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Title: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: trublu on April 20, 2012, 01:17:38 PM
Suge Knight I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead (http://www.tmz.com/2012/04/20/suge-knight-tupac-death-fakes/)

4/20/2012 10:00 AM PDT BY TMZ STAFF

There is a VERY good chance Tupac Shakur is alive and well ... and hiding ... this according to the man who was with him during the supposedly fatal shooting in Vegas, Suge Knight.

Knight just appeared on 93.5 KDay in L.A. with Tattoo and Cee Cee ... and pumped some major fuel into the biggest urban legend in hip hop ... that Tupac FAKED his own death.

Knight says his theory explains why cops never found his murderer -- because there was no murder.

"Maybe the question is ... Pac's not really dead ... pac's somewhere else," Knight says.

When asked if he ever saw Tupac's body following the 1996 shooting, he adds, "Nobody seen Tupac dead. "

Knight explains, "The person who supposedly cremated Tupac ... this guy got about 3 million dollars .. personally from me ... cash ... and next thing I know I never heard from the guy or seen him again ... he retired and left."

Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: Andrea on April 20, 2012, 01:26:01 PM
And so it begins.
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: trublu on April 20, 2012, 01:29:26 PM
I don't know if 2pac is alive or not but I fell like TMZ are seeing how people react to such news...

EDIT: and thanks to the person who sorted my link out  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: jam4truth on April 20, 2012, 01:29:36 PM
 :icon_rr: :elvis-1405: :michael_jackson-1135:


2PAC - Troublesome '96 (Lyrics)

"God forgive me cuz its wrong. But I plan to die"


2PAC - Road To Glory (sung at the Mike Tyson vs. Frank Bruno fight in March 1996)

"I let the world know I plan to die
If I don't leave with what I came for I'm leaving high"

Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: MJonmind on April 20, 2012, 01:33:41 PM
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KILLUMINATI:  54 minutes ago
Suge Knight got Tupac killed as his sacrifice to the new world order. Just google sugeknight baphomet. Sugeknight sold his soul to the industry and the devil, 2pac talked against these things and they wanted him dead so made suge knight sacrifice him. KILLUMINATI???!!!

People can make anybody an enemy once the talk goes around and people convince themselves. We've been here almost 3 years, know MJ's alive, and yet the talk of how evil the people around him are-- so stories of his sacrifice have to be lies.  Could be the same with 2pac.

Quote
Good riddance!:  47 minutes ago
His autopsy photos were pretty damn convincing. Including the 'Y' cut and the skull cut.
How little it takes to convince people of a lie. Watch at 2:50.   Tupac is alive 2016 NEW PROOF LEAKED (HD).flv - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHk7vjA3f9Q&feature=player_embedded)
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: Andrea on April 20, 2012, 01:34:47 PM
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I don't know if 2pac is alive or not but I fell like TMZ are seeing how people react to such news...

EDIT: and thanks to the person who sorted my link out  :icon_razz:


This isn't new news but TMZ is officially following our forum and has been since at least the one year anniversary of MJ's "death" (when it was first noticed).

Blogroll | TMZ.com (http://www.tmz.com/blogroll/)

The only, by the way, MJ site they are officially linked to.
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: trublu on April 20, 2012, 01:37:46 PM
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I don't know if 2pac is alive or not but I fell like TMZ are seeing how people react to such news...

EDIT: and thanks to the person who sorted my link out  :icon_razz:


This isn't new news but TMZ is officially following our forum and has been since at least the one year anniversary of MJ's "death" (when it was first noticed).

Blogroll | TMZ.com (http://www.tmz.com/blogroll/)

The only, by the way, MJ site they are officially linked to.

Yeah I know, crazy that they follow us like that!

What I mean is maybe they are testing with the mass public (or readers of tmz), how they might react to such 'news'.  (for when MJ bams for real!!  :woohoo2:)
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: Andrea on April 20, 2012, 01:43:53 PM
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I don't know if 2pac is alive or not but I fell like TMZ are seeing how people react to such news...

EDIT: and thanks to the person who sorted my link out  :icon_razz:


This isn't new news but TMZ is officially following our forum and has been since at least the one year anniversary of MJ's "death" (when it was first noticed).

Blogroll | TMZ.com (http://www.tmz.com/blogroll/)

The only, by the way, MJ site they are officially linked to.

Yeah I know, crazy that they follow us like that!

What I mean is maybe they are testing with the mass public (or readers of tmz), how they might react to such 'news'.  (for when MJ bams for real!!  :woohoo2:)

Understood.  Sticking a toe in the water, as it were. 

When it happens, everything will stop.  :icon_e_biggrin:
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: ~Souza~ on April 20, 2012, 01:48:25 PM
 :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: Sandal8259 on April 20, 2012, 02:00:24 PM
Guys, this is not surprising or shocking to me regard Tupac.   Tupac has some very powerful connection. Do some research on Tupac Shukar you will not be or you may be surprise at the powerful connection that he has. If he needs to disappear, he knows powerful people that will help him. 
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: wishingstar on April 20, 2012, 02:14:26 PM
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KILLUMINATI:  54 minutes ago
Suge Knight got Tupac killed as his sacrifice to the new world order. Just google sugeknight baphomet. Sugeknight sold his soul to the industry and the devil, 2pac talked against these things and they wanted him dead so made suge knight sacrifice him. KILLUMINATI???!!!

People can make anybody an enemy once the talk goes around and people convince themselves. We've been here almost 3 years, know MJ's alive, and yet the talk of how evil the people around him are-- so stories of his sacrifice have to be lies.  Could be the same with 2pac.

Quote
Good riddance!:  47 minutes ago
His autopsy photos were pretty damn convincing. Including the 'Y' cut and the skull cut.
How little it takes to convince people of a lie. Watch at 2:50.   Tupac is alive 2016 NEW PROOF LEAKED (HD).flv - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHk7vjA3f9Q&feature=player_embedded)

OK...I am officially freaked...you got me, I am almost done.....I posted last night some 2Pac instrumentals I had run across randomly on YouTube....promise you it was random. Here's the link:

Songs you listen to during this period (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=18951.msg399229#msg399229)

I mentioned being "old school"...not old, just old school etc......but, that's not that weird part......the one video I saw and didn't post....entitled "Old School-instrumental"  is THIS ONE....I didn't want to post it because, while I like the beats, I didn't like the picture....but, now that you bring it up  :affraid:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp3y2f7_Hfk&feature=related[/youtube]

I absolutely don't know what to make of these coincidences.  I will see stuff around the net, around town even......then the subject, picture, whatever is posted here soon afterwards.  It's happened time and time again.........are we truly being watched or really are these pure coincidences.  I don't know.....but this latest one is enough to do me in. 

MJonmind......where is that quote from?  The one you posted about Suge........I didn't see it prior....maybe I missed it? 

Blessings......always 
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: BeTheChange on April 20, 2012, 02:25:55 PM
That was one expensive cremation...he should've shopped around.

 :icon_lol: @ TMZ

With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: trublu on April 20, 2012, 02:33:57 PM
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How little it takes to convince people of a lie. Watch at 2:50.   Tupac is alive 2016 NEW PROOF LEAKED (HD).flv - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHk7vjA3f9Q&feature=player_embedded)

Interesting video! Thanks for posting :icon_e_smile:
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: voiceforthesilent on April 20, 2012, 03:24:44 PM
Thanks for sharing this - I agree that they are testing the waters. Next will be MJ may be alive :)
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: PureLove on April 20, 2012, 03:28:42 PM
Ohhh I hope this is true and he is alive for real.  :icon_bounce: How great it would be if they come back all together. Michael, Elvis and Tupac! And maybe Whitney too.  :icon_e_biggrin:
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: SimPattyK on April 20, 2012, 04:13:26 PM
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Ohhh I hope this is true and he is alive for real.  :icon_bounce: How great it would be if they come back all together.
Michael, Elvis and Tupac! And maybe Whitney too .
  :icon_e_biggrin:
(http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Content/0059.gif)  :bowdown: :affraid: THAT would be the most BAMtastic BAM ever !!!! (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Content/U_JUMP%7E1.GIF)(http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Content/U_JUMP%7E1.GIF)(http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Content/U_JUMP%7E1.GIF)
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: hesouttamylife on April 20, 2012, 04:19:08 PM
 :WTF:It doesn’t surprise me that Suge would say that being that he was implicated as the prime suspect in the shooting.  It gives him a way to clear his name if not his conscience.   :Pulling_hair:
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: SimPattyK on April 20, 2012, 05:19:58 PM
To me, Suge has a pretty similar role as Conrad Murray...  :icon_albino: :icon_e_biggrin:
And what he said in that interview (about not being so sure 2PAC is dead), resembles a lot with what Murray said in his documentary : that if he spoke the truth he would walk free!  :icon_geek: :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on April 20, 2012, 05:53:46 PM
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And so it begins.

Exactly and so it begins. Remember that concidence doesn't exist here. This story is a good test for MJ to see how people react on this news and how this develops. First the hologram/or 2pac for real and now this TMZ article can make more people thinking "what if 2pac is really alive".. and with "Piece by piece by piece 2pac reveals himself" the public can be prepared and it will not be too much of a shock to see the truth. A sort of hoax pilot project ;D
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: GINAFELICIA on April 20, 2012, 09:25:54 PM
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That was one expensive cremation...he should've shopped around.

 :icon_lol: @ TMZ

With L.O.V.E. always.
It's amazing this guy comes to say "I gave him 3 million $"  :WTF: Why on earth would someone give that man the money ?????
Maybe Tupac is TS
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: GINAFELICIA on April 20, 2012, 09:28:48 PM
the title is not in accordance with the content because this guy says Tupac is alive, not that he's not convinced Tupac is dead.
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: Adi on April 20, 2012, 09:57:05 PM
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Ohhh I hope this is true and he is alive for real.  :icon_bounce: How great it would be if they come back all together. Michael, Elvis and Tupac! And maybe Whitney too.  :icon_e_biggrin:

That would be incredible!!!! .....the world would go into a global shock...the Internet wouldn't cope  :icon_lol:     :computer-losy-smiley: !

I don't know a whole lot about Tupac's apparent death but since the Coachella Tupac Hologram (if that is really what it was and I have my doubts)  I have been reading up on it and this is getting really interesting.
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: curls on April 21, 2012, 01:42:20 AM
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And so it begins.

Exactly and so it begins. Remember that concidence doesn't exist here. This story is a good test for MJ to see how people react on this news and how this develops. First the hologram/or 2pac for real and now this TMZ article can make more people thinking "what if 2pac is really alive".. and with "Piece by piece by piece 2pac reveals himself" the public can be prepared and it will not be too much of a shock to see the truth. A sort of hoax pilot project ;D

Not sure I like the sound of this. Doesn't MJ do things bigger and better than the rest?  Not get lumped in as an also-ran in the ever growing list of fake celebrity deaths! At this rate his bam won't even be the 'breaking news ...' - it'll be the 'and finally ...'   :icon_e_sad:
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: Tink on April 21, 2012, 06:47:01 PM
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That was one expensive cremation...he should've shopped around.

 :icon_lol: @ TMZ

With L.O.V.E. always.
It's amazing this guy comes to say "I gave him 3 million $"  :WTF: Why on earth would someone give that man the money ?????
Maybe Tupac is TS

sounds like bribe money to me - to cover up for being the bloody murderer. Don't want any bullets being found in the ashes, now do we?

And if wishes were fishes - Michael's the ONLY one who planned anything, as far as I'm concerned. It's written all over his driving the ambulance, and his tush. Nobody else did anything like that.
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: LoveShyMichael on April 21, 2012, 08:13:38 PM
I feel Tupac faked his death. He also expressed his dislike for the Illumanti. So I think Tupac & Elvis did the hoax way before Michael did. Michael was able to use their hoaxes as making it easier for him to pull his off.  Smart Man!
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: Tink on April 21, 2012, 08:19:44 PM
Until proven otherwise, I believe the Illuminati is from a bloody game I used to play.  :thjajaja121:

Seriously - the Queen isn't a lizard, I don't know who came up with that garbage! They've been trying to preserve bloodlines - but not for lizards. They were hoping for something beautiful.
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: LoveShyMichael on April 21, 2012, 08:23:34 PM
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Suge Knight I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead (http://www.tmz.com/2012/04/20/suge-knight-tupac-death-fakes/)

Knight explains, "The person who supposedly cremated Tupac ... this guy got about 3 million dollars .. personally from me ... cash ... and next thing I know I never heard from the guy or seen him again ... he retired and left."

Maybe the "person" who got 3 million dollars from Knight was TUPAC!   That might explain why Knight never heard from "him" being TUPAC, again.  He "retired & left", sounds like TUPAC retired & left.

Again, I listen & watch for words that are referring to TUPAC, as a "person who got 3 million & retired & left".

Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: Tink on April 21, 2012, 08:57:31 PM
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Suge Knight I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead (http://www.tmz.com/2012/04/20/suge-knight-tupac-death-fakes/)

Knight explains, "The person who supposedly cremated Tupac ... this guy got about 3 million dollars .. personally from me ... cash ... and next thing I know I never heard from the guy or seen him again ... he retired and left."

Maybe the "person" who got 3 million dollars from Knight was TUPAC!   That might explain why Knight never heard from "him" being TUPAC, again.  He "retired & left", sounds like TUPAC retired & left.

Again, I listen & watch for words that are referring to TUPAC, as a "person who got 3 million & retired & left".

Wasn't he worth more than $3 million, though?  :(
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: LoveShyMichael on April 21, 2012, 10:24:50 PM
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Suge Knight I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead (http://www.tmz.com/2012/04/20/suge-knight-tupac-death-fakes/)

Knight explains, "The person who supposedly cremated Tupac ... this guy got about 3 million dollars .. personally from me ... cash ... and next thing I know I never heard from the guy or seen him again ... he retired and left."

Maybe the "person" who got 3 million dollars from Knight was TUPAC!   That might explain why Knight never heard from "him" being TUPAC, again.  He "retired & left", sounds like TUPAC retired & left.

Again, I listen & watch for words that are referring to TUPAC, as a "person who got 3 million & retired & left".

Wasn't he worth more than $3 million, though?  :(

3 million is a HUGE START. How much money would a guy who's suppose to be dead? We all know that right after a celebrity death, the sales of EVERYTHING goes sky high.
I feel Tupac planned his "exit", just like Michael did.
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: Adi on April 21, 2012, 10:49:32 PM
$3 million is a significantly huge amount of money for most people on Earth.....maybe that was "all" Tupac needed to get himself settled elsewhere if he really did fake his death.
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: LoveShyMichael on April 21, 2012, 11:21:09 PM
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$3 million is a significantly huge amount of money for most people on Earth.....maybe that was "all" Tupac needed to get himself settled elsewhere if he really did fake his death.

Yep, that's what I said too. 3 million in cash! Why would Knight pay 3 million in cash for Tupac's cremation? Cash? Really? Wonder what "person" running a business of cremation, which I would imagine it would have to be a business, "if" this was legit, & 3 million in cash? Who would even pay 3 million in cash? 3 million sounds like more of "retired & exit" pension for a rapper who faked his death. Knights whole story is believable, but the "person" being Tupac is my conclusion.
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: GINAFELICIA on April 21, 2012, 11:55:30 PM
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$3 million is a significantly huge amount of money for most people on Earth.....maybe that was "all" Tupac needed to get himself settled elsewhere if he really did fake his death.

Yep, that's what I said too. 3 million in cash! Why would Knight pay 3 million in cash for Tupac's cremation? Cash? Really? Wonder what "person" running a business of cremation, which I would imagine it would have to be a business, "if" this was legit, & 3 million in cash? Who would even pay 3 million in cash? 3 million sounds like more of "retired & exit" pension for a rapper who faked his death. Knights whole story is believable, but the "person" being Tupac is my conclusion.
I think nobody got 3 millions and this guy is talking garbage. If he really gave that cash to the man who cremated/"cremated" Tupac - he wouldn't come in public to say it. I mean this could start an investigation from my point of view.
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: Im_convincedmjalive on April 21, 2012, 11:57:03 PM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxDD4pfIa3I&feature=related[/youtube]

Disclaimer: I am not entirely convinced Tupac is dead after watching the video MJonmind posted however Suge is a thug and not to be trusted. One must see past the Illusion of Hollywood glitz and glammer and go deep into the depths of hell to understand the way things really work. I do not agree nor disagree with the content of this video but I'm providing it for further evidence to be taken into consideration. Everyone is entitled to their opinions.


I just wonder why it appears that some are actually taking TMZ at their word that Suge actually said this... Anyone have confirmation from Suge?
  :icon_rr:
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: LoveShyMichael on April 22, 2012, 12:09:53 AM
What Knight said makes perfect sense to me. ( Then again, I've also been told I'm plum crazy for believing Michael & Elvis are still alive)...lol  .

To me, Knight supplied money to Tupac. 3 million is a handful to start a life after "death". Actually 3 million in cold hard cash.

Tupac knew how deadly the Illumanti was. He voiced it many times in interviews & his music.
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: Im_convincedmjalive on April 22, 2012, 01:10:24 AM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDqDJwMezCI[/youtube]

I asked for confirmation and I also have provided it. Regardless of this (Suge comment) situation turning out to be told by TMZ as truth, everything should always be investigated beyond the forum.
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on April 22, 2012, 06:43:53 AM
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And so it begins.

Exactly and so it begins. Remember that concidence doesn't exist here. This story is a good test for MJ to see how people react on this news and how this develops. First the hologram/or 2pac for real and now this TMZ article can make more people thinking "what if 2pac is really alive".. and with "Piece by piece by piece 2pac reveals himself" the public can be prepared and it will not be too much of a shock to see the truth. A sort of hoax pilot project ;D

Not sure I like the sound of this. Doesn't MJ do things bigger and better than the rest?  Not get lumped in as an also-ran in the ever growing list of fake celebrity deaths! At this rate his bam won't even be the 'breaking news ...' - it'll be the 'and finally ...'   :icon_e_sad:

Please don't get me wrong here.
Michael is the only one who can/will give the greatest mindblowing show on earth which will be beyond all expectations.
I remember that about a year ago I've mentioned in a few posts that it wouldn't surprise me that Michael is an innovator and groundbreaker in film/show technology in the entertainment industry, because of his fascination of cameras which can be connected with holograms too. Michael could be behind Tupac's holoshow or has hands on it. Tupac's holographic groundbreaking performance was hardly distinguishable from the real one. I believe that this holoshow is a part of Michael´s entire plan for his ultimate show, same as ´This Is It´ and ´The Immortal tour´ & more. So.. I bet he's very busy `behind the curtain´. Maybe ´pilot project´ wasn't the proper wording I used in my previous post, the shows and the projects are significant pieces of the whole scenario and a promising introduction to the greatest show on earth. It will be definitely 'breaking news'  :michael-jackson:

"You ain't seen nothing yet, and the best is yet to come." ~Michael Jackson

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Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: use_your_illusion on April 22, 2012, 09:04:20 AM
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Suge Knight I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead (http://www.tmz.com/2012/04/20/suge-knight-tupac-death-fakes/)

Knight explains, "The person who supposedly cremated Tupac ... this guy got about 3 million dollars .. personally from me ... cash ... and next thing I know I never heard from the guy or seen him again ... he retired and left."

Maybe the "person" who got 3 million dollars from Knight was TUPAC!   That might explain why Knight never heard from "him" being TUPAC, again.  He "retired & left", sounds like TUPAC retired & left.

Again, I listen & watch for words that are referring to TUPAC, as a "person who got 3 million & retired & left".

Nice connection....I agree


About the fact that Suge is a thug, I agree to a certain extent but I think he is a person who will be loyal to those who have his back.

After Tupac got shot 5 times, he woke up, it was a smack in the face to him, everything he said after that day in his interviews and when he went to court etc. knew what was going on and he knew he was smart enough knowing what he knew then to do what he had to do....

I just also want to share this interview, because I think in a lot of his interviews, he subtly says things, that mean a whole lot more....like when he said in his song 'now I'm back giving the facts back to you'...that's what he did.


"But, I will say, I already took five bullets and if I can help it, I don't plan on taking no more....I would tell each and every person out there....be to yourself, stay to yourself, trust nobody, trust NOBODY. My closest friends did me in, my closest friends, my homies, people I took care of their whole family, I took care everything for them, looked out for them, put them in the game, everything, turned on me"

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjOSof5TSn8&feature=related[/youtube]
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: jam4truth on April 22, 2012, 09:06:44 AM
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxDD4pfIa3I&feature=related[/youtube]

Disclaimer: I am not entirely convinced Tupac is dead after watching the video MJonmind posted however Suge is a thug and not to be trusted. One must see past the Illusion of Hollywood glitz and glammer and go deep into the depths of hell to understand the way things really work. I do not agree nor disagree with the content of this video but I'm providing it for further evidence to be taken into consideration. Everyone is entitled to their opinions.


I just wonder why it appears that some are actually taking TMZ at their word that Suge actually said this... Anyone have confirmation from Suge?
  :icon_rr:


Suge already said the part about Pac faking his death and the person that "allegedly" cremated Tupac in interviews of 2011...


Suge Knight says why 2pac WOULD fake his death! 2011

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1CZFRj60C0[/youtube]


Suge Knight HINTS 2pac IS ALIVE!! 2011 => about the "supposed" cremation

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A2wyJ7wqD8[/youtube]


Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: Im_convincedmjalive on April 22, 2012, 10:26:41 AM
Hey jam4truth-

Thank you for the vids.  :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on April 22, 2012, 10:45:46 AM
I haven't follow too much Tupac's story but IMHO Tupac's hologram and Michael's future hologram at the Unity Jacksons Tour are for sure related to each other   :affraid:
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: curls on April 22, 2012, 11:30:17 AM
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Please don't get me wrong here.

"You ain't seen nothing yet, and the best is yet to come." ~Michael Jackson

L.O.V.E. always

I do hope you're right, I would hate us to have spent all this time here, only to have everything fizzle out in a whimper!

(I read a fun comment a couple of days ago, in an article somewhere about Tupac faking his death - the poster said wouldn't it be great if all the artists with suspicious deaths came back, though they'd rather have Michael Jackson back than Tupac!)
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: LoveShyMichael on April 22, 2012, 04:12:58 PM
I want Elvis, Tupac & Michael are to return TOGETHER!.  You know there still would be people out there that would say "those are impersonators", they are all dead. I can't tell you the countless looks I get when I say all three of those faked their death.

Especially Michael's. Since Michael's is still fresh in mainstream media news, & now with Jackson's going on tour ( if that happens), his name is still brought up.

But when I say "he faked his death", & give them clues, many of them do say, " Hey, you have a lot of information that's different than what I was told from E News, for example", then, they say, "Hey, if anyone could pull it off, I'd say Mike would be the one."

Elvis & Tupac has been "dead" for awhile, so any "death hoax" from those two, isn't really NEW news, because those rumors have surfaced for years.
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: AKHTONI on April 22, 2012, 04:34:14 PM
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I want Elvis, Tupac & Michael are to return TOGETHER!

++++1  :bowdown:
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: Dontwalkaway on April 22, 2012, 05:01:45 PM
Thanks for the videos Jam4Truth and others. 

I'll keep watching !!!  Tupac's death does seem like a hoax.  It's seems like it's the next episode in the "Hoaxta Party" that's going on just like SimPattyK says.    I hope, I hope, I hope !!!

 :bearhug:
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: SimPattyK on April 22, 2012, 05:26:54 PM
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I want Elvis, Tupac & Michael are to return TOGETHER!
++++1  :bowdown:
+ 1 !! :bowdown:


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Thanks for the videos Jam4Truth and others. 

I'll keep watching !!!  Tupac's death does seem like a hoax.  It's seems like it's the next episode in the "Hoaxta Party" that's going on just like SimPattyK says.    I hope, I hope, I hope !!! :bearhug:
  :woohoo2: :bearhug:
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: Tink on April 23, 2012, 12:15:38 AM
Well - I finally told my one cousin what happened with the snow angel at the gates of Neverland. She said that's a sign you just can't ignore, and said that having witnesses to the angel was intentional. We talked about how our family has had its share of miracles, over the past few years, including a few of us being alive.

After what I've seen, heard, I do know miracles really DO HAPPEN.

Ergo, I don't know if people are just being wishful, or what with Tupac. I'll just say this: It's in God's hands. I wasn't there, so I'd think the medical doctors and the family know the truth. Everything else is conjecture.

Just don't forget the impact you can have on a young family member, or the kid across the street by taking time with them. Perhaps they may become the next rapper, or President of your country.
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: MJonmind on April 24, 2012, 03:15:29 AM
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I feel Tupac faked his death. He also expressed his dislike for the Illumanti. So I think Tupac & Elvis did the hoax way before Michael did. Michael was able to use their hoaxes as making it easier for him to pull his off.  Smart Man!
And he'll do his even better!

Simpa
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To me, Suge has a pretty similar role as Conrad Murray... 
 
And what he said in that interview (about not being so sure 2PAC is dead), resembles a lot with what Murray said in his documentary : that if he spoke the truth he would walk free!

I miss seeing Conrad. :icon_cry:  The good ol' days. :errrr:
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: jam4truth on April 24, 2012, 05:10:35 AM
Hey guys, i've to tell you another interesting connection between Suge Knight and Pac's first posthumus album "Tha Don Makaveli - the 7day Theory".


Promo (see executive producer Simon alias Suge Knight)

(http://www.makavelithedon.de/makaveli/makaveli/promo.jpg)

Why did Tupac promote the CD with a poster of himself laying his head in his hands and the caption reading " All you have to do is LISTEN VERY CAREFULLY." What is that suppose to mean?


(http://www.searching4tupacshakur.com/CD%20COVER1.jpg)

Who is the producer of the "7 Day theory"? Simon. In the bible Simon helped Jesus carry the cross. Suge Knight is the producer of the 7 day theory why did he change his name to Simon? Simon was also an apostle who was one of the first witnesses of the ressurection listed by St. Paul.


lyrics of "Hold Ya Head"

first voice: Can you see him?" 
second voice: "I see him."
Tupac: "I'm alive..."


In an interview done in August 1996 one month before the Vegas trip Tupac said this in the interview: "Maybe next month all of this will be over, but this month I'm taking out every living target." "I plotted every single step from this to this, everything is plotted I feel like an elected official."

source, clues and more info: The 7 Day Theory CD (http://www.searching4tupacshakur.com/The7daytheorycd.html)
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: Adi on April 24, 2012, 06:56:13 AM
That is really interesting jam4truth......thanks for the link and the info! The more I read about Tupac the more I am intrigued.
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: mimi248 on April 24, 2012, 08:33:05 AM
i don't know if tupac is stil alive :/
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: emulik on April 24, 2012, 09:33:15 AM
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And so it begins.

Exactly and so it begins. Remember that concidence doesn't exist here. This story is a good test for MJ to see how people react on this news and how this develops. First the hologram/or 2pac for real and now this TMZ article can make more people thinking "what if 2pac is really alive".. and with "Piece by piece by piece 2pac reveals himself" the public can be prepared and it will not be too much of a shock to see the truth. A sort of hoax pilot project ;D

Not sure I like the sound of this. Doesn't MJ do things bigger and better than the rest?  Not get lumped in as an also-ran in the ever growing list of fake celebrity deaths! At this rate his bam won't even be the 'breaking news ...' - it'll be the 'and finally ...'   :icon_e_sad:

Please don't get me wrong here.
Michael is the only one who can/will give the greatest mindblowing show on earth which will be beyond all expectations.
I remember that about a year ago I've mentioned in a few posts that it wouldn't surprise me that Michael is an innovator and groundbreaker in film/show technology in the entertainment industry, because of his fascination of cameras which can be connected with holograms too. Michael could be behind Tupac's holoshow or has hands on it. Tupac's holographic groundbreaking performance was hardly distinguishable from the real one. I believe that this holoshow is a part of Michael´s entire plan for his ultimate show, same as ´This Is It´ and ´The Immortal tour´ & more. So.. I bet he's very busy `behind the curtain´. Maybe ´pilot project´ wasn't the proper wording I used in my previous post, the shows and the projects are significant pieces of the whole scenario and a promising introduction to the greatest show on earth. It will be definitely 'breaking news'  :michael-jackson:

"You ain't seen nothing yet, and the best is yet to come." ~Michael Jackson

L.O.V.E. always

perfect post Everlastinglove!! I agree with everything you wrote. Michael always wants to bring things on a higher level, but I think in this case it will be the highest level in the history! We already know he has the best plan he has prepared very long time, so it will be something huge! Coming back to life is huge itself, but Michael has prepared something special, many things and hidden truth will come to day light. Although we have learnt many things during past years, I bet we will be surprised too.   :icon_e_wink:

You are right Everlastinglove, (http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv295/jellybeanjordann/Decorated%20images/best-1.jpg)
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: SimPattyK on April 24, 2012, 10:58:06 AM
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Hey guys, i've to tell you another interesting connection between Suge Knight and Pac's first posthumus album "Tha Don Makaveli - the 7day Theory".


Promo (see executive producer Simon alias Suge Knight)

(http://www.makavelithedon.de/makaveli/makaveli/promo.jpg)

Why did Tupac promote the CD with a poster of himself laying his head in his hands and the caption reading " All you have to do is LISTEN VERY CAREFULLY." What is that suppose to mean?


(http://www.searching4tupacshakur.com/CD%20COVER1.jpg)

Who is the producer of the "7 Day theory"? Simon. In the bible Simon helped Jesus carry the cross. Suge Knight is the producer of the 7 day theory why did he change his name to Simon? Simon was also an apostle who was one of the first witnesses of the ressurection listed by St. Paul.


lyrics of "Hold Ya Head"

first voice: Can you see him?" 
second voice: "I see him."
Tupac: "I'm alive..."


In an interview done in August 1996 one month before the Vegas trip Tupac said this in the interview: "Maybe next month all of this will be over, but this month I'm taking out every living target." "I plotted every single step from this to this, everything is plotted I feel like an elected official."

source, clues and more info: The 7 Day Theory CD (http://www.searching4tupacshakur.com/The7daytheorycd.html)
@JamforTruth: GREAT post on 2PAC !! (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Respect/number-one-45.gif)
The moment I saw all those clues in the Coachella hologram show I was 90% sure that 2PAC is alive!!! What I read afterwards about his suspicious "death" filled the rest of the 10%!! Personally I have no doubts that he's alive! The Numerology clues, just like in ELvis & MJ case are simply mind blowing!! And his fight and irony against Illuminati is more than REVEALING!! I can easily picture all 3 of them, genius brains, sitting in some underground secret hide tunnel, laughing their socks off over their secret PLAN, WATCHIN' the reactions of people!!  :icon_e_wink: :icon_lol:
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on April 24, 2012, 02:02:51 PM
Wow! Wow!
Maybe TS is really Tupac Shakur????  :woohoo2: :animal0017:
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: ilovemjforever on April 24, 2012, 11:07:38 PM
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Wow! Wow!
Maybe TS is really Tupac Shakur????  :woohoo2: :animal0017:
Oh my,its a great possibility.The thought gives me chills.
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: MJonmind on April 25, 2012, 05:20:23 AM
Was this documentary posted yet? It sounds very thorough, but I only started listening to the first 5 minutes of over 2 hours, if someone has more time...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vghFPUk-qEg&feature=related[/youtube]

"Law enforcement officers were working for death row, and that was a scandal in itself.  They were working for organized crime. Suge knight had a lot of power in the police.  He said Suge wanted 2pac’s murder to look like a fight between the bloods and the crips. Suge staged a fight in the casino to give a motive for the later killing of 2pac. "
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: hesouttamylife on April 25, 2012, 07:21:44 AM
If Suge paid anybody 3 million for a cremation, it would have had to be for him to do the job quietly and quickly so as not to have any remains left that could convict him.  All these rumors of Pac still being alive must feel like a wake-up call to Suge and possibly got him wondering if the dude took the money, didn't do it and skipped camp.  In that case, Suge has to say something to make himself appear loyal.  If he didn't oversee the cremation, who knows what really happened?  Should Pac come back with any vengeance, Suge is wise to be doing as best he can to wipe his slate clean.  Tying up the loose ends.  How totally awesome though would it be for Tupac to still be alive!  I loved his poetic justice. Pac was/is the truth!
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: LoveShyMichael on April 25, 2012, 07:26:45 PM
And Tupac starred in Poetic Justice with Janet Jackson. I do feel Suge knows Tupac is not dead. He's just playing dumb. I know people have ways of getting around the laws, but why even mention that he paid 3 million dollars to some random guy to cremate Tupac? C'mon this a famous rapper, with an "unsolved murder", & Tupac has family, you mean Tupac's mom just agreed to have some random guy cremate her son? This is first time I've heard this about Tupac even being available for a cremation.

And Tupac's family you would think would be asking Suge" hey where's Tupac's remains?" And this would have hit mainstream media.

If Suge is in the music business, to make business decisions, I don't buy him just "GIVING" some guy the money, without the "goods, Tupac" being returned.
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: Im_convincedmjalive on April 26, 2012, 12:06:29 AM
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Was this documentary posted yet? It sounds very thorough, but I only started listening to the first 5 minutes of over 2 hours, if someone has more time...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vghFPUk-qEg&feature=related[/youtube]

Law enforcement officers were working for death row, and that was a scandal in itself.  They were working for organized crime. Suge knight had a lot of power in the police.  He said Suge wanted 2pac’s murder to look like a fight between the bloods and the crips. Suge staged a fight in the casino to give a motive for the later killing of 2pac.

Thanks for posting the docu MJonmind. Your on the right track. I would say that the info you provided above in your comment is all true. Especially the part about Crips and Bloods. Pay attention to the interview Suge did for TMZ and he talks about the (color) red team and we don't do NO tellin round here..

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8arBl2L31w&feature=g-all-u&context=G23c378fFAAAAAPAAGAA[/youtube]
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: ilovemjforever on April 30, 2012, 01:18:20 AM
Of course Tupac is alive....Suge might be a gangsta,but i doubt if he is a sell out.I believe he assisted Tupac in faking his death.
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: PureLove on April 30, 2012, 12:12:51 PM
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I want Elvis, Tupac & Michael are to return TOGETHER!
++++1  :bowdown:
+ 1 !! :bowdown:

+++++++1  :bowdown:
Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: loveratheart4mj on April 30, 2012, 10:17:17 PM
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I don't know if 2pac is alive or not but I fell like TMZ are seeing how people react to such news...

EDIT: and thanks to the person who sorted my link out  :icon_razz:


This isn't new news but TMZ is officially following our forum and has been since at least the one year anniversary of MJ's "death" (when it was first noticed).

Blogroll | TMZ.com (http://www.tmz.com/blogroll/)

The only, by the way, MJ site they are officially linked to.

Yeah I know, crazy that they follow us like that!

What I mean is maybe they are testing with the mass public (or readers of tmz), how they might react to such 'news'.  (for when MJ bams for real!!  :woohoo2:)



I just hope he does bam for real!! Im so tired. I just want him to return physically. Never to sing again if thats his wishes. I just want to be able to see him and know hes happy. :abouttime:

Title: Re: SUGE KNIGHT I'm NOT CONVINCED 2pac is Really Dead
Post by: SimPattyK on April 30, 2012, 11:51:39 PM
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I want Elvis, Tupac & Michael are to return TOGETHER!
++++1  :bowdown:
+ 1 !! :bowdown:
+++++++1  :bowdown:
LMFAO  :thjajaja121:

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