Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: InvincibleHistory on February 01, 2012, 06:16:23 PM
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I know what I'm going to say won't be very popular. But what I say is out of compassion and concern. I have been reading this site for a few months and I'm very sorry to say that this is a serious case of extreme denial. Many of you are waiting for something that will never happen. Claiming Michael faked his death would be problematic on its own but what I've read is a massive fantasy comprising everything from FBI stings, hidden codes and fake trials to Eddie Murphy in disguise and connections to films and adverts. There's a serious need for a reality check.
Everything that's supposedly evidence is nothing of the sort. All that's been done is making connections that don't exist. If you watch every film, advert and TV show with the intention of finding "clues", you naturally end up finding things that aren't there. This is not evidence or proof. I could sit down and watch Superman or Lord of the Rings and find "clues" or "hints".
There's also a fundamental problem with all this. On the one hand you say Michael was under threat from power elites and had to fake his death to avoid being killed by them, and on the other you say he did the hoax with the help and assistance of the FBI, police and US government, among others. Don't you see the illogical fallacy in this? How can he be terrified of power elites but be powerful enough to get law enforcement, judicial and legal systems to partake in a hoax? How can he simulataneously be an enemy of the power elites and also be powerful enough to make them do what he wants?
I don't expect to change any minds. You're entitled to think what you want. But I'm just concerned that many of you are raising your hopes for something that can never happen and are playing an endless waiting game. Some of you may never stop waiting, but those of you who eventually accept that he's not alive will have to finally come to terms with his death, something you've avoided for too long.
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That is your opinion....Eddie Murphy :?: :roll:
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InvincibleHistory - thank you for sharing your concern with us. And, thank you for being polite and considerate while stating your opinion.
I understand what you are saying but I wonder where I, and others like me, fall in? We weren't fans of Michael Jackson before June 25, 2009. We thought he was dead. Yet, it was all of the strange occurrences that didn't add up that sent us searching for the truth.
I consider myself a realist which is why I have trouble believing a lot of the theories posted here and on other websites. But, it's also because I tend to look at things logically that I struggle to believe that I am in a case of serious denial. I am open to believing both sides but until the answers that sent me searching are answered I have to believe Michael is still among the living. Maybe one day we'll all learn the real truth. Thank God.
Blessings to you and thanks again for being concerned.
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Sorry, but it's not us who are in denial. Thank you for your concern, but we are all big girls. If Michael is dead than I am the easter bunny.
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For me, one of the biggest mysteries in Michael's case, is how come some people take the time to register on this forum just to express their contrary opinion and their concern for us. I guess they must be really generous and carrying. We should admire them .... they just give us class, really. I mean I am so selfish: I would never even think to care so much about non-believers and go to their forums and tell them how concerned I am about them for refusing to accept the reality as it is. Wow I am such a bad person! not very thoughtful at all.
Don't you see the illogical fallacy in this? How can he be terrified of power elites but be powerful enough to get law enforcement, judicial and legal systems to partake in a hoax? How can he simulataneously be an enemy of the power elites and also be powerful enough to make them do what he wants?
Funny how regardless of our position, we are puzzled by the same things ;) I guess this is the real reason why some people still come here... something kind of attracts them here... the mystery? the true reality? the question marks? the curiosity? the feeling that maybe they could learn the answer to their questions here? hummm... who knows? suspicious//
maybe not all of us end up registering on this forum out of similar intentions, but hopefully we'll all end up finding the same answers to our questions. The key is: lot of research on our own!
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Hi!
With all due respect, I respect your opinion as I used to think Michael was dead too: killed by 'them'. I then realized that there is more evidence for him being alive than dead! I believe he did just what he said he was going to do: outthink them!
Anyways, I am not an MJ fan, and never really was. And...my happiness/joy rests in God.
However, I will be here to support Michael and the rest of the Jacksons any way possible. I am also here to see if I can in any way help Michael get back his good name, since he was innocent all along.
But...my happiness does not depend on his return or anything, as I am not a fan.
With love.
Edit: as far as getting people like the FBI involved, I think a few people in key places were supporting him all along and are helping him execute his plan after they realized the injustices that he endured.
If this is true (that he got a few key people in on the plan to execute it), you have to admit, it's genius.
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"How can he simultaneously be an enemy of the power elites and also be powerful enough to make them do what he wants?" Interesting question. It's quite the paradox isn't it? I think most of us came to terms with his death, but then began to notice things not right or adding up. I've read some great questions, discussions and creative thoughts here... nothing wrong with that.
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I know what I'm going to say won't be very popular. But what I say is out of compassion and concern. I have been reading this site for a few months and I'm very sorry to say that this is a serious case of extreme denial. Many of you are waiting for something that will never happen. Claiming Michael faked his death would be problematic on its own but what I've read is a massive fantasy comprising everything from FBI stings, hidden codes and fake trials to Eddie Murphy in disguise and connections to films and adverts. There's a serious need for a reality check.
Everything that's supposedly evidence is nothing of the sort. All that's been done is making connections that don't exist. If you watch every film, advert and TV show with the intention of finding "clues", you naturally end up finding things that aren't there. This is not evidence or proof. I could sit down and watch Superman or Lord of the Rings and find "clues" or "hints".
There's also a fundamental problem with all this. On the one hand you say Michael was under threat from power elites and had to fake his death to avoid being killed by them, and on the other you say he did the hoax with the help and assistance of the FBI, police and US government, among others. Don't you see the illogical fallacy in this? How can he be terrified of power elites but be powerful enough to get law enforcement, judicial and legal systems to partake in a hoax? How can he simulataneously be an enemy of the power elites and also be powerful enough to make them do what he wants?
I don't expect to change any minds. You're entitled to think what you want. But I'm just concerned that many of you are raising your hopes for something that can never happen and are playing an endless waiting game. Some of you may never stop waiting, but those of you who eventually accept that he's not alive will have to finally come to terms with his death, something you've avoided for too long.
Nice. I have a question I am VERY MUCH curious about, you might be able to answer since your logic is brighter cause you are not in denial: what family/mother would have been happy and satisfied by conviction of KILLER/MURDERER Conrad Murray who got only 4 years for INVOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER and will be released sooner? Right here, not counting many other inconsistences, we already observe controversy what family has said vs. their current silence. If you have ever followed them, that's what family exactly have said at the beginning, as well as that "the truth will be revealed, there is much more going on that will be discovered, MJ was killed", "we know who's behind, CM is a fall guy", etc. (Jermain, LaToya, Joe),right? So, what happened now? Is real justice no longer bothers Michael's family?
Not all people is waiting for MJ to come back. Had I been in his place, I would not come back. I personally think he won't be back.
We are in denial not because we do not know how use logic, quite opposite, we do use logic and have independent brain that works pretty well to see that facts simly do not add up not that we connect them to see clues, that's why we are in denial. One of the multiple examples: Karen Faye's description of Michael appearance in the casket does not match La Toya's. Why? I remember in details my mother's look 22 years ago in the casket, so does my sister; our description matches.
Involvement of authorities in hoax is only one of the many options has been considered here, not a fact.
To answer on your question, Yes, Michael Jackson is powerful enough to use whomever he wants to since this is a take over. Many bastards used MJ as a money machine and falsly accused and tortured him for NO REASON, now it is his time. "It isn't over yet, you ain't see nothing yet" -MJ.
Jermain in 2009 on TII premier: "This is it, but this is not really it. This is not a final curtain call. There is much much more to come". MJ in TII :"BAM. Let me breath my own time when I come back here...unbotton my jacket, shirt, whatever it is, look around, flip my fingers... and BAM!" We are getting messages, that's why we are in denial.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQAJznN885o&feature=related[/youtube]
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Sorry, but it's not us who are in denial.
It's not about denial, it's just there are things out there that make us doubt he is dead.
@InvincibleHistory - I feel like teling you this: I am one of those who usually have doubts and I really want to put my heart at ease but I just can't because the way he supposedly died does not make any sense to me.
The day I'll find some logic in his death will be the day I will stop coming here and hoping.
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Why is everybody so worried about the beLIEvers??? there are other things that fans who do not beLIEve can do, like go attack the people who tried to ruin michaels name. no need to worry about what we do, if you do not beLIEve you do not have to come to hoax websites. if michael never comes back i will still beLIEve. If there comes a point when i know he is dead i still will not regret my journey to the TRUTH. now imma tell you in the words of the man himself, MICHAEL JACKSON
There's A Time When
You're Right
And You Know You Must
Fight
Who's Laughing Baby-Don't
You Know?
And There's The Choice That
We Make
And This Choice You Will
Take
Who's Laughin' Baby?
SO JUST LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!!!!!!
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Hi InvincibleHistory! I really hope you will stick around, and read some more in some of our main hoax threads. Perhaps you are scared to be wrong, or disappointed. I thought he was dead for several weeks after June 25, and afterwards still agonized with occasional doubts, but it was the sheer weight of the evidence--literally mountains of it that has convinced me beyond a shadow of doubt. I appreciate you being honest with your opinion so respectfully. Most of us have been where you are now. Been there, done that. So cheer up, you're in the right place!
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InvincibleHistory, welcome to forum, and you seem very polite and level headed...
I am too, or at least I used to be....
I am not a fan as most others here are....what I felt was a complete injustice and shock when I heard MJ had died..and so close to his comeback.....then alarm bells started ringing....that's history repeating itself........Elvis Presley !!
I began to search more about the death of MJ because of all the wierdness around it all....70 days before burial.....lack of emotion from family members, backstage pictures of the memorial, just to name a few inconsistencies.........Then I went to see This is It....I cried so hard at the end, that I stayed behind......just before the lights came on, another scene came on with MJ...."I was like WTF"
Most others had left already...........I thought that was really odd too.
I am not in denial ...I have no reason to be, but enjoy investigating at every level....God bless xxx
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For me, one of the biggest mysteries in Michael's case, is how come some people take the time to register on this forum just to express their contrary opinion and their concern for us. I guess they must be really generous and carrying. We should admire them .... they just give us class, really. I mean I am so selfish: I would never even think to care so much about non-believers and go to their forums and tell them how concerned I am about them for refusing to accept the reality as it is. Wow I am such a bad person! not very thoughtful at all.
Don't you see the illogical fallacy in this? How can he be terrified of power elites but be powerful enough to get law enforcement, judicial and legal systems to partake in a hoax? How can he simulataneously be an enemy of the power elites and also be powerful enough to make them do what he wants?
Funny how regardless of our position, we are puzzled by the same things ;) I guess this is the real reason why some people still come here... something kind of attracts them here... the mystery? the true reality? the question marks? the curiosity? the feeling that maybe they could learn the answer to their questions here? hummm... who knows? suspicious//
maybe not all of us end up registering on this forum out of similar intentions, but hopefully we'll all end up finding the same answers to our questions. The key is: lot of research on our own!
/bravo/ /bravo/ /bravo
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Welcome to the forum InvincibleHistory!
You should stick around because you are up for a BIG surprise this year!!
bearhug
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InvincibleHistory hello. I do not understand that has led you to join a forum that is research on a topic, I see what you are unsure.
I respect your opinion. I personally participate in another forum, and many of its members have changed their mind and accepted the idea that Michael is dead, that's why I'm here. This is a place where I can find some answers to my questions, learning things I did not know and share my views with people who share my sentiment: Michael is alive!
If one day my feeling changes, I'll go to a fan club.
I'm not saying that's what you gotta do, just ask me what was the reason that brought you here. God bless you. moonwalk_/
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This is your first post and it will be the last one >:(. keep your opinions to yourself and don't go back here anymore because michael is still moonwalking moonwalk_/ >:( >:( >:(
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:roll: Michael Jackson's family, whose mother is Jehovah's Witness, did not allow her son to remain "unburied' for nearly three months frozen in a cooler in somebody's basement or where ever it was supposed to have been kept, and then thawed it out, dressed it, and buried it on his birthday, which btw they don't even celebrate. If you believe they did then I have some sand I want to sell to the Arabs.
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This is your first post and it will be the last one >:(. keep your opinions to yourself and don't go back here anymore because michael is still moonwalking moonwalk_/ >:( >:( >:(
Apart from Akhtoni, thank you to everyone for welcoming me and taking my comments in the right spirit. We'll never agree on this but we're still all fans of Michael Jackson.
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This is your first post and it will be the last one >:(. keep your opinions to yourself and don't go back here anymore because michael is still moonwalking moonwalk_/ >:( >:( >:(
Apart from Akhtoni, thank you to everyone for welcoming me and taking my comments in the right spirit. We'll never agree on this but we're still all fans of Michael Jackson.
because you made me angry >:( while i was hoping michael's comback be 2012 you came and said that he is dead .that's unbelievable and if what i said hurt you i am sorry
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This is your first post and it will be the last one >:(. keep your opinions to yourself and don't go back here anymore because michael is still moonwalking moonwalk_/ >:( >:( >:(
Apart from Akhtoni, thank you to everyone for welcoming me and taking my comments in the right spirit. We'll never agree on this but we're still all fans of Michael Jackson.
because you made me angry >:( while i was hoping michael's comback be 2012 you came and said that he is dead .that's unbelievable and if what i said hurt you i am sorry
Akhtoni bearhug you seem like the kind of person who will jump into a fight to help your friend without even knowing why they are fighting. I admire you for that. But we should be nice to guests who come with questions :)
In the end the truth is the truth. It won't matter who's right or wrong. But it does matter how we reach the finish line. She/he is right - we all love and admire Michael Jackson regardless of what we believe.
You are loved and appreciated.
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We'll never agree on this but we're still all fans of Michael Jackson.
Nope. This is not a fan site.
There's a bunch of people here who are not fans of Michael Jackson.
Rubbing your eyes?
Dig deeper. ;)
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InvincibleHistory - thank you for sharing your concern with us. And, thank you for being polite and considerate while stating your opinion.
I understand what you are saying but I wonder where I, and others like me, fall in? We weren't fans of Michael Jackson before June 25, 2009. We thought he was dead. Yet, it was all of the strange occurrences that didn't add up that sent us searching for the truth.
I consider myself a realist which is why I have trouble believing a lot of the theories posted here and on other websites. But, it's also because I tend to look at things logically that I struggle to believe that I am in a case of serious denial. I am open to believing both sides but until the answers that sent me searching are answered I have to believe Michael is still among the living. Maybe one day we'll all learn the real truth. Thank God.
Blessings to you and thanks again for being concerned.
well..he's not being respectful at all. He is basically saying we are all wrong and crazy for believing in something that to him is incomprehensible and unrealistic. that we should just subscribe to the mainstream beliefs and ideals that most of the world believes in. No way in hell is anybody going to tell me MJ is dead. Thats my personal opinion. I'm not going by what others state and just ride with the tide. IF michael wants to comeback at any time, okay, that's cool. but just because he isn't coming back now doesn't mean hes dead. I haven't posted on this board in a while, but do you guys lose faith and think I'm dead? of course not. because that would be spewing nonsense. I haven't been paying much attention to this site lately...not because i'm losing hope, but rather I simply won't be burdened by hearing about who Michael has been lied to and who has been deceiving him. Can't handle reading all the negativity associated with MJ or anything for that matter. However, i'm still VERY AWARE of what he is trying to accomplish and I believe in his message. so I don't think it would be appropriate to adequately attribute my sense of apathy at this moment for ignorance.
Btw...we all have eccentricities. it is abnormal to exhibit characteristics of normality. One reason being it is impossible to define it. What makes you so sure this is our reality? What are YOU saying OUR reality should be? It's whatever you make it out to be. in my reality, I certainty believe in faith, understanding, companionship, following your dreams, and resiliency. but what makes you so sure that our reality is really what it is? perhaps you need to re-evaluate the world you live in. because maybe the reality you want us to wake up to is a generic anomaly conditioned by the media and the external influences. you have to be willing to stretch the boundaries of comprehension, and dig a little deeper. understand that while you think reality is subscribing to the general notion, there are those who are open-minded enough to entertain a theory without conclusively ignore as if it isn't possible. your mind will take you as far as you let it, so don't limit yourself to such a closed-minded assertion. everybody is capable of making connections, but only genuine people can distinguish between fact and fiction. you're living in fiction, maybe, but becuase you haven't been here long enough to do your research, you assume your correct.
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I wonder why non-believers are in a denial to understand that our faith is strong enough and we know that Michael is alive!
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We'll never agree on this but we're still all fans of Michael Jackson.
Nope. This is not a fan site.
There's a bunch of people here who are not fans of Michael Jackson.
Rubbing your eyes?
Dig deeper. ;)
That is very true
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.... michael is still moonwalking ....moonwalk_/ >:( >:( >:(
Oh I love you for this answer!
Hugs.
Like what he told TMZ reporters when they asked him if he can still moonwalk "Why wouldn't I be able to?!"
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Sorry, but it's not us who are in denial. Thank you for your concern, but we are all big girls. If Michael is dead than I am the easter bunny.
Not all of us are "girls". lol
If Michael is dead I'll accept it. Right now, it's a matter of logic and objectivity that favors the hoax death theory
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yeah, i'm not big..or a girl. i'm mrbigshot though, but still no girl. i do love them though
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.... michael is still moonwalking ....moonwalk_/ >:( >:( >:(
Oh I love you for this answer!
Hugs.
Like what he told TMZ reporters when they asked him if he can still moonwalk "Why wouldn't I be able to?!"
Thanks GINA bearhug
we must be all michael's army of love and don't let suspicious come to our mind
Michael is alive
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Yes indeed, it is time to accept reality and move on.
That's why I have proceeded to Sign 1 and am studying the prophesies of Daniel with a little help from my friends.
Ps. nice to see the gents turning out here.
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Akhtoni bearhug you seem like the kind of person who will jump into a fight to help your friend without even knowing why they are fighting. I admire you for that. But we should be nice to guests who come with questions :)
In the end the truth is the truth. It won't matter who's right or wrong. But it does matter how we reach the finish line. She/he is right - we all love and admire Michael Jackson regardless of what we believe.
You are loved and appreciated.
Thanks voiceforthesilent bearhug
yes we should be nice with people who are nice :) You are really the voice for the silent bearhug
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Yes indeed, it is time to accept reality and move on.
That's why I have proceeded to Sign 1 and am studying the prophesies of Daniel with a little help from my friends.
Ps. nice to see the gents turning out here.
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Good to see that you are "digging into" Sign 1 even though you are leaning more towards atheism.... hats off! ;)
This is the hat: mj_dance/
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quite interesting how of all of the things on this site you seem to have picked up on what would probably make the best tabloid fodder.
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I'm not leaning towards anything. I am as atheist as an atheist can be, that is ascertained. But atheism does not equate refusal to consider information. I have already learned many things, and I expect to learn much more through this study.
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I'm not leaning towards anything. I am as atheist as an atheist can be, that is ascertained. But atheism does not equate refusal to consider information. I have already learned many things, and I expect to learn much more through this study.
Yes, of course you are! My bad... It was a compliment you know ;)
No hard feelings /white flag/ :lol:
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Lol, jono. All's well my friend. I just didn't want anyone getting the wrong idea.
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@bec
beerchug
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AKHTONI, I’ve never seen anyone use so many >:( . I found that :lol: ! It's a shame some of the smilies are rarely used!!
Mrbigshot and Son, I'm so glad we are such a mix, assorted, of so many genres! Big boys or "big girls", fans or not, as Front would say "Nappy or non-nappy", beLIEvers or doubters, and deists or atheists. beerchug
(http://www.edmontonjournal.com/life/5867301.bin)
Bec, I'm so glad you're digging in to Sign #1. I'm looking forward to your thoughts when you're ready!
I don't know why, but I have this lurking hunch that there is something of an entertainment level about TS's Sign #1 post as well. But IDK.
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.... michael is still moonwalking ....moonwalk_/ >:( >:( >:(
Oh I love this answer!
Thank you both Gina and Akhtoni. :lol:
http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=d761b1f1-8f1a-4eda-a236-dbcc81515364
Hugs.
Like what he told TMZ reporters when they asked him if he can still moonwalk "Why wouldn't I be able to?!"
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yeah that's the one.
"Why wouldn't I be able to?!"
Exactly ;D
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AKHTONI, I’ve never seen anyone use so many >:( . I found that [/size] :lol: ! It's a shame some of the smilies are rarely used!!
ok how about this :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) bounce/ bounce/ penguin/ penguin/ /woohoo/ /woohoo/ ;D ;D ;D :) :) bearhug party/
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Your concern is duly noted.
Here is a pic of Michael's father and the Rev. Jesse Jackson the day after Michael's "death". What do you suppose is so effing funny?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v424/cat_girl25/in_mourning6262009.png)
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I couldn't stop crying, when my dad died for a very long time. Seeing them laugh like that seems oddly out of place.
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I couldn't stop crying, when my dad died for a very long time. Seeing them laugh like that seems oddly out of place.
You are right Tink >:( !!! It's not only out of place,it's also disrespectful and it shows the kind of man Joe is >:( .That is all I have to say because the rest it's history,lol :( .
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I wonder why non-believers are in a denial to understand that our faith is strong enough and we know that Michael is alive!
/bravo/ bow/
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AKHTONI, I’ve never seen anyone use so many >:( . I found that :lol: ! It's a shame some of the smilies are rarely used!!
Mrbigshot and Son, I'm so glad we are such a mix, assorted, of so many genres! Big boys or "big girls", fans or not, as Front would say "Nappy or non-nappy", beLIEvers or doubters, and deists or atheists. beerchug
(http://www.edmontonjournal.com/life/5867301.bin)
Bec, I'm so glad you're digging in to Sign #1. I'm looking forward to your thoughts when you're ready!
I don't know why, but I have this lurking hunch that there is something of an entertainment level about TS's Sign #1 post as well. But IDK.
Not really much of a difference between Deists and Atheists. I'd say the continuum works like this: Theists (believe in God actively) --> Deists (passively believe in a creator, existence of God is more or less irrelevant outside of this) --> Atheists (no belief)
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For me, one of the biggest mysteries in Michael's case, is how come some people take the time to register on this forum just to express their contrary opinion and their concern for us. I guess they must be really generous and carrying. We should admire them .... they just give us class, really. I mean I am so selfish: I would never even think to care so much about non-believers and go to their forums and tell them how concerned I am about them for refusing to accept the reality as it is. Wow I am such a bad person! not very thoughtful at all.
Don't you see the illogical fallacy in this? How can he be terrified of power elites but be powerful enough to get law enforcement, judicial and legal systems to partake in a hoax? How can he simulataneously be an enemy of the power elites and also be powerful enough to make them do what he wants?
Funny how regardless of our position, we are puzzled by the same things ;) I guess this is the real reason why some people still come here... something kind of attracts them here... the mystery? the true reality? the question marks? the curiosity? the feeling that maybe they could learn the answer to their questions here? hummm... who knows? suspicious//
maybe not all of us end up registering on this forum out of similar intentions, but hopefully we'll all end up finding the same answers to our questions. The key is: lot of research on our own!
source: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=5167.msg357303#msg357303
beLIEvers vs. NONbelievers? <----ain't got nothin' to do with it! FAKE fans and tabloid ASSociates have existed in the music industry since the industry was born. And my POV on their SANCTIMONIOUS, GREEDY, SELF-RIGHTEOUS PUNK A$$ES shall remain UNwavering. Why? Because it's T-R-U-T-H!!!
Think BaSHIT, Dimond, All-Wrong…just 3 examples of many. A dime a dozen!
MJ fan boards are not exempt from infestation. You'd be surprised at how many FF's and TA's --- Evildoers Anon --- there are lurking about…..because they too Keep Watchin'!
Furthermore, I will CONTINUE to defend the Jackson Family and the TRUE fans from FAKE fans, tabloid ASSociates…Until. The. End!!!
If you ain't GUILTY, then move on from this post--it doesn't apply to you!
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To me, there is nothing logical about MJ's supposed death on 6/25/09. I still stand firm in my belief that MJ is alive. MJ is so much more smarter than what the media portrayed him to be. Especially after seeing the Cirque show and reading the program book, it dovetails together to nicely to be accidental. MJ's hand is behind it all.
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/overreacting/
I couldn't stop crying, when my dad died for a very long time. Seeing them laugh like that seems oddly out of place.
My point is, it's like they're laughing saying, "Dude, he got away with it, whooo-hooo! And look at these morons with the cameras - they have NO IDEA why we're laughing and smiling! Bet they think we're talking of an old joke. As long as I say, 'King of Pop' and not my son's name, I'm not lying, the fools! Thanks for the tip, Reverend!" "Yeah, he's such a genius. Now, your house doesn't go into foreclosure, and all the bills get paid!" "We're in the green again, I can't help but feel relief!"
THAT is more like what I meant. Unfortunately, I didn't lipread them.
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I love this quote from Jermaine's book and it definitely applies to (and was written for) the hoax. On page 391:
"Because no comeback is truly a comeback until the odds seem impossible."
And yes, the word seem is italicized in the book.
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And look at these morons with the cameras - they have NO IDEA why we're laughing and smiling!
The morons would include the millions of people around the world who were in tears and grief?
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And look at these morons with the cameras - they have NO IDEA why we're laughing and smiling!
The morons would include the millions of people around the world who were in tears and grief?
What is your interest in this site? I try to understand why you came here, why you care about this.
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Well said Voice for the Silent this is exactly how i feel im not a fan either i have loved Michaels music over the years but i havnt followed him like some fans have throughout the years that doesnt mean i appreciate him any less and find him truly remarkable. Simce the day Michael passed i have believed him to b alive it just doesnt make sense. I feel im an Ambassadorr for Michael
I totaly agree with you :)
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And look at these morons with the cameras - they have NO IDEA why we're laughing and smiling!
The morons would include the millions of people around the world who were in tears and grief?
Then I would say--try harder to understand the Michael you claim to know and love. I think you've missed some important things. That's why we've been here for 2+ years; we want the truth whatever it is. Would you be angry with Michael if he hoaxed his death knowing millions were in grief over it? You have to look inside your heart.
Think of MJ's song lyrics for, "Will you be there?"
Tink
I couldn't stop crying, when my dad died for a very long time. Seeing them laugh like that seems oddly out of place.
When my mom died suddenly many years ago, I was in a state of shock for weeks and could hardly stop crying, still thinking of her every day for at least a year. No way I would have been laughing like Joe.
Son, thanks for your correction on Theists vesus Deists! You are so right! My bad... :)
Andrea
I love this quote from Jermaine's book and it definitely applies to (and was written for) the hoax. On page 391:
"Because no comeback is truly a comeback until the odds seem impossible."
And yes, the word seem is italicized in the book.
Excellent! The darker the night, the brighter the light! And MJ worked so creatively for 20+ years, and in many clear and genius details-- to convince the world and even fans he was now dead, to make the come-back/BAM so much more spectacular.
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Well, I have already accepted the reality that Mj is alive but I can't move on WTF??
Gonna wait for his spectacular comeback! /woohoo/
Btw, ladies, does anyone know where I can read Jermaine's book? Is it online somewhere? ::P
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And look at these morons with the cameras - they have NO IDEA why we're laughing and smiling!
The morons would include the millions of people around the world who were in tears and grief?
What is your interest in this site? I try to understand why you came here, why you care about this.
He still plays with us. >:(
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I tend to believe the statement "We've got 4 jears to get it right" was a prophecy... along with "See you in July" :)
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I think that Michael see all this and more 8-) typing/
When he returns, when he decide, will close loyalists, ::P those who have overcome so many sad moments, with patience and love... bearhug
He needs this...is for this he wanted June 25, he was tired of lies 8-)....so.... typing/
KEEP THE FAITH.... moonwalk_/
We are waiting for L.O.V.E.
bearhug LOVE YOU ALL bearhug
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Akhtoni bearhug you seem like the kind of person who will jump into a fight to help your friend without even knowing why they are fighting. I admire you for that. But we should be nice to guests who come with questions :)
In the end the truth is the truth. It won't matter who's right or wrong. But it does matter how we reach the finish line. She/he is right - we all love and admire Michael Jackson regardless of what we believe.
You are loved and appreciated.
Thanks voiceforthesilent bearhug
yes we should be nice with people who are nice :) You are really the voice for the silent bearhug
Thank you - that is the best compliment I could be given. Blessings to you.
About Jermaine's quote - to me, it's a very huge hint/clue. I love the Jacksons and think they have Michael's best interests at heart.
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He still plays with us. >:(
I'm not playing with anyone. I was just asking a question. Like I said before, I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. I respect everyone's right to believe there's a hoax. I was just surprised at the suggestion that Jesse Jackson and Joe Jackson were laughing because they thought everyone was stupid for thinking Michael's dead. Well, that means millions of people and millions of fans round the world. If you believe Michael is alive, do you really think he's sitting somewhere laughing at all the fans who cried and mourned for him?
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MJ laughing at fans? :roll: no. Who knows what Jesse Jackson and Joe Jackson were laughing at the day after his death. It's weird yes. Maybe laughing at the look on Jesse's face when he saw MJ walk into the room. afraid/
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I know what I'm going to say won't be very popular. But what I say is out of compassion and concern. I have been reading this site for a few months and I'm very sorry to say that this is a serious case of extreme denial. Many of you are waiting for something that will never happen. Claiming Michael faked his death would be problematic on its own but what I've read is a massive fantasy comprising everything from FBI stings, hidden codes and fake trials to Eddie Murphy in disguise and connections to films and adverts. There's a serious need for a reality check.
Everything that's supposedly evidence is nothing of the sort. All that's been done is making connections that don't exist. If you watch every film, advert and TV show with the intention of finding "clues", you naturally end up finding things that aren't there. This is not evidence or proof. I could sit down and watch Superman or Lord of the Rings and find "clues" or "hints".
There's also a fundamental problem with all this. On the one hand you say Michael was under threat from power elites and had to fake his death to avoid being killed by them, and on the other you say he did the hoax with the help and assistance of the FBI, police and US government, among others. Don't you see the illogical fallacy in this? How can he be terrified of power elites but be powerful enough to get law enforcement, judicial and legal systems to partake in a hoax? How can he simulataneously be an enemy of the power elites and also be powerful enough to make them do what he wants?
I don't expect to change any minds. You're entitled to think what you want. But I'm just concerned that many of you are raising your hopes for something that can never happen and are playing an endless waiting game. Some of you may never stop waiting, but those of you who eventually accept that he's not alive will have to finally come to terms with his death, something you've avoided for too long.
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Sorry, but it's not us who are in denial. Thank you for your concern, but we are all big girls. If Michael is dead than I am the easter bunny.
Heyyyy wait a minute. I'm a dudeeeeeeeeeeeee
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@SEHF...you crack me up....
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Blessings Dude!
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"You rock dude! Give me some fin, noggin!"
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Jesse and Joe could be laughing at many things, relating to any of the parts that they had to carry out for MJ that had to be executed perfectly. I imagine there would be some stress involved, and relief afterwards at seeing everything accomplished and the media/public/fans not questioning or doubting. Mission accomplished and job well done. This is similar to the video clip of the guards high-fiving each other right after the ambulance left Carolwood, indicating the message, "We did it!"
No, I certainly don't think Michael is laughing at the fans. This hoax is by far deeper and profoundly more significant than simply fooling the fans.
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If you believe Michael is alive, do you really think he's sitting somewhere laughing at all the fans who cried and mourned for him?
No, I believe Michael feels sorrow for mouring fans who don't get his messages and cry and that he had to do this.
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He still plays with us. >:(
I'm not playing with anyone. I was just asking a question. Like I said before, I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. I respect everyone's right to believe there's a hoax. I was just surprised at the suggestion that Jesse Jackson and Joe Jackson were laughing because they thought everyone was stupid for thinking Michael's dead. Well, that means millions of people and millions of fans round the world. If you believe Michael is alive, do you really think he's sitting somewhere laughing at all the fans who cried and mourned for him?
Don't toy with me.
THINK CAREFULLY at WHO was holding the camera, eh? THE MEDIA!
WHO is paying the ultimate price here? THE MEDIA!
Fans can forgive Michael, for the nearly 20 years of nightmarish crud the MEDIA pulled on him.
NOW you see my point!? I NEVER SAID THE FANS!
Nuts behind the camera=Paparazzi=MEDIA who enjoyed taking Michael apart.
NOW DO YOU GET IT!?
Thank you.
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He still plays with us. >:(
I'm not playing with anyone. I was just asking a question. Like I said before, I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. I respect everyone's right to believe there's a hoax. I was just surprised at the suggestion that Jesse Jackson and Joe Jackson were laughing because they thought everyone was stupid for thinking Michael's dead. Well, that means millions of people and millions of fans round the world. If you believe Michael is alive, do you really think he's sitting somewhere laughing at all the fans who cried and mourned for him?
@invinciblehistory:
Don't toy with me.
THINK CAREFULLY at WHO was holding the camera, eh? THE MEDIA!
WHO is paying the ultimate price here? THE MEDIA!
Fans can forgive Michael, for the nearly 20 years of nightmarish cruelty the MEDIA pulled on him, as he stood firmly. I'm not even a fan - he earned my respect with his grace and never deviating from what he said. I don't like vultures, which are the MEDIA.
NOW you see my point!?
I NEVER SAID THE FANS - YOU DID!!
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Yes indeed, it is time to accept reality and move on.
That's why I have proceeded to Sign 1 and am studying the prophesies of Daniel with a little help from my friends.
Ps. nice to see the gents turning out here.
lol, im smiling at the irony bec. its a tough gig those daniel prohecies...
invincible history - stand back and look at it all.... was this a legitimate life... was MJ a legitimate persona... was his death a legitimate death.... everything we know about the man could be nothing more than mere fiction.... (im not talking of charirty, talant, music) i am talking about character, the games....
it all stinks. its all a hoax.. i have no doubt about it... and he is using it all to make a point... that point is what is debated here at MJDHI, not the death itself....
and perhaps MJ will never bam.. but he certainly didnt die... anyone who opens their eyes can see that....
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That's not very nice. On that basis, would you tell every MJ fan in the world who believes he's dead to also fuck off?
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely would love for MJ to be alive. I would have no problem eating my words if it turns out you've all been right. But I just wonder how long of a timeframe you're putting on this? If nothing happens this year, will you still hold out hope for 2013? Even the most ardent hoaxer can't play an endless waiting game.
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He still plays with us. >:(
I'm not playing with anyone. I was just asking a question. Like I said before, I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. I respect everyone's right to believe there's a hoax. I was just surprised at the suggestion that Jesse Jackson and Joe Jackson were laughing because they thought everyone was stupid for thinking Michael's dead. Well, that means millions of people and millions of fans round the world. If you believe Michael is alive, do you really think he's sitting somewhere laughing at all the fans who cried and mourned for him?
Don't toy with me.
THINK CAREFULLY at WHO was holding the camera, eh? THE MEDIA!
WHO is paying the ultimate price here? THE MEDIA!
Fans can forgive Michael, for the nearly 20 years of nightmarish crud the MEDIA pulled on him.
NOW you see my point!? I NEVER SAID THE FANS!
Nuts behind the camera=Paparazzi=MEDIA who enjoyed taking Michael apart.
NOW DO YOU GET IT!?
Thank you.
Calm down. Media aside, millions of fans mourned and still continue to mourn. A few even committed suicide in the days after June 25. If there's a hoax, it makes more sense that it would be for MJ to escape from the glare of the media forever. A sudden comeback would be hard for millions of people to forgive.
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Invincible History - most of us don't have a time frame attached to this hoax. We have some hopeful dates - some gone by, some to come up. But either way we won't put a time limit on this. Only Michael knows when the end will be - not even those in the know (just my opinion based on what I've pieced together). Most of us have taken breathers away from the forum too - to tend to life. But, like a study group, we do check in and follow on a regular basis, contributing when we feel we have something to share.
We're not "holding out hope" per se. Most of us are enjoying emphatically watching this unfold. Slowly but surely Michael's name is being restored to its good name; his children have been introduced to the world within a respectful tone by the media - all out of consideration for the circumstances. Can you imagine if Michael were still around and he'd try to unveil his children? The media would have massacred them all and would have been extremely critical. This way it's been done properly and respectfully. We're excited to have played a part in getting some crude videos of MJ off of Youtube. We're watching people celebrate him, records once again being broken, nobody is filing lawsuits (who are they going to blame now?) against him, his debts are almost paid off, etc., etc., etc.
Forgive my more vocal friends - we need to remember that there are all age groups on this forum as well as some who are just tired of defending themselves to everyone. As far as the comment, we've been told much worse by non-beLIEvers. Still, respect should be given to all.
Blessings
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He still plays with us. >:(
I'm not playing with anyone. I was just asking a question. Like I said before, I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. I respect everyone's right to believe there's a hoax. I was just surprised at the suggestion that Jesse Jackson and Joe Jackson were laughing because they thought everyone was stupid for thinking Michael's dead. Well, that means millions of people and millions of fans round the world. If you believe Michael is alive, do you really think he's sitting somewhere laughing at all the fans who cried and mourned for him?
Don't toy with me.
THINK CAREFULLY at WHO was holding the camera, eh? THE MEDIA!
WHO is paying the ultimate price here? THE MEDIA!
Fans can forgive Michael, for the nearly 20 years of nightmarish crud the MEDIA pulled on him.
NOW you see my point!? I NEVER SAID THE FANS!
Nuts behind the camera=Paparazzi=MEDIA who enjoyed taking Michael apart.
NOW DO YOU GET IT!?
Thank you.
Calm down. Media aside, millions of fans mourned and still continue to mourn. A few even committed suicide in the days after June 25. If there's a hoax, it makes more sense that it would be for MJ to escape from the glare of the media forever. A sudden comeback would be hard for millions of people to forgive.
Nobody committed suicide to my knowledge. That was a rumor. If you can prove otherwise, please do so. It's been difficult to weed between the media lies and media truths...but as far as I know those suicides didn't happen.
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That's not very nice. On that basis, would you tell every MJ fan in the world who believes he's dead to also fuck off?
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely would love for MJ to be alive. I would have no problem eating my words if it turns out you've all been right. But I just wonder how long of a timeframe you're putting on this? If nothing happens this year, will you still hold out hope for 2013? Even the most ardent hoaxer can't play an endless waiting game.
No. If they believe he's dead-- fine with me. Their loss. If they come to MJ HOAX PREMISES and tell me that I need to "accept reality and move on" Yes. I will tell them to fuck off. I don't need anyone coming here telling me what to believe, and I will hold on in 2013, I'm going to hold on forever because I do what my heart tells me, and my heart tells me Michael is alive. What is the point of you coming and telling us what to believe? You really think you're going to make us all "move on"? Oh yes, after ALL this evidence of Michael being alive, after the family saying Michael is dead, I'm now convinced he's dead because a random MJ fan has came and told me to move on. Give me a break -___-
And just so you know, there have been hundreds of nonbelievers that have came here and did exactly what you have done. Sorry, I think you're just wasting your time and our time. You're not going to convince any of us, just leave us be. :roll:
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He still plays with us. >:(
I'm not playing with anyone. I was just asking a question. Like I said before, I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. I respect everyone's right to believe there's a hoax. I was just surprised at the suggestion that Jesse Jackson and Joe Jackson were laughing because they thought everyone was stupid for thinking Michael's dead. Well, that means millions of people and millions of fans round the world. If you believe Michael is alive, do you really think he's sitting somewhere laughing at all the fans who cried and mourned for him?
Don't toy with me.
THINK CAREFULLY at WHO was holding the camera, eh? THE MEDIA!
WHO is paying the ultimate price here? THE MEDIA!
Fans can forgive Michael, for the nearly 20 years of nightmarish crud the MEDIA pulled on him.
NOW you see my point!? I NEVER SAID THE FANS!
Nuts behind the camera=Paparazzi=MEDIA who enjoyed taking Michael apart.
NOW DO YOU GET IT!?
Thank you.
Calm down. Media aside, millions of fans mourned and still continue to mourn. A few even committed suicide in the days after June 25. If there's a hoax, it makes more sense that it would be for MJ to escape from the glare of the media forever. A sudden comeback would be hard for millions of people to forgive.
MJ thrives off of publicity. Just like you buddy. HE manipulated the PUBLIC, including YOU. haha. but the difference between MJ and you is...well. He has an awareness that extends beyond the boundary of conventional standard. besides, you never addressed my post. go read it and adequately respond. please enlighten me with your insight. I'm listening, and I still haven't heard an argument that is valid enough to even consider as credible. The prevalent issue, however, is you are here, wasting your time, trying to stir up confrontation that will always result in a negative reaction. Nobody is going to convince us that he is dead. In fact, we have nothing to lose. You, on the other hand, have everything to lose. that includes having in the intellectual capacity to distinguish fact from fiction. I respectfully accept your opinion with all my heart. Just don't be so arrogant in your convictions, please. unfortunately, I may have to act a little bit condescending, you don't think it's possible for him to be alive because you don't understand. It's unrealistic according to you. but thats only because you haven't properly researched and are afraid to believe that something like this could occur. To assert that michael is dead is such an easy conclusion to make. anybody with two eyes can see the word "dead" and associate that with eliminated from this earth. It takes a true human to be able to realize that there is always something deeper to the story than what the naked eye can reveal. it's like saying UFO's don't exist, yet we have yet to scan most of the solar system. this is the ONLY planet we've been on, and people STILL try to assert that aliens or extra terrestrials do not exist. maybe our primitive civilization is not worthy enough for them...and they have the means of revealing themselves but choose not too. but the point is, if you believe in what you want to believe, that is your reality. and your reality is differen't from the truth. because in our reality, we are open to possible scenarios. self-absorbed individuals are the downfall of society, and simply neglecting to address the truth without adquetely looking into the DETAILS are called closed-minded people. they don't want to believe because they don't want it to be true. I accept that hes dead, if he is dead, but I'm not going to say hes dead for sure just because of what i heard on the news.
on the other, questioning life's complexities the beauty of human nature. to be able to intellectualize the world around you at such a high right is something that should never be taken for granted. we should be able to question authority (and inconsistencies) without being ridiculed and slandered. if that makes us crazy, then so be it. insanity is fun then. because i', not going to live my life as a puppet.
bye bye.
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@invinciblehistory - You overstate yourself: there are NOT millions of fans who continue to mourn Michael Jackson. His fans CELEBRATE his life! Those who continue to mourn now, who've stopped living except to mourn almost THREE years later, need mental help, stat!
There are 5 phases to mourning death. After those are worked through, it's acceptance. I feel you're in the middle of Mourning still, then you perhaps came here for the WRONG REASONS. If you need to finish mourning, do so - don't carry it around; let it go.
I came here, because the wall of fakery came tumbling down, and I saw clearly the man behind the curtain. I'm not a fan of Michael's. I do respect him, and see he's been up to something. rr/
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Media aside, millions of fans mourned and still continue to mourn. A few even committed suicide in the days after June 25. If there's a hoax, it makes more sense that it would be for MJ to escape from the glare of the media forever. A sudden comeback would be hard for millions of people to forgive.
But if they true fans, the shock should turn to happiness that MJ is alive not madness. I am sure he has very good reason for this not for fun.
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and I will hold on in 2013, I'm going to hold on forever because I do what my heart tells me, and my heart tells me Michael is alive.
Forever? If Michael's alive, he's still human, he can't live forever. Everyone dies. If he's alive, he'll eventually die one day.
Oh yes, after ALL this evidence of Michael being alive, after the family saying Michael is dead, I'm now convinced he's dead because a random MJ fan has came and told me to move on. Give me a break
Did you mean to say the family saying Michael is alive? What you say doesn't make sense otherwise, as you're saying a random fan saying he's dead is irrelevant after his family have said he's dead.
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Michael has sent and continues to send messages to make clear to his fans that he is 8-)...has made a choice on June 25 for many reasons and knows that who loves him will always understood with love bearhug....the same love that he continues to give us even hiding. bearhug
Michael don't laughs of his fans , he loves them every day more moonwalk_/ bearhug as we love him every day more michael-jackson/
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@invinciblehistory - You overstate yourself: there are NOT millions of fans who continue to mourn Michael Jackson. His fans CELEBRATE his life! Those who continue to mourn now, who've stopped living except to mourn almost THREE years later, need mental help, stat!
There are 5 phases to mourning death. After those are worked through, it's acceptance. I feel you're in the middle of Mourning still, then you perhaps came here for the WRONG REASONS. If you need to finish mourning, do so - don't carry it around; let it go
I didn't mean mourning as an active process but in the general sense of missing him. I agree it would be wrong to be still grieving almost 3 years on. The thread title does mention moving on.
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please enlighten me with your insight. I'm listening, and I still haven't heard an argument that is valid enough to even consider as credible.
I did actually concede in my very first post that I didn't expect to change any minds, and I acknowledged everyone's right to believe in a hoax.
In fact, we have nothing to lose. You, on the other hand, have everything to lose. that includes having in the intellectual capacity to distinguish fact from fiction.
Not sure what it is I have to lose. I'm not trying to change anyone's minds.
Just don't be so arrogant in your convictions, please
I don't think I've been arrogant in any of my posts. I've repeatedly said I respect everyone's beliefs.
you don't think it's possible for him to be alive because you don't understand.
Well, to be fair, there's also his mother saying in a TV interview that the day he died was the worst day of her life, Joe saying he wished all the nice things people were saying about Michael had been said when he was alive, and Jermaine saying after the guilty verdict on Murray that it won't bring Michael back.
To assert that michael is dead is such an easy conclusion to make.
Well, to be fair, there's also his mother saying in a TV interview that the day he died was the worst day of her life, Joe saying he wished all the nice things people were saying about Michael had been said when he was alive, and Jermaine saying after the guilty verdict on Murray that it won't bring Michael back.
anybody with two eyes can see the word "dead" and associate that with eliminated from this earth. It takes a true human to be able to realize that there is always something deeper to the story than what the naked eye can reveal.
Does that mean every time someone high profile dies we should regard the death with suspicion? 81 year old actor Ben Gazzara died earlier this week. Should I refuse to accept the official story and research whether there's more to his supposed death?
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@invinciblehistory:
With all due respect: Move on! There is no point in what you are doing here.
Unless of course....you want us to sway your opinion 8-) ;)
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Michael has sent and continues to send messages to make clear to his fans that he is 8-)...has made a choice on June 25 for many reasons and knows that who loves him will always understood with love bearhug....the same love that he continues to give us even hiding. bearhug
Michael don't laughs of his fans , he loves them every day more moonwalk_/ bearhug as we love him every day more michael-jackson/
Your post is so cute and so true Blankie. bearhug
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Michael has sent and continues to send messages to make clear to his fans that he is 8-)...has made a choice on June 25 for many reasons and knows that who loves him will always understood with love bearhug....the same love that he continues to give us even hiding. bearhug
Michael don't laughs of his fans , he loves them every day more moonwalk_/ bearhug as we love him every day more michael-jackson/
Your post is so cute and so true Blankie. bearhug
!!!!! happy birthday Sarahli !! lolol/ party/
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Michael has sent and continues to send messages to make clear to his fans that he is 8-)...has made a choice on June 25 for many reasons and knows that who loves him will always understood with love bearhug....the same love that he continues to give us even hiding. bearhug
Michael don't laughs of his fans , he loves them every day more moonwalk_/ bearhug as we love him every day more michael-jackson/
Your post is so cute and so true Blankie. bearhug
Thanks Sarahli bearhug bearhug Love you so much bearhug Love you all so much.....It's all for L.O.V.E. dear friends !!!! moonwalk_/ mj_dance/ michael-jackson/
/woohoo/ /woohoo/ HAPPY BIRTHDAY !!!!!! /woohoo/ /woohoo/ bearhug party/
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That's not very nice. On that basis, would you tell every MJ fan in the world who believes he's dead to also fuck off?
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely would love for MJ to be alive. I would have no problem eating my words if it turns out you've all been right. But I just wonder how long of a timeframe you're putting on this? If nothing happens this year, will you still hold out hope for 2013? Even the most ardent hoaxer can't play an endless waiting game.
No time frame for me. I believe he's alive, but I don't believe he's going to come back announcing to the world he's alive. I'm just watching the show, because there is definitely something up and who knows what will happen.
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We are here.... typing/ anything Mike decides to do is good enough he is happy bearhug
Is a great adventure and is still beautiful and unique to live typing/ crash/ bangbang ::P
Love you all moonwalk_/
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I know what I'm going to say won't be very popular. But what I say is out of compassion and concern. I have been reading this site for a few months and I'm very sorry to say that this is a serious case of extreme denial. Many of you are waiting for something that will never happen. Claiming Michael faked his death would be problematic on its own but what I've read is a massive fantasy comprising everything from FBI stings, hidden codes and fake trials to Eddie Murphy in disguise and connections to films and adverts. There's a serious need for a reality check.
Everything that's supposedly evidence is nothing of the sort. All that's been done is making connections that don't exist. If you watch every film, advert and TV show with the intention of finding "clues", you naturally end up finding things that aren't there. This is not evidence or proof. I could sit down and watch Superman or Lord of the Rings and find "clues" or "hints".
There's also a fundamental problem with all this. On the one hand you say Michael was under threat from power elites and had to fake his death to avoid being killed by them, and on the other you say he did the hoax with the help and assistance of the FBI, police and US government, among others. Don't you see the illogical fallacy in this? How can he be terrified of power elites but be powerful enough to get law enforcement, judicial and legal systems to partake in a hoax? How can he simulataneously be an enemy of the power elites and also be powerful enough to make them do what he wants?
I don't expect to change any minds. You're entitled to think what you want. But I'm just concerned that many of you are raising your hopes for something that can never happen and are playing an endless waiting game. Some of you may never stop waiting, but those of you who eventually accept that he's not alive will have to finally come to terms with his death, something you've avoided for too long.
Thanks for your nice post. You are totally right and understand your concern. I agree, moving on is necessary, either if he is dead or alive. If alive, the chances of him coming back are limited so, in what way would his come back "help" us?
However, accepting that he died makes no sense if one looks at the contradictions surfacing about the case from day one. If he is "dead" i accepted what it meant already but until I see a convincing evidence, Michael is alive to me. Dead for the public, but alive in reality.
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I had some time on my hands, this is for everyone I L.O.V.E. on this site. Especially you!
Invincible seems to have some free time as well. When I was reading the post, it came out sounding like this:)
I know what I'm going to say won't be very popular but I'm going to say it anyway. Because I am a master at giving unsolicited advise. What I say is out of compassion and concern because I have mastered my life and I have nothing but time on my hands and I must show you that you are wrong and I am right. I have been reading this site for a few months and I have declared myself totally educated on every topic and I am without a doubt, the undisputed game changer. I'm very sorry to say that I am suffering from extreme sleep deprivation, due to the fact that I have managed to pound 2.5 years of research, into 90 or so 24 hour segments. I am suffering from a serious case of extreme denial, but I would rather take it out on you then face it myself. I am waiting for something that will never happen, which is the story of my life.
Claiming Michael faked his death would be problematic BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA
I don't expect to change any minds, I'm out of gas as it is. You're entitled to your own insanity plea, playing an endless waiting game. I may never stop inserting my unsolicited advise where ever it is not wanted. For those of you who eventually accept something you've avoided for too long. Way to go!!!!!!
Micheal Jackson Lives
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If the truth is told.............it never changes when the story is told again & again. Other actors & actresses have died, with no change in their way of the death. I have never heard the following people being seen walking the streets after their death. Bernie Mac, Heath Ledger, Brittney Murphy, Anna Nicole Smith, etc..... The "final" autospy never waivered. The stories remained the same as time of death, cause of death, present at death, etc......The only 3 people that there is more "mystery" than truth has been Elvis, Tupac, & Michael. Why can't anyone keep the "truth" the truth? Because it's not the truth...
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I had some time on my hands, this is for everyone I L.O.V.E. on this site. Especially you!
Invincible seems to have some free time as well. When I was reading the post, it came out sounding like this:)
I know what I'm going to say won't be very popular but I'm going to say it anyway. Because I am a master at giving unsolicited advise. What I say is out of compassion and concern because I have mastered my life and I have nothing but time on my hands and I must show you that you are wrong and I am right. I have been reading this site for a few months and I have declared myself totally educated on every topic and I am without a doubt, the undisputed game changer. I'm very sorry to say that I am suffering from extreme sleep deprivation, due to the fact that I have managed to pound 2.5 years of research, into 90 or so 24 hour segments. I am suffering from a serious case of extreme denial, but I would rather take it out on you then face it myself. I am waiting for something that will never happen, which is the story of my life.
Claiming Michael faked his death would be problematic BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA
I don't expect to change any minds, I'm out of gas as it is. You're entitled to your own insanity plea, playing an endless waiting game. I may never stop inserting my unsolicited advise where ever it is not wanted. For those of you who eventually accept something you've avoided for too long. Way to go!!!!!!
Micheal Jackson Lives
bearhug
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If the truth is told.............it never changes when the story is told again & again. Other actors & actresses have died, with no change in their way of the death. I have never heard the following people being seen walking the streets after their death. Bernie Mac, Heath Ledger, Brittney Murphy, Anna Nicole Smith, etc..... The "final" autospy never waivered. The stories remained the same as time of death, cause of death, present at death, etc......The only 3 people that there is more "mystery" than truth has been Elvis, Tupac, & Michael. Why can't anyone keep the "truth" the truth? Because it's not the truth...
I know 2pac lingered for almost a week, but that's it. I would guess he was in a medically induced coma.
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Claiming Michael faked his death would be problematic BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA
Yes, I note that the only part of my post you chose not to parody but to skim over with BLA BLA was the part where I asked a series of legitimate questions. It's easier than answering any of my points. But I have noticed the general tendency to ignore anything that doesn't fit with the hoax theory. Whenever a member of the family has explicitly referred to him as being dead, the reaction has either been "I'm going to ignore that" or "It's all part of the hoax". But when one of them says "gone" or "passed away", it's immediately taken as a subtle clue. I read an argument on Twitter between Jermaine and a fan when Jermaine told her Michael is dead. She said his words would hurt fans. He replied that thinking he's alive is more hurtful. But this too was later put down to being Jermaine playing his role. So anything that's inconvenient to the hoax is either ignored or somehow made to fit the hoax. But like I said, everyone has the right to believe whatever they want. If you choose to believe Michael faked his death with the help of the FBI and LAPD to evade being killed by the Illuminati and that since then he's been leaving clues with the involvement of McDonald's, Pepsi, Kodak, The Karate Kid film, Ron Paul's T-shirt designers, and that Conrad Murray is Eddie Murphy in disguise, and Frank DiLeo also faked his death in order to assist Michael and the FBI in a sting operation against the Illuminati which will be timed to coincide with the Mayan calendar prophecy of this December, then that is your absolute right.
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Out of the site invinciblehistory >:(
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Out of the site invinciblehistory >:(
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with the greatest LOVE and RESPECT.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Im sorry dont know what came over me! bearhug
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That's such a cute smiley! >:( >:( >:(
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Let's lock this thread. hes looking for attention and a debate. don't want to waste my time waging wars. if he didn't want to try to change opinions and was just here to state his he would have been gone already .there is no purpose for him here.
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I once heard it said that TACT is the ability to tell someone to go to hell and make them feel glad they are going. It seems that the original post is an attempt to do just that. :roll:
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Let's lock this thread. hes looking for attention and a debate. don't want to waste my time waging wars. if he didn't want to try to change opinions and was just here to state his he would have been gone already .there is no purpose for him here.
I WAS ready to depart but you asked some questions and made some points to which I replied but you haven't responded.