Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Persons Of Interest => Everyone Else => Tohme Tohme => Topic started by: marumjj on April 03, 2012, 06:58:50 PM
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Dr. Tohme Tohme extorted Michael... :screaming-7365:
http://diaryofahollywoodstreetking.com/dr-tohme-tohmes-extortion-of-michael-jackson-exposed/
The masks are falling
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Dr Tohme Tohme’s Extortion of Michael Jackson Exposed!
HSK Exclusive - The man who sources say helped to hone Raffles Van Exel’s fast-talking game used the very tools he passed along to his protege to blackmail the King of Pop.
HSK has exclusively learned that, while Michael Jackson was alive, Dr. Tohme Tohme used the late singer’s Propofol addiction as an extortion tool – threatening MJ he’d tell the world of his drug habits. Sources say that’s exactly how Tohme muscled his way into gaining control of all aspects of MJ’s life. It’s something we’re told Raffles Val Exel knows all too well.
Here’s what an insider recently revealed about the “doctor” who isn’t licensed to practice medicine:
“Dr. Tohme Tohme blackmailed MJ to become his manager…that’s when Tohme went into Neverland Ranch, took paintings and other property to Julien’s Auction and told them to sell it all.”
Michael freaked out and filed a lawsuit to get back his belongings. The Bentley Raffles Van Exel was seen driving last Wednesday in Los Angeles, with Dr. Tohme in the passenger seat, is part of that lawsuit.”
I asked my source how Michael paid Tohme, and here’s the response I got:
“Michael gave Dr Tohme Tohme $5 million to buy him a house in Las Vegas. Michael died and two months later. After his death, Dr Tohme Tohme purchased a house across from the Bel Air Hotel for $ 5 million. He paid for that home with cash. The Jackson Estate currently has Tohme in court, they want Michael’s money and belongings back, items Dr Tohme Tohme stole.”
Is Dr Thome Tohme expected in court facing the Jackson Estate on April 12th? Of course he is. Don’t believe me.. Ask Joe Jackson.
http://es.scribd.com/doc/87862052/Michael-Jackson-Estate-vs-Dr-Tohme-Tohme
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Yep, it seems that we are approaching the end of the hoax and 2012 is the lucky year eventually!
Probably TNZ is right and MJ's successful comeback could also mean a new mandate for Obama after all...
Can't wait to see that press conference or whatever will bring him back to us, for the first time in 3 years.
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Wow - thank you for sharing this with us. I need to think on this for awhile. I agree with Veronica though, that 2012 needs to see some of these things dealt with.
I am not sure how I missed it but I did not know that Thome and Raffles have been seen together. One thing that confuses me in the story above is the Rolls Royce - are they saying that Michael lost the lawsuit and had to pay Thome?
Blessings
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I asked my source how Michael paid Tohme, and here’s the response I got:
“Michael gave Dr Tohme Tohme $5 million to buy him a house in Las Vegas. Michael died and two months later. After his death, Dr Tohme Tohme purchased a house across from the Bel Air Hotel for $ 5 million. He paid for that home with cash. The Jackson Estate currently has Tohme in court, they want Michael’s money and belongings back, items Dr Tohme Tohme stole.”
1) there needs to be a narrator - called Jacky
2) the house across Bel Air Hotel is a considerable location given the fact that the entry just around the corner leads into a valley (allegedly no house there), has a closed gate now when it was a normal public street with a dead end and that moving trucks have been seen there.
The house itself was purchased for $5.8 million on 7/14/2009.
Wasn't Raffles living with Whitney and Bobby Kristina at the Bel Air Hotel?
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It doesn't make sense to me.
If Thome Thome is a bad guy and he blackmailed Michael into appointing him his manager in return to not telling the world of his propofol addiction - this means Michael really was a drug addict?????
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that whole story seems to me like another fiction and Thome Thome is just another fictional character -
and he was created as 'a bad guy' from the beginning. So no matter what is going on with him in the story,
it has nothing to do with the truth. (sure, I may be wrong...)
The Bentley Raffles Van Exel was seen driving last Wednesday in Los Angeles, with Dr. Tohme in the passenger seat.”
Thome Thome in Audi TT would be funnier.)
Yep, it seems that we are approaching the end of the hoax and 2012 is the lucky year eventually!
Why do you make such a conclusion?
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http://diaryofahollywoodstreetking.com/raffles-van-exel-connected-to-gay-mafia/
It just gets weirder by the day.
Raffles van Exel Connected To Gay Mafia!
by Jacky Jasper
Raffles van Exel favorite quote: “Knowledge is Power”
HSK Exclusive - We’re getting word Raffles van Exel (real name: Raffles Dawson) was once a gigolo who catered exclusively to male clientele. I would tell you to ask Michael Jackson’s former attorney Peter Lopez, but back in 2010, he was found dead from a gun shot to his head. Don’t believe me.. Ask the blackmailer, Raffles Van Exel.
Many of you reading this (yeah you too Star Jones) have heard the story about David Geffen sending his limo to pick Raffles up for a party the music mogul was holding. Only, as Raffles tells it, the party was just for the two of them. Three seperate sources have confirmed to HSK that back in the 90′s Raffles worked as a male escort.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8sehev1xjsE[/youtube]
The video of Jermaine Jackson above was filmed in 2002, and was used to support a con Raffles was pulling over on the Dutch singer Connie (here). Jermaine looks like he is being held hostage by Al Qeda while he reads their demands. Was Jermaine also being extorted by Raffles van Exel. The event Jermaine is inviting Connie to perform at was later determined to be a scheme. Was Jermaine complicit or just a victim?
Take a sip of this hot tea that was also served:
“Raffles learned a lot of his game from Dr Tohme, primarily the art of blackmailing. Raffles was a male prostitute, so he got a lot of information – and he knows a lot of celebrity secrets.
Eric Calloway from the Chicago Defender and Raffles have had a longtime relationship. When in Chicago Raffles can always be found at Earl’s house. Raffs is literally in bed with the press.
It was Raffles who sold the story to the tabloids, telling of Oprah and Gayle King’s secret love affair. I overheard him on the phone doing the deal. What kills me is that, I know Oprah and Gayle know it was Raffles who sold them out, but why are they still protecting him?
Raffles van Exel is currently shacking up with Dr. Tohme Tohme, he’s staying at Dr. Tohme’s house – across from the Bel Air Hotel. Last week Wednesday, Raffles and Dr. Tohme were both seen leaving Dr Tohme’s house in Michael Jackson’s Bentley.
Joe Jackson is looking for that Bentley, the Jackosn Estate is in a legal battle right now with Dr. Tohme.
Raffles is now riding around Los Angeles in a protective truck, I’ll send you a picture of the vehicle.”
Are Raffles van Exel and Dr. Tohme gay partners in crime, blackmailing Hollywood celebrities? I don’t know, but next time I see Jermaine Jackson I’ll ask him.
The BIGGEST question left unanswered is still, Why are some celebrities and media outlets still protecting Raffles who is a known liar, cheat, thief, enabler and fraud?
(http://diaryofahollywoodstreetking.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/raffles-getaway-car.jpg)
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Diary of a Hollywood Street King on Facebook
Jacky Jasper on Twitter
Jennifer de Jong is HSK’s exclusive Dutch correspondent. Hollywood Street King is the ONLY American media outlet currently publishing the background details of Raffles van Exel, in his home country of the Netherlands.
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:penguin: :penguin: Well, well well....finally the end of this saga...Is TT a bad guy or good guy??
So glad to read this blog....finally something makes more sense.
I know that it is all hearsay, and someones opinion...but this is what we have been investigating for nearly three years about....
This information is the icing on the cake for me...sealed the deal.
:abouttime: :abouttime: :abouttime: God bless to all
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My problem with the dude of this blog is that always says that Raffles Van Exel " was seen " with Tohme and never the public evidence, a photo.
I do not think that Michael had drug problems.
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It doesn't make sense to me.
If Thome Thome is a bad guy and he blackmailed Michael into appointing him his manager in return to not telling the world of his propofol addiction - this means Michael really was a drug addict?????
Dr. Shaeffer said, you CANNOT get addicted to Propofol. Ergo, this is fallacy on some levels! I've yet to see ANY of this to be of anything further than GOSSIP at this point, concerning Raffles.My problem with the dude of this blog is that always says that Raffles Van Exel " was seen " with Tohme and never the public evidence, a photo.
I do not think that Michael had drug problems.
That's my issue, too! Michael didn't have a drug problem, that's obvious. Where are the photos? And even then, show me ones that aren't Photo-chopping heads over other bodies!?
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It became a surprise for me that Van Exel was 'a close friend and confidant' of MJ.
Yeah, sure. Look at this coyote, he is Bashir #2. Was MJ so naive not to see that? Don't think so.
The most weird that he appeared around MJ right before the trial, in 2003.
http://ww1.prweb.com/prfiles/2011/11/08/8956984/rafflesmichaeljackson.jpg
Gotta dig deeper in that.
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I don't like this Jacky Jasper guy. Also ? collaboration on this article with Twiggy @ MJHOAXLIVE
I think she follows the strangest leads or whatever. They have documents showing the Jackson Estate taking Tohme to court, but I think most of the other stuff is crap. :icon_rolleyes:
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Whitney Houston and Michael Jackson con man Raffles van Exel NOT in the clear, has affair with TMZ owner
Posted: 2012/04/02
http://divinevarod.com/2012/04/02/whitney-houston-and-michael-jackson-con-man-raffles-van-exel-not-in-the-clear-has-affair-with-tmz-owner/
As suspected: Raffles van Exel might not be in the clear at all. In fact, he might be sinking in deeper trouble every day.
It has now been found out that our not so favourite “Lying Dutchman” has been selling his exclusives about “palls” Michael Jackson and Whitney Houston to TMZ since 2005.
Says Jacky Jasper: “Raffles was not an anonymous source for Harvey Levin. Some insiders have even suggested there may have been a sexual relationship between Harvey and Raffles.”
He was a major dealer. Mailing his packages with FedEx via Amsterdam and Chicago to LA.
The USA police says that the investigations to Exel have not stopped and will continue for the foreseeable future. One officer says: “I don’t know if he’s a suspect or a witness.”
If Raffles knows what good for him better stay in hiding, as a witness has come forward to Beverly Hills lawyer Ronald Richards, claiming he knows a lot about Raffles past and present working habits and there is evidence he was dealer for Rihanna and Christina Milan. There are also suggestions he was a supplier to Christina Aguilera as well.
It is interesting how Raffles went into hiding soon after Whitney Houston’s funeral. Before that he was stuck to Whitney’s family like glue and shared in their mourning, he even rode in the family limo to the services!!
The moment the dust had settled and the family had time to think Raffles took off. The same happened after Michael Jackson’s funeral. After this Joe Jackson said he didn’t trust Raffles, Dr. Thome R. Thome or Frank DiLeo. Joe was even heard saying outright that Exel was a fraud. Raffles had disappeared by then, and was soon seen interviewing … Frank DiLeo, who died soon after.
Sadly he, for some reason, was able to shake off the revenge of Joe Jackson, and remained the confidante of Whitney. Meanwhile, for a while, Raffles popped up at everything to do with Michael Jackson, still trading on the name of “family friend”. He even appeared on CNN and often made claims that Michael was not dead, just in hiding.
Meanwhile, we still have unanswered questions, and Whitney’s death remains in question. A celebrity who was a speaker Whitney’s funeral, said that her (Whitney’s) drug dealer of 20 years was around that entire week in LA with her. And when Chaka Khan did THAT interview with Piers Morgan she said someone should have been there to keep the “Riff Raff” out of the picture. Raffles conned his way into Chaka’s camp at least for a short while. Raffles was claiming to be Chaka’s manager and that’s how he got Whitney to sing on stage with Chaka at Prince concert. Completely false. Chaka said herself she saw Whitney hanging around on stage that night waiting by the stair entrance on stage. She said she felt Whitney wanted to just sing and she approached the stairs where Whitney was and allowed her onstage and they sang briefly. Chaka’s manager has been her sister Tammy McCrary for the last several years and she denied that Raffles is involved with them.
Raffles has disappeared since February 19 and only resurfaced briefly on Feb the 21st to tell people on his Facebook he’d be back soon.
Rumour has it he is hiding in Peru to escape the USA law.
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Raffles van Exel knew no shame: lied to Michael Jackson and created a scam in the name of the 9/11 victims duping Jermaine Jackson
http://divinevarod.com/2012/04/03/raffles-van-exel-knew-no-shame-lied-to-michael-jackson-and-created-a-scam-in-the-name-of-the-911-victims-duping-jermaine-jackson/
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Van Exel ---> Harvey Levin, David Geffen, David Gest, Mark Shaffel.... Hm, interesting...
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When I see Tohme, I see a rat. I don’t know what to think of this article in total, but I believe there is some credibility to it. Tohme is a thug and I never understood why Jermaine got him involved in Michael’s affairs in the first place. Regarding the black mail, that’s a little questionable to me because like most of us, I don’t believe Michael had an addiction to propofol. People don’t get addicted to it, they just like the effects of it. As I’ve said on many occasions, Michael apparently didn’t have the need for propofol until he was touring. He was not touring prior to June 25th so this propofol usage to the extreme seems way out of character. If he was getting that much of it, I have to think it was being done against his will. I still say read the AEG contract and all those attachments, whats on the lines and all that junk in between them. It blows my mind.
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Gossip on Raffles has exactly been that! GOSSIP! The FULL autopsy report has been released now, coke spoon & mirror + coke had been found in bathroom, hello! http://www.tmz.com/ (http://www.tmz.com/)
Tohme is something else entirely.
There WAS NO CONTRACT with AEG; it was only an agreement, waiting to be signed by Michael. Take a better look at the paperwork! I sure did, and an agreement is what you toss back & forth, until you get what you want, then is finalized by lawyers, then it becomes a LEGAL DOCUMENT.
I never saw a legal document!
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He even appeared on CNN and often made claims that Michael was not dead, just in hiding.
Seriously? :icon_lol: I think raffy was just some idiot that got in the middle of the thug business. ...I'm sure there's so much more hide-ous material behind this hoax.
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It doesn't make sense to me.
If Thome Thome is a bad guy and he blackmailed Michael into appointing him his manager in return to not telling the world of his propofol addiction - this means Michael really was a drug addict?????
GINA you think a drug addict you can schedule a hoax as this where the most minimum details having been studied, you think a person in a state of periodic or chronic intoxication caused by the repeated consumption of a drug may do all of this? :icon_e_wink:
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Great point Paula-c :)
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Just saw a link posting the suit of Estate v Tohme Tohme , interestingly is has a Hollywood Street King.com stamp/logo all over it........??? So who is wagging the dog???
Here is the link anyway.......
http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/87862052
Will need to read later, but soon!
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Just saw a link posting the suit of Estate v Tohme Tohme , interestingly is has a Hollywood Street King.com stamp/logo all over it........??? So who is wagging the dog???
Here is the link anyway.......
http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/87862052
Will need to read later, but soon!
...I'd call all those agreements financial rape on the Mafioso Level! :( Brings back bad, bad memories of what happened to me in '95 - '97, in similar situation with my investments, OMG! Except I was left so broke, I couldn't even sue the b@$%*#!! I lost literally millions...perhaps more. :P
Losing everything you have, can do horrible things to your mind.
Michael - I really, really understand, and I'm so very, very sorry! :bearhug:
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I no longer think. If this demand is real, it is still used middle name Joseph.
TT is a gangster shit. This whole issue is really very rare documents in the trial write Micheal, Joseph, in the last will that accredits Branca, are poorly written nonbres children, Michael's signature is not that we all know, the FBI and Jermaine confirmed middle name is Joe.
What is real and what is fiction? anyone can help me? :confused:
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It doesn't make sense to me.
If Thome Thome is a bad guy and he blackmailed Michael into appointing him his manager in return to not telling the world of his propofol addiction - this means Michael really was a drug addict?????
GINA you think a drug addict you can schedule a hoax as this where the most minimum details having been studied, you think a person in a state of periodic or chronic intoxication caused by the repeated consumption of a drug may do all of this? :icon_e_wink:
This is not what I meant.
If TT = bad -->> MJ was forced to accept him as manager by blackmail --> MJ was a drug addict.
But we think MJ wasn't a drug addict --> TT is not a bad guy.
:fresse:
Michael please come back :bowdown: :bowdown:
I love you Michael!
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Gossip on Raffles has exactly been that! GOSSIP! The FULL autopsy report has been released now, coke spoon & mirror + coke had been found in bathroom, hello! http://www.tmz.com/ (http://www.tmz.com/)
Tohme is something else entirely.
There WAS NO CONTRACT with AEG; it was only an agreement, waiting to be signed by Michael. Take a better look at the paperwork! I sure did, and an agreement is what you toss back & forth, until you get what you want, then is finalized by lawyers, then it becomes a LEGAL DOCUMENT.
I never saw a legal document!
I never saw a legal document
Neither did I
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It doesn't make sense to me.
If Thome Thome is a bad guy and he blackmailed Michael into appointing him his manager in return to not telling the world of his propofol addiction - this means Michael really was a drug addict?????
GINA you think a drug addict you can schedule a hoax as this where the most minimum details having been studied, you think a person in a state of periodic or chronic intoxication caused by the repeated consumption of a drug may do all of this? :icon_e_wink:
This is not what I meant.
If TT = bad -->> MJ was forced to accept him as manager by blackmail --> MJ was a drug addict.
But we think MJ wasn't a drug addict --> TT is not a bad guy.
:fresse:
Michael please come back :bowdown: :bowdown:
I love you Michael!
Your thought process there makes a lot of sense Gina.
Who knows, it could all be drama for the hoax script.
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Also explain how Tohme handed over as an alleged gift, Michael's entire ART collection to his mentor!? It's valued at about $900 million dollars :omg: That's part of this nightmare!!! It's sitting in a hanger, in Santa Monica Airport.
Remember, I've mentioned that airport before? Well the dude Tohme just gave it to, was attempting to sell it for $87.7 million dollars!
HOW DEEP is this bloody rabbit hole, you ask? A billion bucks, easy!!
This dude Tohme as a manager was ONLY entitled to 15%, that's it - for his time in service. Not beyond. No bonuses, nothing. This power of attorney stuff just makes me ill.
Here's the article on the battle over the art trove: http://www.artinfo.com/news/story/38048/the-10-craziest-things-about-the-900-million-michael-jackson-art-feud/ (http://www.artinfo.com/news/story/38048/the-10-craziest-things-about-the-900-million-michael-jackson-art-feud/)
Just so ill, because of what happened to me with conmen like Tohme to me...physically ill. These types of DEVILS will threaten to kill your family, your friends, anyone you care about whatsoever!! You will wish you were dead, or sacrifice yourself, so no one gets hurt. I did the latter, until I could escape - and I had to hide for years, afraid they'd go after those I loved. Then I just felt like a drained shell... :P
THAT is why I never contacted anyone, because how do you explain these conmen? All I wanted was to make enough money to have my own stupid comic book company - I didn't expect to make millions+ , then have it all stolen from me. I'd have been better off not meeting any of these types of people at all.
I have great empathy for Michael, for I can see exactly what happened. Just wish he'd never met the same type of people I did. :'(
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Also explain how Tohme handed over as an alleged gift, Michael's entire ART collection to his mentor!? It's valued at about $900 million dollars :omg: That's part of this nightmare!!! It's sitting in a hanger, in Santa Monica Airport.
Remember, I've mentioned that airport before? Well the dude Tohme just gave it to, was attempting to sell it for $87.7 million dollars!
HOW DEEP is this bloody rabbit hole, you ask? A billion bucks, easy!!
This dude Tohme as a manager was ONLY entitled to 15%, that's it - for his time in service. Not beyond. No bonuses, nothing. This power of attorney stuff just makes me ill.
Here's the article on the battle over the art trove: http://www.artinfo.com/news/story/38048/the-10-craziest-things-about-the-900-million-michael-jackson-art-feud/ (http://www.artinfo.com/news/story/38048/the-10-craziest-things-about-the-900-million-michael-jackson-art-feud/)
Just so ill, because of what happened to me with conmen like Tohme to me...physically ill. These types of DEVILS will threaten to kill your family, your friends, anyone you care about whatsoever!! You will wish you were dead, or sacrifice yourself, so no one gets hurt. I did the latter, until I could escape - and I had to hide for years, afraid they'd go after those I loved. Then I just felt like a drained shell... :P
THAT is why I never contacted anyone, because how do you explain these conmen? All I wanted was to make enough money to have my own stupid comic book company - I didn't expect to make millions+ , then have it all stolen from me. I'd have been better off not meeting any of these types of people at all.
I have great empathy for Michael, for I can see exactly what happened. Just wish he'd never met the same type of people I did. :'(
It reminds me of a topic about the Estate's legal battle to save MJ's art collection and the Estate lawyers were questioning the validity of the letter which TT had sent to Brett http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,19785.msg342168.html#msg342168
Before Michael died in August 2009 his estate was in financial trouble, yet a letter sent to Brett by Dr. Tohme Tohme - Jackson's last business manager and spokesperson - paved the way for the sale, transferring over the collection of artwork free of charge "to keep, sell, copy, exhibit and to use in whatever way you wish".
I'm still questioning, no news about that so far...
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The Bentley Raffles Van Exel was seen driving last Wednesday in Los Angeles, with Dr. Tohme in the passenger seat.”
Thome Thome in Audi TT would be funnier.)
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this Audi TT perhaps? (http://www.instablogsimages.com/images/2008/02/16/audi-tt-1_69.jpg) ;D
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Are you saying there was never a contract or that you never saw one? I saw and have a copy of what was drawn up to eventually become a contract. Only it never got signed. Regardless, what they had put together had Michael signed it, would have ruined him for life and Tohme Tohme was slap dead in the middle. Who ever heard of a contract or an agreement of multi million dollar proportions ever being accepted as legal and binding through a fax machine :icon_eek: Not I. Perhaps I’m missing something. Please enlighten me.
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With Pierce Brosnan and his wife Keely
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-sY7SeRmeVBQ/T2M9WnGUruI/AAAAAAAAO3o/X4Iuyf6iwmc/s640/raffles+whitney10.jpg)
With basketballer Matt Barnes
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wQaNKlw57Eo/T2M9XFbMqJI/AAAAAAAAO3w/jl2W8KgnC44/s640/raffles+whitney2.jpg)
With Will Smith
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-d-ugKuCtUcI/T2M9aEHTYYI/AAAAAAAAO4Y/Ecqhf6C4FJc/s640/raffles+whitney7.jpg)
Lionel Richie
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Ati_ZNEwyic/T2M9apw8F-I/AAAAAAAAO4g/ChKIZcVzUuo/s640/raffles+whitney8.jpg)
Magic Johnson - back in the day
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tZqyUx2NZGs/T2M9bK2u7lI/AAAAAAAAO4o/J4-_nWXnwXY/s640/raffles+whitney9.jpg)
http://www.msjamerica.com/2012/03/photos-introducing-person-who-sold.html
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Simple - agreements are only CIVIL. Contracts are LEGALLY Binding; and when broken, can go to CRIMINAL court.
There are different types of "Power of Attorney." Abusing it is Fraud, etc. Here's a list:
SPECIFIC POWERS:
A Banking Power of Attorney is specific to one bank, one specific branch and for a specific account.
A Specific Power of Attorney allows the “attorney” to complete some specific task, such as to sell a piece of property or to write cheques on your behalf. It ends once the specific task has been completed.
A General Power of Attorney allows the “attorney” to make general decisions about property and finances. It ends on a date specified, or when the person becomes incapable, unless there is an enduring clause.
An Enduring Power of Attorney Clause allows the “attorney” to continue to act even if the person becomes mentally incapable. It ends when the person dies, or the court appoints someone else to manage their affairs.
If you are given this type of power to help a friend or family member...
you are in a position of trust and are expected to act in accordance with the wishes and best interests of that person.
A Power of Attorney is an important document, but it is also a tool that the “attorney” can misuse or abuse. Therefore, it is vital that both parties fully understand the legal issues, and know the consequences of abuse of this power. Access to someone else’s assets can be a powerful motivation to greed. Some types of financial abuse, such as theft or fraud, are criminal offences.
EXAMPLES OF MISUSES ARE:
Removing/selling assets, property, without permission
Using money without permission
Cashing in RRSP’s/RIF’s without permission
Using the person with a disability / senior’s bank card to make cash withdrawals from a bank machine without their consent
Using the person’s pension cheque, without permission, for one’s own needs
That's a direct copy, so it includes the senior citizen part.
Michael would've lost everything, absolutely everything like I did, if he didn't get Dileo and Branco back, and fire Tohme! He would've been a virtual slave, and with that horrible agreement that wasn't in his favor, he'd have gone into financial ruin, with everyone taking what they wanted, without anyone looking AFTER MICHAEL! No Lawyers looked at it while Tohme was involved, it was an agreement completely against Michael! Tohme did NOT have Michael's best interests at heart, ruthless and cutthroat while whispering sweet things. A devil in disguise, literally.
Managers are only supposed to take a flat fee, of 10 - 15%, depending on what they do for you, that's it. Tohme was playing both sides against the middle, and not looking after Michael's best interests. You can't do that, when you're a manager!
Santa Monica Airport is where the Millionaires and Billionaires keep their aircraft...I've been there, and I've seen them holding people's personal things there. :(
When I saw that Tohme simply "handed" the artwork over, you know that isn't the truth! For if it was, the said "mentor" would happily hand it all back, right!? That means that dude's also in cahoots with Tohme, sad to say. Percentages have obviously been promised of the sales. Most millionaires are good, but some love to mess with people for amusement. It's like a sport, except they can use lies and deceit, call it "business." They like to see how big of a fish they can fry, all for their amusement.
But - he's not the bottom of the rabbit hole - the one who's trying to buy the artwork for pennies on the dollar IS!
:icon_pale: Oh, no. I think Latoya sent a coded message, and people took it the wrong way. When combined with a very specific phrase that CM said - it matches the worm who hurt me.. :P
All I have left of my company, is my 4A keyless entry fob. I used to walk from there over to Marilyn Monroe's crypt every few days, and read a book or draw on the bench near her. I always made sure she had a fresh red rose.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia8lg4yJlh4[/youtube]
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Paula-c
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-sY7SeRmeVBQ/T2M9WnGUruI/AAAAAAAAO3o/X4Iuyf6iwmc/s640/raffles+whitney10.jpg)
Notice the shadow under Raffles chin, but none under chins of other man and wife. :icon_eek:
Raffles actually looks weird in all the pics. :icon_e_confused: Can't put my finger on it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia8lg4yJlh4&feature=player_embedded
How can this man get into pics with almost all the people MJ knew? And interviewing many of them?
There is simply a thousand weird/wacky/fakish/coincidental/freakishly related things about this Raffles that defy all logic.
All I can keep thinking is Morph... at the absolute elite level---seems impossible level--never been done before level.
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Paula-c
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-sY7SeRmeVBQ/T2M9WnGUruI/AAAAAAAAO3o/X4Iuyf6iwmc/s640/raffles+whitney10.jpg)
Notice the shadow under Raffles chin, but none under chins of other man and wife. :icon_eek:
Raffles actually looks weird in all the pics. :icon_e_confused: Can't put my finger on it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia8lg4yJlh4&feature=player_embedded
How can this man get into pics with almost all the people MJ knew? And interviewing many of them?
There is simply a thousand weird/wacky/fakish/coincidental/freakishly related things about this Raffles that defy all logic.
All I can keep thinking is Morph... at the absolute elite level---seems impossible level--never been done before level.
i agree. to me this photo is weird for several reasons. brosnan and wife are washed out because of overexposure, whereas he isnt. granted he has darker skin, but even dark skin can looked washed out with overexposure.
and i agree the shadows are off. the way pierces face is lit, on that angle determines that there should be no shadow on raffles based on the angle of his face and the angle that the light source or flash is coming from
also the angle he is on is weird. it looks like he is behind her but also in front. confused? i am. if she is standing in front of raffles, then where is the rest of her arm. however if he is standing in front of her, where is the rest of his body, i ask this as his shoulder looks like it is behind hers.
it sure is odd..
@ tink, thank you for your posts in this thread. i am enjoying reading them... very insightful.... and sorry to hear you got screwed out of millions... i have lost money too. not as much as that around 400K, but yes agree it does leave one bitter...
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Aussie
i agree. to me this photo is weird for several reasons. brosnan and wife are washed out because of overexposure, whereas he isnt. granted he has darker skin, but even dark skin can looked washed out with overexposure.
and i agree the shadows are off. the way pierced face is lit, on that angle determined that there should be no shadow on raffles based on the angle of his face as the light source is coming from that direction.
also the angle he is on is weird. it looks like he is behind her but also in front. confused? i am. if she is standing in front of raffles, then where is the rest of her arm. however if he is staning in front of her, where is the rest of his body, i ask this as his shoulder looks like it is behind hers.
Your good observations made me really laugh! :D And why is the couple so serious, and then Raffles is grinning like a Cheshire Cat? :affraid: Who did it and why --if it is photoshop?
Tink, what are your thoughts on the large selection of pics with Raffles in them?
And I am also very sad about your huge financial loss. I can't even imagine how devastating it is to be dealt such a blow.
:bearhug:
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its all good. it was due to dishonesty and fraud, paperwork and my signatures.... so yeah it hurt... it was 7 years ago now... i have my health, my god, my husband my child. money can be earned again (yes not that kind of money) but enough to live and thats really all i need...
the person who benefited fraudulently is no longer part of my life and although it sometimes seems as he got away with it, i remind myself he still has to answer to God on judgement day...
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Paula-c
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-sY7SeRmeVBQ/T2M9WnGUruI/AAAAAAAAO3o/X4Iuyf6iwmc/s640/raffles+whitney10.jpg)
Notice the shadow under Raffles chin, but none under chins of other man and wife. :icon_eek:
Raffles actually looks weird in all the pics. :icon_e_confused: Can't put my finger on it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia8lg4yJlh4&feature=player_embedded
How can this man get into pics with almost all the people MJ knew? And interviewing many of them?
There is simply a thousand weird/wacky/fakish/coincidental/freakishly related things about this Raffles that defy all logic.
All I can keep thinking is Morph... at the absolute elite level---seems impossible level--never been done before level.
What I mean is that this dude is real is not a character invented by Michael, has a history in the Netherlands and the United States and whether everything that was said about him is true or false time will tell. :icon_e_wink:
You are right that photo is rare, but there are others that are very real
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wQaNKlw57Eo/T2M9XFbMqJI/AAAAAAAAO3w/jl2W8KgnC44/s640/raffles+whitney2.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/--V1qJAFBREE/T2M9Xjgt20I/AAAAAAAAO34/vES-v4N8yxA/s640/raffles+whitney3.jpg)
In the personal, the dude i don't like
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia8lg4yJlh4[/youtube]
Txs for the video, pikachu.
It's just another proof of Michael's professionalism.
He was obviously surprised, allowed RvE to participate in the performance - most likely thinking of a birthday surprise - but showed readily identifiable his dislike (as of 11:13) and "hands off".
He was professional enough to not ruin his own performance as a reaction to this dude's impertinence, but boy, Michael was mad and went into defense.
Watch how RvE coldbloodedly takes the lead in the performance and gives the dear friend despite the distanced reaction he gets. I was holding my breath watching this. Unbelievable.
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that guy is very annoying. There is something fake about him.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia8lg4yJlh4[/youtube]
Txs for the video, pikachu.
It's just another proof of Michael's professionalism.
He was obviously surprised, allowed RvE to participate in the performance - most likely thinking of a birthday surprise - but showed readily identifiable his dislike (as of 11:13) and "hands off".
He was professional enough to not ruin his own performance as a reaction to this dude's impertinence, but boy, Michael was mad and went into defense.
Watch how RvE coldbloodedly takes the lead in the performance and gives the dear friend despite the distanced reaction he gets. I was holding my breath watching this. Unbelievable.
That snivel of Rafles in video is seen so false :icon_rolleyes:
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Paula-c
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-sY7SeRmeVBQ/T2M9WnGUruI/AAAAAAAAO3o/X4Iuyf6iwmc/s640/raffles+whitney10.jpg)
Notice the shadow under Raffles chin, but none under chins of other man and wife. :icon_eek:
Raffles actually looks weird in all the pics. :icon_e_confused: Can't put my finger on it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia8lg4yJlh4&feature=player_embedded
How can this man get into pics with almost all the people MJ knew? And interviewing many of them?
There is simply a thousand weird/wacky/fakish/coincidental/freakishly related things about this Raffles that defy all logic.
All I can keep thinking is Morph... at the absolute elite level---seems impossible level--never been done before level.
I can tell you exactly what's wrong with this photo: it's a MORPHED PHOTOSHOP PHOTO! This person is quite good at Photoshop, btw - because I believe we're going to find the majority of these photos have been dummied, as the following:
You take the original photo of an African-American, or anyone else close in skin type, then you get a photo of yourself, at the appropriate angle. I would then set that on a separate layer in Photoshop, and then start to DROP the Opacity on that layer, until you have a MORPHED version of the two faces, until your face is overwhelming theirs, but still looks realistic. If that isn't good enough, you then take the clone tool, or the healing tool, then gently blend your face over. His left cheek looks odd in the musculature.
Look at the lip facing you, upper lower bottom, in the corner (his lower left); that's a huge, huge mistake! No color at all, oops! So what is it? Raffles face over an African-American? That shadow is airbrushed in, with a drop in Opacity and Flow.
The eyes have been cut out, the ear has been pasted over, and the teeth are over-layed, and the blur tool used on it.
The photos have done their job already...
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TinK!!!!! Good Going Girl!!!! You are amazing! You are a great teacher! I would never have known this picture was photoshopped.....I guess I'll stick to working with food! Love to you and your keen eye! :th_bravo: :th_bravo:
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RVE I think a man who lick the soles, they're lucky, make good contacts, scale level and this is the result. I do not like :suspect:
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TinK!!!!! Good Going Girl!!!! You are amazing! You are a great teacher! I would never have known this picture was photoshopped.....I guess I'll stick to working with food! Love to you and your keen eye! :th_bravo: :th_bravo:
@Sandy - Thank you, Love you, too.
Also - Raffles facial muscles aren't progressing further than the front of his face, just like a "mask"! The side angles, NO FACIAL MUSCLES! That's also why the strange look - the other person's face is smaller, and not smiling much, more like Pierce Brosnan's face.
I think I've used Photoshop too long, lol. I use it to create art mostly, but I am guilty of inserting people into photos - but I've done it for the right reasons though: Family photos, when someone couldn't make, or repair damaged family photos.
I was just toggling between two faces one day for my own amusement, wondering about something - and I got the "Morph Effect" as I've nicknamed, in Michael's honor. ;)
Just went through all of the Pierce Bronson & his wife Keely photos online - that photo doesn't appear to be real at all. 12+ years ago, the happy couple looked like this: (http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2004/04/specials/sma01/pbrosnan/keeley94.jpg)
Notice how nice and long her neck is? Plus, both have tans! They're sun bunnies and environmentalists! That's another clue to why the photo looks odd: Pierce & Keely both look washed out, but Raffles looks warm? Yeah, right. Keely's head looks chopped off, and slapped onto another a lower thicker neck. Night photos should be throwing more shadows under the chin, but not too much. Also, the shadow around Raffles goes from under his sideburn, under his neck, then up around his chin, INTO THE FLOWERS! Yeah - a really, really bad Photo-chop, the more I look at it. You can't have shadows on both sides of the face, yet none on the two TANNED white people, you know. They should all be about the same color.
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And another more ...
Raffles used picture from Michael Jackson ‘s funeral to “proof” he worked for himPosted: 2012/04/04
After our latest exposé on Raffles van Exel, yesterday, we received this reply from one of our readers:
(http://divinevarod.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/charity_2009_best_re.jpg)
(http://divinevarod.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/raff.jpg?w=300&h=225)
A Letter From Raffles claiming he’d worked for Michael for over 8 years.[...] “I Have enclosed a personal photo of myself at the funeral and can guaranty, that these items are 100% authentic.
Signed RVE”
1.) No professional agency would sent a photo taken at a funeral. It’s a no go.
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According to a US Weekly Report Whitney Houston was scheduled to Shoot an Antibullying Campaign on February 11 at the Beverly Hilton. [...]
Contacted by The Advocate, van Exel was too upset to speak about Houston, with her wake occurring Friday evening.
Source
Now, guess who started the Antibullying campaign ? Raffles of course !
YouTube Link
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2.) He was quoted by The Advocate beeing to upset, yet managed to talk to a Dutch TV channel.
Makes no sense.
3.) It totally contradicts the claims made by Pat Houston, Whitney’s sister-in-law and manager, during the recent Oprah Interview on OWN. She confirmed a room had been set up for Whitney to film an Infomercial for the Marion P. Candle Line.
Youtube Interview
Thanks for your story on Raffles.
http://divinevarod.com/2012/04/04/raffles-used-picture-from-michael-jackson-s-funeral-to-proof-he-worked-for-him/
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Raffles van Exel knew no shame: lied to Michael Jackson and created a scam in the name of the 9/11 victims duping Jermaine JacksonPosted: 2012/04/03 in Michael Jackson, Rafles van Exel, Whitney Houston
In the early years of the 21st century Raffles van Exel had landed firmly in the camp of The Jacksons. Having wangled his way up via a relationship with toyboy loving David Geffen and a live in friendship he struck up with David Gest (who had been involved with Michael Jackson as a producer during the promotion of “Invincible”.)
The first Jackson Exel got friendly with was Jermaine and soon he spun his web.
Through Jermaine Exel got in a seat of power and was soon involved with everyone from Jesse Jackson to Minister Louis Farrakhan, leader of African-American movement the Nation of Islam, of which Jermaine was a short term member.
Riding the wave of David Gest he too now claimed he was a “producer”. He was involved with many of the troubled recordings Michael Jackson made – including “What More Can I Give” and the bad move of shipping Michael Jackson to Bahrain that subsequently landed Michael in a lawsuit. Exel and Dr. Tohme Tohme had made the arrangements of the trip supposedly with Jermaine. The reality was that the con man were telling the Jackson brothers a different story then they told Prince Al Khalifa, making quite a bit of profit. As far as Michael and Jermaine were concerned the Prince was helping Michael as a friend. But the Prince believed the money would be repaid once Jackson and his career recovered from the damaging trial and that Michael would be recording his (the Prince’s) songs in a studio he set up for him. We all know the end results. It is thought that the cons had expected Michael to be dead before the truth surfaced. Meanwhile Exel also got Michael involved with Marc Schaffel who turned out to be a maker of gay porn.
This all fits in to what Michael’s sister LaToya said at the time of her brothers death. She blamed a shadowy entourage’ of manipulative hangers-on for effectively ‘murdering’ the King of Pop. She believes her brother was fed addictive drugs by handlers who wanted to control his moods. She says they regarded him as a ‘cash cow’ and exploited him at every turn. It was this, she believes, that led directly to his death.
It could be that Conrad Murray was just a pawn used by Dr. Tohme Tohme and Exel. Especially after what LaToya told CCN before: Hours after Michael’s death the Jackson family received a troubling call from the Jackson mansion. It was Michael’s long-term assistant Michael Amin. He told LaToya that her brother’s Lebanese-born, self-appointed business manager Dr Tohme Tohme had fired all the staff at the Beverly Hills property and at a second rented home in Las Vegas. ‘I want to know how Michael died, and then, at 11pm on the day he dies, all the staff are fired?’ she asked rhetorically. ‘That raised my suspicions.’ … While Michael regularly kept up to £1million in cash inside his home, LaToya says none was found. Nor was any of his vast collection of jewellery”. The house was cleaned. Says LaToya: “Someone went in there and did a good job.” Meanwhile soon after Raffles van Exel was talking to the media, including RTL Boulevard, about how upset he was, how he was helping and comforting the family and was with them when he heard. The same routine happened later with Witney Houston. Recently during a visit to “The View”, LaToya was asked about her brother, Michael Jackson’s murder. LaToya goes into detail about her possibly knowing who the suspect is. Sherry Sheppard then stops Latoya and asks her “Well, if you know who it is, why can’t you say a name?” And just as Latoya was about to say something, Whoopi Goldberg shakes her head and says Uh-Uh. At that point, Latoya then starts laughing and then the clip ends. Strange.
Rewinding back to 2002, it turns out Michael wasn’t the only one who landed into trouble thanks to Exel. Raffles was still posing as a producer back then and had talked Jermaine into creating a memorial concert for the victims, survivors and relatives of 9/11. It was dreamed up: the concert would be attended by George Bush and Bill Clinton, the stage would be build on the Pentagon. The Backstreet Boys and Whitney Houston would perform. Exel felt as if he had struck gold and wanted his old country of Holland to see how big he had become. He got Jermaine to call Dutch stars Conie “Vanessa” Breukhoven and Jody Benal to take part in the concert. The same week Raffles made his first appearance on RTL Boulevard, Jermaine even appeared to verify for him. Jermaine verified Exel to Dutch paper De Telegraaf as well. Soon Holland was mesmerised by the news: Two Dutch stars would sing for the president and the former president. Connie said she had never heard of Raffles before this, but that Raffles said he had been impressed by seeing her perform on the show of gay star Carlo Boszhard. Connie even received phone calls from Jermaine to discuss the concert in detail. It even transpired the Dutch singer would be performing with Michael Jackson himself. Jermaine and Exel had written a song called “Why oh why”. Connie aid at the time: “The big final starts. Fife hundred children rise from the stage pointing with fluorescent hands to Michael Jackson who starts the song giving the microphone to everyone including me.”
It sounded amazing, but it wasn’t too be. Jody was the first one to be dumped: “Too many boys”. Exel claimed. Breukhoven, married to a multimillionaire lingered a little longer. Whispers say this was because Raffles got quite a substantial sum from Connie’s husband to fund the concert.
Breukhoven even got the song she would be involved in. She was asked to fly to America to record her lines. She thought it was silly to fly all the way to the USA to record a few lines and Raffles came to her to record her in a Dutch studio. After that she never heard from him again. she called him several times a day. Then he called back a few days before the concert saying that NBC had decided not to use “Why oh why”, because Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston and the Backstreet Boys had cancelled at the last moment. Whitney was unable to talk or do anything, Michael was to busy after just winning an award. And the Backstreet boys were on the verge of splitting up.
He said the concert would continue without her or the world famous artists.
Meanwhile here is the video for his single “We got it All”
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOx0vNgeHx8&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
http://divinevarod.com/2012/04/03/raffles-van-exel-knew-no-shame-lied-to-michael-jackson-and-created-a-scam-in-the-name-of-the-911-victims-duping-jermaine-jackson/
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My question is, why no one has talked about this dude before the Whitney Houston ?
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I wonder about the "no entrapment" button here.
In fact I don't see any but I might be blind for the moment.
However I think we are watching a true master at work.
As we have seen, no name or occurrence was by accident.
So I looked up the name of this guy.
Raffles -> Raphael
This unusual name has two possible origins, each with its own distinctive history and derivation. Firstly, as an English surname, Raffels is one of the patronymic forms of the name Raffel (the "-s" suffix representing a reduced form of "son of"), which was developed from the Hebrew male given name "Refael", composed of the elements "rafa", to heal, and "el", God. This was the name borne by one of the archangels, and was comparatively popular as a given name among Christians in the Middle Ages, partly due to the part played by the angel in the Apochryphal tale of Tobias.
http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Raffles (http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Raffles)
Raffles (also known as Lord Lister) is a fictional character who first appeared in a German pulp magazine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulp_magazine) entitled "Lord Lister, genannt Raffles, der Meisterdieb" published in 1908.
[...]
Raffles was a Victorian gentleman and a born member of nobility. The first issue of the original German series reveals that the notorious thief John C. Raffles is really Lord Edward Lister. A number of different, somewhat conflicting origin stories exist to explain why a genuine Lord would become a thief, involving having been robbed from his inheritance, poverty in childhood, boredom or overindulgence in charity. With his secret identity exposed Raffles is forced to create and maintain a large number of false ones, of which the main one is Lord William Aberdeen. Depending on the origin story this title could be genuine, the name and identity are false.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raffles_%28Lord_Lister%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raffles_%28Lord_Lister%29)
(http://members.ziggo.nl/dberents/0036.JPG)
http://members.ziggo.nl/dberents/De%20nicht%20van%20Raffles2.htm (http://members.ziggo.nl/dberents/De%20nicht%20van%20Raffles2.htm)
"Lord Lister aka Raffles, the big unknown"
I wonder why the "gay" theme is coming back again.
I wonder why the "thief" theme is popping up again.
If both are important, then could the real gay thief please stand up ?
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( Oh, that video...
Raffles is dancing on the yellow brick road---->clue :) )
So, if the pic is shopped, that would mean that this man needed to fake pics to gain popularity. Poor.
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Raffles, the bad guy, popped in at the right time.
32 (http://bible.cc/luke/23-32.htm)Two other men, both criminals, were also led out with him to be executed. 33 (http://bible.cc/luke/23-33.htm)When they came to the place called the Skull, there they crucified him, along with the criminals—one on his right, the other on his left. 34 (http://bible.cc/luke/23-34.htm)Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.”e (http://niv.scripturetext.com/luke/23-32.htm#footnotese) And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.
35 (http://bible.cc/luke/23-35.htm)The people stood watching, and the rulers even sneered at him. They said, “He saved others; let him save himself if he is the Christ of God, the Chosen One.”
36 (http://bible.cc/luke/23-36.htm)The soldiers also came up and mocked him. They offered him wine vinegar 37 (http://bible.cc/luke/23-37.htm)and said, “If you are the king of the Jews, save yourself.”
38 (http://bible.cc/luke/23-38.htm)There was a written notice above him, which read: this is the king of the jews.
39 (http://bible.cc/luke/23-39.htm)One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Christ? Save yourself and us!”
40 (http://bible.cc/luke/23-40.htm)But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence?
41 (http://bible.cc/luke/23-41.htm)We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”
42 (http://bible.cc/luke/23-42.htm)Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.f (http://niv.scripturetext.com/luke/23-32.htm#footnotesf)”
43 (http://bible.cc/luke/23-43.htm)Jesus answered him, “I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise.”
http://niv.scripturetext.com/luke/23-32.htm (http://niv.scripturetext.com/luke/23-32.htm)
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I wonder about the "no entrapment" button here.
In fact I don't see any but I might be blind for the moment.
However I think we are watching a true master at work.
As we have seen, no name or occurrence was by accident.
So I looked up the name of this guy.
Raffles -> Raphael
This unusual name has two possible origins, each with its own distinctive history and derivation. Firstly, as an English surname, Raffels is one of the patronymic forms of the name Raffel (the "-s" suffix representing a reduced form of "son of"), which was developed from the Hebrew male given name "Refael", composed of the elements "rafa", to heal, and "el", God. This was the name borne by one of the archangels, and was comparatively popular as a given name among Christians in the Middle Ages, partly due to the part played by the angel in the Apochryphal tale of Tobias.
http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Raffles (http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Raffles)
Raffles (also known as Lord Lister) is a fictional character who first appeared in a German pulp magazine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulp_magazine) entitled "Lord Lister, genannt Raffles, der Meisterdieb" published in 1908.
[...]
Raffles was a Victorian gentleman and a born member of nobility. The first issue of the original German series reveals that the notorious thief John C. Raffles is really Lord Edward Lister. A number of different, somewhat conflicting origin stories exist to explain why a genuine Lord would become a thief, involving having been robbed from his inheritance, poverty in childhood, boredom or overindulgence in charity. With his secret identity exposed Raffles is forced to create and maintain a large number of false ones, of which the main one is Lord William Aberdeen. Depending on the origin story this title could be genuine, the name and identity are false.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raffles_%28Lord_Lister%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raffles_%28Lord_Lister%29)
(http://members.ziggo.nl/dberents/0036.JPG)
http://members.ziggo.nl/dberents/De%20nicht%20van%20Raffles2.htm (http://members.ziggo.nl/dberents/De%20nicht%20van%20Raffles2.htm)
"Lord Lister aka Raffles, the big unknown"
I wonder why the "gay" theme is coming back again.
I wonder why the "thief" theme is popping up again.
If both are important, then could the real gay thief please stand up ?
The Raphael thing...for it's been said, angels oft disguise themselves as slight rascals, to throw humans off their trail. For everyone expects an angel to be perfect and pure - never left of center.
So, theoretically - we just might have two + Archangels in our midsts!?
Which would mean the one I've been calling "Snow Angel," would be Gabriel!?
Gabriel means: Strength of God"; "The Divine is my strength"; "God is my strength"
The only Archangel depicted as female in art and literature, Gabriel is known as the "messenger" Angel and is one of the four Archangels named in Hebrew tradition and is considered one of the two highest-ranking Angels in Judeo-Christian and Islamic religious lore. Apart from Michael, she is the only Angel mentioned by name in the Old Testament. She is a powerful and strong Archangel, and those who call upon her will find themselves pushed into action that leads to beneficial results.
Messenger. She's the only female! She was sending messages at the gates of Neverland, I just don't understand them completely! She was hiding under another guise, to throw people off! :o
Is there something, someone calling all the Archangels out?
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Remember this pic from Front?
(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/netherlandsyellowbrickroad.jpg)
Just thinking it might be connected to Raffles, coming from Netherlands we are told. Front indicates that events are happening according to timing and as they should.
I'm not sure if the pic was in this post or the next one. This one included 3 pics, one of fingers walking on yellow pages, one of a 3-eyed martian from Toy Story, and the Yellow road in Netherlands (I think).
on: June 17, 2011, 09:48:34 AM »
Let your fingers do the walkin'……….
Let your eyes do the watchin'……….
Speculate and conspire as you may. Allow me to reiterate…..do not take my words/numbers/dates as conclusive evidence. It's apparent that you don't---and that's a positive. The PROOF will manifest itself upon the proclamation of his return and during this journey together. You'll see. Regardless of "ASS"umptions, I wish you all well…but I will NOT tolerate another attempt at a mentality beating on a board. Had enough of that "Back" then.
or this one? It doesn't show there was pics, but I think it refers to the pic --letter 'N'.
on: June 10, 2011, 11:16:19 AM »
Did anyone see him live on Ustream a few minutes ago? :lol:
Re: yellow brick road…..
Might want to check your local bookstore for a world atlas and HIStorical reference books. Flip to the country index and look under "N".
Where the end of one road starts----> another one begins………….
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Remember this pic from Front?
(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/netherlandsyellowbrickroad.jpg)
Just thinking it might be connected to Raffles, coming from Netherlands we are told. Front indicates that events are happening according to timing and as they should.
I'm not sure if the pic was in this post or the next one. This one included 3 pics, one of fingers walking on yellow pages, one of a 3-eyed martian from Toy Story, and the Yellow road in Netherlands (I think).
on: June 17, 2011, 09:48:34 AM »
Let your fingers do the walkin'……….
Let your eyes do the watchin'……….
Speculate and conspire as you may. Allow me to reiterate…..do not take my words/numbers/dates as conclusive evidence. It's apparent that you don't---and that's a positive. The PROOF will manifest itself upon the proclamation of his return and during this journey together. You'll see. Regardless of "ASS"umptions, I wish you all well…but I will NOT tolerate another attempt at a mentality beating on a board. Had enough of that "Back" then.
or this one? It doesn't show there was pics, but I think it refers to the pic --letter 'N'.
on: June 10, 2011, 11:16:19 AM »
Did anyone see him live on Ustream a few minutes ago? :lol:
Re: yellow brick road…..
Might want to check your local bookstore for a world atlas and HIStorical reference books. Flip to the country index and look under "N".
Where the end of one road starts----> another one begins………….
This is the Yellow Brick Road in The Netherlands:
Tuesday, August 17, 2010
Yellow Brick Road - Netherlands
The city of Schiedam was and remains to this day, the poorest city in the Netherlands and the Yellow Brick Road, that connects the center of the city to the new train station, is not only meant to make the city more beautiful, but also to symbolize the road to prosperity and success.
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(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2OnuVo3kYwo/TGqLAter31I/AAAAAAAAFJY/vpGu5Tip6Wg/s400/Yellow+Brick+Road+-+Netherlands+%283%29.jpg)(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2OnuVo3kYwo/TGqLBlBny5I/AAAAAAAAFJc/02b_Blfqa64/s400/Yellow+Brick+Road+-+Netherlands+%284%29.jpg)(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2OnuVo3kYwo/TGqLDeiaNnI/AAAAAAAAFJk/4u3cieFyjwU/s400/Yellow+Brick)(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2OnuVo3kYwo/TGqLCnjxFYI/AAAAAAAAFJg/JAGRTbXbj-k/s1600/Yellow+Brick+Road+-+Netherlands)
http://villageoffun.blogspot.com/2010/08/yellow-brick-road-netherlands.html
http://www.galeriewest.nl/artists/Florentijn_Hofman/0/2
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Regarding Gabriel, i only read references as the archangel represented as a woman withing some English spoken sites related to angels, not within History of Art. In fact, they (archangel, angel, serafin...) are supposed to be asexual. So their looks are open to interpretation.
Indirectly this talk makes me think of Michael and how he broke walls of prejudice when he decided wearing make up of even the choice of his later clothes which apparently were to be worn by women (can´t find the pic, but i am referring to the black t-shirt with a gold symbol)
Back to Raffles, his biggest crime has been that videoclip and song!!
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LOL, I told youuuuu....Raffles is Front, lmao
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Regarding Gabriel, i only read references as the archangel represented as a woman withing some English spoken sites related to angels, not within History of Art. In fact, they (archangel, angel, serafin...) are supposed to be asexual. So their looks are open to interpretation.
Indirectly this talk makes me think of Michael and how he broke walls of prejudice when he decided wearing make up of even the choice of his later clothes which apparently were to be worn by women (can´t find the pic, but i am referring to the black t-shirt with a gold symbol)
Back to Raffles, his biggest crime has been that videoclip and song!!
I had this argument in bible class, and this is how I explained it to the church elders: Souls are neither male nor female; it's just the shells they occupy. So if an angel occupies a human shell, they'll take on the human's physical attributes, correct? The elders agreed, which surprised everyone - even myself. Guess logic does win.
As for Asexual looks, I'm not sure if that's what Michael was really going for. Remember, his skin was almost translucent - not white! Ergo, he was basically "penciling in" his features, so he'd have expressions that could be seen. Clothes are to be enjoyed, and have fun with! I used to love adding sequins, shinies or anything sparkly to everybody's clothes - if you left it with me, I'd sneak some onto it. :D
Also - many people forget that back in the '70s, Asexual was hot, hot HOT! David Bowie was the epitome of Asexual, with Ziggy Stardust. David created a "Rock God/Messiah" from Outer Space who only had 5 years. Kabuki meets Sci-Fi! In the meantime, he eventually fell to his own ego and devices. You should really read what's on this page, because apparently, Bowie is where Beyonce got the idea for Sasha Fierce! Bowie's the ORIGINAL, everyone else who created an alter ego, is a chip off his block: http://phishthoughts.com/2009/10/14/the-case-for-ziggy-stardust/ (http://phishthoughts.com/2009/10/14/the-case-for-ziggy-stardust/)
He's before my time, but I liked a few of his songs, and I heard his echoes in High School.
But the 5 YEARS part made me read this article carefully!
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This series is about this very topic – watch them in order and you can see where it all might lead. It gets better as they go....
1 Michael Jackson - Did "This is it" lead to a mysterious death? ~Part 1~ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha-WGmzkZYI#)
2 CORRECTION of "Michael Jackson-Did This is it" lead to a mysterious death? ~Part 1~ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki9C1SzRiOM#)
3 Michael Jackson - Did "This is it" lead to a mysterious death?" ~Part 2~ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lvU80N99SM#)
4 Michael Jackson - in addition to - Did "This is it" lead to a mysterious death? ~Part 2~ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN6wPtYst8U#)
5 Michael Jackson - Did "This is it" lead to a mysterious death? ~Part 3~ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTExZD59-NU#)
6 Michael Jackson - in ADDITION to part 3 of "Did 'This is it' lead to a mysterious death?" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuiQ3yGhL7E#)
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just recently ready randomly from the magic and the madness ( think that is the right title) , at some point in it the book refered to michael ( or sometone else in the story that was being relayed) staying at a hotel by the name raffles. just thought i would mention it.
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Tink, I wonder if MJ got ideas from Bowie?
n two separate interviews in the early ’90s, Bowie reflected on his period of mental instability as he battled – and basked in – his alter-ego. Ziggy had literally become an escape from himself and his every-day life; a place to hide from David Bowie.
I enjoyed the character so much and it was so much easier for me to live within that character that, along with the help of some chemical substances at the time, it became easier and easier for me to blur the lines between reality and the blessed creature that I created – my doppelganger. I wasn’t getting rid of him at all – in fact I was joining forces with him (1990).
There was a theory that one creates a doppelganger and then imbues that with all your faults and guilts and fears and then eventually you destroy him, hopefully destroying all your guilt, fear and paranoia. And I often feel that I was doing that unwittingly, creating an alternative ego that would take on everything that I was insecure about. Ziggy served my purpose because I found it easier to function through him, although I probably put myself on a path of pure psychological damage by doing what I did. But it felt like it was going to be easier living through an alternative self. Of course the major problem was that I was blurring the lines between sanity and an insane figure, and finally did break the lines down in the mid-Seventies where I really couldn’t perceive the difference between the stage persona and myself (1993).
http://phishthoughts.com/2009/10/14/the-case-for-ziggy-stardust/ (http://phishthoughts.com/2009/10/14/the-case-for-ziggy-stardust/)
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Tink, I wonder if MJ got ideas from Bowie?
n two separate interviews in the early ’90s, Bowie reflected on his period of mental instability as he battled – and basked in – his alter-ego. Ziggy had literally become an escape from himself and his every-day life; a place to hide from David Bowie.
I enjoyed the character so much and it was so much easier for me to live within that character that, along with the help of some chemical substances at the time, it became easier and easier for me to blur the lines between reality and the blessed creature that I created – my doppelganger. I wasn’t getting rid of him at all – in fact I was joining forces with him (1990).
There was a theory that one creates a doppelganger and then imbues that with all your faults and guilts and fears and then eventually you destroy him, hopefully destroying all your guilt, fear and paranoia. And I often feel that I was doing that unwittingly, creating an alternative ego that would take on everything that I was insecure about. Ziggy served my purpose because I found it easier to function through him, although I probably put myself on a path of pure psychological damage by doing what I did. But it felt like it was going to be easier living through an alternative self. Of course the major problem was that I was blurring the lines between sanity and an insane figure, and finally did break the lines down in the mid-Seventies where I really couldn’t perceive the difference between the stage persona and myself (1993).
http://phishthoughts.com/2009/10/14/the-case-for-ziggy-stardust/ (http://phishthoughts.com/2009/10/14/the-case-for-ziggy-stardust/)
I have no idea. Just felt it could be important.
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Does anyone else remember this video on the website of "Jacksons Vault" regarding MJ's memorabilia...Its on the Never Can Say Goodbye webpage, under 'vault videos' ???
I always found this interesting...Who is Henry Vaccaro and why has he has crates of Michaels personal posessions???
Also, why has Katherine posted this on her own website?? Is she trying to drop us a hint maybe??
http://www.jacksonsecretvault.com/site/mjsv2/vaultvideos&contentId=19 (http://www.jacksonsecretvault.com/site/mjsv2/vaultvideos&contentId=19)
This is the link...If you are not a member yet, you can't actually watch the video...
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Does anyone else remember this video on the website of "Jacksons Vault" regarding MJ's memorabilia...Its on the Never Can Say Goodbye webpage, under 'vault videos' ???
I always found this interesting...Who is Henry Vaccaro and why has he has crates of Michaels personal posessions???
Also, why has Katherine posted this on her own website?? Is she trying to drop us a hint maybe??
http://www.jacksonsecretvault.com/site/mjsv2/vaultvideos&contentId=19 (http://www.jacksonsecretvault.com/site/mjsv2/vaultvideos&contentId=19)
This is the link...If you are not a member yet, you can't actually watch the video...
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=15622 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=15622)
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Vaccaro and Vintagepop crossed my mind:
http://www.thespec.com/feature/article/307454--challenging-the-jackson-estate (http://www.thespec.com/feature/article/307454--challenging-the-jackson-estate)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php/topic,17447.msg298382.html#msg298382 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php/topic,17447.msg298382.html#msg298382)
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Regarding Gabriel, i only read references as the archangel represented as a woman withing some English spoken sites related to angels, not within History of Art. In fact, they (archangel, angel, serafin...) are supposed to be asexual. So their looks are open to interpretation.
Indirectly this talk makes me think of Michael and how he broke walls of prejudice when he decided wearing make up of even the choice of his later clothes which apparently were to be worn by women (can´t find the pic, but i am referring to the black t-shirt with a gold symbol)
Back to Raffles, his biggest crime has been that videoclip and song!!
I had this argument in bible class, and this is how I explained it to the church elders: Souls are neither male nor female; it's just the shells they occupy. So if an angel occupies a human shell, they'll take on the human's physical attributes, correct? The elders agreed, which surprised everyone - even myself. Guess logic does win.
As for Asexual looks, I'm not sure if that's what Michael was really going for. Remember, his skin was almost translucent - not white! Ergo, he was basically "penciling in" his features, so he'd have expressions that could be seen. Clothes are to be enjoyed, and have fun with! I used to love adding sequins, shinies or anything sparkly to everybody's clothes - if you left it with me, I'd sneak some onto it. :D
Also - many people forget that back in the '70s, Asexual was hot, hot HOT! David Bowie was the epitome of Asexual, with Ziggy Stardust. David created a "Rock God/Messiah" from Outer Space who only had 5 years. Kabuki meets Sci-Fi! In the meantime, he eventually fell to his own ego and devices. You should really read what's on this page, because apparently, Bowie is where Beyonce got the idea for Sasha Fierce! Bowie's the ORIGINAL, everyone else who created an alter ego, is a chip off his block: http://phishthoughts.com/2009/10/14/the-case-for-ziggy-stardust/ (http://phishthoughts.com/2009/10/14/the-case-for-ziggy-stardust/)
He's before my time, but I liked a few of his songs, and I heard his echoes in High School.
But the 5 YEARS part made me read this article carefully!
Well, Tink. Logic and mysticism or soul related topics don´t go hand in hand. Angels are represented in art with no sex for many other reasons.
Regarding MJ or Bowie, more than asexual I would say that they went for the "androgynous" look. However, I agree with the created alter ego. It is a MUST for many artists. Look at Alice Cooper!
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This series is about this very topic – watch them in order and you can see where it all might lead. It gets better as they go....
1 Michael Jackson - Did "This is it" lead to a mysterious death? ~Part 1~ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha-WGmzkZYI#)
2 CORRECTION of "Michael Jackson-Did This is it" lead to a mysterious death? ~Part 1~ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki9C1SzRiOM#)
3 Michael Jackson - Did "This is it" lead to a mysterious death?" ~Part 2~ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lvU80N99SM#)
4 Michael Jackson - in addition to - Did "This is it" lead to a mysterious death? ~Part 2~ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN6wPtYst8U#)
5 Michael Jackson - Did "This is it" lead to a mysterious death? ~Part 3~ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTExZD59-NU#)
6 Michael Jackson - in ADDITION to part 3 of "Did 'This is it' lead to a mysterious death?" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuiQ3yGhL7E#)
Very interesting Material. Worth watching it. Thank you!
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@MissG - Because MEN said so?
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This series is about this very topic – watch them in order and you can see where it all might lead. It gets better as they go....
1 Michael Jackson - Did "This is it" lead to a mysterious death? ~Part 1~ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha-WGmzkZYI#)
2 CORRECTION of "Michael Jackson-Did This is it" lead to a mysterious death? ~Part 1~ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki9C1SzRiOM#)
3 Michael Jackson - Did "This is it" lead to a mysterious death?" ~Part 2~ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lvU80N99SM#)
4 Michael Jackson - in addition to - Did "This is it" lead to a mysterious death? ~Part 2~ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN6wPtYst8U#)
5 Michael Jackson - Did "This is it" lead to a mysterious death? ~Part 3~ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTExZD59-NU#)
6 Michael Jackson - in ADDITION to part 3 of "Did 'This is it' lead to a mysterious death?" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuiQ3yGhL7E#)
Very interesting Material. Worth watching it. Thank you!
+ 1 :icon_e_wink:
Thank you JustDucky!
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@MissG - Because MEN said so?
MEN said what I learnt and also what you learnt and believe in. MEN in both cases. So yes, because MEN said so.
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@MissG - Because MEN said so?
MEN said what I learnt and also what you learnt and believe in. MEN in both cases. So yes, because MEN said so.
:bearhug: And now, everything changes. For the books that were removed, have been restored after thousands of years. Women were never to have been left out; greedy, controlling men did that. For Jesus treated both Men & Women as equals, and shared his Grace with both. It's going to be exciting and Peaceful times ahead!
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This is the latest in the video series I posted earlier in this thread – it seems there is much more to Peter Lopez' death than I imagined; it's really quite strange, whether connected to MJ and TII/Tohme or not.
Michael Jackson - Did "This is it" lead to a mysterious death? ~Part 4~ - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=audJLMlmylA&feature=g-u-u&context=G2714cd9FUAAAAAAAAAA)
The pale blonde in the very last photo made me think of this, from Murray's preliminary hearing in 2010 WHOS THE BLONDE LADY - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxxmnyaKFW8)
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Lopez's wife is completely without emotions, even during the 911 call.
Maybe she did it, and ran inside the house, or hired an assasin. She says they were happy, but maybe she was having an affair. But then doesn't the police routinely question spouses in murder?
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According to this, there is a named witness who met Tohme thru' Raffles van Exel, and Raffle's is connected to Peter Lopez' death. There is something really creepy going on here.
Michael Jackson - Did "This is it" lead to a mysterious death? ~Part 5~ - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg4hzm47GTw)
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According to this, there is a named witness who met Tohme thru' Raffles van Exel, and Raffle's is connected to Peter Lopez' death. There is something really creepy going on here.
Michael Jackson - Did "This is it" lead to a mysterious death? ~Part 5~ - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg4hzm47GTw)
I have real issues, with people judging others over fan-made, or media made, videos. It all falls under the same heading: piles o' un-substanciated rumors & preconceived notions. I'm not in the mood to give a speech about how I feel there are more than one anti-christs messing with the world - not just one. That's what happens when you tear the Bible apart, and rewrite it for the gathering of the church's agenda.
But - remember this: many are easier to beat, than one very strong one. :D