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Title: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: hesouttamylife on April 01, 2012, 04:17:49 PM
  :abouttime: Katherine Jackson and Children versus AEG lawsuit to be heard September 10th.  It’ gonna be quite interesting and might turn the tables in my opinion on just what the relationship with Michael Katherine & the family really was.   :judge-smiley:  http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/96284-Katherine-amp-MJ-s-kids-sue-AEG-Trial-date-set-Sept-10-2012/page104?p=3617746&viewfull=1#post3617746 (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/96284-Katherine-amp-MJ-s-kids-sue-AEG-Trial-date-set-Sept-10-2012/page104?p=3617746&viewfull=1#post3617746)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: skyways on April 01, 2012, 05:14:41 PM
Thank u!
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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on April 01, 2012, 05:25:36 PM
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Thank u!
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with LOVE!


Thanks for sharing hesouttamylife.

@skyways: here you go:
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There's a motion to compel hearing set for April 24 in Katherine Jackson - AEG lawsuit.
 
Before trial happens both sides send interrogatories - questions - to the other side to answer and request for documents . AEG is now claiming that Katherine Jackson is not answering their questions and they filed thousands of pages showing all the communications and asking the judge to order Katherine Jackson to answer AEG's questions.
 
Summary
 
- April 2011 AEG sends the questions and document requests to Katherine, Prince, Paris and Blanket.
 - After delays in November 2011 Katherine and the kids sends all objections to all questions asked. They did not answer any questions or provided any documents to AEG.
 - All of the December & January is filled with back and forth communications with Katherine's and AEG's lawyers to find a solution to the requests and not answering. They finally agree on mid-February to answer all the requests with minor modifications.
 - Early February Katherine Jackson sends her initial answers but they are all the same answer copy pasted - which is in most instances just a repeat of the complaint.
- Mid- February deadline comes and AEG still does not receive the additional and all required answers and Katherine's lawyers start to ask for indefinite extensions. AEG at that time says they cannot give indefinite extensions because they need to get the answers and prepare for the trial.
- AEG waits for Mid-March but they get no documents or no additional responses.
 - AEG says they weren't able to take depositions of the Jackson family members. Katherine was supposed to be deposed at March 1st but she didn't show up for deposition. They also haven't given a new date.
 
Therefore AEG is asking the judge to order Katherine Jackson to answer the questions and document requests.

From the documents we can see that the documents AEG is asking for includes
- anything about Michael's health
 - anything about the doctors
- anything about how success or failure of TII would affect Michael financially
 - any documents or communications with Michael's staff - Grace, Karen Faye, Kai Chase and the bodyguards are explicitly named.
 - any documents about financial allowances or gifts Michael gave to Katherine and the rest of the Jacksons.
 - any document about Katherine's finances and assets
 - all social media, internet accounts, blogs, emails used by Michael, Katherine, Michael's kids and all Jacksons.
 - anything about Michael's diet, nutrition or eating disorders
 - anything about Michael's financial information as well as actual or potential bankruptcy
 - any diary, journal, calendar etc kept by Michael.
 - any autopsy reports
 - documents about any mental health issues Michael suffered through his lifetime.
 - any documents or communications about substance abuse, interventions , rehab
- any documents or communications about if Michael had consideration or propensity to commit suicide.

Questions asked to Katherine include
 - Asking Katherine to explain the information she based her claims on
- how Katherine spent time with Michael between 04-09
 - any communications Katherine had with Michael about his health , addiction, substance abuse, interventions and so on.
 - communications with Michael between June 17 and June 24.
 - Katherine's impression about Michael's health
 - Michael's finances
 - any time Katherine saw Michael to take any medicine/ drug and any effects she saw
 - any time Katherine saw Michael impaired or under the effects of drugs, alcohol such as slurred speech, bloodshot eyes
 - explain any time Michael spent in rehab
 - any talks Katherine had with Michael about TII
 - explain items, objects, documents taken from Michael's residences by Jacksons.

Questions sent to Prince, Paris and Blanket include
 - asking them to identify all people that lived or worked in Carolwood from Jan 09 to June 09
 - tell about any instances anyone talking / asking them about Michael's health
 - tell about any instances anyone talking / asking them about Michael's addictions or mental health issues
 - asking them to tell how they spent time with Michael including activities they did and typical conversations they had
 - asking if they talked with Michael about his health and medicines he took
 - asking them about their impression of Michael's physical and mental health
 - all interactions and communications from June 23 to June 25
 - asking about when they first met Murray and asking them to tell when and where they saw Murray over the years.
 - asking about all their interactions , communications with Murray
 - asking if they witnessed Murray to give Michael medical treatment
 - asking if they saw Michael to take any medicine and any effects they witnessed
 - asking if they ever saw Michael impaired
 - asking about any drugs or alcohol present in Carolwood
 - any conversations they had with Michael about TII
 - their impression about Michael's physical and mental health
 - asking about their interactions with Klein
 - asking about any conversations they had about Michael with the Jacksons
 
Note: These requests for information and documents are done to gather information so that the parties can prepare for the trial. Just because a question is asked doesn't mean it happened or that the person has any knowledge about it. 
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/96284-Katherine-amp-MJ-s-kids-sue-AEG-Trial-date-set-Sept-10-2012/page104?p=3617746&viewfull=1#post3617746

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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: voiceforthesilent on April 01, 2012, 06:47:54 PM
Thank you for sharing this information. It's very interesting, for sure. Let's assume that this is real...

It looks like they may be looking for a weakness inf Michael's mental state to get out of being liable. However, he supposedly took several medical exams by Lloyd's of London and passed. One of those test should have been a psychology exam of some sort to determine if his mental ability was there.

It's quite funny to me because some of those questions would be difficult, if not impossible, for Katherine or the kids to answer. Also, I know they should be going through her lawyer but it puzzles me as to who is advising them to ignore the requests. What is the purpose when they are the ones suing AEG, not the other way around?

Also, some of the questions are financial in nature. It seems like they should be petitioning the MJ Estate to answer those questions, not Katherine.

So, to me, we'll see if anything comes of this or if this date has significance (seems like we've had this date before).

Blessings
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on April 01, 2012, 08:01:58 PM
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Thank you for sharing this information. It's very interesting, for sure. Let's assume that this is real...

It looks like they may be looking for a weakness inf Michael's mental state to get out of being liable. However, he supposedly took several medical exams by Lords of London and passed. One of those test should have been a psychology exam of some sort to determine if his mental ability was there.

It's quite funny to me because some of those questions would be difficult, if not impossible, for Katherine or the kids to answer. Also, I know they should be going through her lawyer but it puzzles me as to who is advising them to ignore the requests. What is the purpose when they are the ones suing AEG, not the other way around?

Also, some of the questions are financial in nature. It seems like they should be petitioning the MJ Estate to answer those questions, not Katherine.

So, to me, we'll see if anything comes of this or if this date has significance (seems like we've had this date before).

Blessings





Speak of the " mental health " by Michael, and by that Katherine should answer questions this trial is going to be more interesting than the Murray
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: voiceforthesilent on April 01, 2012, 08:22:29 PM
I agree, Paula. I wonder if we'll be given regular updates if this goes to trial.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Tink on April 02, 2012, 01:42:25 AM
They're called Lloyd's of London, and they've refused to pay out, because of the "Propofol."

AEG is asking typical questions. Yes; the lawyers are the ones to answer them. Any questions deemed appropriate, are ones to be answered - through the lawyers. Some sound silly.

Medical records should be released, as is normal in any lawsuit - that's about all I can think of that would be normal. Quizzing children isn't normal. Taking the statements that are already on record from the adults in the house, that would be normal.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: skyways on April 03, 2012, 12:34:42 AM
Thank u @Everlasting!@


the most saddest things - that we not going to have chance see Michael before that trial and no one know how long when its starts//....
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on April 03, 2012, 03:00:58 AM
Wonder if it will even be a real trial lol...
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: skyways on April 04, 2012, 03:43:33 PM
All that Qs from AEG is also may signify that they finally smell the rat wth MJ "death"  and wanted proof on it .
Disclaimer - only works if they NOT on IT. @@

also that info may linked well wth new discovery about Thome Thome.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Tink on April 04, 2012, 05:22:43 PM
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All that Qs from AEG is also may signify that they finally smell the rat wth MJ "death"  and wanted proof on it .
Disclaimer - only works if they NOT on IT. @@

also that info may linked well wth new discovery about Thome Thome.

I keep thinking about Tohme writing himself into the agreement, the horrid cut & paste job done via fax machine between he & AEG! Just what did he think he was doing!?

There were so many, many final straws that if it were me? I'd have faked my death, too - to shake the vermin out of the attic and basement!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: skyways on April 05, 2012, 12:10:00 AM
Well said Tink!
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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: finfin on May 16, 2012, 05:35:23 AM

US judge delays trial of Jackson show promoters to April 02 2013


US judge delays trial of Jackson show promoters | DAWN.COM (http://dawn.com/2012/05/16/us-judge-delays-trial-of-jackson-show-promoters/)

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The late Michael Jackson’s mother Katherine Jackson (C) arrives at the courthouse in Los Angeles in this November 29, 2011 file photo for the sentencing of Doctor Conrad Murray. A US judge on May 15, 2012 postponed until next year a trial of the promoters of Michael Jackson’s doomed 2009 comeback shows, accused by the star’s mother of sharing the blame for his death. Lawyers for AEG Live won a postponement of the trial, which had been set for September, until next April, after arguing that they need more time to prepare their case. Jackson’s mother Katherine – who claims that AEG Live pushed her son too hard to prepare for a series of 50 shows in London -had asked for the trial to be scheduled on a speeded-up priority list.- AFP Photo




LOS ANGELES: A US judge on Tuesday postponed until next year a trial of the promoters of Michael Jackson’s doomed 2009 comeback shows, accused by the star’s mother of sharing the blame for his death.

Lawyers for AEG Live won a postponement of the trial, which had been set for September, until next April, after arguing that they need more time to prepare their case.

Jackson’s mother Katherine – who claims that AEG Live pushed her son too hard to prepare for a series of 50 shows in London – had asked for the trial to be scheduled on a speeded-up priority list.

Specifically, she alleges they were negligent in letting the star be cared for by doctor Conrad Murray, who was jailed for four years last November over Jackson’s death from an overdose of powerful sedatives.

But AEG Live lawyers filed a request with Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos last week for the trial to be delayed, saying they needed more time due to the complexity of the case.

Their legal submission also claimed that new information shows Jackson had a history of drug abuse long before the singer met Murray, hired to care for him before and during the shows at London’s O2 Arena.

On Tuesday judge Palazuelos found in their favor, putting the trial back from September 10 this year to April 2, 2013.

After the ruling, Jackson family lawyer Kevin Boyle said he could still seek a priority trial date, but suggested that the delay could actually help his clients.

“The way we keep obtaining more information, it might be beneficial,” he said.

Jackson died on June 25, 2009, from an overdose of powerful sedatives including the clinical anesthetic propofol, which Murray administered to help the singer combat chronic insomnia.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MissG on May 16, 2012, 07:22:20 AM
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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on May 16, 2012, 08:04:30 AM
I must admit that my first reaction was a bit cynical perhaps because AEG won a postponement of the trial. Why do they need more time? :icon_rolleyes: :suspect: More preparation time? According to the questionnaire they want to know EVERYTHING (I'm surprised they're not asking for the times MJ used the bathroom or about his color of underwear :icon_rolleyes:)..

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After the ruling, Jackson family lawyer Kevin Boyle said he could still seek a priority trial date, but suggested that the delay could actually help his clients.

“The way we keep obtaining more information, it might be beneficial,” he said.

...yet, I think that this info is good news ;D, because this could mean more time is needed and granted for the investigation which is running during this hoax, which is beneficial for Michael. Time for justice, truth will prevail!

L.O.V.E.   
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: emulik on May 16, 2012, 08:33:04 AM
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I'm surprised they're not asking for the times MJ used the bathroom or about his color of underwear :icon_rolleyes:)..[/color]
lol Everlastinglove, you are right!
But I am little confused about the date, how good it would be if Michael would attend the trial and speaks for him.. :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on May 16, 2012, 09:20:18 AM
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I'm surprised they're not asking for the times MJ used the bathroom or about his color of underwear :icon_rolleyes:)..[/color]
lol Everlastinglove, you are right!
But I am little confused about the date, how good it would be if Michael would attend the trial and speaks for him.. :icon_razz:

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how good it would be if Michael would attend the trial and speaks for him..

  :moonwalk_:   :icon_arrow: :judge-smiley:  :icon_arrow: :michael-jackson: :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on May 16, 2012, 09:38:20 AM
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I'm surprised they're not asking for the times MJ used the bathroom or about his color of underwear :icon_rolleyes:)..[/color]
lol Everlastinglove, you are right!
But I am little confused about the date, how good it would be if Michael would attend the trial and speaks for him.. :icon_razz:

Hmmm, that could be a very good possibility, it would be a wrong  :icon_arrow: to be righted.  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MissG on May 16, 2012, 10:44:39 AM
"Jackson’s mother Katherine – who claims that AEG Live pushed her son too hard to prepare for a series of 50 shows in London"

Makes total sense to me. Michael was complaining that he needed more time to perform a perfect show. He was bored of last minute arrangements. He even mentioned how dangerous it became in some of those tours.

The death of Michael could happen by those premises.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on May 16, 2012, 11:28:16 AM
For this trial to go ahead, almost a year on from now, would mean MJ won't be back by then.  That's not good news.  Where does that leave TS's bam comments?  :icon_pale:

I have to admit my heart sank reading this - at what point am I going to say, 'ok that's it, sorry Mr Jackson, but I have to leave now'?  :'(

Or maybe there's nothing to worry about -  the new date could mean the trial is not planned to happen at all, but talking about it again now, keeps MJ's 'suspicious' death in the news?  Remember how Murray's trial was postponed over and over again, and all we could do was just wait it out?

I don't much like this smilie but I feel the need to use it now:  :over-react-smiley:  ...and this one:  :Pulling_hair: ... and this:  :screaming-7365:

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on May 17, 2012, 01:47:09 AM
I'm surprised more people have not responded to this latest news. Someone help me out here - 2nd April 2013 - what's going on???
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on May 17, 2012, 11:03:18 AM
I don't think this trial will happen, I don't think it's real. I think it's a lot of talk n hearsay contrived in the background for the hoax. I think it provides a good excuse for KJ and the Family to be tight-lipped about certain things they don't want to/can't discuss (example, KJ's CNN interview) while simultaneously providing a reason for MJ news to keep hitting the airwaves. I think it needed to be "delayed" to put it so far off in the future that it comes post-bamsday and will never occur.

Perhaps wishful thinking. I can't put my life on hold for another year.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on May 17, 2012, 11:47:38 AM
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Perhaps wishful thinking. I can't put my life on hold for another year.

That's exactly the way I'm thinking bec.

This has actually really depressed me for some reason.

The alternatives to your 'wishful thinking' scenarios are really horrible to contemplate: MJ doesn't bam this year, we get to Jan 2013, we say ok we can hang on till April, then this trial gets delayed again, and so it can go on and on, another year, two, who knows, added, all the while we further and further lose our grip on reality and sanity.  I would like to say that I have a deadline beyond which I won't be here, but I can't, because I know I won't be able to leave, unless Souza shuts the place down.  :icon_e_sad:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: emulik on May 17, 2012, 11:56:00 AM
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I think it's a lot of talk n hearsay contrived in the background for the hoax. I think it provides a good excuse for KJ and the Family to be tight-lipped about certain things they don't want to/can't discuss (example, KJ's CNN interview) while simultaneously providing a reason for MJ news to keep hitting the airwaves. I think it needed to be "delayed" to put it so far off in the future that it comes post-bamsday and will never occur.

it makes sense, after bamsday it will not be needed.. :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Sarahli on May 17, 2012, 12:05:31 PM
IMO this trial isn't meant to happen. But we will have to wait & see.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on May 17, 2012, 12:05:46 PM
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Perhaps wishful thinking. I can't put my life on hold for another year.

That's exactly the way I'm thinking bec.

This has actually really depressed me for some reason.

The alternatives to your 'wishful thinking' scenarios are really horrible to contemplate: MJ doesn't bam this year, we get to Jan 2013, we say ok we can hang on till April, then this trial gets delayed again, and so it can go on and on, another year, two, who knows, added, all the while we further and further lose our grip on reality and sanity.  I would like to say that I have a deadline beyond which I won't be here, but I can't, because I know I won't be able to leave, unless Souza shuts the place down.  :icon_e_sad:

Yeah but... you can't discount TS and his prophecy. For years TS has proven to have inside info, long before Front came on the scene and this cannot be ignored. TS gave the deadline of 1/1/2013, else we may know he is/was a fake informer. I don't think he's fake. What he's up to currently I haven't a clue but it doesn't un-do all that has been done (and proved) prior.

So hang onto that.

Because this article is just words, not facts, just words.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on May 17, 2012, 12:25:42 PM
Yes but ... TS can always say there's been a change of plan. He doesn't even have to lie - there CAN, ALWAYS, be a change of plan, can't there? 'Fake informer' can just mean that he informed us of something that was fake, i.e. had to be changed. You know what he's like with words.

Sorry, I know you're trying to help me out.   :bearhug:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on May 17, 2012, 01:01:56 PM
Yeah I do. Which is why I don't take a lot of what he says at face value.

But you gotta believe in something in this life. Solid Proof and the Gospel Truth are fleeting and flexible quantities you could live an entire lifetime in fruitless search of.

Sometimes you gotta just throw caution to the wind and go with a gut instinct in lieu of anything else to hold onto. My gut says we are close to the end. I chose to just go with it (today anyway).

I'll worry about tomorrow when it comes.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on May 17, 2012, 03:08:06 PM
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I must admit that my first reaction was a bit cynical perhaps because AEG won a postponement of the trial. Why do they need more time? :icon_rolleyes: :suspect: More preparation time? According to the questionnaire they want to know EVERYTHING (I'm surprised they're not asking for the times MJ used the bathroom or about his color of underwear :icon_rolleyes:)..

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After the ruling, Jackson family lawyer Kevin Boyle said he could still seek a priority trial date, but suggested that the delay could actually help his clients.

“The way we keep obtaining more information, it might be beneficial,” he said.

...yet, I think that this info is good news ;D, because this could mean more time is needed and granted for the investigation which is running during this hoax, which is beneficial for Michael. Time for justice, truth will prevail!

L.O.V.E. 

Is a very interesting news ..especially now that June 25 is approaching.... :icon_rolleyes:

Many things are moving ....after a silent period... :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile :icon_geek:

Michael what you're preparing ?  :moonwalk_: :icon_bounce: :bearhug:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on May 17, 2012, 03:22:56 PM
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I must admit that my first reaction was a bit cynical perhaps because AEG won a postponement of the trial. Why do they need more time? :icon_rolleyes: :suspect: More preparation time? According to the questionnaire they want to know EVERYTHING (I'm surprised they're not asking for the times MJ used the bathroom or about his color of underwear :icon_rolleyes:)..

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After the ruling, Jackson family lawyer Kevin Boyle said he could still seek a priority trial date, but suggested that the delay could actually help his clients.

“The way we keep obtaining more information, it might be beneficial,” he said.

...yet, I think that this info is good news ;D, because this could mean more time is needed and granted for the investigation which is running during this hoax, which is beneficial for Michael. Time for justice, truth will prevail!

L.O.V.E. 

Is a very interesting news ..especially now that June 25 is approaching.... :icon_rolleyes:

Many things are moving ....after a silent period... :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile :icon_geek:

Michael what you're preparing ?  :moonwalk_: :icon_bounce: :bearhug:

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Many things are moving ....after a silent period...
 
Absolutely Blankie, I noticed that too!  :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile

LOVE
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: PureLove on May 17, 2012, 03:39:27 PM
I can't say that I'm a fan of these delays. Hopefully this trial is another fake like Murray's and it never happens. Hope MJ BAMS before April 02 2013.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on June 04, 2012, 04:25:24 PM
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I don't think this trial will happen, I don't think it's real. I think it's a lot of talk n hearsay contrived in the background for the hoax. I think it provides a good excuse for KJ and the Family to be tight-lipped about certain things they don't want to/can't discuss (example, KJ's CNN interview) while simultaneously providing a reason for MJ news to keep hitting the airwaves. I think it needed to be "delayed" to put it so far off in the future that it comes post-bamsday and will never occur.

Perhaps wishful thinking. I can't put my life on hold for another year.

 :beerchug:  Agree Bec !!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MaryK on February 21, 2013, 10:52:43 AM
I found this article re: AEG vs. Katherine Jackson and I thought it made no sense to start a new topic.
So I am posting this here.
New York doctor David Slavit is refusing to answer a subpoena about the clean bill of health he gave Michael Jackson just months before his "death"

Manhattan Dr. David Slavit is facing a court challenge related to a Feb. 2009 examination he did of Michael Jackson; an enterntainment firm being sued by the Jackson family says the doc has ignored a subpoena for records

The firm being sued by the Jackson family, AEG Live, used Slavit's exam to get insurance for Jackson's ill-fated comeback tour

BY BARBARA ROSS / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 20, 2013, 11:17 PM


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In this photograph provided by concert promotion firm AEG Live, Michael Jackson rehearses at the Staples Center in Los Angeles on June 23, 2009, for his comeback tour. He died on June 25. AEG Live, which is facing a wrongful death suit from the Jackson family, has asked a Manhattan judge to demand that Park Avenue Dr. David Slavit comply with a California subpoena for medical records related to Slavit's Feb. 2009 examination of Jackson. AEG used the exam to get insurance for the tour.


A Park Avenue doctor who examined Michael Jackson months before his death is facing a court challenge from an entertainment firm that wants details about the checkup.
Lawyers for AEG Live — the firm that was producing Jackson’s ill-fated comeback tour — have asked a Manhattan Supreme Court judge to order Dr. David Slavit to comply with a subpoena issued in California.
AEG was hit with a wrongful death suit from the Gloved One’s family, who say the promoters should have known he was too sick for the stage.
AEG’s lawyers say Slavit’s February 2009 examination of Jackson is essential to their defense because it enabled the firm to get insurance for the concert series, which was supposed to start in London in July 2009. Jackson died of an overdose in June 2009.

AEG’s lawyers contend they have been trying for a year to get Slavit to sit for a deposition and share medical records from the exam. They say he canceled the first time they set a date for a deposition, court papers say, and that Slavit and his father, Leonard Slavit, a negligence attorney, have since put up a series of obstacles to establishing a new date.
“Despite repeated and tireless efforts to resolve the matter without court intervention, AEG has no choice” but to ask the courts to order Slavit to cooperate, the AEG lawyers argued in court papers.
Neither Slavit nor his father could be reached for comment.
Jackson’s personal doctor, Conrad Murray, who provided the medication on which he overdosed, was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in 2011. He is currently serving a four-year prison sentence.


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/manhattan-doc-king-pop-related-suit-article-1.1269490?localLinksEnabled=false (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/manhattan-doc-king-pop-related-suit-article-1.1269490?localLinksEnabled=false)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on February 22, 2013, 03:18:57 AM
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“Dr. David H. Slavit, an ear-nose-and-throat specialist, based in New York City, administered Michael Jackson’s physical in February of this year, which the pop star reportedly passed. The physical report allowed Lloyd’s of London to issue the insurance policy on the pop star, under the name of “Mark Jones,” according to the Los Angeles Times, to AEG Live in relation to his London concert dates.”
http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.ca/2010/08/michael-jacksons-dr-slavit-and-aeg.html

So it's under a fake name, and why a ear-nose-throat specialist? When MJ's supposed problems were insomnia, drugs, weakness, etc.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on February 22, 2013, 08:10:56 AM
kind of off topic:  the other day my hubby was showing me an article ( and having a bit of a laugh) at these celebrity have insured their legs , noses and of course boobs.

this left me wondering why in the world michael would not have had something like this being he obviously had some things ( his dancing and vocal abilities) that some of these don't really have.

it just made me wonder, sorry for the distraction.  :-[
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
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“Dr. David H. Slavit, an ear-nose-and-throat specialist, based in New York City, administered Michael Jackson’s physical in February of this year, which the pop star reportedly passed. The physical report allowed Lloyd’s of London to issue the insurance policy on the pop star, under the name of “Mark Jones,” according to the Los Angeles Times, to AEG Live in relation to his London concert dates.”
http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.ca/2010/08/michael-jacksons-dr-slavit-and-aeg.html

So it's under a fake name, and why a ear-nose-throat specialist? When MJ's supposed problems were insomnia, drugs, weakness, etc.

He can’t produce records on Michael Jackson because he has none.  Didn’t AEG ask for this previously and never received it?  There is no way a policy can be issued in an assumed name and be legitimate. 
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: hesouttamylife on February 22, 2013, 11:52:32 AM
Why would an ear, nose and throat specialist be hired to do a complete physical examination required to underwrite millions of dollars of performance insurance, and then use an assumed name.  Heaven forbid anything should go wrong and the insurance be required to pay out. Nobody would be paid unless of course they could prove that Michael Jackson was the Mark Jones named on the certificate… which of course would be an admission of fraud. Robertson Taylor (AEG’s attorneys) had the same concerns or so they claim.  But if they had issues with the expertise of the doctor chosen to do the physical, why did they not insist on another doctor before going forward? It doesn’t make sense to me. 
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on February 22, 2013, 04:27:50 PM
You bring up a lot of good points, hes.  It may be that they are just covering up a lie with another lie.........

Nothing about Michael's "death" has made sense so far, why should we expect anything to make sense now?????
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on February 22, 2013, 09:37:15 PM
wouldn't the insurance company have certain doctors that they worked with perhaps exclusively for this ?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on February 24, 2013, 07:51:05 PM
It all depends on who the specific insurance company is.  Some may have provisions included in their policy for the insured person to use a specific doctor only.
Others may not.  But it is not common practice to use an ear, nose and throat specialist to do a complete physical on an insured as hes already mentioned in her post.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on February 25, 2013, 06:55:22 AM
i can see ear nose and throat specialist being involved , but under the strenuous physical circumstances there would need to be more.  interesting points about tii though we have instances of talking about using the earbuds and we have him talking about conserving his voice. and of course there is always constant focus on that nose from everyone.  :icon_lol:

and we are talking about lords of lundon here i don't think you insure your average joe  :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on February 25, 2013, 06:20:09 PM
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FILE - In this April 27, 2011 file photo, Katherine Jackson poses for a portrait in Calabasas, Calif. A Los Angeles judge indicated Monday, Feb. 25, 2013, that she is inclined to allow a lawsuit by Katherine Jackson against concert giant AEG Live to go to trial on a single claim. (AP Photo/Matt Sayles, File)

LOS ANGELES (AP) - A jury should decide whether the promoter of Michael Jackson's final concerts negligently hired and supervised the physician convicted of causing the singer's death, a judge tentatively ruled Monday.

If the ruling stands, it will allow the case by Jackson's mother, Katherine, to go forward and present the theory that concert giant AEG Live controlled the physician who gave the superstar a lethal dose of the anesthetic propofol.

Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos' tentative ruling however eliminates some of Katherine Jackson's claims and an attorney for AEG predicted the company would win at trial.

It is unclear when the ruling will be finalized, or whether the judge will change it. She heard two hours of arguments about the case on Monday but didn't indicate whether her mind had been changed.

AEG attorney Marvin Putnam said he was pleased with the ruling and reiterated his belief that the case should have never been filed.

The case centers on whether AEG did an appropriate investigation of Conrad Murray, a former cardiologist who is serving his sentence after being convicted of the involuntary manslaughter of the pop singer. The case also involves whether AEG controlled him while Jackson prepared for a series of comeback concerts.

Katherine Jackson's attorney, Kevin Boyle, declined comment after the hearing, saying he wanted to see the final order.

He told Palazuelos that AEG created a division of loyalties for Murray between his care of Jackson and maintaining an arrangement that would have paid him $150,000 a month to care for the singer.

Jackson died before Murray's contract was signed, and AEG argues he was not an employee of the company.

"AEG just made this more risky for Michael," Boyle argued Monday.

He said the case was unique and it should proceed intact with claims that AEG is liable for Murray's actions. "This has never happened before, or at least no one's been caught," Boyle said.

Putnam argued that by the time it was negotiating Murray's contract to treat Jackson while performing a series of London concerts, the doctor had already been treating the singer for some time, had relocated from Las Vegas to Los Angeles and had ordered large amounts of propofol to help Jackson sleep.

"Sadly, it appears that Michael Jackson's death would have occurred anyway," Putnam said after the hearing.

Katherine Jackson sued in September 2010 and a trial has been scheduled for early April.

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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on February 25, 2013, 07:23:43 PM
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"Sadly, it appears that Michael Jackson's death would have occurred anyway," Putnam said after the hearing.



catches my attention that comment, He should have explained better


Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on February 25, 2013, 08:45:44 PM
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"Sadly, it appears that Michael Jackson's death would have occurred anyway," Putnam said after the hearing.



catches my attention that comment, He should have explained better


That caught my attention as well, a rather presumptuous statement that left the article hanging...


On another note, I wonder if "Exhibit B gonna rock that trial" as Front predicted.  This trial, on the surface, is about AEG being negligent about Murray but I imagine a lot more will be revealed. 

What I'm wondering is - if it comes out that AEG hoped to essentially de-fraud Michael by taking everything he had (Exhibit B of Michael's contract/letter of intent with AEG) if MJ failed to perform all the shows - will AEG be held responsible for that? Because that's not what the trial is about, it's supposedly about Murray. Is this a way to "protect" AEG from being liable for their part in trying to steal from Michael?  But the damage will still be done because it will come out, everyone will know what they tried to do.  I'm not sure how that works though, if a unrelated revelation is made during a trial that's about something else, can AEG be re-tried?  Or is there a law that protects a defendant somehow?  And is what they did in the contract technically illegal or not? I really don't know.  And what if someone(s) else is implicated in the trial?  Ah, maybe I'm getting ahead of myself here.  I just don't know if AEG is going into this trial blind and oblivious to the hoax or not.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on February 25, 2013, 10:55:17 PM
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FILE - In this April 27, 2011 file photo, Katherine Jackson poses for a portrait in Calabasas, Calif. A Los Angeles judge indicated Monday, Feb. 25, 2013, that she is inclined to allow a lawsuit by Katherine Jackson against concert giant AEG Live to go to trial on a single claim. (AP Photo/Matt Sayles, File)

LOS ANGELES (AP) - A jury should decide whether the promoter of Michael Jackson's final concerts negligently hired and supervised the physician convicted of causing the singer's death, a judge tentatively ruled Monday.

If the ruling stands, it will allow the case by Jackson's mother, Katherine, to go forward and present the theory that concert giant AEG Live controlled the physician who gave the superstar a lethal dose of the anesthetic propofol.

Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos' tentative ruling however eliminates some of Katherine Jackson's claims and an attorney for AEG predicted the company would win at trial.

It is unclear when the ruling will be finalized, or whether the judge will change it. She heard two hours of arguments about the case on Monday but didn't indicate whether her mind had been changed.

AEG attorney Marvin Putnam said he was pleased with the ruling and reiterated his belief that the case should have never been filed.

The case centers on whether AEG did an appropriate investigation of Conrad Murray
, a former cardiologist who is serving his sentence after being convicted of the involuntary manslaughter of the pop singer. The case also involves whether AEG controlled him while Jackson prepared for a series of comeback concerts.

Katherine Jackson's attorney, Kevin Boyle, declined comment after the hearing, saying he wanted to see the final order.

He told Palazuelos that AEG created a division of loyalties for Murray between his care of Jackson and maintaining an arrangement that would have paid him $150,000 a month to care for the singer.

Jackson died before Murray's contract was signed, and AEG argues he was not an employee of the company.

"AEG just made this more risky for Michael," Boyle argued Monday.

He said the case was unique and it should proceed intact with claims that AEG is liable for Murray's actions. "This has never happened before, or at least no one's been caught," Boyle said.

Putnam argued that by the time it was negotiating Murray's contract to treat Jackson while performing a series of London concerts, the doctor had already been treating the singer for some time, had relocated from Las Vegas to Los Angeles and had ordered large amounts of propofol to help Jackson sleep.

"Sadly, it appears that Michael Jackson's death would have occurred anyway," Putnam said after the hearing.

Katherine Jackson sued in September 2010 and a trial has been scheduled for early April.

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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on February 26, 2013, 12:17:50 AM
Where oh where is TS when we need him... :icon_cry: :bowdown: :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on February 26, 2013, 04:37:43 PM
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Where oh where is TS when we need him... :icon_cry: :bowdown: :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile

Too sweet !!  :bearhug:  :icon_lol: L.O.V.E. you all !!!  :moonwalk_:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on February 26, 2013, 06:49:01 PM
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Michael Jackson’s mom suing concert promoters

By City News Service, on February 25, 2013, at 1:37 pm


By BILL HETHERMAN


judge today issued a tentative ruling that Michael Jackson’s mother can move forward with her lawsuit contending that the promoters of Michael Jackson’s never-realized London concerts negligently hired Dr. Conrad Murray as the singer’s personal physician.

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos said she also is leaning toward tossing aside all other claims that could hold AEG Live liable for Jackson’s death.
 
Defense attorneys had moved for dismissal of the entire complaint, saying that two years of litigation failed to show the company or its executives did anything wrong.
 
Palazuelos took the issues under submission and did not say when she would issue a final ruling.
 
The entertainer was set to perform a string of 50 shows dubbed “This Is It,” but he died on June 25, 2009, at age 50, of acute propofol intoxication at his rented home in Holmby Hills while rehearsing for the concert series.

Katherine Jackson sued in September 2010 on behalf of her son’s three children, Michael Jr., Paris-Michael Katherine and Prince Michael, claiming that the company picked Murray to be pop star’s personal physician.
 
Murray was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in Jackson’s 2009 death and was sentenced in November 2011 to four years in the Los Angeles County men’s jail.
 
AEG Live attorney Marvin Putnam maintained his clients never hired Murray and that he, in fact, had been one of many doctors who had treated the singer in the past.
 
He said after the hearing that he was pleased with the work Palazuelos did in preparing her tentative ruling and that he was hopeful she would conclude that the negligent hiring claim also should be dismissed.
 
Plaintiffs’ attorney Kevin Boyle declined to comment after the hearing.
 
He said during arguments that AEG Live, in allegedly hiring Murray, gave little consideration to red flags showing that the doctor was in debt and was not a board-certified cardiologist.
 
Putnam said most doctors are not board-certified and that the fact that he was in debt was irrelevant.
 
Putnam also said Jackson had a drug problem for years before he entered into any agreements to perform on behalf of AEG Live.

Palazuelos also said in her tentative ruling that she is leaning toward dismissing Timothy Leiweke, AEG Inc.’s president and chief executive officer, and that company as defendants.
 
Defense attorneys maintain AEG Inc. and AEG Live are two separate entities.
 
Boyle maintains that the two companies’ interests are intertwined.
 
Leiweke stated that he had preliminary talks with Jackson and his manager in the fall of 2008 about a potential tour deal.
 
He said he did not talk with the singer about any medical treatment and that he never had any conversations with any of the entertainer’s physicians.
 
“I never met or communicated with Dr. Conrad Murray,” Leiweke stated. “To my knowledge, no other AEG Inc. employee or agent every met or communicated with Dr. Murray either. Given that I never communicated with Dr. Murray in any way, I certainly had no role whatsoever hiring, training or supervising Dr. Murray.”
 
The tentative ruling would keep Paul Gongaware, Co-Chief Executive Officer of Concerts West (a division of AEG Live) and AEG Live President and Chief Executive Officer Brandon Phillips in the case, which is scheduled for trial April 2.
 
Gongaware stated in his sworn declaration that he never told Jackson or any of his doctors what medications the singer should take.
 
“At no point did I ever require Jackson to take propofol,” Gongaware states. “I had no idea Jackson was taking propofol until after I learned how Jackson died in press reports. I had no suspicious whatsoever that Dr. Murray was giving Jackson propofol.”

http://www.swrnn.com/2013/02/25/michael-jacksons-mom-suing-concert-promoters/
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on February 26, 2013, 08:26:51 PM
Yes, but the evidence from CM's docu, shows that Randy Phillips and Kenny Ortega HEAVILY pressured MJ and CM to make sure MJ got to rehearsals. And evidence (Exhibit B) shows that they may in fact have wanted/expected MJ to fail, and that the contract is HEAVILY advantageous to AEG getting the Catalogue and everything MJ owns, if he failed to deliver.  So it's not so much who hired CM or what drug he gave to MJ.  If MJ failed to keep up with the schedule or died, both scenarios promised them MJ's wealth by default.  The statements numerous witnesses gave that TT said he was going to destroy MJ should already be enough for intent to harm MJ, and rob him of everything he owned.  Why are they not bringing any of this forward--it's ridiculous! :icon_mad:

But MJ is alive, and in control. :errrr: :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on February 26, 2013, 09:18:21 PM
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Yes, but the evidence from CM's docu, shows that Randy Phillips and Kenny Ortega HEAVILY pressured MJ and CM to make sure MJ got to rehearsals. And evidence (Exhibit B) shows that they may in fact have wanted/expected MJ to fail, and that the contract is HEAVILY advantageous to AEG getting the Catalogue and everything MJ owns, if he failed to deliver.  So it's not so much who hired CM or what drug he gave to MJ.  If MJ failed to keep up with the schedule or died, both scenarios promised them MJ's wealth by default.  The statements numerous witnesses gave that TT said he was going to destroy MJ should already be enough for intent to harm MJ, and rob him of everything he owned.  Why are they not bringing any of this forward--it's ridiculous! :icon_mad:

But MJ is alive, and in control. :errrr: :icon_mrgreen:


I don't think AEG wanted MJ to die because they only stood to profit, HUGELY, if MJ couldn't perform all 50 shows, which is of course what they were hoping for and fully expecting.  AEG wouldn't have a say over anything of Michael's in the event of death.  I still haven't figured out where Tohme comes in but it may take a shady character to fool other shady characters if you know what I mean.  Of course there are other branches of the music industry who have profited heavily, namely Sony, since Michael's "death" but they still couldn't get their hands on the catalog.  But Sony is something else altogether.  I think this Murray/meds negligence with AEG is a cover to get AEG in the court room so that everything can be picked apart for the world to see and hopefully, finally understand what MJ and other artists have had to put up with for so long.  I can imagine (ideally) Katherine's lawyer making someone from AEG explain specifically what Exhibit B really means, in normal everyday language.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on February 26, 2013, 09:36:26 PM
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Yes, but the evidence from CM's docu, shows that Randy Phillips and Kenny Ortega HEAVILY pressured MJ and CM to make sure MJ got to rehearsals. And evidence (Exhibit B) shows that they may in fact have wanted/expected MJ to fail, and that the contract is HEAVILY advantageous to AEG getting the Catalogue and everything MJ owns, if he failed to deliver.  So it's not so much who hired CM or what drug he gave to MJ.  If MJ failed to keep up with the schedule or died, both scenarios promised them MJ's wealth by default.  The statements numerous witnesses gave that TT said he was going to destroy MJ should already be enough for intent to harm MJ, and rob him of everything he owned.  Why are they not bringing any of this forward--it's ridiculous! :icon_mad:

But MJ is alive, and in control. :errrr: :icon_mrgreen:


I don't think AEG wanted MJ to die because they only stood to profit, HUGELY, if MJ couldn't perform all 50 shows, which is of course what they were hoping for and fully expecting.  AEG wouldn't have a say over anything of Michael's in the event of death.  I still haven't figured out where Tohme comes in but it may take a shady character to fool other shady characters if you know what I mean.  Of course there are other branches of the music industry who have profited heavily, namely Sony, since Michael's "death" but they still couldn't get their hands on the catalog.  But Sony is something else altogether.  I think this Murray/meds negligence with AEG is a cover to get AEG in the court room so that everything can be picked apart for the world to see and hopefully, finally understand what MJ and other artists have had to put up with for so long.  I can imagine (ideally) Katherine's lawyer making someone from AEG explain specifically what Exhibit B really means, in normal everyday language.


And I agree that MJ is in control and at least one step ahead.  They thought they were setting MJ up to fall but really it's going to be the other way around.  Not to mention whatever else he has up his sleeve...   8)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on February 27, 2013, 08:25:59 AM
but the leaked e-mails didn't they show more concern from kenny and such that  michael was seeing klien and that is where problems were coming from? anybody remember or know how to find them?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on February 27, 2013, 12:23:14 PM
Sorry if I'm late with this, but I wanted to refer to this sentence from the article suspicious mind posted yesterday:

He said the case was unique and it should proceed intact with claims that AEG is liable for Murray's actions. "This has never happened before, or at least no one's been caught," Boyle said.

This sentence says a lot about the lengths "they" (including AEG) will go to to make sure they don't get caught!!!  May be the tides are changing? But if anyone can do it, besides God, it is Michael...  "They" are very well connected, very powerful, and cover each other's backs, hence the reason why they don't get caught....It will be very difficult, but again we will have to wait and keep watching.....

Suspicious mind, yes I believe you're right about those emails, I remember reading them too, but I, like you don't know where to find them. Those emails show concern on Kenny's part, but then going back to Murray's documentary, according to Murray, what Randy Phillips said about Michael and his children are proof that Randy was far from concerned about Michael's health.......and this was shown on national TV......
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on February 27, 2013, 05:36:40 PM


AEG Reply to Katherine Jackson's opposition to Summary Judgment.

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http://www.scribd.com/doc/127473596/AEG-Reply
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on February 27, 2013, 06:35:26 PM
It seems that AEG defends himself by saying that Michael was a addicted to drugs.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: hesouttamylife on February 28, 2013, 08:57:09 AM
Some parts of this hoax really gets under my skin, especially when it concerns these high profile, apparently above-the-law hunchos like Anschultz & Randy Phillips  :Pulling_hair: who think they can get away with any and everything just because they are who they are.  I can hardly bare to hear Phillips talking about Michael so smugly. It causes my pressure to spike. 
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on March 02, 2013, 02:13:08 AM
This was posted by lolop on Hoaxbook, I thought it should be here too:

http://music.yahoo.com/news/suit-over-hiring-jackson-doctor-trial-005004564.html

LOS ANGELES (AP) — A judge has dismissed all but one count in a civil lawsuit by Michael Jackson's mother against concert
giant AEG Live, which hired a doctor who was convicted of involuntary
manslaughter in the singer's death.Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos' ruling Thursday means that Katherine Jackson will have a trial on her claim that AEG negligently
hired and supervised former cardiologist Conrad Murray. The ruling
dismisses claims that AEG could be held liable for Murray's conduct and
breached its duty to properly care for the pop superstar.AEG Live was promoting a series of comeback concerts by Michael Jackson in London titled "This Is It." Jackson died in June 2009 while
in final preparations for the shows after Murray administered a lethal
dose of the anesthetic propofol in the singer's bedroom.Katherine Jackson's attorney Kevin Boyle was not immediately available for comment but argued at a hearing Monday that AEG controlled
 Murray's actions and failed to properly investigate him before agreeing
 to pay him to work as the singer's physician.He cited Murray's debt problems as a red flag that AEG should have spotted and contends the company created a serious conflict between his
responsibility to Jackson and his own financial well-being.Jackson died at age 50 before a contract that would have paid Murray $150,000 a month was finalized.AEG attorney Marvin Putnam has said Murray was not employed by the promoter and he expects the company to win at trial. He said Katherine
Jackson's lawyers will be unable to prove that AEG should have foreseen
that Murray was a danger to the "Thriller" singer.A trial is scheduled to begin April 2.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on March 02, 2013, 02:42:50 AM
Ah, but does AEG's lawyer Putnam know what bag of 'tricks' that Katherine's lawyer (and MJ) have up their sleeves.
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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on March 07, 2013, 05:56:32 PM
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Michael Jackson wrongful-death suit headed for trial
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The National Law JournalMarch 4, 2013
 


A judge in Los Angeles has cleared the way for Michael Jackson's mother and three children to go to trial on claims that the concert promoter for his planned This Is It tour was negligent in hiring and supervising Dr. Conrad Murray, the physician convicted of involuntary manslaughter in the singer's 2009 death.

Los Angeles County, Calif., Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos ruled on February 27 that AEG Live LLC and its senior executives failed to prove on summary judgment that they had not hired Murray or that they had no reason to believe he would be an unfit physician. Murray was convicted in 2011 of administering a lethal dose of the anesthetic propofol to Jackson and is serving four years in prison.

"There is a triable issue of fact as to whether it was foreseeable that such a physician under strong financial pressure may compromise his Hippocratic Oath and do what was known by AEG Live's executives to be an unfortunate practice in the entertainment industry for financial gain," Palazuelos wrote in her order, which became public on March 1.

"Triable issues of fact exist as to whether it could have been foreseeable that Dr. Murray would engage in the exact behavior alleged here: Dr. Murray's provision of drugs which led to Decedent's death," she said.

Palazuelos, however, threw out additional claims for breach of contract based on a "special relationship" between AEG and Jackson created when both signed the This Is It tour contract. Jackson was hardly in AEG's thrall, she said, citing the promoter's reference to Jackson as "the greatest and most beloved entertainer in the world."

"The court does not necessarily disagree," she wrote. "So, given Decedent's status and experience, exerting strong financial pressure is insufficient alone to create undue risk of harm."

She also agreed with AEG that Murray was not an employee and, as such, could not ensure that Jackson would show up for rehearsals. "Assuming that is true, there is no evidence that Defendants exercised or could exercise any control over how (manner or means) that task was to be accomplished."

A trial on the negligence claim is scheduled for April 2.

"We actually have the cleanest, simplest cause of action for us to prove, which is simply that they were negligent in hiring and retaining, keeping on board, the man who's in prison for killing Michael Jackson," said Kevin Boyle of Panish, Shea & Boyle in Los Angeles, who represents Jackson's heirs.

"I am pleased the Court dismissed AEG and Leiweke outright, and dismissed all but one of the remaining claims against the remaining defendants," said Marvin Putnam, a partner at O'Melveny & Myers in Los Angeles who represents the AEG defendants. "Michael Jackson’s death was a tragedy, but as Friday’s ruling and commonsense make clear, AEG was in no position to save Michael Jackson from his longtime battle with addiction."
 
Jackson died on June 25, 2009, days before he was scheduled to start the This Is It tour in London. He was 50 years old.

Jackson's heirs originally accused AEG Live of negligence and breach of contract in hiring Murray. They asserted that AEG Live valued profits over the singer's health, forcing him to show up to rehearsals despite knowing he was ill in the days leading to his death.

In addition to AEG Live, the suit names its parent corporation, Anschutz Entertainment Group Inc., and its president and chief executive officer, Timothy Leiweke; AEG Live president and chief executive officer Brandon "Randy" Phillips; and AEG Live co-CEO Paul Gongaware.

In her order, Palazuelos found that the AEG defendants had hired Murray as an independent contractor despite the absence of a signed contract. The AEG defendants had argued that a draft contract between Murray and AEG was never executed before Jackson's death.

The judge referred to an oral or implied contract, payments to the doctor in the tour's budget and discussions about Murray's compensation—about $150,000 per month—just before Jackson's death.

"Prior to the anticipated signing of the written contract, the evidence is sufficient to establish that Defendants and Dr. Murray communicated regarding the current medical treatment and care of Decedent," she wrote. The fact that Murray was never paid, or that Jackson retained his services beforehand, does not clear AEG of all liability, she added.

She also disputed that AEG had no forewarning about Murray's actions.

"Plaintiffs presented evidence that Defendants did not conduct a sufficient background check of Dr. Murray, which would have established that Murray was deeply in debt," she wrote. AEG executives knew that Dr. Murray had closed his practice in Las Vegas and had no practice in Los Angeles; furthermore, Gongaware, in particular, was familiar with the fact that Jackson's prior doctors had given him large amounts of drugs, she wrote.

"Basically, the court concluded that the plaintiffs presented evidence that AEG could have known the problems with this doctor," Boyle said. "He was financially dependent, and deeply financially in debt, and basically that they had him close all his practices, so this was his only source of income."

In denying the breach of contract claim, Palazuelos concluded that Jackson's heirs had failed to establish that financial pressure established a special relationship between AEG and Jackson. "Extending the special relationship doctrine to financial control would greatly expand the narrow and limited class of special relationships," she wrote. And AEG lacked total control over Jackson's medical care, especially since Jackson saw doctors other than Murray.

"The facts may establish that Defendants gave some input to medical care, but there is no evidence that they undertook Decedent's medical care in its entirety," she wrote.

In a separate order, Palazuelos granted summary judgment to Leiweke and Anschutz Entertainment Group, concluding that neither had a special relationship with Jackson or had hired Murray.

In another order, Palazuelos ruled that several documents provisionally filed under seal under a protective order, including emails among AEG executives, should be made public. She did not unseal documents related to depositions of medical professions discussing Jackson's health or his medical records.

http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticl...20130205061428
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on March 07, 2013, 07:09:30 PM
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/128731-Katherine-Jackson-vs-AEG-Live-Full-Case-History-Summary
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on March 07, 2013, 11:46:13 PM
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http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/128731-Katherine-Jackson-vs-AEG-Live-Full-Case-History-Summary
Could MJ really have cancelled his contract with AEG, without losing all his assets (Catalogue)? As in Exhibit B.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on March 08, 2013, 01:22:31 AM
@Paula, many thanks for that link - it's going to fill in some blanks for me.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: hesouttamylife on March 08, 2013, 08:44:02 AM
Someone mentioned that Kenny showed concern for Michael… of course he did.  I believe they all can shift shape where and when it is to their benefits to do so.  Shrewd and calculating and above the law, or so they think.  I hope that everyone who did Michael wrong is about to get their just deserves.  :icon_evil:    :ghsdf:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on March 08, 2013, 10:48:47 AM
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Someone mentioned that Kenny showed concern for Michael… of course he did.  I believe they all can shift shape where and when it is to their benefits to do so.  Shrewd and calculating and above the law, or so they think.  I hope that everyone who did Michael wrong is about to get their just deserves.  :icon_evil:    :ghsdf:[/color]

yeah and i was just trying to put together how the story went. :smiley_abuv: seems like it was that it went that when he didn't go to klien he came back and had those two good rehearsal days , i think .  i am still having trouble with klien "rebuilding his face " part when we realize that it actually didn't change that much. as for your last statement , i hope we get to see at least  just a little of here on earth  and not have to wait till judgement day. :michael-jackson:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on March 08, 2013, 07:15:43 PM
This is just an expert witness list. Expert witnesses are people with certain skills and education and knowledge and they are hired / paid to testify in regard to their area of expertise. This list doesn't include the other regular witnesses.

Based on a recent filing it seems AEG and Katherine Jackson is having disagreements about when to depose possible experts for Katherine Jackson's side.

I decided to post a list of the names of the experts for Katherine Jackson's side.
 
Please keep in mind that it doesn't mean all of these experts will be called to testify.

-------------------------------------------------------------
 
23 Retained experts - Katherine's lawyers are saying 4 of these will not be called as witness.(which 4 is unclear)
 
Cardiologist

Alon Steinberg, MD
 
Cardiologist. Testified at Murray criminal trial.

Daniel Wohlgelernter, MD
 
Interventional Cardiology, Clinical & Preventive Cardiology
 
Anesthesiologist
 
Barry N. Swerdlow, MD
 
Anesthesia and Pain Medicine, Thousand Oaks, CA. 30 yrs exp
 
Medical School: Harvard Medical School
 
Emery Neal Brown , MD
 
Dr. Emery Neal Brown is a professor of anesthesiology at Harvard Medical School, a professor of computational neuroscience at M.I.T. and a practicing physician, seeing patients at Massachusetts General Hospital.

Hendrikus J.M. Lemmens, PhD
 
Professor of Anesthesia at Stanford University Medical Center
 

Addiction

Sidney Schnoll, MD
 
Sidney H. Schnoll, M.D., Ph.D. is an internationally recognized expert in addiction and pain management who applies his experience of over 30 years in academic medicine to the issues of risk management
 
Myer B. Shimelman. MD
 
Psychiatrist in Connecticut 46 yrs experience
 
Tour expert
 
Richard Barnet, PhD
 
Richard D. Barnet, professor of recording industry and former chair at Middle Tennessee State University, near Nashville, is co-author of This Business of Concert Promotion and Touring (Billboard Books, 2007).
 
David Berman
 

Mark Goldstein
 
Mark Goldstein until August 2004 was senior vice president, Business and Legal Affairs at Warner Bros Records Inc., when he retired to continue his full-time teaching at USC together with his work as a consultant in the entertainment industry.
 
Hiring practices / HR expert
 
Barry J. Nadell
 
Expert Witness / Consultant where background screening is an issue. Also a private investigator
 
Jean L. Seawright, CMC
 
management consultant since 1987, provided professional HR consultation services and advice to business owners
 
Forensic document expert
 
Lloyd W. Cunningham
 
Document examiner, handwriting expert.
 
Albert H Lyter III
 
Engaged in consultation, examination, training, research and testimony in Forensic Science, including ink and paper analysis, trace evidence and questioned document examination.

Howard C. Rile Jr.

Howard Rile has qualified and testified as an expert witness in document examination in more than 500 cases involving criminal and civil matters in federal and/or state courts in California, Arizona, Colorado, Nevada, Hawaii, Kansas, New York, and Wyoming.
 
Corporate Governance
 
David Lewin, PhD
 
David Lewin, Ph. D., is the Neil H. Jacoby Professor of Management, Human Resources and Organizational Behavior at the UCLA Anderson School of Management. A specialist in human resource management and industrial relations.
 
Joseph K. Tanimura, PhD
 
Joseph K. Tanimura, Ph.D., J.D., has consulted on matters involving antitrust liability and damages, commercial damages, corporate valuation, securities markets, intellectual property, and public policy. He was formerly an assistant professor of finance at San Diego State University and a managing economist for LECG, LLC. His litigation consulting experience spans a number of industries, including agriculture, automobile parts, consumer electronics, private equity, and real estate.
 

Expertise Unspecified

Gordon Matheson, MD
 
Sports injuries; rehabilitation; stress fractures; overuse injuries; exercise and health; human performance; pre-participation evaluation.
 
Charles A. Czeisler, MD
 
Harvard Medical School. He's an expert in sleep medicine.

Daniel J. Wallace, MD
 
Wallace is a rheumatologist. Rheumatologist acts as an expert witness in all aspects of autoimmune disease, arthritis, rheumatic diseases. Lupus expert.

Arthur Erk , CPA
 
Erk's field is royalty and royalty administration. Among the areas Erk specializes in are tour accounting for touring groups, and royalty audits and administration for music publishers, writers, producers, actors, and record and film companies
 
Peter Formuzis, PhD
 
Formuzis is a professor of economics at Cal State Fullerton. He has provided expert testimony in court litigation, specializing in projecting future earnings.

Frederic Askin, MD
 
Dr. Frederic Askin is a pathologist at Johns Hopkins Hospital. Lupus expert
 

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 Additional names on the non retained experts list.

Lepor
 
Levounis
 
Roesler
 
Briggs
 
Earley
 
Lacovino
 
Dicke
 
Sang
 
Ackerman
 
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tidbit
 
According the the schedule plans AEG is at least trying to have the experts in the following areas
 
sports medicine, forensic pathologist, forensic document expert, tour expert, film expert.



http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/128739-Possible-Expert-Witnesses-for-Katherine-Jackson
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on March 09, 2013, 03:22:02 AM
Wow, the people on those lists sound like they would get technical and boring, and none of them probably even know Michael.
Perhaps Katherine should go with someone like Karen Faye Kissinger, since she was right with MJ in the weeks prior to his 'death', and is very against AEG, Kenny, and others. She sent emails to people in TII a week or so before, with concern for MJ's health. I guess Randy Phillips got her message eventually, and after MJ's 'death', was sending her emails telling her to stop talking about MJ's poor health etc. because of the confidentiality agreements she had signed.
http://muzikfactorytwo.blogspot.ca/2011/09/karen-faye-facebook-comments-about.html
http://muzikfactorytwo.blogspot.ca/2011/08/karen-faye-facebook-comments-about.html
Interesting she says MJ weighed only 110 lbs. just before his 'death', but the autopsy said he weighed 136. She says other reports are lies. Hmm... But since she helped dress 'him' in the coffin, perhaps she was dressing a dummy or the emaciated DWD patient that TS talked of.  No way could she not be in on the hoax IMO.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on March 09, 2013, 08:18:19 AM
Quote
According the the schedule plans AEG is at least trying to have the experts in the following areas
 
sports medicine, forensic pathologist, forensic document expert, tour expert, film expert.


Forensic document expert? I wonder which document AEG thinks is fraudulent.


Also interesting there is also some on Katherine's list, one specializing in handwriting.

Quote
Forensic document expert
 
Lloyd W. Cunningham
 
Document examiner, handwriting expert.

Albert H Lyter III
 
Engaged in consultation, examination, training, research and testimony in Forensic Science, including ink and paper analysis, trace evidence and questioned document examination. 

Howard C. Rile Jr. 

Howard Rile has qualified and testified as an expert witness in document examination in more than 500 cases involving criminal and civil matters in federal and/or state courts in California, Arizona, Colorado, Nevada, Hawaii, Kansas, New York, and Wyoming.


There are also a couple "Corporate Governance" experts.  This is going to be a very interesting trial, to say the least!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on March 09, 2013, 04:57:53 PM
And , for me, the greatest thing is that Mike wants keep talking about his  ;D " death "  ;D.....between the lines.....


  THE BEST IS YET TO COME !!!!     :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce: :michael-jackson: :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on March 10, 2013, 01:41:48 AM
All I can say is, it's The Greatest Show (story-telling) on Earth!   

 :th_bravo: Michael!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on March 10, 2013, 04:16:37 PM
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All I can say is, it's The Greatest Show (story-telling) on Earth!   

 :th_bravo: Michael!



    CORRECT !!!!       :beerchug: :bearhug: :woohoo2:


Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on March 11, 2013, 04:21:19 AM
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And , for me, the greatest thing is that Mike wants keep talking about his  ;D " death "  ;D.....between the lines.....


  THE BEST IS YET TO COME !!!!     :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce: :michael-jackson: :icon_mrgreen:

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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: hesouttamylife on March 11, 2013, 08:57:05 AM
It  might be beneficial to check the credentials of those “expert” witnesses  :smiley-vault-misc-150:  http://www.propublica.org/article/no-forensic-background-no-problem (http://www.propublica.org/article/no-forensic-background-no-problem)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on March 12, 2013, 02:18:46 AM
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It  might be beneficial to check the credentials of those “expert” witnesses  :smiley-vault-misc-150:  http://www.propublica.org/article/no-forensic-background-no-problem (http://www.propublica.org/article/no-forensic-background-no-problem)
Crazy! Maybe that's where Dr. Tohme Tohme got his credentials too.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on March 12, 2013, 07:05:45 PM
Read this to understand what claims are left in Katherine Jackson - AEG trial. From Judge's final order about AEG Live, AEG Live Productions, Gongaware, Phillips

Summary first, documents below
 
Claim 1 Breach of Contract
 
a. Special Relationship
 
Karherine argue AEG and MJ had a special relationship because AEG controlled all aspects of MJ's life including medical care, advisers, finances and financial future. However Katherine was not able to cite anything to back this up.
 
Also Katherine was unable to show that AEG had complete control over Michael's medical care as Katherine herself admitted that Michael saw other doctors even one week before his death.
 
So the court rules there's no special relationship between AEG and Michael.
 
b. Negligent undertaking
 
Katherine claims AEG had two undertakings : undertake Michael's medical care and provide an assistant to Murray.
 
For the first one judge says Katherine could not provide any case law or prove it. And as Michael was seeing other doctors, judge rule that AEG did not undertake Michael's medical care.

Judge rejects the undertaking for medical assistant as Katherine could not show it was asked for Los Angeles, Katie Jorrie testified the assistant was for London and the contract said Murray would choose the assistant - not AEG.

c. Simple Negligence

Katherine claims that AEG created a risk of harm to Michael.

Judge says financial interactions do not create a duty. Judge also states given Michael's status (greatest entertainer with experience) exerting strong financial pressures is alone insufficient to create an undue risk of harm.

Therefore Judge DISMISSES Claim 1 Breach of Contract
 
Claim 2 - Negligent Hiring, Supervision and Training
 
AEG argues they did not hire Murray and could not foresee the risks Murray posed.

Judge states there are triable issues.
 
Judge states that even though the contract was not signed, a jury must decide if Murray and AEG had a oral or implied in fact contract. Communications, Murray's expenses being budgeted and so on is listed as evidence. Judge makes a note that Michael retaining services of Murray before AEG hired him could be a factor in determining proportional damages and liability.

AEG had argued that Murray was a licensed doctor and was not disciplined and Katherine argued they should have done a more detailed background check. Judge thinks this is a triable issue given that Gongaware had experience and knowledge about "tour doctors" and Michael's previous tours and "tour doctors".

Judge also thinks whether Murray's debt could have been a reason to foresee if such doctor under strong financial pressure may compromise his oath. This is another triable issue.
 
Therefore this claim will GO TO trial.

Claim 3 - Fraud (DISMISSED April 2011 during demurrer)
 
Dismissed during first demurrer due to no evidence
 
civil conspiracy claims also dismissed due to no evidence.
 
Claim 4 - Negligent infliction of emotional distress (DISMISSED April 2011 during demurrer)
 
Dismissed during first demurrer due to no evidence
 
Claim 5 Respondeat Superior
 
Judge states that AEG's evidence established that Murray was an independent contractor and not an employee and AEG had no control over "means and manner" of Murray's work. Judge cites case law that doctors are considered independent contractors.

Katherine claims that AEG hired Murray in part to ensure that Michael attended rehearsals. Judge says even this claim might be true, there's no evidence that AEG had any control over how Murray did that.
 
Judge also mentions secondary factors that AEG Live had nothing to do with medical care, medical work performed by a specialist without supervision, medicines were provided by Murray and the contract and the parties clearly understood that the agreement was for an independent contractor.

Therefore judge states there's no triable issue whether Murray was an employee and determines that Murray was an independent contractor.
 
As Katherine fails to show any evidence that AEG had any control over how (manner or means) Murray did his job, judge dismisses the respondeat superior claim.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/128772581/AEG-Live-Final-Order-2-27-2013http://tl.gd/l9lrfv · Reply



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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on March 12, 2013, 07:52:14 PM


Thanks paula.  Once again, I wonder if the triable claim for the trial is an "out" for AEG - so they are no longer answerable for the dismissed claims.

Can dismissed claims still be brought up in the trial, as they may have to do with the triable claim?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on March 12, 2013, 08:34:56 PM
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Thanks paula.  :icon_mrgreen: Once again, I wonder if the triable claim for the trial is an "out" for AEG - so they are no longer answerable for the dismissed claims.

Can dismissed claims still be brought up in the trial, as they may have to do with the triable claim?
:confused:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on March 12, 2013, 08:57:59 PM
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Thanks paula.  :icon_mrgreen: Once again, I wonder if the triable claim for the trial is an "out" for AEG - so they are no longer answerable for the dismissed claims.

Can dismissed claims still be brought up in the trial, as they may have to do with the triable claim?
:confused:


I guess what I'm wondering, about the "out" for AEG, is if AEG (or certain people within) are aware of the hoax, if they are "willingly" participating in the trial or if they will be defiant and come out fighting.

I'm curious if there would be a "double jeopardy" scenario after conviction or acquittal, if the dismissed claims were brought up in the trial.  Although they are not the same offenses...Katherine mentions in the "breach of contract" part (which was dismissed) - AEG controlled all aspects of MJ's life including medical care, advisers, finances and financial future. However Katherine was not able to cite anything to back this up - so if AEG is found guilty or not guilty of negligence with Murray...I suppose they could still be charged and tried for conspiracy to commit fraud, or something.  Also, notice how it didn't say there was no evidence, but instead said Katherine was not able to cite anything to back her claim up.  I don't know, I wish we had a lawyer on here, lol.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on March 14, 2013, 11:35:38 PM
Maybe Katherine has a lousy lawyer, secretly working against her.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on March 15, 2013, 02:45:33 AM
In the two days we've been offline (anyone know what that was all about??) I've been looking at stuff relating to this trial. I found this summary which may be of interest:

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilcasesummarynet/ui/casesummary.aspx?CT=CI

N.B. The case number is BC445597 which it doesn't seem to remember, so I think you have to type it in each time you visit the page.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on March 15, 2013, 07:49:29 AM


Thanks for that link curls!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: JesusLover05 on March 15, 2013, 09:30:23 AM
I looked up Katherine Jackson's case and I found some interesting stuff. This is what was found on 3/14/2013.

03/14/2013 Miscellaneous-Other (SEPRATE STAEMENT RE EX PARTE APPL )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

03/14/2013 Miscellaneous-Other ( STATEMENT RE: EX PARTE APPL )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

03/14/2013 Ex-Parte Application (RE DEPOS OF SHAWN TRELL )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

03/14/2013 Order ( GRANTING EX PARTE RE DEPOSITION OF SHAWN TRELL )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

03/14/2013 Opposition Document ( TO PLTFS EX PARTE TO CONT. DEPO OF SHAWN TRELL )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

In Case somne of you want to know who Shawn Trell is, he is an attorney for AEG Live.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on March 15, 2013, 11:07:54 AM
Katherine Jackson’s Wrongful Death Lawsuit Suffers Major Legal Setback

Katherine Jackson‘s suffered a huge legal setback this past week in her wrongful death lawsuit  for her son Michael Jackson when a California court dismissed all of her claims against AEG and its President Tim Leiweke RadarOnline.com is exclusively reporting.

Additionally all but one of her claims against the remaining defendants were dismissed and the California Court of Appeals ordered Michael’s medical records unsealed.

DOCUMENT: AEG Files With Court Of Appeal

Those remaining defendants have filed legal documents with the Court of Appeal in California to dismiss that one remaining claim on the question of whether AEG Live negligently hired Dr. Conrad Murray, Jackson’s long time personal physician.  Murray was convicted in 2011 of the involuntary manslaughter death of Michael Jackson after administering a fatal dose of propofol to help the pop singer sleep. Murray hadn’t signed formally signed his employment contract with AEG at the time of Jackson’s death.
In response to the filing, the Court of Appeal indicated that it would be unsealing certain records of the late pop singer, including Jackson’s medical records.

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In court documents obtained by RadarOnline.com, AEG Live asserts, “absent this Court’s immediate intervention, defendants will shortly begin a long trial based on the trial court’s fundamental misapplication of California law. Plaintiffs seek more than $40 billion in damages from defendants arising from the 2009 death of pop music star Michael Jackson….On February 27, 2013, Respondent Court summarily adjudicated all of the Jackson’s claims except negligent hiring….Specifically, Respondent Court held that there was a triable issue of fact as to whether AEG Live should have suspected Dr. Murray “may compromise his Hippocratic Oath” because Dr. Murray was in debt, and because Mr. Jackson was known to have had a prior problem with painkiller abuse. Respondent Court provided no explanation as to how such knowledge would have made it legally foreseeable that Dr. Murray would administer a fatal dose of anesthesia to Mr. Jackson in his home for sleep.”

When contacted by RadarOnline, com, Marvin Putnam, attorney for AEG Live responded, “The Court of Appeal rarely grants these extraordinary requests, although I am confident, whether before or after trial, that the courts of this state will find the law does not allow Mrs. Jackson’s claim. Any other outcome would wreak havoc on California’s business community.”

PHOTOS: Michael Jackson’s Kids: Three Years After His Death

If the case does proceed to trial, Putnam told us, “AEG Live had no idea Jackson was looking for a doctor to give him propofol or that Dr. Murray had agreed to provide the dangerous drug to him. Mr. Jackson’s death was a horrible tragedy for which AEG Live is simply not responsible.”

Murray is going to be deposed on Monday, March 18 at the Los Angeles County Men’s Central Jail in connection with Katherine’s wrongful death lawsuit.

PHOTOS: Michael Jackson Through The Years

The trial is expected to begin on April 1.

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Real Housewives Star’s Home In Foreclosure; She Sues The Banks.

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/03/michael-jackson-mother-katherine-jackson-wrongful-death-lawsuit-major-legal-setback/
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: hesouttamylife on March 15, 2013, 11:31:09 AM
Could this be a way to overturn Murray’s conviction?   If it is found that AEG is responsible for hiring Murray and Murray in fact states under oath that he was instructed by AEG to administer what ever it took to ensure that Michael slept & was prepared to be at rehearsals the next day by any means necessary, showing that they had the capacity to turn their backs & not really care what happened to Michael except that he “performed” then a large part of the guilt could fall on AEG calling for Murray to possibly be released with time served.   :Pulling_hair: It’s all so technical.  Going for the big fish.  I wish there were some legal advisors on board here also.  :computer-losy-smiley:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on March 15, 2013, 12:46:09 PM
California judicial system is as corrupt as can be.  Why would a California court dismiss all of Katherine's claims against AEG and its president Tim Leiweke?
Also all but one of her claims against the remaining defendants were dismissed...........
These big fish are always protected by loopholes found in contracts, big name lawyers AND YES BY JUDGES.........

When contacted by RadarOnline, com, Marvin Putnam, attorney for AEG Live responded, “The Court of Appeal rarely grants these extraordinary requests, although I am confident, whether before or after trial, that the courts of this state will find the law does not allow Mrs. Jackson’s claim. Any other outcome would wreak havoc on California’s business community.”


This above statement from the article speaks volumes about what the outcome to Katherine's claim is going to be..........
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on March 15, 2013, 01:02:36 PM
did i see maybe on twitter yesterday that the estate is trying to get the medical records sealed? :-\
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: hesouttamylife on March 15, 2013, 02:11:57 PM
“...Any other outcome would wreak havoc on California’s business community.”  Statements like these burn me up.  Who but the government cares more about the business community than righting the wrongs done to a human being?  :Crash:

I think my computer has a ghost writer… it types what it wants to when ever it gets the notion :computer-losy-smiley:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on March 15, 2013, 03:02:32 PM
Too funny hes  :thjajaja121:

It seems like we already know (or they are hinting at) what the outcome of this trial is going to be............

But may be we should not be concentrating on the outcome of the trial, but the trial itself.......I mean may be during this trial that's supposed to start on April 1st,  the truth will be revealed and a lot of questions will be answered, questions that did not get answered during Murray's trial........
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on March 15, 2013, 06:00:16 PM
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Too funny hes  :thjajaja121:

It seems like we already know (or they are hinting at) what the outcome of this trial is going to be............

But may be we should not be concentrating on the outcome of the trial, but the trial itself.......I mean may be during this trial that's supposed to start on April 1st,  the truth will be revealed and a lot of questions will be answered, questions that did not get answered during Murray's trial........

Agree and... believe   :icon_e_wink: :michael-jackson:,,,the best is yet to come !!!   :ghsdf: :moonwalk_:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on March 16, 2013, 11:45:56 AM
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In the two days we've been offline (anyone know what that was all about??) I've been looking at stuff relating to this trial. I found this summary which may be of interest:

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilcasesummarynet/ui/casesummary.aspx?CT=CI

N.B. The case number is BC445597 which it doesn't seem to remember, so I think you have to type it in each time you visit the page.

To see it you have to click "Beverly Hills Courthouse".
Very interesting, thanks for sharing Curls.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: mindseye on March 16, 2013, 02:07:09 PM
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In the two days we've been offline (anyone know what that was all about??) I've been looking at stuff relating to this trial. I found this summary which may be of interest:

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilcasesummarynet/ui/casesummary.aspx?CT=CI

N.B. The case number is BC445597 which it doesn't seem to remember, so I think you have to type it in each time you visit the page.

To see it you have to click "Beverly Hills Courthouse".
Very interesting, thanks for sharing Curls.

Interesting... again I was curious about dates and numbers  :icon_geek:

Filing Date:  09/15/2010 = 18

BC445597  = 7

03/21/2013 = 6+6=12
04/02/2013 = 6+6=12
07/31/2013 =11+6=17 or 8   
08/16/2013 = 15+6=21 or 12

 :suspect: 21 weeks

from 6/25/09 to 04/02/2013... 196 weeks =7


Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: 2good2btrue on March 17, 2013, 04:08:37 AM
Not sure if this has been posted yet or not ....The plaintiff's initial witness list for the court hearing....
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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: 2good2btrue on March 17, 2013, 04:15:01 AM
This is the Defendant's initial witness list.....
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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Adi on March 17, 2013, 04:31:44 AM
Well it appears from this TMZ article that ol' Conny is gonna say nada.................  http://www.tmz.com/2013/03/17/conrad-murray-fifth-amendment-self-incrimination-michael-jackson-aeg-katherine-jackson/

Thread started here re above article: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,23697.msg438474.html#msg438474
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on March 17, 2013, 12:25:11 PM
Thanks for sharing 2good2btrue.

Some remarks:

1- Some witnesses: Kai Chase, Diana Ross, Karen Faye, Jackie - Jermaine and Marlon Jackson (Unity Tour), Quincy Jones, Debbie Rowe, Lisa Mary Presley.

2- Defendants: Jermaine La Juane Jackson http://www.geni.com/people/Jermaine-Jackson/6000000000782392628

3- Why Jermaine is Jermaine Jackson on the witnesses' list and Jermaine La Juane one the defendant's list  :confused:

4- I am trying to figure out if Unity Tour has any concert during AEG trial but the last listed date is March 26  http://www.thejacksons.com
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on March 18, 2013, 01:20:39 AM
I notice that Tohme Tohme was on the original list but not on the second—shame.  Is he being protected by AEG, or is MJ’s keeping him for a special role later.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: hesouttamylife on March 18, 2013, 04:56:09 PM
When did we ever hear that Michael had a narvan implant?  :icon_eek:  This is one of the subjects Katherine is requesting to keep out of the trial.  Also questions concerning parentage (mother & father) of Michael’s children; that she, the children, and the estate did not sue Murray; benefits for her & the children from the estate; marital discord between she and Joseph; assumed financial problems of Michael’s siblings; Katherine’s kidnapping; that the estate didn’t file suit against AEG; that Michael intentionally kept his narcan implant secret  :icon_eek: to name a few.  However she has decided to allow testimony that Michael was an alcoholic and possibly drunk during the 0-2 announcement.  :Crash:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on March 18, 2013, 05:34:10 PM
hes, have I missed something?  Where did you hear or read about all these in your post?  This is the first time I'm hearing about that, what is a narvan implant? Please let me know, thanks.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on March 18, 2013, 06:07:37 PM
Interesting Hes!

http://drugrehabranch.crchealth.com/treatment-programs/depot-narcan-will-it-work/
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The reasoning is simple: A depot injection is one that stays in your system for as long as a month. If you’re tempted to use opiates, why bother since you won’t get high? Better still, a matchstick-sized implant (placed under your skin) of  Probuphine – also naltrexone-based – can stay in place for up to six months. The implant is being examined by the FDA for clinical trials in early 2011.
Wow! Finally, a drug that can save you from your own poor judgment! Unfortunately, people addicted to opiates are notorious for non-compliance with treatment, including  controversial  methadone maintenance programs.
Vivitrol and Probuphine, if they pass FDA muster, can really ruin your day if you want to get high on illegal street opiates or those prescribed by your physician for pain management. Nope, a judge can’t order you to use depot injections or implant naltrexone; he/she can merely send you to the slammer for crimes related to your misuse of controlled substances. If you’re really serious about kicking the dope habit, is it not wise to take advantage of any and all treatment options to prevent relapses?
It’s interesting to note that Vivitrol was initially approved by the FDA to treat alcoholism in 2006. The results weren’t very impressive since alcohol and opiates don’t have many brain receptor sites in common.

But could MJ have had this put under his skin against his will/knowledge when he was put under for other purposes?
Don't know what to make of this, or most likely it is bunk.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: hesouttamylife on March 18, 2013, 06:30:26 PM
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hes, have I missed something?  Where did you hear or read about all these in your post?  This is the first time I'm hearing about that, what is a narvan implant? Please let me know, thanks.

Hello Faith - it is a continuation of the trial updates as posted by MJJCommunity.  Here it is again.  Ivy continuously updates, so check it often.

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/128731-Katherine-Jackson-vs-AEG-Live-Full-Case-History-Summary/page2 (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/128731-Katherine-Jackson-vs-AEG-Live-Full-Case-History-Summary/page2)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on March 18, 2013, 09:45:16 PM
Thanks, hes. 
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on March 19, 2013, 08:30:13 AM
so enlighten me is there possible other suit planned? reason i ask , if thome was his manager does he not bare any kind of responsibility ( in the eyes of katherine)  in this mess? just wondering.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on March 19, 2013, 11:38:14 AM
That's a good point, suspicious.  If there is another suit, it hasn't been announced yet, or I haven't heard anything about one YET!!!!!!

I also am curious about why Arnie is not on any of the witness lists.....Considering that he was Michael's doctor until the very end, there are so many videos and photos out there of Michael leaving from or going to Arnie's office, and Arnie said in several of his interviews that he was rebuilding Michael's face up to 6/25th.  Even though AEG may not want Arnie to testify for them, and that's understandable, but I would think that Katherine would want to have Arnie as a witness since he may implicate both AEG and Murray by bringing some crucial info. and proof to help with the lawsuit.  So what gives?????
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: hesouttamylife on March 19, 2013, 04:26:01 PM
It seems to me that a smear campaign was purposefully orchestrated against Arnie early on and continues to this day, to discredit him as a witness based on his assumed psychosis.   :ghsdf: :Crash:  Why? Because he knows things they don’t want disclosed in a court of law.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on March 20, 2013, 01:10:28 AM
Yep, bullying and manipulation; silencing of opposition. No wonder truth is so hard to find.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: shorty on March 20, 2013, 01:44:54 AM
I completely agree..MJonmind and hesouttamylife....
That wonder me too, at CM`s trial he was not on the List althoug many cases debited and now in the AEG against the Jacksons, he has definitely to say much....
Or that is the reason why he is not on the List.....He know maybe the truth just like Conny....has Conny not say in his docu, had I testified I was now a free man....
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on March 21, 2013, 05:54:07 PM
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It seems to me that a smear campaign was purposefully orchestrated against Arnie early on and continues to this day, to discredit him as a witness based on his assumed psychosis.   :ghsdf: :Crash:  Why? Because he knows things they don’t want disclosed in a court of law.


Great truth !!!  :Crash: :ghsdf: and I may be delusional, but I think the truth comes out sooner or later.. :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on March 23, 2013, 11:50:52 AM
Judge sets rules for lawsuit by Michael Jackson’s mother over doctor’s hiring

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Matt Sayles, File/Associated Press -  FILE - In this April 27, 2011 file photo, Katherine Jackson poses for a portrait in Calabasas, Calif. A Los Angeles judge set the stage Thursday, March 21, 2013, for trial of a civil suit by Michael Jackson’s mother against concert giant AEG Live. Katherine Jackson claims the company negligently hired the doctor later convicted of involuntary manslaughter in the singer’s death.
By Associated Press, Published: March 22

LOS ANGELES — A Los Angeles judge set the stage Thursday for trial of a civil suit by Michael Jackson’s mother against concert giant AEG Live.

Katherine Jackson claims the company negligently hired the doctor later convicted of involuntary manslaughter in the singer’s death and failed to oversee him. She and the singer’s two eldest children are expected to testify about the singer’s last days.


Legal rulings by Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos anticipated a three-month trial that will revisit events preceding the singer’s death from an anesthetic overdose in 2009.

Dr. Conrad Murray, who was convicted of manslaughter for administering the drug propofol, is not named in the lawsuit. But the judge agreed to allow him to be brought to court from jail to testify outside the jury’s presence. He has said he would invoke his Fifth Amendment right not to testify. But lawyers said he could possibly talk about non-criminal issues.

The judge said jury selection would begin April 2 and attorneys estimated the search for a panel could be long and difficult because of the notoriety of the parties and the estimated length of the trial.

The judge granted several plaintiff’s motions and rejected a few.

She refused to bar AEG from raising the subject of child molestation charges against Jackson from years ago. Lawyers for his mother claim it’s irrelevant because he was acquitted.

Katherine Jackson’s attorney, Kevin Boyle, argued that “There is nothing more prejudicial than dropping that bomb in court, mentioning child molestation.”

But Palazuelos said she would allow testimony that Jackson became despondent and reliant on drugs because of the charges.

She refused to approve inquiry into the finances of Jackson’s siblings and barred any testimony about a claim that Katherine Jackson was kidnapped by family members and taken to Arizona last year.

She wouldn’t permit AEG lawyers to ask questions about possible discord in the marriage of Katherine and Joe Jackson and she barred any inquiry into the identity of the biological parents of Jackson’s three children.

Katherine Jackson’s suit seeks hundreds of millions of dollars from AEG including $200 million in non-economic damages, including emotional distress.

The case centers on whether AEG did an appropriate investigation of Murray and whether they controlled him while he was preparing Jackson for a series of concerts in London.

During arguments, the question arose of why Katherine Jackson did not sue Murray. Attorneys disclosed that Jackson’s son Prince and his daughter, Paris, testified in depositions that they believed Murray was “a good person” and didn’t want him sued. But Katherine Jackson, who had the decision, testified it was financial, they said.

The judge said AEG could have sued Murray as well.

“The same questions can be asked of you,” she told AEG lawyers. “Why didn’t you sue him?”

“Because we’re not required to,” attorney Marvin Putnam said.

The judge called the issue “a side show.”

“He has no money and that’s why they’re not suing him,” Putnam said.

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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: hesouttamylife on March 23, 2013, 12:11:16 PM
 :icon_eek: but wouldn’t it also be basically speculative that Michael turned to and became addicted to drugs after the child molestation charges? No one has proven that.  If he was addicted, there would have never been months and years on end that he went without them.  This should not be allowed in the testimony at all as Katherine stated. It’s based on assumption and nothing more. :computer-losy-smiley:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on March 23, 2013, 12:32:18 PM


By allowing the molestation accusations to be brought up in this trial, it will hopefully finally show that there has been a MASSIVE conspiracy against Michael - AEG being just one on the list of conspirators.  The allegations must be brought to the forefront once again in order for people to see this.  And the conspiracy against Michael doesn't stop there because it involves so much more, it's ultimately about complete and total control.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on March 23, 2013, 09:03:45 PM
so what about aeg backing out of trying to get pay off on the lords of london policy. the estate is still involved in that right ? and possibly katherine but aeg backed out as i remember . anyone else remember or know the whereabouts of details on that?



i can't figure why if celebrity insure so many legs , boobs and so on michael should have had about everything insured  :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on March 24, 2013, 02:42:19 PM
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so what about aeg backing out of trying to get pay off on the lords of london policy. the estate is still involved in that right ? and possibly katherine but aeg backed out as i remember . anyone else remember or know the whereabouts of details on that?



i can't figure why if celebrity insure so many legs , boobs and so on michael should have had about everything insured  :LolLolLolLol:

You're right !!!  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on March 30, 2013, 04:37:06 PM
I found this news interesting:

Conrad Murray will be interviewed by CNN on Tue April 2nd

(Given the proximity to KJ- AEG trial, I'm starting the thread in this section, to increase visibility)

According to our member LMAT , CNN has just started showing advertisements that they will be interviewing Conrad Murray.

CNN advert: 'For the first time Conrad Murray tells his side of the story' from jail

The interview will air on Anderson Cooper 360 on Tuesday - April 2nd

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/128956-Conrad-Murray-will-be-interviewed-by-CNN-on-Tue-April-2nd?p=3798261#post3798261
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: hesouttamylife on March 30, 2013, 05:18:58 PM
Thanks for this @Sweet - I will certainly keep watching  :icon_e_ugeek:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MaryK on March 30, 2013, 05:34:48 PM
Wow, can it get any weirder......

People on Twitter are saying that Diane Dimond will be CNN´s reporter for the AEG trial

 :icon_eek:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on March 30, 2013, 05:46:41 PM
This is really weird      (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-alien009.gif)

Is this good or bad news??  :icon_e_confused:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on March 30, 2013, 07:26:09 PM
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Wow, can it get any weirder......

People on Twitter are saying that Diane Dimond will be CNN´s reporter for the AEG trial

 :icon_eek:



 :icon_eek: :-[
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on March 30, 2013, 07:29:05 PM


It would be incredible if Murray was on Anderson Cooper, opening night on the first day of AEG jury selection.  The hoax is always on display for the masses...only they see it as the never-ending saga that is Michael Jackson's 'death'... and Murray, who is allegedly going to take the 5th for said trial is more than willing to go prime time to tell his side.  


For some reason the Diane Dimond thing doesn't surprise me.  In all likeliness she is well-versed in the case.  And actually what would surprise me is if she is unaware of the hoax.  But exactly sweetsunset, is that good or bad news?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: hesouttamylife on March 30, 2013, 07:41:38 PM
Seven Bowie has an excellent site called MJJ-777 where there is extensive info about dirty dimond.  I cannot stand her personally.  For starters,  she still insists that Paris & Prince are Arnie’s biological kids, and secondly she is a self absorbed bitch. Sorry for being so blunt, but if the shoe fits, well…  :icon_evil:  I cannot see her being an unbiased reporter in any issues concerning Michael & drugs as she point blank told me in an email that he was an alcoholic, an addict and a molester in no special order.  Seven has included this info in his section entitled “A Dossier on Dirty Diane” .  So in answer to your question @Sweet - I certainly don’t see any good in her being chosen to report on the AEG case.  None at all  :icon_evil:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Adi on March 30, 2013, 07:54:50 PM
Yeah - this is intriguing. Dr. M will give an interview the day the Jury selection begins, yet he has his own appeal pending and will plead the 5th if he is called to the stand in the AEG trial...! It reminds me of the doco Dr M did during his own trial, yet he wouldn't take the stand in his own defence....hilarious!!!!! BRILLIANT script writing MJ  :icon_albino:

With regards to that lowlife DD maybe "someone" is setting her up by having her cover the AEG trial....afterall I think it's a big unknown what's going to come out during that trial....I am hoping there is method in this madness.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: hesouttamylife on March 30, 2013, 08:08:16 PM
@Adi - I pray you are right.  It’s long past her time to sit at the head of the  table of ill repute  :Pulling_hair:  Reptillian society banquet!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Adi on March 30, 2013, 08:52:01 PM
Me too @hes  waiting in anticipation.

I was just reading this article on TMZ: 

MICHAEL JORDAN to Alleged Baby Mama... I'm Coming After You!

( http://www.tmz.com/2013/03/30/michael-jordan-baby-mama-pamela-smith-lawsuit/ )

Even though I know this story is about the "other" MJ,  Michael Jordan, it caught my eye for some reason whilst thinking about the AEG trial.....especially the  "I'm coming after you"  in the title.

The last line of the article also particularly stood out for me:
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"Revenge is a dish best served ... in court."

 :icon_rr:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: mindseye on March 30, 2013, 08:58:12 PM
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Yeah - this is intriguing. Dr. M will give an interview the day the Jury selection begins, yet he has his own appeal pending and will plead the 5th if he is called to the stand in the AEG trial...! It reminds me of the doco Dr M did during his own trial, yet he wouldn't take the stand in his own defence....hilarious!!!!! BRILLIANT script writing MJ  :icon_albino:

With regards to that lowlife DD maybe "someone" is setting her up by having her cover the AEG trial....afterall I think it's a big unknown what's going to come out during that trial....I am hoping there is method in this madness.

I agree! And yes I'll be surprised if this isn't a setup.  Muuuuaahahahaha! Ah ahaaa :ghsdf:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on March 30, 2013, 10:06:32 PM
D.D.

yuck


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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on March 31, 2013, 03:34:42 AM
Wow, with this situation I don't know whether to laugh or cry!!
Agree Adi, on MJ great script-writer!!  And the other MJ, news story hint that sweet revenge is on the horizon!

TMZ, Cele-Bunnies  The Tooth Will Set You Free!
 http://www.tmz.com/2013/03/31/cele-bunnies-the-tooth-will-set-you-free/
I'd love to have seen Murray with big teeth for Easter. Then it could be, "I have told da toot and I believe da toot will prevail"
Anybody?  Thanks!

Thanks Sweet! 
Comment from MJJC member, respect777
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They are gonna start to build sympathy for him now. They are always building sympathy for the side which feeds them with stories. That's why they sided with the Chandlers and the DA and that's why they are gonna side with this convicted felon.

I just can't believe that this is possible. All morals and ethics in the media just went out of the window a long, long time ago. SMH.

Watch him when he gets out of jail! There will be interviews, TV show appearances, Oprah, book deals (with books trashing Michael, of course), reality shows, maybe he can even be invited to be a judge on American Idol, you name it... I'm sure with the help of the media he will have no problem making money of his crime. After all the tabloids were willing to pay six-digit figures to anyone trashing Michael in the past and to make up lies about him, they probably would still be willing to do that. I can't wait Murray telling the Daily Mail and the Sun to have witnessed a string of young boys coming and going from Michael's place every night. Those are the kind of stories they like to pay for, don't they?
I think things are going to get cara-a-zy!!




Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: use_your_illusion on March 31, 2013, 05:05:54 AM
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Wow, with this situation I don't know whether to laugh or cry!!
Agree Adi, on MJ great script-writer!!  And the other MJ, news story hint that sweet revenge is on the horizon!

TMZ, Cele-Bunnies  The Tooth Will Set You Free!
 http://www.tmz.com/2013/03/31/cele-bunnies-the-tooth-will-set-you-free/
I'd love to have seen Murray with big teeth for Easter. Then it could be, "I have told da toot and I believe da toot will prevail"
Anybody?  Thanks!

Thanks Sweet! 
Comment from MJJC member, respect777
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They are gonna start to build sympathy for him now. They are always building sympathy for the side which feeds them with stories. That's why they sided with the Chandlers and the DA and that's why they are gonna side with this convicted felon.

I just can't believe that this is possible. All morals and ethics in the media just went out of the window a long, long time ago. SMH.

Watch him when he gets out of jail! There will be interviews, TV show appearances, Oprah, book deals (with books trashing Michael, of course), reality shows, maybe he can even be invited to be a judge on American Idol, you name it... I'm sure with the help of the media he will have no problem making money of his crime. After all the tabloids were willing to pay six-digit figures to anyone trashing Michael in the past and to make up lies about him, they probably would still be willing to do that. I can't wait Murray telling the Daily Mail and the Sun to have witnessed a string of young boys coming and going from Michael's place every night. Those are the kind of stories they like to pay for, don't they?
I think things are going to get cara-a-zy!!

 :icon_lol:

"Oh Murray, what big teeth you have"
CM: "Better to tell the toot with, my dear"

Ok, my gosh that was lame, but that's all I got!

 :icon_lol: I just noticed the way you sounded out crazy...did the interview about the Mike Jordan shoes pop up when you wrote that? That interview was funny. It's amazing how viral a news interview can get. How do people see these things, I mean..ain't nobody got time for dat.

Also about the trial. I think it's weird, it's like deja vu. We've had one big trial already involving Murray and we are about to go through another big one. Then La Toya is/was on the Apprentice for the second time. Then we have another major interview for Conrad Murray. I don't know, it just all seems familiar.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: hesouttamylife on March 31, 2013, 11:07:04 AM
It’s like HiStory repeating itself… only this time it’s gonna make a change  :beerchug:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: mindseye on March 31, 2013, 02:33:06 PM
http://youtu.be/CB7zOXd7HZg
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: hesouttamylife on March 31, 2013, 04:47:16 PM
Typical Dimond - She is never going to give Michael Jackson the benefit of the doubt.  Her mind is set on him being an addict, Murray not having a signed contract, AEG just “bullying” Ortega into getting MJ to rehearsals (regardless of what the email said… that doesn’t matter), etcetera, etcetera… She will be very biased and opinionated.  We will miss half the facts and/or important one ups on AEG in this case if we are left to rely on her reporting. So shallow.  They think this is going to be a piece of cake.  But I feel they are going to be sadly mistaken.

Go get ‘em Katherine!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on March 31, 2013, 07:27:37 PM
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Typical Dimond - She is never going to give Michael Jackson the benefit of the doubt.  Her mind is set on him being an addict, Murray not having a signed contract, AEG just “bullying” Ortega into getting MJ to rehearsals (regardless of what the email said… that doesn’t matter), etcetera, etcetera… She will be very biased and opinionated.  We will miss half the facts and/or important one ups on AEG in this case if we are left to rely on her reporting. So shallow.  They think this is going to be a piece of cake.  But I feel they are going to be sadly mistaken.

Go get ‘em Katherine!




This woman is crazy  or someone pays you for that she act in that way
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on March 31, 2013, 11:12:20 PM
Sweet started discussion of Murray's interview on April 2, but we can give it it's own thread to discuss:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,23722.0.html
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on April 01, 2013, 02:20:26 AM
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TMZ, Cele-Bunnies  The Tooth Will Set You Free!
 http://www.tmz.com/2013/03/31/cele-bunnies-the-tooth-will-set-you-free/
I'd love to have seen Murray with big teeth for Easter. Then it could be, "I have told da toot and I believe da toot will prevail"
So I had some fun with it: :)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/conradjzj.jpg)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Girl_In_the_Mirror on April 01, 2013, 02:33:11 AM
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TMZ, Cele-Bunnies  The Tooth Will Set You Free!
 http://www.tmz.com/2013/03/31/cele-bunnies-the-tooth-will-set-you-free/
I'd love to have seen Murray with big teeth for Easter. Then it could be, "I have told da toot and I believe da toot will prevail"
So I had some fun with it: :)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/conradjzj.jpg)

I was away for the weekend, went to see my parents...haven't seen them in 2 months, and I missed them ;)
I've read almost everything that I missed out this weekend, and let me tell you i don't like that lady D.D. at all... [sorry for being off-topic, since you said there is another thread for this, if i got it right :p]
But MJonmind...I lmao with this picture... :)))Well, hopefully "da toot" will prevail  :p
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: use_your_illusion on April 01, 2013, 04:01:47 AM

'D.D is a reporter, who tells the truth and gets her facts right before she opens her mouth' -said NO ONE EVER!!!!!

What can I say, she's putrid, she has that look of pure evil in her eyes.

Anyway do we know if this trial will be televised?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MaryK on April 01, 2013, 06:16:27 AM
CNN have appealed the judge´s decision (no broadcasting of the trial) and they will be heard tomorrow.

So we will see....there´s still a chance that the trial will be televised.

Anyway...wouldn´t it be nice if this Diane Dimond thing was a setup?
Imagine DD would be "forced" to once tell the truth about Michael (depending on what will be said during the trial, what truths will come to light)....it would be like venom in her mouth, a very bitter pill.
Revenge is a dish best served cold. :icon_mrgreen:

I must admit that I was rather scared when I first heard about all the things going on behind the scenes with this trial.
But the more I think about it, the more I get a feeling that it really serves a purpose.
If Michael ever had a chance to right the wrongs then I think THIS IS IT  :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: LOVEforMJ1995 on April 01, 2013, 06:34:36 AM
Here's an article from today (sorry I don't know how to embed it) but this quote stood out to me: “The family claim they have evidence which has never emerged before and it is ­explosive.”


 :woohoo2:

So I'm really excited as to what new evidence is going to come to light!

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Adi on April 01, 2013, 06:50:46 AM
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CNN have appealed the judge´s decision (no broadcasting of the trial) and they will be heard tomorrow.

So we will see....there´s still a chance that the trial will be televised.

Anyway...wouldn´t it be nice if this Diane Dimond thing was a setup?
Imagine DD would be "forced" to once tell the truth about Michael (depending on what will be said during the trial, what truths will come to light)....it would be like venom in her mouth, a very bitter pill.
Revenge is a dish best served cold. :icon_mrgreen:

I must admit that I was rather scared when I first heard about all the things going on behind the scenes with this trial.
But the more I think about it, the more I get a feeling that it really serves a purpose.
If Michael ever had a chance to right the wrongs then I think THIS IS IT  :icon_e_wink:

I'm with you there Mary....I too was very confused & worried by this trial, however I now think there is a BIG purpose behind this trial and it is to right the wrongs, as Front's note told us last year :)

Andrea - I missed this earlier post of yours...but I agree...when looking at it from a righting the wrongs against Michael hoaxy perspective, there must be a reason for allowing the molestation allegations to be raised in the trial. I have the gut feeling something major will come out during this trial.

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By allowing the molestation accusations to be brought up in this trial, it will hopefully finally show that there has been a MASSIVE conspiracy against Michael - AEG being just one on the list of conspirators.  The allegations must be brought to the forefront once again in order for people to see this.  And the conspiracy against Michael doesn't stop there because it involves so much more, it's ultimately about complete and total control.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Adi on April 01, 2013, 07:06:16 AM
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Here's an article from today (sorry I don't know how to embed it) but this quote stood out to me: “The family claim they have evidence which has never emerged before and it is ­explosive.”


 :woohoo2:

So I'm really excited as to what new evidence is going to come to light!

Can you copy the link to the article here for us please?  :icon_albino:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: LOVEforMJ1995 on April 01, 2013, 07:15:16 AM
Adi, I was supposed to put the link in, whoops!

Here you go:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/michael-jacksons-children-tell-dads-1795602
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: use_your_illusion on April 01, 2013, 09:05:37 AM
I agree. I mean it really made me think when the reporter asked Alan Duke what the purpose for this trial is when CM is already in jail. First of all the sum of money is ridiculously high, second if the family did believe AEG had a part in MJ's 'death' then you would think they would of gone after them with a criminal lawsuit. Thirdly Murray is in jail, the person who was the direct cause of MJ's death is out of the way.

So taking all that into account, this trial seems to have a bigger purpose. I don't know what that is, but it doesn't seem like a delay in the hoax to me, it seems like the rolling of the bowling ball to knock out the key players who had MJ vilified.

If this does have a big hoax purpose like the CM trial did, then there is good chance that the judge will allow it to be televised.



Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: RK on April 01, 2013, 09:05:59 AM
Here is Diane Dimond's first installment of slanderous crap from the daily beast.....actually she is a beast....daily...but that's an insult to all animals. .  :icon_evil:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/04/01/inside-the-latest-michael-jackson-trial-the-one-with-40-billion-on-the-line.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/04/01/inside-the-latest-michael-jackson-trial-the-one-with-40-billion-on-the-line.html)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: hesouttamylife on April 01, 2013, 12:37:09 PM
Dimond could be the high priestess of shit throwing where Michael is concerned.  However, I find it interesting her timing for joining this crew reporting on the AEG case.  It could just possibly be a set-up in that she decided to join only after it was decided that the molestation testimony would be allowed.   :animal0017: which is her and Sneddon’s baby.  I remember Dimond once saying something like if he ever were charged again, she'd be right there. Voilla! here she is.  But I have a strong feeling that when this testimony starts and the issue of child molestation comes up, she will pounce on it like white on rice, but she will not be prepared for the onslaught of retalliation she will get from the MJ community who is ready, more than ready for her. We’ve had more than ample time to stack or artillary and we’ve got nothing but the facts which she cannot handle.  :icon_evil:  She will lose her mind, start bitching at fans and lose her credibility. Believe me, I will be amongst those fans because her life has revolved around trashing Michael.  It is time for that to be OVER!  Every dog will have his day.  Seems hers is just around the bend.  :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: ShyBleuEyes on April 01, 2013, 01:53:02 PM
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Dimond could be the high priestess of shit throwing where Michael is concerned.  However, I find it interesting her timing for joining this crew reporting on the AEG case.  It could just possibly be a set-up in that she decided to join only after it was decided that the molestation testimony would be allowed.   :animal0017: which is her and Sneddon’s baby.  I remember Dimond once saying something like if he ever were charged again, she'd be right there. Voilla! here she is.  But I have a strong feeling that when this testimony starts and the issue of child molestation comes up, she will pounce on it like white on rice, but she will not be prepared for the onslaught of retalliation she will get from the MJ community who is ready, more than ready for her. We’ve had more than ample time to stack or artillary and we’ve got nothing but the facts which she cannot handle.  :icon_evil:  She will lose her mind, start bitching at fans and lose her credibility. Believe me, I will be amongst those fans because her life has revolved around trashing Michael.  It is time for that to be OVER!  Every dog will have his day.  Seems hers is just around the bend.  :LolLolLolLol:

i will cheer that day,  better today then tomorrow...
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on April 01, 2013, 03:54:53 PM
@Mary            But the more I think about it, the more I get a feeling that it really serves a purpose.
                      If Michael ever had a chance to right the wrongs then I think THIS IS IT 



As always Michael is behind the curtain ... the red curtain  :icon_mrgreen: ,so after a period of silence and tranquility,I think ihe will move and we hear a lot  :icon_mrgreen: I hope that we can follow the process live  :judge-smiley: .... 

        L.O.V.E. you Katherine!!!

THE BEST IS YET TO COME                       


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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Jos on April 01, 2013, 05:07:35 PM
about that, is there anyone who knows if there is a livestream for the AEG trial?

would TMZ participate? :)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on April 01, 2013, 06:58:02 PM
AEG Live to put Michael Jackson on trial in own death
By Alan Duke
updated 7:25 PM EDT, Mon April 1, 2013

Los Angeles (CNN) -- Michael Jackson's last concert promoter will defend itself in a wrongful death lawsuit filed by the pop icon's family by arguing that Jackson was responsible for his own demise.

Child molestation accusations against Jackson, for which he was acquitted after a trial, and evidence of his drug addiction will likely be presented by AEG Live's lawyers as they argue that the company had no liability in his death.

Jackson died two weeks before his "This Is It" comeback concerts, organized by AEG Live, were to have debuted in London in the summer of 2009.

"I don't know how you can't look to Mr. Jackson's responsibility there," AEG lawyer Marvin Putnam said. "He was a grown man." Putnam was interviewed for "Michael Jackson: The Final Days," a CNN documentary that will premiere at 10 p.m. Friday.

"Mr. Jackson is a person who was known to doctor shop," Putnam said. "He was known to be someone who would tell one doctor one thing and another doctor something else."
The child molestation trial is relevant because it "resulted in an incredible increase in his drug intake," Putnam said.

Jackson's eccentricities are fair game, AEG Live says

"We're talking about Michael Jackson," Putnam said. "This is a man who would show up in pajamas. This is a man who would stop traffic and get out and dance on top of his car. This is a man who would go to public events with a monkey named Bubbles. This is a man who said he slept in an oxygen chamber."

Lawyers for Jackson's mother, Katherine, and children, Prince, Paris and Blanket, argue that AEG Live is liable because the company hired and supervised Dr. Conrad Murray, who used a surgical anesthetic in a fatal effort to treat the singer's insomnia as he prepared for the comeback concerts. Murray was convicted of involuntary manslaughter and is serving a prison sentence.

Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos ruled in February that Jackson lawyers have shown enough evidence to warrant a jury trial on the negligent hiring case. She also ruled there was evidence to support the Jacksons' claim that AEG Live executives could have foreseen that Murray would use dangerous drugs in treating the singer.

The lawsuit seeks a judgment against AEG Live equal to the money Jackson would have earned over the course of his remaining lifetime if he had not died in 2009. If AEG Live is found liable, it could cost the company several billion dollars, according to estimates of Jackson's income potential. AEG Live is a subsidiary of AEG, a global entertainment company that was for sale recently with an $8 billion asking price.

The judge will hear arguments for television cameras in the Los Angeles courtroom just before jury selection starts Tuesday morning. While the Jackson lawyers are expected to support CNN's request to televise the trial, AEG lawyers say they are worried it could create a fan "frenzy" outside the courthouse.

Prince and Paris Jackson to testify about dad's last days

The wrongful death trial, which could last several months, is expected to include testimony from Jackson's mother and his two oldest children, Prince and Paris.
Putnam questioned why their lawyers would call them to testify, suggesting it was "for the emotional response."

"I can't understand why bringing them to the stand has anything to do with whether or not Dr. Conrad Murray was hired by AEG or hired negligently. But perhaps they're bringing them to the stand for different reasons."

He bristled at the allegation, made by the Jackson lawyers in a court filing last month, that he was "behaving aggressively and erratically" in his questioning of Prince Jackson.
"We went out of our way to ensure we did precisely not that," Putnam said. "They may want to try to make the world believe that AEG Live is doing something inappropriate as to these children, but I'd ask the world to pause for a moment and look at what's actually happening here. They're the ones who are bringing this lawsuit and they're the ones who are saying they're going to put these children on the stand, something that I'm relatively certain their father would never, ever want to occur."

Jackson lawyers, he said, "are trying to sensationalize things that never happened" with their allegations about the way Prince was treated, he said. "I think in that scenario they're going to try to whip things up into a frenzy in the hopes that justice will not be served."

The only way AEG Live can lose the case, he said, "would be on an emotional basis outside of the facts."

Murray worked for Michael Jackson, not AEG, lawyer says

The key to AEG Live's defense is its contention that Murray was never an AEG employee but rather was chosen and paid by Michael Jackson for nearly four years until Jackson died.

While Murray has indicated he would invoke his Fifth Amendment right to avoid answering questions, Putnam pointed to the interview the doctor gave to police two days after Jackson's June 25, 2009, death. Murray told detectives it was his understanding that he was Jackson's employee, not AEG Live's, even though the concert promoter would be the party cutting his paychecks.

"He was chosen by Michael Jackson," Putnam said. "He was brought to Los Angeles by Michael Jackson. He had been Michael Jackson's long-time physician and continued in that capacity and was directed by him and could only be fired at will by him."

AEG Live became involved with Murray only after Jackson had persuaded him to join his "tour party" for the "This Is It" concerts, Putnam said. "Then what happens is AEG starts to go back and forth with him and his attorney, Dr. Conrad Murray, with drafts of contracts."

Although Murray began treating Jackson six days a week in May, it was only the night before Jackson's death that Murray signed a contract. AEG executives and Jackson never signed it, Putnam said. The Jackson lawyers will argue the signed contract was not necessary to establish employment.

The unsigned contract and the oral understanding with Murray called for the doctor to be paid $150,000 a month while he served as Jackson's personal physician while he performed 50 shows at London's O2 Arena in the second half of 2009 and into 2010.

AEG's role was like MasterCard, lawyer says

AEG Live's role with Murray was only to "forward" money owed to him by Jackson, just as a patient would use their "MasterCard," Putnam said. "If you go to your doctor and you pay with a credit card, obviously MasterCard in that instance, depending on your credit card, is providing the money to that doctor for services until you pay it back. Now, are you telling them MasterCard in some measure in that instance, did MasterCard hire the doctor or did you? Well, clearly you did. I think the analogy works in this instance."

In fact, Putnam said, he learned during the discovery process that Michael Jackson was paying Murray during the last two months of his life. "He was paying for him during his entire time in Los Angeles and during the time we're talking about, Dr. Conrad Murray was being paid by Michael Jackson," he said. "We know this. We know this because the plaintiffs have said so."

The revelation that Jackson paid Murray during that period has not been reported. Jackson lawyers declined to comment, citing ethical limitations to their ability to talk to the media about the case.

E-mails reveal AEG's involvement, Jacksons say

A cornerstone of the Jacksons' case is an e-mail AEG Live Co-CEO Paul Gongaware wrote 11 days before Jackson's death. The e-mail to show director Kenny Ortega addressed concerns that Murray had kept Jackson from a rehearsal the day before: "We want to remind (Murray) that it is AEG, not MJ, who is paying his salary. We want to remind him what is expected of him."

Jackson lawyers argue the e-mail is evidence that AEG Live used Murray's fear of losing his lucrative job as Jackson's personal physician to pressure him to have Jackson ready for rehearsals despite his fragile health.

The AEG Live lawyers say the Jackson lawyers have "taken it completely out of context." Gongaware and the others were only concerned with making sure Murray had all the help he needed, such as perhaps a physical therapist or a nutritionist for his patient, Putnam said.

"Not only was there no such pressure, there couldn't be in a professional relationship," Putnam said in his CNN interview. "To say that that was the case would say that a doctor in some measure was not abiding by his Hippocratic Oath. If there's a professional who's providing a service for you, others outside of that professional relationship may go to that person, as you might any doctor and say, 'Are you doing all the things necessary for Mr. Jackson?' That doesn't apply pressure or control."

Ortega, who had worked closely with Jackson on previous tours, sounded a loud warning about his health after Jackson showed up for a rehearsal shivering just over a week before his death. He wrote in an e-mail to AEG Live President Randy Phillips: "It is like there are two people there. One (deep inside) trying to hold on to what he was and still can be and not wanting us to quit him, the other in this weakened and troubled state. I believe we need professional guidance in this matter."

In the e-mail, which was disclosed during Ortega's testimony at Murray's criminal trial, the show director also said he was worried about "real emotional stuff" Jackson appeared to be dealing with. "Everything in me says he should be psychologically evaluated," he wrote. Ortega said Jackson had "strong signs of paranoia, anxiety and obsessive-like behavior" and suggested they hire a "top psychiatrist in to evaluate him ASAP."

AEG Live worried about the flu, not drugs, lawyer says

The Ortega e-mail was not sounding an alarm about Jackson's health but just telling Phillips that Jackson was suffering "flu-like symptoms," Putnam said.
"Mr. Jackson was not in a position to get up on the stage and do the rehearsal because he had flu-like symptoms," Putnam said. "He was cold, he was shaky and as a result he didn't perform that evening."

"People were worried about that flu," so AEG Live executives called a meeting with Jackson and Murray the next day at Jackson's home to discuss it, he said.
"So Mr. Phillips went to that meeting at Mr. Jackson's home, that would be on the 20th of June, that's five days before Mr. Jackson passed," Putnam said. "And they got there, and Mr. Jackson was emphatic about the idea that he was great. 'You guys are all worrying about nothing. Look at me. I am fine.'"

Phillips sent Ortega a glowing endorsement of Murray: "This doctor is extremely successful (we check everyone out) and does not need this gig so he is totally unbiased and ethical."

The flu scare was one of only "a couple of occasions" that AEG Live's president had to be concerned about Jackson's health, Putnam said.

Other than "little instances like that," there "was nothing that ultimately gave rise any time before Mr. Jackson's death that there was any problem with Mr. Jackson," he said.

AEG Live would not have rushed Jackson, lawyer says

If there had been a health problem with Jackson, AEG Live would have had no problem postponing the start of the tour, he said.

"AEG Live had already moved the concerts because they weren't going to be ready in time for early July because of the number of set pieces Mr. Jackson wanted," he said. "There would be no rush for AEG Live to have to get to the stage by, I think at that point, by July 13th. If there was a problem here AEG wanted to know there was a problem because they could simply move the concerts."

The 50 shows were to be spread out over a year in the O2 Arena, which AEG owned and controlled, he said. "AEG had no interest in rushing to get to July 13th. On the contrary, if there was an issue they would have wanted to know."

What did Randy Phillips know?

An earlier e-mail leaked to the Los Angeles Times last year suggests that AEG Live's president saw Jackson's problems first-hand the day the pop star was to appear at the O2 Arena to publicly announce the shows. "MJ is locked in his room drunk and despondent," Phillips wrote in a March 5, 2009, e-mail to AEG Live's parent company, the paper reported. "I (am) trying to sober him up."

"I screamed at him so loud the walls are shaking," Phillips wrote. "He is an emotionally paralyzed mess riddled with self-loathing and doubt now that it is show time."
Despite this, Putnam insisted that Phillips was "incredibly impressed" and "saw a really engaged, interested, very smart, and savvy Michael Jackson."

The AEG Live chief had only "certain limited encounters" with Jackson in the months leading up to the scheduled shows, but he did get glowing reports, Putnam said. "Mr. Phillips kept hearing from various people in the tour party from rehearsals, and practices and meetings with various promoters, meetings with people who were going to do clothes, makeup, things of that nature," he said. "It was the same, that Mr. Jackson was incredibly engaged, was incredibly interested and seemed great."

AEG Live executives also had "no indication at any point that there was a problem with Conrad Murray," Putnam said. "He was licensed in four states. He had never been reprimanded. There were no indicators or warning signs of a problem. "

"Mr. Phillips had met him once, and he seemed quite happy that this was a fine, outstanding doctor in all appearances and he liked that fact," Putnam said. "And he liked that fact that he didn't appear to be a sycophant."

Trial judge thinks Jackson may have a case

Palazuelos, in her ruling rejecting an AEG Live's request to have the case thrown out, said she agreed that the Jackson lawyers had provided evidence that AEG Live didn't do "a sufficient background check of Dr. Murray, which would have established that Murray was deeply in debt."

Jackson's previous relationship with Murray, who treated him and his children for minor illnesses in Las Vegas, did not relieve AEG Live of liability, "although the fact may be relevant in determining proportional liability and damages," she said.

While the AEG Live lawyers argued the company could not have foreseen that Murray might use dangerous drugs on Jackson in preparation for the tour, Palazuelos said there was evidence that Gongaware had "previous tour experiences" with Jackson in which "tour doctors" gave "large amounts of drugs/controlled substances to him."

Gongaware testified in Murray's trial that he worked as tour manager for Jackson's "Dangerous" and "History" tours before joining AEG Live. The judge cited "Gongaware's general knowledge of the ethical issues surrounding 'tour doctors' and the practice of administering drugs to performing artists."

"There is a triable issue of fact as to whether it was foreseeable that such a physician under strong financial pressure may compromise his Hippocratic Oath and do what was known by AEG Live's executives to be an unfortunate practice in the entertainment industry for financial gain," the judge wrote.


http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/01/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/index.html
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on April 01, 2013, 07:14:39 PM
Blankie, I totally agree that MJ moves things from behind the red curtain.  He has his people (wealthy & powerful) in place, and as MJ (and Front) has said before, "Good, they're falling right into my trap!"
The popcorn is going to have to get popped and ready!

I believe that AEG are actually part of the Sting (bait) to catch bigger criminals. I've long thought Randy Phillips is in on the hoax.
Really when you think about it, AEG were not the ones who helped to ruin MJ's life--rather they were the Chandlers, D Dimond, Sneddon, Arvisos, Bashir, (and more) and the ones who hired them--Illuminati, Bankers, Vatican, etc.

RK
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Here is Diane Dimond's first installment of slanderous crap from the daily beast.....actually she is a beast....daily...but that's an insult to all animals. :icon_twisted:
Hes
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Dimond could be the high priestess of shit throwing where Michael is concerned.
:icon_lol:  I love it when things are heating up!!  Since I wasn't interested/following the 2005 trial, and since I'm aware now of MJ's amazing abilities as an ALIVE ghost, and passionate about MJ being victorious now, this is so very exciting!  We KNOW that MJ is going to win over his enemies!  Go Michael!  We love you!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on April 01, 2013, 08:00:31 PM
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This is a man who said he slept in an oxygen chamber."


And this man is an idiot, I am referring to Putnam
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: hesouttamylife on April 01, 2013, 09:25:37 PM
Geez  :icon_e_confused: the MJ advocates on twitter are really going for the jugular and at odds with each other about this case.  Everyone from Ivy4mj, Muzikfactory_2, MJAP, Charles Thompson, you name them and they are on there duking it out.  They have gone from debating Jermaine being a pedophile to debating if Katherine is a greedy bitch  :icon_eek: and everything in between.  This is going to be a rocky road and many are taking the stance (MJ fans albeit) that it serves the Jacksons right to lose & lose big for daring to go against a powerhouse like AEG.  I think I’ll take a break from there for a while.  It’s downright embarrassing  :icon_pale:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on April 01, 2013, 10:59:23 PM
This reminds me again of the recent movie, Silver Linings Playlist, that I saw.  Paris' tweet of the title, and TMZ article of the Eagles wanting Paris, establishes the clear connection we are supposed to get between the hoax and the movie. There was the bold "Jackson" jersey shirt and the 2 time mention of "reading the signs".  Then the Dad says "we're following a trail of bread crumbs". Right then when they are talking all these coincidences and signs, Pat's father says, "The whole family has put everything in this". (I'm thinking the whole Jackson family.)  All or nothing kind of thing.  The Dad does a major bet, counting on the coincidental stats that Tiffany geniusly talks about. Because the Eagles win on a certain December (forgot date) and Pat and Tiffany's dance routine wins a judges panel of 5.0 average, they gain everything back and more that he had lost before, and everything turns out great.  Go Jackson family!!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Adi on April 02, 2013, 01:13:03 AM
hmmmmm..... interesting in light of the AEG trial about to begin and the "bigger" purpose of it as well as the interview of Dr Murray....Paris has just tweeted:

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Paris Jacksoη ‏@ParisJackson 35m
karma.
Hopefully she means karma for all the lowlife scum that tried to bring her father down....I really, really hope this trial is going to be IT!!!

I hope karma is about to turn around and bite them on their big, fat, ugly arses, chew 'em up and spit 'em out..... grrrrrrrr!

:icon_evil:  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: shorty on April 02, 2013, 01:22:45 AM

Adi........... :th_bravo:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on April 03, 2013, 06:49:07 AM
Jackson Family vs. AEG Live trial beings, what can you expect?
WRITTEN BY: LMJ ADMIN ON APRIL 2, 2013    NO COMMENT

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Four years after Michael Jackson’s death, jury selection began on Tuesday (April 2) in the wrongful death suit
 filed by Michael’s family against concert promoter AEG Live.
While the Jacksons claim that the company behind the planned 50-date ‘This Is It’ show in London should be held responsible for his death on June 25, 2009, AEG is expected to argue that Michael Jackson was to blame for his passing at age 50.

Jackson family claims:

*AEG Live is to blame for hiring Conrad Murray who killed Michael with a Propofol lethal dose
*Judge determined that lawyers for the estate provided enough evidence that AEG was negligent in hiring Murray
*AEG shouldhave known Murray used dangerous combinations of prescription drugs
*e-mail sent by AEG’s co-CEO 11 days before Michael died, “We want to remind (Murray) that it is AEG, not MJ, who is paying his salary,” read the e-mail. “We want to remind him what is expected of him.”
*financial compensation for what MJ could have earned the rest of his life
*AEG traded on Murray’s fear of losing his lucrative job and pressured him to do whatever it took to get Michael ready for the concerts.
In rejecting AEG Live’s earlier attempt to have the suit thrown out, the judge in the case said she agree with the Jackson lawyers that AEG Live didn’t do a sufficient enough background check on Murray, which would have revealed that he was deeply in debt.

“There is a triable issue of fact as to whether it was foreseeable that such a physician under strong financial pressure may compromise his Hippocratic Oath and do what was known by AEG Live’s executives to be an unfortunate practice in the entertainment industry for financial gain,” the judge wrote.

 
AEG Live’s defense:

*It was Michael Jackson who hired Murray, not AEG.
*MJ paid Murray’s bills for nearly four years.
*Michael had a long history of erratic behavior.
*AEG is expected to paint a picture of chronic drug use.
*AEG lawyer Marvin Putnam: “I don’t know how you can’t look to Mr. Jackson’s responsibility there,” … “He was a grown man … Mr. Jackson is a person who was known to doctor shop. He was known to be someone who would tell one doctor one thing and another doctor something else.”
*Murray only signed with AEG the night before Michael’s death, AEG executives never signed the contract.
Before jury selection began on Tuesday morning, the judge in the case was scheduled to hear arguments to allow TV cameras in the courtroom. Murray, who is serving a four year jail term, has said he might invoke his Fifth Amendment right to avoid answering questions in the wrongful death suit. But Putnam noted that in an interview with police two days after Michael’s death Murray said he was Jackson’s employee, not AEG’s, even though the promoter was expected to cut paychecks equaling $150,000 a month.

Putnam said he learned during the discovery process that Jackson was personally paying Murray during the last two months of his life, a claim that Jackson’s lawyers declined to comment on. He also said that the so-called “smoking gun”
 email from Gongaware was no such thing because a doctor’s Hippocratic Oath would not allow him to do anything that might harm his patient.

http://www.legendarymichaeljackson.nl/news/jackson-family-vs-aeg-live-trial-beings-what-can-you-expect/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LegendaryMichaelJackson+%28Legendary+Michael+Jackson+Fan+Associ
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on April 03, 2013, 09:05:20 AM
 Sharon Osborne said she had had conversations with certain people in AEG that told her they knew he wasn't well, but were going to press forward anyway with putting the tour on. Then she said if the Jackson's wanted, she'd come forward to tell them who it was that told her that.Really ?   :icon_question: ???

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQcUuU0OUJw[/youtube]

It's funny how Sharon didn't bring that up when michael died  :LolLolLolLol:..
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: LOVEforMJ1995 on April 03, 2013, 09:57:09 AM
Wooooo go Sharon! & Thank you for standing up for our Michael  :)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on April 03, 2013, 10:27:42 AM
Sharon has to be in the list of witnesses
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on April 03, 2013, 06:02:57 PM
The whole cast    :icon_razz:


http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/01/showbiz/jackson-death-trial       
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: wishingstar on April 04, 2013, 01:12:22 PM
Everyone is talking about Randy Philips and  Paul Gongaware of AEG.  I have a question.......
from things that I have been reading, Philip Anschutz, was the one that truly partnered with Michael.
He is the owner of AEG........Anschutz Entertainment Group.  He hasn't really been mentioned too much. 
I understand the divisions of AEG and all.......but, if it came down to Michael and him forming the
concerts, why hasn't anyone brought him up?  I would think he'd also be a major player in this.......not just
the executives.  Isn't it odd that he is on the potential witness list for Miss Katherine....not AEG? 



Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on April 04, 2013, 06:20:59 PM
Diana Ross and Lisa Marie Presley on Witness List in Michael Jackson Wrongful Death Trial

April 04, 2013 06:29:26 GMT

(http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/news/diana-ross-and-lisa-marie-presley-on-witness-list-in-michael-jackson-wrongful-death-trial.jpg)

Diana Ross and Lisa Marie Presley are expected to make appearances in Michael Jackson wrongful death trial that pits the famous family with giant concert promoter AEG Live. According to ET, Diana who was a close friend of Michael's and Lisa who was once married to the late singer are on the witness list.

Producer Quincy Jones who frequently worked with the King of Pop on his albums including 1987's "Bad", and filmmaker Spike Lee who helped put together a 2012 documentary film about the 25th anniversary of the monster album are on the witness list as well along with Katherine Jackson, Paris, Prince and Blanket.

Michael's mother Katherine and his children filed a lawsuit against AEG Live in September 2010. The family sued the promoter over the hiring of Dr. Conrad Murray who was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in the King of Pop's untimely death. They're seeking a reported $40 billion for loss of future earnings and other damages.

In a pre-trial, judge said the defendants were allowed to revisit Michael's dark past in the sex abuse case, where MJ was acquitted on all counts, as it might be relevant to the late singer's history of drug abuse and despondency. Jury selections started Tuesday, April 2.

http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00059206.html
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on April 04, 2013, 08:21:11 PM
http://amradaronline.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/katherine-jackson-vs-aeg-jury-questionnaire.pdf
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: use_your_illusion on April 05, 2013, 01:36:43 AM
Looking at the witnesses and why they were chosen, is slowly leading me to believe that Jordy will testify in this trial. Think about it, if this is the home stretch in the hoax and this trial is to do with the hoax and if this trial will bring up the molestation trial, well then who better to bring up the past history of MJ's trials then Jordy. This case seems to me that it's heading in a way that will put MJ on trial...on trial to CLEAR HIS NAME.

I'm sure this trial promises to be explosive just by looking at the way it's all heading. Lol, if we thought Murray's trial was the beginning, or the most thrilling trial ever, just wait for this one to step into court.
This isn't just a trial, its a goddamn circus.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on April 05, 2013, 12:33:01 PM
If we hear from Jordy the prophecy will be complete.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on April 05, 2013, 01:46:20 PM
Today's news!
http://www.masala.com/13250-jordy-chander-denies-jackson-sex-abuse

Still doesn't explain why Evan did this; he is only the "finger of a hand", people who wanted him to destroy Michael. Why a similar situation happened in 2003 with a different 'poor' family, why Bashir, Sneddon, and the media (much under Rupert Murdock) rallied together as one, determined to 'crucify' Michael no matter the cost or time involvement.  This confession only opens the door to more important questions. This "could be the end...It isn't. It's the beginning."
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: hesouttamylife on April 05, 2013, 02:28:16 PM
It’s interesting that all the people who were conveniently absent during Michael’s tribulations are coming together for this trial.  It feels like vindication!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on April 05, 2013, 02:31:15 PM
^^^ I'm confused - why is that article dated today yet the comments below it go back to 2009??
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: wishingstar on April 05, 2013, 02:57:01 PM
I can't seem to shake the feeling that one goal, was to get AEG on trial.  However, at first I was thinking because maybe they had ties to the allegations....negatively.  Now I am not so sure.  I also think it's odd that it's always Randy and Paul talked about...the heads.  But they are not the owners of AEG.....Philip Anschutz is.  I think there is way more to this guy and Michael.  Like AEG...I had first thought it was negative.  Now, not so sure........read up on this article here.  He seemed to be a film visionary as well:

http://observer.com/2001/03/new-movie-tycoon-philip-anschutz-wants-to-make-celluloid-obsolete/ (http://observer.com/2001/03/new-movie-tycoon-philip-anschutz-wants-to-make-celluloid-obsolete/)

Just how much of a visionary is he........
if, back in 2001 he was talked about as wanting to reinvent the film industry, wouldn't Michael have wanted to meet with him? 
If he's such powerhouse, media mogul type.......I can imagine Michael being very interested in talking to him. 
Did they organize this adventure together.....in part to help clear Michael's good name?  If it was the goal to get AEG on trial, and all these
witnesses might come forth with new things/revelations about the allegations.....it could work very well. 
I wonder where the 4 years fits in?  Was that the timeframe they gave themselves, or is there some sort of legal aspect? 
Hummmmmm...have to read more on that one.......
I can't help but think we are starting to see the fingers of this very big hand.....who knew what....and when.  Is Sony the target......did Michael
outsmart them?  I hope so..........I almost don't want to talk about it here.  Prying eyes and all..............

Blessings Always
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: mindseye on April 05, 2013, 03:14:31 PM
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^^^ I'm confused - why is that article dated today yet the comments below it go back to 2009??

Because it's an old story published Sunday, 05 July 2009

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It’s interesting that all the people who were conveniently absent during Michael’s tribulations are coming together for this trial.  It feels like vindication!

It does feel like that, and rewinding back to CNN's first footage of MJ rehearsals 'They don't care about us' - now it looks to me like he's the rounding up of the troops, MJ wants everyone there to be part of this show, plus more publicity. I hope Jordy or someone close to him will talk soon.

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Everyone is talking about Randy Philips and  Paul Gongaware of AEG.  I have a question.......
from things that I have been reading, Philip Anschutz, was the one that truly partnered with Michael.
He is the owner of AEG........Anschutz Entertainment Group.  He hasn't really been mentioned too much. 
I understand the divisions of AEG and all.......but, if it came down to Michael and him forming the
concerts, why hasn't anyone brought him up?  I would think he'd also be a major player in this.......not just
the executives.  Isn't it odd that he is on the potential witness list for Miss Katherine....not AEG? 

Good point. Interesting and strange. 
wishingstar... so true! Now I see how AEG could be in this hoax.  Philip Anschutz must have known something to be part of the hoax.  :icon_question: :icon_e_confused:

Just reflecting back...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THQDBQpZ9AM[/youtube]
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on April 05, 2013, 03:18:44 PM
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^^^ I'm confused - why is that article dated today yet the comments below it go back to 2009??


The article was originally written in July 2009, which makes sense timeframe-wise because that's when I remember hearing this news, although it certainly wasn't making headlines... So that website either re-posted it today or it just has the current date at the top.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on April 05, 2013, 05:10:13 PM
For those that might have any doubt about who hired Doctor CM, Michael or AEG, here Randy Philips says it very clear ➜ AEG hired CM , WOW we are on the right track  :woohoo2:



[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d8KZZDnGk0[/youtube]

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on April 06, 2013, 03:26:09 AM
Thanks Sweet! Clear video!

Andrea and Curls, I’m thinking maybe like ‘bumping’ an article they want to get people’s attention, that maybe got missed the first time.

Wish, I agree with you.  SOTT said ‘this’ time, he (MJ) has gotten powerful friends on his side.  Philip Anschutz is pershaps one, some others in the middle east, and more.
Randy Phillips has IMO said several very hoax things (not in the above video).
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Adi on April 06, 2013, 06:15:36 AM
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Wish, I agree with you.  SOTT said ‘this’ time, he (MJ) has gotten powerful friends on his side.  Philip Anschutz is pershaps one, some others in the middle east, and more.
Randy Phillips has IMO said several very hoax things
(not in the above video).

Agree.....SOTT said something along the lines of Michael having Corporate backing this time around - all the SOTT quotes below are from here where they have been archived:  http://truenewszone.wordpress.com/2012/08/22/sott-lttw-archive-2002/

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Michael may be made to look stupid, and sometimes he plays along or promotes that notion… but its all done with agenda. Spend some time with Michael, in a business environment, and soon you see that the man is cunning, and his persona is meant to decieve the people that he needs to take to the cleaners… Michael knows what he’s doing. He knows the game. He knows who he’s playing and how he must play. Sony may be taking his pawns, but in the end, the black King will reign, and checkmate will be called on the corporate powers that be.


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Ever heard of Enron?

Remember that question, because there is more to the tale of Sony Vs. MJ than you have been led to believe. The corporate suits have much more to lose than Michael Jackson leaving. Much more. They have done some deeds, and Michael can make them pay the price. Trust me on that one. I’m not talking about wrongdoings to Michael, Mariah, or George Michael. I’m talking about things far more serious. Wait and see.

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I just wish I could spill everything to you guys, but I can’t….its going to get hot in herre, and its not Nelly who’s ass will be on fire. If, with corporate backing, Michael can supersede the political and legal crap, Sony will be exposed… and there will be more than just firings. Their wrongdoings, I have been told in detail, are very very very serious. Michael knows too much. Michael has corporate backing. Sony’s corporate suits are trembling as they try to destroy Mike Jack.

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Let’s just say that Michael’s original attempt was foiled, because corporate money and power is too much for any individual, including Michael Jackson. But Michael is far from stupid. He has aligned himself with a big unit, and I’m neither talking about Fayed, Cochran, or Sharpton. Michael has been trying to relaunch what he failed to accomplish in attempt one. But this time, he has corporate backing… believe me when I tell you, Sony shook the first time Michael tried, and undertook initiatives to have it blocked, and Michael’s attempt originally got lost and blocked in legalities and corporate politics.

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Music is not Michael’s concern right now… he has responsibilities to his people, to his stake in Sony Publishing. That has a billion dollar price tag, and he has a responsibity. Remember, Michael may own half of Sony’s publishing, but the business aspects are all taken care of by Sony. Lets just say that Michael wasn’t sleeping when Sony thought he was asleep.

AT THIS POINT, FANS SHOULD DO NOTHING. JUST, STAY AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE FANBASE, AND WELCOME THE KING OF POP WHEN MUSIC IS AGAIN HIS NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.
Right now, just hang in there.

Just as Paris told us to do in her Pink Floyd t-shirt picture and writing on the wall (mirror) "hang in there"

In fact re-reading those SOTT posts, in light of the AEG stuff coming out, yet again makes me wonder WTF is/was really going on. If SOTT really was an insider on MJ's side or even MJ himself...then what exactly did MJ uncover - or know?!

Interesting to go back and re-read them in light of this trial and I wonder really if it is in fact AEG who are the "baddies" .....thinking of these posts by SOTT, maybe they aren't.......   http://truenewszone.wordpress.com/2012/08/22/sott-lttw-archive-2002/

Maybe AEG *IS* the Corporate backing!?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on April 06, 2013, 09:24:24 AM
Thanks Adi good exposure, "HANG IN THERE = SLOTH" check Paris' twitter  :icon_lol:

So finally AEG trial will not be televised:

Judge: No cameras in Michael Jackson death trial
By Alan Duke, CNN
April 6, 2013 -- Updated 0140 GMT (0940 HKT)

This caught my attention:

Jackson lawyers argued in favor of having a camera in court, saying it would be the best way for the world to see justice done.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/05/showbiz/jackson-death-trial-camera/?hpt=en_c2

ps: have you noticed Michael wearing a bulletproof vest during his concert in the pic on the above link??  :affraid:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on April 19, 2013, 05:49:49 PM
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4h
Jury pool has 74 people now. If juror 7 gets dismissed, it will be 73.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4h
Another woman told the judge she had an emergency at her house, with cops present, and was immediately excused.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4h
We started the day with 76 jurors in the pool. A woman with medical appointments coming up and with strong opinions against MJ was dismissed

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4h
There's indication juror 7 will be dismissed and new one will take his place. We're on stand by.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4h
Judge and attorneys now talking to juror 7 in private. All the other jurors have been excused until after lunch break.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4h
Juror 7 said he's not ashamed of discussing his issues, but believes the jurors deserve an apology for attorneys digging into their lives

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4h
Juror 7 expressed frustration for all the probative questions in the questionnaire and personally. He said this is beyond civic jury

Who is Juror 7  :icon_question: :icon_exclaim:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on April 19, 2013, 08:10:24 PM
Who is Juror 7  :icon_question: :icon_exclaim:

Verrry interesting indeed......  And it is a "he", he sure isn't afraid to speak up his mind.  I agree with his statements. 
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on April 20, 2013, 12:00:54 AM
No. 7 sings, "I need my privacy, I need my privacy..."
And how come the woman juror doesn't get a number?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on April 20, 2013, 02:54:05 PM
Good observation MJonmind.  It's so uncanny how the number 7 is given special attention over and over again.  But then again it could just be a coincidence.......
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on April 21, 2013, 01:24:42 AM
A big to-do over juror 7 isn't a coincidence anymore then reducing the juror pool to 77 was.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: underthemoon on April 21, 2013, 06:08:49 AM
Where is Joe Jackson in this trial ? Not on the witness list ?
He makes his own fight against Motown ?

http://www.jacksondocumentary.com/Jackson_Documentary/Home.html

The next week will be very exiting ?

Wait and watch.....with Love  :bearhug:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on April 21, 2013, 06:51:26 AM
The witness list is seriously exciting me!  :ghsdf:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on April 21, 2013, 10:48:21 PM
It's a veritable Who's Who of hoax participants!
The Architect in 4 days is going to be good too!  Lots more 'whispers'!
Sure wished TS or Front made an appearance! Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Sweetangel on April 22, 2013, 02:29:01 PM
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A big to-do over juror 7 isn't a coincidence anymore then reducing the juror pool to 77 was.

Yep bec exact my thoughts.

Interesting what was said about Juror 14

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 16 Apr

Juror 14: child taken from sister at birth 4 using narcotics while pregnant. No opinion either way about lawsuits. Ni prob w/ large verdict


ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 16 Apr

Juror 7: met MJ at a charity event in 2001 with Liz Taylor. Thinks he was very shy and very uncomfortable w/ large crowds

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 19 Apr

For debate whether juror 7 will be replaced by juror 14 or brand new one. Judge to decide if his excuse was for cause or hardship.

14+7=21 or 777  :LolLolLolLol:

Threre is a lot of changing of the Jurors to confusing to post, you better read it for yourself.


Much Peace and Love to everyone.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on April 22, 2013, 03:31:56 PM
"Good observation MJonmind.  It's so uncanny how the number 7 is given special attention over and over again.  But then again it could just be a coincidence......."

Bec, with this sentence I was making a joke, as in a sarcastic remark.  It looks like I wasn't able to get my message across....
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on April 25, 2013, 03:22:55 AM
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Andrea« Reply #144 on: April 02, 2013, 08:58:02 AM »

Prince and Paris Jackson to testify about dad's last days

The wrongful death trial, which could last several months, is expected to include testimony from Jackson's mother and his two oldest children, Prince and Paris.
Putnam questioned why their lawyers would call them to testify, suggesting it was "for the emotional response."

"I can't understand why bringing them to the stand has anything to do with whether or not Dr. Conrad Murray was hired by AEG or hired negligently. But perhaps they're bringing them to the stand for different reasons."

He bristled at the allegation, made by the Jackson lawyers in a court filing last month, that he was "behaving aggressively and erratically" in his questioning of Prince Jackson.
"We went out of our way to ensure we did precisely not that," Putnam said. "They may want to try to make the world believe that AEG Live is doing something inappropriate as to these children, but I'd ask the world to pause for a moment and look at what's actually happening here. They're the ones who are bringing this lawsuit and they're the ones who are saying they're going to put these children on the stand, something that I'm relatively certain their father would never, ever want to occur."

Jackson lawyers, he said, "are trying to sensationalize things that never happened" with their allegations about the way Prince was treated, he said. "I think in that scenario they're going to try to whip things up into a frenzy in the hopes that justice will not be served."

The only way AEG Live can lose the case, he said, "would be on an emotional basis outside of the facts."


Please listen what Jackie Jackson recently had to say about Michael's 2 sons and the day Michael supposedly died    :omg:  :WTF: (starting 9:38) .

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAUGb6ZDHPg[/youtube]
 

So where were the kids really ????? At Carolwood Drive or in Las Vegas,and what is all this bad acting/laughing while speaking about Michael's death  :LolLolLolLol:   :WTF: ???? STRANGE again/nothing makes sense anymore regarding this "DEATH"  :Pulling_hair:  :screaming-7365:  :argue:  :LolLolLolLol: !!!!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: reveron1958 on April 25, 2013, 05:21:49 AM
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Andrea« Reply #144 on: April 02, 2013, 08:58:02 AM »

Prince and Paris Jackson to testify about dad's last days

The wrongful death trial, which could last several months, is expected to include testimony from Jackson's mother and his two oldest children, Prince and Paris.
Putnam questioned why their lawyers would call them to testify, suggesting it was "for the emotional response."

"I can't understand why bringing them to the stand has anything to do with whether or not Dr. Conrad Murray was hired by AEG or hired negligently. But perhaps they're bringing them to the stand for different reasons."

He bristled at the allegation, made by the Jackson lawyers in a court filing last month, that he was "behaving aggressively and erratically" in his questioning of Prince Jackson.
"We went out of our way to ensure we did precisely not that," Putnam said. "They may want to try to make the world believe that AEG Live is doing something inappropriate as to these children, but I'd ask the world to pause for a moment and look at what's actually happening here. They're the ones who are bringing this lawsuit and they're the ones who are saying they're going to put these children on the stand, something that I'm relatively certain their father would never, ever want to occur."

Jackson lawyers, he said, "are trying to sensationalize things that never happened" with their allegations about the way Prince was treated, he said. "I think in that scenario they're going to try to whip things up into a frenzy in the hopes that justice will not be served."

The only way AEG Live can lose the case, he said, "would be on an emotional basis outside of the facts."


Please listen what Jackie Jackson recently had to say about Michael's 2 sons and the day Michael supposedly died    :omg:  :WTF: (starting 9:38) .

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAUGb6ZDHPg[/youtube]
 

So where were the kids really ????? At Carolwood Drive or in Las Vegas,and what is all this bad acting/laughing while speaking about Michael's death  :LolLolLolLol:   :WTF: ???? STRANGE again/nothing makes sense anymore regarding this "DEATH"  :Pulling_hair:  :screaming-7365:  :argue:  :LolLolLolLol: !!!!


 :WTF:

 :Pulling_hair:

Is it possible it was only Blanket that was with him? Have we heard anything about the whereabouts of Blanket that day - I just don't remember hearing anything about him actually.  :icon_e_confused:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on April 25, 2013, 06:29:43 AM
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So where were the kids really ????? At Carolwood Drive or in Las Vegas,


I asked the same question when I first saw this interview. People who responded thought he was nodding towards Jermaine (I think) as he started talking and was therefore refering to Jermaine's sons, not Michael's.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: reveron1958 on April 25, 2013, 09:56:06 AM
 :LolLolLolLol:

You are right Curls. Watching it again properly (rather than just listening the first time  :icon_redface:) I can clearly see him nod to Jermaine and again when he says he was getting on a plane he is referring to Jermaine.

Thanks for putting us right!  :smiley_abuv:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on April 25, 2013, 10:59:27 AM
Where were the children? I always have thought that they were not in Carolwood that day
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Thriller4ever on April 25, 2013, 11:24:40 AM
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Where were the children? I always have thought that they were not in Carolwood that day
i always thought they were in carolwood and then inthe hoapital with katherine....atleast that's what Latoya said.  ???
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on April 25, 2013, 02:41:34 PM
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Where were the children? I always have thought that they were not in Carolwood that day
i always thought they were in carolwood and then inthe hoapital with katherine....atleast that's what Latoya said.  ???




And Michael was in the hospital?, perhaps the children went to the hospital,..to save appearances
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on April 25, 2013, 04:18:24 PM
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So where were the kids really ????? At Carolwood Drive or in Las Vegas,


I asked the same question when I first saw this interview. People who responded thought he was nodding towards Jermaine (I think) as he started talking and was therefore refering to Jermaine's sons, not Michael's.
Yep, you can clearly see him nod to Jermaine when he says it.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: StrangerInCalifornia on April 25, 2013, 09:33:23 PM
??? Did anybody see these tweets from @ABC7Courts??

Before defense's motions were discussed, the attorneys for both sides had a heated discussion about whether Michael Jackson is indeed dead
4:29pm - 24 Apr 13

Jacksons attorney said "MJ is still alive, according to AEG." This was a jab at AEG's attorney who didn't stipulate to dismiss a juror yest
4:31pm - 24 Apr 13

Juror answered in the questionnaire that he wasn't sure Michael Jackson was dead. AEG's atty told judge comment was taken out of context
4:32pm - 24 Apr 13

Sorry if this has already been discussed. I looked around and didn't see it.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on April 25, 2013, 10:04:44 PM
@ stranger, there is more discussion on this under the LA times / AEG trial thread  :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: RK on April 26, 2013, 02:39:38 AM
Roger Friedman's already getting ugly and the trial hasn't started yet.
 http://www.showbiz411.com/2013/04/25/exclusive-jackson-family-met-in-secret-to-discuss-possible-windfall-from-aeg-trial (http://www.showbiz411.com/2013/04/25/exclusive-jackson-family-met-in-secret-to-discuss-possible-windfall-from-aeg-trial)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on April 26, 2013, 11:10:11 AM
Roger Friedman is scum of the earth, sorry to be so blunt.   He has been living off of celebrity All of his life and is continuing to do so.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on April 26, 2013, 06:41:56 PM
 @  paula-c                     Where were the children? I always have thought that they were not in Carolwood that day

Me too always thought the same thing ....   :icon_rolleyes:



I found this...

The Michael Jackson wrongful death lawsuit trial is now set to begin Monday, April 29, in Los Angeles, after the final six alternate jurors were seated yesterday. Michael died in 2009 from a lethal dose of anesthetic propofol, allegedly administered by his personal physician Dr. Conrad Murray, who was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in 2011. Jackson’s family is suing concert promoter AEG Live for damages over his death in the hiring of Dr. Murray to oversee Michael as he prepared for a 50 date London concert tour. One of the oddest moments already occurred when the defense team refused to stipulate that Jackson is indeed dead, according to the Los Angeles Times on Tuesday, April 23.

On Tuesday, AEG attorney Marvin Putnam said he would not stipulate that Michael Jackson was dead. Jackson was frequently the subject of eccentricities and odd behavior, and now even in death it seems we’re already getting a glimpse into how surreal this trial may get.It’s believed the trial could be quite sensational, given the superstar status of Michael Jackson’s legacy, being pitted against the entertainment powerhouse company. The Jackson family has already described AEG as a, “heartless, money-driven machine”, in court papers.

They claim the promoters pushed Michael past his physical limits in preparing for a tour he was too frail to embark upon. The singer died on June 25, 2009, just two weeks before the series was set to begin in London.

Once Superior Court Judge Yvette M. Palazuelos announced the jury had been impaneled, the rest of the jury pool erupted in cheers, knowing they would not have to spend the next several months hearing the civil wrongful death case.

Michael Jackson's 82 year-old mother Katherine, along with his children Prince, Paris and Blanket, are suing L.A. entertainment giant AEG, alleging liability for Jackson’s death because they hired and supervised Dr. Conrad Murray.

He was convicted of using the powerful surgical anesthetic in an effort to help the singer cope with chronic insomnia, but just recently filed an appeal in his case alleging errors were made at his trial.

Some of the famous names announced as potential witnesses are singer Prince, Dianna Ross and ex-wife Lisa-Marie Presley. Bio mom to Michael’s eldest two kids, Debbie Rowe, is also expected to testify.

Other named witnesses include Dr. Conrad Murray himself, who is named by both sides, according to E! News. Jackson’s children, 16 year-old Prince and 15 year-old Paris are also expected to take the stand.

A judge has already dismissed several of the lawsuit's original claims, but allowed the allegation that AEG was negligent in hiring Conrad Murray to go forward. AEG is denying they had an employment contract with Murray.

The Jackson family is seeking $40 billion in damages over loss of past, present and future earnings. Should AEG be found responsible in this case, a jury will ultimately determine a damage amount, which could then also be altered by the judge.

AEG first maintains they didn’t hire Murray to care for Michael. However, in allowing the negligent hiring count to remain, the judge determined the $150,000 per month salary for the doctor could imply there was an employment contract between the parties.

Even if a contract is found, the concert promoters will then assert they could not have foreseen that Murray posed a danger to Jackson, as he was one of several doctors who’d treated him in the past.

Finally AEG intends to point out that Michael had a severe drug problem. They will argue it was Jackson who administered the lethal dose to himself when Murray stepped out of the room.

The trial is expected to last well into the summer.

 http://www.examiner.com/article/michael-jackson-trial-date-set-but-defense-won-t-even-admit-he-s-actually-dead
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on April 26, 2013, 07:59:26 PM
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@  paula-c                     Where were the children? I always have thought that they were not in Carolwood that day

Me too always thought the same thing ....   :icon_rolleyes:



I found this...

The Michael Jackson wrongful death lawsuit trial is now set to begin Monday, April 29, in Los Angeles, after the final six alternate jurors were seated yesterday. Michael died in 2009 from a lethal dose of anesthetic propofol, allegedly administered by his personal physician Dr. Conrad Murray, who was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in 2011. Jackson’s family is suing concert promoter AEG Live for damages over his death in the hiring of Dr. Murray to oversee Michael as he prepared for a 50 date London concert tour. One of the oddest moments already occurred when the defense team refused to stipulate that Jackson is indeed dead, according to the Los Angeles Times on Tuesday, April 23.

On Tuesday, AEG attorney Marvin Putnam said he would not stipulate that Michael Jackson was dead. Jackson was frequently the subject of eccentricities and odd behavior, and now even in death it seems we’re already getting a glimpse into how surreal this trial may get.It’s believed the trial could be quite sensational, given the superstar status of Michael Jackson’s legacy, being pitted against the entertainment powerhouse company. The Jackson family has already described AEG as a, “heartless, money-driven machine”, in court papers.

They claim the promoters pushed Michael past his physical limits in preparing for a tour he was too frail to embark upon. The singer died on June 25, 2009, just two weeks before the series was set to begin in London.

Once Superior Court Judge Yvette M. Palazuelos announced the jury had been impaneled, the rest of the jury pool erupted in cheers, knowing they would not have to spend the next several months hearing the civil wrongful death case.

Michael Jackson's 82 year-old mother Katherine, along with his children Prince, Paris and Blanket, are suing L.A. entertainment giant AEG, alleging liability for Jackson’s death because they hired and supervised Dr. Conrad Murray.

He was convicted of using the powerful surgical anesthetic in an effort to help the singer cope with chronic insomnia, but just recently filed an appeal in his case alleging errors were made at his trial.

Some of the famous names announced as potential witnesses are singer Prince, Dianna Ross and ex-wife Lisa-Marie Presley. Bio mom to Michael’s eldest two kids, Debbie Rowe, is also expected to testify.

Other named witnesses include Dr. Conrad Murray himself, who is named by both sides, according to E! News. Jackson’s children, 16 year-old Prince and 15 year-old Paris are also expected to take the stand.

A judge has already dismissed several of the lawsuit's original claims, but allowed the allegation that AEG was negligent in hiring Conrad Murray to go forward. AEG is denying they had an employment contract with Murray.

The Jackson family is seeking $40 billion in damages over loss of past, present and future earnings. Should AEG be found responsible in this case, a jury will ultimately determine a damage amount, which could then also be altered by the judge.

AEG first maintains they didn’t hire Murray to care for Michael. However, in allowing the negligent hiring count to remain, the judge determined the $150,000 per month salary for the doctor could imply there was an employment contract between the parties.

Even if a contract is found, the concert promoters will then assert they could not have foreseen that Murray posed a danger to Jackson, as he was one of several doctors who’d treated him in the past.

Finally AEG intends to point out that Michael had a severe drug problem. They will argue it was Jackson who administered the lethal dose to himself when Murray stepped out of the room.

The trial is expected to last well into the summer.

 http://www.examiner.com/article/michael-jackson-trial-date-set-but-defense-won-t-even-admit-he-s-actually-dead




AEG could request an exhumation?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on April 27, 2013, 12:47:12 AM
Paula-c
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AEG could request an exhumation?
And find the coffin empty!!

If there is a body, they could do a DNA test to verify it is him, and not a double/substitute.
Oh this is getting hair-tingling!  So which way will the story go??? :icon_pale: :icon_albino:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on April 27, 2013, 02:26:16 AM
All theory variants are really being put to the test hey?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on April 27, 2013, 07:45:49 PM
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Paula-c
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AEG could request an exhumation?
And find the coffin empty!!

If there is a body, they could do a DNA test to verify it is him, and not a double/substitute.
Oh this is getting hair-tingling!  So which way will the story go??? :icon_pale: :icon_albino:


Mmmmmmm..... :confused: :smiley-vault-misc-150: :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Dontwalkaway on April 27, 2013, 09:30:56 PM
They could do a request for exhumation !  Digging up a dead body or empty casket ?   This really is a THRILLER, all right !       :affraid:

     
 :omg: 
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on April 27, 2013, 09:39:37 PM
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All theory variants are really being put to the test hey?


Ya really!  Finally being brought to the forefront


@DWA - Thriller indeed!!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Dontwalkaway on April 27, 2013, 09:48:30 PM
Yes, Andrea.  It could really be brought to the forefront really fast. 

 :abouttime:


Are you ready to go to the cemetary ?


[youtube]vPeFcLn_ces[/youtube]
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on April 27, 2013, 10:52:56 PM
The article didn't say anything about a possible exhumation or did I miss it. 
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: mindseye on April 28, 2013, 02:21:47 PM
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In the two days we've been offline (anyone know what that was all about??) I've been looking at stuff relating to this trial. I found this summary which may be of interest:

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilcasesummarynet/ui/casesummary.aspx?CT=CI

N.B. The case number is BC445597 which it doesn't seem to remember, so I think you have to type it in each time you visit the page.

I just looked at the updates to the summary. Has the list of notices - intent to use video recording depositions.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on April 28, 2013, 04:55:12 PM
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They could do a request for exhumation !  Digging up a dead body or empty casket ?   This really is a THRILLER, all right !       :affraid:

     
 :omg:

Empty casket of course !!!!  ;D.....We are  going on something of very important I think  ;D
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on April 28, 2013, 05:07:40 PM
Hey guys, let's keep our imaginations under control here! :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: wishingstar on April 28, 2013, 05:22:29 PM
It's been said Michael wanted to do these concerts
in part to show his children what he does.  AEG needs to
remember that what he does is create worlds a part
from all reality. When I watch his concerts even on DVD ,
I am transported into a magical world of music and talent
by him and all the people that make those concerts happen.
It was said on TII that this was to be an entirely new concert
experience....yep, it is.  I would venture to say the kids
and family have seen the most amazing transformation
of their loved one.  He has not only shown them what he
does, but he has shown them how to live life to the fullest
with love.  AEG is a major force ..... But for who?
I am in constant awe of the brilliance .....gotta love it : )
Blessings Always

*plz excuse typos ..... On my stupendous Star Trek device
Iphone : )
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on April 28, 2013, 05:59:12 PM
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The article didn't say anything about a possible exhumation or did I miss it.




I know,  I thought on that for it said Marvin  Putnam, could  request if truth AEG believes that MJ is alive.   
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Dontwalkaway on April 28, 2013, 07:10:31 PM

@Bec, You're right.  The article did not say anything about an exhumation.  We were just thinking that maybe it could be requested by AEG's lawyer.   I just got excited thinking about it.  We'll have to wait and see what happens. 

Thanks Curls, I'm back to "calm"     :icon_cool:





Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on April 28, 2013, 07:54:16 PM
Third time, the exhumation i mentioned I
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on April 29, 2013, 06:30:27 PM
 :ghsdf:


                           [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op7Ozo8m2G0[/youtube]
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on April 30, 2013, 08:54:29 AM
have no doubt this is all scripted and planned. the lot.
this has to be the beginning of the end! or the start of a new era, whichever way you look at it!

omgosh, so excited right now abt this trial.

how poetic, MJ song playing in the courtroom. lol. this is another master piece, murray trial part 2 - all part of the show.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/29/showbiz/jackson-death-trial-opens/index.html


where are the elephants?  :icon_razz: :icon_razz: :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on April 30, 2013, 08:55:33 AM
The concert promoter has no choice to reveal Jackson's "deepest, darkest secret" because the company must defend itself from the accusation from Jackson's family that it is responsible for the pop icon's death, Marvin Putnam said.


hmmm... wonder what that secret might be...


Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on April 30, 2013, 10:04:35 AM
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The concert promoter has no choice to reveal Jackson's "deepest, darkest secret" because the company must defend itself from the accusation from Jackson's family that it is responsible for the pop icon's death, Marvin Putnam said.


hmmm... wonder what that secret might be...

WOW WOW WOW  :omg:   Aussie thanks for highlighting that paragraph, Marvin Putman must be in on it for sure because I think this has been one of the most shocking sentences said up to now in this hoax I think this is the "KEY OF THE HOAX" think about it, what is it what AEG has to reveal to defend itself from Jackson's family which are suing AEG for MJ's wrongful death?? it's crystal clear: AEG has to reveal MJ IS ALIVE in order not have to pay those 40 billions to them  :th_bravo:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: ShyBleuEyes on April 30, 2013, 03:52:16 PM
ABC7 Court News‏@ABC7Courts18m
Senneff: I came in to that front door and saw what later I found out was Dr. Murray and a patient on the bed

ABC7 Court News@ABC7Court
Senneff: He was leaning over the patient, patient laying on the bed, dr Murray standing there and they were moving the patient to the floor.

ABC7 Court News‏@ABC7Courts27m
"When I first walked in, I asked dr Murray is the patient had a DNR," Senneff recalled.. DNR= Don Not Ressuscitate.

Makes me think of a DWD patient.



At the 911 call the operator said to the man at the phone that they have to take the patient from the bed to the floor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oftybkF__uc

But now Seneff said that they found the patient at the bed!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on April 30, 2013, 05:27:54 PM
More updates:

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1m

Senneff: "Once someone said his name, I looked at the patient's face and saw it was Michael Jackson."
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ABC7 Court News ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1m

Senneff said initially he was not able to identify the patient, but as it progressed someone said his name was Michael Jackson
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ABC7 Court News ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m

Panish showed pic with IV pole, IV bag and oxygen tank. Another picture showed bedside table with pill bottles, water bottle, juice bottle
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ABC7 Court News ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4m

Senneff said he saw an IV pole and an IV bag on the pole, along with an oxygen tank. There were medicine bottles on the nightstand.
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ABC7 Court News ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5m

Senneff: "Patient looked underweight to me." He also said he "appeared to be chronically ill."
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ABC7 Court News ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 6m

Panish: How was the patient? Senneff: "To me he looked at the end stage"

To describe someone as at the end stage would be when this person has been ill for a long time, and has now reached the end stage,meaning that the person is very close to dying.  Cancer patients usually are described in that way or to be more accurate any person who has been ill for a long period of time.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: mindseye on April 30, 2013, 05:37:46 PM
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Makes me think of a DWD patient.

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Senneff: "Patient looked underweight to me." He also said he "appeared to be chronically ill."
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ABC7 Court News ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 6m

Panish: How was the patient? Senneff: "To me he looked at the end stage"

To describe someone as at the end stage would be when this person has been ill for a long time, and has now reached the end stage,meaning that the person is very close to dying.  Cancer patients usually are described in that way or to be more accurate any person who has been ill for a long period of time.

Exactly, a DWD patient.
So how does a drug addict or someone as ill as a cancer patient do what MJ did in 'This is it' footage two days prior to death? And nobody thinks this is weird. I guess MJ was superhuman.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Love4Michael on April 30, 2013, 06:01:26 PM
I don't remember this level of description of the patient being pursued in detail in the first trial.  Statements like that were kind of passed over if I remember.  It sure makes the DWD option seem more plausible though I know that some here don't accept that possibility.  One thing I know for certain...after sitting with several family members through their "end stage"...there is no way an end stage hospice patient is even standing on a stage...much less dancing and singing!  Definitely two different people IMO. 
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on April 30, 2013, 06:21:38 PM
DWD patient option does seem pausible, for those who don't accept that possibility I would tell them that dying being helped by somebody wealthy who can provide him a nice scenario where to die with dignity taking the place of the most famous entertainer on earth and maybe with the possibility of getting a good sum of money left for his family makes Michael to be a pious man, don't you think is nicer to die in this conditions than maybe alone and sad? 
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on April 30, 2013, 07:03:51 PM
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The concert promoter has no choice to reveal Jackson's "deepest, darkest secret" because the company must defend itself from the accusation from Jackson's family that it is responsible for the pop icon's death, Marvin Putnam said.


hmmm... wonder what that secret might be...


+1... waiting for...
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on April 30, 2013, 07:37:31 PM
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DWD patient option does seem pausible, for those who don't accept that possibility I would tell them that dying being helped by somebody wealthy who can provide him a nice scenario where to die with dignity taking the place of the most famous entertainer on earth and maybe with the possibility of getting a good sum of money left for his family makes Michael to be a pious man, don't you think is nicer to die in this conditions than maybe alone and sad?


I don't think anyone would want to die alone and sad and would seek another option if they could.  A terminally ill woman in Canada recently went to Switzerland to end her suffering because they have assisted suicide there.  Her story has re-opened debate as to whether assisted suicide should still be illegal in Canada.

I could accept the DWD theory if the major objections were reasonably explained.  Like the ambulance driver's actions (backwards and slow).  The ambulance photo, though we know is faked, which has never been acknowledged or contested by the ambulance crew, clearly shows a vibrant(ish)-looking Michael.  Was the 911 call even real because it apparently never hit the scanners so how would an ambulance even know show up?  Senneff's testimony would have everyone think that Michael was long dead but they still worked on him.  Yes, because Murray pulled rank and wouldn't call the death but the ER doctors then supposedly worked on the obviously dead corpse for over an hour longer.  A terminally ill patient's illness would show up in the autopsy.  So if those who came into contact with the "body" needed to already be in on it, who is it fooling?  This has all been said before but is worth repeating now.  La Toya said the body looked like Michael was just sleeping and this was weeks after "death" - this isn't in line with the terminally ill patient description that is on record.  I'm not opposed or even unaccepting to the DWD theory, I just need to understand for myself the need for it and the obvious objections to be overcome.  TS's theory also depends on a lot of "ifs" which doesn't sit well with me either.  It's not a matter of being stubborn, it's lacking right pieces of the puzzle to make this theory fit - properly - and not trying to force it.  And as I said in another thread, Senneff's new testimony seems more in line with TS's theory than ever before which DOES make it suspect, imo.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on April 30, 2013, 07:45:12 PM
I don't believe DWD scenario, but IF it were true, the motivation would be completely for self agenda / self serving reasons, not to "help someone die with dignity" and for 'pious' reasons. Jmo.

Yes MJ is manipulative, puppetmaster, mastermind etc etc but using a DWD patient to your advantage is beyond unethical. Not judging any one person in particular, but I sometimes wonder if some hoaxers are ok with DWD scenario because its Michael Jackson. If president Bush or Hitler used same DWD scenario to hoax his death would it be viewed kind, generous even pious??

Yes its 'nicer' to die in conditions where your family is left with a lot of money, but that is not reality. Hundreds of thousands of people die everyday alone and sad and broke.

This is all about Justice. Exploitation is not Justice.

Again jmo. Not judging anyone for their personal opinion.

Peace
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on April 30, 2013, 07:47:50 PM

And now Senneff is saying the ambulance photo is legit!  LOL!

ABC7 Court News@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)5m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/329394916398616576)
Senneff said everybody was following the ambulance. He was shown a picture of MJ inside the ambulance and confirmed it was legit.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on April 30, 2013, 07:56:58 PM
Forgot to add. My post was NOT to say that euthenesia itself was unethical. Not at all. In specific this proposed scenario of capitalising on the death of someone else to propel your own justice / vindication...

Come on. That is so not MJ!!!
BUT, is it like MJ to let us believe and draw conclusions and make assumptions re: DWD based on all the little gems / statements that are thrown our way?? Absolutely!!

We know MJ is master of illusion, disguise, trickery, doubles etc etc. with all of these talents that he has mastered to a fine art, it makes sense such tactics would be employed in hoax scenario instead of methods (DWD) that have potential to backfire because of whistleblowers. Lets face it ppl love to make a dollar trying to sell secrets. MJ spent years perfecting illusion. Its all illusion. Illusion is uncomplicated. DWD scenario isnt.

Also, I tend to think if coroner was in on writing false AR report then that scenario requires less people to be in the know than DWD scenario. Looking after a sick person for months at Carolwood?

For so many reasons, I think it's impossible. Aside the ethical issues.

**I EDITED THIS POST**
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on April 30, 2013, 08:03:29 PM
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And now Senneff is saying the ambulance photo is legit!  LOL!

ABC7 Court News@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)5m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/329394916398616576)
Senneff said everybody was following the ambulance. He was shown a picture of MJ inside the ambulance and confirmed it was legit.


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Senneff said when he moved MJ, he felt he did not have a pulse. His pupils were fixed and dilated, eyes were quite dried




In the photo had the eyes closed
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on April 30, 2013, 08:16:46 PM
brilliant points you re highlight Andrea! DWD didn't sit well with me during TS discussion and it still doesnt now for all the reasons you mentioned :smiley_abuv:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on April 30, 2013, 08:29:54 PM

Thanks Aussie, you too!  I especially agree with what you said here:

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We know MJ is master of illusion, disguise, trickery, doubles etc etc. with all of these talents that he has mastered to a fine art, it makes sense such tactics would be employed in hoax scenario instead of methods (DWD) that have potential to backfire because of whistleblowers. Lets face it ppl love to make a dollar trying to sell secrets. MJ spent years perfecting illusion. Its all illusion. Illusion is uncomplicated. DWD scenario isnt.


It's determining the truth from the illusion that's tricky because it's all so perfectly interwoven.  And actually, it's reflective of the state of the world now and throughout history - truth vs illusion.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: mindseye on April 30, 2013, 08:39:23 PM
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Come on. That is so not MJ!!!
BUT, is it like MJ to let us believe and draw conclusions and make assumptions re: DWD based on all the little gems / statements that are thrown our way?? Absolutely!!

We know MJ is master of illusion, disguise, trickery, doubles etc etc. with all of these talents that he has mastered to a fine art, it makes sense such tactics would be employed in hoax scenario instead of methods (DWD) that have potential to backfire because of whistleblowers.

Great points, I totally agree with you  :icon_e_biggrin:  "Makes me think of a DWD patient".... doesn't mean I believe it, but you're right we are led to believe it to be a possibility - the scene/witness statements were set up to make it look that way. And now there are still so many inconsistencies with Senneff. 

@ABC7Courts Cahan went through the emergency medical service report again. It asks the weight of the patient, Senneff estimated 150lbs, 5'09-ish

@ABC7Courts Senneff answers 120 calls per month average. He said he got very good at estimating people's weight.

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on April 30, 2013, 08:44:11 PM
Another tweet from ABC7:

Senneff said it was chaotic outside the house, very difficult to get out. People trying to take pix, unbelievable amount of commotion

Is this statement for real?  Is this what the public was shown?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: mindseye on April 30, 2013, 09:30:49 PM
This also got me thinking about cryonics. 

@ABC7Courts 3h
Senneff said when he moved MJ, he felt he did not have a pulse. His pupils were fixed and dilated, eyes were quite dried

@ABC7Courts 3h
Senneff: "When I picked him up and moved him, he was cool to the touch. I would say less than an hour... Body doesn't get cold that fast"

Then I read Paris tweet with the starbucks coffee pic and an hour ago asking about favorite drinks at coffee bean. ? idk she just deleted it.
There's a science behind coffee grinding " If required, such fine grinding is often best carried out under cryogenic (sub-zero temperature) conditions using materials such as solid carbon dioxide or liquid nitrogen, especially when using impact-type mills."
:icon_eek: ...  :icon_lol: anyway.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on April 30, 2013, 10:56:30 PM
I don't know which post to quote first!

I am digging this whole thread! 

Thank goodness for channel 7 LA Twitter. I am cracking up over here.

Ambulance pic legit?!?! Oh you don't say?? Live MJ theory anyone? I guess Live MJ weighs 150lbs and is 5'9. God this is funny.

So the patient is Skelator and the ambulance pic is legit. Thank you Senneff for clearly illustrating that this is all total bullshit.

(I too find it suspicious that Senneff's testimony suddenly validates TS_comments DWD theory :suspect: )
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on May 01, 2013, 01:55:25 AM
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(I too find it suspicious that Senneff's testimony suddenly validates TS_comments DWD theory :suspect: )

You mean Mr Fake Informer's theory?! Which for those who are thinking MJ is so thoughtful to include a DWD patient in his hoax, remember our fake informer also said MJ had nothing to do with the events of 25th June - it was all lead by FBI.  :suspect: indeed!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on May 01, 2013, 02:32:32 AM
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(I too find it suspicious that Senneff's testimony suddenly validates TS_comments DWD theory :suspect: )

You mean Mr Fake Informer's theory?! Which for those who are thinking MJ is so thoughtful to include a DWD patient in his hoax, remember our fake informer also said MJ had nothing to do with the events of 25th June - it was all lead by FBI.  :suspect: indeed!

Yah he's the one. AKA Mr. Pantsonfire.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on May 01, 2013, 03:48:21 AM
We know TS and Front validated each other, but Front never said one word confirming DWD or FBI, that I know of.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on May 01, 2013, 04:42:59 AM
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Judge rules: Jacksons can't watch trial without mom
The judge ordered that only one of Michael Jackson's brothers and sisters can come to court to watch the testimony at at a time -- and then only if Jackson family matriarch Katherine Jackson is present.
AEG Live lawyers argued at the start of the second day of the trial that there was "a risk in allowing any of them in the courtroom."
AEG expects to call Janet, Jermaine, Jackie, Tito, La Toya, Rebbie and Randy Jackson as witnesses in its defense. Only brother Marlon Jackson is not on the defense witness list.
AEG lawyer Marvin Putnam said in his opening statement Monday that Jackson family members will testify about their failed attempts to intervene with Michael Jackson's drug addiction and their lack of knowledge about what was happening.
The defense lawyers asked that Randy Jackson, the only one attending the trial Tuesday with his 82-year-old mother, be booted from court.
After that, Jackson lawyer Brian Panish told the judge that Katherine Jackson, who can stay in court because she is a plaintiff, needed one of her children to sit with her each day.
"He can remain, but you cannot have five in the courtroom," Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos said.
Because Katherine Jackson left the courtroom early to avoid gruesome testimony by a paramedic who described Jackson's death, Randy Jackson was unable to watch Tuesday's testimony.
Randy and Rebbie Jackson attended court Monday, the trial's opening day. All of the siblings attended the 2011 criminal trial of Murray at various times.
Having members of the famous entertainment family in court could influence the jury because their seats are just a few feet away from the jury box in the small Los Angeles courtroom.
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/30/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/index.html
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on May 01, 2013, 06:49:50 AM
Aussie who said that the DWD patient would have to be taken care of at Carolwood some time before the day in question?? this DWD patient might very well be in his resident until June 25 when he was moved to Carolwood from Washington and let him take the pill by himself (hence CM saying MJ killed himself), Michael needed a dead body and this DWD patient didn't wanna live any longer, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM HERE?? As you have said a canadian woman had to fly to Switzerland to die which is the difference here??

Andrea:
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A terminally ill patient's illness would show up in the autopsy

It did show up that's why the autopsy's details didn't match with Michael's body because it wasn't his body at all.

Bec:
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(I too find it suspicious that Senneff's testimony suddenly validates TS_comments DWD theory  )

Right!!

MJonmind:
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We know TS and Front validated each other, but Front never said one word confirming DWD or FBI, that I know of.

Front didn't validate many things that might be conclusive.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on May 01, 2013, 07:21:41 AM
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Judge rules: Jacksons can't watch trial without mom
The judge ordered that only one of Michael Jackson's brothers and sisters can come to court to watch the testimony at at a time -- and then only if Jackson family matriarch Katherine Jackson is present.
AEG Live lawyers argued at the start of the second day of the trial that there was "a risk in allowing any of them in the courtroom."
AEG expects to call Janet, Jermaine, Jackie, Tito, La Toya, Rebbie and Randy Jackson as witnesses in its defense. Only brother Marlon Jackson is not on the defense witness list.
AEG lawyer Marvin Putnam said in his opening statement Monday that Jackson family members will testify about their failed attempts to intervene with Michael Jackson's drug addiction and their lack of knowledge about what was happening.
The defense lawyers asked that Randy Jackson, the only one attending the trial Tuesday with his 82-year-old mother, be booted from court.
After that, Jackson lawyer Brian Panish told the judge that Katherine Jackson, who can stay in court because she is a plaintiff, needed one of her children to sit with her each day.
"He can remain, but you cannot have five in the courtroom," Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos said.
Because Katherine Jackson left the courtroom early to avoid gruesome testimony by a paramedic who described Jackson's death, Randy Jackson was unable to watch Tuesday's testimony.
Randy and Rebbie Jackson attended court Monday, the trial's opening day. All of the siblings attended the 2011 criminal trial of Murray at various times.
Having members of the famous entertainment family in court could influence the jury because their seats are just a few feet away from the jury box in the small Los Angeles courtroom.
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/30/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/index.html


is it just me or does this statement have the same flavor as that strange little statement paris made at the awards ceremony way early on?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on May 01, 2013, 07:22:14 AM
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Aussie who said that the DWD patient would have to be taken care of at Carolwood some time before the day in question?? this DWD patient might very well be in his resident until June 25 when he was moved to Carolwood from Washington and let him take the pill by himself (hence CM saying MJ killed himself), Michael needed a dead body and this DWD patient didn't wanna live any longer, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM HERE?? As you have said a canadian woman had to fly to Switzerland to die which is the difference here??


Hun I didn't mention the Canadian example, it was someone else. However, for me personally, Carolwood set up is the least of the reasons why I don't buy DWD. Also my comments were not against you, just the DWD scenario.  :icon_e_wink:

Speaking of Carolwood, there were reports that the room was set up for a terminally ill patient. (Which I think is all smoke and mirrors and aimed to confuse people or entice ppl into believing the DWD scenario) I don't think it actually happened, I believe the intention is to make the situation as ambiguous as possible.

Reports for hospice set up combined with reports from JJ he was fit and then back around in a circle again with camp Jackson saying AEG used doubles because MJ wasn't fit enough... Last photos / footage of MJ 'alive' looking healthy and then reports of paramedics not recognising him because he was skeletal and deathly...

I don't blame anyone for considering / believing DWD theory because MJ is putting more than enough stuff out there to make ppl think this. (As well as other things to support other theories) I just personally don't buy it. And as mentioned I don't judge anyone who does believe DWD scenario. And don't blame them! Lol

I really believe the strategy is confusion / ambiguity / uncertainty. Same tactic TS used  :icon_e_wink:

Ppl still aren't questioning things and saying 'hang on this doesn't add up' even though there is so many conflicting things. Amazing. Waiting for the moment when the "penny drops" for the world. Just how stupid / obviously contradictory does it all have to get until the world sees it?!?! Lol

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on May 01, 2013, 07:38:15 AM
humm admittedly i know nothing about medical stuff but i would be more inclined toward thinking in terms of a person having been put in a medically  induced coma due to head injury and didn't make it or something.  :icon_cry:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on May 01, 2013, 08:47:26 AM
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Aussie who said that the DWD patient would have to be taken care of at Carolwood some time before the day in question?? this DWD patient might very well be in his resident until June 25 when he was moved to Carolwood from Washington and let him take the pill by himself (hence CM saying MJ killed himself), Michael needed a dead body and this DWD patient didn't wanna live any longer, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM HERE?? As you have said a canadian woman had to fly to Switzerland to die which is the difference here??


Hun I didn't mention the Canadian example, it was someone else. However, for me personally, Carolwood set up is the least of the reasons why I don't buy DWD. Also my comments were not against you, just the DWD scenario.  :icon_e_wink:

Speaking of Carolwood, there were reports that the room was set up for a terminally ill patient. (Which I think is all smoke and mirrors and aimed to confuse people or entice ppl into believing the DWD scenario) I don't think it actually happened, I believe the intention is to make the situation as ambiguous as possible.

Reports for hospice set up combined with reports from JJ he was fit and then back around in a circle again with camp Jackson saying AEG used doubles because MJ wasn't fit enough... Last photos / footage of MJ 'alive' looking healthy and then reports of paramedics not recognising him because he was skeletal and deathly...

I don't blame anyone for considering / believing DWD theory because MJ is putting more than enough stuff out there to make ppl think this. (As well as other things to support other theories) I just personally don't buy it. And as mentioned I don't judge anyone who does believe DWD scenario. And don't blame them! Lol

I really believe the strategy is confusion / ambiguity / uncertainty. Same tactic TS used  :icon_e_wink:

Ppl still aren't questioning things and saying 'hang on this doesn't add up' even though there is so many conflicting things. Amazing. Waiting for the moment when the "penny drops" for the world. Just how stupid / obviously contradictory does it all have to get until the world sees it?!?! Lol

Sorry I think it was Andrea but you know what I meant with that sentence.

I don't blame you either, we are just discussing about DWD theory, I still love you.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on May 01, 2013, 08:57:58 AM
What about this:

Quote
The paramedic who attempted to save Michael Jackson's life on the day the King of Pop passed away has testified in court that the tragic singer looked like "a cancer patient" who had come home to die.

The significant thing here is that he looked like "he came home to die".

http://www.contactmusic.com/news/paramedic-becomes-first-witness-in-michael-jackson-wrongful-death-trial_3636928
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on May 01, 2013, 09:35:52 AM
sweetsunset:
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Andrea:
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A terminally ill patient's illness would show up in the autopsy

It did show up that's why the autopsy's details didn't match with Michael's body because it wasn't his body at all.

There was no terminal illness present in the "autopsy" report.  It showed a fairly healthy guy.  We wouldn't forget if something like cancer was mentioned.  If a real body was going to be used, it would be to fool those who come into contact with it because there would be no point otherwise.  A genuine autopsy report would reflect the terminal condition of the body and ER doctors are not going to try to revive a cold, turning blue corpse.  The ambulance driver wouldn't have backed out so slowly to ensure the opportunity for the"legit" ambulance photo to be taken with a patient who clearly resembles an eyes-closed, forehead-veined MJ.

Senneff's testimony completely contradicts the evidence we have to work with, it's basically hearsay.  He makes the patient's condition more dire and sad as time passes.  He even contradicts himself, like bec pointed out.  It very much seems like he is following a script and is deliberately supporting TS's theory, at least for now.  It's early days yet though, we'll have to see what happens because it is possible that evidence may emerge to either further support or debunk the DWD theory.



Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on May 01, 2013, 09:46:27 AM
Sharon Osbourne - Sharon Osbourne to testify in Jackson lawsuit[/size]
01 May 2013


Sharon Osbourne was officially subpoenaed on Tuesday (30.04.13) to testify in the Michael Jackson wrongful death trial after confessing she may have evidence to support Katherine Jackson in her wrongful death trial against AEG Live

http://www.contactmusic.com/news/sharon-osbourne-to-testify-in-jackson-lawsuit_3637144
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on May 01, 2013, 10:31:42 AM
Senneff says the ambulance pic is legit. That's really all I needed to hear. Case closed.

Cuz let's face it, that was the missing link we needed to explain the events of 6/25/09. I think Andrea was just saying Senneff never confirmed or denied the pic, so we couldn't confirm or deny his testimony re: appearence of the patient... and then Bingo! Confirmed. Patient looked like what we saw in the pic, eyes closed n everything. Lol. 

--->Senneff admits the MJ we see in the ambulance pic was the patient he worked on.<---

DWD theory is dead in the water. Great day.

Ps. Aussie: I agree with everything you said re: DWD theory. Thanks for laying it all out on the table, no frills. Whole thing reeks of BS, start to finish. 
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on May 01, 2013, 02:29:50 PM
I'm with you bec, Andrea and Aussie (probably others, but these 3 are the posts I've especially noticed). Great stuff guys - wish I had a bit more time to contribute more this week.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Jos on May 01, 2013, 03:54:35 PM
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts  22m 
Call was a bit over 2 minutes (133 seconds). Martinez did not know for sure what they were talking about, questioned Alvarez about it

 :thjajaja121:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Jos on May 01, 2013, 03:56:54 PM

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts  15m 
AEG agreed to stipulate Michael Jackson is dead, but need to think about stipulating that Dr. Murray is the cause of his death.


ABC7 Court News ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts  16m 
Outside the presence of jury:
Panish: I'm asking for stipulation that MJ's dead. Are you willing to stipulate MJ is dead?
Putnam: Absolutely
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on May 01, 2013, 04:10:16 PM
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 26m
Trial resumes tomorrow morning with Det. Martinez. Dr. Christopher Rogers, from the Coroner's office, set to testify next.


 :ghsdf: waiting for...  :ghsdf:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on May 01, 2013, 06:23:52 PM
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Senneff says the ambulance pic is legit. That's really all I needed to hear. Case closed.

Cuz let's face it, that was the missing link we needed to explain the events of 6/25/09. I think Andrea was just saying Senneff never confirmed or denied the pic, so we couldn't confirm or deny his testimony re: appearence of the patient... and then Bingo! Confirmed. Patient looked like what we saw in the pic, eyes closed n everything. Lol.

--->Senneff admits the MJ we see in the ambulance pic was the patient he worked on.<---

DWD theory is dead in the water. Great day.

Ps. Aussie: I agree with everything you said re: DWD theory. Thanks for laying it all out on the table, no frills. Whole thing reeks of BS, start to finish.

?!?!?!?!?.....Why?? didn't we say that DWD patient might have facial surgery works to become a MJ look alike??
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Adi on May 01, 2013, 10:25:22 PM
The ambulance picture is real...righto'...wow....and I am the Queen of England too  :icon_rolleyes:  for Senneff to say that makes me think he really is in on it, as to me that picture has FAKE written all over it...but hey what would I know.

and...so the DWD/hospice patient theory rears its uncomfortable head again......not discounted in my books.....yet...

This trial is banging everyone over the head with the same information......is it going to be a rehash of the evidence from the Dr Murray criminal trial as well as his baby mamma court appearances from way back when with that whacky fake money being handed over in court?   :icon_lol:

Time will tell.




Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on May 01, 2013, 10:26:55 PM
Lol I don't think so @sunset.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: ShyBleuEyes on May 02, 2013, 01:52:45 PM
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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts  22m 
Call was a bit over 2 minutes (133 seconds). Martinez did not know for sure what they were talking about, questioned Alvarez about it

 :thjajaja121:

133 minutes 1+3+3=7  i know must be a coincidence
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: ShyBleuEyes on May 02, 2013, 03:11:50 PM
ABC7 Court News‏@ABC7Courts23u
Trial resumes tomorrow morning with Det. Martinez. Dr. Christopher Rogers, from the Coroner's office, set to testify next.

when does the trial start today? i am constantly checking ABC7 twitter, but there aint any tweets about the trial... for today!


 ABC7 Court News‏@ABC7Courts4m
Hello from the courthouse in downtown LA. Before trial resumed, AEG atty asked judge to excuse Rebbie from courtroom; she may be a witness.


Nevermind, i got my answer.lol
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on May 02, 2013, 04:46:17 PM
Another media article highlighting contradictions:

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/05/katherine-jackson-says-michael-not-drug-addict-signed-document/

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on May 02, 2013, 05:05:08 PM
Thanks curls for sharing.... the media are scrambling to... (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Reflexion/graduation.gif)

Michael is always interesting... :icon_e_wink: :michael-jackson:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on May 02, 2013, 08:32:33 PM
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What about this:

Quote
The paramedic who attempted to save Michael Jackson's life on the day the King of Pop passed away has testified in court that the tragic singer looked like "a cancer patient" who had come home to die.

The significant thing here is that he looked like "he came home to die".

http://www.contactmusic.com/news/paramedic-becomes-first-witness-in-michael-jackson-wrongful-death-trial_3636928





This does not seem like a DWD patient,  Senneff this in contradiction


(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/16/09/46/48/80678210.jpg)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on May 02, 2013, 08:44:20 PM
Interesting little details from the afternoon courtroom session today.

 @abc7courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts) in proper order:



Pictures showed the master bathroom also messy, clothes everywhere, boxes with stuff, shopping bags.

Martinez said MJ's house was secured from 2:30 pm PT until about midnight on the day MJ died. After midnight, the scene was not secured.

On the 26th, Martinez got a search warrant to search the house since he had obtained more information in the investigation.

Search warrant: ...his staff was allowed to be present on the ground floor. No staff was allowed on the top floors.

A chef, Kai Chase, was allowed to go upstairs to drop food off outside the door.

Search warrant: During the course of the investigation, family members notified coroner that they had located luggage on the second floor

Dr. Murray's attys called police for interview; lasted 2 1/2 hrs. Martinez said he learned facts that led him to believe this was criminal

Martinez said he first noticed the drug Propofol when he found a vial in Jackson's room. Martinez' neighbor is a doctor, he asked for help

Martinez said he believes Dr. Murray's first orders of Propofol were in March 2009. They were shipped from Las Vegas to Santa Monica.

Putnam asked Martinez about the medical equipments found at MJ's house: oxygen tanks, IV stand, ambu bag. "It was rented by Dr. Murray"

Dr. Murray was the person who paid for the items, Martinez said. Dr. Murray also paid for all the Propofol orders.

Martinez said LAPD doesn't name people as suspects, but "It was common knowledge he (Dr. Murray) was a suspect."

Martinez interviewed Mrs. Jackson in Dec 09. He wanted to clear up some stuff regarding family meetings, addiction, intervention

Martinez: Family had attempted several interventions, spoken with other sons about his possible problems with drugs.

Martinez said he wrote that the family tried numerous interventions, but didn't know exactly how many.

Putnam: Do you remember what Mrs. Jackson told you MJ said? Martinez: That he denied having a problem

Martinez said Mrs. Jackson thought MJ was taking drugs for back pain. The Dective though his addition was to painkillers.

Martinez wrote in a doc that Mrs. Jackson saw Dr. Murray at UCLA for the 1st time. She said she didn't know who he was until Michael's death

Martinez: "Mrs. Jackson stated the family attempted several times to help Michael, however he would have nothing to do with it."

Martinez did not interview Michael's children. Another detective did, but they chose not to get into the drug abuse line of questioning.

Putnam countered plaintiffs several documents highlighting Dr. Murray's financial distress by saying all the liens belonged to one house

Panish said Dr. Murray's hospital privileges were suspended because he was late returning phone call while on duty & lack of record keeping

Putnam asked if Martinez knew if Dr. Murray's license to practice medicine had been suspended before June 25, 2009? He said no.

Putnam: Did Dr. Murray's debts excuse him in anyway for what he did? Martinez: No

Putnam asked Martinez if Dr. Murray being in financial trouble made him a suspect? He said no, it was the totality of the evidence

Panish accused AEG of implying Murray was a great doctor. "But that's not true, you found out that he had killed someone else" Panish asked

Putnam objected and Panish rephrased the statement, saying Martinez found out Dr. Murray was sued for wrongful death of another patient

About seeing Mrs. Jackson and the kids at UCLA:Martinez: distraught
Panish: Upset?
Martinez: Very

Martinez said Katherine Jackson did not have attorneys present when he interviewed her. She was cooperative and forthcoming.

Panish asked if having messy room is against the law according to the penal code? Martinez laughed and said no.

As to the moving boxes, Panish asked Martinez if he knew MJ was planning to go to England the first week of July. He said yes.

Panish: have you change your mind? Martinez: Did not change my mind that Dr. Murray's financial distress was the reason for his actions.

Putnam asked if anyone at AEG ever refused to speak with police or produce documents, and Martinez said no. They gave police one email

Putnam noted that the person who died under Dr. Murray's care died of natural causes and no lawsuit was filed. Marinez said he was wrong.

Putnam asked Martinez what was his suspicion. For that amount of money he wondered if Murray would bend rules to be the 1 getting the money

Putnam: the suspicion wasn't about the source of that money, AEG Live? Martinez: It didn't matter to our investigation

"Did you change your mind that his financial problems were the motive 4 what he did to bend the rules?" Panish asked. "No," Martinez replied

Martinez was excused subject to recall in case defendants want to put him on the stand again. No court tomorrow, trial resumes on Monday

Plaintiffs' attorney told the judge toxicologist Mr. Anderson and coroner Dr. Rogers are expected to testify on Monday.






Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on May 02, 2013, 09:10:09 PM
This disorder that Martinez  speaking for that employees do not go to the upper floors for some reason ...
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on May 03, 2013, 03:28:59 AM
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Panish accused AEG of implying Murray was a great doctor. "But that's not true, you found out that he had killed someone else" Panish asked

Putnam objected and Panish rephrased the statement, saying Martinez found out Dr. Murray was sued for wrongful death of another patient…
Putnam noted that the person who died under Dr. Murray's care died of natural causes and no lawsuit was filed. Marinez said he was wrong.

Putnam asked Martinez what was his suspicion.

Did Murray have another patient that died in his care?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on May 03, 2013, 02:18:26 PM
This one maybe:

http://www.tmz.com/2011/02/15/dr-conrad-murray-michael-jackson-death-investigation-former-patients-murder-wrongful-death/
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on May 03, 2013, 05:58:37 PM
Michael Jackson’s mom, siblings fear they may lose lawsuit

http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/19274633-421/michael-jacksons-mom-siblings-fear-they-may-lose-lawsuit.html
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on May 03, 2013, 06:44:51 PM
  @    MJonmind        Did Murray have another patient that died in his care?  :icon_lol:

          (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Content/D_SMIL%7E1.GIF)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on May 03, 2013, 11:40:28 PM
Thanks Curls! I vaguely remembered from so long ago.
Blankie  :icon_e_smile:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on May 04, 2013, 02:43:07 AM
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Michael Jackson’s mom, siblings fear they may lose lawsuit

http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/19274633-421/michael-jacksons-mom-siblings-fear-they-may-lose-lawsuit.html

......because of another contradiction! They're claiming in this trial that they all knew about MJ's longterm problems with addiction (and how could AEG be the only ones who didn't) whereas in 2007 they actually signed a statement that they never did an intervention and that MJ had no drug or alcohol problems.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on May 04, 2013, 03:55:22 AM
2007 is when it is said Randy Jackson crashed through the gate to get to MJ. Was it for money or for a supposed drug intervention.
Drug intervention could have been a cover excuse since apparently Randy together with some shady business man were hell-bent on MJ signing something that MJ refused to sign right during the 2005 trial when MJ was already stressed/vulnerable, and were apparently very angry he wouldn't sign it.
http://www.michaeljackson.com/ca/node/758082
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on May 04, 2013, 06:08:16 PM
Detective Martinez says Murray had debts upto $1 million in Jacksons vs. AEG trial

http://www.legendarymichaeljackson.nl/news/detective-martinez-says-murray-had-debts-upto-1-million-in-jacksons-vs-aeg-trial/?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: ashprak247 on May 04, 2013, 06:09:36 PM
I really think AEG, randy Phillips and thome thome are in the hoax WITH Michael.

Look at this tweet by keya morgan who knew Michael very well.

“@KeyaMorgan: WOW! Randy Phillips of AEG and Dr. Tohme Tohme are seated right next to me at beverly hills hotel.”

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on May 04, 2013, 08:21:30 PM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehnclGYxczU[/youtube]
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Sweetangel on May 05, 2013, 06:52:45 AM
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I really think AEG, randy Phillips and thome thome are in the hoax WITH Michael.

Look at this tweet by keya morgan who knew Michael very well.

“@KeyaMorgan: WOW! Randy Phillips of AEG and Dr. Tohme Tohme are seated right next to me at beverly hills hotel.”

Ugh, I believe the AEG Contract and Dr. Thome Thome were the Main Reason for Michael to hoax his death. (There was no way out of this contract otherwise) I could read the whole contract and to me it seems this contract was meant to rip Michael off of everything he did own. Unfortuneatly my old Laptop had a breakdown and I can't povide a Link.
Sweetsunset did find something interesting about Randy Philipps and Dr. Thome. If this is true that they
are realetet than this adds a new Piece to the puzzle.
You can read sweetsunsets post here. Thank you sweetsunset.

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,23651.0.html

Much Peace and Love to everyone
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on May 05, 2013, 07:15:09 AM
Oh you mean this:

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,23651.msg437616.html#msg437616
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on May 07, 2013, 02:01:44 AM
Is it a little odd that in court yesterday toxicologist Anderson says the level of propofol in MJ at autopsy was the level for general surgery, then says the level was fatal. I know general anaesthetics always carry risk, but are fatal doses of the drug regularly being administered in operating theatres?

https://twitter.com/mccartneyAPhttps://twitter.com/ABC7Courts
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on May 07, 2013, 03:54:46 AM
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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8h
MJ had a pink tattoo on his top lip, eyebrow tattoos, and tattoos on the top of his head according to Dr. Roger's testimony.
Does anyone know if MJ ever mentioned getting any tattoos at all? Could a DWD patient have gotten this done, or is it just made-up details.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on May 07, 2013, 04:12:01 PM
MJJJustice Project@MJJJusticePrjct

7th May 2013 from TwitLonger

A toxicologist testified Monday that Michael Jackson is the only person in Los Angeles County not in the medical field to die of propofol intoxication in their home in the last 14 years. <--- worth repeating

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rk5vg9
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on May 07, 2013, 05:26:38 PM
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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8h
MJ had a pink tattoo on his top lip, eyebrow tattoos, and tattoos on the top of his head according to Dr. Roger's testimony.
Does anyone know if MJ ever mentioned getting any tattoos at all? Could a DWD patient have gotten this done, or is it just made-up details.


I say ... :computer-losy-smiley:but michael will be free to make of himself what he wanted???  :icon_evil: Leave him alone !!  :smiley_abuv:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on May 07, 2013, 05:46:45 PM
Expert: Jackson doctor unqualified in many areas

"Michael Jackson's doctor was not qualified to treat the singer for insomnia or drug addiction and botched resuscitation efforts, an expert cardiologist testifying for the singer's mother told a jury on Tuesday".

Well I think this cardiologist statement is what made the most of us believe that Michael faked his death because none of us could believed that a so clumsy doctor was taking care of the most famous entertainer of the Universe.

http://music.yahoo.com/news/expert-jackson-doctor-unqualified-many-areas-190433553.html
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on May 07, 2013, 05:54:07 PM
Some tweets that are crucial to the case:

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 48m
Mrs. Jackson was back in court for the after the lunch break with Trent Jackson.
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 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h
She also had a Louis Vuitton bag.
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 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h
CORRECTION - MRS. KATHERINE JACKSON was in court for the morning session.  She wore a beige jacket with a water color design.
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 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3h
The Jackson family has not been here and is not expected this afternoon.

Why is it so important for them what Katherine is wearing and what bag she is carrying?????
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on May 07, 2013, 05:58:54 PM
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Expert: Jackson doctor unqualified in many areas

http://music.yahoo.com/news/expert-jackson-doctor-unqualified-many-areas-190433553.html
Wohlgelernter, however, said Jackson's request for Murray to be his doctor and Murray's desire to leave other patients behind to work with the singer should have caused AEG some concern.
Wohlgelernter said the company should have asked why the two men wanted to work with each other.
For hoax purposes?? :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile

Also Pearl Jr.'s been sitting in the courtroom:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw0hejx3NJY
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on May 10, 2013, 09:56:08 AM
Ok, so while the forum's been down, we've had Alif Sankey (May 8th) and Karen Faye (May 9th) testifying. Any thoughts anyone? (Have to say, I was reminded of those awful TINI testimonials)

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/129265-Katherine-Jackson-vs-AEG-Live-Daily-Trial-Testimony-Summary?p=3820796#post3820796

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on May 10, 2013, 01:09:14 PM
From the link Curls posted: 

"Michael always believed that a doctor had his best interest at heart," Faye said. "He believed if he got something through a doctor that it was safe and OK for him to use it."(CNN)

I believe with this sentence Karen (Through Michael), is emphasizing the role of "a doctor" very clearly. But  in real life, that's not what doctors are all about.  Look what happened to Michael when he listened  to his doctors and took what they prescribed to him......... sort of thing.....

"Witness Karen Faye also recalled how Jackson's reliance on medications coincided with the first time he was accused of child molestation in the early 1990s."Michael had to go on stage every night knowing that the whole world thought he was a pedophile," Faye said, shaking her head and crying. "(AP)

I think Karen wants to bring to everyone's attention that because of "them" and what they put him through Michael needed pain medication. And because of unethical doctors Michael is now "dead".......  She wants to make sure the world understands what the chi-mo. trial put him through, how he was severely hurt by it both physically and emotionally.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on May 10, 2013, 07:10:23 PM
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From the link Curls posted: 

"Michael always believed that a doctor had his best interest at heart," Faye said. "He believed if he got something through a doctor that it was safe and OK for him to use it."(CNN)

I believe with this sentence Karen (Through Michael), is emphasizing the role of "a doctor" very clearly. But  in real life, that's not what doctors are all about.  Look what happened to Michael when he listened  to his doctors and took what they prescribed to him......... sort of thing.....

"Witness Karen Faye also recalled how Jackson's reliance on medications coincided with the first time he was accused of child molestation in the early 1990s."Michael had to go on stage every night knowing that the whole world thought he was a pedophile," Faye said, shaking her head and crying. "(AP)

I think Karen wants to bring to everyone's attention that because of "them" and what they put him through Michael needed pain medication. And because of unethical doctors Michael is now "dead".......  She wants to make sure the world understands what the chi-mo. trial put him through, how he was severely hurt by it both physically and emotionally.

 
And so explain even more who is Michael....a simple and clean person that despite the bad things received ,always trust in others  :bearhug:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on May 11, 2013, 03:24:18 AM
This story by a freelance worker involved in production of This Is It /Dome Project/, who MJ nicnamed 'Unbreakable', shows us that Karen Faye must be pulling the wool over everyone's eyes, for Michael's hoax.
(I started a thread on this 'Ghost story' which this is all part of, which is a wonderful faith builder for MJ being alive. If you haven't read, please do!
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,5167.msg432072.html#msg432072 )

She says MJ was healthy and happy!
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Unbreakable October 3rd, 2009 9:06 pm ET
I do not know Karen personally. I have met her, but no I would not stick up for her. I don’t agree with some of the claims she is making. Peroid.

Unbreakable October 3rd, 2009 9:51 pm ET
@ Secert, 
Yes Michael was thin. But he was full of energy and spunk.
As far as his mental state, as far as what i seen, was tip top.
He did tell me that he was getting too old for this… (joking around of course).
But the times I interacted with him, his mental state was fine.
I do not know how he appreared when I was not around, so I can not say anything for sure.
He did appear tired some of the time, but he was working hard.

Unbreakable October 3rd, 2009 10:27 pm ET
You can share good times with a person and not be a close personal friend.
I have many good time with many people, yet would never confind info in them or cry on thier shoulder.
Nothing I have said here about Michael was direspectful at all. I was invited on Larry’s show the week MJ died, i declined while everyone else flocked in droves. Me expressing my feeling and exprience’s I had with Michael is in no way backstabbing him. I know some things that I will not ever tell anyone.
I am not asking anyone to believe me, that is not the point. And I don’t blame you if you do not, because you are right, the internet can house some pretty scary things. I mean with people claiming to be MJ and this Informer, I don’t blame anyone for not believing me, and truthfully this is why I had not said anything before. Fearing I would get this reaction.
I know the truth, and all I was doing was sharing the fact that MJ was a wonderful man and he was not knocking on death’s door. Thats all.
I have no motive.

Unbreakable October 4th, 2009 11:15 am ET
Anne your video brought me to tears, I had not seen that.
I see footage of things I worked on.. watch it, there is a scene with michael with a green screen behind him holding a sucker. I was there that day…
As I was everyday.
He looks wonderful, just how I remeber him.
I am going for a bit…
But that video choked me up a bit..
It still seems so hard to believe.
He was one sexy mofo.

Unbreakable October 4th, 2009 11:23 am ET
MMJ, 
Thank you for your kind words.
Watch the video posted here, you will see some of the projects I was doing, and there is even a spot he is holding a sucker. I told you guys he always had a sucker. I am going to watch the video one more time.. It brings me joy, yet sadness at the same time. Does he look frail or sick to any of you in this video? I am telling the truth. Please have faith in that, MJ was NOT sick or frail… and this proves it. When you see the movie, it will prove it.
Damn I really miss him..

Unbreakable October 4th, 2009 12:11 pm ET
@MMJ,
 I am not saying MJ was in perfect shape or condtion. Truthfully I did see things.
What I was saying was he was not frail or boney or any of that nonsense we have heard.
He was by NO means the Michael Jackson I grew up being in love with and wanting to marry.
I will say this, in all honesty, the first time I met MJ back in the mid 90′s he looked spectacular.
I had seen him a few other times over the years and he pretty much looked the same.
However when I met with him for the first about this project, I did not even recognize him.
His face has changed drastically.
I am not trying to say he was perfect,
I was just saying he was not dying.
But overall, to me, he seemed in pretty good physical condition.
Do you know what I mean?
http://truenewszone.wordpress.com/2012/09/08/a-ghost-story/

Karen doesn't have a good reputation apparently.
http://soundslikerawr.livejournal.com/46308.html  (Thanks Sim on twitter!)

So either KF is being used by MJ to further the hoax false story about a sickly Michael, or,
KF is not in on the hoax and MJ is including her as a target for teaching a lesson on hurting people.
The only thing I would then have trouble with, is that KF did MJ's (corpse) make-up. How could any dummy or DWD replacement fool her. Or she's lying about doing MJ's corpse make-up to make it sound like she was more inner circle than was true.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on May 11, 2013, 05:49:07 PM
Why Karen is  a witness, if she lied to, intrigued contradicts itself and speak ill of the family
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: iLoveyoumore on May 12, 2013, 04:18:37 AM
Article about Karen Faye from rawstory.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/10/michael-jacksons-make-up-artist-everybody-was-lying-after-he-died/

Michael Jackson’s make-up artist: ‘Everybody was lying after he died’
By Agence France-Presse
Friday, May 10, 2013 20:45 EDT

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Michael Jackson’s make-up artist warned in the 1990s that the star could die due to his drug addiction, she testified Friday, adding that people were initially lying after his 2009 death.

Karen Faye, who worked for the self-styled King of Pop for 27 years, said she voiced concern to a drugs therapist after Jackson’s “Dangerous” tour in the early 1990s, which was cut short when the singer went into rehab.

She was speaking at a Los Angeles trial pitting Jackson’s 82-year-old mother Katherine against AEG Live, the promoter of his final tour whom she accuses of negligently hiring doctor Conrad Murray.

Murray was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in 2011. The Jackson family matriarch says AEG Live were responsible for hiring the medic, and should have known he was inappropriate for the job.

Jackson died on June 25, 2009 of an overdose of the anesthetic propofol, given to him by Murray to help with his insomnia. Lawyers for AEG say he had used the drug, usually only meant for a hospital setting, for years.

“Everybody was lying after he died .. and everyone knew,” said Faye, who was asked to do the make-up on Jackson’s corpse. “I felt retouching Michael was part of that lie and I didnt want to be part of it,” she said.

Faye, who also did Jackson’s hair, said she began to be seriously worried during the “Dangerous” tour. “I said I was afraid Michael could die,” she said, adding: “There were times when he was OK and times when I was worried.”

On one tour stop in Singapore she stumbled into his dressing room to find him taking medication, which he said was to reduce a bald spot on his scalp from burns received during an accident while making a Pepsi advert in 1984.

At times on the tour she saw Debbie Rowe, who at the time was a nurse for Jackson’s dermatologist Dr Arnold Klein but would later marry the singer, carrying medications for the star.

Faye added that she voiced concerns about Jackson’s drug abuse with his siblings Rebbie, LaToya and Randy. The family tried unsuccessfully to get him into rehab in later years, she said.

“I never knew them to be successful … I’m sure they were trying to help him in any way the could,” she said.

The trial continues into its third week Monday.


Well OF COURSE they're lying after Michael's "death" this is a freaking HOAX!  ;D they're talking about drugs yeah but I thought it was funny   ;)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on May 12, 2013, 04:38:12 PM
But....... only  now  these stories come out all together?  :suspect:.... :icon_e_wink: :michael-jackson:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on May 12, 2013, 05:17:30 PM
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But....... only  now  these stories come out all together?  :suspect:.... :icon_e_wink: :michael-jackson:

Yes you are right and that's because I think the hoax has its timing.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on May 13, 2013, 03:50:30 PM
Michael Jackson could not sing and dance live at the same time, claim emails to be presented in court
13 May 2013 08:23
There was a 'secret plan' to use his backing tracks for his This Is It shows

 


Tragic Michael Jackson was so frail in the days before his death he could not sing and dance at the same time, documents allege.

And it is claimed his physical state so worried bosses of his comeback tour that they made contingency plans to use backing tracks at his £100-a-ticket shows.

But The King of Pop died aged 50 from an overdose of powerful anaesthetic shortly before the This Is It shows were was due to start at London’s O2 Arena in July 2009.

Jackson’s mother Katherine, together with his three children, are suing concert promoters AEG Live for £31billion.

A string of emails, seen by the Mirror and to be presented to the Los Angeles Superior Court in California, make it clear there were serious fears about Jacko’s ability to perform.

Long-term Jackson family friend Terry Harvey claims the singer had laid down vocals over several months to work as back-up material for shows.

And the promoter insists he made Jackson’s managers Dr Tohme Tohme, Frank DiLeo and contract lawyer Dennis Hawk aware of his dangerously frail state.

He says he warned Di Leo, who died in 2011: “You are going to kill Michael.”

In other evidence it is claimed Jacko was so emaciated that, two days before he died, his heart could be seen beating.

Make-up artist Karen Faye said costume director Michael Bush looked in horror at Jackson’s unclothed body before a dress rehearsal: “He said, ‘Oh my God ... I could see Michael’s heart beat through the skin of his chest’.”

Faye, 60, who worked for Jackson over nearly three decades, claimed he was on the brink of death weeks before his drug overdose.

She wept, describing how she made up Jackson in his coffin, but refused to “help retouch” footage of the singer for the posthumous documentary, “This Is It”.

Faye blasted: “It was a lie. I didn’t want a lie.

“Everybody was lying after he died, (saying) Michael was well. Everybody knew he wasn’t. I felt retouching Michael was just a part of that lie.”

The key emails show there was a difference between the public version of Jackson’s rehearsals and reality.



After announcing the series of This Is It gigs, ticket sales reaped more than £169million at the box office.

But on June 16, 2009 music arranger Michael Bearden revealed the singer was unable to sing live and dance, just three weeks away from the start at London’s 02 Arena.

In a message entitled Plan B, Bearden told Kenny Ortega, producer and director of the This Is It tour, that he planned using Jackson’s studio material.

Bearden wrote: “If we can’t get everything we need from the vault I can use what we have and take out ad libs and such to try to make it feel new.

“MJ is not in shape enough yet to sing this stuff live and dance at the same time. He can use the ballads to sing live and get his stamina back ... I have full confidence he can sing the majority of the show live.

“His voice sounds amazing right now he just needs to build it back up.”

Dancer Travis Payne, who let slip Jackson needed golf carts to get around the arena, responded with, “Great idea”.

There were even rumours, strongly denied, that a Jackson stand-in was used to announce the London gigs.

Harvey, claims the singer recorded show vocals weeks before his rehearsals.

He said: “On This Is It there were moments where he wasn’t singing, his energy levels were down and anyone who worked with him in the past could tell Michael was a way off from 100 per cent. We found out Michael was in the studio recording tracks for the show and even new albums in his last months. You can put your voice in a sequencer and backing track for live shows, so if you don’t want to sing you mime and fans don’t realise.”

Other documents show how, five days before Jackson’s death, Ortega asked AEG managing director Randy Phillips to pull the plug.

On June 20 Ortega wrote: “My concern is that now that we’ve brought the doctor in to the fold ... the artist may be unable to rise to the occasion due to real emotional stuff.”

He continued saying how Jackson was “trembling, rambling and obsessing,” adding: “Everything in me says he should be psychologically evaluated. If we have any chance at all to get him back.”

Ortega added: “He’s terribly frightened it’s all going to go away. He was like a lost boy.” But Phillips shot down Ortega, after consulting Dr Conrad Murray.

Phillips refused to consider stopping the This Is It concerts. “You cannot imagine the harm and ramifications of stopping the show now,” he said.



 
“I am not just talking about AEG’s interests here, but the myriad of stuff and lawsuits swirling around MJ that I crisis manage, and also his well-being.” Signing off as Randy he added: “It’s time to put out the fire, not burn the building.”

Harvey and partners AllGood Entertainment offered Jackson a Dallas 2009 comeback show, on the provision he went to rehab. But the singer chose AEG’s gigs in London.

It prompted a lawsuit with AllGood which they lost in 2010. But today Harvey claims AllGood plan to refile their £200million lawsuit against AEG for stealing the Thriller star from their grasp.

Harvey claims he spoke to Jackson in his last few weeks over the deal with AllGood.

He said: “It was part of the contract for Michael to get clean. His mother Katherine and father Joe knew that, and we made it clear to everyone close to him.

“For months we told Michael’s lawyer at the time Dennis Hawk, his managers Frank DiLeo and Dr Tohme Tohme he needed rehab.

“I told Frank, ‘He needs to get clean first’, but he didn’t want to know. It was an open secret in close circles that Michael had addiction issues.”

Harvey claims Jackson had agreed to do a one-off return gig in Dallas but was lured away by AEG execs.

Harvey, 53, who lives in Oklahoma, said: “Michael’s comeback was tailor-made for one show. He didn’t need to slug it out for 50 nights. The This Is It sales figures prove our formula – they made $200million from a rehearsal, so we would have made more – and Michael would have taken the lion’s share.

“There is a feeling that Michael’s death turned about to be a good business decision for AEG. It hurts me to say that, because people forget Michael was not just a commodity, but a troubled human being, with a lot still to offer, who was dedicated to his three kids. The only reason he did this was so that his kids could see him perform.”

AllGood, who have worked with stars such as Bon Jovi and Stevie Wonder, are set to refile their £200million law suit in the next few weeks.

“We feel there is a strong case,” said Harvey. “The company were not given access to the emails that have come up in this case.

“We have depositions from senior AEG executives, who insisted that Michael was healthy enough to do ‘100 shows’ in the days before the rehearsals. The emails in the Jackson case suggest they had knowledge of problems. People knew Michael had a long term drug condition.

“His employees saw him unable to walk after visiting doctors – it was even on the news, but no one stepped in. I think AEG will lose to Katherine Jackson.”

The Jackson family claim that as Jackson’s personal physician Dr Conrad Murray was responsible for administering the fatal anaesthetic, AEG should be held responsible as they were his employer. AEG deny responsibility.

Murray, paid £100,000 a month by Jackson, got four years jail for involuntary manslaughter.



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/michael-jackson-could-not-sing-1886104
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on May 13, 2013, 04:32:41 PM
Soon is June 25..  :icon_rolleyes: and Michael with this trial is telling things that happened 4 years ago..... there is definitely a reason... :icon_bounce:...Waiting for !!! The best is yet to come !!!  :icon_bounce: :michael-jackson:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on May 13, 2013, 04:43:32 PM
How can Staples Center host The Jacksons Unity Tour if this venue belongs to AEG and KJ is suing them??

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKG3YyECEAA7kIb.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on May 13, 2013, 05:00:07 PM
 @ sweetsunsetwithMJ   How can Staples Center host The Jacksons Unity Tour if this venue belongs to AEG and KJ is suing them??



 :icon_e_surprised:   more and more certain...the best is yet to come !!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on May 13, 2013, 05:46:34 PM
Choreographer: No signs Jackson was ill in 2009
By ANTHONY McCARTNEY | Associated Press – 29 mins ago


http://news.yahoo.com/choreographer-no-signs-jackson-ill-2009-182727219.html
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: mindseye on May 13, 2013, 06:14:40 PM
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Choreographer: No signs Jackson was ill in 2009
By ANTHONY McCARTNEY | Associated Press – 29 mins ago


http://news.yahoo.com/choreographer-no-signs-jackson-ill-2009-182727219.html

Also found video story on http://ktla.com/2013/05/13/choreographer-jackson-pulled-it-together-in-final-rehearsals/#axzz2TDDtxuIy

Showing comparison of Michael in Ghost video disguise compared to his This is it skinny pic?  :LolLolLolLol:

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/ghost.jpg)


ppl were tweeting that Navi was in court today. I'm not sure if that's true or if it was really him.

@officialnavi 10h
what has everyone got planned this week?. For me it's a case of more work on the shows, as well as some business... http://fb.me/24PDmP60X
5:32 AM - 13 May 13
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on May 13, 2013, 06:26:38 PM
You can have some trial updates from Anthony McCartney tweets:

https://twitter.com/mccartneyAP
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on May 13, 2013, 06:59:33 PM
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How can Staples Center host The Jacksons Unity Tour if this venue belongs to AEG and KJ is suing them??

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKG3YyECEAA7kIb.jpg:large)




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There is a feeling that Michael's death turned about to be a good business decision for AEG.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/michael-jackson-could-not-sing-1886104
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on May 13, 2013, 08:09:16 PM
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You can have some trial updates from Anthony McCartney tweets:

https://twitter.com/mccartneyAP


Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 1h
Payne attended an April meeting at Michael Jackson’s home. Said he saw no signs of impairment, drug abuse by the singer.


                                                          ;D
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on May 13, 2013, 11:28:44 PM
https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts

Stacy Walker, the Associate Choreographer for "This Is It" tour":

Boyle: Did you ever see MJ covered in blankets watching rehearsal with heaters? Walker: I never saw heaters or blankets

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h

Boyle plays clip of film "Ghost". Walker said MJ was pretty impressive, played 5 different roles. "Probably one of the hardest jobs I had."

Walker said MJ was the nicest person ever, they were not friends. "Guarded is a strong word, he let people see Michael Jackson, not Michael"

I copied some of the tweets from ABC7 that I find really curious.  Who's lying about the heaters and blankets and who's telling the truth?
It is very significant to me that they find it important to play a clip from "Ghost" at a wrongful death lawsuit trial and then to have Walker emphasize that Michael played 5 different roles in that short film!!!!!!!!!!
"
The last tweet is the most important in my opinion, Walker says "Michael let people see Michael Jackson, not Michael"
This is so significant and it's been discussed here so many times, that Michael lets us see only what he wants us to see at a specific time.

Also, some members have also mentioned this, to expect the unexpected.  I had not heard of Stacy Walker before, I have heard of almost everyone else involved in Michael's life, but not Stacy Walker.  Important information is coming from unexpected sources.......
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on May 14, 2013, 01:29:33 AM
^^^ Thanks for posting Faithad - funny, I decided to give the trial a miss yesterday - it's been taking me to places (websites, blogs, twitters) that I really don't want to spend time in - but those comments you posted have me hooked again!  Need to go and read up on all yesterday's proceedings now!

Just playing Devil's Advocate for a moment: the mismatch in testimonies about heaters and blankets doesn't mean someone has to be lying. Not everyone was everywhere witnessing everything at all times!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on May 14, 2013, 02:09:26 AM
These caught my eye, as well as the ones Faithad777 listed.

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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts4h
"He was great, very bratty and sassy as he was. He was just a funny guy at times," Walker said.
Sounds just like our Front!

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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts4h
On Jun 25, Walker was rehearsing Michael's disappearing act. She said Payne called saying he heard on the radio MJ was in the hospital
Which is exactly what he did!! Ha!

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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts4h
During "Dangerous" relationship with MJ grew. Payne said all he knew pain was an on going issue for MJ since the Pepsi commercial accident
Payne/pain :icon_e_wink:  So MJ only told him about his pain, but MJ could have been telling him this for future hoax purposes.

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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts3h
"Drill" was the last thing they worked together, Payne said. Michael had a great love for military precision.
Getting ready for the Army of Love!! And the hoax, carried out with precision, and like clock-work.
 :michael_jackson-1135:

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Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP8h
Cahan also asked whether he ever concluded that any other doctors contributed to Jackson’s death. “I don’t believe so,” Roger said.
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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts4h
Def atty: Did any other doctor, other than Dr. Murray, contributed to MJ's death? Dr. Rogers: Yes, other doctors contributed to his death
Talk about contradictory statements or records being kept of what people say. :icon_lol:

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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts3h
Bina shows an email Payne wrote. It said MJ was very persistent about having a torch, a concept that meant a lot to Michael.
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Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP6h
When Payne was describing the illuminated “Billie Jean” costume, he looked out into the audience and nodded at Katherine Jackson.
The torch was used for the Greek Olympics, and is a symbol of the Illuminati.  We've talked in the past about 'Billie Jean', cryptically referring to Prince William's genes--the holy grail or bloodline. Interesting that here he nods at Katherine, as if a clue/code word has been given.
TS and Front have both said that the Illuminati or TPTB are part of the enemy he will fight against, as in Michael slaying the dragon.
MsFlying Fairy talks about the 'torch' in her new video from yesterday.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fBr9uZ7QkI[/youtube]
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on May 14, 2013, 09:16:47 AM
MJonmind you could add Will.I.am moonwalking with the Olympic Torch   :icon_lol:

(http://ryanseacrest.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/William-Olympics-600-400.jpg)

Will.i.Am Moonwalks Across England with the Olympic Torch [VIDEO]

http://ryanseacrest.com/2012/05/22/will-i-am-moonwalks-across-england-with-the-olympic-torch-video/
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on May 14, 2013, 05:17:43 PM
 @ Faithad777  let people see Michael Jackson, not Michael


And behind all there is our wonderful boys ...... for sure !!!!  :moonwalk_:

Thanks Faithad  :icon_razz:



ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h
Travis Payne back on the stand. He's wearing gold wings on the side of his jacket sleeves with the initial "MJ" on them.

                                            ;)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on May 14, 2013, 06:57:25 PM
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/jackson-described-loopy-after-doctor-visits

At first I didn't want to post this, but we are here to find the truth about what happened to Michael, even though at times it feels as if we never will.........


JACKSON DESCRIBED AS 'LOOPY' AFTER DOCTOR VISITS
By ANTHONY McCARTNEY
— May. 14 6:29 PM EDT

 
FILE - In this June 23, 2009 handout photo provided by AEG, pop star Michael Jackson rehearses at the Staples Center in Los Angeles. Stacy Walker, a choreographer who worked with Jackson in his ill-fated “This Is It” shows, told a civil jury in a Los Angeles courtroom on Monday May 13, 2013, that she did not see any signs that the singer was ill or might die in his final days and weeks. Walker is AEG’s first defense witness in a civil case filed by Jackson’s mother, Katherine Jackson, who claims the concert giant failed to properly investigate or supervise the doctor convicted in 2011 of causing the singer’s death. (AP Photo/ Kevin Mazur, AEG/Getty Images, file) ** MANDATORY CREDIT. NO SALES, ARCHIVE OUT **
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LOS ANGELES (AP) — Michael Jackson appeared "a little loopy" after visits with his longtime dermatologist, a choreographer who worked one-on-one with the pop superstar told a jury Tuesday.

Travis Payne said he witnessed Jackson's unusual behavior after the singer visited Dr. Arnold Klein, who Payne believed was performing cosmetic treatments on the singer so that he would be comfortable performing onstage again.

"Sometimes in rehearsal, Michael would appear just a little loopy," Payne said, adding that the singer appeared to be "assisted or under the influence of something."

Under cross examination, Payne acknowledged that much of Jackson's behavior, including grogginess, lethargy, insomnia and occasional paranoia, were possible symptoms of prescription drug abuse. He also had to admit that he could not recall all the times he and Jackson rehearsed one-on-one, despite telling jurors Monday that he and the singer worked out daily.

Payne was working for AEG Live LLC, the company promoting Jackson's the "This Is It" tour, which was canceled after Jackson's June 2009 death.

He said he relayed his concerns about Jackson's possible prescription drug use to tour director Kenny Ortega.

The choreographer is testifying for AEG, which is being sued by Jackson's mother. Katherine Jackson claims AEG failed to properly investigate Conrad Murray, the doctor who was convicted of involuntary manslaughter for Jackson's death, and that the concert promoter also missed or ignored signs of Jackson's poor health.

AEG denies it hired Murray and claims Jackson was private about medical treatments and hid the depths of his prescription drug addiction. Jackson died from an overdose of the anesthetic propofol, which Murray was giving him as a sleep aid.

The company also did not hire the dermatologist, Klein.

Klein is listed as a potential witness in the case, but it's unknown whether he will testify. His treatment of Jackson, which included Demerol shots, have been scrutinized both during Murray's 2011 criminal trial and the current civil case.

Payne, the choreographer, said he witnessed Jackson's unusual behavior several times in the weeks before his death. The singer also appeared groggy during some morning sessions, Payne said, and Jackson occasionally complained he was having trouble sleeping.

Payne initially said under questioning by AEG attorney Jessica Stebbins Bina that he did not think Jackson had a problem with prescription medications. However, under questioning by Katherine Jackson's attorney Brian Panish, Payne said he was concerned about Jackson's medication use.

"At the moment, I had no inkling of what was ultimately revealed after Mr. Jackson's passing," he said.


Payne and Panish engaged in several testy exchanges during cross-examination, including about whether Jackson was always present at his one-on-one rehearsal sessions at the singer's home. Payne acknowledged Jackson sometimes skipped sessions.

"I don't have a dog in this race," Payne said at one point. "I'm just trying to have a conversation with you and tell the truth."

Payne told jurors he met Murray twice, but both encounters were brief.

He worked with Jackson beginning in the 1990s and testified that he never saw Jackson drink alcohol or take any medications. The singer also never discussed his medical treatments, Payne said.

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Anthony McCartney can be reached at http://twitter.com/mccartneyAP .

It seems AEG wants to push Klein under the bus, so that they are not found responsible for any wrongdoing.  So, bearing this in mind, how do we know whether Michael was cold, tired and taking medication or he wasn't. 
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on May 14, 2013, 07:06:14 PM
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You can have some trial updates from Anthony McCartney tweets:

https://twitter.com/mccartneyAP


Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 1h
Payne attended an April meeting at Michael Jackson’s home. Said he saw no signs of impairment, drug abuse by the singer.


                                                         ;D






And also, remember what you said Lou Ferrigno it  well  physically was Michael
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on May 14, 2013, 08:19:22 PM
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[ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5h
Payne said that in April, May, June, MJ missed 5 rehearsals with the whole group. He said one time Ortega sent MJ home./quote]



This is part of an interview with Travis Payne.

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When you came back to work on “This Is It,” were you concerned at all that he would be able to keep up with all the work?

Travis Payne: Not at all. I knew that Michael Jackson danced every day. He sang every day, though it would not be in front of thousands of people. He was always creating. That is like fuel to an artist. It was just now, recently, that he decided he was ready to share these new ideas with the world. It was just second nature to him. He was always looking for new sounds and trying new ideas. He came with an entire arsenal of things to share when we started this process again.






http://bestofmichaeljackson.jclondon.com/2009/11/02/interview-with-travis-payne-he-says-michael-jackson-was-a-tough-boss-had-clear-vision-and-cared-deeply-about-others-that-sounds-like-our-mj/
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on May 14, 2013, 09:18:40 PM
Nice to see yet another thing we've known all along, confirmed, such as it can be.

ABC7 Court News@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)34m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/334483093622755329)
As to Paris Jackson, Payne said be saw a very protective young lady, smart, astute, with knowledge of the production, very hands on.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on May 15, 2013, 01:42:59 AM
Got a kick out of Tom Mesereau's tweet. He must have had MJ on his mind, who's not really dead.  :icon_lol:

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/MJ%20related%20not%20people%203/mesereausaysrogersREALLYdead_zps04b8b18a.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/lifeisamovie1/media/MJ%20related%20not%20people%203/mesereausaysrogersREALLYdead_zps04b8b18a.jpg.html)

That Mr. Rogers 'really' died in 2003.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PvmO2ylPfw[/youtube]
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on May 15, 2013, 01:49:27 AM
Anyone else feel uneasy with Travis Payne's testimony?  My initial impression, though I need to re-read, was that he started out emphasising how great MJ was and how he'd never seen evidence of him doing medication etc, then he switched to this 'loopy', inadequate picture.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Thriller4ever on May 15, 2013, 03:08:34 AM
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Anyone else feel uneasy with Travis Payne's testimony?  My initial impression, though I need to re-read, was that he started out emphasising how great MJ was and how he'd never seen evidence of him doing medication etc, then he switched to this 'loopy', inadequate picture.

I feel his testimony was wierd too. It is so contradictory. What does he wanna say anyways? and did Payne say he saw Myrray at the rehearsals?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on May 15, 2013, 08:07:53 AM
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Anyone else feel uneasy with Travis Payne's testimony?  My initial impression, though I need to re-read, was that he started out emphasising how great MJ was and how he'd never seen evidence of him doing medication etc, then he switched to this 'loopy', inadequate picture.

I feel his testimony was wierd too. It is so contradictory. What does he wanna say anyways? and did Payne say he saw Myrray at the rehearsals?

Well after all this hoax is made of contradictions , healthy vs sickly, doubles vs Michael, drug addict vs non drug addict and the list goes on...... I am starting to think we will never get to know the real truth because if Michael never wanted us to know it why would he want us to know it now?, remember one thing is "MJ" another very different is "Michael" and MJ is supposedly a drug addict, child abuser, sickly person etc however I am sure Michael is nothing of that, if Michael lives for controversy I am not so sure now that this hoax is made to clear his name but only to expose that he was surrounded by leeches who were willing to do anything to get his money and so warn the world about these evil behaviours.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Thriller4ever on May 15, 2013, 08:28:28 AM
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Anyone else feel uneasy with Travis Payne's testimony?  My initial impression, though I need to re-read, was that he started out emphasising how great MJ was and how he'd never seen evidence of him doing medication etc, then he switched to this 'loopy', inadequate picture.

I feel his testimony was wierd too. It is so contradictory. What does he wanna say anyways? and did Payne say he saw Myrray at the rehearsals?

Well after all this hoax is made of contradictions , healthy vs sickly, doubles vs Michael, drug addict vs non drug addict and the list goes on...... I am starting to think we will never get to know the real truth because if Michael never wanted us to know it why would he want us to know it now?, remember one thing is "MJ" another very different is "Michael" and MJ is supposedly a drug addict, child abuser, sickly person etc however I am sure Michael is nothing of that, if Michael lives for controversy I am not so sure now that this hoax is made to clear his name but only to expose that he was surrounded by leeches who were willing to do anything to get his money and so warn the world about these evil behaviours.

ikr, the confusion. I've been thinking of this blog-post a lot lately http://truenewszone.wordpress.com/2013/01/08/no-message-could-have-been-any-clearer/ (http://truenewszone.wordpress.com/2013/01/08/no-message-could-have-been-any-clearer/)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: mindseye on May 15, 2013, 08:42:57 AM
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Anyone else feel uneasy with Travis Payne's testimony?  My initial impression, though I need to re-read, was that he started out emphasising how great MJ was and how he'd never seen evidence of him doing medication etc, then he switched to this 'loopy', inadequate picture.

I feel his testimony was wierd too. It is so contradictory. What does he wanna say anyways? and did Payne say he saw Myrray at the rehearsals?

Well after all this hoax is made of contradictions , healthy vs sickly, doubles vs Michael, drug addict vs non drug addict and the list goes on...... I am starting to think we will never get to know the real truth because if Michael never wanted us to know it why would he want us to know it now?, remember one thing is "MJ" another very different is "Michael" and MJ is supposedly a drug addict, child abuser, sickly person etc however I am sure Michael is nothing of that, if Michael lives for controversy I am not so sure now that this hoax is made to clear his name but only to expose that he was surrounded by leeches who were willing to do anything to get his money and so warn the world about these evil behaviours.

ikr, the confusion. I've been thinking of this blog-post a lot lately http://truenewszone.wordpress.com/2013/01/08/no-message-could-have-been-any-clearer/ (http://truenewszone.wordpress.com/2013/01/08/no-message-could-have-been-any-clearer/)

btw that is a Parody account of Tom Mesereau.

Interesting blog...  message: encrypted as hell, it could be or maybe it's more obvious than we think. MJ created contradictions to make the illusion of death successful. ppl are perceiving different things at the same time.

I think this video tweeted by @NewsMJs is also interesting. Definitely looks like MJ was in control but then as the 25th approached, MJ started the visual contradictions... loopy  :icon_lol:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NScB1ZdoYn0&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Thriller4ever on May 15, 2013, 09:49:04 AM
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Anyone else feel uneasy with Travis Payne's testimony?  My initial impression, though I need to re-read, was that he started out emphasising how great MJ was and how he'd never seen evidence of him doing medication etc, then he switched to this 'loopy', inadequate picture.

I feel his testimony was wierd too. It is so contradictory. What does he wanna say anyways? and did Payne say he saw Myrray at the rehearsals?

Well after all this hoax is made of contradictions , healthy vs sickly, doubles vs Michael, drug addict vs non drug addict and the list goes on...... I am starting to think we will never get to know the real truth because if Michael never wanted us to know it why would he want us to know it now?, remember one thing is "MJ" another very different is "Michael" and MJ is supposedly a drug addict, child abuser, sickly person etc however I am sure Michael is nothing of that, if Michael lives for controversy I am not so sure now that this hoax is made to clear his name but only to expose that he was surrounded by leeches who were willing to do anything to get his money and so warn the world about these evil behaviours.

ikr, the confusion. I've been thinking of this blog-post a lot lately http://truenewszone.wordpress.com/2013/01/08/no-message-could-have-been-any-clearer/ (http://truenewszone.wordpress.com/2013/01/08/no-message-could-have-been-any-clearer/)

btw that is a Parody account of Tom Mesereau.

Interesting blog...  message: encrypted as hell, it could be or maybe it's more obvious than we think. MJ created contradictions to make the illusion of death successful. ppl are perceiving different things at the same time.

I think this video tweeted by @NewsMJs is also interesting. Definitely looks like MJ was in control but then as the 25th approached, MJ started the visual contradictions... loopy  :icon_lol:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NScB1ZdoYn0&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]

Yes, i saw this video on twitter. Whatever he may have said, but Travis Payne is definitely in the hoax. And his contradicting testimony is also for a reason. Encryption? or mindgames? That's why I keep saying that we'll never really know anything about this hoax for sure. until the end. So many theories, assumptions, opinions...they've all happened for purpose. but why? Maybe to keep this hoax all complicated and not at all accessible and comprehensible so that only those who've been following from the start could understand.

anyways, Let's see what comes out from these courtroom theatrics.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on May 15, 2013, 11:15:12 AM
I wish we had eyes inside the courtroom like we did during Murray's trial.  We would have a better idea and make up our minds by looking at these witnesses and their body language.  After almost 4 years of investigating, I believe we've all become very good at reading people............

We may even see a pumpkin, a rabbit and an elephant or two...................if only we could see inside the courtroom!!!!!!

Did we hear from the juror who at the beginning was saying that he wasn't sure that Michael is dead?  Did they keep him or replace him?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on May 15, 2013, 02:08:10 PM
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I wish we had eyes inside the courtroom like we did during Murray's trial.  We would have a better idea and make up our minds by looking at these witnesses and their body language.  After almost 4 years of investigating, I believe we've all become very good at reading people............

We may even see a pumpkin, a rabbit and an elephant or two...................if only we could see inside the courtroom!!!!!!

Did we hear from the juror who at the beginning was saying that he wasn't sure that Michael is dead?  Did they keep him or replace him?

Didn't he say that he would finally stipulate Michael being dead??
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on May 15, 2013, 02:33:51 PM
No, sweet, that was Putnam not the juror. Don't know what became of that juror - can't see any such reference, in this link at least:

http://teammichaeljackson.com/archives/8175
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on May 15, 2013, 03:53:24 PM
Mindseye, thanks for telling me, do you know what’s his verified one?

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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 19h
Payne mentioned one day in particular at a meeting with Andre Crouch and singers, MJ seemed a little out of it.
Quote
“We loved and respected Michael enormously and we’ve been friends with him for many, many years, and are deeply saddened by his sudden and tragic death. We recently met with Michael to discuss recording two songs with our choir for his newest recording project.

“Michael always had a respect and curiosity for spiritual things. During our meeting, not unlike many other creative/music meetings we’ve had with him in the past, we sang together, prayed together and had a wonderful time." Andrae Crouch http://blog.beliefnet.com/gospelsoun...ter-sandr.html
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Indra
"...at the rehearsal before he passed, [Michael Jackson] stood right there in the middle of us all and talked about the [TII] tour and how the stage was going to be built and what it would look like. But in the same breath he said, “I don’t wanna go on this tour, I just don’t feel right about it”. That’s what he said. He kinda knew that something was going on but he didn’t know what." -Andrae Crouch"

Can't really let go of that. I'm glad he got to spend time with Pastor Crouch but what the freak was going on....?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NflCo...ature=youtu.be

Link to the song that michael asked the crouch siblings to shing for/with him just days before he passed away.  http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/120896-Gospel-music-legend-Andrae-Crouch-talks-about-Michael-)

I checked the witness lists and AC is not on them.
http://www.sweetslyrics.com/680374.ANDRAE%20CROUCH%20-%20It%20Won't%20Be%20Long.html
And why are they looking for a white Messiah as depicted in that statue?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on May 15, 2013, 04:09:28 PM
Ok, thanks curls.  I guess just like anything else in this hoax everything and everyone has their time to shine and then poof, like magic, they're gone.............
If I remember correctly, it was juror #7, who was a male,  and they were debating whether he needed to be replaced or not.  I checked out the link you posted, and on it juror #7 is a black female........... so go figure..........
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on May 15, 2013, 04:21:17 PM
Quote
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts19h
Email from Randy to Paul: "Make sure you take out the shots of MJ in that red jacket... He looks way too thin and skeletal."
(http://i468.photobucket.com/albums/rr49/riviera1992/Rushkasjacket.jpg)
(http://i468.photobucket.com/albums/rr49/riviera1992/MichaelandRushka1.jpg)
The Bergman photo shoot was in 2007, and MJ looks just as thin as then, as he wears the same jacket easily in June 2009.

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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts18h
Payne said a body double was requested for MJ. Misha Gabriel was MJ's body double, but shorter than him.
The stunt was him jumping through plate glass, but otherwise he was one of the dancers.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: finfin on May 15, 2013, 05:03:25 PM

                                                                                        (http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/1328/medgallery566213944236.jpg)

                              Here is a video from Anne who is a believer and has been attending the trial
                              ( Her videos are well worth watching btw )

                               Please notice the comment at the end - could this be a Slip Up ?


                                                                                  [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlPOYw9DMAo [/youtube]
                                                   

                                                                                         
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on May 15, 2013, 05:23:54 PM
finfin, is this the comment you're referring to?  "The Judge said let's hurry this along.  The cameras and audio are still rolling"??????
What cameras?????? Cameras were not allowed in this trial..............
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on May 15, 2013, 05:38:24 PM
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finfin, is this the comment you're referring to?  "The Judge said let's hurry this along.  The cameras and audio are still rolling"??????
What cameras?????? Cameras were not allowed in this trial..............

not allowed for media purposes ...  but allowed for documentary purposes :icon_cool:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on May 15, 2013, 05:41:23 PM
Or the comment she made about this being a new goal for Michael that he had never done and it's a super achievement if he could attain it singing and dancing live had to be a challenge?????
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: finfin on May 15, 2013, 05:46:09 PM
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finfin, is this the comment you're referring to?  "The Judge said let's hurry this along.  The cameras and audio are still rolling"??????
What cameras?????? Cameras were not allowed in this trial..............

Yep yep the cameras and audio still rolling comment  :icon_e_wink: :icon_cool: :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on May 15, 2013, 06:18:47 PM
Oh good, a new trial documentary coming in the future! Make some money from it...
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on May 15, 2013, 06:26:11 PM
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No, sweet, that was Putnam not the juror. Don't know what became of that juror - can't see any such reference, in this link at least:

http://teammichaeljackson.com/archives/8175

Putman is not a juror??
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on May 15, 2013, 06:32:19 PM
In the closeup shot of Michael that finfin posted, he looks healthy, I don't see that much of a change in him through the years in that photo. He does look pensive and may be sad thinking "how do I get myself out of this sh*t"???? IMO
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on May 15, 2013, 06:59:07 PM
Travis Payne and Michael in TII:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NScB1ZdoYn0&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]

Btw who is that girl on that pic with Michael?? I am kinda jealous  :icon_geek:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on May 15, 2013, 07:46:04 PM
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Anyone else feel uneasy with Travis Payne's testimony?  My initial impression, though I need to re-read, was that he started out emphasising how great MJ was and how he'd never seen evidence of him doing medication etc, then he switched to this 'loopy', inadequate picture.

I feel his testimony was wierd too. It is so contradictory. What does he wanna say anyways? and did Payne say he saw Myrray at the rehearsals?

Well after all this hoax is made of contradictions , healthy vs sickly, doubles vs Michael, drug addict vs non drug addict and the list goes on...... I am starting to think we will never get to know the real truth because if Michael never wanted us to know it why would he want us to know it now?, remember one thing is "MJ" another very different is "Michael" and MJ is supposedly a drug addict, child abuser, sickly person etc however I am sure Michael is nothing of that, if Michael lives for controversy I am not so sure now that this hoax is made to clear his name but only to expose that he was surrounded by leeches who were willing to do anything to get his money and so warn the world about these evil behaviours.


Totally agree sweet. And, as I have said before,Mike has done well to make the June 25:now he is  able to understand many things ,realized who really loves him and those were around him for interest....and is close to us . I hope he understand that here there is only immense love for him  him  :icon_razz: :bearhug:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on May 16, 2013, 01:47:14 AM
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No, sweet, that was Putnam not the juror. Don't know what became of that juror - can't see any such reference, in this link at least:

http://teammichaeljackson.com/archives/8175

Putman is not a juror??

Sorry sweet, I obviously didn't make myself clear. Your English is so good that I forget it is not your first language and I don't always write clearly. I apologise!

I was answering your earlier comment about the juror who had said he wasn't sure MJ was dead. You said you thought he had in the end stipulated that he was dead. My comment was to point out it was the AEG lawyer Putnam who had agreed to stipulate (that MJ was dead), not that juror.

Again, I'm sorry for the mix-up!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on May 16, 2013, 09:49:55 AM
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No, sweet, that was Putnam not the juror. Don't know what became of that juror - can't see any such reference, in this link at least:

http://teammichaeljackson.com/archives/8175

Putman is not a juror??

Sorry sweet, I obviously didn't make myself clear. Your English is so good that I forget it is not your first language and I don't always write clearly. I apologise!

I was answering your earlier comment about the juror who had said he wasn't sure MJ was dead. You said you thought he had in the end stipulated that he was dead. My comment was to point out it was the AEG lawyer Putnam who had agreed to stipulate (that MJ was dead), not that juror.

Again, I'm sorry for the mix-up!

Oops sorry Curls it's not your bad it's mine, yes Marvin Putman is a lawyer and not a juror, you know so many names and titles in this hoax that I was mixed up.
On the other hand I do really appreciate when you say that my english is good, thanks dear I will tell you that I LOVE english language and I really try my best.

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on May 16, 2013, 05:50:26 PM
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I wish we had eyes inside the courtroom like we did during Murray's trial.  We would have a better idea and make up our minds by looking at these witnesses and their body language.  After almost 4 years of investigating, I believe we've all become very good at reading people............

We may even see a pumpkin, a rabbit and an elephant or two...................if only we could see inside the courtroom!!!!!!

Did we hear from the juror who at the beginning was saying that he wasn't sure that Michael is dead?  Did they keep him or replace him?



I think  if Michael want we follow the trial through the words of the media, is because everyone understands even more that they are not reliable,and say bad ,unjust things only for money.... and with him have always done so... :smiley_abuv:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on May 17, 2013, 11:10:12 AM
Any resemblance to the actuality is a coincidence.


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Jackson Hit With $20-Million Lawsuit : 
Pop music: The pop star faces a fraud and
breach-of-contract claim  by the promoter
of his canceled 'Dangerous' tour.                                                                           
The singer performed only 24 of the 43 shows.


December 29, 1993
CHUCK PHILIPS
SPECIAL TO THE TIMES
 
Embattled pop star Michael Jackson was sued Tuesday
for more than $20 million in a fraud and breach-of-contract
claim by the promoter of his abruptly canceled "Dangerous
World Tour."The suit, filed in Los Angeles Superior Court,
alleges that Jackson refuses to reimburse Marcel Avram,
the owner of Munich-based Mama Concerts, the money
for debts resulting from cancellations on the tour.

But in Tuesday's lawsuit, Avram alleges that Jackson's
conduct and performance problems resulted from
the entertainer's addiction to morphine and Demerol.

The suit claims that agents or advisers for Jackson provided
the singer with a supply of drugs and deceived Avram by
misrepresenting the singer's health problems.

False information about the status of Jackson's health
was unknowingly used by the promoter on Aug. 17 to obtain
an insurance policy from Lloyds of London to guarantee against
financial losses resulting from Jackson's failure or inability to
perform scheduled concerts on the tour, the suit says.
The settlement of the insurance policy is now in question.

http://articles.latimes.com/1993-12-29/entertainment/ca-6422_1_pop-star-michael-jackson



http://mjhoaxlive.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on May 17, 2013, 06:36:15 PM
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I agree, Paula. I wonder if we'll be given regular updates if this goes to trial.

+ 1      :moonwalk_:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on May 17, 2013, 08:34:10 PM
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Hom said that Dr. Murray asking for $5 million raised a red flag. "It's outrageous."

Murray 5 million 5 million Tohme, that was the amount that supposedly Tohme   return or something

https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on May 18, 2013, 01:02:01 AM

Michael Jackson manager's e-mails found, could be key in AEG trial


http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/17/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/index.html

I'm sorry, my laptop is acting up and I couldn't copy the article.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: onthewingsoflove on May 18, 2013, 05:21:23 PM
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Michael Jackson manager's e-mails found, could be key in AEG trial


http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/17/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/index.html

I'm sorry, my laptop is acting up and I couldn't copy the article.

Thanks for the link to the article.  Read it. Didn't like this:

"While the Jackson lawyers wanted to explore how AEG's lawyers came to represent the DiLeo estate in Ohio, the judge declined exploring the matter.

"All we know right now they're not representing her, and that's enough for us," Judge Yvette Palazuelos said."

Seems to me that should have been brought into the case. But I'm not a judge so what do I know!

Maybe they just don't have enough time to fit that in!  :suspect:

Stay blessed!

OnTheWingsOfLove
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on May 18, 2013, 06:36:12 PM
Here the article...thanks Faithad for sharing

Los Angeles (CNN) -- A cache of e-mails believed lost when Michael Jackson's last manager's laptop disappeared could become key evidence in the wrongful death trial against AEG Live.
Lawyers for Michael Jackson's mother and three children don't know what they'll find in Frank DiLeo's e-mails, but they are hoping it will support their contention that DiLeo was beholden to the concert promoter and not to Jackson.
Jackson changed managers twice in the last three months of his life. In late March 2009, he hired Leonard Rowe -- one of his father's friends -- to replace Tohme Tohme, the manager who initially negotiated the deal with AEG for his "This Is It" tour.
Jackson lawyers argue that AEG Live forced Jackson to take DiLeo, who had worked for him off and on for decades, as his manager in May 2009 because they did not want to work with Rowe.
Their contention is part of their larger argument that AEG Live executives were liable for Jackson's death because they hired, retained or supervised Dr. Conrad Murray, the physician convicted of involuntary manslaughter.
AEG counters that it was Jackson who chose and hired Murray, not them. AEG lawyers argue that Jackson was responsible for his own death and that drug addiction led to his bad decisions.
The coroner ruled his death, which came near the end of preparations for a series of comeback concerts, was caused by an overdose of the surgical anesthetic propofol that Murray was using to treat Jackson's insomnia.
AEG Live contends its executives had no way of knowing the doctor was using propofol in the privacy of Jackson's bedroom.
The Jacksons are seeking billions of dollars in damages, equal to what Michael Jackson might have earned if he had not died on June 25, 2009. The Los Angeles trial began three weeks ago and is expected to continue into July.
The lawsuit contends AEG Live ignored warning signs about Jackson's health in his last weeks, and instead of getting him help they pressured Jackson and Murray to have him at rehearsals. DiLeo would have been part of that pressure, they contend.
"Get him a bucket of chicken," DiLeo said on June 19, 2009, in reply to concerns about Jackson's weight loss, makeup artist Karen Faye testified last week. "It was such a cold response, it broke my heart," Faye said through tears.
The next day -- June 20, 2009 -- DiLeo left a voice mail on Murray's cell phone. "I'm sure you're aware he had an episode last night. He's sick. Today's Saturday. Tomorrow, I'm on my way back. I'm not going to continue my trip. I think you need to get a blood test on him. We got to see what he's doing?"
DiLeo's e-mails were recovered after what the judge called "a lot of red tape and kind of cloudiness," that included the AEG's lawyers also representing the estate of DiLeo, who died in 2011, in fighting the Jacksons' subpoena for them.
"Because (DiLeo's widow) didn't have litigation counsel, we're representing her for the limited purposes of responding to that subpoena," AEG's lead lawyer, Marvin Putnam, told the judge.
Soon after an Ohio court ordered DiLeo's estate to give his laptop and e-mails to the Jackson lawyers, the AEG lawyers -- in their other capacity representing the DiLeo estate -- reported that they could not locate the computer or e-mails.
Jackson lawyers, however, learned that the DiLeo estate's previous lawyer -- Pennsylvania lawyer David Regoli -- kept a copy of the e-mail files. For the past several weeks, however, the AEG lawyers argued he had no authority to provide them to the Jacksons' lawyers for use in the case against AEG.
But in a phone call to the court this week, Regoli said he advised DiLeo's widow, Linda DiLeo, that "in my opinion, it was a conflict" for AEG's lawyers -- from the Los Angeles firm O'Melveny and Myers -- to represent her in the matter.
"She said that she never signed anything with O'Melveny and Myers to authorize them to represent her, and as of this moment they are not representing her anymore," Regoli said.
Linda DiLeo then rehired Regoli, which allows him to send the e-mails on to the Jacksons -- after removing any that are personal or not relevant to the case.
"I think I can give the court my assurances that I'll go through the documents that I have and I'll go through the e-mails, and anything that is related to the subpoena, I would obviously turn over," Regoli said.
As for the missing laptop, there was a simple explanation. Linda DiLeo "had told me her daughter had given it to a friend who needed a computer," Regoli said. "It wasn't a very new computer."
While the Jackson lawyers wanted to explore how AEG's lawyers came to represent the DiLeo estate in Ohio, the judge declined exploring the matter.
"All we know right now they're not representing her, and that's enough for us," Judge Yvette Palazuelos said.
The trial's fourth week starts Monday morning with AEG's chief counsel, Shawn Trell, on the witness stand. Jackson lawyers are expected to grill him about the contract negotiations with Michael Jackson and Murray.



I am really amazed that this news come out only now with the trial.....really amazed.... :confused:


A cache of e-mails believed lost when Michael Jackson's last manager's laptop disappeared could become key evidence in the wrongful death trial against AEG Live.      :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Love4Michael on May 18, 2013, 07:47:14 PM
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Michael Jackson manager's e-mails found, could be key in AEG trial


http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/17/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/index.html

I'm sorry, my laptop is acting up and I couldn't copy the article.

Thanks for the link to the article.  Read it. Didn't like this:

"While the Jackson lawyers wanted to explore how AEG's lawyers came to represent the DiLeo estate in Ohio, the judge declined exploring the matter.

"All we know right now they're not representing her, and that's enough for us," Judge Yvette Palazuelos said."

Seems to me that should have been brought into the case. But I'm not a judge so what do I know!

Maybe they just don't have enough time to fit that in!  :suspect:

Stay blessed!

OnTheWingsOfLove

I'm with you OTWOL...don't like it one bit!  They claim that while they were fighting the subpoena they didn't know where the computer actually was....Yeah...Right!  Who knows what was deleted in the time that elapsed and why in hell would an Ohio based attorney have a copy of the supposed complete email file if the thing was missing.  Very suspect in my book.  I have a hard time also with the explanation that the excuse that it was MIA was because the daughter gave it to a random friend who needed a computer.  If your Father passed...wouldn't it be too sentimental to you to part with?  Not to mention that there were likely things connected to Michael in it's files.   Simply not believable in my book.  If nothing else a chain of custody should be established or how could the evidence be used?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on May 18, 2013, 08:12:55 PM
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Quote from: onthewingsoflove on May 18, 2013, 11:21:23 PM

    Quote from: Faithad777 on May 18, 2013, 07:02:01 AM

        Michael Jackson manager's e-mails found, could be key in AEG trial


        http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/17/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/index.html

        I'm sorry, my laptop is acting up and I couldn't copy the article.


    Thanks for the link to the article.  Read it. Didn't like this:

    "While the Jackson lawyers wanted to explore how AEG's lawyers came to represent the DiLeo estate in Ohio, the judge declined exploring the matter.

    "All we know right now they're not representing her, and that's enough for us," Judge Yvette Palazuelos said."

    Seems to me that should have been brought into the case. But I'm not a judge so what do I know!

    Maybe they just don't have enough time to fit that in!  :suspect:

    Stay blessed!

    OnTheWingsOfLove


I'm with you OTWOL...don't like it one bit!  They claim that while they were fighting the subpoena they didn't know where the computer actually was....Yeah...Right!  Who knows what was deleted in the time that elapsed and why in hell would an Ohio based attorney have a copy of the supposed complete email file if the thing was missing.  Very suspect in my book.  I have a hard time also with the explanation that the excuse that it was MIA was because the daughter gave it to a random friend who needed a computer.  If your Father passed...wouldn't it be too sentimental to you to part with?  Not to mention that there were likely things connected to Michael in it's files.   Simply not believable in my book.  If nothing else a chain of custody should be established or how could the evidence be used?


I agree.  It looks like there were probably damning emails and info. on that computer that AEG didn't want to be uncovered.  So they are covering up by lame excuses and now that after they probably deleted some important info., they have tampered with evidence and it is illegal to do that, but hey they are so good at cover ups, conspiracies and lies that it's second nature to them.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: onthewingsoflove on May 19, 2013, 04:26:37 AM
Hi all, on a brighter note, maybe AEG didn’t shred the email files but only deleted them. I worked for a company a year ago that had a file-shredding tool on all their computers for confidentiality because it is possible to retrieve a file even after it has been deleted.  Here is some information from an article entitled: “HTG Explains: Why Deleted Files Can Be Recovered and How You Can Prevent It.”

“When you delete a file, it isn’t really erased – it continues existing on your hard drive, even after you empty it from the Recycle Bin. This allows you (and other people) to recover files you’ve deleted. If you’re not careful, this will also allow other people to recover your confidential files, even if you think you’ve deleted them. This is a particularly important concern when you’re disposing of a computer or hard drive.

Windows (and other operating systems) keep track of where files are on a hard drive through “pointers.” Each file and folder on your hard disk has a pointer that tells Windows where the file’s data begins and ends.

When you delete a file, Windows removes the pointer and marks the sectors containing the file’s data as available. From the file system’s point of view, the file is no longer present on your hard drive and the sectors containing its data are considered free space.

However, until Windows actually writes new data over the sectors containing the contents of the file, the file is still recoverable. A file recovery program can scan a hard drive for these deleted files and restore them. If the file has been partially overwritten, the file recovery program can only recover part of the data.

To increase performance and save time, Windows and other operating systems don’t erase a file’s contents when it’s deleted. If you want to erase a file’s contents when it’s deleted, you can use a “file-shredding” tool.

Remember this when getting rid of a computer or hard drive – your confidential files may still be present on your hard drive if you haven’t properly erased them.”

Source: http://www.howtogeek.com/125521/htg-explains-why-deleted-files-can-be-recovered-and-how-you-can-prevent-it/

Another article I read said:
"...there are indeed services that use advanced technologies to attempt to read this incompletely erased prior data. By "advanced" I mean that you remove your hard drive and send it to them. They then open the hard drive in a clean-room and use special equipment to attempt to perform the task.

Oh, and it's expensive. Really expensive.

The success rate of this type of recovery really depends on how many times the data in a particular spot on disk has been overwritten with new data. If it's been overwritten once then the chances are much better than if the data had been overwritten, say, 20 times. That's the premise of tools like sdelete or "Secure Delete". Using sdelete you can delete a file and specify the number of times it should be overwritten, specifically to avoid this type of data recovery."
Source: http://ask-leo.com/can_i_retrieve_a_deleted_email_from_three_years_ago.html

I think Michael's estate can afford to take advantage of this advanced technology! Can’t wait to see what emails they’ve have retrieved!! :icon_e_biggrin:

Blessings!

OnTheWingsOfLove
   


Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on May 19, 2013, 04:54:41 AM
Onthewings, I agree this and more is very fishy.
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"While the Jackson lawyers wanted to explore how AEG's lawyers came to represent the DiLeo estate in Ohio, the judge declined exploring the matter.

"All we know right now they're not representing her, and that's enough for us," Judge Yvette Palazuelos said."
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Love4Michael on May 19, 2013, 12:07:09 PM
The problem is that none of the advanced technology to uncover erased files seems to be expected to be used in this case.  They are apparently leaving it to the discretion of Mrs. DiLeo's attorney to determine what emails in the file copy he has are "relevant".  This is how it's written in articles...

From CNN -"Regoli estimated that the digital file was about two gigabytes in size and he said he would make a log of the emails that would be pertinent to the trial. He is expected to give both the plaintiffs and the defense an update of his progress next week."

From the Guardian..."The Dileo e-mails were recovered after what the judge called “a lot of red tape and kind of cloudiness.” Red tape that included the AEG’s lawyers also representing the estate of DiLeo, who died in 2011, while also fighting against the Jacksons’ subpoena for them.

AEG’s lead lawyer, Marvin Putnam, told the judge. “Because (DiLeo’s widow) didn’t have litigation counsel, we’re representing her for the limited purposes of responding to that subpoena.”

Not long after an Ohio court ordered DiLeo’s estate to give his laptop and e-mails to the Jackson lawyers, the AEG lawyers as the representatives of the DiLeo estate, reported that they could not locate the computer or e-mails.

Jackson’s lawyers had learned that the DiLeo estate’s previous lawyer, Pennsylvania lawyer David Regoli, had kept a copy of the e-mails. The AEG lawyers had argued that Regoli had no authority to provide them to Jacksons’ lawyers for use in the case against AEG.

Regoli told the court in a phone call this week that he had advised DiLeo’s widow, Linda DiLeo, that “in my opinion, it was a conflict” for AEG’s lawyers — from the Los Angeles firm O’Melveny and Myers — to represent her in the matter.

Regoli also said, “She said that she never signed anything with O’Melveny and Myers to authorize them to represent her, and as of this moment they are not representing her anymore.”

Linda DiLeo then rehired Regoli, which allowed him to send the e-mails on to the Jacksons legal team after removing any personal items that were not relevant to the case. Regoli said, “I think I can give the court my assurances that I’ll go through the documents that I have and I’ll go through the e-mails, and anything that is related to the subpoena, I would obviously turn over.”


How do you let some 3rd party lawyer with no guarantee that he's truly unbiased sort through the emails and determine...Yep, you can have that one...Um nope, you're not getting that one?  It's mind blowing how blatantly shoddy the apparent proof requirements are for this trial.  We've already seen lots of "I don't recall seeing that email" testimony...this decision just leaves more room for more of that.  That computer should have undergone forensic analysis by a professional 3rd party to determine a complete log of emails (including any that had been erased).  How else can anyone ever say that the evidence is legit?  This sounds more like a Barney Fife investigation instead if a multi-million (or billion) dollar trail.  It's ludicrous!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on May 19, 2013, 02:52:00 PM
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How do you let some 3rd party lawyer with no guarantee that he's truly unbiased sort through the emails and determine...Yep, you can have that one...Um nope, you're not getting that one?  It's mind blowing how blatantly shoddy the apparent proof requirements are for this trial.  We've already seen lots of "I don't recall seeing that email" testimony...this decision just leaves more room for more of that.  That computer should have undergone forensic analysis by a professional 3rd party to determine a complete log of emails (including any that had been erased).  How else can anyone ever say that the evidence is legit?  This sounds more like a Barney Fife investigation instead if a multi-million (or billion) dollar trail.  It's ludicrous! [/color][/size]

Lofe4Michael, but isn't this paralleling Michael's 2005 trial?  The fingerprint situation is only one of the shoddy situations during that trial.  Ludicrous is an excellent way to describe it.  Oh, come to think of it, Murray's trial was also a farce, a joke rather than a trial.  I mean this was the doctor who allegedly was responsible for the king of pop's death, and what kind of a trial was that where you see an elephant in the courtroom, a rabbit and a pumpkin.  It looked more like a preschool than a courtroom.........
Please tell me I'm not being delusional here, but I'm thinking that someone is making a mockery of the whole judicial system, the lawyers, the doctors, the media, journalists, reporters and please feel free to add anything or anyone that I've missed.........
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on May 19, 2013, 05:06:29 PM
@Faithad777     Lofe4Michael, but isn't this paralleling Michael's 2005 trial?  The fingerprint situation is only one of the shoddy situations during that trial.  Ludicrous is an excellent way to describe it.  Oh, come to think of it, Murray's trial was also a farce, a joke rather than a trial.  I mean this was the doctor who allegedly was responsible for the king of pop's death, and what kind of a trial was that where you see an elephant in the courtroom, a rabbit and a pumpkin.  It looked more like a preschool than a courtroom.........
Please tell me I'm not being delusional here, but I'm thinking that someone is making a mockery of the whole judicial system, the lawyers, the doctors, the media, journalists, reporters and please feel free to add anything or anyone that I've missed.........


It's a film?   :confused: :ghsdf: :judge-smiley:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: onthewingsoflove on May 19, 2013, 05:29:12 PM
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It's a film?   :confused: :ghsdf: :judge-smiley:

It certainly is! A major blockbuster! An Academy Award winner! :bowdown:

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on May 20, 2013, 03:26:46 AM
Faithad777
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Please tell me I'm not being delusional here, but I'm thinking that someone is making a mockery of the whole judicial system, the lawyers, the doctors, the media, journalists, reporters and please feel free to add anything or anyone that I've missed.........

At 6:00, "In the name of God, BELIEVE Tom Robinson!"

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8TgqenWW0I[/youtube]

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From Wiki: the primary themes of To Kill a Mockingbird involve racial injustice and the destruction of innocence. "...mockingbirds never harm other living creatures. She points out that mockingbirds simply provide pleasure with their songs, saying, "They don't do one thing but sing their hearts out for us."[75] Writer Edwin Bruell summarized the symbolism when he wrote in 1964, "'To kill a mockingbird' is to kill that which is innocent and harmless—like Tom Robinson."...To Kill a Mockingbird has been a source of significant controversy since its being the subject of classroom study as early as 1963. The book's racial slurs, profanity, and frank discussion of rape have led people to challenge its appropriateness in libraries and classrooms across the United States. The American Library Association reported that To Kill a Mockingbird was number 21 of the 100 most frequently challenged books of 2000–2009.
Hmm...I'm thinking how much more controversial is the "frank discussion" of sexual child abuse, yet it is perhaps the greatest attention bringer to injustice for this generation, and the need for lawyers to fight for truth, not covering for greed/other evil agendas of powerful people.

Also on the May 17th on MJFB this pic of MJ with Nelson Mandela was posted.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/p480x480/936222_10151625304031473_2116526056_n.jpg)

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From Wiki: In 1962 he was arrested, convicted of sabotage and conspiracy to overthrow the government, and sentenced to life imprisonment in the Rivonia Trial.  Mandela served 27 years in prison... He was the first black South African to hold the office, and the first elected in a fully representative, multiracial election. His government focused on dismantling the legacy of apartheid through tackling institutionalised racism, poverty and inequality, and fostering racial reconciliation.


These are heavy deep themes going on in these recent 2 trials.
Front: "2 birds... 1 stone" (Would that be Atticus FINCH and MOCKINGBIRD?)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,5167.msg393734.html#msg393734
So I know there's a movie MJ's directing, just don't know if all the actors know they're in it.



Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on May 20, 2013, 07:18:42 PM

The abc7courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts) twitter account is on fire today, a must read.  There's even a couple of movie references, to do with AEG.  Hmmm.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)3h (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/336577625239728132)
Trell said he's aware MJ wanted to produce films and Anschutz has a film company. He wasn't aware that MJ and Anschutz met about TTI movie

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)3h (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/336581534846951424)
Trell said he never heard that Randy Phillips spoke with DreamWorks about producing a MJ movie.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on May 20, 2013, 07:32:20 PM
Also, this is an interesting 'coincidence'.  And email from Ortega, where in the first sentence he says "Front" and then an 'n' is dropped in the word 'and'.

ABC7 Court News@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)8m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/336636871276892160)
Email from Ortega to Phillips on 6/20/09 Trouble at the Front
"I honestly don't think he's ready for this based in his continued physical"

ABC7 Court News@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)8m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/336637047374770176)
Email: ...weakening and deepening emotional state. It is reminiscent if what Karen, Bush, Travis and I remembered just before he fainted

ABC7 Court News@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)6m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/336637676272898048)
Email: causing the HBO Concerts to be canceled. There are strong signs of paranoia, anxiety a d obsessive-like behavior.

ABC7 Court News@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)6m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/336637742496763904)
Email:  I think the very best thing we can do is get a top Psychiatrist in to evaluate him ASAP."


(I'd like to know who's behind this twitter account, lol)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: mindseye on May 20, 2013, 08:27:38 PM
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Also, this is an interesting 'coincidence'.  And email from Ortega, where in the first sentence he says "Front" and then an 'n' is dropped in the word 'and'.

ABC7 Court News@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)8m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/336636871276892160)
Email from Ortega to Phillips on 6/20/09 Trouble at the Front
"I honestly don't think he's ready for this based in his continued physical"

ABC7 Court News@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)8m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/336637047374770176)
Email: ...weakening and deepening emotional state. It is reminiscent if what Karen, Bush, Travis and I remembered just before he fainted

ABC7 Court News@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)6m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/336637676272898048)
Email: causing the HBO Concerts to be canceled. There are strong signs of paranoia, anxiety a d obsessive-like behavior.

ABC7 Court News@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)6m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/336637742496763904)
Email:  I think the very best thing we can do is get a top Psychiatrist in to evaluate him ASAP."


(I'd like to know who's behind this twitter account, lol)

I think i have an idea :moonwalk_:  :icon_lol:

@Drawn2Painting: @frontback777 interesting... Email from Ortega to Phillips on 6/20/09
"Trouble at the Front" ... :p


@frontback777: @Drawn2Painting Worry not! "Trouble at the Front" is Backlogged. ;-)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on May 20, 2013, 09:46:55 PM
Quote
Email:  I think the very best thing we can do is get a top Psychiatrist in to evaluate him ASAP."
Psychiatrists really helped Jordie, Gavin, and Wade!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on May 21, 2013, 10:29:27 AM
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Also, this is an interesting 'coincidence'.  And email from Ortega, where in the first sentence he says "Front" and then an 'n' is dropped in the word 'and'.

ABC7 Court News@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)8m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/336636871276892160)
Email from Ortega to Phillips on 6/20/09 Trouble at the Front
"I honestly don't think he's ready for this based in his continued physical"

ABC7 Court News@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)8m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/336637047374770176)
Email: ...weakening and deepening emotional state. It is reminiscent if what Karen, Bush, Travis and I remembered just before he fainted

ABC7 Court News@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)6m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/336637676272898048)
Email: causing the HBO Concerts to be canceled. There are strong signs of paranoia, anxiety a d obsessive-like behavior.

ABC7 Court News@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)6m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/336637742496763904)
Email:  I think the very best thing we can do is get a top Psychiatrist in to evaluate him ASAP."


(I'd like to know who's behind this twitter account, lol)

I think i have an idea :moonwalk_:  :icon_lol:

@Drawn2Painting: @frontback777 interesting... Email from Ortega to Phillips on 6/20/09
"Trouble at the Front" ... :p


@frontback777: @Drawn2Painting Worry not! "Trouble at the Front" is Backlogged. ;-)

To be honest the first time I saw ABC7 Courts News twitter account I found it very fishy specially when I saw that so conveniently placed number 7 it was like a Michael' shoutout telling us: "worry not although not televised trial I'll keep you all updated"  :icon_lol: I always though Michael is behind it although of course I can't reassure it.
BTW Front keeps on hinting he is Back ➡ @frontback777: @Drawn2Painting Worry not! "Trouble at the Front" is Backlogged. ;-). Time of revelations IMO  :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on May 21, 2013, 03:22:21 PM
AEG Bosses Put On The Stand In Michael Jackson Trial
21 May 2013

http://www.contactmusic.com/news/michael-jackson-aeg-trial-conrad-murray-court-case_3678057
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on May 21, 2013, 04:46:41 PM
"Michael Jackson's family offered to settle lawsuit, lawyer says":

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-michael-jackson-trial-20130521,0,6307620.story
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on May 21, 2013, 05:39:52 PM
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h
Trell said he never saw the emails from Phillips directing people to exclude images from TII of MJ looking "skeletal" while rehearsing.

                        :ghsdf:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on May 22, 2013, 02:42:25 AM
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Also, this is an interesting 'coincidence'.  And email from Ortega, where in the first sentence he says "Front" and then an 'n' is dropped in the word 'and'.

ABC7 Court News@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)8m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/336636871276892160)
Email from Ortega to Phillips on 6/20/09 Trouble at the Front
"I honestly don't think he's ready for this based in his continued physical"

ABC7 Court News@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)8m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/336637047374770176)
Email: ...weakening and deepening emotional state. It is reminiscent if what Karen, Bush, Travis and I remembered just before he fainted

ABC7 Court News@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)6m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/336637676272898048)
Email: causing the HBO Concerts to be canceled. There are strong signs of paranoia, anxiety a d obsessive-like behavior.

ABC7 Court News@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)6m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/336637742496763904)
Email:  I think the very best thing we can do is get a top Psychiatrist in to evaluate him ASAP."


(I'd like to know who's behind this twitter account, lol)

I think i have an idea :moonwalk_:  :icon_lol:

@Drawn2Painting: @frontback777 interesting... Email from Ortega to Phillips on 6/20/09
"Trouble at the Front" ... :p


@frontback777: @Drawn2Painting Worry not! "Trouble at the Front" is Backlogged. ;-)

To be honest the first time I saw ABC7 Courts News twitter account I found it very fishy specially when I saw that so conveniently placed number 7 it was like a Michael' shoutout telling us: "worry not although not televised trial I'll keep you all updated"  :icon_lol: I always though Michael is behind it although of course I can't reassure it.
BTW Front keeps on hinting he is Back ➡ @frontback777: @Drawn2Painting Worry not! "Trouble at the Front" is Backlogged. ;-). Time of revelations IMO  :icon_e_wink:
This is great!  I hadn't even thought of the 'back' included, when I tweeted in there. I'm so slow... :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: 2good2btrue on May 22, 2013, 05:15:28 AM
 AEG Did Not Conduct Background Check On Jackson’s Doctor Lawyer

LOS ANGELES (AP) — AEG Live LLC did not conduct any background checks or supervise the doctor who was later convicted of killing Michael Jackson, a corporate attorney testified Tuesday in a lawsuit claiming the concert promoter was negligent in hiring the physician.

AEG Live General Counsel Shawn Trell told jurors that no legal or financial checks were done involving Conrad Murray or anyone else who worked as an independent contractor on the “This Is It” shows.

Jackson’s mother Katherine is suing AEG claiming it failed to properly investigate Murray, who was deeply in debt when he agreed to serve as Jackson’s tour physician in 2009 for $150,000 a month.

Trell said he thought a background check would be appropriate for people working in financial roles, but not tour personnel who weren’t employees of AEG.

Murray’s employment status is a central issue in the case. Katherine Jackson’s lawyers contend he was hired by AEG, but the company denies it hired him and notes the singer died before signing the doctor’s contract.

Trell also acknowledged while testifying that numerous people in the company knew of concerns that Jackson’s health was declining.

Five days before Jackson died, AEG Live CEO Randy Phillips alerted the promoter’s parent company that Jackson had missed a rehearsal and didn’t appear to be ready for his comeback concerts.

“We have a real problem here,” Phillips wrote in the message to the CEO of Anschutz Entertainment Group.

Trell agreed with a statement by plaintiff’s attorney Brian Panish that company executives knew by then there was a “deep issue” with Jackson.

Trell also said he continued discussions with an insurance broker about additional coverage to recoup AEG Live’s investment if the tour had to be canceled.

Hours after Phillips sent the warning email, attorney John Branca, who later became co-executor of Jackson’s estate, offered to enlist a spiritual and substance abuse specialist to help Jackson, according to an email shown in court.On that same day, Phillips and others met with Jackson and Murray at the singer’s home.

Hours later, Phillips sent an email to tour director Kenny Ortega telling him not to worry. Ortega had expressed grave concerns about Jackson.

“This doctor is extremely successful — we check everyone out — and he does not need this gig so he (is) totally unbiased and ethical,” Phillips wrote.Panish called Phillips’ statement “a flat out lie” and asked Trell whether he agreed with it or if it signified how AEG did business. Trell said he didn’t know what Phillips thought he knew when he wrote the message.

“I know this statement is not accurate, but you’d have to speak with Mr. Phillips about what he thought or meant in saying it,” Trell said.

Phillips is listed as a potential witness in the case, and Trell said he expects him to testify later in the trial.

Outside court, AEG’s attorney Marvin S. Putnam declined comment on the email or Panish’s characterization of it.

Trell also said on Tuesday that no one at AEG supervised or monitored Murray, who was convicted in 2011 of administering a fatal dose of the anesthetic propofol to Jackson.

Trell is considered the most knowledgeable person on numerous issues involving the shows, including contracts and Jackson’s health. He has not yet been questioned by AEG’s trial lawyers.

Earlier in the day, Trell revised previous testimony in which he told jurors that tour director Ortega worked on “This Is It” without a contract.

The lawyer said Monday that Ortega worked under an agreement forged through a series of emails but didn’t have a signed contract.

On Tuesday, he told jurors he was mistaken, and Ortega did have a contract. The agreement was signed in April and included three pages of legal text and several pages of emails laying out the terms.

Trell said he had been reminded of Ortega’s agreement by AEG’s trial attorneys.


http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/05/21/lawyer-aeg-did-not-conduct-background-check-on-jacksons-doctor/
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on May 22, 2013, 05:44:46 AM
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Also, this is an interesting 'coincidence'.  And email from Ortega, where in the first sentence he says "Front" and then an 'n' is dropped in the word 'and'.

ABC7 Court News@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)8m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/336636871276892160)
Email from Ortega to Phillips on 6/20/09 Trouble at the Front
"I honestly don't think he's ready for this based in his continued physical"

ABC7 Court News@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)8m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/336637047374770176)
Email: ...weakening and deepening emotional state. It is reminiscent if what Karen, Bush, Travis and I remembered just before he fainted

ABC7 Court News@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)6m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/336637676272898048)
Email: causing the HBO Concerts to be canceled. There are strong signs of paranoia, anxiety a d obsessive-like behavior.

ABC7 Court News@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)6m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/336637742496763904)
Email:  I think the very best thing we can do is get a top Psychiatrist in to evaluate him ASAP."


(I'd like to know who's behind this twitter account, lol)

I think i have an idea :moonwalk_:  :icon_lol:

@Drawn2Painting: @frontback777 interesting... Email from Ortega to Phillips on 6/20/09
"Trouble at the Front" ... :p


@frontback777: @Drawn2Painting Worry not! "Trouble at the Front" is Backlogged. ;-)

To be honest the first time I saw ABC7 Courts News twitter account I found it very fishy specially when I saw that so conveniently placed number 7 it was like a Michael' shoutout telling us: "worry not although not televised trial I'll keep you all updated"  :icon_lol: I always though Michael is behind it although of course I can't reassure it.
BTW Front keeps on hinting he is Back ➡ @frontback777: @Drawn2Painting Worry not! "Trouble at the Front" is Backlogged. ;-). Time of revelations IMO  :icon_e_wink:
This is great!  I hadn't even thought of the 'back' included, when I tweeted in there. I'm so slow... :icon_lol:

Well if that account really belongs to our Front the fact that he names it frontback777 says it all, IMO  :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on May 22, 2013, 01:20:30 PM
So the lawyers can now provide the jury with snacks!  Had to chuckle at this:

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/22/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on May 22, 2013, 06:19:07 PM
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So the lawyers can now provide the jury with snacks!  Had to chuckle at this:

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/22/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/

 :D It's funny !!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on May 22, 2013, 07:55:34 PM

Some tweets from today:

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)32m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/337358807116169217)
Before we detail everything that happened in court today, we'll describe the events that happened late afternoon when Trell testified

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)31m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/337359308696215552)
Jackson's attorney showed emails between attorneys high-up within AEG and AEG Live referring to Michael Jackson as "freak" and "creepy".

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)31m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/337359421200007168)
This ema exchange happened hours before Shawn Trell went to MJ's house to sign the contract on January 28, 2009,

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)27m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/337360260488646656)
"Does this mean you get to meet the freak?" Ted Fikre, AEG's general counsel wrote to Shawn Trell.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)28m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/337360332764884993)
Shawn Trell answered: "Apparently. Not sure how I feel about that. Interesting for sure, but kind of creepy."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)25m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/337360869707104256)
Jackson's attorney Brian Panish had this reaction outside court: "This exemplifies AEG had no respect for Mr. Jackson.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)25m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/337361070400360448)
Panish cont'd: "All he was to them was a vehicle to make money."

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)24m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/337361221894414336)
Panish cont'd: We're going to continue to prove that for members of the board and attorneys to refer to him as that is disgraceful"

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)24m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/337361328161292289)
Panish cont'd: we're going continue to show and prove what AEG is all about. This was just the tip of the iceberg."



Pretty crazy stuff.  Unbelievably disrespectful if this is a completely legit email.  Even if this is part of a hoax script, it shows how some people spoke of and treated Michael in the music industry and the media.  And if this was a real email, I wonder if Trell felt badly about it after meeting Michael because he had testified that when he met him - "He popped up, came over, introduced himself, was very cordial, there was a real positive energy, good vibe in the room."  ( https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/337002647225790464 (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/337002647225790464) ) 

The "freak" comment made me think of Ghosts, when the mayor ("society") becomes the demon (that's inside him) and is talking into the mirror. "Who's scary now? Who's the freak now freaky boy? Who's weird now?"
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: mindseye on May 22, 2013, 08:39:14 PM
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The "freak" comment made me think of Ghosts, when the mayor ("society") becomes the demon (that's inside him) and is talking into the mirror. "Who's scary now? Who's the freak now freaky boy? Who's weird now?"

Exactly, I thought the same after reading the updates.

Trell returns to the stand in the morning to undergo more questioning from Panish. "I’ll see you in the morning," he brusquely told Trell.
@mccartneyAP 17m

Some of the jurors laughed. Judge sustained the objection that Panish's question was argumentative.
@mccartneyAP 17m

Panish: "Did your mom ever tell you that if you don’t have nothing nice to say, don’t say anything at all?" AEG objected to the question.
 ‏@mccartneyAP 18m

Panish to Trell: "This is the kind of respect that your lawyer shows to this artist, referring to him as a freak?"
@mccartneyAP 17m
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on May 22, 2013, 10:34:20 PM
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The "freak" comment made me think of Ghosts, when the mayor ("society") becomes the demon (that's inside him) and is talking into the mirror. "Who's scary now? Who's the freak now freaky boy? Who's weird now?"
Yes :icon_e_geek:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on May 23, 2013, 04:22:52 AM
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Panish: "Did your mom ever tell you that if you don’t have nothing nice to say, don’t say anything at all?" AEG objected to the question.
 ‏@mccartneyAP 18m

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJUP1UU6gok[/youtube]

It also reminded me of the many around MJ and in the industry that used/use the N word still. MJ said Mattola used it, and it was said that Tom Sneddon used it in his talks with his people. http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1455976/michael-jackson-calls-tommy-mottola-racist.jhtml
It's interesting though that Al Sharpton came to Mattola's defense, and overall many only focused on Jackson being considered 'bizarre'. Almost like no one wanted to admit there really were problems behind the scenes that MJ might be addressing.

Also in the CM docu, at the Flannagan's house, his wife and he made remarks about MJ being weird.

Twitter Front retweeted Paris' comment:
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Paris Jacksoη ‏@ParisJackson 19 May
i hate when people tell me to change… it's hurtful to know that someone you care about can't accept you the way you are .

In TII MJ said he wanted to put love back into the world and tell the world that love is important.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: wishingstar on May 23, 2013, 08:49:55 AM
I think it's interesting too, that we have PANish talking about mothers.......
I had mentioned on Twitter something about in Murray's trial we had a pastor, and in the AEG trial we have PANish.....
Sim made a great mention of how much word play we really have had all through this....all so Michaelish : )

Anyways...just interesting thoughts.....love Thumper : ) He's such a cute little bunny!

Blessings!
 
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on May 23, 2013, 09:25:56 AM
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So the lawyers can now provide the jury with snacks!  Had to chuckle at this:

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/22/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/

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AEG lawyers gave a bag of peppermint candy to the bailiff to hand out to the jury this week. Even Katherine Jackson -- the pop icon's mother -- enjoyed the treat.

Front ‏@frontback777 8 May
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So Front referred to the peppermint candies when he tweeted "green".

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BK5e_zECUAAuHoB.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on May 23, 2013, 09:46:21 AM
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So Front referred to the peppermint candies when he tweeted "green".
Huh??
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Adi on May 23, 2013, 10:09:53 AM
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So Front referred to the peppermint candies when he tweeted "green".
Huh??

yeah +1 here
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bonnie2013 on May 23, 2013, 02:34:22 PM
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So Front referred to the peppermint candies when he tweeted "green".
Huh??

yeah +1 here

That's a stretch.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on May 23, 2013, 03:02:21 PM
Here are some more recent tweets:

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 13m
Panish: Are you familiar with HIPPA?
Trell: I'm generally familiar with it, but don't know what the acronym means.
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 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 13m
If they are talking about generalities, Trell said he doesn't think there's need for an authorization that Panish was talking about.
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 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 14m
Panish: About their physical conditions?
Trell: I don't know that. I think it would depend on the nature and substance of the conversation.
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 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15m
Panish asked if Trell thought it was ok for Phillips to speak with Dr. Murray alone. He said it depends on the substance of the conversation
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 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 15m
Panish asked if MJ ever signed a release of authorization for Randy Phillips to speak with Dr. Murray. Trell said he was not aware of one.
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 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 16m
"I'm aware he had spoken with him, but didn't know the length of the calls," Trell said.
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 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 18m
Panish asked if Trell knew Randy Phillips talked to Dr. Murray for 20 minutes on the phone.
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Kind of shows that Randy Phillips and Murray may have been conspiring behind Michael's back and violating HIPPA laws, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: iLoveyoumore on May 23, 2013, 03:41:16 PM
UGHH I hate this trial.  :Pulling_hair: Katherine seems to be very emotional.

(http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n488/Mizugetsu94/01tw_zps394df29e.png) (http://s1136.photobucket.com/user/Mizugetsu94/media/01tw_zps394df29e.png.html)

 ??? If everything is ok and Michael is in full control why is she so sad.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on May 23, 2013, 04:00:57 PM
Faithad777
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Kind of shows that Randy Phillips and Murray may have been conspiring behind Michael's back and violating HIPPA laws, doesn't it?
Perhaps this refers to this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGVc0ZZyXiQ[/youtube]

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Murray in docu: “That’s when I got the shock. Randy Phillips asked that I just step out the livingroom. The meeting had ended. Hfmm…This is him grinding his teeth. Hfmm. He does not have a f—cking cent, a f—cking cent. What’s this bullshit all about? Listen. This guy.is next to skid-row. Homeless. F—cking popsicles that his children are sucking on. Look..those kids. What’s that all about? Nine security guards. Why does he need that. I’m paying for that shit. I’m paying for the toilet-paper he wipes his ass with. He doesn’t have a f—cking cent. And if he don’t get this show done, he’s over. This is it. This is the last chance he has to earn any kind of money. He’s ruined. Financially he has nothing. Zero.”  Under oath Randy denied any such conversation.
But it's perhaps what was decided as a RESULT of this supposed conversation that is most important. Did RP tell CM to do WHATEVER it takes to get MJ to rehearsals even if it meant violating ethics rules?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on May 23, 2013, 04:58:39 PM
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UGHH I hate this trial.  :Pulling_hair: Katherine seems to be very emotional.

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 ??? If everything is ok and Michael is in full control why is she so sad.

For me all is in Michael's full control : however, for a mother,I think is not a nice thing listen  all those bad things, all those lies about her son , especially knowing he is totally innocent..... :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on May 23, 2013, 05:28:40 PM
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UGHH I hate this trial.  :Pulling_hair: Katherine seems to be very emotional.

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 ??? If everything is ok and Michael is in full control why is she so sad.

not sure i understand why this question would get  an emotional response when she ( i think it was mentioned ) didn't react when it was told that one of them called him a freak.  :icon_e_confused:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on May 23, 2013, 05:34:09 PM
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 23m
Katherine Jackson didn't return in the afternoon. Only Rebbie was present. We were told Mrs. Jackson is too upset.

                    :bearhug: love you Katherine, you are a great women !!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: iLoveyoumore on May 23, 2013, 05:58:53 PM
Seeing Katherine sad makes me feel bad  :'(  I hope she's ok.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on May 23, 2013, 06:24:57 PM


An impression of this trial that I have so far, is that if AEG loses, it'll be because of Randy Phillips.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on May 24, 2013, 10:23:55 AM
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=19285&start=310
scroll down to poster WenamunRamses

this is a recap of the testimony . there is something that kind of caught my eye in the way a statement was made about the meeting.
murray attended and mj was present.  now this is wear my thinking gets a bit far out. how many times during the course of this has there been discussion about two michael's and added to that referances to mediums ( karen and lisa went to see one)  laytoya and her visit to one.  they medium is there and the person speaks through them correct? 

perhaps i need to remember where i put that jacket.  :thjajaja121:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on May 24, 2013, 06:01:50 PM
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UGHH I hate this trial.  :Pulling_hair: Katherine seems to be very emotional.

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 ??? If everything is ok and Michael is in full control why is she so sad.

For me all is in Michael's full control : however, for a mother,I think is not a nice thing listen  all those bad things, all those lies about her son , especially knowing he is totally innocent..... :icon_rolleyes:

I so agree.. I can imagine Katherine getting emotional and upset about the way AEG has treated Michael, the pressure, using disrespectful names, telling lies and although Katherine might have been prepared on AEG's ugliness it still could be hurtful for her. AEG is constantly talking about her son as a money source and not as a person. I'd think that there are moments that she had too much of it. I admire her strength.  :bearhug: @ Katherine.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: onthewingsoflove on May 25, 2013, 01:22:59 PM
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UGHH I hate this trial.  :Pulling_hair: Katherine seems to be very emotional.

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 ??? If everything is ok and Michael is in full control why is she so sad.

For me all is in Michael's full control : however, for a mother,I think is not a nice thing listen  all those bad things, all those lies about her son , especially knowing he is totally innocent..... :icon_rolleyes:

I so agree.. I can imagine Katherine getting emotional and upset about the way AEG has treated Michael, the pressure, using disrespectful names, telling lies and although Katherine might have been prepared on AEG's ugliness it still could be hurtful for her. AEG is constantly talking about her son as a money source and not as a person. I'd think that there are moments that she had too much of it. I admire her strength.  :bearhug: @ Katherine.

I totally agree with you Everlasting!!!! Just like anyone else, a mother only take so much!!

Stay blessed!
OnTheWingsOfLove
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on May 27, 2013, 08:25:43 PM
Trell said that he had no authorization in writing by MJ for 50 shows.
Panish asked: "But you wanted to have fully signed contracts, truth,?"
Panish: But do sold tickets for 50 shows?
Trell: The agreement contemplated more than 31, based on the authorization of the artist.
Panish: how many shows did in the tour?
Trell: The agreement of the tour, 31

Panish: do has written something from Mr. Jackson over the 7.5 million dollars of expenses excess?
Trell: No
Panish showed Trell contract with MJ and the clauses indicated that any change had to be in writing.
Pahish: do you have written something that authorizes them to expand the tour shows at 50?
Trell: Yes, we have VERBAL approval.




as it gets shown a verbal approval of someone that is dead :icon_question:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: ShyBleuEyes on May 28, 2013, 01:39:30 AM
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Trell said that he had no authorization in writing by MJ for 50 shows.
Panish asked: "But you wanted to have fully signed contracts, truth,?"
Panish: But do sold tickets for 50 shows?
Trell: The agreement contemplated more than 31, based on the authorization of the artist.
Panish: how many shows did in the tour?
Trell: The agreement of the tour, 31

Panish: do has written something from Mr. Jackson over the 7.5 million dollars of expenses excess?
Trell: No
Panish showed Trell contract with MJ and the clauses indicated that any change had to be in writing.
Pahish: do you have written something that authorizes them to expand the tour shows at 50?
Trell: Yes, we have VERBAL approval.




as it gets shown a verbal approval of someone that is dead :icon_question:


I read this as : MJ wasen't "dead"" at that time, tho there is no mention who gave the verbal aproval, who gave the aproval?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: iLoveyoumore on May 28, 2013, 04:47:07 AM
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Trell said that he had no authorization in writing by MJ for 50 shows.
Panish asked: "But you wanted to have fully signed contracts, truth,?"
Panish: But do sold tickets for 50 shows?
Trell: The agreement contemplated more than 31, based on the authorization of the artist.
Panish: how many shows did in the tour?
Trell: The agreement of the tour, 31

Panish: do has written something from Mr. Jackson over the 7.5 million dollars of expenses excess?
Trell: No
Panish showed Trell contract with MJ and the clauses indicated that any change had to be in writing.
Pahish: do you have written something that authorizes them to expand the tour shows at 50?
Trell: Yes, we have VERBAL approval.




as it gets shown a verbal approval of someone that is dead :icon_question:


I read this as : MJ wasen't "dead"" at that time, tho there is no mention who gave the verbal aproval, who gave the aproval?

My understanding was that Trell meant they got the verbal approval before June 25th -09, the time MJ was alive (in the whole worlds eyes). I wonder too who gave the verbal approval? sounds like he meant that MJ gave it.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: ShyBleuEyes on May 28, 2013, 06:50:26 AM
Yes Loveyoumore, the feeling is, that it was MJ who did the aproval,but it's not certain, i sure hope Panish has asked that, he has to make that clear as an good attorney imo till then it's an assumption, i have to think of MJ's words "i go to sleep there where 10 shows, overnight they became 50 shows" not exact quote.

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on May 28, 2013, 10:01:09 AM
Having verbal approval (from whoever) is NOT the same as having it in writing.  Look at how AEG is denying Murray. 
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Thriller4ever on May 28, 2013, 12:26:30 PM
a verbal agreement is not a proof, right? I mean how is anyone supposed to trust a 'verbal agreement'.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: ShyBleuEyes on May 28, 2013, 03:31:04 PM
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a verbal agreement is not a proof, right? I mean how is anyone supposed to trust a 'verbal agreement'.

Your right
It's not a strong point for AEG anyway, AEG is huge company. I bet they have everything on paper even the smallest details, as a business you don't have proof when it's verbal agreement.  in my country its binding even when it's a verbal agreement, but it's hard to proof.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on May 28, 2013, 05:10:29 PM
AEG trial has been resumed again today, as always there are may interesting tweets to check on the ABC7 Court News :  https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts

This one caught my eye:

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h
Panish: Did you throw around numbers to trick Michael Jackson?
Gongaware: I didn't try to trick Michael
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on May 28, 2013, 05:15:18 PM
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h
Defendants attorney told the judge they would like to limit the number of family member in the courtroom, since they are potential witnesses


                ::)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bonnie2013 on May 28, 2013, 06:47:47 PM
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Defendants attorney told the judge they would like to limit the number of family member in the courtroom, since they are potential witnesses


                ::)

Odd... I thought they had already done that. Katharine & one family member are allowed to be there each day. Seems like AEG does not want anyone from Michael's family there.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Love4Michael on May 28, 2013, 06:49:14 PM
Seems this is a rather odd email from a company executive that claims they weren't "controlling" things...lol.  (Read from bottom up)

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If early tweets from today are accurate...Gongaware's 2 favorite phrases are "I don't know" & "I can't recall"...best answers when someone is being evasive SMH
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bonnie2013 on May 28, 2013, 07:15:27 PM
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Seems this is a rather odd email from a company executive that claims they weren't "controlling" things...lol.  (Read from bottom up)

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If early tweets from today are accurate...Gongaware's 2 favorite phrases are "I don't know" & "I can't recall"...best answers when someone is being evasive SMH


And just how were they planning to do a MJ concert series without Michael Jackson? They definitely seem to be all talk and attempt to bully people into contracts.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on May 28, 2013, 08:09:43 PM
And a few more tweets that again prove that AEG wasn't trying to control Michael.........

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 40m

Gongaware told nanny Grace Rwamba that her serviced would not be needed anymore because AEG was cutting down on MJ's expenses.
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Panish: You were involved in terminating one of the nannies who took care of MJ's kids? Gongaware: Yes

Wow, such respectful treatment of the star (Michael)........... and his children............
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Love4Michael on May 28, 2013, 08:44:28 PM
A few additional segments for those who don't follow on Twitter...(including the part about Grace) Read each segment bottom to top.

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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on May 28, 2013, 10:38:09 PM
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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h
Defendants attorney told the judge they would like to limit the number of family member in the courtroom, since they are potential witnesses


                ::)

Odd... I thought they had already done that. Katharine & one family member are allowed to be there each day. Seems like AEG does not want anyone from Michael's family there.

Same thing happened during MJ's 2005 trial. Jackson's were only given 2 seats each day of court because so many press and onlookers packed the courtroom, there wasn't enough room for all MJ's siblings that wanted to attend. Nice.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on May 28, 2013, 11:34:23 PM
Something smells fishy. Another link between Elvis's and MJ's deaths-- Gongaware?  Full circle?

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Gongaware replied to a condolences' email on July 5, 2009: "I was working on the Elvis tour when he died, so I kind of knew what to expect."
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Gongaware said he worked on Elvis Presley tour. Panish asked if Elvis died of drug overdose, and Gongaware said yes.
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Gongaware has toured with Beach Boys, Led Zeppelin and is currently on your with The Rolling Stones. He worked for Jerry Weintraub in 80s
And then,
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When Gongaware met Jackson was with Colonel Parker (Elvis' manager) in Las Vegas. MJ wanted to meet the Colonel.
Didn't Elvis say this Colonel guy was evil and controlling?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on May 29, 2013, 12:32:33 AM
Promoter: 'I kind of knew what was going to happen' to Michael Jackson

Los Angeles (CNN) -- AEG Live co-CEO Paul Gongaware, whose career as a concert promoter started with Elvis Presley's last tour, testified Tuesday about Michael Jackson's final days.

"I was working on the Elvis tour when he died so I kind of knew what to expect," Gongaware wrote in an e-mail to a friend two weeks after Jackson died. "Still quite a shock."

Gongaware, who was one of the top producers of Jackson's comeback concerts, is expected to be on the witness stand for several days in the fifth week of the Michael Jackson wrongful death trial.

Janet Jackson, the late singer's youngest sister, made her first appearance in the Los Angeles courtroom, sitting next to her mother, Katherine Jackson. Sister Rebbie and brother Randy Jackson are in the courthouse but are not allowed to view the testimony because the judge has limited the family to one sibling at a time in court.

Jackson's mother and children are suing AEG Live for liability in the pop icon's death, accusing the concert promoter of negligently hiring, retaining or supervising Dr. Conrad Murray, the physician convicted of involuntary manslaughter.

AEG lawyers contend that Michael Jackson chose, hired and supervised Murray and that his bad decisions were fueled by a drug addiction their executives had no way of knowing about.

AEG exec called Jackson "freak" before signing concert contract

The Elvis connection

Elvis' name came up as Jackson lawyer Brian Panish questioned Gongaware about his knowledge of drug use during concert tours. He should have been able to recognize red flags signaling Jackson's drug use because of his experience with Presley and his time as Jackson's tour manager in the 1990s, the Jacksons contend.

"I kind of knew what was going to happen, yes," Gongaware testified. Panish then showed jurors the e-mail in which he made a similar statement.
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When Gongaware was managing Jackson's 1993 tour, he warned the tour doctor "Don't be a Dr. Nick" -- a reference to Presley's last physician -- the doctor testified in a deposition.

"Dr. Nick was the doctor whose overprescription of drugs to Elvis had led to Elvis' death," according to a court filing by lawyers for the Jackson family.

Presley collapsed in the bathroom of his Memphis, Tennessee, mansion -- Graceland -- on August 16, 1977, at age 42. While his death was ruled the result of an irregular heartbeat, the autopsy report was sealed amid accusations that the abuse of prescription drugs caused the problem.

"Dr. Nick" -- Dr. George Nichopoulos -- said later he was treating Presley for insomnia. He was charged with overprescribing drugs to Presley, but he was acquitted. He later lost his medical license in another case.

Jackson died on June 25, 2009, at age 50. The coroner ruled his death was caused by a fatal combination of sedatives and the surgical anesthetic propofol. Murray told investigators he gave Jackson nightly infusions of propofol to treat his insomnia. He was convicted of involuntary manslaughter, sentenced to four years in prison and stripped of his medical license.

Sweet controversy at Jackson death trial

Gongaware was with Presley manager Col. Tom Parker when he first met Jackson in Las Vegas, he testified.

The Jackson lawyers are using Gongaware's Elvis and "Dr. Nick" reference to argue that "AEG knew Jackson had suffered chronic substance abuse and drug dependency problems for many years."

"Shortly after he joined the 'Dangerous' tour in 1993, Dr. Finkelstein was asked to treat Jackson for pain," the Jackson filing said, referring to Dr. Stuart Finkelstein, a doctor on the 1993 tour.

"Having observed signs of opiate addiction in Jackson, Dr. Finkelstein nonetheless administered Demerol by injection, and administered morphine intravenously in Jackson's Bangkok hotel room for 24 hours."

After that, Finkelstein told Gongaware "he thought Jackson had an opiate dependency problem," the filing said.

"For three and a half months, the 'Dangerous' tour continued," it said. "Another doctor attended Jackson regularly, on one occasion breaking into Dr. Finkelstein's bag to get opiates to administer to Jackson. Gongaware was there the whole time, in charge of tour logistics, aware of the various physicians present, and he discussed with Dr. Finkelstein Jackson's opiate problem."

When Gongaware warned Dr. Finkelstein, whom the brief described as his "close friend," not to become Jackson's "Dr. Nick," he was "warning me, you know, don't get all infatuated where you start administering meds to a rock star and have the rock star overdose and die on you," Dr. Finkelstein testified.

Despite working as a tour promoter for 37 years -- including for Led Zeppelin, the Grateful Dead and many others -- Gongaware testified that the only artist he ever knew that was using drug on tour was Rick James.

Gongaware is currently the tour manager for the Rolling Stones North American tour.

Fooling Mikey?

Jurors were shown several e-mails from Gongaware that Jackson lawyers suggested were evidence that AEG Live deliberately misled Jackson about how much money he would make from his comeback concerts and how many days he would have to rest between shows.

Gongaware wrote to his boss, AEG Live President Randy Phillips, that they should present gross ticket sales numbers to Jackson, not the percentage of the net profits, during contract talks. "Maybe gross is a better number to throw around if we use numbers with Mikey listening," his e-mail said.

He sent an e-mail to his assistant in March 2009 suggesting that she design a concert calendar for Jackson using light tan colors for show dates, while drawing attention to his rest days.

"I don't want the shows to stand out so much when MJ looks at it. Less contrast between work and off. Maybe off days in a contrasting soft color. Put 'OFF' in each off day after July 8, as well. Figure it out so it looks like he's not working so much."

Under questioning Tuesday, Gongaware said he "wasn't trying to fool him. I wanted to present it in the best possible light."

The 'smoking gun'

Gongaware is also a key witness because he wrote what Jackson's lawyers call the "smoking gun" e-mail which they argue shows AEG Live executives used Murray's fear of losing his lucrative job as Jackson's personal physician to pressure him to have Jackson ready for rehearsals despite his fragile health.

Gongaware's e-mail to show director Kenny Ortega, sent 11 days before Jackson's death, addressed concerns that Murray had kept Jackson from a rehearsal the day before: "We want to remind (Murray) that it is AEG, not MJ, who is paying his salary. We want to remind him what is expected of him." Gongaware, in a video deposition played in court on the first day of the trial, said he could not remember writing the e-mail.

E-mails become key

"They put Dr. Murray in a position where if he said Michael can't go or can't play, if he said I can't give you those drugs, then he doesn't get paid," Jackson lawyer Brian Panish told jurors in his opening statements.

AEG lawyer Marvin Putnam said in his opening statement that Gongaware and other AEG executives had no way of knowing about Jackson's use of propofol to sleep.

"AEG knew nothing about this decade-long propofol use," Putnam said. "They were a concert promoter. How could they know?"

Gongaware will also face questions about an e-mail in which he seemed to question Jackson's commitment to his "This Is It" tour.

"We cannot be forced into stopping this, which MJ will try to do because he is lazy and constantly changes his mind to fit his immediate wants," he wrote to AEG's Phillips.

Jackson makeup artist Karen Faye testified earlier abut an incident in which Gongaware became frustrated because Jackson locked himself in a bathroom at his home, refusing to leave for rehearsals at the Forum. Gongaware was "angry and kind of desperate to get Michael to the Forum," Faye said.

She overheard Gongaware screaming on the phone at Jackson's security guard, telling him "to get him out of the bathroom. Do you have a key? Do whatever it takes."

Choreographer: AEG considered 'pulling the plug' on Jackson comeback

'Trouble at the Front'

Jackson lawyers are also expected to ask Gongaware about e-mails he received that raised questions about Jackson's health in the last weeks of his life.

"This Is It" production director John "Bugzee" Houghdahl wrote to him on June 19, 2009 -- six days before Jackson died -- "I have watched him deteriorate in front of my eyes over the last 8 weeks. He was able to do multiple 360 spins back in April. He'd fall on his ass if he tried now."

Houghdahl's e-mail, titled "trouble at the Front" was written after Ortega sent Jackson home from a rehearsal because of his strange behavior.

"He was a basket case and Kenny was concerned he would embarrass himself on stage, or worse yet -- get hurt," Houghdahl wrote. "The company is rehearsing right now, but the DOUBT is pervasive."



http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/28/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/index.html

   

   
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: scorpionchik on May 29, 2013, 01:58:02 AM
I actually posted something that would probably be more appropriate to post here.

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,23864.0.html
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on May 29, 2013, 07:09:03 AM
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And just how were they planning to do a MJ concert series without Michael Jackson? They definitely seem to be all talk and attempt to bully people into contracts.

@bonnie, from the date of the email (Feb 27), I take it they were discussing the O2 announcement (going to London with or without MJ), not the actual concerts. Paving the way maybe for revealing later that a double had to be used because MJ is so damn lazy!  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: iLoveyoumore on May 29, 2013, 01:18:07 PM
IDK if we are allowed to talk about twitter Front here but he just predicted what Katherine was wearing at court. I'm Smoothie.
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I thought I'd share  :) I don't know if that means he's the real Front or maybe he just happened to be in LA and saw Katherine before ABC7 news.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on May 29, 2013, 01:56:22 PM
Yes, we have VERBAL 

In present time?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on May 29, 2013, 03:37:18 PM
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"I certainly feel Dr. Murray should be competent to do that (be a nutritionist). He's a doctor!" Gongaware testified.
https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts

Those are assumptions, AEG not checking Murray's competence on nutrition means lack of responsibility.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: iLoveyoumore on May 29, 2013, 04:11:05 PM
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who's David Loughner... never heard of him

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now he is trying to blame Kenny
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on May 29, 2013, 04:14:15 PM
"I was working on the Elvis tour when he died so I kind of knew what to expect," Gongaware wrote in an e-mail to a friend two weeks after Jackson died. "Still quite a shock."

With the Elvis connection being brought up in the trial, I think Michael wants to bring attention to the fact that these people have been doing this for a very long time, going as far back as Elvis, this is how they've been treating artists all along and they are the same people then and now.
"They" have continually been cheating artists, lying to them, twisting the truth and manipulating numbers (sales figures, tickets sold and so on), treating artists only as a means for profit not as human beings, controlling artists lives including their personal and family situations, and please feel free to add anything else that I've missed. This has been going on for decades and these people who feed off of artists and have all their power because of artists, are never caught and continue with their ruthless and deceitful ways while the artists are set up to die of "drug overdoses".

Has this ever been done before? Where a company as powerful and as large as AEG Live is on trial for mistreating an artist?  I hope to God that Michael is making an example of AEG Live with this trial, and may be Sony, because in my heart I feel that he DID outsmart them and no one is capable of changing  the music industry and the world to the better like he is.....

P.S. Remember his recently released manifesto?  I think he is continuing to do what he said he would....
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on May 29, 2013, 05:00:17 PM
Elvis connection, for me,  is a Michael's clue for us 



I founf this....

Dr Murray's defence team demands more tests on the dead singer

Michael Jackson body may have to be exhumed as part of the ongoing involuntary manslaughter charges against Dr Conrad Murray – the doctor who’s been accused of killing the singer last June with an overdose of the sedative Propofol.

The doctor’s defence lawyers want to prove that Michael could have died from sustained drug and may demand his body be dug up for new tests ahead of Murray’s trial next year.

"This is a horrifying situation the family have been dreading,” revealed a friend of the Jackson family. “They laid Michael to rest and for him to return is just sick."

Murray’s lead attorney Ed Chernoff has already been given permission to retest tissue samples taken from Michael when he died last year. The Jackson family friend added: “"If the tests don't concur with the coroner's findings, they have the start of a strong defence. The logical next step would be to exhume the body to make new tests."

Michael is buried in a mausoleum in Los Angeles.


http://www.masala.com/24703-jacko-exhumed

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bonnie2013 on May 29, 2013, 08:13:17 PM
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Elvis connection, for me,  is a Michael's clue for us 




"This is a horrifying situation the family have been dreading,” revealed a friend of the Jackson family. “They laid Michael to rest and for him to return is just sick."



http://www.masala.com/24703-jacko-exhumed

 :-[
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on May 30, 2013, 12:02:16 AM
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Elvis connection, for me,  is a Michael's clue for us 



I agree. What kind of crazy coincidence is it that the evil, money hungry, bad guy AEG executive brings up Elvis and the parallels between his and MJ's death when those parallels have been a huge part of the death hoax evidence since the beginning. I dunno, maybe the two men's deaths are so similar it's obvious to everyone and that's why he brought it up- but this all seems to fit too well (on both sides of the courtroom, again, just like in Murray's trial) to just be coincidental. Too much Elvis chatter from all over as of late to be nothing, especially when in 4 years and a criminal trial of a doctor it was never mentioned out loud in any seriousness in the media (except by death hoaxers).
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: iLoveyoumore on May 30, 2013, 04:34:16 AM
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Elvis connection, for me,  is a Michael's clue for us 

I agree too.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on May 30, 2013, 06:56:14 AM
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/29/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/index.html?hpt=en_c1

Quite a long article, and a couple of vids from Gongaware's deposition in December, but this bit struck me, in light of recent Wade Robson stuff:

After Gongaware began recalling in court Wednesday what he meant in the e-mail, Panish suggested it may be a case of "repressed memories" where "someone doesn't remember something for three or four years."
"You didn't have any psychotherapy to remember what you wrote here?" Panish asked.
"You didn't like get put to sleep? (Judge Yvette Palazuelos injected: "Hypnotized?") to see if you remembered this?
"No," Gongaware answered.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on May 30, 2013, 12:13:33 PM
Don't know if this will turn out to be anything significant but just saw this:

♛TeamMichaelJackson♛    ‏@TeamMichael777   
   (https://twitter.com/TeamMichael777)            4m (https://twitter.com/TeamMichael777/status/340152278197604352)     

 BREAKING NEWS: DELIO's HARD-RIVE HAS BEEN LOCATED BY JAXN ATTORNEY. HUGE DEVELOPMENTS ANNOUNCED BY PANISH
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on May 30, 2013, 02:44:25 PM
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"I was working on the Elvis tour when he died so I kind of knew what to expect," Gongaware wrote in an e-mail to a friend two weeks after Jackson died. "Still quite a shock."

With the Elvis connection being brought up in the trial, I think Michael wants to bring attention to the fact that these people have been doing this for a very long time, going as far back as Elvis, this is how they've been treating artists all along and they are the same people then and now.
"They" have continually been cheating artists, lying to them, twisting the truth and manipulating numbers (sales figures, tickets sold and so on), treating artists only as a means for profit not as human beings, controlling artists lives including their personal and family situations, and please feel free to add anything else that I've missed. This has been going on for decades and these people who feed off of artists and have all their power because of artists, are never caught and continue with their ruthless and deceitful ways while the artists are set up to die of "drug overdoses".

Has this ever been done before? Where a company as powerful and as large as AEG Live is on trial for mistreating an artist?  I hope to God that Michael is making an example of AEG Live with this trial, and may be Sony, because in my heart I feel that he DID outsmart them and no one is capable of changing  the music industry and the world to the better like he is.....

P.S. Remember his recently released manifesto?  I think he is continuing to do what he said he would....

Faith, love your post!
I agree and I believe that this hoax has a purpose to bring wordwide attention to and expose wrongs/wrongdoings in various fields like entertainment industry, court & justice, doctors, media etc. I also think that the Elvis connection being brought up in trial certainly made people wonder and aware of wrongdoings and power in the entertainment industry. It's like Michael is speaking and standing up for all artists who have been a 'victim' of these powerful multinationals where BIG money is the target and the artist is just a number. While I'm writing this the song 'They Don't Really Care About Us" comes to mind. 

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P.S. Remember his recently released manifesto?  I think he is continuing to do what he said he would....
I sure do remember and he's very busy in continuing to do so :icon_cool:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: iLoveyoumore on May 30, 2013, 04:15:05 PM
Sorry offtopic..... but it makes me so sad to see nonbelievers tweet about this trial, they are so sad and they are breaking down because of these emails and they seem to be filled with so much hatred, they believe this is a murder. There's so much negativity inside them. I want to help them somehow but I have no idea what to do, they make me so sad. Sorry for this. I wonder if there's any way we can help them.. :(
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Jos on May 30, 2013, 04:18:10 PM
Try to bring them to this forum :) And let them read for a couple of days  ;D
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on May 30, 2013, 05:19:13 PM
I 'm so sorry for anyone who loses this way....  :icon_rolleyes: but I think that this is something Michael want to see....at the beginning we were a large number of peoples...now we are many , but a little less.....it's a great adventure .... and Michael is watching everything... :icon_e_ugeek:... :moonwalk_: however great suggestion Jos !!!  :D
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on May 30, 2013, 05:45:40 PM
A new peice of evidence in the AEG Michael Jackson Trial: An email that states Dr. Conrad Murray had to get Michael Jackson in shape for his next tour. Former Jackson Attorney Debra Opri Discusses how this new evidence might turn the trial upside down. Co CEO of AEG Pressured Murray into getting Michael ready for tour despite his ailing health. Paul Gongaware contradicts himself by saying he does not remember writing the emails  ???  ::)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkpNBm-T7es[/youtube]

  Memory problems or what else?  ??  :icon_e_biggrin: 
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: iLoveyoumore on May 30, 2013, 06:03:46 PM
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Try to bring them to this forum :) And let them read for a couple of days  ;D

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I 'm so sorry for anyone who loses this way....  :icon_rolleyes: but I think that this is something Michael want to see....at the beginning we were a large number of peoples...now we are many , but a little less.....it's a great adventure .... and Michael is watching everything... :icon_e_ugeek:... :moonwalk_: however great suggestion Jos !!!  :D 

Thanks Jos and Blankie!!  :)  :bearhug: Love you! I actually have tried to invite some nonbelievers to this forum or watch hoax videos but they are kind of stubborn, haha. Usually they get mad.  :icon_bounce:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: onthewingsoflove on May 30, 2013, 07:05:52 PM
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A new peice of evidence in the AEG Michael Jackson Trial: An email that states Dr. Conrad Murray had to get Michael Jackson in shape for his next tour. Former Jackson Attorney Debra Opri Discusses how this new evidence might turn the trial upside down. Co CEO of AEG Pressured Murray into getting Michael ready for tour despite his ailing health. Paul Gongaware contradicts himself by saying he does not remember writing the emails  ???  ::)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkpNBm-T7es[/youtube]

  Memory problems or what else?  ??  :icon_e_biggrin: 

Thanks so much Applehead for this post!

To hear her say, "That's one of the smoking guns. Just sit, stay tune!" That simply made my day, because that's the position I assumed a long time ago!!! :icon_razz:

Stay blessed!
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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: iLoveyoumore on May 30, 2013, 07:58:31 PM
So Paul Gongaware mentioned this site http://kazooti.com/ and there's ELVIS too. He's everywhere!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on May 30, 2013, 08:39:15 PM
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Elvis connection, for me,  is a Michael's clue for us 



I founf this....

Dr Murray's defence team demands more tests on the dead singer

Michael Jackson body may have to be exhumed as part of the ongoing involuntary manslaughter charges against Dr Conrad Murray – the doctor who’s been accused of killing the singer last June with an overdose of the sedative Propofol.

The doctor’s defence lawyers want to prove that Michael could have died from sustained drug and may demand his body be dug up for new tests ahead of Murray’s trial next year.

"This is a horrifying situation the family have been dreading,” revealed a friend of the Jackson family. “They laid Michael to rest and for him to return is just sick."

Murray’s lead attorney Ed Chernoff has already been given permission to retest tissue samples taken from Michael when he died last year. The Jackson family friend added: “"If the tests don't concur with the coroner's findings, they have the start of a strong defence. The logical next step would be to exhume the body to make new tests."

Michael is buried in a mausoleum in Los Angeles.


http://www.masala.com/24703-jacko-exhumed






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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 44min
The first time Gongaware met MJ was in Las Vegas when he was visiting Colonel Parker


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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 40min
Steve Wynn's brother called and said MJ wanted to meet Colonel. Gongaware stayed and met MJ.




https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on May 30, 2013, 08:44:54 PM
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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 42min
Putnam played the audio with MJ's statement.


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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 44min
"My friends and doctors advised me to seek professional guidance immediately in order to eliminate what has become an addition," MJ said.


https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on May 30, 2013, 11:47:24 PM
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"I was working on the Elvis tour when he died so I kind of knew what to expect," Gongaware wrote in an e-mail to a friend two weeks after Jackson died. "Still quite a shock."

With the Elvis connection being brought up in the trial, I think Michael wants to bring attention to the fact that these people have been doing this for a very long time, going as far back as Elvis, this is how they've been treating artists all along and they are the same people then and now.
"They" have continually been cheating artists, lying to them, twisting the truth and manipulating numbers (sales figures, tickets sold and so on), treating artists only as a means for profit not as human beings, controlling artists lives including their personal and family situations, and please feel free to add anything else that I've missed. This has been going on for decades and these people who feed off of artists and have all their power because of artists, are never caught and continue with their ruthless and deceitful ways while the artists are set up to die of "drug overdoses".

Has this ever been done before? Where a company as powerful and as large as AEG Live is on trial for mistreating an artist?  I hope to God that Michael is making an example of AEG Live with this trial, and may be Sony, because in my heart I feel that he DID outsmart them and no one is capable of changing  the music industry and the world to the better like he is.....

P.S. Remember his recently released manifesto?  I think he is continuing to do what he said he would....

Faith, love your post!
I agree and I believe that this hoax has a purpose to bring wordwide attention to and expose wrongs/wrongdoings in various fields like entertainment industry, court & justice, doctors, media etc. I also think that the Elvis connection being brought up in trial certainly made people wonder and aware of wrongdoings and power in the entertainment industry. It's like Michael is speaking and standing up for all artists who have been a 'victim' of these powerful multinationals where BIG money is the target and the artist is just a number. While I'm writing this the song 'They Don't Really Care About Us" comes to mind. 

Quote
P.S. Remember his recently released manifesto?  I think he is continuing to do what he said he would....
I sure do remember and he's very busy in continuing to do so :icon_cool:

Thanks, everlasting.  I was also thinking today that Michael has always said in his interviews that he wanted to be a pioneer, break barriers, and be the first to do things in a certain way.  Well, ever since 6/25th, he has had a lot of "firsts", too many to count..... He has always been ahead of his time!!!

I agree with you, the song "They Don't Really Care About Us" fits very well with the court situation and how he's been treated by them most of his life.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on May 31, 2013, 01:44:19 AM
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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts3h
Putnam inquired about Gongaware's Kazoodi personal email account. On 6/20/09, the chain of emails with "Trouble at the Front" was sent there
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts3h
Gongaware claimed yesterday was the first time he saw the chain of email subject Trouble at the Front.

But 9 days ago Twitter Front said,
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мιи∂ѕєує ‏@Drawn2Painting 20 May
@frontback777 interesting... Email from Ortega to Phillips on 6/20/09
"Trouble at the Front" ... :p

 Front ‏@frontback777 20 May
@Drawn2Painting Worry not! "Trouble at the Front" is Backlogged. ;-)

Backlogged is right, since Gongaware hadn't checked that particular email account and there were a lot he hadn't read until now.
So if Front had pre-knowledge of this, what does that tell you about the possible show aspect of this AEG trial. That and the obvious referral to Wade Robson's repressed memory today as well.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on May 31, 2013, 12:57:53 PM
Doctor told AEG that Michael Jackson was a drug addict, lawyer says
 

By Jeff Gottlieb
May 31, 2013, 5:35 a.m.
The attorney for Michael Jackson’s family in its wrongful-death lawsuit said Thursday a doctor testified in a deposition that he injected Jackson with morphine while the singer was touring Asia and that he told a current AEG executive Jackson was a drug addict.

According to Brian Panish, the attorney for Jackson’s mother and three children, Dr. Stuart Finklestein said that while the Dangerous tour was in Bangkok, Thailand, in 1993 he couldn’t give Jackson an injection of morphine in his buttocks because there was too much scar tissue from previous shots. Instead, according to Panish, Finklestein said he gave the singer an IV drip of the drug for 24 hours.








Paul Gongaware, now co-chief executive of AEG Live/Concerts West was manager of the worldwide tour.


Photos: Michael Jackson | 1958-2009



Finklestein "told Gongaware that it was his opinion [Jackson] had an opiate addiction,” Panish said.

Gongaware testified Thursday that he did know then that Jackson had problems with drugs or painkillers until the singer made a public announcement. Jackson cut the tour short in Mexico City when Elizabeth Taylor flew down to accompany him to a rehab facility in London.

“Everyone knew Michael had a problem,” Jackson’s longtime makeup artist and hairstylist, who was on the tour, testified earlier in the trial.

PHOTOS: Michael Jackson | 1958-2009

Gongaware testified that Jackson was scheduled to give two shows in Bangkok but that the second was canceled. He said Jackson performed the first concert in 100-degree heat with 100% humidity.

Gongaware said that another doctor was on the Dangerous tour to treat Jackson, and that Finklestein treated the band and crew. He said Finklestein told him he treated Jackson twice.

Gongaware has testified that Finklestein is his regular doctor.

A deposition is given under oath, just like testimony in a courtroom.

Panish, who spoke outside the courtroom, also said that Gongaware warned Finklestein, “Don’t be a Dr. Nick,” a reference to a doctor who supplied Elvis Presley with prescription drugs that led to his death.

“He’s telling him, 'Don’t kill him,’” Panish said.

Finklestein is expected to testify is the case.

In an email to The Times, AEG attorney Marvin S. Putnam blasted the Jacksons' attorneys, saying that "throughout this trial, they have shown that their search is for something else entirely, and certainly not the truth."

He went on to say that shortly before the third leg of the tour, Jackson underwent painful scalp surgery after suffering severe burns while filming a Pepsi commercial. 

"Mr. Gongaware was aware that because of that surgery, Michael Jackson received pain medication at times during the tour. Mr. Gongaware never learned Mr. Jackson developed any problems with that medication until after the tour ended, when Mr. Gongaware -- like the rest of the world -- heard Mr. Jackson's public announcement that he was entering rehab."

The Jacksons are suing AEG, Gongaware and AEG Live Chief Executive and President Randy Phillips, saying they negligently hired and supervised Conrad Murray, the physician who gave the singer a fatal dose of the anesthetic propofol.

The defendants say that Jackson hired Murray and that any payments the company was supposed to give him were advances to Jackson.

Murray was convicted of involuntary manslaughter.


http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-jackson-aeg-trial-testimony-20130531,0,1986803.story


Michael already admitted to this and it is common knowledge.  But this was in 1993 when the first allegations hit and there isn't any other info. out there that he had any more problems with prescription drugs after this.

"Gongaware testified that Jackson was scheduled to give two shows in Bangkok but that the second was canceled. He said Jackson performed the first concert in 100-degree heat with 100% humidity."

How is a normal human being supposed to sing, dance and perform for over an hour under the above conditions???
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on May 31, 2013, 05:51:57 PM
@ Faithad777  How is a normal human being supposed to sing, dance and perform for over an hour under the above conditions???


Totally agree..... seems to me exaggerated fantasies...  :Michael_Jackson_smiley_by_red
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Front on May 31, 2013, 08:06:47 PM

...and don't forget the lighting system---adds at LEAST 10 degrees.

:moonwalk_:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on May 31, 2013, 08:53:52 PM
Very nice to "see" you again, Front.  I'm thinking that a person who is in the entertainment industry, or may be even a singer/dancer would automatically know to bring up the lighting system and it's effect on an artist.  Thanks for the reminder, and I agree it is a very important factor and one not to be forgotten.

P.S.  Looking at the time you posted, you are most likely to be in Pacific Time Zone.  Here in LA it is only 6:52pm. and still Friday. 
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on May 31, 2013, 11:27:52 PM
100% humidity would be under water.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: onthewingsoflove on June 01, 2013, 12:14:33 AM
100% humidity means that the air is holding 100% of the amount of water vapor it can hold. The capacity of air to hold water vapor varies based on temperature and barometric pressure. Technically you are 'under' water, because there are droplets of water above your head.   :icon_e_biggrin:

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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on June 01, 2013, 02:09:01 AM
Hot Yoga is done with around 100 degrees heat and only 50% humidity, but it's mostly stretches and not vigorous like dancing.
MJ would have to have a strong heart and lungs after all those years of dancing.  Is he practicing in the shower here for high humidity, filling his lungs with air? lol

(http://cdn7.michaeljacksonspictures.com/wp-content/gallery/pictures/michael-jackson-shower-pose.jpg)

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Dr. Stuart Finklestein said that while the Dangerous tour was in Bangkok, Thailand, in 1993 he couldn’t give Jackson an injection of morphine in his buttocks because there was too much scar tissue from previous shots.
That just seems completely unbelievable. What was he, a pin cushion?

Hi Front!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: iLoveyoumore on June 01, 2013, 03:33:14 AM
Hi Front nice to see you haven't forgotten this forum :compute:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Adi on June 01, 2013, 03:34:44 AM
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Hot Yoga is done with around 100 degrees heat and only 50% humidity, but it's mostly stretches and not vigorous like dancing.
MJ would have to have a strong heart and lungs after all those years of dancing.  Is he practicing in the shower here for high humidity, filling his lungs with air? lol

(http://cdn7.michaeljacksonspictures.com/wp-content/gallery/pictures/michael-jackson-shower-pose.jpg)

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Dr. Stuart Finklestein said that while the Dangerous tour was in Bangkok, Thailand, in 1993 he couldn’t give Jackson an injection of morphine in his buttocks because there was too much scar tissue from previous shots.
That just seems completely unbelievable. What was he, a pin cushion?

Hi Front!

Yep - I am calling bullsh*t on that scar tissue stuff.....my husband has been an insulin dependent diabetic since he was 21 and he's now 48 - injecting 3 or 4 times a day into his lower abdomen and he doesn't have scar tissue preventing him from still using that area. Crap!

100% humidity just means the air is holding as much water vapour as possible.....which is also dependent on many other factors including air temperature.....100% humidity also probably means it is raining....certainly very difficult conditions for an artist as physical as Michael to perform in for several hours when it's that humid and that hot....I think that would have been bloody hard for him, even given how fit he must have been.

Scar tissue reminds me of the Red Hot Chili Peppers song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzJj5-lubeM
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on June 01, 2013, 08:28:28 AM
Front's back!  :icon_e_smile:

Happy 2nd Birthday, Front, I've missed you.  :icon_redface:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on June 01, 2013, 12:14:17 PM
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...and don't forget the lighting system---adds at LEAST 10 degrees.

:moonwalk_:

Hi baby Chewie welcome back home  :bearhug: 
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on June 01, 2013, 02:17:19 PM

Hola Front! :icon_e_wink: Good to see you're still here.

& happy birthday! 
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on June 01, 2013, 03:03:25 PM
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Front's back!  :icon_e_smile:

Happy 2nd Birthday, Front, I've missed you.  :icon_redface:

Happy Birthday !!!  :multiplespotting:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: ShyBleuEyes on June 01, 2013, 04:01:09 PM
Hi Front , happy to see you  :)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on June 01, 2013, 05:41:26 PM


Oh yay, Front's back! Oh but wait, he never left!  :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on June 01, 2013, 06:12:13 PM
To get us back on topic, here's a vid about the trial with plenty of Elvis talk!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAiJgJ0SfNs&feature=share&list=UUhPsQLuXnDXQeMOtsU1K9dA[/youtube]
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on June 01, 2013, 09:55:20 PM
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Doctor told AEG that Michael Jackson was a drug addict, lawyer says
 

By Jeff Gottlieb
May 31, 2013, 5:35 a.m.
The attorney for Michael Jackson’s family in its wrongful-death lawsuit said Thursday a doctor testified in a deposition that he injected Jackson with morphine while the singer was touring Asia and that he told a current AEG executive Jackson was a drug addict.

According to Brian Panish, the attorney for Jackson’s mother and three children, Dr. Stuart Finklestein said that while the Dangerous tour was in Bangkok, Thailand, in 1993 he couldn’t give Jackson an injection of morphine in his buttocks because there was too much scar tissue from previous shots. Instead, according to Panish, Finklestein said he gave the singer an IV drip of the drug for 24 hours.








Paul Gongaware, now co-chief executive of AEG Live/Concerts West was manager of the worldwide tour.


Photos: Michael Jackson | 1958-2009



Finklestein "told Gongaware that it was his opinion [Jackson] had an opiate addiction,” Panish said.

Gongaware testified Thursday that he did know then that Jackson had problems with drugs or painkillers until the singer made a public announcement. Jackson cut the tour short in Mexico City when Elizabeth Taylor flew down to accompany him to a rehab facility in London.

“Everyone knew Michael had a problem,” Jackson’s longtime makeup artist and hairstylist, who was on the tour, testified earlier in the trial.

PHOTOS: Michael Jackson | 1958-2009

Gongaware testified that Jackson was scheduled to give two shows in Bangkok but that the second was canceled. He said Jackson performed the first concert in 100-degree heat with 100% humidity.

Gongaware said that another doctor was on the Dangerous tour to treat Jackson, and that Finklestein treated the band and crew. He said Finklestein told him he treated Jackson twice.

Gongaware has testified that Finklestein is his regular doctor.

A deposition is given under oath, just like testimony in a courtroom.

Panish, who spoke outside the courtroom, also said that Gongaware warned Finklestein, “Don’t be a Dr. Nick,” a reference to a doctor who supplied Elvis Presley with prescription drugs that led to his death.

“He’s telling him, 'Don’t kill him,’” Panish said.

Finklestein is expected to testify is the case.

In an email to The Times, AEG attorney Marvin S. Putnam blasted the Jacksons' attorneys, saying that "throughout this trial, they have shown that their search is for something else entirely, and certainly not the truth."

He went on to say that shortly before the third leg of the tour, Jackson underwent painful scalp surgery after suffering severe burns while filming a Pepsi commercial. 

"Mr. Gongaware was aware that because of that surgery, Michael Jackson received pain medication at times during the tour. Mr. Gongaware never learned Mr. Jackson developed any problems with that medication until after the tour ended, when Mr. Gongaware -- like the rest of the world -- heard Mr. Jackson's public announcement that he was entering rehab."

The Jacksons are suing AEG, Gongaware and AEG Live Chief Executive and President Randy Phillips, saying they negligently hired and supervised Conrad Murray, the physician who gave the singer a fatal dose of the anesthetic propofol.

The defendants say that Jackson hired Murray and that any payments the company was supposed to give him were advances to Jackson.

Murray was convicted of involuntary manslaughter.


http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-jackson-aeg-trial-testimony-20130531,0,1986803.story


Michael already admitted to this and it is common knowledge.  But this was in 1993 when the first allegations hit and there isn't any other info. out there that he had any more problems with prescription drugs after this.

"Gongaware testified that Jackson was scheduled to give two shows in Bangkok but that the second was canceled. He said Jackson performed the first concert in 100-degree heat with 100% humidity."

How is a normal human being supposed to sing, dance and perform for over an hour under the above conditions???

well now i'm afraid i will just have to see that to believe it .  :icon_e_wink: :-[
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: onthewingsoflove on June 01, 2013, 10:58:46 PM
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well now i'm afraid i will just have to see that to believe it .  :icon_e_wink: :-[



 :thjajaja121:    Good one! You just bowl me over!!!  "A merry heart doeth good like a medicine:" I'm going to miss you all when this is over!!!!

Stay blessed, because you certainly are!
OnTheWingsOfLove
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: marumjj on June 02, 2013, 04:25:22 AM
Gongaware Elvis brought this judgment, he is the connection between Elvis and MJ, working casually in the last two both work, but his memory is failing, the answer "no recollection" has been prevalent in his testimony.
"They say Gongaware e-mail, sent 11 days before Jackson's death, AEG executives live shows use fear of losing his lucrative job as Jackson's personal physician to put pressure on him to Jackson ready for trials despite Murray his fragile health.
Gongaware response was an e-mail show director Kenny Ortega expressing concern that Murray had saved Jackson trial yesterday. Ortega also raised concerns about Jackson's health.
"We recall (Murray) who is AEG, not MJ, you are paying your salary. Want to remind you of what is expected of him," wrote Gongaware. But in his video statement, said he could not remember writing it. "

other repressed memory?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 02, 2013, 08:27:53 AM
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To get us back on topic, here's a vid about the trial with plenty of Elvis talk!



Love it!  :elvis-1405:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: RedPennylocks on June 02, 2013, 10:47:03 PM
Happy Birthday Front!  :multiplespotting: :bearhug:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on June 03, 2013, 04:14:51 PM
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Doctor told AEG that Michael Jackson was a drug addict, lawyer says
 

By Jeff Gottlieb
May 31, 2013, 5:35 a.m.
The attorney for Michael Jackson’s family in its wrongful-death lawsuit said Thursday a doctor testified in a deposition that he injected Jackson with morphine while the singer was touring Asia and that he told a current AEG executive Jackson was a drug addict.

According to Brian Panish, the attorney for Jackson’s mother and three children, Dr. Stuart Finklestein said that while the Dangerous tour was in Bangkok, Thailand, in 1993 he couldn’t give Jackson an injection of morphine in his buttocks because there was too much scar tissue from previous shots. Instead, according to Panish, Finklestein said he gave the singer an IV drip of the drug for 24 hours.








Paul Gongaware, now co-chief executive of AEG Live/Concerts West was manager of the worldwide tour.


Photos: Michael Jackson | 1958-2009



Finklestein "told Gongaware that it was his opinion [Jackson] had an opiate addiction,” Panish said.

Gongaware testified Thursday that he did know then that Jackson had problems with drugs or painkillers until the singer made a public announcement. Jackson cut the tour short in Mexico City when Elizabeth Taylor flew down to accompany him to a rehab facility in London.

“Everyone knew Michael had a problem,” Jackson’s longtime makeup artist and hairstylist, who was on the tour, testified earlier in the trial.

PHOTOS: Michael Jackson | 1958-2009

Gongaware testified that Jackson was scheduled to give two shows in Bangkok but that the second was canceled. He said Jackson performed the first concert in 100-degree heat with 100% humidity.

Gongaware said that another doctor was on the Dangerous tour to treat Jackson, and that Finklestein treated the band and crew. He said Finklestein told him he treated Jackson twice.

Gongaware has testified that Finklestein is his regular doctor.

A deposition is given under oath, just like testimony in a courtroom.

Panish, who spoke outside the courtroom, also said that Gongaware warned Finklestein, “Don’t be a Dr. Nick,” a reference to a doctor who supplied Elvis Presley with prescription drugs that led to his death.

“He’s telling him, 'Don’t kill him,’” Panish said.

Finklestein is expected to testify is the case.

In an email to The Times, AEG attorney Marvin S. Putnam blasted the Jacksons' attorneys, saying that "throughout this trial, they have shown that their search is for something else entirely, and certainly not the truth."

He went on to say that shortly before the third leg of the tour, Jackson underwent painful scalp surgery after suffering severe burns while filming a Pepsi commercial. 

"Mr. Gongaware was aware that because of that surgery, Michael Jackson received pain medication at times during the tour. Mr. Gongaware never learned Mr. Jackson developed any problems with that medication until after the tour ended, when Mr. Gongaware -- like the rest of the world -- heard Mr. Jackson's public announcement that he was entering rehab."

The Jacksons are suing AEG, Gongaware and AEG Live Chief Executive and President Randy Phillips, saying they negligently hired and supervised Conrad Murray, the physician who gave the singer a fatal dose of the anesthetic propofol.

The defendants say that Jackson hired Murray and that any payments the company was supposed to give him were advances to Jackson.

Murray was convicted of involuntary manslaughter.


http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-jackson-aeg-trial-testimony-20130531,0,1986803.story


Michael already admitted to this and it is common knowledge.  But this was in 1993 when the first allegations hit and there isn't any other info. out there that he had any more problems with prescription drugs after this.

"Gongaware testified that Jackson was scheduled to give two shows in Bangkok but that the second was canceled. He said Jackson performed the first concert in 100-degree heat with 100% humidity."

How is a normal human being supposed to sing, dance and perform for over an hour under the above conditions???

well now i'm afraid i will just have to see that to believe it .  :icon_e_wink: :-[
well shoot ! i  was so distracted by the ........ yeah well, you know that i missed this. that sounds like something you  do for a hospice patient . and it seems like on these tours there weren't but maybe two days between concerts and then there would be travel and rehearsal  time wouldn't there. wouldn't bill bray still have been around then or was he gone already?  this seems way too extreme to be true. but then again doesn't so much of  it.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on June 03, 2013, 05:41:31 PM

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)2h (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/341642953170771969)
"He wanted to do biggest, best show ever, live show," Gongaware said.

(You don't say?? lol)

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)2h (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/341644380622434304)
"This is the machine, we have to take care of the machine. I want Conrad," Gongaware said Michael responded.

(I think Gongaware is saying MJ referred his body as 'the machine'...reminds me of Nicole calling her body her 'instrument')
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on June 03, 2013, 09:24:17 PM
The most repeated words by Gongaware are " Don't remember. "
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on June 03, 2013, 09:59:36 PM
 Piers Morgan talks with Gloria Allred and Tom Meserau


http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/video/bestoftv/2013/05/31/exp-pmt-law-and-disorder-gloria-allred-tom-meserau.cnn#/video/bestoftv/2013/05/31/exp-pmt-law-and-disorder-gloria-allred-tom-meserau.cnn
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on June 03, 2013, 10:20:16 PM
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The most repeated words by Gongaware are " Don't remember. "

Reminds me of that video of Michael, I can't remember what it's called (he's wearing glasses), but he's being interviewed about meds and signing papers, etc and he says he doesn't remember, for much of the answers.  It can be a rather convenient (and well-played) answer when needed!

But in between Gongaware's "don't remember" answers, he says some very interesting things indeed.

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on June 04, 2013, 01:02:55 AM
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onthewingsoflove
« Reply #412 on: May 31, 2013, 09:05:52 AM »
Thanks so much Applehead for this post!

To hear her say, "That's one of the smoking guns. Just sit, stay tune!" That simply made my day, because that's the position I assumed a long time ago!!! :icon_razz:

Stay blessed!
OnTheWingsOfLove

Thank YOU wings,thank's very much for your LOVE  :-* !!!!!
And Andrea is wright cause this Gonga man has memory problems just like Mike had many times lol  :icon_geek: .Here is the video you talked about:


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAA6ltsCcdk[/youtube]

Memo problems?????? Hell no  :icon_lol: !!!!!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on June 04, 2013, 01:47:52 AM
Interesting comments in court yesterday (Monday) about UK tabloid gossip and lies. Too many tweets to post here but I liked these two especially (my bolding):


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    ‏@ABC7Courts  (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts) (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/341705815545225217)      Email cont'd: Taking it one step further. When people realize that bulls**t the press has been, they will be in receptive mood for the truth


ABC7 Court News
    ‏@ABC7Courts   (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts) (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/341706019224834048)Email cont'd: Hey look. No skin cancer. He's just a good dad, loving raising his kids. His art and his craft are paramount.     
       (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/341706019224834048)

https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on June 04, 2013, 06:36:28 AM
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Piers Morgan talks with Gloria Allred and Tom Meserau


http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/video/bestoftv/2013/05/31/exp-pmt-law-and-disorder-gloria-allred-tom-meserau.cnn#/video/bestoftv/2013/05/31/exp-pmt-law-and-disorder-gloria-allred-tom-meserau.cnn

Thanks for the link Paula.

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As the family of Michael Jackson battles concert promoter AEG Live in court, on Thursday "Piers Morgan Live" produced another one of its "Law & Disorder" segments, inviting Thomas Mesereau and Gloria Allred to share their bottomless legal expertise:

"He's not looking very truthful, and looking very evasive," said Mesereau of Paul Gongaware, the AEG Live executive who admitted to negotiating a deal with Conrad Murray but claimed to have not vetted the doctor beforehand. "If that's true, it's going to really hurt the defendants as they try and prove to the jury that they never assumed responsibility for Michael Jackson's welfare or his doctor."

Mesereau has been chosen as a witness in the case, and therefore hasn't been allowed in the courtroom. As such, he was only able to share what he had heard, which included Gongaware's claim that he can't recall various emails that tie his company to Murray. According to Allred, such a position makes the executive an extremely weak resource for the defense:

"It's a problem, Piers, because when a witness continues to say, over and over 'I don't recall," as apparently this witness has, then it starts to give the impression on untruthfulness to the jury," said the noted Civil Rights lawyer. "It's reported that the jury began to laugh when this witness continued to say 'I don't recall.' When the jury begins to laugh at the witness, it should be a cause for concern by the defense."


The much too many "I don't recalls" of Gongaware are getting laughable and  :icon_rolleyes: for the jury, which should be a cause for concern for the defense. As he could be considered as an extremely weak resource for the defence. Good!!

Front's tweet:
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cracKed court---"testymoney" re$umes.....weeping elephant.
 

Maybe Gongaware has caused a significant crack in the defense, which makes elephant (powerful giant) AEG weep :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on June 04, 2013, 07:54:27 AM
Thanks Applehead for posting that vid, I can't see it now because I'm at work but I'm sure you got the right one!

everlasting:
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Front's tweet:
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cracKed court---"testymoney" re$umes.....weeping elephant.

Maybe Gongaware has caused a significant crack in the defense, which makes elephant (powerful giant) AEG weep

You could be right! He also spoke of Murray wanting $5 million and "settling" for $150K/month which seems to fit in with that tweet as well, to me at least...and Mrs Katherine wasn't there...Front also re-tweeted that juror 12 went down for a while (cracKed court) because he/she wasn't feeling well.  But if that's what Front was referring to, how did he know what the juror would do??  Is this trial totally faked, or at least some elements/participants, and the interactive ARG is now being played via twitter?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on June 04, 2013, 09:30:23 AM
How does that Tweet mean anything relevant? Looks to me like someone trying to be vague n cryptic because they know hoaxers will find connections between anything if they reach far enough.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on June 04, 2013, 10:15:02 AM
True enough bec.  The 140 character limit on twitter can often reduce tweets to being vague and cryptic.  It's easy to read too much into something... but it was fun yesterday.  Guess we'll just have to keep watchin'.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on June 04, 2013, 11:00:39 AM
Well we all know Front doesn't need the excuse of 140 character limit in order to be vague and cryptic!  It's one of his trademarks, Twitter or no Twitter!  Remember, reasons and meanings are not always meant to be ascertained in this moment!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on June 04, 2013, 11:09:04 AM

Also very true curls, lol.  He wouldn't be Front if we always knew what he was talking about!  And his posts/tweets tend to make more sense when looking back.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on June 04, 2013, 11:23:06 AM
I wouldn't say this trial is totally faked but I can safely say that many of this trial issues are quite hoaxy, beginning with the Gongaware "don't remember" and ending with the below issues that we already know:

http://www.legendarymichaeljackson.nl/news/aeg-executives-conflicting-versions-of-michael-jackson-o2-press-conference/?

http://www.legendarymichaeljackson.nl/news/elvis-presleys-death-now-controversy-in-michael-jackson-wrongful-death-trial/?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on June 04, 2013, 12:16:23 PM
(Off topic, but is anyone else finding the 'new' button has started going to the last post in that thread, not the first unread one?)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on June 04, 2013, 02:24:26 PM
gongaware seems quite sure there was no doctor on the history tour. isn't this where the first reports of his being put to sleep on tour came out of?
the i take him down and bring him back up comment from the doctor that was there. someone saying they saw the medical devices and saying michael suggesting he had to get some sleep . there was a video where media went to the dudes house . did i dream that up ? another thing  could  the chills and such possible symtoms of dehydration? 
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on June 04, 2013, 06:56:17 PM
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How does that Tweet mean anything relevant? Looks to me like someone trying to be vague n cryptic because they know hoaxers will find connections between anything if they reach far enough.

Relevant or not, tweets can be interpreted differently, even news tweets from court. Many theories are based on info from tweets. We don't know if they are of any significance and how relevant they are. And isn't that what hoaxers basically do, trying to find connections from different points of view? :icon_e_smile: 
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on June 04, 2013, 07:07:38 PM


So I'm thinking that Gongaware is in on it.  Judging by the tweets I've been reading now and lately.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on June 04, 2013, 07:08:19 PM
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How does that Tweet mean anything relevant? Looks to me like someone trying to be vague n cryptic because they know hoaxers will find connections between anything if they reach far enough.

Relevant or not, tweets can be interpreted differently, even news tweets from court. Many theories are based on info from tweets. We don't know if they are of any significance and how relevant they are. And isn't that what hoaxers basically do, trying to find connections from different points of view? :icon_e_smile: 


Totally agree, because, above all do not forget, behind all there is  Michael   :michael_jackson-1135:   ;D
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on June 04, 2013, 10:58:20 PM
ummm lots of talk about the elephant in the room during the murray trial wasn't there ?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Adi on June 04, 2013, 11:05:26 PM
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So I'm thinking that Gongaware is in on it.  Judging by the tweets I've been reading now and lately.

Yeah Andrea - I'm thinking along the same lines...

Gongaware's "testymoney" (lol....thanks twitter Front) was comical and some of the ABC Court tweets had me doing double takes and reading more than twice....the Elvis references etc...there was just so much in it...and now it's Randy Phillips turn saying he is happy with being "a number 2" in AEG...not "the number 2" for some reason it reminded me of that hand written note from MJ to LMP with the box and an arrow pointing to it saying Smell Here and  MJ signed it "Turd"  :icon_lol:  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on June 05, 2013, 12:05:43 AM
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ummm lots of talk about the elephant in the room during the murray trial wasn't there ?

Yes and the elephant that actually was in the room was much discussed. Both of them.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 05, 2013, 12:35:56 AM
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Well we all know Front doesn't need the excuse of 140 character limit in order to be vague and cryptic!  It's one of his trademarks, Twitter or no Twitter!  Remember, reasons and meanings are not always meant to be ascertained in this moment!

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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on June 05, 2013, 05:17:50 AM
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So I'm thinking that Gongaware is in on it.  Judging by the tweets I've been reading now and lately.

Yeah Andrea - I'm thinking along the same lines...

Gongaware's "testymoney" (lol....thanks twitter Front) was comical and some of the ABC Court tweets had me doing double takes and reading more than twice....the Elvis references etc...there was just so much in it...and now it's Randy Phillips turn saying he is happy with being "a number 2" in AEG...not "the number 2" for some reason it reminded me of that hand written note from MJ to LMP with the box and an arrow pointing to it saying Smell Here and  MJ signed it "Turd"  :icon_lol:  :icon_lol:
:icon_lol:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on June 05, 2013, 09:33:23 AM
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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 14h
Panish: You believe this case is an extortion, correct?
Phillips: Yes

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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 14h
"I wish you wouldn't keep calling it a baseless shakedown lawsuit," Phillips told Panish.


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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 14h
Phillips: It's possible, I don't remember



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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 14h
Panish: Did you sign a document under the penalty of perjury saying Mrs. Jackson aided and abetted Joe Jackson to extort money from AEG?



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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 14h
Panish: Do you think this is an extortion, shakedown lawsuit?
Phillips: Yes or no answer? Yes


This dude is accusing Katherine and Joe of extortion :icon_question:

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on June 05, 2013, 10:26:10 AM


Michael had an extortion scheme against him with baseless, untrue accusations.  And later, attempted extortion.  And who knows how many dark figures 'aided and abetted' the accusers.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on June 05, 2013, 05:36:24 PM
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Michael had an extortion scheme against him with baseless, untrue accusations.  And later, attempted extortion.  And who knows how many dark figures 'aided and abetted' the accusers.



Unfortunately, you're right.... :(
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: 2good2btrue on June 05, 2013, 11:10:24 PM
   ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Randy Phillips resumes testimony tomorrow. There will be no trial on Friday, since Putnam's son is graduating. Hope to see you all tomorrow!

      ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Court adjourned at this point. Session tomorrow begins at 1:30 pm PT. a juror has a graduation to attend in the morning.

      ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Out of $75 million in sales, AEG kept more than $5 million, which Phillips said they gave back to MJ's estate.
     
      ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h 93% of the "This Is It" tickets sold were refunded, Phillips said. "7-8% people elected to hold the tickets as souvenirs."

      ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Phillips said the encounter with Sharon Osbourne was just a hi and bye. They never talked about ticket sales or anything else related to MJ

      ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Phillips said he ran into Sharon at the lobby of their building. She asked how it was going, he said it's tough but we're going to get there

       ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish: Did you talk to Sharon Osbourne about the show?
Phillips: No, not to the extent that Sharon is alluding to we did.

      ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Phillips said in MJ's career they always paid his personal manager. Phillips recalls AEG paying artist's manager 1 other time, for Bon Jovi
       
      ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Phillips said he didn't know anything about Dr. Tohme in January 09 other than he was a consultant for Colony Capital and repped MJ.
     
      ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "We never hired Dr. Murray," Phillips said.

Phillips said AEG advanced DiLeo $50,000 at MJ's direction.

       ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Phillips: He had someone in that capacity. My understanding Frank DiLeo was his manager.
     
       ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish: Isn't it true, sir, that when Dr. Murray was hired no one was acting as MJ's personal manager?

       ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Phillips said they discussed something regarding Dr. Tohme's case against MJ's estate. He said he doesn't remember talking about this case.

      ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Phillips said he didn't, but Marvin Putnam, AEG's attorney, was also present.

       ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Phillips said he had lunch with Dr. Tohme in Beverly Hills within the past month. Panish asked if Phillips discussed Dr. Tohme's testimony.

        ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Phillips said it was not an intervention, but a meeting. He said it had nothing to do with drugs.

      ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Email cont'd: Getting him fully engaged is difficult and the most pressing matter as we are only 20 days out from the first show.

       ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Email cont'd: have an intervention with him to get him to focus and come to rehearsals yesterday.

       ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish showed an email dated 6/17/09 from Phillips to Dr. Tohme:
Kenny Ortega, Gongaware, DiLeo, his doctor named Conrad from Vegas and I

        ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h At this point, most jurors seemed to be tuned out when Phillips didn't give straight answers.

        ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "Frankly, I don't remember reading Paul's email, I was more concerned about Kenny's email," Phillips said.

        ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Phillips said he answered the same thing, but with different qualifications.

        ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h On the stand today, Phillips said he received Gongaware's email. Panish grilled Phillips pointing out he changed his answer three times.

       ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Phillips said he never received the email. Then, after being shown the email at depo, Phillips said he didn't remember receiving it.

        ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish showed the email that was forwarded to Frank DiLeo and Phillips was cc'd containing the mention that AEG, not MJ, pays Dr. Murray.

        ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Phillips said at the deposition it was the first time he ever saw Gongaware's email.

       ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h In his deposition, Phillips said Paul Gongaware never communicated to him about the email that AEG, not MJ, was paying Dr. Murray.

       ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h The only phone call Phillips remembers is the one that Dr. Murray called him on June 20, 2009.

       ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish said he never subpoenaed any phone records, that it was LAPD that did it. Phillips said he made an assumption.

      ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Phillips told Panish he'd know how many times he called Dr. Murray because the attorney subpoenaed the exec's phone records.

       ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Phillips remembers one phone call with Dr. Murray that lasted probably about 25 minutes.

       ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h As to MJ missing rehearsals, Phillips clarified: "MJ was showing up to rehearsal, just not to enough of them, in Kenny's opinion."

        ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Phillips pointed another mistake in LAPD's report. It states Phillips/Gongaware produced 2 MJ's tours but Phillips said he wasn't involved

       ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "I believe the Los Angeles Police Department is a fine entity as I believe in this judicial system," Phillips explained.

       ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Dr. Murray got in to and admonished Kenny Ortega and told him not to be an amateur doctor, Phillips said he told the police.

       ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h "The police made a mistake," Phillips said. "He (detective) misconstrued what was said and made a mistake."

        ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Phillips said he never told LAPD "Randy stated that Kenny got in Michael's face, at which time Dr. Murray admonished Randy..."

        ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Phillips said LAPD's detective made a mistake in the written police statement attributed to him.
       
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Phillips said each interview was different, but the intention was to say AEG hired Dr. Murray on behalf of MJ. "It's called the truth."

      ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Phillips said AEG's media person set up several interviews for him after MJ's death.

        ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish played the interview Phillips gave Sky News saying AEG hired Dr. Murray. Phillips said he meant AEG hired the doc on behalf of MJ.

        ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish showed a board meeting agenda on 5/26/09, in which they were to talk about MJ's tour.

        ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish asked Phillips if he knows the corporate structure of AEG Live. He said it was under AEG, but he doesn't know who exactly owns AEG.

       ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Panish asked Phillips which answer was right. He answered:  "Do you want the truth or do you want what I testified?"

       ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h Brian Panish resumed questioning. He showed several instances where Randy Phillips said one thing in deposition, another while on the stand

        ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h AEG Live CEO Randy Phillips resumed testimony this morning. No one ever said anything about Paris Jackson during trial.

       ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h Katherine Jackson was not in the courtroom today for today's trial session. We were told she's naturally concerned with granddaughter Paris.

      ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h We got interview on camera with both Jackson's attorney and AEG attorney. Watch @ABC7 or http://www.abc7.com  for the latest updates.

       ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h Statement cont'd: We wish her a speedy recovery and her family all the best. I hope, I really hope she's okay."

        ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h Statement from AEG's attorney, Marvin Putnam: “We pray to God the reports are not true. God forbid that they are.

       ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h Statement cont'd: Please respect her privacy and the family's privacy."

       ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h Statement cont'd: Paris is physically fine and is getting appropriate medical attention.

      ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h Statement cont'd: It is especially difficult when you lose the person closest to you.

        ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h Jacksons attys released this statement, approved by Katherine Jackson: "Being a sensitive 15 year old is difficult no matter who you are.

 This is todays tweets
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: 2good2btrue on June 05, 2013, 11:19:25 PM
      ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h We are told Paris is currently under the care of specialized medical professionals.

      ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h A source close to the Jackson family confirmed to @ABC7 that Paris was rushed to the hospital due to suicide attempt.

      ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 7h Hello from the courthouse in downtown LA. Very busy morning today. @ABC7 confirms Paris Jackson was rushed to the hospital last night.

       ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5 Jun That ended today's testimony. Phillips is back on the stand tomorrow morning. As always, we hope to see you too!

      ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5 Jun Panish asked if Phillips thought there was a conflict of interest with Tohme working for Olony and MJ. He said no.

      ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5 Jun Tohme Tohme was a business associate with Colony Capital, who was also working with MJ.

      ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5 Jun Panish: Do you think any of this is funny, sir?
Phillips: No, I think it's tragic

        ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5 Jun Panish: Neverland was his beloved home, right sir?
Phillips: Hard to answer, because of the things MJ told me

        ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5 Jun Phillips said he was referring to MJ's spending.Expand Collapse Reply Retweet Retweeted

       ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5 Jun Email: I caution you that MJ is not fast and a total perfectionist (needs to be controlled as much as possible).

        ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5 Jun On 6/13/08, Phillips sent email to Colony Capital with a summation of plans for MJ for four years.

        ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5 Jun Panish: Did you learn Colony Capital purchase note on Neverland?
Phillips: Yes
BP: Is Barrack one of principals on Colony Capital?
RP: Yes

        ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5 Jun Panish: Please don't argue with me, I'm going to argue w/  you and will get in trouble
Phillips: That's an incentive now
(Everyone laughed)

      ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5 Jun Panish asked if it was true Phillips wanted 2 meet with MJ to tour in 2007. Phillips answered it was the opposite, they asked for a meeting.

        ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5 Jun Phillips said Mr. Anschutz told him he's happy being a number 2.

       ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5 Jun Panish: You don't want to be number one?
Phillips: Not if it means losing money

        ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5 Jun Panish: Do you like being number 2?
Phillips: Love it! I'd rather be a successful number 2

        ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5 Jun Live Nation is the largest concert promoter in the world, Phillips said.

       ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5 Jun Panish showed Phillips a Forbes article where he said AEG is about making money, since they are a business.

       ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5 Jun Panish: Isn't it true you said AEG live doesn't lose money, sir?
Phillips: Among other things I said

       ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5 Jun "It's what I knew at the time," Phillips said.

       ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5 Jun Panish: Did you write email that AEG checked everyone out?
Phillips: Yes, I did
Panish: That was not true
Phillips: In retrospect, not 100%

Ex       ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5 Jun Panish: You said he was a great doctor?
Phillips: Because that's what I was told

       ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5 Jun "I wrote in an email to Kenny Ortega that I thought Dr. Murray had been checked out. I still do, to some extent," Phillips said.

        ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5 Jun Panish: You told Mr. Ortega that AEG checked everyone out, including Dr. Murray?

     
 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5 Jun Panish: You believe this case is an extortion, correct?
Phillips: Yes

https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on June 05, 2013, 11:32:02 PM
This stuff is so boring.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: 2good2btrue on June 05, 2013, 11:51:41 PM
RANDY PHILLIPS SLAPPED MICHAEL B4 THE PRESS CONFERENCE AT 02.     :omg:


https://twitter.com/TeamMichael777

robin burleyson ‏@13yankeefan 28m @TeamMichael777 @mylove4MJ WTF. Slapped him???

Lisa Mckinney ‏@Lady_Rebel_ 41m @FukDaPress according 2 @TeamMichael777 They Hit MJ.

Robin Moyer ‏@RobinMoyer5 1h @TeamMichael777 @mylove4MJ Excuse me???? He slapped Michael? A**hole! How dare he.

TeamMichaelJackson♛ ‏@TeamMichael777 53m @ineffablemjj hes a arrogant little midget s#%t. The more he talks the more he buries himself.

Truth4Michael ‏@Truth4Michael 1h @TeamMichael777 RP IS A SORRY EXCUSE FOR A SHORT MAN, SHORT DXXX SYNDROME JERK!

CARLA MITCHEM ‏@RANDYJACKSONFAN 1h @Truth4Michael @TeamMichael777 WHAT HE SLAP MICHAEL? THAT IS ASSAULT, THE NERVE OF THAT MAN
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on June 07, 2013, 03:19:35 PM
AEG exec feared Michael Jackson would sabotage his comeback tour
By Alan Duke, CNN
June 7, 2013 -- Updated 1340 GMT (2140 HKT)


Los Angeles (CNN) -- AEG Live executives feared Michael Jackson would sabotage his comeback concerts five days before his death, the company's CEO testified Thursday.

Randy Phillips refused to advance money to help Jackson pay his staff because he believed the singer was "in an anticipatory breach" of his contract because he had missed rehearsals, he testified.

Phillips testified in the sixth week of the trial to decide whether the concert promoter is liable in Jackson's death for the negligent hiring, retention or supervision of Dr. Conrad Murray, who was convicted of involuntary manslaughter.

The lawsuit filed by Jackson's mother and children contends that Phillips and other AEG Live executives pressured Jackson to attend rehearsals despite his deteriorating health and ignored red flags that should have warned them about the dangers posed by Murray.

Jackson lawyers questioned Phillips about his e-mail exchanges with Michael Kane -- Jackson's business manager -- when Kane asked for an advance, which was provided for in Jackson's contract with AEG Live for his "This Is It" tour.

Phillips said he was concerned that because Jackson had missed so many rehearsals, the show would not be ready for its debut in London on July 13, 2009.

"This is why it is impossible to advance any $$$," Phillips wrote to Kane on June 20, 2009. "He may, unfortunately, be in an anticipatory breach at this point."

"And I thought it couldn't get worse," Kane replied.

"It could," Phillips said. "(Show director) Kenny Ortega could quit."

Phillips' testimony that he believed Jackson was contractually obligated to attend rehearsals contradicted AEG Live Co-CEO Paul Gongware's previous testimony that Jackson was not required to rehearse.

Phillips acknowledged that by June 20, 2009, he was worried the production would not be ready on time
Kane, in an e-mail to Phillips, offered to help motivate Jackson to get to rehearsals. "Would a financial coming to Jesus speech help or add to his pressure?" Kane asked.

"It would help," Phillips replied. "At this point, we need to break through. I'm going to call his doctor to discuss."

Later that day, Phillips and other AEG Live executives met with Murray and Jackson at the singer's home. The Jackson lawyers contend at that meeting they put Murray in charge of having Jackson at rehearsals.

AEG Live lawyers claim the company executives had no way of knowing that Murray was giving Jackson nightly infusions of the surgical anesthetic propofol to treat his insomnia.

The Los Angeles County coroner ruled that Jackson died from an overdose of propofol on June 25, 2009.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/06/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/index.html?sr=sharebar_twitter
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on June 07, 2013, 04:01:02 PM
Thanks sweet for the article.

Phillips' testimony that he believed Jackson was contractually obligated to attend rehearsals contradicted AEG Live Co-CEO Paul Gongware's previous testimony that Jackson was not required to rehearse.

They are burying themselves with their lies, deceit and contradictions.

Later that day, Phillips and other AEG Live executives met with Murray and Jackson at the singer's home. The Jackson lawyers contend at that meeting they put Murray in charge of having Jackson at rehearsals.

They put Murray in charge of having Jackson at rehearsals...... something like:  We are the ones who are paying you, you better make sure Michael shows up to rehearsals no matter what, or you will not see one cent.........Capiche???  I think this is the much nicer version of what Randy Phillips might have said to Murray...
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on June 07, 2013, 06:25:49 PM
it's  really a continuous contradiction.... coincidence ???  :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on June 07, 2013, 11:07:48 PM
Attending rehearsal is not the same as actually rehearsing.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: RK on June 08, 2013, 10:09:48 AM
Been waiting to see if any news outlets would report this Randy Phillips slapping  incident

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/concert_announced_says_michael_jackson_ijUw9hdUs0c7ESwTJRGxON (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/concert_announced_says_michael_jackson_ijUw9hdUs0c7ESwTJRGxON)

Concert exec says Michael Jackson was 'drunk and despondent' when final tour was announced
By RICHARD JOHNSON
Last Updated: 5:40 AM, June 6, 2013
Posted: 10:49 PM, June 5, 2013
LOS ANGELES -- The top executive in charge of Michael Jackson's final doomed concert tour testified today he had to slap the "drunk and despondent" star on the day those gigs were announced.

AEG Live CEO Randy Phillips also called Jackson "a self-loathing emotionally paralyzed mess," in a March 5, 2009, to his then-boss at parent company AEG, Tim Leiweke.

Phillips told jurors today he was "exaggerating" in those e-mails, and hopes to make them go away in this civil lawsuit being pushed by Jackson's family. Phillips doesn't want jurors to believe he and other AEG officials knew how sick he was before The King of Pop died on June 25, 2009.


AEG Live CEO Randy Phillips testified in court that Michael Jackson was "drunk and despondent" and he had to slap him on the day his final tour was announced.
"MJ is locked in his room drunk and despondent," Phillips wrote on March 5, when Jackson showed up two hours late for his press conference at London's O2 Arena. "(Jackson's manager) Tohme and I are trying to sober him up and get him to the press conference with his hair-dressing/make-up artist."

Leiweke replied: "Are you kidding me?"



Philips wrote back: "I screamed at him so loud the walls were shaking. Tohme and I have dressed him and they are finishing his hair and then we are rushing to the O2. This is the scariest thing I have seen. He is an emotionally paralyzed mess riddled with self-loathing and doubt now that it is show time. He is scared to death. Right now I just want to get through the press conference."

At his deposition six months ago, before he was shown his e-mails, Phillips denied that Jackson was either drunk or despondent on the day of the president conference, and denied yelling at The Gloved One, saying he merely "raised his voice."

Phillips says he was telling the truth in his deposition, and was not accurate in his email. "I was relaying what Dr. Tohme told me... I wrote it as fast as I could write it."

Panish said, "You have to yell pretty loud to make the walls shake. Do you have a tendency to exaggerate?"

Phillips said, "No."

To another business associate, Phillips wrote: "I haven't pulled it off yet. We still have to get his nose on properly. You have no idea what this is like. He is a self-loathing emotionally paralyzed mess... I just slapped him."

Phillips admitted, "I slapped him on the but
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on June 08, 2013, 10:27:54 AM
MJ didn't look scared to death at the O2. He looked confident as hell.

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We still have to get his nose on properly.
Lolololol!!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: RK on June 08, 2013, 10:33:13 AM
Yeah...is it sarcasm or satire? 
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on June 08, 2013, 10:55:35 AM
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Yeah...is it sarcasm or satire?

That's the question... they're sure doing their darndest to make Phillips look like a complete a**hole.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on June 08, 2013, 11:22:41 AM
Michael Jackson - Michael Jackson's Family Fail To Show In Court
08 June 2013


http://www.contactmusic.com/news/michael-jackson-s-family-fail-to-show-in-court_3708769
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: RK on June 08, 2013, 11:30:36 AM
Taj just retweeted this about Randy Philips slapping incident

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 Charles Thomson ‏@CEThomson 4h
@MJGurls @finfinfiona1 He not only hit Michael Jackson, but then emailed colleagues to tell them he did it. Only reason we ever found out.
 Retweeted by Taj Jackson
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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on June 08, 2013, 06:40:35 PM
 >:( A strange trial.....



Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 7 Giu
An LA judge has asked for inquiry in Paris Jackson's status and welfare.


Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 7 Giu
It's important to note that the judge ordered a similar inquiry last year after Katherine Jackson's disappearance.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on June 10, 2013, 10:06:01 AM
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Taj just retweeted this about Randy Philips slapping incident

 View conversation
 Charles Thomson ‏@CEThomson 4h
@MJGurls @finfinfiona1 He not only hit Michael Jackson, but then emailed colleagues to tell them he did it. Only reason we ever found out.
 Retweeted by Taj Jackson
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These dudes act as a ganster, and then send emails to brag about what he did

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on June 10, 2013, 11:14:49 AM
slapping him on the butt sort of suggest treating him like a spoiled child to me.  just saying
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on June 10, 2013, 02:02:05 PM
Here is the information on that slap:

Promoter: I slapped 'despondent' Michael Jackson


http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/10/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on June 10, 2013, 02:21:23 PM
Football players in the US slap each other on the butt all the time. Shows a sense of comradery, congratulatory sort of "good job", a sort of fraternal, boy's club sort of gesture.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on June 10, 2013, 04:03:01 PM
Alan Duke ‏@AlanDukeCNN 6 Giu
AEG exec feared Michael Jackson would sabotage his comeback tour     ???   



https://twitter.com/AlanDukeCNN
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on June 10, 2013, 04:34:40 PM
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Football players in the US slap each other on the butt all the time. Shows a sense of comradery, congratulatory sort of "good job", a sort of fraternal, boy's club sort of gesture.
http://www.tmz.com/videos/0_uxpf4gr2/

I find this trial pure comedy and Phillips hilarious!

For the record, here's list of trial exhibits.
http://www.psblaw.com/michael-jackson-trial-exhibits.html


Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on June 10, 2013, 06:46:02 PM
Couple of straight jacket remarks today, lol. How many times has someone here said they needed a straight jacket?  :icon_lol:

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)4m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/344236965249564672)
Panish: Did you think that MJ needed a straight jacket?Phillips: It was a generic comment

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)3m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/344237191620337664)
Panish: Do you think MJ needed a straight jacket?Phillips: No, I don't think MJ needed a straight jacket.


Also found this interesting:

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)15m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/344234487145697280)
"Dr. Murray, said there wasn't anything wrong with MJ," Phillips expressed. "MJ said there wasn't anything wrong with Michael Jackson."


(Reminded me of the 1979 manifesto "MJ will be my new name...")
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: ashprak247 on June 10, 2013, 07:41:47 PM
Is it me or has anyone noticed that abc7 court news that tweets news from the case is only following the official jackaon Family on twitter:

The Jackson's
Prince Jackson
Michael Jackson
Janet Jackson
Taj Jackson
Pris jackaon
Jackie Jackson
Randy Jackson
Latoya Jackson

Does it not seem strange almost as if it's Michael feeding the news himself abt the aeg court case?

Then we had front tweet clues abt what the family were going to wear in terms of colors to the court hours before they arrived?

I personally thnk Michael is posting clues lie the straight jacket, hoax colors, not stipulating mj is dead days before the case started, the number 7 popping up so many times etc.

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: SimPattyK on June 10, 2013, 08:27:37 PM
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Also very true curls, lol.  He wouldn't be Front if we always knew what he was talking about! And his posts/tweets tend to make more sense when looking back.

TRUE that !!  :icon_e_wink:  :moonwalk_:

Just passing by to say HI everyone & don't worry, be HAPPY!  :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile  :bearhug:

(http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/3778/frontjune1stvalidation.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/541/frontjune1stvalidation.jpg/)

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: hopeful10 on June 10, 2013, 08:56:26 PM
Good to see you here. You're a girl of your word.And as always, good information. :elvis-1405: :moonwalk_:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on June 10, 2013, 08:58:59 PM

Hi Sim  :icon_mrgreen:

Judging by your local time of those tweets you should be in bed!   :icon_lol:

It only took me two years to FINALLY understand why certain things that Front has written haven't made sense in that mOMENt.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: RK on June 10, 2013, 09:26:15 PM
Just wanted to drop this  in the thread......wow what a story line.......We might just get that   Ka-BAM that Murray spoke of

Quote
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h
On 8/18/09 Phillips wrote email to Michael Roth:
I think I know what MJ died of and this would exonerate Conrad
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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: use_your_illusion on June 10, 2013, 09:27:52 PM
@Rk...Wow, and look at this how clearer does it get.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h
Panish: Did you want Dr. Murray to get exonerated?
Phillips: I'd always want an innocent man not to get convicted
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on June 10, 2013, 10:02:12 PM
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@Rk...Wow, and look at this how clearer does it get.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h
Panish: Did you want Dr. Murray to get exonerated?
Phillips: I'd always want an innocent man not to get convicted

I suppose the question remains (for me anyways) as to just HOW innocent Phillips knows Murray to be. 

I haven't totally made up my mind about AEG (more so to keep an open mind either way even though I'm currently leaning more one way than another).  Phillips got in heck from the judge today for arguing with the lawyers, lol, and while Gongaware said 'hoaxier' things (imo), they both seem to have selective memories.



Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: use_your_illusion on June 10, 2013, 11:45:54 PM
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@Rk...Wow, and look at this how clearer does it get.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h
Panish: Did you want Dr. Murray to get exonerated?
Phillips: I'd always want an innocent man not to get convicted

I suppose the question remains (for me anyways) as to just HOW innocent Phillips knows Murray to be. 

I haven't totally made up my mind about AEG (more so to keep an open mind either way even though I'm currently leaning more one way than another).  Phillips got in heck from the judge today for arguing with the lawyers, lol, and while Gongaware said 'hoaxier' things (imo), they both seem to have selective memories.

Yep...Phillips seems to be more arrogant in this trial then the last, I don't know if it's just because AEG is the target of this trial or if his told to script himself that way. To me he seems to have more of a central role now.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on June 11, 2013, 04:56:53 AM
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Is it me or has anyone noticed that abc7 court news that tweets news from the case is only following the official jackaon Family on twitter:

The Jackson's
Prince Jackson
Michael Jackson
Janet Jackson
Taj Jackson
Pris jackaon
Jackie Jackson
Randy Jackson
Latoya Jackson

Does it not seem strange almost as if it's Michael feeding the news himself abt the aeg court case?

Then we had front tweet clues abt what the family were going to wear in terms of colors to the court hours before they arrived?

I personally thnk Michael is posting clues lie the straight jacket, hoax colors, not stipulating mj is dead days before the case started, the number 7 popping up so many times etc.
This is so cool!
I noticed all those tweets you guys mentioned, but you've put them in such clear context of MJ speaking it himself, and it cracks me up.
Phillips has a great sense of humor and wit!

Sim, thanks for putting that awesome Front surprise together like that!

Andrea, when I read that I thought ABC7 had just made a mistake. Good point about the manifesto. And TS called Front, "MJ".
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on June 11, 2013, 05:00:17 AM
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Just wanted to drop this  in the thread......wow what a story line.......We might just get that   Ka-BAM that Murray spoke of

Quote
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h
On 8/18/09 Phillips wrote email to Michael Roth:
I think I know what MJ died of and this would exonerate Conrad
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I think he died of laughter. And Murray was charged with manslaughter. lol

You know, I again wonder about MJ (or someone) controlling much of the news world.
Court talks about slapping butts, and they put Chad Johnson slapping butts story.
Front talks about his wrist being Chewbacca'a, and then yesterday a newstory about the actor Chewbacca.
Lately I've seen ads on TV about the elephant in the room, where a real elephant wanders in what's happening.
There's lots of other examples but...
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: RK on June 11, 2013, 09:29:14 AM
I noticed those stories about Chewie and the but slapping too. Of course it was TMZ where I read them.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on June 11, 2013, 02:52:29 PM
So TMZ is in full flow posting numerous Jackson articles but still no word from them about what's been going on in court.  There has to be a reason for this. Why are they so obviously avoiding it?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on June 11, 2013, 02:53:56 PM
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Plaintiff's counsel Brian My recommendation is asked to Gongaware about a friend of the CEO Randy Phillips AEG, who was going to work with Jackson. Gongaware said he did not know if this friend of Phillips was a specialist in nutrition Gongaware stated that recalls someone named David Loughner that works with MJ. My recommendation is noted Laughner is friend Randy Phillips


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"I don't know if was a nutritionist, but was someone to be in charge to make MJ eat". Gongaware: He is a type that has been treated with the artists: My recommendation is: artists in problems? Gongaware: Artists in general. Gongaware said he doesn't know what made Laughner, but the,but it has been working with JLo and Enrique Iglesias.


Who is David Loughner :icon_question:    Another doctor
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on June 11, 2013, 03:12:18 PM
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So TMZ is in full flow posting numerous Jackson articles but still no word from them about what's been going on in court.  There has to be a reason for this. Why are they so obviously avoiding it?

Since day 1 of the trial, "they" (AEG, Sony) have tried to divert attention AWAY from the trial, since "their" dirty laundry is being aired in this trial, they want less fans and the public to follow it.   An example of the diversion is the Wade Robson allegations, another is the more recent allegations coming from Liberace's boyfriend.

If you follow the trial via ABC7 Court News tweets and Anthony McCartney tweets, you'll understand better what I mean.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on June 11, 2013, 03:17:53 PM
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So TMZ is in full flow posting numerous Jackson articles but still no word from them about what's been going on in court.  There has to be a reason for this. Why are they so obviously avoiding it?

Since day 1 of the trial, "they" (AEG, Sony) have tried to divert attention AWAY from the trial, since "their" dirty laundry is being aired in this trial, they want less fans and the public to follow it.   An example of the diversion is the Wade Robson allegations, another is the more recent allegations coming from Liberace's boyfriend.

If you follow the trial via ABC7 Court News tweets and Anthony McCartney tweets, you'll understand better what I mean.

Agree  Faithad777 and if TMZ does not speak of the trial there is a reason.....  :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on June 11, 2013, 03:50:49 PM
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Couple of straight jacket remarks today, lol. How many times has someone here said they needed a straight jacket?  :icon_lol:

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)4m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/344236965249564672)
Panish: Did you think that MJ needed a straight jacket?Phillips: It was a generic comment

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)3m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/344237191620337664)
Panish: Do you think MJ needed a straight jacket?Phillips: No, I don't think MJ needed a straight jacket.


Also found this interesting:

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)15m (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/344234487145697280)
"Dr. Murray, said there wasn't anything wrong with MJ," Phillips expressed. "MJ said there wasn't anything wrong with Michael Jackson."


(Reminded me of the 1979 manifesto "MJ will be my new name...")

Or just comparing the exact same way of thinking that CM and MJ have (parallelism, CM taking over MJ's role).
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on June 11, 2013, 04:20:43 PM
If Front could predict testimony in court, then there's a show going on.

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Promoter's e-mail: Michael Jackson's dermatologist 'scares us to death'
http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/11/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/index.html?sr=sharebar_twitter
Klein, you better run! lol  Last part cracks me up:

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"Kenny felt that Michael was taking this show a little too nonchalantly," Phillips told CNN.
Phillips testified Monday that the meeting with Dr. Murray and Jackson -- which he called "an intervention" in an e-mail -- was called to find out what was wrong with Jackson.
But in the CNN interview, Phillips denied it was AEG Live who wanted Murray to be there. "Michael brought him," he said. "That was Michael's choice. He brought Dr. Murray into the meeting."
"I didn't invite Dr. Murray into the meeting," Phillips said in response to a follow up question by Lemon. "Michael brought Dr. Murray into the meeting."
"Why would Jackson feel he needed his doctor to meet with the concert promoters?" Lemon asked.
"Because he was using Dr. Murray like he would a manager or a representative," Phillips said. "He wanted him to speak for him."
"Did that seem odd to you?" Lemon asked.
"No, nothing seems odd in Michael world," he said.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on June 11, 2013, 04:29:38 PM
MJonmind, has Front predicted testimony in court? I don' t see where you get that from.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Do on June 11, 2013, 05:01:10 PM
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If Front could predict testimony in court, then there's a show going on.

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Promoter's e-mail: Michael Jackson's dermatologist 'scares us to death'
http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/11/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/index.html?sr=sharebar_twitter
Klein, you better run! lol  Last part cracks me up:

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"Kenny felt that Michael was taking this show a little too nonchalantly," Phillips told CNN.
Phillips testified Monday that the meeting with Dr. Murray and Jackson -- which he called "an intervention" in an e-mail -- was called to find out what was wrong with Jackson.
But in the CNN interview, Phillips denied it was AEG Live who wanted Murray to be there. "Michael brought him," he said. "That was Michael's choice. He brought Dr. Murray into the meeting."
"I didn't invite Dr. Murray into the meeting," Phillips said in response to a follow up question by Lemon. "Michael brought Dr. Murray into the meeting."
"Why would Jackson feel he needed his doctor to meet with the concert promoters?" Lemon asked.
"Because he was using Dr. Murray like he would a manager or a representative," Phillips said. "He wanted him to speak for him."
"Did that seem odd to you?" Lemon asked.
"No, nothing seems odd in Michael world," he said.


Is this the same meeting that Phillips (during the manslaughter trial) denied -under oath- ever took place?

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The controversial Conrad Murray documentary debuted in the United Kingdom tonight -- and in it the doctor emphatically states that AEG Live CEO Randy Phillips told him Michael Jackson does not have a f**king cent!.

"Murray claims Phillips pulled him aside after a meeting about the "This Is It" concerts and angrily said ... "What's this bullshit all about? Listen this guy is next to skid row. He's going to be homeless. Nine security guards? Why does he need that? I'm paying for that s**t. I'm paying for the toilet paper he wipes his f**king ass with."

Phillips took the stand during the manslaughter trial and -- under oath -- denied that conversation with Murray ever took place.

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=21314.0

Or is Phillips only refering to the private conversation with Murray after the meeting about Michael not having a f**king cent?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on June 11, 2013, 05:58:24 PM
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MJonmind, has Front predicted testimony in court? I don' t see where you get that from.

Curls, MJonmind said: if Front "COULD" predict, what means he haven't predicted any testimony yet but if he does it then the trial would be everything except reliable or real.

Btw I think it's time to reopen Back & Front thread since Front is being very reliable lately, sorry Souza I didn't mean to bother  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on June 11, 2013, 06:34:04 PM
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So TMZ is in full flow posting numerous Jackson articles but still no word from them about what's been going on in court.  There has to be a reason for this. Why are they so obviously avoiding it?

Since day 1 of the trial, "they" (AEG, Sony) have tried to divert attention AWAY from the trial, since "their" dirty laundry is being aired in this trial, they want less fans and the public to follow it.   An example of the diversion is the Wade Robson allegations, another is the more recent allegations coming from Liberace's boyfriend.

If you follow the trial via ABC7 Court News tweets and Anthony McCartney tweets, you'll understand better what I mean.

Agree  Faithad777 and if TMZ does not speak of the trial there is a reason.....  :icon_rolleyes:


I think TMZ is deliberately avoiding the wrongful death trial, at Michael's request.

TMZ was first to report Michael's "death" which in itself was a "wrongful death" since the death didn't occur.   They reported a hoaxed death as real.  So now maybe they've "hoaxed" their wrongful death coverage, by saying they would be reporting it - I remember TMZ saying something how they would be at opening statements and then....nothing.  TMZ is now instead reporting on the 'side shows', the 'distractions' - going full tabloid on us - and we get the high-lights of the trial from the above mentioned twitter accounts.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on June 11, 2013, 06:50:55 PM
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I noticed those stories about Chewie and the but slapping too. Of course it was TMZ where I read them.

Could you please RK give me the link to TMZ article about Chewie??
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on June 11, 2013, 06:53:16 PM
Michael Jackson - Aeg Live Boss Given Stern Warning In Court
11 June 2013

http://www.contactmusic.com/news/aeg-live-boss-given-stern-warning-in-court_3714775
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Adi on June 11, 2013, 07:49:03 PM
These 3 tweets today from ABC7 Courts are hilarious:

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 46m
"Brenda had called me to tell me that she was in communication with Michael either through a medium or directly," Phillips testified.


ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 45m
Phillips said Michael told Brenda that it wasn't Dr. Murray's fault and he had killed himself. "I told you it was weird," Phillips expressed


ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 44m
Putnam asked why he didn't tell LAPD what Brenda said. "I didn't want to be in that straight jacket Dan was talking about," Phillips said


 :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on June 11, 2013, 08:00:59 PM

Ya Adi, those tweets were pretty funny, I had to read them twice lol.

This one made me laugh too:

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)5h (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/344542018409730048)
"I did not deal with MJ's affairs, but dealing with MJ was exhausting," Phillips explained.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: RK on June 11, 2013, 09:37:57 PM
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I noticed those stories about Chewie and the but slapping too. Of course it was TMZ where I read them.

Could you please RK give me the link to TMZ article about Chewie??

There is an article  I saw, but can't locate at the moment....but this is from TMZ twitter....

 
Following
 
TMZVerified account
‏@TMZ
TSA tried to confiscate Chewbacca actor Peter Mayhew’s lightsaber cane… “Wookiee” mistake
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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on June 11, 2013, 10:48:16 PM
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So TMZ is in full flow posting numerous Jackson articles but still no word from them about what's been going on in court.  There has to be a reason for this. Why are they so obviously avoiding it?

In my opinion it's because it doesn't matter. It's not televised so it can't be that important. Everything that is important is made available to us, for free, and has been since day One of the hoax. Ambulance at Carrolwood, helicopter to coroner, the Memorial and it's program, the Burial and it's program, TII, Michael album, the videos off Michael album, Cirque soundtrack, Bad25 album, Murray trial, etc (lots more), all free online-- if you wanted to stay abreast of hoax news, you could, for free, from anywhere in the world that has internet access. If you wish to play the ARG, you can, no encumbrances other then free time. Money and location provides no advantage in the game. Everyone is, and always has been, on equal ground.

So if patterns repeat, which they tend to even in nature, this trial really isn't very important. If anything transpires that we need to know about, he will make sure it's brought to our attention.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on June 12, 2013, 12:47:42 AM
Curls, I was referring to this Front event that happened yesterday, and I guess I would categorize it as predicting or being somewhat in control of what is being said in this court. Maybe someone else might not be that confident about it. Sorry if I was unclear.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,22447.msg442674.html#msg442674

Sweetsunset, I found them here:
http://www.infowars.com/chewbacca-vs-tsa-star-wars-actor-detained-for-lightsaber-cane/
http://www.examiner.com/play-video/video-portal/chewbacca-busted?cid=PROG-RR-3-Video-Chewbacca-061013-6.45AM

Also in my previous post, I highlighted "representative" because it clearly hints at Murray standing for MJ hoax-wise, just as we've talked of countless times.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on June 12, 2013, 02:13:47 AM
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Curls, I was referring to this Front event that happened yesterday, and I guess I would categorize it as predicting or being somewhat in control of what is being said in this court. Maybe someone else might not be that confident about it. Sorry if I was unclear.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,22447.msg442674.html#msg442674

That 'someone else' (my bolding) would include me! But thanks for clearing it up, MJonmind.

With regards to TMZ not reporting on the court, bec, it could be argued that the opposite of what you say is true? Couldn't all the stuff going on outside of court that everyone's paying attention to, be serving as a distraction from the real stuff that's happening in court. You know, everyone watching the left hand, not noticing what the right hand's doing?  IDK, that's why I brought the subject up, but historically TMZ has been thought of as reporting garbage, either trivial gossip or downright lies, so maybe a serious, 'real' court case is not their cup of tea. Again, IDK, just putting out random thoughts, but it could hint to this being a 'real' case, which I admit is not an idea I've given much credence to up to now (as it implies that AEG are 'bad guys', and I've not been convinced of that).
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on June 12, 2013, 02:26:14 AM
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Btw I think it's time to reopen Back & Front thread since Front is being very reliable lately, sorry Souza I didn't mean to bother  :icon_lol:

Agree, to the 'reopen' bit, though not necessarily the 'very reliable' bit! In the absence of a workable Hoaxbook, he's had to resort to evil Twitter world!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on June 12, 2013, 09:53:32 AM
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Btw I think it's time to reopen Back & Front thread since Front is being very reliable lately, sorry Souza I didn't mean to bother  :icon_lol:

Agree, to the 'reopen' bit, though not necessarily the 'very reliable' bit! In the absence of a workable Hoaxbook, he's had to resort to evil Twitter world!

I don't do Twitter so I cannot weigh in on "very reliable" but I'll say if someone wants to back up that statement ("Front is being very reliable lately") with some examples of said alleged reliability, perhaps the thread could be reopened.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on June 12, 2013, 02:47:08 PM
I wanted to highlight these two tweets from Anthony McCartney from yesterday's proceedings:

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 20h
“Michael brought him back in,” Phillips said of Branca, just before the singer’s death. Katherine Jackson shook her head.
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 Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 20h
Phillips recounted their history, that Branca had represented Jackson for part of his career, but the pair had a falling out.


Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on June 12, 2013, 03:10:51 PM
This is frontback777's latest tweet:

Front ‏@frontback777 57m
he illin' killin' knockin 'em back
porky pineapple made a pact
injected with no talk no lies no truth 
screams are silenced by the noose


Everyone that we think are in the hoax so far are sometimes lying and sometimes telling the truth but NOT silenced.  So who is he referring to here????  Oh, I think I've answered my own question!!!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on June 12, 2013, 05:37:48 PM
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Curls, I was referring to this Front event that happened yesterday, and I guess I would categorize it as predicting or being somewhat in control of what is being said in this court. Maybe someone else might not be that confident about it. Sorry if I was unclear.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,22447.msg442674.html#msg442674

Sweetsunset, I found them here:
http://www.infowars.com/chewbacca-vs-tsa-star-wars-actor-detained-for-lightsaber-cane/
http://www.examiner.com/play-video/video-portal/chewbacca-busted?cid=PROG-RR-3-Video-Chewbacca-061013-6.45AM

Also in my previous post, I highlighted "representative" because it clearly hints at Murray standing for MJ hoax-wise, just as we've talked of countless times.

RK + MJonmind thanks for sharing, Front retweeted this some minutes ago, btw:

Star Wars ‏@starwars 3 Jun
The newest @LEGO_Group Star Wars set is a super-detailed, 1,990 piece Ewok village. http://bit.ly/11eaKrB
 Retweeted by Front
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on June 12, 2013, 05:38:52 PM
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So TMZ is in full flow posting numerous Jackson articles but still no word from them about what's been going on in court.  There has to be a reason for this. Why are they so obviously avoiding it?

In my opinion it's because it doesn't matter. It's not televised so it can't be that important. Everything that is important is made available to us, for free, and has been since day One of the hoax. Ambulance at Carrolwood, helicopter to coroner, the Memorial and it's program, the Burial and it's program, TII, Michael album, the videos off Michael album, Cirque soundtrack, Bad25 album, Murray trial, etc (lots more), all free online-- if you wanted to stay abreast of hoax news, you could, for free, from anywhere in the world that has internet access. If you wish to play the ARG, you can, no encumbrances other then free time. Money and location provides no advantage in the game. Everyone is, and always has been, on equal ground.

So if patterns repeat, which they tend to even in nature, this trial really isn't very important. If anything transpires that we need to know about, he will make sure it's brought to our attention.

Favorited.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on June 12, 2013, 05:49:59 PM
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So TMZ is in full flow posting numerous Jackson articles but still no word from them about what's been going on in court.  There has to be a reason for this. Why are they so obviously avoiding it?

Since day 1 of the trial, "they" (AEG, Sony) have tried to divert attention AWAY from the trial, since "their" dirty laundry is being aired in this trial, they want less fans and the public to follow it.   An example of the diversion is the Wade Robson allegations, another is the more recent allegations coming from Liberace's boyfriend.

If you follow the trial via ABC7 Court News tweets and Anthony McCartney tweets, you'll understand better what I mean.

Agree  Faithad777 and if TMZ does not speak of the trial there is a reason.....  :icon_rolleyes:


I think TMZ is deliberately avoiding the wrongful death trial, at Michael's request.

TMZ was first to report Michael's "death" which in itself was a "wrongful death" since the death didn't occur.   They reported a hoaxed death as real.  So now maybe they've "hoaxed" their wrongful death coverage, by saying they would be reporting it - I remember TMZ saying something how they would be at opening statements and then....nothing.  TMZ is now instead reporting on the 'side shows', the 'distractions' - going full tabloid on us - and we get the high-lights of the trial from the above mentioned twitter accounts.


You're absolutely right Andrea...always remember that behind  all there is Michael   :moonwalk_:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on June 12, 2013, 06:03:33 PM
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Btw I think it's time to reopen Back & Front thread since Front is being very reliable lately, sorry Souza I didn't mean to bother  :icon_lol:

Agree, to the 'reopen' bit, though not necessarily the 'very reliable' bit! In the absence of a workable Hoaxbook, he's had to resort to evil Twitter world!

I don't do Twitter so I cannot weigh in on "very reliable" but I'll say if someone wants to back up that statement ("Front is being very reliable lately") with some examples of said alleged reliability, perhaps the thread could be reopened.

You can read it without having to open a twitter account: https://twitter.com/frontback777  , just take a look,  from time to time Front tweets very accurate info regarding AEG trial.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on June 12, 2013, 06:06:40 PM
AEG Live CEO describes Michael Jackson as forceful businessman, not ‘drug-addled 5-year-old’

LOS ANGELES — The head of AEG Live LLC told jurors Wednesday that he knew Michael Jackson as a sophisticated, forceful businessman and not the drugged-up performer who’s been described throughout an ongoing civil trial filed over the singer’s untimely death.

Jackson was a far more complex figure than has been portrayed during the trial of a case filed by the singer’s mother against AEG Live over her son’s death, said Randy Philips, the company’s president and CEO.

Phillips said based on meetings he had with Jackson in 2008 and early 2009, he found Jackson to be a “sophisticated man who had control of his life.”

The portrait of Jackson that’s been presented to the jury during the seven-week trial has been inaccurate, Phillips said. Jackson was described by both sides in opening statements as struggling with prescription drug addiction throughout his life.

Phillips said he disagreed with the descriptions of Jackson “because he’s been presented as drug-addled 5-year-old. That was not the man I dealt with. The man I dealt with was forceful. Kind, but determined. He was a force.”

Jurors have been presented with conflicting accounts of Jackson, even from Philips. They will have to weigh the different portrayals when they decide who is liable for the singer’s June 2009 death.

Katherine Jackson’s lawyers contend AEG failed to properly investigate the doctor convicted of causing her son’s death, pushing her son too hard to perform and missed warning signs of his health. AEG, however, contends Michael Jackson hid his addiction to the powerful anesthetic propofol and that the company could not have foreseen that the singer’s doctor was giving him the drug as a sleep aid.

Millions and possibly billions of dollars are at stake in the negligent hiring trial.

Phillips said he didn’t see signs that Jackson was struggling with prescription drugs when he met with the entertainer to discuss options for his “This Is It” comeback concerts scheduled for London’s O2 Arena in 2009. Phillips has also told jurors that Michael Jackson never told him he was having trouble sleeping.

The executive has described the superstar as difficult to work with, often changing managers and ideas about what he wanted creatively.

In testimony later on Wednesday, he described having to coax Jackson to a London press conference in March 2009 to announce his concerts. The singer was a couple of hours late, appeared hung over and was concerned no one would want to see him perform.

“He is an emotionally paralyzed mess riddled with self-loathing and doubt now that it is show time,” Phillips wrote his boss that day. He testified that he just wanted to get through the event and forget it ever happened.

The six-man, six-woman jury has been shown numerous emails throughout the trial in which high-level tour workers expressed concerns about the singer’s health, his weight, and whether he was ready for the shows. Many of the concerns were voiced by tour director Kenny Ortega, who Phillips at one point told not to attempt to serve as an amateur doctor or psychiatrist.

Phillips acknowledged earlier this week that statements he wrote to Ortega about Michael Jackson’s physician, Conrad Murray, were untrue. Among those statements were Phillips’ assertions that AEG Live had checked out Murray, and that the deeply indebted physician didn’t need the job.

Murray was convicted in 2011 of involuntary manslaughter for giving Michael Jackson a lethal dose of propofol. Murray is not a defendant in the civil case, although AEG Live lawyers said early they intend to call the former cardiologist as a witness.

Anthony McCartney can be reached at http://twitter.com/mccartneyAP

Copyright 2013 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/music/aeg-live-ceo-describes-michael-jackson-as-forceful-businessman-not-drug-addled-5-year-old/2013/06/12/eeaaa61c-d38c-11e2-b3a2-3bf5eb37b9d0_story.html
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on June 12, 2013, 06:14:55 PM
Michael Jackson’s brothers prep for gig with AEG Live as wrongful death suit continues

(http://www.legendarymichaeljackson.nl/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/20130612-Jacksons.jpg)

Jermaine, Tito, Jackie and Marlon Jackson are slated to perform at the AEG-owned Staples Center June 30 — less than a week after Michael’s June 25, 2009, death anniversary — as part of a festival produced and promoted by AEG Live, the company’s CEO Randy Phillips testified Tuesday. As Michael’s mother stands against her son’s “This Is It” concert promoter in court, his brothers are prepping for a gig with the same company.

“For at least the third time since Michael Jackson’s death and the filing of Katherine Jackson’s lawsuit against AEG Live, Michael Jackson’s brothers, the Jacksons, have chosen to work yet again with AEG Live,” Marvin Putnam, the main lawyer representing AEG against the mom, said in a statement Tuesday.

“Most recently, they agreed to perform as part of the BET Experience scheduled to take place at LA Live later this month,” Putnam continued. “In fact, just this past week the Jacksons specifically requested that AEG Live provide them with a VIP suite during the BET Experience.”

Putnam added that AEG Live has worked to put on concerts with Janet Jackson four times since her brother’s death and the filing her mother’s lawsuit.
One of Katherine Jackson’s lawyers said the brothers are simply dealing with a market reality: AEG has a stranglehold on key venues in the music touring industry.

http://www.legendarymichaeljackson.nl/news/michael-jacksons-brothers-prep-for-gig-with-aeg-live-as-wrongful-death-suit-continues/?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on June 12, 2013, 06:26:12 PM
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 1h
Putnam asked Phillips about his meetings at Jackson’s rented mansion on Carrolwood Drive.


Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 1h
Phillips said he was never allowed upstairs into Jackson’s bedroom. He only left the first floor once, he said.


Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 1h
He said he went to an underground room and watched a screening of a film Jackson was working on.



Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 1h
Putnam again asked Phillips whether Jackson showed any signs of being under the influence of prescription drugs. The executive said no.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on June 12, 2013, 08:08:57 PM
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Btw I think it's time to reopen Back & Front thread since Front is being very reliable lately, sorry Souza I didn't mean to bother  :icon_lol:

Agree, to the 'reopen' bit, though not necessarily the 'very reliable' bit! In the absence of a workable Hoaxbook, he's had to resort to evil Twitter world!

I don't do Twitter so I cannot weigh in on "very reliable" but I'll say if someone wants to back up that statement ("Front is being very reliable lately") with some examples of said alleged reliability, perhaps the thread could be reopened.

You can read it without having to open a twitter account: https://twitter.com/frontback777  , just take a look,  from time to time Front tweets very accurate info regarding AEG trial.

Yes I know, but thank you sweets. I was just answering the request to reopen the thread by saying if someone wanted to make a case that it deserves a place on an investigative forum again then the thought could be entertained.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on June 12, 2013, 09:11:25 PM
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Michael Jackson's brothers prep for gig with AEG Live as wrongful death suit continues Jermaine, Tito, Jackie and Marlon Jackson are slated to perform at the AEG-owned Staples Center June 30

Something contradictory

 :judge-smiley:  :icon_geek:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on June 13, 2013, 06:53:40 AM
why not just open a new thread for the front twitter acct.?  :-[
don't know it there is a category or not. could make a new one i guess. :icon_neutral:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on June 13, 2013, 06:58:48 AM
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AEG Live CEO describes Michael Jackson as forceful businessman, not ‘drug-addled 5-year-old’

LOS ANGELES — The head of AEG Live LLC told jurors Wednesday that he knew Michael Jackson as a sophisticated, forceful businessman and not the drugged-up performer who’s been described throughout an ongoing civil trial filed over the singer’s untimely death.

Jackson was a far more complex figure than has been portrayed during the trial of a case filed by the singer’s mother against AEG Live over her son’s death, said Randy Philips, the company’s president and CEO.

Phillips said based on meetings he had with Jackson in 2008 and early 2009, he found Jackson to be a “sophisticated man who had control of his life.”

The portrait of Jackson that’s been presented to the jury during the seven-week trial has been inaccurate, Phillips said. Jackson was described by both sides in opening statements as struggling with prescription drug addiction throughout his life.

Phillips said he disagreed with the descriptions of Jackson “because he’s been presented as drug-addled 5-year-old. That was not the man I dealt with. The man I dealt with was forceful. Kind, but determined. He was a force.”

Jurors have been presented with conflicting accounts of Jackson, even from Philips. They will have to weigh the different portrayals when they decide who is liable for the singer’s June 2009 death.

Katherine Jackson’s lawyers contend AEG failed to properly investigate the doctor convicted of causing her son’s death, pushing her son too hard to perform and missed warning signs of his health. AEG, however, contends Michael Jackson hid his addiction to the powerful anesthetic propofol and that the company could not have foreseen that the singer’s doctor was giving him the drug as a sleep aid.

Millions and possibly billions of dollars are at stake in the negligent hiring trial.

Phillips said he didn’t see signs that Jackson was struggling with prescription drugs when he met with the entertainer to discuss options for his “This Is It” comeback concerts scheduled for London’s O2 Arena in 2009. Phillips has also told jurors that Michael Jackson never told him he was having trouble sleeping.

The executive has described the superstar as difficult to work with, often changing managers and ideas about what he wanted creatively.

In testimony later on Wednesday, he described having to coax Jackson to a London press conference in March 2009 to announce his concerts. The singer was a couple of hours late, appeared hung over and was concerned no one would want to see him perform.

“He is an emotionally paralyzed mess riddled with self-loathing and doubt now that it is show time,” Phillips wrote his boss that day. He testified that he just wanted to get through the event and forget it ever happened.

The six-man, six-woman jury has been shown numerous emails throughout the trial in which high-level tour workers expressed concerns about the singer’s health, his weight, and whether he was ready for the shows. Many of the concerns were voiced by tour director Kenny Ortega, who Phillips at one point told not to attempt to serve as an amateur doctor or psychiatrist.

Phillips acknowledged earlier this week that statements he wrote to Ortega about Michael Jackson’s physician, Conrad Murray, were untrue. Among those statements were Phillips’ assertions that AEG Live had checked out Murray, and that the deeply indebted physician didn’t need the job.

Murray was convicted in 2011 of involuntary manslaughter for giving Michael Jackson a lethal dose of propofol. Murray is not a defendant in the civil case, although AEG Live lawyers said early they intend to call the former cardiologist as a witness.

Anthony McCartney can be reached at http://twitter.com/mccartneyAP

Copyright 2013 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/music/aeg-live-ceo-describes-michael-jackson-as-forceful-businessman-not-drug-addled-5-year-old/2013/06/12/eeaaa61c-d38c-11e2-b3a2-3bf5eb37b9d0_story.html
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on June 13, 2013, 07:04:33 AM
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Michael Jackson’s brothers prep for gig with AEG Live as wrongful death suit continues

(http://www.legendarymichaeljackson.nl/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/20130612-Jacksons.jpg)

Jermaine, Tito, Jackie and Marlon Jackson are slated to perform at the AEG-owned Staples Center June 30 — less than a week after Michael’s June 25, 2009, death anniversary — as part of a festival produced and promoted by AEG Live, the company’s CEO Randy Phillips testified Tuesday. As Michael’s mother stands against her son’s “This Is It” concert promoter in court, his brothers are prepping for a gig with the same company.

“For at least the third time since Michael Jackson’s death and the filing of Katherine Jackson’s lawsuit against AEG Live, Michael Jackson’s brothers, the Jacksons, have chosen to work yet again with AEG Live,” Marvin Putnam, the main lawyer representing AEG against the mom, said in a statement Tuesday.

“Most recently, they agreed to perform as part of the BET Experience scheduled to take place at LA Live later this month,” Putnam continued. “In fact, just this past week the Jacksons specifically requested that AEG Live provide them with a VIP suite during the BET Experience.”

Putnam added that AEG Live has worked to put on concerts with Janet Jackson four times since her brother’s death and the filing her mother’s lawsuit.
One of Katherine Jackson’s lawyers said the brothers are simply dealing with a market reality: AEG has a stranglehold on key venues in the music touring industry.

http://www.legendarymichaeljackson.nl/news/michael-jacksons-brothers-prep-for-gig-with-aeg-live-as-wrongful-death-suit-continues/?
what , if someone can tell work were these fellas doin prior to june 2009 ?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Adi on June 13, 2013, 09:21:41 AM
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why not just open a new thread for the front twitter acct.?  :-[
don't know it there is a category or not. could make a new one i guess. :icon_neutral:

Well there certainly is a Twitter category titled: "Twitter - Not verified but (probably) real"  http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/board,136.0.html   and there seems to be quite a few un-verified accounts discussed in that category.

Perhaps we can discuss @Frontback777 twitter account there......unless it gets locked in the meantime of course.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on June 13, 2013, 10:01:32 AM
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why not just open a new thread for the front twitter acct.?  :-[
don't know it there is a category or not. could make a new one i guess. :icon_neutral:

Well there certainly is a Twitter category titled: "Twitter - Not verified but (probably) real"  http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/board,136.0.html   and there seems to be quite a few un-verified accounts discussed in that category.

Perhaps we can discuss @Frontback777 twitter account there......unless it gets locked in the meantime of course.

I suppose there's no reason why someone can't start a thread if they want.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on June 13, 2013, 11:51:34 AM
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why not just open a new thread for the front twitter acct.?  :-[
don't know it there is a category or not. could make a new one i guess. :icon_neutral:

Well there certainly is a Twitter category titled: "Twitter - Not verified but (probably) real"  http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/board,136.0.html   and there seems to be quite a few un-verified accounts discussed in that category.

Perhaps we can discuss @Frontback777 twitter account there......unless it gets locked in the meantime of course.

That twitter account can't be verified since the person that runs that twitter.... you know what I mean  :icon_geek:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on June 15, 2013, 06:26:30 PM
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Cont'd: AEG has threatened in open Court to bring out "ugly stuff" about Michael. It is unfortunate that AEG cannot act civilly




https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on June 15, 2013, 06:36:49 PM
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Phillips explained when he received email from Kathy Jorrie questioning Dr. Tohme he forwarded it to Peter Lopez, MJ's attorney at the time.



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Phillips said John Branca had been hired by MJ on June 18th, two days prior to the 20th meeting


Branca and López were working for Michael
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on June 16, 2013, 10:18:58 AM
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Michael Jackson’s brothers prep for gig with AEG Live as wrongful death suit continues

(http://www.legendarymichaeljackson.nl/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/20130612-Jacksons.jpg)

Jermaine, Tito, Jackie and Marlon Jackson are slated to perform at the AEG-owned Staples Center June 30 — less than a week after Michael’s June 25, 2009, death anniversary — as part of a festival produced and promoted by AEG Live, the company’s CEO Randy Phillips testified Tuesday. As Michael’s mother stands against her son’s “This Is It” concert promoter in court, his brothers are prepping for a gig with the same company.

“For at least the third time since Michael Jackson’s death and the filing of Katherine Jackson’s lawsuit against AEG Live, Michael Jackson’s brothers, the Jacksons, have chosen to work yet again with AEG Live,” Marvin Putnam, the main lawyer representing AEG against the mom, said in a statement Tuesday.

“Most recently, they agreed to perform as part of the BET Experience scheduled to take place at LA Live later this month,” Putnam continued. “In fact, just this past week the Jacksons specifically requested that AEG Live provide them with a VIP suite during the BET Experience.”

Putnam added that AEG Live has worked to put on concerts with Janet Jackson four times since her brother’s death and the filing her mother’s lawsuit.
One of Katherine Jackson’s lawyers said the brothers are simply dealing with a market reality: AEG has a stranglehold on key venues in the music touring in
dustry.

http://www.legendarymichaeljackson.nl/news/michael-jacksons-brothers-prep-for-gig-with-aeg-live-as-wrongful-death-suit-continues/?
what , if someone can tell work were these fellas doin prior to june 2009 ?

wonder if it can be determined if this statement is true or false?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on June 16, 2013, 10:27:03 AM
Paula-c, one of the tweets from Anthony Mccartney (right after Phillips made that statement about Michael hiring Branca) made a point to mention that Katherine shook her head the same time Randy said that.  I posted a reply about this somewhere back, I believe it may have been in this thread.  I myself do not believe Randy Phillips, he has been proven to contradict himself during this trial and the statements he made while being interviewed back in 2009.  He has changed his statements several times, and I believe his statements are based on covering up his and AEG's behind from any wrongdoing.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on June 16, 2013, 06:03:32 PM
Fire marshal cuts public, media seats for Jackson trial

http://www.legendarymichaeljackson.nl/news/fire-marshal-cuts-public-media-seats-for-jackson-trial/?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on June 16, 2013, 09:18:11 PM
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Fire marshal cuts public, media seats for Jackson trial

http://www.legendarymichaeljackson.nl/news/fire-marshal-cuts-public-media-seats-for-jackson-trial/?


I wonder if abc7courts and Anthony McCartney have guaranteed seats...
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on June 17, 2013, 12:15:37 AM
This is what Anthony said about it:

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 14 Jun

.@Dmrjian Unfortunately, with the new media seating guidelines, I won't be in every day. AP is on M,W, F list.

Haven't heard anything from abc7courts.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on June 17, 2013, 02:45:50 AM
This just seems too out-of-the-blue random to be anything other than further hoax restriction of the rules of the game. The master entertainer knows how to create frenzy and desperate desire to see/hear more. Would there not have already been strict building codes for the correct number of people allowed in a particular room. Even churches have that.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on June 17, 2013, 07:42:53 AM
MJonmind:
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... The master entertainer knows how to create frenzy and desperate desire to see/hear more. ...


Like Twitter Front posting that pic! :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on June 17, 2013, 08:45:31 PM
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Paula-c, one of the tweets from Anthony Mccartney (right after Phillips made that statement about Michael hiring Branca) made a point to mention that Katherine shook her head the same time Randy said that.  I posted a reply about this somewhere back, I believe it may have been in this thread.  I myself do not believe Randy Phillips, he has been proven to contradict himself during this trial and the statements he made while being interviewed back in 2009.  He has changed his statements several times, and I believe his statements are based on covering up his and AEG's behind from any wrongdoing.



Faithad777 thanks i dont read what he said of Katherine
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on June 18, 2013, 08:47:27 AM
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8h
Witness for tomorrow: Kai Chase, MJ's personal chef, and maybe Dr. Finkelstein after Chase via video deposition


Let's see what Kai Chase has to say if she has something to say  :icon_e_confused:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Thriller4ever on June 18, 2013, 10:32:43 AM
I hope she doesn't say she went on to cook when Murray called for Prince in the emergency. :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on June 18, 2013, 10:59:39 AM
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I hope she doesn't say she went on to cook when Murray called for Prince in the emergency. :icon_lol:



Well, we're going to see if she does not contradict itself in what was his first statement in the trial of Murray :judge-smiley:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on June 18, 2013, 04:32:49 PM
Finfin posted this link on twitter: "What would Michael Jackson think?"  http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/06/17/tom-mesereau-michael-jackson-aeg-trial

A very clear view of Thomas Mesereau on the case, imo. Thank you Thomas.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on June 18, 2013, 05:37:09 PM
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I hope she doesn't say she went on to cook when Murray called for Prince in the emergency. :icon_lol:



Well, we're going to see if she does not contradict itself in what was his first statement in the trial of Murray :judge-smiley:


Waiting for... :icon_e_geek:  very interesting moment  :suspect:



Another article

LOS ANGELES (AP) — The promoter of Michael Jackson's ill-fated series of comeback shows created a conflict of interest with the singer's physician when it negotiated terms of his deal, an expert testifying for the superstar's mother told a jury Monday.
David Berman told jurors hearing a negligent hiring lawsuit against concert promoter AEG Live LLC that the company should not have negotiated with Jackson's physician without notifying the singer's representatives of the discussion.
The former head of Capitol Records and holder high-level positions at several other record companies is being paid to testify for Katherine Jackson in her lawsuit against AEG Live.
Asked whether it was appropriate for the concert company to attempt to hire a doctor on Jackson's behalf, Berman responded: "I believe that it's highly inappropriate. It is highly unusual."
A more appropriate relationship would have been for Jackson to hire cardiologist Conrad Murray without any involvement from AEG Live, Berman said. Based on draft contracts and emails between company executives, Berman said he believed AEG Live thought it controlled the physician.
Berman retired from the music industry in 2001 to become an expert witness for music industry-related lawsuits. He said he had never heard of a situation in which a tour promoter hired a doctor on behalf of an artist. He began working in the music business in 1969 as a transactional attorney before making the leap to record executive, working with acts such as The Eagles, Van Halen, The Beach Boys, The Doors and other big-name acts.
Berman said he believed that music companies owe a higher obligation to artists than to music buyers or concertgoers and, in this instance, AEG failed Jackson.
He was shown emails in which a tour accountant traded emails with Murray without including any of the singer's representatives.
To prepare for his testimony, Berman said he had reviewed numerous documents, including 26 depositions and testimony from AEG executives during the trial, which is now in its eighth week. He said he is being paid $500 an hour for his work on the case.
Murray, who was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in 2011, was never paid his $150,000 per month fee for working with Jackson. The superstar died from an overdose of the anesthetic propofol before signing Murray's contract.
AEG denies it hired Murray. The company's executives and lawyers have said the company was merely advancing Jackson the money to pay Murray, and a valid contract never existed. Its executives also have stated that it agreed to pay Murray's salary only because Jackson insisted on him coming on tour.
An AEG attorney showed Berman an statement signed by Jackson's former manager, Frank Dileo, stating that he was aware of negotiations with Murray, and that it was his understanding that AEG Live's CEO objected to bringing the physician on tour.
The company's lawyers have yet to question Berman but already have objected to his expertise. An AEG Live defense attorney has noted that Berman was never a tour producer or promoter — functions that AEG Live was serving as during preparations for Jackson's comeback shows.
Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos reminded jurors Monday that they will ultimately decide whether AEG Live hired Murray.
It will be several more weeks before the trial concludes. Plaintiff's attorney Brian Panish said Monday that he expects to finish his case the week of July 8.
___
Anthony McCartney can be reached at http://twitter.com/mccartneyAP .


http://news.yahoo.com/expert-promoter-created-conflict-jackson-doc-182442120.html
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on June 18, 2013, 06:02:11 PM
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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8h
Witness for tomorrow: Kai Chase, MJ's personal chef, and maybe Dr. Finkelstein after Chase via video deposition


Let's see what Kai Chase has to say if she has something to say  :icon_e_confused:

Pearljr ‏@Pearljr 3h
@courthouse Kai chase testifying she worked 4 MJ 2 months April & June fired 1st week May due 2 change of mgmt then worked 4 MJ June 09


Strange she worked on April & June, May 2009 was fired due to change of management and June she is very conveniently rehired I think for hoax purpose to organise everything inside the house the day in question.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on June 18, 2013, 08:11:02 PM
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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4h
Chase said she's personal chef for the past 17 years. She currently works for Katherine Jackson and MJ's children Prince, Paris and Blanket.


I did not know this
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on June 18, 2013, 08:23:39 PM
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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1min
Chase said that when they ate food from other parts of the world they would study a bit about the culture of the place they were eating.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1min
Chase said she did not eat the meals with MJ and kids because Michael liked the meal with his children to be private bonding time.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1min
Chase said the house was very warm, good feeling, loving. It was a beautiful place, good feeling, music playing, fireplace on, she described

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2min
MJ had lunch with his children privately, in beautifully set table. "His children meant the world to him," Chase testified.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2min
Chase: His children were the love of his life, his children meant everything to him.



This statement says a much
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on June 19, 2013, 01:17:51 AM
Paris Jackson's deposition  :icon_e_biggrin:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZOqS4ji8WE[/youtube]

If This Is Not an hoax than I don't know what it is lol :LolLolLolLol: !!!!!
OMG another Deposition,but this time from Paris Jackson in person  :icon_eek: .I really don't know what to say :icon_rolleyes: ,but it's very strange ,and you know why??  Because ,Paris talks about Grace at past tense lol,"she use to be".Well this is not true at all lol   :icon_e_biggrin: ,cause she still IS their nanny  .Here is the proof:


Katherine Jackson :Church In Woodland Hills 6/9
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(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7359/8999848601_c15ae6c70f_o.jpg)

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2845/8999849061_27c0c32de0_o.jpg)

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3698/9001034040_f2b41a8342_o.jpg)

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5332/8999892517_ee234b6c06_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MFFreedom on June 19, 2013, 02:01:26 AM
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Paris Jackson's deposition  :icon_e_biggrin:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZOqS4ji8WE[/youtube]

If This Is Not an hoax than I don't know what it is lol :LolLolLolLol: !!!!!
OMG another Deposition,but this time from Paris Jackson in person  :icon_eek: .I really don't know what to say :icon_rolleyes: ,but it's very strange ,and you know why??  Because ,Paris talks about Grace at past tense lol,"she use to be".Well this is not true at all lol   :icon_e_biggrin: ,cause she still IS their nanny  .Here is the proof:


Katherine Jackson :Church In Woodland Hills 6/9
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3674/8999848233_f4361d7557_o.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7359/8999848601_c15ae6c70f_o.jpg)

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2845/8999849061_27c0c32de0_o.jpg)

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3698/9001034040_f2b41a8342_o.jpg)

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5332/8999892517_ee234b6c06_o.jpg)

I dare to say that I would not trust my kid one split second with this woman Grace. She looks pretty demonic ... Paris? I doubt, she still lives with Miss Katherine, if she speaks of Grace in past tense, as Grace is flocking around Miss Katherine (to keep her on track). Like I said, I don't even believe anymore, that Miss Katherine was the one who filed the court case against AEG, but that she has to play the game FOR Sony, who filed the case in her name (using the whole Jackson family for their purpose). This case is about money and I have serious doubts Miss Katherine would even think about filing such a case.

About Kai Chase. She was hired then fired and then rehired? Yep, I can't shake this feeling off she was installed there as well. The new 'good' management fired her, 'cause they knew she was another sent little spy and wanted to protect MJ by firing her. That said 'good' management had to be removed again in order to rehire Kai to continue her job (whch is not cooking ... ) until he 'died'. Her stories about how MJ and kids were so wonderful together sound beautyful, but exaggerated, even dramatized. Highly alarming. Especially when considering her dissociated state of mind when continuing preparing lunch after Murray allegedly called for Prince. Ah, and now Kai is cooking in the Jacksons' home yet again? Grace back? Kai back? Do not trust them. They are installed.

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on June 19, 2013, 03:14:23 AM
Applehead, do you think Paris is lying in this deposition? Doing more 'improv' for her dad?

I'm sure there's hoax layers of truth here. I would think the world would know MJ wasn't married (Lisa & Debbie being huge stories) so why would they think Grace was MJ's wife and let her in MJ's bedroom. It just seems too corny to be true.

About Kai Chase, she seems to be deliberately making MJ look like a super good dad, but in the same breath make him out to be evil.
1) she thought she would for sure be fired by MJ for helping Paris find snails in the back yard, and was relieved he didn't.
2) she said there was an unwritten rule in the house that if you asked MJ about late payment of salary, you would be automatically fired.

And it's is interesting that she noted MJ looked great and eating healthy in April, then conveniently was fired in May, then in June returned to find MJ totally different almost unrecognizable--gaunt, weak, sickly, and not eating because the cupboard/fridge were bare except for some product placement lol! Good grief the kids had to eat something in a month!!  Could this person even have been a double stepping in to fool staff?

Product placement:
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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 6h
"Refrigerator was bare! There was Coca Cola, red bulls and Starbucks coffee drinks," Chase said.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 6h
Chase recalled that when she arrived at the house, the pantry was bare. One side there was Fiji water.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: marumjj on June 19, 2013, 05:40:45 AM
rare, Chase jobs in April and June, the bounce in May, says the fridge was empty, sometimes not received his wages ... and now works for Katherine and children? I remember a tweet from Chase:

"It's good to be back in the life of someone who has lost touch with three years ago, then you never, ever have contact again! # Love"   :suspect:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on June 19, 2013, 07:03:45 AM
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Applehead, do you think Paris is lying in this deposition? Doing more 'improv' for her dad?

I'm sure there's hoax layers of truth here. I would think the world would know MJ wasn't married (Lisa & Debbie being huge stories) so why would they think Grace was MJ's wife and let her in MJ's bedroom. It just seems too corny to be true.

About Kai Chase, she seems to be deliberately making MJ look like a super good dad, but in the same breath make him out to be evil.
1) she thought she would for sure be fired by MJ for helping Paris find snails in the back yard, and was relieved he didn't.
2) she said there was an unwritten rule in the house that if you asked MJ about late payment of salary, you would be automatically fired.

And it's is interesting that she noted MJ looked great and eating healthy in April, then conveniently was fired in May, then in June returned to find MJ totally different almost unrecognizable--gaunt, weak, sickly, and not eating because the cupboard/fridge were bare except for some product placement lol! Good grief the kids had to eat something in a month!!  Could this person even have been a double stepping in to fool staff?

Product placement:
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"Refrigerator was bare! There was Coca Cola, red bulls and Starbucks coffee drinks," Chase said.

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Chase recalled that when she arrived at the house, the pantry was bare. One side there was Fiji water.

MJonmind of couse it is and it's all part of the SHOW,like all Michael's "depositions".And you know why?? I'm the only one which realizes his question was not even related to the issue in the lawsuit  :icon_lol: .Hello !!!!! Think, think,think about it !!!! lol  :LolLolLolLol: .Michael is tricking us again and I bet he is on the floor ,and laughs like a fool  :icon_lol:  :icon_eek:.
And about that Gracie "pretty demonic" thing  :icon_lol:  ::) all I have to say is this real story ,that brings memories about Michael,the man topic  :-* .


Dr Willian Van Vallin (Dr Barney)'s book about his friendship with MJ circa 2000-2004, to show this was standard fare for MJ with people.

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In Michael’s room there was a couch with a King sized roll out bed in it. It was always in the rolled out position and it was always turned down like you were in a hotel. It faced the biggest TV I’d ever seen at that time. We would put in a movie, order from the kitchen whatever we were hungry for and watch movies until late at night. If Michael fell asleep while we were watching a movie, I would turn the volume down slowly, unplug it (because if I used the controller it bag a loud noise as it turned off) and quietly leave the room and go home. I remember I did this one night and was tiptoeing to the door when I heard Michael say, “See you tomorrow, Barney.” For whatever reason, it was very difficult for Michael to sleep. So, if he fell asleep I was always careful to let him stay that way. Sometimes he’d ask me to read something to him and I’d find a book and just read it out loud then slip away when it seemed he was asleep.
MICHAEL VISITS ME Sometimes I’d open my front door as I was leaving for work and Michael would be standing on the front step. He hadn’t knocked which I found interesting but typical. He’d just been waiting outside until someone came out. He’d say, “Hi Barney” in his quiet little voice, “Is it okay if I come in?”

“Of course,” I’d say, “But I have to go to work. I have patients waiting for me at the office. Come on in and make yourself at home. I’ll let Criss know that you’re here.” I would always ask him how long he’d been waiting, and he would always say, “Just a few minutes” or “I just got here.”

On this particular day as I left, I remember asking his chauffeur, Manuel Rivera, how long he had been there and looking at his watch he told me he had been sitting in the car for about thirty minutes. Michael went in, picked up a magazine off the coffee table and sat down alone in the living room in what would become his favorite spot. It was a rather simple, cream colored, velvet, tufted chair with black velvet piping and no arms. I went in and woke my wife and told her that Michael was out in the living room. She said, “Tell him I’ll be right out” which I did, told him goodbye, and left for work. Criss told me later that she went into the living room and said good morning to him and asked, “Are you hungry, Michael? Can I make you some breakfast? Maybe a bowl of cereal?” Michael said, “No thank you, Criss.” She said that he quickly changed his mind and as she passed his chair he looked up at her over his right shoulder and said with a smile, “Whaddya got?” Returning the smile she said, “Well I have Cornflakes, Raisin Bran, Alpha-Bits…” and got no further. He said, “I’ll have that.”

My wife called me at noon to say that Michael was still there. The kids had awakened to find him in the living room and she had decided to let them stay home from school to play and keep him company. She said they were all watching cartoons and eating pizza. Michael had sent Manuel out to get lunch and snacks. When I got home, at about six o’clock, his rather nondescript blue van was still parked outside the fence. Manuel was in the front seat reading a book, patiently waiting for Michael’s next instructions.

Inside the house, Michael and my daughter Bianca were sitting on the floor playing Monopoly. The couch cushions were scattered all around the room. Pizza boxes were here and there and a few empty bottles of Martinelli’s apple juice were on the coffee table. Along with these were remnants of other board games that had been half played and abandoned for other games that must have seemed more interesting at the time. Cartoons were still playing on the TV. When I entered the living room, Michael looked up with a smile and said, “Hi Barney. How was your day?”

I told him “Good thanks. How was yours?”

He replied, “The best!”

On one of his countless visits to the house I remember he asked me, “Barney, what do I have to do to get my children to grow up to be like yours?” I told him not to worry he was doing just fine. In fact, I told him he was doing an even better job than I was judging by how well behaved Prince and Paris were (Blanket had not yet come along). I told him “Your children are incredibly well mannered. They always say please, thank you, and I’m sorry when appropriate. I think they’re a good example for mine.”

If Michael came to the house he would often bring Prince and Paris and sometimes Gracie (their nanny) would come along to help out. She was very much a mother to Prince and Paris and was nearly always with them when I went to the Ranch. She was very good at caring for them and was as attentive to their needs as any mother would have been.

When I asked Michael why he would abandon his ranch for our small house in Ballard, on any given visit, he always gave basically the same reason: “I have company up at the ranch and I’m not really up to spending time with them. I know they’ll be well cared for by my staff and they’re free to use the ranch as they would their own home. I just like spending time here.”

Michael seemed curious about how other people lived and though it wasn’t something he ever asked, I think he wondered if we did things differently than he did. I say this because of certain questions he would ask. More specifically, when he would use the bathroom off of the living room I could hear him going through all the drawers and cupboards in there. Curious, I’m sure, to see what we had in our drawers compared to what he had. He would also come out smelling like one of the colognes he found in one of the drawers. Michael would say, “You should never go around being stinky.”  :icon_lol: And of course, he never did.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on June 19, 2013, 01:26:47 PM
Oh Applehead, another delightful story about MJ. I simply NEVER tire of reading these.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Do on June 19, 2013, 03:19:53 PM
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I dare to say that I would not trust my kid one split second with this woman Grace. She looks pretty demonic ... Paris? I doubt, she still lives with Miss Katherine, if she speaks of Grace in past tense, as Grace is flocking around Miss Katherine (to keep her on track). Like I said, I don't even believe anymore, that Miss Katherine was the one who filed the court case against AEG, but that she has to play the game FOR Sony, who filed the case in her name (using the whole Jackson family for their purpose). This case is about money and I have serious doubts Miss Katherine would even think about filing such a case.

About Kai Chase. She was hired then fired and then rehired? Yep, I can't shake this feeling off she was installed there as well. The new 'good' management fired her, 'cause they knew she was another sent little spy and wanted to protect MJ by firing her. That said 'good' management had to be removed again in order to rehire Kai to continue her job (whch is not cooking ... ) until he 'died'. Her stories about how MJ and kids were so wonderful together sound beautyful, but exaggerated, even dramatized. Highly alarming. Especially when considering her dissociated state of mind when continuing preparing lunch after Murray allegedly called for Prince. Ah, and now Kai is cooking in the Jacksons' home yet again? Grace back? Kai back? Do not trust them. They are installed.

I have the same feeling sometimes. And what about Dileo (yes he is dead, but was rehired and not by Michael), Branca and Thome (don't know ifhe is still involved in some way?). All being installed/back after being fired by Michael.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on June 19, 2013, 03:50:29 PM
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Oh Applehead, another delightful story about MJ. I simply NEVER tire of reading these.


Agree  (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Amour/3d-Amoureux2.gif)

Greatest Michael !!!

Thanks Apple !!!  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on June 19, 2013, 03:54:06 PM
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I dare to say that I would not trust my kid one split second with this woman Grace. She looks pretty demonic ... Paris? I doubt, she still lives with Miss Katherine, if she speaks of Grace in past tense, as Grace is flocking around Miss Katherine (to keep her on track). Like I said, I don't even believe anymore, that Miss Katherine was the one who filed the court case against AEG, but that she has to play the game FOR Sony, who filed the case in her name (using the whole Jackson family for their purpose). This case is about money and I have serious doubts Miss Katherine would even think about filing such a case.

About Kai Chase. She was hired then fired and then rehired? Yep, I can't shake this feeling off she was installed there as well. The new 'good' management fired her, 'cause they knew she was another sent little spy and wanted to protect MJ by firing her. That said 'good' management had to be removed again in order to rehire Kai to continue her job (whch is not cooking ... ) until he 'died'. Her stories about how MJ and kids were so wonderful together sound beautyful, but exaggerated, even dramatized. Highly alarming. Especially when considering her dissociated state of mind when continuing preparing lunch after Murray allegedly
called for Prince. Ah, and now Kai is cooking in the Jacksons' home yet again? Grace back? Kai back? Do not trust them. They are installed.

I have the same feeling sometimes. And what about Dileo (yes he is dead, but was rehired and not by Michael), Branca and Thome (don't know ifhe is still involved in some way?). All being installed/back after being fired by Michael.


May be what Katherine is being told is that "we are the ones who are paying for this house you're living in and everything else that you need (even though it's Michael's money), so you have to do what we ask you".   It has become so convoluted and so confusing, can't really tell who is telling the truth and who is lying anymore.  From reading between the lines and hearing witnesses answer questions in the trial, it is all pointing to the fact that Michael had no other way out but to "pretend to die".  "They" were controlling him,  his life and his family's in every way imaginable, to the point of bringing harm to him, his health and his children.
What he did was only to save his and his children's life......... This was a matter of life and death as they say in the movies............
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on June 19, 2013, 04:19:36 PM
Found this blog article, one of many opinions in the media about Grace, hard to believe/think what's the truth.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mallika-chopra/bloodsuckers-and-the-worl_b_222023.html

Obviously, there are lots of controversies. Too many to take everything for granted.

It could be that Paris' revealing stories about Grace in the deposition during this trial are a result of Grace's betrayal with her statements (lies) to the tabloids about pumping Michael's stomach in order to confirm Michael's reputation of a drug addict and that she was ordered/paid by AEG to tell those lies.
OR there's truth in the above article about Grace being taken advantage of by vultures and during this hoax these vultures are being investigated, trapped and catched.
Things need to get ugly first in order to get the truth to the surface.

Truth will prevail.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on June 20, 2013, 01:40:10 AM
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Oh Applehead, another delightful story about MJ. I simply NEVER tire of reading these.


Agree  (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Amour/3d-Amoureux2.gif)

Greatest Michael !!!

Thanks Apple !!!  :icon_razz:

Sorry, but I don't call rifling through someone's drawers 'delightful'. JMO
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on June 20, 2013, 06:01:03 PM
@ everlastinglove_MJ  Truth will prevail.

Is the intent of Michael  :icon_razz: :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on June 20, 2013, 08:29:52 PM
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 23h
Bina talked about the day MJ died. Chase said she got Prince because  it was such a serious matter.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 23h
Chase said she didn't think was going to make sense to stop what she was doing to out the house and look for security.


ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 23h
After getting Prince, Chase returned to work. At some point, Chase and the housekeepers were told to leave the house.


ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 23h
"We were asked to leave, the paramedics was still there," Chase said.


ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 23h
Chase asked Alberto Alvarez, MJ's security guard, if MJ was ok? She said he told her he would be fine.


ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 23h
Alvarez asked Chase if she ever signed a confidentiality agreement. She said she had not, but Chase believes the housekeepers had.


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Alvarez asked Chase to sign something on the spot. "He asked me to sign some sort of a paragraph not on letterhead," Chase explained.


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Bina: Did it require you to keep things confidential?
Chase: It never said that


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Chase signed it but said she can't remember what it said. She then left the house. That was the last time she was at the Carolwood house.



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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Love4Michael on June 21, 2013, 05:11:00 PM

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Paris Jackson's deposition  :icon_e_biggrin:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZOqS4ji8WE[/youtube]

If This Is Not an hoax than I don't know what it is lol :LolLolLolLol: !!!!!
OMG another Deposition,but this time from Paris Jackson in person  :icon_eek: .I really don't know what to say :icon_rolleyes: ,but it's very strange ,and you know why??  Because ,Paris talks about Grace at past tense lol,"she use to be".Well this is not true at all lol   :icon_e_biggrin: ,cause she still IS their nanny  .Here is the proof:


Katherine Jackson :Church In Woodland Hills 6/9
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I'm not sure how you make the leap to her still being "Nanny" by a few pics (taken within seconds) of her and Katherine being in the same place at the same time.  She's not with the children...not even at their home...just with Katherine and I have to say that neither looks particularly thrilled.  In fact, Grace looks almost annoyed or exasperated.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on June 21, 2013, 05:35:56 PM
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 23h
Chase signed it but said she can't remember what it said. She then left the house. That was the last time she was at the Carolwood house.


 ??? :suspect:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on June 21, 2013, 08:33:52 PM
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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 23h
Chase signed it but said she can't remember what it said. She then left the house. That was the last time she was at the Carolwood house.


 ??? :suspect:




Nobody saw anything that day, with the exception of the bodyguards
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on June 22, 2013, 04:57:16 AM
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@ everlastinglove_MJ  Truth will prevail.

Is the intent of Michael  :icon_razz: :icon_e_wink:
Absolutely  :icon_e_biggrin:    :bearhug:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on June 22, 2013, 08:21:35 PM
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@ everlastinglove_MJ  Truth will prevail.

Is the intent of Michael  :icon_razz: :icon_e_wink:
Absolutely  :icon_e_biggrin:    :bearhug:


 :bearhug:  :beerchug:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on June 23, 2013, 09:57:15 AM
AEG Trial Portrays Michael as a Father  :icon_e_biggrin:  :icon_cool: .

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— Courtrooms have supplied the epilogue to Michael Jackson's life. They've provided the forum where his debts have been settled, his final days dissected and his life depicted as a cautionary tale.
In nearly four years of court proceedings, two juries have watched Jackson come to life on video screens. They've watched him spin, dance, and then disappear. They've heard his voice, seen his handwriting and viewed photos of his lifeless body.
His role as a father has been described in little more than platitudes. Until now.
The jury hearing a civil case filed by the superstar's mother — against AEG Live LLC, the promoter of Jackson's ill-fated concerts — are experiencing details of a world previously held under lock and key. They've heard of extravagant birthday parties, secret family outings and the leg-clinging devotion of his children.
Jackson shielded the youngsters from the public eye, home-schooling them and often hiding their faces in public.
Away from the cameras, Jackson tried to create an environment of love, attention and special moments for his children, Michael Joseph "Prince" Jackson Jr., Paris-Michael Katherine Jackson and Prince Michael "Blanket" Jackson.
The following are some of some of the stories they've told. They present a portrait of Jackson as a father that outsiders never saw.
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The final month of Jackson's life was a busy time. There were rehearsals for "This Is It," planning meetings and film shoots for a series of mini-movies that would precede some of his greatest hits at the London shows.
Jackson brought his children to the shoot for a "Smooth Criminal" video that culminated with Jackson leaping through a window while being shot at by Humphrey Bogart.
Alif Sankey, a backup dancer on the original video who was working on the comeback concerts, sat next to Paris during the shoot. The 11-year-old wanted to share a secret and opened up her purse.
It was filled with candy  :LolLolLolLol:, Sankey recalled.

Jackson didn't want his children to eat sweets, and Paris asked Sankey to keep it quiet.
The dancer noticed something else inside the purse — tiny picture frames with images of her father.
"Her purse was full of candy and pictures of Daddy  :-*  ;) ."
___

Despite being home-schooled, there was no shortage of companions for Jackson's children.
Chef Kai Chase recalled numerous pets in the mansion that Jackson was renting while he prepared for his "This Is It" shows.
There was the talking bird, Siberia, who whistled at pretty women  :icon_eek:   :thjajaja121: .
The children also had a chocolate Labrador named Kenya, whom Chase bought a cookbook for so she could bake him treats and a birthday cake. Two cats, named Katie and Thriller, also roamed the house.

During opening statements of the civil trial, some of the jury's first exposure to life in the Jackson home came from footage shot on a Christmas morning several years ago. Jackson's ode to his children, "You Are My Life" played as jurors watched a video of a Christmas morning from years ago of Prince, Paris and Blanket gleefully receiving their gifts, which included the puppy, Kenya.
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Chase had been working at Jackson's home for only a few days when it came time to prepare for Paris' 11th birthday.
She wanted a Michael Jackson-themed party.
All around the dining room, posters of the King of Pop were hung alongside album covers and other pictures. Jackson's hit songs played as the family ate cheese pizza, hot wings and banana splits, Chase recalled.
Paris' birthday cake was decorated with Lilo & Stitch, her favorite Disney characters. But the festivities weren't over.
Jackson escorted the children into the backyard, where they watched a private Cirque du Soleil-style circus, complete with men on stilts and a woman performing in a giant balloon.

Chase watched from the kitchen window and later described the scene as "the most beautiful expression of love I've ever seen."
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Jackson spent the final months of his life in a rented mansion in the upscale Holmby Hills section of Los Angeles.
The mansion had all the amenities fit for a pop superstar — a palatial entryway, staircase and parlor and in the basement, a home theater and dance studio.
The house was a hub of activity, with security guards posted outside, a pair of housekeepers, a nanny for the children and on many days, a personal chef stationed in the kitchen.
Dinners at the home occasionally featured special guests, including Jackson's personal physician Conrad Murray and choreographer Travis Payne.
But staffers and guests other than Murray weren't allowed upstairs, where the bedrooms were. When Chase wanted to prepare a soul food menu for Jackson and his children, she wrote him a note in Magic Marker and left it at the foot of the stairs.
AEG Live's lead defense attorney has pointed to the secrecy of Jackson's upstairs lifestyle — where the superstar was receiving nightly doses of the anesthetic propofol in his locked bedroom — to support the company's contention it couldn't have known about Jackson's drug treatments.
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Having a stable home for his children was a major motivation for Jackson returning to the concert stage, AEG executives say.
After his acquittal of child molestation charges in 2005, Jackson had become a nomad, spending time in various cities, including Las Vegas, often staying with friends.
"He wanted his kids to have a permanent place to live and a sense of community," AEG Live CEO Randy Phillips recalled Jackson telling him during one meeting held while the family was living in the guesthouse of a rich benefactor.
It was Halloween and the children darted in and out of the rooms, wearing masks. Later that night, they'd go with their father to a party at Elizabeth Taylor's home   ;) .
"I felt incredibly bad that this incredible star was at this point where he couldn't buy a house," Phillips said.
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Jackson was always a magnet for photographers and fans, but he managed to sneak his children into a movie just weeks before his death.
The family and a few others went to see the animated film "Up" at the El Capitan Theatre on a touristy stretch of Hollywood Boulevard.
They came in a back door and remained in a private room while moviegoers filed into the theater. When everyone else was seated, the entourage, including his longtime makeup artist Karen Faye, director Kenny Ortega and others, hit up the concession stand.
The group watched the movie without distraction. "No one knew Michael was there," Faye recalled.
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Jackson and choreographer Travis Payne were scheduled to rehearse one-on-one several days a week in the dance studio that was in the basement of Jackson's mansion.
It's unclear how often the pair worked out, but when they did they often had a companion, 7-year-old Blanket. He liked to watch his father dance, Payne later recalled, and tried to always stay close to his dad. During their workouts, Payne said Jackson talked to his son, mentoring him .
Preparations for the shows meant that Jackson was frequently out of the house at meetings, film shoots or rehearsals. When he returned home, Prince, Paris and Blanket would rush their father.
"They would take off like lightning," Chase recalls, "... and grab him around the ankles and around the waist."
They'd be hanging off of him, not unlike a picture shown to jurors during opening statements.
In the photo, Jackson was handing Blanket, then a newborn, to President Bill Clinton. Clinging to Jackson's right leg was Paris.
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When it came time for a science project, Paris settled on studying snails.
She enlisted Chase to help her find snails in the mansion's backyard. The pair carried large flashlights and found several of the slimy creatures and prepared to bring them inside.
Jackson was waiting for them.
"At this point, I knew I was going to get fired," Chase recalled.
The singer looked at the snails and had a different reaction — he helped make them a home.
The snails ended up in jars made cozier by moss in the bottom and tiny cocktail umbrellas   :icon_e_biggrin:. They lived on the kitchen counter, not far from other reminders of the children.
Blanket's colorings hung on the refrigerator.

On a chalkboard where Chase would write out menus, Paris scrawled a message that remained on the board the day her father died.
"I love daddy," the 11-year-old wrote. "Smile, it's free."

I wanna know who taught this parrot to wolf whistle at pretty girls  :icon_rolleyes:  :icon_lol: .And the snail house with cocktail umbrellas is beyond the cutest thing ever  :-*.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on June 23, 2013, 05:05:44 PM
Thank you Applehead for sharing such a wonderful story again.

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During opening statements of the civil trial, some of the jury's first exposure to life in the Jackson home came from footage shot on a Christmas morning several years ago. Jackson's ode to his children, "You Are My Life" played as jurors watched a video of a Christmas morning from years ago of Prince, Paris and Blanket gleefully receiving their gifts, which included the puppy, Kenya.
 

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZEyNuzTQVw [/youtube]

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Jackson brought his children to the shoot for a "Smooth Criminal" video that culminated with Jackson leaping through a window while being shot at by Humphrey Bogart.
I think it's a good thing that Michael is sharing this with his children too, to show them that things aren't always what it seems and that you can make it look real but it's just a movie.

Applehead:
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I wanna know who taught this parrot to wolf whistle at pretty girls  :icon_rolleyes: :icon_lol: .
:LolLolLolLol: I've no idea.

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: iLoveyoumore on June 23, 2013, 05:35:00 PM
Thanks applehead, love it.   :icon_e_biggrin:

everlasting_, I love that video! beautiful pics.

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I wanna know who taught this parrot to wolf whistle at pretty girls  :icon_rolleyes:  :icon_lol:

How awkward would be when a girl walks by and the parrot doesn't whistle... Lol.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on June 23, 2013, 05:37:48 PM
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Thank you Applehead for sharing such a wonderful story again.

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During opening statements of the civil trial, some of the jury's first exposure to life in the Jackson home came from footage shot on a Christmas morning several years ago. Jackson's ode to his children, "You Are My Life" played as jurors watched a video of a Christmas morning from years ago of Prince, Paris and Blanket gleefully receiving their gifts, which included the puppy, Kenya.
 

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZEyNuzTQVw [/youtube]

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Jackson brought his children to the shoot for a "Smooth Criminal" video that culminated with Jackson leaping through a window while being shot at by Humphrey Bogart.
I think it's a good thing that Michael is sharing this with his children too, to show them that things aren't always what it seems and that you can make it look real but it's just a movie.

Applehead:
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I wanna know who taught this parrot to wolf whistle at pretty girls  :icon_rolleyes: :icon_lol: .
:LolLolLolLol: I've no idea.
this is not the actual video played in court correct? :icon_e_confused:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on June 23, 2013, 05:52:56 PM
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Thank you Applehead for sharing such a wonderful story again.

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During opening statements of the civil trial, some of the jury's first exposure to life in the Jackson home came from footage shot on a Christmas morning several years ago. Jackson's ode to his children, "You Are My Life" played as jurors watched a video of a Christmas morning from years ago of Prince, Paris and Blanket gleefully receiving their gifts, which included the puppy, Kenya.
 

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYQk_ksPCyA [/youtube]

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Jackson brought his children to the shoot for a "Smooth Criminal" video that culminated with Jackson leaping through a window while being shot at by Humphrey Bogart.
I think it's a good thing that Michael is sharing this with his children too, to show them that things aren't always what it seems and that you can make it look real but it's just a movie.

Applehead:
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I wanna know who taught this parrot to wolf whistle at pretty girls  :icon_rolleyes: :icon_lol: .
:LolLolLolLol: I've no idea.
this is not the actual video played in court correct? :icon_e_confused:

Correct, I just posted this vid to show the song, didn't mean to confuse anyone. I'm going to edit it with the music video of the Invincible album.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on June 23, 2013, 06:05:08 PM

Iloveyoumore and suspicious mind, both of your last comments made me literally LOL.  Thank you for that!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: iLoveyoumore on June 23, 2013, 06:11:30 PM
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Iloveyoumore and suspicious mind, both of your last comments made me literally LOL.  Thank you for that!

 :icon_lol:  :bearhug:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on June 23, 2013, 06:28:35 PM
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Jackson brought his children to the shoot for a "Smooth Criminal" video that culminated with Jackson leaping through a window while being shot at by Humphrey Bogart

I think it's a good thing that Michael is sharing this with his children too, to show them that things aren't always what it seems and that you can make it look real but it's just a movie.

I agree, that's an excellent observation.  They would see their dad "leaping through a window" again on June 25th.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on June 24, 2013, 03:55:07 PM
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Iloveyoumore and suspicious mind, both of your last comments made me literally LOL.  Thank you for that!



                  (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Amour/E_07FL%7E1.GIF)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on June 25, 2013, 08:22:48 PM
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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 53min
Live witness testimony tomorrow:
Prince (MJ's son)
TJ Jackson (children's co-guardian)

Taj Jackson (TJ's brother) will testify on Thursday



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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 53min
That wraps Day 37 of trial. We hope to see you all tomorrow for complete coverage of Prince's testimony.





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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on June 27, 2013, 08:34:22 AM
It was brought by Prince to the AEG trial and now it's public .................OMG I'm in tears,and I am trembling   :'( !!!!! I swear I have no words,cause Michael you are the best  :omg: :omg:  :omg:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eRC44w5A_yI[/youtube]

After Blanket said he wanted to be a movie directo, MJ replied, "That's what I want to do!" Paris was like, "You ARE..." :icon_eek:  :omg:!!!!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on June 27, 2013, 09:39:17 AM
Wait, where did that home video come from and how did it surface?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on June 27, 2013, 10:03:56 AM
At this point, I got this clip on youtube.Let's see what they say.....

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtBXec24a3A[/youtube]


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“My dad was hanging half off the bed, and his eyes kind of rolled in the back of his head,” Prince said, his voice quavering slightly as he spoke publicly about his father’s death for the first time."

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“Nothing will ever be the same,” he said. “I can’t sleep at night. I have a hard time sleeping. For a while after he died, I became emotionally distant from a lot of people.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/michael-jackson-oldest-son-arrives-court-testify-civil-trial-article-1.1383041 (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/michael-jackson-oldest-son-arrives-court-testify-civil-trial-article-1.1383041)





Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on June 27, 2013, 01:50:06 PM
"Michael Jackson's son testifies singer was unhappy with promoter"

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/26/entertainment-us-michaeljackson-aeg-idUSBRE95P02D20130626

I think we have already heard about most of the info. in this article, except these 2 sentences that Prince talks about I found very important:

"Prince Jackson, 16, said he saw his father often get upset on the phone with AEG Live Chief Executive Officer Randy Phillips, but was unable to stand up for himself in disagreements.

"He would get off the phone, he would cry sometimes," Prince told jurors in a Los Angeles courtroom about his father. "He would say, 'They're going to kill me. They're going to kill me.' ... He was like my grandma. He was too kind to fight anybody."

"Michael was unable to stand up for himself in disagreements and he was too kind to fight anybody.........."

This was how he WAS, but a person can only take so much bulls***..............
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on June 27, 2013, 04:32:02 PM
"Michael was unable to stand up for himself in disagreements and he was too kind to fight anybody...


It' s true... Michael  is a very special person , clean , honest in a world of vultures... and if a person is so, comes the time when no longer able to endure and fight such dryness and greed.

 That's the reason  he wanted the June 25.   :moonwalk_:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on June 27, 2013, 09:37:17 PM
This is from ABC7 Court News tweets from today:

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 40m

Taj told the jury they chose to marry at Hayvenhurst because it was the place his mom and his uncle would be.

Wasn't Hayvenhurst being remodeled?  Is the remodeling work already completed?  So the photo we saw of Blanket and Omer wearing suits was taken at Hayvenhurst.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on June 27, 2013, 11:52:41 PM
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Wait, where did that home video come from and how did it surface?

It seems that there is another one ,lol and this is the precious thing ever  :-* !!!!!!


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmg889yz1yo[/youtube]

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Notice how Prince go immediately hug Michael thanking for the gift, even before going to play with the dog. That's called PERFECT EDUCATION. So proud of this boy.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on June 28, 2013, 12:10:30 AM
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0:24 Michael: "Isnt he lovely? Bashir found him."

0:26 Prince: "Where is Martin Bashir?"

0:28 Michael: "He's right there..."


:WTF:  :icon_e_confused: Wait...what...
Didnt the "Bashit" interview take place when Blanket was a baby? This doesn't make ANY sense.   :thjajaja121:  :Pulling_hair:  :screaming-7365:
Michael what's going on here  :icon_question:? Because we are already going crazy here baby !!!  :thjajaja121:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on June 28, 2013, 12:19:16 AM

Oh wow applehead, ya that is what it sounds like....interesting!!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on June 28, 2013, 11:18:38 AM
you know i was just wondering a day or so ago. what did martin bashir do that would be criminal that he could plead the fifth?  you know what i mean ? whether what he did was wrong or whatever how could he use that? can anyone explain to me?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on June 28, 2013, 03:26:43 PM
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you know i was just wondering a day or so ago. what did martin bashir do that would be criminal that he could plead the fifth?  you know what i mean ? whether what he did was wrong or whatever how could he use that? can anyone explain to me?

Usually, when someone pleads the 5th, it kind of means that they are guilty.......  It's when you refuse to answer questions on the grounds that your answers might incriminate you.......... The shortest answer is :  "To plead the 5th means to exercise the right to not give testimony under oath which could incriminate them."

I guess "Batshit" felt guilty about what he had done.......

Edit... I don't understand the significance of this question that Putnam asked Karen Faye today in court:

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 12m
Faye was then asked about the Jackson family maid, Grace Rwaramba and her role during the molestation trial.

Does she have anything to do with this case that I'm missing?  Why do they keep bringing up her name?  Starting with Paris's Deposition video, then the photos that were shown in court while Prince was testifying? the photos of Katherine and Grace that were recently posted and now this.....
It seems like there's something there, but I can't understand what it is..........
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on June 28, 2013, 06:11:08 PM
but she wasn't the maid but the nanny. and it seems to me like i have seen videos of her with him and ramone baines at some sort of event with the kids not along. one of the times when he seemed to appear somewhat different.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: charissa on June 28, 2013, 08:20:29 PM
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you know i was just wondering a day or so ago. what did martin bashir do that would be criminal that he could plead the fifth?  you know what i mean ? whether what he did was wrong or whatever how could he use that? can anyone explain to me?

Haven't read the entire thread, but wanted to touch on this particular question.

Invoking your Fifth Amendment right to, basically, "remain silent" is done when there is a risk of your own testimonial evidence incriminating you in a crime or lawsuit. Someone in Bashir's "profession" (God, I use that term very loosely in the same sentence as the ass hat's name) would, most likely, "plead the 5th" in order to protect any & all journalistic sources. Once you begin to testify, you can't pick and choose which questions you'd rather answer, so pleading the 5th is a complete CYA move.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on June 28, 2013, 09:02:30 PM
COURT PROBES WOMAN WHO APPROACHED JACKSON JURORS

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LOS ANGELES (AP) — Two alternate jurors in the civil trial over Michael Jackson's death have been questioned after a woman approached them and told them not to award the singer's family any money in the case.

Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos and attorneys on the case questioned the alternates, who said the woman approached them during a break Friday afternoon. Both said the woman told them not to award any money in the case against concert promoter AEG Live LLC.

The alternate jurors were told to return to the case on Monday and said their interaction would not affect their judgment about the case.

Jackson family attorney Brian Panish said the interaction was jury tampering and is a felony.

Michael Jackson's mother is suing AEG Live over her son's death. The company denies wrongdoing.

Copyright 2013 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

http://www.usnews.com/news/entertainment/articles/2013/06/28/court-probes-woman-who-approached-jackson-jurors
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on June 28, 2013, 10:00:40 PM
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you know i was just wondering a day or so ago. what did martin bashir do that would be criminal that he could plead the fifth?  you know what i mean ? whether what he did was wrong or whatever how could he use that? can anyone explain to me?

Haven't read the entire thread, but wanted to touch on this particular question.

Invoking your Fifth Amendment right to, basically, "remain silent" is done when there is a risk of your own testimonial evidence incriminating you in a crime or lawsuit. Someone in Bashir's "profession" (God, I use that term very loosely in the same sentence as the ass hat's name) would, most likely, "plead the 5th" in order to protect any & all journalistic sources. Once you begin to testify, you can't pick and choose which questions you'd rather answer, so pleading the 5th is a complete CYA move.

oh thank you. wonder if these play any part in that aspect.

http://www.splc.org/knowyourrights/legalresearch.asp?id=31
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: charissa on June 28, 2013, 11:45:44 PM
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you know i was just wondering a day or so ago. what did martin bashir do that would be criminal that he could plead the fifth?  you know what i mean ? whether what he did was wrong or whatever how could he use that? can anyone explain to me?

Haven't read the entire thread, but wanted to touch on this particular question.

Invoking your Fifth Amendment right to, basically, "remain silent" is done when there is a risk of your own testimonial evidence incriminating you in a crime or lawsuit. Someone in Bashir's "profession" (God, I use that term very loosely in the same sentence as the ass hat's name) would, most likely, "plead the 5th" in order to protect any & all journalistic sources. Once you begin to testify, you can't pick and choose which questions you'd rather answer, so pleading the 5th is a complete CYA move.

oh thank you. wonder if these play any part in that aspect.

http://www.splc.org/knowyourrights/legalresearch.asp?id=31

Most certainly; however, it doesn't completely absolve them of their duty if called upon to present evidence. A member of the media may be held in contempt should they refuse to testify after being served a subpoena requiring their testimony. Case in point, Judith Miller. Miller refused to testify in the Valerie Plame federal case and she was incarcerated for contempt. The Shield Law does vary from state to state, too. In my state, journalists' sources, both confidential and non, are protected, but that protection is qualified as to whether the courts, 1. deem the information relevant or irrelevant; 2. the info can't be obtained from any other source, and 3. is essential to the maintenance of the case being heard/tried. I, personally, hold the opinion that a journalist wishing to protect his/her sources and prevent self incrimination by refusing to do so should invoke his/her fifth amendment right rather than Reporter's Privilege.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: charissa on June 28, 2013, 11:56:28 PM
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LOS ANGELES (AP) — Two alternate jurors in the civil trial over Michael Jackson's death have been questioned after a woman approached them and told them not to award the singer's family any money in the case.

Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos and attorneys on the case questioned the alternates, who said the woman approached them during a break Friday afternoon. Both said the woman told them not to award any money in the case against concert promoter AEG Live LLC.

The alternate jurors were told to return to the case on Monday and said their interaction would not affect their judgment about the case.

Jackson family attorney Brian Panish said the interaction was jury tampering and is a felony.

Michael Jackson's mother is suing AEG Live over her son's death. The company denies wrongdoing.

Copyright 2013 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

http://www.usnews.com/news/entertainment/articles/2013/06/28/court-probes-woman-who-approached-jackson-jurors

Ah,now we have jury tampering? Laying the grounds for a future mistrial, perhaps? The question really is, who is it behind the whispers of the unknown women? AEG would naturally be the first suspect; however, you have to keep in mind the illegalities concerning profiting off of a faked death.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on June 29, 2013, 01:44:19 AM

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LOS ANGELES (AP) — Two alternate jurors in the civil trial over Michael Jackson's death have been questioned after a woman approached them and told them not to award the singer's family any money in the case.

Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos and attorneys on the case questioned the alternates, who said the woman approached them during a break Friday afternoon. Both said the woman told them not to award any money in the case against concert promoter AEG Live LLC.

The alternate jurors were told to return to the case on Monday and said their interaction would not affect their judgment about the case.

Jackson family attorney Brian Panish said the interaction was jury tampering and is a felony.

Michael Jackson's mother is suing AEG Live over her son's death. The company denies wrongdoing.

Copyright 2013 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

http://www.usnews.com/news/entertainment/articles/2013/06/28/court-probes-woman-who-approached-jackson-jurors

Ah,now we have jury tampering? Laying the grounds for a future mistrial, perhaps? The question really is, who is it behind the whispers of the unknown women? AEG would naturally be the first suspect; however, you have to keep in mind the illegalities concerning profiting off of a faked death.

Mistrial crossed my mind too.  It also looks to me as if the trial may not be at all about money as far as the Jacksons are concerned.  It may be all about what is going to be revealed during the trial.........
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on June 29, 2013, 03:16:11 AM
TJ Jackson testifies (June 27,2013).........see you in London  :icon_e_biggrin: !!!!!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF2BtnWUM40[/youtube]

And Tj was right ,cause Paris was/is daddy's baby  ;),all of them  :'(  :-* .

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_GNpghheJ0[/youtube]

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"My name is Prince Michael Jackson and I love my daddy. I'm daddys baby and I love my daddy" AAAAAAAAAAAAAW!!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on June 29, 2013, 06:01:19 AM

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SntLhgDBBng [/youtube]
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on June 29, 2013, 06:28:57 PM
Thanks to you all guys for sharing these vid !!! :icon_bounce: :moonwalk_: :bearhug:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on June 30, 2013, 02:44:42 AM
Regarding the woman who approached jurors, telling them not to award any money - sounds to me like one of the crazy 'fans' who hate MJ's family and think this is all about their greed. I don't believe everything is scripted by MJ or engineered by AEG - 'real' stuff happens too.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on June 30, 2013, 05:24:59 AM
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LOS ANGELES (AP) — Two alternate jurors in the civil trial over Michael Jackson's death have been questioned after a woman approached them and told them not to award the singer's family any money in the case.

Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos and attorneys on the case questioned the alternates, who said the woman approached them during a break Friday afternoon. Both said the woman told them not to award any money in the case against concert promoter AEG Live LLC.

The alternate jurors were told to return to the case on Monday and said their interaction would not affect their judgment about the case.

Jackson family attorney Brian Panish said the interaction was jury tampering and is a felony.

Michael Jackson's mother is suing AEG Live over her son's death. The company denies wrongdoing.

Copyright 2013 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

http://www.usnews.com/news/entertainment/articles/2013/06/28/court-probes-woman-who-approached-jackson-jurors

Ah,now we have jury tampering? Laying the grounds for a future mistrial, perhaps? The question really is, who is it behind the whispers of the unknown women? AEG would naturally be the first suspect; however, you have to keep in mind the illegalities concerning profiting off of a faked death.

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Mistrial crossed my mind too.  It also looks to me as if the trial may not be at all about money as far as the Jacksons are concerned.  It may be all about what is going to be revealed during the trial.........

+1

Above all it's about: justice, truth/exposure of wrongs and vindication.






Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: charissa on June 30, 2013, 02:04:34 PM
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Regarding the woman who approached jurors, telling them not to award any money - sounds to me like one of the crazy 'fans' who hate MJ's family and think this is all about their greed. I don't believe everything is scripted by MJ or engineered by AEG - 'real' stuff happens too.

I think that's where I have a problem with this whole hoax idea. Everyone seems to read something into every little detail. It becomes ludicrous. I mean, the world hasn't stopped on its axis, and like you said, "real life" happens.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on June 30, 2013, 03:32:44 PM
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LOS ANGELES (AP) — Two alternate jurors in the civil trial over Michael Jackson's death have been questioned after a woman approached them and told them not to award the singer's family any money in the case.

Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos and attorneys on the case questioned the alternates, who said the woman approached them during a break Friday afternoon. Both said the woman told them not to award any money in the case against concert promoter AEG Live LLC.

The alternate jurors were told to return to the case on Monday and said their interaction would not affect their judgment about the case.

Jackson family attorney Brian Panish said the interaction was jury tampering and is a felony.

Michael Jackson's mother is suing AEG Live over her son's death. The company denies wrongdoing.

Copyright 2013 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

http://www.usnews.com/news/entertainment/articles/2013/06/28/court-probes-woman-who-approached-jackson-jurors

Ah,now we have jury tampering? Laying the grounds for a future mistrial, perhaps? The question really is, who is it behind the whispers of the unknown women? AEG would naturally be the first suspect; however, you have to keep in mind the illegalities concerning profiting off of a faked death.

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Mistrial crossed my mind too.  It also looks to me as if the trial may not be at all about money as far as the Jacksons are concerned.  It may be all about what is going to be revealed during the trial.........

+1

Above all it's about: justice, truth/exposure of wrongs and vindication.


 :th_bravo:  :th_bravo:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on June 30, 2013, 07:09:21 PM
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Regarding the woman who approached jurors, telling them not to award any money - sounds to me like one of the crazy 'fans' who hate MJ's family and think this is all about their greed. I don't believe everything is scripted by MJ or engineered by AEG - 'real' stuff happens too.

For sure, which makes it all the more awesome and amazing. The boundary between reality and illusion is fluid, flexible, even permeable at times.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on July 01, 2013, 04:17:15 AM
Well for one thing she was wearing red pants and secondly no one seemed to know who she was and then she disappeared.
And Front had predicted the colors "black and red", and "Sus". Days later and after this story he said it was a "Thriller sus----pence". MJ wears red in Thriller. My hunch is this 'lady' could have been MJ in disguise. He's skinny enough, as he possibly was disguised as the blond lady at the memorial and was pretty convincing even in a min-skirt. The possible reason for 'her' telling jurors not to pay the Jacksons any money is, MJ's alive!!! Until proof this is not the case, I'm exploring the possibilities.

Applehead quoted:
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0:24 Michael: "Isnt he lovely? Bashir found him."

0:26 Prince: "Where is Martin Bashir?"

0:28 Michael: "He's right there..."
I have long thought MJ was deliberately setting up hoaxy themes in that Bashir documentary--the crazed shopping including Apollo paintings, appearance of 3 different looking MJ's, #33 and 21 on the Neverland racing cars, holding hands with Gavin, saying he had seven lights on him in bed, and more. But it appeared that Bashir had no clue and was pure evil, and now I'm thinking he may have been in on it all along, and the whole video a bait to the enemies of MJ, which they took--falling into his "trap", as Front often says.

I personally suspect AEG is in on the hoax, and that they are possibly part of the "big unit" that SOTT (MJ) from 2002-3 talked of having on his side to fight his enemies.
http://truenewszone.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/chess_.jpg
SOTT (MJ) was likely writing these words when Bashir was there at Neverland.

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: iLoveyoumore on July 01, 2013, 03:39:29 PM
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My hunch is this 'lady' could have been MJ in disguise.

Who knows  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on July 02, 2013, 05:27:37 PM
Bec
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The boundary between reality and illusion is fluid, flexible, even permeable at times.
This IMO is the key understanding as we ride the hoax train with MJ. He WILL get to his destination--the journey is filled with adventure and unknowns.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: voiceforthesilent on July 02, 2013, 08:00:39 PM
Thank you for sharing these videos and comments. I haven't been able to follow the trial like I did Murray's trial.

I'm wondering, are there staged props in the courtroom? stuffed animals, keys, etc? Or does it seem normal?

Blessings
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on July 02, 2013, 08:08:29 PM
It is boring is part of trial  (http://www.emoticones.com/gifs_animados_messenger/aburridos_emoticones.com.gif)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: iLoveyoumore on July 03, 2013, 06:06:30 AM
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Thank you for sharing these videos and comments. I haven't been able to follow the trial like I did Murray's trial.

I'm wondering, are there staged props in the courtroom? stuffed animals, keys, etc? Or does it seem normal?

Blessings

We can't see inside the courtroom like in Murray's trial.

 :icon_e_sad:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on July 03, 2013, 10:07:58 AM
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TJ Jackson testifies (June 27,2013).........see you in London  :icon_e_biggrin: !!!!!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF2BtnWUM40[/youtube]

And Tj was right ,cause Paris was/is daddy's baby  ;),all of them  :'(  :-* .

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_GNpghheJ0[/youtube]

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"My name is Prince Michael Jackson and I love my daddy. I'm daddys baby and I love my daddy" AAAAAAAAAAAAAW!!

little ones are always so funny with a mic  :penguin:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on July 03, 2013, 08:25:18 PM
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 1h

Palazuelos: “This is my concern. Nine weeks into this trial and this is getting in a mistrial situation.” (We’re in 10th wk of testimony.)7


Again with the MISTRIAL SITUATION.

Some more tweets:

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 1h

The doctor also addressed Demerol use, saying there was no sign Jackson received the drug between 2003 and 2008.
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Anthony McCartney Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 1h

Schnoll’s point about the documented use of propofol by Jackson was that it was in medical settings with proper supervision. Until C. Murray
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on July 04, 2013, 12:16:09 AM
Looks like the tides have turned in Michael's favor.  This is such a great article exposing the lies:

Tabloid report on Michael Jackson 'FBI files' questioned


http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/03/showbiz/michael-jackson-files/index.html
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on July 04, 2013, 11:13:06 AM
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Journalist Diane Dimond, who is no defender of the pop icon, also attacked the Sunday People article.
"It is obvious the paper took this old story and proceeded to make it seem new by adding numbers to it -- 24 boys paid off $35 million by Michael Jackson," Dimond said. "The problem is there's no evidence to back up the claim that Jackson made that many payoffs."


I cannot believe that she said this¡ ¡, :icon_eek: and then as be all of the above said by Diane :icon_question:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on July 04, 2013, 11:37:00 AM
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Journalist Diane Dimond, who is no defender of the pop icon, also attacked the Sunday People article.
"It is obvious the paper took this old story and proceeded to make it seem new by adding numbers to it -- 24 boys paid off $35 million by Michael Jackson," Dimond said. "The problem is there's no evidence to back up the claim that Jackson made that many payoffs."


I cannot believe that she said this¡ ¡, :icon_eek: and then as be all of the above said by Diane :icon_question:

When I first read the article I couldn't believe it either, so I had to re-read it to make sure I understood it right.
That's why this article is so important in clearing Michael's name, specially when it is being written by mainstream media and a "scum" reporter such as Diane Dimond, who was hell bent in destroying Michael, writes her opinion in favor of Michael.............

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on July 04, 2013, 05:12:00 PM
Now  is a race who shoots the biggest.....  ::)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: onthewingsoflove on July 05, 2013, 03:01:54 PM
"Dimond said. "The problem is there's no evidence to back up the claim that Jackson made that many payoffs."

Well that is the truth, and "the truth prevails!"

Stay blessed!
OnTheWingsOfLove
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on July 05, 2013, 06:03:17 PM
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"Dimond said. "The problem is there's no evidence to back up the claim that Jackson made that many payoffs."

Well that is the truth, and "the truth prevails!"

Stay blessed!
OnTheWingsOfLove

 :bearhug: Totally agree  :bearhug:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: RK on July 08, 2013, 11:57:43 AM
Jackson Lawyers are getting their hands on Frank Dileo's computer today
The article mentions an unpublished book of Frank's memoirs in which he documented the whole AEG  deal.

http://www.contactmusic.com/story/michael-jackson-s-family-to-present-smoking-gun-evidence_3748934 (http://www.contactmusic.com/story/michael-jackson-s-family-to-present-smoking-gun-evidence_3748934)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MaryK on July 08, 2013, 01:10:51 PM
Re: mistrial situation: Couldn´t this be it though?

I mean I had a hard time wrapping my mind around this trial and what might happen if KJ wins and gets all that money (fraud issue).

What if all necessary facts and truths are presented to the world throughout (and via) this trial and in the end it ends up being a mistrial ---> hence no verdict or legal consequences?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on July 08, 2013, 01:21:32 PM
Waste of tax payer money and public resources for court time. MJ could pay the bills but the time lost is forever. Wouldn't look good.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MaryK on July 08, 2013, 01:27:11 PM
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Waste of tax payer money and public resources for court time. MJ could pay the bills but the time lost is forever. Wouldn't look good.

Ok I get your point.

So what if KJ wins?

I´d like to ask what your opinion is/your thoughts are: What does that mean for the hoax or a possible comeback etc.?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on July 08, 2013, 01:44:21 PM
I think the trial is staged/ a live theater production. I think it's all been approved prior to go. 
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on July 08, 2013, 03:29:08 PM
This is from the link to the article RK posted on the previous page:

It's believed Frank - who worked alongside Michael until his death in June 2009, and died two years later himself - was one of the 'Thriller' singer's closest confidantes and knew potentially incriminating details relating to Michael's deal with AEG, some of which he documented in an unpublished memoir before his death.
A source said: ''Frank knew where all the bodies were buried. If there are new emails on his computer, or a copy of his book, it could rip the trial wide open.''

I believe the whole point of the trial is to bring out in the open what "people" did to Michael to bring him down, to silence him once and for all (2003 Allegations) to discredit him to his fans, and as a bonus to get to his catalog and everything else he worked for all his life.   I also believe AEG tried to complete the job that wasn't  successful in 2003 by manipulating the This Is It contract to suit all of THEIR needs, by treating Michael like a "circus animal", by manipulating the # of the shows for maximum profits, by controlling all aspects of Michael's life including his private life.......  A lot of conspiracy going on all around Michael that people who had Michael's best interest at heart have died mysteriously from very mysterious causes........
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on July 08, 2013, 06:24:04 PM
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I think the trial is staged/ a live theater production. I think it's all been approved prior to go.

I think the same. Behind all there is Michael and he told us....is a great adventure.... believe and waiting for  :bearhug: :moonwalk_:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on July 08, 2013, 08:45:53 PM
This Dr. Finkelstein said some interesting things today


https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on July 09, 2013, 05:42:10 AM
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This Dr. Finkelstein said some interesting things today


https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts

so this is where it came from a little bit back about the supposed scars on his backside from so many injections. my question is would this not have been noted when sneddon and his crew took their pics and examined to check our jordies description?   i know we had discussion that scars from injection didn't seem too realistic.  my guess would be if he had them it was from whippin's . just sayin'
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 09, 2013, 10:22:26 AM
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I think the trial is staged/ a live theater production. I think it's all been approved prior to go.

I have attended the trial twice and M Katherine seemed to be sure that everything was gonna be fine, with this I don't mean that Mrs Jackson doesn't care about the trial but I feel she is self confident, she looked fantastic and a strong woman with an iron health.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on July 09, 2013, 12:34:35 PM
Whose testimony did you hear Sweet?  Any other vibes you picked up or interesting stuff you'd like to share with us?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 09, 2013, 03:55:44 PM
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Whose testimony did you hear Sweet?  Any other vibes you picked up or interesting stuff you'd like to share with us?

The two days I attended the AEG trial were very boring to be honest, in both cases were doctors who were  testifying, first day was Dr. Gordon Matheson who looked like acting and making funny faces and the second one Jean Seawright a Human Resources consultant and Dr Schnoll who said that MJ was not a drug addict however the most interesting days that seemed to be when Karen Faye, Prince Jackson, Kai Chase and Taj Jackson were testifying I wasn't there, btw Mr. Panish Mrs. Jackson's lawyer looked very funny like acting, lol, and the worst thing was when I miss the strange woman in red pants, lol, I was at the Court with Pearljr and Sharon Sidney who told me to be aware and look around because any of the men around there could be Michael in disguise, lol, how exciting  :icon_bounce:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on July 09, 2013, 04:32:02 PM
Thanks Sweet, should I know who Sharon Sidney is?!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 09, 2013, 05:00:50 PM
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Thanks Sweet, should I know who Sharon Sidney is?!

She is the first person who witnessed and stated that Michael was alive because she lives near downtown so near Carolwood and she was one of the fans that was at the front of Carolwood waiting for Michael to come out and wave them, so she was there when the ambulance left to UCLA and she followed and entered the hospital watching the stretcher where it's supposed Michael was on, she was the first to state the man or dummy on that stretcher was too short to be Michael, now that I say "too short" I remind of "TS", lol, she doesn't know what a believer means and she isn't aware o any forum or Front or anything on the internet she only knows that Michael is alive and that's enough for her because anything of the story that happened on June 25 09 didn't add up.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65JsipHVOEY[/youtube]
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on July 09, 2013, 08:28:58 PM
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Thanks Sweet, should I know who Sharon Sidney is?!

She is the first person who witnessed and stated that Michael was alive because she lives near downtown so near Carolwood and she was one of the fans that was at the front of Carolwood waiting for Michael to come out and wave them, so she was there when the ambulance left to UCLA and she followed and entered the hospital watching the stretcher where it's supposed Michael was on, she was the first to state the man or dummy on that stretcher was too short to be Michael, now that I say "too short" I remind of "TS", lol, she doesn't know what a believer means and she isn't aware o any forum or Front or anything on the internet she only knows that Michael is alive and that's enough for her because anything of the story that happened on June 25 09 didn't add up.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65JsipHVOEY[/youtube]







 thanks sweetsunsetwithMJ, interesting

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: charissa on July 10, 2013, 12:15:37 AM
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Thanks Sweet, should I know who Sharon Sidney is?!

She is the first person who witnessed and stated that Michael was alive because she lives near downtown so near Carolwood and she was one of the fans that was at the front of Carolwood waiting for Michael to come out and wave them, so she was there when the ambulance left to UCLA and she followed and entered the hospital watching the stretcher where it's supposed Michael was on, she was the first to state the man or dummy on that stretcher was too short to be Michael, now that I say "too short" I remind of "TS", lol, she doesn't know what a believer means and she isn't aware o any forum or Front or anything on the internet she only knows that Michael is alive and that's enough for her because anything of the story that happened on June 25 09 didn't add up.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65JsipHVOEY[/youtube]

I'd like to know just how she followed the ambulance and was able to get close enough to see the stretcher. Like most hospitals, particularly centers serving a metro area, UCLA Med Center has a separate arrival location & entrance for walk in emergency patients and those brought by ambulance. The cars you see in the videos of him arriving at UCLA belong to his security detail, not to Joe Q. Public.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on July 10, 2013, 12:58:04 AM
You know that's a good point, charissa. Unless she was on the far side (driver's side) at unloading--or inside ucla, it's difficult to discern how she could have gotten a look at who/what was on the stretcher at any point in time. Unless she was that lady in the car driving by in those ET stretcher gif clips, haha. In which case her 'good view of the stretcher' story is questionable to say the least.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on July 10, 2013, 01:32:49 AM
Sweetsunset, awesome you (one of us) were able to sit in twice and make observations. If you think of anything else you noticed please add more!

Sharon Sidney is also the one who was on a news interview saying she thought MJ had been kidnapped.
Yes, not only her main reason she thinks MJ's alive is that the stretcher guy was "Too
Short", but a couple of times TS gave that name Too Short mentioned in TMZ as proof he was linked to insiders. This rapper TMZ mentioned several times with other hoaxy statements. Just strikes me as too much to be coincidental.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: scorpionchik on July 10, 2013, 01:39:25 AM
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Thanks Sweet, should I know who Sharon Sidney is?!

we watched her videos curls. she is in you tube and likes getting attention. What Charissa says makes sense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65JsipHVOEY
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on July 10, 2013, 01:44:11 AM
Ah, thanks for filling the blanks Sweet, I'd heard her story before but hadn't made the link to her name.  Hmm, yes, more questions than answers in that vid.  And you say she doesn't know anything about internet forums??  I find that very hard to believe, if she's a fan who thinks MJ was kidnapped....
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on July 10, 2013, 06:22:34 AM
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  Hmm, yes, more questions than answers in that vid.  And you say she doesn't know anything about internet forums??  I find that very hard to believe, if she's a fan who thinks MJ was kidnapped....

Oh please  :icon_rolleyes: ,of course she knows, she knows more than you and me we suspect  :icon_geek: !!!!!

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This Texas woman says she was at the hospital the day Michael Jackson died on June 25th in 2009. Listen to exactly what she has to say. Interview takes place at Forest Lawn Cemetery in Glendale California on June 25th 2013. The 4th anniversary of his death.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABUGpwNIk_M[/youtube]
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on July 10, 2013, 07:21:59 AM
Majestik Magnificent Opens Up About Jackson Family Drama
Published on Jul 4, 2013

"omg! Insider" sat down with Majestik Magnificent on Tuesday, a close friend of the Jackson family who also appears on La Toya's OWN reality show, "Life With La Toya." Majestik opened up about about all the drama surrounding the Jackson family including the wrongful death suit against AEG, Wade Robson's accusations of abuse and Paris Jackson's recent suicide attempt. He told us,

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"Even in death this man cannot get a break. It's ridiculous. Michael being dead is not enough for people. They gave him hell when he was here on earth. They won't even let him rest in peace."


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ax0A2LMI7M[/youtube]

Majestik dear you are right ,"follow the dollar", cause it's all about MONEY!!!! What I don't agree is the part about Katherine,because in her case ,she's all about them,THE MONEY.Hello....... we are talking about 40 billion here!!!!!!
She didn't seek restitution from the man who killed him. Why not? Maybe because he was broke? AEG, however, has more money than Con-Rat. Simple. She's trying to GET THAT MONAAAAY.If Katherine was in it purely for justice, she'd be suing Murray regardless of money and she wouldn't allow the killer to trash her son to make a profit  :icon_rolleyes: :icon_geek: .It would be about the principal of the thing.But nope. NOW, when Murray gets his happy ass released from prison in a few months, he can go on a press tour saying whatever he damn well pleases about Michael Jackson  :LolLolLolLol:. He can write books (if anybody cares to publish it, and let's face it, people LOVE to trash MJ, so somebody probably will) and say whatever he wants. Shit, the guy had a phone in his jail cell and could leave creepy ass messages directed at Paris  :icon_lol:. I mean, really? This guy should be locked under the jail  :thjajaja121:.



Prosecutor Wanted Katherine Jackson To Seek Restitution From Michael Jackson Death Doc
Posted on Jul 7, 2013 @ 8:21AM | By Jen Heger

Katherine Jackson was “implored” by the Deputy D.A. who successfully put Conrad Murray behind bars to seek restitution from the disgraced former physician, RadarOnline.com is exclusively reporting.

Michael Jackson’s mother refused to pursue that option though, because her attorneys in her wrongful death action against AEG Live convinced her it would jeopardize their case, a source close to the Jackson matriarch tells us.

Even though Murray was broke at the time of his conviction, former Deputy D.A. David Walgren “implored Katherine to seek restitution, mainly, to prevent him from profiting off of her son’s death in the future, the source explains.

“Murray had already been paid for an in-depth interview that he did before being convicted, during the trial. The D.A. knew that Murray would absolutely try to make money off Michael in the future, like he did with the recording of Michael seemingly slurring his speech on his iphone that was played during the trial for jurors,” the source says.

However, in a stunning development during the scheduled restitution hearing after Murray was convicted, Walgren announced to Judge Michael Pastor that Katherine didn’t wish to pursue it.

“It absolutely gutted the D.A. because he wanted Murray to be held accountable once he was released from jail. Murray has never accepted any responsibility for Michael’s death, and blames everyone but himself,” the source says.

If Katherine Jackson had sought restitution, “Judge Pastor certainly would have been inclined to give it to her. Neither Murray, nor his associates would have been able to profit from voice mail messages, future interviews, book deals, etc., because all of that money would go directly to Katherine,” the source explains.
http://radaronline.c...ek-restitution/ (http://radaronline.c...ek-restitution/)


If Katherine loses this AEG, she will feel really stupid for not going after the real killer  :icon_lol:.This proves to me that DA Walgren cared more about MJ than his own mother did. Why couldn't she sue both of them? If anything Murray should've been sued in civil court for malpractice and being a terrible doctor. If Katherine accepted Conrad Murray's restitution judge Pastor rewarded them, she can no longer get the money from AEG. It's all about who have money, how to get the money for her jobless deadbeat sons and pay their outstanding child support  >:( .
Her lawyers are incompetent. I don't see how seeking restitution from the person convicted of killing her son would hurt their case. To me this is hurting the case more. It shows greed.All they care for is the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$!!!
AEG can kiss my ass  :), but I don't for a second believe Katherine is suing them because she feels they are responsible. The person responsible for Michael's death was found guilty already.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8IdlvRBVzw[/youtube] :elvis-1405:

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on July 10, 2013, 09:07:19 AM
Can you clarify your tone in the above post, Applehead? Because it comes across as if you are saying some not so nice things about KJ, and I think perhaps you are being sarcastic? But that's not clear.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 10, 2013, 10:43:21 AM
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Sweetsunset, awesome you (one of us) were able to sit in twice and make observations. If you think of anything else you noticed please add more!

Sharon Sidney is also the one who was on a news interview saying she thought MJ had been kidnapped.
Yes, not only her main reason she thinks MJ's alive is that the stretcher guy was "Too
Short", but a couple of times TS gave that name Too Short mentioned in TMZ as proof he was linked to insiders. This rapper TMZ mentioned several times with other hoaxy statements. Just strikes me as too much to be coincidental.

MJonmind exactly you are right that's what I thought too.

Bec I don't know but maybe she is the one because she told me she was talking directly with paramedics and I don't know who else and told her two different versions of the story that's why she started doubting they were saying the truth, anyway I have her email (because she doesn't follow twitter, fb) and I can ask her. 
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on July 10, 2013, 10:47:29 AM
I keep thinking about Dr. Murray and how he ALLEGEDLY was responsible for Michael's death.  Let's just pretend for a second that everything happened as was reported by media and that's why Murray is in jail now (again allegedly).  If we are believing that Michael died at the hands of Murray, why would the verdict at his trial use the word  ALLEGEDLY more than once  hence nullifying the whole trial and the case against Murray. 
Applehead, when it has been shown to anyone who followed Murray's trial, that it was a bogus trial with elephants, pumpkins, rabbits in the room, and the use of the word ALLEGEDLY during the reading of the verdict, then why would you agree with the reports and articles that Murray is in fact responsible for Michael's death and Katherine should have sued only him instead of AEG?????? 

I might be missing something here, but like bec said can you please explain your thoughts?????
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 10, 2013, 10:52:49 AM
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Thanks Sweet, should I know who Sharon Sidney is?!

we watched her videos curls. she is in you tube and likes getting attention. What Charissa says makes sense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65JsipHVOEY

Scorpion she doesn't like to get the attention she is just telling her truth, she seems to be very close to Jackson family due to she was an assiduous fan of which were in front of Michael's house in a daily basis.

Btw Scorpion sorry I didn't PM because I couldn't log into the forum while being in L.A, although the house I stayed was in front of Forest Lawn (Glendale) I didn't visit it, it gave me bad vibes, lol.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on July 10, 2013, 06:59:40 PM
Behind all there is Michael, we all know this.

And I think he want all this to demonstrate again  the stupidity of the media and to unmask the AEG and its unclear  intrigues

 :icon_e_geek: :animal0017:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: scorpionchik on July 10, 2013, 11:22:23 PM
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Thanks Sweet, should I know who Sharon Sidney is?!

we watched her videos curls. she is in you tube and likes getting attention. What Charissa says makes sense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65JsipHVOEY

Scorpion she doesn't like to get the attention she is just telling her truth, she seems to be very close to Jackson family due to she was an assiduous fan of which were in front of Michael's house in a daily basis.

Btw Scorpion sorry I didn't PM because I couldn't log into the forum while being in L.A, although the house I stayed was in front of Forest Lawn (Glendale) I didn't visit it, it gave me bad vibes, lol.

No problem sweet. I would suggest you not to believe everything people say. Pearl keeps saying she is insider but she met a few times with couple of Jacksons in the past that's all.That doesn't make her insider.Same with this persona.   I met Katherine and La TOya in the court during Murray trial, Katherine looked exactly in my eyes when I said hello to her and replied, so should I make big deal  out of this ?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 11, 2013, 10:26:14 AM
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Thanks Sweet, should I know who Sharon Sidney is?!

we watched her videos curls. she is in you tube and likes getting attention. What Charissa says makes sense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65JsipHVOEY

Scorpion she doesn't like to get the attention she is just telling her truth, she seems to be very close to Jackson family due to she was an assiduous fan of which were in front of Michael's house in a daily basis.

Btw Scorpion sorry I didn't PM because I couldn't log into the forum while being in L.A, although the house I stayed was in front of Forest Lawn (Glendale) I didn't visit it, it gave me bad vibes, lol.

No problem sweet. I would suggest you not to believe everything people say. Pearl keeps saying she is insider but she met a few times with couple of Jacksons in the past that's all.That doesn't make her insider.Same with this persona.   I met Katherine and La TOya in the court during Murray trial, Katherine looked exactly in my eyes when I said hello to her and replied, so should I make big deal  out of this ?

I happened the same with Mrs Jackson I even talked to her and took her hand and that doesn't make us insiders, so if I don't believe what Sharon says then why do you believe Michael is alive? we all know June 25 was a weird day because nothing added right? so Sharon shared her story with us through those interviews of what she witnessed that day, she doesn't have blogs or twitter or Facebook NOTHING she doesn't wanna be famous she just LOVES Michael in an unconditional way because she is following the trial in an almost daily basis, she even told me that she didn't know if Michael is coming back she only knows Michael is alive somewhere and the only thing she wants is JUSTICE for Michael, why I am not gonna believe her if she is saying what we all are saying from 4 years ago that the person or dummy on that stretcher wasn't Michael?

And talking about Pearl and this will be my last time because I respect Souza and she doesn't want us to talk about her is that when I met her I met the sweetest person (although you can't believe it) one person that is going almost everyday to the court because she is not sure about that trial, she thinks very ugly issues are going on behind scenes so she does believe the trial is real and having a coffee with her she told me almost crying that she can't sleep at night due to the trial, she said nothing makes sense and even thinks if Mrs Jackson wins that means Michael is dead and you know what? I had to comfort her telling her don't worry Michael is alive, with this I am trying to convey you the kind of person she is, she is much more humble than what she looks like in her vids or twitter, I think she has created a persona with a strong character that has nothing to do with her real life, she is very kind and loving person,she is very respected by everybody at the court and when I say everybody is EVERYBODY including Jackson's family and body guards, guys I don't wanna brainwash you but I think people is far from Pearl's reality which is just love and support to Michael and one of us "a beLIEver".
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on July 11, 2013, 05:16:37 PM
Thanks sweet for sharing your exeperience !!! :bearhug:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: charissa on July 11, 2013, 05:23:54 PM
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Thanks Sweet, should I know who Sharon Sidney is?!

we watched her videos curls. she is in you tube and likes getting attention. What Charissa says makes sense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65JsipHVOEY

Scorpion she doesn't like to get the attention she is just telling her truth, she seems to be very close to Jackson family due to she was an assiduous fan of which were in front of Michael's house in a daily basis.

Btw Scorpion sorry I didn't PM because I couldn't log into the forum while being in L.A, although the house I stayed was in front of Forest Lawn (Glendale) I didn't visit it, it gave me bad vibes, lol.

Someone who loiters outside of the gates of someone's house doesn't make them "close to the family'.

I don't believe this girl because of her tale of following the ambulance. There is no tactical way she could've done all she said she did in such short time.

1. She wouldn't have been allowed in the EMS entry area of the hospital. Only emergency vehicles and essential personnel are allowed. Family and friends of patients brought in via ambulance park elsewhere. This assures efficiency in the transport of patients.
2. She couldn't have parked in the designated parking areas and made it to the ER entrance where patients are brought in by ambulance IN TIME to see anyone on the stretcher. It's not tactically possible.
3. Her view would've been obstructed by security and reporters. No way she, as a "nobody" would've gotten that close.
4. Her statement is too precise, too practiced for her NOT to know about forums, youtube vids, etc. Anyone with as much conviction as she purports to have would definitely be reading and watching. AND she seems to show up at the right places. IN one video, she's at FL; in another, she's at the court house.

I could accept her as credible were it not for the exaggerated claims and the insistence she going on her gut, when it's clear she's more informed that what she states. I believe she's well informed and looking for attention.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: finfin on July 11, 2013, 06:21:34 PM

Take a look at the name and number on MJ's note from Blanket via  ABC7 Court News - it is none other than Sharon Sidney !!!

(credit to mjsmessenger on twitter)


 https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/355452104426524673

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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: charissa on July 11, 2013, 08:14:15 PM
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Take a look at the name and number on MJ's note from Blanket via  ABC7 Court News - it is none other than Sharon Sidney !!!

(credit to mjsmessenger on twitter)


 https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/355452104426524673

                                                                   (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BO7RzkNCEAAQVMz.jpg)

That number is registered to someone other than Sharon Sidney. I won't spam the person's name and address all over the web, but that's not Sharon Sydney's number. The writing looks to be hyper imposed, or layered over the original image. Apparently, Sharon Sidney, from Texas, DOES know more than she's letting on...One thing's for sure. She's a stalker. An unstable stalker.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: charissa on July 11, 2013, 08:31:01 PM
Sharon Sidney also has a history of frivolous (ridiculous) lawsuits involving Michael. Claims to be a member of the press in said lawsuit.

https://twitter.com/SerenityxDreams/status/355485985968095232/photo/1

From Pacer: (As soon as I can, I'll pull the info from my Pacer acct. & share it)

http://dockets.justia.com/docket/california/cacdce/2:2012cv05484/536084/

According to her lawsuit and her twitter acct, she believes God destined her and Michael to be together as man and wife. Her lawsuit also alleges the state, by prosecuting Murray, hindered her from rescuing the man she loves. (Her lawsuit docs are on her twitter page as well under pics and vids. Pay particular attention to paragraph 2 in her pleading.)

https://twitter.com/SharonBSidney

People, this is one UNSTABLE human being.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on July 11, 2013, 10:13:53 PM
I dunno about anyone else but... round of applause for charissa. Nice work.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: charissa on July 11, 2013, 10:55:41 PM
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I dunno about anyone else but... round of applause for charissa. Nice work.

Thank you, bec. There's more, too.

This one really struck a chord in me, seeing as we have a new member who's also a writer, writing a book about Michael. Seems everyone wants to be an author!

http://www.blogger.com/profile/01320670908407680188

I am a devout Christian whose goal in life is to please the Lord. I am currently writing a book about Michael Jackson which will include information concerning the Conrad Murray trial and am doing so and have created this blog specificly towards my efforts of pleasing God and providing news information along with godly spiritual guidance for those in Christ and those He calls. This is a work of the Lord whereby I "store up my treasures in heaven." sharonbsidney.blogspot.com


Sharon B. Sidney has been banned from several Michael Jackson online forums.

Then there's this:

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/jaepi2

DEAR FOLLOWERS, PLEASE REPORT THIS PRINCE&PARIS;STALKER, DANGEROUSLY UNSTABLE PERSON,@SharonBSidney this woman threw herself on the floor at LaToya book signing, now she is harassing the children, see her tweets! BUT First read this http://sharonbsidney.blogspot.com/ case she filed against the LA Superior court, stating the "Holly Spirit" informed her Michael is alive!!! The children should not be seeing crap like this, Sharon used to be a very nice person, i always knew she had mental problems, her latest outburst are a result of her association with Pearl Jr

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on July 11, 2013, 11:04:20 PM
The Holly Spirit, eh? Dear lord. 
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: charissa on July 11, 2013, 11:07:32 PM
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The Holly Spirit, eh? Dear lord.

Yeah, lol. It must've been around Christmas time when she received that divine revelation.

She also claims she accompanied Michael to Gary when he received the key to the city.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: scorpionchik on July 12, 2013, 12:27:20 AM
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Thanks Sweet, should I know who Sharon Sidney is?!

we watched her videos curls. she is in you tube and likes getting attention. What Charissa says makes sense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65JsipHVOEY

Scorpion she doesn't like to get the attention she is just telling her truth, she seems to be very close to Jackson family due to she was an assiduous fan of which were in front of Michael's house in a daily basis.

Btw Scorpion sorry I didn't PM because I couldn't log into the forum while being in L.A, although the house I stayed was in front of Forest Lawn (Glendale) I didn't visit it, it gave me bad vibes, lol.

Someone who loiters outside of the gates of someone's house doesn't make them "close to the family'.

I don't believe this girl because of her tale of following the ambulance. There is no tactical way she could've done all she said she did in such short time.


1. She wouldn't have been allowed in the EMS entry area of the hospital. Only emergency vehicles and essential personnel are allowed. Family and friends of patients brought in via ambulance park elsewhere. This assures efficiency in the transport of patients.
2. She couldn't have parked in the designated parking areas and made it to the ER entrance where patients are brought in by ambulance IN TIME to see anyone on the stretcher. It's not tactically possible.
3. Her view would've been obstructed by security and reporters. No way she, as a "nobody" would've gotten that close.
4. Her statement is too precise, too practiced for her NOT to know about forums, youtube vids, etc. Anyone with as much conviction as she purports to have would definitely be reading and watching. AND she seems to show up at the right places. IN one video, she's at FL; in another, she's at the court house.

I could accept her as credible were it not for the exaggerated claims and the insistence she going on her gut, when it's clear she's more informed that what she states. I believe she's well informed and looking for attention.


EXACTLY WHAT I MEANT CHARISSA. THANK YOU.   @SWEET BEFORE YOU MET THOSE PEOPLE, I HAD MET ALL OF THEM AND EVEN MORE PEOPLE WAY BEFORE YOU HAVE; IN THE COURT, AT FOREST LAWN, AT HAYVENHURST, ETC. AND HAVE MY STEADY OPINION ABOUT THEM AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS..   
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: scorpionchik on July 12, 2013, 12:36:23 AM
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I dunno about anyone else but... round of applause for charissa. Nice work.

Thank you, bec. There's more, too.

This one really struck a chord in me, seeing as we have a new member who's also a writer, writing a book about Michael. Seems everyone wants to be an author!

http://www.blogger.com/profile/01320670908407680188

I am a devout Christian whose goal in life is to please the Lord. I am currently writing a book about Michael Jackson which will include information concerning the Conrad Murray trial and am doing so and have created this blog specificly towards my efforts of pleasing God and providing news information along with godly spiritual guidance for those in Christ and those He calls. This is a work of the Lord whereby I "store up my treasures in heaven." sharonbsidney.blogspot.com


Sharon B. Sidney has been banned from several Michael Jackson online forums.

Then there's this:

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/jaepi2

DEAR FOLLOWERS, PLEASE REPORT THIS PRINCE&PARIS;STALKER, DANGEROUSLY UNSTABLE PERSON,@SharonBSidney this woman threw herself on the floor at LaToya book signing, now she is harassing the children, see her tweets! BUT First read this http://sharonbsidney.blogspot.com/ case she filed against the LA Superior court, stating the "Holly Spirit" informed her Michael is alive!!! The children should not be seeing crap like this, Sharon used to be a very nice person, i always knew she had mental problems, her latest outburst are a result of her association with Pearl Jr

Sounds like TS to me in those god talks  :icon_lol:           okay, so she is koo koo....
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on July 12, 2013, 12:46:18 AM
TS never harassed anyone, hasn't been banned from any online forums, and I'm pretty sure he knows how to spell "holy".
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: charissa on July 12, 2013, 01:20:11 AM
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I dunno about anyone else but... round of applause for charissa. Nice work.

Thank you, bec. There's more, too.

This one really struck a chord in me, seeing as we have a new member who's also a writer, writing a book about Michael. Seems everyone wants to be an author!

http://www.blogger.com/profile/01320670908407680188

I am a devout Christian whose goal in life is to please the Lord. I am currently writing a book about Michael Jackson which will include information concerning the Conrad Murray trial and am doing so and have created this blog specificly towards my efforts of pleasing God and providing news information along with godly spiritual guidance for those in Christ and those He calls. This is a work of the Lord whereby I "store up my treasures in heaven." sharonbsidney.blogspot.com


Sharon B. Sidney has been banned from several Michael Jackson online forums.

Then there's this:

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/jaepi2

DEAR FOLLOWERS, PLEASE REPORT THIS PRINCE&PARIS;STALKER, DANGEROUSLY UNSTABLE PERSON,@SharonBSidney this woman threw herself on the floor at LaToya book signing, now she is harassing the children, see her tweets! BUT First read this http://sharonbsidney.blogspot.com/ case she filed against the LA Superior court, stating the "Holly Spirit" informed her Michael is alive!!! The children should not be seeing crap like this, Sharon used to be a very nice person, i always knew she had mental problems, her latest outburst are a result of her association with Pearl Jr

Sounds like TS to me in those god talks  :icon_lol:           okay, so she is koo koo....

Cuckoo is an understatement!! I think this young lady might need to be the one in the UCLA psyche ward! It's disturbing that someone is delusional enough to claim what she says was a divine connection to Michael. It's downright scary that she seems to truly believe it. People like that have very little grip on reality and can dangerous in their delusions. I hope she gets some help.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on July 12, 2013, 04:37:35 AM
Charissa, indeed, so glad you're here! Awesome finds, thank you!  :th_bravo:
Are you suggesting that MissLed is Sharon Sidney, or just noting similarities? Interesting possibility.

Sweetsunset
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Bec I don't know but maybe she is the one because she told me she was talking directly with paramedics and I don't know who else and told her two different versions of the story that's why she started doubting they were saying the truth, anyway I have her email (because she doesn't follow twitter, fb) and I can ask her.
You're talking about how she had talked to Blount at UCLA on 'death' day, but he said something opposite in his Murray trial testimony.
Does anyone remember if TS mentioned this also or was it just the forum members?

This is part of the link Charissa gave: http://sharonbsidney.blogspot.ca/
(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/MJ%20forum%20screenshots/sharonsidneyonblountlyingonstand_zps8140bf78.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/lifeisamovie1/media/MJ%20forum%20screenshots/sharonsidneyonblountlyingonstand_zps8140bf78.jpg.html)

Okay now the rest of this blog is interesting but confusing too, talking also about William Amir Williams and security issues. I'm sorry but I don't have the intelligence to wrestle with all this, so I going to throw this all out to you if someone might see if I'm thinking any sense.

Front gave a tweet about " inducemenT.T.I.? :)", then, "1 hint---> affiliated name was mentioned in today's court tweets. :)"
Someone guessed it was about Tohme Tohme, but he said, "1st layer...now go deeper....." Could he be referring to Sharon Sidney & Michael Amir Williams, both mentioned today? I know she sounds batty, but could she be somehow tangled in some bigger web? Just throwing this out--totally confused. :-[

Now on ABC7 tws, shortly after the pic shown of MJ's note of Blanket's fav letters G&D, which included Sharon Sidney's name & number, the testimony of Taj was about this mysterious computer drive with maybe music in it that disappeared. Sharon mentions M W Williams as receiving some music she wanted to give to MJ--see the above same link.

Interesting in today's ABC7 tws:

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Michael Amir said there was no music in that computer. The Estate, thus, was not interested in the security computer.
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Taj said he called Michael Amir Williams but the password he gave him didn't work.
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Judge said the computer stuff had already been litigated during pretrial.
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Attorneys in the hallway said judge asked for it because she wanted to know why they were spending so much time on the computer issue.
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The music computer was given to the executors of Michael's estate, Taj said.
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"The Estate was looking for 4 hard drives with music in it," Taj said. He thought that's what was being given to him.
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Taj could not access it, since he didn't have the password.
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Taj: I turned 1 of them on, it had music files. Turned the other one on and had log in request, with Mr. Amir's name, asking for a password
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Taj is still working with MJ's Estate.
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Taj: It was known Estate was looking for music for MJ's new album. I'm assuming Jeffrey knew I was helping Estate out in that aspect of it.
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"He handed them to me," Taj said. They were Mac Towers. Taj is not sure whether he got the screen as well or not.
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Jeffrey Phillips, business partner of my aunt La Toya, gave him the computers, Taj said. He was at the Hayvenhurst house.
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One was a computer with music, one was a computer used by the security team, Taj said.
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He turned over the entire box to his lawyer. Taj said he was given two computers from the Carolwood house.
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"I protected that box with my life," Taj said. He kept it hidden in his closet of his house.
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The lawsuit was filed in 2010, Cahan said. Taj: "I don't even know they remembered I had the box."
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Taj turned over the box of documents to Sandra Ribera, one of the Jacksons attorney early this year.
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Taj took the box to his house. He said he skimmed through some of the documents. This was in the Summer of 2009.
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Taj said he received a computer for safe-keeping.
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"It was traumatic enough to be in that room so I just wanted to get out of there quickly," Taj recalled.
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"The box was given to me in the master bedroom, I just assumed the documents were from that area," Taj said.
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Taj said he only stayed in his uncle's master bedroom, closet and bathroom.
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He said it could be seen it was documents, that he threw in some stuff as well, but 95% of the stuff was already in the box.
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Taj: The idea of going there was to preserve the stuff. It's something someone can sell on eBay for hundreds of thousands of dollars
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Taj doesn't remember who handled him the box. It was a cardboard storage box.
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"When you travel a lot, living out of luggages, it's messy," Taj testified. "It looks like my place now," Taj said, laughing.
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Cahan asked if MJ was messy. Taj said he wasn't trying to defend his uncle, but understood him.
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Taj testified the house seemed normal, not messy. Taj went to MJ's bedroom on the second floor.
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Taj doesn't remember seeing La Toya that day.

"It's a time I'd rather forget," Taj said.
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Taj doesn't know when he went to Carolwood house. Rebbie and her daughter, Janet, Katherine, possibly Trent and 1 of his brothers were there
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Taj said he doesn't think MJ wanted to live at Neverland again. "It felt violated in a way, the purity of it. It didn't feel the same."
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"Everyone else is making money off of me, I want to take care of my family," Taj said MJ told him.
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Cahan asked if Taj was being paid to take care of MJ's storage. He said at first he didn't want to get paid, but MJ insisted.
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MJ had 2 storage lockers. One in Vegas is half of the size of the courtroom (30x37 feet) and the one in Buellton was at least 4 times bigger
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Taj said the storage was full with stuff from Neverland. It had furniture, arts, arcade games.
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Taj said MJ had sentimental things in the storage that he wanted to keep for his children.
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Taj: The storage unit got tied up and unfortunately we became the victims of it.
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Taj: A company sued our family for not performing at a certain event and they put a lien on the storage.
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Taj said his mom did the same thing, put her valuables in a safe. However, his mom's possession in the storage locker were auctioned off.
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Taj: He had been betrayed his whole life. He knew he could trust me and if something happened to him I would do the right thing.
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Taj said MJ wanted to put the storage facilities in Taj's name.

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"He was constantly recording and writing," Taj said. "He juggled a lot of things."
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Taj heard MJ was recording an album for the news or family members. The album started in 2008, Taj said.
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"I know MJ was on the phone once to stop an auction," Taj said. Call wasn't to Taj though, he doesn't recall talking to MJ on the phone.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 12, 2013, 07:57:11 AM
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Take a look at the name and number on MJ's note from Blanket via  ABC7 Court News - it is none other than Sharon Sidney !!!

(credit to mjsmessenger on twitter)


 https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/355452104426524673

                                                                   (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BO7RzkNCEAAQVMz.jpg)

That number is registered to someone other than Sharon Sidney. I won't spam the person's name and address all over the web, but that's not Sharon Sydney's number. The writing looks to be hyper imposed, or layered over the original image. Apparently, Sharon Sidney, from Texas, DOES know more than she's letting on...One thing's for sure. She's a stalker. An unstable stalker.

Thanks for sharing Charissa, that's not her number at least the one she gave me although now I am not sure if the one she gave me is the real or not, lol.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 12, 2013, 08:08:35 AM
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Sharon Sidney also has a history of frivolous (ridiculous) lawsuits involving Michael. Claims to be a member of the press in said lawsuit.

https://twitter.com/SerenityxDreams/status/355485985968095232/photo/1

From Pacer: (As soon as I can, I'll pull the info from my Pacer acct. & share it)

http://dockets.justia.com/docket/california/cacdce/2:2012cv05484/536084/

According to her lawsuit and her twitter acct, she believes God destined her and Michael to be together as man and wife. Her lawsuit also alleges the state, by prosecuting Murray, hindered her from rescuing the man she loves. (Her lawsuit docs are on her twitter page as well under pics and vids. Pay particular attention to paragraph 2 in her pleading.)

https://twitter.com/SharonBSidney

People, this is one UNSTABLE human being.

Now I wonder: if she has been so dangerous stalker and has even filed against the L.A Superior Court I don't know how is she being allowed to enter the court room and sit next to Mrs Jackson, this story sounds very fishy to me, what if she is working with Michael due to she was the one to say the person on the stretcher was too short and those words were the prelude to the consequent hoax to let the whole world learn about Michael's plans faking his own "death"? maybe because she was being a close fan Michael trusted her this assignment.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 12, 2013, 08:23:47 AM
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I dunno about anyone else but... round of applause for charissa. Nice work.

Thank you, bec. There's more, too.

This one really struck a chord in me, seeing as we have a new member who's also a writer, writing a book about Michael. Seems everyone wants to be an author!

http://www.blogger.com/profile/01320670908407680188

I am a devout Christian whose goal in life is to please the Lord. I am currently writing a book about Michael Jackson which will include information concerning the Conrad Murray trial and am doing so and have created this blog specificly towards my efforts of pleasing God and providing news information along with godly spiritual guidance for those in Christ and those He calls. This is a work of the Lord whereby I "store up my treasures in heaven." sharonbsidney.blogspot.com


Sharon B. Sidney has been banned from several Michael Jackson online forums.

Then there's this:

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/jaepi2

DEAR FOLLOWERS, PLEASE REPORT THIS PRINCE&PARIS;STALKER, DANGEROUSLY UNSTABLE PERSON,@SharonBSidney this woman threw herself on the floor at LaToya book signing, now she is harassing the children, see her tweets! BUT First read this http://sharonbsidney.blogspot.com/ case she filed against the LA Superior court, stating the "Holly Spirit" informed her Michael is alive!!! The children should not be seeing crap like this, Sharon used to be a very nice person, i always knew she had mental problems, her latest outburst are a result of her association with Pearl Jr

Obviously Sharon has lied to me maybe knowing I was a member of the most important Hoax Forum on the internet.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 12, 2013, 08:34:02 AM
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Thanks Sweet, should I know who Sharon Sidney is?!

we watched her videos curls. she is in you tube and likes getting attention. What Charissa says makes sense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65JsipHVOEY

Scorpion she doesn't like to get the attention she is just telling her truth, she seems to be very close to Jackson family due to she was an assiduous fan of which were in front of Michael's house in a daily basis.

Btw Scorpion sorry I didn't PM because I couldn't log into the forum while being in L.A, although the house I stayed was in front of Forest Lawn (Glendale) I didn't visit it, it gave me bad vibes, lol.

Someone who loiters outside of the gates of someone's house doesn't make them "close to the family'.

I don't believe this girl because of her tale of following the ambulance. There is no tactical way she could've done all she said she did in such short time.


1. She wouldn't have been allowed in the EMS entry area of the hospital. Only emergency vehicles and essential personnel are allowed. Family and friends of patients brought in via ambulance park elsewhere. This assures efficiency in the transport of patients.
2. She couldn't have parked in the designated parking areas and made it to the ER entrance where patients are brought in by ambulance IN TIME to see anyone on the stretcher. It's not tactically possible.
3. Her view would've been obstructed by security and reporters. No way she, as a "nobody" would've gotten that close.
4. Her statement is too precise, too practiced for her NOT to know about forums, youtube vids, etc. Anyone with as much conviction as she purports to have would definitely be reading and watching. AND she seems to show up at the right places. IN one video, she's at FL; in another, she's at the court house.

I could accept her as credible were it not for the exaggerated claims and the insistence she going on her gut, when it's clear she's more informed that what she states. I believe she's well informed and looking for attention.


EXACTLY WHAT I MEANT CHARISSA. THANK YOU.   @SWEET BEFORE YOU MET THOSE PEOPLE, I HAD MET ALL OF THEM AND EVEN MORE PEOPLE WAY BEFORE YOU HAVE; IN THE COURT, AT FOREST LAWN, AT HAYVENHURST, ETC. AND HAVE MY STEADY OPINION ABOUT THEM AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS..   

Yes you are right with the difference that you are living in L.A and I spent all my savings to be near the scene where Michael started his hoax and witness the trial in live and with the difference that your first language is english and mine is spanish. Take note that I'm not talking about my experience in L.A to make myself somebody important and different than others here but to contribute if possible but it seems to bother you.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 12, 2013, 08:49:58 AM
MJonmind:

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Bec I don't know but maybe she is the one because she told me she was talking directly with paramedics and I don't know who else and told her two different versions of the story that's why she started doubting they were saying the truth, anyway I have her email (because she doesn't follow twitter, fb) and I can ask her.
You're talking about how she had talked to Blount at UCLA on 'death' day, but he said something opposite in his Murray trial testimony.

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,22447.msg444451.html#new


I think so, anyway I have contacted her but I am not sure if she is gonna answer me, I want to clarified I was pleased to meet her because she has been somebody relevant to this hoax since she stated the body on the stretcher wasn't MJ but if she turns out to be a stalker or whatever I will still be pleased to have met her, I didn't go to the Court to meet her it was just a fluke.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 12, 2013, 09:24:38 AM
Btw guys I do believe Sharon Sidney is a stalker after reading her tweets to Paris, Prince... I don't think she is working with Michael unless this is all a script what I doubt.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on July 12, 2013, 09:33:09 AM
So .... Sweet mentions she met Sharon Sidney ..... I ask who she is ..... we begin a discussion on her claims ..... her name and (incorrrect) number appear in court on MJ's handwritten note about Blanket .... and all sorts is uncovered about her.  I don't know what to make of this - and her, to be honest. Suspicious to say the least.

(If I had my very oversized hoax hat on, I might be tempted to say MJ read our early talk about SS and very recently added her name and number to that note!!)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 12, 2013, 09:49:18 AM
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So .... Sweet mentions she met Sharon Sidney ..... I ask who she is ..... we begin a discussion on her claims ..... her name and (incorrrect) number appear in court on MJ's handwritten note about Blanket .... and all sorts is uncovered about her.  I don't know what to make of this - and her, to be honest. Suspicious to say the least.

(If I had my very oversized hoax hat on, I might be tempted to say MJ read our early talk about SS and very recently added her name and number to that note!!)

 :LolLolLolLol:  You might be right.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on July 12, 2013, 10:19:19 AM
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Someone who loiters outside of the gates of someone's house doesn't make them "close to the family'.

 :LolLolLolLol:
 :th_bravo:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: charissa on July 12, 2013, 11:11:03 AM
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So .... Sweet mentions she met Sharon Sidney ..... I ask who she is ..... we begin a discussion on her claims ..... her name and (incorrrect) number appear in court on MJ's handwritten note about Blanket .... and all sorts is uncovered about her.  I don't know what to make of this - and her, to be honest. Suspicious to say the least.

(If I had my very oversized hoax hat on, I might be tempted to say MJ read our early talk about SS and very recently added her name and number to that note!!)


Suspicious is right, curls. I considered this, too, but it doesn't really look like his handwriting, and he gave the wrong number, too; however, Someone wrote it on there. I'm of the belief that Michael isn't the only person who can manipulate circumstances. For example, this person could read here, know she was mentioned, and have access to a means of getting her name made public.

I don't think I ever clarified - Was that note a piece of evidence used in this trial? Was it one of the exhibits?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: charissa on July 12, 2013, 11:13:35 AM
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Charissa, indeed, so glad you're here! Awesome finds, thank you!  :th_bravo:
Are you suggesting that MissLed is Sharon Sidney, or just noting similarities? Interesting possibility.

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Nah, I was just noting the similarities with regards to the writing.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on July 12, 2013, 08:09:56 PM
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Someone who loiters outside of the gates of someone's house doesn't make them "close to the family'.

 :LolLolLolLol:
 :th_bravo:


 :th_bravo:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: scorpionchik on July 12, 2013, 10:38:53 PM
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Thanks Sweet, should I know who Sharon Sidney is?!

we watched her videos curls. she is in you tube and likes getting attention. What Charissa says makes sense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65JsipHVOEY

Scorpion she doesn't like to get the attention she is just telling her truth, she seems to be very close to Jackson family due to she was an assiduous fan of which were in front of Michael's house in a daily basis.

Btw Scorpion sorry I didn't PM because I couldn't log into the forum while being in L.A, although the house I stayed was in front of Forest Lawn (Glendale) I didn't visit it, it gave me bad vibes, lol.

Someone who loiters outside of the gates of someone's house doesn't make them "close to the family'.

I don't believe this girl because of her tale of following the ambulance. There is no tactical way she could've done all she said she did in such short time.


1. She wouldn't have been allowed in the EMS entry area of the hospital. Only emergency vehicles and essential personnel are allowed. Family and friends of patients brought in via ambulance park elsewhere. This assures efficiency in the transport of patients.
2. She couldn't have parked in the designated parking areas and made it to the ER entrance where patients are brought in by ambulance IN TIME to see anyone on the stretcher. It's not tactically possible.
3. Her view would've been obstructed by security and reporters. No way she, as a "nobody" would've gotten that close.
4. Her statement is too precise, too practiced for her NOT to know about forums, youtube vids, etc. Anyone with as much conviction as she purports to have would definitely be reading and watching. AND she seems to show up at the right places. IN one video, she's at FL; in another, she's at the court house.

I could accept her as credible were it not for the exaggerated claims and the insistence she going on her gut, when it's clear she's more informed that what she states. I believe she's well informed and looking for attention.


EXACTLY WHAT I MEANT CHARISSA. THANK YOU.   @SWEET BEFORE YOU MET THOSE PEOPLE, I HAD MET ALL OF THEM AND EVEN MORE PEOPLE WAY BEFORE YOU HAVE; IN THE COURT, AT FOREST LAWN, AT HAYVENHURST, ETC. AND HAVE MY STEADY OPINION ABOUT THEM AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS..   

Yes you are right with the difference that you are living in L.A and I spent all my savings to be near the scene where Michael started his hoax and witness the trial in live and with the difference that your first language is english and mine is spanish. Take note that I'm not talking about my experience in L.A to make myself somebody important and different than others here but to contribute if possible but it seems to bother you.

Nothing bothers me sweet and English is NOT my first language either but 3d    ;D
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on July 13, 2013, 01:46:32 AM
Kenny Ortega brings tearful testimony to Michael Jackson death trial - CNN.com
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KO says he hadn't seen Michael for a week on 19 June. LIE! M went to rehearsals at the Forum on 16, 17, 18, AND 19 June. I was there so ??


If Ortega is able to lie, I'm wondering how many have lied to us so far   :icon_eek:  :icon_rolleyes:  :icon_lol: !!!!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on July 13, 2013, 02:09:18 AM
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Judge said the attorneys had to discuss issues that takes some time. Deborah Chang, attorney for the Jacksons, doing direct examination.

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Taj: Some people would argue we were his (MJ) children before he had his children

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"He was definitely our mentor, everything we did in life we kind of geared to what he was doing," Taj explained.

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Taj said he has several handwritten notes from MJ that he saved as keepsake.

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Note MJ wrote: Taj, I love you all and am proud of you. PS. please rehearse

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Taj said it is written in a Neverland stationary, has the logo at the bottom.

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"He wrote various notes to me like this," Taj said. "That was probably from my mom telling him we were not rehearsing that much."

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Taj was the piano player. MJ bought him his first instruments.

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Note MJ wrote Taj.
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Chang showed a picture of MJ getting his Hollywood Walk of Fame star. Taj and TJ were present.
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Taj said MJ would ask him to watch his kids when he needed. He was also in charge of MJ's storage.

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"It would be foolish not to ask his advise," Taj said, explaining they could, and would, ask anything they wanted.

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"He picked out a lot of our songs, some we didn't like that much and he told us why they were important," Taj testified.

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Taj: He was a perfectionist when it came to his craft. He would study, study, study, and tell us to study the greatest, top 10 singers.

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"The demo sounded a little old fashioned, we couldn't hear what he was hearing," Taj said about "I Need You" song.

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Taj said they were recording down the street from MJ's recording studio. His uncle lent his voice to the end of the song.

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Taj: What's most amazing, it was all in one take, he didn't try again, all you hear was all in one take

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The song "I Need You" was a success for them. Chang played a snippet of the music video. MJ was not part of it, just his voice.

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"We were always trying to do what our uncle was doing," Taj said, mentioning the choir in the song.

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Taj said MJ would tell him 'you have to carry on the legacy, carry on the torch when I retire.'

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Michael taught Taj and his siblings to listen to the same music several times and hear different instruments each time.

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"I don't want to give out too many secrets," Taj said, laughing.

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Taj: For him it was about studying, that's what we learned as well. I started at 12 years old, but didn't start 3T until I was about 19.

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Taj said he and MJ share their mutual love for music and movies. They would watch it in different ways, once without sound, then with sound.

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"It was kind of intimidating to me," Taj said, since he didn't know much about movie and said he needed to learn a lot to become a filmmaker

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Taj said the robot transformer in the "Moonwalker" film was in their honor, because they loved the transformers.

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"He was constantly studying and reading about directing, he knew it back and forth and would test us," Taj said.

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MJ hired a USC professor to teach him movie directing. Taj said the children also learned from the professor.

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Taj said MJ loved King Tut, he loved Egypt, egyptian culture.

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MJ wanted him to study 3D, Taj said, since he loved the technology and wanted to do things with it. He wanted Taj to master it.

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Captain EO was directed by Francis Ford Coppola and is playing at Disneyland. It's a 3D science fiction film with MJ's music.

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Taj said he would stay with his uncle weeks at times. He said he lived at Neverland for about a year, majority of times with his uncle.

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Taj said he witnessed MJ writing notes to himself. He said he learned it from his uncle and keeps notes himself nowadays.

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"He liked to conduct meetings usually over the phone," Taj said. MJ would keep the phone on speaker so Taj would learn the business dealings

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Taj estimated over 100 meetings over the phone, probably over 20 in person.

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Michael believed in "What you conceive, you believe, you achieve," Taj testified.

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Taj said MJ would write down his ideas and what he wanted to achieve. He would see his uncle write on anything he could write.

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Chang showed picture of a mirror with several notes hang on it. "Michael was very sentimental," Taj said.

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Taj said MJ kept several items as mementos. Taj ran through a window at Neverland when he was 3 and MJ kept the blanket he was wrapped in.

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Taj explained the system MJ had in his life. Types of Documents 1- Inspirational ("Law of Attraction")

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2- Loving Keepsakes (notes) 3- "To Do" Topics to Cover During Meetings to Have Others Do

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Taj said after MJ died he went to Carolwood house to collect some of MJ's belongings. He said he wanted to keep them for his cousins.

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Taj said when his mother died, he lost a lot of things either in storage or they were auctioned off and it was very painful for them.

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Taj retrieved a box of documents from MJ's storage. The attorneys stipulated some of the notes were MJ's handwriting.

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Judge then broke session for lunch. Testimony should resume within 30 minutes.

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Taj said MJ loved King Tut, he loved Egypt, egyptian culture.
I don't know whay but the King Tu reminded me about Withney Houston funeral  :icon_eek: !!!!

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Taj said MJ kept several items as mementos. Taj ran through a window at Neverland when he was 3 and MJ kept the blanket he was wrapped in.
Another LIE ,cause Taj was not 3 when MJ had Neverland  :icon_eek:  :icon_rolleyes: !!!!!
Toriano Adaryll Jackson II. ("Taj") (born August 4, 1973)




Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 13, 2013, 04:36:30 AM
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Thanks Sweet, should I know who Sharon Sidney is?!

we watched her videos curls. she is in you tube and likes getting attention. What Charissa says makes sense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65JsipHVOEY

Scorpion she doesn't like to get the attention she is just telling her truth, she seems to be very close to Jackson family due to she was an assiduous fan of which were in front of Michael's house in a daily basis.

Btw Scorpion sorry I didn't PM because I couldn't log into the forum while being in L.A, although the house I stayed was in front of Forest Lawn (Glendale) I didn't visit it, it gave me bad vibes, lol.

Someone who loiters outside of the gates of someone's house doesn't make them "close to the family'.

I don't believe this girl because of her tale of following the ambulance. There is no tactical way she could've done all she said she did in such short time.


1. She wouldn't have been allowed in the EMS entry area of the hospital. Only emergency vehicles and essential personnel are allowed. Family and friends of patients brought in via ambulance park elsewhere. This assures efficiency in the transport of patients.
2. She couldn't have parked in the designated parking areas and made it to the ER entrance where patients are brought in by ambulance IN TIME to see anyone on the stretcher. It's not tactically possible.
3. Her view would've been obstructed by security and reporters. No way she, as a "nobody" would've gotten that close.
4. Her statement is too precise, too practiced for her NOT to know about forums, youtube vids, etc. Anyone with as much conviction as she purports to have would definitely be reading and watching. AND she seems to show up at the right places. IN one video, she's at FL; in another, she's at the court house.

I could accept her as credible were it not for the exaggerated claims and the insistence she going on her gut, when it's clear she's more informed that what she states. I believe she's well informed and looking for attention.


EXACTLY WHAT I MEANT CHARISSA. THANK YOU.   @SWEET BEFORE YOU MET THOSE PEOPLE, I HAD MET ALL OF THEM AND EVEN MORE PEOPLE WAY BEFORE YOU HAVE; IN THE COURT, AT FOREST LAWN, AT HAYVENHURST, ETC. AND HAVE MY STEADY OPINION ABOUT THEM AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS..   

Yes you are right with the difference that you are living in L.A and I spent all my savings to be near the scene where Michael started his hoax and witness the trial in live and with the difference that your first language is english and mine is spanish. Take note that I'm not talking about my experience in L.A to make myself somebody important and different than others here but to contribute if possible but it seems to bother you.

Nothing bothers me sweet and English is NOT my first language either but 3d    ;D

Never mind I still love you  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on July 13, 2013, 01:31:06 PM
This is all quite fascinating! Sweet, just the fact that you say SS sat right next to Katherine is just well odd--and telling. I mean KJ would have security all the time.

Applehead, perhaps the game here, is catch all the specific lies. So not only was it a lie since Taj was born in 1975 & MJ purchased Neverland in 1988, or Taj was much older than he let on, but also the pic of the rollercoaster:

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Photo of Taj and Michael Jackson at Neverland in a roller coast. Also shown last time around. pic.twitter.com/27L50Hhjg2
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Someone commented that it was a pic from Disney World. 2 lies at least and probably many more.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: julia142 on July 14, 2013, 01:04:40 AM
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Thanks Sweet, should I know who Sharon Sidney is?!

we watched her videos curls. she is in you tube and likes getting attention. What Charissa says makes sense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65JsipHVOEY

Scorpion she doesn't like to get the attention she is just telling her truth, she seems to be very close to Jackson family due to she was an assiduous fan of which were in front of Michael's house in a daily basis.

Btw Scorpion sorry I didn't PM because I couldn't log into the forum while being in L.A, although the house I stayed was in front of Forest Lawn (Glendale) I didn't visit it, it gave me bad vibes, lol.

No problem sweet. I would suggest you not to believe everything people say. Pearl keeps saying she is insider but she met a few times with couple of Jacksons in the past that's all.That doesn't make her insider.Same with this persona.   I met Katherine and La TOya in the court during Murray trial, Katherine looked exactly in my eyes when I said hello to her and replied, so should I make big deal  out of this ?

I happened the same with Mrs Jackson I even talked to her and took her hand and that doesn't make us insiders, so if I don't believe what Sharon says then why do you believe Michael is alive? we all know June 25 was a weird day because nothing added right? so Sharon shared her story with us through those interviews of what she witnessed that day, she doesn't have blogs or twitter or Facebook NOTHING she doesn't wanna be famous she just LOVES Michael in an unconditional way because she is following the trial in an almost daily basis, she even told me that she didn't know if Michael is coming back she only knows Michael is alive somewhere and the only thing she wants is JUSTICE for Michael, why I am not gonna believe her if she is saying what we all are saying from 4 years ago that the person or dummy on that stretcher wasn't Michael?

And talking about Pearl and this will be my last time because I respect Souza and she doesn't want us to talk about her is that when I met her I met the sweetest person (although you can't believe it) one person that is going almost everyday to the court because she is not sure about that trial, she thinks very ugly issues are going on behind scenes so she does believe the trial is real and having a coffee with her she told me almost crying that she can't sleep at night due to the trial, she said nothing makes sense and even thinks if Mrs Jackson wins that means Michael is dead and you know what? I had to comfort her telling her don't worry Michael is alive, with this I am trying to convey you the kind of person she is, she is much more humble than what she looks like in her vids or twitter, I think she has created a persona with a strong character that has nothing to do with her real life, she is very kind and loving person,she is very respected by everybody at the court and when I say everybody is EVERYBODY including Jackson's family and body guards, guys I don't wanna brainwash you but I think people is far from Pearl's reality which is just love and support to Michael and one of us "a beLIEver".

Absolutely agree with you, I also met Pearl with European reporters in 2010, and this is also the same person you talk about I met. And his husband also is very lovely.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on July 14, 2013, 01:49:13 AM
No more Pearl talk, period; per: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,24002.0.html

Thank you for your cooperation.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 14, 2013, 05:08:02 AM
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This is all quite fascinating! Sweet, just the fact that you say SS sat right next to Katherine is just well odd--and telling. I mean KJ would have security all the time.

Applehead, perhaps the game here, is catch all the specific lies. So not only was it a lie since Taj was born in 1975 & MJ purchased Neverland in 1988, or Taj was much older than he let on, but also the pic of the rollercoaster:

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Photo of Taj and Michael Jackson at Neverland in a roller coast. Also shown last time around. pic.twitter.com/27L50Hhjg2
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Someone commented that it was a pic from Disney World. 2 lies at least and probably many more.

Sorry MJonmind there's a confusion there, SS sat right next to me but both of us very near Mrs Jackson, of course Mrs Jackson is always perfectly escorted by "the big man" that is how I call him who is the son of Joe Jackson's brother so Michael's cousin + 2 more men that were waiting outside the courtroom, she is so sweet and so beautiful in person and I told her that she gave birth the most beautiful human being on earth, I didn't mean to stalk her because I went to the Court randomly due to it was the only place I could meet Pearl cause she lived one hour far from where I lived and casually the 2 days I went to the Court Mrs Jackson was there, btw I forgot to tell you that the number of the chair Mrs Jackson was sitting was # 17 the reverse number of the ambulance, lol.

Going back to Sharon Sidney I have this information from Pj:

Now, Katherine just hugged Sharon yesterday at the Court and I've known Sharon since 2005 trial when she befriended me and suggested I sit directly behind the Jacksons and I did.
 
I've always felt that Sharon was a Jackson insider who is the middle man for the things they want to happen but anonymously.  I think Sharon has been assigned to me for years now.
 
She has recently started to open up more.  She just told me she drove with Frank Dileo to the 2005 trial, so she's definitely an insider.
 
She also told me that MJ would call her and they'd talk on the phone, well now we have proof.  Finally the absolute proof Sharon is a Jackson insider.
 
Sharon's phone # on MJ's note is wonderful because it's a HUGE CLUE for us that he's alive. That WAS Sharon's phone # when she lived in Santa Maria near MJ's Neverland.  It's 4 years later and Sharon has a new phone # now (I "sweetsunset" have her actual phone #). If you notice on that note, he uses another pen to write Sharon's phone number.  I think he just added that recently. 
 
Now, they showed that note at least 3 times and I wondered why they kept bringing it up, plus Sharon had a pair of binoculars with her that day, which I found strange.  She said she had them so she can read what's on the notes in court.  I couldn't make it out when I was in court.  It wasn't until Psychic Jane sent it to me that I saw her number.  It's for sure a clue that he is alive, plus Katherine and Sharon talking together in court is surely a clue that Kate knows what's going on and is NOT mad with beLIEvers.
 
Now, Alan Duke of CNN was on TV with Sharon talking about MJ is NOT dead but kidnapped, but she didn't offer anything sensible, just crazy talk about Zombie drugs and MJ kidnapped and forced to record music.  None of the BeLIEvers feel MJ has been kidnapped.
 
About the lawsuit Sharon filed.  I think it was just so they'd have something on file in the legal system about MJ not being dead, and have it dismissed because now, the law had an opportunity to visit the claim that MJ is NOT dead, but dismissed it.
 
Furthermore, in that lawsuit, Sharon did not mention anything substantial to prove that MJ is alive either, so I'm not sure, it will work as effectively as they hope when the time is right to use this move.
 
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 14, 2013, 05:19:49 AM
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No more Pearl talk, period; per: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,24002.0.html

Thank you for your cooperation.

Sorry I posted before reading your post, hope the info I brought is for forum's sake if you think I should delete it please let me know, in this case I wasn't talking about Pearl but I used her info about Sharon Sidney to help clarify about this character who has been our main subject lately.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on July 14, 2013, 10:26:12 AM
You're fine, sweet, let's move forward.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 14, 2013, 12:30:04 PM
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You're fine, sweet, let's move forward.

Thanks honey.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on July 14, 2013, 04:12:52 PM
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You're fine, sweet, let's move forward.

Thanks honey.


 :bearhug:  forever UNITED IN L.O.V.E.  :bearhug:  :moonwalk_:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: wishingstar on July 15, 2013, 12:03:52 AM
This article popped up on Twitter......talks directly about Miss Katherine's involvement with the trial.
I found it interesting how she is about to take the stand herself, apparently.  Thought I'd post it
here, in case it was missed......hope all are doing well!  Love and hugs to you.....

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/14/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/index.html?sr=sharebar_twitter

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on July 15, 2013, 06:31:45 AM
Thanks for posting wishy!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: wishingstar on July 15, 2013, 10:17:25 AM
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Thanks for posting wishy!

Anytime angel! Hope all is well with you : ) Love Ya.......
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on July 15, 2013, 10:32:34 AM
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Thanks for posting wishy!

Anytime angel! Hope all is well with you : ) Love Ya.......

All is very well, just really busy running a business. I read more than post these days and I'm not doing anything on twitter as its too distracting and time consuming sifting thru the crap within the MJfandom.

But always will be a Knower!  Even if I'm quiet on the forum! Thanks for your well wishes. Love ya more x
 
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on July 15, 2013, 08:47:46 PM
are declaring a dude of name Arthur Erk, boring
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on July 15, 2013, 11:33:07 PM
There are some very important details coming out in the trial today.  Like these from Anthony McCartney:

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 3h

Katherine Jackson said her son didn't want to be performing the Moonwalk on stage when he was 50.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 3h

In it, Mrs. Jackson says she was surprised to see her son announcing the "This Is It" tour. She recounted his statement re: touring.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 3h

AEG Live defense attorney Sabrina Strong played a clip from Katherine Jackson's April 20, 2013, deposition in court today.




These from ABC7:

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4m

O2 arena has 20K seat capacity. They sold 750K tickets for 50 shows. Erk said 1.4% of Great Britain's population bought tickets for the show

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5m

Erk said AEG determined what the gross revenue would be 4 tickets, estimated merchandise sales 4 shows based on 30 shows originally, not 50

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m

Tier 1 are top artists: U2, Madonna, Bruce Springsteen, Bon Jovi, Erk said. “MJ is in a class of his own, King of Pop, no one came close."
Expand
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 6m

Erk explained that Tier 1 is what is reasonably assured MJ would've done, no speculation, very conservative estimate.
Expand
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 6m

Erk said MJ's albums did “quite fantastically” worldwide, sales doubled and tripled around the world.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on July 16, 2013, 03:39:51 AM
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There are some very important details coming out in the trial today.  Like these from Anthony McCartney:

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 3h

Katherine Jackson said her son didn't want to be performing the Moonwalk on stage when he was 50.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 3h

In it, Mrs. Jackson says she was surprised to see her son announcing the "This Is It" tour. She recounted his statement re: touring.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 3h

AEG Live defense attorney Sabrina Strong played a clip from Katherine Jackson's April 20, 2013, deposition in court today.




These from ABC7:

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4m

O2 arena has 20K seat capacity. They sold 750K tickets for 50 shows. Erk said 1.4% of Great Britain's population bought tickets for the show

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5m

Erk said AEG determined what the gross revenue would be 4 tickets, estimated merchandise sales 4 shows based on 30 shows originally, not 50

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m

Tier 1 are top artists: U2, Madonna, Bruce Springsteen, Bon Jovi, Erk said. “MJ is in a class of his own, King of Pop, no one came close."
Expand
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 6m

Erk explained that Tier 1 is what is reasonably assured MJ would've done, no speculation, very conservative estimate.
Expand
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 6m

Erk said MJ's albums did “quite fantastically” worldwide, sales doubled and tripled around the world.

 :icon_e_confused:i thought it was billie jean , which :icon_e_wink:he did differently.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on July 16, 2013, 01:30:32 PM
So, which is it - you can't present MJ as not wanting to be moonwalking aged 50, in one breath, and yet going on tours till he's 65 making billions, in the next! You can't have him as a druggie unable to perform aged 50, yet speculate he's healthy enough to go on till 65. Wonder if the jury is noticing these inconsistencies.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: wishingstar on July 16, 2013, 02:15:52 PM
Such an odd day yesterday.......the whole talk about the movie going on tour.......and the quote above about Michael not wanting to Moonwalk on stage at 50......
lol, the first thing I thought when I read that is,,,,OK, maybe he doesn't want to Moonwalk "on stage"....but what about the big screen.  Then it dawned on me, I am not
sure we saw him Moonwalk in TII, did we?  I mean truly and fully....hummm, not sure.  I think we mentioned it here a very long time ago.  So this quote from Miss Katherine
is very interesting to me for some reason.  It's been talked about Michael still danced every day, kept in shape etc.  So not wanting to perform his most famous dance
move as part of his major comeback.....not buying it.  Michael has always said how much he loves his fans....I would think he'd give them the Moonwalk as long as he's
capable.  Anyways.....just thinking out loud here. 

*on a side note.....I have missed y'all quite a bit...been hangin' on Twitter, just learning something new.  All of this online stuff is still quite new to me, lol.  I still don't FB...
just can't see myself getting caught up in that one.  Forum is still home : ) You're always in my heart......love you guys!

Blessings Always
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 16, 2013, 02:59:18 PM
Michael didn't moonwalk at TII because the movie was made for controversy, using special lighting and some awkward movements Michael presented us the illusion of different Michaels or impersonators.
Talking about dancers and 50 years old, what about Alicia Alonso cuban Ballet dancer: Alonso danced solos in Europe and elsewhere well into her 70s, although her near blindness became increasingly apparent. In 1995, she and a number of other aging National Ballet members performed in San Francisco in a piece called In the Middle of the Sunset.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alicia_Alonso
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on July 16, 2013, 04:16:49 PM
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So, which is it - you can't present MJ as not wanting to be moonwalking aged 50, in one breath, and yet going on tours till he's 65 making billions, in the next! You can't have him as a druggie unable to perform aged 50, yet speculate he's healthy enough to go on till 65. Wonder if the jury is noticing these inconsistencies.


 :th_bravo:  Totally agree
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on July 16, 2013, 04:35:46 PM
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So not wanting to perform his most famous dance move as part of his major comeback.....not buying it.

Thanks Wish, I'm not buying it either. I totally agree. I think that Mrs. Katherine meant that Michael would never perform the Moonwalk on stage for AEG. Maybe it wasn't reported right or it was a typo and she might have said that Michael wouldn't do the Moonwalk at 50, meaning not his age but at those 50 concerts. The Moonwalk is his personal trademark and he's the only one who decides when or when not perform his dance.

At around 5:07 there was a glimpse of the Moonwalk, but not the REAL one ;D
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4VWs3gg_AM [/youtube]

Love you too Wish  :bearhug:



@Sweetsunset: love your story about Alicia Alonso. Age is just a number. .James Brown did amazing dance performances at the age of 72. 
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on July 16, 2013, 05:01:32 PM
I understand the 'not wanting to be moonwalking at 50' comment to mean that he wanted to be doing something else, something new and different at 50, not the same 'old stuff', for want of a better phrase, that he'd been doing the past 25 years.  I don't think he was referring to TII specifically, because I personally don't think it was ever meant to be a series of live concerts.  I took it as a more general comment relating to the future and what he did or didn't want to be doing aged 50. Makes total sense when you think of how much he talked about moving into film-making etc.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: santiago on July 16, 2013, 05:16:33 PM
the comments about michael not wanting to moonwalk in his 50s got me thinking something ive been thinking for years.. MJ was innovative, he wanted to create NEW things, give birth to art, renew himself every once in a while, if not every day, i know i do.. it mustve been in a sense very suffocating knowing your audience expects the same things all over again decade after decade.. I mean moonwalk was something he invented in his early twenties.. it embodied the energy, the vitality and power of a young intense man.. no doubt he still is powerful and very vital, but also a father and a man who's seen it all, he's not a young tiger, but a wise elephant (albeit a very handsome one)..  if he kept doing the same things all over again, of course it wont be the same, i mean compare a 25 year old to a 50 year old and there's a difference. it's only natural. of course he can do the moonwalk. no doubt about it. but i bet it gets boring to answer to the same expectations year after year, tour after tour, show after show, for someone as extraordinarily talented and mind-blowingly creative as he is. .. there's so much more in him to share. and now if we think about michael having achieved professionally everything there is to achieve and wanting to move on to films and such. it sort of makes sense to me, him not wanting to moonwalk in his 50s.. the creation is ever-evolving and my thoughts are that he mustve felt a little trapped in his greatness.. maybe that's partly why KOP had to go. to claim his artistic freedom back, without the same wants and needs of his audience that followed him through decades. jmo.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Loves2Fish on July 16, 2013, 05:39:35 PM
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the comments about michael not wanting to moonwalk in his 50s got me thinking something ive been thinking for years.. MJ was innovative, he wanted to create NEW things, give birth to art, renew himself every once in a while, if not every day, i know i do.. it mustve been in a sense very suffocating knowing your audience expects the same things all over again decade after decade.. I mean moonwalk was something he invented in his early twenties.. it embodied the energy, the vitality and power of a young intense man.. no doubt he still is powerful and very vital, but also a father and a man who's seen it all, he's not a young tiger, but a wise elephant (albeit a very handsome one)..  if he kept doing the same things all over again, of course it wont be the same, i mean compare a 25 year old to a 50 year old and there's a difference. it's only natural. of course he can do the moonwalk. no doubt about it. but i bet it gets boring to answer to the same expectations year after year, tour after tour, show after show, for someone as extraordinarily talented and mind-blowingly creative as he is. .. there's so much more in him to share. and now if we think about michael having achieved professionally everything there is to achieve and wanting to move on to films and such. it sort of makes sense to me, him not wanting to moonwalk in his 50s.. the creation is ever-evolving and my thoughts are that he mustve felt a little trapped in his greatness.. maybe that's partly why KOP had to go. to claim his artistic freedom back, without the same wants and needs of his audience that followed him through decades. jmo.

I agree with you wholeheartedly.  Secondly Michael's first love was besides his own children, children around the world.  I remember the interview with Bashir, he said if something happened and there where no more children on the earth he was DONE!  He would jump off a bridge. Maybe music, and concerts and tours would have taken away from things that he wanted to do with children that no one knew about but maybe Katherine.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on July 16, 2013, 06:27:11 PM

He does do the moonwalk in TII, during that bit in Smooth Criminal near the end when all the dancers do it.  It's not as obvious though because it's shot from the front (ha)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on July 16, 2013, 06:38:01 PM
We probably are going to get more clarification on that soon since Katherine may testify later on.  This is what was tweeted today:

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h
Katherine Jackson will probably be plaintiffs' last witness. It's still unclear when the matriarch will take the stand.

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Loves2Fish on July 16, 2013, 06:56:02 PM
I have told my heart a dozen different things about why Michael is no longer with us. But none of it, not one single sentence makes it OK.  The fact is, HE’s NOT HERE.  No where to be seen or heard.  We can’t hear those “I Love you Most” or “God Bless You” or “It’s all for Love” or “Make that Change”  we can’t hear any of it anymore.  We can’t see that smile that was sent straight from Heaven.  We can’t watch him hug a child, or give a speech about how we need to Love our children, and what we need to do to make this a better world. Right NOW that is all gone.  Will this ever be a better world?  He tried his best to make it such, but he couldn't do it by himself.  In the history of mankind it has only gotten worse and continues in a downhill spiral.  People don’t love each other, I mean REALLY Love each other. Will we ever see him again?  With each passing moment my heart says No Not NOW not ever.  And then I have to say, “IT’s not right, there is nothing right about it, it should not have to have been this way.”  He didn’t deserve to have to walk away from his Children, for anyone or any reason.  My heart tells me Paris and Ms Katherine are not playing games.  No one but them are living this everyday.  They are the only ones that know with out a doubt what happened to that precious man.  Everything else that we hope for is just wishful thinking because at the end of the day when we lay our heads down and pray that he is safe, WE DON”T know where he is and what he is doing and if he is happy and healthy.  And to ME it hurts like all HELL!!  My heart won’t pretend.  We had 4 years to get it right and I think we missed!! :'(  :'(  :'(

Forgive me for spilling the beans, there are just some days it really gets the better of me still.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on July 16, 2013, 09:11:57 PM
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After session ended, attorneys for both sides had a heated exchange of words in the hallway when they were talking to media and fans.


Quote
Both attorneys were shouting to each other, court clerk asked them to knock it off, called sheriffs.


(http://smilies-gifs.com/boxeo/6boxeo.gif)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on July 16, 2013, 09:40:33 PM
@loves2fish


The best is yet to come...   (MJ)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on July 17, 2013, 01:14:07 AM
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There are some very important details coming out in the trial today.  Like these from Anthony McCartney:

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 3h

Katherine Jackson said her son didn't want to be performing the Moonwalk on stage when he was 50.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 3h

In it, Mrs. Jackson says she was surprised to see her son announcing the "This Is It" tour. She recounted his statement re: touring.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 3h

AEG Live defense attorney Sabrina Strong played a clip from Katherine Jackson's April 20, 2013, deposition in court today.




These from ABC7:

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4m

O2 arena has 20K seat capacity. They sold 750K tickets for 50 shows. Erk said 1.4% of Great Britain's population bought tickets for the show

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5m

Erk said AEG determined what the gross revenue would be 4 tickets, estimated merchandise sales 4 shows based on 30 shows originally, not 50

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m

Tier 1 are top artists: U2, Madonna, Bruce Springsteen, Bon Jovi, Erk said. “MJ is in a class of his own, King of Pop, no one came close."
Expand
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 6m

Erk explained that Tier 1 is what is reasonably assured MJ would've done, no speculation, very conservative estimate.
Expand
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 6m

Erk said MJ's albums did “quite fantastically” worldwide, sales doubled and tripled around the world.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tXf1evF6Dto[/youtube]

 :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:

...........................on the other hand:

Quote
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 17h
In it, Mrs. Jackson says she was surprised to see her son announcing the "This Is It" tour. She recounted his statement re: touring.

So why was everyone trying to get him to tour with All Good Entertainment? That would be the obvious question.
What a mess.. why does Katherine always say "this things"?  :icon_geek: She knew MJ was touring and why he had to tour didn't she? And why was she right there negotiating with Rowe and Joe in May 2009 if she knew her son didn't want to perform?  :WTF:
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tum[/font]blr_m5kaodlQrg1r5w5vxo1_250.gif)


Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on July 17, 2013, 01:32:00 AM
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After session ended, attorneys for both sides had a heated exchange of words in the hallway when they were talking to media and fans.


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Both attorneys were shouting to each other, court clerk asked them to knock it off, called sheriffs.


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:icon_lol:

It's unlikely MJ would have toured beyond the TII (un) tour which also wasn't meant to be.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0SBTBcTDHo[/youtube]

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the comments about michael not wanting to moonwalk in his 50s got me thinking something ive been thinking for years.. MJ was innovative, he wanted to create NEW things, give birth to art, renew himself every once in a while, if not every day, i know i do.. it mustve been in a sense very suffocating knowing your audience expects the same things all over again decade after decade.. I mean moonwalk was something he invented in his early twenties.. it embodied the energy, the vitality and power of a young intense man.. no doubt he still is powerful and very vital, but also a father and a man who's seen it all, he's not a young tiger, but a wise elephant (albeit a very handsome one)..  if he kept doing the same things all over again, of course it wont be the same, i mean compare a 25 year old to a 50 year old and there's a difference. it's only natural. of course he can do the moonwalk. no doubt about it. but i bet it gets boring to answer to the same expectations year after year, tour after tour, show after show, for someone as extraordinarily talented and mind-blowingly creative as he is. .. there's so much more in him to share. and now if we think about michael having achieved professionally everything there is to achieve and wanting to move on to films and such. it sort of makes sense to me, him not wanting to moonwalk in his 50s.. the creation is ever-evolving and my thoughts are that he mustve felt a little trapped in his greatness.. maybe that's partly why KOP had to go. to claim his artistic freedom back, without the same wants and needs of his audience that followed him through decades. jmo.
Loved your post!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on July 17, 2013, 01:58:32 AM
@santaigo, well said, just what I was trying to say, but didn't very well!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on July 17, 2013, 02:40:39 AM
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After session ended, attorneys for both sides had a heated exchange of words in the hallway when they were talking to media and fans.


Quote
Both attorneys were shouting to each other, court clerk asked them to knock it off, called sheriffs.


(http://smilies-gifs.com/boxeo/6boxeo.gif)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XSWmHBnvCI[/youtube]

He's a MONSTER  :LolLolLolLol: !!!!!!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on July 17, 2013, 03:16:28 AM
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts                                       11 Jul
Here's Paris' note, shown to the jury. pic.twitter.com/VYPBPfoCDw

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/MJ%20forum%20screenshots/paris2mjnote_zpsf3db42af.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/lifeisamovie1/media/MJ%20forum%20screenshots/paris2mjnote_zpsf3db42af.jpg.html)

Now reversed, notice the words looks like in MJ's writing, if anybody can help make them out. All I can make out is:
"Elsewhere, improvisation, acting"  Paris told Oprah she used to do improv with her Dad when asked if she had acted before.

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/MJ%20forum%20screenshots/Parisnotereversedonimprovisation_zpsc52d1b29.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/lifeisamovie1/media/MJ%20forum%20screenshots/Parisnotereversedonimprovisation_zpsc52d1b29.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on July 17, 2013, 03:55:26 AM
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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts                                       11 Jul
Here's Paris' note, shown to the jury. pic.twitter.com/VYPBPfoCDw

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/MJ%20forum%20screenshots/paris2mjnote_zpsf3db42af.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/lifeisamovie1/media/MJ%20forum%20screenshots/paris2mjnote_zpsf3db42af.jpg.html)

Now reversed, notice the words looks like in MJ's writing, if anybody can help make them out. All I can make out is:
"Elsewhere, improvisation, acting"  Paris told Oprah she used to do improv with her Dad when asked if she had acted before.

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/MJ%20forum%20screenshots/Parisnotereversedonimprovisation_zpsc52d1b29.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/lifeisamovie1/media/MJ%20forum%20screenshots/Parisnotereversedonimprovisation_zpsc52d1b29.jpg.html)

After Elsewhere ,I say it it LAVelle maybe  :icon_e_confused: ,from Lavelle Smith Jr .
Much Love to you MJonmind !!!!:bearhug:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: iLoveyoumore on July 17, 2013, 06:02:01 AM
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the comments about michael not wanting to moonwalk in his 50s got me thinking something ive been thinking for years.. MJ was innovative, he wanted to create NEW things, give birth to art, renew himself every once in a while, if not every day, i know i do.. it mustve been in a sense very suffocating knowing your audience expects the same things all over again decade after decade.. I mean moonwalk was something he invented in his early twenties.. it embodied the energy, the vitality and power of a young intense man.. no doubt he still is powerful and very vital, but also a father and a man who's seen it all, he's not a young tiger, but a wise elephant (albeit a very handsome one)..  if he kept doing the same things all over again, of course it wont be the same, i mean compare a 25 year old to a 50 year old and there's a difference. it's only natural. of course he can do the moonwalk. no doubt about it. but i bet it gets boring to answer to the same expectations year after year, tour after tour, show after show, for someone as extraordinarily talented and mind-blowingly creative as he is. .. there's so much more in him to share. and now if we think about michael having achieved professionally everything there is to achieve and wanting to move on to films and such. it sort of makes sense to me, him not wanting to moonwalk in his 50s.. the creation is ever-evolving and my thoughts are that he mustve felt a little trapped in his greatness.. maybe that's partly why KOP had to go. to claim his artistic freedom back, without the same wants and needs of his audience that followed him through decades. jmo.

Great post Santiago, I definitely agree with you. Varsinkin siitä että Michael on komee viisas elefantti. :icon_lol: lol
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: iLoveyoumore on July 17, 2013, 06:13:33 AM
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Here's Paris' note, shown to the jury. pic.twitter.com/VYPBPfoCDw

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/MJ%20forum%20screenshots/paris2mjnote_zpsf3db42af.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/lifeisamovie1/media/MJ%20forum%20screenshots/paris2mjnote_zpsf3db42af.jpg.html)

Now reversed, notice the words looks like in MJ's writing, if anybody can help make them out. All I can make out is:
"Elsewhere, improvisation, acting"  Paris told Oprah she used to do improv with her Dad when asked if she had acted before.

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/MJ%20forum%20screenshots/Parisnotereversedonimprovisation_zpsc52d1b29.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/lifeisamovie1/media/MJ%20forum%20screenshots/Parisnotereversedonimprovisation_zpsc52d1b29.jpg.html)

Very interesting MJonmind. It's definitely Michaels handwriting. My eyes can't make much more words out of it. "Ash.." something  :icon_e_biggrin:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Snoopy71 on July 17, 2013, 11:14:20 AM
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It's unlikely MJ would have toured beyond the TII (un) tour which also wasn't meant to be.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0SBTBcTDHo[/youtube]


Loved that part! :icon_lol:

It was one of the best scenes of the home movies. :icon_rr:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: ShyBleuEyes on July 17, 2013, 01:20:23 PM
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It's unlikely MJ would have toured beyond the TII (un) tour which also wasn't meant to be.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0SBTBcTDHo[/youtube]


Loved that part! :icon_lol:

It was one of the best scenes of the home movies. :icon_rr:

i Always loved this part thank u for posting,:) makes me smile everytime
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: ShyBleuEyes on July 17, 2013, 01:25:03 PM
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Here's Paris' note, shown to the jury. pic.twitter.com/VYPBPfoCDw

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/MJ%20forum%20screenshots/paris2mjnote_zpsf3db42af.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/lifeisamovie1/media/MJ%20forum%20screenshots/paris2mjnote_zpsf3db42af.jpg.html)

Now reversed, notice the words looks like in MJ's writing, if anybody can help make them out. All I can make out is:
"Elsewhere, improvisation, acting"  Paris told Oprah she used to do improv with her Dad when asked if she had acted before.

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/MJ%20forum%20screenshots/Parisnotereversedonimprovisation_zpsc52d1b29.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/lifeisamovie1/media/MJ%20forum%20screenshots/Parisnotereversedonimprovisation_zpsc52d1b29.jpg.html)

Very interesting MJonmind. It's definitely Michaels handwriting. My eyes can't make much more words out of it. "Ash.." something  :icon_e_biggrin:

i also see the words "we need" almost at the bottom of the letter. and third sentence i think i read "Im pretty..."
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on July 17, 2013, 04:22:58 PM
I copied this from United States Courts website (Civil Cases):


"At a trial, witnesses testify under the supervision of a judge. By applying rules of evidence, the judge determines which information may be presented in the courtroom. To ensure that witnesses speak from their own knowledge and do not change their story based on what they hear another witness say, witnesses are kept out of the courtroom until it is time for them to testify."

If witnesses are kept out of the courtroom until it is time for them to testify, then why is Katherine allowed to be in court almost every day???

This is the link:  http://www.uscourts.gov/FederalCourts/UnderstandingtheFederalCourts/HowCourtsWork/CivilCases.aspx
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on July 17, 2013, 05:01:40 PM
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the comments about michael not wanting to moonwalk in his 50s got me thinking something ive been thinking for years.. MJ was innovative, he wanted to create NEW things, give birth to art, renew himself every once in a while, if not every day, i know i do.. it mustve been in a sense very suffocating knowing your audience expects the same things all over again decade after decade.. I mean moonwalk was something he invented in his early twenties.. it embodied the energy, the vitality and power of a young intense man.. no doubt he still is powerful and very vital, but also a father and a man who's seen it all, he's not a young tiger, but a wise elephant (albeit a very handsome one)..  if he kept doing the same things all over again, of course it wont be the same, i mean compare a 25 year old to a 50 year old and there's a difference. it's only natural. of course he can do the moonwalk. no doubt about it. but i bet it gets boring to answer to the same expectations year after year, tour after tour, show after show, for someone as extraordinarily talented and mind-blowingly creative as he is. .. there's so much more in him to share. and now if we think about michael having achieved professionally everything there is to achieve and wanting to move on to films and such. it sort of makes sense to me, him not wanting to moonwalk in his 50s.. the creation is ever-evolving and my thoughts are that he mustve felt a little trapped in his greatness.. maybe that's partly why KOP had to go. to claim his artistic freedom back, without the same wants and needs of his audience that followed him through decades. jmo.


Agree, you're totally right!!!  :th_bravo:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: reasonables+luvs+MJ on July 17, 2013, 05:16:21 PM
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Here's Paris' note, shown to the jury. pic.twitter.com/VYPBPfoCDw

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/MJ%20forum%20screenshots/paris2mjnote_zpsf3db42af.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/lifeisamovie1/media/MJ%20forum%20screenshots/paris2mjnote_zpsf3db42af.jpg.html)

Now reversed, notice the words looks like in MJ's writing, if anybody can help make them out. All I can make out is:
"Elsewhere, improvisation, acting"  Paris told Oprah she used to do improv with her Dad when asked if she had acted before.

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/MJ%20forum%20screenshots/Parisnotereversedonimprovisation_zpsc52d1b29.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/lifeisamovie1/media/MJ%20forum%20screenshots/Parisnotereversedonimprovisation_zpsc52d1b29.jpg.html)

Very interesting MJonmind. It's definitely Michaels handwriting. My eyes can't make much more words out of it. "Ash.." something  :icon_e_biggrin:

i also see the words "we need" almost at the bottom of the letter. and third sentence i think i read "Im pretty..."

This is what I see:

Dentist (?)
"Elswhere"
Davelle (?)
{ improvisation dancing (crossed out)
acting involved

Ash... "We need ... (a few more words; overlay) ... wary (?)"

At the bottom, it looks to be a "V", but Paris' name is causing another overlay.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on July 17, 2013, 06:27:44 PM
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I copied this from United States Courts website (Civil Cases):


"At a trial, witnesses testify under the supervision of a judge. By applying rules of evidence, the judge determines which information may be presented in the courtroom. To ensure that witnesses speak from their own knowledge and do not change their story based on what they hear another witness say, witnesses are kept out of the courtroom until it is time for them to testify."

If witnesses are kept out of the courtroom until it is time for them to testify, then why is Katherine allowed to be in court almost every day???

This is the link:  http://www.uscourts.gov/FederalCourts/UnderstandingtheFederalCourts/HowCourtsWork/CivilCases.aspx

Because she is a direct family member of the deceased. Trayvon's parents were in court every day too even though they were witnesses.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: charissa on July 17, 2013, 06:43:14 PM
Michael once stated in an interview he didn't want to do the moonwalk every time he performed Billie Jean, but the fans had come to expect it and he didn't want the fans to be let down. He wanted to do more with the performances, to be more innovative, but in a sense, it became his signature. Now if I could just find the interview that corroborates what I've said, lol...Can't remember if it was a video or a print article...
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on July 17, 2013, 08:55:38 PM
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Bina talked about the day MJ died. Chase said she got Prince because  it was such a serious matter.

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Chase said she didn't think was going to make sense to stop what she was doing to out the house and look for security.


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After getting Prince, Chase returned to work. At some point, Chase and the housekeepers were told to leave the house.


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"We were asked to leave, the paramedics was still there," Chase said.


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Chase asked Alberto Alvarez, MJ's security guard, if MJ was ok? She said he told her he would be fine.


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Alvarez asked Chase if she ever signed a confidentiality agreement. She said she had not, but Chase believes the housekeepers had.


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Alvarez asked Chase to sign something on the spot. "He asked me to sign some sort of a paragraph not on letterhead," Chase explained.


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Bina: Did it require you to keep things confidential?
Chase: It never said that


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Chase signed it but said she can't remember what it said. She then left the house. That was the last time she was at the Carolwood house.



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Someone to seen Douglas B. Jones. He was hired as a cook of Michael Jackson until May. Work 5 weeks and 2 weeks before the June 25 he was.

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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on July 17, 2013, 11:33:02 PM
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I copied this from United States Courts website (Civil Cases):


"At a trial, witnesses testify under the supervision of a judge. By applying rules of evidence, the judge determines which information may be presented in the courtroom. To ensure that witnesses speak from their own knowledge and do not change their story based on what they hear another witness say, witnesses are kept out of the courtroom until it is time for them to testify."

If witnesses are kept out of the courtroom until it is time for them to testify, then why is Katherine allowed to be in court almost every day???

This is the link:  http://www.uscourts.gov/FederalCourts/UnderstandingtheFederalCourts/HowCourtsWork/CivilCases.aspx

Because she is a direct family member of the deceased. Trayvon's parents were in court every day too even though they were witnesses.

oh OK.  I didn't have time to  follow Trayvon's trial at all, I only listened to the jury reading the verdict on the news. If only everything else over these past 4 years was this straightforward...........
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on July 18, 2013, 12:52:26 AM
Paula, I like how at 4:30 he also mentions The Magnificant 7 song playing.
Applehead250609 much love to you as well, glad you're back here more regularly! Hope job situation is going well for you.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on July 18, 2013, 05:44:42 AM
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I copied this from United States Courts website (Civil Cases):


"At a trial, witnesses testify under the supervision of a judge. By applying rules of evidence, the judge determines which information may be presented in the courtroom. To ensure that witnesses speak from their own knowledge and do not change their story based on what they hear another witness say, witnesses are kept out of the courtroom until it is time for them to testify."

If witnesses are kept out of the courtroom until it is time for them to testify, then why is Katherine allowed to be in court almost every day???

This is the link:  http://www.uscourts.gov/FederalCourts/UnderstandingtheFederalCourts/HowCourtsWork/CivilCases.aspx

Because she is a direct family member of the deceased. Trayvon's parents were in court every day too even though they were witnesses.

oh OK.  I didn't have time to  follow Trayvon's trial at all, I only listened to the jury reading the verdict on the news. If only everything else over these past 4 years was this straightforward...........

Talking about Trayon case ,something doesen't seems right to me, I believe something is rotten in the middle  :animal0017: ,cause  I remember perfectly that during the Murray trial, I saw some pictures of Trayvon ,and I was like  :WTF: !!!! Just like in Murray case strrange things happened during this trial.For example please watch this video where George Zimmerman's lawyer makes a very strange joke   :icon_eek::  :WTF:

Quote
"Knock-knock." "Who's there?" "George Zimmerman." "George Zimmerman, who?" "Alright good. You're on the jury."

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LRSJGFoXEY[/youtube]

Now ,for the things to go even more weirder,Martin Bashir comes in the picture lol  :icon_rolleyes:  :LolLolLolLol:.Please listen what he has to say about Trayvon,and tell me I'm not crazy cause  if you listen to it, he is basically talking about all the things HE did to MJ. :icon_eek:  :WTF: !!!!!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6OuP-wiiQg[/youtube]

Suggestion and innuendo that some kinda of criminality took place hmmmmmmm ain't that just the shit you did to another black man.
Fuck you Bashir and your fake compassion! You ain't clean of that shit yourself. Just using the story of Trayvon to get ahead yet again  :icon_mad:...
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 18, 2013, 12:29:42 PM
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I copied this from United States Courts website (Civil Cases):


"At a trial, witnesses testify under the supervision of a judge. By applying rules of evidence, the judge determines which information may be presented in the courtroom. To ensure that witnesses speak from their own knowledge and do not change their story based on what they hear another witness say, witnesses are kept out of the courtroom until it is time for them to testify."

If witnesses are kept out of the courtroom until it is time for them to testify, then why is Katherine allowed to be in court almost every day???

This is the link:  http://www.uscourts.gov/FederalCourts/UnderstandingtheFederalCourts/HowCourtsWork/CivilCases.aspx

Because she is a direct family member of the deceased. Trayvon's parents were in court every day too even though they were witnesses.

Furthermore she is the plaintiff.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on July 18, 2013, 03:04:02 PM
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the comments about michael not wanting to moonwalk in his 50s got me thinking something ive been thinking for years.. MJ was innovative, he wanted to create NEW things, give birth to art, renew himself every once in a while, if not every day, i know i do.. it mustve been in a sense very suffocating knowing your audience expects the same things all over again decade after decade.. I mean moonwalk was something he invented in his early twenties.. it embodied the energy, the vitality and power of a young intense man.. no doubt he still is powerful and very vital, but also a father and a man who's seen it all, he's not a young tiger, but a wise elephant (albeit a very handsome one)..  if he kept doing the same things all over again, of course it wont be the same, i mean compare a 25 year old to a 50 year old and there's a difference. it's only natural. of course he can do the moonwalk. no doubt about it. but i bet it gets boring to answer to the same expectations year after year, tour after tour, show after show, for someone as extraordinarily talented and mind-blowingly creative as he is. .. there's so much more in him to share. and now if we think about michael having achieved professionally everything there is to achieve and wanting to move on to films and such. it sort of makes sense to me, him not wanting to moonwalk in his 50s.. the creation is ever-evolving and my thoughts are that he mustve felt a little trapped in his greatness.. maybe that's partly why KOP had to go. to claim his artistic freedom back, without the same wants and needs of his audience that followed him through decades. jmo.

Your post made sense to me. Mrs. Katherine Jackson's statements about the Moonwalk in the deposition and also her words in the Piers Morgan interview of May 2012 gave me the impression that Michael actually didn't want to perform anymore, and certainly not on the terms "they" (AEG) wanted him to, like he was forced, they didn't care about Michael, all they care about was money. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WOCXNNunfk

Quote
there's so much more in him to share. and now if we think about michael having achieved professionally everything there is to achieve and wanting to move on to films and such.
 
When I connect your thoughts with Taj Jackson's words about Michael's study and strong interest in movie directing, 3D technology and Dieter Wiesner's words, during a Piers Morgan Show (16:40: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I-OyPEuzH0 )about Michael's plans on Marvel plans and the movie business, which is Michael's second part of his career, according to Mr. Wiesner, I can certainly agree with you that there is so much more in him to share.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on July 18, 2013, 08:11:11 PM
Here's a link to today's story with Paris' deposition: http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/entertainment&id=9176665 …



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Michael Jackson wrongful death trial: Accountant under fire by defense
Wednesday, July 17, 2013


LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- A former accountant for Michael Jackson was under fire by the AEG defense Wednesday during the Jackson family's wrongful death trial. He said that Jackson could have earned more than a billion dollars by touring until he was 66.

How long did Michael Jackson plan to work? Paris Jackson yawns, and then offers two opinions in a video deposition shown to the jury by the defense.

"He still had a lot of music that he was still working on but he kind of needed to relax," she said.

"So did your dad ever tell you he wasn't going to tour anymore after the 02?" Paris was asked.

"Yeah," she replied.

But later she was asked, "How did you understand it was a world tour?"

"Because he told us," she replied.

"What did he tell you?"

"That we were going around the world on tour," she said.

A worldwide tour or retirement? The star's potential earnings were debated in court. Katherine Jackson says she and her three grandchildren are entitled to damages if the jury finds AEG tour promoters liable for the actions of Conrad Murray, the doctor who caused Jackson's death.

AEG's defense asserts that the $1.5 billion figure projected by certified public accountant Arthur Erk is inflated. Erk testified that Jackson would likely work beyond his contract deal for 50 shows at London's O2 Arena and instead perform 260 shows, taking the show around the globe and selling out at every venue. But that's not all.

Defense attorney Sabrina Strong showed Erk's calculations for tours beyond that. That at age 56, Jackson would embark on four more world tours - a total of 455 shows - Jackson performing until he was 66 years old.

Strong questioned Erk: "Are you aware of any other artist doing five tours between age 50 and 66?"

"I did not consider that," Erk replied.

Strong also questioned Erk's numbers for what Jackson could make on endorsements for "This is It": $317 million. Erk testified that the estimate was based on the sellout of 50 concerts within hours.

AEG's defense team says that sponsors were wary of Jackson, who had been accused of criminal conduct and that as the show prepared to launch, the promoters did not have a single dollar in sponsorship or endorsements.

Jackson attorney Brian Panish reminded the jury that Jackson was acquitted of all charges, and like golfer Tiger Woods, could win back multi-million-dollar endorsement contracts.

About performing at age 66, Panish elicited examples of senior citizen stars Mick Jagger, age 69, and Barbara Streisand, age 71.

Meantime, Katherine Jackson is getting ready to testify this week in the wrongful death trial.

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/entertainment&id=9176665
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: wishingstar on July 19, 2013, 12:04:44 AM
All this talk of these world tours when MJs is in his 60's and such...I don't know.  I am reminded of things he said in interviews about growing old....
like the one with Rabbi Shmuley ...... I found a link to the transcript:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/32987303/ns/dateline_nbc-newsmakers/t/children-saved-me-michael-jackson-said/#.UejGCODT220

MJ talks about the body growing old:
Michael Jackson:  I think growing old is the ugliest, the most, the ugliest thing.

It's actually one topic that bothers me a lot about MJ, because I think growing old is a natural process, and it's how God designed us. 
So going against God's design for us, isn't something I'd expect to hear or read from MJ.  He certainly wouldn't call his mother ugly......
she's beautiful and wise through and through.  So going on tour, if he really felt like this?  No way would he.  However, deep down,
I don't really think he believed these things about age anyways....it's but a number.
What do I know anyways.....senility has apparently set in with me...so says my family, lol.....they are not hoaxers in the least! : (

Love ya guys.....
Blessings Always
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on July 19, 2013, 12:57:38 AM
Why should Michael have needed to perform hundreds of concerts until he's 66? (what with that number, btw)  Hasn't he said how the music industry takes advantage of its artists, particularly black artists, by basically robbing them of what's theirs, FORCING them to tour and perform well into old age just to survive?  He saw it for what it is and called them out, it's public record so speculating how much he could've earned busting his butt into retirement is contrary to what he's said, and now what Katherine's said.

The projected endorsement earnings for TII of $317 million stuck out to me (my bday is 3-17), because the time from alarm to arrival of the ambulance on June 25th supposedly took 3:17, which TS said would be way too slow for an emergency vehicle, for the distance it went. Probably unrelated but I always notice those numbers.
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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on July 19, 2013, 03:50:35 AM
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Here's a link to today's story with Paris' deposition: http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/entertainment&id=9176665 …



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Michael Jackson wrongful death trial: Accountant under fire by defense
Wednesday, July 17, 2013


LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- A former accountant for Michael Jackson was under fire by the AEG defense Wednesday during the Jackson family's wrongful death trial. He said that Jackson could have earned more than a billion dollars by touring until he was 66.

How long did Michael Jackson plan to work? Paris Jackson yawns, and then offers two opinions in a video deposition shown to the jury by the defense.

"He still had a lot of music that he was still working on but he kind of needed to relax," she said.

"So did your dad ever tell you he wasn't going to tour anymore after the 02?" Paris was asked.

"Yeah," she replied.

But later she was asked, "How did you understand it was a world tour?"

"Because he told us," she replied.

"What did he tell you?"

"That we were going around the world on tour," she said.

A worldwide tour or retirement? The star's potential earnings were debated in court. Katherine Jackson says she and her three grandchildren are entitled to damages if the jury finds AEG tour promoters liable for the actions of Conrad Murray, the doctor who caused Jackson's death.

AEG's defense asserts that the $1.5 billion figure projected by certified public accountant Arthur Erk is inflated. Erk testified that Jackson would likely work beyond his contract deal for 50 shows at London's O2 Arena and instead perform 260 shows, taking the show around the globe and selling out at every venue. But that's not all.

Defense attorney Sabrina Strong showed Erk's calculations for tours beyond that. That at age 56, Jackson would embark on four more world tours - a total of 455 shows - Jackson performing until he was 66 years old.

Strong questioned Erk: "Are you aware of any other artist doing five tours between age 50 and 66?"

"I did not consider that," Erk replied.

Strong also questioned Erk's numbers for what Jackson could make on endorsements for "This is It": $317 million. Erk testified that the estimate was based on the sellout of 50 concerts within hours.

AEG's defense team says that sponsors were wary of Jackson, who had been accused of criminal conduct and that as the show prepared to launch, the promoters did not have a single dollar in sponsorship or endorsements.

Jackson attorney Brian Panish reminded the jury that Jackson was acquitted of all charges, and like golfer Tiger Woods, could win back multi-million-dollar endorsement contracts.

About performing at age 66, Panish elicited examples of senior citizen stars Mick Jagger, age 69, and Barbara Streisand, age 71.

Meantime, Katherine Jackson is getting ready to testify this week in the wrongful death trial.

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/entertainment&id=9176665

Paris is tired .....or maybe bored :LolLolLolLol: !!!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQzukDTeEI8&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]

July 17th / Day 50

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP15 h
We're on the morning break in Jackson vs AEG Live case. A few updates coming...

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP15 h
Before testimony began, the clerk outlined the rules for the courtroom and courthouse, saying no interviews should occur outside courtroom.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP15 h
Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos also called the attorneys into chambers and met with them before testimony resumed.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP15 h
When the judge took the bench, the attorneys addressed the time estimate of the trial. The jury inquired about it yesterday.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP15 h
AEG Live defense attorney Marvin Putnam said he’s going to try to wrap up his case by the end of August, assuming plaintiff’s rest this week

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP15 h
Putnam said he’s weighing how much of a defense he needs to put up, and Palazuelos told him he needed to take as long as he needs.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP15 h
For the first half of September, there are only four days court is in session. Plaintiff’s lawyer Brian Panish noted that if the defense ...

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP15 h
... estimate is off by a few days, then that would put the end of their case in mid-September.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP15 h
Palazuelos told the jury she expected the case to end in mid-September, which is later than some jurors thought they’d be here.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP15 h
Palazuelos: “Even though we’re going over a little bit, I don’t think it’s unreasonable.” She told juror to convey any concerns to the court

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP15 h
AEG Live defense attorney Sabrina Strong continued her cross-examination of CPA Arthur Erk, who started testifying on Friday.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP15 h
Strong continued to challenge Erk’s projections of Michael Jackson’s earnings. She focused on estimates for endorsement deals.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
AEG Live defense attorney Sabrina Strong concluded her cross-examination of CPA Arthur Erk before the lunch break.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
A few more updates from the morning session in Jackson vs AEG Live coming up...

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
Strong challenged all of Erk’s figures this morning, starting out with his endorsement projections. Erk stated his figures were conservative

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
Erk projected that Jackson would get a $50 million clothing endorsement deal. Strong tried to get Erk to say that was pure speculation.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
Erk said it was his expectation that Jackson would get an endorsement deal based on his popularity in the 1980s, “This Is It” ticket sales.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
Strong also challenged Erk’s projection that Jackson would have gotten another endorsement deal worth $267 million.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
Erk based that figure on a calculation based off the reported $50 million value of a Beyonce/Pepsi endorsement deal.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
Beyonce’s reported deal _ Erk doesn’t know if the figures are right _ was the equivalent of 42% of her tour revenues.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
The accountant adjusted his figures for Jackson up based on his assumption that the singer would do a 260 show worldwide tour.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
Erk assumed that Jackson would get a “Pepsi-like” endorsement deal with several companies, but he’s not aware of any deals pending in 2009.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
Strong also pointed out that Erk’s numbers were gross figures, meaning that he calculated Jackson would receive the full $267 million.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
Using gross figures wouldn't account for any sharing of the deal’s profits with AEG Live or some other entity.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
In discussing the Beyonce deal, Strong brought up the child molestation trial and Beyonce’s squeaky clean image.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
The lawyer asked Erk whether he knew of any artist who got a sponsorship deal worth hundreds of millions of dollars who’d (cont) ...

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
... been involved in a high-profile criminal trial. Erk said that he did not know of any artist who’d received such a big deal after a trial

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
Strong also asked whether Erk’s merchandise estimates were overly-optimistic due to possible over-inflation of his ticket sales projections.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
Erk said he didn’t think he over-estimated the number of tickets that would be sold on a “This Is It” world tour.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
The accountant estimated that concert-goers would spend an average of $19 on MJ-merchandise at each concert.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
After a break, Strong asked Erk about his reliance on an AEG Live budget for his projections. He used a budget prepared on June 24, 2009.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
The AEG budget estimated Jackson would receive between $22 million and $30.7 million from the London “This Is It” shows.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
It appeared AEG estimated Jackson would also receive another $8 million in merchandise sales (The #s were small on the screen.)

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
Erk estimated Jackson would earn $452 million for worldwide concerts, another $121 million in merch and $317m for endorsements.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
The accountant said AEG prepared figures in 2008 showing that Jackson could earn $132 million for a worldwide tour.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
He said that was in a proposal to Colony Capital and was based on a tour of 186 concerts. This was before “TII” contract was signed.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
Erk said his projections were much higher than these figures because the success of “This Is It” ticket sales showed the demand for MJ shows

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
I've got to get back to court. There were a few more questions that Strong asked and she played a clip of Paris Jackson's deposition.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
I'l address those later. Plaintiff's attorney Brian Panish will resume questioning after the lunch break.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP9h
We're done for the day in Jackson vs. AEG Live. Testimony will resume tomorrow at 10 a.m. PDT.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP9h
I've got a story coming shortly on today's testimony. Will get a few updates out soon after that.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP9h
Tomorrow's witnesses are expected to be videotaped testimony by Dr. Emery Brown in the morning, economist Peter Formuzis in the afternoon.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP9h
I won't be covering the trial tomorrow _ will be working Emmy nominations bright and early tomorrow. AP's Linda Deutsch will be covering.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP9h
During arguments on Dr. Brown's testimony, the judge asked AEG's attorneys whether they intend to call Conrad Murray.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP9h
"I have no intention of calling him," AEG Live defense attorney Marvin S. Putnam said when asked about calling Conrad Murray as a witness.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP8h
File shows promoter planned out worldwide tour for Michael Jackson in '08: Promoter plotted out worldwide tour for Jackson Estimate on earnings lower than expert's.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP8h
Story link I just posted comprises some of plaintiff's questioning of CPA Arthur Erk in Jackson vs AEG Live case.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP8h
The plans were used by both sides in court. AEG used them to show their projections were lower than the experts.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP8h
Jackson attorney Brian Panish used the tour plans to show AEG had plans for worldwide tour, similarities with their expert's opinions.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP8h
Folks, gotta sign off for a few hours (maybe the night.) Will be back on the Jackson case on Friday (if not sooner...)

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP4h
Going to share a couple details from the judge's session this morning with attorneys Brian Panish and Marvin Putnam, per court transcript.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP4h
Judge Yvette Palazuelos met with Panish and Putnam to address them yelling at each other in the courthouse hallway on Tuesday afternoon.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP4h
According to the transcript, Palazuelos threatened the attorneys with sanctions, but didn't impose any.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP4h
The judge did most of the talking, and Panish and Putnam apologized for shouting at each other.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP4h
Palazuelos told both attorneys that she expected more of them, and stiff penalties could result if they had another outburst like Tuesday's.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP4h
The judge warned Panish and Putnam that they could be sent to the court's presiding judge if there were issues outside her courtroom.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP4h
Palazuelos made clear that she would handle decorum in her courtroom. She told the lawyers no more interviews outside her doors.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP4h
From now on, Palazuelos said all interviews had to occur at the end of a hallway, or outside the courthouse.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP4h
The attorneys adhered to the new rules on interviews today. For now, sounds like no further action will happen unless there's another issue.


This Is It MOVIE or FILM........this is so confusing  :icon_geek:  :icon_rolleyes:  :judge-smiley: !!!!
Paris says that her father no longer wants to go touring,but next she speaks about going on tour around the world  :animal0017:  :icon_geek: ,cause he father told her so  :icon_question: Maybe Paris/MJ talks figurative,since This Is It has run worldwide   :icon_lol: !!!!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: iLoveyoumore on July 19, 2013, 05:38:47 AM
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All this talk of these world tours when MJs is in his 60's and such...I don't know.  I am reminded of things he said in interviews about growing old....
like the one with Rabbi Shmuley ...... I found a link to the transcript:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/32987303/ns/dateline_nbc-newsmakers/t/children-saved-me-michael-jackson-said/#.UejGCODT220

MJ talks about the body growing old:
Michael Jackson:  I think growing old is the ugliest, the most, the ugliest thing.

It's actually one topic that bothers me a lot about MJ, because I think growing old is a natural process, and it's how God designed us. 
So going against God's design for us, isn't something I'd expect to hear or read from MJ.  He certainly wouldn't call his mother ugly......
she's beautiful and wise through and through.  So going on tour, if he really felt like this?  No way would he.  However, deep down,
I don't really think he believed these things about age anyways....it's but a number.
What do I know anyways.....senility has apparently set in with me...so says my family, lol.....they are not hoaxers in the least! : (

Love ya guys.....
Blessings Always

I think Michael just doesn't want himself to grow old and "ugly", but he can see beauty in other people even though they are old (he said Elizabeth Taylor was beautiful and she was old). Many people are like that. Michael is perfectionist about his looks, he probably doesn't want to accept that he will be old grandpa with wrinkles some day. He's Peter Pan, he just wants to be young forever and live forever. Hah. But I'm not Michael so what do I know, lol.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: iLoveyoumore on July 19, 2013, 05:56:37 AM
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Paris says that her father no longer wants to go touring,but next she speaks about going on tour around the world

Controversy once again.  :icon_e_biggrin:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on July 19, 2013, 07:24:35 AM

The TII tour in London could've been considered "around the world" from L.A.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on July 19, 2013, 10:45:45 AM
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Here's a link to today's story with Paris' deposition: http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/entertainment&id=9176665 …



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Michael Jackson wrongful death trial: Accountant under fire by defense
Wednesday, July 17, 2013


LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- A former accountant for Michael Jackson was under fire by the AEG defense Wednesday during the Jackson family's wrongful death trial. He said that Jackson could have earned more than a billion dollars by touring until he was 66.

How long did Michael Jackson plan to work? Paris Jackson yawns, and then offers two opinions in a video deposition shown to the jury by the defense.

"He still had a lot of music that he was still working on but he kind of needed to relax," she said.

"So did your dad ever tell you he wasn't going to tour anymore after the 02?" Paris was asked.

"Yeah," she replied.

But later she was asked, "How did you understand it was a world tour?"

"Because he told us," she replied.

"What did he tell you?"

"That we were going around the world on tour," she said.

A worldwide tour or retirement? The star's potential earnings were debated in court. Katherine Jackson says she and her three grandchildren are entitled to damages if the jury finds AEG tour promoters liable for the actions of Conrad Murray, the doctor who caused Jackson's death.

AEG's defense asserts that the $1.5 billion figure projected by certified public accountant Arthur Erk is inflated. Erk testified that Jackson would likely work beyond his contract deal for 50 shows at London's O2 Arena and instead perform 260 shows, taking the show around the globe and selling out at every venue. But that's not all.

Defense attorney Sabrina Strong showed Erk's calculations for tours beyond that. That at age 56, Jackson would embark on four more world tours - a total of 455 shows - Jackson performing until he was 66 years old.

Strong questioned Erk: "Are you aware of any other artist doing five tours between age 50 and 66?"

"I did not consider that," Erk replied.

Strong also questioned Erk's numbers for what Jackson could make on endorsements for "This is It": $317 million. Erk testified that the estimate was based on the sellout of 50 concerts within hours.

AEG's defense team says that sponsors were wary of Jackson, who had been accused of criminal conduct and that as the show prepared to launch, the promoters did not have a single dollar in sponsorship or endorsements.

Jackson attorney Brian Panish reminded the jury that Jackson was acquitted of all charges, and like golfer Tiger Woods, could win back multi-million-dollar endorsement contracts.

About performing at age 66, Panish elicited examples of senior citizen stars Mick Jagger, age 69, and Barbara Streisand, age 71.

Meantime, Katherine Jackson is getting ready to testify this week in the wrongful death trial.

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/entertainment&id=9176665

Paris is tired .....or maybe bored :LolLolLolLol: !!!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQzukDTeEI8&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]

July 17th / Day 50

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP15 h
We're on the morning break in Jackson vs AEG Live case. A few updates coming...

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP15 h
Before testimony began, the clerk outlined the rules for the courtroom and courthouse, saying no interviews should occur outside courtroom.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP15 h
Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos also called the attorneys into chambers and met with them before testimony resumed.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP15 h
When the judge took the bench, the attorneys addressed the time estimate of the trial. The jury inquired about it yesterday.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP15 h
AEG Live defense attorney Marvin Putnam said he’s going to try to wrap up his case by the end of August, assuming plaintiff’s rest this week

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP15 h
Putnam said he’s weighing how much of a defense he needs to put up, and Palazuelos told him he needed to take as long as he needs.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP15 h
For the first half of September, there are only four days court is in session. Plaintiff’s lawyer Brian Panish noted that if the defense ...

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP15 h
... estimate is off by a few days, then that would put the end of their case in mid-September.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP15 h
Palazuelos told the jury she expected the case to end in mid-September, which is later than some jurors thought they’d be here.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP15 h
Palazuelos: “Even though we’re going over a little bit, I don’t think it’s unreasonable.” She told juror to convey any concerns to the court

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP15 h
AEG Live defense attorney Sabrina Strong continued her cross-examination of CPA Arthur Erk, who started testifying on Friday.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP15 h
Strong continued to challenge Erk’s projections of Michael Jackson’s earnings. She focused on estimates for endorsement deals.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
AEG Live defense attorney Sabrina Strong concluded her cross-examination of CPA Arthur Erk before the lunch break.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
A few more updates from the morning session in Jackson vs AEG Live coming up...

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
Strong challenged all of Erk’s figures this morning, starting out with his endorsement projections. Erk stated his figures were conservative

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
Erk projected that Jackson would get a $50 million clothing endorsement deal. Strong tried to get Erk to say that was pure speculation.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
Erk said it was his expectation that Jackson would get an endorsement deal based on his popularity in the 1980s, “This Is It” ticket sales.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
Strong also challenged Erk’s projection that Jackson would have gotten another endorsement deal worth $267 million.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
Erk based that figure on a calculation based off the reported $50 million value of a Beyonce/Pepsi endorsement deal.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
Beyonce’s reported deal _ Erk doesn’t know if the figures are right _ was the equivalent of 42% of her tour revenues.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
The accountant adjusted his figures for Jackson up based on his assumption that the singer would do a 260 show worldwide tour.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
Erk assumed that Jackson would get a “Pepsi-like” endorsement deal with several companies, but he’s not aware of any deals pending in 2009.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
Strong also pointed out that Erk’s numbers were gross figures, meaning that he calculated Jackson would receive the full $267 million.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
Using gross figures wouldn't account for any sharing of the deal’s profits with AEG Live or some other entity.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
In discussing the Beyonce deal, Strong brought up the child molestation trial and Beyonce’s squeaky clean image.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
The lawyer asked Erk whether he knew of any artist who got a sponsorship deal worth hundreds of millions of dollars who’d (cont) ...

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
... been involved in a high-profile criminal trial. Erk said that he did not know of any artist who’d received such a big deal after a trial

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
Strong also asked whether Erk’s merchandise estimates were overly-optimistic due to possible over-inflation of his ticket sales projections.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
Erk said he didn’t think he over-estimated the number of tickets that would be sold on a “This Is It” world tour.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
The accountant estimated that concert-goers would spend an average of $19 on MJ-merchandise at each concert.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
After a break, Strong asked Erk about his reliance on an AEG Live budget for his projections. He used a budget prepared on June 24, 2009.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
The AEG budget estimated Jackson would receive between $22 million and $30.7 million from the London “This Is It” shows.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
It appeared AEG estimated Jackson would also receive another $8 million in merchandise sales (The #s were small on the screen.)

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
Erk estimated Jackson would earn $452 million for worldwide concerts, another $121 million in merch and $317m for endorsements.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
The accountant said AEG prepared figures in 2008 showing that Jackson could earn $132 million for a worldwide tour.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
He said that was in a proposal to Colony Capital and was based on a tour of 186 concerts. This was before “TII” contract was signed.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
Erk said his projections were much higher than these figures because the success of “This Is It” ticket sales showed the demand for MJ shows

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
I've got to get back to court. There were a few more questions that Strong asked and she played a clip of Paris Jackson's deposition.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP13 h
I'l address those later. Plaintiff's attorney Brian Panish will resume questioning after the lunch break.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP9h
We're done for the day in Jackson vs. AEG Live. Testimony will resume tomorrow at 10 a.m. PDT.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP9h
I've got a story coming shortly on today's testimony. Will get a few updates out soon after that.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP9h
Tomorrow's witnesses are expected to be videotaped testimony by Dr. Emery Brown in the morning, economist Peter Formuzis in the afternoon.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP9h
I won't be covering the trial tomorrow _ will be working Emmy nominations bright and early tomorrow. AP's Linda Deutsch will be covering.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP9h
During arguments on Dr. Brown's testimony, the judge asked AEG's attorneys whether they intend to call Conrad Murray.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP9h
"I have no intention of calling him," AEG Live defense attorney Marvin S. Putnam said when asked about calling Conrad Murray as a witness.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP8h
File shows promoter planned out worldwide tour for Michael Jackson in '08: Promoter plotted out worldwide tour for Jackson Estimate on earnings lower than expert's.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP8h
Story link I just posted comprises some of plaintiff's questioning of CPA Arthur Erk in Jackson vs AEG Live case.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP8h
The plans were used by both sides in court. AEG used them to show their projections were lower than the experts.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP8h
Jackson attorney Brian Panish used the tour plans to show AEG had plans for worldwide tour, similarities with their expert's opinions.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP8h
Folks, gotta sign off for a few hours (maybe the night.) Will be back on the Jackson case on Friday (if not sooner...)

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP4h
Going to share a couple details from the judge's session this morning with attorneys Brian Panish and Marvin Putnam, per court transcript.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP4h
Judge Yvette Palazuelos met with Panish and Putnam to address them yelling at each other in the courthouse hallway on Tuesday afternoon.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP4h
According to the transcript, Palazuelos threatened the attorneys with sanctions, but didn't impose any.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP4h
The judge did most of the talking, and Panish and Putnam apologized for shouting at each other.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP4h
Palazuelos told both attorneys that she expected more of them, and stiff penalties could result if they had another outburst like Tuesday's.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP4h
The judge warned Panish and Putnam that they could be sent to the court's presiding judge if there were issues outside her courtroom.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP4h
Palazuelos made clear that she would handle decorum in her courtroom. She told the lawyers no more interviews outside her doors.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP4h
From now on, Palazuelos said all interviews had to occur at the end of a hallway, or outside the courthouse.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP4h
The attorneys adhered to the new rules on interviews today. For now, sounds like no further action will happen unless there's another issue.


This Is It MOVIE or FILM........this is so confusing  :icon_geek:  :icon_rolleyes:  :judge-smiley: !!!!
Paris says that her father no longer wants to go touring,but next she speaks about going on tour around the world  :animal0017:  :icon_geek: ,cause he father told her so  :icon_question: Maybe Paris/MJ talks figurative,since This Is It has run worldwide   :icon_lol: !!!!







In body language the boredom and indifference are demonstrated by such gestures as the yawning or face resting on the hand or be in constant movement
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 19, 2013, 12:55:34 PM
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Why should Michael have needed to perform hundreds of concerts until he's 66? (what with that number, btw)  Hasn't he said how the music industry takes advantage of its artists, particularly black artists, by basically robbing them of what's theirs, FORCING them to tour and perform well into old age just to survive?  He saw it for what it is and called them out, it's public record so speculating how much he could've earned busting his butt into retirement is contrary to what he's said, and now what Katherine's said.

The projected endorsement earnings for TII of $317 million stuck out to me (my bday is 3-17), because the time from alarm to arrival of the ambulance on June 25th supposedly took 3:17, which TS said would be way too slow for an emergency vehicle, for the distance it went. Probably unrelated but I always notice those numbers.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,21289.msg369974.html#msg369974

The Ambulance was going Too Slow and the body or dummy on the stretcher was Too Short = TS, lol
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on July 19, 2013, 01:05:24 PM
Mrs Jackson is on the stand today:

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/michael-jacksons-mother-arrives-testimony-19713791

Michael Jackson's Mother Begins Testimony   
                       
 By ANTHONY McCARTNEY AP Entertainment Writer
                           
 LOS ANGELES July 19, 2013 (AP)           
                                       
 Michael Jackson's mother told jurors Friday that she is suing the promoter of her son's ill-fated comeback concerts to find out the truth about his death.Katherine Jackson, 83, said it's been difficult to listen to some of the testimony about her son during a 12-week trial, saying she's a private person by nature."I leave the spotlight for my children," she said.                                                                                                                                         
"A lot of the things that have been said are not the truth," Katherine Jackson said. "He's not here to speak for himself" The Jackson family matriarch sued AEG Live LLC, claiming it failed to adequately investigate the doctor convicted of giving her son an overdose of anesthetic in 2009.She has been a courtroom fixture, sitting in the front row of the courtroom as witnesses have described her son's creativity and interactions with AEG Live executives. AEG denies it hired Jackson's doctor or bears any responsibility for the singer's death. Katherine Jackson said she would do her best to speak for Michael Jackson during her testimony Friday.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 19, 2013, 05:41:12 PM
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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on July 19, 2013, 05:48:28 PM
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Why should Michael have needed to perform hundreds of concerts until he's 66? (what with that number, btw)  Hasn't he said how the music industry takes advantage of its artists, particularly black artists, by basically robbing them of what's theirs, FORCING them to tour and perform well into old age just to survive?  He saw it for what it is and called them out, it's public record so speculating how much he could've earned busting his butt into retirement is contrary to what he's said, and now what Katherine's said.

The projected endorsement earnings for TII of $317 million stuck out to me (my bday is 3-17), because the time from alarm to arrival of the ambulance on June 25th supposedly took 3:17, which TS said would be way too slow for an emergency vehicle, for the distance it went. Probably unrelated but I always notice those numbers.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,21289.msg369974.html#msg369974

Just a lot of nonsense....   :computer-losy-smiley:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on July 19, 2013, 09:30:14 PM
statement of Mrs. Jackson now

https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on July 19, 2013, 10:00:26 PM
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"When a mother loses a child," Mrs. Jackson said crying "that's the worse than can happen to a person."
:'(
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: RK on July 20, 2013, 12:53:02 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/music/michael-jacksons-mother-arrives-to-testify-against-concert-promoter-in-la-civil-trial/2013/07/19/b01e4f04-f090-11e2-bc0d-556690a86be2_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/music/michael-jacksons-mother-arrives-to-testify-against-concert-promoter-in-la-civil-trial/2013/07/19/b01e4f04-f090-11e2-bc0d-556690a86be2_story.html)

By Associated Press, Saturday, July 20, 2:31 AM
LOS ANGELES — Michael Jackson’s mother tearfully described finding out about her son’s death and testified on Friday that she had expressed concerns about his comeback concert schedule to the promoters of the shows.

Katherine Jackson said she called Randy Phillips, the CEO of AEG Live, to voice her view that her son could have done 50 shows — but not if they were spaced closely togeth
 

“He couldn’t do every other night like AEG wanted him to do at first,” she said.

Jackson also said she had called her son’s manager, Tohme Tohme, to raise concerns about the “This Is It” schedule.

She didn’t provide any additional details about the calls.

Jackson was expected to be the final witness called by her attorneys in the negligence lawsuit against AEG Live that has lasted 12 weeks. The defense case is scheduled to begin next week.

Her testimony was stopped in the early afternoon after her lawyer said she only had about three hours of sleep Thursday night and was tired.

The decision was made by Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos after defense attorney Marvin S. Putnam asked Jackson several questions about her decision to file the case and she had difficulty understanding and recalling dates.

Palazuelos spoke with Jackson briefly before dismissing her until Monday.

Katherine Jackson has been a courtroom fixture during the civil trial, sitting in the front row as witnesses described her son’s creativity and interactions with AEG Live executives.

The Jackson family matriarch sued AEG Live in 2010, claiming it failed to adequately investigate Dr. Conrad Murray, who was later convicted of involuntary manslaughter for giving the singer an overdose of anesthetic in 2009.

AEG denies it hired the doctor or bears any responsibility for the singer’s death.

Katherine Jackson also said she had heard from her other children that Michael Jackson was abusing prescription medication, but she didn’t know what to believe. She said she visited him in Las Vegas a few years ago to ask him about it.

“He promised, he kept saying, ‘I’m OK,’” she told the jury. “Sometimes the mothers are the last to know.”

She said she told her son, “I don’t want to hear on the news that you’re not here anymore.”

She did not say when the meeting occurred.

Under questioning by Putnam, she said it had been difficult to see and hear unflattering descriptions of her son.

“It hurts to sit here and listen to all these things,” Jackson said. “To listen to how sick my son was and nobody was trying to help him.”

She said an email written by Paul Gongaware, a top AEG Live executive, that described her son as lazy was especially hurtful.

“My son is not lazy. You don’t get to be the biggest,” she said, pausing, “by being lazy.”

She broke down as she described the day her son died and learning the news from another of her son’s managers, Frank Dileo.

“I just started screaming,” she said, crying and clutching a tissue in one of her hands.

Katherine Jackson said she had never met Murray before her son’s death. She said she saw him pacing at the hospital and had to inquire who he was.

“My son needed another doctor, not Dr. Murray,” she said.

The former cardiologist was convicted in 2011 and remains jailed.

Putnam asked Katherine Jackson about her decision to sue AEG Live. She said she didn’t discuss it with her children or her grandchildren before filing the lawsuit.

“This was your decision alone,” Putnam said.

She said it was.

___
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on July 20, 2013, 01:29:58 AM
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statement of Mrs. Jackson now

https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgQ6IIgrS4I[/youtube]

OMG this is heartbreaking  :icon_cry: ,cause they showed this note from MJ to his mother,and a new video of Michael with his kids  :'( !!!!

(http://i39.tinypic.com/imm640.jpg)
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2v80izk.jpg)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFpbxT2UA6Y[/youtube]
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on July 20, 2013, 02:09:57 AM
 :WTF: :WTF: :WTF:
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(https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/2249444973/twit_normal.jpgABC7)Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5h

Michael was born Aug 21, 1958. As to this photo: "It shows my sweet little boy to me," Mrs. Jackson said. pic.twitter.com/eFYPVjZMaB

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BPlOmcBCMAAYeA2.jpg:large)

MJonmind where are you lol  :LolLolLolLol: ,they had "done" another mistake  :icon_lol: !!!!!!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on July 20, 2013, 02:33:19 AM
Wow just WOW!!!! Only MJ could write down ,such things  :-*.He is a GENIUS   :michael_jackson-1135:!!!!!

(https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/2249444973/twit_normal.jpg)ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5h

Plaque to Katherine Jackson pic.twitter.com/ykKiZjKBfI
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BPlVzJ8CAAIvrQG.jpg)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: iLoveyoumore on July 20, 2013, 06:15:23 AM
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFpbxT2UA6Y[/youtube]

I wonder if that song choice is just random.

Ocean's apart day after day
And I slowly go insane
I hear your voice on the line
But it doesn't stop the pain

...etc

Maybe he can't see them as often as he would like to.

What a cute video btw!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 20, 2013, 06:47:17 AM
mjspirit ‏@MJspirit1 12h
So descriptive "@ABC7Courts: Brian Panish takes her hand and leads her to the witness stand. Her fingers are curled as she takes the oath."

She knows what she is doing.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on July 20, 2013, 05:24:45 PM
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mjspirit ‏@MJspirit1 12h
So descriptive "@ABC7Courts: Brian Panish takes her hand and leads her to the witness stand. Her fingers are curled as she takes the oath."

She knows what she is doing.


Absolutely, also because she knows who is her son , a good man , honest and fair in a world of dragons   :icon_razz:
and she is very good and wonderful in helping Michael    :bearhug: :moonwalk_:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: marumjj on July 20, 2013, 06:38:39 PM
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mjspirit ‏@MJspirit1 12h
So descriptive "@ABC7Courts: Brian Panish takes her hand and leads her to the witness stand. Her fingers are curled as she takes the oath."

She knows what she is doing.

OMG! Ms. Katherine is really brave, and any mother would do the same in his place, God bless KJ! thanks sweetsunset
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Sweetangel on July 21, 2013, 05:31:14 AM
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There are some very important details coming out in the trial today.  Like these from Anthony McCartney:

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 3h

Katherine Jackson said her son didn't want to be performing the Moonwalk on stage when he was 50.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 3h

In it, Mrs. Jackson says she was surprised to see her son announcing the "This Is It" tour. She recounted his statement re: touring.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 3h

AEG Live defense attorney Sabrina Strong played a clip from Katherine Jackson's April 20, 2013, deposition in court today.




These from ABC7:

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 4m

O2 arena has 20K seat capacity. They sold 750K tickets for 50 shows. Erk said 1.4% of Great Britain's population bought tickets for the show

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 5m

Erk said AEG determined what the gross revenue would be 4 tickets, estimated merchandise sales 4 shows based on 30 shows originally, not 50

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2m

Tier 1 are top artists: U2, Madonna, Bruce Springsteen, Bon Jovi, Erk said. “MJ is in a class of his own, King of Pop, no one came close."
Expand
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 6m

Erk explained that Tier 1 is what is reasonably assured MJ would've done, no speculation, very conservative estimate.
Expand
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 6m

Erk said MJ's albums did “quite fantastically” worldwide, sales doubled and tripled around the world.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tXf1evF6Dto[/youtube]

 :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:

...........................on the other hand:

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Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 17h
In it, Mrs. Jackson says she was surprised to see her son announcing the "This Is It" tour. She recounted his statement re: touring.

So why was everyone trying to get him to tour with All Good Entertainment? That would be the obvious question.
What a mess.. why does Katherine always say "this things"?  :icon_geek: She knew MJ was touring and why he had to tour didn't she? And why was she right there negotiating with Rowe and Joe in May 2009 if she knew her son didn't want to perform?  :WTF:
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tum[/font]blr_m5kaodlQrg1r5w5vxo1_250.gif)

Hello everyone,

Interesting Video by Katherine. She is laughing and says "I mean he IS over 50"
He sure is  :icon_lol:

By the Way could it be that TMZ is reading here, because they did post the exact Video from the same Youtubechannel
one Day later.  :icon_e_ugeek:

http://www.tmz.com/2013/07/18/michael-jackson-moonwalk-katherine-jackson-deposition-wrongful-death-trial/

Much Peace and Love to everyone.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on July 22, 2013, 02:42:37 AM
Applehead
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MJonmind where are you lol    ,they had "done" another mistake    !!!!!!
Hi, I sure noticed! :icon_lol: See in red below. KJ is smart as a tack, and she's doing a superb acting job!

Quote
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts19 Jul
Putnam asked about Dr. Murray: "My son needed another doctor, a real doctor," Mrs. Jackson said.
(So it's confirmed by KJ that CM is a fake acting doctor!)

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts19 Jul
Panish asked how Paris is affected. "Oh My God! She wanted to go where daddy was," Mrs. Jackson said.
(And I'm sure she did many times.)

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts19 Jul
Paris took MJ's pajama top, didn't want anyone to wash it. She sat it on her bed.
(Hmm, stiff enough to maybe have a dead or live body in it! :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile )

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts19 Jul
She said she had been out on field service and she said one of the fans said they brought someone out on a gurney completely covered up.
(So could easily have been a DWD patient or dummy, if so very few actually saw the body.)

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts19 Jul
Panish: Did he give you money? Mrs. Jackson: Yes, cash. Michael never wrote checks
(In 2008 theres a video of reporter asking MJ how his finances are, and he says Great, I just wrote a check for $500 million, but good news doesn’t sell.)

Panish: When Michael was 21, did he write down what his goals were? Mrs. Jackson: Yes, Michael wrote notes to himself

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts19 Jul
MJ was a straight A student. He liked movies, Katherine named a few: The Wiz, Sidney, 12 Angry Men. Panish show snippet of The Wiz.
(Maybe we should look up these movies for clues?)

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts19 Jul
Michael was born Aug 21, 1958. As to this photo: "It shows my sweet little boy to me," Mrs. Jackson said. pic.twitter.com/eFYPVjZMaB

MJonmind ‏@Lifeisamovie120 Jul
@ABC7Courts What, should be Aug 29! Another ABC7 typo? Too hoaxified 21= 777.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts19 Jul
Brian Panish takes her hand and leads her to the witness stand. Her fingers are curled as she takes the oath.

SimPattyK Ro ‏@SimPattyK19 Jul
@ABC7Courts "curled fingers" b/c it's a hoax oath not a real oath ;)

 MJonmind ‏@Lifeisamovie120 Jul
@SimPattyK @ABC7Courts "Bent fingers when taking the oath indicates someone who is going to bend the truth." http://www.steveharveytv.com/decoding-body-language/ …
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on July 22, 2013, 03:03:48 AM
"Bent fingers when taking the oath indicates someone who is going to bend the truth."

I wonder what that body language guy who's done all those Youtube vids would say about this. Is it a commonly held idea?

Whatever, I find it 'interesting' that ABC7Court noticed and tweeted that little detail.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 22, 2013, 10:42:04 AM
I don't know but I have the gut feeling that Michael will be at the Superior Court today to support his mother.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: charissa on July 22, 2013, 05:24:43 PM
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"Bent fingers when taking the oath indicates someone who is going to bend the truth."

I wonder what that body language guy who's done all those Youtube vids would say about this. Is it a commonly held idea?

Whatever, I find it 'interesting' that ABC7Court noticed and tweeted that little detail.

Or, arthritis??
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on July 22, 2013, 05:58:52 PM
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I don't know but I have the gut feeling that Michael will be at the Superior Court today to support his mother.


 ???                  (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Content/D_SMIL%7E1.GIF)






Today on courtroom.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rlgq2j
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on July 22, 2013, 06:32:32 PM

Mrs. Katherine basically confirmed what we've known all along - that Michael is not broke and never was.


Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP (https://twitter.com/mccartneyAP)3h (https://twitter.com/mccartneyAP/status/359404968165380099)
Putnam again asked about the stories she’d heard. “I’d heard for years that Michael Jackson was broke, and he wasn’t,” she said.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP (https://twitter.com/mccartneyAP)3h (https://twitter.com/mccartneyAP/status/359405077355708416)
Katherine Jackson said she never discussed it with her son because she knew he wasn’t broke.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on July 22, 2013, 10:07:07 PM
And that he did not have a drug problem.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on July 23, 2013, 03:37:54 AM
Posted by: Andrea
« on: Today at 03:32:32 AM »

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Mrs. Katherine basically confirmed what we've known all along - that Michael is not broke and never was.

Posted by: bec
« on: Today at 07:07:07 AM »

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And that he did not have a drug problem.

I agree, we have known that all along, and this trial is to make this truth very clear to the world. Wrongs will be righted.


TL by TM:

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Tom Mesereau @TomMesereau
23rd July 2013 from TwitLonger

The law protects those who have been wrongly accused of crimes when those accusations are untrue and have caused damage to the person's reputation.

@Blankie: thanks for posting the TL of TeamMJ777. Mrs. Katherine is an admirable truth defender, she did very well. Much love and respect to Mrs. Katherine.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on July 23, 2013, 03:58:34 AM
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I don't know but I have the gut feeling that Michael will be at the Superior Court today to support his mother.


 ???                  (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Content/D_SMIL%7E1.GIF)


Today on courtroom.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rlgq2j

Maybe he already was   ;) :icon_albino: !!!!
Remember this guy???


(http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o530/Killullinati/39A80BEE-0581-4A42-AEA4-715A6C454CFD-275-0000001AD3871D4F_zps445ee1e7.jpg)

Well take a look at what Anne had to say about him  :omg: ,cause she was at courthouse ,that day when Katherine had to testify.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GCjKbSexqw[/youtube]

Isn´t it interesting that the "Mayor" appeared in the hallway of the courthouse while Mrs. Jackson stated, she´d been on the set of "Ghosts" and didn´t realized MJ because he was disguised as the Mayor? Just a thought. ;)
Strange coincidentes again lol  :LolLolLolLol: !!!!

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Adi on July 23, 2013, 05:57:36 AM
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Posted by: Andrea
« on: Today at 03:32:32 AM »

Quote
Mrs. Katherine basically confirmed what we've known all along - that Michael is not broke and never was.

Posted by: bec
« on: Today at 07:07:07 AM »

Quote
And that he did not have a drug problem.

I agree, we have known that all along, and this trial is to make this truth very clear to the world. Wrongs will be righted.


TL by TM:

Quote
Tom Mesereau @TomMesereau
23rd July 2013 from TwitLonger

The law protects those who have been wrongly accused of crimes when those accusations are untrue and have caused damage to the person's reputation.

@Blankie: thanks for posting the TL of TeamMJ777. Mrs. Katherine is an admirable truth defender, she did very well. Much love and respect to Mrs. Katherine.

Yes Katherine is amazing......

"The Mom(m)ent of Now"  :icon_cool:

http://i39.tinypic.com/29fuulg.png
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on July 23, 2013, 06:35:28 AM
I thought TM denied having a twitter account - or did I dream that up?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Billie J on July 23, 2013, 07:36:30 AM
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I thought TM denied having a twitter account - or did I dream that up?

Nope You didn't dream that LOL, according to twitter account @KeyaMorgan who knows TM,wrote that TM has said he doesn't have a twitter account.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Jos on July 23, 2013, 10:47:33 AM
Lol... just noticed that the twitter account @ABC7COURTS isn't verified.  :affraid:
Not that big of a deal, you may say. But when you look at the other accounts of ABC7, they are :-) (@ABC7 & @ABC7Weather)

So that & the fact that they only tweet about KJ's case, you can start thinking that ABC7Courts isn't really a part of ABC7....?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: iLoveyoumore on July 23, 2013, 11:20:58 AM
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Lol... just noticed that the twitter account @ABC7COURTS isn't verified.  :affraid:
Not that big of a deal, you may say. But when you look at the other accounts of ABC7, they are :-) (@ABC7 & @ABC7Weather)

So that & the fact that they only tweet about KJ's case, you can start thinking that ABC7Courts isn't really a part of ABC7....?

I've always wanted to know who runs that twitter account.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on July 23, 2013, 02:31:39 PM
Jos, good point, but also the point is, that ABC7 are OK with this hanger-on or imposter--as in haven't said anything against it.
MJ's fingerprints, back-room handshake deals are all over the place in the media these days.

Applehead, Mrs. Jackson mentioning the Ghost mayor, certainly reinforces the real possibility MJ has made his younger mayor (Dr.) appearance.
Anne's noticing the big popping eyes clinches it!  :icon_lol: Was he wanting her to notice it was him?

MJ on twitter's been quiet for a couple of days, so maybe he's been busy in make-up room!  Love it! :affraid:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MaryK on July 23, 2013, 02:53:09 PM
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Lol... just noticed that the twitter account @ABC7COURTS isn't verified.  :affraid:
Not that big of a deal, you may say. But when you look at the other accounts of ABC7, they are :-) (@ABC7 & @ABC7Weather)

So that & the fact that they only tweet about KJ's case, you can start thinking that ABC7Courts isn't really a part of ABC7....?

Miriam Hernandez is reporting from the trial for ABC7 via @ABC7Courts

Here she is:

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/bio?section=resources%2Finside_station%2Fnewsteam&id=5744059 (http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/bio?section=resources%2Finside_station%2Fnewsteam&id=5744059)

Interesting:

Quote
She was the first reporter allowed by the U.S. Marshal Service to take a TV camera behind the vaulted doors of the Federal Witness Protection Program.

 :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 23, 2013, 03:33:22 PM
Yes Mary, Miriam Hernandez is runing that twitter Pearl introduced her to me but I always thought and I am sure of it that her source is coming from a Jackson family insider that is in direct touch with Michael.
MJonline I am pretty sure that these 2 days of Michael's absence on twitter and after his explanation about the stressfull days makes me think he has been attending Mother K witnessing on the stand to support and accompany her, I think Ann is right when talking about "The Mayor" too.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on July 23, 2013, 05:18:22 PM
I always think that behind all there is Michael or that he is in control of everything and so...waiting for  :icon_bounce:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: underthemoon on July 24, 2013, 02:16:30 AM
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Lol... just noticed that the twitter account @ABC7COURTS isn't verified.  :affraid:
Not that big of a deal, you may say. But when you look at the other accounts of ABC7, they are :-) (@ABC7 & @ABC7Weather)

So that & the fact that they only tweet about KJ's case, you can start thinking that ABC7Courts isn't really a part of ABC7....?


Yes and i noticed that they are following 14 accounts...9 are from Jackson Family members !
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on July 24, 2013, 02:47:14 AM
Sweet,  :beerchug: It must have been an awesome time meeting people and seeing places that here online are just on a screen!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: underthemoon on July 24, 2013, 03:53:33 AM
The twitter account acb7courts starts at 26. September 2011...the day the Murray Trial starts  ;D
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on July 24, 2013, 04:13:12 AM
Has ABC7Courts covered any other non MJ related trials?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Jos on July 24, 2013, 08:38:04 AM
As far as I have read it, no.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on July 24, 2013, 09:34:45 AM
Okay ....... thanks Jos! :suspect:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 24, 2013, 11:53:56 AM
Edit
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 24, 2013, 12:19:39 PM
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/screenlzl.png)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on July 24, 2013, 12:35:21 PM
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(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/screenlzl.png)
Meglen seemed to not care much about MJ as a performer saying he was more into heavier rock, but he indicated stats could be skued.

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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 16h
Meglen: You assume I believe and agree with those numbers because they are on Billboard magazine. Those numbers are often inflated.
Quote
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 16h
Panish: Isn't it true U2 had 97,000 people attend at the Rose Bowl?
Meglen: That's not true

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 16h
"The maximum capacity of shows I've done at the Rose Bowl was 59,570," Meglen testified.
How many stats about MJ's success at record sales, attendence at concerts, popularity have been totally deflated to represent the desired numbers of the media who at every turn try to undermine MJ.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 24, 2013, 02:47:25 PM
Thanks for helping me to post the pic correctly although I am noticing the pic is not that clear maybe I was too nervous while making it due to I was breaking the rules, lol, good job.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on July 24, 2013, 06:40:36 PM
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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on July 24, 2013, 11:35:51 PM
@Sweet, you should probably remove the pic since you don't have a court order. Ironic though, I just read this article before coming to the site tonight: http://music.yahoo.com/news/spectator-banned-jackson-trial-over-photo-013638056.html
Quote
LOS ANGELES (AP) — A spectator attending the civil trial over Michael Jackson's death was banned Wednesday by a judge after he snapped a photo in a courthouse hallway that included jurors hearing the case.Earlier on Wednesday, jurors watched the videotaped testimony of a physician who said he treated the late singer to help him stop taking
Demerol.Bailiffs confiscated William Wagener's cellphone and ordered him to return on Thursday to find out whether the ban will remain in place or
other disciplinary actions will be taken.Wagener said he inadvertently snapped the photo on his smartphone while riding
an escalator. He cooperated with bailiffs to retrieve the photo and said
 he did not send it to anyone.The photo is the latest incident that has raised concerns about the security around jurors hearing the
negligence case filed by Jackson's mother against AEG Live LLC. Two alternate jurors were approached by a woman last month who told them not to award any money to the Jackson family.In recent days, tiny windows on the courtroom door were blocked after jurors reported seeing someone press a camera to the window and snap a
photo during the proceedings. Videotaping and photography in the
courthouse are banned without a court order, and a judge blocked a
request by news outlets to broadcast the trial.
Bailiffs or a court clerk give daily reminders of the courtroom's rules, which include a ban on any transmissions from inside the trial or
 loud outbursts during the testimony.Wagener, 67, said he posts updates on the trial on Facebook and YouTube and has sold rights to videos he made during Jackson's 2005 criminal trial. He said if he's banned from the trial, it will hurt his ability to
cover the case. He said being in the courtroom is the only way to hear
the inflection of lawyers and witnesses and get a full sense of the
proceedings.Earlier, in a videotaped testimony, one of Jackson's former physicians described how in 2002 he placed an implant in Jackson's
abdomen to block the effects of opioid medications such as Demerol.Dr. Alimorad Farschcian said Jackson told him that he wanted to stop taking Demerol for the sake of his children. The Miami-based physician
became close to the entertainer after treating him for a sprained ankle,
 spending time at Neverland Ranch and meeting Jackson's mother on
Christmas Day in 2002.Farschcian said the implant kept the singer off of Demerol for at least nine months and Jackson's mother Katherine seemed pleased when he
described it to her and her son showed her the device.Katherine Jackson testified on Monday that she never saw the device and could never prove her son abused prescription medications.The Jackson family matriarch is suing AEG Live, claiming it negligently hired another doctor, Conrad Murray, who was convicted of
administering Jackson a fatal dose of anesthetic in 2009. No trace of
Demerol was found in Jackson's system when he died.AEG Live denies it hired Murray, and its attorneys have said Jackson hid his addiction struggles, and the company bears no responsibility for
 his death.Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos said she would consult with another judge about how to handle
 Wagener and the photo of jurors.
Lol, was that you Sweet?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on July 25, 2013, 03:28:16 AM
Bec, are you saying the pic should be removed from here?

Another question to you, do you believe the implant story? (Goes well with the abscessed butt story.)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on July 25, 2013, 06:14:14 AM
Excuse MJ ignorance but why dnt the courts like photos being taken? I'm guessing for juror anonymity?

Also, I'm still confused if I should be looking at this as a 'real' court with fake testimonies / evidence. Or a 'fake' court with ppl playing a role combined with others who are playing a role unbeknownst to them..

#watching this space.
#keeping up with every tweet of abc court.
#unsure yet which is the case.

Opinions anyone??
CM case déjà vu anyone??
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on July 25, 2013, 06:21:54 AM
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Sweet,thank's  that you mention Keya Morgan,cause he is also "involved" in the AEG lawsuit ,lol  :LolLolLolLol: .
He is the person Katherins lawyer referred to in the AEG trial when they questioned Randy Phillips over a meeting he had with Dr Thome at the Beverly Hills Hotel in may. Apparently Keya was seated next to them and heard their conversation. He said he heard Randy Phillips calling Katherine a bitch and that they talked about the trial, which Randy Phillips denied etc.



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Keya Morgan ‏@KeyaMorgan 5 May
WOW! Randy Phillips of AEG and Dr. Tohme Tohme are seated right next to me at beverly hills hotel.

Keya Morgan ‏@KeyaMorgan 13 Jun
I just found out that my tweet about Phillips & Tohme was used in court today in the Jackson case & plus a lot more.

Keya Morgan ‏@KeyaMorgan 13 Jun
God does everything for a reason! I know Tohme & Phillips siting next to me talking about #MJ was planed by the big boss above.

Keya Morgan ‏@KeyaMorgan 13 Jun
The stuff Randy Phillips & Tohme Tohme said in front of me about Michael Jackson & Katherine Jackson made me sick. I could not eat my lunch.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on July 25, 2013, 10:11:21 AM
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Bec, are you saying the pic should be removed from here?

Another question to you, do you believe the implant story? (Goes well with the abscessed butt story.)

Yeah probably, but it's a grey area which is why I asked Sweet to do it herself.

No, of course I don't believe that story. I don't believe any of this nonsense.

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Excuse MJ ignorance but why dnt the courts like photos being taken? I'm guessing for juror anonymity?


Yes, that's right. Which is why I said it's a grey area, that pic shows nothing, of course, but court houses ban photography/recording devises across the board to protect juror identities in general.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 25, 2013, 12:44:17 PM
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Bec, are you saying the pic should be removed from here?

Another question to you, do you believe the implant story? (Goes well with the abscessed butt story.)

I was thinking to remove the pic yesterday after posting it just to let you all see ad after remove it, I have already removed it so you should remove it as well just for respect to Michael who is the only one that I care for.

Haha Bec not I wasn't that one I was very respectful there the only infringement I did was that pic                           which shows nothing more than what we already knew, I mean that judge's name is Palazuelos and that pics are forbidden, lol.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on July 25, 2013, 08:11:56 PM
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@Sweet, you should probably remove the pic since you don't have a court order. Ironic though, I just read this article before coming to the site tonight: http://music.yahoo.com/news/spectator-banned-jackson-trial-over-photo-013638056.html
Quote
LOS ANGELES (AP) — A spectator attending the civil trial over Michael Jackson's death was banned Wednesday by a judge after he snapped a photo in a courthouse hallway that included jurors hearing the case.Earlier on Wednesday, jurors watched the videotaped testimony of a physician who said he treated the late singer to help him stop taking
Demerol.Bailiffs confiscated William Wagener's cellphone and ordered him to return on Thursday to find out whether the ban will remain in place or
other disciplinary actions will be taken.Wagener said he inadvertently snapped the photo on his smartphone while riding
an escalator. He cooperated with bailiffs to retrieve the photo and said
 he did not send it to anyone.The photo is the latest incident that has raised concerns about the security around jurors hearing the
negligence case filed by Jackson's mother against AEG Live LLC. Two alternate jurors were approached by a woman last month who told them not to award any money to the Jackson family.In recent days, tiny windows on the courtroom door were blocked after jurors reported seeing someone press a camera to the window and snap a
photo during the proceedings. Videotaping and photography in the
courthouse are banned without a court order, and a judge blocked a
request by news outlets to broadcast the trial.
Bailiffs or a court clerk give daily reminders of the courtroom's rules, which include a ban on any transmissions from inside the trial or
 loud outbursts during the testimony.Wagener, 67, said he posts updates on the trial on Facebook and YouTube and has sold rights to videos he made during Jackson's 2005 criminal trial. He said if he's banned from the trial, it will hurt his ability to
cover the case. He said being in the courtroom is the only way to hear
the inflection of lawyers and witnesses and get a full sense of the
proceedings.Earlier, in a videotaped testimony, one of Jackson's former physicians described how in 2002 he placed an implant in Jackson's
abdomen to block the effects of opioid medications such as Demerol.Dr. Alimorad Farschcian said Jackson told him that he wanted to stop taking Demerol for the sake of his children. The Miami-based physician
became close to the entertainer after treating him for a sprained ankle,
 spending time at Neverland Ranch and meeting Jackson's mother on
Christmas Day in 2002.Farschcian said the implant kept the singer off of Demerol for at least nine months and Jackson's mother Katherine seemed pleased when he
described it to her and her son showed her the device.Katherine Jackson testified on Monday that she never saw the device and could never prove her son abused prescription medications.The Jackson family matriarch is suing AEG Live, claiming it negligently hired another doctor, Conrad Murray, who was convicted of
administering Jackson a fatal dose of anesthetic in 2009. No trace of
Demerol was found in Jackson's system when he died.AEG Live denies it hired Murray, and its attorneys have said Jackson hid his addiction struggles, and the company bears no responsibility for
 his death.Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos said she would consult with another judge about how to handle
 Wagener and the photo of jurors.
Lol, was that you Sweet?


is this accurate? i thought none was found.  :icon_e_confused:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: charissa on July 25, 2013, 10:51:13 PM
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@Sweet, you should probably remove the pic since you don't have a court order. Ironic though, I just read this article before coming to the site tonight: http://music.yahoo.com/news/spectator-banned-jackson-trial-over-photo-013638056.html
Quote
LOS ANGELES (AP) — A spectator attending the civil trial over Michael Jackson's death was banned Wednesday by a judge after he snapped a photo in a courthouse hallway that included jurors hearing the case.Earlier on Wednesday, jurors watched the videotaped testimony of a physician who said he treated the late singer to help him stop taking
Demerol.Bailiffs confiscated William Wagener's cellphone and ordered him to return on Thursday to find out whether the ban will remain in place or
other disciplinary actions will be taken.Wagener said he inadvertently snapped the photo on his smartphone while riding
an escalator. He cooperated with bailiffs to retrieve the photo and said
 he did not send it to anyone.The photo is the latest incident that has raised concerns about the security around jurors hearing the
negligence case filed by Jackson's mother against AEG Live LLC. Two alternate jurors were approached by a woman last month who told them not to award any money to the Jackson family.In recent days, tiny windows on the courtroom door were blocked after jurors reported seeing someone press a camera to the window and snap a
photo during the proceedings. Videotaping and photography in the
courthouse are banned without a court order, and a judge blocked a
request by news outlets to broadcast the trial.
Bailiffs or a court clerk give daily reminders of the courtroom's rules, which include a ban on any transmissions from inside the trial or
 loud outbursts during the testimony.Wagener, 67, said he posts updates on the trial on Facebook and YouTube and has sold rights to videos he made during Jackson's 2005 criminal trial. He said if he's banned from the trial, it will hurt his ability to
cover the case. He said being in the courtroom is the only way to hear
the inflection of lawyers and witnesses and get a full sense of the
proceedings.Earlier, in a videotaped testimony, one of Jackson's former physicians described how in 2002 he placed an implant in Jackson's
abdomen to block the effects of opioid medications such as Demerol.Dr. Alimorad Farschcian said Jackson told him that he wanted to stop taking Demerol for the sake of his children. The Miami-based physician
became close to the entertainer after treating him for a sprained ankle,
 spending time at Neverland Ranch and meeting Jackson's mother on
Christmas Day in 2002.Farschcian said the implant kept the singer off of Demerol for at least nine months and Jackson's mother Katherine seemed pleased when he
described it to her and her son showed her the device.Katherine Jackson testified on Monday that she never saw the device and could never prove her son abused prescription medications.The Jackson family matriarch is suing AEG Live, claiming it negligently hired another doctor, Conrad Murray, who was convicted of
administering Jackson a fatal dose of anesthetic in 2009. No trace of
Demerol was found in Jackson's system when he died.AEG Live denies it hired Murray, and its attorneys have said Jackson hid his addiction struggles, and the company bears no responsibility for
 his death.Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos said she would consult with another judge about how to handle
 Wagener and the photo of jurors.
Lol, was that you Sweet?


is this accurate? i thought none was found.  :icon_e_confused:

The article actually says, "No trace of Demerol was found in Jackson's system when he died."
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on July 25, 2013, 11:53:14 PM
From today:


ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m

Medical record from May 13, 2003: Height: 72 inches (6 feet) Weight: 140 lbs Allergy: Demerol Medications: Denied


I guess depending on who's giving the information Michael seems to grow taller and/or shrink at a moment's notice.....................
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: wishingstar on July 26, 2013, 12:58:06 AM
All this talk of medical records and such......
does anyone know what HIPPA would cover? I find things that pertain to court......
but not specifically to a person who has died.  I remember a long time researching HIPPA
stuff.....but can't seem to tie this one together.  It seems like they are spilling his whole
history...yet is that even legal?  Especially being that the information
is leaving the courtroom walls...via reporters.  Wouldn't  there have to be a release of some sort.....
maybe by a family member? 

With regards to being allergic to Demerol.......
on the paramedic report he was noted as being allergic to
thorazine (spelling?).....I had questioned that a long time ago. 
He had many photos of himself wearing a medical bracelet.  Some said
that was only for lupus....I have no idea. 

Anyways...hope you are all doing well!
Blessings Always
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on July 26, 2013, 03:23:44 AM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwuw2-GBX58[/youtube]

What?? There never was a contract betewn MJ and Conrat   :Pulling_hair:  :WTF:  ::) ??
This whole AGE trial was unnecessary, it's a mess and a giant CIRCUS  :icon_geek: :icon_lol:!!! And it's only motivation for the Jackson clan,and the rest is money  :icon_rolleyes:.Like Majestic said :" Follow the dollar" .Each of them,is accusing one another and pointing fingers ,but in the end there's no one to blame  :suspect:  :icon_lol: . Joseph blames Katherine,Katherine blames AEG,AEG blames Michael,etc .I mean,WHO THE F.....is to blame here  :icon_e_confused:  :thjajaja121:??
Now outside the subject, who is guy ,cause his hair scared me to death  :affraid:  :icon_lol:?


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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on July 26, 2013, 06:34:25 AM
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@Sweet, you should probably remove the pic since you don't have a court order. Ironic though, I just read this article before coming to the site tonight: http://music.yahoo.com/news/spectator-banned-jackson-trial-over-photo-013638056.html
Quote
LOS ANGELES (AP) — A spectator attending the civil trial over Michael Jackson's death was banned Wednesday by a judge after he snapped a photo in a courthouse hallway that included jurors hearing the case.Earlier on Wednesday, jurors watched the videotaped testimony of a physician who said he treated the late singer to help him stop taking
Demerol.Bailiffs confiscated William Wagener's cellphone and ordered him to return on Thursday to find out whether the ban will remain in place or
other disciplinary actions will be taken.Wagener said he inadvertently snapped the photo on his smartphone while riding
an escalator. He cooperated with bailiffs to retrieve the photo and said
 he did not send it to anyone.The photo is the latest incident that has raised concerns about the security around jurors hearing the
negligence case filed by Jackson's mother against AEG Live LLC. Two alternate jurors were approached by a woman last month who told them not to award any money to the Jackson family.In recent days, tiny windows on the courtroom door were blocked after jurors reported seeing someone press a camera to the window and snap a
photo during the proceedings. Videotaping and photography in the
courthouse are banned without a court order, and a judge blocked a
request by news outlets to broadcast the trial.
Bailiffs or a court clerk give daily reminders of the courtroom's rules, which include a ban on any transmissions from inside the trial or
 loud outbursts during the testimony.Wagener, 67, said he posts updates on the trial on Facebook and YouTube and has sold rights to videos he made during Jackson's 2005 criminal trial. He said if he's banned from the trial, it will hurt his ability to
cover the case. He said being in the courtroom is the only way to hear
the inflection of lawyers and witnesses and get a full sense of the
proceedings.Earlier, in a videotaped testimony, one of Jackson's former physicians described how in 2002 he placed an implant in Jackson's
abdomen to block the effects of opioid medications such as Demerol.Dr. Alimorad Farschcian said Jackson told him that he wanted to stop taking Demerol for the sake of his children. The Miami-based physician
became close to the entertainer after treating him for a sprained ankle,
 spending time at Neverland Ranch and meeting Jackson's mother on
Christmas Day in 2002.Farschcian said the implant kept the singer off of Demerol for at least nine months and Jackson's mother Katherine seemed pleased when he
described it to her and her son showed her the device.Katherine Jackson testified on Monday that she never saw the device and could never prove her son abused prescription medications.The Jackson family matriarch is suing AEG Live, claiming it negligently hired another doctor, Conrad Murray, who was convicted of
administering Jackson a fatal dose of anesthetic in 2009. No trace of
Demerol was found in Jackson's system when he died.AEG Live denies it hired Murray, and its attorneys have said Jackson hid his addiction struggles, and the company bears no responsibility for
 his death.Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos said she would consult with another judge about how to handle
 Wagener and the photo of jurors.
Lol, was that you Sweet?


is this accurate? i thought none was found.  :icon_e_confused:

The article actually says, "No trace of Demerol was found in Jackson's system when he died."

oops  :Pulling_hair:thank you  :-[ guess this means my memory is ok but i can't read worth a damn.  :thjajaja121:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on July 26, 2013, 06:45:40 AM
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All this talk of medical records and such......
does anyone know what HIPPA would cover? I find things that pertain to court......
but not specifically to a person who has died.  I remember a long time researching HIPPA
stuff.....but can't seem to tie this one together.  It seems like they are spilling his whole
history...yet is that even legal?  Especially being that the information
is leaving the courtroom walls...via reporters.  Wouldn't  there have to be a release of some sort.....
maybe by a family member? 

With regards to being allergic to Demerol.......
on the paramedic report he was noted as being allergic to
thorazine (spelling?).....I had questioned that a long time ago. 
He had many photos of himself wearing a medical bracelet.  Some said
that was only for lupus....I have no idea. 

Anyways...hope you are all doing well!
Blessings Always

do i remember at one point someone saying something about paris mention of some allergies that day?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on July 26, 2013, 08:48:19 AM
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From today:


ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 3m

Medical record from May 13, 2003: Height: 72 inches (6 feet) Weight: 140 lbs Allergy: Demerol Medications: Denied


I guess depending on who's giving the information Michael seems to grow taller and/or shrink at a moment's notice.....................

Touche Faith  :beerchug: !!!  Thank you for bringing that up  ;) ,because as you can see, they bring up, his height, over and over again.That's a reason ,trust me on that.... :icon_e_wink: .
In recent months, I have read many stories about people who knew or seen MJ, in person.Up here, nothing strange,except for the fact some things they have said about Michael , were different from what we have been told so far. :icon_e_confused: :animal0017: :icon_rolleyes: .For example look what Pharrell from Daft Punk about said recently,about MJ's height:



Pharrell Williams on Surprise Hits, Daft Punk, and Watching Michael Jackson Laugh
6/6/13
I was thinking of Clipse’s “When the Last Time” as another one of those, something that doesn’t entirely seem like it’d work on paper. But it was making me wonder how often you start something and it actually doesn’t come together, and you have to toss it and move to the next thing.
Pharrell:Yeah — either I toss it, or the artist tosses it. Like, “I’m a Slave 4 U” was made for Janet Jackson. Justin Timberlake’s first album — all those songs, with the exception of “Like I Love You,” were songs I made for Michael Jackson. His manager didn’t like them. Somehow I think Michael didn’t like them either, though. Because when I finally met him, he sang all those songs back to me, and said, “Those songs should have been for me.” And he just laughed. He fell out, just like I have all my life — when something is super funny my knees literally give out, and no matter where it is, I’m on the ground. He just fell on the couch, and he was really tall — six-foot-something  :icon_cool:. Filled up the whole couch. And he fell, rolled on the floor, kicking like a kid, laughing. But he sang those songs to me and he sang them just like Justin. And then he sang “You Don’t Have to Call” to me, and what was so interesting was all of them had Michael bridges. Like on the bridge of “You Don’t Have to Call,” the way I’d written it, I was trying to capture what Michael had already done with Quincy Jones and Rod Temperton, in the late seventies, early eighties. He sang those songs to me. So he kinda knew, but at the time they just weren’t good enough. But they were songs for him.

http://www.vulture.com/2013/06/pharrell-williams-interview.html#comments (http://www.vulture.com/2013/06/pharrell-williams-interview.html#comments)

You might be right on that 6 feet ,so let's move on on another "encounter",with The Man,lol :LolLolLolLol: :

R. Kelly Shares His Memories of Meeting Michael Jackson
06/25/2012
Thirty minutes and several phone calls from Jackson's people later, the legendary singer arrives.
He looked at least eight feet tall. He looked like an avatar  :icon_lol:. He was wearing a black mask over his face. Only his eyes were showing.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20606156,00.html
 (http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20606156,00.html)

The last one it's really intresting,cause it's from 2005 trial  :suspect: ,and it brings stuff ,that we already talked before:MJ's face and possible doubles.I would say that this last one it's the most intriguing,considering this hoax  :icon_e_wink: !!!


ichris2010 Sun, 09/19/2010 - 19:03
During his trial in 2005, he was walking out of the courthouse and I saw him. And I will tell you, those pictures you see of him are altered  :icon_eek:  :animal0017:. His cheekbones were not popping out of his face, there was no dead skin on his nose, and his eyes were not wide open, and his jaw was not a complete square, and his chin was not that wide. Those pictures were altered. He looked amazing, he was walking very fast. I remember I almost passed out when he waved toward me. He was tall. He was definitely taller than me. When I saw him that day, it was the greatest day of my life.
http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/node/926481
 (http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/node/926481)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on July 26, 2013, 11:00:11 AM
Applehead I think if someone had hair like that nowadays they would surely be arrested or given a ticket at least..............  No disrespect to anyone, but that hairstyle was common or "in" in the 70's and 80's.   

Thanks for all the information you posted about Michael's height, very interesting!!! 

I'm curious to know, at this point would you say that we are getting closer to finding the truth or the opposite????
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: RK on July 26, 2013, 11:22:30 AM
Just read this article from  Catherine Bach on her theory why her husband committed suicide. The poor woman still  only has a theory and no definite answers, but I'll post the link here as she says it was because of the TII tour and what happened to MJ that Peter took his own life.

http://www.eurweb.com/2013/07/catherine-bach-fears-husbands-suicide-prompted-by-michael-jacksons-death/ (http://www.eurweb.com/2013/07/catherine-bach-fears-husbands-suicide-prompted-by-michael-jacksons-death/)

Quote
Former “Dukes Of Hazzard” star Catherine Bach fears Michael Jackson’s death in 2009 prompted her lawyer husband to take his life – but she still cannot figure out why.
Peter Lopez shot himself as the first anniversary of the King of Pop’s death approached in April 2010. The entertainment lawyer, who represented Jackson and helped the superstar map out his ill-fated This Is It comeback dates, left no suicide note and Bach reveals her late husband didn’t drink or take drugs and the family was “financially stable.”
The actress only has one theory and tells tabloid The Globe, “He was the man responsible for putting the This Is It tour together. I think he felt responsible for what happened to Michael. That gave him a lot of grief.”
Jackson died from an accidental overdose of anesthetic propofol while he was in the finals stages of rehearsals for the planned This Is It dates in London.
Bach reveals she and her daughters are now over the worst of the tragedy thanks to family and friends, who have supported them through their grief. She adds, “We all fell apart. I was in a state of shock for a year. I wouldn’t sleep for weeks at a time, maybe just a few hours… (but) we’ve stayed very, very close to our priest. Our friends surrounded us with love and wouldn’t let me fall.”
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 26, 2013, 12:00:21 PM
PLEASE MJONMIND REMOVE THE PICTURE OF THE COURTROOM DOOR.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on July 26, 2013, 03:58:52 PM
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Just read this article from  Catherine Bach on her theory why her husband committed suicide. The poor woman still  only has a theory and no definite answers, but I'll post the link here as she says it was because of the TII tour and what happened to MJ that Peter took his own life.

http://www.eurweb.com/2013/07/catherine-bach-fears-husbands-suicide-prompted-by-michael-jacksons-death/ (http://www.eurweb.com/2013/07/catherine-bach-fears-husbands-suicide-prompted-by-michael-jacksons-death/)

Quote
Former “Dukes Of Hazzard” star Catherine Bach fears Michael Jackson’s death in 2009 prompted her lawyer husband to take his life – but she still cannot figure out why.
Peter Lopez shot himself as the first anniversary of the King of Pop’s death approached in April 2010. The entertainment lawyer, who represented Jackson and helped the superstar map out his ill-fated This Is It comeback dates, left no suicide note and Bach reveals her late husband didn’t drink or take drugs and the family was “financially stable.”
The actress only has one theory and tells tabloid The Globe, “He was the man responsible for putting the This Is It tour together. I think he felt responsible for what happened to Michael. That gave him a lot of grief.”
Jackson died from an accidental overdose of anesthetic propofol while he was in the finals stages of rehearsals for the planned This Is It dates in London.
Bach reveals she and her daughters are now over the worst of the tragedy thanks to family and friends, who have supported them through their grief. She adds, “We all fell apart. I was in a state of shock for a year. I wouldn’t sleep for weeks at a time, maybe just a few hours… (but) we’ve stayed very, very close to our priest. Our friends surrounded us with love and wouldn’t let me fall.”

I don't think Peter committed suicide........  But have no way of proving it......... 
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: charissa on July 26, 2013, 04:53:13 PM
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Just read this article from  Catherine Bach on her theory why her husband committed suicide. The poor woman still  only has a theory and no definite answers, but I'll post the link here as she says it was because of the TII tour and what happened to MJ that Peter took his own life.

http://www.eurweb.com/2013/07/catherine-bach-fears-husbands-suicide-prompted-by-michael-jacksons-death/ (http://www.eurweb.com/2013/07/catherine-bach-fears-husbands-suicide-prompted-by-michael-jacksons-death/)

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Former “Dukes Of Hazzard” star Catherine Bach fears Michael Jackson’s death in 2009 prompted her lawyer husband to take his life – but she still cannot figure out why.
Peter Lopez shot himself as the first anniversary of the King of Pop’s death approached in April 2010. The entertainment lawyer, who represented Jackson and helped the superstar map out his ill-fated This Is It comeback dates, left no suicide note and Bach reveals her late husband didn’t drink or take drugs and the family was “financially stable.”
The actress only has one theory and tells tabloid The Globe, “He was the man responsible for putting the This Is It tour together. I think he felt responsible for what happened to Michael. That gave him a lot of grief.”
Jackson died from an accidental overdose of anesthetic propofol while he was in the finals stages of rehearsals for the planned This Is It dates in London.
Bach reveals she and her daughters are now over the worst of the tragedy thanks to family and friends, who have supported them through their grief. She adds, “We all fell apart. I was in a state of shock for a year. I wouldn’t sleep for weeks at a time, maybe just a few hours… (but) we’ve stayed very, very close to our priest. Our friends surrounded us with love and wouldn’t let me fall.”

I don't think Peter committed suicide........  But have no way of proving it.........

This man's (tragic) death is actually what my interest in all of this (the hoax).

I've worked with hundreds of people who have attempted suicide. The pattern is not there in Peter Lopez's case. There are no 'markers', so to speak. Most suicidal people only kill themselves after exhibiting suicidal tendencies. Lopez didn't.  Most leave some sort of indication they took their own lives (notes etc.), especially when they have families. Peter didn't. I've always believed he was murdered. The timing, the nature of his death, his affiliations...He knew too much about something. IMO.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: RK on July 26, 2013, 07:27:39 PM
 I hold the same opinion regarding Peter Lopez's passing. His silencing seems to be very much linked to this whole hoax. Catherine would have to choose her words wisely for safety reasons.   
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on July 26, 2013, 08:15:15 PM
Apple:

Jody Armour is a Professor of Law at the University of Southern Cali and specializes in race issues in legal decision-making. Has made lots of comments on MJ related cases.

With hair like that I knew he had to be either a) a professor or b) a scientist LOL


Someone correct me if I am wrong... I don't think he has ever represented MJ. More analysing the legal "goings on" from a race perspective.


Edit: Actually saw this news bulletin on the Sth Cali Uni website:


JODY ARMOUR, USC law professor, can talk about the legacy and life of Michael Jackson as well as legal issues that may arise from Jackson’s death. Armour can be reached at (323) 573-0444 (cellular).


Seems to have a penchant for MJ...
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on July 27, 2013, 03:24:30 AM
Sweet, done!

As I've read testimony the last few days, over and over I get the impression that MJ is taking "copious" amounts of drugs particularly demerol and propofol, that if true would have killed him many many times over (Nevermind CM giving him prop 4 60 days-he should have died 60X). The time period seems pretty much the planning of the hoax as Back said 20 years (starting 1989 or before). From testimony it appears that at least David Fournier and Scott Saunders were both giving MJ excessive amounts of drugs 1 after the other with perhaps some overlap, and not being told by MJ about the other doctor. This is so deja vu with Murray/Klein and other doctors.   Now these main 4 or more doctors who cared for him and gave him the drugs either have to be in on the hoax, or they were injecting into a superhuman person who could remain healthy, smart, and loving to raise his family and plan for TII. MJ seems to have hidden all trace of being a drug user from people around him, especially his mother. Could there be this double who is 6 feet tall who took all the drugs, who truly died under CM's care, or was it some horribly disfigured bed ridden burn victim who legally changed his name to MJJ, and for years needed all this drug for pain management, had hundreds of facial surgeries done requiring propofol to have a face again (perhaps MJ-like) who became the DWD patient TS told about. (Who knows maybe he was an Elephant-man type that MJ wanted to help out.) Or was there some dummy that the doctors injected the drugs into to say they did it in later years, which seems such a huge waste of money/resources. Just like the movie The Prestige, which we've talked about many times, there is something that is allowing MJ to perform this illusion. In the movie it was a twin that they kept secret and 1 twin even had a finger chopped off to look like the other to fool the audience. I know MJ has created an illusion of his drug use, his death, and he is teasing us mercilessly with all these details in the testimony, and we remain stumped.

Yesterday I really laughed about MJ not following doctors orders.
The sprained ankle shows the slight over-lap of the 2 doctors, or where Saunders took over after Fournier got mad at MJ, and MJ stopped seeing him or wishing him a Happy Birthday! :icon_lol:
Quote
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 25 Jul
Fournier said they had a good relationship and MJ was a good patient. But MJ did not followed post-operative recommendations.

...

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 25 Jul
Fournier tapped at the window and saw MJ eating a bucket of chicken and some biscuits. "He was embarrassed," Fournier said.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 25 Jul
But he said he happened to drive by Kentucky Fried Chicken, saw MJ's limo parked.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 25 Jul
Fournier said he tells patients after anesthesia to resume diet slowly, told MJ to go home, have crackers, soup.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 25 Jul
"I told him to go home and instead of going home he went to rehearse," Fournier said. MJ sprained his ankle at rehearsal for Grammy Awards.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 25 Jul
Fournier said that post-operatively they want patients to go home with an adult to keep an eye on them for 24 hours.

Interesting that Fournier had $70,000 invested in giving propofol, while Murray had a few simple medical supplies perhaps $100s. What a joke!
Quote
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 25 Jul
All the equipments needed are very expensive, Fournier said. He had about $70,000 invested in his operating room.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 25 Jul
Fournier read the label of Diprivan (brand name for Propofol). He said monitoring the patient is a full time job.

These tweets almost made me think of the DWD patient whose name was changed to MJJ.
Quote
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8h
There was a keypad that the man pushed a series of buttons and the door opened, the doctor testified.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8h
Dr. Saunders did not recognized the man on the bed as MJ. He said the room was dark.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8h
Dr. Saunders: I said nice to meet you, Mr. Jackson. And he said 'I'm sick.'

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8h
Dr. Saunders: He and took me in to a bedroom. There was a guy lying on the bed, he said 'I am Michael Jackson.'

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8h
Someone let him in, he waited at the entrance for about half an hour.

Dr. Saunders: Someone, a man, came when I was ready to leave.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8h
Dr. Saunders said he drove to Neverland, there was a kiosk at the entrance of the house, he pushed the button, followed a car to a house.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8h
"He had an upper respiratory infection," Dr. Saunders said.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8h
"And I said yes and she gave me the address," the doctor said.
Hunt: Did you treat MJ that day?
Dr. Saunders: Yes
This also reminded me of the 'sickly MJ' that was at the meeting at the Carolwood house that day on June 19, where RP, KO, CM were and Kai Chase served them food, noting that MJ wore a mask, was fully covered and she couldn't tell if it was MJ, and the vase broke.

Back's words:
Quote
Though the hands of tIME still move incrementally, tick-tock, tick-tock, it is quickly running thin on the 2 decade long, elaborate planning that culminated in this execution. I can now understand that "vision" of 6/25/06 relapse", with CLARITY. This is no conspiracy theory! However, believe as you may. But believing and knowing--- are two different things.

Arms, wrist and feet. Bludgeoned through the veins.
Arms, wrist and feet, Poisoned through the veins.
Two different Kings, with different Reigns.
And The End result shall be the same.

JUSTICE........For it is already written!

Just some thoughts.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on July 27, 2013, 05:13:21 AM
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Apple:

Jody Armour is a Professor of Law at the University of Southern Cali and specializes in race issues in legal decision-making. Has made lots of comments on MJ related cases.

With hair like that I knew he had to be either a) a professor or b) a scientist LOL


Someone correct me if I am wrong... I don't think he has ever represented MJ. More analysing the legal "goings on" from a race perspective.


Edit: Actually saw this news bulletin on the Sth Cali Uni website:


JODY ARMOUR, USC law professor, can talk about the legacy and life of Michael Jackson as well as legal issues that may arise from Jackson’s death. Armour can be reached at (323) 573-0444 (cellular).


Seems to have a penchant for MJ...

It's not only him who has a penchant for MJ lol  :LolLolLolLol: ....there are lot more  :icon_lol: !!!!
Thank's for the info and tel.number ,but I will pass that ,cause I don't think he wants to be disturbed  :thjajaja121: !!!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on July 27, 2013, 05:23:59 AM
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Applehead I think if someone had hair like that nowadays they would surely be arrested or given a ticket at least..............  No disrespect to anyone, but that hairstyle was common or "in" in the 70's and 80's.   

Thanks for all the information you posted about Michael's height, very interesting!!! 

I'm curious to know, at this point would you say that we are getting closer to finding the truth or the opposite????

You're welcome ,Faith  :bearhug: !!!
Do you really want my honest opinion?? Ok, I will give you my opinion then:
I don't think  we will ever find the whole truth,and this hoax will not have an end.Not now and not ever,because it's all for/about LOVE.....sorry for/about Entertainment  :icon_e_wink: .
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 27, 2013, 09:51:32 AM
Thanks MJonmind for removing it, talking about the DWD patient if I recall well we said he was shorter than MJ.

Applehead this hoax has to have an end sooner or later, Michael can't be playing hide and seek during all his life  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on July 27, 2013, 01:27:39 PM
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Sweet, done!

As I've read testimony the last few days, over and over I get the impression that MJ is taking "copious" amounts of drugs particularly demerol and propofol, that if true would have killed him many many times over (Nevermind CM giving him prop 4 60 days-he should have died 60X). The time period seems pretty much the planning of the hoax as Back said 20 years (starting 1989 or before). From testimony it appears that at least David Fournier and Scott Saunders were both giving MJ excessive amounts of drugs 1 after the other with perhaps some overlap, and not being told by MJ about the other doctor. This is so deja vu with Murray/Klein and other doctors.   Now these main 4 or more doctors who cared for him and gave him the drugs either have to be in on the hoax, or they were injecting into a superhuman person who could remain healthy, smart, and loving to raise his family and plan for TII. MJ seems to have hidden all trace of being a drug user from people around him, especially his mother. Could there be this double who is 6 feet tall who took all the drugs, who truly died under CM's care, or was it some horribly disfigured bed ridden burn victim who legally changed his name to MJJ, and for years needed all this drug for pain management, had hundreds of facial surgeries done requiring propofol to have a face again (perhaps MJ-like) who became the DWD patient TS told about. (Who knows maybe he was an Elephant-man type that MJ wanted to help out.) Or was there some dummy that the doctors injected the drugs into to say they did it in later years, which seems such a huge waste of money/resources. Just like the movie The Prestige, which we've talked about many times, there is something that is allowing MJ to perform this illusion. In the movie it was a twin that they kept secret and 1 twin even had a finger chopped off to look like the other to fool the audience. I know MJ has created an illusion of his drug use, his death, and he is teasing us mercilessly with all these details in the testimony, and we remain stumped.

Yesterday I really laughed about MJ not following doctors orders.
The sprained ankle shows the slight over-lap of the 2 doctors, or where Saunders took over after Fournier got mad at MJ, and MJ stopped seeing him or wishing him a Happy Birthday! :icon_lol:
Quote
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 25 Jul
Fournier said they had a good relationship and MJ was a good patient. But MJ did not followed post-operative recommendations.

...

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 25 Jul
Fournier tapped at the window and saw MJ eating a bucket of chicken and some biscuits. "He was embarrassed," Fournier said.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 25 Jul
But he said he happened to drive by Kentucky Fried Chicken, saw MJ's limo parked.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 25 Jul
Fournier said he tells patients after anesthesia to resume diet slowly, told MJ to go home, have crackers, soup.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 25 Jul
"I told him to go home and instead of going home he went to rehearse," Fournier said. MJ sprained his ankle at rehearsal for Grammy Awards.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 25 Jul
Fournier said that post-operatively they want patients to go home with an adult to keep an eye on them for 24 hours.

Interesting that Fournier had $70,000 invested in giving propofol, while Murray had a few simple medical supplies perhaps $100s. What a joke!
Quote
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 25 Jul
All the equipments needed are very expensive, Fournier said. He had about $70,000 invested in his operating room.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 25 Jul
Fournier read the label of Diprivan (brand name for Propofol). He said monitoring the patient is a full time job.

These tweets almost made me think of the DWD patient whose name was changed to MJJ.
Quote
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8h
There was a keypad that the man pushed a series of buttons and the door opened, the doctor testified.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8h
Dr. Saunders did not recognized the man on the bed as MJ. He said the room was dark.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8h
Dr. Saunders: I said nice to meet you, Mr. Jackson. And he said 'I'm sick.'

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8h
Dr. Saunders: He and took me in to a bedroom. There was a guy lying on the bed, he said 'I am Michael Jackson.'

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8h
Someone let him in, he waited at the entrance for about half an hour.

Dr. Saunders: Someone, a man, came when I was ready to leave.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8h
Dr. Saunders said he drove to Neverland, there was a kiosk at the entrance of the house, he pushed the button, followed a car to a house.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8h
"He had an upper respiratory infection," Dr. Saunders said.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8h
"And I said yes and she gave me the address," the doctor said.
Hunt: Did you treat MJ that day?
Dr. Saunders: Yes
This also reminded me of the 'sickly MJ' that was at the meeting at the Carolwood house that day on June 19, where RP, KO, CM were and Kai Chase served them food, noting that MJ wore a mask, was fully covered and she couldn't tell if it was MJ, and the vase broke.

Back's words:
Quote
Though the hands of tIME still move incrementally, tick-tock, tick-tock, it is quickly running thin on the 2 decade long, elaborate planning that culminated in this execution. I can now understand that "vision" of 6/25/06 relapse", with CLARITY. This is no conspiracy theory! However, believe as you may. But believing and knowing--- are two different things.

Arms, wrist and feet. Bludgeoned through the veins.
Arms, wrist and feet, Poisoned through the veins.
Two different Kings, with different Reigns.
And The End result shall be the same.

JUSTICE........For it is already written!

Just some thoughts.

MJonmind thank you for the detailed info  :bearhug: !!!
The part about KFC ( King for chicken   :icon_lol:)   just made my day  :thjajaja121: !!! I saw this info yesterday,go figure my forum profile  :thjajaja121: !!!
 I heard he went to Popeye's for some red beans and rice too but he liked to keep that on the dl...KFC thought they had it on lock and MJ was a gentleman about these things  :icon_geek: .


(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2009/07/25/0725_joe_jackson_popeyes-1.jpg)

Runs in the family, it seems. (http://images.lipstickalley.net/images/smilies/Wacky%20Emoticons/no.gif)  :icon_lol:
Hilarious story about MJ sneaking/eating chicken at night when he thought nobody would have seen him :D and he was supposed to be fasting ahaaha  :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol:!(0:51:14-0:55:00)


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOg2611In88[/youtube]

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Snoopy71 on July 27, 2013, 01:50:27 PM
(http://i42.tinypic.com/5beyq.jpg)

 :icon_lol:

Nurse details anesthetic treatments for Michael Jackson


Michael Jackson had a high tolerance for certain drugs and wasn't always forthcoming with his medical history, a nurse anesthetist who treated the singer testified Thursday.

Witness David Fournier told jurors he had worked with Jackson for a decade until the relationship ended in 2003, when Fournier refused to participate in a medical procedure.

Jackson was acting "goofy" and was slow to respond to standard questions before a scheduled cosmetic surgery that was canceled after Fournier refused to administer an anesthetic, he said.

The incident came a few months after Fournier said he had to help Jackson breath while undergoing another procedure and later determined that Jackson had not disclosed a new medical condition.

"He wasn't honest with me," Fournier said without detailing the change in Jackson.

At the time, Jackson had an implant in his abdomen to block the effects of Demerol and other opiate drugs.

Fournier testified that he had given the singer a relatively large dose of a powerful anesthetic and needed to know how Jackson was going to react.

A judge ruled that Fournier couldn't testify about the implant because he learned about it from Jackson's dermatologist, and it was a hearsay statement.


Jurors, however, had heard about the device through videotaped testimony of another Jackson doctor on Wednesday.

Fournier testified as a defense witness in a negligence case filed by Jackson's mother against AEG Live LLC, the promoter of Jackson's comeback shows.

Katherine Jackson claims the concert promoter failed to properly investigate the doctor who was later convicted of involuntary manslaughter for giving Jackson an overdose of the anesthetic propofol as a sleep aid in 2009.

AEG denies it is liable for Jackson's death. Its lawyers have said Jackson hid his prescription drug use from nearly everyone.

Fournier said his incomplete medical records show he administered propofol to Jackson at least 14 times between 2000 and 2003. He estimated he gave the singer the drug numerous other times over the years for a variety of cosmetic and dental procedures.

He noted in his records that Jackson had a high tolerance for certain drugs, which Fournier said could be attributed to a variety of factors, including genetics.

Fournier said it was not common to administer an anesthetic during cosmetic procedures, but the ones done on Jackson were complex and involved dozens of injections.

Fournier also said he never had any indication that the singer was using propofol as a treatment for insomnia.

Jackson's physician Conrad Murray had been giving the singer nightly doses of propofol as Jackson prepared for his ill-fated "This Is It" shows.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-207_162-57595673/nurse-details-anesthetic-treatments-for-michael-jackson/



I can't wait to hear what Debbie Rowe has to say....I'll bet ten bucks Klein comes out of hiding next week too... :animal0017:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on July 27, 2013, 02:07:41 PM
Snoopy71, only ten bucks??? I'm willing to bet a whopping one dollar..........
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on July 27, 2013, 05:57:16 PM
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Snoopy71, only ten bucks??? I'm willing to bet a whopping one dollar..........



 :icon_lol: :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on July 29, 2013, 05:00:23 AM
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Thanks MJonmind for removing it, talking about the DWD patient if I recall well we said he was shorter than MJ.

Applehead this hoax has to have an end sooner or later, Michael can't be playing hide and seek during all his life  :icon_lol:

NO,he won't come back ,mark my words  :icon_cool: !!!!
Sony have not called their loggo, make beLIEve, for no reason.


Quote
Look closely, because the closer you think you are, the less you will actually see .
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on July 29, 2013, 06:20:02 AM
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Just read this article from  Catherine Bach on her theory why her husband committed suicide. The poor woman still  only has a theory and no definite answers, but I'll post the link here as she says it was because of the TII tour and what happened to MJ that Peter took his own life.

http://www.eurweb.com/2013/07/catherine-bach-fears-husbands-suicide-prompted-by-michael-jacksons-death/ (http://www.eurweb.com/2013/07/catherine-bach-fears-husbands-suicide-prompted-by-michael-jacksons-death/)

Quote
Former “Dukes Of Hazzard” star Catherine Bach fears Michael Jackson’s death in 2009 prompted her lawyer husband to take his life – but she still cannot figure out why.
Peter Lopez shot himself as the first anniversary of the King of Pop’s death approached in April 2010. The entertainment lawyer, who represented Jackson and helped the superstar map out his ill-fated This Is It comeback dates, left no suicide note and Bach reveals her late husband didn’t drink or take drugs and the family was “financially stable.”
The actress only has one theory and tells tabloid The Globe, “He was the man responsible for putting the This Is It tour together. I think he felt responsible for what happened to Michael. That gave him a lot of grief.”
Jackson died from an accidental overdose of anesthetic propofol while he was in the finals stages of rehearsals for the planned This Is It dates in London.
Bach reveals she and her daughters are now over the worst of the tragedy thanks to family and friends, who have supported them through their grief. She adds, “We all fell apart. I was in a state of shock for a year. I wouldn’t sleep for weeks at a time, maybe just a few hours… (but) we’ve stayed very, very close to our priest. Our friends surrounded us with love and wouldn’t let me fall.”

3 years have passed, and still nothing about Peter Lopez death.Why I'm not surprised  :icon_rolleyes: .It seems that we will have to ask Raffles Dawson,Arnie Klein and brother Jermaine, about Lopez death.,then.

(http://diaryofahollywoodstreetking.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/raffles-van-exel-spotted-in-weho.jpg)
Raffles van Exel Connected To Gay Mafia!
by Jacky Jasper

Raffles van Exel favorite quote: “Knowledge is Power”
HSK Exclusive - We’re getting word Raffles van Exel (real name: Raffles Dawson) was once a gigolo who catered exclusively to male clientele. I would tell you to ask Michael Jackson’s former attorney Peter Lopez, but back in 2010, he was found dead from a gun shot to his head. Don’t believe me.. Ask the blackmailer, Raffles Van Exel....................

(http://diaryofahollywoodstreetking.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/dr-arnold-klein-is-HSK-reader.jpg)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 29, 2013, 06:32:37 AM
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Thanks MJonmind for removing it, talking about the DWD patient if I recall well we said he was shorter than MJ.

Applehead this hoax has to have an end sooner or later, Michael can't be playing hide and seek during all his life  :icon_lol:

NO,he won't come back ,mark my words  :icon_cool: !!!!
Sony have not called their loggo, make beLIEve, for no reason.


Quote
Look closely, because the closer you think you are, the less you will actually see .

1) BeLIEve = Faked Death
2) Sony logo MAKE.BELIEVE = all the clues Michael is leaking to make audience believe he is alive and us to expand it, I never saw a so lasting logo as this of Sony WHICH will last until Michael's BAM IMO.
3) Look closely because the closer you think you are the less you will actually see = you will always think you are close to BAM but BAM will happen when you least expect it.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on July 29, 2013, 10:23:37 AM
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Just read this article from  Catherine Bach on her theory why her husband committed suicide. The poor woman still  only has a theory and no definite answers, but I'll post the link here as she says it was because of the TII tour and what happened to MJ that Peter took his own life.

http://www.eurweb.com/2013/07/catherine-bach-fears-husbands-suicide-prompted-by-michael-jacksons-death/ (http://www.eurweb.com/2013/07/catherine-bach-fears-husbands-suicide-prompted-by-michael-jacksons-death/)

Quote
Former “Dukes Of Hazzard” star Catherine Bach fears Michael Jackson’s death in 2009 prompted her lawyer husband to take his life – but she still cannot figure out why.
Peter Lopez shot himself as the first anniversary of the King of Pop’s death approached in April 2010. The entertainment lawyer, who represented Jackson and helped the superstar map out his ill-fated This Is It comeback dates, left no suicide note and Bach reveals her late husband didn’t drink or take drugs and the family was “financially stable.”
The actress only has one theory and tells tabloid The Globe, “He was the man responsible for putting the This Is It tour together. I think he felt responsible for what happened to Michael. That gave him a lot of grief.”
Jackson died from an accidental overdose of anesthetic propofol while he was in the finals stages of rehearsals for the planned This Is It dates in London.
Bach reveals she and her daughters are now over the worst of the tragedy thanks to family and friends, who have supported them through their grief. She adds, “We all fell apart. I was in a state of shock for a year. I wouldn’t sleep for weeks at a time, maybe just a few hours… (but) we’ve stayed very, very close to our priest. Our friends surrounded us with love and wouldn’t let me fall.”

3 years have passed, and still nothing about Peter Lopez death.Why I'm not surprised  :icon_rolleyes: .It seems that we will have to ask Raffles Dawson,Arnie Klein and brother Jermaine, about Lopez death.,then.

(http://diaryofahollywoodstreetking.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/raffles-van-exel-spotted-in-weho.jpg)
Raffles van Exel Connected To Gay Mafia!
by Jacky Jasper

Raffles van Exel favorite quote: “Knowledge is Power”
HSK Exclusive - We’re getting word Raffles van Exel (real name: Raffles Dawson) was once a gigolo who catered exclusively to male clientele. I would tell you to ask Michael Jackson’s former attorney Peter Lopez, but back in 2010, he was found dead from a gun shot to his head. Don’t believe me.. Ask the blackmailer, Raffles Van Exel....................

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The truth is so well hidden that we may not find it for years and years...........   It's so obvious why Klein wasn't a witness during Murray's trial and he still is not a witness now during the AEG trial; he knows too much about all of these leeches, blackmailers and hangers on who were around Michael........

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MJonmind on July 29, 2013, 12:43:16 PM
People seeming to have immunity from testifying under oath--Klein, Raffles, Tohme, Murray, Branca, and many more that are/were close enough to MJ to know key information. I think each are being 'saved' to 'reveal' in due time, for maximum effect. This is one collossal (understatement) reality show (bonus healing the world & restoring MJ's good name) spanning MJ career and beyond.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on July 29, 2013, 05:59:26 PM
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People seeming to have immunity from testifying under oath--Klein, Raffles, Tohme, Murray, Branca, and many more that are/were close enough to MJ to know key information. I think each are being 'saved' to 'reveal' in due time, for maximum effect. This is one collossal (understatement) reality show (bonus healing the world & restoring MJ's good name) spanning MJ career and beyond.


I think you are right MJonmind.....the best is yet to come...for sure !!!!  :woohoo2:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Starchild on July 30, 2013, 09:39:49 AM
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People seeming to have immunity from testifying under oath--Klein, Raffles, Tohme, Murray, Branca, and many more that are/were close enough to MJ to know key information. I think each are being 'saved' to 'reveal' in due time, for maximum effect. This is one collossal (understatement) reality show (bonus healing the world & restoring MJ's good name) spanning MJ career and beyond.


I think you are right MJonmind.....the best is yet to come...for sure !!!!  :woohoo2:

Hmmm. Now that you mention it, it is noteworthy that we've yet to see any of these key people subpoenaed, especially Klein and Murray.   :icon_idea:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 30, 2013, 05:07:24 PM
Debbie Rowe won't be called to testify this week in Michael Jackson wrongful death trial

TUESDAY, JULY 30, 2013, 1:29 AM

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Debbie Rowe won't be called to testify this week but remains a probable witness in the Michael Jackson wrongful death trial unfolding in Los Angeles, a defense lawyer said Monday.

AEG Live lawyer Marvin Putnam said Rowe, the King of Pop's ex-wife and the birth mother of his oldest son and daughter, "probably" will be called to testify but not until other witnesses including Michael's oldest sibling Rebbie Jackson take the stand.

Jurors also are expected to hear videotaped deposition testimony from Michael's youngest brother Randy Jackson, he said.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/rowe-won-called-testify-week-article-1.1412338

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Snoopy71 on July 30, 2013, 06:20:40 PM
Is it just me or are there a lot of "video" depositions in this trial? (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-scared010.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

It will be interesting to see what Rebbie and Randy say.(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/chin.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Snoopy71 on July 30, 2013, 07:48:15 PM
Bad news hurt Michael Jackson's earning potential, witness says
By Alan Duke, CNN



updated 9:30 AM EDT, Tue July 30, 2013

Los Angeles (CNN) -- Negative headlines about drugs and sex abuse charges greatly diminished Michael Jackson's earning potential, an entertainment consultant said.

Jackson's album sales dropped sharply from his peak and his "likability" rating turned dramatically negative after "significantly negative headlines, drug abuse and other issues," Eric Briggs testified.

Briggs' testimony in the wrongful death trial of AEG Live is intended to counter an expert hired by Jackson lawyers who concluded the pop icon would have earned another $1.5 billion from world tours had he not died while preparing for his comeback concerts.

AEG Live placed a big bet on Jackson's ability to sell tickets when it signed him to a three-year deal for his "This Is It" tour. While the company worked hard to convince Jackson in 2009 to let them produce and promote the concerts, it paid Briggs more than $700,000 to prepare testimony for this trial questioning Jackson's star power.

In fact, AEG Live executives bragged at the time about how Jackson's first 50 London concerts sold out in record time with enough potential buyers lined up to sell out another 50 shows.

If a jury decides that AEG Live is liable for Jackson's death, his lost earnings potential would factor into their determination of damages to be paid by the concert promoter.

Michael Jackson's drug use explored in trial

Michael Jackson's mother and three children are suing AEG Live, contending it negligently hired, retained or supervised the doctor convicted of involuntary manslaughter in his death.

AEG Live lawyers argue that Jackson, not their executives, chose and controlled Dr. Conrad Murray and that they had no way of knowing about the dangerous treatments he was giving Jackson in the privacy of his bedroom.

They contend the singer was so deceptive and secretive about his medical treatments and drug use that even his family did not know. To help make their case, they'll play video of Jackson's youngest brother Randy being questioned about it. His testimony is expected to be shown to jurors after Brigg's testimony is concluded Wednesday.

Jackson's oldest sister Rebbie and ex-wife Debbie Rowe are also lined up to testify in the coming days. AEG Live is compelling their testimony, hoping to get revelations about Jackson's drug use.

Tuesday marks the 59th day of testimony in the trial, which the judge said could take another six weeks in a Los Angeles courtroom.

MJ's Q score

Briggs testified that he studied "Q score" data for Jackson, the trend of his album sales and his stability to conclude that Jackson had a low chance of earning money from endorsements and sponsorships.

An entertainment industry analyst hired by Jackson lawyers testified he was "reasonably certain" Jackson would have earned $300 million from endorsements and sponsorships.

Briggs disputed the estimate, saying that while Jackson was "a great performer" companies decide which celebrities to align their products with based on "likability" as measured by "Q scores."

Jackson's "Q score" in 1993 was in line with the average male musical performer, with about one person of every two surveyed saying they liked him, Briggs said. That was the year Jackson announced he had a problem with painkillers, and he entered rehab.

His score became dramatically negative over the next decade, Briggs said. By 2006, a year after he was acquitted in a child molestation trial, more than seven people said they disliked Jackson for every one who said they liked him, Briggs testified.

Companies would be "very anxious" about putting someone with such negative "likability" next to their products, he said.

Jackson lawyer Brian Panish will have a chance to question Briggs about his conclusions Tuesday.

AEG Live exec: 'Celine Dion's bigger than MJ'
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on July 31, 2013, 06:23:33 PM
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Bad news hurt Michael Jackson's earning potential, witness says
By Alan Duke, CNN



updated 9:30 AM EDT, Tue July 30, 2013

Los Angeles (CNN) -- Negative headlines about drugs and sex abuse charges greatly diminished Michael Jackson's earning potential, an entertainment consultant said.

Jackson's album sales dropped sharply from his peak and his "likability" rating turned dramatically negative after "significantly negative headlines, drug abuse and other issues," Eric Briggs testified.

Briggs' testimony in the wrongful death trial of AEG Live is intended to counter an expert hired by Jackson lawyers who concluded the pop icon would have earned another $1.5 billion from world tours had he not died while preparing for his comeback concerts.

AEG Live placed a big bet on Jackson's ability to sell tickets when it signed him to a three-year deal for his "This Is It" tour. While the company worked hard to convince Jackson in 2009 to let them produce and promote the concerts, it paid Briggs more than $700,000 to prepare testimony for this trial questioning Jackson's star power.

In fact, AEG Live executives bragged at the time about how Jackson's first 50 London concerts sold out in record time with enough potential buyers lined up to sell out another 50 shows.

If a jury decides that AEG Live is liable for Jackson's death, his lost earnings potential would factor into their determination of damages to be paid by the concert promoter.

Michael Jackson's drug use explored in trial

Michael Jackson's mother and three children are suing AEG Live, contending it negligently hired, retained or supervised the doctor convicted of involuntary manslaughter in his death.

AEG Live lawyers argue that Jackson, not their executives, chose and controlled Dr. Conrad Murray and that they had no way of knowing about the dangerous treatments he was giving Jackson in the privacy of his bedroom.

They contend the singer was so deceptive and secretive about his medical treatments and drug use that even his family did not know. To help make their case, they'll play video of Jackson's youngest brother Randy being questioned about it. His testimony is expected to be shown to jurors after Brigg's testimony is concluded Wednesday.

Jackson's oldest sister Rebbie and ex-wife Debbie Rowe are also lined up to testify in the coming days. AEG Live is compelling their testimony, hoping to get revelations about Jackson's drug use.

Tuesday marks the 59th day of testimony in the trial, which the judge said could take another six weeks in a Los Angeles courtroom.

MJ's Q score

Briggs testified that he studied "Q score" data for Jackson, the trend of his album sales and his stability to conclude that Jackson had a low chance of earning money from endorsements and sponsorships.

An entertainment industry analyst hired by Jackson lawyers testified he was "reasonably certain" Jackson would have earned $300 million from endorsements and sponsorships.

Briggs disputed the estimate, saying that while Jackson was "a great performer" companies decide which celebrities to align their products with based on "likability" as measured by "Q scores."

Jackson's "Q score" in 1993 was in line with the average male musical performer, with about one person of every two surveyed saying they liked him, Briggs said. That was the year Jackson announced he had a problem with painkillers, and he entered rehab.

His score became dramatically negative over the next decade, Briggs said. By 2006, a year after he was acquitted in a child molestation trial, more than seven people said they disliked Jackson for every one who said they liked him, Briggs testified.

Companies would be "very anxious" about putting someone with such negative "likability" next to their products, he said.

Jackson lawyer Brian Panish will have a chance to question Briggs about his conclusions Tuesday.

AEG Live exec: 'Celine Dion's bigger than MJ'


oh brother !   :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on July 31, 2013, 10:01:04 PM
The U.S. GOVERNMENT is mentioned in these tweets:

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Briggs said he only learned about what he knows of what the government claims regarding Sony ATV catalogue from the Estate.
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Panish argues there's no attorney-client privilege,and Briggs should be ordered to answer.
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Briggs: They hired us to perform work related to Sony ATV catalogue as of the date of MJ's death.
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Briggs: The only information I received in this regard came from lawyers of the Estate of Michael Jackson.
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Panish: You' are well aware the value of one asset is doubled any debt he had, isn't that, sir?
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Briggs: The only information I have in that respect is from attorneys of the Estate of Michael Jackson and I'm concerned w/ confidentiality
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Panish: Government has stated one MJ asset is worth twice his debt, isn't it, sir?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on August 02, 2013, 11:21:09 AM

 

Tweets
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LaPerruque: MJ saw me and said Mike! Came running to me, gave me a big hug. He asked if they could talk, I took him to a private room.

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LaPerruque said he saw MJ about 2 weeks prior to his death. He was working for Janet, she threw a party for their parents at a restaurant.
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LaPerruque said he never thought of selling his story to the tabloids.

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"I was mad, but not mad at him," LaPerruque said. "Because of what I heard why we stopped working together." (financial reasons)

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LaPerruque retained an attorney to speak with MJ's reps to enforce agreement they had. They settled.

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LaPerruque said he tried calling MJ several times about getting paid but never heard back.

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MJ then moved to Las Vegas. He spoke with Raymone Bain, who said MJ had moved. He never heard from anyone about working again.

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This was in November 2007. He still didn't get paid.

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LaPerruque spoke with MJ. "He said he was very embarrassed not being able to pay me, he said he was going to make it right, apologized."

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He stopped in the beginning of 2008. Work began in August of 2007, got paid in September and didn't get paid anymore until 2008.

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"The production company wasn't paying me for my services," LaPerruque testified.

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LaPerruque said he stopped working for MJ due to financial difficulties. "I wasn't getting paid," LaPerruque explained.

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LaPerruque said he did not have any concern with MJ being under the influence of prescription drug in 2007.

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The security head never told AEG about any of the concerns he had with Michael Jackson.

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LaPerruque said he seemed happy, did not ask about how the meeting went.

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The meeting lasted a couple of hours, LaPerruque said. He escorted MJ to Penn Station, he wanted to pick up some doughnuts for the kids.

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"Michael seemed bright and alert at this meeting. He seemed excited," LaPerruque said.

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During this time, LaPerruque took MJ to NYC to meet with AEG Live execs. He escorted MJ into the room, probably 10 people or more present.

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LaPerruque had a written agreement to work as head of security for Michael Jackson. He worked for him for only a few months in 07.

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Based on the meeting, that's why he went back to work with him in 2007. His job was the same as before. He spoke with Raymone Bain.
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LaPerruque said Michael appeared bright, clear, energetic, full of energy. He wanted to do a lot of things.

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They met face to face, since the last time they spoke was in the Arvizo trial. He wanted to hear what MJ wanted him back.

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After meeting with him and speaking with his manager at the time, LaPerruque left the LA Times and went to work for Michael Jackson.
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LaPerruque: At that time, my children had grown older, started their own things, always enjoyed the challenge working for MJ.

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"He kind of grew on me," LaPerruque explained. "I did care for the man."

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LaPerruque: MJ always appreciated my loyalty, best security he ever had, asked me to return to work for him.

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Grace Rwamba called LaPerruque and said she wanted to meet him, had a message from Michael Jackson.

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In 2007, LaPerruque went back to work for Michael Jackson. He was still the head of security of the LA Times.

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He also worked on internal investigations, security of journalists working on hostile environment in Iraq.

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LaPerruque took other jobs. He became in charge for the security of LA Times printing plants and security of corporate office.
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LaPerruque said the other reason was the revenue stream, which was harder and harder, and financial matters were becoming an issue.

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LaPerruque: He and I had discussed me taking some time off.

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He said he saw MJ's litigation with the Arvizo family (molestation accusation), had been in court before and knew how demanding it was.

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LaPerruque: I was never home, I missed a lot my children, birthdays, holidays.

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First, he had two young children and at the service of MJ you work at his pleasure, you never had set schedule.

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LaPerruque said there were two reasons he stopped working for MJ.

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"I never saw him swallow a pill, never saw him take injections," LaPerruque testified.

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Putnam: Did you ever have an impression Mr. Jackson was trying to hide drugs from you?
LaPerruque: No.

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Putnam: Did you have any understanding MJ was taking Propofol?
LaPerruque: No

LaPerruque never discussed using Propofol with MJ.

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LaPerruque: There was one occasion I took him the doctor and I assumed he was there to see if he could find anything to help him sleep.

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LaPerruque said Michael told him he had trouble sleeping.

LaPerruque: He was trying to find something that would help him sleep.

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"He demanded to see Michael," LaPerruque recalled. "I told him that MJ said he didn't want to see any of his family members at the time."

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LaPerruque: I was at the front gate, saw private helicopter flying very low over Neverland. Randy Jackson was in the helicopter.

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"It was requested by Mr. Jackson," LaPerruque said.

Putnam: He wanted to make sure his family members didn't come thru?
LaPerruque: Yes
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LaPerruque: He told me that his family would be coming over to the rancho to speak with him and asked me to interface with his relatives.

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LaPerruque remembers in 2001 Jackson family attempting an intervention. MJ asked him to come up to the ranch right away.

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LaPerruque did not see any scarring regarding an implant. He was told by a physician, and judge didn't let him continue since it's hearsay.

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Putnam: Did you ever understand MJ had surgical procedure implant to help him get off of drugs?

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The first time LaPerruque told anyone about this incident was in his deposition. Today in court was the second time.

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Putnam: Did you consider you could've made a lot of money?
LaPerruque: No
P: Why?
LP: Because I had a commitment to Michael Jackson.

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Putnam: Did you speak with anyone about that incident before?
LaPerruque: No
P: Did you ever consider letting the tabloids know?
LP: No

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LaPerruque would take MJ to doctors appointments, normally in Beverly Hills.He'd call building security alerting they were on the way.

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Putnam: Why didn't you talk to Mr. Jackson about it?
LaPerruque: Because I didn't think it was my place.

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Putnam: Did he ever thank you for coming over and helping him?
LaPerruque: No
P: Did anyone thank you?
LP: No

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LaPerruque said they left shortly thereafter. "I was just told we were gonna leave."

LaPerruque never discussed this incident with MJ.

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LaPerruque: Just to make sure that was no further embarrassment on Mr. Jackson's part.

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LaPerruque asked the paramedics to put on their report the name he checked himself under, not MJ name.

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LaPerruque: He was cleared, they told me he had to see a physician.

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LaPerruque tried to cancel paramedics, but they were arriving. He told them he found MJ and paramedics said they had to check him anyway.

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"He became conscious, I wouldn't say alert, but conscious," LaPerruque said. Putnam asked if he was groggy. He said yes.

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Putnam: Did you have to do mouth-to-mouth?
LaPerruque: I did
P: Did you see any drugs?
LP: No
P: Alcohol?
LP: Not that I recall

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LaPerruque: I had to check for pulse, turned him over, shook him, ultimately was breathing. I was able to wake him up, took him to his room.

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LaPerruque: I found Mr. Jackson in the hallway in the suite proned, unconscious.

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LaPerruque: I was able to go into the room, had called security partner to meet at the room as well to take the two children to nanny's room

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LaPerruque: I grabbed Mr. Jackson's keys and found Prince and Paris crying. They were crying saying they couldn't wake up daddy.

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LaPerruque would set up times to have MJ's room cleaned.

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LaPerruque said they would check in under assumed name. Room service would come to him and he would take it to MJ's room.

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LaPerruque: I was in my room, received phone call from hotel security that someone had called 911 from MJ's hotel room, like young children.

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They were staying at a Disney hotel. LaPerruque doesn't think a doctor traveled along. He stayed in a different room from MJ and kids.

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LaPerruque went a couple of times with MJ and his children to Disney World in Florida. There was a medical emergency once in 2001 or 2002.

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The security head said he never saw, anywhere, prescription drugs in MJ's hotel room or at Neverland.

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LaPerruque never saw MJ do drugs or take prescription medication. He did see open wine bottles in his room.
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"It was my concern he would overdose," LaPerruque testified.
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LaPerruque said that when he was with the sheriff's department he saw a number of people overdose and taken to emergency room.

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Putnam: Where you concern it could cause overdose?
LaPerruque: Yes.

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Putnam asked how he knew and he said he'd have discussions with the doctors and they would tell him.
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"He would have the doctors treating him to get him off the harder narcotics," LaPerruque said.

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LaPerruque understood that MJ was working hard to battle the prescription medication dependency.

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One day, LaPerruque said MJ told him he was clear. 'I just want you to know I'm going to stay this way,' LaPerruque said MJ told him.
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"He fought very hard to not be dependent on prescription medication," LaPerruque testified.

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LaPerruque: He knew I was there, he knew I saw him. There were times he fought very, very hard not to be dependent of those medications.

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"I wanted to be close to him, to protect him, to watch him," LaPerruque testified.

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LaPerruque: I believe he knew that I knew what was going. To bring up that conversation would put him on defensive, have barriers between us

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LaPerruque said they had some issues related to workload and work schedule, but for the most part it was a pleasure to work with Mr. Jackson

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Putnam: Did you like Mr. Jackson?
LaPerruque: Very much!

Putnam: Was there a time you didn't like Mr. Jackson?

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LaPerruque: There are some professional lines you don't cross and I think it was not my place.

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LaPerruque said speaking with MJ about it would be crossing the line. Even though he developed close relationship, needed to have a distance

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Putnam: Why did you do that, sir?
LaPerruque: It was part of my job.

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LaPerruque: I'd take him back to his room and make sure he was okay. I would seat there and make sure that he was breathing.

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"He had slurred speech, incoherent, looked like he was going unconscious," LaPerruque said.

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LaPerruque: In rare occasions, there were times he seemed to be under the influence of drugs in meetings, had to be taken back to his room.
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LaPerruque'd knock on MJ's door, escort him to the room meeting would take place. He'd wait outside the door and escort MJ back to the room

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People were given LaPerruque's cell number and would leave him messages for Michael.

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LaPerruque: Mr. Jackson had propensity of losing his cell phone. I think I counted he lost 27 cell phones (jury laughs).

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LaPerruque: Any kind of emails and phone calls came to me. I'd relay the message to him, would go to his room to slip a note under the door.

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LaPerruque: Few times in the middle of the day I'd go into his room and he'd be displaying signs of being under the influence.

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Putnam asked if LaPerruque spoke with MJ's family members or business associates.

"I didn't believe it was my place to do that," he said.

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LaPerruque: I knew they (the doctors) would be treating Mr. Jackson and wanted them to have a clear picture going in.

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LaPerruque said his job was not only to protect MJ from fans or outside causes, but "I took it upon myself to take care of Mr. Jackson."

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Putnam: What were you concerned?
LaPerruque: Just his general health, it seemed the frequency of the intoxication to be more occurring

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10h
LaPerruque spoke with Dr. Slavitch, Dr. Farshchian and Grace Rwamba about his concerns with MJ.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10h
The relationship between Dr. Farshchian and MJ was already established when LaPerruque began working for the artist.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10h
He was one of the physicians that traveled with MJ, LaPerruque said, probably chosen by MJ.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10h
He also spoke with Grace Rwamba, MJ's children nanny at the time, about his concerns and Dr. Alimorad "Alex" Farshchian in Miami, Florida.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10h
"I was worried about his health," LaPerruque testified.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10h
LaPerruque spoke with Dr Slavitch from San Francisco. He said he became worried about MJ due to numerous times he saw MJ under the influence

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10h
"I never performed any tests but the symptoms he was displaying were consistent with being under the influence," LaPerruque testified.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10h
LaPerruque: Because the objective symptoms he was displaying, slurred speech, nod.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10h
Putnam asked what made LaPerruque think he was under the influence of drugs.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10h
"I knew he had unusual sleep patterns," LaPerruque said. "I think he was just lonely and wanted somebody to talk to."

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10h
LaPerruque: He asked questions about the next day's schedule, asked questions over and over.
 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10h
LaPerruque: He wouldn't be very coherent, slurred speech, trying to fall asleep, incomprehensible

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10h
Another 10 to 15 times, he wasn't asked to go to MJ's room, LaPerruque said. Total would be between 20 and 30 times.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10h
Putnam: How many times did you go to his room?
LaPerruque: Through the course of employment, probably 10 to 15 times.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10h
"It's just slurred speech, sort of mumbling," LaPerruque said. He would be sleeping when MJ called.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10h
"We would be in the room and he seemed to have a hard time," he said.

Putnam: Did he speak in an incoherent manner?
LaPerruque: Yes

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10h
The security head said he would be asked to go to MJ's room, he had a key. "I would go to his room to make sure he was ok," LaPerruque said.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10h
"His speech would be very slurred, it would be a lot of mumbling, wouldn't understand him sometimes," LaPerruque described.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10h
LaPerruque said there were 3 times he was at a hotel and got a phone call in the middle of the night.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10h
Putnam: From Dec. 2001 to 2004, did you believe Mr. Jackson was under the influence of drugs?
LaPerruque: Yes

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10h
If doctor came along, it would be someone Mr. Jackson knew and they would have a hotel room. LaPerruque did not help find those doctors.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10h
LaPerruque testified he learned the client's needs and after been asked many times to find hotel doctor he understood it was part of his job

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10h
"It became commonplace to have a physician ready upon arrivals at hotels," LaPerruque said.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10h
LaPerruque would call the doctor. He said MJ complained about back pains, but he didn't ask every single time what the complaint was.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10h
LaPerruque: I would go down to the concierge and ask if they had doctors they work with and get recommendation.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 13h
LaPerruque: We would get to a hotel and he would ask me to get the hotel physician.
Abrir
 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 13h
LaPerruque: He would have a physician present, also when we would go out and were staying somewhere he'd have me call a physician.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 13h
LaPerruque never lived at Neverland Ranch.

Putnam: Was there a period of time he was with a doctor on a daily basis?
LaPerruque: Yes

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 13h
LaPerruque: Anytime MJ stepped out of the property for extended period, going to LA or around the world, I was activated to accompany him.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 13h
LaPerruque was in charge of Mr. Jackson's protection and the protection of his children. He consulted regarding Neverland security.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 13h
Putnam: Is it fair to say you quit your job with the Sheriff's Department to work for Michael Jackson?
LaPerruque: I retired.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 13h
In December 2001, LaPerruque was asked to be full time and head the security of Michael Jackson. For the NY trip, LaPerruque used vacation.
Abrir
 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 13h
He went with MJ to NY to provide security at 30th anniversary of Madison Square Garden.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 13h
MJ was shooting short film at the lot, so LaPerruque was asked to provide security some times.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 13h
The nanny would call him if they needed anything for MJ or the children.
Abrir
 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 13h
LaPerruque stayed at the Universal Hilton, there was a room for him. MJ and the children, nanny, personal security team were there as well.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 13h
Earlier in the summer/01, while still at the Sheriff's Dept, LaPerruque said man with MJ security asked for help at the Universal Hilton.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 13h
Putnam asked if LaPerruque was trained to identify people intoxicated. He said yes, he attended drug intoxication courses.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 13h
First full time gig in private security was in December 2001. He was with the Sheriff's Department prior to that for 22 1/2 years.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 13h
MJ hired LaPerruque 5-10 times in the Summer of 2001. He was hired full time in December 2001 and was under employment until 2004.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 13h
LaPerruque: I'm a security specialist, provide security for high profile people, celebrities, estate. I worked for Michael and Janet Jackson

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 13h
Putnam: Are you rooting for either side?
LaPerruque: No, I'm not rooting for any side

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 13h
Atty Marvin Putnam did the questioning. He asked if LaPerruque met with attorneys from defense and plaintiff prior to testimony. He said yes

 
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Thriller4ever on August 02, 2013, 11:39:09 AM
whoa! thank u paula
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: underthemoon on August 03, 2013, 03:27:31 AM
Do you know this link :

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/explore?tag=court-case

And if you click on one day you see.....Copyright Associated Press

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/national_world&id=9193581

 :errrr:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on August 06, 2013, 03:51:14 AM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYMJCgIunH8[/youtube]

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/08/05/jacksons-security-chief-takes-stand-for-second-day/ (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/08/05/jacksons-security-chief-takes-stand-for-second-day/)

Michael La Perruque ,please decide yourself: was he a drug addict ,or was he not  :icon_rolleyes:  :icon_lol: !!!! He was,he was not,he was, he was not"; OMG it seems that these people cannot decide, once and for all  :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol:   :thjajaja121: !!!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on August 06, 2013, 04:41:01 PM
Hey Applehead  :bearhug: thanks for the vid and for your post.....full of positive energy !!!!!  :michael-jackson:


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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on August 06, 2013, 09:02:05 PM


ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1min
Upcoming Witnesses:
Kathy Jorrie -- tomorrow
Kenny Ortega
Debbie Rowe

Judge said Ortega all day Thursday & Friday. Rowe next week
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: underthemoon on August 07, 2013, 01:42:37 AM
I will send your Attention agoin to this "Court case stories" from ABC7

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/explore?tag=court-case

Every single " Story " is under the category Entertainment.....and storie for a serious reporting is a weird Notation !

Then every single Story has a Copyright....at that day about they write they get a Copyright....unbelievable !

And a Copyright for reporting ? Please teach me better, but Copyright is for intellectual property, for text you have written from your Inspiration....not about things from your make a Reportage.

From the beginning i am very sure that the Trial is fiction and this Copyright confirms it !

We get it pice by pice, but it's already filmed Long ago.

Love to the Family !  :bearhug:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: iLoveyoumore on August 07, 2013, 05:59:49 AM
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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1min
Upcoming Witnesses:
Kathy Jorrie -- tomorrow
Kenny Ortega
Debbie Rowe

Judge said Ortega all day Thursday & Friday. Rowe next week

Interesting to hear Debbie's testimony.

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From the beginning i am very sure that the Trial is fiction

I think it's partially fiction and partially real. They are 'fighting' over real money, but both sides have already agreed on who will win. It's a show and AEG will lose.

Somedays though I'm feeling like AEG still has no idea what's going on.  :icon_eek:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on August 07, 2013, 02:08:29 PM
when seeing the testimony of the person in contact with murray about his contract i can't help but wonder why they are speaking directly and not through a lawyer and how murray seams to be somewhat knowledgeable and confident about it. i also find it interesting that he wants other medical personnel there.
 

seems like he has more knowledge of this than giving cpr.  :icon_e_confused: :icon_e_confused:

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on August 07, 2013, 08:27:14 PM
Revealed: Concert Promoter AEG Considering Call To DA Who Landed Conviction Against Michael Jackson’s Death Doc

Lawyers for AEG are considering calling one of the district attorneys that successfully prosecuted Conrad Murray as possible witnesses in the wrongful death trial of Michael Jackson, RadarOnline.com is exclusively reporting

Katherine Jackson is suing the concert promoter alleging that AEG failed to properly investigate and supervise Michael’s one-time doctor, Murray. Murray was convicted two years ago for the involuntary manslaughter death of the King of Pop.

The concert promoter “doesn’t want to put Conrad Murray on the stand for several reasons. First, Murray is a sanctimonious and arrogant, he will make the testimony all about him. He would likely be unwilling to answer the most important questions, and invoke the fifth amendment because he is appealing the conviction,” a source told Radar.

“Secondly, Murray would use the appearance to possibly promote a book/overseas tabloid interview he is planning upon his release from jail.”

The source added, “For those reasons, and more, AEG lawyer, Marvin Putnam, has been in contact with former Los Angeles County District Attorney, David Walgren, who is now a judge, and current prosecutor, Deborah Brazil, whom both handled Murray’s case.

“Both are agreeable to appearing and testifying. AEG needs to present a witness to the jury that can explain Murray’s role in Michael’s death. It’s AEG’s position that no one could have known that Murray was giving Michael a Propofol at night to sleep.”

The decision will be made “in the next several days about if one or both of them (Walgren/Brazil), will be called to testify,” the insider revealed.

“They would both be very compelling witnesses for AEG and the jury would be very impressed with their knowledge and professionalism of the criminal case.”

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/08/aeg-considering-call-to-da-who-convicted-michael-jackson-doc-conrad-murray/#.UfpoOqvjy7w.twitter
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on August 07, 2013, 08:34:14 PM
Secrets of the Michael Jackson Trial

Drugs, ghosts, violence and much more, as testimony rolls into its fourth month




By Steve Knopper

August 2, 2013 2:00 PM ET

 

Eamonn McCormack/WireImage
 
The Jackson family's lawsuit against AEG Live, the promoter that planned Michael Jackson's London comeback concerts at the O2 Arena in London, is serious business. Michael's mother, Katherine, seeks billions of dollars in damages, arguing that AEG negligently hired Dr. Conrad Murray, who was convicted of giving the insomniac Jackson a drug combination including the anesthetic propofol, which caused him to die in his sleep. AEG denies responsibility. The months-long trial has been full of strange details – here are the strangest.

His promoter was a bully
To motivate a recalcitrant Jackson before the London press conference announcing the This Is It shows, AEG Live CEO Randy Phillips (according to an e-mail he sent a colleague), "slapped him and screamed at him." Phillips testified that he was acting like a coach: "I slapped him on the butt."

His kids' nanny was really weird
According to Paris Jackson's testimony, Grace Rwaramba, former nanny to Jackson's kids, would call hotels, tell staff she was his wife and be admitted to his room, where she would slip into the star's bed. "She was obsessed with him," Paris said.

He probably went longer without REM sleep than any human ever
A Harvard Medical School sleep expert, Dr. Charles Czeisler (who has also worked with the CIA and the Rolling Stones), testified that the 60 straight nights Jackson spent on propofol resulted in a "constellation of symptoms" including paranoia, erratic behavior and severe weight loss.

100 Greatest Artists: Michael Jackson

Violence and threats were common in Jackson's world
Jackson's makeup artist Karen Faye testified that once, before a concert in 1993, the singer became ill and she encouraged him to bail on the show. She claims that a doctor provided by the tour's insurance company choked her until she couldn't breathe and said, "You don't know what you're up against."

He really did have a rodent for a childhood friend
Echoing his song "Ben," Katherine testified that, as a boy, Michael once smuggled a mouse into a Beverly Hills restaurant in his coat pocket.

According to Lionel Richie's ex, his ghost has no problem with Dr. Murray
While on the stand, AEG Live's Phillips recalled a conversation he had with Lionel Richie's ex-wife Brenda. Jackson's ghost, Phillips testified, told her the superstar had "accidentally killed himself" and absolved Murray of responsibility. A Jackson family attorney objected, but the judge let the testimony stand.

This story is from the August 15th, 2013 issue of Rolling Stone.



http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/secrets-of-the-michael-jackson-trial-20130802#ixzz2aqBP5000

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on August 07, 2013, 08:44:18 PM
credits Nimue
http://www.igroops.com/members/httpfairycom/comm/READ+00003367+GOTO+12

Some thoughts about yesterday testimony:

Murray and Michael were set to go to London on July 3rd 2009.

Murray contract stated he had to have an UK medical license by July 3rd, if not he wouldn't be paid.

Murray contract had to be signed by Michael to be executed.

Murray received the contract at Jun 23 and sent it back signed at Jun 24, but Michael didn't signed.


Now in 8 days Murray had to get UK medical license. It is said to get a medical license it takes at least 3 months.


From GMC(UK



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Since Murray is from Trinidad he would need to take the English exam


(http://www.igroops.com/g1/httpfairycom/localimages/Nimue/AEG/uklicense2.jpg)




















At UK there are two steps to get the license, one is the registration the the other is the licensing, both are mandatory to treat patients

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On

on top of that he would need to take an exam or two.

So 8 days before his deadline he didn't do anything to get the license.

It seems like Murray knew he wouldn't be going to London.


Another point is Michael's signature or the absence of it. If Murray was at Michael's house Jun 23 and Jun 24, why didn't he ask Michael to sign it before he faxed to AEG?

Murray signed and faxed to AEG for AEG to get Michael signature. Does it make sense?

And knowing that he wouldn't get paid if Michael didn't sign it.

Well, just a few facts to think about it.

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on August 08, 2013, 05:46:57 AM
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Hey Applehead  :bearhug: thanks for the vid and for your post.....full of positive energy !!!!!  :michael-jackson:


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Blankie my friend ,you Ain't Seen Nothin' Yet  :icon_e_biggrin: :LolLolLolLol: !!!!
 :bearhug: :bearhug: :bearhug: :bearhug: :bearhug: :bearhug: :bearhug:

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on August 08, 2013, 05:50:52 AM
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I will send your Attention agoin to this "Court case stories" from ABC7

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/explore?tag=court-case

Every single " Story " is under the category Entertainment.....and storie for a serious reporting is a weird Notation !

Then every single Story has a Copyright....at that day about they write they get a Copyright....unbelievable !

And a Copyright for reporting ? Please teach me better, but Copyright is for intellectual property, for text you have written from your Inspiration....not about things from your make a Reportage.

From the beginning i am very sure that the Trial is fiction and this Copyright confirms it !

We get it pice by pice, but it's already filmed Long ago.

Love to the Family !  :bearhug:

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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on August 08, 2013, 06:05:01 AM
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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1min
Upcoming Witnesses:
Kathy Jorrie -- tomorrow
Kenny Ortega
Debbie Rowe

Judge said Ortega all day Thursday & Friday. Rowe next week

Interesting to hear Debbie's testimony.

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From the beginning i am very sure that the Trial is fiction

I think it's partially fiction and partially real. They are 'fighting' over real money, but both sides have already agreed on who will win. It's a show and AEG will lose.

Somedays though I'm feeling like AEG still has no idea what's going on.  :icon_eek:

Quote
Judge said Ortega all day Thursday & Friday. Rowe next week

The way court proceedings are moving, probably next week represent never  :thjajaja121: :thjajaja121: :thjajaja121:!!!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: use_your_illusion on August 08, 2013, 10:39:12 AM
Gosh this trial is taking forever. By the time it ends, if the Jackson's get the money it was claimed they asked for, they'd have to give it all to lawyers fees, plus more.
Of course I'm exaggerating to make a point but omgsh if I was a lawyer at this trial...

Anyway if MJ is making a movie outta this, lets hope he does like a 2 min recap...JUST SAYIN!! 
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Thriller4ever on August 08, 2013, 02:07:15 PM
is anything happening in this trial? i am kinda lost.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: iLoveyoumore on August 08, 2013, 03:08:50 PM
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Gosh this trial is taking forever.
Exactly! Judge just announced it will last even longer

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts
Jury entered the courtroom 10:10 am PT. Judge Yvette Palazuelos advised jurors she came up with new time estimate for the trial.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts
Judge: My estimate has now changed. The case will probably be submitted to you at the end of September.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts
"It is what it is," judge said. She told jurors before they would get the case at the end of August.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts
Outside the presence of the jury, AEG attorney told judge he will be done 1st week of Sept or so. Panish said he has 4 rebuttal witnesses.

I bet it will end at the end of October.. Murray will be free.. This Is It.. everything in October  :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile





Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on August 08, 2013, 05:06:12 PM
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Hey Applehead  :bearhug: thanks for the vid and for your post.....full of positive energy !!!!!  :michael-jackson:


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Blankie my friend ,you Ain't Seen Nothin' Yet  :icon_e_biggrin: :LolLolLolLol: !!!!
 :bearhug: :bearhug: :bearhug: :bearhug: :bearhug: :bearhug: :bearhug:



And Im waiting for,  :bearhug:  Apple !!!  :bearhug:


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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on August 08, 2013, 06:31:07 PM
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Gosh this trial is taking forever.
Exactly! Judge just announced it will last even longer

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts
Jury entered the courtroom 10:10 am PT. Judge Yvette Palazuelos advised jurors she came up with new time estimate for the trial.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts
Judge: My estimate has now changed. The case will probably be submitted to you at the end of September.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts
"It is what it is," judge said. She told jurors before they would get the case at the end of August.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts
Outside the presence of the jury, AEG attorney told judge he will be done 1st week of Sept or so. Panish said he has 4 rebuttal witnesses.

I bet it will end at the end of October.. Murray will be free.. This Is It.. everything in October  :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile

I agree with you dear, we understand the hoax the same way and get the same signals.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on August 08, 2013, 09:14:56 PM
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h
Putnam: Would it be surprising to you that the Rolling Stones have a doctor on tour with them right now?
Ortega: No.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h
Ortega said nobody came up to him on the 23rd or 24th expressing concern about MJ. They did on the 19th but not after MJ came back on 23rd.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h
The week of June 15th is when Ortega grew concerned with Michael Jackson.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h
Putnam: Did you see Michael deteriorate over 8 weeks?
Ortega: I would've not used the word deteriorate to describe what I saw.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h
"However, the sell out at the O2 for 50 shows showed he still had drawing power," Ortega opined.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h
Putnam did re-cross.

Ortega: Michael had not performed in 10 years. Whether he'd command the world like he had before remained to be seen.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h
Ortega said he never told Faye MJ had to face his fears; used the word tough love, may have said the show could be cancelled if not ready.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h
Katherine Jackson nodded in the audience in agreement. "In respect of why we are all here for, that's not nice," Ortega said on the stand.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h
Ortega then opined: If Michael ever heard you talk like that it would not be appropriate. Isn't that right Mrs. Jackson?

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h
Panish: Did you heard Murray walked out and said he couldn't take this s**t anymore?
Ortega: No, I never heard that.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h
Panish asked if Ortega knew how much pressure AEG was putting MJ and Dr. Murray on. He said no.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h
Panish: Did you ever learn that Phillips was grabbing Dr. Murray's arm?
Ortega: I never heard that.
 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h
Phillips didn't do anything to stop Dr. Murray's admonishment of Ortega in the meeting, Panish said. Ortega agreed.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h
Ortega said Dr. Murray did not have the same mindset as him in the June 20th meeting.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h
Panish asked if Ortega was doing his job when he sent email w/ concerns. "More than just doing my job, looking out for my friend" he said.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h
Panish: You expect AEG to check them out, not being under conflict of interest situation?
Ortega: Yes.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h
Panish: I want you to assume that AEG Live hired Dr. Murray. Would you expect them to hire a fit and competent doctor?
Ortega: Yes.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h
"Eventually he started to decline and disappear," Ortega recalled.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h
Ortega: MJ was very cool, bold, strong in his ideas and what he wanted all through the beginning of the process.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h
Panish: Did you think MJ was irresponsible?
Ortega: It seemed to me that he was in trouble.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h
Ortega suggested another physician, not Murray, come to check MJ out.

Panish: You didn't think Dr Murray was doing a good job?
Ortega: No

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h
Panish: Did you say that after MJ died?
Ortega: No, I think I'd have said it sooner than that.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h
Panish: Sir, did you tell anyone that MJ should've been taken to the hospital?
Ortega: I might have.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h
Panish: Did you have concerns about his physical condition on June 14?
Ortega: I'd say yes.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h
"It was fairly obvious he was not moving forward in the rehearsals with this sort of tempo," Ortega testified.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1h
Ortega said he didn't see MJ at practice for a long period of time in June.

Panish: In June, he didn't show at all?
Ortega: That's correct

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Ortega: Most of us have never seen anyone work as hard to accomplish something as MJ.

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Panish: Was MJ perfectionist?
Ortega: That would be something that people would have called him.

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"Yes, he did change over time," Ortega said about Michael Jackson.

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Panish: Did you ever have assistant producer say she was afraid an artist would die in weeks of a show and they actually did die?
Ortega: No

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Ortega said he disagrees with anyone who says there's no way MJ could've done 50 shows.

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"He sold 50 shows," Ortega said. "Pretty awesome, historical."

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Ortega: I think the Stones come close, McCartney come close. But if MJ was not the number one, he was very close.

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Ortega: I'd think if done right, that Michael would be the highest draw on the planet. Panish: You don't think Celine Dion would be bigger?

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Panish: Are you aware of any artist in the world with the drawing power of Michael Jackson?

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Email from Gongaware to Ortega on March 25, 2009:
I'm afraid we may not be able to meet your financial requirements for a deal.

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Ortega said, at one point, there was a standstill regarding his contract.

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Earlier in the trial, Ortega testified rehearsal schedule and attendance was up to Dr. Murray and Randy Phillips.

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"I recalled that Dr. Murray was going to be responsible for the schedule," Ortega said.

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Email from Woolley to Bob Taylor saying Randy Phillips and Dr. Murray were responsible for MJ rehearsal and attendance schedule.

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Panish: Did you think you were not being demanding enough of MJ's attendance and schedule?
Ortega: No

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Panish: Have you ever seen a situation where a CEO for promoter/producer set rehearse schedule with artist's doctor?
Ortega: No

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Panish: Have you seen a CEO for promoter/producer involved in artist rehearse attendance/schedule?
Ortega: CEO no, producers/promoters yes.

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Panish: Were you ever involved in a show where promoter was buying saline, catheter, needles for a doctor?
Ortega: No.

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Panish: Were you ever involved in a show where promoter was buying CPR machine?
Ortega: Not that I know of.

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"I don't think producers can fire Cher," Ortega said.

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"I don't think producers can fire Tom Cruise," Ortega opined. Panish said movies are different from singers.

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"I assume they could give a good try," Ortega responded. "I assume they could do that but I doubt it would last more than 24 hours."

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Panish: The producer could fire you if they wanted, right?
Ortega: I think Michael would not be happy with that.

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Panish asked if MJ could've been fired by AEG. "No, he was a partner," Ortega responded. He said Michael told him that.

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Ortega clarifies that the only artist, "the" artist, was Michael Jackson.

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Ortega said he thinks it's unusual for producers to engage attorneys to hire a doctor for an artist.

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Panish: In all your years in the industry, have you ever heard a producer involved in hiring a doctor for an artist?
Ortega: I haven't.

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Ortega: It seemed like it was doctor related, so it wasn't like taking drugs but just being under the influence.

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Panish asked is Ortega saw MJ several times appearing under some kind of drugs during TII.

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Ortega: I assumed sleep had to be a part of it, he looked rested.

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Panish asked Ortega to assume MJ was getting Propofol for 60 days then didn't have Propofol the last few days before his death.

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Panish: The symptoms he had, did it seem like someone who wasn't sleeping?
Ortega: I think that might have been a factor there.

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Panish: And before that you thought he was not having any sleep?
Ortega: Yes.

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In re-direct, Panish asked: Prior to June 23rd, you thought Michael got real organic sleep?
Ortega: Yes.

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Ortega said said excitement was pretty unanimous among all the people working on "This Is It."

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Putnam: Did you have concern on the 23rd or 24th he was taking drugs?
Ortega: No.

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Ortega felt less excited, deeply grateful about MJ's come back.

"Maybe it was a lot of rest," Ortega opined. "He did seem rested, stronger"

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MJ also rehearsed and performed. Ortega said he was feeling they were back on track, believing they were in a new chapter.
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Ortega said MJ was almost as good on the 24th as the 23rd. He seemed a little tired from the day before but talked about things for the show

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Ortega: Everybody felt there was a different Michael in the room.

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Ortega said he just embraced it and went with it. "We were all delighted" Ortega recalled. "The energy in the room changed, hope returned"

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Ortega: He was in charge. Not only capable to rehearsing but to talk about other aspects of production, like films, the effects, costumes.

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MJ was there a number of hours, Ortega said. He went thru a number of songs.

Putnam: Had he taken the reins?
Ortega: Yeah

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Putnam: How was the rehearsal?
Ortega: Great. It was one of the best rehearsals we had up until then.

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"It was like metamorphosis," he said.

Putnam asked if Ortega inquired MJ what had happened. "I din't pry in his personal live," he replied

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Ortega said MJ was always a little chill, but not like on the 19th. The director was surprised how quickly MJ got better.

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Ortega: He seemed healthy, ready and happy, there didn't seem to be any left over issues from the 19th.

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Putnam: Completely different?
Ortega: Completely

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Ortega said the meeting on June 20th was at MJ's Carolwood home. On June 23rd, Ortega testified MJ was in great spirits, ready to work.

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Ortega: He was unbelievable! His reasons for doing the tour were incredible. He was motivated.

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"He seemed exhilarated, excited, like the Michael I always knew," Ortega described.

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Ortega: I think the arrival of his children in his life brought something he didn't have before.

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Ortega: I was happy for him, because he had been through so much, I wanted him to be the King again.

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"Michael wanted to get out on the road," Ortega said.

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"I think seating in a theater for 5 years in Las Vegas wasn't really attractive to him," Ortega explained.

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Ortega said MJ was being approached by someone from American Idol, also Randy Phillips approached him, they wanted to do something with him.

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The director described MJ very excited, even not knowing yet what "TII" was going to be, but feeling exhilarated.

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Ortega said he had dinner with MJ a couple of times, MJ took his children to see High School Musical, and that he looked fined.

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Putnam: Were you concerned MJ was doing drugs before "TII" in 2008?
Ortega: No, I saw him.

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Putnam: Did you have any concern with MJ's health?
Ortega: I don't recall having any concerns
P: How about mentally?
O: No

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"HIStory" tour rehearsal was done in Los Angeles, Ortega said.

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MJ was transported to the hospital. Ortega didn't go, because he said he wasn't invited. "Certainly concerned," though, he explained.

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He said security responded quickly, everybody stayed away to give paramedics room to work.

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Ortega was present at Beacon Theater when MJ collapsed. He didn't see the artist fall, though.

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Putnam: But at no time you thought he was using drugs?
Ortega: No.

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Putnam: Was he physical well?
Ortega: He seemed tired and unhappy, stressed.

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Ortega was called to help MJ with the HBO special.

Putnam: He seemed well to you?
Ortega: Unhappy

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At this time, MJ was living at Neverland. Ortega said they never rehearsed at MJ's ranch, but a stage in Los Angeles.

Putnam: Did you have any concerns he might have been using drugs then?
Ortega: No

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Ortega said he usually likes to stay in tour until everything is working to everybody's satisfaction. He said it may be 4-5 shows or 8-10

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Ortega's first time working with MJ was in the "Dangerous" tour. He said he may have been director of the project. It was in 1992-93. ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 2h
"He was strong," Ortega said.

But 20 years later, when Ortega worked with MJ in the "This Is It," the director said MJ was much different.

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Putnam: In your opinion, was Mr. Jackson always skinny?
Ortega: In the early years I worked with him he was light, lean performer.

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"I might have been a little concerned (with his weight) when I brought that up, yes," Ortega testified.

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Ortega said MJ liked to be in a certain kind of place (weight) to execute his moves and to get the look he wanted.

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The singer would smile and answer "okay" in a very loving way, Ortega recalled.

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MJ wasn't really fond of massage, Ortega said. "Don't forget to eat, get some rest," Ortega would tell MJ.

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Ortega said he would talk to MJ, as a performing artist, and ask if he was focusing on nourishment, health, warming up, stretching, sleeping

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Putnam: Did you ever talk to him about nutrition?
Ortega: As a general idea
P: Physical therapy?
O: Yes

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"Because he came out of rehab," Ortega said. "He was moving on with his life in a healthy way, hopefully."

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Putnam: Did you have any reservation to work with him after rehab?
Ortega: No
P: Why not?

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Ortega never asked MJ about his rehab stint or any drug use.

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Someone on behalf of Michael Jackson contacted Ortega to be part of the HBO special.

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Putnam: Were you responsible for MJ's health?
Ortega: No.

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Ortega: I wanted to take care on him, you want to take care of someone when something is not right, but you can't be responsible.

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Jurors were writing viguroulsy at this point. Juror number 6 looked over at Katherine Jackson.

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Ortega: I didn't think he was being very responsible, but it was his responsibility, in my opinion.

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Putnam: Do you think MJ was being responsible with his own health?

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"Adults are responsible for their own health," Ortega opined.
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Ortega: I worked with 10,000 people in the Olympics, how can I be responsible for everybody's health?

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Putnam: Did he (Murray) offer any explanation of what happened to MJ the night before?
Ortega: I don't believe so.

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Putnam: Did you talk about drugs in that meeting?
Ortega: No

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Ortega said Michael explained in the meeting that what Dr. Murray said was not what had occurred.
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Ortega: I'd like to think that Michael would not set me up that way, I'd like to think Dr. Murray misunderstood Michael.

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Ortega said Dr. Murray told him to be the director and to quit his concerns with Michael Jackson's health because it was not his job.

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Ortega: I did think it was right he didn't rehearse that night, I did think it was the right thing he went home.

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Ortega said, at one point, MJ told him he was going home. "I said yes, go home, tuck your children in, feel better," Ortega described.

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Ortega: I looked at Michael and asked him to tell what had happened, that I didn't forbid Michael of anything.

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Ortega testified he said: 'Wait a minute, that's not at all what happened.' The director recalled Dr. Murray said MJ told him that.

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Ortega: Murray started up saying I had no right to not allow Michael to rehearse that night and that I had no right to send him home.

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Ortega: He said don't leave me, I'm gonna take the reins, you'll see I'm going to change this. He seemed absolutely committed at that point.

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Putnam: MJ assured you that he was fine?
Ortega: I didn't feel assured

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Dr. Murray told Ortega to quit being an amateur doctor and that MJ was physically fit to show, the director recalled.

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At the meeting, Dr. Murray told Ortega to stay out of it and to leave MJ's health for him to take care.

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Ortega said he thought it was a responsible way to deal with it, and pretty immediate after the fact.

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There was a meeting scheduled next day to address MJ's problems on June 19.

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Ortega sent an email after seeing MJ that way because he thought Phillips and Gongaware should know about it.

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Putnam: You have never seen Mr. Jackson like that before?
Ortega: No.

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Putnam: It never crossed your mind it could be drug related?
Ortega: No, I was thinking it was something else.

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Ortega: It didn't appear to me it was drugs, it appeared to me it was something else, emotional.

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"I felt somewhat calm when we left," Ortega said. But he said he was still concerned, thus the email he sent to AEG high ups.

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Putnam: He was coherent?
Ortega: Yes
P: Warmed up?
O: A bit
P: More engaged?
O: Yes
P: Calm?
O: Yes

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Putnam asked if throughout the night on June 19th, if MJ got better. Ortega said yes.

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"I supposed I might have suggested it could look that way," Ortega said. "It would've been a really, really bad flu."

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Putnam asked if Ortega testified before he thought MJ had a really bad case of flu.

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Putnam asked about June 19, 2009. "I'll always remember June 19," Ortega said.

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Ortega: I think they were trying to create a schedule to factor in all of Michael's needs (like family) and still could come to rehearsal.

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Ortega: In this stage of the game, Mr. Phillips took on overseeing position to make sure the schedule was responsible for Michael.

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"I looked at Mr. Phillips as the promoter, Michael's promoter and producing partner," Ortega testified.

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Ortega said he never spoke with Timm Wooley about scheduling.

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He explained he didn't think Phillips was involved as much in MJ's scheduling, but was overseeing it.

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Ortega said he learned from Randy Phillips that Dr. Murray was responsible to get MJ to rehearsals on June 15, 2009.

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Ortega: But at the end, I believe they thought Michael had what he wanted.

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Ortega: I think we were getting in a place were we had a ceiling, because we were already with a fat budget.

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He said there were professional discussions like 'is this something you really feel it's going to benefit,' 'do you really need this.'

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Ortega said he would ask Gongaware for more and more things to create the show. Gongaware never denied anything.

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Ortega: Everything we brought to AEG, in terms of enormous creative needs, that AEG was very supportive in doing all they could.

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Putnam: Did you ever see AEG pressure Michael in any way?
Ortega: No

Putnam: Did you feel AEG Live supported MJ?
Ortega: Yes

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Ortega: I thought of MJ as my partner, I didn't think of him as my boss. But MJ always had the final creative say in all the years we worked

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Putnam: Who did you consider your boss?
Ortega: Michael.

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"A lot meaning 3-4 times a week," Ortega clarified. He said things changed as they were moving to the Forum, which was end of May.

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Ortega said February, March and April MJ was very involved in the creation of the show, would show up a lot.

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"At the end of the day, creatively, we trusted Michael knew what we needed," Ortega said.

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Putnam: Why?
Ortega: Because he was brilliant and he knew what he was doing.

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"Final say would be Michael," Ortega said. "Michael had final creative say."

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"He would just make it happen," Ortega said. He could not recall Gongaware denying anything.

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"I'd go and say 'this is what we'd like,'" Ortega said.

Putnam: Did he ever tell you you couldn't get something?
Ortega: No.

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"We talked about these things together and I'd go with Michael's blessing to Paul to begin the process," Ortega explained.

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"Because the creative person was Michael, and myself," Ortega explained.

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Ortega did not discuss with Gongaware anything related to creative matters.

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Ortega would discuss with Michael about hiring someone and the director would go to Gongaware to get the contract drawn and the person hired

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Ortega explained he dealt with Gongaware regarding technical things, like moving dates to new rehearsal venue, delivery of stage parts, etc.

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Ortega said he reported to Michael Jackson for the creative side of the tour and regarding budget/financial matters he reported to Gongaware
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Ortega said AEG Live and MJ were co-producers of the show.

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Regardless of who contacted him first, Ortega said he was hired because Michael Jackson wanted him.

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Ortega testified he never really fully understand Dr. Tohme's role related to MJ. He thought was a friend.

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Ortega said he didn't really know who Dr. Tohme was, have never met the guy at that point. Tohme said he called on behalf of MJ.

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Putnam: Do you remember as you sit here today who first contacted you?
Ortega: I'm not really certain.

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In Dr. Murray's criminal trial, Ortega said it was Paul Gongaware.
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In a deposition related to Lloyds of London litigation, Ortega also said Dr. Tohme first reached out to him regarding TII.

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Putnam showed Ortega's deposition transcript. "In deposition, I remember it to be Dr. Tohme," Ortega said.

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Ortega said he doesn't remember who he said reached out to him first regarding the tour in his deposition.

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Putnam: Is it fair to say you were the "TII" director because of MJ?
Ortega: Yes.

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"He told me he only wanted me," Ortega said about Michael Jackson's wished that he be the director.

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"People were calling it a tour but it was more like an event," Ortega explained.

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Putnam: Did you consider it a tour?
Ortega: We called it tour, term used in the industry, but we weren't really touring, it was 1 venue.
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Ortega went thru all the pages of his contract and said: "I do not see that anywhere."

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Putnam read Murray's contract were it says the contract is not valid unless MJ consented to it and asked if Ortega has that in his contract.

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Ortega: That's what I understand it's in my contract

Ortega's contract does not have a signature line for Michael Jackson.

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Putnam: If tour was successful, you already have in your agreement what you'd be paid in bonus, correct?

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"The shows were not booked or guaranteed," Ortega said. "That's what I think Michael hoped to do, but wasn't booked."

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In Ortega's contract, there is a provision for bonus in case "This Is It" tour went around the world.

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"I can recall specifically, but I'm sure in my 40-something years in this business that has occurred," Ortega testified.

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"It's sort of common in the industry," Ortega said.

Putnam: If you don't reach an agreement, you could work and not get paid?
Ortega: Yes

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Ortega said he has put himself in the position of working prior to signing a contract. "It's what I call working in good faith."

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Putnam: You were paid after the contract was executed, right?
Ortega: That's what appears in this document.

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Ortega looked at the document and said he was paid on May 11, 2009, which is after he signed his contract.

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In his deposition, Ortega was shown documents to refresh his recollection. Putnam showed him the same documents.

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Ortega's contract was executed on April 26, 2009. "I believe I was paid in advance of signing," Ortega said.

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"I was only contracted, and we were only focused, on the London tour at this time," Ortega explained.

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Putnam: Did you understand you were an employee of AEG Live?
Ortega: No
P: What were you employee of?
O: K.O. Company

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AEG Live had an agreement with K.O. Company for the services of Ortega.

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Putnam showed Ortega a "Certificate of Employment -- Loan-Out," which Ortega said it's certificate that he works for The K.O. Company, Inc.

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Ortega is under cross examination by AEG's attorney Marvin Putnam. Ortega had professional engagement overseas, not available until today.

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Judge said they are bringing Kenny Ortega back on the stand out of order to finish his testimony.

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Outside the presence of the jury, AEG attorney told judge he will be done 1st week of Sept or so. Panish said he has 4 rebuttal witnesses.

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"It is what it is," judge said. She told jurors before they would get the case at the end of August.

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Judge: My estimate has now changed. The case will probably be submitted to you at the end of September.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
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Some thoughts about yesterday testimony:

Murray and Michael were set to go to London on July 3rd 2009.

Murray contract stated he had to have an UK medical license by July 3rd, if not he wouldn't be paid.

Murray contract had to be signed by Michael to be executed.

Murray received the contract at Jun 23 and sent it back signed at Jun 24, but Michael didn't signed.

Now in 8 days Murray had to get UK medical license. It is said to get a medical license it takes at least 3 months.

From GMC(UK…
On

on top of that he would need to take an exam or two.

So 8 days before his deadline he didn't do anything to get the license.

It seems like Murray knew he wouldn't be going to London.

Another point is Michael's signature or the absence of it. If Murray was at Michael's house Jun 23 and Jun 24, why didn't he ask Michael to sign it before he faxed to AEG?

Murray signed and faxed to AEG for AEG to get Michael signature. Does it make sense?

And knowing that he wouldn't get paid if Michael didn't sign it.

Well, just a few facts to think about it.
Great thinking! Many proofs TII was never meant to happen. Whether AEG intended to take MJ out, or all is part of MJ's hoax is the options.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: underthemoon on August 09, 2013, 05:29:09 AM
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I will send your Attention agoin to this "Court case stories" from ABC7

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/explore?tag=court-case

Every single " Story " is under the category Entertainment.....and storie for a serious reporting is a weird Notation !

Then every single Story has a Copyright....at that day about they write they get a Copyright....unbelievable !

And a Copyright for reporting ? Please teach me better, but Copyright is for intellectual property, for text you have written from your Inspiration....not about things from your make a Reportage.

From the beginning i am very sure that the Trial is fiction and this Copyright confirms it !

We get it pice by pice, but it's already filmed Long ago.

Love to the Family !  :bearhug:

(http://fabfunny.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/funny-celebrity-gifs-mfw-a-joke-is-not-funny.gif)



Thank you so much applehead !  :bearhug:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on August 09, 2013, 06:04:56 AM
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I will send your Attention agoin to this "Court case stories" from ABC7

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/explore?tag=court-case

Every single " Story " is under the category Entertainment.....and storie for a serious reporting is a weird Notation !

Then every single Story has a Copyright....at that day about they write they get a Copyright....unbelievable !

And a Copyright for reporting ? Please teach me better, but Copyright is for intellectual property, for text you have written from your Inspiration....not about things from your make a Reportage.

From the beginning i am very sure that the Trial is fiction and this Copyright confirms it !

We get it pice by pice, but it's already filmed Long ago.

Love to the Family !  :bearhug:

(http://fabfunny.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/funny-celebrity-gifs-mfw-a-joke-is-not-funny.gif)



Thank you so much applehead !  :bearhug:

You're welcome and I thank you for the info ;)  :bearhug: !!!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on August 09, 2013, 06:29:39 AM
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Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP11 h
The bodyguard also said he never heard Jackson say he was talking to God or seem lost and annoyed, symptoms he displayed in 2009.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP11 h
La Perruque said if he saw any of those symptoms and thought they were life-threatening, he would have taken Jackson to the hospital.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP11 h
Chang asked about the incident in which Randy Jackson came to Neverland Ranch via helicopter and was turned away.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP11 h
La Perruque said neither Michael nor Randy Jackson used the term intervention to describe the visit. Randy didn’t bring a doctor, he said.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP11 h
The bodyguard said when he returned to work for Jackson in 2007-early ’08, the singer seemed to have a clear path of what he wanted to do.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP11 h
La Perruque reiterated that he didn’t see any signs Jackson was struggling with prescription medications in ’07 or early ’08.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP11 h
Chang also clarified when La Perruque last saw Jackson. He said last week it was two weeks before the singer’s death.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP11 h
In fact, it was in May, during an anniversary party that Janet Jackson threw for her parents at restaurant in Beverly Hills.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP11 h
Chang showed La Perruque the June 19th photo of Michael Jackson in which he looks extremely thin. She asked if he looked like that in May.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP11 h
I couldn’t see La Perruque, but he seemed taken aback by the photo. He said that’s not how Jackson looked in May 2009.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP11 h
The bodyguard added that if he had seen Jackson as he appeared in the photo, he would have been alarmed.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP11 h
La Perruque was asked about Jackson’s charity and he cited instances when the singer bought toys for a Florida women’s shelter.  :-* :-* :-*

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP11 h
Instead of delivering the toys and causing a scene, La Perruque said Jackson had his bodyguards deliver them.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP11 h
The singer would also stop his car and give money to people on the streets, a practice he learned from his mother, La Perruque said.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP11 h
The bodyguard described the close and loving relationship Jackson had with his mother and his three children.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP11 h
La Perruque: “I think Michael was at his happiest when he was with his children.” He added that Jackson didn't spoil his children.  :-*

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP11 h
Jackson would only allow his children to buy one toy apiece when they went shopping, La Perruque said.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP11 h
Chang: “Did he want to be remembered as the greatest entertainer in the world or the greatest father?” A: “I would say the greatest father.”  :'( :'(

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP11 h
Chang’s questioning concluded, and Putnam only asked a few questions. He asked if Jackson’s late night calls (described last week) ...

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP11 h
... came during the same time period as the clips of him performing at the Democratic fundraiser, American Bandstand event.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP11 h
La Perruque said they were. The calls occurred over was a broad time period, from 2001 to 2004.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP11 h
The bodyguard’s testimony was finished within 50 minutes of taking the stand today, and then damages expert Eric Briggs returned.

Michael Jackson's ex-bodyguard testifies about singer's drug use
By Alan Duke, CNN
updated 9:55 AM EDT, Mon August 5, 2013


...............................................................................
He would go to Jackson's room many of those nights to check to make sure he was alright, he said. He appeared to be intoxicated, he said. "I think he was just lonely and wanted to have somebody to talk to."
Under cross examination by Jackson lawyer Deborah Chang, LePerruque said Jackson's intoxication appeared to be consistent with someone drinking alcohol and taking sedatives to sleep.
Did he think he was addicted to drugs? "I wouldn't be able to say that he was addicted to those," he answered.
The security chief said he would sometimes notice empty wine bottles from the hotel room's minibar, but he never saw drugs. He also never witnessed Jackson take medications, he said.
He described a scary incident in 2001 when Jackson's children dialed 911 for help when they found their father passed out in the hallway of their suite at a Disney World hotel in Orlando, Florida.
Paris and Prince, then just 3 and 4 years old, were "crying, saying they couldn't wake up daddy," he testified. Jackson woke up after LePerruque performed mouth-to-mouth resuscitation and shook him, he said. Paramedics found no signs of a drug overdose, he said. (Okay, confirmation of the original story that he passed out from alcohol intoxication ( drunkenness) and not a drug overdose.)

...

Their late night talks revealed to the guard that Jackson had trouble getting to sleep, a problem that would eventually lead to his death. He told him he couldn't sleep because his brain wouldn't stop creating music. ( Intresting, so that's why he couldn't sleep  :animal0017: :animal0017:   !! )
"He said that as an artist he always had a tune in his head, different melodies, and he wasn't able to stop it," La Perruque said. "It was always constant going through his brain.
The coroner ruled that Jackson died of an overdose of propofol, which Murray told investigators he was using to treat the singer's insomnia.
The incidents in which Jackson appeared to be under the influence of alcohol and drugs became more frequent after the broadcast of a documentary based on Martin Bashir's extensive interviews with him. LaPerruque said Jackson was "very devastated" by what he thought was the betrayal of trust he had with Bashir. Child molestation charges were filed in Santa Barbara County, California, after the broadcast.
LaPerruque said he never believed the criminal charges against Jackson were true. If he suspected he was molesting children he would be the first to slap handcuffs on him, he said.
"I came out in full support of him," LaPerruque said.
Jackson was acquitted on all charges after a trial.
LaParruque called Jackson "very down to earth," saying he was proud to have worked for him.
"There were times there were difficulties, but for the most part it was a pleasure working for him," he said.
He noted that one problem Jackson had was keeping up with his cell phones. He lost 27 of them, he said. ( Well damn Mike (http://images.lipstickalley.net/images/smilies/Pidgin%20Smilies/sidefrown.png) :thjajaja121: :thjajaja121: )
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: iLoveyoumore on August 09, 2013, 09:01:48 AM
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Gosh this trial is taking forever.
Exactly! Judge just announced it will last even longer

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts
Jury entered the courtroom 10:10 am PT. Judge Yvette Palazuelos advised jurors she came up with new time estimate for the trial.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts
Judge: My estimate has now changed. The case will probably be submitted to you at the end of September.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts
"It is what it is," judge said. She told jurors before they would get the case at the end of August.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts
Outside the presence of the jury, AEG attorney told judge he will be done 1st week of Sept or so. Panish said he has 4 rebuttal witnesses.

I bet it will end at the end of October.. Murray will be free.. This Is It.. everything in October  :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile

I agree with you dear, we understand the hoax the same way and get the same signals.

 :beerchug:  :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: iLoveyoumore on August 09, 2013, 09:06:38 AM
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He noted that one problem Jackson had was keeping up with his cell phones. He lost 27 of them, he said. ( Well damn Mike (http://images.lipstickalley.net/images/smilies/Pidgin%20Smilies/sidefrown.png) :thjajaja121: :thjajaja121: )

Lol  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: use_your_illusion on August 09, 2013, 11:48:59 AM
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Gosh this trial is taking forever.
Exactly! Judge just announced it will last even longer

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts
Jury entered the courtroom 10:10 am PT. Judge Yvette Palazuelos advised jurors she came up with new time estimate for the trial.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts
Judge: My estimate has now changed. The case will probably be submitted to you at the end of September.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts
"It is what it is," judge said. She told jurors before they would get the case at the end of August.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts
Outside the presence of the jury, AEG attorney told judge he will be done 1st week of Sept or so. Panish said he has 4 rebuttal witnesses.

I bet it will end at the end of October.. Murray will be free.. This Is It.. everything in October  :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile

Thank you Iloveyoumore.
I think it will end next year. But I hope you're right. October seems to obvious and MJ is not predictable. But will it be Oct because he thinks we might think Oct is too predictable and by us thinking he is unpredictable he will do the unpredictable thing of being predicable and BAMMING in Oct...

...oh my gosh I don't even know what I just said, I just confused myself...thanks MJ, this is what you've done to me  :icon_e_surprised: :icon_mad: ...gosh the mind games.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on August 09, 2013, 01:50:35 PM
21st December 2012 was predictable too.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Snoopy71 on August 09, 2013, 01:59:42 PM
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He noted that one problem Jackson had was keeping up with his cell phones. He lost 27 of them, he said. ( Well damn Mike (http://images.lipstickalley.net/images/smilies/Pidgin%20Smilies/sidefrown.png) :thjajaja121: :thjajaja121: )

Lol  :icon_lol:


27 huh?  Interesting number he came up with.  :icon_e_confused:

TII was released on 28th  :suspect:

Murray is supposed to be released on the 28th  :icon_e_confused:


.....and Michael just happens to lose "27" cellphones?.....I guess he's holding onto the "28th" one  :icon_e_wink:


I'd sit by the phone for that call! :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: LOVEforMJ1995 on August 09, 2013, 04:24:20 PM
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He noted that one problem Jackson had was keeping up with his cell phones. He lost 27 of them, he said. ( Well damn Mike (http://images.lipstickalley.net/images/smilies/Pidgin%20Smilies/sidefrown.png) :thjajaja121: :thjajaja121: )

Lol  :icon_lol:


27 huh?  Interesting number he came up with.  :icon_e_confused:

TII was released on 28th  :suspect:

Murray is supposed to be released on the 28th  :icon_e_confused:


.....and Michael just happens to lose "27" cellphones?.....I guess he's holding onto the "28th" one  :icon_e_wink:


I'd sit by the phone for that call! :icon_lol:

This is what I was thinking too, with "27" lost cell phones I think it's safe to say he must have one now which makes 28, which is a number cropping up a lot recently, hmm :)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on August 09, 2013, 04:56:16 PM
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Gosh this trial is taking forever.
Exactly! Judge just announced it will last even longer

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts
Jury entered the courtroom 10:10 am PT. Judge Yvette Palazuelos advised jurors she came up with new time estimate for the trial.


ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts
Judge: My estimate has now changed. The case will probably be submitted to you at the end of September.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts
"It is what it is," judge said. She told jurors before they would get the case at the end of August.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts
Outside the presence of the jury, AEG attorney told judge he will be done 1st week of Sept or so. Panish said he has 4 rebuttal witnesses.

I bet it will end at the end of October.. Murray will be free.. This Is It.. everything in October  :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile

I agree with you dear, we understand the hoax the same way and get the same signals.


And, abve all, October 28  :moonwalk_:......The best is yet to come !!  :moonwalk_: :woohoo2:


Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on August 09, 2013, 06:18:09 PM
He noted that one problem Jackson had was keeping up with his cell phones. He lost 27 of them, he said

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,22447.850.html



sure he did  :icon_e_wink: :icon_lol: :suspect:

murray seems to have no trouble keeping up with his .
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on August 09, 2013, 07:30:05 PM
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21st December 2012 was predictable too.

We like to pretend that didn't happen I guess.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Snoopy71 on August 09, 2013, 10:55:15 PM
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He noted that one problem Jackson had was keeping up with his cell phones. He lost 27 of them, he said

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,22447.850.html



sure he did  :icon_e_wink: :icon_lol: :suspect:

murray seems to have no trouble keeping up with his .

I remember during the trial the "cell phone" was a big issue. Like why Murray didn't call 911 from his cell (even though he was supposedly on that phone earlier that day "calling back patients")

MJ's assistant saved the recorded message for help from Murray on his cell phone.

The 911 call came from a cell phone. (presumed Alberto Alvarez's)

TMZ's video/story on Paris and Janet getting into a squabble over a cell phone.

How in the early days of the hoax, Murray was always pictured talking on his cell phone.


...I'm sure there are others. Those are just examples I can think of off the top of my head. :icon_e_confused:



yep, 27 cell phones indeed....how did MJ manage to lose them all!?  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: RK on August 09, 2013, 11:12:42 PM
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CBS : Randy Jackson testified that he and his siblings staged at least seven interventions.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: PrincessMuffybear on August 09, 2013, 11:45:47 PM
Seven interventions.

Of course, it would be 7.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Thriller4ever on August 10, 2013, 12:32:55 AM
I read abc7' s tweets about Randy's deposition, does anyone else feel Randy's attempt to put Michael in a rehab was just too much. I don't believe Michael was abusing prescription drugs.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: LOVExJesusxPEACE on August 10, 2013, 03:17:01 AM
I looked up what 28 could mean, and I found this! http://masterchensays.wordpress.com/2012/05/23/what-does-28-mean-in-numerology/ :), it seems pretty applicable to June 25th and the hoax   :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: iLoveyoumore on August 10, 2013, 08:09:00 AM
I think it was interesting Randy got 'mad' because they played his video deposition.


Randy Jackson ‏@randyjackson8 13h
There is no reason to play my deposition on video. I am ready and willing to testify.

Randy Jackson ‏@randyjackson8 13h
I dont understand why AEG would lie to the judge and say I didn't want to testify in person

Randy Jackson ‏@randyjackson8 13h
Why are they afraid for me to testify???

Randy Jackson ‏@randyjackson8 13h
I don't like this because videos can be manipulated

Randy Jackson ‏@randyjackson8 13h
They are playing my deposition on video in court and I told AEG that I am ready to testify in person. I just want to be there for my brother


& ABC7courts asked

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 16h
AEG claims Randy doesn't want to come testify in person; Jacksons say AEG doesn't want him to come in person. What do you think is true?








Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: iLoveyoumore on August 10, 2013, 10:07:36 AM
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I don't believe Michael was abusing prescription drugs.

I don't believe that either.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Snoopy71 on August 10, 2013, 10:11:22 AM
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I think it was interesting Randy got 'mad' because they played his video deposition.


Randy Jackson ‏@randyjackson8 13h
There is no reason to play my deposition on video. I am ready and willing to testify.

Randy Jackson ‏@randyjackson8 13h
I dont understand why AEG would lie to the judge and say I didn't want to testify in person

Randy Jackson ‏@randyjackson8 13h
Why are they afraid for me to testify???

Randy Jackson ‏@randyjackson8 13h
I don't like this because videos can be manipulated


Randy Jackson ‏@randyjackson8 13h
They are playing my deposition on video in court and I told AEG that I am ready to testify in person. I just want to be there for my brother


& ABC7courts asked

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 16h
AEG claims Randy doesn't want to come testify in person; Jacksons say AEG doesn't want him to come in person. What do you think is true?

Boy don't we know it!  :icon_lol:


.....interesting how Randy had stopped tweeting for almost a year and now all this.


Welcome back Randy!  :icon_cool:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on August 10, 2013, 03:18:03 PM
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I read abc7' s tweets about Randy's deposition, does anyone else feel Randy's attempt to put Michael in a rehab was just too much. I don't believe Michael was abusing prescription drugs.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hsw2p0i8M8Y[/youtube]

As we know Michael' s favourite animated character was Pinocchio  :LolLolLolLol:  :icon_lol: :icon_lol: !!!!!!
(http://files-cdn.formspring.me/photos/20120711/n4ffd01dfdde1c.gif)  ;)

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on August 10, 2013, 06:04:32 PM
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I read abc7' s tweets about Randy's deposition, does anyone else feel Randy's attempt to put Michael in a rehab was just too much. I don't believe Michael was abusing prescription drugs.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hsw2p0i8M8Y[/youtube]

As we know Michael' s favourite animated character was Pinocchio  :LolLolLolLol:  :icon_lol: :icon_lol: !!!!!!
(http://files-cdn.formspring.me/photos/20120711/n4ffd01dfdde1c.gif)  ;)


 :th_bravo:               (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Content/e_braces.gif)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on August 10, 2013, 10:16:44 PM
ok can someone edgemacate me  :-[ :icon_lol: does the other side get to call him for cross or did they do that at the time of the disposition ? or do they not get to take a whack at him at all ?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Snoopy71 on August 11, 2013, 07:20:11 AM
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ok can someone edgemacate me  :-[ :icon_lol: does the other side get to call him for cross or did they do that at the time of the disposition ? or do they not get to take a whack at him at all ?

I'm thinking they want Randy's video deposition to stand "as is".  No more, no less.

If they put him on the stand, he might say too much that could hurt both sides (kind of how Murray is threatening).

Randy has been very vocal about the fraud regarding the signing of the will. 

This could possibly throw both the estate and AEG "under the bus" in terms of guilt...it could look like collusion. :ghsdf:



My guess is no one wants to open THAT can of worms!  :animal0017:


....it will be interesting to see how much of an issue Randy will make of this. :icon_e_confused:


I give it two days and TMZ will be all over it. :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on August 11, 2013, 09:38:08 PM
Hmm randy sure is shaking it up  :suspect:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on August 12, 2013, 08:38:18 PM
https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts


ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10 ago
Here's one of our stories on Randy Jackson's deposition: http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/entertainment&id=9201886 …

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10 ago
We hope to see you then for full coverage of the trial. For the latest, watch @ABC7 and http://www.abc7.com . Have a great weekend!

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10 ago
That was the end of Randy's deposition. Court adjourned until Monday at 10 am PT. AEG has not announced who the next witness is.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10 ago
A: I don't remember saying that, but that doesn't mean I didn't say it. I kind of felt that way at the time.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10 ago
Q: Do you recall telling Randy Phillips that you see that Michael was fortunate to have AEG involved in his return to the stage?

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10 ago
Randy: I practically slept there to put the show together.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10 ago
Q: Did you have a positive experience with AEG?
A: Horrible! (laughs) No, I'm just joking. They were nice. They were very nice.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10 ago
Randy said he pushed everything to the side and was getting together this memorial for him and did it with AEG, Kenny Ortega and those guys.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10 ago
"I haven't even buried my brother yet," Randy said.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10 ago
Randy: We were still trying to figure out how to grieve, and these people are in court, and will, and this nonsense.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10 ago
Randy: After MJ died, everyone was shocked. I was really displeased with all the stuff that was going on in court with Branca, Weitzman.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10 ago
"Sometimes he would isolate himself because he didn't want people to hear his voice" Randy said.

Q: Because he might be using drugs?
A: Yes

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10 ago
Q: Did you speak with him regularly?
A: I don't talk to anyone in my family regularly.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10 ago
Q: Was he doing it in the 5 years before his death? Isolated?
A: Oh, parts, parts of it.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10 ago
That was probably the first one, the first intervention, Randy said.

Q: Was MJ isolating himself?
A: Yeah, he would do that.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10 ago
Q: Did he seem he was using drugs at that time?
A: Yes, his speech was slurred, but nothing terrible.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10 ago
Randy said in Taiwan they visited him, gave him family love, wanted to make him feel comforted so he wouldn't think about doing those things

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10 ago
Randy: I dind't know anything but we had heard things. That's why we were there.

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Randy said what spurred him to go to Taiwan was the fact that he needed help, he was far away, we said we need to go.

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Q: Did you go to Taiwan?
A: Yes, with Rebbie and some family members

MJ was doing shows in Taiwan.

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Randy talked about interventions in NY, Neverland, Las Vegas. And there was another intervention in Taiwan.

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After being turned down, Randy would then go home.

Q: After Carolwood, did you or father take any other action?
A: No, after that time no.

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They told Randy "he's not here, he's not there." Randy questioned if he wasn't there why they had the gate closed. "Open it up, no big deal"

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Q: Who did you see there?
A: Security guard.

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Randy: My dad and I tried to get the house at Carolwood. They wouldn't let me through. My brother didn't want me to see him like that.

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Q: Do you know if he slept well while on tour?
A: He slept well

Randy said MJ had no issues sleeping that he knew of.

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Randy: He was doing good in Ireland from what I recall. 06-7, 07-08 around that time.
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Randy said the last time Grace called was a long time ago. "I made my presence known, there wasn't lot more. She didn't need to call."

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Those were the only two times Randy saw him under the influence. "I'd get calls from Grace all the time," he said.

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Randy: He didn't know who to trust, because people around him were lying to him, telling him things just to secure their positions.

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He said MJ had slurry speech. "He was really frightened to go to that courtroom."

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Randy: Then I later found out she had gotten him a patch. I was livid.

Randy doesn't know what kind of patch it was.

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Randy said that when Grace was around MJ, he was under the some kind  of influence. "But we had him go to court and had the doctor with him"

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Q: Was he in the hospital because he had reaction to his drug use?
Randy: No. He was in the hospital because he didn't want to go to court.

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Randy: And I said "Okay, but you are going to court." He goes "No, I'm not."

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Randy: I went to hospital MJ said "I don't know what you're thinking. I'm not walking into that courtroom so don't even think about it Randy

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Randy: He didn't want to go to court. He didn't show up to court. And I was freaking out because it was on the news.

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Randy said MJ was really scared before the Santa Maria trial. And somehow Grace was able to get him something.

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Randy: He would get physical with me, I wouldn't be afraid to say no. But he was 90 pounds, it wouldn't do much.

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Randy: MJ didn't want to talk to me too much. Because maybe I wasn't afraid to say no to him.

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Randy: Did she ever believe he had a problem? Yeah, but I  think she was in denial, she didn't want to believe it.

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Randy: My mom, you know, she would mever want to believe it. She's a mom, you know. I felt bad for my her.

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The letter was MJ's idea, Randy said.

Q: Did you mom sign it?
A: My mom, LaToya, all my brothers.

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He said he wasn't behind the article, but didn't sign the letter. Janet, Rebbie and his dad didn't sign it either.

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Randy said MJ got people in his family to sign a letter that was on People Mag saying he never used drugs. "I was really disturbed by that."

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"I fired them both that's probably whay they said it," Randy opined. "It had nothing to do with me."

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Randy: Grace and actually Raymone Bain because I fired them both.

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Randy: There was a People Magazine article coming out talking about his drug use. Grace told him that I was behind putting this article out.

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Randy: He was using it again because there was a... it was quite disturbing to me.

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Q: Were all of the interventions were before the Santa Maria trial?
A: There was one after, the Vegas was after.

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Randy: I fired her again, I noticed when she was around there was a pattern. Whenever she's around, he's wasted. So I fired her again.

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Randy said he started right before Santa Maria trial but he got MJ clean. He told Rebbie "don't leave his side" because I didn't trust Grace

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"He was in a great place," Randy said. "Then Grace came back around and he started using it again. I was very pissed off about it."

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Randy said MJ would really, relaly enjoyed being around his children. He would cook for them.

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Randy: When I was helping with the situation in Santa Maria I was able to make it stop. I fired Grace, stoped it from coming in.

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Q: Could you give a range if years that this was happening?
A: It happened over a period of time, when I was, he stopped doing it also.

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Randy: Michael wouldn't want to really be around his family too much, I think because he didn't want us to see him that way, specially me

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Shadow Wood home was 50-thousand square feet. Randy said he hated it, it was just too big.

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Randy tried to jump the gate a few times. "My dad and I tried a few times to get him help."

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After Vegas, there were no more interventions, Randy said. "I tried to get him help but I couldn't get as many people to stage intervention"

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Randy didn't speak with MJ that day. He said people would tip MJ off. "So it's bad news. Randy's coming to shake things up."

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Q: What happened when you arrived at Neverland?
A: I think that time he wasn't there.

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Randy said Rebbie and Janet were always supportive, always with him. "My dad also."

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Katherine was at one intervention only, Randy said. "That must've been the first one, around 2002-2003, at Neverland.

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A: First one at Neverland, not the one that KJ was present. Janet, myself, Rebbie. Maybe my mom was at that one. I think my mom was there.

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Rebbie and Janet went on all of them, except one or two.

Q: Describe the 3-4 additional interventions:

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The 4-5 interventions at Neverland were between 2004-2006. "One of them included my mom," Randy said.

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Randy: No, my mon no. As a mom, I guess maybe it was hard for her, you know, for a mother to see that.

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Q: Did you get responses?
A: I think everyone was in shock, maybe a little denial. I always got responses, my dad, Rebbie and Janet, always
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He wrote the letter down on paper and had assistant copy it. He said not  everybody in his family looks at email.

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Q: Did you send it to your mother as well?
A: Everybody got a copy of it.

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Randy:  So this is where the family needs to step in and do something about it because their desire becomes physical.

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Randy: He's an addict, and at this point, addicts aren't so responsible for what they do.

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Q: Who did you send the letter to?
A: Everybody, copied everybody. I made sure everybody knew it.

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Randy wrote letters to my family about MJ's problem and that they had to do something to help.

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Randy said he was spending a lot of time with him, so he kind of got close look at what was going on.

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Finally out of twitter jail... Here's the rest of Randy Jackson's deposition.

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"There were a few over there. I don't know, maybe 4 or 5," Randy responded. It was around 2004, 2005. Or 2005-06.

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Interventions:
NY
Neverland
Las Vegas

Q: Were there any other?
A: It was more than one at Neverland.

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Q: You mentioned Grace would called but was getting him medication?
A: Yes. A few times I would meet her at the pharmacy.

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Randy: I staged several interventions and set up, tried to get him help many times.

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"I was just kind of taken aback by it, maybe," he said.

Q: Did you have concerns about MJ at that point?
A: Yes

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"He said he took it to help him sleep, and he said it was a mistake and that he was sorry about it," Randy testified.

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Randy asked MJ next day if he remembered what happened. He said MJ replied "no, no, but I heard."

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Next morning, Randy said MJ was sleeping pretty late. "I wanted to make sure he was ok, then I left," he said.

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Randy instructed one os the Cascios to sleep next to MJ. He stayed overnight as well.

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"Just let him rest it off. Somebody should sleep next to him, make sure he doesn't vomit or choke, anything like that," doc told Randy.

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Randy said the doctor gave MJ something that would counter, help counter whatever it is he had done.

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Randy: And as I recall, I called my doctor who lived literally around the corner. My doctor came over and took care of him, said he'll be ok

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Randy: They ran downstairs and told me that he had collapsed. And I went upstairs. I picked him up, put him on the bed, it was pretty late.

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A: I went downstairs, I think he had some friends over. And I went downstairs to eat something.

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Q: Did he tell you what he was taking specifically?
A: No

Q: Did you do anything else besides take it away?

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Randy said there wasn't much to talk to MJ then. "Yes, I could talk to him but I'd pick my moments. I'd wait till he'd be a bit more in tune

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Randy: Because what good would it be to help him if you're leaving stuff there?

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Q: You just looked around the house and took bottles?
A: I made her show where everything was.

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Randy said some prescription drugs were in Grace's name. "It was upsetting to me. I think she had a hard time saying no to him."

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Randy said he tried to take everything away, from Grace too. "It was ironic because she was giving it to him but complaining about it."

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A: He was certainly under the influence of something that was altering his normal way of functioning. I tried to get help him some help.

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Randy: We had discussed this before, so I kind of knew what was going on.

Q: And what did you see when you went over there?

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Grace called Randy again to come over. "She needed help with him. He wasn't doing so well."

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"I went over to help him out and take everything away as I could," Randy testified.

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Randy said his speech was slurred. Then Grace, his nanny, would tell me all the time, "You need to get over here. Something's not right."

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Randy said this was in 2005 at the Shadow Wood home in Beverly Hills. "He was under the influence of something."

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Other than the times Randy described in the last deposition, she said saw signs MJ was on prescription medications at home.

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Q: Did you ever see any signs he was on prescription meds on tour?
A: No.

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Randy said Michael enjoyed touring.
Q: Why do you say that?
A: Well, because we like to tour, perform.

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Second part of the deposition was taped on March 26, 2013.

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Q: From 2000 until the time that your brother passed were there periods you believed he didn't problem with prescription drugs?
A: Yes

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Randy said his brother didn't drink. "I never seen him drink alcohol."

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Randy had already selected a rehab facility to take MJ. It was in the Bay area, San Francisco. The same place were interventionist worked

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Randy said they were concerned about prescription abuse around the time MJ was living at the Carolwood house.

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Randy: Leonard Rowe was involved very much in the shows and was giving reports to me that he didn't look too good.

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Randy: There was a drug issue. He wasn't eating. All of these things were happening at the same time. And, you know, a lot of pressure.

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Randy said he and his father tried to call MJ while he lived at Carolwood home. "We were unsuccessful," he said.

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Q: Did your mother ever tell you she believed your brother had problem w/ prescription drugs?
A: No, no, she didn't tell me that believed

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"I told her that we need to plan an intervention and that, her being a mother, because she was there."

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Randy said he had a phone call with his mother, he initiated the conversation.

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That was after the second attempted intervention at Neverland, Randy testified, which was the same as the one his mother attended.

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Q: Did you ever discuss you believed your brother had a problem with prescription drugs with your mother?
A: Yes

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Q: Did he ever tell you he had a problem with prescription drugs?
A: No.

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Randy: Just excessive use, maybe, I don't know if I would call that an addict, I'm not a doctor.

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Q: Was he addicted?
A: I don't know, I wasn't sure, I wasn't clear on it.

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Randy said he forgot the doctors' names. He talked to doctor friends he knew about his concerns of MJ's prescription drug abuse.

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Randy: Also, as I recall, I tried calling a doctor in Vegas and a doctor in Florida, but they wouldn't talk to me about it.

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Randy didn't talk to MJ about it at this point. He talked to Rebbie. "I was investigating about it, talking to people around him."

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Q: What medicine?
A: Sedatives, whatever they call them, sedatives.

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"She just told me she was concerned," Randy described. "Because he was using prescription medication too much."

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"The first time was in Los Angeles, she called me," Randy said. It was around 2000, year 2000.

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Q: When did you first come to believe MJ had a prob with prescription drugs?
A: I guess it was Grace.

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Q: Did your brother ever discuss taking medication to sleep?
A: No

"I never got a call about illegal drugs," Randy explained.

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Randy said he never saw MJ take prescription drugs or illegal drugs. He never heard of propofol or diprivan prior to MJ's death.

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Randy did not know about MJ taking anesthesiologists on tour.

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"I went to visit him at the hospital," Randy said about MJ. He never discussed with MJ insomnia, sleeping problems.

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Q: Did MJ talk to you about his burned scalp?
A: Yes. He said it was painful.

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Randy learned DiLeo came back as MJ's while the O2 show was being put together.

Q: Was he a good manager?
A: Yes

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Randy said he went to visit Frank DiLeo in the hospital after he was in a coma. He knew DiLeo for 20-30 years.

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"I told him I wanted him to go to the therapist with me," Randy described. He said this was after Santa Maria trial, which took over things

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They were at the Ranch for 2/3 hours. Randy discussed with MJ the Ranch intervention after.

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"He just did it and got ready for the trial," Randy explained. MJ never discuss any drug problem with Randy ever.

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After the Las Vegas intervention, Randy said he watched MJ clean up. He was around, it was around Santa Maria trial.

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"My mom didn't believe it," Randy explained. "But it's my mom, she didn't want to believe it."

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Just leaving there all the brother talked about it, Randy said. Other family members didn't believe him either.

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Q: He also refused to go to rehab?
A: Yes

"I didn't believe him," Randy testified.

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Q: Believe your brother had problem with prescription drug?
A: Yes

Q: Did MJ deny he had a prob with prescription drugs?
A: Yes

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MJ didn't want to go to rehab that time either. The brothers stayed a few hours. It was just family, no doctors.

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Randy said he just walked in. One the brothers went over fence to open the gate

Q: Because security won't let you in?
A: Yes. We don't ask

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Q: Did you mom go?
A: I think so. Janet, Rebbie, no Marlon, not sure LaToya, no Jermaine, Tito maybe, Jackie

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Randy: I think my mom found out about the Grace.

"My family went with me," he said.

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Randy told siblings, Rebbie, brothers, Janet. They had another conference call. The parents were not on the call.

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Randy doesn't know how he cleaned up. The intervention at the Ranch occurred after NY. He got a call from Grace "You need to get down here."

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Randy: He stopped using these things, as fas as I know, he stopped using it. I learned it from Grace, pretty much Grace.

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Q: Did he clean up after LV intervention?
A: Yes

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Randy testified the brothers just talked to him. "Just tell him that his family loves him, concerned for him."

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Randy called Grace. "She told me that he cleaned up,"

Q: How?
A: Because I was there, probably.

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MJ didn't go to rehab, Randy didn't tell the parents, he said he didn't want to stress them out.

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Randy doesn't remember the details of the conversation, whether MJ admitted or not abusing prescription drugs.

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"He wouldn't go" Randy said about his attempt to take MJ to rehab.

Q: Did you tell him to go?
A: Yes
Q: Did he tell you he wouldn't?
A: Yes

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Randy went with family only to the NY intervention.

Q: Did he agreed to see you?
A: I guess, I just walked in.

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"You need to get down here," Randy said Grace told him. She didn't need to say anything else. "Because, my brother," Randy explained.

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Grace called him, he called the family, other family members, Rebbie, Tito, Janet, Randy said.

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Grace had called Randy each time. Janet, Rebbie and Tito were with Randy in NY. It happened in early to mid-2000.

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Randy believes the NY attempt happened prior to the Vegas time. He said he was worried about MJ, about "prescription," "prescription abuse."

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Besides Michael, just security was present.

Q: You mentioned another one in NY?
A: Yes

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Randy discussed with the doctors the attempted interventions. Randy did not speak with the doctors again after that.

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Randy said he told the doctor there had been prior attempts to get MJ help and they weren't successful, needed professional help.

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Randy discussed MJ's stint in rehab before with the singer. Randy said he thinks it was one time that MJ was in rehab.

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He said he wanted to know just what they do and what is the procedure here, what they suggest.

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Randy said he met the interventionist doctor at Madeo for lunch, probably met doctor one time prior as well.

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They talked to MJ while there, Randy said. He doesn't rememeber specifically what was said, but that the family loved him, wanted to help.

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Q: Besides siblings and the doctor was there somebody else who went?
A: I don't recall who the 2nd guy was. I didn't arrange it, Janet knew

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Q: Had you met him before?
A: No. Internet, maybe

Q: Was this Mr. Webb?
A: No. I don't recall

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"He was an experienced interventionist," Randy testified.

Q: How did you know that?
A: He told me

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Randy said he doesn't know if the parents talked to MJ. Randy and Janet had a doctor in the mix for the Vegas intervention.

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Q: Did you ever discuss that with your parents?
A: Yes
Q Their reaction?
A: Displeased
Q: With?
A: Him not getting the help that he needed.

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Randy: No, let me correct that. Initially we were playing on our tour, the brothers tour. There was concern then.

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Randy said Leonard Rowe told him MJ may have prob w/ prescription drug. He guessed it was around time shows in London were being prepared

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Q: Up until the time of his passing you never discussed it with him again?
A: No
Q: Why not?
A: I hadn't gotten call from Grace or anyone

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"It was just around the Santa Maria trial," Randy said. "It was after, I think."

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Q: When was next discussion?
A: That may have been the last time, maybe. There were prior times.

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Q: Did you leave thinking he had a prob?
A: Yes

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Randy said MJ told him 'Don't worry, I'm okay. I'm not gonna go.'

Q: Did he seem ok?
A: At the time yes

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Q: Did he say whether or not he had a problem with prescription drugs at that time?
A: No. No he didn't say it
They were with MJ for 2 hours

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Q: Did he deny he had a problem with prescription drugs at that time?
A: No

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MJ didn't go to rehab. Randy said the other siblings told MJ the same thing, to go to rehab.

Q: Did he admit having a problem?
A: No

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Q: Did you see MJ?
A: Yes. I told him him I was taking him to rehab," Randy said. "He said he was not going. I said you are, he said I'm not

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Randy said security told him MJ didn't want to see him. Just drive in and walked in the house. The gate was open, I just drove in walked in.

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Randy confronted MJ every time Grace called him.

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Grace called Randy before about MJ using prescription drugs. He said she called him two or 3 times before.

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Q: Have you ever believed MJ was abusing prescription drugs before?
A: Yes.

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Randy said he spoken with Grace, the other siblings spoke with her too. "We may have had a conference call."

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MJ was staying in Vegas. Randy said he went there with Jackie, Rebbie, maybe Janet, maybe Marlon.
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Randy said it was around the time of the trial, doesn't know if before or after, not sure.

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"Because I had received call that he had been abusing prescription drugs," Randy said. Grace called him, he's sure if she called anyone else

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9 ago
MJ's brother said one intervention was in Vegas, then in NY then LA. Randy remembered 3 times and intervention being attempted.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9 ago
"I wanted to make sure he was ok," Randy testified.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9 ago
Q: Your brother didn't want to see you and you went to see him?
A: Yes
Q: Couple occasions?
A: Yes, 3 or 4 times

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9 ago
There was a time he was the manager, then not manager, then manager again, Randy said.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9 ago
Randy said Frank DiLeo was MJ's manager. "From what I understand until my brother passed," he explained.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9 ago
Q: Did you call him in 2009?
A: I don't remember
Q: Did you see him in 2009?
A: I don't remember

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9 ago
Randy said he doesn't remember when it was the last time he spoke with MJ. He said MJ was traveling.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9 ago
The attorneys stipulated the firing occurred in 2004/2005.

Randy said he and Michael were pretty close, since they were close in age.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9 ago
Q: Why?
A: Because he asked me to.
Q: Your brother Michael did?
A: Yes

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9 ago
First deposition was on Nov 6, 2012.

Q: Do you know Grace Rwamba?
A:Yes, and fired her too.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9 ago
Jessica Stebbins Bina said AEG is calling Randy Jackson via video deposition.

Q- Question (by an attorney)
A- Answer (by Randy Jackson)

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9 ago
Back in session...

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9 ago
Everyone still in the hallway waiting. Fans, reporters and many lawyers on stand by.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9 ago
@LovesTheMessage And we hope to get copy of his video deposition prior to our newscast this afternoon. ;-)

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9 ago
@TheMJAP She testified Branca presented himself as such. The official appointment had to be sanctioned by the probate court.
 
 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9 ago
@dizzydianajo1 Hi Diane, I have to remain impartial. Both sides have different explanation for the jurors to clap. ;)
 
 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9 ago
@NenehJackson I'll try! It's hard when you want to tweet all the details...
 
 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9 ago
For the latest, watch our newscast @ABC7 and visit http://www.abc7.com

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9 ago
We'll bring you complete coverage of this afternoon's session as soon as we are able to tweet. Remember, per judge, no live tweets.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9 ago
AEG claims Randy doesn't want to come testify in person; Jacksons say AEG doesn't want him to come in person. What do you think is true?

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9 ago
The other witness scheduled is Randy Jackson, also via video deposition.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on August 12, 2013, 09:42:38 PM
Thanks for posting Paula. Perfect, considering I just axed my Twtr account, lol.




Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: susieMJ on August 13, 2013, 05:15:13 AM
I found some of the abc7courts tweets strange to say the least ... The same for Randy's deposition... Grace is very present in this testimony and it is somehow disturbing, and the fact that Randy portraits MJ as a drug addict and in a way a mentally disturbed person (denying taking anything, isolating himself, acting irresposible etc) is very annoying and contradictory with other testimonies... Bizarre, bizarre...
These are the tweets that caught my attention:

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10 ago
"I haven't even buried my brother yet," Randy said.

 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10 ago
Randy: We were still trying to figure out how to grieve, and these people are in court, and will, and this nonsense.

---> wtf? "Figure out how to grieve"? Imo that should be smth natural...and well I thought that MJ was buried 4 years ago lol


 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 10 ago
Randy wrote letters to my family about MJ's problem and that they had to do something to help.

---> "to my family" idk if i get it right but it seems as though Randy wrote letters to the family of the person who's running this tweeter...hmmm only a mistake while typing? Or a slip-up... Interesting anyway...


 ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 9 ago
Randy said Michael enjoyed touring.
Q: Why do you say that?
A: Well, because we like to tour, perform.

---> i've always thought MJ hated touring ... Lol and Randy claims that he was close to his brother...
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on August 13, 2013, 08:11:18 AM
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He noted that one problem Jackson had was keeping up with his cell phones. He lost 27 of them, he said

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,22447.850.html



sure he did  :icon_e_wink: :icon_lol: :suspect:

murray seems to have no trouble keeping up with his .

I remember during the trial the "cell phone" was a big issue. Like why Murray didn't call 911 from his cell (even though he was supposedly on that phone earlier that day "calling back patients")

MJ's assistant saved the recorded message for help from Murray on his cell phone.

The 911 call came from a cell phone. (presumed Alberto Alvarez's)

TMZ's video/story on Paris and Janet getting into a squabble over a cell phone.

How in the early days of the hoax, Murray was always pictured talking on his cell phone.


...I'm sure there are others. Those are just examples I can think of off the top of my head. :icon_e_confused:


yep, 27 cell phones indeed....how did MJ manage to lose them all!?  :icon_lol:


Quote
yep, 27 cell phones indeed....how did MJ manage to lose them all!?  :icon_lol:
I was wondering about that too  :icon_lol:

He probably had his reasons to lose 27 cell phones (and maybe more) accidentally on purpose. This 'news' certainly draws attention to cell phones again.

I remember this one too: http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/28/conrad-murray-katherine-jackson-tmz-tv/

and also the details about and the focus on CM's cell phone records during the manslaughter trial:

http://www.cleveland.com/people/index.ssf/2011/10/prosecutors_focus_on_dr_conrad.html and http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/coverup-michael-jackson-jailed-doc-article-1.1332513
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T9WocYymhk

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on August 13, 2013, 09:11:56 AM
Michael Jackson's ex-wife up next in death trial
By Alan Duke, CNN
August 12, 2013 -- Updated 1830 GMT (0230 HKT)


Los Angeles (CNN) -- Michael Jackson's ex-wife Debbie Rowe is set to testify in the AEG Live wrongful death trial Wednesday, lawyers for the concert promoter said Monday

Rowe is expected to be questioned about Jackson's drug use during the 1990s when she traveled with him, married him and bore his two oldest children.


She will be called as the next witness in the Los Angeles courtroom after an economics expert concludes his testimony about the financial support Jackson would have provided his mother and three children had he not died four years ago.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/12/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/index.html?hpt=hp_t4 (http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/12/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/index.html?hpt=hp_t4)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on August 13, 2013, 10:01:21 AM
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I found some of the abc7courts tweets strange to say the least ... The same for Randy's deposition...

Then we are two lol  :LolLolLolLol:,cause I do believe that Randy's depo was strange as hell  :suspect:.
Randy killed his Mother's case and with this just throwed MJ & Grace under the bus . He repeated what AEG already said  :icon_eek: ,strange ,strange coincidence lol  :icon_e_confused:  ;) .It's interesting that they allegedly attempted 10 interventions (why not 100 lol ), but nobody tried to get the children out of his care if he was such a raging addict.
He had an addiction, but the autopsy proved that he was healthy. He didn't have the ravages a long term drug abuser would undoubetdly have. Nice Randy, really smart considering you are contradicting all evidence that could help your mother win her stupid lawsuit  :icon_rolleyes: .
Randy makes zero sense. If Grace was such an evil enabler then why was she ringing him when she thought that MJ was having trouble with prescription meds? That would make her the crappiest enabler ever & she was risking her job. My guess is that he hates her because she told MJ the truth about him selling stories to People magazine so he's decided that she is the enemy. And I love the way he makes himself sound like Billy big balls going to save Michael when really all he was doing was try to screw him over.Michael already talked about the nature of those so called "interventions" during another trial in 2007:



Singer says his brother and pal tried to cheat him out of fortune

By Thomas Zambito
daily News Staff Writer
Sunday, June 17, 2007, 4:00 AM



Michael Jackson claims he was nearly swindled out of his fortune during his kiddie-sex trial and only the wise counsel of the Rev. Jesse Jackson and billionaire Ron Burkle saved him.
The behind-the-scenes battle over the pop star's finances is detailed in a sworn deposition he gave for a federal lawsuit scheduled to go to trial this week.
There is a possibility that Jackson himself might even be called to testify.
The seven hours of transcripts obtained by the Daily News reveal that the agitated entertainer was convinced his money woes were fueled by a cadre of disloyal advisers who stole from him while he was busy fighting criminal charges.
The Gloved One even fingered a man close to his older brother Randy as a key villain.
It was an ordeal that left Jackson bitter about the industry in which he's spent his entire life.
"It's full of sharks, charlatans and imposters," he said in testimony taken last summer in Paris.
"Because there's a lot of money involved, there's a bunch of schmucks in there," Jackson said. "It's the entertainment world, full of thieves and crooks. That's not new. Everybody knows that."
A Santa Maria, Calif., jury acquitted him of child molestation charges in June 2005, after which he retreated into the seclusion of his Neverland ranch.
But during breaks in the trial, Jackson says he was being pressured to sign off on a multimillion-dollar financing deal by Don Stabler, an associate brought in by brother Randy, his go-to guy on financial matters during much of his career.
Jackson initially took a liking to Stabler after Randy introduced them.
"He reminded me of people that live in mid-America like Indiana," Jackson testified.
Stabler was persistent, at one point during the trial sending a message through one of Jackson's Nation of Islam security guards that questioned the singer's faithfulness to his African-American heritage.
It was a sore point for someone who has denied he purposely lightened his skin.
By then, Jackson had turned to Burkle, the billionaire pal of former President Bill Clinton, for financial help. Burkle brought in Jesse Jackson, who's known Michael Jackson since his Jackson 5 days, to help with the consultation.
Burkle was calling him on the cell phone during bathroom breaks, warning him not to sign anything, Michael Jackson said.
Stabler wasn't happy, Jackson said.
"[Stabler] said, 'What's the problem? You're not down, you're with the Jews now. You're not down with blacks anymore,'" Jackson testified.
"It was unkind," Jackson added. "It was mean. It was meanspirited. It was nasty. Simply because he couldn't get me to sign something that he wanted me to sign."
The next time Jackson saw Stabler "he wanted to take my head off." And his brother Randy wasn't too happy, either.
Randy later claimed that Jackson and his staff had run up a $700,000 bill on his American Express card during the trial, which Jackson said he would repay.
It wasn't the first time that Stabler teamed with Randy in trying to get him to sign off on a deal, Jackson claimed.
At a meeting in a bungalow at the Neverland ranch, Jackson said he had his mother at his side when he fought off another proposal.
"And I vehemently told them, 'No, I am not signing this,'" Jackson recalled. "And I just remember how angry, the intensity of the anger in the room. And so they marched out."
Jackson made his comments when he was grilled by lawyers for the Hackensack, N.J., finance company that is suing the singer in Manhattan Federal Court. The firm, Prescient Acquisition, is owned by businessman Darien Dash, who claims Jackson stiffed his company out of $48 million.
According to Dash's lawyer Steven Altman, Dash was due the money for helping Jackson refinance a $272 million bank loan and secure $573 million in financing to buy out Sony's half of the Beatles' song catalogue that Jackson co-owned.
But Jackson claimed he's never heard of Dash, a cousin of hip-hop impresario Damon Dash, and doesn't remember signing any agreement.
World of Jax & robbers - NY Daily News


It's after reading crap like this depo that I realise more & more why MJ kept such a distance from his family. They knew nothing about him. Randy said he didn't drink, was a drug addict, didn't have a problem sleeping & best of all "loved to tour". WTF, really Randy? And what's this about Michael "getting physical" with him? Is he saying MJ tried to fight him?
With "family" like this I can see why the poor guy didn't know who to trust. Maybe this is Murray's bombshell  :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol:????
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on August 13, 2013, 10:30:45 AM
Applehead take it easy when you talk about MJ's family, do we know for sure if what Jackson family is testifying is true or just for hoax purposes?  I don't believe for a second that Randy Jackson is that BAD.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Snoopy71 on August 13, 2013, 01:16:42 PM
All I know is Randy has been purposely staying out of the spot light these last four years. :suspect:


He did not do the reality show.

He did not do the tour with the other brothers.

He's rarely (if ever) on Twitter...until recently with the AEG trial going on
.

The only noteworthy incident I can recall was the altercation with Paris/Janet regarding Katherine and his public statements about the will. Other than that Randy has stayed below the radar.


During the 2005 trial, Michael thanks Randy personally for all his help during his press statement.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jouI4l6e94I[/youtube]

After looking through the deposition I can see why Randy wanted to be called to the stand.

He stated video can be manipulated and it does sound incoherent.

Another revelation is Grace's "role" in all this.  So far the kids and Randy have "thrown her under the bus" as an "enabler"...yet I don't recall if she's on the short list of people being questioned.

You would think someone with that much intimate knowledge of Michael would be a "smoking gun" to testify.  :icon_e_confused:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on August 13, 2013, 01:56:00 PM
Maybe now would be a good time to remind ourselves of this interview: [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNIrzwrM6_A[/youtube]

Watch from around 5:30 - MJ comments about Randy, family and life in the media.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Snoopy71 on August 13, 2013, 02:13:57 PM
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Maybe now would be a good time to remind ourselves of this interview: [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNIrzwrM6_A[/youtube]

Watch from around 5:30 - MJ comments about Randy, family and life in the media.

Randy is "top dog".  :icon_e_wink:

Media sensationalism about the family.... :ghsdf: 

Reminds me of Wade's accusations and how Murray's supposed threats about "blowing the lid off" the Jackson family secrets.

There's definitely something more here.

Thanks for posting Curls. 

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Do on August 13, 2013, 03:29:42 PM
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Maybe now would be a good time to remind ourselves of this interview: [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNIrzwrM6_A[/youtube]

Watch from around 5:30 - MJ comments about Randy, family and life in the media.

Curls, I hate to think that Michael couldn't even trust his own family, so I'm trying to keep my faith in them. But.....the article Applehead posted was an interview from 2007, and the interview with Geraldo is from 2005. So at that time, it's very well possible that Michael didn't know what was happening behind his back. Fact is that two of his brothers brought people in his life who weren't good to him.. Ofcourse it is very well possible that Randy and Jermaine did it with the best intentions, and Michael was trying to keep his trust in his family, and that speaks well for him, but Michael didn't ask for help (said Jermaine in his book), Jermaine just went and found Thome Thome, and we know how that turned out also....

Murray's bombshell.....it is about the family he says, so who knows?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on August 13, 2013, 03:31:53 PM
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Maybe now would be a good time to remind ourselves of this interview: [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNIrzwrM6_A[/youtube]

Watch from around 5:30 - MJ comments about Randy, family and life in the media.

right there near the beginning when talking about the children geraldo says something about i don't know how you manage them without a nanny.


wasn't grace also supposed to testify but had to wait or something because she has LUPUS
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on August 13, 2013, 03:42:18 PM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAA6ltsCcdk[/youtube]

then there was this....... is it part of it ?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on August 13, 2013, 03:53:00 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jacksons:_An_American_Dream

something else that just crossed my mind. what might katherine herself be worth. does kj films/ motown films still exist ? could this have been a front for someone else?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on August 13, 2013, 11:56:17 PM
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Jermaine just went and found Thome Thome, and we know how that turned out also....


We do?

You sure about that?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Do on August 14, 2013, 03:20:36 AM
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Jermaine just went and found Thome Thome, and we know how that turned out also....


We do?

You sure about that?

Bec, I'm not sure about anything anymore, what more can I do then base my thoughts on what I'm observing, reading, seeing. According to 'sources', Michael was afraid of Thome and fired him. Thome kept coming back. Also according to Latoya and his children, Michaell was afraid of Thome. So yeah....

OK, another example. According to Jermaine (in his book), he approached some prince in the middle east to help Michael out of his financial woes. Michael didn't know about any of it.
Michael ended up being sued by the prince, because he didn't read the small print in his contract (according to Jermaine). So, instead of making money, he lost it.

I really want to believe his brothers were trying to help him, but can't deny the fact that there are some troubling stories, and I refuse to believe that ALL the bad stories are false....

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: charlottevet on August 14, 2013, 04:03:49 AM
Personally from the literature I have studied I don't think Thome Thome was a real bad guy...Im much more suspicious of Jermaine and Randy jackson.

Many people who hav written books on MJ say that Thome was good at his job and that something happened (ie. someone had MJ's ear) and this made him paranoid about Thome Thome- hence why he was pushed away.
His family are portrayed by almost every single source I have read as money grabbing, selfish people whom Michael didnt want to have anything to do with. He refused to see them as he felt that they were always trying to pressure him into things so that they could profit off him. The ONLY litarature that contradicts this view are the books written by the family... and all of THOSE contradict one another too. So im my opionion I smell BS from inside the family rather than the other people involved....
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MaryK on August 14, 2013, 06:05:44 AM
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Defendants have filed a motion for non-suit already. Judge said she won't rule on it right away.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-suit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-suit)

I read (can´t remember where unfortunately) that AEG filed a motion for non-suit because they think that plaintiffs have failed to prove their case. Which basically means that they think that this is getting nowhere and the trial should be stopped.

Hm... interesting. What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Do on August 14, 2013, 06:14:38 AM
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Personally from the literature I have studied I don't think Thome Thome was a real bad guy...Im much more suspicious of Jermaine and Randy jackson.

Many people who hav written books on MJ say that Thome was good at his job and that something happened (ie. someone had MJ's ear) and this made him paranoid about Thome Thome- hence why he was pushed away.
His family are portrayed by almost every single source I have read as money grabbing, selfish people whom Michael didnt want to have anything to do with. He refused to see them as he felt that they were always trying to pressure him into things so that they could profit off him. The ONLY litarature that contradicts this view are the books written by the family... and all of THOSE contradict one another too. So im my opionion I smell BS from inside the family rather than the other people involved....

Charlotte, how much I want to believe Michael when he spoke about his family, telling all was good, with much loving and caring, I tend to agree with you on this. I read those books and stories too and I truly believe that there were disturbed relationships in the family from time to time.

 
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Snoopy71 on August 14, 2013, 07:26:43 AM
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Defendants have filed a motion for non-suit already. Judge said she won't rule on it right away.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-suit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-suit)

I read (can´t remember where unfortunately) that AEG filed a motion for non-suit because they think that plaintiffs have failed to prove their case. Which basically means that they think that this is getting nowhere and the trial should be stopped.

Hm... interesting. What do you guys think?



Well a non suit motion could mean that AEG is ready to make an offer or settlement in the case.  Obviously not for the amount KJ & the kids are suing for, but a reasonable amount.

Settlements midway through civil trials are not unusual.  

Even if AEG feels their case is still strong, their corporate image may be taking a beating and incurring some losses financially for contiuing with this trial.


Michael Jackson is an icon (in the infamous words of Janet)...no matter what kind of mud AEG slings they will never kill his name!


Burden of proof or not, AEG looks bad.   :icon_twisted:


They have to know they have some culpability in Michael's "death" and screwing his kids out of that income is just bad business.


I'm guessing "the powers that be" are telling AEG to pull the plug on this trial.  :icon_e_confused:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: charlottevet on August 14, 2013, 08:03:58 AM
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Personally from the literature I have studied I don't think Thome Thome was a real bad guy...Im much more suspicious of Jermaine and Randy jackson.

Many people who hav written books on MJ say that Thome was good at his job and that something happened (ie. someone had MJ's ear) and this made him paranoid about Thome Thome- hence why he was pushed away.
His family are portrayed by almost every single source I have read as money grabbing, selfish people whom Michael didnt want to have anything to do with. He refused to see them as he felt that they were always trying to pressure him into things so that they could profit off him. The ONLY litarature that contradicts this view are the books written by the family... and all of THOSE contradict one another too. So im my opionion I smell BS from inside the family rather than the other people involved....

Charlotte, how much I want to believe Michael when he spoke about his family, telling all was good, with much loving and caring, I tend to agree with you on this. I read those books and stories too and I truly believe that there were disturbed relationships in the family from time to time.

Thank you for the reply Do  :beerchug:

I just cant shake the feeling that the family is the corrupt party here and that are laying blame on outsiders. I do not trust any as far as I could throw them....especially randy and jermaine. The way the family came out of the woodwork after the death and seemed to be cashing in on anything MJ related sickened me. I feel like they realised how much he was worth when dead and all scrambled to make the most of the "payday".
The fact that their own individual stories dont add up either... makes me wonder..... if there IS a death hoax, are the family actually fully aware of all the details? are ALL of them aware of the hoax? Or did michael want some of them to believe that he really was dead.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Do on August 14, 2013, 08:24:09 AM
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Defendants have filed a motion for non-suit already. Judge said she won't rule on it right away.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-suit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-suit)

I read (can´t remember where unfortunately) that AEG filed a motion for non-suit because they think that plaintiffs have failed to prove their case. Which basically means that they think that this is getting nowhere and the trial should be stopped.

Hm... interesting. What do you guys think?



Well a non suit motion could mean that AEG is ready to make an offer or settlement in the case.  Obviously not for the amount KJ & the kids are suing for, but a reasonable amount.

Settlements midway through civil trials are not unusual.  

Even if AEG feels their case is still strong, their corporate image may be taking a beating and incurring some losses financially for contiuing with this trial.


Michael Jackson is an icon (in the infamous words of Janet)...no matter what kind of mud AEG slings they will never kill his name!


Burden of proof or not, AEG looks bad.   :icon_twisted:


They have to know they have some culpability in Michael's "death" and screwing his kids out of that income is just bad business.


I'm guessing "the powers that be" are telling AEG to pull the plug on this trial.  :icon_e_confused:

Snoopy, this is a good example why I'm soooooooo confused and nothing is adding up to me anymore.

If this trial was fake, what use was it for?? To throw even more dirt at Michael? Not hoax-like to me...

If this trial was/is real, first of all, why are Kathrine and kids suing for this outrageous amount of money, if Michael isn't dead? And if he indeed is dead, then it's even harder for me to grip: money is more important then justice it seems. And if AEG is settling for a reasonable amount, and they find out that he isn't dead, what will be the consequenses?

Obviously I don't know anything about trials and I don't even understand the hoax anymore, etc., but if Michael isn't dead, however AEG feels/knows  they have some culpability in Michaels death and screwing his kids out of that income like you said, just WHAT doesn't add up in this story?
Snoopy, ofcourse I don't mean this personal, I'm just totally lost in hoaxland.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on August 14, 2013, 08:35:24 AM
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Applehead take it easy when you talk about MJ's family, do we know for sure if what Jackson family is testifying is true or just for hoax purposes?  I don't believe for a second that Randy Jackson is that BAD.

Sweet ,like I said before,I will say it again lol  :LolLolLolLol: : this is a HOAX forum,so everything is possible  ;) .I'm speaking from the hoax point of view,so I have nothing personal with MJ's family.I just want to emphasize that nothing makes sense, even more, all contradict each other  :LolLolLolLol: .
Thank you.
To understand what I mean, a good example would be Taj depo, which contradicts the whole thing, Randy said about MJ 2005 trial lol  :LolLolLolLol: .Didn't Taj say in his deposition that he stayed with Mike for a year during the trial? Taj said MJ seemed ok and he never saw him take drugs or anything. So why didn't Taj know about any of this ,yet Randy is being Superman and rescuing MJ and being an interventionist and nurse at the same time  :icon_e_confused:  :icon_lol:?
Here we have "another one" lol :


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Q: Was he in the hospital because he had reaction to his drug use? Randy: No. He was in the hospital because he didn't want to go to court.

So the people who were actually there (Thomas Mesereau, Katherine, Jermaine, etc.) are all lying  :argue:  :icon_lol:? MJ didn't fall, hurt his ribs? Right :icon_mad: :icon_geek:.9:35 Michael explains that he fell a bruised his right lung on 'pajama day' … You gonna believe MJ or RJ   :icon_question:  :suspect:  :icon_lol: :icon_lol:?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3fA-JWbe-4[/youtube]

Do you want me to go on  :icon_question: ,cause I have another million example of this contradictions.Recently Tom Mesereau just contradicted what Katherine said in her depo lol ,about filling the AEG case ,alone  ;) .

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIbaRjub2Gs[/youtube]

So Katherine said on the stand that she didn't talk about the case with any of her children before filing... yet here Tom Mesereau said that he and Randy met with Brian Panish first, and THEN Katherine met with Panish at Janet's house. How interesting  (http://images.lipstickalley.net/images/smilies/Pidgin%20Smilies/lying.png) .You know,I'm starting to believe that maybe we are in the LIAR,LIAR movie  :affraid:  :icon_lol: :icon_lol:.

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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Do on August 14, 2013, 08:46:53 AM
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Personally from the literature I have studied I don't think Thome Thome was a real bad guy...Im much more suspicious of Jermaine and Randy jackson.

Many people who hav written books on MJ say that Thome was good at his job and that something happened (ie. someone had MJ's ear) and this made him paranoid about Thome Thome- hence why he was pushed away.
His family are portrayed by almost every single source I have read as money grabbing, selfish people whom Michael didnt want to have anything to do with. He refused to see them as he felt that they were always trying to pressure him into things so that they could profit off him. The ONLY litarature that contradicts this view are the books written by the family... and all of THOSE contradict one another too. So im my opionion I smell BS from inside the family rather than the other people involved....

Charlotte, how much I want to believe Michael when he spoke about his family, telling all was good, with much loving and caring, I tend to agree with you on this. I read those books and stories too and I truly believe that there were disturbed relationships in the family from time to time.

Thank you for the reply Do  :beerchug:

I just cant shake the feeling that the family is the corrupt party here and that are laying blame on outsiders. I do not trust any as far as I could throw them....especially randy and jermaine. The way the family came out of the woodwork after the death and seemed to be cashing in on anything MJ related sickened me. I feel like they realised how much he was worth when dead and all scrambled to make the most of the "payday".
The fact that their own individual stories dont add up either... makes me wonder..... if there IS a death hoax, are the family actually fully aware of all the details? are ALL of them aware of the hoax? Or did michael want some of them to believe that he really was dead.

Charlotte, it was always a no-go to speak bad about Michael's family and I can understand that to a certain level, but what you wrote above......I totally feel the same. And although I really tried to see things from a hoax-perspective and to listen to Michael when he told it was all good with the family (and I'm sure it was from time to time), my overall feeling is still just like yours. Michael was protecting the family image, he learned that at a very young age, but I think there was a lot of jealousy among some of them. Even Suzanne dePasse said in an interview in a docu: 'first the brothers were all asked questions in an interview, but after a while, they all talked to Michael and the brothers were.....just there'. And when Michael went on his own, they sort of faded out. It must have been hard for them too, So I can understand where it's coming from, but like you said, after his 'death' they were cashing in and I didn't like that at all.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on August 14, 2013, 08:49:06 AM
I think we should ride this thing out before we start laying blame, throwing accusations etc at anyone's door. 
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on August 14, 2013, 08:50:50 AM
I'm not sure about anything either but I tend to leave it at that.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on August 14, 2013, 08:51:33 AM
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAA6ltsCcdk[/youtube]

then there was this....... is it part of it ?

You could be right,who knows  :suspect:!!!! I mean who knows what's a part of part of what anymore  :Pulling_hair:  :icon_lol: :icon_lol: !!!!!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on August 14, 2013, 09:00:55 AM
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Personally from the literature I have studied I don't think Thome Thome was a real bad guy...Im much more suspicious of Jermaine and Randy jackson.

Many people who hav written books on MJ say that Thome was good at his job and that something happened (ie. someone had MJ's ear) and this made him paranoid about Thome Thome- hence why he was pushed away.
His family are portrayed by almost every single source I have read as money grabbing, selfish people whom Michael didnt want to have anything to do with. He refused to see them as he felt that they were always trying to pressure him into things so that they could profit off him. The ONLY litarature that contradicts this view are the books written by the family... and all of THOSE contradict one another too. So im my opionion I smell BS from inside the family rather than the other people involved....

Charlotte, how much I want to believe Michael when he spoke about his family, telling all was good, with much loving and caring, I tend to agree with you on this. I read those books and stories too and I truly believe that there were disturbed relationships in the family from time to time.

Randy a bad guy  :icon_e_confused:  :icon_lol:?? Much talked "family interventions"??

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO-ezc_P6OI[/youtube]

"Tight-knit, my ass," huh  :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: !!!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Do on August 14, 2013, 09:03:41 AM
Bec and Curls you're right but this is what I observed. Not their whole family-history was hoax-related and peaceful and cosy. And ofcourse I hope I'm totally wrong with this. I still don't like the money-making part though.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on August 14, 2013, 09:31:42 AM
Everyone gotta make money. It's what makes the world go round. I honestly don't understand this paradox: every time someone other then MJ makes money it's the gateway to evil but when MJ makes money it's just and righteous. MJ has made a lot of money off being dead. Which he is not.

My pet theory indicates this is an entertainment project. A lot of different people profit from entertainment projects. Those people aren't anymore evil then your hair stylist or landscaper or banker or mechanic. It's their craft, their trade, it's what they do. This is what MJ does. This is what the Jacksons do. It doesn't make any of them evil or bad anymore then a cab driver picking up a fare or a vet seeing a patient. It's how they make their living. So I really don't understand the negativity.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on August 14, 2013, 11:04:43 AM
^^^ I agree with you bec - if this is a hoax, which it is, then MJ's family is as much a part of it as MJ himself.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Snoopy71 on August 14, 2013, 11:53:04 AM
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Snoopy, this is a good example why I'm soooooooo confused and nothing is adding up to me anymore.

If this trial was fake, what use was it for?? To throw even more dirt at Michael? Not hoax-like to me...

If this trial was/is real, first of all, why are Kathrine and kids suing for this outrageous amount of money, if Michael isn't dead? And if he indeed is dead, then it's even harder for me to grip: money is more important then justice it seems. And if AEG is settling for a reasonable amount, and they find out that he isn't dead, what will be the consequenses?

Obviously I don't know anything about trials and I don't even understand the hoax anymore, etc., but if Michael isn't dead, however AEG feels/knows  they have some culpability in Michaels death and screwing his kids out of that income like you said, just WHAT doesn't add up in this story?
Snoopy, ofcourse I don't mean this personal, I'm just totally lost in hoaxland.

Do, I personally think this trial is very real...but I know I'm in the minority on thinking that.  :icon_rolleyes:


There are too many loose ends on this trial for me to think that it's part of the hoax.


I personally think the hoax and its research ended when TS was found a "fake".


If Front is truly MJ, then he's clearly sitting on the sideline for this one as a spectator.


To me this trial feels more like simple compensation.


I've read time and again how artists complain about getting screwed from these big record labels and entertainment companies.

I don't think Michael is above putting the boots to the butt of the music industry for what he feels he's owed$$


Dead or alive makes no difference....bottom line AEG was willing to risk MJ's health for profit.  


To me the trial was already won when AEG wanted a 50 year old man to do 50 shows!


The greed  is evident  :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on August 14, 2013, 12:07:37 PM
To the legal system it is a very big difference. What you suggest MJ has committed, Snoopy, is fraud. Just saying. No eye roll needed.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Do on August 14, 2013, 12:18:02 PM
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Everyone gotta make money. It's what makes the world go round. I honestly don't understand this paradox: every time someone other then MJ makes money it's the gateway to evil but when MJ makes money it's just and righteous. MJ has made a lot of money off being dead. Which he is not.

My pet theory indicates this is an entertainment project. A lot of different people profit from entertainment projects. Those people aren't anymore evil then your hair stylist or landscaper or banker or mechanic. It's their craft, their trade, it's what they do. This is what MJ does. This is what the Jacksons do. It doesn't make any of them evil or bad anymore then a cab driver picking up a fare or a vet seeing a patient. It's how they make their living. So I really don't understand the negativity.

Bec, if Michael hoaxed his death just for entertainment, I would be very disappointed and I can imagine that people are going to be so angry at him. Simply too much serious stuff happened after his death. Right, everyone gotta make money, bus not based on a lie just for entertainment purposes. Were talking about a death case, not some prank in a wheelchair on stage. And there is a BIG difference between Michael and the rest of the family, because Michael is making money because he WORKED his ass of for it. It's HIS work, his music, his vision. Not his siblings'. I almost want to compare it with the Chandlers, the Aviro's and everyone who wanted to make money, also Michaels money, and all this moneymaking was ALSO based on a LIE. I just don't like that way of moneymaking, only because the world has to go round.
What I mean is, they didn't have to emphazise a LIE in their books, sold all over the world. I don't care that they talked about his death on talkshows, but they had to leave it with that.

I don't know why I'm so negative again, maybe because I take off my hoax-glasses every once in a while and see things much different. And I'm also bracing myself for the fact that there just is no hoax, or that we never will know what really happened I guess. I know I have to be patient but like I said several times these days, my gut says that things don't add to me anymore.

Edit: Now I'm going to try to be positive again!

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: charlottevet on August 14, 2013, 12:53:41 PM
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Everyone gotta make money. It's what makes the world go round. I honestly don't understand this paradox: every time someone other then MJ makes money it's the gateway to evil but when MJ makes money it's just and righteous. MJ has made a lot of money off being dead. Which he is not.

My pet theory indicates this is an entertainment project. A lot of different people profit from entertainment projects. Those people aren't anymore evil then your hair stylist or landscaper or banker or mechanic. It's their craft, their trade, it's what they do. This is what MJ does. This is what the Jacksons do. It doesn't make any of them evil or bad anymore then a cab driver picking up a fare or a vet seeing a patient. It's how they make their living. So I really don't understand the negativity.

Bec, if Michael hoaxed his death just for entertainment, I would be very disappointed and I can imagine that people are going to be so agry at him. Simply too much serious stuff happened after his death. Right, everyone gotta make money, bus not based on a lie just for entertainment purposes. Were talking about a death case, not some prank in a wheelchair on stage. And there is a BIG difference between Michael and the rest of the family, because Michael is making money because he WORKED his ass of for it. It's HIS work, his music, his vision. Not his siblings'. I almost want to compare it with the Chandlers, the Aviro's and everyone who wanted to make money, also Michaels money, and all this moneymaking was ALSO based on a LIE. I just don't like that way of moneymaking, only because the world has to go round.
What I mean is, they didn't have to emphazise a LIE in their books, sold all over the world. I don't care that they talked about his death on talkshows, but they had to leave it with that.

I don't know why I'm so negative again, maybe because I take off my hoax-glasses every once in a while and see things much different. And I'm also bracing myself for the fact that there just is no hoax, or that we never will know what really happened I guess

I know I have to be patient but like I said several times these days, my gut says that things don't add to me anymore.


well said DO. I think sometimes people get all caught up and LOOK for hoaxy things, its probably best to see it though critical eyes to avoid making mountains out of mole hills...

I completely agree with what you say about the money making too - glad someone else sees it the same way  :icon_mrgreen: :bearhug:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Snoopy71 on August 14, 2013, 01:38:46 PM
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To the legal system it is a very big difference. What you suggest MJ has committed, Snoopy, is fraud. Just saying. No eye roll needed.

[Michael Jackson's mother, Katherine, is suing AEG Live for the wrongful death of her son, alleging that the concert promoter was negligent in hiring Dr. Conrad Murray to care for the singer  ahead of a series of London comeback concerts set for July 2009.]

Katherine is suing for negligence. That means compensation.


Fraud has nothing to do with it. Not sure where you're coming up with that?  :suspect:


All Katherine...et.al... has to prove is that AEG put MJ's health at risk for profit$...not that they killed him (Murray did that).

If this were a true wrongful death trial Murray would have been included in the suit and tried alongside AEG...but he wasn't.

So clearly we know who MJ was targeting!

If AEG was even remotely aware of the "questionable" treatments Murray was giving MJ, and they did nothing, then they are liable.


They aren't on trial for how MJ died (Murray already took that bullet)....they are on trial for the actions they took that contributed to what caused his "death"...HUGE DIFFERENCE.


Fraud is nowhere in the equation.
 

(http://i41.tinypic.com/24wtz0i.jpg)
 



It would make sense now as to why Murray would still remain in jail throughout these proceedings and why his release could coincide with the end of the AEG trial.



But again, everyone is entitled to their own opinion....and you're right....no eye rolling necessary. :icon_rolleyes:







Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Snoopy71 on August 14, 2013, 01:40:54 PM
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Everyone gotta make money. It's what makes the world go round. I honestly don't understand this paradox: every time someone other then MJ makes money it's the gateway to evil but when MJ makes money it's just and righteous. MJ has made a lot of money off being dead. Which he is not.

My pet theory indicates this is an entertainment project. A lot of different people profit from entertainment projects. Those people aren't anymore evil then your hair stylist or landscaper or banker or mechanic. It's their craft, their trade, it's what they do. This is what MJ does. This is what the Jacksons do. It doesn't make any of them evil or bad anymore then a cab driver picking up a fare or a vet seeing a patient. It's how they make their living. So I really don't understand the negativity.

Bec, if Michael hoaxed his death just for entertainment, I would be very disappointed and I can imagine that people are going to be so agry at him. Simply too much serious stuff happened after his death. Right, everyone gotta make money, bus not based on a lie just for entertainment purposes. Were talking about a death case, not some prank in a wheelchair on stage. And there is a BIG difference between Michael and the rest of the family, because Michael is making money because he WORKED his ass of for it. It's HIS work, his music, his vision. Not his siblings'. I almost want to compare it with the Chandlers, the Aviro's and everyone who wanted to make money, also Michaels money, and all this moneymaking was ALSO based on a LIE. I just don't like that way of moneymaking, only because the world has to go round.
What I mean is, they didn't have to emphazise a LIE in their books, sold all over the world. I don't care that they talked about his death on talkshows, but they had to leave it with that.

I don't know why I'm so negative again, maybe because I take off my hoax-glasses every once in a while and see things much different.  And I'm also bracing myself for the fact that there just is no hoax, or that we never will know what really happened I guess

I know I have to be patient but like I said several times these days, my gut says that things don't add to me anymore.


well said DO. I think sometimes people get all caught up and LOOK for hoaxy things, its probably best to see it though critical eyes to avoid making mountains out of mole hills...

I completely agree with what you say about the money making too - glad someone else sees it the same way  :icon_mrgreen: :bearhug:

+1

....I would also add.. Wade's allegations weren't for entertainment reasons, Paris "suicide attempt" wasn't for entertainmnet reasons, rehashing alleged "drug use" isn't for entertainment reasons, bogus stories about who is "buying Neverland" isn't for entertainment reasons.

MJ was dealing with some serious ugliness in this industry and what people will do for money.

There's nothing entertaining about that.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: charlottevet on August 14, 2013, 02:09:13 PM
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Everyone gotta make money. It's what makes the world go round. I honestly don't understand this paradox: every time someone other then MJ makes money it's the gateway to evil but when MJ makes money it's just and righteous. MJ has made a lot of money off being dead. Which he is not.

My pet theory indicates this is an entertainment project. A lot of different people profit from entertainment projects. Those people aren't anymore evil then your hair stylist or landscaper or banker or mechanic. It's their craft, their trade, it's what they do. This is what MJ does. This is what the Jacksons do. It doesn't make any of them evil or bad anymore then a cab driver picking up a fare or a vet seeing a patient. It's how they make their living. So I really don't understand the negativity.

Bec, if Michael hoaxed his death just for entertainment, I would be very disappointed and I can imagine that people are going to be so agry at him. Simply too much serious stuff happened after his death. Right, everyone gotta make money, bus not based on a lie just for entertainment purposes. Were talking about a death case, not some prank in a wheelchair on stage. And there is a BIG difference between Michael and the rest of the family, because Michael is making money because he WORKED his ass of for it. It's HIS work, his music, his vision. Not his siblings'. I almost want to compare it with the Chandlers, the Aviro's and everyone who wanted to make money, also Michaels money, and all this moneymaking was ALSO based on a LIE. I just don't like that way of moneymaking, only because the world has to go round.
What I mean is, they didn't have to emphazise a LIE in their books, sold all over the world. I don't care that they talked about his death on talkshows, but they had to leave it with that.

I don't know why I'm so negative again, maybe because I take off my hoax-glasses every once in a while and see things much different.  And I'm also bracing myself for the fact that there just is no hoax, or that we never will know what really happened I guess

I know I have to be patient but like I said several times these days, my gut says that things don't add to me anymore.


well said DO. I think sometimes people get all caught up and LOOK for hoaxy things, its probably best to see it though critical eyes to avoid making mountains out of mole hills...

I completely agree with what you say about the money making too - glad someone else sees it the same way  :icon_mrgreen: :bearhug:

+1

....I would also add.. Wade's allegations weren't for entertainment reasons, Paris "suicide attempt" wasn't for entertainmnet reasons, rehashing alleged "drug use" isn't for entertainment reasons, bogus stories about who is "buying Neverland" isn't for entertainment reasons.

MJ was dealing with some serious ugliness in this industry and what people will do for money.

There's nothing entertaining about that.

uh huh :)  :penguin:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Do on August 14, 2013, 02:22:04 PM
@Charlotte  :bearhug:

@Snoopy: Thank you for your last two posts. You clearly explained why Katherine is suing again (I simply forget a lot of stuff in the process :smiley-vault-misc-150: and now it makes more sense, although the whole trial is still not sitting well with me. But that's not your fault!

Also what you added to my last post about the non-entertaining events that happened, I'm glad you understand what I'm trying to say and how I feel about this. If this really is a hoax, then everyting, just everything, EVERYTHING has to be morally correct, just to avoid a giant backlash after a possible return of Michael.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Snoopy71 on August 14, 2013, 02:54:50 PM
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@Charlotte  :bearhug:

@Snoopy: Thank you for your last two posts. You clearly explained why Katherine is suing again (I simply forget a lot of stuff in the process :smiley-vault-misc-150: and now it makes more sense, although the whole trial is still not sitting well with me. But that's not your fault!

Also what you added to my last post about the non-entertaining events that happened, I'm glad you understand what I'm trying to say and how I feel about this. If this really is a hoax, then everyting, just everything, EVERYTHING has to be morally correct, just to avoid a giant backlash after a possible return of Michael.

Do,

Like you said, I think it's not sitting well with some of us because we haven't had anything substantial in terms of clues, video etc... that let us know this is in fact part of the plan and it leaves alot of this trial business up to interpretation....and not in a good way.

The only thing that even remotely links this trial to a "hoax" is that it has been broadcast through Twitter...and Front just "happens" to embrace twitter at the same time.

But even that connection is shaky at best since there is still nothing definitive.

Still no explanations, no clarity, no direction = bupkis

So until the end of October or whenever, I wouldn't pull my hair out about it :Pulling_hair:



Clearly this isn't going to turn out how any of us expect, so I guess for now it's just conversation. :icon_e_wink:





Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on August 14, 2013, 03:08:08 PM
I disagree that Twtr Front is the only thing that remotely indicates trial is part of the hoax.
Front taking to twitter is inconsequential to whether or not trial is part of hoax IMO. (And TWTr Front being Forum Front let is inconclusive)

Logic says trial is part of hoax.

Katherine - suing for wrongful death
Michael - not dead


Not being condescending. But it's impossible for the trial to be real.

Trial is part of hoax. It's a way for MJ to stay current. It's a way for historical MJ topics to be dredged up and spoken about again. A lot about his character and 'bizare' behaviour.

Trial is def part of the entertainment IMO. No different to Murray trial.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: iLoveyoumore on August 14, 2013, 03:40:34 PM
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Katherine - suing for wrongful death
Michael - not dead

Imo too it's part of the hoax. Not possible for it to be (completely) real since nobody died.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on August 14, 2013, 04:43:37 PM
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Everyone gotta make money. It's what makes the world go round. I honestly don't understand this paradox: every time someone other then MJ makes money it's the gateway to evil but when MJ makes money it's just and righteous. MJ has made a lot of money off being dead. Which he is not.

My pet theory indicates this is an entertainment project. A lot of different people profit from entertainment projects. Those people aren't anymore evil then your hair stylist or landscaper or banker or mechanic. It's their craft, their trade, it's what they do. This is what MJ does. This is what the Jacksons do. It doesn't make any of them evil or bad anymore then a cab driver picking up a fare or a vet seeing a patient. It's how they make their living. So I really don't understand the negativity.

On this I'm with you,for sure Mike has done some big bucks lol  :LolLolLolLol: !!!
Fortunately this trial isn't garnering that much attention,maybe just our attention,the beLIEbers  :icon_geek: . The folks I know aren't paying it any attention and has no clue that it is going on. There isn't much talk about it on the entertainment shows either, so I wouldn't worry  ;). Folks who are MJ fans know the truth about his greedy family  :icon_e_confused:  :icon_e_wink: and we all know MJ was/is good dude  :icon_lol: who was taking advantage of by a lot of people including his family  :icon_e_confused:  :icon_e_wink:. He will be fine..trust me  :) .
Check out the crowd at MJ ONE just a few days ago  :icon_eek: !!!!


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BRW_Sc0CQAE9dbJ.jpg)

Follow the MONEY trail.......that leads up to SONY   :icon_e_surprised: !!!

(http://www.bizbash.com/content/editorial/storyimg/big/1135-m3708-chechler.jpg)

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on August 14, 2013, 04:50:56 PM
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Katherine - suing for wrongful death
Michael - not dead

Imo too it's part of the hoax. Not possible for it to be (completely) real since nobody died.



Agree.  :th_bravo:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on August 14, 2013, 05:00:59 PM
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Everyone gotta make money. It's what makes the world go round. I honestly don't understand this paradox: every time someone other then MJ makes money it's the gateway to evil but when MJ makes money it's just and righteous. MJ has made a lot of money off being dead. Which he is not.

My pet theory indicates this is an entertainment project. A lot of different people profit from entertainment projects. Those people aren't anymore evil then your hair stylist or landscaper or banker or mechanic. It's their craft, their trade, it's what they do. This is what MJ does. This is what the Jacksons do. It doesn't make any of them evil or bad anymore then a cab driver picking up a fare or a vet seeing a patient. It's how they make their living. So I really don't understand the negativity.

YES YES thank you Bec for speaking my mind because if you say it everybody will respect it but if I say it everyone will jump on me, Michael is not the only one that has the right to make money, what if Michael DOES want his family to get profit from his hoax due to they all in one way or another have contributed it?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on August 14, 2013, 05:12:15 PM
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To the legal system it is a very big difference. What you suggest MJ has committed, Snoopy, is fraud. Just saying. No eye roll needed.

[Michael Jackson's mother, Katherine, is suing AEG Live for the wrongful death of her son, alleging that the concert promoter was negligent in hiring Dr. Conrad Murray to care for the singer  ahead of a series of London comeback concerts set for July 2009.]

Katherine is suing for negligence. That means compensation.

...


Your comment just made me think of something, hopefully I'll explain this right. 

The only charge that stuck and is being tried is the "negligent hiring and supervision of Dr Murray", all the other charges from Katherine (which held more significance against AEG) were dismissed.  The only real reason I can think for only having that one particular charge is that maybe it was the only (somewhat) legal thing she could sue for, since Michael is still alive.  Because AEG still could've hired Murray without checking his background info and without keeping an eye on what he was actually doing.  Katherine would need to have the other charges listed because they would be expected.  The judge would need to be "in on it" in order for that trial to move ahead with just that one charge, the least damning(?) one, the "legit" one.  Maybe?  I think the trial is not entirely real but perhaps not entirely fake either, somewhere in the middle.  Hoax court vs sting court, lol...could be both!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on August 14, 2013, 05:17:26 PM
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Everyone gotta make money. It's what makes the world go round. I honestly don't understand this paradox: every time someone other then MJ makes money it's the gateway to evil but when MJ makes money it's just and righteous. MJ has made a lot of money off being dead. Which he is not.

My pet theory indicates this is an entertainment project. A lot of different people profit from entertainment projects. Those people aren't anymore evil then your hair stylist or landscaper or banker or mechanic. It's their craft, their trade, it's what they do. This is what MJ does. This is what the Jacksons do. It doesn't make any of them evil or bad anymore then a cab driver picking up a fare or a vet seeing a patient. It's how they make their living. So I really don't understand the negativity.

Bec, if Michael hoaxed his death just for entertainment, I would be very disappointed and I can imagine that people are going to be so angry at him. Simply too much serious stuff happened after his death. Right, everyone gotta make money, bus not based on a lie just for entertainment purposes. Were talking about a death case, not some prank in a wheelchair on stage. And there is a BIG difference between Michael and the rest of the family, because Michael is making money because he WORKED his ass of for it. It's HIS work, his music, his vision. Not his siblings'. I almost want to compare it with the Chandlers, the Aviro's and everyone who wanted to make money, also Michaels money, and all this moneymaking was ALSO based on a LIE. I just don't like that way of moneymaking, only because the world has to go round.
What I mean is, they didn't have to emphazise a LIE in their books, sold all over the world. I don't care that they talked about his death on talkshows, but they had to leave it with that.

I don't know why I'm so negative again, maybe because I take off my hoax-glasses every once in a while and see things much different. And I'm also bracing myself for the fact that there just is no hoax, or that we never will know what really happened I guess. I know I have to be patient but like I said several times these days, my gut says that things don't add to me anymore.

Edit: Now I'm going to try to be positive again!


Do MJ didn't hoax his death for you to like it or dislike it, he is following a plan "maybe his dream" and nobody/nothing will stop that if you don't believe in it/him anymore you'd better stop reading about it before it hurts you more or get into depression just for your sake.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Snoopy71 on August 14, 2013, 05:35:37 PM
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To the legal system it is a very big difference. What you suggest MJ has committed, Snoopy, is fraud. Just saying. No eye roll needed.

[Michael Jackson's mother, Katherine, is suing AEG Live for the wrongful death of her son, alleging that the concert promoter was negligent in hiring Dr. Conrad Murray to care for the singer  ahead of a series of London comeback concerts set for July 2009.]

Katherine is suing for negligence. That means compensation.

...


Your comment just made me think of something, hopefully I'll explain this right. 

The only charge that stuck and is being tried is the "negligent hiring and supervision of Dr Murray", all the other charges from Katherine (which held more significance against AEG) were dismissed.  The only real reason I can think for only having that one particular charge is that maybe it was the only (somewhat) legal thing she could sue for, since Michael is still alive.  Because AEG still could've hired Murray without checking his background info and without keeping an eye on what he was actually doing.  Katherine would need to have the other charges listed because they would be expected.  The judge would need to be "in on it" in order for that trial to move ahead with just that one charge, the least damning(?) one, the "legit" one.  Maybe?  I think the trial is not entirely real but perhaps not entirely fake either, somewhere in the middle.  Hoax court vs sting court, lol...could be both!

Andrea you made my day  :bearhug:

I wasn't articulating it right. You explained it WAY better!

Thank you!  :icon_e_smile:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on August 14, 2013, 05:41:51 PM
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To the legal system it is a very big difference. What you suggest MJ has committed, Snoopy, is fraud. Just saying. No eye roll needed.

[Michael Jackson's mother, Katherine, is suing AEG Live for the wrongful death of her son, alleging that the concert promoter was negligent in hiring Dr. Conrad Murray to care for the singer  ahead of a series of London comeback concerts set for July 2009.]

Katherine is suing for negligence. That means compensation.


Fraud has nothing to do with it. Not sure where you're coming up with that?  :suspect:


All Katherine...et.al... has to prove is that AEG put MJ's health at risk for profit$...not that they killed him (Murray did that).

If this were a true wrongful death trial Murray would have been included in the suit and tried alongside AEG...but he wasn't.

So clearly we know who MJ was targeting!

If AEG was even remotely aware of the "questionable" treatments Murray was giving MJ, and they did nothing, then they are liable.


They aren't on trial for how MJ died (Murray already took that bullet)....they are on trial for the actions they took that contributed to what caused his "death"...HUGE DIFFERENCE.


Fraud is nowhere in the equation.
 

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It would make sense now as to why Murray would still remain in jail throughout these proceedings and why his release could coincide with the end of the AEG trial.



But again, everyone is entitled to their own opinion....and you're right....no eye rolling necessary. :icon_rolleyes:


1- Katherine Jackson is suing AEG for negligence in hiring a Doctor that turned out to be a disaster but ...wasn't this doctor an actor and wasn't all the death scene staged?
2- Katherine Jackson is suing AEG because they tried to take advantage of her son taking his catalog in case he could not perform the infamous 50 concerts... but do we know if all this is true?

In case this was true and KJ wins I don't think she would ever want to receive that money because her son is alive however the whole world would learn how AEG tried to screw her son and the devilish behaviours of The Music Industry would be exposed and ridiculed maybe that's the key of this trial which I think is 50% true 50% staged.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Snoopy71 on August 14, 2013, 05:49:27 PM
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To the legal system it is a very big difference. What you suggest MJ has committed, Snoopy, is fraud. Just saying. No eye roll needed.

[Michael Jackson's mother, Katherine, is suing AEG Live for the wrongful death of her son, alleging that the concert promoter was negligent in hiring Dr. Conrad Murray to care for the singer  ahead of a series of London comeback concerts set for July 2009.]

Katherine is suing for negligence. That means compensation.


Fraud has nothing to do with it. Not sure where you're coming up with that?  :suspect:


All Katherine...et.al... has to prove is that AEG put MJ's health at risk for profit$...not that they killed him (Murray did that).

If this were a true wrongful death trial Murray would have been included in the suit and tried alongside AEG...but he wasn't.

So clearly we know who MJ was targeting!

If AEG was even remotely aware of the "questionable" treatments Murray was giving MJ, and they did nothing, then they are liable.


They aren't on trial for how MJ died (Murray already took that bullet)....they are on trial for the actions they took that contributed to what caused his "death"...HUGE DIFFERENCE.


Fraud is nowhere in the equation.
 

(http://i41.tinypic.com/24wtz0i.jpg)
 



It would make sense now as to why Murray would still remain in jail throughout these proceedings and why his release could coincide with the end of the AEG trial.



But again, everyone is entitled to their own opinion....and you're right....no eye rolling necessary. :icon_rolleyes:


1- Katherine Jackson is suing AEG for negligence in hiring a Doctor that turned out to be a disaster but ...wasn't this doctor an actor and wasn't all the death scene staged?
2- Katherine Jackson is suing AEG because they tried to take advantage of her son taking his catalog in case he could not perform the infamous 50 concerts... but do we know if all this is true?

In case this was true and KJ wins I don't think she would ever want to receive that money because her son is alive however the whole world would learn how AEG tried to screw her son and the devilish behaviours of The Music Industry would be exposed and ridiculed maybe that's the key of this trial which I think is 50% true 50% staged.

+1


....another thought is that in addition to the Music Industry expose', the trial settlement money proceeds could be donated to fund Michaels Children's Hospital vision.  It would explain the enormous amount of money they are requesting(Win/Win) and it might be the whole reason for the trial.  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on August 14, 2013, 05:56:45 PM
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To the legal system it is a very big difference. What you suggest MJ has committed, Snoopy, is fraud. Just saying. No eye roll needed.

[Michael Jackson's mother, Katherine, is suing AEG Live for the wrongful death of her son, alleging that the concert promoter was negligent in hiring Dr. Conrad Murray to care for the singer  ahead of a series of London comeback concerts set for July 2009.]

Katherine is suing for negligence. That means compensation.

...


Your comment just made me think of something, hopefully I'll explain this right. 

The only charge that stuck and is being tried is the "negligent hiring and supervision of Dr Murray", all the other charges from Katherine (which held more significance against AEG) were dismissed.  The only real reason I can think for only having that one particular charge is that maybe it was the only (somewhat) legal thing she could sue for, since Michael is still alive.  Because AEG still could've hired Murray without checking his background info and without keeping an eye on what he was actually doing.  Katherine would need to have the other charges listed because they would be expected.  The judge would need to be "in on it" in order for that trial to move ahead with just that one charge, the least damning(?) one, the "legit" one.  Maybe?  I think the trial is not entirely real but perhaps not entirely fake either, somewhere in the middle.  Hoax court vs sting court, lol...could be both!

LOL I have posted almost the same as you however when I posted it I hadn't read your post yet.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on August 14, 2013, 06:04:28 PM
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To the legal system it is a very big difference. What you suggest MJ has committed, Snoopy, is fraud. Just saying. No eye roll needed.

[Michael Jackson's mother, Katherine, is suing AEG Live for the wrongful death of her son, alleging that the concert promoter was negligent in hiring Dr. Conrad Murray to care for the singer  ahead of a series of London comeback concerts set for July 2009.]

Katherine is suing for negligence. That means compensation.


Fraud has nothing to do with it. Not sure where you're coming up with that?  :suspect:


All Katherine...et.al... has to prove is that AEG put MJ's health at risk for profit$...not that they killed him (Murray did that).

If this were a true wrongful death trial Murray would have been included in the suit and tried alongside AEG...but he wasn't.

So clearly we know who MJ was targeting!

If AEG was even remotely aware of the "questionable" treatments Murray was giving MJ, and they did nothing, then they are liable.


They aren't on trial for how MJ died (Murray already took that bullet)....they are on trial for the actions they took that contributed to what caused his "death"...HUGE DIFFERENCE.


Fraud is nowhere in the equation.
 

(http://i41.tinypic.com/24wtz0i.jpg)
 



It would make sense now as to why Murray would still remain in jail throughout these proceedings and why his release could coincide with the end of the AEG trial.



But again, everyone is entitled to their own opinion....and you're right....no eye rolling necessary. :icon_rolleyes:


1- Katherine Jackson is suing AEG for negligence in hiring a Doctor that turned out to be a disaster but ...wasn't this doctor an actor and wasn't all the death scene staged?
2- Katherine Jackson is suing AEG because they tried to take advantage of her son taking his catalog in case he could not perform the infamous 50 concerts... but do we know if all this is true?

In case this was true and KJ wins I don't think she would ever want to receive that money because her son is alive however the whole world would learn how AEG tried to screw her son and the devilish behaviours of The Music Industry would be exposed and ridiculed maybe that's the key of this trial which I think is 50% true 50% staged.

+1


....another thought is that in addition to the Music Industry expose', the trial settlement money proceeds could be donated to fund Michaels Children's Hospital vision.  (Win/Win) and it might be the whole reason for this trial.  :icon_razz:

Exactly Snoopy that's the way MJ's brain works, people took advantage of Michael and now Michael is taking advantage of them through the hoax, can you see that?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Snoopy71 on August 14, 2013, 06:38:26 PM
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To the legal system it is a very big difference. What you suggest MJ has committed, Snoopy, is fraud. Just saying. No eye roll needed.

[Michael Jackson's mother, Katherine, is suing AEG Live for the wrongful death of her son, alleging that the concert promoter was negligent in hiring Dr. Conrad Murray to care for the singer  ahead of a series of London comeback concerts set for July 2009.]

Katherine is suing for negligence. That means compensation.


Fraud has nothing to do with it. Not sure where you're coming up with that?  :suspect:


All Katherine...et.al... has to prove is that AEG put MJ's health at risk for profit$...not that they killed him (Murray did that).

If this were a true wrongful death trial Murray would have been included in the suit and tried alongside AEG...but he wasn't.

So clearly we know who MJ was targeting!

If AEG was even remotely aware of the "questionable" treatments Murray was giving MJ, and they did nothing, then they are liable.


They aren't on trial for how MJ died (Murray already took that bullet)....they are on trial for the actions they took that contributed to what caused his "death"...HUGE DIFFERENCE.


Fraud is nowhere in the equation.
 

(http://i41.tinypic.com/24wtz0i.jpg)
 



It would make sense now as to why Murray would still remain in jail throughout these proceedings and why his release could coincide with the end of the AEG trial.



But again, everyone is entitled to their own opinion....and you're right....no eye rolling necessary. :icon_rolleyes:


1- Katherine Jackson is suing AEG for negligence in hiring a Doctor that turned out to be a disaster but ...wasn't this doctor an actor and wasn't all the death scene staged?
2- Katherine Jackson is suing AEG because they tried to take advantage of her son taking his catalog in case he could not perform the infamous 50 concerts... but do we know if all this is true?

In case this was true and KJ wins I don't think she would ever want to receive that money because her son is alive however the whole world would learn how AEG tried to screw her son and the devilish behaviours of The Music Industry would be exposed and ridiculed maybe that's the key of this trial which I think is 50% true 50% staged.

+1


....another thought is that in addition to the Music Industry expose', the trial settlement money proceeds could be donated to fund Michaels Children's Hospital vision.  (Win/Win) and it might be the whole reason for this trial.  :icon_razz:

Exactly Snoopy that's the way MJ's brain works, people took advantage of Michael and now Michael is taking advantage of them through the hoax, can you see that?

Yep, now a reason for the AEG trial makes more sense. 

The whole "27 lost cell phones" reference made me think of that recording Murray's saved on his phone from Michael talking about the Children's Hospital.  An how Murray was going to be the hospital director.

Oh yes, it is coming clearer now. :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on August 14, 2013, 11:32:40 PM
This shit right here tho... PAPARAZZI  :icon_e_biggrin:

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Paparazzi knocked one of my attys down coming out of court REALLY pic.twitter.com/LSnD44fCZ0

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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on August 15, 2013, 12:07:35 AM
It's a wrongful death trial. Not sure how you can get around that. Genuinely saying, if someone knows a way then let us hear it, otherwise, there's the fraud. MJ isn't dead so he didn't die wrongfully or otherwise. Yet KJ is suing on the pretense of wrongful death. Otherwise, how is AEG negligent? MJ is perfectly fine n Murray is a good guy. So how does KJ have any truthful basis for her complaint? Some are saying, AEG took advantage of MJ? How so? MJ punked the entire freakin world including (in your scenario) AEG, now who took advantage of who again?

MJ didn't get to where he is in the world by being taken advantage of. I do not buy the victim act. Besides, MJ doesn't need a few million dollars from AEG. He's made plenty being dead the last 4 years, if he didn't already have enough that is. If he really wanted to open a children's hospital he just would. He drops half a million in a store on vases and paintings just like la de dah. All those vases and paintings (and furniture and candlesticks and chandeliers and extra houses ect) would buy an entire children's hospital complete with staff most likely, and it wouldn't even affect his standard of living. I think he just wants to talk about it first. Get the word out, spread the noise, create some buzz. He's a showman. He doesn't just do something, there's a whole presentation that is involved.

MJ comes back and it's the greatest show on earth and it was all a ruse, live performance art from start to finish MJJ Productions n all that jazz and people are either going to go apeshit with WOW or they aren't going to care (think of your grandparents). Haters will hate no matter what happens. Hoaxers might feel let down, because we thought there was some serious threat aspect to the hoax, and his fans too, because they really thought he was dead and mourned him, but most would be miffed only temporarily, especially if he addresses those groups after the fact --personally with a really good reason for the charade (ARG?). We would care about a really good reason. Your average non-MJ fan? Doesn't care. 

MJ comes back after his mom sues non-hoax affiliated AEG for (and potentially wins) millions of dollars and says he fooled everyone for a really good reason and here it is... people are either going to be like wow that's a really good reason, and be sympathetic (his fans and anyone already sympathetic to him) or roll their eyes at the "excuse" and just focus on the fact that MJ lied to the whole world for some personal crusade and wasted taxpayer money and government time and distracted official business away from real investigations and court cases. Not good. I can hear Nancy Grace already. It's one thing to have people not care. It's a whole nother story to seriously piss them off. 

The only way he can keep his nose clean throughout all of this is to break no laws and pay for the whole thing himself aka no public money. So all those cops n investigators had to be paid for by MJJ Productions. All the judges n prosecutors n court employees, everyone. All the official time on the clock consumed in the course of this hoax had to be covered by MJ himself or else it's public relations suicide upon reveal.


Or I have no idea what I'm talking about. Which is entirely possible as well. I hope to find out some day.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: susieMJ on August 15, 2013, 01:47:11 AM
Bec, but isn't "a very good reason" the base of this whole hoax? This hoax is absolutely not for entertainment purposes only and i do believe that MJ wants to make us and the whole world realize some things (not a "personal crusade" but a much larger thing such as how the music industry treats the artists, Illuminati connexion etc etc as i'm pretty much certain that MJ's not pulling this hoax out only for some selfish purposes) that are usually ignored by the general public. Exposing "a very good reason" after bam is imo what will get the attention of people all around the world (with the exception of some people such as our grandparents lol) and what will have a massive effect on how MJ will be seen (his true genius will have to be recognized, even though, i agree with you, haters still gonna hate). Without that reason, bam, and the hoax are somehow pointless and if there is a come-back, then MJ might have some serious problems as people will feel betrayed (especially fans) even though everything in the hoax was legal. But if MJ has a "good reason" then not only will he get the people's attention (as i believe we (believers) won't be the only ones to care) but also revealing his magnificent hoax and its purposes he'll be able to explain his not 100% moral/legal proceedings (and don't get me wrong, I do not believe there are many of such things in this hoax but while he may be clean with the law, there will always be people claiming that this or that shouldn't have been done etc). If you want to expose someone, you just cannot be 100% nice to that person, especially when it is part of a larger operation (we were talking about the FBI involvement, stings etc)... If MJ has some important people on his side, i believe that nothing is impossible. While Murray's trial had fake written all over it, this one has always been a lot different to me, much more serious (maybe bcs we don't have live video coverage and can't see all the toys in the room lol). The fact that Katherine is directly involved bothers me a lot bcs somehow i do not believe that MJ would like his mum to be in court everyday and listen to horrible things being said about his son, whether he's dead or not, for hoax/entertainment purposes only... So imo he has to have some very good reasons to even let this trial begin. So i think that there has to be a real purpose for this trial (that may be half fake but not completely) and i have no real idea what this purpose is but i believe it will be part of the "very good reason" for this hoax and that it will be revealed after bam.
That being said, I have no real clue what's going on so i just wait...  :smiley-vault-misc-150:  :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on August 15, 2013, 03:23:03 AM
 Me too only waiting for....If Michael want all this will be a reason.And when I read these bad things only thought....MIke you Made us crazy.  :smiley-vault-misc-150:   :icon_razz:  keep th faith!  :moonwalk_:  :icon_geek:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on August 15, 2013, 03:36:32 AM
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To the legal system it is a very big difference. What you suggest MJ has committed, Snoopy, is fraud. Just saying. No eye roll needed.

[Michael Jackson's mother, Katherine, is suing AEG Live for the wrongful death of her son, alleging that the concert promoter was negligent in hiring Dr. Conrad Murray to care for the singer  ahead of a series of London comeback concerts set for July 2009.]

Katherine is suing for negligence. That means compensation.


Fraud has nothing to do with it. Not sure where you're coming up with that?  :suspect:


All Katherine...et.al... has to prove is that AEG put MJ's health at risk for profit$...not that they killed him (Murray did that).

If this were a true wrongful death trial Murray would have been included in the suit and tried alongside AEG...but he wasn't.

So clearly we know who MJ was targeting!

If AEG was even remotely aware of the "questionable" treatments Murray was giving MJ, and they did nothing, then they are liable.


They aren't on trial for how MJ died (Murray already took that bullet)....they are on trial for the actions they took that contributed to what caused his "death"...HUGE DIFFERENCE.


Fraud is nowhere in the equation.
 

(http://i41.tinypic.com/24wtz0i.jpg)
 



It would make sense now as to why Murray would still remain in jail throughout these proceedings and why his release could coincide with the end of the AEG trial.



But again, everyone is entitled to their own opinion....and you're right....no eye rolling necessary. :icon_rolleyes:


1- Katherine Jackson is suing AEG for negligence in hiring a Doctor that turned out to be a disaster but ...wasn't this doctor an actor and wasn't all the death scene staged?
2- Katherine Jackson is suing AEG because they tried to take advantage of her son taking his catalog in case he could not perform the infamous 50 concerts... but do we know if all this is true?

In case this was true and KJ wins I don't think she would ever want to receive that money because her son is alive however the whole world would learn how AEG tried to screw her son and the devilish behaviours of The Music Industry would be exposed and ridiculed maybe that's the key of this trial which I think is 50% true 50% staged.

+1


....another thought is that in addition to the Music Industry expose', the trial settlement money proceeds could be donated to fund Michaels Children's Hospital vision.  (Win/Win) and it might be the whole reason for this trial.  :icon_razz:

Exactly Snoopy that's the way MJ's brain works, people took advantage of Michael and now Michael is taking advantage of them through the hoax, can you see that?

Yep, now a reason for the AEG trial makes more sense. 

The whole "27 lost cell phones" reference made me think of that recording Murray's saved on his phone from Michael talking about the Children's Hospital.  An how Murray was going to be the hospital director.

Oh yes, it is coming clearer now. :icon_e_wink:

Quote
Yep, now a reason for the AEG trial makes more sense. 

Well I'm sorry , but I disagree  :smiley-vault-misc-150: ,cause to understand things a little better we have to go back,back in time lol  :LolLolLolLol: .BACK and FRONT,BACK and FORTH ,remember  :icon_question: ??
The AEG trial doesent make a F....G sense to me ,cause  it screams SONY all over it   :icon_mad:!!!!!!
Before Randy depo,there was Kathy Jorrie ,and Putnam was present when she spoke with LAPD after Michael Jackson's suppose death.



Q. Did you tell the Los Angeles Police Department that Dr. Murray took in over 12 million a year?

A. That's not what this says.

Q. Well, that's exactly what it says

A.  It says -- and what I told them is Dr. Murray had four practices that took in over -- and I told them $1million a year, and he added it up to 12.

Q. Did you put "gross"? Is "gross" in there?

A. That's what I meant, though, was gross.

Q. You meant. Okay. And you also told them about the tours two sentences down, didn't you

A. I spoke to him about the tour agreement and -- and how it was supposed to work.

Q. Did you tell him about the worldwide tour, you and Mr. Putnam in the presence of the Los Angeles PoliceDepartment?

A. I explained how the tour agreement would work
.

Q. Did you tell them that Mr. Jackson was going to go on a two- to three-year worldwide tour, yes or no?

A. No.


Speaking of Putnam, I came across this article on Twitter, which I found very interesting  :icon_geek:.

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/LAW/03/09/phony.critic/ (http://edition.cnn.com/2004/LAW/03/09/phony.critic/)

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"LOS ANGELES, California (Court TV) -- A group of disgruntled moviegoers will settle their suit out of court against a nonexistent film critic, whose glowing reviews of mediocre films prompted a class-action suit alleging filmgoers had been "tricked" into theaters.

"Pending court approval, we are in the process of drawing up a settlement," said Norman Blumenthal, a lawyer for the plaintiffs against Sony Pictures Entertainment, whose subsidiary, Columbia Pictures, distributed the films and the advertisements."

"A lawyer for Sony Pictures, Marvin Putnam  :icon_e_surprised: :icon_lol:, confirmed that no terms of settlement yet have been agreed upon."

So, Marvin Putnam is a Sony paid attorney who is also a lawyer in this Jackson vs AEG trial?? I knew I smelled Sony/John Branca all over this trial  :icon_twisted:!
Putnam's firm has been representing both AEG and Sony and it's written on their website for a long long time for anyone with the ability to google and read.


http://omm.com/entertainmentmedialitigation/ (http://omm.com/entertainmentmedialitigation/)

ABC, Inc.
Anschutz Entertainment Group
Antonio Margarito
Bristol Bay Productions
Buena Vista Home Video
Columbia TriStar Motion Picture Group
DIC Entertainment Holdings, Inc.
Fox Entertainment Group
Home Box Office
IDT Entertainment
Lions Gate Entertainment Corporation
Manny Pacquiao
Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, Inc.
Miramax Film Corporation
Motion Picture Association of America
MySpace, Inc.
New Line Cinema Corporation
Paramount Pictures Corporation
Recording Industry Association of America
J.K. Rowling
Sony Music Entertainment
Sony Pictures Entertainment

Time
TimeWarner, Inc.
Top Rank
Viacom
The Walt Disney Company
Warner Bros.
The Weinstein Company
Yahoo! Inc.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on August 15, 2013, 03:53:38 AM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqP8jyHF9E8[/youtube]

I wonder who is keaking these depo videos, and why at the begining it's written Entertainment  :suspect:  .
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Snoopy71 on August 15, 2013, 07:20:55 AM
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Bec, but isn't "a very good reason" the base of this whole hoax? This hoax is absolutely not for entertainment purposes only and i do believe that MJ wants to make us and the whole world realize some things (not a "personal crusade" but a much larger thing such as how the music industry treats the artists, Illuminati connexion etc etc as i'm pretty much certain that MJ's not pulling this hoax out only for some selfish purposes) that are usually ignored by the general public. Exposing "a very good reason" after bam is imo what will get the attention of people all around the world (with the exception of some people such as our grandparents lol) and what will have a massive effect on how MJ will be seen (his true genius will have to be recognized, even though, i agree with you, haters still gonna hate). Without that reason, bam, and the hoax are somehow pointless and if there is a come-back, then MJ might have some serious problems as people will feel betrayed (especially fans) even though everything in the hoax was legal. But if MJ has a "good reason" then not only will he get the people's attention (as i believe we (believers) won't be the only ones to care) but also revealing his magnificent hoax and its purposes he'll be able to explain his not 100% moral/legal proceedings (and don't get me wrong, I do not believe there are many of such things in this hoax but while he may be clean with the law, there will always be people claiming that this or that shouldn't have been done etc). If you want to expose someone, you just cannot be 100% nice to that person, especially when it is part of a larger operation (we were talking about the FBI involvement, stings etc)... If MJ has some important people on his side, i believe that nothing is impossible. While Murray's trial had fake written all over it, this one has always been a lot different to me, much more serious (maybe bcs we don't have live video coverage and can't see all the toys in the room lol). The fact that Katherine is directly involved bothers me a lot bcs somehow i do not believe that MJ would like his mum to be in court everyday and listen to horrible things being said about his son, whether he's dead or not, for hoax/entertainment purposes only... So imo he has to have some very good reasons to even let this trial begin. So i think that there has to be a real purpose for this trial (that may be half fake but not completely) and i have no real idea what this purpose is but i believe it will be part of the "very good reason" for this hoax and that it will be revealed after bam.
That being said, I have no real clue what's going on so i just wait...  :smiley-vault-misc-150:  :LolLolLolLol:

+1  

I agree with EVERY word! My sentiments exactly. :icon_e_smile:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Snoopy71 on August 15, 2013, 07:30:12 AM
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqP8jyHF9E8[/youtube]

I wonder who is keaking these depo videos, and why at the begining it's written Entertainment  :suspect:  .

Entertainment Daily News is a subsidiary of the AP (Associated Press). They are the ones putting out the video depositions.

Its a news reporting agency that can be accessed anywhere worldwide.


http://www.aptn.com/aptn/website_2005/press_and_jobs.nsf/(httpPressReleases)/CFADF54453D73E3B80257A0D003B74C0?OpenDocument&year=2012
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Snoopy71 on August 15, 2013, 08:00:47 AM
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So, Marvin Putnam is a Sony paid attorney who is also a lawyer in this Jackson vs AEG trial?? I knew I smelled Sony/John Branca all over this trial  :icon_twisted:!
Putnam's firm has been representing both AEG and Sony and it's written on their website for a long long time for anyone with the ability to google and read.




Sounds more like robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Makes sense to me the Estate would have an attorney who knows the inner workings of the Sony Corporation...as well as AEG.

Lawyers can represent who ever they want so long as they don't have a financial stake or shareholding conflict in the company.

Does Putnam own shares of Sony or AEG?

I'm not sure I'm understanding your point.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Do on August 15, 2013, 08:09:18 AM
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Everyone gotta make money. It's what makes the world go round. I honestly don't understand this paradox: every time someone other then MJ makes money it's the gateway to evil but when MJ makes money it's just and righteous. MJ has made a lot of money off being dead. Which he is not.

My pet theory indicates this is an entertainment project. A lot of different people profit from entertainment projects. Those people aren't anymore evil then your hair stylist or landscaper or banker or mechanic. It's their craft, their trade, it's what they do. This is what MJ does. This is what the Jacksons do. It doesn't make any of them evil or bad anymore then a cab driver picking up a fare or a vet seeing a patient. It's how they make their living. So I really don't understand the negativity.

Bec, if Michael hoaxed his death just for entertainment, I would be very disappointed and I can imagine that people are going to be so angry at him. Simply too much serious stuff happened after his death. Right, everyone gotta make money, bus not based on a lie just for entertainment purposes. Were talking about a death case, not some prank in a wheelchair on stage. And there is a BIG difference between Michael and the rest of the family, because Michael is making money because he WORKED his ass of for it. It's HIS work, his music, his vision. Not his siblings'. I almost want to compare it with the Chandlers, the Aviro's and everyone who wanted to make money, also Michaels money, and all this moneymaking was ALSO based on a LIE. I just don't like that way of moneymaking, only because the world has to go round.
What I mean is, they didn't have to emphazise a LIE in their books, sold all over the world. I don't care that they talked about his death on talkshows, but they had to leave it with that.

I don't know why I'm so negative again, maybe because I take off my hoax-glasses every once in a while and see things much different. And I'm also bracing myself for the fact that there just is no hoax, or that we never will know what really happened I guess. I know I have to be patient but like I said several times these days, my gut says that things don't add to me anymore.

Edit: Now I'm going to try to be positive again!


Do MJ didn't hoax his death for you to like it or dislike it, he is following a plan "maybe his dream" and nobody/nothing will stop that if you don't believe in it/him anymore you'd better stop reading about it before it hurts you more or get into depression just for your sake.

Sweet, nowhere in my post did I mention that I like/dislike Michaels hoax or dream, just read it again. I said that I don't like moneymaking, based on a lie, by others who aren't hoaxing their own death (in this case his siblings). IMO this is morally incorrect . If Michael is hoaxing his death (for serious reasons, which is a prerequisite in this case, at least for me) he can't help it that, as a result of his death, people flock to the stores to buy his music, or go to the This is It movie or buy memorabilia.
On the other hand, deliberately making money on a lie, I feel is wrong. Like I mentioned in one of my other posts:

If this really is a hoax, then everyting, EVERYTHING has to be morally correct, just to avoid a giant backlash after a possible return of Michael.

If you are referring to the fact that I said that I would be disappointed if this hoax is just for 'entertainment', well yeah, than you have a point. But I can't imagine that Michael would do this 'just' for entertainment, not after all the serious stuff that happened.

And I know this is a hoax site , but it doesn't hurt to be critical at the hoax every once in a while  :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on August 15, 2013, 08:34:47 AM
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....another thought is that in addition to the Music Industry expose', the trial settlement money proceeds could be donated to fund Michaels Children's Hospital vision.  It would explain the enormous amount of money they are requesting(Win/Win) and it might be the whole reason for the trial.  :icon_razz:

I have similar thoughts on this. I´m thinking about the audio which was played at the CM trial in which Michael was talking about his show and the money for the Michael Jackson´s Children´s Hospital.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on August 15, 2013, 08:57:44 AM
bec:
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MJ comes back after his mom sues non-hoax affiliated AEG for (and potentially wins) millions of dollars and says he fooled everyone for a really good reason and here it is... people are either going to be like wow that's a really good reason, and be sympathetic (his fans and anyone already sympathetic to him) or roll their eyes at the "excuse" and just focus on the fact that MJ lied to the whole world for some personal crusade and wasted taxpayer money and government time and distracted official business away from real investigations and court cases. Not good. I can hear Nancy Grace already. It's one thing to have people not care. It's a whole nother story to seriously piss them off.

The only way he can keep his nose clean throughout all of this is to break no laws and pay for the whole thing himself aka no public money. So all those cops n investigators had to be paid for by MJJ Productions. All the judges n prosecutors n court employees, everyone. All the official time on the clock consumed in the course of this hoax had to be covered by MJ himself or else it's public relations suicide upon reveal.



"They" did it to MJ in 2005.  They wasted tax payers money, government officials and time and distracted from other investigations/goings-on in the world by having a trial based on a lie.  I say "they" because I think TPTB were ultimately behind the Arviso's accusations, that it was a set-up, perhaps via Sneddon and whoever else had it in for Michael.  So if they can do it (trial based on a lie), so can Michael - although I do think he is funding his own project to make sure all the bases are covered, mostly to satisfy the public.  I don't think Michael is breaking any laws but he's probably bending a few.  And if the trial is not completely a hoax court then Michael must have some sort of backing for the trial to even be happening.  But I definitely agree there is also a live performance art and an ARG happening here.

And we can't say conclusively what AEG's role is yet, I certainly can't since my opinion flip-flops from day to day.  AEG could either be in on it all the way, to a certain degree or not at all although I think the last one is not likely.  AEG could be an example of what companies do to artists.



Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: susieMJ on August 15, 2013, 09:17:24 AM
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Bec, but isn't "a very good reason" the base of this whole hoax? This hoax is absolutely not for entertainment purposes only and i do believe that MJ wants to make us and the whole world realize some things (not a "personal crusade" but a much larger thing such as how the music industry treats the artists, Illuminati connexion etc etc as i'm pretty much certain that MJ's not pulling this hoax out only for some selfish purposes) that are usually ignored by the general public. Exposing "a very good reason" after bam is imo what will get the attention of people all around the world (with the exception of some people such as our grandparents lol) and what will have a massive effect on how MJ will be seen (his true genius will have to be recognized, even though, i agree with you, haters still gonna hate). Without that reason, bam, and the hoax are somehow pointless and if there is a come-back, then MJ might have some serious problems as people will feel betrayed (especially fans) even though everything in the hoax was legal. But if MJ has a "good reason" then not only will he get the people's attention (as i believe we (believers) won't be the only ones to care) but also revealing his magnificent hoax and its purposes he'll be able to explain his not 100% moral/legal proceedings (and don't get me wrong, I do not believe there are many of such things in this hoax but while he may be clean with the law, there will always be people claiming that this or that shouldn't have been done etc). If you want to expose someone, you just cannot be 100% nice to that person, especially when it is part of a larger operation (we were talking about the FBI involvement, stings etc)... If MJ has some important people on his side, i believe that nothing is impossible. While Murray's trial had fake written all over it, this one has always been a lot different to me, much more serious (maybe bcs we don't have live video coverage and can't see all the toys in the room lol). The fact that Katherine is directly involved bothers me a lot bcs somehow i do not believe that MJ would like his mum to be in court everyday and listen to horrible things being said about his son, whether he's dead or not, for hoax/entertainment purposes only... So imo he has to have some very good reasons to even let this trial begin. So i think that there has to be a real purpose for this trial (that may be half fake but not completely) and i have no real idea what this purpose is but i believe it will be part of the "very good reason" for this hoax and that it will be revealed after bam.
That being said, I have no real clue what's going on so i just wait...  :smiley-vault-misc-150:  :LolLolLolLol:

+1  

I agree with EVERY word! My sentiments exactly. :icon_e_smile:

Then we are at least two :D I hope that i made myself clear enough in my post, which was pretty difficult as my brain is getting more and more similar to a pudding with all those trials and tribulations in the hoax now  :screaming-7365:  :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on August 15, 2013, 09:29:07 AM
Yes Snoopy and Everlasting, but ...... I've talked about this before - he can't go taking money, no matter what good a cause it is for, if it's given on the assumption he's dead, when he's not .......

unless, a) AEG are 'in on it' and have agreed to the 'storyline',

or b) MJ is staying dead forever, thus never to be exposed as a fraudster and his family (and anyone one else who's in on it) are prepared to keep quiet and live with it on their consciences for the rest of their lives,

or c) Katherine doesn't know he's alive and this trial is genuine (and everyone else meanwhile is prepared to keep quiet and live with it on their consciences for the rest of their lives),

or d) he's dead, and the hospital can be built in his memory with Murray in charge (that was the plan wasn't it?).

@Andrea, I've just seen your latest post:
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  AEG could be an example of what companies do to artists.
May be I'm playing DA here, but AEG could be an example of how companies can help artists achieve their dreams. (From that, you can tell which of my 4 options above I'd be going with in the possible settlement or compensation scenarios!)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on August 15, 2013, 10:24:55 AM
Your average Joe Q. Public doesn't care what the music industry does to artists. They don't care that MJ was wrongfully accused. They don't care about any of MJ's personal crusades what ever they happen to be. They. do not. care.

But they want to be entertained.

Btw, you can follow the money trail all the way to MJ himself.

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This hoax is absolutely not for entertainment purposes only and i do believe that MJ wants to make us and the whole world realize some things (not a "personal crusade" but a much larger thing such as how the music industry treats the artists, Illuminati connexion etc etc as i'm pretty much certain that MJ's not pulling this hoax out only for some selfish purposes) that are usually ignored by the general public.
You do not know that.

Those things are personal crusades as far as your average person is concerned. They don't care. They have bills to pay and kids to get to school and jobs to get to and retirement to save for and taxes to file and dentists appointments to make. They do not care about the Illuminati or the evil Sony empire or MJ being falsely accused in 2005. They just don't give a shit. They have their own lives to attend to and their own interests they are wrapped up in. This is OUR world (hoax world), and there are very few others that share it with us. The rest of the world goes on regardless of how unfair MJ had it xyz blah blah blah etc.

Let's face it, life is unfair and everyone has their own burden to bear. MJ fakes his death and comes back and his reason is personal like some are suggesting? Burned at the stake. Life is tough all the way around, buck up buttercup. After all, how offensive. What about the single mother working 3 jobs just to feed her 3 kids after her husband dies in a car accident leaving her a widow without skills or prospects? What about the disabled veteran living homeless with his dog on the street begging for spare change, getting beaten by a gang of young thugs who steel his dog while he ends up in the hospital? What about the poor young man falsely accused of rape by the affluent daughter of of a politician ending up in jail because he can't afford proper legal representation who's entire life is now ruined? These people have it rough. Not Mr. Drops half a Mil on Vases n Paintings in one afternoon. There will be little to any sympathy for his "cause". He's a multi-billionaire celebrity. There will be no sympathy for him if he wastes tax payer money. And no one will care if he whines n protests n says Sneddon did it first. So fight it in court if you think it was so unjust. What's wrong with the proper channels? You know, the way everyone else has to seek recourse? What's a-matter, MJ too good for that? Is MJ above the law?

Now, let's imagine he does it all as a long running, privately funded, live magic trick, real time illusion, comes back n says BAM, fooled you all! Haha that's a wrap, all those poor pathetic people will have a massive distraction away from their miserable real lives for a moment. Imagine he reveals that everything everyone saw on the news n in the papers for 4 years regarding his death was faked. Wow, wrap your head around that. Neato. Even the least interested in MJ will have to admit that's pretty damn cool that he pulled off such a massive hoax on such a massive scale. Ta-da: entertained.

Edited to add this paragraph: The only people likely to be pissed off by this scenario are fans and... US: two of the least risky demographics to alienate and two of the most likely demographics to "get over it". Piss of people who are already loyal and devoted? No sweat, just explain yourself after the fact and we will all let it go and celebrate MJ once again. You know that's true. Just look at the non-believers. How many of them are REALLY going to turn away from MJ when he turns out to be not dead? No matter how often they insist they would be offended n have their feelings hurt if MJ fooled them into thinking he's dead when he's not, you know they don't mean it. MJ turns out to be not dead they will be the first to stand up n cheer.

After all, what's the point of producing a music album? What's the point of filming a music video? What's the point of Cirque de Solei Immortal? What's the point?? Entertainment is the point. Should there be a bigger point? What's wrong with just that? Entertainment is the life blood of a human being's daily quality of life. It's essential. Otherwise we are just slowly slipping towards death, killing time, waiting to go to work/waiting to go home. Entertainment is vital to our ability to enjoy our daily lives. Life would seriously suck in a world devoid of entertainment.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on August 15, 2013, 10:37:57 AM
OMG Tom Meseraeau is BRILLIANT  :icon_cool:!!!!! And he is right about this CONTRADICTORY SITUATION  and if AEG knew about Michael's supposed problems  :icon_rolleyes:,then why invest 30 million dollar in Michael,before the tour even began  :suspect:  :icon_lol: !!!! Again Mesereau repeatse what he always said about Mike: he never saw him take something,on the contrary,he was always lucid,articulate ,cooperative and one of  the nicect clients that he ever had  :-* .
I can't wait for Diana Ross and Spike Lee depo,that's all I have to say  ;) .


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCV0mcBpWjU[/youtube]
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on August 15, 2013, 10:48:58 AM
Bravo Bec! Not even gonna try and add to your comments.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: use_your_illusion on August 15, 2013, 11:22:28 AM
Wow Bec...when you put it like that, it's simple and completely plausible. Everything else is complicated and tied loosely. I don't know what the story is, but  that seems pretty close to what it could be, and more realistic then anything else. Sometimes the correct explanation turns out to be the simplest one.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on August 15, 2013, 11:54:53 AM
It is simple n completely plausible, thanks UYI, I think so anyway. Honestly, it's the only explanation that makes any sense at all. In the same way the latest hit movie spins off into all sorts of products; dolls, games, books, lunch boxes, t-shirts, the Jackson's wrote books to supplement MJ's project. What's wrong with that? You don't think going on a live set and sticking to a script n a character through an entire interview isn't work? Good lord, talk about the hot seat. That is indeed working for a living and anyone who thinks it's mooching off MJ ought to give it a try themselves and see how well they do. These are oscar worthy performances.

And honestly, we aren't going to disparage the Jackson Family here anymore. It's expressly against the rules, not to mention the mission statement of this website.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Andrea on August 15, 2013, 12:08:55 PM

Bec, I definitely agree that entertainment is a HUGE aspect of the hoax.  And that entertainment is what the public craves.  It’s true that much of the general public doesn’t care much for things beyond their own personal bubbles but that doesn’t mean they are incapable of caring or recognizing injustices even if it is so far from their own reality.

Music albums and videos/films and other forms of entertainment can also carry messages and be educational.  Especially with Michael.  His style of entertainment isn’t the mind-numbing kind that is everywhere these days.  We don’t know what MJ knows so we can’t really say that he doesn’t have other motives for his hoax besides entertainment.  I think he does, that’s how I’ve been understanding it over the years but I know that perceptions are not always correct.  If the hoax was purely for entertainment purposes, I won’t be pissed off because even though I misunderstood what I thought I was seeing, I’ve been entertained and have learned far more than I thought possible and not just about Michael or the hoax –it all stemmed from opening my mind to the hoax.  And of course, I’ll be elated and relieved just to know, to see, that Michael is back. 
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: susieMJ on August 15, 2013, 12:25:09 PM
Bec, i want to remind you that NONE of us here or anywhere in the world (apart from MJ of course) knows for sure what this hoax is about. Entertainment - for sure this hoax is very entertaining and when bam comes it will be a great surprise that will become something major in the whole entertainment history... But why not entertain and educate? What's wrong with that? Why not show people that there are some things going on in this world that most of us aren't aware of? Is that less entertaining? Of course it isn't - it creates the buzz, stories, controversy - it's great - it's entertaining - it may not be 100% clean but that's how our world works - after all, people enjoy watching movies where people are getting murdered etc... It's also in human nature to completely ignore certain things - and I agree that many people won't care about bam, MJ, his life etc etc but it's the same with every single event/person... Life is unfair and people are egoist and that's a fact that won't change... Most of us cannot fight the injustice in the world as our poor lives are pretty meaningless and vulnerable on a global scale... Is MJ any different? No! But he's probably the most famous person in the world and he has the ability to change something (money, power, fame whatever) - ok people won't give a s*** about how unjustly he was treated and accused and i believe that many will still call him a pedophile... But wait, if he says something that concerns our average life, if he talks about mind control, governements, justice, media etc etc - that will get interesting as a person that doesn't give a s*** about Mj will suddenly realize that they're somehow concerned... Will it be entertaining - hell yes! Will it educate/open people's minds? Hell yes! Then where's the problem? If this hoax is all about entertainment, then what are the numerology, clues etc for? Entertainment? Of who? A small group of hoaxers? If MJ comes back and says that he's just fooled everybody? How will it truly affect an average person? Oh well he was dead now he's alive..what's the difference - it's a surprise but after a week or two it just gets normal and the whole hoax is somehow forgotten as i do not believe that people will read all the investigation and get informed of all the clues... As you said - as long as it doesn't concern their average person, people won't care! But if MJ reveals something that somehow touches all of us - how brilliant it will be! His plan, his hoax will suddenly make sense - some people may eventually get interested in his numerology, clues as they will understand that there is a REASON behind them! Entertainment is a "huge" word and I believe that the more complicated and unpredictable a thing is, the more entertaining it is - and this hoax has surely many layers, many of which we are not even aware of... 
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on August 15, 2013, 12:37:57 PM
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Bec, i want to remind you that NONE of us here or anywhere in the world (apart from MJ of course) knows for sure what this hoax is about. 
No kidding. You're the one saying

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This hoax is absolutely not for entertainment purposes only 
when you have no idea if that is true or not, just like you said.

I've been saying for 4 years that entertainment is the best way to educate people. But everyone stops at the word "entertainment" and jumps on the flame wagon.

I believe the numerology is MJ's signature and something he does because it is important to HIM.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on August 15, 2013, 05:54:45 PM
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Yes Snoopy and Everlasting, but ...... I've talked about this before - he can't go taking money, no matter what good a cause it is for, if it's given on the assumption he's dead, when he's not .......

unless, a) AEG are 'in on it' and have agreed to the 'storyline',

or b) MJ is staying dead forever, thus never to be exposed as a fraudster and his family (and anyone one else who's in on it) are prepared to keep quiet and live with it on their consciences for the rest of their lives,

or c) Katherine doesn't know he's alive and this trial is genuine (and everyone else meanwhile is prepared to keep quiet and live with it on their consciences for the rest of their lives),

or d) he's dead, and the hospital can be built in his memory with Murray in charge (that was the plan wasn't it?).

I have to agree that he can't take the trial proceeds to fund a hospital, because that would be fraud, though the proceeds from the entertainment part (movies, media, books etc) about the trial(s) and the hoax could be used for a fund eventually.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on August 15, 2013, 10:32:38 PM
Guys take a look at these tweets:


Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 3h

Jackson’s body was kept for several weeks at the cemetery after his death, and he’s interred at another Forest Lawn cemetery.

    Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 3h

    One place where he took Rowe was Forest Lawn Hollywood Hills, where they looked at the sculptures and artwork in peace.   
       
    5:05 PM - 15 Aug 13 · Details

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 3h

There were very few places where Jackson could go in public and not be mobbed or noticed, she said.
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Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 3h

... Rowe said Jackson called up Gregory Peck to answer questions about the film. “Michael was tickled,” she said.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 3h

Rowe hadn’t seen “To Kill a Mockingbird,” so Jackson called her one time when it was on TV. They didn’t know what a word meant, so ...(cont)

Please read the rest of the tweets too there's a lot of info. there.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on August 15, 2013, 11:35:32 PM
What I think MJ is going to reveal is what everyone already knows (or ought to know) but doesn't want to deal with; that the news is not necessarily the truth. Simple as that. But instead of just talking about it, this time, he's going to show us, just by not being dead and having done it all as a perfectly legitimate, albeit complete, illusion. Having that point hammered home as illustrated so perfectly by a very much alive n well MJ, would send shock waves through our culture for, potentially, generations, and by doing so unarguably make the world a very much better place. He doesn't have to utter a word of explanation besides "that's a wrap", the circumstances (media circus re: death) speak for themselves. Once MJ reveals that he fooled the world, no one else will be able to fool us all so "effortlessly" again (seriously wounding TPTB in the process--the media is their propaganda vehicle). Forever more the seed of doubt will exist in the minds of the masses, remember when MJ faked his death? The news said that was true too... That's a very powerful legacy to bestow. Much better then Thriller.

Not that it matters very much what I think  (http://encode.ru/images/smilies/os_crazy.gif)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on August 16, 2013, 06:50:55 AM
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Guys take a look at these tweets:


Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 3h

Jackson’s body was kept for several weeks at the cemetery after his death, and he’s interred at another Forest Lawn cemetery.

    Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 3h

    One place where he took Rowe was Forest Lawn Hollywood Hills, where they looked at the sculptures and artwork in peace.   
       
    5:05 PM - 15 Aug 13 · Details

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 3h

There were very few places where Jackson could go in public and not be mobbed or noticed, she said.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 3h

... Rowe said Jackson called up Gregory Peck to answer questions about the film. “Michael was tickled,” she said.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 3h

Rowe hadn’t seen “To Kill a Mockingbird,” so Jackson called her one time when it was on TV. They didn’t know what a word meant, so ...(cont)

Please read the rest of the tweets too there's a lot of info. there.

Thank you very much for this,very intresting and very hoaxy indeed  :icon_eek:  :suspect:  ;) .
What aboot vitiligo,Elephant man and Munich part   :suspect: ??



Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

She said she saw him in so much pain, he would have cold sweats, grow pale, and couldn’t see or think clearly when this happened.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Rowe said she would ask Jackson about his pain on a 1-10 scale, and he would get scared if his pain approached reached level 3.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

She said she wanted to make sure her friend was OK, but it wasn’t part of her job to accompany him to treatments outside of Klein’s office.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Rowe began to break down as Chang asked her to describe her helping Jackson during his medical treatments.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

In the end, the keloids got “even thicker and lumpier.” Rowe said another surgery wasn't an option.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

The aim was to get one keloid to contend with on Jackson’s scalp, but it wasn’t successful, Rowe said. It fell apart in 1996 or 1997.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

That’s why Jackson had to have an implant placed under his scalp to expand the skin. That was done by Dr. Gordon Sasaki.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

After the treatments on Jackson, there wasn't enough skin for plastic surgeon Steven Hoefflin to do a scalp reduction.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

“It’s horribly painful,” Rowe said. She said in some treatments, you can hear the skin popping while the medication is administered.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Keloid tissue is very hard and dense and it requires regular injections to treat. She said an air gun is used for some of the treatments.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Rowe said keloids are extremely painful. On Jackson, they started “mid-scalp and went back to the crown,” she said.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

A couple photos were shown. None of the pictures Chang showed Rowe to demonstrate medical conditions were of Jackson.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

She then explained that Jackson had keloids, a series of lumpy bumps on his skin that sometimes happen to burn victims.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Rowe was also complementary of Hoefflin’s skills as a plastic surgeon when he first treated Jackson.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

“He was almost phobic about needles,” Chang asked. “No, he was phobic,” Rowe replied.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Chang asked Rowe a few questions about Metzger. She told the jury Metzger was the best man at her and Jackson’s wedding in 1996.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

... from a rheumatologist (Dr. Allan Metzger) and a dermatologist, (Dr. Arnold Klein.) Both got extra training in their respective fields.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Rowe explained to the jury why Jackson needed two doctors to treat his discoid lupus. She said it needed treatment ... (cont)
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

“As busy as he was, he wasn’t the best person to think about and organize and keep track of his medical care,” Rowe said.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Jackson found her honesty refreshing, Rowe said. She began to accompany him to medical appointments to put him at ease, watch out for him.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Rowe noted she wasn’t a Michael Jackson fan when they met and she told him so. “I apparently have no filter, as my daughter says,” she said.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Rowe was she and Jackson talked about everything, and that he didn’t want to burden his mother with specifics about his conditions.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Background on the reference to the Elephant Man can be found here: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/184406/Elephant-Man …
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Rowe was asked whether Jackson compared himself to the Elephant Man. She said he did.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

“He was worried that people would see the disease and the disfigurement before they would see him working,” Rowe said.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Chang: “He felt disfigured?” Yes, Rowe replied. Chang asked if Jackson felt embarrassed. Rowe said he did feel embarrassed.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

She said any one of Jackson’s conditions would have been difficult for a person to deal with, but MJ had to deal with it in the public eye.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Rowe, on her role of accompanying Jackson to procedures: “I didn’t want him to feel as hopeless as he felt and as helpless as he felt.”
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Chang then asked about the burns to Jackson’s scalp that occurred during the Pepsi commercial shoot.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Vitiligo was one of the reasons that Jackson sought frequent treatment from Dr. Klein, Rowe said.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Jackson, in consultation with Dr. Klein, opted to de-pigment all of his skin, Rowe said.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

She said it became clear that Jackson’s vitiligo wasn’t going to go away at some point, and it caused him tremendous anxiety.

Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Rowe said vitiligo was harder to treat in people with darker skin, and explained that the skin lightening can come and go.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Through photos, she explained to the jury what vitiligo, discoid lupus looked like and their effects.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Much of Rowe’s early testimony was explaining the medical conditions Jackson suffered from.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Rowe started out being questioned by Deborah Chang, one of Katherine Jackson’s attorneys.


There something very odd about 4 and 6 july performances too,when he did History tour  :suspect: :suspect:.Why they spoke specifically about Munich ,july 1997  :suspect: ?? Cause there is a video or 2 with him, Debbie, and Prince ,and he looks perfectly fine to me.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAxwOY5U680[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtsvQJYRneM[/youtube]


Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h
Rowe said she told Jackson and he was so excited, he ran onto the tarmac of the airport where they were filming “Ghost.”
Expand

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Chang then showed a photo of Jackson, in makeup for his short film “Ghost,” riding on the back of her Harley-Davidson motorcycle.

Debbie said that Mike compared himself with Elephant man and that felt embarrassed,because of his skin condition  :'(.“He was worried that people would see the disease and the disfigurement before they would see him working,” Rowe said.Now there is something that I don't understand  :suspect: .Michael was a VERY BEAUTIFUL man,instead he saw himself UGLY   :icon_e_confused:?? Acording to Debbie,because of Pepsi burn, Michael had keloids problems and during 1996-1997 all felled apart .Michael's video Ghost was filmed in 1996 and he looked fine,more than fine I have to say  :LolLolLolLol:  lol,during that time.Let's see how creative,beautiful ,palyful ,funny  :icon_lol: :icon_lol: and full of life Mike was then.He never changed ,he was the same Michael that we saw in Dangerous,Bad and Thriller era. :icon_cool: :

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY9om_4hOwM[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqaL7WY9SkI[/youtube]

How convenient that now ,we have Debbie speak about Ghost and Michael's horrible situation during that time ,and 1 or 2 days before,someone leaks videos with him,from Making of Ghost, looking more than fine  :icon_geek: .
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on August 16, 2013, 07:14:43 AM
Genevieve Jackson(Randy daughter) talks to Piers Morgan Paris Jackson's "Life is rough"

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8jt9Ly--rk[/youtube]

Genevieve dear ,why are you laughing  :icon_question:  :suspect:  :icon_lol:  ?? With whom are you speaking exactly :icon_eek:  ?? Listen and watch everything that is around them  :suspect: ? Listen and watch and pay attention to WHAT exactly  :icon_eek: :icon_eek: :icon_eek:  :icon_lol:   ??
Well,Genevieve I will stay strong and positive ,that's for sure ,cause lately alot of very,very strange this are going on .....not to lol  :LolLolLolLol: !!!!!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on August 16, 2013, 11:24:06 AM
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Guys take a look at these tweets:


Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 3h

Jackson’s body was kept for several weeks at the cemetery after his death, and he’s interred at another Forest Lawn cemetery.

    Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 3h

    One place where he took Rowe was Forest Lawn Hollywood Hills, where they looked at the sculptures and artwork in peace.   
       
    5:05 PM - 15 Aug 13 · Details

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 3h

There were very few places where Jackson could go in public and not be mobbed or noticed, she said.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 3h

... Rowe said Jackson called up Gregory Peck to answer questions about the film. “Michael was tickled,” she said.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 3h

Rowe hadn’t seen “To Kill a Mockingbird,” so Jackson called her one time when it was on TV. They didn’t know what a word meant, so ...(cont)

Please read the rest of the tweets too there's a lot of info. there.

Thank you very much for this,very intresting and very hoaxy indeed  :icon_eek:  :suspect:  ;) .
What aboot vitiligo,Elephant man and Munich part   :suspect: ??



Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

She said she saw him in so much pain, he would have cold sweats, grow pale, and couldn’t see or think clearly when this happened.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Rowe said she would ask Jackson about his pain on a 1-10 scale, and he would get scared if his pain approached reached level 3.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

She said she wanted to make sure her friend was OK, but it wasn’t part of her job to accompany him to treatments outside of Klein’s office.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Rowe began to break down as Chang asked her to describe her helping Jackson during his medical treatments.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

In the end, the keloids got “even thicker and lumpier.” Rowe said another surgery wasn't an option.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

The aim was to get one keloid to contend with on Jackson’s scalp, but it wasn’t successful, Rowe said. It fell apart in 1996 or 1997.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

That’s why Jackson had to have an implant placed under his scalp to expand the skin. That was done by Dr. Gordon Sasaki.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

After the treatments on Jackson, there wasn't enough skin for plastic surgeon Steven Hoefflin to do a scalp reduction.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

“It’s horribly painful,” Rowe said. She said in some treatments, you can hear the skin popping while the medication is administered.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Keloid tissue is very hard and dense and it requires regular injections to treat. She said an air gun is used for some of the treatments.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Rowe said keloids are extremely painful. On Jackson, they started “mid-scalp and went back to the crown,” she said.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

A couple photos were shown. None of the pictures Chang showed Rowe to demonstrate medical conditions were of Jackson.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

She then explained that Jackson had keloids, a series of lumpy bumps on his skin that sometimes happen to burn victims.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Rowe was also complementary of Hoefflin’s skills as a plastic surgeon when he first treated Jackson.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

“He was almost phobic about needles,” Chang asked. “No, he was phobic,” Rowe replied.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Chang asked Rowe a few questions about Metzger. She told the jury Metzger was the best man at her and Jackson’s wedding in 1996.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

... from a rheumatologist (Dr. Allan Metzger) and a dermatologist, (Dr. Arnold Klein.) Both got extra training in their respective fields.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Rowe explained to the jury why Jackson needed two doctors to treat his discoid lupus. She said it needed treatment ... (cont)
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

“As busy as he was, he wasn’t the best person to think about and organize and keep track of his medical care,” Rowe said.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Jackson found her honesty refreshing, Rowe said. She began to accompany him to medical appointments to put him at ease, watch out for him.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Rowe noted she wasn’t a Michael Jackson fan when they met and she told him so. “I apparently have no filter, as my daughter says,” she said.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Rowe was she and Jackson talked about everything, and that he didn’t want to burden his mother with specifics about his conditions.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Background on the reference to the Elephant Man can be found here: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/184406/Elephant-Man …
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Rowe was asked whether Jackson compared himself to the Elephant Man. She said he did.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

“He was worried that people would see the disease and the disfigurement before they would see him working,” Rowe said.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Chang: “He felt disfigured?” Yes, Rowe replied. Chang asked if Jackson felt embarrassed. Rowe said he did feel embarrassed.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

She said any one of Jackson’s conditions would have been difficult for a person to deal with, but MJ had to deal with it in the public eye.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Rowe, on her role of accompanying Jackson to procedures: “I didn’t want him to feel as hopeless as he felt and as helpless as he felt.”
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Chang then asked about the burns to Jackson’s scalp that occurred during the Pepsi commercial shoot.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Vitiligo was one of the reasons that Jackson sought frequent treatment from Dr. Klein, Rowe said.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Jackson, in consultation with Dr. Klein, opted to de-pigment all of his skin, Rowe said.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

She said it became clear that Jackson’s vitiligo wasn’t going to go away at some point, and it caused him tremendous anxiety.

Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Rowe said vitiligo was harder to treat in people with darker skin, and explained that the skin lightening can come and go.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Through photos, she explained to the jury what vitiligo, discoid lupus looked like and their effects.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Much of Rowe’s early testimony was explaining the medical conditions Jackson suffered from.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Rowe started out being questioned by Deborah Chang, one of Katherine Jackson’s attorneys.


There something very odd about 4 and 6 july performances too,when he did History tour  :suspect: :suspect:.Why they spoke specifically about Munich ,july 1997  :suspect: ?? Cause there is a video or 2 with him, Debbie, and Prince ,and he looks perfectly fine to me.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAxwOY5U680[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtsvQJYRneM[/youtube]


Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h
Rowe said she told Jackson and he was so excited, he ran onto the tarmac of the airport where they were filming “Ghost.”
Expand

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Chang then showed a photo of Jackson, in makeup for his short film “Ghost,” riding on the back of her Harley-Davidson motorcycle.

Debbie said that Mike compared himself with Elephant man and that felt embarrassed,because of his skin condition  :'(.“He was worried that people would see the disease and the disfigurement before they would see him working,” Rowe said.Now there is something that I don't understand  :suspect: .Michael was a VERY BEAUTIFUL man,instead he saw himself UGLY   :icon_e_confused:?? Acording to Debbie,because of Pepsi burn, Michael had keloids problems and during 1996-1997 all felled apart .Michael's video Ghost was filmed in 1996 and he looked fine,more than fine I have to say  :LolLolLolLol:  lol,during that time.Let's see how creative,beautiful ,palyful ,funny  :icon_lol: :icon_lol: and full of life Mike was then.He never changed ,he was the same Michael that we saw in Dangerous,Bad and Thriller era. :icon_cool: :

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY9om_4hOwM[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqaL7WY9SkI[/youtube]

How convenient that now ,we have Debbie speak about Ghost and Michael's horrible situation during that time ,and 1 or 2 days before,someone leaks videos with him,from Making of Ghost, looking more than fine  :icon_geek: .

ok am i the only one who sort of feels like she is egging it on? like he and ( it looks like security ) are ready to real it in and she wants to keep going?  :icon_e_confused:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on August 16, 2013, 02:04:12 PM
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Bravo Bec! Not even gonna try and add to your comments.

+ 1
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on August 16, 2013, 02:08:01 PM
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It is simple n completely plausible, thanks UYI, I think so anyway. Honestly, it's the only explanation that makes any sense at all. In the same way the latest hit movie spins off into all sorts of products; dolls, games, books, lunch boxes, t-shirts, the Jackson's wrote books to supplement MJ's project. What's wrong with that? You don't think going on a live set and sticking to a script n a character through an entire interview isn't work? Good lord, talk about the hot seat. That is indeed working for a living and anyone who thinks it's mooching off MJ ought to give it a try themselves and see how well they do. These are oscar worthy performances.

And honestly, we aren't going to disparage the Jackson Family here anymore. It's expressly against the rules, not to mention the mission statement of this website.

+1
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on August 16, 2013, 02:22:30 PM
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Guys take a look at these tweets:


Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 3h

Jackson’s body was kept for several weeks at the cemetery after his death, and he’s interred at another Forest Lawn cemetery.

    Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 3h

    One place where he took Rowe was Forest Lawn Hollywood Hills, where they looked at the sculptures and artwork in peace.   
       
    5:05 PM - 15 Aug 13 · Details

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 3h

There were very few places where Jackson could go in public and not be mobbed or noticed, she said.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 3h

... Rowe said Jackson called up Gregory Peck to answer questions about the film. “Michael was tickled,” she said.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 3h

Rowe hadn’t seen “To Kill a Mockingbird,” so Jackson called her one time when it was on TV. They didn’t know what a word meant, so ...(cont)

Please read the rest of the tweets too there's a lot of info. there.

Thank you very much for this,very intresting and very hoaxy indeed  :icon_eek:  :suspect:  ;) .
What aboot vitiligo,Elephant man and Munich part   :suspect: ??



Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

She said she saw him in so much pain, he would have cold sweats, grow pale, and couldn’t see or think clearly when this happened.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Rowe said she would ask Jackson about his pain on a 1-10 scale, and he would get scared if his pain approached reached level 3.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

She said she wanted to make sure her friend was OK, but it wasn’t part of her job to accompany him to treatments outside of Klein’s office.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Rowe began to break down as Chang asked her to describe her helping Jackson during his medical treatments.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

In the end, the keloids got “even thicker and lumpier.” Rowe said another surgery wasn't an option.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

The aim was to get one keloid to contend with on Jackson’s scalp, but it wasn’t successful, Rowe said. It fell apart in 1996 or 1997.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

That’s why Jackson had to have an implant placed under his scalp to expand the skin. That was done by Dr. Gordon Sasaki.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

After the treatments on Jackson, there wasn't enough skin for plastic surgeon Steven Hoefflin to do a scalp reduction.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

“It’s horribly painful,” Rowe said. She said in some treatments, you can hear the skin popping while the medication is administered.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Keloid tissue is very hard and dense and it requires regular injections to treat. She said an air gun is used for some of the treatments.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Rowe said keloids are extremely painful. On Jackson, they started “mid-scalp and went back to the crown,” she said.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

A couple photos were shown. None of the pictures Chang showed Rowe to demonstrate medical conditions were of Jackson.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

She then explained that Jackson had keloids, a series of lumpy bumps on his skin that sometimes happen to burn victims.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Rowe was also complementary of Hoefflin’s skills as a plastic surgeon when he first treated Jackson.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

“He was almost phobic about needles,” Chang asked. “No, he was phobic,” Rowe replied.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Chang asked Rowe a few questions about Metzger. She told the jury Metzger was the best man at her and Jackson’s wedding in 1996.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

... from a rheumatologist (Dr. Allan Metzger) and a dermatologist, (Dr. Arnold Klein.) Both got extra training in their respective fields.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Rowe explained to the jury why Jackson needed two doctors to treat his discoid lupus. She said it needed treatment ... (cont)
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

“As busy as he was, he wasn’t the best person to think about and organize and keep track of his medical care,” Rowe said.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Jackson found her honesty refreshing, Rowe said. She began to accompany him to medical appointments to put him at ease, watch out for him.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Rowe noted she wasn’t a Michael Jackson fan when they met and she told him so. “I apparently have no filter, as my daughter says,” she said.
Expand
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h

Rowe was she and Jackson talked about everything, and that he didn’t want to burden his mother with specifics about his conditions.
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Background on the reference to the Elephant Man can be found here: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/184406/Elephant-Man …
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Rowe was asked whether Jackson compared himself to the Elephant Man. She said he did.
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“He was worried that people would see the disease and the disfigurement before they would see him working,” Rowe said.
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Chang: “He felt disfigured?” Yes, Rowe replied. Chang asked if Jackson felt embarrassed. Rowe said he did feel embarrassed.
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She said any one of Jackson’s conditions would have been difficult for a person to deal with, but MJ had to deal with it in the public eye.
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Rowe, on her role of accompanying Jackson to procedures: “I didn’t want him to feel as hopeless as he felt and as helpless as he felt.”
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Chang then asked about the burns to Jackson’s scalp that occurred during the Pepsi commercial shoot.
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Vitiligo was one of the reasons that Jackson sought frequent treatment from Dr. Klein, Rowe said.
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Jackson, in consultation with Dr. Klein, opted to de-pigment all of his skin, Rowe said.
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She said it became clear that Jackson’s vitiligo wasn’t going to go away at some point, and it caused him tremendous anxiety.

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Rowe said vitiligo was harder to treat in people with darker skin, and explained that the skin lightening can come and go.
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Through photos, she explained to the jury what vitiligo, discoid lupus looked like and their effects.
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Much of Rowe’s early testimony was explaining the medical conditions Jackson suffered from.
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Rowe started out being questioned by Deborah Chang, one of Katherine Jackson’s attorneys.


There something very odd about 4 and 6 july performances too,when he did History tour  :suspect: :suspect:.Why they spoke specifically about Munich ,july 1997  :suspect: ?? Cause there is a video or 2 with him, Debbie, and Prince ,and he looks perfectly fine to me.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAxwOY5U680[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtsvQJYRneM[/youtube]


Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 10h
Rowe said she told Jackson and he was so excited, he ran onto the tarmac of the airport where they were filming “Ghost.”
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Chang then showed a photo of Jackson, in makeup for his short film “Ghost,” riding on the back of her Harley-Davidson motorcycle.

Debbie said that Mike compared himself with Elephant man and that felt embarrassed,because of his skin condition  :'(.“He was worried that people would see the disease and the disfigurement before they would see him working,” Rowe said.Now there is something that I don't understand  :suspect: .Michael was a VERY BEAUTIFUL man,instead he saw himself UGLY   :icon_e_confused:?? Acording to Debbie,because of Pepsi burn, Michael had keloids problems and during 1996-1997 all felled apart .Michael's video Ghost was filmed in 1996 and he looked fine,more than fine I have to say  :LolLolLolLol:  lol,during that time.Let's see how creative,beautiful ,palyful ,funny  :icon_lol: :icon_lol: and full of life Mike was then.He never changed ,he was the same Michael that we saw in Dangerous,Bad and Thriller era. :icon_cool: :

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY9om_4hOwM[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqaL7WY9SkI[/youtube]

How convenient that now ,we have Debbie speak about Ghost and Michael's horrible situation during that time ,and 1 or 2 days before,someone leaks videos with him,from Making of Ghost, looking more than fine  :icon_geek: .

ok am i the only one who sort of feels like she is egging it on? like he and ( it looks like security ) are ready to real it in and she wants to keep going?  :icon_e_confused:

What do you mean   :icon_question: ??
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on August 16, 2013, 02:55:08 PM
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Bec, but isn't "a very good reason" the base of this whole hoax? This hoax is absolutely not for entertainment purposes only and i do believe that MJ wants to make us and the whole world realize some things (not a "personal crusade" but a much larger thing such as how the music industry treats the artists, Illuminati connexion etc etc as i'm pretty much certain that MJ's not pulling this hoax out only for some selfish purposes) that are usually ignored by the general public. Exposing "a very good reason" after bam is imo what will get the attention of people all around the world (with the exception of some people such as our grandparents lol) and what will have a massive effect on how MJ will be seen (his true genius will have to be recognized, even though, i agree with you, haters still gonna hate). Without that reason, bam, and the hoax are somehow pointless and if there is a come-back, then MJ might have some serious problems as people will feel betrayed (especially fans) even though everything in the hoax was legal. But if MJ has a "good reason" then not only will he get the people's attention (as i believe we (believers) won't be the only ones to care) but also revealing his magnificent hoax and its purposes he'll be able to explain his not 100% moral/legal proceedings (and don't get me wrong, I do not believe there are many of such things in this hoax but while he may be clean with the law, there will always be people claiming that this or that shouldn't have been done etc). If you want to expose someone, you just cannot be 100% nice to that person, especially when it is part of a larger operation (we were talking about the FBI involvement, stings etc)... If MJ has some important people on his side, i believe that nothing is impossible. While Murray's trial had fake written all over it, this one has always been a lot different to me, much more serious (maybe bcs we don't have live video coverage and can't see all the toys in the room lol). The fact that Katherine is directly involved bothers me a lot bcs somehow i do not believe that MJ would like his mum to be in court everyday and listen to horrible things being said about his son, whether he's dead or not, for hoax/entertainment purposes only... So imo he has to have some very good reasons to even let this trial begin. So i think that there has to be a real purpose for this trial (that may be half fake but not completely) and i have no real idea what this purpose is but i believe it will be part of the "very good reason" for this hoax and that it will be revealed after bam.
That being said, I have no real clue what's going on so i just wait...  :smiley-vault-misc-150:  :LolLolLolLol:


Wrongful Death

attitude negligent

attitude neglect

 intentional attitude


All of this supposedly do Murray




Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on August 16, 2013, 04:41:16 PM
You're welcome Applehead. I had not seen the two making of ghost videos you posted. They were just released recently? Yes, he does look very healthy.

With all of the witnesses that have testified so far in this trial, I found myself having to sift through the tweets to figure out the truth from the lies.  Not all of the witnesses are being truthful, and the ones who are being truthful, are not telling the whole truth.......... the truth seems to be hidden very deep and it is getting to be very hard to get to.
 
One theme that seems to be predominant and recurring throughout this trial, from the very beginning,  is the total and complete vindication of Michael Jackson from everything that the Media and tabloid ASSociates have wrongfully accused him of .................
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on August 16, 2013, 09:06:12 PM
Well when does that vindication part start then? Cuz all I hear is drugs drugs drugs n more drugs.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on August 16, 2013, 11:23:24 PM
@applehead .... the hanging around at the window ...... showing the baby to the fans ect.   thought this was someone who didn't like the attention. :icon_e_confused:  a little confusinging.  maybe i am reading it wrong.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on August 17, 2013, 03:13:05 AM
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@applehead .... the hanging around at the window ...... showing the baby to the fans ect.   thought this was someone who didn't like the attention. :icon_e_confused:  a little confusinging.  maybe i am reading it wrong.

OH now I understand  ;) ,thank you  :bearhug: .
Well you know ,when it comes to MJ ,everything is blurred.........that's how a mind of a GENIUs works !!!!
Regarding the confusion, I was confused at first as well, but now ......nope  :icon_geek: .Michael LIVES for ATTENTION and for CONTROVERSY ,that's for 100 % certain now .....at least for me .Like Genevieve told Pierce Morgan yesterday..........LISTEN and WATCH everything that is around you,PAY ATTENTION ,especially at that Circus that is called Trial lol  :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: !!!!!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on August 17, 2013, 02:19:31 PM
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@applehead .... the hanging around at the window ...... showing the baby to the fans ect.   thought this was someone who didn't like the attention. :icon_e_confused:  a little confusinging.  maybe i am reading it wrong.

That gesture is the only reproach I can make to Michael IMO.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on August 17, 2013, 05:01:01 PM
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Bravo Bec! Not even gonna try and add to your comments.

+ 1


Agree.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on August 17, 2013, 07:43:05 PM
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Well when does that vindication part start then? Cuz all I hear is drugs drugs drugs n more drugs.

These are just some of the more recent tweets from the trial that helped with my decision, even though this trial may be a joke at times it seems to be very serious at other times.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 14 Aug

"These idiots were going back and forth all the time and not caring about him," Rowe said.
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Putnam: What was your concern with Dr. Hoefflin? Rowe: Overprescribing medications.
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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 14 Aug

"His sensitivity to pain was off the charts at this time," Rowe explained.
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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 14 Aug

He didn't want to wear the hairpiece, Rowe said. They were going in and having balloon expansion surgery every week.
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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 14 Aug

Rowe said that after the burn, his scalp had scars and, because he was black, he developed keloid, thickening, painful scars.
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 14 Aug

"Klein was not doing what was the best for Michael," Rowe testified.
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 14 Aug

Rowe begins to cry. "Michael respected doctors tremendously that they went to school and studied. And meant no harm," Rowe said, crying.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1 Aug

"Because we live in a world, unfortunately, that headlines created a perception. And that hurts endorsement deals," Briggs said.
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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1 Aug

Strong asked why Briggs mentioned the molestation trial if MJ had been acquitted.
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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1 Aug

Briggs: The unfortunate perception in the media, it had nothing to do whether he did it or not.
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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 1 Aug

The perception that MJ had debts could infringe his ability to, for example, go to Citibank, ask money for the tour, Briggs said

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 31 Jul

Bina: It doesn't matter whether MJ was in debt (for endorsement), but the negative perception he was in debt was sufficient.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 1 Aug

Briggs acknowledged that the IRS' assessment for Jackson's share of the Sony-ATV catalog was $100-$300 million more than MJ's debt.
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Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 1 Aug

Panish questioned Briggs about a meeting with the IRS, which got its own assessment on the value of MJ’s interest in the Sony-ATV catalog.

I don't have a twitter account but I still read these tweets from ABC7 Court News and Anthony McCartney every day since just like you and everyone else here I want the truth to come out about Michael.

Here are the two links for the two twitter accounts in case you may want to read:
https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts
https://twitter.com/mccartneyAP
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on August 17, 2013, 11:17:55 PM
But that's just to us, and a few other geeks like us, and we already know this stuff. All the rest of the world hears is drugs n molestation. For months now.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: use_your_illusion on August 18, 2013, 04:32:30 AM
Even though this trial is about drugs and wrongful death, I feel that the purpose of this trial is none of these things.

Of course it is not wrongful death because MJ isn't dead and I don't think it is about drugs either because everyone knows what drugs can do...we all know how doctors push it for money and we know doctors give it because 'you just don't say no to celebrities'.

Do you think this trial will accomplish any real significance in the pharmaceutical industry? I don't. MJ has spoken about so many issues in his songs and in his interviews that people have listened (in large part due to his death). Everyone is also already aware of the issues of drugs and doctors because of celebrity deaths, the abuse of drugs by celebrities and rehab. I just see it as a waste of time if MJ's aim was this. Not saying that it isn't (maybe a little part of it is, and it has to be, MJ died because of doctor incompetency and dependency on drugs) but it doesn't seem likely.

What is between the lines or can we not see any of it? I'm sure if it is some kind of sting (which I don't believe in either) or just some other issue, then we would be able to see at least an inkling of it. This trial is actually kind of a joke when you think about it. It really doesn't amount to much more than a circus.

I really don't think this trial is about drugs, vindication, doctors or AEG. MJ's death pretty much took care of highlighting the issues of drugs and molestation. People either listened and moved on or others just couldn't care less, and I don't think that will change with this trial. People aren't really paying attention to the trial except for hoaxers and MJ fans. Some people don't even know there is a trial on. So who is it really for?

Why is this trial even on? Maybe we're going to have to go back to the past. When planning this hoax why did he pick AEG? Why did he pick Murray? I mean we know that TII was never going to happen and that it was a set up for the hoax . But what is MJ's target here?

Just some thoughts, I'm not even going to bother to try and guess.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on August 18, 2013, 05:12:24 AM
UYI - I agree. Who is this trial for, since very few even know it's going on?  And what is it's purpose?  Like you, I've given up guessing!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Thriller4ever on August 18, 2013, 09:09:52 AM
we are at this point where we don't have any prominent info even to try guessing. We are only hanging on to 'faith'.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on August 18, 2013, 11:53:25 AM
When I read the court tweets throughout the day, the conclusion I come to is that it is about righting all of the wrong accusations that the media has brought against Michael all of his life.  They have covered everything from the very beginning of the trial and the trial isn't over yet. 
UYI, I think it is not just one subject (like the pain medications) but a combination of everything that the media has wrongfully flung in Michael's face his whole life.
During the trial they touched on the fact that Michael wasn't strange at all as the media portrayed him to be, he was/is an excellent father (they even showed photos, video and handwritten notes) and a very normal, humble, kind and very bright human being. 
It was just recently discussed and proven in court that: "Briggs acknowledged that the IRS' assessment for Jackson's share of the Sony-ATV catalog was $100-$300 million more than MJ's debt." Even the IRS was involved to once again disprove another misinformation about Michael being in debt when he "died".

And so on, you guys already know the rest.  I think it was bec who mentioned in one of her previous posts that since everyone has their own lives, struggles, heartaches that it is really difficult to keep up/follow with other people's problems, people don't have time to or don't want to be bothered with what's going on with Michael Jackson..........  And I believe this may be exactly why this trial is going on.  I mean twitter is very public,  people from all over the world are using it and connecting with others.  May be this is also why Front opened a twitter account just when the trial started and is getting a lot of followers from all over the world.

P.S. In the trial, they even covered the Pepsi accident and the stage accident that hurt his back severely, concluding that he needed pain medication for them.  Debbie took so much time explaining in detail with photos what was going on with Michael's scalp, the swelling, the stretching of the skin and the excruciating pain that went along with all that.
Even the elephant man was mentioned and debunked. 

"Bina: It doesn't matter whether MJ was in debt (for endorsement), but the negative perception he was in debt was sufficient."

Panish and his witnesses took great care to debunk in detail everything negative and wrongful that the media had accused Michael of by proving in this trial that the negative perception the media creates about an artist/entertainer is all it takes and the media knows this..................





Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Thriller4ever on August 18, 2013, 01:48:55 PM
the question is how many people are actually aware, as UYI said...apart from the MJFam. I don't see any purpose of this trial, it can't be sting....i mean sting on whom? and i believe KJ and AEG both know MJ hoaxed his death.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on August 18, 2013, 04:32:40 PM
There are more guests reading and following this forum than there are members, which means even though the number of members are not great, there are a lot more people that read here who may or may not believe in the hoax but are probably curious and interested in getting more info. that they alone otherwise won't be able to get on their own.  Twitter is probably the quickest social media site where one can get a very large number of worldwide followers/supporters in a very short period of time. There are also twice or may be more number of people who do not open a twitter account but just read (like myself).

I find it extremely curious as to why Front opened a twitter account the same time as the trial started........

It is my personal opinion that AEG is not in the hoax.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on August 18, 2013, 04:33:27 PM
Agree with you  Thriller4ever but I don'think that AEG is sure of Michael death hoax.   :icon_e_confused:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: RK on August 18, 2013, 09:59:20 PM
Thought this interview with T-Mez saying Debbie's testimony was like in 2005, ie in favor of plaintiff.... was worth posting.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uIASpglGfE#at=16[/youtube]
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on August 19, 2013, 04:40:28 AM
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Thought this interview with T-Mez saying Debbie's testimony was like in 2005, ie in favor of plaintiff.... was worth posting.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uIASpglGfE#at=16[/youtube]

RK thank you for posting this video  :)
Both Putman and the presenter should take some punches, for all the talk of drugs  :icon_mad:.These people must be stopped at once,because if they don't stop, I'll have to give right to bec  ;) .There is no vindication,because "all I hear is drugs drugs drugs n more drugs".
Lucky us that not alot of people look at this trial lol, many of them don't even know that there is a lawsuit pending.For example, people that are close to me,do not even know anything about it, they don't even care about it.But when it comes to believe something about MJ, unfortunately they believe what the NEWS say  :icon_rolleyes: :icon_mad:.
Bravo to Tom Mesereau,because Michael really is the greatest superstar on the planet,and a genius in every field of entertainment.
The presenter has however right in one respect: we are in the 70-th day of trial......what the heck is dragging on so long  :suspect:  :icon_lol: :icon_lol: ?? I mean just look at what Genevieve had to say to Pierce Morgan about AEG trial ,THE TRUTH and  THE JUSTICE . Since 2009,these Jacksons have a strange way to drag ,THE TRUTH to come out lol  :LolLolLolLol: .Soon ,very very soon we will found out THE TRUTH and nothing but THE TRUTH lol  :icon_lol: .The way she laughs, tells me she knows more than we believe .


MORGAN: What -- what would you like to happen from this trial? What would the Jackson family -- what would Paris and Michael's other children -- what does everybody want to happen here?

JACKSON: Have justice.

MORGAN: And then what would you see justice as being?

JACKSON: For the truth to come out and it is coming out.

MORGAN: What do you believe the truth is?

JACKSON: I don't even want to get there. But yes, I don't want to touch that situation. But I do believe there's more -- it's deeper than what it is.
   :suspect:  :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol:


MORGAN: I mean, Kathryn said to me unequivocally that, you know, the family believes that Michael Jackson was killed by Conrad Murray...

JACKSON: Yes.

MORGAN: ...and the -- the promoters acted in really bad faith...

JACKSON: Yes.

MORGAN: ...they put this guy in and he took Michael's life.

JACKSON: Yes.

MORGAN: That's what the family thinks?

JACKSON: Yes, all of us.

MORGAN: Do you think you'll get justice? Do you think the trial is going the right way?

JACKSON: Yes, yes. Yes, the truth always comes out.

MORGAN: Debbie Rowe's evidence has been pretty powerful. Do you know Debbie?

JACKSON: You know, I met her once. She's a...

MORGAN: Quite recently.

JACKSON: ...yes, quite recently, about a month ago. She's -- she's a nice lady and she's funny. She's funny.  :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol:


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uohRQGrp-bo
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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on August 19, 2013, 05:19:23 AM
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You're welcome Applehead. I had not seen the two making of ghost videos you posted. They were just released recently? Yes, he does look very healthy.

With all of the witnesses that have testified so far in this trial, I found myself having to sift through the tweets to figure out the truth from the lies.  Not all of the witnesses are being truthful, and the ones who are being truthful, are not telling the whole truth.......... the truth seems to be hidden very deep and it is getting to be very hard to get to.
 
One theme that seems to be predominant and recurring throughout this trial, from the very beginning,  is the total and complete vindication of Michael Jackson from everything that the Media and tabloid ASSociates have wrongfully accused him of .................

Faithad777 these videos are very fresh and they show a very ,very healty Mike  :icon_cool: . During 1996-1997 show a very healthy,funny and creative,that mean ,the opposite Debbie said in her depo.Two days ago and yesterday, more footage leaked  :bowdown: .

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkOdh_k6wEk[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aLhfTT0c_A[/youtube]

I wonder why now and why he gotta be so cute, tho  :-*?

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/0b69ae9d69571f9050eb43331e4dbe26/tumblr_mrnaiu6Duq1qmgu0ao1_250.gif)(http://31.media.tumblr.com/5067fef26811b7e96a3bc0cd5e096b7d/tumblr_mrnaiu6Duq1qmgu0ao7_250.gif)(http://24.media.tumblr.com/3219d278cd57298ad1e0415c00236286/tumblr_mrnaiu6Duq1qmgu0ao3_250.gif)

He is looking mighty fine, especially in the 2nd video. His mannerisms are so cute, cute, cute!


(http://24.media.tumblr.com/96ab767e961ab4990e80127aac03f46e/tumblr_mpqopxMSTh1rwiv0vo1_400.gif)

I've never seen him so relaxed, since he was such a perfectionist and always working, it's pretty cool to see him just chilling but prankster that he was he wasn't chilling for long :D this video is such a pearl.

7:30 - 8:00 cute and gangsta at the same time

8:55 - 8:58 he looks like this little kid from Jackson 5 beginnings

10:16 - 10:23 hardcore Mikey. sexey.

18:25 - 18:35 you can totally see this little boy smiling, behind this grown up 'mask'  :icon_eek: :icon_cool:.

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on August 19, 2013, 05:35:39 AM
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Agree with you  Thriller4ever but I don'think that AEG is sure of Michael death hoax.   :icon_e_confused:

Well ,at least we know that Katherine Jackson's Attorney, Brian Panish, Acknowledges The Death Hoax .To me, that says it all   :icon_e_wink: !!!!
 :bearhug: to you Blankie !!!




Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on August 20, 2013, 02:51:12 PM
These just in:


 Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 23m
AEG's motion won't be heard until Sept. 5 so that all the lawyers who need to argue it can be present.
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 Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 24m
AEG Live is seeking a dismissal of the case, claiming the plaintiffs haven’t shown enough evidence to send the case to the jury.
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 Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 24m
The judge laid out a schedule on when certain motions will be argued in the next couple weeks. Katherine Jackson wants to amend her lawsuit.


They don't mention what the amendment is yet, may be later they will........................  Very interesting..................
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MaryK on August 20, 2013, 03:25:44 PM
Re: KJ amendment

Saw this on Twitter, from mjjcommunity:

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Jackson's motion for leave to amend
Jackson motion
Jackson lawyers have filed a motion to amend their complaint to add a claim of negligence.
Jackson lawyers state their original complaint first claim was dismissed by the judge because the judge ruled there was no "duty of care". Jackson lawyers argue that the evidence presented has established a duty of care and allege that AEG performed their contractual duties as producer negligently (paragraph 8 of the contract list AEG's duties)
Evidence to show AEG breached its duty
-   Hiring of a physician creating conflict of interest
-   Norm was to decline the hiring request and require MJ hire his own physician
-   Insertion of AEG into negotiations creating conflict of interest
-   Murray’s contract terms written by AEG and giving AEG termination power
-   Demand of $5 Million being a red flag
-   Abrupt drop to $150,000 a month should have raised a red flag that the services were illicit
-   Amount of $150,000 should raised a red flag Murray would be providing drugs to Michael
-   Threat of losing $150,000 would create pressure for Murray
-   AEG’s communications with Murray inferred with patient-doctor relationship
-   Allowed Murray act as MJ’s physician despite red flags
-   Failed to realize the deterioration and halt the production until MJ was assessed by specialists
-   Failed to remove Murray when Michael was deteriorating under his care
-   False statements to Ortega and others
-   Creating pressure for both Michael and Murray with no cancellation insurance to cover the increased production costs
-   Resulted in drastic measures taken by Michael and Murray on June 25th

AEG’s opposition
AEG is opposing the above motion saying that the negligence claim was dismissed during summary judgment and by law it cannot be revisited. AEG specially points out the part in Jacksons motion where they have said they raised the contract issues before.
AEG also argues that everything Jacksons list is actually the same elements of their negligent hiring claim and is not a general negligence claim. They list where some of the above elements were mentioned during summary judgment and state that law states same facts cannot support negligent hiring and general negligence.

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/128731-Katherine-Jackson-vs-AEG-Live-Full-Case-History-Summary/page3?p=3885177&viewfull=1#post3885177 (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/128731-Katherine-Jackson-vs-AEG-Live-Full-Case-History-Summary/page3?p=3885177&viewfull=1#post3885177)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MaryK on August 20, 2013, 03:28:00 PM
Same link, Re: AEG´s motion of nonsuit

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AEG's motion of nonsuit

As Ortega's testimony concluded Jacksons case in chief, AEG has filed a motion for nonsuit - meaning they are claiming Jacksons did not meet burden of proof and case needs to be dismissed. In the alternative (if the whole nonsuit motion is not granted) , AEG is asking for dismissal of individual defendants - Phillips &Gongaware

AEG’s main motion

AEG states Jacksons failed to meet their burden of proof on the negligent hiring claim.

AEG states case law that says in California negligent hiring requires “the contact between plaintiff and employee was generated by the employment relationship” and “if employee met plaintiff as a result of something other than employment, a duty will not be imposed on employer”. AEG states this is the case here and the contact between Michael Jackson and Conrad Murray was not created by the AEG- Murray employment. AEG states it is undisputed that Michael and Murray have met in 2006 and Murray started treating Michael before any relationship between AEG and Murray. AEG also adds that when Michael told AEG he wanted Murray, both Phillips and Gongaware advised Michael to hire a doctor in London but Michael rejected it and continued with Murray. AEG states AEG did not start Michael / Murray relationship and they did not have the power to end it.

AEG continues to state that negligent hiring claim requires Jacksons show that AEG knew or should have known Murray posed a particularrisk to Michael and they hired him nonetheless. AEG states Jacksons failed to show that AEG knew or should have known Murray posed the risk of harming Michael through improper medical care.

AEG states knowledge about Michael’s 93 painkiller addiction and knowledge that Michael appeared ill at times (during 2009) would not put AEG on notice that Murray , a doctor chosen and treated Michael for years ,might kill Michael through an overdose of anesthesia. AEG states even if they discovered what Jacksons state about Murray – debts, judgments, hospital privileges being suspended due to recordkeeping issues- it would not show that Murray would harm Michael through incompetent medical care. AEG states there’s no evidence that Murray harmed a patient before.

AEG states Jacksons failed to demonstrate knowledge and harm. AEG states CA case examples to demonstrate that CA law requires a closer nexus with the knowledge and actual harm. Examples include appeal court rulings of : knowledge an employee used drugs and abused his position to gain sexual favors did not put employer on notice that employee might sexually assault a fellow employee. Another example is knowledge of a priest breaking his celibacy wow and having sex with adult women did not put the church on notice that the priest would molest a minor child. There are other several examples provided.

AEG states there have been never an example that debt makes criminal conduct foreseeable like the Jacksons claim. They state debt does not make a person professionally incompetent. They state there’s no relationship between debt and medical malpractice. AEG also argues that Michael’s thinness or sickness before his death would not put AEG on notice that Murray was harming Michael through improper treatment in his bedroom. AEG states there’s no way from Michael’s symptoms (shivering, obsessive behavior) , AEG could have concluded Murray was administering Michael propofol in his bedroom. AEG states even the people closest to Michael (his children, his chef, his friend of 27 years Karen, Sankey)could not conclude Murray might harm or kill Michael. They state if the people closest to Michael could not conclude this, there’s no way Phillips and Gongaware could come to that conclusion. AEG states there’s no evidence that anyone knew Murray was violating his oath while treating Michael. AEG states Murray and Michael kept propofol a secret from everyone and when the employee (Murray) and the victim (Michael) hide the wrongdoing, the employer (AEG) is not required to uncover it. They cite several cases which says employer cannot be liable about employee’s conduct when no one complained about the conduct.

AEG adds that negligent hiring claim requires it must be something in employee’s (Murray) past that should put the employer (AEG) at notice and victims (Michael) past personal difficulties with drugs cannot be used for required proof of AEG’s knowledge about Murray.

AEG states there has been no evidence to show that AEG knew about Murray’s propofol treatment and even if they did as lay person they weren’t qualified to understand that administration of Propofol at a home setting was improper. AEG cites several cases where corporations weren’t held liable for doctors actions as they cannot evaluate a doctors treatment and control or intrude into a doctor – patient relationship. AEG states it’s the same situation here. AEG states medical boards that grants licenses to doctors have determined Murray to be a fit physician.

AEG also states that Jacksons fail to show that AEG’s conduct was substantial factor in Michael’s death. Law requires AEG’s conduct to be a substantial factor. AEG states Jacksons failed to show that AEG’s alleged hiring of Murray caused Michael’s death. AEG again states that Michael knew Murray since 2006 and Murray had treated Michael since as early as 2006. Jackson lawyers themselves have said that a security guard of Michael introduced him to Murray – not AEG. AEG states Jacksons own evidence shows that AEG got nothing to do with Murray and Michael coming in contact.

AEG adds that there’s evidence that shows Murray was ordering propofol before AEG even heard of him.AEG states Jacksons argued AEG created a conflict of interest between Murray and Michael and that caused Murray to administer propofol but AEG states Jacksons expert testified that Murray ordered propofol before any alleged conflict. Furthermore both Phillips and Gongaware tried to convince Michael to hire a doctor at London and not bring Murray but Michael refused. AEG states Phillips and Gongaware was powerless to separate Michael from his long time doctor Murray. AEG states there’s no relationship between Michael choosing and retaining Murray and anything AEG did. AEG explains that as Michael went to Murray as a doctor without AEG’s involvement (as back as 2006) , as Michael choose to retain Murray against recommendations by AEG, it is only logical to conclude that AEG did not cause Michael to submit to treatment by Murray which caused his death. AEG says this shows nothing AEG did caused harm to Michael and they did not have the power to prevent it.


Alternative motion

In the alternative – if the judge does not grant the above main motion and dismiss the whole case due to not meeting the burden of proof- AEG is asking the judge to remove / dismiss Phillips and Gongaware as defendants.

AEG states the negligent hiring claim puts the liability of the employer and not the employees of the employer. AEG states neither Phillips nor Gongaware employed Murray personally. AEG states even if the judge thinks there’s enough evidence to suggest AEG Live might have hired Murray, there’s nothing to suggest negligent hiring by Phillips and Gongaware as individuals.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Faithad777 on August 20, 2013, 04:11:02 PM
Thanks for the info. and the link MaryK.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on August 20, 2013, 08:54:39 PM
Dr. Patrick Treacy  ‏@peege  12 ago 
Despite what Randy Jackson said in the trial, I never saw MJ with any drugs in his life. Trust me, I knew his #inner

https://twitter.com/peege


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAAr0NKkVSI[/youtube]
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on August 21, 2013, 01:21:27 PM
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Same link, Re: AEG´s motion of nonsuit

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AEG's motion of nonsuit

As Ortega's testimony concluded Jacksons case in chief, AEG has filed a motion for nonsuit - meaning they are claiming Jacksons did not meet burden of proof and case needs to be dismissed. In the alternative (if the whole nonsuit motion is not granted) , AEG is asking for dismissal of individual defendants - Phillips &Gongaware

AEG’s main motion

AEG states Jacksons failed to meet their burden of proof on the negligent hiring claim.

AEG states case law that says in California negligent hiring requires “the contact between plaintiff and employee was generated by the employment relationship” and “if employee met plaintiff as a result of something other than employment, a duty will not be imposed on employer”. AEG states this is the case here and the contact between Michael Jackson and Conrad Murray was not created by the AEG- Murray employment. AEG states it is undisputed that Michael and Murray have met in 2006 and Murray started treating Michael before any relationship between AEG and Murray. AEG also adds that when Michael told AEG he wanted Murray, both Phillips and Gongaware advised Michael to hire a doctor in London but Michael rejected it and continued with Murray. AEG states AEG did not start Michael / Murray relationship and they did not have the power to end it.

AEG continues to state that negligent hiring claim requires Jacksons show that AEG knew or should have known Murray posed a particularrisk to Michael and they hired him nonetheless. AEG states Jacksons failed to show that AEG knew or should have known Murray posed the risk of harming Michael through improper medical care.

AEG states knowledge about Michael’s 93 painkiller addiction and knowledge that Michael appeared ill at times (during 2009) would not put AEG on notice that Murray , a doctor chosen and treated Michael for years ,might kill Michael through an overdose of anesthesia. AEG states even if they discovered what Jacksons state about Murray – debts, judgments, hospital privileges being suspended due to recordkeeping issues- it would not show that Murray would harm Michael through incompetent medical care. AEG states there’s no evidence that Murray harmed a patient before.

AEG states Jacksons failed to demonstrate knowledge and harm. AEG states CA case examples to demonstrate that CA law requires a closer nexus with the knowledge and actual harm. Examples include appeal court rulings of : knowledge an employee used drugs and abused his position to gain sexual favors did not put employer on notice that employee might sexually assault a fellow employee. Another example is knowledge of a priest breaking his celibacy wow and having sex with adult women did not put the church on notice that the priest would molest a minor child. There are other several examples provided.

AEG states there have been never an example that debt makes criminal conduct foreseeable like the Jacksons claim. They state debt does not make a person professionally incompetent. They state there’s no relationship between debt and medical malpractice. AEG also argues that Michael’s thinness or sickness before his death would not put AEG on notice that Murray was harming Michael through improper treatment in his bedroom. AEG states there’s no way from Michael’s symptoms (shivering, obsessive behavior) , AEG could have concluded Murray was administering Michael propofol in his bedroom. AEG states even the people closest to Michael (his children, his chef, his friend of 27 years Karen, Sankey)could not conclude Murray might harm or kill Michael. They state if the people closest to Michael could not conclude this, there’s no way Phillips and Gongaware could come to that conclusion. AEG states there’s no evidence that anyone knew Murray was violating his oath while treating Michael. AEG states Murray and Michael kept propofol a secret from everyone and when the employee (Murray) and the victim (Michael) hide the wrongdoing, the employer (AEG) is not required to uncover it. They cite several cases which says employer cannot be liable about employee’s conduct when no one complained about the conduct.

AEG adds that negligent hiring claim requires it must be something in employee’s (Murray) past that should put the employer (AEG) at notice and victims (Michael) past personal difficulties with drugs cannot be used for required proof of AEG’s knowledge about Murray.

AEG states there has been no evidence to show that AEG knew about Murray’s propofol treatment and even if they did as lay person they weren’t qualified to understand that administration of Propofol at a home setting was improper. AEG cites several cases where corporations weren’t held liable for doctors actions as they cannot evaluate a doctors treatment and control or intrude into a doctor – patient relationship. AEG states it’s the same situation here. AEG states medical boards that grants licenses to doctors have determined Murray to be a fit physician.

AEG also states that Jacksons fail to show that AEG’s conduct was substantial factor in Michael’s death. Law requires AEG’s conduct to be a substantial factor. AEG states Jacksons failed to show that AEG’s alleged hiring of Murray caused Michael’s death. AEG again states that Michael knew Murray since 2006 and Murray had treated Michael since as early as 2006. Jackson lawyers themselves have said that a security guard of Michael introduced him to Murray – not AEG. AEG states Jacksons own evidence shows that AEG got nothing to do with Murray and Michael coming in contact.

AEG adds that there’s evidence that shows Murray was ordering propofol before AEG even heard of him.AEG states Jacksons argued AEG created a conflict of interest between Murray and Michael and that caused Murray to administer propofol but AEG states Jacksons expert testified that Murray ordered propofol before any alleged conflict. Furthermore both Phillips and Gongaware tried to convince Michael to hire a doctor at London and not bring Murray but Michael refused. AEG states Phillips and Gongaware was powerless to separate Michael from his long time doctor Murray. AEG states there’s no relationship between Michael choosing and retaining Murray and anything AEG did. AEG explains that as Michael went to Murray as a doctor without AEG’s involvement (as back as 2006) , as Michael choose to retain Murray against recommendations by AEG, it is only logical to conclude that AEG did not cause Michael to submit to treatment by Murray which caused his death. AEG says this shows nothing AEG did caused harm to Michael and they did not have the power to prevent it.


Alternative motion

In the alternative – if the judge does not grant the above main motion and dismiss the whole case due to not meeting the burden of proof- AEG is asking the judge to remove / dismiss Phillips and Gongaware as defendants.

AEG states the negligent hiring claim puts the liability of the employer and not the employees of the employer. AEG states neither Phillips nor Gongaware employed Murray personally. AEG states even if the judge thinks there’s enough evidence to suggest AEG Live might have hired Murray, there’s nothing to suggest negligent hiring by Phillips and Gongaware as individuals.


Thanks for the info MaryK.

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A nonsuit is often taken by a plaintiff who anticipates a judgment or ruling that "imparts finality" against him, who wants to avoid the adverse judgment and preserve at least the possibility of prevailing on the merits of his case in the future.[6]
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-suit

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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on August 21, 2013, 04:27:49 PM
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Agree with you  Thriller4ever but I don'think that AEG is sure of Michael death hoax.   :icon_e_confused:

Well ,at least we know that Katherine Jackson's Attorney, Brian Panish, Acknowledges The Death Hoax .To me, that says it all   :icon_e_wink: !!!!
 :bearhug: to you Blankie !!!



Agree   :D


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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on August 21, 2013, 09:04:49 PM
so if they acknowledge that there is a hoax does that have to make it michael's
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on August 23, 2013, 08:32:31 AM
(http://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000192817607/e1873cd71f9350d58f2a96523f915864_normal.jpeg)ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21 Aug
Katherine Jackson is not in court today. We're told she won't come back until after Labor Day. She's working on MJ's birthday celebration

So Katherine isn't coming back to court until after Labor Day because she's working on MJ's birthday celebration  :WTF:?? I thought she didn't celebrate birthdays  :icon_rolleyes:? Strange .....cause Labor day is in May  :icon_e_confused:....... whatever  :icon_lol: .
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MaryK on August 23, 2013, 08:44:50 AM
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(http://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000192817607/e1873cd71f9350d58f2a96523f915864_normal.jpeg)ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21 Aug
Katherine Jackson is not in court today. We're told she won't come back until after Labor Day. She's working on MJ's birthday celebration

So Katherine isn't coming back to court until after Labor Day because she's working on MJ's birthday celebration  :WTF:?? I thought she didn't celebrate birthdays  :icon_rolleyes:? Strange cause Labor day is in May....... whatever  :icon_e_confused:

Labor Day is celebrated on the first Monday in September in the USA and Canada, as far as I know.

There´s going to be a birthday celebration in Gary, just like last year I think.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on August 23, 2013, 09:47:26 AM
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(http://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000192817607/e1873cd71f9350d58f2a96523f915864_normal.jpeg)ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21 Aug
Katherine Jackson is not in court today. We're told she won't come back until after Labor Day. She's working on MJ's birthday celebration

So Katherine isn't coming back to court until after Labor Day because she's working on MJ's birthday celebration  :WTF:?? I thought she didn't celebrate birthdays  :icon_rolleyes:? Strange cause Labor day is in May....... whatever  :icon_e_confused:

Labor Day is celebrated on the first Monday in September in the USA and Canada, as far as I know.

There´s going to be a birthday celebration in Gary, just like last year I think.

Aha,thanks for the clarification.It seems that Labor Day is celebrated in May,just in Europe and maybe in other parts. But, in the case of Katherine, herself said that she never celebrates birthdays, that's assuming we include the birthday of her son  :icon_e_confused:  :icon_geek: .
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on September 03, 2013, 03:36:24 PM
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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on September 03, 2013, 08:44:30 PM
AEG contract to this Dr. Earley, and gives a chronology of the addictions of Michael


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Throughout his testimony, Earley was shown a large timeline showing the various times MJ asked for or received propofol in non-med settings.



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One of the instances noted was the time Jackson received propofol in a German hotel room in 1997



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The chart also included four times Jackson sought out propofol for sleep: in 98/99 from Dr. Christine Quinn, in 2002 from Dr. Van Valin ...




[quoteand two instances in 2009 from nurse practitioner Cherilyn Lee and Dr. Allan Metzger][/quote]



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Dr. Earley said Dr. William Van Valin II testified that in 2002, Jackson brought him a box of propofol and asked him to give it to him.


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Earley said this was evidence that Jackson had the drug. Van Valin refused, saying propofol was dangerous, according to the slides
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Snoopy71 on September 06, 2013, 12:34:25 AM
After four months, Michael Jackson wrongful death case nears end

September 5, 2013, 6:00 a.m.




After more than four months of testimony, the Michael Jackson wrongful death case could finally go to the jury later this month.


Court clerk Neli Raya said she expects the case willl be handed to the jury in about 2 1/2 weeks.
 
Marvin Putnam, attorney for AEG Live, has said he expects to rest his case next Friday at the latest. Then each side could call rebuttal witnesses, and attorneys could argue over the instructions the judge will give the 12 jurors who have sat through the marathon.

While jurors have heard from financial experts, AEG executives, doctors and Jackson family members, none of the celebrities on the attorneys witness lists — Prince, Spike Lee, Quincy Jones and Diana Ross among them — have been called to testify.
 
The case revolves around the question of who controlled Dr. Conrad Murray, the cardiologist who administered the fatal dose of the anesthetic propofol to Jackson at the singer’s rented Holmby Hills home on June 25, 2009.
 
Jackson was preparing for a 50-concert comeback in London that was being promoted and produced by AEG. Murray was convicted of involuntary manslaughter and is serving a jail sentence.
 
The Jacksons say that AEG negligently hired and supervised Murray, while AEG says the singer hired him and that any money the entertainment firm was supposed to pay him was an advance.



http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-michael-jackson-case-20130904,0,7515986.story





Why would there be celebrities on the witness list? :suspect:

...and I'm guessing the nonsuit motion was denied?  :icon_e_confused:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: iLoveyoumore on September 06, 2013, 03:06:00 AM
I don't know if I'm happy or sad this will end. Interesting to see who's going to win.
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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on September 06, 2013, 10:04:00 AM
If that is the case, it's ending a little early, not falling in line with Murray's release and 4 year mark. Bummer. Will have to keep watching.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on September 06, 2013, 03:48:08 PM
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I don't know if I'm happy or sad this will end. Interesting to see who's going to win.
 :icon_eek:


This trial could not be eternal  :icon_razz: waiting for see if Michael gives us some clues along with the verdict   :suspect: :moonwalk_:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: marumjj on September 06, 2013, 07:44:24 PM
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If that is the case, it's ending a little early, not falling in line with Murray's release and 4 year mark. Bummer. Will have to keep watching.

also thought about that, and was extended period. Many whispers these last days, Teddy R. going to write a book, Prince wants to marry?
http://www.tmz.com/2009/09/03/mjs-funeral-the-stars-arrive/?adid=center_tmz_history (http://www.tmz.com/2009/09/03/mjs-funeral-the-stars-arrive/?adid=center_tmz_history)

Perhaps the truth have to wait a little more ..
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on September 11, 2013, 06:33:24 PM
Michael’s Mother, Katherine Jackson,Must Testify Again Says AEG Lawyer
September 11, 2013

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Michael’s mother will be called back to testify by AEG Live as its last witness in their defense of Katherine Jackson’s wrongful-death lawsuit on Monday, an AEG Live lawyer said Wednesday. AEG Live lead attorney Marvin Putnam said he would question the 83-year-old Jackson family matriarch “about the absurdity of the damages” she wants the jury to award if they decide the concert promoter is liable in Michael’s death.

A Jackson lawyer argued that AEG Live’s “intent is to show the lawsuit’s purpose is greed,” while the judge suggested that any mother could be expected to say “there is no amount of money that would substitute for the loss of her son.”

Putnam has frequently cited in interviews a “statement of damages” letter sent to him by a Jackson lawyer last year capping possible damages at $40 billion, but the judge ruled that he could not refer to it in court because it was not a sworn filing in the case.

After AEG Live rests its case — which lawyers indicated would happen Monday — the Jackson lawyers would have a chance to call several rebuttal witnesses. Closing arguments in the trial, which began in April, could be heard as soon as next week.

http://www.legendarymichaeljackson.nl/news/michaels-mother-katherine-jackson-must-testify-again-says-aeg-lawyer/?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: RK on September 17, 2013, 12:29:33 PM
By Alan Duke, CNN

Los Angeles (CNN) — AEG Live lawyers changed their mind about calling Katherine Jackson as their last witness in the Michael Jackson wrongful death trial.

Instead, lawyers for the concert promoter may play a portion of Prince Jackson’s video deposition before resting its defense case Wednesday.

The five-month-long trial in Los Angeles is nearing an end, an closing arguments could be delivered on Monday. Testimony, which has been on hold for more than a week because of an illness in one juror’s family, resumes Wednesday.

Jackson’s mother and three children are suing AEG Live, contending that the concert promoter was liable for the pop icon’s death because it hired, retained or supervised the doctor convicted of involuntary manslaughter.

AEG Live argues that Jackson chose and controlled Dr. Conrad Murray and that its executives had no way of knowing about the dangerous treatments he was giving the star in his bedroom.

Jackson died of an overdose of the surgical anesthetic propofol, which Murray told investigators he used to treat the singer’s insomnia so he could rest for comeback concert rehearsals in the summer of 2009.

AEG Live lawyer Marvin Putnam announced in court last week that he intended to call Michael Jackson’s elderly mother to question her “about the absurdity of the damages” she wants the jury to award if they decide the company is liable. Putnam informed the court and Jackson’s lawyers Monday that he had decided not to call her again.

A Jackson lawyer argued that AEG Live’s “intent is to show the lawsuit’s purpose is greed,” while the judge suggested that any mother could be expected to say “there is no amount of money that would substitute for the loss of her son.”

Putnam has frequently cited in interviews a “statement of damages” letter sent to him by a Jackson lawyer last year capping possible damages at $40 billion, but the judge ruled that he could not refer to it in court because it was not a sworn filing in the case.

Jackson lawyer Kevin Boyle pointed out that the lawsuit complaint only says that damages would be “according to proof at trial,” based on testimony by several expert witnesses who have testified.

READ MORE: http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/16/showbiz/michael-jackson-death-trial/
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on September 17, 2013, 05:07:44 PM
This is it...this is the moment... :icon_e_wink:  :moonwalk_:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on September 19, 2013, 01:49:24 PM
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This is it...this is the moment... :icon_e_wink:  :moonwalk_:

Blankie are you a wizard or what  :icon_e_surprised:  ;) ?? Yes my friend,This is it ,cause it seems that after five months, prosecution may show unseen raw TII footage to jurors before closing :omg: !!!

Jackson lawyers said they may show jurors previously unseen raw video of Jackson’s last rehearsals after they call Dr. Metzger to the witness stand Thursday. They said they expect to rest their case at the end of the day.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on September 19, 2013, 05:30:13 PM
Unseen footage???  :icon_e_surprised: After four years !! Thanks for the news apple... Waiting for !!!   :moonwalk_: :suspect:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on September 20, 2013, 06:20:55 PM
This just came in

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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21m
Unless something changes over the weekend, NO MORE WITNESSES in this case!!!!

Unless something changes.... hmm, this sounds like it's not over yet and that there's more to come
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on September 20, 2013, 07:20:16 PM
Around 1:40 pm PT, jurors were escorted by sheriff's department. We're told they had security brief for sequestration during deliberation.

Outside the presence of the jury, Deborah Chang argued she doesn't think it's appropriate for the court to sanction.

Chang gave 38 pages of Debbie Rowe's testimony to Dr. Metzger to read.

Judge had ruled that non-retained expert witnesses should not be given copies of other witnesses' testimony.

Chang: I don't think it was intentional violation of court's order. I believe we acted in good faith Judge: The good faith exception, huh?

Judge then precluded plaintiffs from asking anything related to the issue German doctors and Propofol used to sleep.

Bina: He already testified without the taint of someone else's testimony. Even if she acted in good faith, it irreparably tainted his memory

Bina said she's asking for fair remedy here, which is keep this part out of Dr. Metzger's out.

Cahan said the 38 pages of Rowe's testimony detailed the set up the anesthesiologist in German, logistic, what drugs have been provided.

"There's no other way to fix this other than keep it out," Cahan urged the judge.

Panish: What we did, show him the testimony, is appropriate. Non-retained experts can be refreshed.

"This is about refreshing his recollection with someone else's memory," Bina argued.

Panish: Defense will argue MJ had long history of use of Propofol. The evidence here is that Propofol was used in connection with surgeries.

Bina: We can never get back what Dr. Metzger's memory actually was. Judge: Ok, I'm ready to rule. I'm excluding it

Jurors entered the court at 2:41 pm. Dr. Allan Metzger resumed testimony. Deborah Chang continued the questions.

Chang: Do you recall having a conversation with Paul Gongaware about MJ's inability to sleep? Dr. Metzger: Yes, I do.

No further question. Kathryn Cahan, for AEG, doing cross examination.

Cahan inquired about the time of deposition whether Dr. Metzger had MJ's medical files.

Dr. Metzger: Some of my records were given to my attorney at the time, didn't keep medical records.

There may be an insurance file and one major file, the doctor said. His counsel did not give his medical record prior to his deposition.

Dr. Metzger said that at the time of his deposition, he received a great amount of the file back, but it was out of order and missing pages.

"I told the truth to the best of my ability," Dr. Metzger said about his deposition and his trial testimony.

The doctor said he looked at some of MJ's medical records over the past several days. "I did not look at 26 years of medical records."

Dr. Metzger said he had, in bits and pieces, taken care of other Jackson's family members, including MJ's children

The doctor was very close to MJ and moderately close to the children.

In depo Dr. Metzger's said: Q: And it seems like you also had a very close relationship with Michael's children, correct? A: Yes

Dr. Metzger said he had a moderately close relationship with the children in comparison with his relationship to MJ.

He said there were times the children went to his house for dinner, went to the movies.

Dr. Metzger met Katherine Jackson many years ago, he said. He provided some medical care to her last Summer.

He gave Mrs. Jackson advice about traveling because of her health.

THE KIDNAPPING EVENT

Dr. Metzger: I advised her to fly to Arizona for a concert. I do not know where she was in Arizona, I did not advise her to go to a spa.

"Janet and Randy asked me to evaluate her health," Dr. Metzger said. "I've previously taken care of Janet many years ago."

"I'm well acquainted with the immediate Jackson family and some other members," the doctor said.

"I viewed Michael as a very good friend of mine and I think it was vice-versa," Dr. Metzger testified.

Dr. Metzger said he spoke w/ Chang on the phone about 2 weeks ago and in met her in person with his attorney 2-3 nights ago for an hour.

Doctor said he was out of town from middle of July until mid-Aug. Early July he advised plaintiffs' counsel about his absence.

Dr. Metzger first spoke with plaintiffs' attorneys about testifying back in April or May. He has been subpoenaed.

Dr. Metzger said Chang told him she had an attorney to refer that she thought would suit his needs. She recommended Eric George.

Cahan: Did plaintiffs' counsel help you find an attorney? Dr. Metzger: Yes

Cahan: Are plaintiffs' paying for your attorney in this case? Dr. Metzger: I believe so. C: How much does he charge? Dr. M: I don't know

The doctor said he reached out to Debbie Rowe after seeing in the media that she testified in this case. He wanted to give her some support.

At that time, Rowe also said Eric George was a good attorney. Cahan asked if the doc is charging plaintiffs anything to be here today.

Dr. Metzger: I'll be sending a bill at the end of the trial.

Dr. Metzger: I believe it's reasonable for my time reviewing the records, giving deposition and testimony in this case.

The doctor said he's spent about 6 hours of his time. Cahan asked how much he charges and he said he was not comfortable disclosing his rate

Cahan asked the judge to order him to answer, which judge did. He said he charges approximately $1,000/hour.

"There were no negotiations, I basically said this is my fee and they said ok," Dr. Metzger explained.

As to his attorney, Metzger said he knows there's an arrangement for payment by the plaintiffs and there's also an arrangement between the 2

Cahan: Have you spoken with Jackson's family members about this lawsuit? Dr. Metzger: Basically no

"My recollection I did not speak with any single member of the family about this lawsuit," Dr. Metzger testified.

The doctor said his relationship with Michael Jackson was the closest he has ever had with any patient. He went to Neverland 12-15 times.

He went to MJ's Century City house, saw MJ at Dr. Klein's house and office, saw him in NY, Australia, best man of his wedding to Ms. Rowe.

"He was both," Dr. Metzger said about MJ being a friend and patient. "I always had his best interest at heart."

"I don't believe I ever crossed any ethical boundaries with Michael Jackson," Dr. Metzger said.

The doctor said he understands the Hippocratic Oath to have his patients first, do no harm.

Dr. Metzger: In my view, I always maintained proper boundaries. A lot of physicians would not socialize with patients.

Dr. Metzger: MJ was the most social I was with my patients.

"He really didn't like taking medicine" Metzger said. "I think he needed medicine because he had low pain threshold when undergoing surgery"

YESTERDAY EVEN A HEADACHE WAS IN HIS LIST, TODAY IT WAS ABOUT SURGERY

"He needed it, he didn't take it for joy," Dr. Metzger said.

Dr. Metzger said he believes he never gave MJ Demerol. "Absolutely not," he responded to the question.

Dr. Metzger: At some juncture on that tour (Dangerous), I believe I arranged for Karen, Debbie or security team to bring some medicine to MJ

Cahan: Was that in Aug 1993? Dr. Metzger: I don't recall.

Cahan: Do you remember sending pain medication? Dr. Metzger: Yes, there was some form of pain medication

Cahan: Do you remember sending some Demerol?

Dr. Metzger: I don't personally believe I prescribed MJ Demerol. It could've come from Dr. Klein if it was in the package.

"I don't remember ever writing a prescription for Michael about Demerol," Dr. Metzger explained.

Dr. Metzger admitted he used Karen Faye's name to prescribe medicine for MJ.

"I've done it on rare occasions, almost exclusively for MJ and Janet," Dr. Metzger said.

Cahan: Even though you knew it's illegal? Dr. Metzger: Yes C: Why? Dr. M: To protect their anonymity

Cahan: Have you ever been reprimanded or disciplined for writing prescriptions on someone else's name? Chang asked for a sidebar.

Outside jury's presence there was discussion about Cahan asking if Metzger was reprimanded 4 writing prescription under other people's name

Bina: Dr. Metzger pled no contest to a misdemeanor for misconduct. There's a petition for suspension of Dr. Metzger's medical license.

Bina argued the appropriate remedy should be to strike the question and bar the line of questioning.

Cahan apologized saying she misunderstood the court order. She said she thought it had to do with other patients other than MJ and KJ

Panish: She did it intentionally, was setting him up. It was a premeditated plan. It's not admissible, she severely prejudice this witness

Panish wants an admonition read and wants to be allowed to talk about the German doctors.

Chang argued Cahan did it in bad faith. "The jury is left with the idea that he's a criminal, that he'd do anything for MJ," she said.

"I honestly don't know what to do to fix it," Chang said. "I just want to throw myself on the floor and cry."

Judge will read an instruction to the jury that Cahan's question was improper and they should disregard it or anything implied by it.

Judge admonished Cahan not to ask anything about it.

Dr. Metzger said he travelled to Australia with Debbie Rowe, was there for about 2 weeks. This was HIStory tour.

Dr Metzger never rejoined the tour after he came back to LA. "My schedule and MJ particularly wanted me there for the wedding and Australia"

"He didn't need me and I didn't need to be there," he said. Dr. Metzger recalled treating MJ for mild dehydration while in Australia.

The doc talked about the plan he wrote to help MJ sleep. He said MJ gave permission for him to share plan w/ Rowe, Faye and security guards

"Michael needed to be told what to do," Dr. Metzger said. The plan detailed what to do before flights and after performances.

"He was uncomfortable and a little fearful of flying," Dr. Metzger explained.

Cahan: Did doctor shopping included Mr. Jackson segregating physicians?

Dr. Metzger: Often I'd not hear about other physicians. I'd hear from security or the ladies if it was serious.

"At times, I think he probably did keep things from me because he didn't want me to worry," Dr. Metzger testified.

Dr. Metzger: I always asked him to go thru the hotel, because the hotel had responsibility to hire competent physician.

Cahan: Do you think MJ wanted to keep information from one doctor to another so he could more or less do what he wanted? Dr. Metzger: No

Cahan played video deposition in the insurance company lawsuit where Dr. Metzger said MJ would segregate his doctors.

Dr. Metzger on depo: I think he didn't want to appear he was doctor shopping.

Dr. Metzger: I think he didn't want one medical group to know about another medical group so he could, more or less, do what he wanted.

THE OTHER DR. METAGER

Judge adjourned trial until 10:00 am PT tomorrow for jurors. Attorneys are ordered at 9:30 am PT. Dr. Metzger to resume testimony at 10 am.

PLAN AS OF NOW, ALL SUBJECT TO CHANGE: - Witness done tomorrow morning, arguments and motions in the pm - Jury to be instructed on MONDAY

- Closing plaintiff -- TUESDAY - Closing defendant -- WEDNESDAY - Rebuttal plaintiff – THURSDAY


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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on September 21, 2013, 05:34:54 PM
From yesterday:

ABC7 Court News    ‏@ABC7Courts   
   (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)            21h (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/381214441804546048)     
Big victory in court today for Katherine Jackson. The judge just ruled the matriarch is entitled to
seek compensation for the death of MJ.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
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By ANTHONY McCARTNEY, Associated Press

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Testimony ended Friday in a long-running lawsuit claiming the promoter of Michael Jackson's planned comeback concerts was negligent in hiring the doctor convicted of causing the death of the superstar.

Closing arguments were expected to begin on Tuesday, with the case possibly going to jurors later next week.

Lawyers for Katherine Jackson, who filed the suit involving her son, concluded testimony in the 21-week case after jurors heard from Michael Jackson's longtime personal physician, Dr. Allan Metzger, and his attorney.

Metzger testified about Jackson's skin conditions, burns and other injuries that required medical care by a variety of doctors. He also described Jackson's generosity.

Jackson died in 2009 at his rented mansion in Los Angeles while preparing for the "This Is It" shows in London. Dr. Conrad Murray was later convicted of involuntary manslaughter for giving him an overdose of the anesthetic propofol, a drug Jackson took to help him sleep.

Metzger considered Jackson a close friend and served as best man at the singer's wedding to Debbie Rowe.

Metzger said over two days of testimony that he thought Jackson engaged in some doctor shopping but only used prescription medications to treat legitimate pain.

"He needed it," Metzger said. "He didn't take it for joy."

The doctor was among more than 50 witnesses in the case that began on April 29 with opening statements.

Both sides introduced testimony from Metzger. Lawyers for AEG Live, the target of the lawsuit, played his videotaped testimony detailing Jackson's use of multiple doctors and his close friendship with the singer.

Attorneys for Jackson's mother called Metzger as a rebuttal witness to remind the jury about Jackson's generosity toward charities and the enormous pain he endured after his scalp was burned during a Pepsi commercial shoot in 1984.

In a twist, Metzger's attorney Eric George was the final witness and testified about how he came to represent the doctor after previously working for Rowe in the case.

George said he agreed to represent Metzger for a reduced rate after the doctor contacted him. He also said there was no conflict with his previous representation of Rowe.

AEG Live denies it hired Murray or bears any responsibility for the singer's death.

Also on Friday, Judge Yvettte Palazuelos ruled that Katherine Jackson was financially dependent to at least some extent on her son for necessities of life, and the family matriarch is entitled to damages if jurors find AEG Live liable for her son's death.


http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2013/09/20/testimony-ends-in-civil-trial-over-jacksons-death
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Sweetangel on September 22, 2013, 02:38:07 PM
Hello everyone,

so now I'm sitting here how little Alice in the big Wonderland and I'm just wondering. This Trial is the oddest thing I have ever read and I ask my self is it even a real one. We had the Lawyers who were fighting about the question " Is Michael Jackson really death."We had the "Candy for Jurors story" we had a "Ghost story" calling Michael a freak and other weird stuff. But there is still
no answer to the Mainquestion "Who hired Dr. Murray." We have heard countless witnesses, but where are the People who
were around Michael in the last Year of his Life. Why Nanny Grace, the 3 Bodyguards or Dr. Thome Thome didn't testifed?
The Website of Mr. Pansih the Lawyer of the Jacksons is a crazy one. Even through he has other cases you won't find a single
document or Video about them but with Michael Jackson everything is there like==> discover the Man you never knew.

One August 21 (LOL 3x7) ABC7 Courts did a few interesting tweets.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21 Aug 
Video deposition ended. AEG played the next one, Dr. Stephen Gordon, plastic surgeon from Las Vegas.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21 Aug
He said his records are electronically saved. He located the "Michael Jefferson" file.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 21 Aug
He said MJ chose to use this name to protect privacy. Dr. Gordon saw MJ professionally 3 times, never socially, spoke on phone maybe twice

ABC7 Courts did mention the Name Michael Jefferson three times so I thought it must be important. And what I discovered
let me fall out of my chair, but take a look for yourself.


http://vimeo.com/28216031

http://vimeo.com/70299238 This one is in German but I hope you get the point. Thanks to Marc Reiman who figured it out.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0705970/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2 This Episode was aired on April 21 LOL 3x7. I see sevens or a

multiple of sevens everywhere but maybe I'm only overhoaxed.  :icon_lol:


Another interesting tweet by Alan Duke

Alan Duke ‏@AlanDukeCNN 19 Sep
The courtroom will hold 313 people, so come on down for closing arguments next week in the trial of AEG Live in MJ's death

Anyone interesting to go to Court? Please don't forget your hoaxglasses.  :icon_mrgreen:

Much Peace and Love to everyone.

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on September 22, 2013, 06:19:29 PM
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From yesterday:

ABC7 Court News    ‏@ABC7Courts   
   (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts)            21h (https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/381214441804546048)     
Big victory in court today for Katherine Jackson. The judge just ruled the matriarch is entitled to
seek compensation for the death of MJ.

This is the worst tweet I have ever read since the hoax began, I mean if KJ is entitled to seek compensation for her son's death, now the question remains: is MJ really dead or alive?? I only know that everyday I am more and more confused and know nothing  :icon_e_confused:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Thriller4ever on September 22, 2013, 11:10:58 PM
can someone explain this to me? this is not the verdict, is it?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on September 22, 2013, 11:30:54 PM
No it's not the verdict. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe AEG just recently filed a motion to dismiss the case completely and this was the judges response to that motion.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MaryK on September 23, 2013, 12:32:15 AM
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No it's not the verdict. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe AEG just recently filed a motion to dismiss the case completely and this was the judges response to that motion.

Exactly bec.
Remember: also Phillips and Gongaware have been dismissed as defendants in the course of this decision process.
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By ANTHONY McCARTNEY, Associated Press

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Testimony ended Friday in a long-running lawsuit claiming the promoter of Michael Jackson's planned comeback concerts was negligent in hiring the doctor convicted of causing the death of the superstar.

Closing arguments were expected to begin on Tuesday, with the case possibly going to jurors later next week.

Lawyers for Katherine Jackson, who filed the suit involving her son, concluded testimony in the 21-week case after jurors heard from Michael Jackson's longtime personal physician, Dr. Allan Metzger, and his attorney.

Metzger testified about Jackson's skin conditions, burns and other injuries that required medical care by a variety of doctors. He also described Jackson's generosity.

Jackson died in 2009 at his rented mansion in Los Angeles while preparing for the "This Is It" shows in London. Dr. Conrad Murray was later convicted of involuntary manslaughter for giving him an overdose of the anesthetic propofol, a drug Jackson took to help him sleep.

Metzger considered Jackson a close friend and served as best man at the singer's wedding to Debbie Rowe.

Metzger said over two days of testimony that he thought Jackson engaged in some doctor shopping but only used prescription medications to treat legitimate pain.

"He needed it," Metzger said. "He didn't take it for joy."

The doctor was among more than 50 witnesses in the case that began on April 29 with opening statements.

Both sides introduced testimony from Metzger. Lawyers for AEG Live, the target of the lawsuit, played his videotaped testimony detailing Jackson's use of multiple doctors and his close friendship with the singer.

Attorneys for Jackson's mother called Metzger as a rebuttal witness to remind the jury about Jackson's generosity toward charities and the enormous pain he endured after his scalp was burned during a Pepsi commercial shoot in 1984.

In a twist, Metzger's attorney Eric George was the final witness and testified about how he came to represent the doctor after previously working for Rowe in the case.

George said he agreed to represent Metzger for a reduced rate after the doctor contacted him. He also said there was no conflict with his previous representation of Rowe.

AEG Live denies it hired Murray or bears any responsibility for the singer's death.

Also on Friday, Judge Yvettte Palazuelos ruled that Katherine Jackson was financially dependent to at least some extent on her son for necessities of life, and the family matriarch is entitled to damages if jurors find AEG Live liable for her son's death.


http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2013/09/20/testimony-ends-in-civil-trial-over-jacksons-death

Blankie thank for this news about dr. Metzger ,but the way he laughed when he said that Mike was a doctor shopper ,made me go  :WTF: !!!! I mean what in the hell is to laugh about that  :icon_e_confused:  :icon_rolleyes: .
To be sincere, it's kinda weird to have to deal with all these doctors  :suspect:, and kinda expensive too  :icon_eek:.Since all this madness began, I think we have already spoken of billions of dollars  :icon_e_surprised:  ... a lot of money in the middle  :icon_cool:, don't you think  :icon_question:? .Talking of money,the reporter just said that Metzger is paid with 1000 dollars per hour? WOW! :icon_e_surprised: :icon_e_surprised: :icon_e_surprised:


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdnFasewN68&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PLbgFjVGeC8H3dkCk8G_fFZ03CtDB4z-vR[/youtube]

PS .Blankie it seems that AEG Prosecution Decides Not To Show Rehearsal Outtakes  :( .


Katherine Jackson rested her months-long, megabucks wrongful death case against concert promoter AEG Live Friday after dropping a bid to show jurors never-before-seen “This Is It” rehearsal footage.

Katherine’s lawyers originally wanted to cap the trial that began in April with select outtakes of the King of Pop appearing “slow” and needing help up a ramp in the days before his death, but they backed down when AEG lawyers countered with a request that jurors see all the raw footage from the final rehearsals.
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/prosecution-rests-michael-jackson-wrongful-death-trial-article-1.1462849#ixzz2fUH6Oul9 (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/prosecution-rests-michael-jackson-wrongful-death-trial-article-1.1462849#ixzz2fUH6Oul9)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
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What If Michael Jackson Was Still Alive?
LOS ANGELES September 22, 2013 (AP)
By ANTHONY McCARTNEY AP Entertainment Writer
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If Michael Jackson were still alive today, he would have just celebrated his 55th birthday and the world would know the outcome of his comeback efforts. He might be embarking on a new career in filmmaking and probably would be nudging his eldest son in the same direction.

As a trial pursued by the singer's mother against the promoters of Jackson's planned comeback concerts draws to a close, jurors may soon be considering intriguing what-ifs had the King of Pop lived.

Throughout the trial, which has spanned 21 weeks and more than 50 witnesses, the panel of six men and six women has heard evidence about Jackson's ambitions and his undisputed devotion for his three children and mother. If jurors determine that AEG Live LLC is liable for Jackson's death, the group will then have to decide how much to compensate the singer's three children and his mother for the loss of a loving father and an entertainer potentially capable of earning tens of millions of dollars a year.

In order to award Jackson's family any money, the panel would have to determine that AEG Live hired the doctor convicted of administering an overdose of the anesthetic propofol in June 2009. AEG denies it hired former cardiologist Conrad Murray or bears any responsibility for Jackson's death. The company's lawyers point to evidence that Murray treated Jackson for years before preparations for the "This Is It" shows began and testimony that the singer was secretive about his medical care.

Yet whether or not the jury will need to determine compensation for Jackson's family, the trial has revealed new details about the superstar's post-tour plans.

Witnesses have described the entertainer's interest in another career as a filmmaker after wrapping up his "This Is It" shows, which were slated to begin in July 2009. The singer's contract included provisions for a worldwide tour after the singer completed a run of 50 shows planned at London's O2 Arena, but AEG executives say the global shows weren't a certainty.

Experts hired by Jackson's mother have testified Jackson could have earned a billion dollars or more on a worldwide tour, a figure that defense experts have attacked as speculative and far in excess of earnings from the singer's previous tours.

Jackson's success or failure during the "This Is It" shows would have determined his future course. By many witnesses' accounts, including his son Prince and a trusted nephew, Jackson was eyeing a second career as a filmmaker. He considered his long-form music videos such as "Thriller" and "Remember the Time" as films, but was eyeing even bigger projects on Egypt's King Tut and a Chicago gangster film

Prince Jackson, 16, recalled during the trial that his father would often show him films twice — the first time with the sound off so that they could analyze shots together. The teenager still has aspirations in show business and told jurors he is considering film school, a decision his father might have steered him toward if he was alive.

The singer suggested to his nephew Taj that he study filmmaking as well, urging him to focus on 3-D technologies that hadn't yet become mainstream in 2009. "He just loved the technology and he wanted to do something groundbreaking with it," Taj said. He said his uncle talked about working with famous directors and about doing movies based on some of his hits, including "Smooth Criminal."
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Jackson's devotion to his three children has been a major focus of the trial. The entertainer closely guarded their privacy and often had them wear masks while in public. Since their father's death, Prince, Paris and Blanket have become household names and their faces are now well-known.

The children now live with Katherine Jackson and are supported by their father's estate, which has successfully erased the singer's sizable debts and have kept interest for his music high. But their father's death has taken away the children's primary caregiver and a father who by all accounts during the trial sought to bring his children happiness and instill in them a sense that they should help others.

The family's attorneys haven't told the jury how much they're asking for the loss of Michael Jackson, yet they could reveal a suggested amount during closing arguments, set to begin Tuesday.

Attorneys and experts hired by AEG Live have presented a different version of Jackson's long-term prospects throughout the trial, showing evidence that the singer was deep in debt and sought out the anesthetic that eventually killed him in the months before his death.

Jackson was on the brink of losing his signature asset, his stake in the Sony-ATV music catalog that includes songs by The Beatles and other top acts, the company's experts told the jury. The singer's medical care has also been thoroughly detailed throughout the trial and it has revealed new information about Jackson's relationship with Murray.

The former cardiologist accompanied Jackson to a 2007 medical appointment in Las Vegas and paid for the cosmetic procedure, a doctor who treated Jackson recalled in testimony. AEG's attorneys have argued that Murray was Jackson's personal doctor and the company was merely advancing the physician's $150,000 a month fee to work on the "This Is It" shows.

It will take at least nine jurors to agree that AEG indeed hired Murray if the panel is to then consider the what-ifs of Michael Jackson's ambitions.

———

McCartney can be reached at http://twitter.com/mccartneyAP

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: flory24 on September 23, 2013, 03:10:29 PM
http://www.usnews.com/news/entertainment/articles/2013/09/23/jurors-hear-legal-instructions-in-jackson-aeg-suit

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Jurors in the negligence lawsuit by Michael Jackson's mother against concert giant AEG Live LLC have heard legal instructions from a judge on the eve of final arguments in the 21-week trial.

Jury members listened Monday to a half hour of instructions on how to evaluate evidence and witnesses. The judge told them that everyone has biases but they must not be swayed by prejudice, sympathy or public opinion. Nor can they consider the wealth of the parties.

Their big decision will be whether the concert promoter was negligent in hiring and supervising Dr. Conrad Murray. AEG claims it did not hire Murray, who was chosen by the singer. Katherine Jackson's lawyers say AEG drafted Murray's contract.

A unanimous verdict is not required; Only nine jurors must agree.
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Post by: suspicious mind on September 23, 2013, 07:59:29 PM
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By ANTHONY McCARTNEY, Associated Press

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Testimony ended Friday in a long-running lawsuit claiming the promoter of Michael Jackson's planned comeback concerts was negligent in hiring the doctor convicted of causing the death of the superstar.

Closing arguments were expected to begin on Tuesday, with the case possibly going to jurors later next week.

Lawyers for Katherine Jackson, who filed the suit involving her son, concluded testimony in the 21-week case after jurors heard from Michael Jackson's longtime personal physician, Dr. Allan Metzger, and his attorney.

Metzger testified about Jackson's skin conditions, burns and other injuries that required medical care by a variety of doctors. He also described Jackson's generosity.

Jackson died in 2009 at his rented mansion in Los Angeles while preparing for the "This Is It" shows in London. Dr. Conrad Murray was later convicted of involuntary manslaughter for giving him an overdose of the anesthetic propofol, a drug Jackson took to help him sleep.

Metzger considered Jackson a close friend and served as best man at the singer's wedding to Debbie Rowe.

Metzger said over two days of testimony that he thought Jackson engaged in some doctor shopping but only used prescription medications to treat legitimate pain.

"He needed it," Metzger said. "He didn't take it for joy."

The doctor was among more than 50 witnesses in the case that began on April 29 with opening statements.

Both sides introduced testimony from Metzger. Lawyers for AEG Live, the target of the lawsuit, played his videotaped testimony detailing Jackson's use of multiple doctors and his close friendship with the singer.

Attorneys for Jackson's mother called Metzger as a rebuttal witness to remind the jury about Jackson's generosity toward charities and the enormous pain he endured after his scalp was burned during a Pepsi commercial shoot in 1984.

In a twist, Metzger's attorney Eric George was the final witness and testified about how he came to represent the doctor after previously working for Rowe in the case.

George said he agreed to represent Metzger for a reduced rate after the doctor contacted him. He also said there was no conflict with his previous representation of Rowe.

AEG Live denies it hired Murray or bears any responsibility for the singer's death.

Also on Friday, Judge Yvettte Palazuelos ruled that Katherine Jackson was financially dependent to at least some extent on her son for necessities of life, and the family matriarch is entitled to damages if jurors find AEG Live liable for her son's death.


http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2013/09/20/testimony-ends-in-civil-trial-over-jacksons-death

Blankie thank for this news about dr. Metzger ,but the way he laughed when he said that Mike was a doctor shopper ,made me go  :WTF: !!!! I mean what in the hell is to laugh about that  :icon_e_confused:  :icon_rolleyes: .
To be sincere, it's kinda weird to have to deal with all these doctors  :suspect:, and kinda expensive too  :icon_eek:.Since all this madness began, I think we have already spoken of billions of dollars  :icon_e_surprised:  ... a lot of money in the middle  :icon_cool:, don't you think  :icon_question:? .Talking of money,the reporter just said that Metzger is paid with 1000 dollars per hour? WOW! :icon_e_surprised: :icon_e_surprised: :icon_e_surprised:


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdnFasewN68&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PLbgFjVGeC8H3dkCk8G_fFZ03CtDB4z-vR[/youtube]

PS .Blankie it seems that AEG Prosecution Decides Not To Show Rehearsal Outtakes  :( .


Katherine Jackson rested her months-long, megabucks wrongful death case against concert promoter AEG Live Friday after dropping a bid to show jurors never-before-seen “This Is It” rehearsal footage.

Katherine’s lawyers originally wanted to cap the trial that began in April with select outtakes of the King of Pop appearing “slow” and needing help up a ramp in the days before his death, but they backed down when AEG lawyers countered with a request that jurors see all the raw footage from the final rehearsals.
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/prosecution-rests-michael-jackson-wrongful-death-trial-article-1.1462849#ixzz2fUH6Oul9 (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/prosecution-rests-michael-jackson-wrongful-death-trial-article-1.1462849#ixzz2fUH6Oul9)

all that money being spent in that way and what do the jurors get about 50 bucks a day. :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on September 23, 2013, 08:41:28 PM
If it's anything like my state it's about 15c a mile compensation for commuting only. You don't get paid for jury duty anymore.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MFFreedom on September 24, 2013, 01:34:50 AM
Can I ask all of you, why out of all Jacksons would exactly Miss Katherine be the one sueing for money? Not claiming to know Mrs. Jackson, as I sure do not, but like I've stated many times after reading Bonnie Cox' research before it does look a bit tooooooo odd for a Mrs. Jackson to file a compensation case when she often enough has made her point clear that she is no woman of greed but a lot more attached emotionally to her children. She even said no money in the world would bring him (MJ) back (we leave that one open for spec). She is no woman going after money. That alone proves for me that this trial is a complete fabrication to discredit AEG, blame them. And not SHE filed the suit but the lawyers representing other parties interests in HER NAME. She is just dragged there - probably against her will. Sorry for being so blunt about that. But in the end all the testimonies and depositions are only entertaining (?) side dishes with little legal (if at all) weight at all, when considering others filing a suit in Mrs. Jacksons' name. We should not forget that both sides are represented by Sony affiliated lawyers as Bonnie Cox has found out through her research. She also brought up enough evidence to back up her research and I have to credit her with that. It is just too odd to be a legit trial.


@applehead & sweetangel
very good points you've made.

@sweetsunset
Don't get confused. Just look at the obvious and that alone answers quite a lot  :bearhug:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: flory24 on September 24, 2013, 04:09:42 AM
After nearly five months of testimony, much of it focused on the mental and physical health of one of the world’s most celebrated entertainers, the Michael Jackson wrongful death case moved closer to a verdict Monday as the judge read her instructions to jurors.

The Jackson family’s attorneys will give their closing arguments Tuesday, followed the next day by lawyers for concert producer and promoter AEG. On Thursday, the Jacksons’ lawyers will do their rebuttal.

After that, the case will be in the hands of the jurors.

Because of the expected media crush, final arguments have been moved to a much larger courtroom, one that holds more than 300 people. The courtroom where the trial played out holds about 50 people, and at one point the fire marshal forced the court to reduce the number of spectators.

Jurors are being asked to decide whether AEG, which was promoting what was to be Jackson’s 2009 comeback concerts, is responsible for the singer’s death.

Jackson’s mother and three children sued the entertainment firm, saying it negligently hired Conrad Murray, the Las Vegas doctor who administered a fatal dose of the anesthetic propofol to help Jackson sleep. At the time, Jackson was rehearsing for a 50-concert engagement in London, possibly to be followed by a worldwide tour.

READ MORE: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-michael-jackson-wrongful-death-trial-20130923,0,1409513.story


and

Stay Out! AEG Moves To Restrict Media From Closing Arguments Of Michael Jackson Wrongful Death Trial

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/09/jackson-family-aeg-court-documents/


Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on September 24, 2013, 10:05:47 AM
http://omg.yahoo.com/news/michael-jackson-star-closing-arguments-084538172.html
Quote
Michael Jackson will be star of closing arguments
LINDA DEUTSCH 6 hours ago
LOS ANGELES (AP) — Michael Jackson (http://omg.yahoo.com/celebs/michael-jackson/263), immortalized by music videos, will be the star of closing arguments by
his mother's lawyers in the civil negligence case against concert giant AEG Live LLC






The videos have been shown frequently during testimony in the 21-week trial
 to remind jurors of Jackson's musical triumphs as well as the
rehearsals for his ill-fated "This Is It" concert tour when some
witnesses claim he was ailing.The lawyers who brought the suit on behalf of Katherine Jackson and the superstar's children are scheduled to speak on Tuesday and have
 been allotted four hours for their initial presentation. Attorneys for
AEG will speak on Wednesday, also for four hours. The plaintiffs, who
have the burden of proof, get to speak a second time. In that grand
finale, probably on Thursday, they are likely to tell jurors how much
money the Jacksons are seeking for the loss of the world famous pop
star.They are expected to ask for more than $1 billion, citing testimony of experts who said Jackson had a long lucrative career ahead
of him when he died at the age of 50.Final arguments are likely to draw a crowd, leading the judge to move proceedings from her tiny
courtroom to a larger courtroom that can accommodate media, spectators,
lawyers and Jackson fans who line up daily for a lottery to win seats in
 the courtroom.View gallery."[img width=300px,height=220px]http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/e1EQS6Z4cNduSyb9yG1kzg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTIyMDtxPTg1O3NtPTE7dz0zMDA-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/2952ccd31fc13d203e0f6a7067002630.jpg[/img]FILE - In this Friday, Oct. 21, 2011, file photo, Michael Jackson's doctor former Dr. Conrad Murray  … (http://omg.yahoo.com/photos/file-friday-oct-21-2011-file-photo-michael-photo-214519119.html)The fans huddle and discuss the case in the hallway and wait to see
Katherine Jackson enter the courtroom. Some wear T-shirts emblazoned
with her picture and messages of support.AEG Live is accused of negligently hiring Dr. Conrad Murray, who was convicted in 2011 of giving Jackson an overdose of the
anesthetic propofol as he tried to sleep during preparations for
comeback shows in London.The company claims it was Jackson who insisted that Murray treat him because the former cardiologist was
giving him propofol as a sleep aid.AEG Live drafted a contract for Murray's services, according to testimony, but it was never signed
by anyone except Murray before Jackson died.On Monday, members of the jury heard Superior Court Judge Yvette
Palazuelos gave them legal instructions. Everyone has biases, she said,
but they must not be swayed by prejudice, sympathy or public opinion
while deliberating. They also were told how to evaluate evidence and
witnesses.If the jury finds that damages should be assessed, the judge said they must not consider
such issues as the grief endured by the Jackson family or the wealth of both sides in the bitterly fought case.The instructions lasted about 30 minutes, a relatively short time because
there is really just one central issue in the case: Who hired Dr. Conrad
 Murray? Was it AEG Live or Michael Jackson?A unanimous verdict is not required. Only nine of the 12 jurors must agree.
I didn't realize we were at 21 weeks. Great number.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MaryK on September 24, 2013, 11:11:14 AM
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 6m

Breaking news: judge allowing cameras for closing arguments. Watch @ABC7 and http://www.abc7.com
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Snoopy71 on September 24, 2013, 11:35:22 AM
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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 6m

Breaking news: judge allowing cameras for closing arguments. Watch @ABC7 and http://www.abc7.com

Oh...NOW the camera's can come in.  :icon_rolleyes:  :icon_e_confused:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Thriller4ever on September 24, 2013, 11:36:10 AM
awesome, now wtf does it even mean?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MaryK on September 24, 2013, 12:05:51 PM
ABC7 Livestream here:

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/livenow?id=9259817 (http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/livenow?id=9259817)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Thriller4ever on September 24, 2013, 12:24:04 PM
i can only see the CA seal,,,is it the same with u guys?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: MaryK on September 24, 2013, 12:31:38 PM
Yes. Will start soon.
They´ve been asked to only start filming people in the room when it starts.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Sweetangel on September 24, 2013, 03:41:13 PM
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Yes. Will start soon.
They´ve been asked to only start filming people in the room when it starts.


It's streaming now. Could someone make a copy and upload to Youtube. Damm they start so late, I have to go to bed soon.

Much Peace and Love to everyone.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: santiago on September 24, 2013, 03:45:14 PM
hey guys! how do you feel about these closing arguments? I just tuned in during the break and was listening to people talking and laughing.. what caught my ear was something like 'hahahaha, this job is so easy, I make this job look good!" and "Are you connected to the mike or the headphones?' etc.. Just have really ODD feeling about this again.. so not real, it can't be.. i don't believe that for a second. hahahaha @ the gongaware et al.s 'i dont recall' montages  :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: santiago on September 24, 2013, 03:49:22 PM
oh, did it just start? I was sure I'd already missed at least a part of it.. on Murray's trial the CA seal was shown during the breaks, the same here. i just thought it has started earlier. ok, going to watch it now..
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Sweetangel on September 24, 2013, 03:57:42 PM
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hey guys! how do you feel about these closing arguments? I just tuned in during the break and was listening to people talking and laughing.. what caught my ear was something like 'hahahaha, this job is so easy, I make this job look good!" and "Are you connected to the mike or the headphones?' etc.. Just have really ODD feeling about this again.. so not real, it can't be.. i don't believe that for a second. hahahaha @ the gongaware et al.s 'i dont recall' montages  :LolLolLolLol:

I liked the beginning Panish showed Randy Philipps and Paul Gongaware testemony and counted how often they couldn't recall or remember. LOL
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on September 24, 2013, 03:59:26 PM
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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 6m

Breaking news: judge allowing cameras for closing arguments. Watch @ABC7 and http://www.abc7.com

I thought that Jackson Lawyers Move To Restrict Media ,but I guess I was wrong  :icon_rolleyes: .Oh my God why, I hadn't thought of that  :icon_lol:? It always happens the opposite to what we expect  :icon_cool:.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Billie J on September 24, 2013, 05:09:00 PM
I thought we would have a live chat and watch the live feed from abc7 like We had with murray trial? :'( :beerchug: :)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: warrior999 on September 24, 2013, 06:21:36 PM
Unfortunatly I've seen not much I missed it at beginning cause we celebrated the birthday of my bro today at my sisters place because she have earlier free today and we had more time together. And at home I watched Celebrity Big Brother Germany cause Pamela Anderson joins it (like few years ago in UK) until Friday cause David don´t Hassle the Hoff seems wants more money or his father really was is ill???? media you know.

It was hard to listen and watch great vids and pics and great speech but  :WTF: he don´t denies for addiction his KF Lawyer.

some even laughs of camera only sound and standpic on the seal of EUREKA some clue???? I even saw a women laughing and talking with another behind the Lawyer during his speech really for such a important mannor case looks fishy but anyways we can think it isn´t complete real or maybe even fake at all but definitly odd.

Tomorrow AEG on 09:45 in Europe 18:45 hope stream will works again it is getting closer hard and informative and very special LOVE EXPLAINING WOW  :bearhug: :smiley_abuv: :-* :omg: :michael-jackson: :th_bravo:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: gwynned on September 24, 2013, 11:09:58 PM
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Unfortunatly I've seen not much I missed it at beginning cause we celebrated the birthday of my bro today at my sisters place because she have earlier free today and we had more time together. And at home I watched Celebrity Big Brother Germany cause Pamela Anderson joins it (like few years ago in UK) until Friday cause David don´t Hassle the Hoff seems wants more money or his father really was is ill???? media you know.

It was hard to listen and watch great vids and pics and great speech but  :WTF: he don´t denies for addiction his KF Lawyer.

some even laughs of camera only sound and standpic on the seal of EUREKA some clue???? I even saw a women laughing and talking with another behind the Lawyer during his speech really for such a important mannor case looks fishy but anyways we can think it isn´t complete real or maybe even fake at all but definitly odd.

Tomorrow AEG on 09:45 in Europe 18:45 hope stream will works again it is getting closer hard and informative and very special LOVE EXPLAINING WOW  :bearhug: :smiley_abuv: :-* :omg: :michael-jackson: :th_bravo:

WHY would there be a seal of Eureka?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on September 25, 2013, 12:32:21 AM
The California state seal has EUREKA printed across the top center.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on September 25, 2013, 02:08:21 AM
I wasn't able to watch, but found these this morning:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATJ1hU_DoCg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll_hTD1KI9k

Haven't got time to watch myself, was there anything noteworthy in closing arguments?

EDIT:  Third part has been added: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-znfPp7l8ws
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on September 25, 2013, 03:20:03 AM
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I wasn't able to watch, but found these this morning:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATJ1hU_DoCg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll_hTD1KI9k

Haven't got time to watch myself, was there anything noteworthy in closing arguments?

Wow, never saw anything like this in a trial  :icon_e_surprised:  :LolLolLolLol: !!!!
I just watched until they have shown, the video made by Prince  :-*.Amazing video by the way  :icon_cool: .Can't believe the judge allowed all those MJ videos in  :icon_e_surprised: . How does the defense counter that  :icon_rolleyes: ?


And to conclude, Tom Meserau was a wonderful/cool guest at Piers Morgan Live  ;):


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGgnWV7aqTo[/youtube]
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on September 25, 2013, 04:16:05 AM
Something it's very strange here,cause during Livestream they kept showing this guy ,starting 13:37 :icon_e_confused: :suspect::

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHI2JqaHveA[/youtube]

But in the same time they showed this guy ,that we "know" is Marvin Putnam:

(http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/04RYaYq9Lt06V/x160.jpg)

Which one is the real one lol  :LolLolLolLol: ?? Also look at this article or search on internet for Marvin Putnam photo :WTF: :WTF: :WTF: :

http://vallieegirl67.com/2013/09/24/lawyers-in-michael-jackson-wrongful-death-suit-cant-mask-animosity/ (http://vallieegirl67.com/2013/09/24/lawyers-in-michael-jackson-wrongful-death-suit-cant-mask-animosity/)

(http://vallieegirl67.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/la-me-jackson-lawyers-20130924-001.jpg?w=593&h=356)

(http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Marvin+Putnam+Jury+Selection+Begins+Katherine+KSqNcYuYbW9x.jpg)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: underthemoon on September 25, 2013, 04:28:07 AM
Isn't the US flag normaly in the court room ? What flag is here in the court room ? I am so sorry that i havn't the time to watch the Video....must do it later.

And the second funny Thing is....go to ABC7 News and they have links to a Musical....The wizard of Oz.....on there Homepage..... :thjajaja121:

All These coincedences  :th_bravo:

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: underthemoon on September 25, 2013, 05:45:32 AM
 ABC7 reports about the Trial in the category Entertainment:

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/entertainment&id=9259642

and they have a Copyright on it.....funny again...no Copyright for reporting Storys, only for fiction !

All the ppl in the court room are looking so bored....who are they ?

Jessica Stebbins Bina giggles so often.....she does an absolut serious Job and acts like a Teenager ..... how professional !

It's all staged and i wasn't interested to watch this all. It's wasting time....
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: gwynned on September 25, 2013, 07:06:49 AM
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Something it's very strange here,cause during Livestream they kept showing this guy ,starting 13:37 :icon_e_confused: :suspect::

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHI2JqaHveA[/youtube]

But in the same time they showed this guy ,that we "know" is Marvin Putnam:

(http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/04RYaYq9Lt06V/x160.jpg)

Which one is the real one lol  :LolLolLolLol: ?? Also look at this article or search on internet for Marvin Putnam photo :WTF: :WTF: :WTF: :

http://vallieegirl67.com/2013/09/24/lawyers-in-michael-jackson-wrongful-death-suit-cant-mask-animosity/ (http://vallieegirl67.com/2013/09/24/lawyers-in-michael-jackson-wrongful-death-suit-cant-mask-animosity/)

(http://vallieegirl67.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/la-me-jackson-lawyers-20130924-001.jpg?w=593&h=356)

(http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Marvin+Putnam+Jury+Selection+Begins+Katherine+KSqNcYuYbW9x.jpg)



Applehead, nice work!  I've noticed quite a bit of this slight of hand lately.  For instance, these two photos of Aaron Alexis, the alleged terrorist at the Navy Shipyard looks completely different in these two photos.

(http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/4158/m2x1.JPG)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on September 25, 2013, 08:39:09 AM
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Unfortunatly I've seen not much I missed it at beginning cause we celebrated the birthday of my bro today at my sisters place because she have earlier free today and we had more time together. And at home I watched Celebrity Big Brother Germany cause Pamela Anderson joins it (like few years ago in UK) until Friday cause David don´t Hassle the Hoff seems wants more money or his father really was is ill???? media you know.

It was hard to listen and watch great vids and pics and great speech but  :WTF: he don´t denies for addiction his KF Lawyer.

some even laughs of camera only sound and standpic on the seal of EUREKA some clue???? I even saw a women laughing and talking with another behind the Lawyer during his speech really for such a important mannor case looks fishy but anyways we can think it isn´t complete real or maybe even fake at all but definitly odd.

Tomorrow AEG on 09:45 in Europe 18:45 hope stream will works again it is getting closer hard and informative and very special LOVE EXPLAINING WOW  :bearhug: :smiley_abuv: :-* :omg: :michael-jackson: :th_bravo:

Meaning of EUREKA: "Used to express triumph upon finding or discovering something".
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: gwynned on September 25, 2013, 08:45:50 AM
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Unfortunatly I've seen not much I missed it at beginning cause we celebrated the birthday of my bro today at my sisters place because she have earlier free today and we had more time together. And at home I watched Celebrity Big Brother Germany cause Pamela Anderson joins it (like few years ago in UK) until Friday cause David don´t Hassle the Hoff seems wants more money or his father really was is ill???? media you know.

It was hard to listen and watch great vids and pics and great speech but  :WTF: he don´t denies for addiction his KF Lawyer.

some even laughs of camera only sound and standpic on the seal of EUREKA some clue???? I even saw a women laughing and talking with another behind the Lawyer during his speech really for such a important mannor case looks fishy but anyways we can think it isn´t complete real or maybe even fake at all but definitly odd.

Tomorrow AEG on 09:45 in Europe 18:45 hope stream will works again it is getting closer hard and informative and very special LOVE EXPLAINING WOW  :bearhug: :smiley_abuv: :-* :omg: :michael-jackson: :th_bravo:

Meaning of EUREKA: "Used to express triumph upon finding or discovering something".

You're probably right that the clue is about an idea and not a place.  Too bad.  I live near Eureka.   :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on September 25, 2013, 10:00:26 AM
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Something it's very strange here,cause during Livestream they kept showing this guy ,starting 13:37 :icon_e_confused: :suspect::

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHI2JqaHveA[/youtube]

But in the same time they showed this guy ,that we "know" is Marvin Putnam:

(http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/04RYaYq9Lt06V/x160.jpg)

Which one is the real one lol  :LolLolLolLol: ?? Also look at this article or search on internet for Marvin Putnam photo :WTF: :WTF: :WTF: :

http://vallieegirl67.com/2013/09/24/lawyers-in-michael-jackson-wrongful-death-suit-cant-mask-animosity/ (http://vallieegirl67.com/2013/09/24/lawyers-in-michael-jackson-wrongful-death-suit-cant-mask-animosity/)

(http://vallieegirl67.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/la-me-jackson-lawyers-20130924-001.jpg?w=593&h=356)

(http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Marvin+Putnam+Jury+Selection+Begins+Katherine+KSqNcYuYbW9x.jpg)

The pic of Putman you have posted doesn't look the same as the Putman at the court room but however I saw him live when I was at the court room and he didn't seem to have a fake face to me, this is a mystery, however the one that looked suspicious to me was the old man with the white hair:

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/screenoxo.png)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on September 25, 2013, 10:02:02 AM
Eureka is not a 'clue' to anything - did you guys see bec's post earlier?

Quote
The California state seal has EUREKA printed across the top center.

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on September 25, 2013, 10:25:11 AM
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ABC7 reports about the Trial in the category Entertainment:

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/entertainment&id=9259642

and they have a Copyright on it.....funny again...no Copyright for reporting Storys, only for fiction !

All the ppl in the court room are looking so bored....who are they ?

Jessica Stebbins Bina giggles so often.....she does an absolut serious Job and acts like a Teenager ..... how professional !

It's all staged and i wasn't interested to watch this all. It's wasting time....

Ok guys I am gonna say what I didn't dare to say since I came back from L.A and you all know I was witnessing the trial during 2 days, Sharon Sydney sitting next to me was almost snoring lol and the journalist sitting in front of me was watching the new ZARA (lol casually a spanish cia) clothing collection on her laptop and then I thought WTF is all this?? because I was so interested about the trial however everybody seemed to be so bored including Judge Ivette Palazuelos.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on September 25, 2013, 10:27:59 AM
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Isn't the US flag normaly in the court room ? What flag is here in the court room ?

The US flag is there to the right of the judge. The one behind Panish is the California state flag.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on September 25, 2013, 10:32:20 AM
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Eureka is not a 'clue' to anything - did you guys see bec's post earlier?

Quote
The California state seal has EUREKA printed across the top center.

Yes Curls we had read what Bec wrote but the fact that they focussed on that word so much and so close could be a clue about what is gonna happen next that's why this could be a so well known subtle clue and not blatant clue, know what I mean?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: flory24 on September 25, 2013, 11:22:11 AM
I tried that page we used yesterday for closing argument's and it still seems to say 'Page Not Found'
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on September 25, 2013, 12:01:55 PM
Try this flory: http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/livenow?id=9259817
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: flory24 on September 25, 2013, 01:14:33 PM
Thank you Curls...is working now  :bearhug:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Sweetangel on September 25, 2013, 04:18:13 PM
Hello everyone.

The sound is so bad. Anyone has the link from CNN? Maybe the sound is better there.

Much Peace and Love.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: marumjj on September 25, 2013, 05:04:06 PM
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The California state seal has EUREKA printed across the top center.

Yes, and the camera stopped there. I remember the trial po hominidio to C. M.
and the famous seal with 32 stars

(http://imageshack.com/scaled/large/707/83n2.png)

This time I could not count how many there are, but it may be a sign ..
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on September 25, 2013, 06:06:52 PM
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Thank you Curls...is working now  :bearhug:

Thanks from here too  :bearhug:



http://fox13now.com/2013/09/25/aeg-live-to-deliver-final-arguments-in-michael-jackson-wrongful-death-trial/
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on September 25, 2013, 07:47:31 PM
does he make anyone else think of the casket salesman?  :icon_redface: :icon_pale:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Thriller4ever on September 26, 2013, 01:43:06 AM
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This time I could not count how many there are, but it may be a sign ..

There are 31 stars, the correct number. I counted.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Snoopy71 on September 26, 2013, 05:45:18 AM
Lawyer: Blame Michael Jackson for his death, not AEG Live
 

By Alan Duke, CNN
 
updated 9:20 PM EDT, Wed September 25, 2013


Los Angeles (CNN) -- AEG LIve's lawyer asked a jury to find Michael Jackson responsible for his death, not the concert promoter.
 
Attorney Marvin Putnam spent four hours Wednesday deliver his closing arguments in the trial of the wrongful death lawsuit brought by Jackson's mother and three children.
 
"Plaintiffs want you to hold a concert promoter liable for Michael Jackson's overdose in his bedroom at night, behind locked doors on June 25, 2009," Putnam told jurors. "An overdose of the drug administered to Mr. Jackson by his longtime doctor -- Dr. Murray -- who he'd been seeing for years, a doctor he brought to Los Angeles from Las Vegas."
 
When the trial began five months ago, Putnam warned he would show "ugly stuff" and reveal Jackson's "deepest, darkest secret."
 
The revelations that jurors heard from 58 witnesses over 83 days of testimony spanning 21 weeks included details of Jackson's drug use and his shopping for a doctor to give him the surgical anesthetic propofol that he thought would give him sleep.
 
"He was nearly half a billion dollars in debt," Putnam argued Wednesday. "His mother's house was near foreclosure, we didn't know that then. What else do we know now? That Mr. Jackson spent decades shopping for doctors to give him the painkillers he wanted. Mr. Jackson made sure we didn't know that."
 
Brian Panish, the lead lawyer for Jackson's mother and three children, conceded in his closing Tuesday that the singer may have some fault for his own death, but said "it's about shared responsibility."
 
Jackson did use prescription painkillers and was warned that using propofol at home to sleep was risky, "but he never had a problem until Dr. Conrad Murray was working and until Conrad Murray negotiated with AEG Live," Panish argued.
 
The AEG Live lawyer, Putnam, argued Wednesday that Jackson should take the full blame. "The sad truth is Mr. Jackson's death was caused by his choices and it would have happened no matter what -- with or without AEG Live."
 
The Jackson family lawyer urged jurors to award the family between $1 billion and $2 billion in damages for its share of liability in Jackson's death -- to replace what he would have earned touring, had he lived, and for the personal suffering from the loss of a son and father.
 
Putnam told jurors Wednesday that was "an absurd number."
 
Katherine Jackson testified that she filed the wrongful death lawsuit three years ago against AEG Live "because I want to know what really happened to my son."
 
Her lawyers argue that the company is liable in the death because it negligently hired, retained or supervised Murray, who was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in Jackson's propofol overdose death.
 
Jackson's lawyer will have another two hours Thursday morning to sum up his arguments in rebuttal.
 
Twelve jurors, who have sat and listened in a Los Angeles courtroom for 21 weeks, will then begin deliberations.
 
The judge is allowing a television camera in court for the closing arguments and verdict.
 
 
AEG Live's defense
 
Murray treated Michael Jackson and his children for minor illnesses while they lived in Las Vegas for three years, before the singer returned to Los Angeles to prepare for his "This Is It" comeback tour. It was Jackson -- not AEG Live executives -- who chose Murray to be his full-time doctor for his tour, the company's lawyers contend.
 
AEG Live Co-CEO Paul Gongaware negotiated to pay Murray $150,000 a month only because of Jackson's request to have his doctor with him as he performed 50 shows at London's O2 Arena, they argue.
 
"He told them 'We're bringing this doctor,' " Putnam said. "This was a choice Mr. Jackson made, he was a grown man."
 
AEG Live executives tried to talk Jackson out of taking an American doctor with him on tour, suggesting he could save money by using a physician in London, Putnam said.
 
"But Mr. Jackson was undeterred," he said. "Ultimately, it was his money, his doctor, his choice. He certainly wasn't going to take 'no' for an answer."
 
There was no need to check Murray's background because he was a licensed, successful doctor who was known to Jackson, Putnam said. "All AEG Live knew was Dr. Murray was Mr. Jackson's longtime doctor."
 
A key argument in the Jackson case is that AEG Live was negligent by not ordering a financial background check of Murray, which would have revealed he was in a dire financial situation and not successful. His desperation to keep his lucrative job led Murray to violate his Hippocratic Oath to do no harm by using the dangerous propofol infusions to put Jackson to sleep each night for two months, Jackson lawyers argue.
 
AEG Live executives had no way of knowing Murray was treating Jackson's insomnia with propofol in the privacy of his bedroom, their lawyers contend. Jackson was a secretive addict, adept at keeping family, friends and other doctors in the dark about his medical treatments, they argue.
 
But two doctors testified that they told Gongaware about Jackson's abuse of painkillers and his insomnia during tours in the 1990s, when the AEG Live executive served as tour manager. Jackson lawyers argue Gongaware, who was the top producer on the new tour, should have known that Jackson could suffer the same problems in 2009.
 
The deterioration of Jackson's health over the two months he was being treated by Murray was a red flag that there was a problem, but AEG Live executives negligently ignored the warning, Jackson lawyers argue. By June 19, he was frail, suffering chills, unable to do his trademark dances and paranoid, according to testimony.
 
"Everyone believed at the time that a 50-year-old man, who hadn't performed in a decade was tired, out of shape and very nervous," Putnam argued Wednesday. "That's what they believed at the time and it makes sense."
 
AEG Live can avoid a negative verdict if is able able to convince at least 4 of 12 jurors that it did not hire Murray. It is the first of 16 questions on the jury verdict form. If jurors answer it with a "no" -- that AEG Live did not hire the doctor -- they would end their deliberations and the trial.
 
An AEG Live lawyer e-mailed an employment contract to Murray on the morning of June 24, 2009. Murray signed it and faxed it back to the company that day. But the signature line for AEG Live's CEO and Michael Jackson were never signed since Jackson died the next day.
 
Putnam will point to those blank signature lines as evidence that Murray was never hired by his client. There were negotiations with Murray, but he was never paid, the AEG Live lawyer argues.
 
Panish, the lead Jackson lawyer, told jurors Tuesday that all the elements of an oral contract -- "just as valid as a written contract" -- were in place when Jackson died.
 
Murray had been treating Jackson for two months and the written contract stated that his start day was May 1, 2009. A series of e-mail exchanges involving Murray and AEG Live executives and lawyers supported his argument, Panish said.
 
 
Blame and damages
 
If the jury concludes AEG Live has liability, it would have to decide how much the company should pay in economic and personal damages to Jackson's mother and children. They can use estimates of Jackson's "lost earnings capacity" -- the amount of money he could reasonably be expected to have earned if he had lived -- to guide them.
 
AEG Live expert Eric Briggs testified it was "speculative" that Jackson would have even completed another tour because of his drug use, damaged reputation and history of failed projects. He suggested the star may never have earned another dime.
 
Putnam's closing argument about damages must overcome the impression left on jurors Tuesday when Panish played a video montage of Jackson performances.
 
"That is, I think, the best evidence of if Michael Jackson could have sold tickets -- not what Mr. Briggs would tell you," Panish told jurors.
 
Panish suggested jurors pick a number between $900 million and $1.6 billion for economic damages. They should add on another $290 million for non-economic damages -- or personal damages, he said.
 
Putnam argued that the number, if the jury finds AEG Live liable, should be closer to $21 million, the amount of money AEG Live's expert calculated Jackson would have given his mother and three children over the next 16 years. He couldn't have given them more because he was had a $400 million debt that ws getting deeper, he said.
 
"If Mr. Jackson had lived, it's hard to see how he would ever have dug himself out of that whole," Putnam said.
 
The last question on the verdict form asks jurors to assign a percentage that they believe represents Michael Jackson's share of blame in his death. The total damages owed by AEG Live would be reduced by that percentage.
 
Panish will have two hours to rebut Putnam's arguments before jury deliberations begin later Thursday.
 
Michael Jackson's mom remembers her 'sweet little boy'
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on September 26, 2013, 12:28:37 PM
Rebuttal is on live here now: http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/livenow?id=9259817
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on September 26, 2013, 05:15:18 PM
A unanimous verdict is not required in the case since it is a civil trial. Only nine of the 12 jurors must agree.    :judge-smiley:

    http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/entertainment&id=9262842   



@ Michael Jackson's mom remembers her 'sweet little boy    :bearhug:






                         
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Sweetangel on September 27, 2013, 01:42:31 AM
Hello everyone,

for everyone who did miss yesterdays closing arguments. Here is one video from the whole Day.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGFY1AQZu4Q[/youtube]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGFY1AQZu4Q

Much Peace and Love to everyone
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on September 27, 2013, 05:08:29 PM
Thanks for sharing Sweetangel  :icon_razz:   

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: RK on September 27, 2013, 06:49:34 PM
http://guardianlv.com/2013/09/michael-jackson-rises-from-the-dead/ (http://guardianlv.com/2013/09/michael-jackson-rises-from-the-dead/)


Michael Jackson: Rises from the Dead?
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Micheal Jackson: Risen from the Dead?

Ever since Michael Jackson died on Jun. 25, 2009, his ghost seems to continue to rise from the dead, in one way or the other, to haunt the living. AEG Live, for instance, is still battling with his haunting spirit. A lawyer representing the company said, in his closing argument against the suit by Jackson’s family, that Jackson should be held responsible for his death because he is an adult with the privilege of making decision by himself. As the case is now turned to the jury, who knows whether the risen spirit of Jackson will win the case like he won that of his physician, Conrad Murray.

Murray was not so lucky to escape from the grasps of the risen spirit of Jackson. It even seems that the doctor understood that what was seeking revenge was not Jackson’s family but the spirit of the King of Pop. If not, who can explain why Brenda, Lionel Richie’s ex-wife, could come to court to testify that the spirit of Jackson visited her and told her that it was he, Jackson, who took his own life unintentionally? Therefore it was not Murray’s fault that Jackson died. It also seems that the judge presiding over the case understood that the case at hand was that of the risen spirit and that made him allow the claim to be heard. But, Jackson’s spirit could not relent until he saw Murray being sentenced in 2011.

Legal issues were not the only place Jackson’s spirit has risen from the dead to haunt the living. The king of Pop’s neighbors of his former Beverly Mansion as of 2012, three years after his death, were still reporting scary activities attribute to Jackson. One of his neighbors reporting to Daily Star said, “It has freaked everyone out. When he was living there, Michael would regularly look through the curtains and see who were around… people have heard his music coming from the house and even singing. Everyone thinks that Michael’s ghost walks around the house.”

Another neighbor said, “It is so weird. The world knew that Michael was obsessed by the afterlife, from his songs like Thriller. He believed in spirits – now his own has returned.”

His neighbors were not the only ones with the story of the risen-from-the-dead spirit of Jackson. La Toya Jackson, his sister, believed also that the King of Pop’s spirit was haunting their family compound in Encino. WQEL, a radio station at Ohio reported that, “La Toya Jackson has recently contacted a psychic who has helped her come to terms with the spooky events that have been taking place inside the family house.”

However, not everybody saw the risen spirit of Jackson as haunting. For one, the cast and crew of Cirque Du Soleil’s ‘One’ feels that Jackson spirit was with them when they were working on the new spectacular for several months at the Mandalay Bay Hotel. According to their sound designer, Jonathan Deans, Jackson “Presence is definitely here. You close your eyes and he’s in the room. Hopefully, he will be sitting here saying that is great.”

By Ezeiyoke Chukwunonso
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on September 27, 2013, 07:02:12 PM
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Hello everyone,

for everyone who did miss yesterdays closing arguments. Here is one video from the whole Day.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGFY1AQZu4Q[/youtube]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGFY1AQZu4Q

Much Peace and Love to everyone

Thanks Sweetangel.

Here are some parts of Panish' closing arguments which I thought were brilliant:

Personal responsibility, 3 principles:
1. You have to accept
2 If you're  gonna talk the talk you're gonna walk the walk
3 Don't dare you do anything to get in the way of someone that’s  trying to deal with personal responsibility.

AEG violated all those 3 principles of personal responsibility.

1: Before you point the finger you gotta look in the mirror at yourself. AEG looked in the mirror at themselves and they say "everything we did is fine". They want you to believe, mr Gongaware, mr Phillips this story in this trial. 1 of the most important decisions in ur life They want you to base this on these two people mr Gongaware, mr Phillips. in disregard of all the other evidence.
2 They never walked the walk, they did alot of talking, they didn’t met anything.
3 How dare they come up here and accept no responsibility & put it all on Michael, mrs Jackson etc., everybody but them. When u point the finger at someone you got 4 fingers point back at yourself & responsibility doesnt stop at the boardroom.

7 notepads :icon_e_wink:

When all the work is done and getting ready for the game there's this story: 'There was a wise old man in Montana. There were these kids that always thought that they’re gonna get one over on the wise old man, they never could succeed. 1 day a sparrow fell from a nest. 1 of the boys picked it up and called all his buddies over and said i’m gonna fool the old man. This we gonna do: "okay, wise old man i’m hold my hands out like this and i’ll ask him:  is this bird dead or is the bird alive? If he says the bird is dead I’m gonna open my hand and if he says he’s alive I’m gonna crush it in my hand. There’s no way he’s gonna get on us this time. And they went up there: and they said: "okay, wise old man is the bird alive or is the bird dead?" And he looks and he said: " lads, the fate of the bird is in your hands". Ladies and gentlemen the fate of Prince Michael, Paris, Blanket and Katherine Jackson is in your hands.

I think Panish' bird dead or alive story is interesting to say the least  :icon_e_wink:



Love always
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: RK on September 27, 2013, 07:09:03 PM
AEG Verdict Could Shake Up Entertainment Business



By Eric Kelsey     

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) – The wrongful death lawsuit filed by the family of late pop star Michael Jackson against his concert promoter is now in the hands of a jury, and the verdict could have far-reaching implications for how the entertainment industry does business with its biggest stars.

The 21-week trial, which has opened a window into the private life and last days of the King of Pop, has put not only concert promoter AEG Live on trial but also the entertainment industry’s live-performance business model, analysts say.

After closing arguments concluded on Thursday, the judge sent the jury to deliberate and a verdict is expected some time next week, if not earlier. Jackson family lawyers have suggested in court documents that damages could exceed $1 billion.

“If AEG is found liable, that puts these companies on the line for millions and billions of dollars, and it is already causing the industry to rethink how the structure is set up,” said Jo Piazza, the author of “Celebrity, Inc.” and a celebrity branding consultant.

Currently, entertainment producers typically pay up-front sums running into millions of dollars to performers in exchange for being able to have greater control over some of the performers’ affairs.

The lawsuit alleged that “AEG came to control much of Jackson’s life. The home Jackson lived in was provided by AEG; his finances were dependent on AEG, and his assets stood security if he failed to perform.” Those assets included The Sony/ATV music catalog owned by Jackson, which even includes iconic Beatles songs.

The verdict “could have a chilling effect on how much micro-management of a star’s life companies like AEG and other production companies have,” Piazza said.

“But the reason the micro-management even exists is to make sure that the celebrities, the talent, is in the best position possible to make money for the production company,” she added.

That kind of control is the crux of the wrongful death lawsuit filed by Jackson’s mother, Katherine Jackson, and his three children.

PROFITS AND RISKS

In the suit, Jackson’s family alleges that privately held AEG Live, one of the world’s top concert promoters, negligently hired cardiologist Conrad Murray as Jackson’s personal physician and ignored signs that the singer was in poor health.

The “Thriller” singer died in 2009 in Los Angeles at age 50 from an overdose of surgical anesthetic propofol.

Murray, who was caring for Jackson as the singer rehearsed for his series of 50 comeback “This Is It” concerts, was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in 2011 for administering the propofol that killed the star.

“It’s the kind of case that every entertainment lawyer is paying attention to because everybody in the entertainment industry has assistants and sometimes that entails medical attention as well,” said John Nockleby, a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles.

AEG Live has argued that Jackson had prescription drug and addiction problems for years before entering into any agreement with the company.

It also has said that it did not hire or supervise Murray and could not have foreseen that the physician would have posed a danger to the singer.

“They (AEG Live) chose to run the risk and make a huge profit,” Jackson family attorney Brian Panish said this week in closing arguments.

“The industry is watching and waiting and seeing very much how this plays out,” said Jody Armour, a law professor at the University of Southern California who specializes in personal injury claims.

“It could have a deterrent effect on corporations going forward, and how much and how aggressively they push entertainers to meet their contractual obligations,” he added.

READ MORE: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/26/entertainment-us-michaeljackson-idUSBRE98P1DY20130926

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: marumjj on September 27, 2013, 08:23:31 PM
Hello everyone! thanks for the links, I like the parable of Panish, very hoaxy, the bird is "Dead or alive".
We all know he's alive, hopefully the jury make a decision just because AEG remained exposed.
This case set a precedent for future artists that do business with AEG.
AEG are money-hungry beasts, no matter what it takes, (Email where it is clear that they are paying the salary of Murray) and although they deny it and the contract was not signed, the agreement existed.
My concern about whether KJ win at trial and collects money towards MJ in crime, but I know that is not so. We can only hope the verdict.                 :bearhug:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: gwynned on September 27, 2013, 09:26:58 PM
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Hello everyone! thanks for the links, I like the parable of Panish, very hoaxy, the bird is "Dead or alive".
We all know he's alive, hopefully the jury make a decision just because AEG remained exposed.
This case set a precedent for future artists that do business with AEG.
AEG are money-hungry beasts, no matter what it takes, (Email where it is clear that they are paying the salary of Murray) and although they deny it and the contract was not signed, the agreement existed.
My concern about whether KJ win at trial and collects money towards MJ in crime, but I know that is not so. We can only hope the verdict.                 :bearhug:

Since we know the trial is a hoax, we also know the verdict, whatever it may be, has been predetermined by none other than the alleged victim.  It's fun to watch and guess his next move, but worry is unnecessary at this juncture, I would think. 
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Thriller4ever on September 27, 2013, 11:43:05 PM
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Ever since Michael Jackson died on Jun. 25, 2009, his ghost seems to continue to rise from the dead, in one way or the other, to haunt the living. AEG Live, for instance, is still battling with his haunting spirit. A lawyer representing the company said, in his closing argument against the suit by Jackson’s family, that Jackson should be held responsible for his death because he is an adult with the privilege of making decision by himself. As the case is now turned to the jury, who knows whether the risen spirit of Jackson will win the case like he won that of his physician, Conrad Murray.
By Ezeiyoke Chukwunonso

reminds me of the song threatened.  :icon_cool:

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Since we know the trial is a hoax, we also know the verdict, whatever it may be, has been predetermined by none other than the alleged victim.  It's fun to watch and guess his next move, but worry is unnecessary at this juncture, I would think. 

But the CA seal is still legit. I don't think we should consider this to be a completely hoaxy trial where everyone is acting.

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When all the work is done and getting ready for the game there's this story: 'There was a wise old man in Montana. There were these kids that always thought that they’re gonna get one over on the wise old man, they never could succeed. 1 day a sparrow fell from a nest. 1 of the boys picked it up and called all his buddies over and said i’m gonna fool the old man. This we gonna do: "okay, wise old man i’m hold my hands out like this and i’ll ask him:  is this bird dead or is the bird alive? If he says the bird is dead I’m gonna open my hand and if he says he’s alive I’m gonna crush it in my hand. There’s no way he’s gonna get on us this time. And they went up there: and they said: "okay, wise old man is the bird alive or is the bird dead?" And he looks and he said: " lads, the fate of the bird is in your hands". Ladies and gentlemen the fate of Prince Michael, Paris, Blanket and Katherine Jackson is in your hands.

I think Panish' bird dead or alive story is interesting to say the least  :icon_e_wink:

By saying interesting do you want to say this story is hoaxy. I can't see why it is.]
can you elaborate?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: gwynned on September 28, 2013, 07:50:11 AM

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Since we know the trial is a hoax, we also know the verdict, whatever it may be, has been predetermined by none other than the alleged victim.  It's fun to watch and guess his next move, but worry is unnecessary at this juncture, I would think. 

But the CA seal is still legit. I don't think we should consider this to be a completely hoaxy trial where everyone is acting.


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I didn't think we established that the Seal is legit.  But even if that's the case, how can a  trial be 'legitimate' if even some of the participants are acting?  If it IS legit, is Michael's reach into government such that he can now use an official seal to conduct business?  That would be amazing if true.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Thriller4ever on September 28, 2013, 10:49:24 AM
Michael is still dead to the world. I don't think he's having any relation with the government as of now. Katherine Jackson and Michael's kids definitely know he's alive. So yes, they are 'acting' as if they do need the compensation. I don't really know about AEG and their role in this trial.

The CA seal has 31 stars. I don't think we require any other proof to say it is legit. I mean think about the People V. Conrad Murray trial. The seal there had 32 stars. No one would have the right to question about the CA seal in that trial because it's fake in the first place.

And this present trial would be highly criticized (and legally liable, maybe?) if everything and everyone is a sham and especially for using a 'real' CA seal.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on September 28, 2013, 04:42:23 PM
there are 2 versions of the 'real'california seal hanging in the CA. courtrooms, a large one n a smaller one. one has 32 stars n one has 31 stars. the one with 32 is a manufactoring mistake. mj doesnt need a seal with an extra star to pull off his hoax legally. all he needs is an excellent team of lawyers.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Thriller4ever on September 29, 2013, 12:23:51 AM
Bec, are you saying that ALL courtrooms in California are having two seals where the smaller one has 32 stars...how can all courtrooms have a manufacturing mistake in the smaller seal?
I'm not sure if i understood that part clearly.

And if MJ doesn't have any back up from government, using the the seal with an extra star, sure is not a very important clue/detail, but, imo, does have its own significance.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on September 29, 2013, 06:44:52 AM
yes thats what im saying. how can the official seal contain a manufactoring mistake? not sure except to say people make mistakes n shit happens sometimes. i dont think it has any significance n possibly no one even noticed before we all sat n dutifully counted stars during murrays trial.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on September 29, 2013, 08:06:54 AM
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When all the work is done and getting ready for the game there's this story: 'There was a wise old man in Montana. There were these kids that always thought that they’re gonna get one over on the wise old man, they never could succeed. 1 day a sparrow fell from a nest. 1 of the boys picked it up and called all his buddies over and said i’m gonna fool the old man. This we gonna do: "okay, wise old man i’m hold my hands out like this and i’ll ask him:  is this bird dead or is the bird alive? If he says the bird is dead I’m gonna open my hand and if he says he’s alive I’m gonna crush it in my hand. There’s no way he’s gonna get on us this time. And they went up there: and they said: "okay, wise old man is the bird alive or is the bird dead?" And he looks and he said: " lads, the fate of the bird is in your hands". Ladies and gentlemen the fate of Prince Michael, Paris, Blanket and Katherine Jackson is in your hands.

I think Panish' bird dead or alive story is interesting to say the least  :icon_e_wink:

By saying interesting do you want to say this story is hoaxy. I can't see why it is.]
can you elaborate?

Yes, it could be a story related to the hoax. It depends on how you interpret this story. But that's with stories, it's just how you WANT to interpret it.
Anyway, this is my interpretation:

The kids represent AEG. The old man represents your conscience, your belief. The bird represents truth/Michael.

AEG wants to fool your conscience, your belief by twisting/manipulating the truth. It's up to YOU (the jury) to let yourself manipulated and getting fooled by lies but know that you (jury) are responsible for the fate of Michael, Mrs Katherine, Paris, Prince Michael and Blanket.

I have faith that truth will prevail.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Thriller4ever on September 29, 2013, 11:02:01 AM
@Bec, but fans counted and it turned out to be 32 stars, and that info is all over. 

@everlasting, thank u !
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on September 29, 2013, 03:16:27 PM
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When all the work is done and getting ready for the game there's this story: 'There was a wise old man in Montana. There were these kids that always thought that they’re gonna get one over on the wise old man, they never could succeed. 1 day a sparrow fell from a nest. 1 of the boys picked it up and called all his buddies over and said i’m gonna fool the old man. This we gonna do: "okay, wise old man i’m hold my hands out like this and i’ll ask him:  is this bird dead or is the bird alive? If he says the bird is dead I’m gonna open my hand and if he says he’s alive I’m gonna crush it in my hand. There’s no way he’s gonna get on us this time. And they went up there: and they said: "okay, wise old man is the bird alive or is the bird dead?" And he looks and he said: " lads, the fate of the bird is in your hands". Ladies and gentlemen the fate of Prince Michael, Paris, Blanket and Katherine Jackson is in your hands.

I think Panish' bird dead or alive story is interesting to say the least  :icon_e_wink:

By saying interesting do you want to say this story is hoaxy. I can't see why it is.]
can you elaborate?

Yes, it could be a story related to the hoax. It depends on how you interpret this story. But that's with stories, it's just how you WANT to interpret it.
Anyway, this is my interpretation:

The kids represent AEG. The old man represents your conscience, your belief. The bird represents truth/Michael.

AEG wants to fool your conscience, your belief by twisting/manipulating the truth. It's up to YOU (the jury) to let yourself manipulated and getting fooled by lies but know that you (jury) are responsible for the fate of Michael, Mrs Katherine, Paris, Prince Michael and Blanket.

I have faith that truth will prevail.



Me too am sure that true will prevail  :moonwalk

Thanks for sharing your thoughts... totally agree   :icon_razz: :moonwalk_:  :bearhug:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on September 29, 2013, 05:53:28 PM
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@Bec, but fans counted and it turned out to be 32 stars, and that info is all over.


Yes, what are you trying to say?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on September 30, 2013, 01:26:26 AM
We made it into Wiki! Re the stars:

The number of stars/Conrad Murray trialWhen live television coverage of the Conrad Murray trial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Conrad_Murray) of 2011 went to break, a seal, most likely located in the courthouse
where the trial took place, was shown. It was soon discovered that this
seal had thirty-two stars instead of the proper thirty-one. This error
was interpreted by some as an intentional clue that the trial was a
hoax, Michael Jackson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson) was still alive, and had faked his own death.[38] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_of_California#cite_note-38)[39] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_of_California#cite_note-39) However, even seals found in government buildings are not immune to
error: a thirty-eight star seal was on display at the San Diego County
courthouse from 1889 until its demolition in 1959 -- seventy years![40] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_of_California#cite_note-40) -- and the seal sculpted into the tympanum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tympanum_%28architecture%29) of the 1928 Stanley Mosk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Mosk) Library and Courts I building in Sacramento, where the Supreme Court of California (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_California) sits while in the capital, shows twenty-one stars. Within the
California State Capitol itself, the seals carved into the secretary's
desk on the Senate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_State_Senate) floor and the clerk's desk on the Assembly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_State_Assembly) floor, both in use since 1870, contain only thirteen stars. And so the
thirty-two star seal shown during the proceedings cannot be used as
evidence that the trial was a hoax.In fact, an incorrect number of stars had been a widespread problem for some time. "Numerous reproductions of the seal are found in
well-known books and other widely circulated printed matter which show
thirty-two stars instead of thirty-one," wrote the Los Angeles Times (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Times) in 1937.[41] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_of_California#cite_note-41) In 1914, seals were found to have as few as eleven, and as many as thirty-eight, stars.[42] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_of_California#cite_note-42) A version of the seal showing thirty-eight stars appeared on the title
page of the 1887, 1889, 1893, 1895 (the 1895 edition also showed a
thirty-two star on page 299[43] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_of_California#cite_note-43)), and 1899 editions of the California Blue Book, a publication of the Office of the Secretary of State (the custodian of
 the Great Seal). No seal appeared on the title page of the 1903 or 1907
 editions. Strangely, a thirty-one star seal was used in the 1909
edition, but the publication went back to thirty-eight stars in 1911 and
 1915, then settled on thirty-one in 1924.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_of_California
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on September 30, 2013, 02:05:59 AM
That is brilliant! Well done bec and others who figured it out!!!  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on September 30, 2013, 07:47:27 AM
I learned it from TS/_comments, no credit should be given to me.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Thriller4ever on September 30, 2013, 08:56:17 AM
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@Bec, but fans counted and it turned out to be 32 stars, and that info is all over.


Yes, what are you trying to say?

I'm saying that the number of stars is significant, and it does matter.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on September 30, 2013, 11:24:45 AM
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@Bec, but fans counted and it turned out to be 32 stars, and that info is all over.


Yes, what are you trying to say?

I'm saying that the number of stars is significant, and it does matter.

How can that be alleged when it's been established that the seal hanging in CA courtrooms has many times contained an incorrect # of stars over the years and @current, presiding over perfectly legitimate, and very real cases?

It's just a piece of metal or epoxy; just a decoration. Like wall art. It has no bearing on the legitimacy or legality of events which occur within the walls of the establishment.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Thriller4ever on September 30, 2013, 01:06:42 PM
oh wow....and i've been thinking that everything that exists in the courtroom affects its legitimacy. 

alright then bec, now i know what the whole point is.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on September 30, 2013, 05:37:26 PM
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I learned it from TS/_comments, no credit should be given to me.

Whoops! Sorry bec, thanks TS/comments if ur still out there....
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: angel on September 30, 2013, 10:38:16 PM
CNN aired a LiveEvent/Special Sunday night, Sept. 29,  "AC360 Special Presents Michael Jackson: The Final Days".  It was an update on previous specials by the same name, and included recent developments.  Here is a link to the transcript. 

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1309/29/
 
Sorry, this link is not working.  If I find another one, I will post it later.  :icon_e_smile:   

Ok, let's try this again.     http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/se.html
(Just click on the listing for Sept. 29)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on October 01, 2013, 07:00:35 AM
Thanks Angel, that seems like a reasonably good summary of the trial.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on October 01, 2013, 06:00:57 PM
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Thanks Angel, that seems like a reasonably good summary of the trial.


Agree  :icon_razz: Thanks Angel  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on October 02, 2013, 06:45:14 AM
What jurors have to decide in Michael Jackson death trial and verdict to be broadcasted live on CNN

(http://www.legendarymichaeljackson.nl/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/20131001-231241.jpg)

A high school football coach is leading the jurors who will decide if a concert promoter is liable in the death of Michael Jackson. The jury in the five-month-long trial has worked only about seven hours since deliberations began Thursday afternoon, since they took Monday off. They return to court Tuesday.

The 12 jurors must first answer the question: Did AEG Live hire Murray? The company’s lawyers contend Michael chose Murray, who had treated him for three years as a family physician, but Jackson lawyers argue the promoters chose to negotiate their own contract with the doctor so they could control him.

A so-called “smoking gun” e-mail sent by AEG Live Co-CEO Paul Gongaware 11 days before Michael died said, “We want to remind (Murray) that it is AEG, not MJ, who is paying his salary. We want to remind him what is expected of him.” The Jacksons also point to a television interview soon after Michael died in which AEG Live CEO Randy Phillips said AEG Live “hired” Murray.

If jurors say yes to the hiring question, then deliberations turn to the questions of negligence. Were AEG Live executives negligent in dealing with Murray and did their negligence contribute significantly to Michael Jackson’s death?

AEG Live lawyers argue they had no way of knowing that Murray — licensed to practice in four states and never sued for malpractice — was a risk to Michael. According to AEG Michael was a secretive drug addict who kept even his closest relatives in the dark about his use of propofol to sleep, they contend.

Jackson lawyers contend the company’s agreement with Murray created a medical conflict of interest that led him to break his Hippocratic Oath to do no harm. Murray, who was $1 million in debt, was pressured to deliver the risky treatments or else possibly lose the $150,000 monthly salary, they argue.

Executives ignored a series of warning signs that Michael was at risk in his last weeks, including deteriorating health that included weight loss, inability to perform his trademark dances or remember lyrics to his standard songs, and paranoia, the Jacksons argue.

A sleep expert testified that the nightly propofol infusions robbed Michael of vital REM sleep, which caused the deterioration.

Blame and damages

If jurors reach a decision that AEG Live is liable, then they’ll consider other questions to determine how much in damages the promoter must pay Katherine, Prince, Paris and Blanket Jackson.

Jackson lead lawyer Brian Panish suggested a range between $1 billion and $2 billion to replace the earnings lost by Michael’s death at age 50 and the non-economic — or personal — damages from the loss of a father and son. The damage award, however, would be reduced by the percentage of blame jurors decide Michael Jackson shares in his death. The Jackson lawyer suggested in closing arguments Thursday that they assigned 20% of the liability to Jackson.


Engaged jurors

Jurors appeared engaged and entertained through 21 weeks of the trial, which included dramatic testimony by Michael’s mother, son and former wife. Several jurors even applauded at the end of testimony by famed choreographer-director Kenny Ortega.

Their first notes to the judge Friday indicated that Juror No. 6 had been chosen as presiding juror — or foreman. He is a high school physical education teacher who heads to the football field after each day of court to coach a team. They also asked for 12 copies of the written contract AEG Live sent to Murray, a copy of the “This Is It” film — which documents Michael’s last rehearsals — and a DVD player.

A Jackson lawyer suggested outside of court that it would be a good sign for his side If deliberations last more than a few days — since it indicates jurors have moved past the key initial questions.

CNN’s camera will be in the courtroom when a verdict is read. Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos approved the network’s request last week to televise the closing arguments and verdict. She refused a request in April to allow cameras in court for the opening and testimony phase.

http://www.legendarymichaeljackson.nl/news/what-jurors-have-to-decide-in-michael-jackson-death-trial-and-verdict-to-be-broadcasted-live-on-cnn/?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Thriller4ever on October 02, 2013, 12:37:11 PM
Valerie Wass speaks about KJ v. AEG Trial


Quote
Michael Jackson trial: Conrad Murray's lawyer weighs in


DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- Inside Men's Central Jail, Conrad Murray is in the final month of his incarceration, finishing a two-year term for involuntary manslaughter in the death of Michael Jackson. His official release date is Oct. 28.

"For him, every night is an eternity," said Murray's appeals lawyer Valerie Wass.

Wass says Murray has been following the five-month civil case in which jurors are asked if concert promoter AEG Live hired him, and if so, were they negligent in supervising him.

Wass believes the jury may get stuck on the second question on the verdict form, which is essential for the Jackson attorneys to prove to win the lawsuit. The question is: "Was Conrad Murray unfit or incompetent to perform the work for which he was hired?"

Wass say Murray's understanding of the work for which he was hired was to treat Jackson's dehydration after laborious performances.

"There was no mention of any sleep issues or addiction issues or addiction issues or anything like that. In fact my client has maintained all along that he did not know about Jackson's addiction and that Jackson kept that from him," said Wass.

Wass says Murray's record shows he was fit as an internist to provide basic medical care for Jackson and his family.

The Jackson attorneys assert that AEG created a conflict of interest for Murray and that they should have looked further into the doctor's financial background to find out he was in debt. Wass rejects that reasoning.

"What is the difference if you and I go into a doctor, and a doctor is having financial problems and the doctor recommends surgery? Should we question it because the doctor is having financial difficulties? We wouldn't know that," said Wass. Speaking from jail, Murray maintains he did not deliver the fatal dose of propofol and that he wants the medical board to restore his license. Wass is appealing his conviction.

"I'm pretty certain that if his conviction is affirmed on appeal that he would lose his license. If that doesn't occur, then it will be a fight to prove that what happened was an aberration and not something that speaks of his entire history and ability as a doctor," said Wass.

Meantime, the jury has not reached a verdict in the wrongful death trial. Jurors return on Wednesday to continue deliberations.
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/entertainment&id=9270248 (http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/entertainment&id=9270248)

So does this mean, Valerie is saying AEG hired CM, that she's confident Jury will be stuck at 2nd question, cause the first question is 'did aeg hire murray'
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: paula-c on October 02, 2013, 01:04:06 PM
Quote
he question is: "Was Conrad Murray unfit or incompetent to perform the work for which he was hired?



Devil's advocate. Anyone who looks at the alleged evidence against Murray will tell  that if a doctor is incompetent
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: iLoveyoumore on October 02, 2013, 04:17:41 PM
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20m
VERDICT HAS BEEN REACHED. TO BE READ AT 3:30 pm PT. WE WILL LIVE STREAM IT AT http://www.abc7.com

 :icon_bounce:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Starchild on October 02, 2013, 05:47:43 PM
So the jury ruled that Dr. Murray was competent  :icon_eek: . . . unbelievable. Speechless.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on October 02, 2013, 05:49:08 PM
                   



                                            http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/live


                          VERDICT TO BE READ IN MICHAEL JACKSON WRONGFUL DEATH TRIAL

          Verdict in favor of AEG in Jackson trial: Jury finds that AEG hired Dr Murray, but Murray was not incompetent for job
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: iLoveyoumore on October 02, 2013, 05:51:16 PM
AEG won.
Good for the hoax  :beerchug:
Nobody died.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Sandal8259 on October 02, 2013, 05:58:36 PM
So what we have learned is that AEG Live Hired Dr. Conrad Murray and that he was competent( meaning he knew what he was doing when he was giving Michael the prescription drugs).  A person that is not competent would not know the ramification of giving Michael those " doses". And another thing. Did AEG Live stated that they did not hire Dr. Conrad Murray. But the Jury stated in the verdict that Yes AEG Live did hire Dr. Conrad Murray.  Was Dr. Murray sentence involuntary manslaughter? If that is the case then this verdict here contradict that trial. Because if the Jury believes that Dr. Murray was competent(he know what he was doing) then his sentence should not have been involuntary manslaughter if that was what it was.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on October 02, 2013, 08:07:32 PM
Actually sandal it does make sense. If MJ is 'dead' and Murray is 'competent' then involuntary manslaughter is the correct sentence, because he didnt live up to what he was deemed 'competent' of.



Edit - Hypothetically speaking  :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on October 02, 2013, 11:09:01 PM
Meh.

*yawn*
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Thriller4ever on October 03, 2013, 01:16:48 AM
Quote from: Thriller4ever
So does this mean, Valerie is saying AEG hired CM, that she's confident Jury will be stuck at 2nd question, cause the first question is 'did aeg hire Murray'
 I knew it! 
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on October 03, 2013, 01:36:58 AM
And it took 5 months to give the jury the 'information' to decide this. That's what's unbelievable!  Reckon I could've done it in 5 minutes!

Anyway we're left with the world thinking long time addict MJ, with a little 'help' from Murray, was basically responsible for his own death - which he was, so it's heading in the right direction. Just a small (well, pretty enormous really!) shift in perception now needed by the world at large!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on October 03, 2013, 02:22:04 AM
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So the jury ruled that Dr. Murray was competent  :icon_eek: . . . unbelievable. Speechless.

Well, Mike left us speechless ,many times since 2009 ,no  :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:??
The question's on form's were half ass& tricky, the appointed head of juror even admitted, confused  :icon_e_confused:  :icon_lol:! There should & need's to be a full investigation's on this, something's just NOT right about it! LOL  ;) . Conrad Murray competent  :suspect: :icon_e_confused: :WTF:?!! Then why is MJ dead  :icon_rolleyes:  ,does that look like a competent doc..?!! How did they know Dr. Murray was totally competent  :icon_question:  :icon_e_confused: . They didn't even check his back ground  :icon_geek:. Glad to hear the Jackson's are gear up for an appeal  :) even if,this suppose trial is about the truth and not money  :icon_rolleyes:,BUT why were her attorneys already discussing appeals before the verdict was read?  :icon_eek: :icon_eek:

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on October 03, 2013, 05:28:16 AM
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Meh.

*yawn*

Why *yawn*? aren't you happy KJ lost?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Thriller4ever on October 03, 2013, 06:03:46 AM
No sweet, I think bec was sure of the verdict.

:icon_lol:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on October 03, 2013, 08:59:47 AM
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No sweet, I think bec was sure of the verdict.

:icon_lol:

Oh lol I understand now I think we all were almost sure about it, right?? :icon_e_wink: :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on October 03, 2013, 09:12:07 AM
can someone explain to me this aspect of dropping phillips and gonaware from the suit? was that a motion on the part of kj lawyers that was granted or something the judge just did because evidence did not support?or what? :icon_e_confused: :icon_redface:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: warrior999 on October 03, 2013, 10:08:15 AM
Hello sorry damn gta v i missed it.

I believed it would be today but it was yesterday but I think it is and would be better that they won because when Michael make his BAM it is now more easier without big problems cause I haven´t seen how he could come back if Kathrine had won and would get 1 or even 2 billion and of course the futuristic 40 billions.

Because if it happened Michael would be sued for the "LIE" and for that case as well cause stealing is not right even they stole from him.

But now they can´t sue him cause they won. And now the question would be what comes next we can somehow think that they pushed it in the direction NOW MICHAELS Image and Reputation are again damaged until something changed and if like it is he is still alive I don´t believe he hide much more longer or even til real death cause the people not all god thanks would believe he as an addict and as one which is his own fault of life ends like that.

Thats a point which only HE can erase with our helps as well I DON´T BELIEVE IN THAT STORY he only was painkiller addicted time agos don´t buy the other stuff no one should.

Maybe the put their fingers in the way that we could understand it as MICHAEL has killed himself (to mention with some word to DEATH called HOAX DEATH HOAX Michael killed Michael and Michael resurrected as MICHAEL again for beating the liars up. So hope the truth comes further to reveal and we will see good things come our ways.

Because if he really is gone then the last few years were very strange and creepy out surreal that cannot be it would be totally sad nuts if they treated him that nasty unrespected etc. so it´s all with LOVE FAITH LOVE HOPE is stronger looking forward to the good parts  :bearhug: :omg: :abouttime: :'( :-*
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: warrior999 on October 03, 2013, 10:21:19 AM
and its very odd that the JURY THINKS MURRAY is an competent Doctor REALLY  :omg: :WTF: only if he helped MJ to escape then he really is competent that could be the key note point here thats the reason why michael really had him as doctor maybe they really wanted to kill him with the cheaper doctor????? who knews???

But it is interesting what happened Murray officially are free soooonn (unofficially already never was ?? caged)


looking for some new information scary times but Halloween is coming soon ???? and again remember remember the fifth of november. MICHAEL I MISS U SO MUCH HOPE THE KIDS ARE WELL PARIS OF COURSE EVEN AFTER THE LOSS. :-* :-\ :'( :bearhug:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: bec on October 03, 2013, 10:37:32 AM
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Meh.

*yawn*

Why *yawn*? aren't you happy KJ lost?

Not happy or unhappy, I'm bored. I was hoping for something interesting with the verdict. But as it were, it's a snooze-fest. I'm growing old over here.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on October 03, 2013, 03:20:33 PM
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Meh.

*yawn*

Why *yawn*? aren't you happy KJ lost?

Not happy or unhappy, I'm bored. I was hoping for something interesting with the verdict. But as it were, it's a snooze-fest. I'm growing old over here.

However I wasn't waiting for something interesting to happen except the verdict itself because what Michael wants is to catch us off guard.
And now of course KJ will want to appeal the case so I am afraid this will be a never ending story because remember that Wade trial is set for Jun 2014, who will be patient to wait until everything is done?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on October 03, 2013, 05:02:42 PM
OK.........    :icon_rolleyes: Murry should get out of prison on October 28,,,,  :animal0017: we just have to see what happens after this verdict .... :icon_e_ugeek: :confused:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on October 03, 2013, 06:00:46 PM
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Meh.

*yawn*

Why *yawn*? aren't you happy KJ lost?

Not happy or unhappy, I'm bored. I was hoping for something interesting with the verdict. But as it were, it's a snooze-fest. I'm growing old over here.

However I wasn't waiting for something interesting to happen except the verdict itself because what Michael wants is to catch us off guard.
And now of course KJ will want to appeal the case so I am afraid this will be a never ending story because remember that Wade trial is set for Jun 2014, who will be patient to wait until everything is done?

Anyway I heard it's a hearing date not trial date so...
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on October 03, 2013, 06:22:03 PM
Katherine Jackson’s Contingent Fee Lawyers Lose $484M Payday In Failed Michael Jackson Death Trial

If Katherine Jackson is the biggest loser in the failed wrongful death lawsuit against concert promoter AEG Live, her team of high-powered and high-priced lawyers are a VERY close second.

Brian Panish and Kevin Boyle had hoped to score a whopping 33 percent of the $1.6 billion in damages they’d asked the jury to award the King of Pop’s family, RadarOnline.com is exclusively reporting.

That equates to more than $484 million.

“Panish and Boyle had taken on the case on a contingency, meaning, they wouldn’t charge her, but would have taken a third of any award the jury had given Michael’s mother,” a source close to the case told RadarOnline.com.

PHOTOS: Katherine Jackson Holds Memorial For King Of Pop In His Hometown

“For the jury to not award one penny to Katherine means her lawyers walk away with nothing. Plus, Katherine does not have to pay her lawyers anything.”

Added the legal insider, “It was a huge gamble for Katherine’s lawyers and unfortunately for them, they lost.”

Had the Los Angeles-based lawyers billed the Jackson family matriarch on an hourly basis, the legal bill would have exceeded $15-20 million, the source added.

“This case was filed over three years ago and there were hundreds of depositions taken, expert witnesses to be paid, all which came out of the pocket of Katherine’s lawyers,” the source said.

PHOTOS: Michael Jackson Through The Years

After three days of deliberations, a jury on Wednesday cleared AEG Live of liability in the 2009 death of Michael Jackson, a few weeks before his 50-concert London comeback was to begin.

In the lawsuit, Jackson’s 83-year-old mother and three children — Prince Michael, Paris and Michael — had alleged that AEG was to blame for the King of Pop’s death because it was negligent in the hiring and supervision of the doctor, Conrad Murray, who gave Jackson a fatal dose of the anesthetic proposal.

AEG successfully argued that Jackson had a history of abusing drugs, including the anesthetic. He was responsible for his own death, they claimed.


It’s standard practice in California for lawyers that take cases on a contingency basis to take 33% of any settlement or jury award.

PHOTOS: Shocking Evidence Found In Michael Jackson’s Bedroom

While Katherine is coming to terms with the verdict, “she is already being pressured by youngest son, Randy, to appeal the decision,” a Jackson family insider told Radar.

“But Katherine’s lawyers are now heavily in the red on this case, it would seem unlikely they would continue to represent her if she is persuaded to appeal. The fact the decision was unanimous also doesn’t bode well for Katherine’s chances of mounting a successful appeal.”

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/10/michael-jackson-wrongful-death-biggest-loser-lawyers-owed-millions/
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on October 03, 2013, 06:25:08 PM
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Meh.

*yawn*

Why *yawn*? aren't you happy KJ lost?

Not happy or unhappy, I'm bored. I was hoping for something interesting with the verdict. But as it were, it's a snooze-fest. I'm growing old over here.

However I wasn't waiting for something interesting to happen except the verdict itself because what Michael wants is to catch us off guard.
And now of course KJ will want to appeal the case so I am afraid this will be a never ending story because remember that Wade trial is set for Jun 2014, who will be patient to wait until everything is done?

Anyway I heard it's a hearing date not trial date so...

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/screenvkv.png)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on October 04, 2013, 02:32:03 AM
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Not happy or unhappy, I'm bored. I was hoping for something interesting with the verdict. But as it were, it's a snooze-fest. I'm growing old over here.

I know what you mean bec. Even Murray (who normally provides, dare I say the word, 'entertainment' for me) has become predictable with his post event 'statements'. Why can't we just leave eh??!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Adore on October 04, 2013, 04:05:43 AM
That's sad.

In the end, what was accomplished with this trial, even if it was part of the hoax ? Michael still responsible for his "death", so the stigma "he died as a drug addict" is now cemented. Not to mention that the childmo subject was once again hot during this trial, and it will get hotter next year ... Great, isn't it ?! So where is the vindication, name clearing etc etc ?

Oh well, the whole hoax is in a sad place for months now. What BAM ? I think I should officially join the "Elvis' believers - aka the BAM that never happened" club LOL

 :bearhug:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Snoopy71 on October 04, 2013, 05:27:08 AM
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(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/screenvkv.png)


This from Twitter;

XXX XXXXXX XXXX‏@XXXXXXXXX  29 Sep
@chantalrobson news said that the court hs set the date for Wade next year. I wish him all the best. Be strong & Love here from Indonesia


Chantal Robson‏@chantalrobson  1 Oct
@XXXXXXXXX it's actually not true. The article was wrong. But thank you
.



I'm guessing not....now that there is no big payday from the AEG lawsuit.  :icon_e_confused:


....greed falls on his arse yet again... :ghsdf:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on October 04, 2013, 05:46:20 AM
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Meh.

*yawn*

Why *yawn*? aren't you happy KJ lost?

Not happy or unhappy, I'm bored. I was hoping for something interesting with the verdict. But as it were, it's a snooze-fest. I'm growing old over here.

However I wasn't waiting for something interesting to happen except the verdict itself because what Michael wants is to catch us off guard.
And now of course KJ will want to appeal the case so I am afraid this will be a never ending story because remember that Wade trial is set for Jun 2014, who will be patient to wait until everything is done?

Anyway I heard it's a hearing date not trial date so...

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Correct   :)!!See this:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,23832.msg447587.html#msg447587 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,23832.msg447587.html#msg447587)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on October 06, 2013, 08:12:09 AM
Katherine Jackson's Lawyer Warns, "This Ain't Over Yet"
by Michael West | 04 October 2013

Katherine Jackson isn't going down without a fight. Another fight.
Katherine Jackson's lawyer Brian Panish has acknowledged that his client is "obviously disappointed" at losing the $1.5 billion damages case against concert promoter AEG, though told the New York Daily News, "There's going to more to this story."
"She's obviously disappointed, but she's a very strong woman," lead plaintiff's lawyer Brian Panish said on Thursday, "She's been through a lot in life, and she's doing the best she can. She only wants what is best for Michael's children, who are her No. 1 priority," he added.
He called the five-month trial "a search for the truth" that likely didn't end with Wednesday's verdict, which acknowledged that AEG Live did in fact hire Dr Conrad Murray as Michael Jackson's doctor, though that they were not responsible for his death.
"AEG denied it all along, but the truth was that AEG hired the doctor who killed Michael Jackson," he noted.
"Conrad Murray had a license, he graduated from an accredited college, and we felt he was competent to do the job of being a general practitioner," said jury foreman Gregg Barden, suggesting that AEG were not negligent in hiring Murray, "Now that doesn't mean that we thought he was ethical. Had the word 'ethical' been in the question, it could have been a different outcome."
Though the thought of a retrial appears unthinkable, Panish hinted that the jury's findings would encourage Katherine Jackson to fight on.
"There's going to be more to this story. I don't think it's over yet," he said.
Katherine's personal lawyer Perry Sanders called the lawsuit "a shakedown," adding, "Such a statement is a slap in the face of the entire judicial system that allowed this case to get to a jury."
http://www.contactmusic.com/article/katherine-jackson-aeg_3892017
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on October 06, 2013, 09:49:46 AM
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He called the five-month trial "a search for the truth" that likely didn't end with Wednesday's verdict

Katherine Jackson is obviously searching for the truth and this obviously hasn't ended yet, so the article is correct.

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: marumjj on October 06, 2013, 07:12:54 PM
I think it is obvious, that the verdict should be appealed.
The jury finds that AEG had an agreement with CM, but at the same time says CM is responsible for its function to treat MJ.
In fact this trial was very important, with respect to hoax (at least for me) everything here discussed is that MJ is a junkie and that CM was chosen by MJ.
All we could see the famous mails, where it is clear that pressured AEG to MJ, to do something that he did not want.
We also have to remember that Sony, not deliver all required tests TII. Sony and AEG we sold a version acceptable to the public, but maybe there are more shows that MJ was abused and neglected their requests (costume designers, makeup) to name a few.   >:(
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on October 07, 2013, 03:18:38 AM
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Katherine Jackson's Lawyer Warns, "This Ain't Over Yet"
by Michael West | 04 October 2013

Katherine Jackson isn't going down without a fight. Another fight.
Katherine Jackson's lawyer Brian Panish has acknowledged that his client is "obviously disappointed" at losing the $1.5 billion damages case against concert promoter AEG, though told the New York Daily News, "There's going to more to this story."
"She's obviously disappointed, but she's a very strong woman," lead plaintiff's lawyer Brian Panish said on Thursday, "She's been through a lot in life, and she's doing the best she can. She only wants what is best for Michael's children, who are her No. 1 priority," he added.
He called the five-month trial "a search for the truth" that likely didn't end with Wednesday's verdict, which acknowledged that AEG Live did in fact hire Dr Conrad Murray as Michael Jackson's doctor, though that they were not responsible for his death.
"AEG denied it all along, but the truth was that AEG hired the doctor who killed Michael Jackson," he noted.
"Conrad Murray had a license, he graduated from an accredited college, and we felt he was competent to do the job of being a general practitioner," said jury foreman Gregg Barden, suggesting that AEG were not negligent in hiring Murray, "Now that doesn't mean that we thought he was ethical. Had the word 'ethical' been in the question, it could have been a different outcome."
Though the thought of a retrial appears unthinkable, Panish hinted that the jury's findings would encourage Katherine Jackson to fight on.
"There's going to be more to this story. I don't think it's over yet," he said.
Katherine's personal lawyer Perry Sanders called the lawsuit "a shakedown," adding, "Such a statement is a slap in the face of the entire judicial system that allowed this case to get to a jury."
http://www.contactmusic.com/article/katherine-jackson-aeg_3892017


Ever ,of course This Ain't Over Yet ,remember  ;) ? The Best is Yet to Come  :icon_e_wink: .
Meantime,I really liked what juror number 27 had to say about MJ  :-* :):

 
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/130590-Verdict-Reached-AEG-NOT-Liable-Discussion-Katherine-Jackson-vs-AEG/page66?p=3914073&viewfull=1#post3914073 (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/130590-Verdict-Reached-AEG-NOT-Liable-Discussion-Katherine-Jackson-vs-AEG/page66?p=3914073&viewfull=1#post3914073)
 
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Originally Posted by Victory22 View Post
It is increasingly alarming to me how many people seem to be losing the ability to analyze facts critically. It’s scary how any illogical theory or conspiracy theory can be thrown up and people will believe it without paying any attention to the facts. Randy and the Jackson's have done a good job of messing with the minds of MJ's fans.

 Juror#27 :
I couldn't agree more with the bolded. It's practically an epidemic as far as I'm concerned.

I was on this jury, and of all the places I've seen where this is being talked about, this community seems by far to be the most level-headed and approachable. So many passionate MJ fans rationally discussing the verdict rather than lashing out in anger is very nice to see, and makes me think this is probably the best place for me to make a small statement.

Initially I planned to avoid and ignore all the comments about the verdict after the trial ended. Because as soon as we answered 'no' to question 2 in the jury room, I knew how it would be reported and misunderstood ("DURR STUPID JURY HOW CAN CONRAD MURRAY BE FIT AND COMPETENT WHEN HE IS IN JAIL FOR KILLING MJ??? DURRR"). And sure enough, the very first question asked by the media when we got outside was "How could you find Conrad Murray competent?" And of course a bunch of hardcore MJ supporters outside were yelling, calling us stupid and confused, etc. So I figured rather than getting annoyed at misinformation being spread or seeing us called morons ad nauseam, it'd be better to just ignore it all.

Well that lasted about a day before my curiosity got the better of me, and I had to peek around to see what people were saying. I had to see if that version of us as idiots was the main narrative going on. Thankfully most people commenting on the verdict are actually looking at what we were instructed to consider, and agree with our decision. We knew from day 1 that no matter the outcome we would have people agreeing and disagreeing with the verdict, and I'm thankful that this jury did not concern itself with what people would say or think about us and decided to follow the instructions and base our verdict on the evidence in the case.

Just like our jury foreman, I went into this trial about as neutral as one could be towards Michael Jackson. I was 7 when Thriller came out so I grew up with his music and loved it, but I knew very little about his life other than what I'd seen in the media, and I honestly had no strong feelings about him as a person either way. I walk out of this trial completely understanding why he has so many fans who practically deify him. Who are so strongly attracted to his kind spirit, huge heart, gentle nature, love of his children and mother, etc. I totally get it now.

Every single witness who was questioned about whether they thought MJ was a good father (and almost every one who knew him closely was asked) sang endless praises about his love of his kids. If Prince's testimony is any indication, MJ was definitely a great father. The kid is bright, intelligent, caring, has great character and a great personality, and I truly believe MJ did a phenomenal job raising him in the few years he was able to. Honestly, every single juror came away feeling very positive about Michael Jackson as a person and father.

I know there was concern about MJ's image being hurt because of this trial, and maybe to outside viewers it was because of some of the details that came out. But for us in the jury in that courtroom for all these months, we just grew more and more fond of him during the course of the trial.

I'd like to say thank you to all the people I've seen here supporting us jurors in our decision, it really means a lot. I will be happy to answer anything I can about the trial if you'd like to ask and if I am able.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on October 09, 2013, 04:12:08 AM
Katherine Jackson ‘Isn’t Throwing In The Towel’ Just Yet Says Attorney

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Michael Jackson’s mom was heartened by a private conversation with the jury that rejected her billion dollar wrongful death lawsuit and told her lawyer late Thursday that she supports his research into an appeal.

“She isn’t throwing in the towel,” Katherine Jackson’s lead trial lawyer Brian Panish told the Daily News Friday after his meeting with the matriarch.

“She feels that the jurors ended the trial really liking Michael,” he said, confirming that Katherine was inside the judge’s locked courtroom when both sides spoke with the six men and six women immediately after their verdict was read.

“One question asked of the jury was, ‘What was your impression of Michael?’ And they said it was way better after hearing what a great father he was and how much he did for humanity,” Panish said. “They understood he struggled but that he really did his best.”

The Los Angeles jury that sat through the five-month trial decided Wednesday that defendant AEG Live – the promoter of Michael’s doomed “This Is It” comeback concerts – did in fact hire Dr. Conrad Murray but shouldn’t be held liable for the physician’s actions because he was neither “unfit” nor “incompetent.”

Jurors said in media interviews that they were aware many wouldn’t understand their decision, but they believed Murray was competent at the time of his hiring – with a valid license and no malpractice claims – and that AEG had no reason to suspect he’d go rogue with surgery-style anesthesiology.

Panish said Michael’s oldest son Prince, 16, was mystified by that portion of the verdict.

“Prince is doing okay,” Panish said, recounting a conversation with him Thursday. “He said he felt good about the jury finding that AEG hired Dr. Murray but didn’t understand their answer to the second question – as many of us don’t.”

Panish said his team is now setting up individual interviews with the jurors and planning to meet with outside appellate lawyers to make a decision on a possible appeal in the next 30 days.

“We can’t give up until we gather all the information. Today is another chapter,” Panish said Friday.

AEG’s lead lawyer said Wednesday that the jury’s verdict “completely vindicates” his client.

“Although Michael Jackson’s death was a terrible tragedy, it was not a tragedy of AEG Live’s making,” lawyer Marvin Putnam said.

He said outside court that he hoped Katherine would forgo an appeal.

“Sadly, the children have been through a lot,” he said. “In many measures, I hope for their sake that there isn’t an appeal.”

He said AEG “loved and cared for” Michael.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/ (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/)

Is Putnam freakin’ serious  :WTF:  ? Plealuzzze  :icon_rolleyes:! They didn’t care anything about Michael  :icon_geek:!!

Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on October 09, 2013, 06:06:58 AM
I am so confused about all this AEG trial mess that if there will be an appeal it will take much more months and so BAM is endangering unless the appeal is due 30 days and it brings us to Nov 9 that it's more or less when I think BAM might happen after I was making the following calculations:

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/screenlcl.png)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/screenqgq.png)

In both cases it says: 25 years + 4 months + 27 days so if we calculate 4 years + 4 months + 27 days it brings us to Nov 21 as possible BAM's day (21=777+thursday same day MJ died).
I know I shouldn't be making calculations for a possible BAM but I just can't help it since this is being a long wait.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on October 18, 2013, 09:36:48 AM
Roger Friedman: Jackson family will not only appeal but will also ask for new trial

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Roger Friedman began his Showbiz411 column in April 2009 after 10 years with Fox News. He writes for Parade magazine and has written for Details, Vogue, the New York Times, Post, and Daily News and many other publications. Friedman has proved to be well informed when it comes to the Jackson family.

His latest column not only reveals the Jackson family will appeal but that they are evn going to ask for a new trial!

The family of Michael Jackson lost their wrongful death suit against AEG Live, but the story isn’t over. I am told that the family will not only appeal the jury decision, but they will file for a new trial as well. That’s right, there could be a Trial 2.0, dragging everyone and everything back through the courts.

The word is that the Jacksons’ lead lawyer, Brian Panish (photo), already has a law firm that specializes in appeals writing the documents now. But it’s not just an appeal. They will also ask the court for a do- over based on the jury getting wrong marching orders or misunderstanding the questions they received to make their deliberations.

Separately Panish appeared on an internet radio this week where he talked a little bit about the case and the potential appeal. He doesn’t actually say anything, but I am told definitively that Jackson v. AEGLive is not over, at least not for the Jacksons. Panish says Katherine Jackson was happy that it was proved that AEG hired the doctor that killed Michael Jackson. But remember the jury decided that AEG hired a doctor. They didn’t know, and no one did, that he’d kill Jackson.

http://www.legendarymichaeljackson.nl/news/roger-friedman-jackson-family-will-not-only-appeal-but-will-also-ask-for-new-trial/?

This is not finished yet and BAM seems to be far away if this news is for real.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on October 18, 2013, 05:51:46 PM
  @ sweetsunsetwithMJ

  This is not finished yet and BAM seems to be far away if this news is for real.



                                   (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Confus/H_12SH%7E1.GIF)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on October 19, 2013, 11:24:19 AM
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  @ sweetsunsetwithMJ

  This is not finished yet and BAM seems to be far away if this news is for real.



                                   (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Confus/H_12SH%7E1.GIF)

Blankie please don't tell me that you lose your faith now  :icon_question:  :( ?? This is not finished because lol,believe me when I say,this is just the begining  :) .Rememeber? We are going in circles, BACK,where we started  .Just as a round table has no end, neither L.O.V.E. has an..... END .It has no END or BEGINING.....cause it's FOREVER  :-*  :)!!!!!
Be strong,in fact I wish you all alot of strength  :-* and LOVE  :bearhug: !!!!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on October 19, 2013, 05:56:16 PM
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  @ sweetsunsetwithMJ

  This is not finished yet and BAM seems to be far away if this news is for real.



                                   (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Confus/H_12SH%7E1.GIF)

Blankie please don't tell me that you lose your faith now  :icon_question:  :( ?? This is not finished because lol,believe me when I say,this is just the begining  :) .Rememeber? We are going in circles, BACK,where we started  .Just as a round table has no end, neither L.O.V.E. has an..... END .It has no END or BEGINING.....cause it's FOREVER  :-*  :)!!!!!
Be strong,in fact I wish you all alot of strength  :-* and LOVE  :bearhug: !!!!



I'll never lose my faith in Mike dear apple...  :moonwalk_:also because for me the bam is not important  :moonwalk_:and I'm sure that soon mike will give us some clues...waiting for Murray out of jail...then we'll have fun ....for sure !!!  :woohoo2:

Love you apple  :bearhug:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on October 22, 2013, 12:34:21 AM
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  @ sweetsunsetwithMJ

  This is not finished yet and BAM seems to be far away if this news is for real.



                                   (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Confus/H_12SH%7E1.GIF)

Blankie please don't tell me that you lose your faith now  :icon_question:  :( ?? This is not finished because lol,believe me when I say,this is just the begining  :) .Rememeber? We are going in circles, BACK,where we started  .Just as a round table has no end, neither L.O.V.E. has an..... END .It has no END or BEGINING.....cause it's FOREVER  :-*  :)!!!!!
Be strong,in fact I wish you all alot of strength  :-* and LOVE  :bearhug: !!!!



I'll never lose my faith in Mike dear apple...  :moonwalk_:also because for me the bam is not important  :moonwalk_:and I'm sure that soon mike will give us some clues...waiting for Murray out of jail...then we'll have fun ....for sure !!!  :woohoo2:

Love you apple  :bearhug:

Blankie ,for me is not important also,because he  STILL gives us CLUES,from anyplace he is lol  ;) .Two days ago , my brother was looking at some film animation, which is entitled Despicable Me 2.As you know, we already have had some clues in Megamind movie ,too  :icon_e_wink:.
Now, in this film we have once again the big  M/El Macho,the FAKE DEATH theme,The Moon subject,3 little children  :-* and some famous MJ dance/moves:


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so4nqKPwQj8
[/youtube]

This movie is Wondeful ,with big W lol  :icon_lol:.Enjoy  :moonwalk_:!!!!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on October 22, 2013, 08:09:08 AM
Then, appelehead, you don't want this hoax to end?? you don't wanna see how Michael clears his name once and for all and vindicates all the wrongs that have been righted?? you don't wish to see Michael in the flesh and witness he is well?? this is not a game it's something very serious I don't think Michael is gonna entertain us for the rest of our lives, he deserves to be free from his hiding and enjoy   his life forever and ever.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on October 22, 2013, 05:02:40 PM
@: sweetsunsetwithMJ

My only wish, and I think is the same for we all  :icon_razz: , is the best for Michael , he deserves so much, and see again his wonderful  smile would be a greatest joy ...

                               

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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: applehead250609 on October 23, 2013, 03:35:19 AM
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Then, appelehead, you don't want this hoax to end?? you don't wanna see how Michael clears his name once and for all and vindicates all the wrongs that have been righted?? you don't wish to see Michael in the flesh and witness he is well?? this is not a game it's something very serious I don't think Michael is gonna entertain us for the rest of our lives, he deserves to be free from his hiding and enjoy   his life forever and ever.

Sweet,the most important thing for me is Michael's happiness and that he is together with his kids and people who loves him.Everything else is secondary.
And, in what concerns the people who harmed him ,don't worry: What goes around, comes around,cause karma a bitch  :icon_cool: .
Enjoy YOUR life every day Sweet  :bearhug:.Be with your family and LOVE them  :) .
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: marumjj on October 23, 2013, 05:54:11 AM
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Then, appelehead, you don't want this hoax to end?? you don't wanna see how Michael clears his name once and for all and vindicates all the wrongs that have been righted?? you don't wish to see Michael in the flesh and witness he is well?? this is not a game it's something very serious I don't think Michael is gonna entertain us for the rest of our lives, he deserves to be free from his hiding and enjoy   his life forever and ever.

Sweet,the most important thing for me is Michael's happiness and that he is together with his kids and people who loves him.Everything else is secondary.
And, in what concerns the people who harmed him ,don't worry: What goes around, comes around,cause karma a bitch  :icon_cool: .
Enjoy YOUR life every day Sweet  :bearhug:.Be with your family and LOVE them  :) .

We all have a duality of thought, first MJ we all want, is well and enjoying a quiet life. But on the other hand need a BAM desperately to see him again, to scream: Michael I love you! , See his hand waving to his fans ...
applehead, I love the small, with socks .... I need to MJ!
This video was shared yesterday on facebook
Michael Jackson back to Life!!
http://www.voathai.com/media/video/1774293.html (http://www.voathai.com/media/video/1774293.html)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: RK on December 12, 2013, 08:06:46 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/12/12/showbiz/michael-jackson-new-trial-motion/ (http://edition.cnn.com/2013/12/12/showbiz/michael-jackson-new-trial-motion/)

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Los Angeles (CNN) -- Four jurors in the Michael Jackson wrongful death trial said they feel cheated by the outcome, which they blame on a misleading verdict form.
The six-month-long trial ended in October with a victory for AEG Live, the concert promoter Jackson's mother and children had claimed was liable for his death because it hired, retained or supervised the doctor convicted of involuntary manslaughter in the death.
The jurors, whose sworn statements were attached to a motion for a new trial filed Thursday by Katherine Jackson's lawyers, said most of the jury wanted to find concert promoter AEG Live liable in Jackson's 2009 death.
Along with arguing that the verdict form was faulty, the Jackson lawyers contend the judge erred by refusing to let them pursue a negligence claim independent of the hiring case.
AEG not liable in Michael Jackson's death, jury finds
Jackson died from an overdose of the surgical anesthetic propofol on June 25, 2009, which Dr. Conrad Murray told police he used to treat the pop icon's insomnia as he prepared for a tour produced by AEG Live.
They jurors used the words "stunned," "upset" and "shocked" when they were told they had to stop deliberations after a majority agreed that the answer was "no" to the second question on the verdict form -- "Was Dr. Conrad Murray unfit or incompetent to perform the work for which he was hired?"
One juror called the question "a trap that prevented us from deliberating on the real issues of the case."
"After sitting through almost six months of the trial in this case, I believed that Mrs. Jackson had proven her case against AEG LIve," another juror said. "Despite this fact, I had no way of voting in favor of the plaintiffs because of the way that the verdict form was worded."
Jackson lawyers, in their arguments for a new trial, contend that Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazeulos erred by denying their request to add the words "at any time" to the question.
The four jurors, whose names were redacted from the documents released by the court, agreed.
"I would like the judge to know that we did not have the opportunity to deliberate or render a verdict on the plaintiffs claims that Dr Murray did not become unfit or incompetent until after the conflict of interest was created, Dr. Murray's duties were changed, pressures were mounting, or even after the contract was prepared and signed by Dr. Murray," one juror said.
The jury voted "no" only after one member convinced them that the question could have only meant "at the time he was hired," two of the juror statements said.
Conrad Murray talks about Michael Jackson's death
"During our deliberations, I asked to send a question to the judge to explain Question 2, but by then the foreman had already answered 'no' and followed the instructions to sign the form," one said. "I feel so cheated because I sat through five months of trial and listened to a lot of evidence on the ethical conflict created -- yet I never got to even deliberate at all on that issue or even review the hundreds of exhibits that had been brought in."
Another juror said they decided not to ask the judge for direction on the second question because "we did not want anyone to know where we were in deliberations."
"I do not believe that the verdict form was fair or worded incorrectly, and as phrased, Question 2 was a trap that prevented us from deliberating on the real issues of the case," a juror said.
The same juror described the emotional toll it has caused. "Since the jury verdict, I have been very upset, and initially I was unable to eat or even check my e-mails because I was so sorry about the verdict and the fact that justice was not done in this case, because of how question 2 on the verdict form was worded."
"I do not think that justice was achieved in this case," another said.
The affidavits revealed that one of the 12 jurors refused to stop deliberating despite being told it was over. "He insisted that we continue answering the rest of the questions," a juror said.
Judge Palazeulos will hear arguments on the new trial motion on January 3.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on December 13, 2013, 02:30:48 AM
Thanks for posting this ^^^ RK.  Interesting that certain jurors are airing their grievances now, after they've given their verdict, and after KJ's lawyers have had a chance to speak to and influence them. Should've stood up for themselves at the time, and not allowed themselves to be railroaded into a hasty decision if they really weren't happy with it.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: RK on December 13, 2013, 05:24:46 AM
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Thanks for posting this ^^^ RK.  Interesting that certain jurors are airing their grievances now, after they've given their verdict, and after KJ's lawyers have had a chance to speak to and influence them. Should've stood up for themselves at the time, and not allowed themselves to be railroaded into a hasty decision if they really weren't happy with it.

Agreed. They should have stuck with  their convictions.  This is  like watching  The Never Ending Story.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: blankie on December 13, 2013, 05:07:03 PM
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Thanks for posting this ^^^ RK.  Interesting that certain jurors are airing their grievances now, after they've given their verdict, and after KJ's lawyers have had a chance to speak to and influence them. Should've stood up for themselves at the time, and not allowed themselves to be railroaded into a hasty decision if they really weren't happy with it.

Agreed. They should have stuck with  their convictions.  This is  like watching  The Never Ending Story.

Uh..uh... this is beautiful....  :ghsdf: really the Never Ending Story   :icon_razz:

Thanks for sharing RK  :bearhug:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on December 15, 2013, 03:00:14 PM
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http://edition.cnn.com/2013/12/12/showbiz/michael-jackson-new-trial-motion/ (http://edition.cnn.com/2013/12/12/showbiz/michael-jackson-new-trial-motion/)

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Los Angeles (CNN) -- Four jurors in the Michael Jackson wrongful death trial said they feel cheated by the outcome, which they blame on a misleading verdict form.
The six-month-long trial ended in October with a victory for AEG Live, the concert promoter Jackson's mother and children had claimed was liable for his death because it hired, retained or supervised the doctor convicted of involuntary manslaughter in the death.
The jurors, whose sworn statements were attached to a motion for a new trial filed Thursday by Katherine Jackson's lawyers, said most of the jury wanted to find concert promoter AEG Live liable in Jackson's 2009 death.
Along with arguing that the verdict form was faulty, the Jackson lawyers contend the judge erred by refusing to let them pursue a negligence claim independent of the hiring case.
AEG not liable in Michael Jackson's death, jury finds
Jackson died from an overdose of the surgical anesthetic propofol on June 25, 2009, which Dr. Conrad Murray told police he used to treat the pop icon's insomnia as he prepared for a tour produced by AEG Live.
They jurors used the words "stunned," "upset" and "shocked" when they were told they had to stop deliberations after a majority agreed that the answer was "no" to the second question on the verdict form -- "Was Dr. Conrad Murray unfit or incompetent to perform the work for which he was hired?"
One juror called the question "a trap that prevented us from deliberating on the real issues of the case."
"After sitting through almost six months of the trial in this case, I believed that Mrs. Jackson had proven her case against AEG LIve," another juror said. "Despite this fact, I had no way of voting in favor of the plaintiffs because of the way that the verdict form was worded."
Jackson lawyers, in their arguments for a new trial, contend that Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazeulos erred by denying their request to add the words "at any time" to the question.
The four jurors, whose names were redacted from the documents released by the court, agreed.
"I would like the judge to know that we did not have the opportunity to deliberate or render a verdict on the plaintiffs claims that Dr Murray did not become unfit or incompetent until after the conflict of interest was created, Dr. Murray's duties were changed, pressures were mounting, or even after the contract was prepared and signed by Dr. Murray," one juror said.
The jury voted "no" only after one member convinced them that the question could have only meant "at the time he was hired," two of the juror statements said.
Conrad Murray talks about Michael Jackson's death
"During our deliberations, I asked to send a question to the judge to explain Question 2, but by then the foreman had already answered 'no' and followed the instructions to sign the form," one said. "I feel so cheated because I sat through five months of trial and listened to a lot of evidence on the ethical conflict created -- yet I never got to even deliberate at all on that issue or even review the hundreds of exhibits that had been brought in."
Another juror said they decided not to ask the judge for direction on the second question because "we did not want anyone to know where we were in deliberations."
"I do not believe that the verdict form was fair or worded incorrectly, and as phrased, Question 2 was a trap that prevented us from deliberating on the real issues of the case," a juror said.
The same juror described the emotional toll it has caused. "Since the jury verdict, I have been very upset, and initially I was unable to eat or even check my e-mails because I was so sorry about the verdict and the fact that justice was not done in this case, because of how question 2 on the verdict form was worded."
"I do not think that justice was achieved in this case," another said.
The affidavits revealed that one of the 12 jurors refused to stop deliberating despite being told it was over. "He insisted that we continue answering the rest of the questions," a juror said.
Judge Palazeulos will hear arguments on the new trial motion on January 3.

Thanks for posting RK.
Indeed this ain't over yet.

Here's a link about the filed motion dated December 12th:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/191359618/Jackson-Motion-for-New-Trial
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on January 13, 2014, 05:20:04 PM
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Judge Rejects Bid for New Michael Jackson Trial
LOS ANGELES January 14, 2014 (AP)
By ANTHONY McCARTNEY AP Entertainment Writer
 Associated Press

A judge has refused to grant a new trial in a lawsuit by Michael Jackson's mother against the promoter of his ill-fated comeback concerts.

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos ruled Monday that there isn't any basis to re-try Katherine Jackson's suit against AEG Live LLC.

A jury determined in October that AEG Live was not liable for Jackson's June 2009 death despite hiring the doctor who was convicted of giving the superstar an overdose of a powerful anesthetic.

Lawyers for the Jackson family matriarch argued that jurors were given an improper verdict form that didn't allow them to consider all issues in the case after five months of testimony last year.

AEG's lawyers argued that there was no mistake in the verdict form.

 
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/judge-rejects-bid-michael-jackson-trial-21519320

 

I'm curious on what basis Judge Palazuelos ruled that there isn't any basis for a new trial.  :suspect:
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: RK on April 14, 2014, 07:25:33 PM
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_25564788/judge-michael-jacksons-mom-should-pay-costs (http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_25564788/judge-michael-jacksons-mom-should-pay-costs)


LOS ANGELES (AP) — Michael Jackson's mother should pay more than $800,000 in trial costs to a concert promoter that she targeted in a failed negligent hiring lawsuit involving the death of her son, a judge said Monday.
Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos issued the tentative ruling calling on the Jackson family matriarch to pay AEG Live LLC after it won the case.

The five-month trial ended in October with a jury determining that AEG Live did not negligently hire the doctor convicted of causing Michael Jackson's death in 2009 as he prepared for a comeback tour.

The ruling is expected to be finalized after AEG Live submits an amended list of its costs for items such as court filing fees, court reporters and travel. Attorneys for the company and Katherine Jackson agreed not to argue Palazuelos' tentative ruling, but it might be appealed.

Katherine Jackson's attorney Kevin Boyle said a decision on appealing the order would be made after reviewing its final language. The verdict and rulings in the case are currently being appealed.

AEG Live initially sought more than $1.2 million to cover its costs. Katherine Jackson's lawyers claimed only about a quarter of that amount was justified.

AEG Live attorney Marvin Putnam said the court did the right thing "by ordering Katherine Jackson to pay nearly $1 million spent in having to defend a matter that she should have never brought in the first place."

A motion filed by her lawyers last week stated that the costs would be borne by her and the singer's three children, all of whom are supported by his estate.

The estate has earned hundreds of millions of dollars since the singer's death and paid off his debts. It also covers schooling, housing and other costs for his children and mother.

Jackson died in June 2009 after receiving an overdose of the anesthetic propofol, which former cardiologist Conrad Murray was giving the superstar as a sleep aid during preparations for his planned "This Is It" shows. Murray was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter.

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Anthony McCartney
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: luvandmissumike on April 15, 2014, 07:05:55 AM
it's a shame this 80+ yr old women has to go thru all this stress
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on May 29, 2014, 08:25:12 AM
There have been some recent updates on the court docket: http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/dockets.cfm?dist=2&doc_id=2061332&doc_no=B252411

I thought this was all over .. apparently not.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: iamhere4mj on December 19, 2014, 12:12:33 AM
This will continue into 2015:

http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/dockets.cfm?dist=2&doc_id=2061332&doc_no=B252411

07/28/2014   Respondent's appendix & brief filed.   Defendant and Respondent: AEG LIVE LLC
Attorney: Jessica Lyn Stebbins
Attorney: Marvin Stanley Putnam
 Defendant and Respondent: Anschutz Entertainment Group, Inc.
 Defendant and Respondent: Brandon Phillips
 Defendant and Respondent: Paul Gonaware
 Defendant and Respondent: Timothy Leiweke     ONE VOLUME of APPENDIX
07/29/2014   Default notice for responsive filing fee sent to:  Counsel for respondents AEG Live etc
07/29/2014   Letter sent to:  E-Notice re lack of original signature on Respondent's Appendix
07/29/2014   Filed document entitled:  Master index for reporter's transcripts
07/30/2014   Filing fee.   Responsive filing fee by Counsel for respondents AEG Live etc
08/01/2014   Filed proof of service.  Original Signature for proof of service of Respondent's Appendix.
08/18/2014   Errata filed to:  Errata filed to respondent's brief
09/16/2014   Appellant's reply brief.  Plaintiff and Appellant: Katherine Jackson
Attorney: Margaret M. Grignon
 Plaintiff and Appellant: Michael Joseph Jackson, Jr.
Attorney: Margaret M. Grignon
 Plaintiff and Appellant: Paris-Michael Katherine Jackson
Attorney: Margaret M. Grignon
 Plaintiff and Appellant: Prince Michael Jackson, II
Attorney: Margaret M. Grignon  Brief extended by +30 days when respondent's brief was filed.
 
09/16/2014   Case fully briefed.       
09/26/2014   Filed document entitled:   Amended Master Index which includes volume numbers for Reporter's Transcripts by counsel for appellant Jackson.
09/26/2014   Motion filed.  For leave to file surreply brief by counsel for respondents AEG et al.
09/30/2014   Order filed.  The motion filed with this Court September 26, 2014, for leave to file surreply brief by counsel for respondents AEG et al. is denied.
10/01/2014   e-Brief received.   Two copies filed by ReedSmith
11/17/2014   Calendar notice sent electronically. Calendar date:   December 9, 2014 at 11:00 AM
11/18/2014   Request to continue oral arg - to court.  Appellant's request to continue argument to January 2015
11/19/2014   Response filed:   Respondent's response to appellant's request to continue argument
11/19/2014   Reply filed to:   Appellant's reply to respondent's response to appellant's request to continue argument
11/20/2014   Grant request to continue oral argument.  Appellant's request to continue argument is granted. The above-entitled matter is rescheduled for January 22, 2015 at 9:00 a.m.
11/20/2014   Calendar notice sent electronically. Calendar date:    January 22, 2015 at 09:00 AM
11/24/2014   Request for oral argument filed by:  Marvin S. Putnam, counsel for respondent [for January 22, 2015 date]
11/25/2014   Request for oral argument filed by:  Gringon for appellant Jackson [for January 22, 2015 date]
12/02/2014   Calendar notice returned with proof of service.  All calendar notices received.

Love you Michael!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: RK on January 24, 2015, 08:15:38 AM
And here we go again....maybe

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-2922123/Court-hears-arguments-Jackson-concert-promoter-lawsuit.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-2922123/Court-hears-arguments-Jackson-concert-promoter-lawsuit.html)
Court hears arguments on Jackson concert promoter lawsuit
By ASSOCIATED PRESS
PUBLISHED: 09:16 EST, 23 January 2015 | UPDATED: 09:16 EST, 23 January 2015


LOS ANGELES (AP) — Lawyers for Michael Jackson's mother argued Thursday for a new trial in her case against concert promoter AEG Live LLC, but faced a skeptical panel of appellate justices who focused on the superstar's relationship with the doctor convicted of killing him.
Attorneys for Katherine Jackson appealed a jury's verdict finding that AEG Live was not financially responsible for the singer's June 2009 death. They contend that the trial court judge incorrectly dismissed negligence and employment claims before the trial, and jurors were given an improper verdict form and instructions.
The trial spanned more than five months in 2013 with testimony that focused on the relationship between Jackson, AEG and Dr. Conrad Murray, who was convicted of involuntary manslaughter for giving the singer a lethal dose of the anesthetic propofol.
Much of the questioning from the appellate justices focused on Jackson's relationship with Murray, the details of the cardiologist's contract drafted by AEG, and who was paying the physician's $150,000 a month fee to care for Jackson as he prepared for his ill-fated "This Is It" comeback concerts.
The panel noted that Murray treated Jackson before the concerts were planned and questioned whether the doctor's fee would be reimbursed by Jackson after the shows.
Associate Justices Sandy Kriegler and Richard M. Mosk questioned how AEG could have known that Murray was giving Jackson treatments of propofol.
"What is the fault of AEG in this?" Kriegler asked Jackson attorney Margaret Grignon toward the end of the hourlong arguments. "I'm just lost in all of this.
"They just don't seem to have any knowledge of any of this," Kriegler said.
Mosk said it would be one thing if AEG suspected Murray was giving Jackson painkillers or traditional sleep drugs. "Isn't it a stretch to go from that to propofol, which is beyond the pale."
Grignon countered that it was a decision that a jury should answer.
AEG attorney Marvin Putnam said the case hinged on whether the concert promoter could have foreseen that Murray was giving Jackson propofol in the singer's bedroom. The drug is supposed to be administered solely in hospital settings.
"Everyone in the world, not just AEG, learned about propofol because of this tragic death," Putnam told the panel.
Grignon however argued that AEG inserted itself into Jackson's medical care, allowed the doctor to set the singer's rehearsal schedule and controlled Murray's actions, which a jury should be allowed to consider.
"This is not a case where AEG simply agreed to pay Mr. Jackson's personal physician to accompany him on tour," Grignon argued.
Katherine Jackson did not attend Thursday's arguments.
The justices did not state when they would issue a ruling. Two justices must agree on the decision.
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Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: iamhere4mj on January 24, 2015, 03:43:41 PM
Thanks for posting this RK!

I find it odd that the appellate justices focused on the relationship between Michael and Murray; just because you have known someone for years doesn't mean one of them couldn't or wouldn't try hurting the other one. In another part of the article it also stated that the trial had  focused on the relationship with Michael, AEG and Murray; the singer, promoter and the Dr.

The last part of the article states this:

Mosk said it would be one thing if AEG suspected Murray was giving Jackson painkillers or traditional sleep drugs. "Isn't it a stretch to go from that to propofol, which is beyond the pale."

If you recall how Michael was acting at rehearsals those were signs of someone on 'something other than propofol'. Propofol wouldn't make a person act that way or give the symptoms that Michael had. Why wasn't Murray questioned more at that meeting at Michael's house since everyone was so concerned that Michael was missing rehearsals.

So why was propofol used as to what killed Michael Jackson? Why didn't he die of a drug overdose?

The very last part of the article says this:

Grignon however argued that AEG inserted itself into Jackson's medical care, allowed the doctor to set the singer's rehearsal schedule and controlled Murray's actions, which a jury should be allowed to consider.

"This is not a case where AEG simply agreed to pay Mr. Jackson's personal physician to accompany him on tour," Grignon argued.



And that is exactly what Karen Faye had testified to when she talked about the past tours.

One other thought. If this moves forward will this have an effect on Murray's appeal? Will that be resurrected?


Love you Michael!




Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: suspicious mind on January 24, 2015, 06:28:18 PM
a little off topic: the other day carlo riley posted something to the effect of hoping the estate would do something with black or white video to i guess edit out wade robson . that made me wonder if something new had come along on this front or is he just now( i can not imagine it)  hearing about this? has anyone heard anything?
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: curls on January 26, 2015, 02:49:30 AM
Jackson vs AEG Live - appellate arguments
A summary of arguments to a California appeals court by lawyers for Michael Jackson's mother. Katherine Jackson is seeking a new trial in her negligent hiring lawsuit against AEG Live, the promoters of her son's ill-fated "This Is It" concert. I was the only reporter to cover the entire session.
by(http://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/464851097899638784/87vyk0jV_bigger.jpeg)Anthony McCartney (https://storify.com/mccartneyAP) 3 days ago 205 Views

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Link to the rest of the post with all his tweets from the session: https://storify.com/mccartneyAP/jackson-vs-aeg-live-appellate-arguments

...and his Twitter: https://twitter.com/mccartneyap
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: iamhere4mj on January 31, 2015, 11:07:32 PM
I took a look at the tweets and thought this was interesting.

Anthony McCartney        ✔   @mccartneyAP 
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Putnam said Question 2 was specifically requested by Katherine Jackson’s lawyers, and appeared exactly as they wanted it on the verdict.


Anthony McCartney        ✔   @mccartneyAP 
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“This is precisely what they requested,” Putnam said of the verdict form’s Question 2. “They did not object at all to this one.
1:54 PM - 22 Jan 2015

So what was question # 2?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/03/us-michaeljackson-verdict-idUSBRE99216K20131003

Was the physician convicted in 2011 of involuntary manslaughter in the singer's death, Conrad Murray, "unfit or incompetent to perform the work for which he was hired?"

That question was the second in a series of 16 posed to the jury as the case was turned over to the 12-member panel for deliberations last week.

According to jury foreman Gregg Barden, the wording of question No. 2 was a curve ball that gave the jury's six women and six men pause before they returned the verdict absolving concert promoter AEG Live of negligently hiring Murray, the physician who administered a fatal dose of the surgical anesthetic propofol to Jackson.

"We started looking at the wording of it and realized everybody was not comfortable with that," Barden explained to reporters outside of a Los Angeles courthouse following Wednesday's verdict.

"We spent the morning clarifying the question in our minds and to each other, and again votes changed," Barden added. "I'd say at least three or four times (votes changed) before we were able to come to the final tally."



So the jury actually thought that a Dr. giving propofol outside of a hospital setting was fit and competent?



Love you Michael!
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: RK on February 28, 2015, 06:04:51 PM
Katherine is headed to the Supreme Court.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/michael-jackson-mom-lawsuit-calif-supreme-court-article-1.2132288 (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/michael-jackson-mom-lawsuit-calif-supreme-court-article-1.2132288)
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on March 02, 2015, 07:00:50 AM
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Katherine is headed to the Supreme Court.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/michael-jackson-mom-lawsuit-calif-supreme-court-article-1.2132288 (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/michael-jackson-mom-lawsuit-calif-supreme-court-article-1.2132288)

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"Katherine very much misses her son, and she very much would like to see justice done and is hoping for a favorable result," he said.

 
I'm hoping with her and I very much would like to see justice done.

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"The jury saw that AEG was in no way negligent in the tragic death of Michael Jackson. And nothing done today or in the papers changes that," he said. [Putnam]

 

Well I believe that things may change, because truth will prevail after all  :judge-smiley: :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile



LOVE to you all
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: Do on March 02, 2015, 08:51:59 AM
I just don't understand. Why, if Michael is still alive, is Katherine heading to Court again for another shot at her megabucks wrongful death claim against concert promoter AEG Live. It is just not making sence to me.
Title: Re: Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012
Post by: ShyBleuEyes on March 02, 2015, 02:13:50 PM
It could be AEG is a mayor spill in trying to get MJ down in the past, and MJ came to insight that they tried to get the doctor under pressure maybe he wants to learn them a lesson, a expensive lesson. if he didn't get out that day he certainly would have died..
AEG have to admit they were very responsable for the extortion.
Maybe it's a lesson for all the artists who had  the same sort of conditions aswell.

but it's just my thought.
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