Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => The Plan (Qanon, TIAI, BACK) => Back's old posts => Topic started by: bec on January 05, 2012, 11:53:51 PM
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Did we ever get anywhere with working out the significance of these numbers?!
I've had them written on a piece of paper by my computer for what seems like forever - ready for the TIME they're needed!
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I have the same piece of paper, curls, lol; Stuck right down there vv on my monitor.
I have a formula somewhere that shows how you get 6/25/06 (the date of this post, the relapse post explains it was posted on 6/25/06 at 11:54pm. Whoever originally screenshotted it was 4 hours ahead and the screenshot reflects their timezone, 3:54am on 6/26). Reference the relapse post: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=21833.0
When I'm less friend I'll post the formula to get the date from those numbers. It's fairly simple.
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LOL Bec, I think you're so 'friend' you've lost the ability to put a sentence together!! Let alone a formula - with the dreaded numbers!! When's your bedtime?
(And yes, I also have those 'other' numbers on my treasured piece of paper!)
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Curls :lol:
Just looking up Roger Friedman. He is kinda chunky! :lol:
(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/7/2009/06/85812740-thumb.jpg)
Some added reading:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2009/06/roger-friedman-fires-back-at-news-corp-for-firing.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2009/06/roger-friedman-fires-back-at-news-corp-for-firing.html)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/roger-friedman/michael-jacksons-new-albu_b_776333.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/roger-friedman/michael-jacksons-new-albu_b_776333.html)
Some videos:
Roger interviews Quincy Jones
http://www.fanpop.com/spots/michael-jackson/videos/17092179/title/quincy-jones-talks-michael-jackson-with-roger-friedman (http://www.fanpop.com/spots/michael-jackson/videos/17092179/title/quincy-jones-talks-michael-jackson-with-roger-friedman)
Larry King interviews Roger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PfzYe9TFTs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PfzYe9TFTs)
It's hard to say if Roger is friend or foe to MJ, but his perspective is interesting. The fans apparantly hate him. With MJ planning a hoax, and using some media, it makes me wonder though :? .
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Those back numbers.......they are all on bits of paper in a pile at the bottom of my monitor too..... :lol:
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I have the same piece of paper, curls, Stuck right down there vv on my monitor.
I have a formula somewhere that shows how you get 6/25/06 (the date of this post, the relapse post explains it was posted on 6/25/06 at 11:54pm. Whoever originally screenshotted it was 4 hours ahead and the screenshot reflects their timezone, 3:54am on 6/26). Reference the relapse post: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=21833.0
When I'm less friend I'll post the formula to get the date from those numbers. It's fairly simple.
Yes, after doing it so many times, the formula is easy.
You have 62....76...813....21
62= 2006
it's 2006 turned backwards, without 0 6002--> 62
76= June 25th
7= 2+5--> take off the "+"--> 25
6= 6th month--> June
813= 6+2 (above)=8, put along with 7+6=13---> 813
21= 8+13
which is also 7x3, or 777
And we have confirmation the formula is about June 25th because of the date it was posted and because of the "relapse BACK" post also, where BACK says "Relapse BACK, June 25th 2006"
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Also, BACK's formula works from 4 to 4 years.
2006, 2009, 2012, etc.
for 2006 this gives a 3 identical digit number- 777
For 2009 we would have (going with the same formula):
92...76...1113...24
92= 2009
turned backwards, take out the 0--> 9002--> 92
76= June 25th
7= 2+5--> take off the "+"--> 25
6= 6th month--> June
1113 is: 9+2=11; and 7+6=13; put them together---> 1113
24----> 11+13
which is also 8x3, or 888
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For 2012 we would then have 999:
122...76...1413...27
122= 2012
turned backwards, take out the 0--> 1202--> 122 (if you mirror 2012 completely though, it doesn't work and you end up with 36 at the end)
76= June 25th
76= June 25th
7= 2+5--> take off the "+"--> 25
6= 6th month--> June
1413 is: 12+2=14; and 7+6=13; put them together---> 1413
27----> 14+13
which is also 9x3, or 999
So 2006 gives us 777, 2009 gives us 888 and 2012 gives us 999
It's just mathematical logic, but still interesting because back decided to post on 6/25/2006 with these numbers. The symbolic meaning for 999 is justice and truth, plus it is 666 reversed.
25 06 2006
25 06 2009
25 06 2012
75...18...60...27
75+18+60=153
27=3x9 or 999
By undertaking circular permutations of the numbers composing the mysterious number 153, this gives place to six possible combinations: 153, 315, 531 and 351, 135, 513. And:
153 + 315 + 531 = 999
351 + 135 + 513 = 999
The number 999 is the reverse of 666, the number of the Beast of the Revelation (Apocalypse). This arithmetical strangeness demonstrates that the "power" of the Beast, 666, will be "reversed" by 153, characteristic number of the Christ, to give as result 999, symbol of the application of the divine justice. Thus Satan will be chained for 1000 years, 999 + 1.
http://www.ridingthebeast.com/numbers/nu999.php
Maybe a coincidence...
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Ah, yes Anna and Souza, thanks - it's all coming 'back' to me now! I found another , somewhat larger piece of paper, with all those calculations on, after I left here this morning. I really do need to sort through all my computer-side detritus!
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Another 'coincidence' maybe: the number 153 symbolizes the rosary (wasn't one found on the 'death'bed?), and:
The result of the circumference of a circle on its diameter gives a constant, 3.14159..., that is represented by PI in mathematics. However, by using the ASCII character table, PI gives 153: P(80) + I(73) = 153.
http://www.ridingthebeast.com/numbers/nu153.php
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Some of you guys are amazing with numbers. Damn I was never good with them. I started to read a book about angels and guess what. It says that angels also show their presence with numbers. Here we go once again. Numbers numbers numbers ... /pull hair/
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Another 'coincidence' maybe: the number 153 symbolizes the rosary (wasn't one found on the 'death'bed?), and:
The result of the circumference of a circle on its diameter gives a constant, 3.14159..., that is represented by PI in mathematics. However, by using the ASCII character table, PI gives 153: P(80) + I(73) = 153.
http://www.ridingthebeast.com/numbers/nu153.php
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I have the same piece of paper, curls, lol; Stuck right down there vv on my monitor.
I have a formula somewhere that shows how you get 6/25/06 (the date of this post, the relapse post explains it was posted on 6/25/06 at 11:54pm. Whoever originally screenshotted it was 4 hours ahead and the screenshot reflects their timezone, 3:54am on 6/26). Reference the relapse post: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=21833.0
When I'm less friend I'll post the formula to get the date from those numbers. It's fairly simple.
Yes, after doing it so many times, the formula is easy.
You have 62....76...813....21
62= 2006
it's 2006 turned backwards, without 0 6002--> 62
76= June 25th
7= 2+5--> take off the "+"--> 25
6= 6th month--> June
813= 6+2 (above)=8, put along with 7+6=13---> 813
21= 8+13
which is also 7x3, or 777
And we have confirmation the formula is about June 25th because of the date it was posted and because of the "relapse BACK" post also, where BACK says "Relapse BACK, June 25th 2006"
I think it is more simple: 813= 6+2(62)=8 - 7+6(76)=13= 813; 21 could be 8+13=21.
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Yes that's the same equation, scorpionchick.
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TS said the numbers were KEY in this hoax understanding.
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Yes that's the same equation, scorpionchick.
Yeah, but 21 that looks like equation of 8+13(813)=21 is somewhat wrong. With the principle of numerology I know, 813 should be calculated 8+1+3=12. So, the 21 used by Back probably is backward of 12 which also can mean 12/21. That's my guess.
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It's back math, not numerology.
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I've been debating about posting this - I haven't been here in a long time, but I know there are members here just as obsessed with, even haunted by, back's posts as I am. It is with them I want to share something.
I hadn't thought about back's numbers in months, but a few nights ago something I was watching on TV gave me an idea. I had always worked with back's numbers as he wrote them – 62 76 813 21 – but in order to try my idea I wrote them in a column of single digits. The idea didn't pan out, but I noticed something:
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8
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3
2
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36 36 months = 3 years, and back first posted these numbers on June 25, 2006 - exactly 3 years before Michael “died”. Could it really be that simple? It's so elegant, so genius, dare I say “so Michael”?
If this is really all back meant with those numbers, it's hilarious! People like me have spent years trying to assign some deep meaning to them, or making them do complex mathematical tricks. Can it be coincidence that they equal 36, the exact number of months between posting and “death”?
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36 months to that date is an interesting coincidence. 36 adds to 9. This June will be another 36 months, 72 which adds to 9.
I've seen these numbers come up a lot 6, 7, 9, 11, 12 or 21, and 25.
what is the significance of 5? 2012 adds to 5. 5th month is still on my mind lately.
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WOW! great info in this thread!!
I had missed it....
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i hate that i suck at everything numerical. thanks to the ones who get it and can interpret it.... i would have a snow balls chance in hell of working that out.
not that i believe in hell LOL
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Just adding to my thoughts about Back's numbers. He left out 4 5 and 9 in that combination. 4 and 5 is 9. add all those and it's 9. Coincidence?
Also Back's signature image looks like a solar storm with a little star ... eye the storm?
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umm what do ya'll suppose is the significance of the numbers to the thread topic he posted it in ? :-[ :icon_e_confused: :icon_redface:
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@suspiciousmind, I have no idea, except that it was not unusual to have back post seemingly "randomly", meaning, his posts appeared to be off topic on a regular basis.
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so he is add like me :-[ :thjajaja121: or maybe he wasn't off topic just seemed that way. huh who knows. guy makes me beat my head against the wall that i know for sure. :LolLolLolLol:
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JustDucky - so glad to see you back!!!! It would be hilarious if the meaning of those numbers was so simple.
So, I'm not much of a TV watcher but I did see the first show of "Touch" which is a new show on Fox that comes
on right after American Idol. It's about an autistic and mute boy who can predict the future through numbers. His
father works with him to help solve the mystery of numbers that he writes down.
What caught my eye is that in the intro of the show there is a galaxy symbol very similar to the one that BACK used.
Another thing that caught my attention is that on the first show the numbers of significance were 318 (813 backwards). Coincidence?
I'm back to my corner now.
Something else that I saw in a video today (if nobody else saw it - you should as it's excellent) posted by TigerBelieve. Judy Garland died
on June 21st and was brought back to the US on June 25th. I thought it was very interesting considering all of the tie-ins to
The Wizard of Oz.
I'm glad to see more discussion on BACK. Blessings :)
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Damn! still did not read the numerology, there I go. :Pulling_hair:
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@ mindseye
I like your “eye of the storm” idea, but back's signature pic is actually of a galaxy.
I posted some info on that photo and “green galaxies” in the old back thread, but you can see both back's galaxy pic (pg 12) and the galaxy used on the Victory album (pg 2) here http://www.google.com/search?q=image+galaxy&hl=en&qscrl=1&nord=1&rlz=1T4ADRA_enUS370US377&biw=960&bih=481&site=webhp&prmd=ivns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=hjZXTvjdM6rSiAKIs423CQ&sqi=2&ved=0CCMQsAQ
I've found some additional info that's interesting -
From page 500 of Taraborelli's book, MJs condo in Century City was at 1101 Galaxy Way, #2247. While MJ had friends and associates to the condo, the press and general public didn't know where it was - he called it "the hideout".
Now this has to be coincidence. As you know, back's numbers 62 76 813 21 add up to 972 and 9+7+2=18. Take the condo address - 1101 + 2247 = 3348 and 3+3+4+8=18.
“I am the galaxy, the void of space in the Milky Way” from Are You Listening in Dancing the Dream.
I am the galaxy
Are you listening?
Kind of says it all, doesn't it?
This stuff can drive you crazy...
Propofol = “milk”...... Galaxy Way was MJs “hideout”...... Milky Way...... Prince and Paris laughing about Snickers candy on Oprah, made by the same co. as Milky Way bars...... Milky Way slide at memorial... memorial 7-7-2009 (9-2=7 so 777) Will dated 7-7-2002, + 7 years is memorial. Back's #s = 972.... 7-7-2002 and 7-7-2009.....MJ a fan of Star Wars, “In a galaxy far, far away...”
@ voiceforthesilent
Hi!
What you say about that TV show is a trip! If we Keep Watchin, there's no telling what we might see.
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Now this has to be coincidence. As you know, back's numbers 62 76 813 21 add up to 972 and 9+7+2=18.
oh, JustDucky, i've been waiting for you! you paid a lot of your attention to those numbers and you seem to be good at math. )
it's about that sequence .... 62... 76... 813... 21
well, it's obvious where 813 came from: 6+2=8 & 7+6=13 ----> 813---->8+13=21
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maybe m.j. thinking 12 21 2012 the perfect storm.
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maybe so:
62+76=138
813+21=834
834-138=696
696=6+9+6=21 :icon_redface:
If 21 must be a final sum
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@ JustDucky thanks for that information! Interesting connections.
And makes sense being it the year of the Solar Maximum, and when the Milky way and earth align …the Galactic Alignment "zone" is 1998 +/- 18 years = 1980 - 2016. This is "era-2012."
The Fibonacci sequence is also interesting, with the Feb.2013 date. 9 or 6 seems to stand out for me.
btw MJ would be turning 54 = 9 this b-day =6
Here’s more crazy number thoughts I’ve had lately. I had a feeling about leap year having some significance. Maybe you’ll see something to this…idk.
With Feb, May, June, July ... F-orever MJJ ? :icon_geek:
date 2/29/2012 = 18 or 225 --–9
06 25/09 – this date is 979 days = 7 ... maybe 97 could be the 76
go 12 weeks ahead, is 5/23/2012 = 6 or 555 --- 6
06 25/09 – this date is 1063 days =1
11 weeks later is 21st week 7/25/2012 = 19 or 775 --- 1
06 25/09 – this date is 1126 days =1 .... and the 26 could be the 62
anniversary date 0625 is 1096 days = 7
I've also previously mentioned this strange number idea I got from ... Murray's inmate #2926725 which adds to 33=6
I can’t see what the significance of May 23 other than found something about Cleopatra exhibit, The Search for the Last Queen of Egypt…opening on this date in LA organized by National Geographic and Arts & Exhibitions International, a division of AEG Live.
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@ pikachu
Sorry to keep you waiting! ;)
btw, bec and Souza, posting back's posts like this was a brilliant idea – belated thanks for that.
Your idea about the Fibonacci numbers got me thinking; so I'm just musing “out loud” here:
I always want to know what is behind numbers, what do they mean? My first thought was the obvious – DaVinci Code, Merovingian Royalty, Cathars... all that stuff. Anyone who's read The Jesus Papers and The Passover Plot (both nonfiction) will know where I'm going with that. But when searching on Fibonacci the first site I chose says the numbers came from a study of rabbits. http://www.maths.surrey.ac.uk/hosted-sites/R.Knott/Fibonacci/fibnat.html
The misuse of propofol is known as “dancing with the White Rabbit”.
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The White Rabbit is also in 2 of the paintings Michael bought for his kids just before he left, and the White Rabbit is always late (as is MJ, we are told) and he's always looking at his watch, marking time – just as back tells us to do in many of his posts.
All those big clocks at Neverland...
This demonstrates how the Fibonacci series is developed
http://www.maths.surrey.ac.uk/hosted-sites/R.Knott/Fibonacci/fibseries.html
So, is it possible that the fact that back's numbers, written as single digits, add up to 36 (exact number of months between original post and “death”) combined with the apparent use of a Fibonacci-type sequence, is meant to be a key to figuring something out? Could they be the key to marking time? Did he give us a clock? If so, does that clock apply to time after June 25, 2009?
I don't want to be repetitive but this may apply here – on 10-26-2006 back posted “the theory of 7 officially begins”. 972 days later (sum of his numbers) was June 24, 2009, Michael's last day as King of Pop.
back talks about time, moments, earth's axis, spinning globes... it all reminded me of New Earth Time, or something like it – back's own timetable with it's own device for measuring time?
New Earth Time – click the little red arrows to go thru the pages, if you're interested
http://newearthtime.net/net.htm
I need to think about this some more.....
@ mindseye
I want to go over your post again when I have more time. It sounds like you're into astronomy? I've tried to use back's numbers as coordinates of some kind, but never got anywhere.
Michael has said he spent a lot of time looking at the night sky.
From wikipedia: All the stars that can be seen in the night sky are part of the Milky Way galaxy, but for the purposes of the astronomical activity of observing the celestial sphere the term "Milky Way" is limited to the hazy band of white light arching around the entire night sky.
Views of the Milky Way differ depending on where the viewer is, of course.
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@ JustDucky
Yes I’ve always had an interest in astronomy, astrology, and numerology. This is the first time I’ve had a chance to see some of Back’s posts. Thx bec and Souza :icon_e_smile: is interesting. I’m looking at everything now, including bible verses. I might be way off, but who knows.
Your answer to @ pikachu about "– on 10-26-2006 back posted “the theory of 7 officially begins”. 972 days later (sum of his numbers) was June 24, 2009," reminded me of something.
….a few weeks ago I just happened to hear a song called 7x70. The singer Chris August wrote the song based on:
Matthew 18:21-22
Peter came and said to Him, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?” Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.” (Jesus was asked how many times we should forgive our brother. His answer was seventy times seven. God has called us to forgive.)
I’ve always thought that the hoax is not only about truth, love but also forgiveness.
So I looked again at these dates with 70 and 7
Feb 29th – may 9 is 70 days. From 06/25/09 – may 9 2012 is 150 weeks 1050 days
- may 16th is 77 days and 1057 days since
And then may 23rd is 84 which is 12.
But I have no idea if these dates are important or have to do with the hoax. :icon_geek:
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But when searching on Fibonacci the first site I chose says the numbers came from a study of rabbits. http://www.maths.surrey.ac.uk/hosted-sites/R.Knott/Fibonacci/fibnat.html
The misuse of propofol is known as “dancing with the White Rabbit”
yep, breeding rabbits is one of illustrations of Fibonacci principle, but I'm not so sure it has something to do
with our whole 'the white rabbit' theme. might be, might be not.
As to your 972, you know, I also got addicted to those numbers and look for them everywhere.)
But, to be honest, I don't trust Back's numbers 100%, I mean, I'm not sure that all the dates were carefully set up,
for, I suppose, Back could mean another date of the hoax's beginning, but due to plans' changing we got exactly 6.25.2009.
plus, he didn't mention any numbers (neither 28... 71 ... 80 ... 37..., nor 62... 76... 813...21) in his The Theory of Vision...
So, I'd not get fixed on Back's numbers, for there can be errors -- I'd examine Front's numbers instead,
for he tells in the terms of real state of things, i.e. his numbers are more actual. or at least I hope so ; )
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@pikachu, good point. I tend to think back's numbers were already decoded as = 6/25/06, the date of the post.
We even have a formula derived to arrive at that value, and for use to recreate other blocks of numbers from any date.
But as with all things in this hoax, the absence of validation creates a vacuum, which attracts countless alternative theories.
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But as with all things in this hoax, the absence of validation creates a vacuum, which attracts countless alternative theories.
SOOO right!!!
I've experienced that myself many times!!
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JustDucky
I've found some additional info that's interesting -
From page 500 of Taraborelli's book, MJs condo in Century City was at 1101 Galaxy Way, #2247. While MJ had friends and associates to the condo, the press and general public didn't know where it was - he called it "the hideout".
Now this has to be coincidence. As you know, back's numbers 62 76 813 21 add up to 972 and 9+7+2=18. Take the condo address - 1101 + 2247 = 3348 and 3+3+4+8=18.
“I am the galaxy, the void of space in the Milky Way” from Are You Listening in Dancing the Dream.
I am the galaxy
Are you listening?
Kind of says it all, doesn't it?
This stuff can drive you crazy...
Propofol = “milk”...... Galaxy Way was MJs “hideout”...... Milky Way...... Prince and Paris laughing about Snickers candy on Oprah, made by the same co. as Milky Way bars...... Milky Way slide at memorial...
Pikachu
but what do you think about the fact that 813...21... are a fragment of Fibonacci sequence?
0.. 1 ..1 ..2.. 3...5...8...13...21...34...55
Darina21021985
62+76=138
813+21=834
834-138=696
696=6+9+6=21
If 21 must be a final sum
Fascinating! Please keep it coming! I'm so glad you're back JustDucky!