Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => The Plan (Qanon, TIAI, BACK) => Back's old posts => Topic started by: bec on January 09, 2012, 01:32:47 AM
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The original version of this post that I had saved was time stamped "yesterday", which is useless for archive purposes, but as you see it fills in the missing part at the bottom of the screen that the proper time stamped version cuts off. Both screenshots are included here for the complete record of this post.
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It sounds as if it was not written by Michael himself... However - who knows?
I wonder if we ever will have a chance to know who this person was...
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Just a quick note on this thread, this post, Of a Theory or Vision, was the first time back had posted on MJJC since 6/25/09. Recall, there was some open community support on MJJC for the suspicion that back=MJ, that persisted until THIS post. Since back hadn't been seen around the message board since MJ died, some speculated that omigosh back really did=MJ (!!) and when back posted THIS... that movement all but died an instant death. Not only his existence as not being "dead" by having shown up and posted, but also the content, as VeryLittleSuzy pointed out above, SEEMS very un-MJ like.
But is it? How would we know?
Ask yourself this; could back be a character being played by MJ?
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Ask yourself this; could back be a character being played by MJ?
my opinion.....yes......the boy really can act.
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@bec
Actually, back was posting before tHeOrY or Vision (11-18-09). He posted three times on 10-24-009 in defense of Katherine, and three times on 10-25-09, twice in defense of Katherine, once in defense of Jackie. I have eight posts from 11-5-09, some about Katherine, some about Frank Dileo, and he goes on like this for a few days. He blasted Arnie Klein on 11-6-09.
I had a friend who followed back at MJJC for a few years. Her thinking was that his defense of Katherine was too revealing – he'd begun getting messages from members who thought he was Michael, so posted tHeOrY as an attempt to both explain and deflect. It depends on how the reader interprets the post, literally or more deeply.
What speaks volumes to me is the anger at Chandler, but not a word about Murray, not a word of grief or sorrow for Michael's death. The original tHeOrY thread is still at MJJC and open to public viewing, in the section called Controversy. You can see that no one knew what to make of it, so he came back 3 days later, on 11-21-09, to post this:
Confusion from issues of perplexity often leads to pointless derision.......
It is always wise to use time prudently.
Never expend it on confusion.......
Try harder to understand.
Keep WATCHIN'.......
To me, this confirms my belief that the tHeOrY was meant to tell us why he did what he did, and we need to work at understanding. The first “clue” in tHeOrY is that he “confused” Luke 1:36 and Luke 1:26. That was no mistake, imo.
I spent months “trying harder to understand”, interpreting each line of this post. If back is Michael, if this was a staged death, I think tHeOrY is actually more important than his pre-death posts and warrants close examination. Later I'll post my interpretation for anyone who wants to read it, discuss it or pick it apart . I'd like to see how others interpret this post.
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Thanks for the correction, Just Ducky, that's valuable information.
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I'm interested - because I've oft wondered if Michael didn't drive the Ambulance that day, lol. That's why it made a right turn, instead of a left, so nobody could really see the driver! ;D
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If anyone's interested in discussing the meaning(s) of tHeOrY or Vision, here are some of my thoughts. I'll try not to ramble or obsess over every word.
The title alone implies this event was planned – the “death” was theoretical and back “envisioned” it before it happened.
As one who embodies"vision" past 20/20, occurrences of the future are often"experienced". But many times this "experience"comes in the form of internal jolts, indicative of something of great significance. Séance hoaxes are not applicable. There are tIMEs when details are sparse, but abundant enough to "see" the grandness, just as it was in this magnetism towards the tHeOrYof sEVEN.
"As one who embodies vision" could mean this Vision is about him, he is speaking about himself. Otherwise, he wouldn't embody the vision. The experience in internal jolts, indicative of something of great significance; MJ has spoken about disappearing some day since the early 1980s, long before he was tortured by Sneddon and media. That desire to disappear can only have gotten stronger, even become necessary. If this is the case, “internal jolts” puts it mildly. One could even say those internal jolts were like small deaths, during that hideous trial.
"Seance hoaxes are not applicable" gives me goosebumps considering that 2-10-10 stories ran that LMP and KF contacted MJ in a seance.http://www.contactmusic.com/news/jacksons-spirit-contacted-in-seance_1131599 It seems back new people would try this.
"magnetism towards the tHeOrYof sEVEN” I think he's saying he was attracted to or inspired by the assumed theory behind Tupac's Don Killuminati/Macavelli as stated in his post from 8-25-06. It wouldn't matter if Tupac is actually alive, back could have been inspired by the belief that he left “clues” then disappeared. Tupac to Makaveli, MJ to back.
Exit AngelGabriel----enter Angel Michael
Luke 1:36
"And in the sixth month the angel (Gabri)el was sent from God unto acity......
.........espoused to a man whose name wasJoseph..."
And in the sixth month the angel (Micha)el was“statused” by God in a city...(of Angels)
.........espoused toa man whose name was Joseph.
Luke 1:36 is actually “And behold,your relative Elizabeth in her old age has also conceived a son, and this in the 6th month with her who was called barren”. On 6-25-09 there was confusion on CNN when one reporter said that their newsroom had received an e-mail from E Taylor's publicist or assistant saying "He's breathing just fine". But they never confirmed it as far as I know, things were happening so fast I think it got lost in the shuffle.
Luke 1:26 is "And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth".
“And in the 6th month--->espoused to a man whose name was Joseph” 6th month = June, statused = a condition about to change or legal standing, City of Angels is literally LA. “Espoused to a man whose name was Joseph” could have something to do w/ the middle name controversy; Michael Joe lived but someone named Michael Joseph died (tho' MJ has used both on legal documents); Joe Jackson's control over MJs early life or Joseph, son of Jacob & Rachel, sold into slavery in Egypt by his jealous brothers (reminds me of Jerm's annual announcements that MJ will perform in a J5 reunion causing MJ to release statements saying "No, I won't". So some began to think MJ had lost his voice or could no longer dance, or was just a flake). In June, in LA, his legal standing changed and either or all definitions of Joseph could apply.
An interesting note about Luke, patron saint of artists, doctors and bachelors. There is uncertainty among historians about when he died - some say he died shortly after Paul. Others say he lived to age 84 after settling in Greece to write his Gospel.
On 6-25-09, tIMEtook a literal backseat to the mOMENt. I could always "see"a Silhouette on a Grand-stage, once again taking over the World. Perhaps also parallel in holding to our proclamation that this was NOT a "comeback", but a take-over. This was it. And in a thunderous sense,----- it was. It just didn't dawn on me that that Grand Stage would be in the Heavens; A visual Staple-dto the Center of our minds for all eternity.
Physically--no more, but with us in an eternal Angelic presence. We witnessed the beginning of this transfer on 7/7of this historical year.
I admit, this does seem to say MJ is dead, but for argument's sake...
The "beginning of this transfer" from live to dead was 6-25-09, not 7-7-09. That memorial was for the King of Pop but was it for the man named Mike Jackson?
It's possible that he's saying he had to change his plans, he didn't originally intend to "die". Immediately upon acquittal in 2005, MJ faced at least 24 other law suits. That plus changes in the music industry, and the constant chance of another false allegation (there were 2) may have caused him to say “F--- it, I can't live like this, and neither can my kids”.
As so many reporters said, "the world seemed to stop the moment MJs death was announced", and "we all focused on that moment". A moment is "a brief period of time characterized by a quality" or "a particle sufficient to tip the scales". Silhouette; "to cause somebody or something to appear surrounded by light". back spent 2 years talking about a moment that would suspend time, that time would take a backseat to the moment. There just isn't one defining moment about a concert, TV special etc unless he meant the O2 announcement. That didn't exactly suspend time.....
If back is MJ, he could be expressing some wistfulness about “dieing”. Those present at the last two TII rehearsals described MJ as “glowing”, “performing, not rehearsing”, “magical”. If he really staged his death, he knew those last rehearsals WERE his last performances. It would be both exciting and a little sad, I'd think. About to be free for the first time in his life, he was leaving behind something he loved to do. Performing isn't just what Michael does, it's a big part of who he is. A little scary to walk away from all that, I'd think.
As History has shown, reflected through the books and logics of many faiths, Prophets do and have walked amongst us. They have sometimes been Angels in the temporary casts of both tIME and human flesh. And in their allotted tIME, their purposes have most often been message DeLIVErance.
The obvious is "DeLIVErance". Staging his death would deliver him from the stress of debt, law suits, false allegations etc. "Propthets do and have walked among us". Add "do walk among us" to "LIVE" and is the message being delivered here that MJ lives? He can't say "Please don't take this so hard...sssshhh, I'm not really dead. Don't tell." One definition of deliverance is "a formal announcement of a decision". A stretch here, but does "message deliverance" refere to the O2 announcement? The message there seemed to be "I don't want to do this, I hope you understand" with a little "F--- Y--" at the end.
At theO2 announcement, when Michael says “I Love you, I really do—you have to know that” I think he's saying goodbye and hoping we will understand. That whole thing seemed more like he was announcing retirement, rather than embarking on a new project. The film “This Is It” is a gift for his fans, all the marketing says so, “it's for the fans”. Not for the world, not for the curious, not for the critics who thought he'd lost his voice—it was for the fans. By needing to know what really happened to him, we “discovered the man we never knew” - and all the burdens he bore with such dignity.
In the separation of major tIME factions in our planetary HiStory, specifically Birth of Christ (BC) To nearly 2009 years post his physical exit (AD), there's only one other Worldly figure that has been bestowed the powers to reach EVERY corner of the globe. And that Heavenly Gift was the Incomparable Michael Jackson.
2+5, The days of Christ and Michael.
Although many other Great Worldly figures, ranging from Martin to Mother Teresa, have graced this Earth with soul driven purposes that have benefited humanity, there have ONLY been two whohave been subjected to literal crucifixions; before, during and after their deaths. And even in the face of these crucifixions, they both maintained hearts filled with love, sensitivity and care for all man/woman-kind. They carried rare emotional connections to and concerns for every single poor and sick person on the planet;Especially the children. They were in-tune with the necessary nurturance that this magnificent creation we inhabit requires for survival. They both never stopped giving and wanting to give more!They even carried compassion and hope for those who were consumed with evil and sought to do them both harm. An EXTREME rarity!
I see this as MJ explaining himself, and frustrated, even angry, that he still needs explaining. Why didn't people SEE him for who he is?
Christ was thesavior of lives once as a physical being
So too was Michael Jackson.
I’m sure there are “many” here on this very board who can attest to that. My word itself does not have to be taken as conclusive. The proof will be provided through acknowledgement.
He could be saying here that MJ was at MJJC. He seems to be making it clear how MJ is to be remembered at MJJC.
Throughout the decades of the modern tIMEs we live, many Great figures have suffered untIMEly demises. Deep reflection of these occurrences will or should give you great pause. The easiest approach up until about 20 yearsago was always by the bullet. What changed the trend? Well, alongcame awareness, suspicion, and non-acceptance of "stories"that carry potholes in logic. Thus, it demanded a necessity for moreelaborate plans of execution that are now used as a means ofthwarting the full truth. This process had to be in magnification tenfold in order to end the physical existence of the most famous personwalking this Earth. Many OTHER attempts had failed, even though theyleft enormous
wounds. You see, evil always goes for the jugular by attacking a person's greatest strength. Michael Jackson's greatest strength was pure love. The antagonist of such a principle is hate.So they used that pure love and coupled it with another of hisstrengths towards healing and caring for sick children to formulate perhaps the most wickedly contrived fiction in history. The goal wasto create the most egregious of perceptions and marvel with pleasureand amusement at its historically noted difficulty to disprove. But I'm of the vision that this stain too shall be removed in due course.In fact, I have intuition that the subject of the first narrative hasalready, years ago, righted that wrong behind the scenes. For that individual or even those of his acquaintance, who are ambivalent about the “open” approach & legalities, these initials (T-M)are your "key". Trust ME!
Obviously about Chandler & Arviso & perhaps thinking that upon the “death” people will take the time to learn the truth; "Deep reflection of these occurrences will or should give you great pause." One does not need to be a fan of MJs to be horrified by what was done to him.
No one knows better than MJ the "historically noted difficulty to disprove" lies like these. He's also referring to the fact (as stated by A Jones and T Mezz) that friends of Jordan's were ready to testify for the defense in 2005—Jordan had told them MJ never touched him & he hated his parents for what they made him do. But Jordan left the US rather than testify & w/out him it was just hearsay. What did Jordan do that prompted his dad to mace him, choke him and hit him with a 12 ½ lb. weight? I have to wonder if he wanted to tell the truth. The request for a restraining order is dated August 5, 2005. http://law.justia.com/cases/new-jersey/appellate-division-unpublished/2006/a0422-05-opn.html
"But I'm of the vision that this stain too shall be removed in due course." back seems to have reason to believe that Jordan, June, someone was going to come forward with the truth. Maybe because Evan is now dead? Tom Mesereau is the key that could set Jordan free if he'd finally tell the truth (Gavin is a lost cause) If Jordan does this thru' TM there will be no legal repercussions—Michael has seen to it. “Trust ME!” ME = Michael, Michael is back.
Though the hands of tIME still move incrementally, tick-tock, tick-tock, it is quickly running thin on the 2 decade long, elaborate planning that culminated in this execution. I can now understand that "vision" of6/25/06 relapse", with CLARITY. This is no conspiracy theory!However, believe as you may. But believing and knowing--- are two different things.
" 2 decade long, elaborate planning that culminated in this execution." Did he periodically work on how to disappear over the last 20 years? Did he intend to do it in 1998 at the age of 40 (that's why he added that date to his signature?), but by then he had 2 kids and things were looking pretty good so he put those plans on hold. Execution has both meanings here - implementation of a plan and someone put to death, literally or figuratively.
"I can now understand that "vision" of 6/25/06 relapse", with CLARITY." It's fact that the weekend of 6-25-09 MJ was with Michael Flatley, who has said he would take what they talked about "to the grave." Flatley was once falsely accused of rape. One of his atty's was Burt Fields, who represented MJ against Chandler. Flately was acquitted and sued his accuser. He also has a history of drug/alcohol abuse. So did MJ have a relapse that weekend? Did he get drunk or take drugs in order to relieve emotional pain? I can imagine him saying "they'll be sorry when I'm dead." and Flately saying "why wait?" He now sees w/ clarity because that relapse was his last? People who survive near fatal accidents often speak of a “moment of clarity” that changes their lives. In this moment, they see clearly the path they want to take if they survive. Maybe MJ had an epiphany of sorts this weekend of June 25 2006, one that changed the course of his future.
“This is no conspiracy theory! However, believe as you may. But believing and knowing---are two different things.” I take this to mean Michael was not murdered, despite LaToya's claims, but that he is in control of events on and around June 25, 2009. The conspiracy of an orchestrated character assassination by the press is very real.
Arms,wrist and feet. Bludgeoned through the veins.
Arms, wrist and feet, Poisoned through the veins.
Two different Kings, with different Reigns.
And The End result shall be the same.
"And The End result shall be the same." I'm NOT talking religion here, but historical fact. Since the time of the crucifixion there has been a belief that it wasn't Jesus who died on the cross - that he went to Greece or Egypt and lived to an old age. According to this belief, a follower of Jesus volunteered to take his place so that he could live and continue his work. We know MJ read extensively in history, philosophy and spirituality - too many people close to him have said so for it not to be true and it's evident in his lyrics. Whether he believed it or not isn't the issue, I'll bet he was aware of this. Otherwise back seems to be saying a religion will grow up around MJ post death and I don't think that's it. Judas committed suicide, so did Evan Chandler. Altho' chandler shot himself on 11-5-09 it made national news here in the US on 11-18-09, the same day this was posted.
JUSTICE........For it is already written!
And shall be illUMINATED! (E. Chandler— I hope you left proper notice repenting---the inferno awaits and you shall become a believer inwhat you didn’t before. HELLis your EQUALIZER. You’ve earned it!
“With all the ingredients—is it Simmering---can you smell it—how long before the “pie” is done.” – As many have realized, IT would have been greatness to an infinite degree.
All this rage against Evan and not a peep about Murray? Justice is already written and shall be illuminated - back is more interested in clearing MJs name than in the fact that an oaf of a doc just killed him. Too weird..... back spent years defending MJ in the most passionate, personal way. TII would have been greatness, and MJs great achievements always brought the liars and leeches slithering out from under their rocks. Too bad, if not for them things would have been so very different.
"IT" would have been great, but back is still simmering something, his pie isn't done yet. Provocative to say the least!
Mr. Jackson--- you know I still have your back---until my end.
Connected
KEEP Watchin'.......
A pledge of fealty from a defender who promises to continue the "good fight"? "Connected" under "Mr. Jackson" rather than at the end of the line makes me think otherwise. And why should we Keep Watchin if MJ is dead?
"This is my planet. You're ONE of Us" --- The Greatest
I don't get this line, why ONE in caps? The lyrics to Another Part of Me are actually “This is our planet, you're one of us”. Now it's MJs planet, and he IS the greatest. Maybe he placed this at the very end for anyone who takes the time to try to understand, and comes to the conclusion that Michael must still be alive – so those people are “one of us”? I'd love to know exactly who “Us” is...
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"This is my planet. You're ONE of Us" --- The Greatest
I don't get this line, why ONE in caps? The lyrics to Another Part of Me are actually “This is our planet, you're one of us”. Now it's MJs planet, and he IS the greatest. Maybe he placed this at the very end for anyone who takes the time to try to understand, and comes to the conclusion that Michael must still be alive – so those people are “one of us”? I'd love to know exactly who “Us” is...
In MJ's lives during Bad Tour we can clearly hear him saying "this is MY planet":
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIn4b7m5RKE&feature=related [/youtube]
In song's context, by "my" he includes us all, cause we are ONE.
Who is "Us"? The ones who are already awake and realize the truth.
In Back's context, "This is my planet. You're ONE of Us" --- The Greatest is used to show that Michael is still one of us right here on "my" planet, so alive.
@bec,
Michael himself or Michael playing the character Back... isn't this the same thing? I mean still would be Michael talking about Michael, isn't it?
Or Michael talking about himself in these terms ("the greatest", etc) it's like he no longer has anyone to praise him, so he praises himself.
I do not think Back is MJ.
What about that post of his when he says that the real killer in oj simpson case is Simpson's son? How would MJ know this?
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JustDucky - I am so glad to see you back on the forum. Thank you for sharing again.
Could BACK be Michael Flately? I say that because MJ spent time with him after the trial so obviously he felt safe with him.
Maybe they spoke more times during the trial than what people realize.
I wonder too about the timing of the posts - would it be physically possible for Michael to post on MJJC every time?
Veronica - OJ has said in interviews that Michael invited him and his children to Neverland after the trial so that they could enjoy time outside
of the prying eyes of the media. I don't think MJ was there but he and Michael would have talked. Is it possible
that he told Michael who killed Nicole? Maybe the son confessed to Michael? Or, maybe one of the attorneys - but then that is breaking
confidentiality. I've been interested as well how BACK seems so confident in that piece of information.
I've had this information in front of me for a long time now - it's the times surrounding the coroner. I believe I got this from the autopsy report:
Reported to Coroner at 1538
Assigned at 1615
Arrived to hospital at 1720
Arrived at residence at 1910
Departed residence at 2020.
The departure of the residence by the coroner investigator always struck me because it was 20/20.
As one who embodies"vision" past 20/20, occurrences of the future are often"experienced". But many times this "experience"comes in the form of internal jolts, indicative of something of great significance. Séance hoaxes are not applicable. There are tIMEs when details are sparse, but abundant enough to "see" the grandness, just as it was in this magnetism towards the tHeOrYof sEVEN.
One who embodies vision past 20/20 - could this have double meaning and also refer to the coroner leaving MJ's house at 2020 on June 25, 2009?
By the way - there was 77 minutes between the time the death was reported to the coroners office and when it was assigned. (1615-1538=77)
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Veronica - OJ has said in interviews that Michael invited him and his children to Neverland after the trial so that they could enjoy time outside
of the prying eyes of the media. I don't think MJ was there but he and Michael would have talked. Is it possible
that he told Michael who killed Nicole? Maybe the son confessed to Michael? Or, maybe one of the attorneys - but then that is breaking
confidentiality. I've been interested as well how BACK seems so confident in that piece of information.
:icon_rolleyes:
You actually believe "the greatest" would invite a man with his children at his ranch to recover after a hard period in their lives, they tell him that dark secret and then Michael goes undercover on MJJC and reveals it to all...?
Nooo...
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@ veronicafall
I got so engrossed in MJs performance I almost forgot why I was watching it *sigh...* He does say “my planet”.
I was thinking of the version from Captain EO. I wanted to double check that he sang “our planet” and decided to watch the entire film – at 1:00 it looks like back's galaxy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1vp5XTjiOU
The song is in the second half http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGPuDdNctJs
Being the “over thinker” that I am, Captain EO sings this song as he's leaving, having completed his mission. Back makes reference to this song at the end of his long and otherwise rather dark post. Maybe, like EO, back has completed his mission – said all there is to say – and what we do with it is up to us.
This is too funny - definition of EO http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/latinlanguage/qt/eo.htm
Indicative Present Active
Sing
1 - eo
2 - is
3 – it
@ voiceforthesilent
Michael Flately as back is an interesting idea, but here are some of the questions I ask myself whenever I think of someone other than Michael as back:
Who has detailed knowledge of MJs business/legal/financial affairs?
Who would conceive of the New 7 Day Theory?
Who would write about these things so creatively?
Who would sound so pushed-over-the-edge in those posts about traces of coke in MJs underwear?
Who would talk about every aspect of MJs life except his children?
Who would know so much about MJs life, post about it with real passion, genuine emotion, and not react to his death, or “death'? Who would continue until June 22 2010 defending Katherine, at times sounding almost like an hysterical child - “leave my mother alone!!!”
I can only think of one person.
One of the MJJC mods confirmed to someone I know that Michael had at least one account at MJJC.
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Woow! So much interesting info here!! :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce:
Thank you @JustDucky!!
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Veronica - OJ has said in interviews that Michael invited him and his children to Neverland after the trial so that they could enjoy time outside
of the prying eyes of the media. I don't think MJ was there but he and Michael would have talked. Is it possible
that he told Michael who killed Nicole? Maybe the son confessed to Michael? Or, maybe one of the attorneys - but then that is breaking
confidentiality. I've been interested as well how BACK seems so confident in that piece of information.
:icon_rolleyes:
You actually believe "the greatest" would invite a man with his children at his ranch to recover after a hard period in their lives, they tell him that dark secret and then Michael goes undercover on MJJC and reveals it to all...?
Nooo...
LOL - put like that the answer would be "no". I didn't think so anyway but thought I'd try to throw some ideas out there.
Then it begs the question - does BACK know for sure what he's saying about OJ's son or is it a guess? Even though I don't know exactly what Michael would do I'm pretty sure he wouldn't falsely accuse someone of a crime like that without proof....so, is BACK not Michael or does Michael know something, and if so, how would he know?
Blessings
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@ veronicafall
I got so engrossed in MJs performance I almost forgot why I was watching it *sigh...* He does say “my planet”.
I was thinking of the version from Captain EO. I wanted to double check that he sang “our planet” and decided to watch the entire film – at 1:00 it looks like back's galaxy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1vp5XTjiOU
The song is in the second half http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGPuDdNctJs
Being the “over thinker” that I am, Captain EO sings this song as he's leaving, having completed his mission. Back makes reference to this song at the end of his long and otherwise rather dark post. Maybe, like EO, back has completed his mission – said all there is to say – and what we do with it is up to us.
This is too funny - definition of EO http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/latinlanguage/qt/eo.htm
Indicative Present Active
Sing
1 - eo
2 - is
3 – it
@ voiceforthesilent
Michael Flately as back is an interesting idea, but here are some of the questions I ask myself whenever I think of someone other than Michael as back:
Who has detailed knowledge of MJs business/legal/financial affairs?
Who would conceive of the New 7 Day Theory?
Who would write about these things so creatively?
Who would sound so pushed-over-the-edge in those posts about traces of coke in MJs underwear?
Who would talk about every aspect of MJs life except his children?
Who would know so much about MJs life, post about it with real passion, genuine emotion, and not react to his death, or “death'? Who would continue until June 22 2010 defending Katherine, at times sounding almost like an hysterical child - “leave my mother alone!!!”
I can only think of one person.
One of the MJJC mods confirmed to someone I know that Michael had at least one account at MJJC.
Thanks - I know it keeps coming up with Michael's name in the "would he could he" questions but I just think about what MJ was going through and wonder if he passed off some of this to a trusted source who knows MJ better than anyone? Like, maybe Miko Brando?
I know we shouldn't concentrate on "who" BACK is, but rather the message, but it's hard not to. I think we've all determined that this is no random poster so there is meaning behind the words. For me, to know who posted them tells me what their motive is.
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I agree, knowing WHO the messenger is, bears as much importance
as knowing WHY and WHAT that messenger delivers!
It's an interdependency here that cannot be ignored!
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I searched and I found the link to that thread on MJJC....
It's interesting to read the reactions... when I have time....
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/81798-Of-a-tHeOrY-or-Vision
Gina I saw you there ;)
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Ask yourself, why can't back just be MJ? It's really the easy answer... so what stops people from embracing the obvious truth?
I honestly think people are afraid to believe.
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Ask yourself, why can't back just be MJ? It's really the easy answer... so what stops people from embracing the obvious truth?
I honestly think people are afraid to believe.
Because they can't make peace with that idea, because it's a crash of their illusions,
for they imagined MJ as a different person -- obviously more refined...
Back is too earthy and imperfect, he's fooling around, he may be hysterical,
he's cursing, he doesn't say 'god bless you', he is not understandable and so on.
So he just can't be MJ!!!
:icon_lol:
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I searched and I found the link to that thread on MJJC....
It's interesting to read the reactions... when I have time....
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/81798-Of-a-tHeOrY-or-Vision
Gina I saw you there ;)
Bless your heart! For people like me who aren't members there, it's nice to scout around to see what people think!
Back is an entirely lovable person shining through, irresistable! :michael-jackson: What a shame he deleted so many posts. :icon_cry:
JustDucky
here are some of the questions I ask myself whenever I think of someone other than Michael as back:
Who has detailed knowledge of MJs business/legal/financial affairs?
Who would conceive of the New 7 Day Theory?
Who would write about these things so creatively?
Who would sound so pushed-over-the-edge in those posts about traces of coke in MJs underwear?
Who would talk about every aspect of MJs life except his children?
Who would know so much about MJs life, post about it with real passion, genuine emotion, and not react to his death, or “death'? Who would continue until June 22 2010 defending Katherine, at times sounding almost like an hysterical child - “leave my mother alone!!!”
I can only think of one person.
One of the MJJC mods confirmed to someone I know that Michael had at least one account at MJJC.
Exactly!! :D
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It's so THRILLING to know that Michael was around fans forums for so long and that most probably he is on this forum too! :icon_bounce:
Even if I have this feeling for quite a while now, I still can't get over the excitement ....
Back's posts are precious!! such a good evidence of how he was always around his fans, guiding them , even revealing in a coded style, his life-time project!
What artists does this? Nobody else! Michael is just UNIQUE!! and his fans are the luckiest and most privileged for he always included us into his plans and adventures!!!
To be part of this ...it's just as if he had invited us on his Neverland carousels.... virtually, but still he's with us!! means a lot!!
I am just so happy!! i can't even describe how I feel.
I think I'll just say: Michael I LOVE you! :bearhug:
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Ask yourself, why can't back just be MJ? It's really the easy answer... so what stops people from embracing the obvious truth?
I honestly think people are afraid to believe.
Because they can't make peace with that idea, because it's a crash of their illusions,
for they imagined MJ as a different person -- obviously more refined...
Back is too earthy and imperfect, he's fooling around, he may be hysterical,
he's cursing, he doesn't say 'god bless you', he is not understandable and so on.
So he just can't be MJ!!!
:icon_lol:
Obviously, the little one knows about MJ, the easier for them to say MJ may be any of the characters around, lol.
It amazes me how many hoaxers know almost nothing about the artist MJ, but they are very sure they know what characters he is playing on the internet.
I take into account everything he said, not only what fits one' theory, and it doesn't add to me as MJ. You call this fear? So be it then!
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Ask yourself, why can't back just be MJ? It's really the easy answer... so what stops people from embracing the obvious truth?
I honestly think people are afraid to believe.
i think some are afraid of being hurt... which is a protection so you kinda get it.... but then you get the ones that are scared to be wrong and fence sit.... dont get the point of that.
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It's so THRILLING to know that Michael was around fans forums for so long and that most probably he is on this forum too! :icon_bounce:
Even if I have this feeling for quite a while now, I still can't get over the excitement ....
Back's posts are precious!! such a good evidence of how he was always around his fans, guiding them , even revealing in a coded style, his life-time project!
What artists does this? Nobody else! Michael is just UNIQUE!! and his fans are the luckiest and most privileged for he always included us into his plans and adventures!!!
To be part of this ...it's just as if he had invited us on his Neverland carousels.... virtually, but still he's with us!! means a lot!!
I am just so happy!! i can't even describe how I feel.
I think I'll just say: Michael I LOVE you! :bearhug:
Exactly Sim! I share your feelings! Sometimes I feel like a little child in candy shop :icon_lol: I soo appreciate his presence! :)
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Veronica - OJ has said in interviews that Michael invited him and his children to Neverland after the trial so that they could enjoy time outside
of the prying eyes of the media. I don't think MJ was there but he and Michael would have talked. Is it possible
that he told Michael who killed Nicole? Maybe the son confessed to Michael? Or, maybe one of the attorneys - but then that is breaking
confidentiality. I've been interested as well how BACK seems so confident in that piece of information.
:icon_rolleyes:
You actually believe "the greatest" would invite a man with his children at his ranch to recover after a hard period in their lives, they tell him that dark secret and then Michael goes undercover on MJJC and reveals it to all...?
Nooo...
LOL - put like that the answer would be "no". I didn't think so anyway but thought I'd try to throw some ideas out there.
Then it begs the question - does BACK know for sure what he's saying about OJ's son or is it a guess? Even though I don't know exactly what Michael would do I'm pretty sure he wouldn't falsely accuse someone of a crime like that without proof....so, is BACK not Michael or does Michael know something, and if so, how would he know?
Blessings
I was watching the O Riley Factor I beleive it was on the 4/4 and he was interviewing a man named William Dear who has written a book called OJ is Innocent and he said that he had the muder weapon which was in OJ's son storage unit he even showed it on television and said it matches the wounds that was found on Nicole Simpsons body. He claims he has tried numerous times to get in touch with the LA cops but they keeps being putting him off like they are not interested . ORiley says he is going to get in touch with them for him but he seems to be skeptical. I would put a link to the show if I knew how, but you can go onto the ORiley Factor web site and it will show you the interview. Just thought this was interesting after reading this discussion.
Blessings to all and Happy Easter
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That is very interesting, dakotablue, thanks for posting it.
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Here's the link: http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/04/04/investigator-claims-he-has-murder-weapon-proving-o-j-simpson-is-innocent-but-his-son-is-guilty/ (http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/04/04/investigator-claims-he-has-murder-weapon-proving-o-j-simpson-is-innocent-but-his-son-is-guilty/)
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Thank you Tink for posting the link.
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Veronica - OJ has said in interviews that Michael invited him and his children to Neverland after the trial so that they could enjoy time outside
of the prying eyes of the media. I don't think MJ was there but he and Michael would have talked. Is it possible
that he told Michael who killed Nicole? Maybe the son confessed to Michael? Or, maybe one of the attorneys - but then that is breaking
confidentiality. I've been interested as well how BACK seems so confident in that piece of information.
:icon_rolleyes:
You actually believe "the greatest" would invite a man with his children at his ranch to recover after a hard period in their lives, they tell him that dark secret and then Michael goes undercover on MJJC and reveals it to all...?
Nooo...
LOL - put like that the answer would be "no". I didn't think so anyway but thought I'd try to throw some ideas out there.
Then it begs the question - does BACK know for sure what he's saying about OJ's son or is it a guess? Even though I don't know exactly what Michael would do I'm pretty sure he wouldn't falsely accuse someone of a crime like that without proof....so, is BACK not Michael or does Michael know something, and if so, how would he know?
Blessings
I was watching the O Riley Factor I beleive it was on the 4/4 and he was interviewing a man named William Dear who has written a book called OJ is Innocent and he said that he had the muder weapon which was in OJ's son storage unit he even showed it on television and said it matches the wounds that was found on Nicole Simpsons body. He claims he has tried numerous times to get in touch with the LA cops but they keeps being putting him off like they are not interested . ORiley says he is going to get in touch with them for him but he seems to be skeptical. I would put a link to the show if I knew how, but you can go onto the ORiley Factor web site and it will show you the interview. Just thought this was interesting after reading this discussion.
Blessings to all and Happy Easter
Thanks for the information, Dakota! <3
One of the reasons I do not believe in Back is because MJ would never accuse someone of committing a murder, without a prior court decision.
He would never do this, not after all the false accusations he went through himself.
What Back says in that post that "his son did it", is more like a gossip than an accurate information.
Is this THE same MAN?! Not in a million years! Sorry...
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@All - I'm afraid William Dear's a nutjob, after publicity. This is out of Forbe's : http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerfriedman/2012/04/03/ojs-son-murderer-in-1994-he-hired-a-criminal-defense-lawyer/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerfriedman/2012/04/03/ojs-son-murderer-in-1994-he-hired-a-criminal-defense-lawyer/)
"As a Texas private investigator, he’s been colorfully involved in a lot of crazy stuff. He was part of a group that got Lee Harvey Oswald exhumed in 1981 because they insisted he wasn’t in his grave. Medical examiners concluded that he was, and Oswald had to be re-buried. Ick. Plus, no matter how unstable Dear says Jason Simpson was, the evidence against OJ Simpson is fairly substantial. A civil jury had no trouble finding him responsible for the deaths. To cover up for Jason would have amounted to a massive conspiracy in which dozens of people who don’t even like each other would have agreed to keep their mouths shut for life. And as I’ve written before, there’s plenty that points to OJ having rages from steroid withdrawal during that time in the spring of 1994. More important than Carl Jones’s hiring was the immediate hire of Dr. Robert Huizenga, a specialist in athletes and steroids."
I rest my case on whatever comes out of his William Dear's mouth - ick!
IMHO, The DA made the entire case a circus, and got what he deserved for it, to be blunt. You don't campaign for re-election on somebody's neck like that! It's inhumane, no matter what. He moved the venue out of Santa Monica, he should've left his nose out of it. And this is why they'll never re-open the case no matter what, because of one stupid man trying to build his career. He smelled like Sneddon.
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Anyway, the subject is Back, not William Dear. They made the say accusation, yes, but who cares who Back is in reality, as long as he is not MJ?
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At the very least MJ himself validates back and that's all that matters to me. :18 official TII trailer "keep a-watchin".
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I read into Jason committing the murders a while back (when it was being discussed here) from a few sources, and for me, I'm convinced he did them.
I think MJ and Back 'know' things that are not officially acknowledged. Perhaps Back slipped that in, to unofficially support the highly controversial fact.
It's so THRILLING to know that Michael was around fans forums for so long and that most probably he is on this forum too! :icon_bounce:
Even if I have this feeling for quite a while now, I still can't get over the excitement ....
Back's posts are precious!! such a good evidence of how he was always around his fans, guiding them , even revealing in a coded style, his life-time project!
What artists does this? Nobody else! Michael is just UNIQUE!! and his fans are the luckiest and most privileged for he always included us into his plans and adventures!!!
To be part of this ...it's just as if he had invited us on his Neverland carousels.... virtually, but still he's with us!! means a lot!!
I am just so happy!! i can't even describe how I feel.
I think I'll just say: Michael I LOVE you! :bearhug:
I couldn't agree with you more! It's the best kept Secret that makes me very happy too! :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile ;D
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At the very least MJ himself validates back and that's all that matters to me. :18 official TII trailer "keep a-watchin".
sometimes i wish we had our own like button on the forum...
as we dont, this is for you...
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:18 is not a "keep watchin'", it's called beatboxing...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7inWDXeffU[/youtube]
I even heard people who never were his fans but got a certain "interest" in him after June 25, that they hear their names in MJ's songs, like "Pauline"... So it's ok to hear "keep watchin" I guess.
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Veronicafall, besides "keep a watching", and just "beat-box" sounds, what do you think he is saying there? Any other suggestions? Sounds like, "itcha atcha" or "kita watcha, but with hoax ears I can imagine less audible sounds.
Does anyone here have the capabilities to slow the sound right down, and isolate that particular part from all the music? I know Serenitys Dream once did that for her belief that MJ is saying, "We're going to show them time like they've never seen before." Most believe he's saying, "talent". I lean toward "talent".
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agree - similar to whispers on michael album
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Veronicafall, besides "keep a watching", and just "beat-box" sounds, what do you think he is saying there? Any other suggestions? Sounds like, "itcha atcha" or "kita watcha, but with hoax ears I can imagine less audible sounds.
Although I'm not that good with English, I like to believe I understand MJ's language...
Sorry, I don't hear any words there, just him beatboxing.
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If you don't speak English it makes sense you can't understand it.
He says keep-a-watchin' under the guise of a beat box.
There's no debate here.
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It's your opinion, not an evidence.
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Ditto veronica, you can think whatever you want, that doesn't make it any less true.
I mean for the record, you are a non-English speaker, correct? I would never in a million years think I could properly understand a foreign language spoken in beat-box, much less profess above the testimonial of a native speaker of that language what the correct translation was.
Keep that in mind, gentle reader.
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I'm not a native English speaker and I also hear "keep-a-watchin'". So... "keep-a-watchin'" prevails, if I may say.
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Ditto veronica, you can think whatever you want, that doesn't make it any less true.
I mean for the record, you are a non-English speaker, correct? I would never in a million years think I could properly understand a foreign language spoken in beat-box, much less profess above the testimonial of a native speaker of that language what the correct translation was.
Keep that in mind, gentle reader.
Just as you trust in your better English, I trust in me knowing MJ's style.
Each with her advantage.
Are you going to argue with me because I hear that second differently?
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so you know mjs style better opposed to other fans...
sorry with respect V your argument is weak.
it really is keep watchin' listen again... promise you :icon_e_smile:
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Tell that to the majority of the fans, not me.
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Anyway, I'm not a fighter. Whatever you hear or we hear doesn't matter really in the scheme of things I guess. One certainty is he lives :) I guess not important to quarrel with the minor...
Sound is subjective
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The majority think MJ is dead.
Since when does the majority opinion cast any insight into truth?
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So if they believe he is dead, they also have to be deaf, right?
Analysing and knowing his art has NOTHING to do with being a beLIEver or not.
And since when, as Aussie well said, our beLIEf of MJ being alive depends on real or false insiders?
Why do they have to be so well protected from those who do not believe in them? Are they so weak/vulnerable?
I don't understand people that can't respect others opinions. All I said is THIS is not a proof to me that Back is MJ. And someone's word is not enough for me to accept it right away without believing in it.
Bring on the evidence that your opinion is superior to mine, instead more words, if you care so much to be right.
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I respect your opinion, I just know that you are wrong, and that's ok. You're free to believe as you see fit, just as the general public is free to believe MJ is dead. I'll not waste my breath trying to convince anyone, as others validating what I know to be true is not necessary for me.
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I don't attack your truth, Bec. Only that, in this case, you have your truth, and I have mine. It's simple.
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I'm not a native English speaker and I also hear "keep-a-watchin'". So... "keep-a-watchin'" prevails, if I may say.
same here.
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@veronica, I'm probably with you on this one! I've always thought he's just skatting. Maybe my (English!) ears or speakers aren't up to bec's and others' quality! It really doesn't matter, it's all ok. Please guys, don't get upset with each other. :bearhug:
(Now, off topic, but can anyone tell me what, if anything, is the next thing he says in TDCAU - after what I think is: 'we're deeply in fire' and 'I'm here/dead to remind you' ? It seems to be the same thing on CDs, videos and in TII, but I can't for the life of me work it out!)
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With my Sony studio headset monitors, I hear "Keep watchin' (beat,beat) WOOOH!"
I leapt out of my chair, quite literally. I've played it over & over, same Two words! Scrubbed it, that's it, folks.
I really did not expect that, to be honest. I have the Bass up to 70%, Treble up to 50% Heh, ouch.
Next phrase: "We're going to show them time like they've never seen before."
Definitely TIME.
TIME is one syllable, not two. Very distinct enunciation. When you sing "time" you start with "T" sing the "I" close it off with the "m," is the best way I can think to explain it. Not drag it into two syllables. Michael knows how to pronounce English very well, and does so right here.
"Talent" is an entirely separate group of phonetics, which just aren't there; no "a"; no "l"; no "e"; and no "nt".
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With my Sony studio headset monitors, I hear "Keep watchin' (beat,beat) WOOOH!"
I leapt out of my chair, quite literally. I've played it over & over, same Two words! Scrubbed it, that's it, folks.
I really did not expect that, to be honest. I have the Bass up to 70%, Treble up to 50% Heh, ouch.
Next phrase: "We're going to show them time like they've never seen before."
Definitely TIME.
TIME is one syllable, not two. Very distinct enunciation. When you sing "time" you start with "T" sing the "I" close it off with the "m," is the best way I can think to explain it. Not drag it into two syllables. Michael knows how to pronounce English very well, and does so right here.
"Talent" is an entirely separate group of phonetics, which just aren't there; no "a"; no "l"; no "e"; and no "nt".
Wow....Tink....I have listened to the TII promo a few posts back on this thread. It does truly sound like, "time".....
I suppose it's no coincidence that comes right at the :50 mark as well.........great post, Tink...thank you.
Have a great day.....
Blessings
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Yepp!! 'cause after all, this HOAX is all about tIMing! :icon_e_wink: and keep WATCHing :icon_e_biggrin: :icon_albino:
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Next phrase: "We're going to show them time like they've never seen before."
Definitely TIME.
He's sooo obviously saying TALENT there! Sorry for your bass... ;)
@curls, it's ok for me :)
I know it's a group of beLIEvers here formed to support each other no matter what. This speaks volumes to me.
Every time someone has an opposite opinion, they all jump to supports their group member. It's fun to watch this show.
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so you know mjs style better opposed to other fans...
sorry with respect V your argument is weak.
it really is keep watchin' listen again... promise you :icon_e_smile:
Oops I meant immortal album not Michael. Same whispers here...
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Considering what Tink does for a living, she can "hear" better then all of us combined. I thought it was tallent as well, but if her technology says "time" then time it is.
The truth is worth fighting for, don't you think? It matters.
Ps. btw, I think all of these things; keep-a-watchin, time/talent, i'm dead/here to remind you, smooth criminal dr. murray resuscitations, "a-live"/"alright" before HMH starts, etc, are purposely mushed on the audio to make them sound ambivalent or vaguely like something else that fits in perfect context, aka they are designed to confuse the auditory senses/he purposefully slurred these lines.
Don't believe everything you see or hear, is the message I get. It's all vague on purpose ala Mr. Jackson. Maybe we see what we want to see and hear what we want to hear. The truth is what you make of it.
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100% is the talent word there.
@Michael, can you "hear" us? HELP! :icon_lol: Need OFFICIAL confirmation in one way or the other.
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:18 is not a "keep watchin'", it's called beatboxing...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7inWDXeffU[/youtube]
I even heard people who never were his fans but got a certain "interest" in him after June 25, that they hear their names in MJ's songs, like "Pauline"... So it's ok to hear "keep watchin" I guess.
I listen to "tchs tchs" beatboxing @:18
Where Pauline heard "Pauline" in the song Butterflies, I heard "wanna be"
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I also listen "Talent", even if the "ent" fades. I listen to L not M.
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With my Sony studio headset monitors, I hear "Keep watchin' (beat,beat) WOOOH!"
I leapt out of my chair, quite literally. I've played it over & over, same Two words! Scrubbed it, that's it, folks.
I really did not expect that, to be honest. I have the Bass up to 70%, Treble up to 50% Heh, ouch.
Next phrase: "We're going to show them time like they've never seen before."
Definitely TIME.
TIME is one syllable, not two. Very distinct enunciation. When you sing "time" you start with "T" sing the "I" close it off with the "m," is the best way I can think to explain it. Not drag it into two syllables. Michael knows how to pronounce English very well, and does so right here.
"Talent" is an entirely separate group of phonetics, which just aren't there; no "a"; no "l"; no "e"; and no "nt".
It's talent, clearly. Even if you could NOT hear it clearly, it's only logical. Show them time? As in what? Clocks, dimensions? Or talent as in: You have never seen my kids do this, or my siblings do that, or MJ pull off a project like this. It's talent. And keep-a-watchin' also btw.
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Where Pauline heard "Pauline" in the song Butterflies, I heard "wanna be"
Exactly! People's minds can be very tricky when they feel that need to find something, anything, to back up their desires.
Situations like that make me think/search "n" times before believing something as a fact.
I'm sure everybody do what they can in this direction though, and we could all be off the tree in any moment.
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Where Pauline heard "Pauline" in the song Butterflies, I heard "wanna be"
Exactly! People's minds can be very tricky when they feel that need to find something, anything, to back up their desires.
Situations like that make me think/search "n" times before believing something as a fact.
I'm sure everybody do what they can in this direction though, and we could all be off the tree in any moment.
I remember reading other people who also listened the name instead of "wanna be".
I never paid attention to the "hidden words of Michael" when came to his dead. To me what took my attention to think of hoax was the ambulance pic and his routine previous June 25th, as taking off the mask of his kids.
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I'm sure everybody do what they can in this direction though, and we could all be off the tree in any moment.
True that.
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OK....so I had to go see it on my dvd...it looks and sounds like "talent" on the dvd....which is what I always thought. But, going strictly off the promo clip posted here, I can understand it might be "time"....it's really strange. I guess it just goes into my WTFoosball File........that file is over-flowering at the moment......
I suppose it doesn't truly matter to me if it's talent or time....I've never seen nor experienced anything like this hoax. It's all just a big beautiful mystery.
LOVE
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Considering what Tink does for a living, she can "hear" better then all of us combined. I thought it was tallent as well, but if her technology says "time" then time it is.
The truth is worth fighting for, don't you think? It matters.
Thanks, bec - I do appreciate that.
@ others who doubt me:
I'm not taking sides here - I'm only saying what is there; I've nothing to personally gain from this; I don't care. I normally charge for my TIME. when it comes to this kind of thing. I used Audacity to capture the streaming audio, and then scrubbed it slowly, capturing every nuance.
This just goes to show, "No good deed goes unpunished." You want something again like this? Unless someone asks nicely, ixnay. I can get abused verbally by a client, but they'll have cold hard cash, and be happy as a clam, when all is said and done.
I've cut movie trailers with Final Cut Pro, and have used other professional software. I actually was brought in to make a guy say "football" phonetically from "baseball," because of a time crunch, so they could get the audio book out. I do know how to take apart several different words phonetically, and recombine them to where the word sounded naturally. It's something you can't do very often, because it will sound stilted. But one word? Not so bad. And - it was O.J. Simpson's voice I did it too! :thjajaja121:
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Considering what Tink does for a living, she can "hear" better then all of us combined. I thought it was tallent as well, but if her technology says "time" then time it is.
The truth is worth fighting for, don't you think? It matters.
Thanks, bec - I do appreciate that.
@ others who doubt me:
I'm not taking sides here - I'm only saying what is there; I've nothing to personally gain from this; I don't care. I normally charge for my TIME. when it comes to this kind of thing. I used Audacity to capture the streaming audio, and then scrubbed it slowly, capturing every nuance.
This just goes to show, "No good deed goes unpunished." You want something again like this? Unless someone asks nicely, ixnay. I can get abused verbally by a client, but they'll have cold hard cash, and be happy as a clam, when all is said and done.
I've cut movie trailers with Final Cut Pro, and have used other professional software. I actually was brought in to make a guy say "football" phonetically from "baseball," because of a time crunch, so they could get the audio book out. I do know how to take apart several different words phonetically, and recombine them to where the word sounded naturally. It's something you can't do very often, because it will sound stilted. But one word? Not so bad. And - it was O.J. Simpson's voice I did it too! :thjajaja121:
Tink, with all due respect: your profession doesn't make you right. My brother is in the entertainment business, has worked with all kinds of professional software programs and I am not a dummy either. Both of us hear 'talent' and when I use the exact same audio program as you do, I hear talent. It's not a matter of profession, it's a matter of ears. You hear time, that's fine by me. I hear talent and many others with me. Does it matter? No, I couldn't care less. But the fact that you work with professional software while many on here do not, doesn't mean your ears are better or that you are right. Does anyone know what the subtitles say?
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"Ps. btw, I think all of these things; keep-a-watchin, time/talent, i'm dead/here to remind you, smooth criminal dr. murray resuscitations, "a-live"/"alright" before HMH starts, etc, are purposely mushed on the audio to make them sound ambivalent or vaguely like something else that fits in perfect context, aka they are designed to confuse the auditory senses/he purposefully slurred these lines."
Good observation!
Auditory illusions, imo.
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as i said, sound is subjective...
it is entirely possible for two people to be in the same place, at the same time, & not hear the same thing.
the critical distinction is between the existence of sound & the perception of sound. is it possible for sound to exist & yet not be perceived? philosophers love debating this! the classic philosophical debate is the "if a tree falls in thewoods & nobody is present, does it make a sound?"
therefore its all about perception.... sound is affected by multiple variables....
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(Now, off topic, but can anyone tell me what, if anything, is the next thing he says in TDCAU - after what I think is: 'we're deeply in fire' and 'I'm here/dead to remind you' ? It seems to be the same thing on CDs, videos and in TII, but I can't for the life of me work it out!)
They keep me on fire,
I'm here to remind you...
Don't you sit back and watch it, baby!
Something like that :) <3
I love so much this song that I'm gonna post it here:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNJL6nfu__Q[/youtube]
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(Now, off topic, but can anyone tell me what, if anything, is the next thing he says in TDCAU - after what I think is: 'we're deeply in fire' and 'I'm here/dead to remind you' ? It seems to be the same thing on CDs, videos and in TII, but I can't for the life of me work it out!)
They keep me on fire,
I'm here to remind you...
Don't you sit back and watch it, baby!
Something like that :) <3
I love so much this song that I'm gonna post it here:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNJL6nfu__Q[/youtube]
I hear this:
We're deeply in fire, they dipped me in fire
I'm there (or dead) to remind you
Don't you sick bastard fox debate it
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Michael saying bastard in a song?! Hard for me to believe... :icon_rolleyes:
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Michael saying bastard in a song?! Hard for me to believe... :icon_rolleyes:
Lol, have you heard the rest of the song? It's bastard, I have replayed that part a hundred times two years ago.
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I hear very clear "baby", or to use "bastard" on the same line with baby... :icon_geek:
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I hear very clear "baby", or to use "bastard" on the same line with baby... :icon_geek:
I hear 'debate it', and i slowed it down 90% back then. Anyway, I think we are rather off-topic.
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I've found this guy who sings it like this:
You keep me on fire,
I'm there to remind you
Don't you let that infect you, baby :icon_question:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eaGuzog59c&feature=player_embedded#![/youtube]
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Thanks guys for your versions of the TDCAU bit I asked about! Impossible to tell isn't it?
I did read somewhere, can't remember where, ages ago, someone thought it was:
Don't you say that I fucked a baby.
So there we are! Who knows? Sorry to take us off topic Souza - I'm done now!
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Hmm. Regret reading that last one.
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I did read somewhere, can't remember where, ages ago, someone thought it was:
Don't you say that I fucked a baby.
Oh, God...
No doubt for me now, the guy that I posted his video above is the winner.
Can't believe I was so off with the last one ("don't you sit back and watch it, baby") all these years... :icon_exclaim:
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I've found this guy who sings it like this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eaGuzog59c&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eaGuzog59c&feature=player_embedded)[/youtube]
Did anyone notice the clues in this video, or am I the only one? :o
THE HATS I guess it takes a total comic book geek to see this:
Superman Black & White logo: The costume he wore, when he came back from THE DEAD was BLACK & WHITE!
Flash: Another character WHO DIED and came back! 2009 Flash: REBIRTH
Captain America: DEATH OF CAPTAIN AMERICA He also came back from the Dead, to be in movies and the AVENGERS!
Spiderman: Death of Spiderman, 2011 in Marvel's Ultimate Universe/Alternate Universe. Technically DOES NOT count! In this alternate universe, Peter Parker is replaced by a Biracial character.
Batman: Batman R.I.P. Batgirl comes to the conclusion no one can replace the Caped Crusader, and assembles a new team. BATMAN survived the Explosion! This is the SECOND time he's FAKED HIS DEATH!
Fantastic 4: Slash through the 4; Human Torch dies, saving his teammates in the comic (We know this is temporary, done only for the sales).
X-Men: Jean Grey/Phoenix has sacrificed herself again & again, only to be reborn. Death knows her as - family. She's the red-headed Hope, rekindled.
Now - do you see!? All of these hats pertain to a character that's died/resurrected, or didn't count as being dead! When I saw the Flash hat, which is the ONLY DC comics hat right side up, I just knew this was something.
Oh, and the NY Yankees hat: I noticed on the hat, initials D.K. DK = DON'T KNOW. Except - I've seen enough Graphitti art to know - the letters have the RED flames starting to rise from the Ashes again.
*Note: Two hats are wrong, btw:
There's a green/gold Spiderman emblem; no such costume exists! So we're back to the "green & gold" colors.
Batman: hanging upside down, faking his death. DC comics.
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i think 'BACK' really know many things as he is keep giving us dots
and wants us link them up obviously.
i do believe he was a person that familiar w/ michael (idk whether is mj himself) but i trust him as it's no meaning to keep posting this kind of things so as to attract our attention or lie us!