizing, hoaxy eyes suspicious// spinning like pinwheels} Nah…it's not him. It's just some dude in an MJ disguise underneath that clown/Pink Panther suit.
{fans turn and walk away, fraught with disappointment}
Michael: {standing alone…shakes his head…and breaks out into a rendition of 99 Bottles Of Beer On The Wall} 99 bottles of Propofol… 99 bottles of Propofol… take 1 down, pass it around--oops! where did it go?….. 98 bottles of Propofol………
Yes...that celulite does look real....I have seen real celulite before :-\
wow seems i remember wwwwaaaaayyyyy back that souza and myself wondered about murray and what it was about him and thinking along the lines of how he looked like a jackson. you guys thougt we were nuts.
@bec
Photoshop can do miracles. It can make you slim, fat, tall, white, yellow even green! You can get a smaller nose, bigger lips, it can change your haircolour too. So noone should underestimate Photoshop! ! ! It's a miraculous program.
diggyon:Quote@bec
Photoshop can do miracles. It can make you slim, fat, tall, white, yellow even green! You can get a smaller nose, bigger lips, it can change your haircolour too. So noone should underestimate Photoshop! ! ! It's a miraculous program.
Well yeah but again, that would indicate an intent of what purpose? What's the purpose of photoshopping Murray's appearance if not to insinuate that this man is not real/is someone else in disguise?
Again, there IS a purposeful intent (in my opinion) going on here to suggest that Murray IS MJ in disguise, so as I've long believed, he either IS, OR, someone is taking great pains to make us believe that. But why?
Hopefully everyone remembers my opinion on this so I wont touch it. Can't wait till the mask comes off. :icon_e_smile:hey there ! haven't seen you round since the trial. those were the days huh all the fast paced posting while trying to keep up with all that was goin on then. yes why don't you refresh us. :multiplespotting:
Yes...that celulite does look real....I have seen real celulite before :-\
those were the days huh all the fast paced posting while trying to keep up with all that was goin on then.
I've always and will always have a small belief that Conrad is Michael in disguise. It's always been in the back of my mind :suspect:Exactly me! And it's based on other things also--like his ability to perform the Mayor in Ghost, and DD on Larry King Live, and more. It's funny to me that in the official movie world he was given such pathetic roles like his cameo appearances in Men in Black 2, and Miss Cast Away and the Island Girls. As if he was so incapable, weak, and a has-been. Even in the Murray documentary, Murray says how naive and like a child MJ was. If MJ is Murray, I doubt there is any actor who could act on this caliber. Like Thriller, Michael would have raised the bar so high again--never been done before. But that's a big IF... :icon_bounce:
I've always and will always have a small belief that Conrad is Michael in disguise. It's always been in the back of my mind :suspect:Exactly me! And it's based on other things also--like his ability to perform the Mayor in Ghost, and DD on Larry King Live, and more. It's funny to me that in the official movie world he was given such pathetic roles like his cameo appearances in Men in Black 2, and Miss Cast Away and the Island Girls. As if he was so incapable, weak, and a has-been. Even in the Murray documentary, Murray says how naive and like a child MJ was. If MJ is Murray, I doubt there is any actor who could act on this caliber. Like Thriller, Michael would have raised the bar so high again--never been done before. But that's a big IF... :icon_bounce:
I've always found it odd that we never saw any pics of MJ and Murray together.Indeed no pic of them together - but we have testimonies of them together, like the testimony of the cooker, what was her name, Kai Chase? Except the case she's in the hoax.
There's always a possibility to the 2 Murrays theory. That there is a 'real' Murray, whether his name is actually Conrad Murray or not who knows, and an MJ Murray. There seems to be a lot of dualities with the hoax so it is possible that for the most part, we've seen the actual Murray but the odd time, it's been MJ as Murray.
There's always a possibility to the 2 Murrays theory. That there is a 'real' Murray, whether his name is actually Conrad Murray or not who knows, and an MJ Murray. There seems to be a lot of dualities with the hoax so it is possible that for the most part, we've seen the actual Murray but the odd time, it's been MJ as Murray.
now this, i agree with as a possibility. but why? if CM is playing his role for MJ in this hoax, why the need for two?
There's always a possibility to the 2 Murrays theory. That there is a 'real' Murray, whether his name is actually Conrad Murray or not who knows, and an MJ Murray. There seems to be a lot of dualities with the hoax so it is possible that for the most part, we've seen the actual Murray but the odd time, it's been MJ as Murray.
now this, i agree with as a possibility. but why? if CM is playing his role for MJ in this hoax, why the need for two?
Why not? The 2 Murrays is pure speculation anyways. But there does seem to be a slimmer Murray with a darker skin tone and a puffier Murray whose skin seems a bit lighter. Or maybe it was just different lighting and he lost or gained weight.
I certainly envision MJ as having a lot of character 'credits' at the end of the movie...
And the third Murray.... the older Uncle Murray
(http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article6786285.ece/ALTERNATES/w460/Conrad+Murray+and+uncle)
And the third Murray.... the older Uncle Murray
(http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article6786285.ece/ALTERNATES/w460/Conrad+Murray+and+uncle)
maybe even grandpa murray, lol
Well they must have had a 'belly-laugh' when they were doing the photo-shop for his 'uncle'! :LolLolLolLol:
Loll :))) Nicole Alvarez is HILARIOUS! Q: "What were you doing in June 2009" ---> Nicole: "I was an actress... I was refining my INSTRUMENT" ---> LMFAO :))))))))) LMAo :)) so busy the little doc: "Four women, including one who testified Monday, were among the distractions preoccupying Murray during Michael Jackson's final hours of life, prosecutors allege." Funny how Nicole Alvarez said she is an actress! lmao :))) - Michael Jackson Death Evidence: Fingerprints? | Video - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/michael-jackson-death-evidence-fingerprints-14668825)
LMFAO :)) Murray's TRIAL was a freakin' PARODY!! :)))) Look at these guys they were laughing their as off after the images with one of Murray's ex-girlfriends! Jesus how many girlfriends did he have? hummm... truly a sex-symbol our killer-doctor! a true thriller-boy! ha! :))) Conrad Murray Trial - Strange Girlfriend - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQgte21_cxw)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQgte21_cxw[/youtube]
And never knew that thing was this INSTRUMENT" :LolLolLolLol:
How popular is the name Conrad?I go with fictional. Have you come across this before?
I find when it concerns Michael, there is a lot of familar names through out his life,
Alvarez - also someone by that name witnessed or something his marriage to Lisa Marie Presley, well that name was there anyways not sure if it was middle, first or last name
- Murrays Girlfriends
-Alberto the body guard.
Conrad - One of Elizabeth Taylors ex husbands "Conrad Hilton, Jr"
Paul Murray photographer to the stars, he spoken to Michael Jackson many times.
Also the abundance of people named Michael! Ok they are real people but the amount of them surrounding MJ was rather shocking, I haven't seen so many people named Michael in one place in the 28 years of my life that I remember. Maybe it was deliberate,I don't know.
But it's possible that Conrad Murray name was created from those two people if indeed he is just a fictional Character in this.
How popular is the name Conrad?I go with fictional. Have you come across this before?
I find when it concerns Michael, there is a lot of familar names through out his life,
Alvarez - also someone by that name witnessed or something his marriage to Lisa Marie Presley, well that name was there anyways not sure if it was middle, first or last name
- Murrays Girlfriends
-Alberto the body guard.
Conrad - One of Elizabeth Taylors ex husbands "Conrad Hilton, Jr"
Paul Murray photographer to the stars, he spoken to Michael Jackson many times.
Also the abundance of people named Michael! Ok they are real people but the amount of them surrounding MJ was rather shocking, I haven't seen so many people named Michael in one place in the 28 years of my life that I remember. Maybe it was deliberate,I don't know.
But it's possible that Conrad Murray name was created from those two people if indeed he is just a fictional Character in this.
"The Court of Last Resort" The Conrad Murray Case (TV episode 1957) - IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0549697/)
How popular is the name Conrad?I go with fictional. Have you come across this before?
I find when it concerns Michael, there is a lot of familar names through out his life,
Alvarez - also someone by that name witnessed or something his marriage to Lisa Marie Presley, well that name was there anyways not sure if it was middle, first or last name
- Murrays Girlfriends
-Alberto the body guard.
Conrad - One of Elizabeth Taylors ex husbands "Conrad Hilton, Jr"
Paul Murray photographer to the stars, he spoken to Michael Jackson many times.
Also the abundance of people named Michael! Ok they are real people but the amount of them surrounding MJ was rather shocking, I haven't seen so many people named Michael in one place in the 28 years of my life that I remember. Maybe it was deliberate,I don't know.
But it's possible that Conrad Murray name was created from those two people if indeed he is just a fictional Character in this.
"The Court of Last Resort" The Conrad Murray Case (TV episode 1957) - IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0549697/)
How popular is the name Conrad?
I find when it concerns Michael, there is a lot of familar names through out his life,
Alvarez - also someone by that name witnessed or something his marriage to Lisa Marie Presley, well that name was there anyways not sure if it was middle, first or last name
- Murrays Girlfriends
-Alberto the body guard.
Conrad - One of Elizabeth Taylors ex husbands "Conrad Hilton, Jr"
Paul Murray photographer to the stars, he spoken to Michael Jackson many times.
Also the abundance of people named Michael! Ok they are real people but the amount of them surrounding MJ was rather shocking, I haven't seen so many people named Michael in one place in the 28 years of my life that I remember. Maybe it was deliberate,I don't know.
But it's possible that Conrad Murray name was created from those two people if indeed he is just a fictional Character in this.
[...]Oh, I just read your excellent post. I didn't know about MJ's fleet of 75 cars! Thanks!(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/elvis200ca.jpg)
Front said he was in a "pink" panther disguise!
Isn't it a perfectly normal expression to say someone is 'acting' for someone else? :icon_e_confused: I know it is used a lot for solicitors 'acting' on someone's behalf. It doesn't literally mean ACTING as in the profession.Yes, in relation to a solicitor, that would be a quite normal verb to use.
Can I also ask SimPattyK - do you mean that Prince blew that bubblegum bubble at the memorial solely to indicate to people watching that there is a connection to Elvis?You see, it’s all about semantics, expressions, meanings, symbolism, linguistic subtleties...
And the third Murray.... the older Uncle Murray
(http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article6786285.ece/ALTERNATES/w460/Conrad+Murray+and+uncle)
maybe even grandpa murray, lol
And the third Murray.... the older Uncle Murray
(http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article6786285.ece/ALTERNATES/w460/Conrad+Murray+and+uncle)
maybe even grandpa murray, lol
oh absolutley one and the same. i was more 'amused' as i hadnt come across this 'relative' hilarious... "attach white hair, and wah-la! you have a murray relative"
as i said, it made me laugh out loud!
I know he is identified as Murray’s uncle, but I swear i believe those are one and the same with a little prosthetics added, like Tyler Perry when he plays Madea’s brother.
Gina on another thread just reminded me of this:
When Murray was riding in the bus talking with the journalist from the Daily Beast in the Murray Documentary, he said, "Talk to me, I'm The Source!"
I can't find it, but I'm sure in one of his updates/posts he refers to himself at the end as "The Source". Maybe it was "The Sign".
I know, it's just a little coincidence. :icon_e_biggrin:
If someone knows where it is, that would be helpful.
TIai update #6.5: Michael & Elvis, DOUBle-scam from TS??
Quote from: TS on December 01, 2010, 01:30:15 AM
8. God Can Protect
I just happen to know something about Elvis/Jesse and his safety, that even Linda does not know. And what I have done and am doing is for his best interest and greatest safety—both in the present and future. If any are able to figure out The Source of what I’ve been presenting for more than a year now, they will know for certain that what I’m saying here is 100% true.
Elsewhere we were discussing Latoya seeming real crying at Forest Lawn, which reminds me of Paris and Katherine talking about how MJ taught Paris how to cry on demand. So when I was watching this part of the CM docu, the scene where Murray suddenly erupts into tears seems like extremely good acting.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cH59ZzNETw[/youtube]
And the third Murray.... the older Uncle Murray
(http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article6786285.ece/ALTERNATES/w460/Conrad+Murray+and+uncle)
maybe even grandpa murray, lol
nah. they may look very much alike, but i can see the differences of their facial features. ears are different, neck is totally different..skin texture looks different. the skin on the old man seems to be less greasy than dr. conrad murray. and the nose shapes are slightly different. they have strong family resemblances though. the hairline is even a little different.
I know he is identified as Murray’s uncle, but I swear i believe those are one and the same with a little prosthetics added, like Tyler Perry when he plays Madea’s brother.
TMZ said he filmed this the same day he recordered the original message....[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLW2E2kOn6w&feature=g-all-u[/youtube]
[....]
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/untitlzzz.jpg)
[....]I posted this very long tidbits of Michael’s life recently, and this was a tiny part of it.Quote(MJ) Liked to make prank calls to various friends and acquaintances. Russell Crowe recalled such prank calls he received from Michael. Many times he made prank calls (or answering his phone) using foreign accents and disguising his voice.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=314;area=showposts;start=50 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=314;area=showposts;start=50)
Compare the sound of Murray's voice with Michael's here. Have them going at the same time. It seems similar to me.
Living With Michael Jackson The Martin Bashir Interview (part5) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjUBWKXeomk)
Here's another comparison pic of them speaking, and I've noticed also that both of them have a slight drooping bottom lip on the right side, showing when they smile or talk.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/murraywqw.jpg)
do u remember the video of "ghost"? if no 1 had told me he was mj in disguise,i would never have recognized him! if i had even focused my my attention on his eyes,i think i would never understood mj,behind that old man! ....................
*LUNA*
This seems like acting to me. If this video was made for a documentary then there would have been a host, an interviewer who is interviewing Murray. But here he seems to be talking to no one And even standing up and walking away. This is new to me that someone walks away from the camera, from the shooting spot, unless it's a soap opera, a movie or a film where we have actors walking in different directions.
Even looking in the mirror seems very suspicious to me. This means we have a person and his copy. I guess it's not a coincidence at all that he is looking in the mirror. It's a clue somehow. It's all staged.
1. Dr. Conrad Murray, Help, I'm Dying in Jail!!! (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22804.0)
2. Doc Murray - My Undies Are Clean ... and I'm Thrilled! (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22828.0)
3. Dr Murray How DARE you judge me (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22861.0)
4. CONRAD MURRAY The Inmate with the Dragon Tattoo (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22863.msg411870#msg411870)
5. TMZ Article: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DEATH 3 YEARS LATER (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22862.new#new)
6. TMZ vid: "The Ultimate DEATH by MUSIC Scenario - Chris Reid from Kid 'N Play" (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22856.msg411890#new)
From this thread: Dr Murray How DARE you judge me (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22861.msg412404;topicseen#new)TMZ said he filmed this the same day he recordered the original message....[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLW2E2kOn6w&feature=g-all-u[/youtube]
[....]
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/untitlzzz.jpg)
From this thread: Dr Murray How DARE you judge me (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22861.msg412404;topicseen#new)[....]I posted this very long tidbits of Michael’s life recently, and this was a tiny part of it.Quote(MJ) Liked to make prank calls to various friends and acquaintances. Russell Crowe recalled such prank calls he received from Michael. Many times he made prank calls (or answering his phone) using foreign accents and disguising his voice.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=314;area=showposts;start=50 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=314;area=showposts;start=50)
Compare the sound of Murray's voice with Michael's here. Have them going at the same time. It seems similar to me.
Living With Michael Jackson The Martin Bashir Interview (part5) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjUBWKXeomk)
Here's another comparison pic of them speaking, and I've noticed also that both of them have a slight drooping bottom lip on the right side, showing when they smile or talk.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/murraywqw.jpg)
@MJonMind: I'm so glad you posted this picture comparison! It is mostly the way they move their lips, jaws, mouth and also their similar head movements that always caught my eyes! Their eyes are very similar too!! And then of course, using the same words... transmitting the same message, etc...
I've always wondered why does Murray pronounce DA TROOT ... so bizarre, don't you think? I mean it's not like a native speaker would pronounce "the truth". I remember that back in 2009, when that video with Murray appeared, pleading for DA TROOT to come out, many believers were discussing his accent and pronunciation and also the possibility of Murray not being American...
For almost a year now... the idea of Murray possibly being MJ in disguise never left me!
This "never-meant-to be-seen"-video that TMZ posted on the 3rd "Death" anniversary of Michael, comes to reassure my belief in the possibility that Murray = MJ.
Especially with TMZ mentioning (article: Dr Murray How DARE you judge me (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22861.0) ) something apparently unimportant about LIEs and Murray's TEETH:
TMZ:"Murray LIEs THROUGH his TEETH about his relationship with the singer"
Then we have this other video where TMZ mentions this:
"TMZ: Murray ESCAPES THROUGH READing"
(the exact quote is: "TMZ: [...]Murray has only one shot at escaping: teleporting himself to other countries through pleasure of reading." - Michael Jackson's Killer Tries to ESCAPE from Jail! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cQr5puDZaEU) )
So I thought that if Murray is really MJ in disguise, maybe that's why TMZ made this reference to his teeth, for us to watch closer at his mouth, the way he talks, his teeth...which probably are FAKE! And that's why TMZ said that "Murray tells lies through his teeth about his relationship with the singer"! What relationship with the singer?? If Murray does NOT exist and the "doctor" is the singer himself!? lol So yeah Michael (Murray) lies (acts/pretends/hoax) through his fake teeth, playing the role of doctor Murray!
So if we're talking about a disguise and fake teeth, then maybe that's the reason why Murray (Michael) can't speak as easily as he does normally. So that's why he pronounces DA TROOT instead of "THe truTH". To pronounce correctly the group of letters TH, you need to put your tongue THROUGH your TEETH! Maybe Murray (Michael) can't do that because of the dental prosthesis. :icon_lol: :icon_lol:
In short, this is what I make of TMZ articles... if I read between the lines, of course lol or maybe between teeth! :icon_lol:
---> READ DA TROOT (ESCAPISM, DISGUISE, HOAX) THROUGH MURRAY'S FAKE TEETH
@SimPattyk.... I love your montages thanks for taking your time and expose them! :)Thank you!
lmao :thjajaja121:As we have been talking about teeth a lot here, I thought that this is amusing:Thank you MaryK for the picture! now I am even more confident that Jermaine reads here :icon_razz:
The Jacksons this Wednesday before the "Good Morning America" show.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/tumblrm6by.jpg)
Look at Jermaine :icon_mrgreen:
very charming picture, indeed!
[ . . . .]
TMZ:"Murray LIEs THROUGH his TEETH about his relationship with the singer"
[ . . . . ]
In short, this is what I make of TMZ articles... if I read between the lines, of course lol or maybe between teeth! :icon_lol:
---> READ DA TROOT (ESCAPISM, DISGUISE, HOAX) THROUGH MURRAY'S FAKE TEETH
I use to think it couldn't be possible CM being MJ due to the eyes, the height, and other little things but after seeing the two pictures above and seeing the latest speach by Murray it gave me pause to think, I was searching for images of both men last night and i found it not easy to find one where i would compare and morph, when i found a good angled one exact to Murray pictures MJ most always had his glasses on.(http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g405/suspectprime/eyecomparison.jpg)
because fans can tell MJ a lot, could he have worn the mask and glasses more often so it would be harder to see the likeness when it came to this point? it's just a thought only.
I saw some of Mj's younger images and I looked at the eyes, they don't look at deep as they did when the Vitiligo effecting his face and then his eyes became more and more deep. So as dr murray would his eyes stand out as they have done for the last 2 decades?(https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQLj_UYInNTFuT2Ez7f1gmpXL75j6c53b_-GwLeqtImdMzASBvc7w) (https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQkBZEEoTSV8Ubyw-Q6rEcV3v9579ogVc61S7AFgRS-h0MdCyav9g)
These are just thoughts, passing ones and wanted to see what others thought, I may not have said this properly since I have difficulties putting thoughts down on paper/to other people. So i mean no offense with this at all.
didnt MJ say that he wore glasses to disguise the eyes, as they were an open window to his soul... (it was possibly someone else who said it about MJ)
i guess my point is, if you wnt your answer about CM being MJ, then look at CM's eyes. MJs eyes could never be disgiused no matter how much make up / fat suits he were to put on. they are distinct.
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/readers/2011/05/25/mj-thriller-dave-dave_1.jpg)
dead give away on the eyes...
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-v1zM5GyqIj4/Tq5EFji2eDI/AAAAAAAACw0/9ofOHn_BCqk/s1600/MJ+1984+Say+Say+Say.jpg)
again the eyes...
(http://a.abcnews.com/images/2020/ht_mj_ghost_making_of_the_mayor_100624_ssh.jpg)
here is CM to refresh our memories...
(http://cdn2.gossipcenter.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/story_header/photos/dr-conrad-murray-mug-29.jpg)
now i am not saying it's not possible, because i too like MJfan7 in the back of my mind am waiting for CMs big reveal, peel off the face mask, etc. (i have a wild imagination) i mean wouldnt that be the icing on the cake... that the man who went to jail for the murder of MJ was MJ himself.. wouldnt that show the holes in the justice system...
but then when i look at CM's eyes, i dont see a trace of MJ....
not saying its not possible. but the eyes are for me the thing to go by... and MJ isnt there..
any other viewpoints on my post?
@mjonmind...
I really feel you are on to the right subject again. I have always thought that this Conrad Murray, just came out of no where, & ends up Michael Jackson's doctor was odd. How come there is no pictures of Conrad Murray with any of Michael's entourage of people? Not one photo of a guy that got sentenced to prison/jail for killing the king of pop, & not one leaked photo? I'm not buying it.
Where is CR serving his sentence? Where's the "jailhouse photo"?
Where's all the patients of his? he was a cardio doctor. Where's his credientials? Where did he go to school? Who were his classmates in grade school, high school, college frat boys? Where are all the people who knew "the CR"? What about family? his parents? Have we ever heard from them? C'mon he "KILLED" the king of pop.
Yikkkkeesss that Eddie Murphy as a fat woman, (in a sexy bikini) yiiiikkkkkeessss, there is no way I would've ever thought that was Eddie Murphy. That celelite looks down right authenic real.
IF, & SAY IF, CR is Michael don't you think that Michael would have to coverup, change, conceal every possible vein, scar, shape of eyes, nose, hands, veins in the hands, add scars, change ear shape, the list is endless.
If anything I feel Michael would have to add features, like scars, skin to areas, implants, cheeks, get rid of the dimple in the chin, those are all TELL TALE signs of "Michael Jackson". That's what the normal brain would be thinking. But us here looks for the "not so obvious" also.
I really feel like the perfect disguise for Michael is being black' Really who's going to think that Michael Jackson is actually disguised as a black man? The mainstream media dinosours have been always making rude comments about "his tooooo many plastic surgies", & bleaching his skin to be white, who would think about Michael actually faking his death & living his life as a black man again. I think that's BRILLIANT!
Again, I'm not saying that CR is Michael, but I can't find another explanation why CR magically came in Michael's life, not know how to do CPR, get sentenced to prison, not know where he is, & no pictures be leaked of him, can walk the beach & not have a soul around. I'm sorry it's not adding up.
If he didn't, he knows there is endless photos of him in every possible pose that would be disected to death. Which is has been on this forum. We don't miss a clue, or we try not too miss a clue.
I mean with technology, & remember Michael in Ghosts, c'mon people, he did it back then, & pulled it off. Men even have 6-pack abs added to their stomache cuz maybe they too lazy to work out to achieve that result, so hey lets just get an implant to look like 6-pack abs.
So MJonmind......I'm with you on this one. it's always been in the back of mind, but I'm pretty good at listening to the other voices in my head, they seem to argue with one another....lol
I'm glad you brought it up again. Because nothing of CR past or present adds up!
Which also leads to the question......if we say the courtroom trial was a fake, we're all the people in the courtroom identified as being "actors/actresses"? I know I have never saw a courtroom with sooo many stuffed animals..hahaha.
I know the government even has "mock" courtrooms, they admit that.
Just like Where's Waldo?
Where's Conrad Murray?
I've always and will always have a small belief that Conrad is Michael in disguise. It's always been in the back of my mind :suspect:Exactly me! And it's based on other things also--like his ability to perform the Mayor in Ghost, and DD on Larry King Live, and more. It's funny to me that in the official movie world he was given such pathetic roles like his cameo appearances in Men in Black 2, and Miss Cast Away and the Island Girls. As if he was so incapable, weak, and a has-been. Even in the Murray documentary, Murray says how naive and like a child MJ was. If MJ is Murray, I doubt there is any actor who could act on this caliber. Like Thriller, Michael would have raised the bar so high again--never been done before. But that's a big IF... :icon_bounce:
<I've always and will always have a small belief that Conrad is Michael in disguise. It's always been in the back of my mind :suspect:Exactly me! And it's based on other things also--like his ability to perform the Mayor in Ghost, and DD on Larry King Live, and more. It's funny to me that in the official movie world he was given such pathetic roles like his cameo appearances in Men in Black 2, and Miss Cast Away and the Island Girls. As if he was so incapable, weak, and a has-been. Even in the Murray documentary, Murray says how naive and like a child MJ was. If MJ is Murray, I doubt there is any actor who could act on this caliber. Like Thriller, Michael would have raised the bar so high again--never been done before. But that's a big IF... :icon_bounce:
I don't know but I think he did those roles, so people would not really know of what he is capable of. Remember, Sidney Lumet already said that he was a natural actor.
And don'r forget also that in the past, Michael said that he did not like acting, but liked beLIEving, he said in an interview, that he wanted 'real life actors' and ''real life acts'' so that people would beLIEve what they see in the movie. This interview he did, I think it was in Ebony, gave me the answer that he is doing a movie, the movie that will be the most movie ever watch in the whole history. A movie, that will have been beLIEved by the whole world (well except for us, loool), so this is what I think is pioneering the movies. He did in the music and break barriers and records, and I do think that he will do the same in movie. Remember how he said to Geraldo.with a smile that hides something, ''I love the ARTS''...
MJonmid, we have the same way of thinking, so don't feel like a fool, we are both in the same path! ;D
could murray be eddie murphy (or another actor?) in disguise? that could be the reason y we can't find any picture/skool friend/parent of him! his face could be only a mask....
*LUNA*
<I've always and will always have a small belief that Conrad is Michael in disguise. It's always been in the back of my mind :suspect:Exactly me! And it's based on other things also--like his ability to perform the Mayor in Ghost, and DD on Larry King Live, and more. It's funny to me that in the official movie world he was given such pathetic roles like his cameo appearances in Men in Black 2, and Miss Cast Away and the Island Girls. As if he was so incapable, weak, and a has-been. Even in the Murray documentary, Murray says how naive and like a child MJ was. If MJ is Murray, I doubt there is any actor who could act on this caliber. Like Thriller, Michael would have raised the bar so high again--never been done before. But that's a big IF... :icon_bounce:
I don't know but I think he did those roles, so people would not really know of what he is capable of. Remember, Sidney Lumet already said that he was a natural actor.
And don'r forget also that in the past, Michael said that he did not like acting, but liked beLIEving, he said in an interview, that he wanted 'real life actors' and ''real life acts'' so that people would beLIEve what they see in the movie. This interview he did, I think it was in Ebony, gave me the answer that he is doing a movie, the movie that will be the most movie ever watch in the whole history. A movie, that will have been beLIEved by the whole world (well except for us, loool), so this is what I think is pioneering the movies. He did in the music and break barriers and records, and I do think that he will do the same in movie. Remember how he said to Geraldo.with a smile that hides something, ''I love the ARTS''...
MJonmid, we have the same way of thinking, so don't feel like a fool, we are both in the same path! ;D
Foun the interview I was speaking, here it is:
Ebony Magazin December 1984:
EBONY: Both Tatum and Brooke are fine actresses. You did all right in The Wiz. What’s in the future for you now in films?
MICHAEL: I’m very excited about a lot of things that I want to do and that I’m going to do in films and things. I really can’t wait….Since The Wiz, incredible offers have come to me, things that are still in the making.
EBONY: You once said that you will be careful about choosing your next role so that you won’t be typecast anymore. You said that since The Wiz, some people
still call you Scarecrow because of that character role you played.
MICHAEL: Whatever role you play, people link it with your personality. But it’s acting. You’re portraying another person….I wish it wasn’t called acting because I don’t really like actors. I mean, the word acting.
EBONY: Please elaborate.
MICHAEL: I don’t think acting should be acting. Acting, if you’re acting, you’re imitating realism. You should create realism. It should be called believing. You see, I
always was against it when I thought about acting. I don’t want to see an actor. I want to see a believer. I don’t want to see anybody that’s gonna imitate the truths. It’s not real then. I want to see a person that’s gonna believe the truth….That’s when you move an audience.
EBONY: What kind of questions do you wish you would be asked but nobody ever asks you?
MICHAEL: That’s a good question. Probably about children or writing, or what I just talked about….You don’t make a better world of minds and things when people
put the wrong things in their lyrics and give the wrong views on stage and everything. It’s just so important and I think this can lead so many people astray, because an artist can be built up so big in his career that this could change the whole world by what he does and thinks. They’ll listen to him before the President or any of these big politicians. You have to be careful. They could change these peoples’ way of life by what they say and do. That’s why it’s important to give off love vibes and that’s why I love what I do….When Marvin Gaye put out the album, What’s Going On, so many Blacks as well as Whites - but mainly Blacks-were educated. ‘Wake up. What’s going on? Wake up.’ I mean the ones that don’t watch the news, don’t read the papers to
really dig in the depths of humanism. What’s going on? Wake up.
If another actor could do "the job" (role ) of Murray , then why take such efforts to disguise themselves as a man whom nobody knew before the hoax anyway? Why not just take a simple actor and give him the role?
If Murray is a disguise, then it's Michael behind him. I see no purpose in putting someone else than Michael in a Murray disguise.Plus what Michael wants to achieve through this disguise is to make the world understand what he's been through during all those absurd trials "they" framed him of!
I was playing with a program top two Murray (same pic) and the bottom 2 of Michael, one from around thriller time and one from a court hearing I think
I'm not so sure about them looking the same, VERY similar, but my eyes are never that good at this kind of thing
(http://members.iinet.net.au/~pommy_angel/eyes.jpg)
Murray's eyes are to close to one another, that is the only thing that throws me off. Other than that he could probably pull it off. It's Hollyweird after all. If Jolie can be a dude, MJ could be Murray. It's just the distance between the eyes that seems to be off.
Murray's eyes are to close to one another, that is the only thing that throws me off. Other than that he could probably pull it off. It's Hollyweird after all. If Jolie can be a dude, MJ could be Murray. It's just the distance between the eyes that seems to be off.
souza,maybe,u'r right,but,remember,that a distance between 2 eyes can seem different when make up has been used on them! i don't know whether those eyes belong 2 the same person,but,looking at them,i can say that it could be not impossible.....
*LUNA*
Sure, make up can do a lot, but it can't literally move your eyes. Don't think I didn't pull the two in Photoshop already back in '09.
Murray's eyes are to close to one another, that is the only thing that throws me off. Other than that he could probably pull it off. It's Hollyweird after all. If Jolie can be a dude, MJ could be Murray. It's just the distance between the eyes that seems to be off.
Sure, make up can do a lot, but it can't literally move your eyes. Don't think I didn't pull the two in Photoshop already back in '09.
I was playing with a program top two Murray (same pic) and the bottom 2 of Michael, one from around thriller time and one from a court hearing I thinkThanks so much for doing this! It helps the discussion a lot! The similarity is close enough for me to continue to pursue this, and not rule out the possibility.
(http://members.iinet.net.au/~pommy_angel/eyes.jpg)
I use to think it couldn't be possible CM being MJ due to the eyes, the height, and other little things but after seeing the two pictures above and seeing the latest speach by Murray it gave me pause to think, I was searching for images of both men last night and i found it not easy to find one where i would compare and morph, when i found a good angled one exact to Murray pictures MJ most always had his glasses on.(http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g405/suspectprime/eyecomparison.jpg)
because fans can tell MJ a lot, could he have worn the mask and glasses more often so it would be harder to see the likeness when it came to this point? it's just a thought only.
I saw some of Mj's younger images and I looked at the eyes, they don't look at deep as they did when the Vitiligo effecting his face and then his eyes became more and more deep. So as dr murray would his eyes stand out as they have done for the last 2 decades?(https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQLj_UYInNTFuT2Ez7f1gmpXL75j6c53b_-GwLeqtImdMzASBvc7w) (https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQkBZEEoTSV8Ubyw-Q6rEcV3v9579ogVc61S7AFgRS-h0MdCyav9g)
These are just thoughts, passing ones and wanted to see what others thought, I may not have said this properly since I have difficulties putting thoughts down on paper/to other people. So i mean no offense with this at all.
what about this? is there something there or are we reaching.
I was playing with a program top two Murray (same pic) and the bottom 2 of Michael, one from around thriller time and one from a court hearing I think
I'm not so sure about them looking the same, VERY similar, but my eyes are never that good at this kind of thing
(http://members.iinet.net.au/~pommy_angel/eyes.jpg)
was looking around on youtube and I haven't got much time at the moment to look back on this thread to see if someone has put this video since it was done October 2009 the chances are it's been shown before but still very interesting.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yESGptNNsJ0&feature=related[/youtube]
Off to chase some very naughty bunny's and bed, have a good day to those on the other side of the world!
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turn your head sideways to the right to look at LKL dave dave's eyes. and it's just something that sticks out to me..when "dave dave" said "caused all this", that sounded like mj...makes me really think it's him. even his eyebrows look like mj's eyebrows..they're really barely there...you can hardly see his eyebrows..but i can see the same shape and everything.
@Chicana - that picture is of a "supposed" younger Murray.
MJ can change height!! (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=7570.msg231347#msg231347)
I remember this discussion before and even though I can't find what I was looking for this thread that I posted the link to was interesting when it came to this subject.
I've thought for a long time that Sidney Pointier (sp?) could be Murray. They have the same build, same height, and Sidney is a great actor. But Michael seems logical too if this is a movie. The thing that trips me up about Murray is that beLIEvers researched Murray's medical license and found it to be legit. If he were a made up character how can there be a license?
Blessings
PS - Dave Dave is what first caught my attention as a non-beLIEver. I noticed the eyes right away and then the phrasing of his sentences. To this day I believe that was Michael. Dave Dave on LKL is what got me searching for the truth.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QsPeC2uDUw[/youtube]
And don'r forget also that in the past, Michael said that he did not like acting, but liked beLIEving, he said in an interview, that he wanted 'real life actors' and ''real life acts'' so that people would beLIEve what they see in the movie. This interview he did, I think it was in Ebony, gave me the answer that he is doing a movie, the movie that will be the most movie ever watch in the whole history. A movie, that will have been beLIEved by the whole world (well except for us, loool), so this is what I think is pioneering the movies. He did in the music and break barriers and records, and I do think that he will do the same in movie. Remember how he said to Geraldo.with a smile that hides something, ''I love the ARTS''...
Remember how he said to Geraldo.with a smile that hides something, ''I love the ARTS''..
so the connection has been made with the pink but what does it mean? what is the message behind the pink? pointing it out that it's a hoax? or is there something more to it?
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/030.jpg)
Michael Jackson is ALIVE - PINK Panther disguise (DR Murray) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3QsPeC2uDUw)so the connection has been made with the pink but what does it mean? what is the message behind the pink? pointing it out that it's a hoax? or is there something more to it?
I am not very good when it comes to explaining my montages. I simply think the images speak for themselves. Anyone trying to transfer them into words would fail, me included!
I can only tell you this: taking into account EVERYTHING that I saw, listened, watched, I came to the conclusion that just like in the "Black and White" video, where at the end Michael transforms into a black panther, when he started to plan the hoax he thought of disguising himself into a black man.... who would of think that it could be him?? All the ignorant people who think he's a racist because he "made himself look whiter", most of them have no idea he suffered from vitiligo and even if they know about it, they choose to ignore that and still prefer to believe that he wanted to be white!
Ok so Michael chose to "play" again with the meaning of black and white, him - white now, turning black again (through Murray disguise) --->> Murray symbolizes the black panther at the end of the "Black and White" video!! I guess you all saw the dozens of hoax-videos explaining the strong symbolism of that video, especially the Black Panther-dance at the end of it!!
In short: Michael's fight against the system, against the racism, against the "Royals", the elite, the Illuminati!!
Here's one of those videos
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wB6p63mxWE[/youtube]
Now what's up with the PINK??
What a better analogy than the PINK panther! and the detective movie 'The RETURN of the PINK panther" to suggest to his fans, his believers that he's still ALIVE and that we need to turn ourselves into 'small" detectives - Clouseau in order to understand him and his hoax! Michael included us in this hoax! He even found us a disguise too in order to play with him in his movie! We are disguised as detective Clouseau lolll waiting for his Return, the Pink panther's return!
If Murray was for real Michael's killer, why would Michael's mother and brothers wear PINK, just like the murderer of their brother and son??
Instead, if we look at it as Murray being Michael in disguise, we can see that in fact they assort their clothes in order to show their support for Michael and his pink panther disguise.
I did a lot of talking here ^^ I hope i could make some more sense about what I had in mind when doing those montages and this video above ^^
I think I'd better let you take a look at these photos to visualize it all. Photos are best "speakers" loll
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/005a.jpg)
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They are all BLACK/PINK Panthers in this , helping Michael to achieve his goal!
They fight for a common goal!
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/011.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/021wew.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/027.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/028hoh.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/029.jpg)
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(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/princejame.jpg)
@leilani81: thank you for your feedback and letting me know that I managed to pass the message clearly!
I was starting to wonder... because I received a lot of question marks and negative replies on FB too. It seems I really need to do some written explanation , too. I simply thought the pictures speak for themselves. At least to me! loll at least the way I visualize them...
@leilani81: Regarding your montage from above ^^ with several pair of eyes comparison. you asked if we can tell which ones belong to the same person. i think it's very hard, if almost impossible to distinguish or to find similarities between those eyes.
There are 2 reasons:
1. They are female eyes, with different make-up (eye contour) - which completely changes them.
2. you cannot distinguish between the eyes of people whose face you've never seen... or you never seen the expression in their eyes at various times/situations.
I think every fan has been fascinated with Michael's beautiful intense eyes.
I know we cannot be 100% sure that Murray = Michael, but there's always been something Michael-ish about Murray's eyes...or at least the way he looked sometimes towards the cameras!!
Sometimes his eyes don't seem to be Michael's, but sometimes they are almost exactly like his eyes!
I think make-up can do wonders!! they could have covered the corners of his eyes with fake skin stuck around the eyes to make them look smaller than Michael's or change their shape, make them look rounder... I think eye-contacts might have been used to at times... maybe at specific hoax-moments, they left the eyes with no amount of make-up, just for us to be able to recognize him!! and other times, they stressed the male-up more to hide the resemblance and create confusion!!
The height-differences can be faked too.
ANYTHING can be done with nowadays technology!!
@SimPattyk.... I love your montages thanks for taking your time and expose them! :)Thank you!
From this thread: Dr Murray How DARE you judge me (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22861.50)lmao :thjajaja121:As we have been talking about teeth a lot here, I thought that this is amusing:Thank you MaryK for the picture! now I am even more confident that Jermaine reads here :icon_razz:
The Jacksons this Wednesday before the "Good Morning America" show.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/tumblrm6by.jpg)
Look at Jermaine :icon_mrgreen:
very charming picture, indeed!
Tks for posting MaryK!![ . . . .]
TMZ:"Murray LIEs THROUGH his TEETH about his relationship with the singer"
[ . . . . ]
In short, this is what I make of TMZ articles... if I read between the lines, of course lol or maybe between teeth! :icon_lol:
---> READ DA TROOT (ESCAPISM, DISGUISE, HOAX) THROUGH MURRAY'S FAKE TEETH
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/jermainesm.jpg)
Well what can I say? ;D
Jermaine, I love how you smile "THROUGH your TEETH" :icon_lol:
Remaining Jacksons will take the stage at Apollo Theater for first time since Michael Jackson's death - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/remaining-jacksons-stage-apollo-theater-time-michael-jackson-death-article-1.1103676)
"“It’s not as difficult as I thought it would be,” says Marlon Jackson, who, at 55, is closest in age to Michael.
“He’s present with us onstage. We have a great time when we perform and we know he’s up there with us.”
Certainly, his image is. The show — which includes all the old hits from both the Jackson 5 and Jacksons phases of the group — features key video footage of their late brother."
I remember this discussion also. I also remember that what convinced me about Dave Dave on Larry King was the fact that I turned my back on that video and listened to Dave Dave and the voice sent shivers up my spine. "That's Michael!" I said. I even compared some words from Dave in that interview with the same words by Michael in some of his earlier interviews and again shivers went up my spine! But I can turn my back on any of the videos of Murray and I don't hear it, sorry no shivers! ;o)
Blessing!
OnTheWingsOfLove
Michael Jordan is an owner of a professional basketball team. I'm not sure he's ever had any experience with acting so I don't believe he'd be a logical choice for the part of Murray, but one never knows. I love the video of MJ and MJ - especially the outtakes where it shows MJJ showing MJ how to moonwalk. Classic.
By the way - much has been said about Michael not following basketball or even knowing who the players were. I don't buy this at all because not only did he know Michael Jordan, but he also knew and hung out with Magic Johnson and he was Kobe Bryant's mentor. I really believe Kobe became even greater because of that mentorship by Michael.
Blessings
Jordan also starred in the 1996 feature film Space Jam as himselfhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan)
Michael Jordan is an owner of a professional basketball team. I'm not sure he's ever had any experience with acting so I don't believe he'd be a logical choice for the part of Murray, but one never knows. I love the video of MJ and MJ - especially the outtakes where it shows MJJ showing MJ how to moonwalk. Classic.
By the way - much has been said about Michael not following basketball or even knowing who the players were. I don't buy this at all because not only did he know Michael Jordan, but he also knew and hung out with Magic Johnson and he was Kobe Bryant's mentor. I really believe Kobe became even greater because of that mentorship by Michael.
Blessings
Being a double, just walking around to be seen isn't really acting thoughQuoteJordan also starred in the 1996 feature film Space Jam as himselfhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan)
It's just a thought to the height situation, the seen in public etc ah well it was a thought :P
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turn your head sideways to the right to look at LKL dave dave's eyes. and it's just something that sticks out to me..when "dave dave" said "caused all this", that sounded like mj...makes me really think it's him. even his eyebrows look like mj's eyebrows..they're really barely there...you can hardly see his eyebrows..but i can see the same shape and everything.
That smaller pic of Dave Dave's eyes reminds me of the mayor's eyes in Ghosts, LOL.
Just a thought about the 'bloody' shirt found in the Carolwood house closet of key bedroom, that police did NOT take as relevant.
Photo Shows “Bloody” Shirt In Jackson’s Closet (http://www.vh1.com/celebrity/2009-08-06/photo-shows-bloody-shirt-in-jacksons-closet/)
(http://www.thefablife.com/files/2009/08/michael-jackson-bloody-shirt.jpg)
Remember the cream that Murray was desperate to take from the house, because he said Michael would not want the world to see it. :icon_lol: Then at the trial there was listed so many tubes of bleaching cream. Perhaps it was brown make-up, a clue, to us that MJ was using a dark make-up to disguise himself as Murray. I know it's a weak connection but...
Yeah but, when did he have to disguise as Murray pre-6/25/09?maybe he did a rehearsal :icon_lol: :icon_lol:
Yeah but, when did he have to disguise as Murray pre-6/25/09?
Yeah but, when did he have to disguise as Murray pre-6/25/09?
Nope - it must be a clue!Yes, deliberately left for US!! It is likely a full body suit MJ's wearing if it's him, but make-up would still be required for touch-ups. Remember how Murray in court dabbed at his eyes like a woman with full make-up, extremely gingerly when he cried? If Murray really was a criminal being tried for murder, would they bother to put make-up on his face like he was acting in a movie? Same when he cried in the docu.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QsPeC2uDUw[/youtube]
Sólo un pensamiento acerca de la "sangrienta" camisa de encontrar en el armario de casa de Carolwood de la habitación de clave, que la policía no toma como referencia. La foto muestra el "Bloody" Camisa closet Jackson Recuerde que la crema que Murray estaba desesperado por tomar de la casa, porque dijo Michael no le gustaría que el mundo lo vea. Luego en el juicio no fue incluido tantos tubos de crema decolorante. Tal vez era de color marrón maquillaje, una pista, para nosotros que MJ estaba usando un maquillaje oscuro para disfrazarse como Murray. Sé que es una conexión débil, pero ...
(http://www.thefablife.com/files/2009/08/michael-jackson-bloody-shirt.jpg)
I cannot even entertain the idea that Murray was Michael in disguise.
The Dave Dave disguise is much easier to believe for the following reasons:
Dave Dave was not a very well known person
It was a one off and did not have to be repeated day after day
We did not get close ups like in the Murray trial
People would not have wanted to stare too much at Dave Dave
Badly burned skin could look masklike anyway
Both the body and the eyes are believable as Michael in disguise, whereas Murray is not a match
Looking at photos and the trial footage I think it is pretty clear (to me) that Murray's face was not a prostetic mask. I know they can be brilliant, but we have seen Murray in various stages of undress and can see he is obviously a complete real person!
Maybe the shirt has paint on? I used to borrow my dad's old shirts as painting overalls. Maybe Blanket borrowed it - but why it is back in the wardrobe seems odd.
I still think it might be blood. Looks more like the colour of dried blood than make up or paint! Maybe he cut himself shaving.
Simpa, congrats on another excellent video, MJ=CM 2!
:th_bravo: :th_bravo:
Yikes, I found it!!!!
(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrnx5qUm2f1r2ypnoo1_500.jpg)
(http://www.thefablife.com/files/2009/08/michael-jackson-bloody-shirt.jpg)
Has this been mentioned before anywhere guys?
So is this MJ closet for his disguises?
So ya know where I'm goin' with the make-up on the shirt now!!!!
We'll "keep it in the closet" alright! :icon_lol:
@MJonmind....that's absolutely awesome that you found that MJ's pic in Uncle Willy disguise and the jacket is just hang beside the thirty white T-shirt.yes, briliant find MJonmind! :th_bravo: I like disguise closet :icon_lol:
Yeah but, when did he have to disguise as Murray pre-6/25/09?maybe,mj was recording some of the cm's speeches be4 the 6/25/2009! those videos/speeches/pictures would have been released only during the next periods.... :TongueOutSmiley:
Another thing about this jacket is that it is similar (but not the same) to one worn by Michael in a photo-shoot with Lisa Marie Presley.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_cudiB-AbcIs/TMHQ-v8yxbI/AAAAAAAABQs/ImY05Co6yY0/s400/MJ+1993+LMP+2.jpg)
Yeah but, when did he have to disguise as Murray pre-6/25/09?
To test out the disguise..? like a dress rehearsal.
I'm sure if it is MJ they disguised him before 6/25 just so they can see what it would look like before the show starts. However, if it is MJ i believe Murray was modeled after a real person (Robert Earl Carter) :icon_e_confused:
@MJonmind....that's absolutely awesome that you found that MJ's pic in Uncle Willy disguise and the jacket is just hang beside the thirty white T-shirt.humm i kinda thought the jacket looked more like the one from the pic of thome man handling him. the one from fronts hand pic.
@SimPattyk.... I love your montages thanks for taking your time and expose them! :)Thank you!
From this thread: Dr Murray How DARE you judge me (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22861.50)lmao :thjajaja121:As we have been talking about teeth a lot here, I thought that this is amusing:Thank you MaryK for the picture! now I am even more confident that Jermaine reads here :icon_razz:
The Jacksons this Wednesday before the "Good Morning America" show.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/tumblrm6by.jpg)
Look at Jermaine :icon_mrgreen:
very charming picture, indeed!
Tks for posting MaryK!![ . . . .]
TMZ:"Murray LIEs THROUGH his TEETH about his relationship with the singer"
[ . . . . ]
In short, this is what I make of TMZ articles... if I read between the lines, of course lol or maybe between teeth! :icon_lol:
---> READ DA TROOT (ESCAPISM, DISGUISE, HOAX) THROUGH MURRAY'S FAKE TEETH
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/jermainesm.jpg)
Well what can I say? ;D
Jermaine, I love how you smile "THROUGH your TEETH" :icon_lol:
Remaining Jacksons will take the stage at Apollo Theater for first time since Michael Jackson's death - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/remaining-jacksons-stage-apollo-theater-time-michael-jackson-death-article-1.1103676)
"“It’s not as difficult as I thought it would be,” says Marlon Jackson, who, at 55, is closest in age to Michael.
“He’s present with us onstage. We have a great time when we perform and we know he’s up there with us.”
Certainly, his image is. The show — which includes all the old hits from both the Jackson 5 and Jacksons phases of the group — features key video footage of their late brother."
will have some meaning the shirt of Marlon?, and shirt of Tito that caricature of man showing the teeth... :confused:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrtMFuhd1hA&feature=g-all-u[/youtube]
Wow. That jacket connection to an original hoax pic is really awesome. MJonmind, you're really on fire lately.Thanks! The hoax is never far from my mind day or night, whatever I'm doing, for 3 years now. :D :computer-losy-smiley: :woohoo2:
It's similar but not the same.@MJonmind....that's absolutely awesome that you found that MJ's pic in Uncle Willy disguise and the jacket is just hang beside the thirty white T-shirt.humm i kinda thought the jacket looked more like the one from the pic of thome man handling him. the one from fronts hand pic.
I know that Jermaine and Pearl Jr are two different people and I know that neither is acting as the other but doesn't Jermaine's smile remind you of the same smile that Pearl Jr gives in her videos? Maybe it's just me.
Blessings
BecQuoteWow. That jacket connection to an original hoax pic is really awesome. MJonmind, you're really on fire lately.Thanks! The hoax is never far from my mind day or night, whatever I'm doing, for 3 years now. :D :computer-losy-smiley: :woohoo2:It's similar but not the same.@MJonmind....that's absolutely awesome that you found that MJ's pic in Uncle Willy disguise and the jacket is just hang beside the thirty white T-shirt.humm i kinda thought the jacket looked more like the one from the pic of thome man handling him. the one from fronts hand pic.
(http://www4.pictures.fp.zimbio.com/Michael+Jackson+Michael+Jackson+Leaving+London+dtykvRgX9Jll.jpg)
[..] What IF Conrad Murray is MJ (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22702.75)
(http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/1718/murraymjhandcuffs.jpg)
[...]
Just a thought about the 'bloody' shirt found in the Carolwood house closet of key bedroom, that police did NOT take as relevant.
Photo Shows “Bloody” Shirt In Jackson’s Closet (http://www.vh1.com/celebrity/2009-08-06/photo-shows-bloody-shirt-in-jacksons-closet/)
(http://www.thefablife.com/files/2009/08/michael-jackson-bloody-shirt.jpg)
Remember the cream that Murray was desperate to take from the house, because he said Michael would not want the world to see it. :icon_lol: Then at the trial there was listed so many tubes of bleaching cream. Perhaps it was brown make-up, a clue, to us that MJ was using a dark make-up to disguise himself as Murray. I know it's a weak connection but...
I cannot even entertain the idea that Murray was Michael in disguise.
The Dave Dave disguise is much easier to believe for the following reasons:
Dave Dave was not a very well known person
It was a one off and did not have to be repeated day after day
We did not get close ups like in the Murray trial
People would not have wanted to stare too much at Dave Dave
Badly burned skin could look masklike anyway
Both the body and the eyes are believable as Michael in disguise, whereas Murray is not a match
Looking at photos and the trial footage I think it is pretty clear (to me) that Murray's face was not a prostetic mask. I know they can be brilliant, but we have seen Murray in various stages of undress and can see he is obviously a complete real person!
Maybe the shirt has paint on? I used to borrow my dad's old shirts as painting overalls. Maybe Blanket borrowed it - but why it is back in the wardrobe seems odd.
I still think it might be blood. Looks more like the colour of dried blood than make up or paint! Maybe he cut himself shaving.
Perhaps he will be standing right in front of us---in the FLESH…………
{Michael, wearing a clown suit--or maybe a Pink Panther disguise--removes his garb}
Fans: {in astonishment and disbelief} Michael, is that really you? NO! It can't be!
Michael: Yes, it's really me! {turns around slowly for all to see} Did you really think I ever left?
Fans: {looking hard with scrutinizing, hoaxy eyes suspicious// spinning like pinwheels} Nah…it's not him. It's just some dude in an MJ disguise underneath that clown/Pink Panther suit.
{fans turn and walk away, fraught with disappointment}
(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrnx5qUm2f1r2ypnoo1_500.jpg)
ROFL, this is such an obvious disguise. I wonder if he really fooled people with this. The eyes are a dead giveaway. Maybe with some (sun)glasses though, because the makeup looks great.
(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrnx5qUm2f1r2ypnoo1_500.jpg)
ROFL, this is such an obvious disguise. I wonder if he really fooled people with this. The eyes are a dead giveaway. Maybe with some (sun)glasses though, because the makeup looks great.
Yess, great makeup indeed, which is very subtle because it looks quite natural. If you wouldn't expect him to be at a certain place (which is quite obvious since he's "dead" :icon_lol:) plus if he would wear glasses and had greyish hair, I think it wouldn't cross my mind that it might be MJ. Though, I agree that from a closer look his eyes would def jeopardize his disguise :icon_cool:.
Just a little something, maybe a clue...
Zita Video - The Simpsons - S03E01 - Stark Raving Dad or Michael Jackson.mpg | video filmpjes | simpsons, fake, michael, jackson (http://video.zita.be/video-galerij/djscrim/The_Simpsons_S03E01_Stark_Raving_Dad_or_Michael_Jackson_mpg.aspx)
This is the Simpson episode where MJ actually speaks a bunch, disguised as this fat-looking white guy in the mental institute where Homer gets admitted. Okay first of all it starts that Marge accidentally makes his shirt pink which makes him stand out at work. When his boss sends him to the MI, his room-mate is this guy but it's MJ! (So cute!!) Homer asks if Elvis is in the building too, and MJ says he could be, it's a big place. :icon_lol: Then at 19:57 we see the newspaper cover of Michael Jackson Hoax! There's some commercial breaks. This connects to the episodes with Dr. Hibbert, who many say looks and acts like Dr. Murray.
Does anyone know the actual episodes with Hibbert in them? Don't know if these connect dots or not. MJ is supposedly disguised as another person, so the people of the town don't realize it's MJ, and get upset with Bart for saying MJ's coming to his house.
So pink shirt, MJ, disguise, like Dr. Murray, in a cell-like room, MJ hoax in newspaper. Kinda funny at least! :affraid:
At the end when the townspeople come out to see MJ, they are so disappointed when it's this fat guy, and MJ leaves in his car.
This scene reminds me of Front's words on Sept 21:QuotePerhaps he will be standing right in front of us---in the FLESH…………
{Michael, wearing a clown suit--or maybe a Pink Panther disguise--removes his garb}
Fans: {in astonishment and disbelief} Michael, is that really you? NO! It can't be!
Michael: Yes, it's really me! {turns around slowly for all to see} Did you really think I ever left?
Fans: {looking hard with scrutinizing, hoaxy eyes suspicious// spinning like pinwheels} Nah…it's not him. It's just some dude in an MJ disguise underneath that clown/Pink Panther suit.
{fans turn and walk away, fraught with disappointment}
Here are some interesting Dr. Hibbert quotes: They sound kinda hoaxy to me, or maybe it's just my brain. :icon_razz:
Dr. Hibbert Quotes - TV Fanatic (http://www.tvfanatic.com/quotes/characters/dr-hibbert/)
Dr. Hibbert Quotes (Page 2) - TV Fanatic (http://www.tvfanatic.com/quotes/characters/dr-hibbert/page-2.html)
There are hints that Dr. Hibbert is not above dubious medical practices either. After Marge talks him out of buying an unsuitable house, he tells her if she ever need a prescription, "no questions asked..." On another occasion, he buys one of Bart's T-Shirts with the legend "DO NOT RESUSCITATE" remarking that it could get him out of some sticky situations.
He has also been interviewed on television sporting a baseball cap and chain blatantly advertising the wares of pharmaceutical companies. The "interview" ends with him joining in a choreographed raunchy dance routine with several attractive female dancers promoting Pfizer products.
I know that Jermaine and Pearl Jr are two different people and I know that neither is acting as the other but doesn't Jermaine's smile remind you of the same smile that Pearl Jr gives in her videos? Maybe it's just me.
Blessings
OMG...what a thought. The whole Pearl Jr. thing is odd. The constant hair-do changes, the ridiculous background music, insider information and, as you point out, those over the top pearly whites. Who knows who is who anymore?
I really believe she is used by the Jackson family, and that is why we see her posing with the Jackson family at times.
Just a little something, maybe a clue...
Zita Video - The Simpsons - S03E01 - Stark Raving Dad or Michael Jackson.mpg | video filmpjes | simpsons, fake, michael, jackson (http://video.zita.be/video-galerij/djscrim/The_Simpsons_S03E01_Stark_Raving_Dad_or_Michael_Jackson_mpg.aspx)
This is the Simpson episode where MJ actually speaks a bunch, disguised as this fat-looking white guy in the mental institute where Homer gets admitted. Okay first of all it starts that Marge accidentally makes his shirt pink which makes him stand out at work. When his boss sends him to the MI, his room-mate is this guy but it's MJ! (So cute!!) Homer asks if Elvis is in the building too, and MJ says he could be, it's a big place. :icon_lol: Then at 19:57 we see the newspaper cover of Michael Jackson Hoax! There's some commercial breaks. This connects to the episodes with Dr. Hibbert, who many say looks and acts like Dr. Murray.
Does anyone know the actual episodes with Hibbert in them? Don't know if these connect dots or not. MJ is supposedly disguised as another person, so the people of the town don't realize it's MJ, and get upset with Bart for saying MJ's coming to his house.
So pink shirt, MJ, disguise, like Dr. Murray, in a cell-like room, MJ hoax in newspaper. Kinda funny at least! :affraid:
At the end when the townspeople come out to see MJ, they are so disappointed when it's this fat guy, and MJ leaves in his car.
This scene reminds me of Front's words on Sept 21:QuotePerhaps he will be standing right in front of us---in the FLESH…………
{Michael, wearing a clown suit--or maybe a Pink Panther disguise--removes his garb}
Fans: {in astonishment and disbelief} Michael, is that really you? NO! It can't be!
Michael: Yes, it's really me! {turns around slowly for all to see} Did you really think I ever left?
Fans: {looking hard with scrutinizing, hoaxy eyes suspicious// spinning like pinwheels} Nah…it's not him. It's just some dude in an MJ disguise underneath that clown/Pink Panther suit.
{fans turn and walk away, fraught with disappointment}
Here are some interesting Dr. Hibbert quotes: They sound kinda hoaxy to me, or maybe it's just my brain. :icon_razz:
Dr. Hibbert Quotes - TV Fanatic (http://www.tvfanatic.com/quotes/characters/dr-hibbert/)
Dr. Hibbert Quotes (Page 2) - TV Fanatic (http://www.tvfanatic.com/quotes/characters/dr-hibbert/page-2.html)
Just the fact that Murray has no "past" doesn´t convince me CM is MJ.
Maybe I´ve watched too many spy movies but I´m sure, if Murray is into any CIA thing or sth, they are able to remove all personal dates.
And I´m with you voice, Dave Dave on LKL is what convinced me either. When I saw his vid I just fell off my chair.
I never had such a reaction while watching CM.
what I find suspicious is the lack of any good high quality images of Dave Dave on Larry king and no good high qaulity footage of Murray in pictures, ones that you can really zoom in on. The selection of images are very limited.
I'm more certain Dave Dave on larry king is Michael than Murray being Michael, i just don't know either way with Murray, some things match and then logical creeps in and then i think "maybe not" but logic really has no part is this at all. i just want one really good image of Murray it seems impossible
*edit* adding pic back in, various changes in a persons eyes
(http://www.iinet.net.au/~pommy_angel/eyezlotsofeyes.jpg)
Leilani81, keep digging into this because I think you'll find more.
Watch this video where it is absolutely clear MJ is singing Dr. Murray resuscitation... If you continue listening she slows MJ's voice right down. Actually it sounds to me like 'Dr. Murray's hesitation'.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr80kBMva1c[/youtube]
And some older discussion on this idea from before the video above with clearer proof.
Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators • View topic - Dr. Murray's Name in Smooth Criminal Lyrics (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=172&start=0&hilit)
IMO, both Michael and Dr. Murray are the 'smooth criminal's who are getting away with their 'crime'! :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile
Luna, just out of curiosity, what is your native language?
Your English is fine! That's why I had to ask :icon_e_wink:
I tell you what, that new video of Murray is even weirder then his old video. Something is up with him in that video. I swear he's someone wearing a mask. His mouth moves weird. The upper lip has little or no movement and it's like you always see his bottom teeth jutting out.
What's the name of that movie that stars that guy from "Wayne's World"?? It's about a man who is the master of disguises - all this is all starting to remind me of that movie.
The movie could be possibly part of the clues
esprit467 -YT channel - "Michael Jackson death hoax" video series (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22375.50)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-eAQ1B9v4w&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Yes, Front and Back!
I agree ......something is definitely goin' on with Dr M in that video....especially his bottom teeth.
Also - watching it on full screen with the sound turned off is interesting too!
Also - his eyebrows or forehead barely move, IF at all! Most people when they are passionate in talking about something usually will raise their eyebrows, or their forehead will crease in the delivery (unless they've had Botox) - his face looks unnatural in its movements.
MJ) Liked to make prank calls to various friends and acquaintances. Russell Crowe recalled such prank calls he received from Michael. Many times he made prank calls (or answering his phone) using foreign accents and disguising his voice.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=314;area=showposts;start=50 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=314;area=showposts;start=50)
Oh I just meant in the video. I don't mean all the time.
ps. I don't agree that TS insisted. Slippery. I don't believe any airport story. I believe Coroner Van Video is real, etc.
BecQuoteWow. That jacket connection to an original hoax pic is really awesome. MJonmind, you're really on fire lately.Thanks! The hoax is never far from my mind day or night, whatever I'm doing, for 3 years now. :D :computer-losy-smiley: :woohoo2:It's similar but not the same.@MJonmind....that's absolutely awesome that you found that MJ's pic in Uncle Willy disguise and the jacket is just hang beside the thirty white T-shirt.humm i kinda thought the jacket looked more like the one from the pic of thome man handling him. the one from fronts hand pic.
(http://www4.pictures.fp.zimbio.com/Michael+Jackson+Michael+Jackson+Leaving+London+dtykvRgX9Jll.jpg)
Simpa, congrats on another excellent video, MJ=CM 2!
:th_bravo: :th_bravo:
Yikes, I found it!!!!
(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrnx5qUm2f1r2ypnoo1_500.jpg)
(http://www.thefablife.com/files/2009/08/michael-jackson-bloody-shirt.jpg)
Has this been mentioned before anywhere guys?
So is this MJ closet for his disguises?
So ya know where I'm goin' with the make-up on the shirt now!!!!
We'll "keep it in the closet" alright! :icon_lol:
there is no natural movement in his forehead or brow whatsoever. if this isnt serious botox wacked in there, then it certainly is face putty / prothetic / make up or mask. i am leaning towards the later.
Out on a limb here: courtroom Murray = actor, video/photo Murray = MJ
How does that sound?!
A little nuts, Mary :icon_e_wink:
I'm glad you posted that pic again. It's been a long time. New/old perspective says OF COURSE this is a staged pic. Why would MJ sleep on one side of the bed? This is what married people do, or people who are used to sleeping with another person or a pet. They have a side they sleep on even if they are alone in the bed, it's just a habit. But people who are single or not used to sleeping with another person or a pet would really have no pressure to drive this habit of sleeping off center and tend to sleep more near the middle of the bed. Not only are there two sets of pillows on the bed, as if denoting a space for another person, the bed clothes indicate a side sleeper as well. And not just a slight side preference, but it's as if the person were all cramped and nearly hanging off the side like when the person next to them is a bed hog.
Additionally, I'm not so sure now that's a toothpaste tube box, I know it's been widely accepted as such and not challenged to my knowledge in light of 834867459 other things more interesting about this pic and the situation at the time it was this was first introduced. But looking at it now that box could be anything. Maybe its a box of that skin cream that was so important. Maybe The Sun just thought it was toothpaste and decided on the caption and thus it became toothpaste. I don't know.
@diggyon, that's a good theory. Perhaps like Dave Dave, the Murray mask is based on a real person, that real person being the actor who plays Dr. Conrad Murray in the liver performance portion.
I watched the video again. Murray does move his eye brows briefly and gently at one point in the recent video. But watch, they move together as if an entire unit across his upper eye orbit area, not two eyebrows but one eyebrow ridge, do you see? 1:00-1:02 in the video Aussie posted from TMZ. "...a sounding board for Michael's person problems and emotional pains". His forehead remains without a wrinkle and afterwards his face goes right back to being exactly the same expression as before the movement.
I swear that's a mask. Well, partial mask/facial prosthesis/makeup, Hollywood big budget style.
I meant to say we're all a little nuts, Mary.
You see those little brow lines on the inside of Murray's eyebrows as seen in the still of Aussie's post where she embedded it? Post #250. Those lines are always present throughout the video exactly how they appear in the still, they never change in size or appearance or move the whole time Murray speaks. They don't even change when Murray raises his brows at 1:00 mark. They move right with the eyebrows as if all one unit.
I am with you on that. Must be a mask (or as you said partial mask/facial prosthesis/makeup). So unnatural.
What I have also noticed is that he seems to be avoiding "speaking with his eyes". Know what I mean?
Litte or no emotion, wink or movement.
Additionally, I've thought it is possible for those to be MJs eyes, if the bottom lid is built up and part of the facial prosthetic, it would diminish the size and disguise the shape of the natural eye.
[...]OF COURSE this is a staged pic. Why would MJ sleep on one side of the bed? This is what married people do, or people who are used to sleeping with another person or a pet. They have a side they sleep on even if they are alone in the bed, it's just a habit. But people who are single or not used to sleeping with another person or a pet would really have no pressure to drive this habit of sleeping off center and tend to sleep more near the middle of the bed. Not only are there two sets of pillows on the bed, as if denoting a space for another person, the bed clothes indicate a side sleeper as well. And not just a slight side preference, but it's as if the person were all cramped and nearly hanging off the side like when the person next to them is a bed hog.[...]
Here are Murray's pictures from his two videos.^^ Not only his forehead, but also his cheeks
In the first one we see the arrows pointing at a skin area that is lighter than the rest of his face.
[....]
The next picture is from the other video and again the arrows point at the same area that is still lighter than the rest of the face!
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/2eze.png)
[...]
Aussie, you mean like this ?? How sometimes his nostrils are wide and higher, and other times the nose looks different..
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/gallery/1346_16_07_12_12_57_27.jpeg)
Aussie:Quotethere is no natural movement in his forehead or brow whatsoever. if this isnt serious botox wacked in there, then it certainly is face putty / prothetic / make up or mask. i am leaning towards the later.
Yeah this is damning. I can't get over it actually. Do we have any pics of Murray furrowing his brow? I do it all the time, especially when engaged in conversation, I'll notice. Eyebrows go up n down depending on emotion of the words, brow furrows, eyes narrow or open, etc. Murray's face is frozen except for his mouth. It's not normal nor biologically natural.
(http://www.intmensorg.info/images/mjdb.jpg)
Bec quote:QuoteAdditionally, I've thought it is possible for those to be MJs eyes, if the bottom lid is built up and part of the facial prosthetic, it would diminish the size and disguise the shape of the natural eye.
Well said Bec, look at this Michael pic in disguise from Ghost video:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LkN9vlT1qzs/Tq5FA3FQrCI/AAAAAAAACxc/JQdvWDBZaxU/s1600/MJ+1996+Ghosts+41.jpg)
We all know he is Michael for sure however if we hadn't known he was Michael we would say he is not him because his eyes look different, yes or not?
Oh boy....meanwhile I really dote on this thread.
Still "nibbling at the shirt" :icon_lol:
I know that Michael wore those V-neck style shirts quite a bit.
However I think many people will possibly first think of the following 2 (famous and well-known) occasions on which he wore them:
1. Bad tour-Man in the Mirror
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Cm5zhao9A_w/TfXeVcYqhFI/AAAAAAAAACU/CB4lGlyCZqo/s1600/Bad-Tour-Man-In-The-Mirror-michael-jackson-8035894-397-600.jpg)
2. Ghosts
(http://www.innermichael.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/ghosts1.png)
Both are excellent hoax references, especially in the light of the particular discussion on this thread.
Man in the mirror - remember Murray and the Man in the Mirror scene from the infamous documentary.
Ghosts - the mayor --> disguise, mask
So yeah...maybe that´s really the purpose of the shirt in the closet: to hint at CM=MJ or at least: pay close attention to CM!
Very subtle clues though.
"I was contacted by my friend Karen Faye, Michael’s personal makeup artist (who has been with him since making him up for the ‘Thriller’ album cover), to potentially do some masks for the ‘Ghosts’ segment of his upcoming tour in England, but things fizzled when it became clear that there wasn’t enough time to do them properly. I had a feeling then that this show was possibly going to end disastrously, but I had no idea what level of disaster was waiting the beleaguered star only a month away. It is still hard to comprehend the scope of this thing, and I have not come anywhere near facing its total impact. But I do know that the ramifications are enormous, America’s version of the Princess Diana tragedy."
It also seems that with the years Murray has changed his skin tone
Murray was arrested by police in 1994, for domestic violence involving his then girlfriend.
(http://media.sawfnews.com/images/SplashNews/Conrad_Murray_spl115326_001.jpg)
video photo
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2009/08/18/murray-1.jpg)
another stage of CM metamofosis
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Lm6crJoqOvI/TtfUHTOqrmI/AAAAAAAADq4/qd1Y2F-k4_M/s1600/conrad+murray+mayor.jpg)
TMZ latter with a nice message
(http://www.twittingstars.com/uploads/2011/08/0827-conrad-murray-vid-credit.jpg)
Way back when I first started believing Michael had hoaxed is death, this picture always made me think of "Keep it in the Closet". It could be makeup as suggested ....I have also thought it looks like hair dye......I have old t-shirts and towels which I wear when I put a colour through my hair and mostly I go for dark auburn/brown colours...which leave almost the exact same stain as this when it drips all over me onto the t-shirt/towel.
As you say 2good.....it wasn't taken in for forensic testing IF it is in fact blood - why was it not raised by the Prosecution at the Dr M trial?
Way back when I first started believing Michael had hoaxed is death, this picture always made me think of "Keep it in the Closet". It could be makeup as suggested ....I have also thought it looks like hair dye......I have old t-shirts and towels which I wear when I put a colour through my hair and mostly I go for dark auburn/brown colours...which leave almost the exact same stain as this when it drips all over me onto the t-shirt/towel.
As you say 2good.....it wasn't taken in for forensic testing IF it is in fact blood - why was it not raised by the Prosecution at the Dr M trial?
Michael Jackson
12 hours ago
Video Trivia: Which supermodel makes a cameo in MJ’s video for 1992’s “In The Closet”?
I can never get Marlons speech out of my head..."He was an older gentleman, with short afro hair, buck-crooked teeth and his clothes were rumpled"Never thought of it that way before! :icon_e_biggrin: I was always thinking he meant this one, but I see now he's not 'older' nor with 'short' hair:
Way back when I first started believing Michael had hoaxed is death, this picture always made me think of "Keep it in the Closet". It could be makeup as suggested ....I have also thought it looks like hair dye......I have old t-shirts and towels which I wear when I put a colour through my hair and mostly I go for dark auburn/brown colours...which leave almost the exact same stain as this when it drips all over me onto the t-shirt/towel.
As you say 2good.....it wasn't taken in for forensic testing IF it is in fact blood - why was it not raised by the Prosecution at the Dr M trial?
Is this just a "coincidence"?? after the discussion about the V neck white t-shirt and my referring above to In the Closet about the "blood stained" white shirt ?
The current post on the MJ Facebook is this picture from "In the Closet" Michael Jackson | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/michaeljackson) :icon_cool:
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Oh I'm glad you posted that, Adi. I saw that this morning and immediately thought of your post but couldn't remember where I saw it. Today's MJ FB post was shortly after you posted that.QuoteMichael Jackson
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Video Trivia: Which supermodel makes a cameo in MJ’s video for 1992’s “In The Closet”?
@Front, nice to see you following the thread.
Mwahahahaha. We gotcha :icon_e_biggrin:
Front is following the What IF Murray is MJ thread?? Interesting.
Bec:LOL!! good idea!! :) anyway, it is good to know that Front is around!QuoteFront is following the What IF Murray is MJ thread?? Interesting.
Yes we'd better rename this thread: "What IF Murray is Front thread?" :LolLolLolLol:
Was there ever any doubt? The account was created here for a reason.absolutely bec!
Was there ever any doubt? The account was created here for a reason.absolutely bec!
Excellent comparison-montage! :th_bravo:
Welcome here , Violet! :bearhug:
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In fact, TJ claims one of his aunts -- either Janet or Rebbie -- arranged for a person to IMPERSONATE A DOCTOR to convince Katherine to blow off a concert series and instead fly with her conspiratorial children to Arizona.
hee hee.. a son gotta see his mom from time to time, don't they? :icon_geek: :icon_lol: :icon_lol:
Hey guys! I love this topic by the way and have said from day one that it's Mikes behind up under all that makeup. lol But what I would like to point out to you all are some things about Murray's face that I don't think were noticed....here are a few examples of what I've noticed.that's weird how my post was posted way at the beginning of the thread. hmmm lol
Ok here are two pictures of the good o'l Doc ;) in the first picture I did nothing to it because I want to point out how you can see the beginning of where the forehead/prosthetic hairline cap starts for yourself, now this goes to show the true genius of the makeup artist who did this because he started the head cap mid forehead where there would be wrinkling. also around the cheek areas stretching to where the ears are and the jawline is also prosthetic...let me ask you something, haven't you wondered why that area looks so stiff and rubber like? lol I mean it's damn good work but it has that mask like appeal to it that sets it apart from actual flesh. well enough of me I'll let you see for your self and I will show the pic that I did adjust to show you what I'm talking about along with others.
Murray face:
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/mjfannn/MuraysProstheticface-1-2.jpg)
Now the same pic with lines to point out what I mean:
Sorry the lines couldn't be more straighter. :icon_e_sad: but I hope you can see what I'm talking about
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/mjfannn/MuraysProstheticface-1-1.jpg)
now here are some examples of how it could be done:
step 1.
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/mjfannn/before-makeup.jpg)
step 2.
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/mjfannn/application-nose.jpg)
step 3.
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/mjfannn/application-chin.jpg)
step 4.
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/mjfannn/age-prosthetic-2.jpg)
And if anybody have seen the movie "Salt" with Angelina Jolie then you'll remember this:
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/mjfannn/00219b8247170ddc260751.jpg)
here is a picture of her in the makeup chair:
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/mjfannn/images-2.jpg)
Just my humble opine...tell me what you think.
@ sweety pie - um... just want to say that for the first time ever, I am seeing Conrads face differently. Thanks sweety pie!
Hey guys! I love this topic by the way and have said from day one that it's Mikes behind up under all that makeup. lol But what I would like to point out to you all are some things about Murray's face that I don't think were noticed....here are a few examples of what I've noticed.@Sweetie PIE: welcome on the forum!! :bearhug:
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With sincerest due respect, I don't think MJ needs a fan to 'have his back' LOL - Not being a "B" here YM. I know it's trivial and petty of me to even mention, so I'm sorry. But it just made me laugh. :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol:You people ate rediculous hahajahahahh why even open your mouth?
@ sweety pie - um... just want to say that for the first time ever, I am seeing Conrads face differently. Thanks sweety pie!
Q: Hey Bill, I was wondering if you guys knew Dr. Murray? Would you mind share with us about what you recollect (if at all)?
- Yes, we know Dr. Murray, however we can’t speak on that matter at this time. But I will speak on it soon.
I don't think CM is MJ in disguise. I think the eyes do not match (the pictures are not the same angle and the same distance, so anyone could fit in such conditions)
now my idea is that MJ has been EVERYBODY ONCE ! I believe he was Dave Dave on LK show, i believe he was CM on the self made video he did, I even believe he could have been Janet with the man suit, I believe he was blond woman at the memorial.
The thing is : we can never make the point to compare, because he never did it twice. So of cours Dave dave look nothing like the one on LK, of course CM looks different, but i think it's useless to try compare pictures from Dave Dave between each other, and same goes for CM. CM is CM he does exist but i'm SURE CM was MJ at least once.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/mjfannn/MuraysProstheticface-1-2.jpg
Did anyone notice how his hands look in that pic? :WTF:
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/mjfannn/MuraysProstheticface-1-2.jpg
Did anyone notice how his hands look in that pic? :WTF:
If you look at Conrads hands closely in the pic of him wiping his eyes, his hands are very blotchy. Especially the fingers on the right hand. very discolored like MJs hands were during Black or White video. you can't miss it. my eyes are very good
[/quote got a pic to look at?
Maybe actors play more than one part. For example, Maybe Michael played Murray for a while, Maybe Travis Payne or someone els also played Murray for a few scenes. Maybe Murray did some part of it himself ???
This way no one can figure anything out and it would be so hysterical. I don't know if it's true. It's just an ideas that crossed my mind a few times.