Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
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MJ BODYGUARD
Claims Singer Ordered
Hit on Randy Jackson (http://www.tmz.com/2012/05/08/michael-jackson-hit-randy-jackson-matt-fiddes-bodyguard/)
5/8/2012 11:28 AM PDT BY TMZ STAFF
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/05/08/0508-michael-randy-jackson-1.jpg)
Michael Jackson's former bodyguard claims the singer was a paranoid maniac ... who ordered members of his inner circle to kill his older brother Randy ... this according to The Sun.
In the interview with The Sun ... ex-bodyguard Matt Fiddes claims, "Michael was caught in a war with his brothers for years, They were desperate to sign him up to a $500 million deal for a Jackson 5 reunion tour."
Fiddes -- a martial arts expert who worked with MJ in the UK and in the US -- explained, "Things reached a head when Randy was trying to force his way past the bodyguards to speak to him in one of his rented homes. Michael ordered him to be shot."
Of course, no one shot Randy ... but Fiddes says, "Randy was so scared he got on the phone and threatened to call the Press. He told the bodyguards, 'If you shoot me the whole world will know about it.'"
Fiddes continued, "[Michael] was out of mind on drugs and luckily Randy was OK."
Fiddes has been dishing MJ dirt to The Sun for a while now ... just last week he claimed the singer despised Madonna and poked holes in a Voodoo doll of Steven Spielberg after MJ became a Nazi sympathizer.
None of Fiddes' accusations have been corroborated.
We reached out to the MJ Estate for comment -- so far, no word back.
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One question: how much is Fiddes getting paid for each and every accusation?
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One question: how much is Fiddes getting paid for each and every accusation?
Amd question number 2: WHO pays him?
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Killer!
Sure ... this is the only thing that Michael was not charged!
This has been done now!
BS! >:(
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This whole thing reads like a really cheesy soap opera.
And Randy is MJ's younger brother, TMZ, not older. Bet you did that on purpose though, right?
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Do you think that Matt Fiddes claims are in any way to do with the Death Hoax? or is he just another Sponger out to make some quick cash off crazy accusations?
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This whole thing reads like a really cheesy soap opera.
And Randy is MJ's younger brother, TMZ, not older. Bet you did that on purpose though, right?
They changed it to younger. :LolLolLolLol:
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This whole thing reads like a really cheesy soap opera.
And Randy is MJ's younger brother, TMZ, not older. Bet you did that on purpose though, right?
They changed it to younger. :LolLolLolLol:
:icon_lol: :icon_lol:
I think the 'mistake' was intentional and they knew they'd change it later.
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The stories are just too crazy and and ridiculous to be coincidence aren't they?
they keep coming aswell as if they are waiting for something to stop them lol
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The stories are just too crazy and and ridiculous to be coincidence aren't they?
they keep coming aswell as if they are waiting for something to stop them lol
The stories are crazy but there are people out there that believe every last word spoken in these tabloids.
Randy wasn't even part of the J5 so how would he have profited. Also didn't other body guards say that they never had weapons (i.e. guns) so how would this person be able to shoot Randy?
Blessings.
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These stories are in the extreme...and total madness. A ficticous soup of every tabloid exageration ever put out there. One has to wonder how much more the people can swallow before choking themselves awake on the BS. I wonder where this is all going also.
Now...another thought popped into mind from TMZ heading.
Bodyguard Singer Hit......Whitney?
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This is a test, this is only a test; do not adjust your dial....................
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It is just soooo obvious that every word from him is a lie, I am just trying to figure out what exacly if any significance this may have to us.
Is it a message, is it a sign, is it trying to wake people up to the garbage media will print?
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This is a test, this is only a test; do not adjust your dial....................
absolutely a test! someone is trying to find out how much lies people can handle..I am looking forward to another "breaking news"...
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This is a test, this is only a test; do not adjust your dial....................
absolutely a test! someone is trying to find out how much lies people can handle..I am looking forward to another "breaking news"...
You could be right there!
Also just another thought, maybe MJ is SUPPOSED to be in the news at the moment? There has been A lot of coverage of MJ including the crazy Matt Fiddes accusations, The huge new Pepsi deal struck with the estate, and ofcourse its coming towards the 3 year annerversary of the "death", and the Build up to the BAD25 Album coming out .... Possibly a dramatic build up to something to happen very soon?!! :moonwalk_:
One thing is for certain MJ is in the news again at the moment. Could MJ be up to his old tricks of building up hype and fascination about him just before an album release and maybe an appearance?
lol wishful thinking maybe, but a food for thought!
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Not sure what to think of his motive for releasing this new information....Back in 2009, he seemed concerned about Michael's personal life.!!!
What has changed in 2 years?? He probably needs some cash...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=Pvalm2x9p9E&NR=1[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BivgzlC9OrA&feature=related[/youtube]
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Voice
Randy wasn't even part of the J5 so how would he have profited. Also didn't other body guards say that they never had weapons (i.e. guns) so how would this person be able to shoot Randy?
emulik
absolutely a test! someone is trying to find out how much lies people can handle..I am looking forward to another "breaking news"...
It sure seems this is in the same order of fanning the flames, as the Hyperbolic Chamber and Elephant Man Bones. All this keeps MJ's name in the news and in the public's face, whether they want it or not. MJ said, "Good news doesn't sell!" No wonder Fiddes hasn't had his pants sued off already.
Looking at things from this perspective--is Fiddes hired to do this, or is MJ using the situation that Fiddes is abusing, for his own purposes? IDK
I guess we have to 'keep watching'.
So far, Fiddes claims to be father of Blanket, that MJ tried to kill brother Randy, that MJ is anti-semitic.
And Thorson claimed to be gay-MJ lover.
Nice package of "dirt"!
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This is a test, this is only a test; do not adjust your dial....................
absolutely a test! someone is trying to find out how much lies people can handle..I am looking forward to another "breaking news"...
You could be right there!
Also just another thought, maybe MJ is SUPPOSED to be in the news at the moment? There has been A lot of coverage of MJ including the crazy Matt Fiddes accusations, The huge new Pepsi deal struck with the estate, and ofcourse its coming towards the 3 year annerversary of the "death", and the Build up to the BAD25 Album coming out .... Possibly a dramatic build up to something to happen very soon?!! :moonwalk_:
One thing is for certain MJ is in the news again at the moment. Could MJ be up to his old tricks of building up hype and fascination about him just before an album release and maybe an appearance?
lol wishful thinking maybe, but a food for thought!
you are right, MJ is now "trending" almost everywhere.. :icon_e_smile: it can be part of the plan, we know that almost for 3 years media were "talking" about MJ both in good and bad way..I fell it is part of his plan, to keep focusing people on him, to keep watching.
But in late time, especially since the Front`s "the momment of now" it seems that MJ is almost everywhere and more often in the press/tabloids..articles are getting crazier..I am really curious what will come next. :icon_cool:
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Voice
Randy wasn't even part of the J5 so how would he have profited. Also didn't other body guards say that they never had weapons (i.e. guns) so how would this person be able to shoot Randy?
emulik
absolutely a test! someone is trying to find out how much lies people can handle..I am looking forward to another "breaking news"...
It sure seems this is in the same order of fanning the flames, as the Hyperbolic Chamber and Elephant Man Bones. All this keeps MJ's name in the news and in the public's face, whether they want it or not. MJ said, "Good news doesn't sell!" No wonder Fiddes hasn't had his pants sued off already.
Looking at things from this perspective--is Fiddes hired to do this, or is MJ using the situation that Fiddes is abusing, for his own purposes? IDK
I guess we have to 'keep watching'.
So far, Fiddes claims to be father of Blanket, that MJ tried to kill brother Randy, that MJ is anti-semitic.
And Thorson claimed to be gay-MJ lover.
Nice package of "dirt"!
yes, we can only keep watching and hoping for the best to come, hopefully this year! :icon_e_smile:
you are right, more and more craziness in the press! :icon_rolleyes:
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Michael come on, let's clean the dirt, it's time for it! Please wake-up call! :Pulling_hair:
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The stories are just too crazy and and ridiculous to be coincidence aren't they?
they keep coming aswell as if they are waiting for something to stop them lol
Well yes..."waiting for something to stop them"....this all seems odd, doesn´t it, after almost 3 years from his "passing".
This is my take on it:
We all know there are innumerous blogs and publications out there in "vindicating MJ" style and we know there are loads of loving fans out there.
So many words have been written and said, there are all kinds of supporter groups out there in defense of Michael, in remembrance, in honor of him.
Fan clubs, groups like e.g. "Justice for MJ", people sending flowers to Forest Lawn, fan festivals, tribute concerts, not to mention millions of posts that show nothing but love and admiration on various platforms like e.g. Facebook with all those pretty pics of him, all shiny and bright and beautiful, with roses and hearts and glittering stuff.
No doubt that there is so much love out there and no doubt that there is abhorrence against all the horrible things that have been done to him in the past.
But: How many of his own fans turned away from him due to the horrid allegations and how many of them have found their way back to loving him after his "death"?
How many of them stopped to care, how many of the fans and supporters have now, at this point, turned into a mass of mourning and paralyzed bereaved with an attitude of "poor soul, but oh well... what can we do now".
But is there still enough anger and will to fight after all these years?
As of late we´ve seen the commited efforts, the mass commotion that occured after these disgusting statements coming from Fiddes and Thorson. There´s awareness again, vigilance, vibrant life in the fan community. And yes...will to fight.
Maybe this is a call to arms, raising awareness and pugnacity again among those who have become paralized and disimpassioned.
We all must be aware that there are more non-believers out there than there are believers.
But we all need to be united in one love, in one voice in the end in order to pave the way for his comeback/takeover.
Many might be very angry with him or disappointed when he resurfaces.
They need to be reminded of the reason in order to understand the action, so they can understand, love and support instead of raging against him and turning away. Call to arms for the Army of Love. Especially for the non-believers.
Well...at least I hope that this is behind all the disgusting stuff.
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Remember this strange interview from Randy Jackson..!!! He doesn't seem angry at Michael infact the opposite....
I do remember posting an article a while back, regarding the possibility that Randy also has/had a drug problem...!! Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jEwQLHEQj4&feature=related[/youtube]
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The stories are just too crazy and and ridiculous to be coincidence aren't they?
they keep coming aswell as if they are waiting for something to stop them lol
Well yes..."waiting for something to stop them"....this all seems odd, doesn´t it, after almost 3 years from his "passing".
This is my take on it:
We all know there are innumerous blogs and publications out there in "vindicating MJ" style and we know there are loads of loving fans out there.
So many words have been written and said, there are all kinds of supporter groups out there in defense of Michael, in remembrance, in honor of him.
Fan clubs, groups like e.g. "Justice for MJ", people sending flowers to Forest Lawn, fan festivals, tribute concerts, not to mention millions of posts that show nothing but love and admiration on various platforms like e.g. Facebook with all those pretty pics of him, all shiny and bright and beautiful, with roses and hearts and glittering stuff.
No doubt that there is so much love out there and no doubt that there is abhorrence against all the horrible things that have been done to him in the past.
But: How many of his own fans turned away from him due to the horrid allegations and how many of them have found their way back to loving him after his "death"?
How many of them stopped to care, how many of the fans and supporters have now, at this point, turned into a mass of mourning and paralyzed bereaved with an attitude of "poor soul, but oh well... what can we do now".
But is there still enough anger and will to fight after all these years?
As of late we´ve seen the commited efforts, the mass commotion that occured after these disgusting statements coming from Fiddes and Thorson. There´s awareness again, vigilance, vibrant life in the fan community. And yes...will to fight.
Maybe this is a call to arms, raising awareness and pugnacity again among those who have become paralized and disimpassioned.
We all must be aware that there are more non-believers out there than there are believers.
But we all need to be united in one love, in one voice in the end in order to pave the way for his comeback/takeover.
Many might be very angry with him or disappointed when he resurfaces.
They need to be reminded of the reason in order to understand the action, so they can understand, love and support instead of raging against him and turning away. Call to arms for the Army of Love. Especially for the non-believers.
Well...at least I hope that this is behind all the disgusting stuff.
very well said MaryK! :th_bravo:
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Remember this strange interview from Randy Jackson..!!! He doesn't seem angry at Michael infact the opposite....
I do remember posting an article a while back, regarding the possibility that Randy also has/had a drug problem...!! Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jEwQLHEQj4&feature=related[/youtube]
I wonder where Randy is hiding lately. Seems like he disappeared from the face of the earth. No more crazy angry tweets...
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@MaryK - I do see your point.
Too many people who've been criminals are coming forward now, pointing fingers, being pathological. I'm waiting for the other shoes to drop.
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@MaryK - I do see your point.
Too many people who've been criminals are coming forward now, pointing fingers, being pathological. I'm waiting for the other shoes to drop.
So do I Tink!
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Lies , lies , lies everywhere about Michael and his behavior :over-react-smiley: I would hit this crazy man right in his mouth to swallow his words :Pulling_hair: Sorry for saying this, but enough is enough !!!
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This whole thing reads like a really cheesy soap opera.
And Randy is MJ's younger brother, TMZ, not older. Bet you did that on purpose though, right?
They changed it to younger. :LolLolLolLol:
:LolLolLolLol:
We should be given credits for corrections.
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You know what, I wouldn't stop loving MJ even if all of those are true. I must be crazy.
ps: well, I do think he was a little paranoid though. But just the right quantity to make him more interesting :icon_mrgreen:.
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"The Sun" >:( , well... it's not worth to spill my energy on that! I just hope everyone knows by now not to take any story printed by The Sun seriously at all... just SKIP IT!
Letters of Note: John Cleese vs The Sun (http://www.lettersofnote.com/2012/05/john-cleese-vs-sun.html) :icon_mrgreen:
L.O.V.E.
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Remember this strange interview from Randy Jackson..!!! He doesn't seem angry at Michael infact the opposite....
I do remember posting an article a while back, regarding the possibility that Randy also has/had a drug problem...!! Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jEwQLHEQj4&feature=related[/youtube]
I wonder where Randy is hiding lately. Seems like he disappeared from the face of the earth. No more crazy angry tweets...
I´ve been wondering about that also. Judging from his tweets in the past and his silence lately: could it be possible that he wasn´t informed about the hoax and just did not know until he was informed later on? What do you think?
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Remember this strange interview from Randy Jackson..!!! He doesn't seem angry at Michael infact the opposite....
I do remember posting an article a while back, regarding the possibility that Randy also has/had a drug problem...!! Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jEwQLHEQj4&feature=related[/youtube]
I wonder where Randy is hiding lately. Seems like he disappeared from the face of the earth. No more crazy angry tweets...
I´ve been wondering about that also. Judging from his tweets in the past and his silence lately: could it be possible that he wasn´t informed about the hoax and just did not know until he was informed later on? What do you think?
I wouldn't believe it for a second. Of course he knew.
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One question: how much is Fiddes getting paid for each and every accusation?
Amd question number 2: WHO pays him?
(http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/499/illuminatiambigramm.png)
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Remember this strange interview from Randy Jackson..!!! He doesn't seem angry at Michael infact the opposite....
I do remember posting an article a while back, regarding the possibility that Randy also has/had a drug problem...!! Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jEwQLHEQj4&feature=related[/youtube]
I wonder where Randy is hiding lately. Seems like he disappeared from the face of the earth. No more crazy angry tweets...
I´ve been wondering about that also. Judging from his tweets in the past and his silence lately: could it be possible that he wasn´t informed about the hoax and just did not know until he was informed later on? What do you think?
In my opinion, the entire family was informed about the hoax way before he did it.
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One question: how much is Fiddes getting paid for each and every accusation?
Amd question number 2: WHO pays him?
(http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/499/illuminatiambigramm.png)
Or:
(http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad325/Debby1975/mj-logo.png)
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Knowing that you are such a ruthless monster, Michael - if you're still alive - please have somebody shoot Matt Fiddes. :Pulling_hair:
You know I'm kidding, but this is getting way out of hand.
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One question: how much is Fiddes getting paid for each and every accusation?
Amd question number 2: WHO pays him?
(http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/499/illuminatiambigramm.png)
Or:
(http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad325/Debby1975/mj-logo.png)
Hmmm. Interesting thought Souza. But why would MJ pay him? He's definitely ruining Michael's reputation. Why would Michael want that?
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seems with all these accusations that "someone" is trying to make mj comes out...
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This is so absurd my feeling is that it's some kind of set up... Throw some money and trash into it and look how fast this fire catches. :ghsdf: I asked in the Front thread if this has anything to do with hoax plans. :icon_e_confused:
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One question: how much is Fiddes getting paid for each and every accusation?
Amd question number 2: WHO pays him?
(http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/499/illuminatiambigramm.png)
Or:
(http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad325/Debby1975/mj-logo.png)
Agree. I lean towards the latter. I already elaborated on that above.
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This is so absurd my feeling is that it's some kind of set up... Throw some money and trash into it and look how fast this fire catches. :ghsdf: I asked in the Front thread if this has anything to do with hoax plans. :icon_e_confused:
I wonder about that too. I'm thinking of an investigation which is a part of the hoax, probably something like a tabloid sting. Maybe Fiddes is a bait to expose the criminal bribing methods of tabloids, in this case The Sun. He's been offered quite some cash by The Sun for the "use" of his name and for "his permission" to print all these lies. The evidence from this investigation might be valuable exposure material for the hoax documentary.
L.O.V.E
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Oh come on these are great stories!
Hmmm. Interesting thought Souza. But why would MJ pay him? He's definitely ruining Michael's reputation. Why would Michael want that?
Who's reputation? Oh you mean the naive frail old emaciated weirdo drug addict? His reputation? Seriously?
Yes I think MJ is paying him.
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This bullshit could be being fed to the media at MJ's request via Matt Fiddes to see how far the media vultures will run with it.......just for them to choke on their own vomit when he comes back.
:icon_lol:
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Oh come on these are great stories!
Hmmm. Interesting thought Souza. But why would MJ pay him? He's definitely ruining Michael's reputation. Why would Michael want that?
Who's reputation? Oh you mean the naive frail old emaciated weirdo drug addict? His reputation? Seriously?
Yes I think MJ is paying him.
Exactly, there is not much reputation left to damage. No matter how many positive stuff has been said the past 3 years, people will always believe the negative, simply because it's easier to believe. So ...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtKADQnjQmc[/youtube]
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Of course MJ is paying him. Wouldn't go with the hoax other way.
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@Bec... you are right:
***Who's reputation? Oh you mean the naive frail old emaciated weirdo drug addict? His reputation? Seriously?
Yes I think MJ is paying him***
Michael I love the naive frail old emaciated weirdo drug addicts like you :icon_mrgreen:
I can't help it :moonwalk_:
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yeah, It doesn't take much, just money.
The fake bodyguard $ who loves the media, DNA - lies about if his children, lies about the drugs, Randy - lies about family, Nazi sympathiser (effects Shmuley), skin bleach lies, etc etc
I think this covered just about every lie the media ever spewed out. And are more than willing to do 3yrs later.
Front: "2 birds, 1 stone…..
or--- more accurately--- a whole mag-FUnKIN' flock of 'em"
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There was an article on the sun about that... :Pulling_hair: < my reactions says it all
BUT im so happy Mat Fibbes...i mean Fiddes...doesnt know i live in the same country as him....gonna grind his nose against concrete when i see him....i wonder how much the illuminati are paying him to say all this bullshit.....
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One question: how much is Fiddes getting paid for each and every accusation?
Amd question number 2: WHO pays him?
(http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/499/illuminatiambigramm.png)
Or:
(http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad325/Debby1975/mj-logo.png)
Really Souza? But Matt is spreading bullshit, can somebody tell me why? i'm confused :icon_e_confused:
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@shamz, it's all bullshit, from the 911 call to the autopsy report to the mans.laughter trial. As for why? Well, in my opinion, it's taking advantage of the news media band wagon: bad news sells so if you want your name in the press, you better have a juicy, salacious story to go with it, otherwise you can consider yourself irrelevant.
The juiciest, sexiest, most scandalous story wins, and MJ is a master of concocting some seriously media-tempting stuff in order to keep his name on everyone's lips.
Why does he want to stay relevant? Not sure yet, but I assume (ASSume lol) its in order to build up to... well you know... the end of this fantastic hoax-journey. The more BS they spout between now n then, the more egg on their faces at the close.
A lesson will be learned. Don't believe everything you see/hear on the "news".
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During a live interview with Fiddes? Someone should just...drain a super-soaker, in his crotch. THEN let's see how serious anyone takes him again after that!
Now that's what I call entertainment.
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One question: how much is Fiddes getting paid for each and every accusation?
Amd question number 2: WHO pays him?
TOTALLY AGREEEEEEEEEEE :Pulling_hair: >:( :( :computer-losy-smiley:
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I kind of expect Arnie Klein to muscle in on this exposure, as the rabbi did also. He's never been shy of the spot light previously.
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During a live interview with Fiddes? Someone should just...drain a super-soaker, in his crotch. THEN let's see how serious anyone takes him again after that!
Now that's what I call entertainment.
:LolLolLolLol:
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Why?
In criminal law, entrapment is conduct by a law enforcement agent inducing a person to commit an offense that the person would otherwise have been unlikely to commit.[1] In many jurisdictions, entrapment is a possible defense against criminal liability. However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime.
For example, it is not entrapment for a government agent to pretend to be someone else and to offer, either directly or through an informant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informant) or other decoy, to engage in an unlawful transaction with the person (see sting operation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sting_operation)).
So, a person would not be a victim of entrapment if the person was ready, willing and able to commit the crime charged in the indictment whenever opportunity was afforded, and that government officers or their agents did no more than offer an opportunity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment)
Replace "government agent" by "MJ" and you know what is happening in the spider's net since quite a while.
Collecting evidence.
Michael IS the spider and he will get them all.
Through an informant or other decoy.
We are witnessing.
We are collectively assembling (in public) the frames.
We are not even halfway through IMHO.
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@shamz, it's all bullshit, from the 911 call to the autopsy report to the mans.laughter trial. As for why? Well, in my opinion, it's taking advantage of the news media band wagon: bad news sells so if you want your name in the press, you better have a juicy, salacious story to go with it, otherwise you can consider yourself irrelevant.
The juiciest, sexiest, most scandalous story wins, and MJ is a master of concocting some seriously media-tempting stuff in order to keep his name on everyone's lips.
Why does he want to stay relevant? Not sure yet, but I assume (ASSume lol) its in order to build up to... well you know... the end of this fantastic hoax-journey. The more BS they spout between now n then, the more egg on their faces at the close.
A lesson will be learned. Don't believe everything you see/hear on the "news".
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00528/SNF10SPDAN_280_528038a.jpg (http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00528/SNF10SPDAN_280_528038a.jpg) < like this picture!!!! ahhh... :affraid: it makes sense, as Jermaine put it in his book, "...he had the world fooled with deliberate act of frailty, being pushed in a wheelchair...but it was all part of his clever plan!"
:th_bravo: to u Michael!!! & to the media > :images:
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@Grace quote:
Replace "government agent" by "MJ" and you know what is happening in the spider's net since quite a while.
@SweetsunsetwithMJ quote:
That's why if he's so well informed is because he must have some link with the government in one way or another and so was able to pull this hoax out without any problem.
!?!?!?!?!? :WTF:
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Why?
In criminal law, entrapment is conduct by a law enforcement agent inducing a person to commit an offense that the person would otherwise have been unlikely to commit.[1] In many jurisdictions, entrapment is a possible defense against criminal liability. However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime.
For example, it is not entrapment for a government agent to pretend to be someone else and to offer, either directly or through an informant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informant) or other decoy, to engage in an unlawful transaction with the person (see sting operation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sting_operation)).
So, a person would not be a victim of entrapment if the person was ready, willing and able to commit the crime charged in the indictment whenever opportunity was afforded, and that government officers or their agents did no more than offer an opportunity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment)
Replace "government agent" by "MJ" and you know what is happening in the spider's net since quite a while.
Collecting evidence.
Michael IS the spider and he will get them all.
Through an informant or other decoy.
We are witnessing.
We are collectively assembling (in public) the frames.
We are not even halfway through IMHO.
I agree. I don't think the FBI is involved in a sting. I am ready to be wrong about that, should evidence begin to surface that supports that theory, but to-date I just don't see it, and it's not for lack of trying (for years lol). Instead, all I see is instance after instance where MJ himself works very hard to prevent entrapment of his target(s) as he goes forward in this hoax.
Almost every clue has the potential of preventing entrapment upon the close of this grand hoax, so since TS brought it up, I have continually been reminded of how this works in MJ's favor following Bamsday when he has a bunch of miffed fans who feel like they were fooled, as well as a bunch of faux-friends miffed that they were set up to believe MJ was actually dead... not to mention the media, who will feel very foolish indeed having reported a bunch of gossipy hearsay about a hoaxed death they thought was real.
So I'm going to stick with my original hunch that the only sting taking place here is the sting on the fans, the media, and members of the general public who feel associated in some way or another, with MJ.
Ps. I do, however, feel we are past the halfway point, though it's no more then a hunch based on activity.
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Oh come on these are great stories!
Hmmm. Interesting thought Souza. But why would MJ pay him? He's definitely ruining Michael's reputation. Why would Michael want that?
Who's reputation? Oh you mean the naive frail old emaciated weirdo drug addict? His reputation? Seriously?
Yes I think MJ is paying him.
Exactly, there is not much reputation left to damage. No matter how many positive stuff has been said the past 3 years, people will always believe the negative, simply because it's easier to believe. So ...
Ok, but where's the answer of my question? Why would MJ want to keep on damaging his damaged reputation? He doesn't need any speculative news to be on the news if that's the case.
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Oh come on these are great stories!
Hmmm. Interesting thought Souza. But why would MJ pay him? He's definitely ruining Michael's reputation. Why would Michael want that?
Who's reputation? Oh you mean the naive frail old emaciated weirdo drug addict? His reputation? Seriously?
Yes I think MJ is paying him.
Exactly, there is not much reputation left to damage. No matter how many positive stuff has been said the past 3 years, people will always believe the negative, simply because it's easier to believe. So ...
Ok, but where's the answer of my question? Why would MJ want to keep on damaging his damaged reputation? He doesn't need any speculative news to be on the news if that's the case.
All we can do is look at the entirety of the information, happenings, and events since 6/25/09 (and possibly before) to determine a "why".
Bad news sells, this is a fact. So if you're going to manipulate the media, it's probably best to play them at their own game. They have proved time and time again they are NOT going to print any positive stories about MJ. Period. It aint happening. So if he wants air time, he needs to give them (and us, don't kid yourself) exactly what they (we) want.
Remember, the truth will come out, it will all come out. This sentiment has been repeated over and over throughout the course of this hoax. I presume it will all make sense upon reveal, at which point, the media will hang from the very nooses they created.
I don't know how else to explain it to you, but if you're going to get tripped up by this sort of thing now, what was your feeling in 2009 when it was "revealed" that MJ indulged in off label use of Propofol?
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Oh come on these are great stories!
Hmmm. Interesting thought Souza. But why would MJ pay him? He's definitely ruining Michael's reputation. Why would Michael want that?
Who's reputation? Oh you mean the naive frail old emaciated weirdo drug addict? His reputation? Seriously?
Yes I think MJ is paying him.
Exactly, there is not much reputation left to damage. No matter how many positive stuff has been said the past 3 years, people will always believe the negative, simply because it's easier to believe. So ...
Ok, but where's the answer of my question? Why would MJ want to keep on damaging his damaged reputation? He doesn't need any speculative news to be on the news if that's the case.
All we can do is look at the entirety of the information, happenings, and events since 6/25/09 (and possibly before) to determine a "why".
Bad news sells, this is a fact. So if you're going to manipulate the media, it's probably best to play them at their own game. They have proved time and time again they are NOT going to print any positive stories about MJ. Period. It aint happening. So if he wants air time, he needs to give them (and us, don't kid yourself) exactly what they (we) want.
Remember, the truth will come out, it will all come out. This sentiment has been repeated over and over throughout the course of this hoax. I presume it will all make sense upon reveal, at which point, the media will hang from the very nooses they created.
I don't know how else to explain it to you, but if you're going to get tripped up by this sort of thing now, what was your feeling in 2009 when it was "revealed" that MJ indulged in off label use of Propofol?
I totally get your point bec and it can be true. I'm not saying it is wrong but it just doesn't make sense to me. Yes, he showed himself like a drug addict which was part of his plan. The part that I don't get is; why would he need to keep on damaging his reputation. In my humble opinion, he doesn't need to do that, not any more. The world will be shocked enough when they learn that he didn't die of an overdose, not even died. But this whole thing can be a part of the plan again, not about being on the news but maybe about the sting operation.
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I will put it this way - maybe it's making it clearer what I mean:
For example, it is not entrapment for [MJ] [a government agent] to pretend to be [dead] [someone else] and to offer, either directly or through an informant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informant) or other decoy, to engage in an unlawful transaction with the [dead] person (see sting operation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sting_operation)).
So, a person would not be a victim of entrapment if the person was ready, willing and able to commit the crime charged in the indictment whenever opportunity was afforded, and that [MJ] [government officers or their agents] did no more than offer an opportunity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment)
Replace "government agent" by "MJ" and you know what is happening in the spider's net since quite a while.
Collecting evidence.
Michael IS the spider and he will get them all.
Through an informant or other decoy.
We are witnessing.
We are collectively assembling (in public) the frames.
We are not even halfway through IMHO.
I agree. I don't think the FBI is involved in a sting. I am ready to be wrong about that, should evidence begin to surface that supports that theory, but to-date I just don't see it, and it's not for lack of trying (for years lol). Instead, all I see is instance after instance where MJ himself works very hard to prevent entrapment of his target(s) as he goes forward in this hoax.Almost every clue has the potential of preventing entrapment upon the close of this grand hoax, so since TS brought it up, I have continually been reminded of how this works in MJ's favor following Bamsday when he has a bunch of miffed fans who feel like they were fooled, as well as a bunch of faux-friends miffed that they were set up to believe MJ was actually dead... not to mention the media, who will feel very foolish indeed having reported a bunch of gossipy hearsay about a hoaxed death they thought was real.
So I'm going to stick with my original hunch that the only sting taking place here is the sting on the fans, the media, and members of the general public who feel associated in some way or another, with MJ.
Ps. I do, however, feel we are past the halfway point, though it's no more then a hunch based on activity.
(still bec)
I think the FBI is executing a sting but only on indirect behalf of MJ - he induced the whole thingie. The agents were set in motion due to the fact that somebody DID act improperly as soon as MJ was declared dead.
"Don't let the Sun go down on me." or should it? :errrr:
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@Grace.... are you a Government Agent ?? :LolLolLolLol:
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The agents were set in motion due to the fact that somebody DID act improperly as soon as MJ was declared dead.
I agree on this. And I also suspect that MJ was being blackmailed and extorted again.
The weird thing is that the insurance hasn´t been paid out.
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I believe insurance hasn't been paid out because that would constitute FRUAD....collecting money on death that didn't occur.
I guess I still hoping it's all part of a sting operation, as I do believe this is all being done for much bigger reasons than MJ exposing things related to him, and things to do with him. I think it is much bigger. Having said that, since beginning this journey I no longer have the same view of government I used to have, so I now am thinking beyond the "justice" realm.....I used to be waiting to hear about criminal indictments, now I am not so sure, and feel there are much bigger authorities to be answered...............
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@Grace.... are you a Government Agent ?? :LolLolLolLol:
Nope, I'm already a secretary and love eating snakes. :icon_lol:
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What if the insurance is to be paid when the kids are over 18?
There are plenty of legal holes in this matter.
I believe insurance hasn't been paid out because that would constitute FRUAD....collecting money on death that didn't occur.
I guess I still hoping it's all part of a sting operation, as I do believe this is all being done for much bigger reasons than MJ exposing things related to him, and things to do with him. I think it is much bigger. Having said that, since beginning this journey I no longer have the same view of government I used to have, so I now am thinking beyond the "justice" realm.....I used to be waiting to hear about criminal indictments, now I am not so sure, and feel there are much bigger authorities to be answered...............
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What if the insurance is to be paid when the kids are over 18?
There are plenty of legal holes in this matter.
I believe insurance hasn't been paid out because that would constitute FRUAD....collecting money on death that didn't occur.
I guess I still hoping it's all part of a sting operation, as I do believe this is all being done for much bigger reasons than MJ exposing things related to him, and things to do with him. I think it is much bigger. Having said that, since beginning this journey I no longer have the same view of government I used to have, so I now am thinking beyond the "justice" realm.....I used to be waiting to hear about criminal indictments, now I am not so sure, and feel there are much bigger authorities to be answered...............
Seems unlikely. The insurance would be paid to the beneficiary, not necessarily the surviving minor children. Even if it was payable to the children, the funds would be placed in trust. It's not an insurance carrier's job to manage money in a trust fund for surviving minor children, nor would any estate chose for an insurance carrier to handle this when dividends and interest payouts would be payable for that time. That interest $$ would rightfully belong to the surviving minors, errr, the beneficiary of the policy, which was whom?
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If aren´t the kids, then was it Katherine?
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I don't know. I don't know that that info was made available to us. It would be on the insurance binder.
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@Grace.... are you a Government Agent ?? :LolLolLolLol:
Nope, I'm already a secretary and love eating snakes. :icon_lol:
Grace, it seems you're rather mysterious/suspicious! :suspect:
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mysterious?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/99/The_Mysterious_Mr_Quin_First_Edition_Cover_1930.jpg)
Naaaaah ...
I joined MJHD early enough to be already inside the theatre when drama played the main role and early enough to get a donkey's skin ever since - and sometimes I feel like a donkey indeed.
However, I never stopped laughing about myself the most.
If that's making me suspicious, well, come and join me laughing and you'll see ...
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The insurance policy never being cashed in was a big clue to me that there was no death, especially during the time when Katherine was complaining about not having enough money to care for the household. That would have been the first recourse IMO. Since she was the children’s legal guardian, she would have been charged to mange the money on their behalf.
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Katherine is not the legal guardian.
Guardian ad Litem Appointed for Michael Jackson's Children
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A Los Angeles judge has appointed a Guardian ad Litem to represent the interests of Michael Jackson's three young children.
Judge Mitchell Beckloff has named attorney Margaret Lodise of the firm of Sacks, Glazier, Franklin & Lodise, LLP, as the Guardian ad Litem for "Prince" Michael, Paris, and Prince "Blanket." According to the court, the children's grandmother, Katherine Jackson, will remain the Guardian of the Person for the children.
Posted August 11, 2009 12:16:00 PM
Guardian Ad Litem Appointed For Michael Jackson's Children (http://new.etonline.com/news/2009/08/77431/index.html)
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That's a legal advocate, Grace, ie the childrens' attorney.
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Michael Jackson's mother Katherine is officially declared children's guardian as she is awarded custody | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1204030/Michael-Jacksons-mother-Katherine-officially-declared-childrens-guardian-awarded-custody.html)
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Two guardians mean split tasks and making the kids independent of the estate's and Katherine's interests (and to be represented correctly in any court case). The reason for a guardian ad litem different from a family member is protective caution in law's world.
Jackson Court Hearing -- Afternoon Session
8/10/2009 3:10 PM PDT by TMZ Staff
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UPDATE: This is really important. The judge just appointed a guardian ad litem for the 3 Jackson kids. That means they will have independent representation in court proceedings. The notion -- that the interests of the kids may not completely square with the interests of Katherine Jackson or the estate. It's not unusual this happened, but it's significant.
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http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/10/michael-j ... n-session/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/10/michael-jackson-court-hearing-afternoon-session/)
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So, in case an insurance is cashed I think that the kids can do it when they are over 18?