Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: thrillerdancinmachine on February 06, 2012, 01:43:58 AM
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What thoughts does everyone have on the dark, weird Illuminati ritual vibe in Madonna's superbowl performance, vs MJ's in 93, so full of light and love? It goes without saying that Michael outclasses Madonna and has the real magic and talent that she was always just a cheap, tawdry imitation of. I compared the 2 after the Superbowl, imagining how mind-blowing "This is It" in London would have been. But we know what a visionary genius MJ is, and how the world is being united in a way it couldn't be before he "died." Didn't this come off to anyone else that way?
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I've already stated my opinion in TIAI thread.
I totally agree with you.
There is no way the 2 performances can be compared.
Michael is an angel comparing to Madonna. His message was full of love and light, reflecting his passion for the healing the world cause. All my respect and love goes to him.
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Nobody can beat our Michael michael-jackson/
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Did you know that it was the Cirque du soleil (the same team as for the immortal tour) who help Madonna to stage the superbowl show? They talked about it all week here. It was a demand from Madonna to have this team...
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I thought it was a pretty cool performance actually.
Interesting about having the Cirque team help.
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Did you know that it was the Cirque du soleil (the same team as for the immortal tour) who help Madonna to stage the superbowl show? They talked about it all week here. It was a demand from Madonna to have this team...
Thank you for this extra info bearhug !!! Wow I knew it :shock: :mrgreen: .Madonna was super,really COOL actually 8-) and after Michael's show from 1993 this is the second in my Super Bowl chart /bravo/ !!!!!!!
LUV and WORLD PEACE for all bearhug !!!!!
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michael jackson was a thousand times more humble, gave signal to the fans hugged and portals, madonna is arrogance in person., it is optimal as an artist but as a person ... :( you saw how she treats her brothers? she is not worried about Anthony Ciccone.
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Do any of you know Madonna!? She works hard, goes to sleep by 9PM, gets up like 5AM - 6AM. Very dedicated to performing.
And please - don't compare Michael & her - like comparing apples & oranges. JUST because you've heard/seen a few things in the MEDIA, the same ones who portrayed Michael in a horrifying light, doesn't mean anything when it comes to her, either.
I actually went and saw the show, and feel that I should add Pilates to my workout, wow! WOW! That's all I can say about her!
Nothing to do with this fake Illuminati crud with her.
Remember this: Where do I live? Hollywood. That means that since I've been here, I've most likely met everyone at least once - more, if I liked them. Never saw any indication of any overlords, just a bunch of partying fans on one extreme, and then on the other hand, people like Michael & Madonna, who actually took care of themselves.
Madonna doing the Superbowl Halftime gig at over 50, marvelously. Need I say more? :D
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Do any of you know Madonna!? She works hard, goes to sleep by 9PM, gets up like 5AM - 6AM. Very dedicated to performing.
And please - don't compare Michael & her - like comparing apples & oranges. JUST because you've heard/seen a few things in the MEDIA, the same ones who portrayed Michael in a horrifying light, doesn't mean anything when it comes to her, either.
I actually went and saw the show, and feel that I should add Pilates to my workout, wow! WOW! That's all I can say about her!
Nothing to do with this fake Illuminati crud with her.
Remember this: Where do I live? Hollywood. That means that since I've been here, I've most likely met everyone at least once - more, if I liked them. Never saw any indication of any overlords, just a bunch of partying fans on one extreme, and then on the other hand, people like Michael & Madonna, who actually took care of themselves.
Madonna doing the Superbowl Halftime gig at over 50, marvelously. Need I say more? :D
Agree. I don't think Madonna's half time and Michael's half time performance can be compared.
They were both brilliant in their own rights and in different ways.
Her performance was amazing and she also looks amazing and so healthy. She will be 54 this year.....all kudos to her I reckon.
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Did you know that it was the Cirque du soleil (the same team as for the immortal tour) who help Madonna to stage the superbowl show? They talked about it all week here. It was a demand from Madonna to have this team...
Here's the link to MJ's Superbowl. Madonna's is dark, robotic, creepy, unhuman, and decadent, and her energy is like watching a mediocre high school talent contest with no passion and actually awkward so-called "dancing." After that, Michael's is like a ray of sunshine and hope, and even though the effects were spectacular for the time, it was the drama and inner magnetism of Michael's mere presence and every move that drove the audience nuts, and magic just flew out of him you can't get from pyrotechnics. He spoke with humbleness and devotion and created a message of love, with the whole audience participating and holding hands as human beings, connected and sharing another great moment WITH him. There's a far cry between Madonna's gyrating on a stripper pole level of entertainment and the mastery and visionary deep spiritual humanity infused in everything Michael achieved. No one could move people to do what Michael did.
I'm just sayin. I performed in Vegas to Michael and Janet's choreography since the time of Thriller and Michael was always revered within the industry as untouchable and almost godlike, the epitome of talent, while Madonna was not taken seriously by professionals because she couldn't sing and was unoriginal in her dancing. Like Janet said, basically, 'I could stand out in the street naked and people would pay attention too, but that's not talent." But her trashy antics became the lowest common denominator that the masses got conditioned to, and it got more and more decadent from there. Michael has always been a true artist from the great musical legacies and traditions, and brought class to his work and rose the standard for all to aspire to. I was backstage with the original cast of Cirque. Show business is run by Illuminati, Zionists, and mobsters like Mottola who Michael was surrounded by, and as we all know, he spoke out against them and resisted them. Madonna, it should be clear to anyone who followed her from her beginnings, is a tool for them. This performance I found soulless and self-serving, and full of ritualistic symbols. What was that "Love Madonna Y.O.U." ego-gratification trip? Michael's was an expression of individuality and a clear purpose to give and uplift others. People have forgotten performing is not supposed to be an orgy of gratification, but an intimate connection to our hearts that leaves us better than we were before. I hope this link works to Michael's halftime.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idg8TNknvDU&feature=related
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Wasn't it after Michael's superbowl performance that the alegations begun? I always felt there was a connection between the message of love he managed to convey to the whole world via this performance and the efforts to bring him down soon after...
What do you think??? :-|
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Wasn't it after Michael's superbowl performance that the alegations begun? I always felt there was a connection between the message of love he managed to convey to the whole world via this performance and the efforts to bring him down soon after...
What do you think??? :-|
I felt the same.
That's no coincidence.
No matter what some of you guys say, I just don't like Madonna. Don't like her. Period.
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Did you know that it was the Cirque du soleil (the same team as for the immortal tour) who help Madonna to stage the superbowl show? They talked about it all week here. It was a demand from Madonna to have this team...
Here's the link to MJ's Superbowl. Madonna's is dark, robotic, creepy, unhuman, and decadent, and her energy is like watching a mediocre high school talent contest with no passion and actually awkward so-called "dancing." After that, Michael's is like a ray of sunshine and hope, and even though the effects were spectacular for the time, it was the drama and inner magnetism of Michael's mere presence and every move that drove the audience nuts, and magic just flew out of him you can't get from pyrotechnics. He spoke with humbleness and devotion and created a message of love, with the whole audience participating and holding hands as human beings, connected and sharing another great moment WITH him. There's a far cry between Madonna's gyrating on a stripper pole level of entertainment and the mastery and visionary deep spiritual humanity infused in everything Michael achieved. No one could move people to do what Michael did.
I'm just sayin. I performed in Vegas to Michael and Janet's choreography since the time of Thriller and Michael was always revered within the industry as untouchable and almost godlike, the epitome of talent, while Madonna was not taken seriously by professionals because she couldn't sing and was unoriginal in her dancing. Like Janet said, basically, 'I could stand out in the street naked and people would pay attention too, but that's not talent." But her trashy antics became the lowest common denominator that the masses got conditioned to, and it got more and more decadent from there. Michael has always been a true artist from the great musical legacies and traditions, and brought class to his work and rose the standard for all to aspire to. I was backstage with the original cast of Cirque. Show business is run by Illuminati, Zionists, and mobsters like Mottola who Michael was surrounded by, and as we all know, he spoke out against them and resisted them. Madonna, it should be clear to anyone who followed her from her beginnings, is a tool for them. This performance I found soulless and self-serving, and full of ritualistic symbols. What was that "Love Madonna Y.O.U." ego-gratification trip? Michael's was an expression of individuality and a clear purpose to give and uplift others. People have forgotten performing is not supposed to be an orgy of gratification, but an intimate connection to our hearts that leaves us better than we were before. I hope this link works to Michael's halftime.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idg8TNknvDU&feature=related
I agree with you.
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(http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Respect/respect-chapeau.gif) Chapeau bas Madonna!! the Artist!! (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Respect/emoticones-msn-bravo.gif)
She did a great job!
I always loved Madonna, her music, her shows, her videos!
She's really a great artist, great entertainer!
She's a beautiful woman, very original and very courageous to show a sexy , even vulgar side, without being dis-gracious!! She conquered me with her brave optimistic character.
And IMO, Lady Gaga is nothing but a grotesque and poor, pathetic copy of Madonna.
Though:
I will not commit the mistake to compare Michael to Madonna. (or vice-versa)
Nor have I ever compared Elvis to Michael (or vice-versa)
They simply CANNOT be compared!!!
Nevertheless they are all VALUABLE artists and no one, objective enough, can deny this!
On the other hand: I've read and listened to a lot of Madonna interviews! I can't say I like her as a person! She knows her value alright, she always knew what she wanted! Good girl! BUT she was never humble, modest... she's not what I'd call a "lovely character".
That's why I never considered myself a Madonna fan! Just an admirer!
And once I heard Michael saying that Madonna was jealous of him and his success, then I had everything explained! I had the same suspicion: she is really self-centered person and I definitely picture her as a very envious/jealous celebrity in relation to other celebrities! This certainly comes from her natural lack of modesty and humbleness! She lost a LOT because of that! and she is not even aware of it! she will never be because she can't change that , especially because from what I could learn ab out her: she doesn't believe in God either!
I don't know if she's a satanist or an Illuminati puppet! I see her more like an independent person who does only what she wants, I'd rather doubt that she would take any orders from a fanatic leader! But again... I'm not sure about this...I only give my opinion...
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Wasn't it after Michael's superbowl performance that the alegations begun? I always felt there was a connection between the message of love he managed to convey to the whole world via this performance and the efforts to bring him down soon after...
What do you think??? :-|
Exactly.
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I've got to say that she put on a good show, and she's in great shape for her years ect, but it was disturbing for me. And what gave me the heebie jeebies was the very ending of when she was performing Like A Prayer .......she gets to the very last line and she says " I call your name and it takes me home. And she disappears downward from sight as she says he word" home." Visually loaded statement there! :? Very disturbing imagery.
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There is only one Madonna and this is not Louise Veronica Ciccone.
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Did you know that it was the Cirque du soleil (the same team as for the immortal tour) who help Madonna to stage the superbowl show? They talked about it all week here. It was a demand from Madonna to have this team...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgXzMgPYjMo&feature=related
yeah...thats what i thought. madonna's performance was indicative dedication, hardwork, commitment and determination. it was a very well orchestrated performance. I don't think she deserves to be bashed, honestly. She admitted that she was going to be extremely nervous. it's really hard performing in front of fans. michael grew up around a crowd, so from that perspective alone it desensitized him. madonna is cool, and that performance was ecstatic.
Here's the link to MJ's Superbowl. Madonna's is dark, robotic, creepy, unhuman, and decadent, and her energy is like watching a mediocre high school talent contest with no passion and actually awkward so-called "dancing." After that, Michael's is like a ray of sunshine and hope, and even though the effects were spectacular for the time, it was the drama and inner magnetism of Michael's mere presence and every move that drove the audience nuts, and magic just flew out of him you can't get from pyrotechnics. He spoke with humbleness and devotion and created a message of love, with the whole audience participating and holding hands as human beings, connected and sharing another great moment WITH him. There's a far cry between Madonna's gyrating on a stripper pole level of entertainment and the mastery and visionary deep spiritual humanity infused in everything Michael achieved. No one could move people to do what Michael did.
I'm just sayin. I performed in Vegas to Michael and Janet's choreography since the time of Thriller and Michael was always revered within the industry as untouchable and almost godlike, the epitome of talent, while Madonna was not taken seriously by professionals because she couldn't sing and was unoriginal in her dancing. Like Janet said, basically, 'I could stand out in the street naked and people would pay attention too, but that's not talent." But her trashy antics became the lowest common denominator that the masses got conditioned to, and it got more and more decadent from there. Michael has always been a true artist from the great musical legacies and traditions, and brought class to his work and rose the standard for all to aspire to. I was backstage with the original cast of Cirque. Show business is run by Illuminati, Zionists, and mobsters like Mottola who Michael was surrounded by, and as we all know, he spoke out against them and resisted them. Madonna, it should be clear to anyone who followed her from her beginnings, is a tool for them. This performance I found soulless and self-serving, and full of ritualistic symbols. What was that "Love Madonna Y.O.U." ego-gratification trip? Michael's was an expression of individuality and a clear purpose to give and uplift others. People have forgotten performing is not supposed to be an orgy of gratification, but an intimate connection to our hearts that leaves us better than we were before. I hope this link works to Michael's halftime.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idg8TNknvDU&feature=related
I agree with you.
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Did you know that it was the Cirque du soleil (the same team as for the immortal tour) who help Madonna to stage the superbowl show? They talked about it all week here. It was a demand from Madonna to have this team...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgXzMgPYjMo&feature=related
yeah...thats what i thought. madonna's performance was indicative dedication, hardwork, commitment and determination. it was a very well orchestrated performance. I don't think she deserves to be bashed, honestly. She admitted that she was going to be extremely nervous. it's really hard performing in front of fans. michael grew up around a crowd, so from that perspective alone it desensitized him. madonna is cool, and that performance was ecstatic.
Here's the link to MJ's Superbowl. Madonna's is dark, robotic, creepy, unhuman, and decadent, and her energy is like watching a mediocre high school talent contest with no passion and actually awkward so-called "dancing." After that, Michael's is like a ray of sunshine and hope, and even though the effects were spectacular for the time, it was the drama and inner magnetism of Michael's mere presence and every move that drove the audience nuts, and magic just flew out of him you can't get from pyrotechnics. He spoke with humbleness and devotion and created a message of love, with the whole audience participating and holding hands as human beings, connected and sharing another great moment WITH him. There's a far cry between Madonna's gyrating on a stripper pole level of entertainment and the mastery and visionary deep spiritual humanity infused in everything Michael achieved. No one could move people to do what Michael did.
I'm just sayin. I performed in Vegas to Michael and Janet's choreography since the time of Thriller and Michael was always revered within the industry as untouchable and almost godlike, the epitome of talent, while Madonna was not taken seriously by professionals because she couldn't sing and was unoriginal in her dancing. Like Janet said, basically, 'I could stand out in the street naked and people would pay attention too, but that's not talent." But her trashy antics became the lowest common denominator that the masses got conditioned to, and it got more and more decadent from there. Michael has always been a true artist from the great musical legacies and traditions, and brought class to his work and rose the standard for all to aspire to. I was backstage with the original cast of Cirque. Show business is run by Illuminati, Zionists, and mobsters like Mottola who Michael was surrounded by, and as we all know, he spoke out against them and resisted them. Madonna, it should be clear to anyone who followed her from her beginnings, is a tool for them. This performance I found soulless and self-serving, and full of ritualistic symbols. What was that "Love Madonna Y.O.U." ego-gratification trip? Michael's was an expression of individuality and a clear purpose to give and uplift others. People have forgotten performing is not supposed to be an orgy of gratification, but an intimate connection to our hearts that leaves us better than we were before. I hope this link works to Michael's halftime.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idg8TNknvDU&feature=related
I agree with you.
Did you know that it was the Cirque du soleil (the same team as for the immortal tour) who help Madonna to stage the superbowl show? They talked about it all week here. It was a demand from Madonna to have this team...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgXzMgPYjMo&feature=related
yeah...thats what i thought. madonna's performance was indicative dedication, hardwork, commitment and determination. it was a very well orchestrated performance. I don't think she deserves to be bashed, honestly. She admitted that she was going to be extremely nervous. it's really hard performing in front of fans. michael grew up around a crowd, so from that perspective alone it desensitized him. madonna is cool, and that performance was ecstatic.
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There is only one Madonna and this is not Louise Veronica Ciccone.
YES.
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(http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Respect/respect-chapeau.gif) Chapeau bas Madonna!! the Artist!! (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Respect/emoticones-msn-bravo.gif)
She did a great job!
I always loved Madonna, her music, her shows, her videos!
She's really a great artist, great entertainer!
She's a beautiful woman, very original and very courageous to show a sexy , even vulgar side, without being dis-gracious!! She conquered me with her brave optimistic character.
And IMO, Lady Gaga is nothing but a grotesque and poor, pathetic copy of Madonna.
Though:
I will not commit the mistake to compare Michael to Madonna. (or vice-versa)
Nor have I ever compared Elvis to Michael (or vice-versa)
They simply CANNOT be compared!!!
Nevertheless they are all VALUABLE artists and no one, objective enough, can deny this!
Great post,thank you very much Simpa bearhug !!! It's great to see some positivity here,cause of negativity we had alot :( .
I'm sorry to say this but lately I noticed that many speak about Michael's way of dancing,even if they don't even bother to REALLY WATCH HIM DANCE.Of course Michael is a wonderful human being and a very charitable one,but this has nothing,absolutely nothing to do with his STYLE OF DANCING in front of people,especially in tours.He can be sometimes very "aggressive" :shock: geek/ during his performances,but hey I think that all that people have to do is to REALLY watch his shows and stop with some nonsens they are writing over and over again.First of all Michael is a human being,then he is a MAN,do you all hear me???? He is a MAN and he is very proud of that 8-) .He may be an "angel" sometimes,but the "little devil" inside him,can make him do things that you don't even imagine ,lol :-X :mrgreen: .
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There is only one Madonna and this is not Louise Veronica Ciccone.
YES.
Oh come on please....it´s really not her fault that her first name is Madonna, is it?
I really admire her discipline and her purposefulness and determination.
Whether one likes her or not, one should at least grant her that.
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There's nothing a her that makes me feel a good vibration.
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@thrillerdanceinmachine - Me thinks you don't understand a performance using the best of the latest TECHNOLOGY at hand, along with light and shadow, the sun had set. The FLAT SCREENS LIT UP, with plenty of light, in contrast to Madonna and HER DANCERS!
She didn't do that much dancing. Come to think of it, SHE WAS SINGING, so the DANCERS did all the HARD WORK!!
THIS WOMAN IS 54, and kicking most of everyone's ass on here with her singing and dancing, I bet you! Armchair quarterbacking, at the WORST! WORST, I tell you.
And as for the ILLUSION at the end of Like a Prayer once again - I see people inserting their OWN ideas! She was supposed to disappear in MID-AIR, to those watching live, at the Superbowl, HELLO! OF COURSE, this Illusion's busted, and she had to go downward, duh!
Madonna came from a wealthy family, for those who aren't aware. No "alleged Illuminati" involved at all. She paid for voice coaches. She actually improved, and outlasted so many who did drugs, drank themselves to death! Raised her kids...
What kills me? SHE is a huge star in her own right! She's not a dude, ergo no reason for there to ever be any friction between her and Michael. They went out, remember!? We've only heard ONE SIDE of that, correct? From...the MEDIA.
Shame on everyone who's being critical of this wonderful PERFORMER!
Michael wouldn't judge her - he'd be applauding her, for her efforts!
"Judge not, lest ye, yourself be judged." THE BIBLE
If I can look so hot and dance so great at her age, I'd be happy enough! Add in singing, well I can't sing.
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Thrillerdancingmachine
Thank you for your inside view on MJ and Madonna in the business. MJ did have a few things to say about Madonna, and none of them were positive.
I did in fact think her performance was quite creative and well done, especially as Cirque has top level dancers and design people. It was truly professional and eye-catching, but let’s face it, MJ has pure and simple charisma and original creativity/genius. His performance clearly included a pure love message for ALL humanity/children, that may tie in with what we are studying here.
The idea of using “X” in place of Christ is not a modern idea. In the Modern Roman Alphabet, which comes from the Greeks who were before Rome, the first letter of the word “Christ” is “chi” which is represented by a symbol similar to the letter “X.”
X in Ancient Greek is pronounced as the hard “ch.” The Greek Chi or X is the first letter in the Greek word Christos as in Iesus Christos aka Jesus Christ. You will frequently see people write Xmas, as well as Xian, which means Christian, using the same principle.
Chi is written as an “X” and Rho is written as a “P,” but they are the first two letters of the Greek word Christ “savior” “XP” is sometimes used to stand for. Sometimes X is used alone. This is the case in the Chi (X) abbreviation for Christ in Xmas.
http://www.all-creatures.org/living/xmeans.html (http://www.all-creatures.org/living/xmeans.html)
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And once I heard Michael saying that Madonna was jealous of him and his success
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I've got to say that she put on a good show, and she's in great shape for her years ect, but it was disturbing for me.
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She works hard, goes to sleep by 9PM, gets up like 5AM - 6AM. Very dedicated to performing.
And please - don't compare Michael & her - like comparing apples & oranges.
Madonna doing the Superbowl Halftime gig at over 50, marvelously. Need I say more?
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There's nothing a her that makes me feel a good vibration.
I remember how many of her songs made me feel happy and feel like dancing right then and there as I heard them! I think that all in all this is the purpose of music: to make you feel happy (even if you don't have any specific reason), to make you wanna move, dance, jump for joy!!
Just like Michael's music, Madonna's songs also pushed me more towards learning the English language, I liked them so much that I really wanted to be able to sing them and understand the lyrics...
That's just another positive thing that came from her music to me... and it will never get out of my head. I really have some very beautiful memories on her songs!
My all time Madonna favorite is true Blue! I'm telling you I am dancing on my chair right now as I type this! this song just puts me in that state! at one point years ago, I had learned all the choreography of this video by heart! loll :lol: not to mention the "Vogue-hands movement" lmao :lol:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb8akXtOCaI[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuJQSAiODqI&feature=related[/youtube]
You'll see - This song is also one of my VERY favs! and she is also very beautiful in this video - this is actually my fav Madonna look! She never looked better than in this video, not before nor after!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6B418iJw5Q[/youtube]
In 2009 I went to her concert in Bucharest. I wouldn't have gone, I'm not that much of a fan. But my boyfriend (my ex now) is really a big Madonna fan, so we went together. it was awesome!
BUT: there's always a BUT about Madonna! That's why i never turned into a fan of hers! I truly hated the fact that in the middle of the concert she started to 'educate" us, her public by telling us how we should treat minorities! it was exactly the period where the french government was rejecting all the Romanian gypsies that fled to there ... anyway they of course weren't treated very well back "home" either.
My point is that a true artist should never talk about politics and ethnic issues during a concert! The public comes to see her sing and dance , not to hear her "admonishing" speech!
The public's reaction was immediate and aggressive!! They were howling her like crazy!! it lasted rather long so at one point I thought she will stop the show! But she continued... and it was ok... But this again reassured me in my disliking her as a person!!
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There is only one Madonna and this is not Louise Veronica Ciccone.
YES.
Oh come on please....it´s really not her fault that her first name is Madonna, is it?
I really admire her discipline and her purposefulness and determination.
Whether one likes her or not, one should at least grant her that.
Thank you MaryK bearhug !!!!
The way she spoke about Liz at her 65 birthday made me like her even more /bravo/ !!! And Michael please kiss me,don't her lol lolol/ !!!!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMRvJhxQfI4&feature=related[/youtube]
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[...]I disagree with the above statements. 14-year old boys entertain themselves all day with their penises, but to give someone credit as a "great artist" and "entertainer" in the same sentence with MJ and Elvis who essentially delivers the same masturbatory sensation is indicative of the point I brought up; [....]
I disagree with your statements too.
But what do MY statements have to do with YOUR statements? :shock:
And just because you disagree with me, it doesn't mean that i don't have the right to stand by my statements and give Madonna the credits she deserves: YES she's a great entertainer!
[...]truly great artists like MJ should be given the attention they MERIT and people should have higher expectations.
Who said otherwise? smiley_spider
[...]There is no "mistake: in noting the difference between [....]
i didn't make any comparison between...
You did. And you are free to compare any artists you like.
I just think I have a taste level and awareness of what is behind the scenes in the "industry" and politics, and I'm just making the observation that the music industry, government, religion, are in fact highly controlled by the money interests who decide who they will train as a monkey to dance for the people and distract them, and who will serve the purpose of achieving their agenda, whatever that ends up being.
Yes that's true. One doesn't need to work in the business to notice that.
Madonna was put in the place she is not because of talent or hard work, that is obvious to any "objective," savvy observer.
That's your opinion.
I stand by my opinion: Madonna is a truly talented artist! and seeing how she is like a person, I continue to doubt that she left herself be manipulated like other artists...
I don't say this is correct, I'm saying this is my opinion.
And about being "objective", i see you put it in inverted comas as if to suggest that I am not objective about her. It seems you were so occupied to show me how wrong I am to like Madonna, that you missed the part(s) where I was also criticizing her.
Thereis a great deal to compare between Elvis and Michael.
I think you are so against Madonna that you didn't even get my point in what I was actually saying.
Anyway...
or "bashing" her, just stating my observations.
Ok, if you say so.
The point I am bringing up is that there is a thing called discernment,
Ok, so thank you for telling me, indirectly, that I don't have discernment so you needed to remind me of it. :roll:
and just like watching porno all day long makes it difficult for men to develop relationships with real women because they expect women to serve their compulsions and be distorted versions of who they really are, watching the circus the controlled media brainwashes you [...]
No comment.
just sayin. Peace.
yeah. :roll:
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Did you know that it was the Cirque du soleil (the same team as for the immortal tour) who help Madonna to stage the superbowl show? They talked about it all week here. It was a demand from Madonna to have this team...
Here's the link to MJ's Superbowl. Madonna's is dark, robotic, creepy, unhuman, and decadent, and her energy is like watching a mediocre high school talent contest with no passion and actually awkward so-called "dancing." After that, Michael's is like a ray of sunshine and hope, and even though the effects were spectacular for the time, it was the drama and inner magnetism of Michael's mere presence and every move that drove the audience nuts, and magic just flew out of him you can't get from pyrotechnics. He spoke with humbleness and devotion and created a message of love, with the whole audience participating and holding hands as human beings, connected and sharing another great moment WITH him. There's a far cry between Madonna's gyrating on a stripper pole level of entertainment and the mastery and visionary deep spiritual humanity infused in everything Michael achieved. No one could move people to do what Michael did.
I'm just sayin. I performed in Vegas to Michael and Janet's choreography since the time of Thriller and Michael was always revered within the industry as untouchable and almost godlike, the epitome of talent, while Madonna was not taken seriously by professionals because she couldn't sing and was unoriginal in her dancing. Like Janet said, basically, 'I could stand out in the street naked and people would pay attention too, but that's not talent." But her trashy antics became the lowest common denominator that the masses got conditioned to, and it got more and more decadent from there. Michael has always been a true artist from the great musical legacies and traditions, and brought class to his work and rose the standard for all to aspire to. I was backstage with the original cast of Cirque. Show business is run by Illuminati, Zionists, and mobsters like Mottola who Michael was surrounded by, and as we all know, he spoke out against them and resisted them. Madonna, it should be clear to anyone who followed her from her beginnings, is a tool for them. This performance I found soulless and self-serving, and full of ritualistic symbols. What was that "Love Madonna Y.O.U." ego-gratification trip? Michael's was an expression of individuality and a clear purpose to give and uplift others. People have forgotten performing is not supposed to be an orgy of gratification, but an intimate connection to our hearts that leaves us better than we were before. I hope this link works to Michael's halftime.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idg8TNknvDU&feature=related
Thank you for your post, I found it very interesting and must say that I agree 100%.
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I have work to do and have already spent more time than I planned on. My main interest was in pointing out the obvious vast difference in the entire underlying intent of each presentation, and the effect each had on the viewer, and in hearing the responses relevant to the DISCERNMENT of Illuminati/ritualistic/cult/code imagery which is prevalent in the music industry and unmistakeable in the production last night.
"But what do MY statements have to do with YOUR statements? :shock:"
Your statements were a direct response to mine.
Yes, you have the right to stand by whatever great respect you may have for Madonna, or Jon Benet Ramsey as great "artists," but that does not alter the fact that they were both used and exploited by their handlers to serve a twisted agenda disturbing to anyone who cares to expect better.
[...]truly great artists like MJ should be given the attention they MERIT and people should have higher expectations.
Who said otherwise? smiley_spider
No one said otherwise; the key words here are "merit," and "higher expectations," implying Michael is worthy of the status some misguidedly apply to Madonna, and that status should be given not by those with the above-discerned motives.
[...]There is no "mistake: in noting the difference between [....]
i didn't make any comparison between...
You did. And you are free to compare any artists you like.
Don't insult Michael by assuming I would compare him to Madonna. My point was that there IS no comparison.
"Yes that's true. One doesn't need to work in the business to notice that."
A comment was made which I was referring to, by another poster, that I had no knowledge of the technical aspects of a concert, which I addressed by sharing some of my extensive professional background performing Thriller and other choreography and music made popular by the above-mentioned entertainers and many others, at the time they were in the same circles as me in their height, so am keenly aware of the inner workings of show business as it relates to all of these performers as well as the fact that the lights go down before a show, hello.
Madonna was put in the place she is not because of talent or hard work, that is obvious to any "objective," savvy observer.
That's your opinion.
It was stated that any "objective" person agreed with the poster about Madonna's dubious accomplishments. I do not agree, and I have no personal bias against Madonna, just an educated assessment of her lack of ability and humility.
" continue to doubt that she left herself be manipulated like other artists."
I am not saying she involuntarily went along with the program; Michael said she
isn't a good person; she may well just be inclined to actually like being a puppet by now because their agenda complements her character.
" " are quotation marks, not "nverted commas." I didn't miss your criticisms of Ma.
or "bashing" her, just stating my observations.
Ok, if you say so.
I do say so. I think she has many good qualities. She works out, is rich enough to be disciplined about taking her Botox, helped her daughter get into a career, and for a while trained as a dancer. She was friends with Sandra B...once. She can give a pop bottle a blow job. That takes a lot of dedication and practice.
The point I am bringing up is that there is a thing called discernment,
Ok, so thank you for telling me, indirectly, that I don't have discernment so you needed to remind me of it. :roll:
You're welcome.
and just like watching porno all day long makes it difficult for men to develop relationships with real women because they expect women to serve their compulsions and be distorted versions of who they really are, watching the circus the controlled media brainwashes you [...]
No comment.
That's for the best.
just sayin. Peace.
yeah. :roll:
'Peace." Sorry, forgot we were talking about Madonna. That should be spelled, "Piece."
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She's really a great artist, great entertainer!
She's a beautiful woman, very original and very courageous to show a sexy , even vulgar side, without being dis-gracious!! And IMO, Lady Gaga is nothing but a grotesque and poor, pathetic copy of Madonna.
I will not commit the mistake to compare Michael to Madonna. (or vice-versa)
Nor have I ever compared Elvis to Michael (or vice-versa)
They simply CANNOT be compared!!!
Nevertheless they are all VALUABLE artists and no one, objective enough, can deny this!
Yes, I know all about what goes into a show and effects and rehearsals, wich is why I know she has worked hard, and appreciate the technical skill of my fellow dancers. I disagree with the above statements. 14-year old boys entertain themselves all day with their penises, but to give someone credit as a "great artist" and "entertainer" in the same sentence with MJ and Elvis who essentially delivers the same masturbatory sensation is indicative of the point I brought up; truly great artists like MJ should be given the attention they MERIT and people should have higher expectations. Many of us noticed that after the Superbowl in 3, when Michael lused hi worldwide audience to promote the message "Heal the World," directed toward children, and it could not be denied he was a figure of tremendous power to inspire people to take it upon themselves to change and empower themselves, MJ was taken down and the attacks never let up. There is no "mistake: in noting the difference between his legacy and what we were just served last night resembling a ceremony at Bohemian Grove. I am not a Christian and preoccupied with "anti-christ" dogma. I just think I have a taste level and awareness of what is behind the scenes in the "industry" and politics, and I'm just making the observation that the music industry, government, religion, are in fact highly controlled by the money interests who decide who they will train as a monkey to dance for the people and distract them, and who will serve the purpose of achieving their agenda, whatever that ends up being. Madonna was put in the place she is not because of talent or hard work, that is obvious to any "objective," savvy observer. She stated, while we truly dedicated dancers were really working and taking any job we could get, that she did not want to be dancer because there was no money in it. She has been supported every step of the way by doing exactly what her handlers want her to do. Michael's spirit compelled him to reach beyond that. It is worth noting this because Michael should have been performing the last decade of his life in those venues, but he was a threat to their power structure as he himself stated many times, and he was replaced by what we saw last night and either gotten rid of as his family has openly claimed, or he outsmarted them. Anyone who lives in Hollywood or been in the industry finds this out in a week, or they are not privy to the circles that control what we see.
There is a great deal to compare between Elvis and Michael. It has been addressed on this site in great length. It is also fair to discuss Michael and Prince; both great artists. But the reason most people here are MJ fans is that he was beyond compare. I wasn't comparing Michael and Madonna or "bashing" her, just stating my observations. Michael did not like Madonna either for the same reasons I mentioned. Bette Midler is a great artist and entertainer who did outrageous, shocking, and what some consider vulgar things, but iit was with intelligence and wit. She also mocked Madonna and did not take her seriously.
The point I am bringing up is that there is a thing called discernment, and just like watching porno all day long makes it difficult for men to develop relationships with real women because they expect women to serve their compulsions and be distorted versions of who they really are, watching the circus the controlled media brainwashes you with over the years disguising it as "entertainment" programs you into accepting that as desirable in place of something higher. And they use it to instill their message into your mind. The way Michael used his TRUE talent and power to instill a totally different message. I'm just here to march in MJ's army of L.O.V.E. and not Madonna's Roman procession to the N.W.O. Bilderberger meeting, just sayin. Peace.
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[...]
Your statements were a direct response to mine.[...]
That's what you think.
If I'd wanted to reply to you , I would have quoted you.
Just try to accept the fact that I was only expressing my opinion, regardless of yours.
but that does not alter the fact that they were both used and exploited by their handlers to serve a twisted agenda disturbing to anyone who cares to expect better.[...]
And your opinion^^ does not alter my opinion.
[...]truly great artists like MJ should be given the attention they MERIT and people should have higher expectations.
Who said otherwise? smiley_spider
No one said otherwise; the key words here are "merit," and "higher expectations,"[...]
And I'm asking again: who said Michael does not have merits? perhaps even greater merits!!
And "higher expectations" according to whose standards and opinions? Yours?
what about mine?
According to mine, Madonna has merits too!
Don't insult Michael by assuming I would compare him to Madonna. My point was that there IS no comparison.
:shock: Sorry , but I have the impression that you didn't read my message. I said exactly the same thing: It is IMPOSSIBLE to compare them!!
So your "discussion" here just goes in useless circles...
A comment was made which I was referring to, by another poster
Then you should have addressed to that poster, not me. Thus you wouldn't create so much confusion and misunderstandings.
It was stated that any "objective" person agreed with the poster about Madonna's dubious accomplishments. I do not agree, and I have no personal bias against Madonna, just an educated assessment of her lack of ability and humility.
yes, I said that any objective person cannot deny that she is talented.
Of course you can disagree, but IMO you are not being objective. And I also think you have a personal bias, if only judging by your aggressive and insistent reactions here in this topic.
[...]she may well just be inclined to[...]
I think this is just your personal assumption.
I think she has many good qualities. She works out, is rich enough to be disciplined about taking her Botox, helped her daughter get into a career, and for a while trained as a dancer. She was friends with Sandra B...once. She can give a pop bottle a blow job. That takes a lot of dedication and practice.
That's really an "objective" opinion.
But hey, it's your opinion.
The point I am bringing up is that there is a thing called discernment,
Ok, so thank you for telling me, indirectly, that I don't have discernment so you needed to remind me of it. :roll:
You're welcome.
oh , thank you again for confirming your arrogance one more time. :roll:
@thrillerdancinmachine: I was disturbed, even offended by your aggressive and vulgar way you chose to address to me, even though we had never spoken before and even though I am not the only one to have "dared" to post positive things about Madonna in this topic. Yet you chose to direct your aggressive reaction only towards me, even though I said, very clearly, that I am not really a fan and I also mentioned some of the the things I DISLIKE about Madonna.
No one is "brainwashed" here, no one lacks discernment here, as you have clearly suggested in your previous post. You need to relax about this subject. Please stop being so "concerned" about us and try to be more tolerant with other people's tastes and opinions... accept the fact that even though people here are very aware of the "Illuminati agenda" and they do not "worship" Madonna, there are still some of us who at least respect and appreciate her talent as the true artist that she is.
You could also use more decent examples or comparison terms, you don't really need to use pornographic "imagery" to illustrate your point of view. So in the future, please take this into consideration, especially if you want to have a conversation with me. Thank you.
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@Applehead: LMAO :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Madonna’s Superbowl Halftime Show: A Celebration of the Grand Priestess of the Music Industry
By VC | February 6th, 2012 | Category: Music Business
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When I learned that Madonna – aka the Grand Priestess of the music industry – would be performing at the Superbowl halftime show, I thought: “This should be interesting”. And it was. While most were amazed by a woman in her fifties dancing around with LMFAO and others were annoyed at her lipsynching, I was amazed by something else: the flurry of symbolism flashed to billions of worldwide viewers. While most saw Madonna’s performance as an entertaining interlude to the most important football game of the year, those with symbol-literacy will probably agree: Madonna’s halftime show was a big celebration of the Illuminati industry and of its Grand Priestess, Madonna.
A week before the Superbowl, Madonna described on Anderson Cooper the spiritual importance she attributed to her Half-Time show:
“The Superbowl is kind of like the Holy of Holies in America. I’ll come at halfway of the “church experience” and I’m gonna have to deliver a sermon. It’ll have to be very impactful.”
It is rather appropriate that this Kaballah-intiate referred to the Superbowl as the “Holy of Holies” as it was the name of the most sacred place in Solomon’s Temple. No one was ever permitted the Holy of Holies but the High Priest and only on the Day of Atonement – to offer the blood of sacrifice and incense before the mercy seat. Madonna’s analogy was therefore rather telling of the mindset behind her performance. Let’s look at the main parts of her show.
Vogue or Entrance of the Priestess
Madonna entrance is an elaborate procession fit for a High Priestess or even a goddess.
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Pushed by hundreds of Roman soldiers and welcomed by hundreds of women, Madonna's glorious entrance is a reflection of her status in the entertainment world.
Her first performance is highly influenced by ancient Egypt-Sumeria-Babylon and Madonna’s costume recalls an ancient Babylonian goddess.
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The decor of Madonna's first performance combines elements from ancient Egypt, Sumeria and Babylon. Madonna herself is dressed in a way that highly resembles an Ancient Sumerian/Babylonian goddess, Inanna-Ishtar.
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Ishtar with her foot on a roaring lion and wearing a distinctive headdress thatresembles the one worn by Madonna. Ishtar is often depicted with wings, a feature that is recalled on Madonna's "carriage".
Ishtar was a powerful and assertive goddess whose areas of control and influence included warfare, love, sexuality, prosperity, fertility and prostitution. She sought the same existence as men, enjoying the glory of battle and seeking sexual experiences. Madonna’s as Ishtar is therefore quite interesting as one can argue that the pop singer has embodied, throughout her career, the same assertive yet highly sexual qualities of Ishtar, even achieving a state of power in the music industry that is usually reserved to men. On an esoteric level, Ishtar is associated with the planet Venus, known as the Morning Star or the Evening Star – a name also attributed to Lucifer in occult schools.
So in this mythologically-charged setting Madonna performed Vogue. During the performance, we saw dancers on the covers of Vogue, a magazine that is at the forefront of Illuminati symbolism in fashion (as seen in the series of articles Symbolic Pics of the Month).
Vogue ends with a symbol that is consistent with the Egyptian-Babylonian theme of the performance. It is also highest importance in occult Secret Societies such as Freemasons, the Rosicrucians and the Illuminati: the Winged Sun-Disk.
The song ends with the displaying of the symbol of the Winged Sun-Disk.
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Egyptian mystics used the winged sun for ritualistic magic and invocations:
“‘Emblematic of the element of air, this consists of a circle or solar-type disk enclosed by a pair of wings. In ritual magic it is suspended over the alter in an easterly direction and used when invoking the protection and co-operation of the sylphs.”
-Hope, Murry, Practical Egyptian Magic
The winged sun is still being used today by groups like the Freemasons, the Theosophists and the Rosicrucians.
“The Winged Globe is pre-eminently a Rosicrucian symbol, although the Illuminati may lay claim to it, and it may be admitted that it is of Egyptian origin. The Winged Globe is the symbol of the perfected soul making its flight back to the source of its creation in the Elysian fields beyond.”
-Swinburne, Clymer, The Rosicrucians Their Teachings
The symbol of the winged-sun inside a Masonic lodge.
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The display of this symbol, although apparently trivial and aesthetic, emphasizes on the occult spiritual dimension underlying Madonna’s entire performance.
Give Me All Your Luvin’ or Madonna’s Sex Kittens
Later in the show, Madonna performed her new single Give Me All Your Luvin’. The song features two new industry favorites: Nikki Minaj and M.I.A. In the song’s music video and during the Superbowl performance, the featuring of these two female rappers is portrayed in a specific way: Instead of being presented as full-fledged artists contributing to Madonna’s song, the roles they are given makes them almost Madonna’s “minions” who are cheering for the industry’s High Priestess. This “relationship” where Madonna is in power – and therefore the handler – is drenched in Mind Control symbolism, specifically Beta Programming also know Sex Kitten Programming.
In the video for Give me Your Luvin', Madonna, Nikki Minaj and M.I.A. are dressed as Marilyn Monroe, the ultimate prototype of Sex Kitten Programming.
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Another symbol associated with Sex Kitten programming is feline prints clothing and textiles. The entire half-time show was an animal-print extravaganza.
Like a Prayer or the Final Sermon
Madonna closed the Halftime show with one of her biggest hits: Like a Prayer. The video of this song was always controversial due to its mixing of religious themes with sexuality. When the song starts, the show takes on a very solemn and spiritual tone as Madonna and Cee-Lo Green enter to give the final sermon. Religious figures are usually dressed in white to represent purity and godliness. The two singers where dressed in black robes and black robes are usually used in…black masses.
As the song begins, a huge eye pupil is displayed, hinting of the Illuminati-influence in this spiritual performance.
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Madonna’s Half-Time show also ends in a rather symbolic matter:
At the end of her performance, the floor opens underneath Madonna's feet and she disappears.
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As Madonna is swept in what appears to be the “Underworld”, Madonna sings “I hear you call my name, And it feels like home”. This is another inversion of conventional religious symbolism as “home” should be in the heavens. In Madonna’s case, she obviously didn’t go in that direction.
The show ends with a message no one can disagree with.
The words "World Peace" appear on the stage, a PR-friendly slogan used by those pushing for a New World Order, one that is lead by a one world government.
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In Conclusion
When taken individually, the symbols described above can be simply considered as “cool-looking” and most Superbowl viewers did not attribute much attention to them. The packing all of these signs and symbols in one comprehensive 13 minute performance cannot be dismissed as “random images”. Quite to the contrary, they all point towards a specific underlying Agenda, one that is consistent across the entire music industry. Madonna’s embrace of the Illuminati symbolism discussed on this site coincides with her signing with Interscope Records, one of the main purveyors of Illuminati symbolism in the music industry. Her Half-Time show performance can therefore be considered as the “launching” of her three-album (and 40 million dollars) relationship with the prominent label. Madonna’s Superbowl performance has shown that, despite the fact that she is an industry icon, she still needs to fit the mold and embrace the same symbolism rookie pop stars.
Laced with profound imagery, Madonna’s Half-time performance was, in fact, a massive Illuminati ritual, one that was witnessed by billions of viewers. On this Superbowl “Day of Atonement”, Madonna, the High Priestess of the Illuminati industry, entered the Holy of Holies of America delivered a 13 minutes sermon that was heard by all and understood by few.
http://vigilantcitizen.com/musicbusiness/madonnas-superbowl-halftime-show-a-celebration-of-the-grand-priestess-of-the-music-industry/
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Wow! Lot's of differing opinions about Madonna. But, we all have to agree...there will never be another half time show like the one Michael put on in 1993. I still cry to this day watching him and the children. :cry: It was and he was and still is amazing!! michael-jackson/
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Wow! Lot's of differing opinions about Madonna. But, we all have to agree...there will never be another half time show like the one Michael put on in 1993. [...]
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Thanks for posting that, Paula !
Interesting interpretation of Madonna's show.
I've read most of the articles by VigilantCitizen even if I don't always agree with everything there.... there are some exaggerations too, IMO.
Things can sometimes easily be misinterpreted or "over-interpreted" , especially when one sees everything just from one negative perspective!
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Thanks Paula. Yep...that about sums it up perfectly.
And I want to add that Celo's voice and harmonies were the [good] highlight of that whole 13 minutes. Interesting number there, as it is symbolic for rebellion and apostacy in biblical numerics...just saying that nothing is random in this ritual.
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Madonna was dressed like a Greek Goddess, sheeesh! Greek Goddesses: Gaia = MOTHER EARTH! Persephone: had to live a few months in the underworld, which is why we have winter. Aphrodite: Goddess of Love & Beauty. I believe she combined them all, perhaps with the message of: PEACE ON EARTH!
No one with any evil within them, is going to say that.
@thrillerdancemachine: YOU disturb me very, very much, with your condoning of pedophilia on this very BOARD!
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Wow! Lot's of differing opinions about Madonna. But, we all have to agree...there will never be another half time show like the one Michael put on in 1993. [...]
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Thanks for posting that, Paula !
Interesting interpretation of Madonna's show.
I've read most of the articles by VigilantCitizen even if I don't always agree with everything there.... there are some exaggerations too, IMO.
Things can sometimes easily be misinterpreted or "over-interpreted" , especially when one sees everything just from one negative perspective!
And all these shows have a recurrent pattern
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Wow - I wouldn't have imagined there'd be so much lively discussion over Madonna's SB show.
I will say this - I can't dance. I can't sing. I don't look near that good and I'm younger than she is by a couple of years. I get winded walking briskly on the treadmill for 30 minutes. So who am I to criticize. I'm amazed that a few years ago I thought 50 was old and now that I'm here I realize that 50 is not that old after all. I still have at least 20 more years of work ahead of me...God willing. Perspective.
I will also say this - I wasn't a fan of Michael's in 1993. I also don't consider myself a Madonna fan. But they both have achieved a great deal of fame in their own right - not to be compared against each other. Are their motives different? Maybe, IDK. I do know that it appears that Madonna loves children and so does Michael. They both do what they can to help give them a better life. So, for that I give them both a thumbs up.
Regarding the performance - as I said, I wasn't a fan of Michael's in 93 and I'm not a fan of Madonna's now. But, in 93, as in any performance or appearance, my eyes were glued to Michael. I couldn't help it. That show was magical. I was in a crowded room and I heard nobody around me the whole performance, It stayed in my mind for weeks afterwards, just like the We Are The World song when it was debuted. I taped it from the TV and played it over and over and over again. Anyway, Michael's performance was mesmerizing, in a good way. It gave you the feeling of love and unity and hope.
Yesterday, I was a little excited to see Madonna's performance. I was actually in route to my daughters home so missed the first couple of minutes but even so I only watched about 3-4 minutes of the show and I quickly became sidetracked. I found my mind wandering to tasks I still needed to get done before work the next day. Later, I realized that it didn't hold my attention. Not that she didn't perform her heart out. Not that the show was a dud. It just didn't hold my attention.
So, from a non-fan point of view, Michael has the ability to command the audience of fans and nonfans alike. And, he's the only one in my memory, other than Elvis, that has been able to do that.
EDIT: Ray Charles also had the ability to hold my attention. He was very special as well.
We Are The World - let's make this world a better place...for you and for me. Hugs :)
Blessings to you.
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Wow! Lot's of differing opinions about Madonna. But, we all have to agree...there will never be another half time show like the one Michael put on in 1993. I still cry to this day watching him and the children. :cry: It was and he was and still is amazing!! michael-jackson/
That's right.
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Yes, I know all about what goes into a show and effects and rehearsals, wich is why I know she has worked hard, and appreciate the technical skill of my fellow dancers. I disagree with the above statements. 14-year old boys entertain themselves all day with their penises, but to give someone credit as a "great artist" and "entertainer" in the same sentence with MJ and Elvis who essentially delivers the same masturbatory sensation is indicative of the point I brought up; truly great artists like MJ should be given the attention they MERIT and people should have higher expectations. Many of us noticed that after the Superbowl in 3, when Michael lused hi worldwide audience to promote the message "Heal the World," directed toward children, and it could not be denied he was a figure of tremendous power to inspire people to take it upon themselves to change and empower themselves, MJ was taken down and the attacks never let up. There is no "mistake: in noting the difference between his legacy and what we were just served last night resembling a ceremony at Bohemian Grove. I am not a Christian and preoccupied with "anti-christ" dogma. I just think I have a taste level and awareness of what is behind the scenes in the "industry" and politics, and I'm just making the observation that the music industry, government, religion, are in fact highly controlled by the money interests who decide who they will train as a monkey to dance for the people and distract them, and who will serve the purpose of achieving their agenda, whatever that ends up being. Madonna was put in the place she is not because of talent or hard work, that is obvious to any "objective," savvy observer. She stated, while we truly dedicated dancers were really working and taking any job we could get, that she did not want to be dancer because there was no money in it. She has been supported every step of the way by doing exactly what her handlers want her to do. Michael's spirit compelled him to reach beyond that. It is worth noting this because Michael should have been performing the last decade of his life in those venues, but he was a threat to their power structure as he himself stated many times, and he was replaced by what we saw last night and either gotten rid of as his family has openly claimed, or he outsmarted them. Anyone who lives in Hollywood or been in the industry finds this out in a week, or they are not privy to the circles that control what we see.
There is a great deal to compare between Elvis and Michael. It has been addressed on this site in great length. It is also fair to discuss Michael and Prince; both great artists. But the reason most people here are MJ fans is that he was beyond compare. I wasn't comparing Michael and Madonna or "bashing" her, just stating my observations. Michael did not like Madonna either for the same reasons I mentioned. Bette Midler is a great artist and entertainer who did outrageous, shocking, and what some consider vulgar things, but iit was with intelligence and wit. She also mocked Madonna and did not take her seriously.
The point I am bringing up is that there is a thing called discernment, and just like watching porno all day long makes it difficult for men to develop relationships with real women because they expect women to serve their compulsions and be distorted versions of who they really are, watching the circus the controlled media brainwashes you with over the years disguising it as "entertainment" programs you into accepting that as desirable in place of something higher. And they use it to instill their message into your mind. The way Michael used his TRUE talent and power to instill a totally different message. I'm just here to march in MJ's army of L.O.V.E. and not Madonna's Roman procession to the N.W.O. Bilderberger meeting, just sayin. Peace.
I agree with you again 100%. Thank you for voicing what I would voice if I could find the right words in English.
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The Madonna performance was a huge disappointment. All the lip-syncing, & the gaudy costumes. When I saw the pom-pom's, I was ready to jump up and sing "oh mickey your so fine, your so fine you blow my mind, hey mickey." When she got sucked thru the floor at the end, I thought why couldn't that have happened earler? Wow, what happened to entertainers actually "entertaining". Seems like if you can jump & down, don't even have to have rythmn, "& the crowd goes wild"... I never get sick of watching Michael dance. That's an entertainer & performer. Michael could hold your attention, & I could understand the words, & the meaning of the songs. Wow I do miss great entertainers. Glad I have my 35 dvd collection of all Michael's live performances & home private movie collections. I never get sick of watching him. What a let down on performances for the super bowls. Seems like the talent just isn't there anymore. Sad!
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I am sorry Sim, I love you but really Madonna is under zero to me.
Like I said, negative vibration coming from her....well that's my perception and I can't change what I feel.
I don't deny I like some of her songs but knowing WHO'S SINGING those songs keeps me away from listening them.
I just feel she's vulgar and makes me sick. As about her looking good, well she does look good if you like a package of muscles in a woman.
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The Madonna performance was a huge disappointment. All the lip-syncing, & the gaudy costumes. When I saw the pom-pom's, I was ready to jump up and sing "oh mickey your so fine, your so fine you blow my mind, hey mickey." When she got sucked thru the floor at the end, I thought why couldn't that have happened earler? Wow, what happened to entertainers actually "entertaining". Seems like if you can jump & down, don't even have to have rythmn, "& the crowd goes wild"... I never get sick of watching Michael dance. That's an entertainer & performer. Michael could hold your attention, & I could understand the words, & the meaning of the songs. Wow I do miss great entertainers. I never get sick of watching him. What a let down on performances for the super bowls. Seems like the talent just isn't there anymore. Sad!
Im agree with you 100000% /bravo/
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Well at least I can say that I have something in common with Madonna. We both have never "sang" at a Super Bowl.
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Madonna’s Superbowl Halftime Show: A Celebration of the Grand Priestess of the Music Industry
“The Superbowl is kind of like the Holy of Holies in America. I’ll come at halfway of the “church experience” and I’m gonna have to deliver a sermon. It’ll have to be very impactful.”
THANK YOU, Paula-C. This is what I was asking for, intelligent (key word) analysis and thoughts about something I already know for a FACT through personal experience goes on. I heard about her "World Peace" message and actually hoped, as Michael reportedly did, Schmadonna would become a better person after she had kids and her motherly instinct kicked in. I had hoped to see some redeeming component in her performance. But I was surprised at the BLATANT, dominating theme so ominous in the show, which this article illustrates, even for her. There is a discussion of this on various sites I came across just doing a cursory search, like "godlikeproductions," but some of the christian apocalyptic paranoia of earth and feminine, earth-based indigenous traditions is part of the problem and has no basis in reality. I'd like to hear more along the line of what you posted.
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I agree with you again 100%. Thank you for voicing what I would voice if I could find the right words in English.
Sister, you are doing just fine in English. We are all here for Michael, after all, that's what matters, his message.
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Infowars Nightly News: Madonna’s New World Order Extravaganza at the Super Bowl
Madonna’s Egyptian mystery religion performance at the Super Bowl paying tribute to her master, the New World Order.
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Wow! Lot's of differing opinions about Madonna. But, we all have to agree...there will never be another half time show like the one Michael put on in 1993. I still cry to this day watching him and the children. :cry: It was and he was and still is amazing!! michael-jackson/
Liberian girl please don't cry :) bearhug ,we have to celebrate Michael ,cause he is the GREATEST ENTERTAINER that ever lived,remember ???? Here is his performance from 1993 and a good article about it,ENJOY :) penguin/ !!!!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywRMES7oHnA[/youtube]
How Jackson Redefined the Super Bowl
By RICHARD SANDOMIR
Published: June 29, 2009
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His three-song medley at halftime of Dallas’s 52-17 trouncing of Buffalo in 1993 signified a tectonic shift for the N.F.L. For years, the league had packed its halftimes with a roster of the unhip: Up With People, Pete Fountain, Carol Channing, marching bands, the Rockettes, Elvis Presto and Disney characters.
Jackson produced a stunning first: raising NBC’s halftime rating higher than the Super Bowl action before it. The N.F.L. had grasped the need to enlist big-name, contemporary, broad-appeal artists to keep viewers from straying. So it used Jackson to continue expanding the notion of the Super Bowl as a mega-event that includes a game.
After Jackson came an A-list of stars, including Diana Ross, Stevie Wonder, Christina Aguilera, Aerosmith, U2, Shania Twain, Paul McCartney, the Rolling Stones, Prince and Bruce Springsteen.
Performers in an ever-fragmenting musical market don’t need to be convinced of the importance of 12 minutes at halftime in front of 90 million to 100 million viewers in the United States and many more around the world.
Eleven years after Jackson sang, his sister Janet bared her breast (or had it stripped bare by Justin Timberlake), leading the Federal Communications Commission to fine CBS $550,000. Michael was no angel on stage :shock: ;)) at the Rose Bowl; he grabbed his crotch repeatedly, especially as he sang “Billie Jean.” ( yes ,yes I know that,but it seems that people don't want to admit ,lol :lol: :lol: geek/ ,and he did it in front of millions ;)) )
“We talked to him about that during rehearsals,” said Jim Steeg, then the league’s executive director of special events and now chief operating officer of the San Diego Chargers. “But he did better than we thought.”
Still, he said, “We got a lot of letters about that.”
Jackson was hired before any charges of sexual molestation were leveled against him publicly, but after his appearance began to change drastically. His album “Dangerous” had been released in 1991. But for the N.F.L. he was still a potent, audience-grabbing antidote to what happened during halftime of the Super Bowl in 1992.
Fox, not yet an N.F.L. broadcast partner, directly challenged the ’92 halftime show (Gloria Estefan, Dorothy Hamill and Brian Boitano) with a live edition of its raunchy comedy series “In Living Color.” The ploy did its damage: CBS’s halftime rating fell 10 points from game action in the previous half-hour.
The league needed a game-changing artist who could appeal much more to 18- to 34-year-olds.
“Our thought afterward was we had to step it up a notch,” Steeg said.
A contingent including Steeg and Arlen Kantarian, then the chief executive of Radio City Productions, which would produce the halftime show, met in Beverly Hills with Jackson’s manager, Sandy Gallin.
Steeg and Kantarian sensed that they had to brief Gallin extensively because they surmised that Jackson knew little about football. “We knew we were explaining this to somebody who would then have to explain it to Michael,” Steeg said. In subsequent meetings, Jackson displayed a naïve curiosity about a world he knew little of.
“He’d ask: ‘Who plays in it? What is it?’ ” Kantarian said. Jackson’s interest became riveted on the Super Bowl being broadcast in more than 100 countries, including third world nations, and on United States military bases.
“He said, ‘Man, I’ll never tour there,’ ” Kantarian recalled him saying. “We talked to him about the blue-collar football fan that might not otherwise be a Michael Jackson fan and about how he could build a new fan base. He got that as well. He was very sharp and very shy.” :D
Gallin said no to the N.F.L.’s proposal three times before saying yes, Kantarian said. At one point, he added, Gallin asked for a $1 million fee. “ ‘You’ve got to be kidding,’ ” Kantarian said Gallin told him. “ ‘This is Michael Jackson.’ ” The N.F.L. pays performers only for their expenses, but it donated $100,000 to Jackson’s Heal the World Foundation, which is named for one of the songs he sang at halftime.
Kantarian said that he recalled Jackson pushing to sing newer songs from “Dangerous,” not older songs, like “Billie Jean” and “Black or White.” According to Kantarian, Jackson said, “ ‘Billie Jean’s just a tune, it doesn’t mean anything” and “It’s a new world, this has to be about ‘Heal the World.’ ”
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LMAO, all these comments are so damn funny
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Michael indeed is the untouchable, unreachable, no one will ever come close
in Gift, craftsmanship.. So we really should stop comparing, because
it's sad old fact - there is Michael. And there is the rest of showbiz, way down there.
I loved Madonna in 80s and early 90s, I respect her ability to survive through gym
tortures etc. She disciplines herself badly and never allows herself to be weak.
She's strict and hard, it's all about discipline with her lol. Not a Gift like Michael's,
but only hard HARD work [Mike worked hard! Don't get me wrong. But he had that
special quality, that sunshine in him, he was born blessed :-*]
Madonna basically was born with big Ambition and without anything else.
She built everything herself, like from scratch, through torturing herself and
working like a slave on her voice and body and business deals. I respect her
for that determination. But of course she will never have Magic. That magic.
Lol they do love their symbolism these days, eh? Well, that's all they have left once Magic
is no more. Overdo symbolism to make things look "spectacular".
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Michael indeed is the untouchable, unreachable, no one will ever come close
in Gift, craftsmanship.. So we really should stop comparing, because
it's sad old fact - there is Michael. And there is the rest of showbiz, way down there.
I loved Madonna in 80s and early 90s, I respect her ability to survive through gym
tortures etc. She disciplines herself badly and never allows herself to be weak.
She's strict and hard, it's all about discipline with her lol. Not a Gift like Michael's,
but only hard HARD work [Mike worked hard! Don't get me wrong. But he had that
special quality, that sunshine in him, he was born blessed :-*]
Madonna basically was born with big Ambition and without anything else.
She built everything herself, like from scratch, through torturing herself and
working like a slave on her voice and body and business deals. I respect her
for that determination. But of course she will never have Magic. That magic.
Lol they do love their symbolism these days, eh? Well, that's all they have left once Magic
is no more. Overdo symbolism to make things look "spectacular".
@ those trying to link "Baphomet" A Greek/Roman headdress has nothing to do with that, sheesh! How can you turn a rated G project, into something so bizarre? I suppose I must give it up to you all for having an imagination.
@Aidan - What you say, doesn't make any sense, Lordy! She's doing Pilates, which isn't killing oneself!
Actually, because she puts her WELLBEING FIRST, she looks fantastic! 50 is the new 30, within 100 years, what about that, people? Seriously, Tina Turner, Cher, helped to turn those tables, correct!?
What on earth is wrong here, people!? Why so negative? Football is a celebration of the creme de le creme, in the football world. It's fun, time to be clowns at home, and watch the spectacle with friends, in the comfort of your home!
Spouting off about conspiracies during a beautiful, inspirational, latest technology led half-time show? No ONE DIED! Hell, I got a few peeks at her cute gold/black cheerleader panties early on, so I knew we were heading that way. Yes; she made damn sure, there wasn't going to be any boobs getting flashed, and even children of all ages could see the show without fear. I applaud her wardrobe designer, and how fast the changes happened, just fantastic! Dancers - fantastic! She got to focus on singing!!
Everyone involved should be so proud, to be honest. I looooove the Coliseum in Rome - and this felt like an ode, to it, and the people. Emperors would hold free games with gladiators, for his people. THIS is what Madonna was honoring. It's a show - if you didn't enjoy it, that's fine. But it was brilliant, and it made those in attendance forget the cold, as they swayed and danced!
All of us perhaps, need to just...enjoy the songs and the music. She wasn't competing with anybody!! She was there, simply to ENTERTAIN US!
But then I forget: women sing for men mostly, and men for women! So, perhaps that's why this didn't go down so well, with the women. They saw their husbands staring at Madonna, who's still got a hard body, after giving birth twice! Well, perhaps that's a gentle reminder, we all can look great after having kids.
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Do any of you know Madonna!? She works hard, goes to sleep by 9PM, gets up like 5AM - 6AM. Very dedicated to performing.
And please - don't compare Michael & her - like comparing apples & oranges. JUST because you've heard/seen a few things in the MEDIA, the same ones who portrayed Michael in a horrifying light, doesn't mean anything when it comes to her, either.
I actually went and saw the show, and feel that I should add Pilates to my workout, wow! WOW! That's all I can say about her!
Nothing to do with this fake Illuminati crud with her.
Remember this: Where do I live? Hollywood. That means that since I've been here, I've most likely met everyone at least once - more, if I liked them. Never saw any indication of any overlords, just a bunch of partying fans on one extreme, and then on the other hand, people like Michael & Madonna, who actually took care of themselves.
Madonna doing the Superbowl Halftime gig at over 50, marvelously. Need I say more? :D
Agree. I don't think Madonna's half time and Michael's half time performance can be compared.
They were both brilliant in their own rights and in different ways.
Her performance was amazing and she also looks amazing and so healthy. She will be 54 this year.....all kudos to her I reckon.
Agree with you both. I love her music, specifically her older stuff, and I thought her performance was amazing and inspiring. I loved the ending. And of course they can't be compared; Madonna is the Queen of Pop and MJ is the King.
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Infowars Nightly News: Madonna’s New World Order Extravaganza at the Super Bowl
Madonna’s Egyptian mystery religion performance at the Super Bowl paying tribute to her master, the New World Order.
Seeing this promoted and seeing people actually liking it and not considering it disturbing makes me agree with TS: YES THE END OF THE WORLD WILL COME SOON.
A world that sees nothing wrong in that show and other shows alike must come to its end.Better be prepared errrr.
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Tink, it's you are the negative one ::P I said nothing bad really. No idea why
I suddenly "make no sense".
Pilates - maybe these days, but Maddie was not born a beauty queen, was born with
no singing voice nor moves. She worked crazily hard on herself to make people
see her and praise her like a Queen, she believed in herself but it wasn't a cakewalk.
She is not harming herself in a way her life can be in danger, but she never
allows herself to be weak like doing nothing 5 days in row or eating giant cakes, you know
the usual human "weak" things. Look at her - this is a result of HARD work. Not
just suddenly popular Pilates that honestly looks like a usual routine for me,
had no idea it works so well, she is NOT just Pilates result, maybe if she does
it 7 hours a day.
Michael was born with the moves and voice and charisma that made most people like him
immediately. That is called a Gift. It was natural for him. He was perfecting it, but
not building from scratch. I call it Magic - he gave me that feeling. You can call it a natural
talent. No idea what's so negative I said. I only want people to stop comparing the incomparable.
I never said I dislike Madonna - I was her fan and I always will have that deep respect for her
and her hard work.
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" How can you turn a rated G project, into something so bizarre? I suppose I must give it up to you all for having an imagination."
It wasn't us who turned it into something bizarre. We are simply pointing out the obvious. If you're not educated about the subject of Illuminati and the system of control in the music industry, you may dismiss the ability to discern their use of imagery as "imagination."
"Why so negative?Football is a celebration of the creme de le creme, in the football world. It's fun, time to be clowns at home"
Um...not according to Schmadonna. She said it was the "Holy of Holies" and a "church" ritual. Again, not us "imagining" it. Just reporting it. Give her a call and tell her to "loosen up" and not take it so seriously if that's how you really feel.
"Spouting off about conspiracies" This is a dismissive, defensive reaction common when someone is in denial or doesn't grasp the reality of the situation.
" I looooove the Coliseum in Rome - and this felt like an ode, to it, and the people. Emperors would hold free games with gladiators, for his people. THIS is what Madonna was honoring."
I think that's pretty much what bothers some of us. Emperors would hold free games with gladiators, I get it. Just a harmless little tribute to how we got our team mascots -- Christians Vs. Lions...Yeah, I think that was when they were in their "Decline into Barbaric Decadence" phase. Kind of like the slide the music industry took into decadence and after MJ's SB 93, when they took him down for being too powerful a force for good and a threat to their control of the artists.
" They saw their husbands staring at Madonna, who's still got a hard body, after giving birth twice!"[/quote]
Kind of demeaning to women who don't have nannies and maids to raise their kids and clean their house so they can spend 5 hours at the gym and afford Botox. That old fallback on the "women are jealous" theory is irrelevant to the intelligent, critical observations made here about the by women whose bodies 15 year olds still stare at, like me, who can still dance and keep ourselves in shape.
Well, I asked people what they thought of the obvious Illuminati overtones in light of MJ's opposite message and I am really enjoying the vaarying perceptions.
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"A world that sees nothing wrong in that show and other shows alike must come to its end.Better be prepared[/quote]
I agree with you 100 percent, GINA. MJ said we had 4 years to get it right.2012 is the end of the old world and the beginning of the new, the Mayas knew the timetables.
It's always saddened me to see people conditioned to want this and view it as "good." And since MJ has "gone," it's gotten worse and worse. All I can hope is that he is just planning out his return and will stun the world into taking their attention totally off these fake puppetsand their masters once and for all, and expose them for what they are. Well, I hope we get some more good posts "illuminating" us..Smiles
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Madonna was dressed like a Greek Goddess, sheeesh!
Greek Goddesses: Gaia = MOTHER EARTH! Persephone: had to live a few months in the underworld, which is why we have winter.
Aphrodite: Goddess of Love & Beauty.
I believe she combined them all, perhaps with the message of: PEACE ON EARTH!
No one with any evil within them, is going to say that.[...]
I agree with your interpretation Tink.
And I also agree with the interpretation of the vigilant citizen.
When it comes to religious/spiritual/symbolical stuff , there will always be more than just one interpretation.
It's like the Bible... everything is symbolical and unfortunately people do not understand it all in the same way.
If you want to see evil in Madonna's show, yes you can see the evil emphasized by the VigilantCitizen site.
If you want to see things from other perspective, you can see what Tink saw!
Also the VigillantCitizen site said in one of their articles that Michael is an Illuminati puppet! and that in the '80s Brooke Shields was his handler! Do you agree with that? I don't!
So as I said, even though we can learn interesting things from this site about the Illuminati and how they try to influence the showbiz and manipulate the masses, we don't need to blindly trust in everything that we read there! That site is not the gospel. Nor anyone who talks against the Illuminati must be always right about everything. People can make mistakes and over-interpret things and see more negativity in something than there really is. Some people went to the other extreme: from the brainwashed , ignorant one to the over-indoctrinated extreme with too much Illuminati symbols and theories! so much that some start seeing "Illuminati" everywhere! loll :lol:
Now, I'm not sure that Madonna is an Illuminati puppet. Nor can I be sure that she is not.
Even though, my personal opinion is that she is much too emancipated and independent, strong woman to let herself be played by the fingers of some Illuminati puppet master. But, again this is my opinion, and no one is forced to agree with me.
Regarding this show I repeat: I loved it. She is great! Even though I didn't like the devilish horns she is wearing at the beginning, at the end of it the BIG message was clear as daylight: WORLD PEACE.
Therefore seeing how much controversy her performance has created (as always!), I start wondering if maybe that was the purpose of it all! To leave people the choice to interpret it according to each one's thoughts, feelings, knowledge! That was a dual meaning show, no doubt about that! And again a proof that it was truly an awesome artistic number to put out. As long as it inspires such a great debate, than it is something!
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" How can you turn a rated G project, into something so bizarre? I suppose I must give it up to you all for having an imagination."
It wasn't us who turned it into something bizarre. We are simply pointing out the obvious. If you're not educated about the subject of Illuminati and the system of control in the music industry, you may dismiss the ability to discern their use of imagery as "imagination."
"Why so negative?Football is a celebration of the creme de le creme, in the football world. It's fun, time to be clowns at home"
Um...not according to Schmadonna. She said it was the "Holy of Holies" and a "church" ritual. Again, not us "imagining" it. Just reporting it. Give her a call and tell her to "loosen up" and not take it so seriously if that's how you really feel.
"Spouting off about conspiracies" This is a dismissive, defensive reaction common when someone is in denial or doesn't grasp the reality of the situation.
" I looooove the Coliseum in Rome - and this felt like an ode, to it, and the people. Emperors would hold free games with gladiators, for his people. THIS is what Madonna was honoring."
I think that's pretty much what bothers some of us. Emperors would hold free games with gladiators, I get it. Just a harmless little tribute to how we got our team mascots -- Christians Vs. Lions...Yeah, I think that was when they were in their "Decline into Barbaric Decadence" phase. Kind of like the slide the music industry took into decadence and after MJ's SB 93, when they took him down for being too powerful a force for good and a threat to their control of the artists.
" They saw their husbands staring at Madonna, who's still got a hard body, after giving birth twice!"
I'm so glad your here thrillerdancinmachine, I love the way you express yourself and your posts are incredibly insightful. I know that you are communicating from a wise head and a good heart, well done. /bravo/
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I am sorry Sim, I love you but really Madonna is under zero to me.[...]
OK, I understand ;) You don't need to be sorry. And I respect your opinion.
I only told you why I like her music and why I dislike her as a person.
It wasn't to convince you to like her nor her music.
I don't want to pose as her "advocate" either.
I just don't like it when I see a good artist, that I like, being criticized and talked about only from a negative perspective.
I felt the need to step in this topic and give my opinion too. And I am glad that others felt just like me and came here to counter balance this thread with some positive comments too about Madonna.
She may have all the defects already presented in this thread, but she deserves to be credited for the artist that she is. That's all.
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Michael indeed is the untouchable, unreachable, no one will ever come close in Gift, craftsmanship..
So we really should stop comparing, because it's sad old fact - there is Michael. And there is the rest of showbiz, way down there.
I loved Madonna in 80s and early 90s, I respect her ability to survive through gym tortures etc.
She disciplines herself badly and never allows herself to be weak. She's strict and hard, it's all about discipline with her lol.
Not a Gift like Michael's, but only hard HARD work [Mike worked hard! Don't get me wrong.
But he had that special quality, that sunshine in him, he was born blessed :-*]
Madonna basically was born with big Ambition and without anything else. She built everything herself, like from scratch, through torturing herself and working like a slave on her voice and body and business deals. I respect her for that determination. But of course she will never have Magic. That magic.
Lol they do love their symbolism these days, eh? Well, that's all they have left once Magic is no more. Overdo symbolism to make things look "spectacular".
I fully agree with your entire comment, @Aidan_81 ! This is EXACTLY how I see them both!
This the most objective and full of common sense comment on this topic. /bravo/
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[...]14-year old boys entertain themselves all day with their penises, but to give someone credit as a "great artist" and "entertainer" in the same sentence with MJ and Elvis who essentially delivers the same masturbatory sensation is indicative of the point I brought up; [....]
[....] and just like watching porno all day long makes it difficult for men to develop relationships with real women because they expect women to serve their compulsions and be distorted versions of who they really are, watching the circus the controlled media brainwashes you [...]
[...]@thrillerdancinmachine: I was disturbed, even offended by your aggressive and vulgar way you chose to address to me, even though we had never spoken before and even though I am not the only one to have "dared" to post positive things about Madonna in this topic. [...]
You could also use more decent examples or comparison terms, you don't really need to use pornographic "imagery" to illustrate your point of view. So in the future, please take this into consideration, especially if you want to have a conversation with me. Thank you.
[...]@thrillerdancemachine: YOU disturb me very, very much, with your condoning of pedophilia on this very BOARD!
I agree that you are disturbed, but it has nothing to do with me. To twist my clear as day condemnation of exploitation of human beings for profit as "condoning pedophilia" is as diabolical and snake-like as Bashir, Nancy Grace, Sneddon, and Diane Diamond twisting Michael's saying that he slept on the floor and let a young boy sleep in the bed into "I sleep with little boys." [...]
Please calm down. Nobody twisted anything. You were simply nicely asked to use more decent language/examples on this board.
And your again aggressive and very rude reaction towards Tink. And by you telling him that he is disturbed, you really twisted his own words in order to offend him, because he just happens to disagree with you. That's so low!
Stop accusing others of what you are doing, ok? And respect people even if they strongly disagree with you. Nobody has offended you here, yet you continue to do it.
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What on earth is wrong here, people!? Why so negative? Football is a celebration of the creme de le creme, in the football world. It's fun, time to be clowns at home, and watch the spectacle with friends, in the comfort of your home!
Spouting off about conspiracies during a beautiful, inspirational, latest technology led half-time show? No ONE DIED! Hell, I got a few peeks at her cute gold/black cheerleader panties early on, so I knew we were heading that way. Yes; she made damn sure, there wasn't going to be any boobs getting flashed, and even children of all ages could see the show without fear. I applaud her wardrobe designer, and how fast the changes happened, just fantastic! Dancers - fantastic! She got to focus on singing!!
Everyone involved should be so proud, to be honest. I looooove the Coliseum in Rome - and this felt like an ode, to it, and the people. Emperors would hold free games with gladiators, for his people. THIS is what Madonna was honoring. It's a show - if you didn't enjoy it, that's fine. But it was brilliant, and it made those in attendance forget the cold, as they swayed and danced!
All of us perhaps, need to just...enjoy the songs and the music. She wasn't competing with anybody!! She was there, simply to ENTERTAIN US!
[...]
Well said !! ;)
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Madonna was dressed like a Greek Goddess, sheeesh! Greek Goddesses: Gaia = MOTHER EARTH! Persephone: had to live a few months in the underworld, which is why we have winter. Aphrodite: Goddess of Love & Beauty. I believe she combined them all, perhaps with the message of: PEACE ON EARTH!
No one with any evil within them, is going to say that.
@thrillerdancemachine: YOU disturb me very, very much, with your condoning of pedophilia on this very BOARD!
I agree that you are disturbed, but it has nothing to do with me. To twist my clear as day condemnation of exploitation of human beings for profit as "condoning pedophilia" is as diabolical and snake-like as Bashir, Nancy Grace, Sneddon, and Diane Diamond twisting Michael's saying that he slept on the floor and let a young boy sleep in the bed into "I sleep with little boys." It's also like twisting ancient religious symbols and "World Peace" into the opposite of their intended meanings, which is what the Illuminati are famous for and what Michael is aware they did at the Superbowl, if he was watching. Keep your distracting defensive personal attacks on me for refusing to bow down and worship Schmadonna out of the replies and stick to saying something rational. Having worked with true talent like Michael and professionals on his level, I developed a taste for steak and prefer it to a Big Mac.
Quote from: thrillerdancinmachine on February 06, 2012, 10:46:31 PM
[...]14-year old boys entertain themselves all day with their penises, but to give someone credit as a "great artist" and "entertainer" in the same sentence with MJ and Elvis who essentially delivers the same masturbatory sensation is indicative of the point I brought up; [....]
[....] and just like watching porno all day long makes it difficult for men to develop relationships with real women because they expect women to serve their compulsions and be distorted versions of who they really are, watching the circus the controlled media brainwashes you [...]
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So, you really don't comprehend that speaking about an underaged boy in such a disgusting way, isn't verbal pedophilia?
Then you turn it into an attack back upon me, after I said it disturbed me that you even mentioned it here, after what Michael went through with accusations, and being taken to trial?
Tell me - who are you really, and what is your business here in personally attacking everyone with Strawman arguments?
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Jackson produced a stunning first: raising NBC’s halftime rating higher than the Super Bowl action before it.
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Madonna had a message behind her performance. Everyone does. Why is that when Michael makes statements about NWO/Illumnati, everyone believes him? But someone says Madonna's performance is just a "super bowl halftime performance"? Really do we all believe that? Michael has said history books are being re-wrote, performers are selling their souls to the devil, hand signals by the performers, among other stuff. Michael even sang about that in Scream. When others point it out that there is Illumanti signs there, it's just not another "super bowl performance" why can't that be considered? It's not a secret that Madonna, Jay-z, Beyonce, Mya, Lady ga-ga have been tied to be rumored to the Illumanti. With money & power at the heels of performers, drug-induced or non drug induced mind control, which Michael has also admitted that was involved in his life at some point. All this exists, & more so when people who listen to their music, are greatly influenced to follow their artists. This is no different than believers following Michael on the trials that destroyed his career. Michael believers believed him & stood by his side. The same goes with Illumanti artists, they are followed, & can be negatively be swayed to believing their way of thinking. Those artists barely think for themselves anymore. When & if Michael did get out of the Illumanti control, he did because he was able to get a grip on his conscience, & know that they we're out to destroy him as a entertainer & person. He is a smart man, others aren't so lucky. Madonna's performance will be picked apart because there at one time is/was consistent with NWO/Illumanti.
If people feel she was just performing for entertainment, & don't have any knowledge of Illumanti, would just be watching wondering where all the goofy costumes, & why Madonna's dressed like some goddess, what would motivate some performer to dress like that with no message behind it. I don't buy it. There's a message, go or bad, it's there.
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[...][/quote]Please calm down. Nobody twisted anything. You were simply nicely asked to use more decent language/examples on this board.
And your again aggressive and very rude reaction towards Tink. And by you telling him that he is disturbed, you really twisted his own words in order to offend him, because he just happens to disagree with you. That's so low!
Stop accusing others of what you are doing, ok? And respect people even if they strongly disagree with you. Nobody has offended you here, yet you continue to do it.
You are obiously just obsessed with me, and Schmadonna, and are the only one needing to "calm down." I make a simple statement that is obvious to anyone with any level a=of taste, which was also obvious to Michael, Janet, and his family, in my first post, and you have been going off on a Schmadonnafest rampage ever since because you are an example of the effect she has on minds too weak not to see what she is. You are defensive and threatened to the point you have to defend your OBVIOUS idol at all costs, and attack me personally for refusing to jump up and down with you over your Boy Toy videos. For someone who doesn't have a problem watching a skanky ho give a pop bottle a blow job, you are just a little too concerned about "decent" language, don't you think? No one with a mind educated enough to understand metaphor would have any objection to a totally valid parallel btween pornography and Schmadonna's pornographifacation of music. Sorry if that was too big a word and concept for you. If you want to claim Amy Grant as your "great artist" hero, and hang out on vigilant citizen, go ahead and whine about my supposed "indecent" metaphors. But if you want to go to the Church of Madonna rituals you've witnessed for 25 years posing as "art," you're obviously no stranger to vulgarity. Give it up and move on.
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"pornographifacation"
Sorry, forum posters. I was temporarily hypnotized by the Bohemian Grove ritual and forgot how to spell. "Pornographication."A fitting term to describe Schma's negative impact on music performance. And it's pretty obvious to anyone not desperate to distract people with BS that "Tink" was the only person who twisted anything. I just called him out on his game. He twisted my likening teenagers entertaining themselves by doing with their penises what he and "SimPattyK" are doing with words into "condoning pedophilia." As if. You have to have quite an imagination to dream that one up. Are you sure you two don't write for Nancy Grace?
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So, you really don't comprehend that speaking about an underaged boy in such a disgusting way, isn't verbal pedophilia?
Then you turn it into an attack back upon me, after I said it disturbed me that you even mentioned it here, after what Michael went through with accusations, and being taken to trial?
Tell me - who are you really, and what is your business here in personally attacking everyone with Strawman arguments?
OK, you busted me. I'm one of Schmadonna's backup dancers mind-controlled sent here by the NWO to plant disinformation by pretending to hate Madonna, just to reverse brainwash you all. If you read my posts backwards you'll see they spell WORSHIP PRINCE." I'm just here to convert the whole MJDH beLIEvers to Prince fans.That's my real "Strawman" agenda. I confess. Give it freaking up. You are obviously the only one attacking anyone personally. No, I don't consider making a comparison between the effect Schm has on teenagers with the masturbatory effect she has on the decaying music industry "verbal pedophilia." Anymore than Michael saying he would want to die if there were no children an admission he was a suicidal child molester. And even answering such an inane accusation is equivalent to offering you a cloth to wipe up your own verbal smegma with, so please leave me out of your future literary fantasies as I'm way too onto your game. I'm all about Michael, and it's getting insulting to my decent sensibilities to keep having the Birdpoophead Goddess followers keep dragging me onto the altar with her. Move on to your next sacrificial victim.
OMG! afraid/ afraid/ afraid/ :lol: geek/ bangbang
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh2Nu2aTPP0[/youtube]
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So, you really don't comprehend that speaking about an underaged boy in such a disgusting way, isn't verbal pedophilia?
Then you turn it into an attack back upon me, after I said it disturbed me that you even mentioned it here, after what Michael went through with accusations, and being taken to trial?
Tell me - who are you really, and what is your business here in personally attacking everyone with Strawman arguments?
OK, you busted me. I'm one of Schmadonna's backup dancers mind-controlled sent here by the NWO to plant disinformation by pretending to hate Madonna, just to reverse brainwash you all. If you read my posts backwards you'll see they spell WORSHIP PRINCE." I'm just here to convert the whole MJDH beLIEvers to Prince fans.That's my real "Strawman" agenda. I confess. Give it freaking up. You are obviously the only one attacking anyone personally. No, I don't consider making a comparison between the effect Schm has on teenagers with the masturbatory effect she has on the decaying music industry "verbal pedophilia." Anymore than Michael saying he would want to die if there were no children an admission he was a suicidal child molester. And even answering such an inane accusation is equivalent to offering you a cloth to wipe up your own verbal smegma with, so please leave me out of your future literary fantasies as I'm way too onto your game. I'm all about Michael, and it's getting insulting to my decent sensibilities to keep having the Birdpoophead Goddess followers keep dragging me onto the altar with her. Move on to your next sacrificial victim.
OMG! afraid/ afraid/ afraid/ :lol: geek/ bangbang
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh2Nu2aTPP0[/youtube]
LOL no, not crazy lol!! Not crazy at all.
Seriously.
Let's not deform our good taste in music.
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I finally decided to watch this Madonna show seeing that it's being discussed. I love you all very much my fellow beLIEvers but I will disagree with all of you who said that there isn’t anything Illuminati-esque in this show of Madonna. To me it was so blatant, so much in your face that I’m surprised some people do not see it. I guess that’s why they’ve become so blatant and in your face with time and why those who dare to say something are now seen as “conspiracy nuts”. The same is going on with 9/11 and all things of the same stripe.
Like it’s been mentioned she said it was the “Holy of Holies” that she was going to “Church” and she ended up singing "Like a prayer". Now please tell me that this comparison doesn’t ring any bell, I am kind of astonished about it. :? Yes it’s all just “entertainment” but look beyond and not just on the surface. They didn’t put up this show by chance; they chose this specific theme for a reason and when we analyze it and connect the dots, it all makes sense and it looked like a ritual.
I also found that the end when she disappears underground was very odd and disturbing. She figuratively went to hell for me. :? That’s how I saw it even if I wasn’t aware of anything Illuminati that would be the obvious meaning for me. How do you explain this part in a positive way?
It was very dark and not the beautiful darkness of a starry night. Doesn't it make you think of what we have been discussing? The two sides good/evil and the choice we have to make? Obviously Madonna has made a choice here because she chose to go underground, even if just in an entertainment form :? I mean that's what it means right?
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I agree Sarahli, it's not just entertainment. I wish people would dissociate themselves of shows that are not quite OK as symbolistics. I for one am not going to "swallow" the whole show just because some songs of her are good. It's not OK to me. See it's a snicky way to transmit a message - wrapping it in some good music - people will be influenced by the hidden message without even realising it, because it's all wrapped nice.
No for me, sorry.
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Here below I quote in blue what I said IN FAVOR of Madonna at the beginning of this thread.
Please note that I left out everything that I wrote AGAINST Madonna.
Message 1
SimPattyK: "Chapeau bas Madonna!! the Artist!! She did a great job! I always loved Madonna, her music, her shows, her videos! She's really a great artist, great entertainer! She's a beautiful woman, very original and very courageous to show a sexy , even vulgar side, without being dis-gracious!! She conquered me with her brave optimistic character. And IMO, Lady Gaga is nothing but a grotesque and poor, pathetic copy of Madonna. Though: I will not commit the mistake to compare Michael to Madonna. (or vice-versa) Nor have I ever compared Elvis to Michael (or vice-versa) They simply CANNOT be compared!!! Nevertheless they are all VALUABLE artists and no one, objective enough, can deny this!"
^^ Here I cut out an even bigger part of my message where I criticized Madonna. (read the whole message here (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=22132.0) )
Message 2 (in reply to Gina's message: "There's nothing a her that makes me feel a good vibration.")
SimPattyK: "I remember how many of her songs made me feel happy and feel like dancing right then and there as I heard them! I think that all in all this is the purpose of music: to make you feel happy (even if you don't have any specific reason), to make you wanna move, dance, jump for joy!! Just like Michael's music, Madonna's songs also pushed me more towards learning the English language, I liked them so much that I really wanted to be able to sing them and understand the lyrics...That's just another positive thing that came from her music to me... and it will never get out of my head. I really have some very beautiful memories on her songs! My all time Madonna favorite is true Blue! I'm telling you I am dancing on my chair right now as I type this! this song just puts me in that state! at one point years ago, I had learned all the choreography of this video by heart! loll :lol: not to mention the "Vogue-hands movement" lmao "You'll see" - This song is also one of my VERY favs! and she is also very beautiful in this video - this is actually my fav Madonna look! She never looked better than in this video, not before nor after!"
^^ Here I cut out the 3 videos of Madonna and another part of my message where I criticized her again. (read the whole message here (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=22132.25) )
SO from my 16 lines(^^in blue), that I DARED to write in favor of Madonna on this hateful negative thread, here's how the user thrillerdancinmachin reacts to me: :shock:
thrillerdancinmachin "Yes, I know all about what goes into a show and effects and rehearsals, wich is why I know she has worked hard, and appreciate the technical skill of my fellow dancers. I disagree with the above statements. 14-year old boys entertain themselves all day with their penises, but to give someone credit as a "great artist" and "entertainer" in the same sentence with MJ and Elvis who essentially delivers the same masturbatory sensation is indicative of the point I brought up; truly great artists like MJ should be given the attention they MERIT and people should have higher expectations. Many of us noticed that after the Superbowl in 3, when Michael lused hi worldwide audience to promote the message "Heal the World," directed toward children, and it could not be denied he was a figure of tremendous power to inspire people to take it upon themselves to change and empower themselves, MJ was taken down and the attacks never let up. There is no "mistake: in noting the difference between his legacy and what we were just served last night resembling a ceremony at Bohemian Grove. I am not a Christian and preoccupied with "anti-christ" dogma. I just think I have a taste level and awareness of what is behind the scenes in the "industry" and politics, and I'm just making the observation that the music industry, government, religion, are in fact highly controlled by the money interests who decide who they will train as a monkey to dance for the people and distract them, and who will serve the purpose of achieving their agenda, whatever that ends up being. Madonna was put in the place she is not because of talent or hard work, that is obvious to any "objective," savvy observer. She stated, while we truly dedicated dancers were really working and taking any job we could get, that she did not want to be dancer because there was no money in it. She has been supported every step of the way by doing exactly what her handlers want her to do. Michael's spirit compelled him to reach beyond that. It is worth noting this because Michael should have been performing the last decade of his life in those venues, but he was a threat to their power structure as he himself stated many times, and he was replaced by what we saw last night and either gotten rid of as his family has openly claimed, or he outsmarted them. Anyone who lives in Hollywood or been in the industry finds this out in a week, or they are not privy to the circles that control what we see.
There is a great deal to compare between Elvis and Michael. It has been addressed on this site in great length. It is also fair to discuss Michael and Prince; both great artists. But the reason most people here are MJ fans is that he was beyond compare. I wasn't comparing Michael and Madonna or "bashing" her, just stating my observations. Michael did not like Madonna either for the same reasons I mentioned. Bette Midler is a great artist and entertainer who did outrageous, shocking, and what some consider vulgar things, but iit was with intelligence and wit. She also mocked Madonna and did not take her seriously.
The point I am bringing up is that there is a thing called discernment, and just like watching porno all day long makes it difficult for men to develop relationships with real women because they expect women to serve their compulsions and be distorted versions of who they really are, watching the circus the controlled media brainwashes you with over the years disguising it as "entertainment" programs you into accepting that as desirable in place of something higher. And they use it to instill their message into your mind. The way Michael used his TRUE talent and power to instill a totally different message. I'm just here to march in MJ's army of L.O.V.E. and not Madonna's Roman procession to the N.W.O. Bilderberger meeting, just sayin. Peace."
You can read my reply and how the rest of this "conversation" took place, on this link: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=22132.25
The conclusive point is, thrillerdancinmachin you opened a thread about Madonna.
Regardless of the thread-subject and regardless of the real intent of the thread-author, everybody is entitled to an opinion and also to be treated with respect, regardless of what the opinion is.
The way you literally jumped at my throat after I had dared to write my 16 lines in favor of Madonna, is everything BUT respectful nor civilized! And what you continued to say to me/us (the attacks on Tink) from there on ... well it totally passed way off the limits of a normal conversation.
I don't know what happened... Maybe you didn't expect to see on your thread opinions that contradict yours. Maybe you expected that all of us hate Madonna as much as you obviously do. From the way you speak about her and the way you attack those who manifest the minimum preference for her, speaks volumes of the level of hatred and anger that you have inside....
I will not repeat my opinion about Madonna's show and the Illuminati stuff, but I definitely didn't see any comments here that can justify so much hatred towards her nor any other human being. I stand by my initial urge that led me to step in this thread in the first place, namely: I stand up for a positive balancing of everything. I don't like extremes nor exaggerations of any kind. And I definitely don't like to see anyone bashed and portrayed in an exaggerated, aggressive way, be it Madonna, Tink, myself or anyone else!
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@Applehead bearhug
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Where is Souza or Bec when you need them.
Thrillerdancemachine - where have you come from? Just curious because you have so much to say, as though you've been here for a long time yet you've only commented in a few threads.
I'd like to please ask that we all be respectful of each other. It's okay to have different opinions on this topic.
Blessings
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@Applehead bearhug
@SimPattyK - Your eloquence speaks volumes, in trying to point out what I was trying to say. My brain failed, so late in the morning here - and I had to get up to work a few hours later (my own fault).
Where is Souza or Bec when you need them.
Thrillerdancemachine - where have you come from? Just curious because you have so much to say, as though you've been here for a long time. Yet, you haven't considered sharing your insight in very many threads.
@voiceforthesilent - bearhug
I don't give a hill of beans, whether I agree, or disagree with everyone here. The fact that people are normally civil, and everyone takes a turn to say their opinion, is cool to me.
It's entertaining if I don't agree, especially when we can all point to where things originate from (say, a book from the 16th century, or perhaps a school of thought back in 12th Century England). Books, authors, opinions, are interesting to me.
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Where is Souza or Bec when you need them.
Thrillerdancemachine - where have you come from? Just curious because you have so much to say, as though you've been here for a long time. Yet, you haven't considered sharing your insight in very many threads.
@voiceforthesilent - bearhug
I don't give a hill of beans, whether I agree, or disagree with everyone here. The fact that people are normally civil, and everyone takes a turn to say their opinion, is cool to me.
It's entertaining if I don't agree, especially when we can all point to where things originate from (say, a book from the 16th century, or perhaps a school of thought back in 12th Century England). Books, authors, opinions, are interesting to me. [/quote]
bearhug to you too, Tink.
ThrillerDanceMachine - bearhug to you too. I really enjoyed your comments in the Conrad Murray Trial thread. Your first hand knowledge of the legal process is very insightful for me, especially regarding the use of the word "alleged". Many people felt that the use of that word was an indicator that Michael's death was only assumed and not fact but hearing it from someone who is familiar with the court system is most helpful.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=21312.msg371557#msg371557
Blessings
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I found another analysis of the performance of Madonna
Madonna mimics the Egyptian Festival and then Papal of the
SED Festival, being driven sitting in your "Chair", being protected by feathers, full in addition to Egyptian symbol.
(http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/8682/hebsedmadonasb212.png)
(http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/636/hebsed2madonna2012.png)
(http://ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/gestatorialchair1.jpg)
(http://ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/egypt-king-small.jpg)
(http://ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/picture-of-egyptian-pontiff-king-carried-on-shoulders-of-)
(http://media.zenfs.com/en-GB/blogs/110-pop/madonna-super-bowl-4.jpg)
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/206/457097168_e10c61fddd.jpg)
(http://globedia.com/imagenes/noticias/2012/2/6/madonna-arrasa-super-bowl-vestida-givenchy-alta-costura_2_1081172.jpg)
(http://www.larazon.com.ar/Festival-Madonna-Super-Bowl_IECIMA20120206_0022_13.jpg)
Madonna adoring the eye that everything looks
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/02/06/article-0-119AB1C8000005DC-0_964x647.jpg)
Celebrating its celebration and ritual of the Egyptian Sed Festival is dressed as a Pope and a Pharaoh. Note also that the celebrations of the Sed Festival celebrated the first day of the month Tybi Peret station, more or less the first month of winter and lasted 10 days. And now in the northern hemisphere (in the United States.)(UU.) where is celebrated the "Super Bowl" is winter. Another notable fact is that the festival and Egyptian ritual of the Heb Sed you held the Pharaoh then 30 years of reign. And Madonna began his career "musical" exactly 30 years ago in 1982! Finally notice as the hieroglyph of the festival and ritual Egyptian/papal of the Sed Festival is composed of a bowl (literally a super bowl) of Alabaster or HEB, and above this two frogs, siendoa frogs which represent the unclean spirits or demons, the greys, each overlooking the northern and southern Egypt Kingdom.
Then Madonna takes a moment of his show (costing every second of the Super Bowl more than U$ S 80,000) to worship the Solar disk and other solar deities, but was originally one of the symbols of the God primogenio Egyptian Wadjet, the God who created the other Egyptian gods, which was depicted as a snake that took shape after a woman. This goddess Wadjet was who before anyone else, even before Horus, was represented with the symbol of the eye that everything looks. Thus, Madonna worships Satan to pay honor to the wing disk.
(http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/310/madonnasuperbowldiscoal.png)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/Wingedglobe2.svg/1000px-Wingedglobe2.svg.png)
(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4088/5086852491_ce2fd7227d_o.jpg)
"World peace", being Jesuit are those who dominate the world and those who cause wars! The Jesuits control the NFL
(http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3471/pazmundialmadonnasuperbb.png)
The symbol of the letter "M" by Madonna is a wing Solar disk. The fact that she then mixes the letter "X" with the "or" is a clear allusion to Osiris and Horus. Remember also that the Egyptian letter "M" is represented by the hieroglyph for "OWL", being the Protector of the Mother goddess. Also 13 (14-1) were parts of Orisis (M) Zombie (X), which after his death had sexual intercourse with his mother, Isis, thus conceiving to Horus (O+X). As last relevant information, notice that your presentation lasts exactly 13 minutes (13 = M).
(http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/7097/mox.png)
(http://www.arasartgallery.com/uploads/3/3/8/2/3382331/rb_winged_disk_symbol.jpg)
(http://wysinger.homestead.com/files/14894.jpg)
Note also as the powerful ritual of the IPOs Magnvs is used in reverse! 1st Rubedo (Golden), then orders the Golden (gold) with the black (lead), and finally the full phase of Nigredo (black). At the end she descends to the underworld beneath the Earth. This is certainly strange.
(http://www.jimloy.com/hiero/yourname.gif)
Video "Give me your luvin alll". Madonna emerges from two men with the number "36" each. 36 + 36 = 72, being seventy-two, the maximum number of her Kabbalah against the Bible
(http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2606/mdna72.png)
Original text in spanish
http://espadadelespiritu.foroactivo.com/t586-analisis-del-esoterico-espectaculo-de-madonna-en-el-super-bowl-2012
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Where is Souza or Bec when you need them.
Thrillerdancemachine - where have you come from? Just curious because you have so much to say, as though you've been here for a long time yet you've only commented in a few threads.
I'd like to please ask that we all be respectful of each other. It's okay to have different opinions on this topic.
Blessings
I have been here since the beginning paying attention to everything in support of Michael, I just haven't posted like the rest. As you can see, I have only kept reposting to correct the laughable and obsessive personal attacks begun by the Schmadonnaites.I really wish they'd focus on the first question I asked and not their imaginary me, since this site is about Michael, not Schma videos.
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"The way you literally jumped at my throat...
...hate Madonna as much as you obviously do.
I don't like extremes nor exaggerations of any kind."
While I acknowledge "SP"'s gifts for exaggeration and total unself-awareness in both imagining I "jumped at my throat" AND in referring mistakenly to Schmadonna as a "great entertainer and artist," and also imagining I consider Schma significant enough to "hate," it's pretty obvious to anyone who reviews the imaginary "conversation" she keeps insisting on dragging on and on that she's gone off her meds again. It was "SP" and her Unorthodox Schmadonna Church members who flew off into an immediate defensive volley against me for "daring" to blaspheme the Holy of Holy name of Schmadonna. I merely clarified and corrected their fallacies in A. mistaking my contrasting the 2 Superbowl presentations for a "comparison" of Shma and Madonna as "artists" that would be insulting to Michael, in my reasoning, to make ; and B. "Tink"'s clueless assumption that I had no idea that houselights go down before a show. The Schmadonnaites went from zero to crazy in 1 post, in true Jordy Chandler/Martin Bashir style, convicting me with all the Nancy Grace logic they could muster, of "condoning pedophilia." No wonder our angel MJ is still being called every name in the book after all this time; facts don't faze anyone once they drink enough Illuminati Kool-Aid. As "Tink" so eloquently stated his objectivity and open-mindedness to "other opinions:"Shame" on anyone who "criticizes" this "great" artist. Well, that would include MJ, then, and I think our dear brother has had enough shame in one lifetime. Quit attacking me for stating the facts and MOVE ON. Quit killing the messenger. I think that was Hermes, and they already did that in the SB after-party in Bohemian Grove. Say something new and relevant to the discussion, your obsession with me is getting old as whatever was hanging out of Schma's underwear in that crotch-shot. Instead of healing the world, she's giving it a new infection. LOL.
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Where is Souza or Bec when you need them.
Working, sleeping, dealing with everyday life?
thrillermachinesomething is on a holiday for a few weeks.
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I feel a little on the fence about this. With the imagery and symbolism relating to Egypt, ancient gods, interwoven with song and dance--I see as edgy artistic. To me, she's just one of many popular female singers out there that has made a name for herself. If one wants to find evil in something, one can probably find it. I find Lady Gaga triply more vulgar and pushing the boundaries, and don't mind her. Some rappers I find over-the-top vulgar and brash.
When I watched Madonna's video, Like a Prayer, I saw some interesting things, when she touched the ceramic black-skinned Jesus, he came alive. I wonder why she didn't have a typical white Jesus? She shows how a black man (is it the same Jesus) is falsely charged for a crime, and put in jail, who she goes to visit. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%2025:31-46&version=NIV (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%2025:31-46&version=NIV) It seems to parallel the black Jesus also being behind church bars (maybe of the world who thinks he should be white). There are burning crosses which signifies to me racism and torture such as burning at the stake. I hear all this talk of her being sacrilegious but I don't see it.
On the other hand in the superbowl show I noticed the men pulling the throne she sat on also with the large feathers, and it reminded me of the men pulling the plane in the movie, Flight of the Pheonix (bird).
(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/flightofph.jpg)
(http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/8682/hebsedmadonasb212.png)
Also I noticed the black Egyptian statue beside the throne, small in relation to her on her throne, perhaps signifying white superiority IDK.
I know she does have a heart for children, seeing as she adopted 1 or 2 third world children. She wasn't MJ's cup of tea, simply because she's too bold/touch of slutty for his liking in women! Doesn't mean she's not a good person, as she works hard, sings well, and is fearless.
Hey, MJ was going to have Gaga do an intro for TII. Whoa!
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I feel a little on the fence about this. With the imagery and symbolism relating to Egypt, ancient gods, interwoven with song and dance--I see as edgy artistic. To me, she's just one of many popular female singers out there that has made a name for herself. If one wants to find evil in something, one can probably find it. I find Lady Gaga triply more vulgar and pushing the boundaries, and don't mind her. Some rappers I find over-the-top vulgar and brash.
When I watched Madonna's video, Like a Prayer, I saw some interesting things, when she touched the ceramic black-skinned Jesus, he came alive. I wonder why she didn't have a typical white Jesus? She shows how a black man (is it the same Jesus) is falsely charged for a crime, and put in jail, who she goes to visit. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%2025:31-46&version=NIV (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%2025:31-46&version=NIV) It seems to parallel the black Jesus also being behind church bars (maybe of the world who thinks he should be white). There are burning crosses which signifies to me racism and torture such as burning at the stake. I hear all this talk of her being sacrilegious but I don't see it.
On the other hand in the superbowl show I noticed the men pulling the throne she sat on also with the large feathers, and it reminded me of the men pulling the plane in the movie, Flight of the Pheonix (bird).
(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/flightofph.jpg)
(http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/8682/hebsedmadonasb212.png)
Also I noticed the black Egyptian statue beside the throne, small in relation to her on her throne, perhaps signifying white superiority IDK.
I know she does have a heart for children, seeing as she adopted 1 or 2 third world children. She wasn't MJ's cup of tea, simply because she's too bold/touch of slutty for his liking in women! Doesn't mean she's not a good person, as she works hard, sings well, and is fearless.
Hey, MJ was going to have Gaga do an intro for TII. Whoa!
MJonmind thank you very much for this wonderful post you did bearhug !!!!!!!
First of all I want to clarify some couple of things that were told here on this topic.I personally don't worship anyone and I'm not star struck with Madonna.If she ever did some things that were let's say not ethical it's her bussiness not ours.She is a BIG GIRL and she can handle her life the way she wants.Unlike some "stars" that are always after scandals I never heard something bad about her.People can say what they want about Madonna but look at her,she's in her 50-ty with 30 years in the business,no drug/drink/nervous breakdown scandal..a woman with fierce determination and focus, a stage presesence that cannot be bought and for 30 years she has been critically mauled, slaughtered & yet still hold her head up high 8-) .
Of course that if someone wants to be negative and always see the worst in people,the discussion will devenitively end with a FIGHT ,lol lolol/ .MJonmind said the best :) :
If one wants to find evil in something, one can probably find it.
I like to see the positive side of this and to my humble opinion ,her show was tribute to the great Elizabeth Taylor respect/ .Some days ago I had posted a video where Madonna spoke so nice about LIz,but I guess no one noticed.Here it is again ;D :
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMRvJhxQfI4&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Cleopatra is one of my favourite movie and I think people should watch again the part where she enters in Rome,WOW that part it's exactly like Madonna did at Superbowl ;)) .Great performance again and BTW Madonna is preparing for a new tour in may ,her 9-th Mondial Tour from her entire career /bravo/ .I wish her good luck :) .
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNjrfXOgZkM&feature=related[/youtube]
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Forget M.I.A’s Bird-Flip, Worry About Pop’s Sexual Moral Decline
Oh Noes!
(http://vigilantcitizen.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/mia-middle-finger-super-bowl-e1328879057798.jpg)
Several days after the Superbowl and its half-time show, which was a highly symbolic occult ritual celebrating the world elite’s stronghold on the masses, people are still shocked by…a finger. Look at the picture above. Look at that long-ass finger of hers. Get over it. To witness the outrage across mass media for this gesture while there is absolutely no attempt to understand the profound symbolism of the 13 minutes performance is staggering…but not surprising. It perfectly reflects our society’s propensity for superficial, knee-jerk reactions to futile matters while avoiding at all cost profound reflections on the bigger picture. Fortunately, some truth manages to find its way in mainstream media such as the following article that appeared in the Huffington Post. Ellen Grace Jones, the author of the article appears to be a reader of this site and understands the agenda being pushed through popular culture. So good job on getting this info published on a mainstream site!
Forget M.I.A’s Bird-Flip, Worry About Pop’s Sexual Moral Decline
It’s hard to believe it’s been eight years since Janet Jackson’s ‘Nipplegate’ and the Superbowl has been seriously lacking a good scandal until now.
Yes we all love a spot of moral outrage and thanks to naughty M.I.A’s, ahem, ‘finger malfunction’ during Grand High Priestess Madge’s Egyptian-Greco-Roman Superbowl spectacle, under the terms of M.I.A’s contract, she now faces a fine to the tune of hundreds of thousands levied by the United States’ Federal Communications Commission. Ouch.
Given the track was mimed and pre-recorded, evil side-eyes should be thrown at other parties for allowing this to happen rather than M.I.A herself. In a playground-esque blame game of ‘I didn’t do it, he did!’ the NFL finger-pointed at NBC, “The NFL hired the talent and produced the half-time show,” they cried! Whilst NBC are framing the NFL, “There was a failure in NBC’s delay system. The obscene gesture in the performance was completely inappropriate, very disappointing, and we apologise.”
M.I.A’s camp just blamed nerves. Right. Cue Operation Damage Control.
Sure the bird-flip was pretty ill-judged – but when you book a provocative performer like M.I.A what did they expect? Given the utter degeneration and hyper-sexualisation of our current crop of female pop performers (Rihanna, Katy Perry, Gaga et al - you know who you are) in terms of debasing, offensive, inappropriate performances, M.I.A.’s middle-finger salute was little more than a cheeky nose-thumbing.
Now don’t panic, I’m not gonna get all Daily Mail on your ass wailing, “Won’t somebody please think of the children??” I’m no prude right-winger but this moral outcry over a daft rebellious gesture serves only to illustrate how Western society’s collective moral compass is seriously askew. If we can froth and pant and seethe over a one second gesture yet simultaneously, gluttonously, ravenously consume toxic pop imagery damaging to impressionable young girls then I have to wonder what the hell is up?
The Parents Television Council accused the NFL of booking “performers who have based their careers on shock, profanity and titillation. Either the NFL and NBC will take immediate steps to hold those accountable for this offensive material in front of a hundred million Americans, or they will feebly sit back and do nothing.”
I do wonder, how many of it’s members have taken their daughter to a Nicki Minaj concert.
The recipe for an archetypal MTV music video now goes a little something like this: take one large slice of hooker-ish attire, mix throughly with a dollop of gyrating and crotch-flashing, add a splash of ghetto-chic, serve it up with S&M overtones and optionally season well with some dark, satanic symbology thrown in for good measure. Yummy!
A new pop star’s contract is more Faustian pact than record deal and it frightens me how dumbed-down and culturally-opiated the West has become to accept this as the norm. Music videos are a hypnotic portal of lethal influence: the current pop landscape is awash with over-sexualisation, dehumanisation/transhuman, mutilation/ritual and militarization /police state themes. Clever purposeful programming to debase and disassociate us from social norms.
The age-old retort of, “It’s not the pop star’s fault it’s the parents for letting them see it” is moot. That there should be parental responsibility is not in doubt – it goes without saying – but is it possible for parents to police the TV, internet, radio and magazine stands at all times? I think not. This imagery is omnipresent, pervasive and corrosive whichever way you look.
Anyway, all the above aside, Madge’s turgid Gimme All Your Luvin’ song was frankly more offensive than M.I.A’s mid-finger-flip. Madonna’s talent has always lied in hijacking a subculture before it permeates the mainstream and intelligently bringing it into our consciousness. For all her commendable gymnastic ability (homegirl sure worked those moves) her last few albums have been a case of idly rent-an-already-huge-star rather than appropriating a bubbling-under trend making it your own. It’s literally a case of cool-by-association ‘If I can’t beat ‘em nowadays, I may as well rope ‘em in to make me cred.’ Madge now appears more lazy coat-tail rider than the radical pop-pioneer she once was.
Maybe she only has herself to blame? After all, she flaunted those overtly sexual vibes in a pop arena first (albeit with subversion and wit) thus opening the floodgates for the new blood to follow, pushing her sexual agenda – both worryingly and potentially – to the point of no return.
- Source: Huffington Post
http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/forget-m-i-as-bird-flip-worry-about-pops-sexual-moral-decline/
And off topic:
Madonna's Israeli fans lobby PM: No war before her concert
(http://i.usatoday.net/communitymanager/_photos/on-deadline/2012/02/09/Madonnax-wide-community.jpg)
In a newly launched Facebook page, Israeli fans of Madonna are pleading with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to delay any plans to attack Iran until after the pop star's May 29 concert in Tel Aviv, Ha'aretz reports.
READ: Israeli plea to Netanyahu Facebook
The name of the Facebook page, in Hebrew, is pretty straightforward, according to Ha'aretz, which is treating the site seriously.
It's called: "Bibi don't start a war with Iran until after Madonna's show on May 29." Bibi is a popular nickname for Netanyahu.
So far, only a few score fans have joined the page. But Ha'aretz, while conceding the obvious triviality of the issue in the face of talk of war over Iran's nuclear program, notes that unrest has indeed taken its toll on visiting entertainers.
In 2006, the electro band Depeche Mode canceled its show in Tel Aviv during the Second Lebanon War and the Red Hot Chili Peppers' bailed out in 2001 during the Second Intifada.
More recently, The Pixies pulled out following the Israeli raid on a Gaza-bound aid flotilla from Turkey in which nine people died.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/02/madonna-israeli-fans-to-bibi-no-war-until-after-her-concert/1
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Forget M.I.A’s Bird-Flip, Worry About Pop’s Sexual Moral Decline
Oh Noes!
(http://vigilantcitizen.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/mia-middle-finger-super-bowl-e1328879057798.jpg)
Several days after the Superbowl and its half-time show, which was a highly symbolic occult ritual celebrating the world elite’s stronghold on the masses, people are still shocked by…a finger. Look at the picture above. Look at that long-ass finger of hers. Get over it. To witness the outrage across mass media for this gesture while there is absolutely no attempt to understand the profound symbolism of the 13 minutes performance is staggering…but not surprising. It perfectly reflects our society’s propensity for superficial, knee-jerk reactions to futile matters while avoiding at all cost profound reflections on the bigger picture. Fortunately, some truth manages to find its way in mainstream media such as the following article that appeared in the Huffington Post. Ellen Grace Jones, the author of the article appears to be a reader of this site and understands the agenda being pushed through popular culture. So good job on getting this info published on a mainstream site!
Forget M.I.A’s Bird-Flip, Worry About Pop’s Sexual Moral Decline
It’s hard to believe it’s been eight years since Janet Jackson’s ‘Nipplegate’ and the Superbowl has been seriously lacking a good scandal until now.
Yes we all love a spot of moral outrage and thanks to naughty M.I.A’s, ahem, ‘finger malfunction’ during Grand High Priestess Madge’s Egyptian-Greco-Roman Superbowl spectacle, under the terms of M.I.A’s contract, she now faces a fine to the tune of hundreds of thousands levied by the United States’ Federal Communications Commission. Ouch.
Given the track was mimed and pre-recorded, evil side-eyes should be thrown at other parties for allowing this to happen rather than M.I.A herself. In a playground-esque blame game of ‘I didn’t do it, he did!’ the NFL finger-pointed at NBC, “The NFL hired the talent and produced the half-time show,” they cried! Whilst NBC are framing the NFL, “There was a failure in NBC’s delay system. The obscene gesture in the performance was completely inappropriate, very disappointing, and we apologise.”
M.I.A’s camp just blamed nerves. Right. Cue Operation Damage Control.
Sure the bird-flip was pretty ill-judged – but when you book a provocative performer like M.I.A what did they expect? Given the utter degeneration and hyper-sexualisation of our current crop of female pop performers (Rihanna, Katy Perry, Gaga et al - you know who you are) in terms of debasing, offensive, inappropriate performances, M.I.A.’s middle-finger salute was little more than a cheeky nose-thumbing.
Now don’t panic, I’m not gonna get all Daily Mail on your ass wailing, “Won’t somebody please think of the children??” I’m no prude right-winger but this moral outcry over a daft rebellious gesture serves only to illustrate how Western society’s collective moral compass is seriously askew. If we can froth and pant and seethe over a one second gesture yet simultaneously, gluttonously, ravenously consume toxic pop imagery damaging to impressionable young girls then I have to wonder what the hell is up?
The Parents Television Council accused the NFL of booking “performers who have based their careers on shock, profanity and titillation. Either the NFL and NBC will take immediate steps to hold those accountable for this offensive material in front of a hundred million Americans, or they will feebly sit back and do nothing.”
I do wonder, how many of it’s members have taken their daughter to a Nicki Minaj concert.
The recipe for an archetypal MTV music video now goes a little something like this: take one large slice of hooker-ish attire, mix throughly with a dollop of gyrating and crotch-flashing, add a splash of ghetto-chic, serve it up with S&M overtones and optionally season well with some dark, satanic symbology thrown in for good measure. Yummy!
A new pop star’s contract is more Faustian pact than record deal and it frightens me how dumbed-down and culturally-opiated the West has become to accept this as the norm. Music videos are a hypnotic portal of lethal influence: the current pop landscape is awash with over-sexualisation, dehumanisation/transhuman, mutilation/ritual and militarization /police state themes. Clever purposeful programming to debase and disassociate us from social norms.
The age-old retort of, “It’s not the pop star’s fault it’s the parents for letting them see it” is moot. That there should be parental responsibility is not in doubt – it goes without saying – but is it possible for parents to police the TV, internet, radio and magazine stands at all times? I think not. This imagery is omnipresent, pervasive and corrosive whichever way you look.
Anyway, all the above aside, Madge’s turgid Gimme All Your Luvin’ song was frankly more offensive than M.I.A’s mid-finger-flip. Madonna’s talent has always lied in hijacking a subculture before it permeates the mainstream and intelligently bringing it into our consciousness. For all her commendable gymnastic ability (homegirl sure worked those moves) her last few albums have been a case of idly rent-an-already-huge-star rather than appropriating a bubbling-under trend making it your own. It’s literally a case of cool-by-association ‘If I can’t beat ‘em nowadays, I may as well rope ‘em in to make me cred.’ Madge now appears more lazy coat-tail rider than the radical pop-pioneer she once was.
Maybe she only has herself to blame? After all, she flaunted those overtly sexual vibes in a pop arena first (albeit with subversion and wit) thus opening the floodgates for the new blood to follow, pushing her sexual agenda – both worryingly and potentially – to the point of no return.
- Source: Huffington Post
http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/forget-m-i-as-bird-flip-worry-about-pops-sexual-moral-decline/
And off topic:
Madonna's Israeli fans lobby PM: No war before her concert
(http://i.usatoday.net/communitymanager/_photos/on-deadline/2012/02/09/Madonnax-wide-community.jpg)
In a newly launched Facebook page, Israeli fans of Madonna are pleading with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to delay any plans to attack Iran until after the pop star's May 29 concert in Tel Aviv, Ha'aretz reports.
READ: Israeli plea to Netanyahu Facebook
The name of the Facebook page, in Hebrew, is pretty straightforward, according to Ha'aretz, which is treating the site seriously.
It's called: "Bibi don't start a war with Iran until after Madonna's show on May 29." Bibi is a popular nickname for Netanyahu.
So far, only a few score fans have joined the page. But Ha'aretz, while conceding the obvious triviality of the issue in the face of talk of war over Iran's nuclear program, notes that unrest has indeed taken its toll on visiting entertainers.
In 2006, the electro band Depeche Mode canceled its show in Tel Aviv during the Second Lebanon War and the Red Hot Chili Peppers' bailed out in 2001 during the Second Intifada.
More recently, The Pixies pulled out following the Israeli raid on a Gaza-bound aid flotilla from Turkey in which nine people died.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/02/madonna-israeli-fans-to-bibi-no-war-until-after-her-concert/1
/white flag/ ;))
Madonna M.I.A.'s Middle Finger Stunt Was Stupid and Childish :lol:
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/02/10/0210-madonna-mia-audio-bn.jpg)
Madonna is lashing out at M.I.A.'s bird-flipping grab for attention during the Super Bowl Halftime show last weekend -- claiming the crude gesture was a "teenager ... irrelevant thing to do."
Madonna called in to "On Air with Ryan Seacrest" this morning -- saying, "I was really surprised. I didn’t know anything about it. I wasn’t happy about it."
Madonna told Ryan, "I understand it’s punk rock and everything, but to me there was such a feeling of love and good energy, and positivity, it seemed negative. It’s such a teenager ... irrelevant thing to do ... there was such a feeling of love and unity there. What was the point?"
Madge added, "It was just out of place."
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/08/09/update-bar.jpg)
Madonna just called in to Carson Daly too, saying M.I.A. has since apologized to her over the incident. :)
P.S.
Talking about middle finger :oops: , Michael you are a naughty boy,especially on stage 8-) :lol: !!!!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHIQEyy_pfo&feature=related[/youtube]
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@MJonMind and AppleHead: thank you for showing one more time that Madonna's show is/was
really dual in meaning and the free will leaves us the choice to see either good or evil in her
artistic presentation. I think this is what makes it such a good artistic performance is
that it makes people think, talk, debate over and it leaves doors to various interpretations.
Once again: good job Madonna!!! Artists nowadays just sell sex and stupid lyrics,
Madonna raised the level to intellectual and spiritual discussions!!
This is just another song that I totally adore, for its positive message,
for the melodic line, for her voice, but especially for the lyrics! ;)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibonPrePQEI[/youtube]
I'm in love with you, you silly thing
Anyone can see
What is it with you, you silly thing
Just take it from me
It was not a chance meeting
Feel my heart beating ... You're the one
You could take all this, take it away
I'd still have it all
Cause I've climbed the tree of life
And that is why, no longer scared if I fall
When I get lost in space
I can return to this place
Cause, you're the one
Nothing fails , No more fears
Nothing fails , You washed away my tears
Nothing fails , No more fears
Nothing fails, Nothing fails
I'm not religious , But I feel so moved
Makes me want to pray, Pray you'll always be here
I'm not religious , But I feel such love
Makes me want to pray
When I get lost in space
I can return to this place
Cause, you're the one
I'm not religious , But i feel so moved
Mmmm mmm...
I'm not religious , Makes me want to pray
I'm not religious , But i feel so moved
Makes me want to pray
Pray you'll always be here
I'm not religious , But i feel such love
makes me want to pray
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[....]I know she does have a heart for children, seeing as she adopted 1 or 2 third world children.
She wasn't MJ's cup of tea, simply because she's too bold/touch of slutty for his liking in women!
Doesn't mean she's not a good person, as she works hard, sings well, and is fearless.
Hey, MJ was going to have Gaga do an intro for TII. Whoa!
Exactly! YESS!! imagine what the "vigilant citizen" - site would have written about Michael if
that had happened! oh my they would have portrayed him as the ultimate satanist just because
he related to lady Gaga!! I mean remember: the "vigilant citizen" - site said Michael is an Illuminati
puppet just because he dated Brooke Shields in the '80s and she was supposedly his handler in that period!
i wonder if they would have said that nowadays Lady Gaga is his handler :? :shock: lmao :lol: :lol:
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[...]First of all I want to clarify some couple of things that were told here on this topic. I personally don't worship anyone
and I'm not star struck with Madonna. If she ever did some things that were let's say not ethical it's her business not ours.
She is a BIG GIRL and she can handle her life the way she wants. Unlike some "stars" that are always after scandals
I never heard something bad about her. People can say what they want about Madonna but look at her,
she's in her 50-ty with 30 years in the business,no drug/drink/nervous breakdown scandal...
a woman with fierce determination and focus, a stage presence that cannot be bought and for 30 years
she has been critically mauled, slaughtered & yet still hold her head up high 8-) .
SO RIGHT !!! ;)
Of course that if someone wants to be negative and always see the worst in people,
the discussion will definitively end with a FIGHT [...]
Not necessarily. This can continue as a PROs and CONs discussion,
on condition that no one offends people anymore just because they have different opinions.
I liked what you said regarding Cleopatra ;)
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I just happened to stumble on this short video today!
I never knew Madonna defended Michael like that back in 2003, when
almost everyone seemed to turn their backs on and betray Michael!
I thought I'd share this with you...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVZyUwoGfN0&feature=g-all-f&context=G23762e6FAAAAAAAAAAA[/youtube]
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This video makes me even more confident that Madonna's performance at the Superbowl was not satanist, but precisely and artistically made to MOCK the Illuminati rituals!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YVIxrJObSbM&fb_source=message[/youtube]
AMAZING! video!! great connections!! Congratulations to Italian beLIEvers from the Mj Fans Forum !! You guys rock!! (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Respect/victoire-584.gif)
After watching this ^^ I definitely believe Madonna is on Michael's side! Thank you MaryK for the link :icon_e_wink: :bearhug:
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That is a great video Sim.......thank you for posting it! I would have never known of these connections or thoughts because I can't go see Madonna's concert. Very interesting....just when I say I don't care for Madonna, something comes along to make me really question her all over again, lol.
Blessings Always
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Yes, she's definitely someone we should look more into...
So far we have her Tribute speech at the Music Awards right after MJ's 'death", then comes this Superbowl performance full of symbolism which could be interpreted either as Illuminati worship or Illuminati mockery!
Now comes her concert full of stuff hinting at MJ's death hoax... What next?
Some interviews with her...or recently made statements...would be interesting at this point!
I haven't followed Madonna lately even though I always loved her music, so I have no clue as to what she has been up to recently...Does anyone have any links or know of something like that?
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Ugh, Madonna...
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List of the names of all persons living in Los Angeles and are on the hoax
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Simpa, thanks for the videos of Madonna defending MJ in 2003, and her concert with possible links to MJ's hoax. :icon_e_biggrin:
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List of the names of all persons living in Los Angeles and are on the hoax
Where is the list?
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No, only what is said by that I do not believe that there are so many people involved in the hoax :icon_e_confused:
the "vigilant citizen" - site said Michael is an Illuminati
puppet just because he dated Brooke Shields in the '80s and she was supposedly his handler in that period!
i wonder if they would have said that nowadays Lady Gaga is his handler :? :shock: lmao :lol: :lol:
Many of the covers for the disks of Michael are full of symbolism, this is a truth that cannot be denied.
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the "vigilant citizen" - site said Michael is an Illuminati
puppet just because he dated Brooke Shields in the '80s and she was supposedly his handler in that period!
i wonder if they would have said that nowadays Lady Gaga is his handler :? :shock: lmao :lol: :lol:
Oh boy this just made spill my soup ,lol :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: !!!!
If Madonna is a Illuminati ( btw what's that ? :icon_geek: ) this mean that Michael and Lady Gaga is that :LolLolLolLol: .As I said before at that time,this was something about Michael not Madonna but no one believed me :icon_mrgreen: :
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/16/article-2204245-150CBDA9000005DC-499_634x807.jpg)
Philip Treacy is the most famous hat maker in the world and he is a huge MJ fan. Although he is almost always referred to as a "british designer", he is in fact Irish. He was interviewed on Irish T.V. recently and was asked about when he worked as the designer for Madonna's superbowl performance and said that MJ was the inspiration for that whole thing, confirming what we all thought at the time. He also said that MJ was so much more interesting than Madonna. Ouch
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the "vigilant citizen" - site said Michael is an Illuminati
puppet just because he dated Brooke Shields in the '80s and she was supposedly his handler in that period!
i wonder if they would have said that nowadays Lady Gaga is his handler :? :shock: lmao :lol: :lol:
Oh boy this just made spill my soup ,lol :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: !!!!
If Madonna is a Illuminati ( btw what's that ? :icon_geek: ) this mean that Michael and Lady Gaga is that :LolLolLolLol: .As I said before at that time,this was something about Michael not Madonna but no one believed me :icon_mrgreen: :
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/16/article-2204245-150CBDA9000005DC-499_634x807.jpg)
Philip Treacy is the most famous hat maker in the world and he is a huge MJ fan. Although he is almost always referred to as a "british designer", he is in fact Irish. He was interviewed on Irish T.V. recently and was asked about when he worked as the designer for Madonna's superbowl performance and said that MJ was the inspiration for that whole thing, confirming what we all thought at the time. He also said that MJ was so much more interesting than Madonna. Ouch
:icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :thjajaja121: :icon_e_confused:
I don't know if the "vigilant citizen" said exactly that or whether it was taken out of context, I'm going to read to see if it is true
A large majority of the people listening to music, but sadly, only a small minority currently understood the true meaning of the letters and their effect on the hearers. Many of the songs currently playing have important intentions and meanings. Many of them contain references to Satanism, sex, the occult and other spiritual meanings, symbolism, and other references that are usually ignored.
There have been many discussions about what is behind the scenes in the music industry, and why many celebrities end up with mental problems, drugs, or simply killed
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If Michael Jackson is an illuminatist, then there are many others that have leanings including top church leaders such as Billy Graham.
Even Jesus possibly had hidden connections that may have been withheld from the masses.
Jesus died at age 33. Israel was divided into 13 tribes, and there were 13 apostles of Jesus. Jesus had a teaching for the masses and something different for his disciples. These and other details are the reasons some claim Jesus was a product of Kabbalistic teaching. Where was he in the years before he reached age 30--travelling? We know he spent much time at the temple where the religious leaders would have been discussing their books, which surely would have included Kabbalah coming out of their captivity time in Babylon. The 3 wise men who visited Jesus as a baby were likely Kabbalists.
http://maggywhitehouse.com/tree-of-sapphires/kabbalah-and-jesus/
http://www.thedyinggod.com/babylon
http://www.thedyinggod.com/bible
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-163334.html
It seems Kabbalism has been part of the design in so much around us--government, entertainment, history, business, education, etc.
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the "vigilant citizen" - site said Michael is an Illuminati
puppet just because he dated Brooke Shields in the '80s and she was supposedly his handler in that period!
i wonder if they would have said that nowadays Lady Gaga is his handler :? :shock: lmao :lol: :lol:
Oh boy this just made spill my soup ,lol :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: !!!!
If Madonna is a Illuminati ( btw what's that ? :icon_geek: ) this mean that Michael and Lady Gaga is that :LolLolLolLol: .As I said before at that time,this was something about Michael not Madonna but no one believed me :icon_mrgreen: :
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/16/article-2204245-150CBDA9000005DC-499_634x807.jpg)
Philip Treacy is the most famous hat maker in the world and he is a huge MJ fan. Although he is almost always referred to as a "british designer", he is in fact Irish. He was interviewed on Irish T.V. recently and was asked about when he worked as the designer for Madonna's superbowl performance and said that MJ was the inspiration for that whole thing, confirming what we all thought at the time. He also said that MJ was so much more interesting than Madonna. Ouch
Yeah, but many are totally confused about Lady Gaga and her Illuminati connections! It's not clear at all whether she is with them or against them!!!
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the "vigilant citizen" - site said Michael is an Illuminati
puppet just because he dated Brooke Shields in the '80s and she was supposedly his handler in that period!
i wonder if they would have said that nowadays Lady Gaga is his handler :? :shock: lmao :lol: :lol:
Oh boy this just made spill my soup ,lol :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: !!!!
If Madonna is a Illuminati ( btw what's that ? :icon_geek: ) this mean that Michael and Lady Gaga is that :LolLolLolLol: .As I said before at that time,this was something about Michael not Madonna but no one believed me :icon_mrgreen: :
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/16/article-2204245-150CBDA9000005DC-499_634x807.jpg)
Philip Treacy is the most famous hat maker in the world and he is a huge MJ fan. Although he is almost always referred to as a "british designer", he is in fact Irish. He was interviewed on Irish T.V. recently and was asked about when he worked as the designer for Madonna's superbowl performance and said that MJ was the inspiration for that whole thing, confirming what we all thought at the time. He also said that MJ was so much more interesting than Madonna. Ouch
(http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Surpris/3d-surpris-non.gif) O_M_F_G !!! (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Surpris/machoire2.gif) (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Rires/3d-moqueur-rire-3.gif)
Madonna went like really NUTS !! :thjajaja121: Unless it's not her!? :icon_question: :icon_e_confused: Could that be an sosie/impersonator? :icon_eek: :icon_lol:
I am shocked and disappointed... wtf is wrong with her?
I miss Madonna from the '90s. :-\
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That´s Gaga, not Madonna in the pic, right?
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That´s Gaga, not Madonna in the pic, right?
LMFAO :)))))))))))))) :thjajaja121: I think you're right, I mean I HOPE you're right!! ROFL :))) :thjajaja121: At least, that way, it means Madonna hasn't gone completely crazy, yet!!
If it's Gaga it's no wonder!! no surprise at all! One day we will see her with a toilette on her head! :thjajaja121:
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That´s Gaga, not Madonna in the pic, right?
LMFAO :)))))))))))))) :thjajaja121: I think you're right, I mean I HOPE you're right!! ROFL :))) :thjajaja121: At least, that way, it means Madonna hasn't gone completely crazy, yet!!
If it's Gaga it's no wonder!! no surprise at all! One day we will see her with a toilette on her head! :thjajaja121:
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It´s Gaga with designers Philip Treacy at Fashion Week in London. She is wearing one of his creations.
Truly a friendly turn :icon_lol:
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Tks for reassuring me @MaryK :icon_lol:
I still miss Madonna from the '90s though :icon_lol:
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Gaga for goats....goats have to eat :icon_lol:
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSDSG1fnPvWSLTAfvvi8nPm_sTm-kwtVkz8M9CP51yrq_t2MJr81g)
She could feed a small herd of goats with that thing!
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Gaga seems a tad underdressed to really impress me with that floral creation.
Perhaps she can borrow Madonna's beard of bees to go with all those flowers to complete the look.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6kBP-86-E0o/TUGfy4Aom5I/AAAAAAAAAB8/MpXCrYlgL6Q/s320/madge.jpg)
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OMG! :thjajaja121: this thread just cracked me up today :icon_lol: :icon_lol:
Never seen that Madonna pic... :affraid: What's that?? a photoshopp or what? :animal0017:
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:thjajaja121: Yeah has to be photoshop, unless she really does keep bees :animal0017:
I was thinking to myself while reading this thread that Gaga should have some bees buzzing around her sipping nectar with all those flowers on her head and :icon_idea: hey... she could wear a bee beard. So I google beard of bees and up pops Madonna wearing one on the first page of pictures. Very strange. :icon_lol:
And I think Gaga would be up for wearing it too.
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Tha is Michael sitting to the right isn't it? Or am I going nuts?
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Tha is Michael sitting to the right isn't it? Or am I going nuts?
I doubt it. Pic is from Fashion Week last week in London.
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And this? :errrr:
(http://www.atriunfar.net/Notas/1326077981_gaga.jpg)
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I'm sending you my glasses hesout.....I think that's a woman to the right and the one with the cap on next to her we can only see an ear and short black hair.
(http://www.montenegropropertyforum.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/glasses.jpg)
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Or is it my left??? next to the white haired guy, leaning behind him and talking. shoot me now, lol.
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LMAO :thjajaja121: You guys sure restored my laughter today with this thread!!
love you all :bearhug:
post-edit: that photo seems to make us see people that are not there! :thjajaja121:
I saw Madonna and she wasn't! :icon_lol:
@hesouttamylife sees Michael in it, and he isn't there either! :icon_lol: :icon_lol:
I think Gaga's head has a hallucinogen effect !! :icon_lol: :icon_lol:
Gaga for goats....goats have to eat :icon_lol:
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSDSG1fnPvWSLTAfvvi8nPm_sTm-kwtVkz8M9CP51yrq_t2MJr81g)
She could feed a small herd of goats with that thing!
:thjajaja121:
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I would like my strait jacket now thank you very much.
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR4XBh96CoPV6LP5QNrQPmyiOMmHABsu6kbWbgdvd-N5AOoare1)
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I would like my strait jacket now thank you very much.
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR4XBh96CoPV6LP5QNrQPmyiOMmHABsu6kbWbgdvd-N5AOoare1)
:thjajaja121: :bearhug: :bearhug: :bearhug:
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Gaga, Goat.....Goat, Gaga.....
What's the Big Difference?
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQwshcDVZbfTs_SbVzrTS6MvpRQDWKn6uhPT9FwEUhFsksW8o4F)
(http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_full_width_scaled/hash/eb/39/1347900766_6701_gcover2.jpg)
*I'll be in need of the that jacket soon as well.....bulk discount perhaps :icon_lol: :icon_eek:
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Or is it my left??? next to the white haired guy, leaning behind him and talking. shoot me now, lol.
Okay then, ready to shoot! :thjajaja121: :thjajaja121:
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Gaga, Goat.....Goat, Gaga.....
What's the Big Difference?
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQwshcDVZbfTs_SbVzrTS6MvpRQDWKn6uhPT9FwEUhFsksW8o4F)
(http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_full_width_scaled/hash/eb/39/1347900766_6701_gcover2.jpg)
*I'll be in need of the that jacket soon as well.....bulk discount perhaps :icon_lol: :icon_eek:
:thjajaja121: :thjajaja121:
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Madonna is a Illuminati? This statement is very stupid!
1. Yes, also today exist negative occult order. But the Illuminati Order (1776-1785) was never very powerful and dangerous and was not exist for a long time.
2. Madonna is a great artist and the message of their music videos and in the Superbowl Halftime Show is very positive.
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Madonna as ISIS/Kleopatra:
(http://violetapurpledotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/madonna-super-bowl-597x826.jpg)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_mJZP0OUI4[/youtube]
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Michael Jackson and Madonna:
(http://www.viply.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/mijaunmaonzu.jpg)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFpMSChGwVg[/youtube]
The King and the Queen of Pop Forever!
Sven Mansfeld