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Title: DR. CONRAD MURRAY Back to Court to Prove MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
Post by: ~Souza~ on January 10, 2012, 03:33:26 AM
DR. CONRAD MURRAY
Back to Court to Prove
MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
(http://www.tmz.com/2012/01/10/dr-conrad-murray-michael-jackson-death-restitution/)
25 MINUTES AGO BY TMZ STAFF

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/01/09/0109-conrad-mj-getty-ex.jpg)

Dr. Conrad Murray is asking the judge in his criminal case to deny Michael Jackson's family full restitution, on grounds MJ caused his own death.

Murray filed legal docs yesterday -- obtained by TMZ -- asking for evidence the defense never received during the trial ... evidence that could show Michael self-administered the fatal dose of Propofol.

Murray's lawyer, Michael Flanagan, argues that in deciding how much restitution the family gets, it's appropriate to consider the victim's responsibility for his own demise.

So Murray will concede he's partly to blame -- he can't argue otherwise because of the conviction -- but he still wants to prove that MJ ultimately caused his own death.

The prosecution is asking for around $100 million in restitution, but the judge hasn't decided on a figure.  But once the figure is set, if Flanagan gets his way and the judge were to decide MJ was 50% responsible for his death, the judge would reduce the restitution award by 50%.

So the fat lady hasn't sung ... yet.
Title: Re: DR. CONRAD MURRAY Back to Court to Prove MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
Post by: suesuzzfaithkeeper on January 10, 2012, 03:47:13 AM
i thought during the court case when the prosecution asked for so much the judge he needed a detail list and amount on everything?..and i thought the judge said they only had so many days or so to get it to him??..was this something else??
huggs n love n faith to all
suzz
ps
the fat lady hasnt sung yet lol ;)
Title: Re: DR. CONRAD MURRAY Back to Court to Prove MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
Post by: MJonmind on January 10, 2012, 03:52:53 AM
Where's Murray going to find $50 million?  It might as well still be $100 million.  Even if his documentary brings in $10 million, it's hopeless. ;)

 


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So the fat lady hasn't sung ... yet.


Because the skinny man isn't done singing! :lol:
Title: Re: DR. CONRAD MURRAY Back to Court to Prove MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
Post by: ForstAMoon on January 10, 2012, 03:54:25 AM
oh, here we go again ..... and the story moves on

I cannot wait to see new evidence.  8-)


Title: Re: DR. CONRAD MURRAY Back to Court to Prove MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
Post by: RK on January 10, 2012, 09:45:24 AM
So the fat lady hasn't sang, but please, please, pwitty pweeze let this jail bird sing. Geez I hope we get to hear Murray testify if this happens. I'll start taking bets on how long he'll be able to hold his accent while on the stand. 
Title: Re: DR. CONRAD MURRAY Back to Court to Prove MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
Post by: GINAFELICIA on January 10, 2012, 10:27:23 AM
 :lol: funny post TMZ...oh by the way I wanna wave HI to you TMZ  ;D

So if Murray will have to pay "only" 50 millions - what's the big difference WTF?? ??? There's no way he can pay those money his whole life.

Title: Re: DR. CONRAD MURRAY Back to Court to Prove MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
Post by: curls on January 10, 2012, 10:58:10 AM
Of course Michael caused his own 'death'!
Title: Re: DR. CONRAD MURRAY Back to Court to Prove MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
Post by: GINAFELICIA on January 10, 2012, 11:35:24 AM
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Of course Michael caused his own 'death'!
only 50%...the rest was Murray's contribution
Title: Re: DR. CONRAD MURRAY Back to Court to Prove MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
Post by: diggyon on January 10, 2012, 11:42:52 AM
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Of course Michael caused his own 'death'!
only 50%...the rest was Murray's contribution
Agree!!!
Title: Re: DR. CONRAD MURRAY Back to Court to Prove MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
Post by: Sarahli on January 10, 2012, 12:06:51 PM
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Murray filed legal docs yesterday -- obtained by TMZ -- asking for evidence the defense never received during the trial ... evidence that could show Michael self-administered the fatal dose of Propofol is ALIVE.

That would be best.  geek/
Title: Re: DR. CONRAD MURRAY Back to Court to Prove MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
Post by: Aidan_81 on January 10, 2012, 12:22:51 PM
I'm really curious about such "evidence". Self-administering propofol is BS,
I thought they will try to prove he took some pills when hiding in his bedroom
or something.
Title: Re: DR. CONRAD MURRAY Back to Court to Prove MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
Post by: bec on January 10, 2012, 12:51:06 PM
This has to do with tests on the syringe (and/or saline bag?). Something about how if traces of lidocaine was found among the contents or not. Remember Murray's team said if lidocaine was found it would negate the Prosecution's argument that the dosage was strong enough to kill MJ? Something like that anyway. I'd have to review the articles that came out just after sentencing. It's fuzzy in the grey matter...
Title: Re: DR. CONRAD MURRAY Back to Court to Prove MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
Post by: scorpionchik on January 10, 2012, 01:50:58 PM
So, Murray freely walks around, can easily go in and out of jail to go to court to file legal documents.....? I wonder where else he goes?
Title: Re: DR. CONRAD MURRAY Back to Court to Prove MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
Post by: paula-c on January 10, 2012, 02:12:38 PM
Murray presented yesterday legal documents - obtained by TMZ -... always, or Murray send these documents to TMZ, ..they always get everything confused/
Title: Re: DR. CONRAD MURRAY Back to Court to Prove MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
Post by: blankie on January 10, 2012, 03:30:42 PM
 bounce/  Simply...... bounce/  THE BEST IS YET TO COME !!!    /woohoo/


                                                                                    moonwalk_/
Title: Re: DR. CONRAD MURRAY Back to Court to Prove MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
Post by: emulik on January 10, 2012, 04:37:02 PM
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bounce/  Simply...... bounce/  THE BEST IS YET TO COME !!!    /woohoo/


                                                                                    moonwalk_/
Exactly Blankie! time is approaching..
Title: Re: DR. CONRAD MURRAY Back to Court to Prove MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
Post by: PureLove on January 10, 2012, 04:50:12 PM
Why didn't he do it during the trial?  geek/  To me this sounds like they want to fill the time till MJ comes back and that's the reason why they splitted the trial like this. And the part where they say MJ "partly" killed himself reminded me 'Piece by piece'. ;)
Title: Re: DR. CONRAD MURRAY Back to Court to Prove MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
Post by: gwynned on January 10, 2012, 04:56:47 PM
I may not be a lawyer, but I think we've all seen enough TV law shows over the years to realize that this is on its face ridiculous.  He has no legal basis on which to file for a reduction.  That would have been handled through the trial, or a new trial, if that's what he's proposing. 

Title: Re: DR. CONRAD MURRAY Back to Court to Prove MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on January 10, 2012, 05:13:47 PM
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The prosecution is asking for around $100 million in restitution, but the judge hasn't decided on a figure.  But once the figure is set, if Flanagan gets his way and the judge were to decide MJ was 50% responsible for his death, the judge would reduce the restitution award by 50%.

When I try to read between the lines I'd say the truth is 50%.. and the other 50% of the trial is fake(hoax)  ;)
Title: Re: DR. CONRAD MURRAY Back to Court to Prove MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
Post by: paula-c on January 10, 2012, 05:49:14 PM
Michael Flanagan, continues to represent Murray :?:
Title: Re: DR. CONRAD MURRAY Back to Court to Prove MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
Post by: gwynned on January 10, 2012, 06:03:14 PM
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Michael Flanagan, continues to represent Murray :?:
  You mean Murphy, don't you?
Title: Re: DR. CONRAD MURRAY Back to Court to Prove MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
Post by: paula-c on January 10, 2012, 06:30:29 PM
It was said that Murray did not have any money to pay for attorneys and the work of Flanagan end to the trial.
Title: Re: DR. CONRAD MURRAY Back to Court to Prove MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
Post by: lacta89 on January 10, 2012, 06:39:19 PM
...and I was wandering...when would the sequel of the trial come out  /bravo/ :D
Title: Re: DR. CONRAD MURRAY Back to Court to Prove MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
Post by: bec on January 10, 2012, 08:48:36 PM
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Michael Flanagan, continues to represent Murray :?:
  You mean Murphy, don't you?

I need a gif with sound to use laughing Nelson for times like this.

Til then yall have to just use yer 'magination:

Ha Ha.
Title: Re: DR. CONRAD MURRAY Back to Court to Prove MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on January 10, 2012, 08:50:54 PM
 /woohoo/
Title: Re: DR. CONRAD MURRAY Back to Court to Prove MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
Post by: SpeedDemon1987 on January 11, 2012, 01:11:50 AM
Just when I was thinking, "Gee we haven't heard much from Dr. Murray recently....."
Can't rememeber who, but someone said (a while back) TMZ is like "The Michael Zone"  lolol/
Could even be The Murray Zone now  :mrgreen:

TMZ, you're tabloid rubbish, yet you're so informative. Thank you. ;))
Title: Re: DR. CONRAD MURRAY Back to Court to Prove MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
Post by: MJonmind on January 11, 2012, 03:56:22 AM
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...and I was wandering...when would the sequel of the trial come out  /bravo/ :D


Yes, the movie aspect of the hoax/trial means there should be a "Murray trial 2", or "Also Murray Trial". ;)




Harvey at TMZ, could you please post a pic of Murray showing him actually in jail, so we know he's really there?  Pwetty pwease?
Title: Re: DR. CONRAD MURRAY Back to Court to Prove MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on January 11, 2012, 07:01:22 AM
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Why didn't he do it during the trial?  geek/  To me this sounds like they want to fill the time till MJ comes back and that's the reason why they splitted the trial like this. And the part where they say MJ "partly" killed himself reminded me 'Piece by piece'. ;)


agree hun. killing time
Title: Re: DR. CONRAD MURRAY Back to Court to Prove MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
Post by: crina on January 11, 2012, 07:04:35 AM
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Why didn't he do it during the trial?  geek/  To me this sounds like they want to fill the time till MJ comes back and that's the reason why they splitted the trial like this. And the part where they say MJ "partly" killed himself reminded me 'Piece by piece'. ;)


agree hun. killing time

You're right  /bravo/


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Title: Re: DR. CONRAD MURRAY Back to Court to Prove MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
Post by: MFFreedom on January 11, 2012, 07:24:14 AM
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DR. CONRAD MURRAY
Back to Court to Prove
MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
(http://www.tmz.com/2012/01/10/dr-conrad-murray-michael-jackson-death-restitution/)
25 MINUTES AGO BY TMZ STAFF

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/01/09/0109-conrad-mj-getty-ex.jpg)

Dr. Conrad Murray is asking the judge in his criminal case to deny Michael Jackson's family full restitution, on grounds MJ caused his own death.

Murray filed legal docs yesterday -- obtained by TMZ -- asking for evidence the defense never received during the trial ... evidence that could show Michael self-administered the fatal dose of Propofol.

Murray's lawyer, Michael Flanagan, argues that in deciding how much restitution the family gets, it's appropriate to consider the victim's responsibility for his own demise.

So Murray will concede he's partly to blame -- he can't argue otherwise because of the conviction -- but he still wants to prove that MJ ultimately caused his own death.

The prosecution is asking for around $100 million in restitution, but the judge hasn't decided on a figure.  But once the figure is set, if Flanagan gets his way and the judge were to decide MJ was 50% responsible for his death, the judge would reduce the restitution award by 50%.

So the fat lady hasn't sung ... yet.

uhu ... how true, as MJ planned to 'die' in the public eye.  penguin/ He'll prove the hoax (hopefully)
Title: Re: DR. CONRAD MURRAY Back to Court to Prove MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
Post by: julia142 on January 11, 2012, 11:21:27 AM
Probably this is the PART 2 Dr. Murray was speaking in his interview!  :lol:
Title: Re: DR. CONRAD MURRAY Back to Court to Prove MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
Post by: emulik on January 11, 2012, 01:29:15 PM
Mjonmind....pwetty pwease.. :lol:
Title: Re: DR. CONRAD MURRAY Back to Court to Prove MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
Post by: MissG on January 11, 2012, 05:03:20 PM
*rtrl*

Title: Re: DR. CONRAD MURRAY Back to Court to Prove MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
Post by: Tink on January 11, 2012, 05:29:21 PM
I have a headhunter blow dart gun. Always wanted to test it out on someone. If CM survives the curari darts, would it mean he's only partially stupid?
 /pull hair/ This is getting on my nerves that badly!
Title: Re: DR. CONRAD MURRAY Back to Court to Prove MJ Partly Caused His Own Death
Post by: Tink on January 15, 2012, 02:58:13 AM
I was joking, of course, above.

Civil is separate from Criminal. As with OJ, he was actually found guilty with Civil, though found innocent for criminal. Which is why it was such a debacle, when he tried to get his trophy back with guns, in LV. He messed up, and is at least serving time for that.

Like with Van der Sloot, criminals always make a wrong move. At least that dude was sentenced to 28 years, and his pleas didn't matter!
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