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Title: TIAI December 26
Post by: ~Souza~ on December 26, 2011, 02:51:39 AM
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So...anyone knows how the real ark has to look like? The images TS linked to are different. I must say when I read in the Bible how the ark had to be made - I don't fully understand how is it supposed to look.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: ~Souza~ on December 26, 2011, 03:30:19 AM
This is what TS said about the ark back in December 2009, when he discussed the previous redirects:

Quote from: TS
Few if any objects in the history of mankind have been regarded with more sacredness and mystery, than the Ark of the Covenant.  And surely if there is any object on planet earth that God can and will control at the end of time, it is the Ark of the Covenant.  But the devil knows this, so he will have one or more counterfeit arks to confuse people.  Then if we want to be on the right side of the final battle between good and evil: we must STUDY the true Ark, and know it so well that none of the counterfeits will lead us astray {http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=%22ark+of+the+covenant%22&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g4g-m1 (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=%22ark+of+the+covenant%22&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g4g-m1)}.

So the last time TS linked to those images, he said to us we should STUDY the true Ark. I believe he means the REAL ark, and that it's not a parallel with MJ. So I decided to do this study a few weeks ago, and I will try to explain which one I think is the TRUE Ark, and why the others are counterfeit arks. I hope you will all be able to follow me, if not, please ask.

First of all I will post the part from the Bible where the blueprint of the Ark is given. I will refer back to parts of it as I continue.

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And they shall make an ark of shittim wood: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof, and a cubit and a half the height thereof.

And thou shalt overlay it with pure gold, within and without shalt thou overlay it, and shalt make upon it a crown of gold round about.

And thou shalt cast four rings of gold for it, and put them in the four corners thereof; and two rings shall be in the one side of it, and two rings in the other side of it.

And thou shalt make staves of shittim wood, and overlay them with gold.

And thou shalt put the staves into the rings by the sides of the ark, that the ark may be borne with them.

The staves shall be in the rings of the ark: they shall not be taken from it.

And thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee.

And thou shalt make a mercy seat of pure gold: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof.

And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.

And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof.

And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be.

And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee.

And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.

Exodus 25:10-22

Okay, so let's start debunking. I'll use the "Indiana Jones" ark, which is the most popular view of the Ark. My Bible teacher always reminds me that "the majority is usually wrong", which I believe is absolutely true. Here is a picture:

(http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2011/12/05/1226213/810747-indiana-jones-ark-of-the-covenant.jpg)

There are many things not quite right about this one, let's examine it.

It's hard to tell, but the measurements could be right. It's also overlayed with gold. But that's about it for accuracy. In some way, the curves on top were added, while there is no mention of that in scripture. Also, the 'crown round about' is on the mercy seat, while the instructions for the mercy seat weren't even started until 5 or 6 verses further on in the chapter.

The decorations on the sides seem to have been fabricated as well, because as far as we can see, the Ark was a smooth, golden box without any decorations except for the crown upon it.

Another point that has to be BS, is the placement of the golden staves to carry the Ark. The Bible tells us that the four rings are made of just pure gold. Imagine the weight of the Ark: strong heavy acacia wood, with gold on the outside and inside, plus a pure gold mercy seat with two cherubim, carrying the tables of STONE. That must have been a heavy box. Gold is a pretty soft metal, even more when it's pure (24K). That means that if you would lift it up with all the weight on those four golden rings, it will drop in a heartbeat, because the gold can never carry that much weight. But here is actually where the King James version left out an important part in Ex. 25:12. What they translated as 'corners', should have been 'feet' (Strong's H6471 - pa`am http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H6471&t=KJV)
Since we know that the rings can't be on the side, because the rings couldn't carry the weight, the only logical explanation would be, that the staves would go UNDER the Ark, so that the staves (made of strong acacia wood, covered with gold) would carry the weight. The rings would merely keep the staves in the right place, so that the Ark couldn't get out of balance.

Then the most important part of all the fake arks: the cherubim. On nearly EVERY image of the Ark, the cherubim are placed ON the mercy seat. The Ark was God's throne on earth. Just like on the throne he sits upon in heaven, the Ark has covering cherubim:

"The LORD reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the cherubims; let the earth be moved."
(Psalm 99:1)

"O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou hast made heaven and earth."
(Isaiah 37:16)

Nowhere in the Bible does it ever indicate that angels sat UPON God's throne. Satan wanted it, but was cast out of heaven for it. He was jealous of Jesus, who DID sit on the throne besides the Father. Satan was one of the highest angels, so if HE couldn't sit on God's throne, how would angels lower ranked than he be allowed?

"And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many ANGELS ROUND ABOUT the THRONE ..."
(Revelation 5:11)

"And all the ANGELS stood ROUND ABOUT the throne..."
(Revelation 7:11)

The only verse that says that the cherubim are upon the mercy seat, is Exodus 25:22 in the KJV. This is again simply a wrong translation, and should have been something like 'besides' (http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H5921&t=KJV). Other translations are more accurate on this: http://bible.cc/exodus/25-22.htm


Not only are the cherubim sitting on the throne in most of the images, they also leave little, if any room for God to actually SIT on the throne, which apparently was His intention:

"And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which [are] upon the ark of the testimony, of all [things] which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.

There are only a handful of images that are pretty accurate, all of them leading to the same source, but that's for another time. I think most of you will be able to figure out what the true Ark looks like.

If you study the scriptures, use your common sense and compare the translations AND check the original words used, there is actually not much of a mystery in the Bible.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: _Anna_ on December 26, 2011, 03:53:34 AM
But what does all this Ark issue have to do with Michael? After all we are here for Michael, not to find historical or religious objects and study the real one. I honestly don't know what this has to do with him. 
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Suzy7 on December 26, 2011, 04:50:18 AM
Good post Souza, and I agree.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Grace on December 26, 2011, 07:55:17 AM

2.  The Ark of the Covenant – the Father (Exodus 25:10-22)


(http://thesentone.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/ark-of-covenant.jpg?w=299&h=461) (http://thesentone.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/ark-of-covenant.jpg)
v.10 – made of acacia wood
v.11 – it is overlaid with pure gold, inside and out
v.12 – 4 rings of gold, on four feet
v.13 – poles of acacia wood and overlay them with gold
v.14-15 – poles to be inserted into the rings on the side, and to remain there
v.16 – the almighty testimony (the 10 words/commandments) placed into the ark!
v.17 – mercy seat of pure gold again
v. 18-20 – two cherubim of gold, of hammered work, wings above and overshadowing the mercy seat
v.21 -22 – it is here that the LORD will meet with the High Priest, giving commandments for the people of Israel
Note that the ark of the covenant is basically a wooden box made of acacia wood covered in gold.  The Mercy Seat is its special lid, and inside the ark are three items: the stone tablets of the 10 words; a jar of manna; and Aaron’s budding branch (the latter two placed there later: the 10 words being of greatest importance seeing that it was mentioned both in v.16 and v.21-22).
The Ark of the Covenant was to be placed inside the Holy of Holies – the Most Holy Place.  We will go to the details of the Most Holy Place when we come to consider the tabernacle structure.  Note for now the interesting detail: why is the Ark of the Covenant, the Table for Bread and the Golden Lampstand mentioned BEFORE the Tabernacle structure in Exodus 26?  Surely any architect would start with the structure, before going into the furniture of the structure?
The “Mercy Seat”, the gold used for the entire structure (made of wood) should also be considered as a throne – in 1 Samuel 4:4 the language used is that the ark of the covenant is enthroned between the cherubim.  No doubt, this ark also symbolised the throne of the Father in heaven – c.f. Daniel 7:9-10 and Revelation 4:1-3.  The former book speaks of the Ancient of Days, whose throne was flaming with fire, and wheels were all ablaze.  The latter letter speaks of the throne in heaven where a rainbow, resembling an emerald encircled the throne.  Although the throne was spoken of in two different manners, the lake of fire coming out from the throne is akin to the lake of fire referred to in Revelation 20:15.  However, the throne of the Father in heaven, if speaking of the covenant rainbow established after the global diluvian punishment, then the message spoken of is that of peace and eternity, rather than contention and eternal hell.
Then there is Isaiah 37:16 who speaks of the LORD who dwells between the cherubim; and Ezekiel 1:4-5, 26-28 speaks of four living creatures and the throne of God:
 <blockquote>4As I looked, behold</blockquote>,(J (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=33&chapter=1&version=47#cen-ESV-20469J)) a stormy wind came(K (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=33&chapter=1&version=47#cen-ESV-20469K)) out of the north, and a great cloud, with(L (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=33&chapter=1&version=47#cen-ESV-20469L)) brightness around it, and fire flashing forth continually, and in the midst of the fire,(M (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=33&chapter=1&version=47#cen-ESV-20469M)) as it were gleaming metal.[b (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=33&chapter=1&version=47#fen-ESV-20469b)] 5And from the midst of it came the likeness of(N (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=33&chapter=1&version=47#cen-ESV-20470N)) four living creatures…
26And above the expanse over their heads there was(BA (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=33&chapter=1&version=47#cen-ESV-20491BA)) the likeness of a throne,(BB (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=33&chapter=1&version=47#cen-ESV-20491BB)) in appearance(BC (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=33&chapter=1&version=47#cen-ESV-20491BC)) like sapphire;[f (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=33&chapter=1&version=47#fen-ESV-20491f)] and seated above the likeness of a throne was a likeness with a human appearance. 27And(BD (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=33&chapter=1&version=47#cen-ESV-20492BD)) upward from what had the appearance of his waist I saw as it were(BE (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=33&chapter=1&version=47#cen-ESV-20492BE)) gleaming metal, like the appearance of fire enclosed all around. And downward from what had the appearance of his waist I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and(BF (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=33&chapter=1&version=47#cen-ESV-20492BF)) there was brightness around him.[g (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=33&chapter=1&version=47#fen-ESV-20492g)] 28Like the appearance of(BG (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=33&chapter=1&version=47#cen-ESV-20493BG)) the bow that is in the cloud on the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness all around. So these four living creatures had something of the likeness of a throne above them, and seated above the throne is no mere human (though he had a human appearance) – but this man was wearing gleaming metal, with the appearance of fire enclosed all around, and brightness around him; like the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud (the rainbow), so was the appearance of the brightness.  If you are still confused about this man who was sitting on the throne:
 <blockquote>Such was the appearance of the likeness o</blockquote>f(BH (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=33&chapter=1&version=47#cen-ESV-20493BH)) the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it,(BI (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=33&chapter=1&version=47#cen-ESV-20493BI)) I fell on my face, and I heard the voice of one speaking. (continuing v.28 ) It is therefore quite clear that we should consider the meaning of the ark of the covenant, on which is the Mercy Seat lid, to be considered as a throne imitating the throne in heaven.  But weren’t we speaking of two cherubim?  Indeed: but we need not go into the detail now when the other two angels were added, and the significant parallels between the four angels surrounding the throne of God in Ezekiel (and Revelation) – check out 1 Chronicles 28 to make meaning of the chariot angels and the cherubim.
Then the next question comes: why make the ark out of wood, covered in gold?  Firstly, the significance of gold is that of royalty and divinity (Matthew 2:1; Revelation 1:12-13; 21:18-21).  But this ark isn’t made of real gold – it is only painted with gold.  I think the significance is great here:  it is basically saying that the ark, in itself, is just a temporary structure.  The gold is just on the surface: it is only symbolic.  What is the make-up of the ark though?  WOOD – the wood which speaks of the cross.  Thus, the meaning of gold-covering the wood is simple: it is that of the royalty, painted over the heart of the item which is made of the wood prophesying the cross of Christ.  So also, the cross is at the centre of our lives: and on the outside, we are painted with the golden colours of royalty when we are clothed with righteousness.  I’ve heard other interpretations of the acacia wood as that of Christ’s humanity; and the gold paint as that of Christ’s divinity.  The acacia wood = earthly life (grown from the soil on earth); the golden paint = prophetic visions of Christ as Eternal and Divine Son.  I personally favour the interpretation of the wood speaking of the cross of Christ, which undergirds not only the ark, but much of the entire tabernacle.
The function of the Mercy Seat above all speaks of its significance; in Exodus 25:22, when God says that he will meet with humanity above the cover, between the two cherubim: that place of meeting and atonement, the lid of the Ark is therefore rightly labeled as the mercy seat.  The Mercy Seat “symbolically ‘absorbed’ the judgment of God so that there could be a meeting with humanity” (Tom Parsons).  This is because the ark of the covenant is a living paradox: on one hand, the Mercy Seat was placed inside the Holy of Holies. 

If someone wanted to go into the Most Holy Place it also meant death, because of the separation presented by the curtain between the Holy of Holies and the Holy Place.

 That is why, in later laws given, that once a year the Mercy Seat was sprinkled with blood to bring peace and atonement, explaining Parsons conclusion of the Mercy Seat being rightly named as such. And only by the blood sacrifice on the Mercy Seat can one present the apparent paradox of God accepting sinners into the throne room of the Father!  Romans 3:25 displays Paul’s use of this Mercy Seat imagery to explain how the Mercy Seat absorbs God’s wrath.


http://thesentone.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/exodus-25-27-the-tabernacle-pt1/ (http://thesentone.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/exodus-25-27-the-tabernacle-pt1/)


Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: MaryK on December 26, 2011, 08:07:28 AM
So it´s supposed to look more like this:

(http://a3.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/12/4d077e9b5de34a918d62cf1b1052aea0/l.jpg)

This is based on the account/description of Ron Wyatt who claimed to have found/seen the Ark in a cave in the North of Jerusalem.
He also claimed to have found remains of the blood of Jesus that had dripped down onto the Ark from the crucifixion site right above the cave.

I really don´t know....just trying to contribute something to performing the task.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: voiceforthesilent on December 26, 2011, 09:17:36 AM
MaryK - those are interesting cheribums on that ark. If it's true it's definitely not the picture of a cheribum that I have in my mind.

I find this all really interesting too but am a still confused, like Ann, as to what this has to do with Michael.

Blessings
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: gwynned on December 26, 2011, 10:00:58 AM
Well, this may be way off point, but in doing research I found that the Hebrew word Aron is used  Is it an accident that this is how Elvis misspelled his middle name Aaron on his grave? 

Is the Ark merely symbolic or is it real.  In this article it appears that the Ark is symbolic of the heart.

When we make that offering of our heart, we offer to God the best that we have, and God comes there and sanctifies that place.  This is why this chapter in Exodus continues:

    And this is the offering that you shall take from them: gold, silver, and copper; blue, purple, and crimson wool; linen and goat hair; ram skins dyed red, tachash skins, and acacia wood; oil for lighting, spices for the anointing oil and for the incense; shoham stones and filling stones for the ephod and for the choshen. And they shall make Me a sanctuary and I will dwell in their midst...

These items are all symbolic.

This becomes more interesting when we understand that the Aron is described as “Aron kodesh,” which means holy vessel or holy sanctuary. Kodesh or Kadosh means holy or sacred.

The word Ark comes from Aron Kodosh. That is, when the Aron is made pure, it becomes kadosh, holy.  Thus to make the Ar-k, we have to make our Aron holy, pure.

What this tells us is that we ourselves are the Ark.  You and me.  We are the vessel. God wants to fill us, but only if our sanctuary is made pure.

http://gnosticteachings.org/the-teachings-of-gnosis/lectures-by-gnostic-instructors/724-the-ark-of-the-covenant.html
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Coco on December 26, 2011, 10:11:49 AM
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Is the Ark merely symbolic or is it real.  In this article it appears that the Ark is symbolic of the heart.

When I read about the ark, its description seemed a little too detailed to render it only symbolic. I'm sure it does have symbolism. Perhaps, I'm wrong. Just thinking aloud.

I wonder what it is about what Gina wrote, that made TS redirect us to it...
I keep reading it, over and over. What does TS want us to understand?

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The Book of Exodus gives detailed instructions on how the Ark is to be constructed. It is to be 2½ cubits in length, 1½ in breadth, and 1½ in height (as 21⁄2×11⁄2×11⁄2 royal cubits or 1.31×0.79×0.79 m). Then it is to be plated entirely with gold, and a crown or molding of gold is to be put around it. Four rings of gold are to be attached—two on each side—and through these rings staves of shittim-wood overlaid with gold for carrying the Ark are to be inserted; and these are not to be removed. A golden cover, adorned with golden cherubim, is to be placed above the Ark. The Ark is finally to be placed behind a veil (Parochet), a full description of which is also given.[12]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ark_of_the_Covenant#Construction_and_description
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 26, 2011, 10:32:12 AM
VoicefortheSilent and Anna, 

Like Suzy7 said, the fake ark can be used to deceive people.  This is related to Michael because he is trying to "heal the world".    TPTB know how easy it is to "lead the masses" by using lies !!!!!!!!   Think about it, the majority of people think that everything on the news is REAL !!!!   That's why we have to study and have evidence.   

LOVE          bearhug

Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: _Anna_ on December 26, 2011, 10:43:49 AM
Actually the Ark is not the only subject about which lies are told. There must be thousands more situations like this but  we are here to understand what happened with Michael. I  don't see a connection between the Ark and Michael.
 
Does this look like we are guided to waste our time and this silence on finding which ark is real? No one managed to get to a conclusion since it got lost 2000 years ago. Are we gonna manage to do it? And again, what does this have to do with the real reason why we're here for.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 26, 2011, 10:44:22 AM
MaryK,  This doesn't look like it because " the wings are not above and overshadowing the mercy seat."

One set of wings is down and the others are on the side.  Also, the cherubims look like soldiers ?   

Does anyone know what the cherubims are supposed to look like ?

I think the wings have to be up but not blocking the mercy seat.  Like Souza pointed out, there has to be room between the cherubim, in order to have a mercy seat. 


Love
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: RK on December 26, 2011, 11:02:55 AM
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So it´s supposed to look more like this:

(http://a3.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/12/4d077e9b5de34a918d62cf1b1052aea0/l.jpg)

This is based on the account/description of Ron Wyatt who claimed to have found/seen the Ark in a cave in the North of Jerusalem.
He also claimed to have found remains of the blood of Jesus that had dripped down onto the Ark from the crucifixion site right above the cave.

I really don´t know....just trying to contribute something to performing the task.
I would also go with this as being an acurate image of what the ark of the covenant looked like. Why are we studying these types of things on a hoax death site? So that day will not take us unaware. The temple in Jerusalem will be rebuilt, where the Dome of the Rock presently stands. I have read that they estimate it will take them two and a half years to complete it. Ron Wyatt said that the Israeli Government sealed up his findings until the right time because of the trouble that would ensue. In Souza's post, she brings up the fact that satan wanted to sit on God's throne. He gets his chance....the abomination of desolations........will be when the antichrist seats himself up in the rebuilt Jewish temple to proclaim himself to be God.
And the ark of the covenant will be part of this scenario.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: SEHF on December 26, 2011, 11:18:49 AM
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Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: bec on December 26, 2011, 11:27:15 AM
The ark in Indiana Jones contained a force that melted humans if they looked at it. Only if they tightly shut their eyes and averted their faces to the site of it would their lives be spared. It mattered not if they were the ones to tamper with it or not. The force had no mercy. All would die... unless they closed their eyes.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on December 26, 2011, 11:38:34 AM
I found this perspective on the Ark of the Covenant from the Thrivemovement site quite interesting too:

Ark of the Covenant

Some say the Ark of the Covenant was not just a box, supposedly containing the tablets with the Ten Commandments written by God, but a device – a technology.
 
Here’s physicist, physician Dr. Patrick Flanagan:
 
Author Graham Hancock came to the conclusion after years of research that the “Ark” was actually an electrical device. He cites how “God” gave Moses detailed instructions on how to build a capacitor (Acacia wood covered on both sides by gold) with two gold objects on top which could have served as electrodes.
 
“The cherubim are to have their wings spread upwards so that they overshadow the throne of mercy on top of the Ark…there I shall come to you: there from above the throne of mercy, from between the two cherubim that are on the Ark.” [6]
 
Notice the Flower of Life type geometric pattern on the side of the Ark

Perhaps “God and the burning bush” could more practically be describing an extra-terrestrial and a UFO – sharing knowledge of how to build an electric device?
 
Perhaps the “Covenant with God” was… accessing the life force itself?
 

“According to an enduring folk memory, for example, ‘two sparks (elsewhere described as “fiery jets”) issued from the cherubim which shaded the Ark – sparks which occasionally burned and destroyed nearby objects.” [7]
 
If the Ark were a potent electrical device, great care would have needed to be taken to avoid getting electrocuted by contact with it.
 
“According to several legends, and to rabbinical commentaries on the Old Testament, these bearers were occasionally killed by the ‘sparks’ which the Ark emitted an, in addition, were lifted bodily off the ground from time to time because ‘the Ark [was] able to carry its carriers as well as itself.” [8]
 
… [in] the story of Nadab and Abihu, the two sons of Aaron who were struck down by the Ark soon after its installation in the Tabernacle…according to the Scriptures a flame leapt out at them ‘and devoured them and they died.’ ” [9]
 
In my research I found it deeply provocative that:
 
1) legend speaks of these counter-gravitational capabilities of the Ark,
 
2) that ET visitors must have some sort of fuel-less anti-gravity propulsion that shapes time and space around it,
 
3) and that there is still no reasonable explanation for how huge stones were lifted into place for Egyptian pyramids and other structures - some of which even today could not be lifted by our cranes.
 
Hancock wrote that throughout the scriptures it was the only artefact explicitly and unambiguously portrayed as being imbued with supernatural energies.[10]
 
So on a practical level the “covenant of God” could have been the communion with the life force itself – by concentrating and discharging electricity.
 
“I believe that an explanation exists for the miracles and the terrors that it worked during this period – a rational explanation connected to its character as a man-made device and not to any divine or unearthly influences. Indeed my own investigations have led me to conclude that it may only be possible to understand the sacred relic properly when it is seen in this light – not as a repository of supernatural powers but as an artefact and as an instrument….the gift of an ancient and secret science, I think of it as a key to the sealed and unremembered history of our species, a sign of our forgotten glory, and a testament to lost truths about ourselves.” [11]
 
Researcher Nassim Haramein suggests that the key to the energy capabilities of the Ark was the 64 tetrahedra crystal he believes was contained within – that it tapped the energy that was then contained by the “capacitor box” and discharged through the gold cherubim “electrodes.”

Speculation, Conclusions, and Implications
So how does all this data and speculation tie together? Here’s what it means for me. Numerous ancient civilizations seemed to know an amazing amount about how energy works in the Universe – perhaps guided by advanced extra-terrestrial beings who visited here long ago - and were committed to passing it on through texts, oral traditions, icons and various other means.  While they may not have had the technology or resources to fully utilize this knowledge, it seems to me there were those who knew this code held huge potential for humanity.  Now that we have this vital information, we can learn to better align with the flow of the Universe to access abundant energy and the state of consciousness we know as harmony or love - that is so desperately needed to create a thriving planet.http://www.thrivemovement.com/the_code-ancient_cultures
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 26, 2011, 12:16:05 PM
I also saw/heard something on a video on Youtube called Annunaki, don't watch this.  They were talking about elements in the ark and a chemical reaction.  I will have to find the link.  There were a series of 3 videos. 

Maybe it has a lot of hidden technology, information, and that's why it's hidden ?????   Secret Knowledge ?

I'll see what I can find.


Love

Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: paula-c on December 26, 2011, 01:28:58 PM
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This is what TS said about the ark back in December 2009, when he discussed the previous redirects:

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Few if any objects in the history of mankind have been regarded with more sacredness and mystery, than the Ark of the Covenant.  And surely if there is any object on planet earth that God can and will control at the end of time, it is the Ark of the Covenant.  But the devil knows this, so he will have one or more counterfeit arks to confuse people.  Then if we want to be on the right side of the final battle between good and evil: we must STUDY the true Ark, and know it so well that none of the counterfeits will lead us astray {http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=%22ark+of+the+covenant%22&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g4g-m1 (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=%22ark+of+the+covenant%22&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g4g-m1)}.

So the last time TS linked to those images, he said to us we should STUDY the true Ark. I believe he means the REAL ark, and that it's not a parallel with MJ. So I decided to do this study a few weeks ago, and I will try to explain which one I think is the TRUE Ark, and why the others are counterfeit arks. I hope you will all be able to follow me, if not, please ask.

First of all I will post the part from the Bible where the blueprint of the Ark is given. I will refer back to parts of it as I continue.

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And they shall make an ark of shittim wood: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof, and a cubit and a half the height thereof.

And thou shalt overlay it with pure gold, within and without shalt thou overlay it, and shalt make upon it a crown of gold round about.

And thou shalt cast four rings of gold for it, and put them in the four corners thereof; and two rings shall be in the one side of it, and two rings in the other side of it.

And thou shalt make staves of shittim wood, and overlay them with gold.

And thou shalt put the staves into the rings by the sides of the ark, that the ark may be borne with them.

The staves shall be in the rings of the ark: they shall not be taken from it.

And thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee.

And thou shalt make a mercy seat of pure gold: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof.

And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.

And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof.

And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be.

And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee.

And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.

Exodus 25:10-22

Okay, so let's start debunking. I'll use the "Indiana Jones" ark, which is the most popular view of the Ark. My Bible teacher always reminds me that "the majority is usually wrong", which I believe is absolutely true. Here is a picture:

(http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2011/12/05/1226213/810747-indiana-jones-ark-of-the-covenant.jpg)

There are many things not quite right about this one, let's examine it.

It's hard to tell, but the measurements could be right. It's also overlayed with gold. But that's about it for accuracy. In some way, the curves on top were added, while there is no mention of that in scripture. Also, the 'crown round about' is on the mercy seat, while the instructions for the mercy seat weren't even started until 5 or 6 verses further on in the chapter.

The decorations on the sides seem to have been fabricated as well, because as far as we can see, the Ark was a smooth, golden box without any decorations except for the crown upon it.

Another point that has to be BS, is the placement of the golden staves to carry the Ark. The Bible tells us that the four rings are made of just pure gold. Imagine the weight of the Ark: strong heavy acacia wood, with gold on the outside and inside, plus a pure gold mercy seat with two cherubim, carrying the tables of STONE. That must have been a heavy box. Gold is a pretty soft metal, even more when it's pure (24K). That means that if you would lift it up with all the weight on those four golden rings, it will drop in a heartbeat, because the gold can never carry that much weight. But here is actually where the King James version left out an important part in Ex. 25:12. What they translated as 'corners', should have been 'feet' (Strong's H6471 - pa`am http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H6471&t=KJV)
Since we know that the rings can't be on the side, because the rings couldn't carry the weight, the only logical explanation would be, that the staves would go UNDER the Ark, so that the staves (made of strong acacia wood, covered with gold) would carry the weight. The rings would merely keep the staves in the right place, so that the Ark couldn't get out of balance.

Then the most important part of all the fake arks: the cherubim. On nearly EVERY image of the Ark, the cherubim are placed ON the mercy seat. The Ark was God's throne on earth. Just like on the throne he sits upon in heaven, the Ark has covering cherubim:

"The LORD reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the cherubims; let the earth be moved."
(Psalm 99:1)

"O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou hast made heaven and earth."
(Isaiah 37:16)

Nowhere in the Bible does it ever indicate that angels sat UPON God's throne. Satan wanted it, but was cast out of heaven for it. He was jealous of Jesus, who DID sit on the throne besides the Father. Satan was one of the highest angels, so if HE couldn't sit on God's throne, how would angels lower ranked than he be allowed?

"And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many ANGELS ROUND ABOUT the THRONE ..."
(Revelation 5:11)

"And all the ANGELS stood ROUND ABOUT the throne..."
(Revelation 7:11)

The only verse that says that the cherubim are upon the mercy seat, is Exodus 25:22 in the KJV. This is again simply a wrong translation, and should have been something like 'besides' (http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H5921&t=KJV). Other translations are more accurate on this: http://bible.cc/exodus/25-22.htm


Not only are the cherubim sitting on the throne in most of the images, they also leave little, if any room for God to actually SIT on the throne, which apparently was His intention:

"And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which [are] upon the ark of the testimony, of all [things] which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.

There are only a handful of images that are pretty accurate, all of them leading to the same source, but that's for another time. I think most of you will be able to figure out what the true Ark looks like.

If you study the scriptures, use your common sense and compare the translations AND check the original words used, there is actually not much of a mystery in the Bible.




This has to do with construction of the Third Temple of Solomon. An Orthodox patriarch has said that the Ark of the Covenant has already been found,the last signal spoken of in the book of Daniel chapter: 9 vers: 2 to 27 according to the biblical dates elanzan, the presence of the antichrist on earth.

It is said that the construction of this temple will be "the mother" of all the conspiracies, the greatest deception, in fact it is said that the third Temple of Solomon is = to the New World Order
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 26, 2011, 02:27:33 PM
The video on youtube is called  Annunaki-Don't Watch This Film part 1.flv

I just went on youtube and saw it again.  It is by 101enigma

First they talk about the Annunaki altering human DNA.  Keep watching because then they talk about the levitational abilities of the ark and the elements that are in the Ark.  They say the ark has been moved around continually west and now is in the U.S. ?????

let me try the link www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJGeOrqup7a
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: hesouttamylife on December 26, 2011, 02:29:00 PM
I am posting this portion from the following link because it reminds me still of Michael’s casket and crypt, especially the portion that I have bolded and underlined.  In time, fewer and fewer people will discuss it, visit it or even remember it.  It will be all but forgotten or at the least left alone.  Over the last year I have noticed the dwindling in numbers of people visiting Forest Lawn.  Soon it is my belief it will no longer need to be fully guarded, at which point.. /cook/.  Could this be setting up the scenario for speculation that Michael’s body somehow mysteriously disappeared from the crypt and thus his reappearance considered a ressurection of sorts?  Just a thought /white flag/

http://www.biblediscoveries.com/content/view/27/41/ (http://www.biblediscoveries.com/content/view/27/41/)

"For the last 2,600 years there have been one speculation after another where the Ark could be, assuming it was not destroyed. Was the Ark secretly smuggled out of Jerusalem to some other country? You have heard of such speculations that the Ark is in Ethiopia, in Egypt, in Scotland, and so on. The Ethiopian version is that the True Ark was secretly taken there in Solomon's time and a replica Ark was placed in the Temple. These speculations are absurd! Can you imagine mortal men stealing the Ark? Would God have manifested on the Ark if it had been a fake? Since only the High Priest could go into the Holy of Holies, how would anyone take it out?

So where is the Ark? Did God allow it to be destroyed? There is no scriptural indication of the Ark being destroyed. However, there is reference to the Ark being forgotten. Jer. 3:16 says,

"And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the LORD, they shall say no more, The ark of the Covenant of the LORD; neither shall it come to mind; neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more"(KJV).[/u]

This revelation was given to Jeremiah while the Ark was still in the Temple. In Jeremiah's time, the Babylonian siege of Jerusalem took place as he had foretold. So Jeremiah knew well before they came to Jerusalem, but he, like others, were trapped inside the city walls. No one could take anything in or out of the city. But we know the Babylonians did not take the Ark with them. If the Ark had been in the Temple, they would have known where it was. Did they go and look for it before they burned the Temple? One could argue that God did not allow them to enter the Holy of Holies but let the Ark destroy itself in the fire. But none has ever seen a speck of gold from the Ark which should have survived the fire. The Tablets of stone would also have survived, but could not be found either. So this is the mystery of the disappearance of the Ark. Finding the Ark has become an obsession with some people, particularly the Orthodox Jews of Israel who want to rebuild the Temple.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 26, 2011, 03:00:43 PM
Here is some of the information from the Video Annunaki Don't Watch This Film Part l.flv

I am not sure how to attach it.  If I get directions I will attach it.  I don't know how much of this video is true either because I don't know where it is coming from.  It is interesting.  Here are some things they say about the ark.

1.  It has monatomic elements which are unstable.
2.  They can cause a reaction, a fire of stars.  It also has levitational abilities.
  Monatomic elements are super conductive elements.
3.  To make them stable you have to know the secrets.
4.  Which ever group has the ark has health and prosperity and they don't give it up.
5.  It's been controlled by secret societies the same ones controlling the world

There are 8 metals in the ark.  The Light Platinum Group which are the elements Ru,Rh,Pd,Ag.
These are Ruthenium,Rhodium, Palladium, and Silver.    The heavy platinum group which is Os,Ir,Pt,Au which are Osmium, Iridium, Platinum, Gold.   They are called ORME which stands for Orbitally Rearranged Monatomic Elements.  This is also a hebrew word meaning the tree of life. 

They say the ark is always moved west.  It was in Babylon,Sumeria,Rome,London and other places.  They say it is now in the U.S. ??????   

Please watch if you can and tell me what you think about it !!!!!   There is also other parts to this film.  On one of the other parts they say that wherever the arc was,  they put up an obelisk.   There are obelisks in London,Rome, and Washington D.C.  Do you know where else ????




Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 26, 2011, 04:02:39 PM
I just watched part 2 of the film again.  At the end of it they talk about the Ark again.  They say it will be in China, than Russia, Iran, and then Finally Jerusalem.  When it gets to Jerusalem they say the Annunaki/Illuminati/Nazi's, New World Order/ ruling class will rule the world openly at that point.   
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on December 26, 2011, 05:47:49 PM
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But what does all this Ark issue have to do with Michael? After all we are here for Michael, not to find historical or religious objects and study the real one. I honestly don't know what this has to do with him. 

perhaps a fake ark is about to be unveiled and many will blindly misplace their faith in it while being distracted from other issues - perhaps all the ark reference is actually a warning.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on December 26, 2011, 06:44:10 PM
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But what does all this Ark issue have to do with Michael? After all we are here for Michael, not to find historical or religious objects and study the real one. I honestly don't know what this has to do with him. 

perhaps a fake ark is about to be unveiled and many will blindly misplace their faith in it while being distracted from other issues - perhaps all the ark reference is actually a warning.

Thought of that too.. TS might have posted the images of the Ark to show that we've been distracted from the orginal story of the Ark because of the huge amount of speculations and fake stories that followed since the start/the creation, for various reasons. And in connection to Michael, I'm thinking that the only way to find the real truth is not here and now distracted by all the speculations and media trash about Michael's death since 06/25/09, but go back to the start, to the original story with facts and be aware of the news sources.  
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: MaryK on December 26, 2011, 06:52:34 PM
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MaryK,  This doesn't look like it because " the wings are not above and overshadowing the mercy seat."

One set of wings is down and the others are on the side.  Also, the cherubims look like soldiers ?   

Does anyone know what the cherubims are supposed to look like ?

I think the wings have to be up but not blocking the mercy seat.  Like Souza pointed out, there has to be room between the cherubim, in order to have a mercy seat. 


Love
The wings are not blocking the mercy seat IMO. The Ark of the Covenant is meant to be "God´s throne on earth". A replica of God´s throne in the heavenly sanctuary. If you look at the picture you can really imagine someone sitting on the Ark as a kind of throne because there is enough room between the cherubim and the wings form some kind of backrest.
If you really place the wings ABOVE the Ark (like some kind of baldachin), nobody will be able to sit on it.
Also in the instruction: "and the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings" the word "cover" can be translated as "protect".
There is no indication of whether they have to spread both wings or just one each.
And indeed the cherubim are some kind of soldiers. It´s their job to protect God and all holy/hallowed things in heaven and on earth (thus also the Ark). For example just remember how God placed a cherubim as a guardian to the way to the tree of life in Eden.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: MaryK on December 26, 2011, 07:17:04 PM
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But what does all this Ark issue have to do with Michael? After all we are here for Michael, not to find historical or religious objects and study the real one. I honestly don't know what this has to do with him. 

perhaps a fake ark is about to be unveiled and many will blindly misplace their faith in it while being distracted from other issues - perhaps all the ark reference is actually a warning.
Perhaps even more than that....maybe this is a warning that Satan (Lucifer or what ever you might call him) will try to deceive mankind with a false Ark, displaying himself in place of God. 
Here´s about Satan from Isaiah 14:12-14:
How you have fallen from heaven, O Lucifer son of the dawn. You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations. You said in your heart, “I will ascend to heaven. I will raise my throne above the stars of God. I will sit enthroned on the mount of the assembly, on the uttermost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the mountains. I will make myself like the Most High”.
So that is what his goal is....and in order to make mankind follow him, he would have to establish some kind of justification. Why not use the Ark of the covenant, THE most "famous" and important holy artifact.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 26, 2011, 07:37:31 PM
The evil "rulers" of the New World Order want to eventually bring their "ark" to Jerusalem and declare themselves the rulers of the world.  I don't really know, but I saw this on a video. 
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: scorpionchik on December 26, 2011, 09:11:50 PM
TS has become speechless for some reason. After long posts, now only images. What happened? ..................................
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Yambo3003 on December 26, 2011, 10:17:10 PM
"On 25 June 2009, the patriarch of the Orthodox Church of Ethiopia, Abune Paulos, said he would announce to the world the next day the unveiling of the Ark of the Covenant, which he said had been kept safe and secure in a church in Axum, Ethiopia.[25]"  -Wikipedia
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Grace on December 26, 2011, 10:27:44 PM
On 26 June 2009, the Italian press claimed that Abune Paulos along with a claimed son of Prince Makonnen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Makonnen) and Duke Amedeo D'Aosta (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amedeo_D%27Aosta&action=edit&redlink=1), would come forward at the Hotel Aldrovandi (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hotel_Aldrovandi&action=edit&redlink=1) in Rome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome) with the announcement that the true Ark of the covenant, which has supposedly been kept in secret at St. Mary's of Zion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Our_Lady_Mary_of_Zion) in Ethiopia, would be unveiled to the public to view for the first time in history in a museum being built in Axum. The announcement was never made; instead the Patriarch immediately denied that any such event had ever been planned. The person that the Italian press had identified as the Ethiopian Prince was subsequently revealed as not being a recognized member of the former Imperial family, and the involvement of the Duke of Aosta in the affair was also called into question.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abune_Paulos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abune_Paulos)


The patriarch of Ethiopian Church, Abune Paulos was received by pope Benedict XVI for an audience on June 18, 2009.
http://freeforumzone.leonardo.it/lofi/Discorsi-omelie-udienze-angelus-e-altri-documenti/D8280782-11.html (http://freeforumzone.leonardo.it/lofi/Discorsi-omelie-udienze-angelus-e-altri-documenti/D8280782-11.html)

He participated as well at the "G8 summit of religious leaders" in Rome, that lasted from June 15 - 17, 2009.
http://www.santegidio.org/index.php?pageID=64&id=6573&idLng=1069 (http://www.santegidio.org/index.php?pageID=64&id=6573&idLng=1069)
http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/06/18/world-religious-leaders-hold-their-own-g8-summit/ (http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/06/18/world-religious-leaders-hold-their-own-g8-summit/)

The Italian news agency ADNKRONOS distributing the unveiling rumours in 2009 does serve the Arab / English / Italian news markets with news mainly from the Arab world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnkronos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnkronos)
http://www.adnkronos.com/IGN/News/ (http://www.adnkronos.com/IGN/News/)

ADNKRONOS belongs to Guiseppe Marra Communications, a multimedia holding in Italy.
http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Group/ (http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Group/)

This is Guiseppe Marra (right) on occasion of a Berlusconi re-election press conference media event at GMC headquarter.
(http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/Assets/Imgs/Personaggi/M/marra_berlusconi--200x150.jpg)
http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=1.0.2013916195 (http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=1.0.2013916195)
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: RK on December 26, 2011, 11:47:48 PM
So Abune Paulos made the British museum return some 'tabots'  of the ark of the covenant. It is interesting that the word tabot can also refer to a replica.
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he ambiguity of the word tabot has made the question of the Ark in Ethiopia very difficult to understand. Not only is it used for the Ark of the Covenant in the Old Testament, it is also used for the Tablet at Aksum, and for the tens of thousands of altar tablets in every Ethiopian church. Each of these altar stones, on which the sacraments of the Christian liturgy are consecrated, is believed to be a replica of the Ark. In fact, each one is believed actually to be the Ark. This has meant that foreign travelers in Ethiopia have often understood Ethiopians to be talking about the Ark of the Covenant described in the Old Testament when they are really speaking about a tabot in a local church. The rich symbolism that surrounds the tabot and the Ethiopian traditions about the Ark is a source of mystical inspiration for the Ethiopian church in the liturgy, and especially during the great processions such as Timkat or Hedar Seyon, festivals that commemorate the Baptism of Christ in January and the arrival of the Ark in November. It is this tradition of profound spirituality that is the key to understanding the nature of Ethiopian claims about the Ark.
Abune Paulos is also a member of the world council of churches
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One gets the distinct impression that the World Council of Churches is a globally-based 'ecclesio-political' organisation rather than a genuine expression of spiritual Christian unity throughout the world. Although it is fronted with a Christian confession (albeit a very limited one), it is in reality a syncretistic organisation promoting 'Liberation theology' — the inevitable outcome of its structure and its doctrinal position, having been thoroughly infiltrated by antichristian forces. In the words of one discerning reviewer, the World Council of Churches is 'an example par excellence of situation ethics and the double standard'.13
Their aim is not biblical....it's not even about social justice....
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: AllThatIs...LOVE on December 27, 2011, 12:05:10 AM
Another interpretation:

Mary, the Virgin Mother of Jesus, was seen by the early Church Fathers as the Ark of the New Covenant. As the second person of the Triune God, Jesus was present in the Shekinah of the ancient Ark of the Covenant. Through His Incarnation, Jesus became present in Mary's womb, the Ark of the New Covenant.

See Iconography here: http://catholicspirituality.blogspot.com/2008/11/our-lady-of-mercy-ark-of-covenant.html

The iconic monstrance, Our Lady of the Sign – Ark of Mercy, was unveiled and blessed by Cardinal Francis George, May 31, 2008, on the Feast of the Visitation. The idea of the iconic monstrance was conceived nine years prior to its unveiling. At that time a call was heard which resulted in the entrustment and consecration of the parish of St. Stanislaus Kostka to the Blessed Virgin Mary. A discernment led by Fr. Anthony Bus C.R. inspired a parish wide response to establish in the heart of Chicago, a Sanctuary to The Divine Mercy. The doors of the parish were opened and eyes were turned to Mary, Holy Queen and Mother of Mercy, that the “cacophony of the world not shout into silence the voice of the living God.” It was accepted that the Blessed Virgin Mary had asked for and created space for sacred silence that the voice of her Son would be heard anew and that He would be adored in the Blessed Sacrament. At the request of Fr. Anthony, Stefan Niedorezo was commissioned to sculpt the image of the iconic monstrance according to the design conveyed in the Book of Revelation. Malgorzata Sawczuk was commissioned to apply the paint and gold gilding to the iconic monstrance.
 
Our Lady of the Sign
 

Then God’s temple in heaven opened and in the temple could be seen the Ark of His Covenant. There were flashes of lightning and peals of thunder, an earthquake, and a violent hailstorm! A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. Because she was with child, she wailed aloud in pain as she labored to give birth. (Rev. 11:19;12:1-2)
 
The iconic monstrance, Our Lady of the Sign – Ark of Mercy, also calls to mind the promise God made to Ahaz from the book of the prophet Isaiah. In speaking to Ahaz, the Lord said:
 
 
Ask for a sign from the Lord our God; let it be deep as the nether world, or high as the sky! But Ahaz answered, I will not ask! I will not tempt the Lord! Then the Lord said: Listen, O house of David! Is it not enough for you to weary men, must you also weary God? Therefore the Lord Himself will give you this sign: the Virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and shall call Him Emmanuel. (Isaiah 7:11-14)
 
 
The iconic monstrance, Our Lady of the Sign – Ark of Mercy, also recalls the words of Blessed John Paul II in his encyclical, Ecclesia de Eucharistia, chapter 6, “Woman of the Eucharist”:
 
 
Mary anticipated, in the mystery of the Incarnation, the Church’s Eucharistic faith. When, at the Visitation, she bore in her womb the Word made Flesh, she became in some way a ‘tabernacle’ – the first ‘tabernacle’ in history – in which the Son of God, still invisible to our human gaze, allowed Himself to be adored by Elizabeth, radiating His light as it were through the eyes and voice of Mary.
 
 
The composition of the iconic monstrance is based on the ancient tradition of Christian iconography. In the earliest tradition of the Church, the Blessed Virgin Mary is shown wearing a red outer garment to symbolize her humanity. Her blue inner garment, seen at the wrists and neckline of the iconic image, symbolizes her sanctity. In the earliest tradition of the Church, Jesus is clothed in the opposite, a blue outer garment as a symbol of His divinity and a red inner garment as a symbol of His humanity. The woman’s crown of twelve stars, represent the twelve tribes of Israel and the twelve apostles. The twelve tribes are a foreshadowing of the twelve apostles upon whom Jesus would build the Church – Peter being the rock and Jesus, the capstone. The Blessed Virgin Mary is both, Mother Israel and Mother Church. She is the bridge linking the Old and the New Covenants. What began as one nation was destined to envelop all nations.
 
 
The iconic monstrance, Our Lady of the Sign – Ark of Mercy, has inscribed in Greek calligraphy two passages from Sacred Scripture. The hem of Our Lady’s dress reads from Isaiah 61:10, “I will greatly rejoice in the Lord, my soul shall exult in my God; for He has clothed me with the garments of salvation, He has covered me with the robe of righteousness”. The neckline of Our Lady’s garment reads from the opening passage of her prayer in Luke’s gospel, the Magnificat; “My soul magnifies the Lord.”
 
Mary, Ark of the Covenant
 

 In ancient Israel, the Ark of the Covenant, gilded in gold, was the visible sign that God dwelt among His people. It was also the promise of His mercy. The Israelites were instructed to carve two images of angels. Their wings were to hover over the ark to form a canopy, signifying the shekinah glory, God’s presence among His people. Safeguarded within the ark were the tablet of the Ten Commandments, the bread from heaven that sustained the Israelites in their journey through the desert, and the rod of the high priest Aaron. The top of the ark was called the kapporeth or mercy seat. It was upon the kapporeth that the blood of the Lamb was sprinkled in expiation for the sins of the people. The two carrying posts alongside the ark were a reminder that as the ark was carried through the desert, the people of the covenant remained a pilgrim people, in journey through this life into the next.
 
 
The Ark of the Covenant disappeared with the destruction of the temple in 587 B.C. This was a major blow to the people of the covenant. For 70 times 7 years a faithful remnant kept vigil awaiting the return of the Ark of the Covenant. Its promised return is fulfilled in the annunciation when the angel Gabriel announces to the Virgin of Nazareth that she would be the mother of the long awaited Messiah. When she conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit, she bore within her womb, the Giver of the Law, the Bread from heaven, and the Supreme High Priest – in a word, the Incarnate God. She gave birth to Emmanuel which means, “God with us”. She nursed Him and nurtured Him. At the wedding feast of Cana in Galilee she bid Him forward on the journey that would take Him to the long awaited hour of our redemption. She is there at the foot of the cross, the Mother of Mercy.
 
 
 We are the Messianic people, born and washed clean in the Blood of the Lamb. The Blessed Virgin Mary participated in a unique and distinct way in the work of our redemption. At the foot of the cross, suffering in the pain of labor, she gave birth to her children, children born from the blood of her Son. The Blessed Virgin Mary literally received the blood that was shed in expiation for our sins. She is the kapporeth, the Seat of Mercy. Jesus is the Messiah.  Adoration
 

 The iconic monstrance, Our Lady of the Sign – Ark of Mercy, is an invitation and a reminder. In Luke’s gospel, when Jesus was speaking to a crowd, a woman cried out, “Blessed the womb that bore you and the breasts that nursed you.” Jesus replied, “Rather, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it.” Adoring the Eucharistic Jesus in the iconic monstrance, Our Lady of the Sign – Ark of Mercy, is our response to the Blessed Virgin Mary’s words at the wedding feast of Cana, to listen to Him and “Do whatever He tells you.” Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament enveloped by the iconic image of Our Lady, is to listen like Mary, to hear Jesus speak, and do His will. Our presence before the iconic monstrance is an invitation and reminder to be icons, showing forth to a world enveloped in darkness, that no matter how dark the dark may be, the Light is still more powerful. In a word, the iconic monstrance, Our Lady of the Sign – Ark of Mercy, is a call to be sacrament – to make visible what is invisible – Emmanuel, God with us.
 
 To be in the presence of the Blessed Sacrament and to adore Him from the heart is to place trust in Him that He can bring healing to your soul and transformation to your life. In her diary, St. Maria Faustina, the “apostle of The Divine Mercy” wrote, “I saw the same rays (of the Divine Mercy) issuing from the monstrance and spreading throughout the church. Beneath these rays a heart will grow warm even if it were like a block of ice.” Jesus had told St. Maria Faustina, “Let the rays of grace enter your soul. They bring with them light, warmth, and life.”
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: MJonmind on December 27, 2011, 12:08:49 AM
AllThatIs...Love, welcome! Very interesting post!



So even if the Ethiopian Ark is really nothing, it still begs the question why the announcement at all on the day MJ "died"? :?



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Everlastinglove_MJ
I found this perspective on the Ark of the Covenant from the Thrivemovement site quite interesting too. .. Some say the Ark of the Covenant was not just a box, supposedly containing the tablets with the Ten Commandments written by God, but a device – a technology.
I believe this is on the right track, and the Bible and end times E. T. related.


MaryK, I agree with your post on the Ark looking like a throne.

http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?t=65000 (http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?t=65000)

Litters were favored by pharaohs of ancient Egypt

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rNMOlewSvvM/SrkLS-8PFiI/AAAAAAAADXU/pG7jhMMWi18/s400/litter2.jpg)

Near Eastern Thrones and the Ark of the Covenant
http://www.jesuswalk.com/kingdom/thrones.htm (http://www.jesuswalk.com/kingdom/thrones.htm)
The ark of the covanent as a chest, throne and footstool.

We know the Israelites were slaves in Egypt 400 years, and Moses, the leader assigned to build the ark, was raised in Pharoah's court. Naturally there would be similarities of Israelite art/structures to Egyptian ones.  Notice the wings.
(http://www.templesecrets.info/ark/images/ark1-8.gif)

(http://www.templesecrets.info/ark/images/ark1-12.gif)
http://www.templesecrets.info/ark/ark1.html (http://www.templesecrets.info/ark/ark1.html)

Talking about Jeremiah saying in the future the ark would be mentioned no more, but it would be replaced by Jerusalem as the throne.
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Jeremiah 3:16-18 (ASV)
16 And it shall come to pass, when ye are multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith Jehovah, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of Jehovah; neither shall it come to mind; neither shall they remember it; neither shall they miss it; neither shall it be made any more.
17 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of Jehovah; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of Jehovah, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the stubbornness of their evil heart.
18 In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I gave for an inheritance unto your fathers.

This is the coming (out of ‘heaven’) new Jerusalem mind you.  There are many verses telling how in the last days, all 12 tribes will be united once more, under the one leader, shepherd, the messiah who will rule so wisely that all nations would come for blessing and wisdom. That is still a future event; the gathering has not taken place yet, though the present occupiers of Israel want the world to think so.  ( Modern Jews supposedly come from one tribe –Judahites from Judah—only one of 12 sons of Israel.)

So therefore I would say then that the Ark of the Covenant does NOT represent Jesus Christ, or the Messiah, but the throne upon which he sits.

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Hebrews 8:1-5 (ASV)1Now in the things which we are saying the chief point is this: We have such a high priest, who sat down on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,
2 a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, not man.
3 For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is necessary that this high priest also have somewhat to offer.
4 Now if he were on earth, he would not be a priest at all, seeing there are those who offer the gifts according to the law;
5 who serve that which is a copy and shadow of the heavenly things, even as Moses is warned of God when he is about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern that was showed thee in the mount.


Call me crazy, but I believe that possibly the New Jerusalem is a massive mother space-ship shaped possibly like a pyramid.  It is the throne of God and the lamb, and a blessing to all the nations on earth.
Revelation 21   http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2021&version=ASV (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2021&version=ASV)





On the subject of Ron Hyatt. I have seen his videos. He was a sensation seeker, a fraud, knew how to emotionally capture his audience. When honest people tried to find his sources, he was evasive or not answering. His outrageous claims seemed to surpass ALL of the major Biblical archeological discoveries from centuries of genuine finds.
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Ronald Eldon Wyatt(1933 – August 4, 1999) was an adventurer and former nurse anaesthetist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nurse_anaesthetist)noted for advocating the Durupınar site (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durup%C4%B1nar_site)as the site of Noah's Ark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Searches_for_Noah%27s_Ark), among other Bible-related (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_archaeology)pseudoarchaeology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoarchaeology). His claims were dismissed by scientists, historians, biblical scholars, and even by leaders in his own Seventh-day Adventist Church (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh-day_Adventist_Church) but his work continues to have a following among some fundamentalists and evangelicals.In a similar vein, archaeologist Joe Zias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Zias) of Israel Antiquities Authority (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Antiquities_Authority) (IAA) has stated that "Ron Wyatt is neither an archaeologist nor has he ever carried out a legally licensed excavation in Israel or Jerusalem. In order to excavate one must have at least a BA in archaeology which he does not possess despite his claims to the contrary. ... [His claims] fall into the category of trash which one finds in tabloids such as the National Enquirer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Enquirer), Sun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_(supermarket_tabloid)) etc."[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Wyatt#cite_note-2) :lol:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Wyatt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Wyatt)
Also  http://www.tccsa.tc/articles/wyatt.html (http://www.tccsa.tc/articles/wyatt.html)
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: 2good2btrue on December 27, 2011, 03:42:47 AM
I wont say much more about this subject, as I don't have any other information or knowledge about it other than having to google it..!!

But a picture can speak a thousand words........God bless. 
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: MaryK on December 27, 2011, 07:15:19 AM
Just want to put some thoughts out here, as I feel that we (once again) are getting stuck here.
@TS:
Some of us really don´t even try or dare to contribute something here because it´s not an easy subject and not everyone has the knowledge or the background to even get started on this. Also might be that many of us don´t know why we we are supposed to figure this out.
We are still here, putting out thoughts, findings, theories, conclusions...it´s not that we are lazy or reluctant. I think we just don´t know where we are going and what you are aiming at.
I really enjoy participating in the task and it´s kind of fun and certainly educational, but....
I can only speak for myself, but I really think that many of us here would appreciate a little more guidance. Like „yes you are close to what I want you to figure out“ or „no, this is the wrong direction“.
Or let me put it this way, with the words of Lewis Carroll from „Through the Looking Glass“:

A BOAT beneath a sunny sky,
Lingering onward dreamily
In an evening of July —

Children three that nestle near,
Eager eye and willing ear,
Pleased a simple tale to hear —

Long has paled that sunny sky:
Echoes fade and memories die:
Autumn frosts have slain July.

Still she haunts me, phantomwise,
Alice moving under skies
Never seen by waking eyes.

Children yet, the tale to hear,
Eager eye and willing ear,
Lovingly shall nestle near.

In a Wonderland they lie,
Dreaming as the days go by,
Dreaming as the summers die:

Ever drifting down the stream —
Lingering in the golden gleam —
Life, what is it but a dream?

TS, where are we going? I am certainly not impatient but I´d really like to move on and keep up the work.
Please, please?  ;)
 bearhug
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: paula-c on December 27, 2011, 08:59:36 AM
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On 26 June 2009, the Italian press claimed that Abune Paulos along with a claimed son of Prince Makonnen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Makonnen) and Duke Amedeo D'Aosta (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amedeo_D%27Aosta&action=edit&redlink=1), would come forward at the Hotel Aldrovandi (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hotel_Aldrovandi&action=edit&redlink=1) in Rome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome) with the announcement that the true Ark of the covenant, which has supposedly been kept in secret at St. Mary's of Zion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Our_Lady_Mary_of_Zion) in Ethiopia, would be unveiled to the public to view for the first time in history in a museum being built in Axum. The announcement was never made; instead the Patriarch immediately denied that any such event had ever been planned. The person that the Italian press had identified as the Ethiopian Prince was subsequently revealed as not being a recognized member of the former Imperial family, and the involvement of the Duke of Aosta in the affair was also called into question.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abune_Paulos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abune_Paulos)


The patriarch of Ethiopian Church, Abune Paulos was received by pope Benedict XVI for an audience on June 18, 2009.
http://freeforumzone.leonardo.it/lofi/Discorsi-omelie-udienze-angelus-e-altri-documenti/D8280782-11.html (http://freeforumzone.leonardo.it/lofi/Discorsi-omelie-udienze-angelus-e-altri-documenti/D8280782-11.html)

He participated as well at the "G8 summit of religious leaders" in Rome, that lasted from June 15 - 17, 2009.
http://www.santegidio.org/index.php?pageID=64&id=6573&idLng=1069 (http://www.santegidio.org/index.php?pageID=64&id=6573&idLng=1069)
http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/06/18/world-religious-leaders-hold-their-own-g8-summit/ (http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/06/18/world-religious-leaders-hold-their-own-g8-summit/)

The Italian news agency ADNKRONOS distributing the unveiling rumours in 2009 does serve the Arab / English / Italian news markets with news mainly from the Arab world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnkronos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnkronos)
http://www.adnkronos.com/IGN/News/ (http://www.adnkronos.com/IGN/News/)

ADNKRONOS belongs to Guiseppe Marra Communications, a multimedia holding in Italy.
http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Group/ (http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Group/)

This is Guiseppe Marra (right) on occasion of a Berlusconi re-election press conference media event at GMC headquarter.
(http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/Assets/Imgs/Personaggi/M/marra_berlusconi--200x150.jpg)
http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=1.0.2013916195 (http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=1.0.2013916195)

 suspicious// smiley_spider
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: scorpionchik on December 27, 2011, 11:36:13 AM
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I wont say much more about this subject, as I don't have any other information or knowledge about it other than having to google it..!!

But a picture can speak a thousand words........God bless. 


That's what I thought about too as soon as I saw the picture of Ark. But what is the meaning of it in comparison to coffin: color, size, empty, fake, safety, history, myth....?
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: SeeingClues on December 27, 2011, 11:44:15 AM
Hmm...while we're on the subject of golden objects perhaps we should check out michaeljackson.com and the golden MJ profile icon they posted. :)

Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Sarahli on December 27, 2011, 12:42:17 PM
I am studying the Ark. But still I don't know if I can be deceived or not, lol. I agree with the 2 cherubims not being on the Mercy Seat but at the end of each side. Maybe another point: it seems like the 2 cherubims "make one" with the Mercy Seat in the way they are built?

"And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof."

All DEtAiLS count, right?  geek/

Now how do we know what a cherubim really looks like apart from the wings? Maybe it's not so important.

Does what's inside of the Ark count? I mean can it help us make the difference as well?

"Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;"
Hebrews 9:4

Also TS said that the number 7 is one of the keys to unlock the mystery of the Ark. ???
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 27, 2011, 01:24:57 PM
I don't know too much about the ark of the covenant, however, it appears to be confusing because we are interpreting what it is in many ways.  So far I have the following:

1.  The ark of the new covenant is Jesus or the Messiah
2.  The ark of the new covenant is represented by Mary.  God's promise to Mary that Jesus will come and be heard.
3.  The ark is supposed to look like what is described in the bible, and it has the 10 commandments in stone, mannah, and Aaron's rod.
4.  The ark of the covenant is a technology.  Maybe electric ?
5.  The ark of the covenant has elements in the.  Ustable elements from the Light and Heavy Platinum groups.  Who ever has the ark must know the secrets about how to keep the elements stable.  They bring health and prosperity.  The illuminati keeps moving it west.  They eventually will bring it to Jerusalem.
6.  The arc is in Ethiopia but will be moved to another location due to a leaky roof.  They announced that Ethiopia had the ark but it was not revealed.
7.  Meeting in June 2009 took place with religious leaders around the world.  In Italy, with the pope and others ?????????

The question is "Is the ancient "physical ark" still important ?   Does it still exist ?  Was it destroyed ?  Will people say they have it to deceive others ?  Is it fake ?   Is it a technology with hidden information and hidden secrets ?

Then there is the "New ark of the covenant".  What exactly is it ?  There are various view points.  Does it represent Jesus, the second coming, a contract with Mary or a throne ?  A throne for the ruler of the new Jerusalem ?   

Maybe the old ark and the new ark of the covenant are connected.  The new ark of the covenant is a contract with Jesus and Mary ?  This is so that Jesus will be heard.    Will the old ark  be used by Jesus when he returns as a throne ?  Or maybe a symbol of this throne ?   His throne to be used to unite the twelve tribes and form the new Jerusalem and unite people ?     Only the real "Jesus" or the real Messiah will be able to use the "real ark".  Others may try to fake it.   Or maybe we don't need the old ark at all ?????

Remember alll the photos of a "Throne" that Michael has.  He had shone many thrones and remember the throne shown for the Michael Forever Concert in October 2011.   And even on the Larry King interview with Johnny Depp there was a "throne" in the background !!!!!   Think "BACK" !!!!!!!   

Does anyone think I'm on the right track here ?

I really don't know.  I'm just trying to put this all together.     
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: AllThatIs...LOVE on December 27, 2011, 01:56:48 PM
I think you're on the right track, don'twalkaway. And, I believe it gets deeper the farther we are willing/able to go/become.

The Ark represents the highest level of spiritual attainment. Perhaps we are being reminded of how highly evolved Michael is and that he is ready and chosen "for a time such as this."   (It is useful to note that Elvis "Aron" has spent many, many years in an Ashram...) In Hebrew, the word Ark and the word Aron are the same thing.  "Make thou in me, God, a pure heart, and grant me thy spirit of holiness."

I believe that Michael is an initiated priest in the mysteries.  I think this of Elvis too. Michael knows the secrets of the Ark.

For a mystic interpretation on the Ark of the Covenant, see the Gnostic Teachings:

http://gnosticteachings.org/the-teachings-of-gnosis/lectures-by-gnostic-instructors/724-the-ark-of-the-covenant.html

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"These items are all symbolic. This becomes more interesting when we understand that the Aron is described as “Aron kodesh,” which means holy vessel or holy sanctuary. Kodesh or Kadosh means holy or sacred.
 
The word Ark comes from Aron Kodosh. That is, when the Aron is made pure, it becomes kadosh, holy.  Thus to make the Ar-k, we have to make our Aron holy, pure.
 
What this tells us is that we ourselves are the Ark.  You and me.  We are the vessel. God wants to fill us, but only if our sanctuary is made pure.  There is abundant information about this in the Bible.  In Corinthians, Paul states:
 

Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? - 1 Corinthians 3:16

"This is important, because in the creation of the Aron, God states quite explicitly that when the the Aron is constructed, God will dwell there and speak to “his children” through Moshe. That is, our inner God will speak to us through our inner Moshe (Tiphereth), which is related with the heart. The way God does that is through Shekinah [שכינה], the very essence of God, the energy, the force, the Spirit.
 
When the Aron is constructed in the right way, when our temple has been made pure, the Shekinah dwells there. This is why in the ancient traditions it states that inside of the Ark were kept not only the body of the law, which are the tablets of the written law (the second law or in other words “Deuteronomy” or the ten commandments), but also is the soul of the law and the spirit of the law. "


The Ark/Aron was made from the Acacia Tree/Tree of Life/"Giving Tree"

http://205.243.100.155/photos/Acacia1.jpg  http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/140/c/6/Neverland_Giving_Tree_by_TellMeWhereItHurts.jpg

It is thought in Gnostic teachings that there were actually 4 cherubs (2 on each side joined together.)

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Most people think that the Ark has two golden angels on the top. But actually there are four: two on each end. This is related with the Tetragrammaton, the Holy Name of God, and many other levels of significance.
 
What is specifically important here is that the Aron cover goes on top of the Aron, and inside is placed the testimony; then God says:
 

I will arrange My meetings with you there, and I will speak with you from atop the ark cover from between the two cherubim that are upon the Ark of the Testimony, all that I will command you unto the children of Israel. - Exodus 25:22
 
So if we want to receive knowledge from God, guidance from God, we need to understand how this passage relates to us.
 
It is easy to get intellectually confused by these symbols; you have to listen to the intuitive, symbolic meaning. What this is telling us is something very sacred, which is hidden from those who have not been initiated in the ancient traditional mysteries. The initiated priests knew the true meaning. The Talmud explains explicitly what these cherubim symbolize”
 

Rabbi Katina said, 'When the Israelites would ascend [to the Holy Temple] on the festival, [the priest/kohen] would roll up the curtain for them, and display for them the cherubim, who were joined together [in an embrace].' The priest/kohen would then tell them, 'Behold the beloved feelings for you on the part of the Omnipresent are like the beloved feelings of a male for a female'."
 
Rabba bar Rav Shila explains that "[The cherubim appeared in the engravings] as a man joined in an embrace with his female companion." - Babylonian Talmud, Yoma 54a

"We no longer intuit the real meaning of our religions because we have become spiritually blind.  This is reflected in how we are as people; many of us do not even believe in the soul or the spirit; we demand physical proof. If we do not see something with our physical senses, we do not believe in it. Some of us may believe in the soul or the spirit, but do not know the difference between them. In fact, we have many contradictory ideas about the soul and spirit because we have never seen them.  The reason is quite simple: it is because our own Aron is in darkness; the Shekinah does not dwell there.  If the Shekinah dwelled within our own Aron, we would see it, we would know it. We would have gnosis: conscious knowledge. We would see and know and be able to intuitively understand the entirety of this.
 
We can reach that if we follow the instructions that God provides."
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 27, 2011, 02:40:43 PM
Thank you so much AllThatIs....Love.

This is becoming clearer to me.  I see the picture you sent with Michael with the red shirt under the blue one.  Standing be a "tree".   I saw on the post you made before that Jesus wore red under blue and Mary wore blue with red over it.  Also, didn't Michael wear a blue shirt over a red one for a lot of the movie "This Is It".  I think so.  I have that movie so I can watch it again.

So, You think Michael knows the secrets of the ark ?   The ark is us, our bodies when we are pure.  When we are able to receive the spirit ?  Is this like the holy spirit ?  Is this like being ready to ascend ?  I've been trying to learn about ascension, and the soul, spirit and the light body, going up to the fourth and fifth dimensions and higher.  Lightworkers, and angels, and E.T's and ascended masters all helping.    Do you think he knows how to ascend or did ascend ?   There was a priest or pastor talking about this a few years ago, His name was something like Bobby Emmit ?  I can't remember. 

Thanks for the links about the Gnostics.  I will read it.

Love

Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Sarahli on December 27, 2011, 03:20:39 PM
I also thought about 4 cherubims because of how it's worded but I am really not sure about that.

But what I don't understand is that the Ark seems to always be covered, even when carried across the land it was covered with a veil. And there is this event:

 1 Samuel 6-19 "And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter."

I presume that when they wanted to see the Ark they removed a veil? Because if the Ark was in free view then it would be difficult for them to not gaze at it. So not everybody can actually see the Ark without divine authorization or else there are bad consequences. Right?  Will it be the case today? Because IF what I’m saying is true then the true Ark must be kept behind a veil and we can’t all actually see it. So if there is an unveiling of the Ark we should not be able to really see it. And I presume that the key information about this matter will be given to someone chosen by God who will perfectly know what to do. ..... Well I don’t know that's my theory for today.  ;D
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: scorpionchik on December 27, 2011, 03:37:37 PM
Although there are good thoughts about Ark vs MJ, but I believe we expect to have Ark connection with MICHAEL'S RETURN and wether he is alive of course. So, the Ark of Covenant should reflect the meaning about the future events, not only past.
We don't need metaphorical images of Ark or anything else, we need facts and acts.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: mjj4ever777 on December 27, 2011, 03:39:17 PM
 Very interesting thread! I have been reading about the Arc of Covenant and I found this article which gives yet another view of what the Arc "could" represent, so I just wanted to share it with you. There is so much "mystery" surrounding this subject and like everything else, no matter how much "research" we do, it is impossible for us to find the "Truth", but I must say, that this subject fascinates me! Thank you to all of you for your great posts!
Sending you all LOVE!

 

 

 

by Noel Huntley, Ph.D.

March 2003

from BeyondDuality Website

Spanish version
 

If anything was ever enshrouded in confusion and mystery, the Arc of the Covenant takes precedence.

 

The Arc has played an indispensable role in man's salvation on this planet which continues to this day. The information contained in this article is a simplified rendition of the Guardian Alliance material, transmitted (not channeled) by Ashayana Deane.

Firstly, we may encounter two spellings: 'arc' and 'ark' - though 'ark' is well associated with Noah's Ark. Apparently Noah did not escape the Great Flood by means of a boat - Noah's Ark - but through the Arc of the Covenant within the Great Pyramid.

 

There was in fact an incidence of a previous flood in which a boat was built: thus clearly the Noah's Ark story is a partial fabrication to hide the true meaning of the Arc - yet the story was still based on truths so that it would intuitively feel correct to people being deceived. It is interesting to note that independently, Egyptologists Howard Middleton-Jones and James Michael Wilkie in their first book on the Great Pyramid, 'Giza-Genesis: The Best Kept Secrets', show how the biblical explanation of the Noah's Ark construction is a description of the passageway into the Great Pyramid where they say the Covenant is stored.

 

Furthermore, the well-known chest containing the tools also has been erroneously named the Arc (or Ark) of the Covenant. These tools were used to open the portal bridge of the Arc, of which this bridge portal was only one of its functions.

Although 'Arc' refers to an extremely advanced technology, fundamentally it means the same as 'arc' in, for example, arc welding - two terminals at different potential/voltage giving rise to a spark across the gap - an electrical passageway (even so, the original word was 'Arch'). Thus the Arc of the Covenant is a portal, bridging dimensional frequency bands and locations, somewhat similar to what one might imagine is achieved by the so-called 'wormholes' of physics and science fiction. This is one of the Arc's functions.

Originally the Arc of the Covenant was called the Arch of the Covenant of Palaidor.

 

Several advanced races of extraterrestrials collectively known as the Palaidorians made an agreement to aid planet Earth and its race of humans by providing an adoptive soul matrix secured within the Arc after the fall of man caused fragmentation of consciousness from its collective state (this is a concept virtually beyond human imagination and won't be pursued here).

 

This agreement was known as the Covenant of Palaidor.

The technology of the Arc of the Covenant was installed into our planetary system and time matrix to counter, repair and rehabilitate imbalances and distortions - including in the Divine blueprint - created by negative interference.

 

One of the problems of using such powerful artificial systems (though perfectly tuned to the natural universe) is the possibility of such a technology falling into the hands of negative, unenlightened ETs. Thus security procedures are designed into the system such as a 5th-dimensional seal which must be released by matching the frequency, or higher, to open the Arc portal bridge.

Now the Great Pyramid was built over the Arc's entrance to fortify and secure its location. (The Great Pyramid was apparently constructed about 46,000 BC, then rebuilt around 28,000 BC, 10,500 BC, and 9,500 BC after ET hostilities caused damage or destruction.) We might add that this location is also that of Earth's main vortex centre (corresponding to the heart chakra in humans).

 

This vortex merged the third and fourth dimensional frequencies and when active within the harmonic resonating chamber of the Pyramid created an interdimensional alignment with a similar system in Sirius, enabling instantaneous transit of spacecrafts from the more advanced Sirian Council of the Anunnaki to Earth to keep the resistance Anunnaki, visiting Earth, in order.

Humans have also been allowed to believe the great ankhs were the Arc of the Covenant. The larger of these tools were referred to as machines.

 

They are secure and hidden within the Sphinx - beyond the Inner Earth portal which the Sphinx was built over around the time of the Great Pyramid. Inner Earth does not mean the centre of our Earth. The Sphinx was apparently built by the Sirian Council as a tribute to the Leonine race who were instrumental in laying the foundations of the Anunnaki and Sirian culture. The head was that of an Anunnaki as a reminder of their heritage.

The ankhs were charged using the Arc and were capable of many feats:

        opening the Arc portals

        Inner Earth portals

        healing

        weather modifications

        and the larger ones, gravity reversal

        they could produce high frequency energy to be synthesized in specific ways and could manipulate morphogenetic fields of objects

Thus the great pyramids and the Sphinx were built using the large ankhs.

Further functions of the Arc itself, in addition to the Arc portal bridge, are,

        resetting the Divine Blueprint

        and creating the so-called 'Golden Fleece'

If, say, the planet was invaded by ETs and they imposed in any way their consciousness distortions and DNA mutations on the civilization and planet, or were destroying the sacred geometry by interfering with portals, the Arc, stargates, etc., the Arc, normally on autopilot, would act like an antivirus program in a computer that has just picked up a virus.

 

This Arc override system with numerous levels of operation can create a 'Red Pulse' which will vaporize - reduce to basic consciousness particles - anything not protected. Thus it also creates the 'Golden Fleece' which raises the frequency spectrum of the object, planetary system, or even time matrix, holding it encapsulated in a transharmonic hyperdimensional field which preserves the integrity until restored to its normal locality.

 

It apparently can reset conditions so that, say, an existing separated region such as the Phantom Matrix will be permanently isolated to prevent any further interference from misguided ET races.

The Phantom Matrix is a fallen region of lower-dimensional spectrum originally from our time matrix. It became a slowly degenerating black-hole reality and contains a fallen parallel Earth that the Bible refers to as the bottomless pit, Hades or Hell.

 

Nevertheless if one fell into this, say, via the Falcon or Phoenix wormholes of the Bermuda Triangle, on the basis of frequency affiliation one wouldn't necessarily encounter sheer misery and torment.

 

There would be upper portions of this reality which initially might be indistinguishable from Earth as it is today, though one would soon realize the control and suppression was greater and from an ET government.

 

Also that it was an astral frequency dimension with no death of the body, except that one would slowly die in an imperceptibly imploding black-hole system (capable of lasting some hundreds of millions of years without external and internal sustenance).

 

Hence the contradictory term 'the living dead'.

To clarify further the concept of resetting the Divine Blueprint, aspects or localities of the universe structure can be redesigned by sufficiently advanced beings.

 

This may, however, take either of two forms:

        harmonic adjustments, that is, technologies in phase with the Divine Blueprint and Divine plan, and directed under the auspices of the Law of One (or God), or

        artificial structures directed by the Dark avatar collectives not in accord with the Divine Blueprint and designed to match their consciousness and DNA distortions, and to spread this 'virulent' pattern throughout the time matrix and other time matrices.

After the final step in the destruction and sinking of Atlantis, 9500 BC, caused by the resistance ETs, the Sirian Council removed the ankhs and closed the portals.

 

However, before prohibiting complete use of the ankhs two small tools were retained and charged from the Arc. They were placed in a gold chest and became known as the rod (short and cylindrical) and the staff (about 3 feet long); to be used for portal access.

 

They also became known as the Arc of the Covenant.

 

Eventually even these tools were discharged and confiscated from human use. This was the beginning of the dark ages for humans who over time were given less information, less truth, and more deception as to their history of advanced technologies.

As implied, the Arc of the Covenant portal bridge was used on appropriate occasions for evacuation purposes, usually to Inner Earth, such as was the case with Noah, escaping from the Great Flood. The dimensional passageway was also used for ascension purposes during the stellar activation cycles every 26,556 years and those who qualified frequency-wise could ascend to an upper parallel Earth called Tara, a planet and civilization, structured from dimensions 4, 5, and 6.

 

Apparently Pharaoh Akhenaton once made an error when using the ankhs to open the Arc portal bridge. He apparently opened portal frequencies giving access to the Phantom Earth.

As a final comment, all creations have a fundamental natural blueprint (the Divine Blueprint). Basically it is the same for anything from a thought to a human body, DNA, planet, time matrix, etc. This knowledge has been passed down to us from ancient history as the familiar Kabala, or tree of life.

 

However, it is usually presented with its fallen-ET distortions, such as 10 or 11 spheres (instead of 12) corresponding to the imprint of the Drakonians and their main competitor and enemy, the Anunnaki, respectively. These misguided ETs intend to reconfigure our blueprint to correspond to theirs for conquest of territories, which means energy to them.

 

The Arc of the Covenant is capable of protecting man or territories above the frequency level of these ETs and resetting the Divine Blueprint.

 http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/huntley/esp_huntley_4.htm


 

 
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 27, 2011, 03:44:48 PM
Sarahli.

Did you see the interpretation from Allthatis...Love ?  The idea is that the ark is a container or vessel.  The vessel is really our bodies.  We have to make our bodies pure and get rid of bad karma.  It has to do with your spirit, or soul and your consciousness and level of spirituality.  It is nothing you can see with your eyes.

Maybe it's knowing when you are ready to achieve a higher level of spirituality and go to a higher dimension/vibration ?  The idea is that we are really a light body first, and then a physical body.  Not the other way around.  Everything is energy,or light, vibration.  Matter is just light/photon particles going at a slower speed.     

Love

     



 
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 27, 2011, 04:25:48 PM
WoW, MJJforever777. 

This is getting more interesting all the time !!!!!  This is saying that the Ark is alien technology !  Under the Pyramids !!!! Can be controlled by Ankh's.  Those are the tools needed to open portals !!!!  Set up to protect earth.  It had to be shut down because it was being used by the wrong E.T's.  The evil ones who wanted territory ?     This can be reset in order to protect earth if the ark is found with the right tools ?  The small ankhs which can be charged to open it or reset it.  You need the right frequency.  Wow.   

So they received this information from someone who could channel.  We have to be careful with channelers.  I've seen a few videos where people channel the Sirians.   I don't know what is real and what is not, with all the channelers.  I do think that there could be involvement with E.T's though.  More and more people are coming out with more and more information and videos.  Something is definitely up !!!!!!!

Love 
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 27, 2011, 04:35:20 PM
MJJforever777. 

If you think "BACK",  Michael has had egyptian symbols and ankh symbols in the movie This is It, and in other photos and on clothing etc.  He's also had pyramids.   Maybe the Ankh was a clue ?????   Maybe it's one of the 3 keys ?    I didn't know that the Ankh had that much power for the egyptian pharoahs. 






Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: MJonmind on December 27, 2011, 04:43:44 PM

In the sex act, it is like an 'arc' (Ark) of electricity that happens.  It is a symbol given to mankind to illustrate the union between the divine and mankind. "IT" generates the creation of ALL things.  The act.  I believe/agree the original Ark of the Covenant had technology with real zap/Bam that potentially could occur, and may have on occasion.  Song of Solomon is poetic writing of God’s marital love for Israel his wife. In the New Testament the ‘church’ is the bride of the Christ.  On stage Michael is having sex with the audience—make no mistake.  It is a divine picture/gesture. Michael said he was married to his fans.
I am completely serious here!  There was something way beyond grabbing his crotch here--I've felt this way since the beginning. He explained he was interpreting the music, which he felt he was channelling from God.  No one else should even try to imitate MJ--it's not the same! :lol:


(http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/8400000/-Gold-Pants-Dahoo-michael-jackson-8444812-600-400.jpg)



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Psalm 82
A psalm of Asaph.
1 God presides in the great assembly;
    he renders judgment among the “gods”:

2 “How long will you[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=psalm%2082&version=NIV#fen-NIV-15236a)] defend the unjust
    and show partiality to the wicked?
[b (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=psalm%2082&version=NIV#fen-NIV-15236b)]
 
3 Defend the weak and the fatherless;
    uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed.
 
4 Rescue the weak and the needy;
    deliver them from the hand of the wicked.

5 “The ‘gods’ know nothing, they understand nothing.
    They walk about in darkness;
    all the foundations of the earth are shaken.

6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”;
    you are all sons of the Most High.’
 
7 But you will die like mere mortals;
    you will fall like every other ruler.”

8 Rise up, O God, judge the earth,
    for all the nations are your inheritance.

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John 10:33-36 (NIV) 33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%2010:33-36&version=NIV#fen-NIV-26516a)]? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?
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Romans 8:17 (NIV)
17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.
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Revelation 20:6 (NIV)
6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
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Ephesians 2:6 (NIV)
6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,
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1 Corinthians 15:20 (NIV)
20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.


Front posted on Dec. 26 a greeting of Happy Kwanzaa Day, which is the Afro-American celebration of First Fruits.

http://www.afrocentricnews.com/html/kwanza.htm (http://www.afrocentricnews.com/html/kwanza.htm)


All these things are connected in a profound way.  Everything is connected.  Even sex!
The Ark of the Covenant is related to sex!  IMHO   :lol: afraid/ /woohoo/   (God, Mary, Jesus, Michael, all of us!)
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: MJonmind on December 27, 2011, 04:56:10 PM
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On 26 June 2009, the Italian press claimed that Abune Paulos along with a claimed son of Prince Makonnen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Makonnen) and Duke Amedeo D'Aosta (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amedeo_D%27Aosta&action=edit&redlink=1), would come forward at the Hotel Aldrovandi (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hotel_Aldrovandi&action=edit&redlink=1) in Rome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome) with the announcement that the true Ark of the covenant, which has supposedly been kept in secret at St. Mary's of Zion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Our_Lady_Mary_of_Zion) in Ethiopia, would be unveiled to the public to view for the first time in history in a museum being built in Axum. The announcement was never made; instead the Patriarch immediately denied that any such event had ever been planned. The person that the Italian press had identified as the Ethiopian Prince was subsequently revealed as not being a recognized member of the former Imperial family, and the involvement of the Duke of Aosta in the affair was also called into question.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abune_Paulos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abune_Paulos)


The patriarch of Ethiopian Church, Abune Paulos was received by pope Benedict XVI for an audience on June 18, 2009.
http://freeforumzone.leonardo.it/lofi/Discorsi-omelie-udienze-angelus-e-altri-documenti/D8280782-11.html (http://freeforumzone.leonardo.it/lofi/Discorsi-omelie-udienze-angelus-e-altri-documenti/D8280782-11.html)

He participated as well at the "G8 summit of religious leaders" in Rome, that lasted from June 15 - 17, 2009.
http://www.santegidio.org/index.php?pageID=64&id=6573&idLng=1069 (http://www.santegidio.org/index.php?pageID=64&id=6573&idLng=1069)
http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/06/18/world-religious-leaders-hold-their-own-g8-summit/ (http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/06/18/world-religious-leaders-hold-their-own-g8-summit/)

The Italian news agency ADNKRONOS distributing the unveiling rumours in 2009 does serve the Arab / English / Italian news markets with news mainly from the Arab world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnkronos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnkronos)
http://www.adnkronos.com/IGN/News/ (http://www.adnkronos.com/IGN/News/)

ADNKRONOS belongs to Guiseppe Marra Communications, a multimedia holding in Italy.
http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Group/ (http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Group/)

This is Guiseppe Marra (right) on occasion of a Berlusconi re-election press conference media event at GMC headquarter.
(http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/Assets/Imgs/Personaggi/M/marra_berlusconi--200x150.jpg)
http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=1.0.2013916195 (http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=1.0.2013916195)

 suspicious// smiley_spider


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Andrea
George W Bush also doesn’t want the Ark to set sail and wants it destroyed and launches a submarine to destroy it with a torpedo that can only be unlocked with a special golden key.  So we have the Pope, George W (Bush) and Agent MJ on the same team.   
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=21729.75 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=21729.75)


Oh, the web.... /pull hair/
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: MJonmind on December 27, 2011, 05:03:38 PM
The original temple built by Solomon was about a man and about sex and pro-creation.  God knew, possibly some leading Israelites knew, few today realize.


http://www.templesecrets.info/sexsymb.html (http://www.templesecrets.info/sexsymb.html)




(http://www.templesecrets.info/sexsymb/sexsym8.gif)




The porch was his penis, and it was huge, erect, and symbolized divine pro-creation.


Most likely was the Ark of the Covenant sexual in nature (a certain level).


AllThatIs...Love, this site explains about Mary's involvement too. :)

Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on December 27, 2011, 05:49:02 PM
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The porch was his penis, and it was huge, erect, and symbolized divine pro-creation.

Most likely was the Ark of the Covenant sexual in nature (a certain level).


wow, i could not disagree more. will leave it at that.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on December 27, 2011, 05:58:33 PM
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I don't know too much about the ark of the covenant, however, it appears to be confusing because we are interpreting what it is in many ways.  So far I have the following:

1.  The ark of the new covenant is Jesus or the Messiah
2.  The ark of the new covenant is represented by Mary.  God's promise to Mary that Jesus will come and be heard.
3.  The ark is supposed to look like what is described in the bible, and it has the 10 commandments in stone, mannah, and Aaron's rod.
4.  The ark of the covenant is a technology.  Maybe electric ?
5.  The ark of the covenant has elements in the.  Ustable elements from the Light and Heavy Platinum groups.  Who ever has the ark must know the secrets about how to keep the elements stable.  They bring health and prosperity.  The illuminati keeps moving it west.  They eventually will bring it to Jerusalem.
6.  The arc is in Ethiopia but will be moved to another location due to a leaky roof.  They announced that Ethiopia had the ark but it was not revealed.
7.  Meeting in June 2009 took place with religious leaders around the world.  In Italy, with the pope and others ?????????
 

what you need to understand is that many many people are posting on this forum about the ark and many of us have conflicting beliefs. what you have listed above is various thoughts that people have posted - some of these people who dont agree with each other and have differing opinions. so if you are confused, that is quote normal.

the only statement i agree with on your list is: 3.  The ark is supposed to look like what is described in the bible, and it has the 10 commandments in stone, mannah, and Aaron's rod.

but again, thats just my opinion.

whilst i appreciate that there are many spiritual minded people on this forum who are posting information FROM THEIR RELIGIOUS ANGLE (just as i am) my best advice to you is if you are trying to learn about the ark, please dont try and learn it just from this forum, you will get confused. also try to look at various information from different angles. much of what is being posted here is from a born again christain or catholic angle. just putting it out there that these are NOT THE ONLY interpretations. there are others.

i would get yourself a bible and a few good books from various sources and research and study. i know its easier said than done. it is difficult. but i did it. i researched many religions and what they taught esp regarding such 'doctrines' and after analysing several beliefs / theories / interpretations, found one that i am not only comfortable with, but satisfied with as it answers my questions and is also LOGICAL. (again for *ME*, personally, IMO)


all the best
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on December 27, 2011, 06:17:46 PM
@ MARY K  - I agree mary with what you said - we are lost. I am personally not lost in what i believe but this thread is lost.


i am not 'paying out' on anyone for posting their view, but considering there are so many various interpretations being posted, (some of which i personally (again JMO) feel are starting to get ludicrous, dellusional and even bordering on blasphemous) we do need some more direction of where this is heading from TS - instead of just pictures...


so TS (whoever you are) - PLEASE can you post some information your thoughts and ideas on why you have made reference to the ark and what you want us to take from it.

we obviously are a school of people of various religions or none at all, ethnic backgrounds, ages, educational standards etc. the ark and its involvement in MJDH is being interpreted from all these various angles factoring in all these different demographics in their interpretation.

PLEASE GIVE US SOME WORDS....

thank you and
  respect/
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Adi on December 27, 2011, 06:41:32 PM
Right now I am very confused about this Ark of the Covenant direction the past week.

I have been reading all the posts in the 2 threads (TIAI 21 Dec and TIAI 26 Dec) and nothing is clear to me.

In fact it's the most confused/unsure/not understanding that I have ever been from the all of TS re-directions the past 2 years and I am not sure "how"we are meant to be studying the true Ark when it seems that is what people have been trying to do and nothing is clear and seems to be going in circles.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: hesouttamylife on December 27, 2011, 06:52:44 PM
Wow this discussion is taking on its own personality:shock:  How does the huge penis fit in with the ark OMG! I am totally lost.  I had better get to reading my Bible.  I completely missed the boat.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Starchild on December 27, 2011, 07:07:55 PM
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Wow this discussion is taking on its own personality:shock:  How does the huge penis fit in with the ark OMG! I am totally lost.  I had better get to reading my Bible.  I completely missed the boat.

 :lol: lolol/ HA HA.  We're trying. . . .
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 27, 2011, 07:18:16 PM
Maybe the arc has to do with "the tree of life".  Sacred geometrical shapes.  This is the pattern that everything is made from.  Everything on earth is organized in this way, from light particles, to molecules, to plants,animals, DNA, and EVERY THING.  This is hidden knowledge they don't want us to know.  Our bodies are organized this way including our spirit,soul or light body.  Finding your ark can also be finding your spirit or your soul. 

I'm just thinking out loud because maybe we will eventually figure something out.

Love
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: paula-c on December 27, 2011, 08:20:04 PM
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On 26 June 2009, the Italian press claimed that Abune Paulos along with a claimed son of Prince Makonnen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Makonnen) and Duke Amedeo D'Aosta (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amedeo_D%27Aosta&action=edit&redlink=1), would come forward at the Hotel Aldrovandi (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hotel_Aldrovandi&action=edit&redlink=1) in Rome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome) with the announcement that the true Ark of the covenant, which has supposedly been kept in secret at St. Mary's of Zion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Our_Lady_Mary_of_Zion) in Ethiopia, would be unveiled to the public to view for the first time in history in a museum being built in Axum. The announcement was never made; instead the Patriarch immediately denied that any such event had ever been planned. The person that the Italian press had identified as the Ethiopian Prince was subsequently revealed as not being a recognized member of the former Imperial family, and the involvement of the Duke of Aosta in the affair was also called into question.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abune_Paulos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abune_Paulos)


The patriarch of Ethiopian Church, Abune Paulos was received by pope Benedict XVI for an audience on June 18, 2009.
http://freeforumzone.leonardo.it/lofi/Discorsi-omelie-udienze-angelus-e-altri-documenti/D8280782-11.html (http://freeforumzone.leonardo.it/lofi/Discorsi-omelie-udienze-angelus-e-altri-documenti/D8280782-11.html)

He participated as well at the "G8 summit of religious leaders" in Rome, that lasted from June 15 - 17, 2009.
http://www.santegidio.org/index.php?pageID=64&id=6573&idLng=1069 (http://www.santegidio.org/index.php?pageID=64&id=6573&idLng=1069)
http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/06/18/world-religious-leaders-hold-their-own-g8-summit/ (http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/06/18/world-religious-leaders-hold-their-own-g8-summit/)

The Italian news agency ADNKRONOS distributing the unveiling rumours in 2009 does serve the Arab / English / Italian news markets with news mainly from the Arab world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnkronos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnkronos)
http://www.adnkronos.com/IGN/News/ (http://www.adnkronos.com/IGN/News/)

ADNKRONOS belongs to Guiseppe Marra Communications, a multimedia holding in Italy.
http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Group/ (http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Group/)

This is Guiseppe Marra (right) on occasion of a Berlusconi re-election press conference media event at GMC headquarter.
(http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/Assets/Imgs/Personaggi/M/marra_berlusconi--200x150.jpg)
http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=1.0.2013916195 (http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=1.0.2013916195)

 suspicious// smiley_spider


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Andrea
George W Bush also doesn’t want the Ark to set sail and wants it destroyed and launches a submarine to destroy it with a torpedo that can only be unlocked with a special golden key.  So we have the Pope, George W (Bush) and Agent MJ on the same team.   
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=21729.75 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=21729.75)


Oh, the web.... /pull hair/

in internet there are good and bad information, as well as history books that lie, there is... everything is in us OK the first thing we are taught as truth without investigating whether true or false  ;)

But if these dudes  who present the Ark,... aaaayyyy WTF??



















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    Few if any objects in the history of mankind have been regarded with more sacredness and mystery, than the Ark of the Covenant.  And surely if there is any object on planet earth that God can and will control at the end of time, it is the Ark of the Covenant.  But the devil knows this, so he will have one or more counterfeit arks to confuse people.  Then if we want to be on the right side of the final battle between good and evil: we must STUDY the true Ark, and know it so well that none of the counterfeits will lead us astray {http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=%22ark+of+the+covenant%22&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g4g-m1}.



the true Ark of the Covenant, is not easy
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: mjj4ever777 on December 27, 2011, 08:31:17 PM
I just came across these 2 video clips that talk about the Ark from another perspective, and found them interesting...have a look.  Wow, so much information and so many different perspectives about what the ark is, where the ark is, it's powers, etc. ...fascinating stuff!

We all have to understand and RESPECT the fact that we ALL have our own opinions and Beliefs, and we should be able to make posts without worrying that someone may not agree with what we have posted. As long as we are being respectful, we shouldn't make a "judgment" call on other people's "perspectives", after all, who's to say, who is "right" and who is "wrong"? Remember the LOVE!

The information I am posting doesn't mean I "Believe", what I am posting, I am just sharing the info I have found while researching ALL aspects, of the Ark.
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@ Don'twalkaway
With all of the symbolism that Michael has used, pertaining to Egypt, the ankha, Space, Light, being One, LOVE, God, etc the more I Believe that Michael  is pointing us in the direction of "Ascension"  and  ET's and I think that  the Ark of Covenant, is the "Key" to unlocking a portal to another dimension. I really think that this is all pointing to December 21 2012, where there will be an "Awakening" on a Global scale, and  the "mysteries" of the "Universe", ( so to speak) will finally be revealed to all. I also Believe that this is all "God's" plan, and that Michael is a BIG part of this "Revealing" of the TRUTH of our HIStory!
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Andrea on December 27, 2011, 08:41:02 PM
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Maybe the arc has to do with "the tree of life".  Sacred geometrical shapes.  This is the pattern that everything is made from.  Everything on earth is organized in this way, from light particles, to molecules, to plants,animals, DNA, and EVERY THING.  This is hidden knowledge they don't want us to know.  Our bodies are organized this way including our spirit,soul or light body.  Finding your ark can also be finding your spirit or your soul. 

I'm just thinking out loud because maybe we will eventually figure something out.

Love

I sort of think the same way.  I’m not really sure what to think of all of this about the ark but I do think it’s important, it’s a warning and that something big is going to happen.

If Michael knew about the announcement of the ark’s location on June 26 2009, and this date was something “they” had planned for quite a while (based on their ultimate big-picture plan) and Michael caught wind of it, faking his death the day before would divert any attention the ark story might have received, so the announcement was kiboshed then saved for a later date.  Perhaps there was divine intervention for that to happen, making June 25th the ideal date and TIME for the hoax to kick off, with Michael knowing and planning for it for 25 years.

I had never known exactly what the flower of life was before seeing a youtube video on the (I think) water thread.  Everything comes from the flower of life, including other sacred shapes and patterns that hold all the keys to everything in the universe.  This has been something they haven’t been teaching in schools and really, considering it encompasses EVERYTHING, we should be aware of this.  But we’re not (typically).  Why has this been kept a secret, going back thousands of years?  Seems rather evil, rather devilish, doesn’t it?  Like we are not supposed to know that our universe was created in an intelligent design, by an intelligent being, God. 

So maybe the ark has to do with that, a deeper understanding and sacred knowledge.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: anewfan on December 27, 2011, 09:00:11 PM
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Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 27, 2011, 09:27:27 PM
Yes Andrea and MJJforever777. 

The ark must have some very very big information and secrets.  Perhaps it is like you said MJJforever777, it is the key to unlocking another dimension.  It does seem like it has to do with achieving ascension and finding your soul.  And it does seem like E.T's are involved in some way. 

I saw on a video that it had the tree of life in it.  They were talking about elements from the platinum groups on the periodic table.  These elements are needed for health but they are unstable in the ark.  You had to know the secret on how to stabilize the elements.  Whatever civilization had the ark had health and prosperity.  One person who knew how to use this was Methusala from the bible, and that is why he lived for 950 or some odd years.  You can also get these minerals from red, and orange vegetables to keep you healthy.

I really don't know.  That's something else I heard. 

Peace 


Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on December 27, 2011, 09:27:41 PM
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Wow this discussion is taking on its own personality:shock:  How does the huge penis fit in with the ark OMG! I am totally lost.  I had better get to reading my Bible.  I completely missed the boat.

you are shocked and dont understand and missed that, because the ark has nothing to do with a penis. its one persons opinion / interpretation. you can read the bible all you like. i promise you will NEVER find that connection.


please people, dont believe everything you read and hear even on the forum. do your own research before adopting one persons interpretation (that may be incorrect) as your own belief. i dont want to discredit anyone, its not my intention, thats why i havent named names. but for those that dont understand the ark and are learning about it here, you need to understand that all the people that 'do know about the ark' (myself included) all dont agree with each other and have different understandings and interpretations. when someone posts, the ark is jesus, the ark is literal, the ark is figurative, the ark is a penis, the ark is mary, the ark involves aliens, the ark is electric and magnetic, etc etc - you need to understand that its JUST THAT INDIVIDUALS understanding, which may be wrong. its not a known understanding. some of the bibles information is open to interpretation. what YOU DO NEED TO KNOW is that all of the possible theories that are being posted ARE NOT IN THE BIBLE. meaning that they are the interpretation of man / individuals WITH NO EVIDENCE to support such theories.



EDIT
: to non religious people and others who dont know abt the ark: this level of TIAI isnt like discecting the cover of a michael album, or understanding lyrics, or analysing evidence in the courtcase or looking for clues at the memorial / funeral, etc. this is religion. there are many opinions here. just because they are posted by a believer on MJDHI forum, doesnt mean they are correct (demographics need to be factored in) and doesnt mean that other religious people / ark believers agree with what is being said, i can promise you that
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: bec on December 27, 2011, 09:59:29 PM
Perhaps that's the point, Aussie.

Cuz I think it is.

You all are chasing shadows trying to nail down the physical aspects of a mythical object. Perhaps... that's exactly what we have been doing all along, I just didn't notice because I was too wrapped up in it. However, the religious talk gave me a chance to sit back and look at the big picture of the whole entire GODFORSAKEN deal. Lol.

Are atheists allowed to say godforsaken?
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on December 27, 2011, 10:05:48 PM
bec my dear, you can say anything you want. i personally wouldnt say it, but who is anyone to put a rule over you abt what you should and shouldnt do / say. (esp if your an athiest) its a free world and even the bible teaches that we 'are all free moral agents'

meaning we all have freedom of choice about what we say / do / act / believe, etc

so no offence taken here  bearhug



(p.s i often say damn, in australia its a slang expression like 'dang' or 'blast' or 'd'oh' - i understand in the US that it is considered a swear / curse word, is that right?? also its a religious expression is what right, can someone pls advise. also apologies if it ever offends. i dont mean it in that context.)
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on December 27, 2011, 10:08:39 PM
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Perhaps that's the point, Aussie.

Cuz I think it is.

You all are chasing shadows trying to nail down the physical aspects of a mythical object. Perhaps... that's exactly what we have been doing all along, I just didn't notice because I was too wrapped up in it. However, the religious talk gave me a chance to sit back and look at the big picture of the whole entire GODFORSAKEN deal. Lol.

Are atheists allowed to say godforsaken?

bec, i need to know what you mean. i dont quite get what you are saying.. do you mean that the whole MJDH may have sent you chasing for something imaginery? (in reference to the word you used 'mythical')

mmm. i guess i am trying to say, are you doubting?
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: bec on December 27, 2011, 10:26:37 PM
No doubt he's alive.

I think TS might have run out of material. I think he gave up on the levels and switched over to the metaphorical angle... the redirects... where there is no right or wrong... no proof is ever needed. No validation will be forthcoming, no answers will ever be gleaned. We get to guess n guess n guess n guess... and perhaps he will redirect to someone's answer... a long post of course... so we can play the "guess which part was right" game from now until either bamsday or we all grow tired of this little time killer and go find some other obsession to distract us from the unending misery we call daily life.

He doesn't need to answer to any of these theories or explain a damn thing anymore. We will all be satisfied with redirects and bottomless religious debate distracting us from the fact that he left us hanging on 11/29 and never kept his word. Maybe if he ignores it long enough we will all forget it ever happened?

This one isn't likely to ever forget. I'm a big pain in the ass that way.

But no, Aussie, I have no doubt that MJ is alive.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on December 27, 2011, 10:36:03 PM
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No doubt he's alive.

I think TS might have run out of material. I think he gave up on the levels and switched over to the metaphorical angle... the redirects... where there is no right or wrong... no proof is ever needed. No validation will be forthcoming, no answers will ever be gleaned. We get to guess n guess n guess n guess... and perhaps he will redirect to someone's answer... a long post of course... so we can play the "guess which part was right" game from now until either bamsday or we all grow tired of this little time killer and go find some other obsession to distract us from the unending misery we call daily life.

He doesn't need to answer to any of these theories or explain a damn thing anymore. We will all be satisfied with redirects and bottomless religious debate distracting us from the fact that he left us hanging on 11/29 and never kept his word. Maybe if he ignores it long enough we will all forget it ever happened?

This one isn't likely to ever forget. I'm a big pain in the ass that way.

But no, Aussie, I have no doubt that MJ is alive.

glad i now understand what you meant. thank you for that. i new in my heart you would never doubt MJ alive. too much evidence for that. ;) but just needed to be clear in what you mean abt chasing something mythical.

you are right you know. we are all canabalising each other here with our relgious interpretation and views and beliefs, meanwhile forgetting he hasnt finished level 7! what a brilliant way to keep us occupied - quite strategic i must say as one knows that arguing abt religion could go on forever and ever. its a subject that people dont like to back down on when their opinions are challenged (me too - but i force myself to for my own sanity - choose my battles) but kudos to you TS - a great way to keep people preoccupied from haggling you to wrap up level 7!

BEC, i am with you in being relentless in not allowing him to get away with unfinished business.

therefore: come on TS - shed some light on level 7 and wrap it up!
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: hesouttamylife on December 27, 2011, 10:37:08 PM
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Wow this discussion is taking on its own personality:shock:  How does the huge penis fit in with the ark OMG! I am totally lost.  I had better get to reading my Bible.  I completely missed the boat.

you are shocked and dont understand and missed that, because the ark has nothing to do with a penis. its one persons opinion / interpretation. you can read the bible all you like. i promise you will NEVER find that connection.


please people, dont believe everything you read and hear even on the forum. do your own research before adopting one persons interpretation (that may be incorrect) as your own belief. i dont want to discredit anyone, its not my intention, thats why i havent named names. but for those that dont understand the ark and are learning about it here, you need to understand that all the people that 'do know about the ark' (myself included) all dont agree with each other and have different understandings and interpretations. when someone posts, the ark is jesus, the ark is literal, the ark is figurative, the ark is a penis, the ark is mary, the ark involves aliens, the ark is electric and magnetic, etc etc - you need to understand that its JUST THAT INDIVIDUALS understanding, which may be wrong. its not a known understanding. some of the bibles information is open to interpretation. what YOU DO NEED TO KNOW is that all of the possible theories that are being posted ARE NOT IN THE BIBLE. meaning that they are the interpretation of man / individuals WITH NO EVIDENCE to support such theories.



EDIT
: to non religious people and others who dont know abt the ark: this level of TIAI isnt like discecting the cover of a michael album, or understanding lyrics, or analysing evidence in the courtcase or looking for clues at the memorial / funeral, etc. this is religion. there are many opinions here. just because they are posted by a believer on MJDHI forum, doesnt mean they are correct (demographics need to be factored in) and doesnt mean that other religious people / ark believers agree with what is being said, i can promise you that


My statement was all in fun.  Just a joke.  I know it’s not in the Bible.  Lighten up. /white flag/
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: bec on December 27, 2011, 10:43:40 PM
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No doubt he's alive.

I think TS might have run out of material. I think he gave up on the levels and switched over to the metaphorical angle... the redirects... where there is no right or wrong... no proof is ever needed. No validation will be forthcoming, no answers will ever be gleaned. We get to guess n guess n guess n guess... and perhaps he will redirect to someone's answer... a long post of course... so we can play the "guess which part was right" game from now until either bamsday or we all grow tired of this little time killer and go find some other obsession to distract us from the unending misery we call daily life.

He doesn't need to answer to any of these theories or explain a damn thing anymore. We will all be satisfied with redirects and bottomless religious debate distracting us from the fact that he left us hanging on 11/29 and never kept his word. Maybe if he ignores it long enough we will all forget it ever happened?

This one isn't likely to ever forget. I'm a big pain in the ass that way.

But no, Aussie, I have no doubt that MJ is alive.

glad i now understand what you meant. thank you for that. i new in my heart you would never doubt MJ alive. too much evidence for that. ;) but just needed to be clear in what you mean abt chasing something mythical.

you are right you know. we are all canabalising each other here with our relgious interpretation and views and beliefs, meanwhile forgetting he hasnt finished level 7! what a brilliant way to keep us occupied - quite strategic i must say as one knows that arguing abt religion could go on forever and ever. its a subject that people dont like to back down on when their opinions are challenged (me too - but i force myself to for my own sanity - choose my battles) but kudos to you TS - a great way to keep people preoccupied from haggling you to wrap up level 7!

BEC, i am with you in being relentless in not allowing him to get away with unfinished business.

therefore: come on TS - shed some light on level 7 and wrap it up!

Good, because everyone knows once a new redirect comes along it means the old redirect (and convo it inspires) is DONE. Well level 7 AIN'T DONE. Don't start something you can't finish, my father always used to say, which didn't mean don't try, it meant you bust yer ass until you complete it. I see a sorry lack of that work ethic and it burns me considering how much time and effort we have collectively put into this. It feels like it was all for naught.. worse... it feels all for the whim of an anonymous stranger getting his rocks off on us all jumping through his flaming hoops. High, low, you're too slow! HAHAHAHAHAHA ugh.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on December 27, 2011, 10:50:00 PM
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Wow this discussion is taking on its own personality:shock:  How does the huge penis fit in with the ark OMG! I am totally lost.  I had better get to reading my Bible.  I completely missed the boat.

you are shocked and dont understand and missed that, because the ark has nothing to do with a penis. its one persons opinion / interpretation. you can read the bible all you like. i promise you will NEVER find that connection.


please people, dont believe everything you read and hear even on the forum. do your own research before adopting one persons interpretation (that may be incorrect) as your own belief. i dont want to discredit anyone, its not my intention, thats why i havent named names. but for those that dont understand the ark and are learning about it here, you need to understand that all the people that 'do know about the ark' (myself included) all dont agree with each other and have different understandings and interpretations. when someone posts, the ark is jesus, the ark is literal, the ark is figurative, the ark is a penis, the ark is mary, the ark involves aliens, the ark is electric and magnetic, etc etc - you need to understand that its JUST THAT INDIVIDUALS understanding, which may be wrong. its not a known understanding. some of the bibles information is open to interpretation. what YOU DO NEED TO KNOW is that all of the possible theories that are being posted ARE NOT IN THE BIBLE. meaning that they are the interpretation of man / individuals WITH NO EVIDENCE to support such theories.



EDIT
: to non religious people and others who dont know abt the ark: this level of TIAI isnt like discecting the cover of a michael album, or understanding lyrics, or analysing evidence in the courtcase or looking for clues at the memorial / funeral, etc. this is religion. there are many opinions here. just because they are posted by a believer on MJDHI forum, doesnt mean they are correct (demographics need to be factored in) and doesnt mean that other religious people / ark believers agree with what is being said, i can promise you that


My statement was all in fun.  Just a joke.  I know it’s not in the Bible.  Lighten up. /white flag/

@ hesouttamylife - sorry, i should have stated reagrding my reply, that the first line was specifically for you. the rest of the warning was just to people in general. so there is no need for me to lighten up. i think its important that people understand that there is more than only one understanding of the ark and other biblical symbolics, etc - there are a lot of other confused forum members here.

also there was no way for me to tell that you were bring funny or joking in your post, as there were no smileys, haha's etc..


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Wow this discussion is taking on its own personality:shock:  How does the huge penis fit in with the ark OMG! I am totally lost.  I had better get to reading my Bible.  I completely missed the boat.

which is why i just pointed out that to you. certainly not attacking you or being hysterical. i felt bad for you if you were confused as i feel bad for other forum members who may be being religiously misguided if they are trying to learn about religious symbolic things here. i only said it out of love for you.

if you meant it as a joke, then thats not what i took from your post. but i do apologise if i offended you by my post.

bearhug
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: hesouttamylife on December 27, 2011, 10:52:16 PM
No offense taken.  Just wanted to clarify. respect/
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Adi on December 27, 2011, 10:55:12 PM
Interesting, I was thinking the same thing earlier and I posted this observation over on the TIAI December 21 thread:

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Just a short note ...

Haven't been here on the forum much since 11-30; and I have not had time to read the threads.  I'm in the middle of an important project.  But
I will be back next week sometime to catch up on the threads, and work on finishing level 7.

 typing/

Hmmm TS in the above post on December 12th from TIAI November 11 said he/she would be back next week to work on finishing off Level 7.....the only  thing which TS did in that week was the redirect to the pictures of the Ark of the Covenant on December 21st.

Might not mean anything........or it might mean alot.

 smiley_spider
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: anewfan on December 27, 2011, 11:03:14 PM
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It really isn't fun anymore. I believe MJ is alive with all my heart, but this kind of stuff is getting ridiculous. Seriously. We need to get back to the topic at hand...which is MJ. If there's no news...there's no news. I don't want to be lead on a wild goose chase that just passes the time until something newsworthy happens.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: ~Souza~ on December 27, 2011, 11:16:07 PM
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(http://free-retro-graphics.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/dog-chasing-tails.jpg)

It really isn't fun anymore. I believe MJ is alive with all my heart, but this kind of stuff is getting ridiculous. Seriously. We need to get back to the topic at hand...which is MJ. If there's no news...there's no news. I don't want to be lead on a wild goose chase that just passes the time until something newsworthy happens.

No one is telling you you should read topics you're not interested in. So if you think there is no news: take a break. Simple as that.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: anewfan on December 27, 2011, 11:20:17 PM
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It really isn't fun anymore. I believe MJ is alive with all my heart, but this kind of stuff is getting ridiculous. Seriously. We need to get back to the topic at hand...which is MJ. If there's no news...there's no news. I don't want to be lead on a wild goose chase that just passes the time until something newsworthy happens.

No one is telling you you should read topics you're not interested in. So if you think there is no news: take a break. Simple as that.

I'm curious to know if you think the Ark of the Covenant is news, Souza? (I'm being serious in asking this question.)
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: bec on December 27, 2011, 11:26:55 PM
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So...anyone knows how the real ark has to look like? The images TS linked to are different. I must say when I read in the Bible how the ark had to be made - I don't fully understand how is it supposed to look.

I think the original point is that NO ONE knows what the ark is supposed to look like and yet that doesn't stop people from trying to recreate it anyway. They don't have the facts so they just make it up.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: ~Souza~ on December 27, 2011, 11:37:25 PM
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(http://free-retro-graphics.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/dog-chasing-tails.jpg)

It really isn't fun anymore. I believe MJ is alive with all my heart, but this kind of stuff is getting ridiculous. Seriously. We need to get back to the topic at hand...which is MJ. If there's no news...there's no news. I don't want to be lead on a wild goose chase that just passes the time until something newsworthy happens.

No one is telling you you should read topics you're not interested in. So if you think there is no news: take a break. Simple as that.

I'm curious to know if you think the Ark of the Covenant is news, Souza? (I'm being serious in asking this question.)

I think it's important and I think it will be even more important in times fast approaching. I think ONE of the reasons for this hoax is to make people aware of Biblical truth and to expose the illuminati, and thus also the 8th beast of Revelation. I started studying the Bible because I know that Michael reads the Bible daily and is very religious, plus there have been a lot of clues leading towards the Bible and/or the end of the world. I wanted to understand that, so I started to investigate for myself. The more I study, the clearer it becomes for me what this hoax is all about, aside from the entertainment part.

Besides that, I think the Ark was again mentioned in the news somewhere around 12/21. So in a way it's news, yes.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: anewfan on December 27, 2011, 11:41:26 PM
Thank you for sharing your thoughts, Souza.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Adi on December 28, 2011, 12:05:05 AM

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Besides that, I think the Ark was again mentioned in the news somewhere around 12/21. So in a way it's news, yes.

This article appeared on an Australian news website news.com.au on December 5th 2011:

http://www.news.com.au/world/attention-raiders-the-lost-ark-of-the-covenant-is-on-the-move/story-e6frfkyi-1226213811608

Which was probably cut and pasted from this mockery of a "news" website World Weekly News (also posted on December 5th 2011 as well) -   :lol:    :roll:

http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/41072/ark-of-the-covenant-to-be-revealed/
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: use_your_illusion on December 28, 2011, 01:38:18 AM
The Ark is confusing but I really don't think they have found it or will ever find it...actually it makes me think of Moses and how God hid his body...till this day no one knows where it is...some of the articles I read about the Ark, say that the ark wasn't as important as finding Moses' body.

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...suggests that the central quest was not the Ark but the Tomb of Moses

http://www.philipcoppens.com/juvelius.html

I think just like Moses' body won't be found, neither will the ark.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on December 28, 2011, 01:42:45 AM
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The Ark is confusing but I really don't think they have found it or will ever find it...actually it makes me think of Moses and how God hid his body...till this day no one knows where it is...some of the articles I read about the Ark, say that the ark wasn't as important as finding Moses' body.

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...suggests that the central quest was not the Ark but the Tomb of Moses

http://www.philipcoppens.com/juvelius.html

I think just like Moses' body won't be found, neither will the ark.

agree with you 100% illusion. god ensured no one knew where moses was buried so that the tomb /grave would not be worshiped. the israelites had a problem with a) worshiping man and b) worshiping objects. i believe that he would have hid the ark for the same reasons. i dont believe god will allow it to be found and be iconised / idolised. again, JMO
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: nefertari on December 28, 2011, 03:13:06 AM

I agree too. God will not allow it to be found, but He still wanted it to remain described in the sacred texts and in memory of people in such detail for millennia. Why? And yet the book of Revelation says that at the end of time the Ark of the Covenant will reappear. So?
I'm sure the answers are all in the Bible. We should look for them just there to avoid the mistake.
I find it interesting that God made this promise:
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Hebrews 8:10
This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
   after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
   and they will be my people.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: ibelieveinmj on December 28, 2011, 03:44:16 AM
Speaking of Level 7.....and just another strange coincidence/connection with MJDH and bible prophecy.

I read this today,

How Long is a "Day"?

In the Bible, the word "day" can refer to various periods of time.  At Genesis 2:4, for example, the entire creative period of six "days" is spoken of as "the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven."  Each day evidently involved a considerable length of time.  Interestingly, while the Bible specifically mentions the end of each of the first six "days", it makes no mention of the end of the seventh day. Why?  That day is still in progress.

Genesis 2:3  
And God proceeded to bless the seventh day and make it sacred, because on it he has been resting from all his work that God has created for the purpose of making.


Hebrews 4:4-6  For in one place he has said of the seventh day as follows: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works,” and again in this place: “They shall not enter into my rest.”  Since, therefore, it remains for some to enter into it, and those to whom the good news was first declared did not enter in because of disobedience.

The similiarities are a little eerie and this one surprised me.  Yes, just now  lolol/

God is working on that seventh day (end of the world and his promised paradise on earth we can look forward to)

and MJ is working on Level 7...hopefully the BAM!!!!! 

Off topic but  OMG!

Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: MJonmind on December 28, 2011, 03:54:07 AM
Nefertari, I would agree with your statement!  It was part of the old covenant with shedding blood and sacrificing animals--done away with.




Just thinking again about TS's purpose in redirecting to the Ark of the Covenant, when he had promised last week that this week he would finish up 7c.
Could it somehow be connected in some weird way?  It seems the Biblical discussion is running dry.
Any thoughts?  Just collected TS's posts relating as much as possible to 7c.



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TS on: November 20, 2011, 01:31:05 AM »


Quote from: BeTheChange on November 11, 2011, 12:14:15 PM (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=21319.msg370632#msg370632)...
At this rate, maybe we can wrap it all up by the end of the weekend  ...wouldn't that be great!  But something tells me that no matter what we come up with, the ending to the level will occur on a date that's already been predetermined (maybe Nov 29?).



It's possible that we could finish early.

However, we will finish no later than November 29--even if I have to do 7b and 7c without any help (7a is nearly complete already).

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TS on: November 27, 2011, 09:55:43 PM »
With 7a nailed down solid, and a few other pointers, several have already connected dots that were never mentioned before (at least not that I’m aware of); I will be quoting some examples.  However, there is one more VERY important issue that needs to be cleared up at this point; after that, it should be relatively smooth sailing to the destination.

Here is the main question from level 5: “… what if I say that the Illuminati found out about his hoax plans, and killed him according to the exact timing that he had planned?  … Did the Illuminati outthink him, or did he outthink the Illuminati?” {http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=19647.0 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=19647.0)}.

All of the 7 levels have been about the “how’s” of the hoax.  Did anyone realize that this question in level 5 was a BIG HINT?  What if the Illuminati found out about his hoax plans in advance, and arranged to kill him at the very time and place when the world already thought he was dead (or on the brink of death)?  That would be the perfect time and place to bump him off.  How could you convince the world that he had been murdered AFTER he was already dead—that someone had indeed killed a dead man???

You can see how HARD it is to convince the public of his hoax plans now, even with all the ADDITIONAL evidence that we’ve had since 6-25-09 (which we would NOT have, if he had actually died on 6-25-09).  Furthermore, even IF you could convince the public that he was killed on 6-25-09, while planning to fake his death, it may never end up in court—the Illuminati may well be powerful enough to keep it out of court.  And to top it all off: even if it went to court, and one or more were convicted for killing MJ while he was trying to fake his death, EVEN THEN you would still have a dead MJ.  This also shows why it would not be a living double: MJ would not intentionally put someone else in a target position like that.

So did the Illuminati outthink him?  Or did he outthink them, AND FLY OUT OF THE COUNTRY HOURS BEFORE THE KICKOFF TIME?  Just in case the answer to that question is not self-evident, Jermaine made it crystal clear in his “airport” slip/clue.  But I’ll save the details on that for another post.


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As we go through and continue to debunk some of these long-cherished hoax theories (NONE of which have EVER been supported by yours truly): no doubt it will cause some to fear that MJ really died, and there is no hoax (and this could be the reason for some of the resistance displayed in 7a).  It is true, as Jesus said, that those who build their faith upon the sand will have their house collapse when a storm comes through (see Matthew 7:24-27).

Nevertheless, those who have built their faith on solid theories (such as the numerology, with a $999 reward that nobody has even attempted to collect after more than a year) will not be troubled over the collapse of the long-cherished but faulty hoax theories.  Quite the contrary, the true how’s of the hoax will become quite clear; and then it will be even more obvious that it’s a hoax (not murder, or accidental manslaughter, etc).

And finally, once the how’s of the hoax become clear, then the why’s of the hoax will become even clearer than before.  Understanding the why’s is very important—not only before BAM, but especially after.  And if people who come to this forum after the BAM can see that we have a good solid coherent theory on the how’s, then they will be much more likely to believe that we also have the correct understanding of the why’s.
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TS on: November 28, 2011, 11:35:50 PM »
In this post, I’m going to be giving further evidence about one of the reasons why MJ did not go to the hospital (risk of being murdered).  However, the information in this post will go beyond just that; it will also help us to wrap up 7b, and even help us a lot in 7c.
 
 The question here is whether MJ has been facing a real murder danger (at any time, not just 6-25-09), and therefore was his artwork was designed to portray this real danger through entertainment?  Or was the danger just an artistic creation, designed merely for the sake of entertainment?  Once we understand the “how’s” of the hoax, the answer to this question should be very clear.  However, even before completing 7b, I want to show many reasons why this danger is very real; then the rest of 7b should be relatively easy to understand.


(Here’s some of the artwork:  http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/62053632.html (http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/62053632.html)  )
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First and foremost are MJ’s beliefs about the Bible, the NWO, and the end of the world.  I have already documented this significantly, so I won’t repeat it here (see Update #1, for example).  For MJ, these beliefs are not just entertainment; they are very real.  There is a real battle between good and evil in this world; it has existed for thousands of years, but it gets much more intense near the end of the world.  And anyone who does not take sides with the evil powers, especially if they are rich and/or famous, will become prime targets of these evil powers (often referred to as the Illuminati). …
Let me share a little secret, about the bitter opposition that I have received for about two years now.  If I had never done anything but promote the fun and games aspects of the hoax, you can be sure that the whole hoax world would have been raving about TS for these last two years.  The opposition is primarily because I support the serious aspects (Illuminati/NWO, end of the world, etc); humanity generally wants to believe that everything is hunky-dory, and all things will continue fine and dandy.  This is precisely the attitude which was prevalent before the flood, as well as Sodom and Gomorrah—and Jesus warned that this would also be the attitude at the end of the world (see Luke 17:26-30).

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Luke 17:26-30
New International Version (NIV)
   26 “Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27 People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.
   28 “It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.
   30 “It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed.

Okay this is a different kind of Ark of protection from disaster, which reminds me of the movie '2012'.



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TS on: November 29, 2011, 01:10:48 AM »
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And this is because I have been giving MJ’s real message, including the serious aspects; and I have NEVER said it was only a movie, or only a sting on the fans and media.
You make comments like this TS... and it makes me want to read between the lines. It is a movie, and it is a sting on the fans and the media... isn't it?

 If you will accept a straight answer: yes, but not ONLY these things!  And if you don't accept a straight answer, then what else can I say?  Well, maybe 7c will also make it clearer.

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 TS« on: November 29, 2011, 01:25:15 AM »Quote from: heartwarrior on November 29, 2011, 01:20:30 AMWell then TS - why not come up with 7c so we can deal with the real important stuff? Thank you for your guidance so far!
 Okay, I was already thinking that.  However, I will not put the puzzle piece up for 7b, because there are still things that I want to address (and maybe others as well).  But we can now start discussing 7c.  Aspects of the court: all real, partly real and partly hoax, all hoax.


Does 7c relate to court real or not, and ark of the covenant real or not?  Just asking. :?  Because IDK.



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TS  on: November 29, 2011, 02:11:07 AM »Relating to 7c, I want to bring up the following TMZ article:
 DR. MURRAY MANSLAUGHTER TRIAL
 Jury Goes Down the Toilet
 
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=21243.0 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=21243.0)

 The article itself is merely about the jury asking for toilet paper, and paper towels--definitely NOT a newsworthy item.  But the TITLE of the article tells a different story than the article itself.  Also, the picture has three sets of 6 rolls of toilet paper (666).

 This was posted on TMZ after the jury made its decision, and before the verdict was announced.  Since La Toya has confirmed that Harvey Levin knows what is going on (and we have seen that for a long time, anyway): they probably knew at the time that the verdict was guilty.

 TMZ took the article down, shortly after it was posted on the hoax forum (which means that they were probably watching to see when we posted it here, and then they deleted it on TMZ).  They did not go to all the trouble to create the picture, and post the article, for nothing (only to delete it shortly after).  Therefore, what is the message that we are supposed to get from this article, in relation to the jury and therefore the court?
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Grace on December 28, 2011, 04:19:19 AM
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We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
   each of us has turned to our own way;
and the LORD has laid on him
   the iniquity of us all.

Isaiah 53:6
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: paula-c on December 28, 2011, 07:32:04 AM
I have not forgotten the level 7, despite the fact that i have participated in the discussion of the ark by that is an interesting topic i have very little involved that i have tons of work, December is the worst month of the year for my /pull hair/


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Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: gwynned on December 28, 2011, 10:36:14 AM
I'm just going to speculate so here goes.  As I understand it, the Ark is used as a means of communicating directly to God.  And now the Ark is gone and, presumably, our ability to speak directly to God is gone.  I believe this is true for most of us most of the time, if not all of us all of the time, with few exception.  God has left us here to figure it out for ourselves, to willingly choose LOVE over fear, to continue to believe when there is no evidence in God's existence, and to have the freedom to choose our own path.  If the Ark were here and we could communicate directly with God and know his wishes for us, etc., the game would be over. 

Everything I've read about Michael leads me to believe that he is in direct communication with his God.  He has the confidence to lead the way for all of us, his only weapon the knowledge that God is in his heart (as he is in all of ours if we knew how to access it).  We are all like dogs chasing our tails.  Michael has come along and is leading the way out, because unlike the rest of us, his eyes have been opened completely where we, if we are lucky, only have periodic glimpses. 

God, like Mr. V, has allowed us to play the game of separation, so that we could walk on our own, make choices and confront our fears.  Is Michael the 'Ark' that will carry us across?  Is it just about Game Over time?  Michael has shown us in so many ways what it is like to live in God's world....with humor, enthusiasm, LOVE, courage, compassion, etc. 
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on December 28, 2011, 11:07:13 AM
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The Role of the Ark
The Ark was used in the desert and in Israel proper for a number of spiritual and pragmatic purposes. Practically, God used the Ark as an indicator of when he wanted the nation to travel, and when to stop. In the traveling formation in the desert, the Ark was carried 2000 cubits ahead of the nation (Num. R. 2:9). According to one midrash, it would clear the path for the nation by burning snakes, scorpions, and thorns with two jets of flame that shot from its underside (T. VaYakhel, 7); another midrash says that rather than being carried by its bearers, the Ark in fact carried its bearers inches above the ground (Sotah 35a). When the Israelites went to war in the desert and during the conquering of Canaan, the Ark accompanied them; whether its presence was symbolic, to provide motivation for the Jews, or whether it actually aided them in fighting, is debated by commentators.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/ark.html

Since TS directed us to the Ark and its different images and reading the posts and studies about many stories and speculations and honestly I'm intrigued to find out what the real ark and the real history is. As we already had plans to visit the Rijksmuseum tomorrow, I think I'm surely going to visit the paintings of Jacob de Wit http://www.rijksmuseum.nl/assetimage2.jsp?id=SK-A-1783 and the drawings of Jan Luyken http://www.rijksmuseum.nl/collectie/zoeken/asset.jsp?id=RP-P-1921-435&lang=nl, http://www.rijksmuseum.nl/assetimage2.jsp?id=RP-T-1885-A-483. I suppose if I haven't read TS's post about the ark, I wouldn't have been thinking of visiting these works. Thanks TS :)
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: EarthAngel77 on December 28, 2011, 01:42:10 PM
Well Michael has always been looked upon to be an angel or messenger of LOVE. From his own paintings and from people meeting him.  I think even one of his nephews stated that too.  Michael the Archangel( a high angel)  is a cherub and they guard the Ark of the Covenant.  This ark is a throne on which GOD sits, ands we are now watching the throne.  And soon and very soon we are going to see the KING....

Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 28, 2011, 02:27:29 PM
EarthAngel77.

I am also thinking that Michael is the "chosen" one, to help enlighten and guide the people through these times.  All clues and information keep pointing me in this direction !!!!!   

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Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Sarahli on December 28, 2011, 03:05:25 PM
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Sarahli.

Did you see the interpretation from Allthatis...Love ?  The idea is that the ark is a container or vessel.  The vessel is really our bodies.  We have to make our bodies pure and get rid of bad karma.  It has to do with your spirit, or soul and your consciousness and level of spirituality.  It is nothing you can see with your eyes.

Maybe it's knowing when you are ready to achieve a higher level of spirituality and go to a higher dimension/vibration ?  The idea is that we are really a light body first, and then a physical body.  Not the other way around.  Everything is energy,or light, vibration.  Matter is just light/photon particles going at a slower speed.     

Love

Yes I had seen this interpretation but I am like set to believe that the Ark is the object described in the Bible :lol: I don't see why it suddenly would be a person or a (future) state of being even though I can understand perfectly what it means. Maybe both are somehow connected, maybe that the Ark plays a major role in the battle between good and evil at all levels. I say that because the Ark as I see it is like a vessel constructed exactly and precisely how God commanded it to for a very good reason, the Ark sort of allows a presence of God that is not possible otherwise, it's very special and hence its power. So it can be of great importance in these times we're living in. Well these things go a little beyond my understanding but for the moment I think that the Ark is an object.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Sarahli on December 28, 2011, 03:11:08 PM
Concerning Level 7 do you think that the Ark subject is somehow connected to its completion? I have been thinking about that but I really don't know how. :lol:
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: AnaMarcia on December 28, 2011, 03:29:19 PM
I do not understand much about the ark of the covenant. I only know that the absence of Michael hurts more and more every day.
I just wanted him to be good. I only ask to see his smile again and forget all the contradictory and tragic stories we hear about him since 2009 and that 2012 we may have more answers and less deception.  :'(
I love you Michael!
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: MJonmind on December 28, 2011, 04:05:28 PM
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Concerning Level 7 do you think that the Ark subject is somehow connected to its completion? I have been thinking about that but I really don't know how. :lol:

Perhaps Jesus was an 'ascended master' given certain powers/secrets, including understanding the hidden powers of what was in the A of the C, by alien entities in UFO's.  Michael IS the next 'ascended master', whatever you want to call them.  Ready to deliver to the world their next major encounter with the 'God/s' who manifested themselves in the Old and New Testament.  Perhaps Michael has been chosen, given the secrets, and has been prepared, endowed with their powers, to manifest at the proper future time.  And so THAT may very well be 7c. 
EarthEnigma may be partly correct, but not that Michael is evil at all. No way hosea!  Did Illuminati get to him before he carried out his hoax plans?  Haha!  I think TS is being tongue in cheek!  Maybe we don't really understand the Illuminati at all.

Maybe they work together. What DID Michael and Princess Diana talk about for hours?? Perhaps the enlighted figures such as Jesus were connected in the same way to the same connections to the Illuminati (a generic name for TPTB).  Perhaps our understanding of good and evil are wrong. Perhaps a higher power is playing the game of putting out both apparent good and evil, who will fight a planetary war with much fire and destruction, but He/they have the game controllers.  It's called HIStory.  We need to look past the hypnotizing aspects of the Bible, thinking it is actually reality/miracles, but rather it has been a hoax/tool of theirs duping/guiding us gullible/moldable sheep.  I'm not saying He/they had evil intentions at all, but they have guided the course of humanity's history including the mixing/controlling of our DNA structure, and were given charge of our planet by the Creator (Spirit) of the Universe. 

The so-called "God" of the Old Testament was literally the chief alien/team assigned to planet Earth, just as others would be assigned to other planets.  We need to get past the 'religiosity' of the claims and teachings of the Bible, as mature thinkers, not maliable sheep/savages. I include myself there. That Michael has been chosen and knows it himself is obvious.  That we on earth are soon to be seeing a major display of 'signs and wonders', likely concocted from space-ships cloaked in our atmosphere is obvious to me, and to more researchers all the time.

The religious on earth will simply buy it all --hook, line and sinker, as they did in Bible days, and the last 2000 years.  The problem for me is the thousands of mysterious pieces of the puzzle that are floating around in studies/researches being done.  How do they fit, and all the 'whispers', as Front calls them of the kingdom, are so difficult to align. :? geek/


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Like the Grail, the Ark of the Covenant was an object endowed with supernatural powers. The Ark is described in the Bible as a large wooden chest on carrying poles, gilded inside and out with gold, and having a solid gold lid surmounted by two golden winged figures1.
The Ark remains the most sacred artifact of the Jews despite their losing it long ago. Without it, their ancestors would not have overcome certain obstacles, vanquished their enemies, received guidance from it, or prospered into the eventual nation of Israel. Therefore the entire Judeo-Christian paradigm owes its existence to the Ark of the Covenant.

http://montalk.net/gnosis/184/ark-of-the-covenant (http://montalk.net/gnosis/184/ark-of-the-covenant)   


http://www.ufodigest.com/article/ancient-aliens-and-ark-covenant (http://www.ufodigest.com/article/ancient-aliens-and-ark-covenant)

http://www.bibleufo.com/devices3.htm (http://www.bibleufo.com/devices3.htm)

My comment when reading this is, how could anyone keep the ark safely. Surely all guarding it in the Ethiopian church would have died from cancer, etc. all this time.  Or were the nuclear, electrical abilities disabled at some point by the beings who directed its making. Perhaps wherever it is, it is encased in some impenetrable container.

http://www.arkcode.com/ (http://www.arkcode.com/)

http://www.solomonstemple.com/2010/09/ufos-and-the-lost-ark-of-the-covenant-lost-book-of-angel-raziel/ (http://www.solomonstemple.com/2010/09/ufos-and-the-lost-ark-of-the-covenant-lost-book-of-angel-raziel/)

Some little hints here:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGh8fnHeQ8Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGh8fnHeQ8Q)

Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Sarahli on December 28, 2011, 04:33:59 PM
Wow Mjonmind you have such a vivid imagination :lol: ....maybe the link is the Illuminati but I believe that there is good on one side and evil on the other side. A possibility for them to be "working together" is infiltration or make believe with the goal to expose them. God has not created the earth in vain or for His own amusement, there is a reason for us to be here and I believe that we will be held accountable for our actions on earth before God. Hence I do not think that evil is necessary per se but only allowed presence because of the absence of God and for the purpose of demonstration. Where there is God there is no evil, where there is Love there is no fear, where there is warmth there is no cold.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: GINAFELICIA on December 28, 2011, 05:00:58 PM
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In the sex act, it is like an 'arc' (Ark) of electricity that happens.  It is a symbol given to mankind to illustrate the union between the divine and mankind. "IT" generates the creation of ALL things.  The act.  I believe/agree the original Ark of the Covenant had technology with real zap/Bam that potentially could occur, and may have on occasion.  Song of Solomon is poetic writing of God’s marital love for Israel his wife. In the New Testament the ‘church’ is the bride of the Christ.  On stage Michael is having sex with the audience—make no mistake.  It is a divine picture/gesture. Michael said he was married to his fans.
I am completely serious here!  There was something way beyond grabbing his crotch here--I've felt this way since the beginning. He explained he was interpreting the music, which he felt he was channelling from God.  No one else should even try to imitate MJ--it's not the same! :lol:


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Psalm 82
A psalm of Asaph.
1 God presides in the great assembly;
    he renders judgment among the “gods”:

2 “How long will you[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=psalm%2082&version=NIV#fen-NIV-15236a)] defend the unjust
    and show partiality to the wicked?
[b (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=psalm%2082&version=NIV#fen-NIV-15236b)]
 
3 Defend the weak and the fatherless;
    uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed.
 
4 Rescue the weak and the needy;
    deliver them from the hand of the wicked.

5 “The ‘gods’ know nothing, they understand nothing.
    They walk about in darkness;
    all the foundations of the earth are shaken.

6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”;
    you are all sons of the Most High.’
 
7 But you will die like mere mortals;
    you will fall like every other ruler.”

8 Rise up, O God, judge the earth,
    for all the nations are your inheritance.

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John 10:33-36 (NIV) 33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%2010:33-36&version=NIV#fen-NIV-26516a)]? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?
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Romans 8:17 (NIV)
17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.
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Revelation 20:6 (NIV)
6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
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Ephesians 2:6 (NIV)
6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,
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1 Corinthians 15:20 (NIV)
20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.


Front posted on Dec. 26 a greeting of Happy Kwanzaa Day, which is the Afro-American celebration of First Fruits.

http://www.afrocentricnews.com/html/kwanza.htm (http://www.afrocentricnews.com/html/kwanza.htm)


All these things are connected in a profound way.  Everything is connected.  Even sex!
The Ark of the Covenant is related to sex!  IMHO   :lol: afraid/ /woohoo/   (God, Mary, Jesus, Michael, all of us!)
WTF?? :lol:
Seriously, I know what you mean, I kind of believe the same, well it's just a guess, I am not completely sure but I can't HELP thinking about it, even if it sounds crazy.
Maybe that's where this strong feeling of equalizing sex with Michael Jackson with a religious experience comes from  :shock: errrr.

Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: MaryK on December 28, 2011, 05:10:38 PM
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Maybe that's where this strong feeling of equalizing sex with Michael Jackson with a religious experience comes from  :shock: errrr.


Gina..... OMG!....Gina..... afraid/
 lolol/
Just kidding...I think that´s cute.  bearhug
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: BeTheChange on December 28, 2011, 05:44:10 PM
I've been mainly reading the past few days...just taking it all in.  There's been some fascinating posts in this thread and in others concerning 'religious' aspects of the hoax.  It's very interesting for someone like me...who doesn't affliate with any religion (although raised Catholic), yet who believes in God wholeheartedly...to read others' interpretations of things.  Cause when all is said and done...the bottom line is it's ALL interpretation.  Even if we believe something to have come directly from God, like the Bible...we can only 'experience' it through our sensory perception...i.e. therefore, we 'interpret' it's meaning and we will all interpret it in our own way based on varying factors.

Because I've 'detached' myself from all 'religion' years ago...I notice that I don't feel as 'defensive' as some of the feelings I sense in some posts.  My belief in God surpasses EVERYTHING that 'man's' hands have touched.  If somehow I found out tomorrow that the Bible was all a means of 'control'....or if 'science' proved we were 'planted' here by aliens....or if it was discovered that Jesus, in fact, was simply a man with a message and someone who did actually get married....none of these things would 'shake' my belief in God.  It took a very long time for me to 'detach' myself from all preconceived 'interpretations'/conditioning....but I am no longer 'tied' to anything (i.e. my belief in God is not dependant on anything).

That doesn't mean I'm not interested in learning more about 'stuff'...far from it.  If anything, it most definitely means my mind is free enough to take in, and think about, a whole host of 'interpretations' without cringing or having my stomach do back flips when reading something that's not in line with my 'interpretation' ('attachments' always lead to discomfort in varying degrees).  I am most fascinated with the whole discussion of the Ark and I've read a TON of 'interpretations' as to what it could look like, what it could be, where it could be, etc etc....all fascinating stuff, yet no one knows for sure or it wouldn't be such a mystery, would it?

The thing that has stuck out for me most in all the 'interpretations' I've read and all the thoughts I've had....is WHY would an all knowing and all powerful God NEED an object in order to 'communicate' with people on earth or as a means to 'protect' certain people?  If we take the Bible literally, then He was able to communicate without a problem prior to the Ark's existence.  An all powerful God would surely be able to communicate with anyone at any time, if He so desired, with or without a 'material' object.  If not, then He wouldn't be all poweful, all knowing, etc.  If the purpose of the Ark was to 'protect' certain people in battle/wars, etc....then He wouldn't be all-loving. 

I realize the discussion has mainly focussed on WHAT the 'true Ark' looks like....but I'm wondering what others think was the purpose of the Ark in the first place.  Why the NEED for this 'object'....if it was indeed an 'object' AND if it indeed came from God's 'will'? (<----two factors that many seem 'sure' about...that it was an object and that it was created as per God's instructions.  Two things that I am 'unsure' about but I'm genuinely intrigued by both).

Contradictions abound...at least in my mind. 

With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: MichaelsAngel on December 28, 2011, 05:48:36 PM

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Maybe that's where this strong feeling of equalizing sex with Michael Jackson with a religious experience comes from  :shock: errrr.


I wonder what Michael would say to that  :lol:
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Starchild on December 28, 2011, 06:06:02 PM
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I've been mainly reading the past few days...just taking it all in.  There's been some fascinating posts in this thread and in others concerning 'religious' aspects of the hoax.  It's very interesting for someone like me...who doesn't affliate with any religion (although raised Catholic), yet who believes in God wholeheartedly...to read others' interpretations of things.  Cause when all is said and done...the bottom line is it's ALL interpretation.  Even if we believe something to have come directly from God, like the Bible...we can only 'experience' it through our sensory perception...i.e. therefore, we 'interpret' it's meaning and we will all interpret it in our own way based on varying factors.

Because I've 'detached' myself from all 'religion' years ago...I notice that I don't feel as 'defensive' as some of the feelings I sense in some posts.  My belief in God surpasses EVERYTHING that 'man's' hands have touched.  If somehow I found out tomorrow that the Bible was all a means of 'control'....or if 'science' proved we were 'planted' here by aliens....or if it was discovered that Jesus, in fact, was simply a man with a message and someone who did actually get married....none of these things would 'shake' my belief in God.  It took a very long time for me to 'detach' myself from all preconceived 'interpretations'/conditioning....but I am no longer 'tied' to anything (i.e. my belief in God is not dependant on anything).

That doesn't mean I'm not interested in learning more about 'stuff'...far from it.  If anything, it most definitely means my mind is free enough to take in, and think about, a whole host of 'interpretations' without cringing or having my stomach do back flips when reading something that's not in line with my 'interpretation' ('attachments' always lead to discomfort in varying degrees).  I am most fascinated with the whole discussion of the Ark and I've read a TON of 'interpretations' as to what it could look like, what it could be, where it could be, etc etc....all fascinating stuff, yet no one knows for sure or it wouldn't be such a mystery, would it?

The thing that has stuck out for me most in all the 'interpretations' I've read and all the thoughts I've had....is WHY would an all knowing and all powerful God NEED an object in order to 'communicate' with people on earth or as a means to 'protect' certain people?  If we take the Bible literally, then He was able to communicate without a problem prior to the Ark's existence.  An all powerful God would surely be able to communicate with anyone at any time, if He so desired, with or without a 'material' object.  If not, then He wouldn't be all poweful, all knowing, etc.  If the purpose of the Ark was to 'protect' certain people in battle/wars, etc....then He wouldn't be all-loving. 

I realize the discussion has mainly focussed on WHAT the 'true Ark' looks like....but I'm wondering what others think was the purpose of the Ark in the first place.  Why the NEED for this 'object'....if it was indeed an 'object' AND if it indeed came from God's 'will'? (<----two factors that many seem 'sure' about...that it was an object and that it was created as per God's instructions.  Two things that I am 'unsure' about but I'm genuinely intrigued by both).

Contradictions abound...at least in my mind. 

With L.O.V.E. always.

Great Post, BeTheChange.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Im_convincedmjalive on December 28, 2011, 07:37:29 PM
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I realize the discussion has mainly focussed on WHAT the 'true Ark' looks like....but I'm wondering what others think was the purpose of the Ark in the first place.  Why the NEED for this 'object'....if it was indeed an 'object' AND if it indeed came from God's 'will'? (<----two factors that many seem 'sure' about...that it was an object and that it was created as per God's instructions.  Two things that I am 'unsure' about but I'm genuinely intrigued by both).

I am going to try and make some sense to your questions. It is my belief that God meets people where they are. Example: I am a mess because of my past but God isn't going to wait around until I get my stuff together. He has come to me, offered me salvation and he has explained it to me that the way to that is through Jesus. That is what I mean by meeting people where they are.

Staying with that concept it is my belief that during the times that the people were worshipping idols, God gave his 10 commandments to the people to follow. God gave the people the opportunity to behave. The 10 commandments were given to a man who at that time was somewhat respected by the majority, so God felt that Moses was the one he could give the commandments to and told him to put them in The Ark. That became the covenant (agreement) between God and the people. God does use people for his purpose. God also used an object (Ark) to keep the idol worshippers interested. He gets down to our thinking/ways and does it for our benefit.

Some people may think that the 10 commandments have conditional promises to them. It is my belief that the conditions set forth are no different than a parent laying down the rules, if you break em you get punished. Just because we are scolded by our parents it doesn't mean that they stop loving us. God obviously hasn't stopped loving us. We have been given opportunity after opportunity to get things right.

The idea of the 10 commandments, powerful energy, and protection stayed an idea as long as (visually) The Ark was around. It is like planting an idea in our heads and we think what someone else wants us to think. Example: MJ's memorial, we saw a coffin and our minds automatically thought he was dead because we see proof.

The people who had possesion of The Ark (tried) to keep following the 10 commandments, thinking that The Ark was the only way to communicate to God because they thought the stone tablets were in there and the idea of communication was planted in their heads. It wasn't always just an idea. God had protected people with The Ark according to his rules. God saw that the people were unable to keep the covenant for a long period so he made a new convenant. God got rid of the old that was no longer working. The new covenant (agreement) is Jesus, he paid for our sins through his blood. 

The deception of it being found is from Satan. Satan knows people's weakness and he knows that we still continue to worship idols. To not be fooled by Satan it is my belief to recognise that The Ark is no longer relevant. It is my belief because the new agreement is through Jesus, there is no more need for a box/bobble to worship.

I hope how I explained that is understandable. I have been quiet also because I have done this research a year ago. There was a good bit of uncovering done by a few members. I also do not want to get into theology/religious debates. It was asked by TS not to trust the source of the info no matter who presented it but to go by the info/evidence presented. Basically do your own research and draw your own truth. That doesn't mean don't discuss theories with each other. It does mean do not blindly believe what someone else says.

Peace
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: paula-c on December 28, 2011, 08:35:13 PM
It is said many things about the ark, it is said that it was a door of direct communication with God, but what is even more disturbing is that it will also have said that whoever has the ark of the Covenant will have the world under their control ...
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 29, 2011, 01:00:21 AM
I just got another idea about what the ark of the covenant could be.  I got this idea while reading David Wilcock's book "The Source Field".  He was talking about how the great pyramid in egypt still does not have the capstone on.  When the cap stone is put on it is a symbol of the great golden age starting for humanity and it is a symbol of the pineal gland working.  The pineal gland is associated with increased spirituality and consciousness.  Well we all know TPTB want everything for themselves.  They are a the "top" of the pyramid. 

The pyramids measurements show many things such as days in a year, the procession of the equinoxes, size of the earth etc.  It's also perfectly on top of an energy spots/vortexes.  The ancients knew how to use the energy fields of the earth, David calls the source field.     He says "it is obvious that the founding fathers of America clearly believed the return of the capstone on the pyramid symbolized the dawning of a new era in human history at the end of the great year"  Page 132, electronic copy.  The pyramid is 25,826.4 inches, distance across the diagonals.  This represents the procession of the equinoxes, the time it takes for the earth to rotate through all the constellations.  So according to the Mayans the year is 2012.  I bet the illuminati are thinking 12/21/12 because this matches the pyramid measurements (I think).  Some other ancient prophecies say 2012-2014.

Other numbers work out also.  Right now the pyramid has 6 sides because it isn't finished.  (bottom,top,and four going around.    If we finish it, then it will have 5 sides.   The "star" has 5 sides also.  The star we keep seeing as a clue.  Also if you look at sacred geometry there is an energy field around you of this shape called the Merkahba or something like that.   

So the ark might be the capstone of the great pyramid, and maybe other pyramids around the world.  We have to figure out what the measurements of the capstone would have to be "Exactly".  It would have to fit into all the mathematical calculations of the pyramid.  There are more in David's Wilcock's book.  Maybe somebody can get some drawings to see what we can work out.    I am really going to do flips if the measurements somehow equal 999 after the cap is put on !!!!!!!   What do you guys think ?????  Can we turn 6 into 9 ???
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: GINAFELICIA on December 29, 2011, 01:05:32 AM
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Maybe that's where this strong feeling of equalizing sex with Michael Jackson with a religious experience comes from  :shock: errrr.


I wonder what Michael would say to that  :lol:
I hope to find out some day ::).

OK, about the ark, the most puzzling thing to me are the cheruvims and their wings. First of all I don't know how they are supposed to look like (humans with wings?). Secondly, if they must not be placed right on the mercy seat to not be on the same level with God- where else can they be? The crown has to continuously surround the ark so ....well maybe I should read it again before speaking.
I will post later.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: MJonmind on December 29, 2011, 02:45:49 AM

This suspicious-looking MJ impersonator has an interesting Ark related emblem on his shirt.



(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/MJ%20full%20body/MJimpuploadedDec2011.jpg)
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: gwynned on December 29, 2011, 04:49:59 AM
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I just got another idea about what the ark of the covenant could be.  I got this idea while reading David Wilcock's book "The Source Field".  He was talking about how the great pyramid in egypt still does not have the capstone on.  When the cap stone is put on it is a symbol of the great golden age starting for humanity and it is a symbol of the pineal gland working.  The pineal gland is associated with increased spirituality and consciousness.  Well we all know TPTB want everything for themselves.  They are a the "top" of the pyramid. 

The pyramids measurements show many things such as days in a year, the procession of the equinoxes, size of the earth etc.  It's also perfectly on top of an energy spots/vortexes.  The ancients knew how to use the energy fields of the earth, David calls the source field.     He says "it is obvious that the founding fathers of America clearly believed the return of the capstone on the pyramid symbolized the dawning of a new era in human history at the end of the great year"  Page 132, electronic copy.  The pyramid is 25,826.4 inches, distance across the diagonals.  This represents the procession of the equinoxes, the time it takes for the earth to rotate through all the constellations.  So according to the Mayans the year is 2012.  I bet the illuminati are thinking 12/21/12 because this matches the pyramid measurements (I think).  Some other ancient prophecies say 2012-2014.

Other numbers work out also.  Right now the pyramid has 6 sides because it isn't finished.  (bottom,top,and four going around.    If we finish it, then it will have 5 sides.   The "star" has 5 sides also.  The star we keep seeing as a clue.  Also if you look at sacred geometry there is an energy field around you of this shape called the Merkahba or something like that.   

So the ark might be the capstone of the great pyramid, and maybe other pyramids around the world.  We have to figure out what the measurements of the capstone would have to be "Exactly".  It would have to fit into all the mathematical calculations of the pyramid.  There are more in David's Wilcock's book.  Maybe somebody can get some drawings to see what we can work out.    I am really going to do flips if the measurements somehow equal 999 after the cap is put on !!!!!!!   What do you guys think ?????  Can we turn 6 into 9 ???

I don't know about the measurements, but I'm glad you mentioned the Source Field because it's a very interesting book.  Wilcock talks quite a bit about the importance of the pineal gland as the entrance to consciousness.  So on a lark, I googled Pineal Gland and Ark of the Covenant.  I love the internet.  Check this out.  I have no idea who the author is, but he does posit an interesting idea.  That the description of the ark could be applied to the part of the brain that houses the pineal gland. 

http://www.gardenof-eden.com/arc_of_the_covenant.htm

Here's a small excerpt:

In both Exodus and 1 Kings it describes two winged creatures that were placed above the covenant box –   ‘Each had two wings. Two of their outstretched wings touched each other in the middle of the room and the other two wings touched the walls’ – that really confirmed I was looking at the right place in the brain for ‘The sphenoid bone is bat-shaped, and looking at it face on it appears to have two pairs of wings.’ The pituitary is housed within the sphenoid structure and is suspended above the cube-shaped bone – just as the winged creatures are placed over the square altar.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on December 29, 2011, 05:26:22 AM
the wings of ark on emblem, also look like they may actually be leaves on a wreath. similar to UN logo, if you know what i mean.

(http://www.cumbriacrack.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/UN-LOGO.jpg)
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on December 29, 2011, 05:43:53 AM
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This suspicious-looking MJ impersonator has an interesting Ark related emblem on his shirt.


JMO, but i dont think it is ark related.

it reminds me of the austro / hungarian naval emblem / bagde



(http://www.sacktrick.com/igu/germancolonialuniforms/militaria/jm/austrian%20naval%20officers%20cap%20badge.jpg)

and

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k594/Australianbeliever/austronaval.jpg)
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Sarahli on December 29, 2011, 09:36:31 AM
I am still unsure of what to make of the Ark but obviously it is significant and people do link it to the end of the world and I believe that Michael will use this wisely.

More than anything the Ark is a SYMBOL. A symbol of God's PRESENCE and that is its GREATEST value and in that sense it is within us ALL and all around us.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 29, 2011, 09:37:17 AM
Thanks Gwynned.  That is a great interpretation that you found.  I saw other interpretations where it is thought that the bible is talking about the body.  Maybe the old ark is the cap stone for the great pyramid in egypt.  And the new ark of the covenant is represented by our pineal gland.  This is the gland responsible for spirituality, increased connection to the source field energy, increased consciousness.  God had an agreement to restore our divinity.  This also goes along with what Allthatis ....love said about the ark being us.

The ancients civilizations knew how to work with this source field energy.  There are energy spots/vortexes around the earth and a lot of them have ancient structures like pyramids and religious structures.  They knew how to channel this energy and channel light.   It is thought that the pyramid with capstone represents our pineal gland. 

Maybe the pyramids can be put back together to start the energy fields working again ?  Maybe we will have this energy starting on 12/21/12 or near that date.  That is when the new age of aquarius starts.  We are supposed to be getting more and more photon energy sent to earth.  We get more and more energy as we are getting closer to the center of the milky way.  We  will be right in the center on or near 12/21/12.  This goes along with measurements on the pyramid and other ancient calendars/prophecies.   It is also going along with Modern, recent calculations by astronomers.

I am just guessing but maybe the physical ark is the capstone or contains the capstone, and maybe those Ankhs the egyptians used to transfer energy are the "rods".  Maybe you need the rod or the ANKHS to use the pyramids ??????  Those Ankhs they used seem important.  Also, a symbol Michael and others used.   

If the energy fields are improved on earth then maybe our pineal glands can work better.  Maybe all of us will have a higher spirituality/consciousness.  The powers that be definitely do not want us to have that !!!!!!!!!

Well, even if it has nothing to do with the ark, the pineal gland and the source field, chakras (energy centers going up body) are very important.  There's David Wilcock's book, The Source Field Investigations and others.


Love

Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: melody on December 29, 2011, 09:38:04 AM
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The thing that has stuck out for me most in all the 'interpretations' I've read and all the thoughts I've had....is WHY would an all knowing and all powerful God NEED an object in order to 'communicate' with people on earth or as a means to 'protect' certain people?  If we take the Bible literally, then He was able to communicate without a problem prior to the Ark's existence.  An all powerful God would surely be able to communicate with anyone at any time, if He so desired, with or without a 'material' object.  If not, then He wouldn't be all poweful, all knowing, etc.  If the purpose of the Ark was to 'protect' certain people in battle/wars, etc....then He wouldn't be all-loving. 

I realize the discussion has mainly focussed on WHAT the 'true Ark' looks like....but I'm wondering what others think was the purpose of the Ark in the first place.  Why the NEED for this 'object'....if it was indeed an 'object' AND if it indeed came from God's 'will'? (< ----two factors that many seem 'sure' about...that it was an object and that it was created as per God's instructions.  Two things that I am 'unsure' about but I'm genuinely intrigued by both).

Contradictions abound...at least in my mind. 

With L.O.V.E. always.


According to scripture, the people asked for indirect communication . Their God was willing to communicate directly, but they didn't want it.


Exodus 20:18-19
New International Version (NIV)

 18 When the people saw the thunder and lightning and heard the trumpet and saw the mountain in smoke, they trembled with fear. They stayed at a distance 19 and said to Moses, “Speak to us yourself and we will listen. But do not have God speak to us or we will die.”



Deuteronomy 18:16
New International Version (NIV)

16 For this is what you asked of the LORD your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly when you said, “Let us not hear the voice of the LORD our God nor see this great fire anymore, or we will die.”




I've noticed a pattern: Adam and Eve had direct communication with their God (until they "fell" and became afraid in Genesis 3), the Israelites did not want to speak directly with their God because they also were afraid and couldn't bare to be in his presence (in Exodus 20)—now that I think about it, that makes sense because they descended from fallen/fearful Adam—and the new covenant seeks to re-establish that direct communication.

I find myself asking, "is the 'new covenant' what was originally intended with the 'old' ?"  I'm tempted to say "yes".  When I read it, it comes across as if the unwillingness of the people made their God compromise his original plans; so if the Israelites had just trusted their God without cowardice, there would have been no need for ritual or religion.  As Im_convincedmjalive was saying, he caters to the inabilities of his people; the Israelites' inability was looking past their physical world. They preferred human leaders, physical representations of the truth, creation over creator. For example, before they were ever given any tablets, they all verbally agreed to the commands (Exodus 24 lays the chronology out). They knew they shouldn't craft or bow down to an idol, yet when Moses went up the mountain to get the "hard copy" of the commands, in his absence, they put their trust once more in what they could physically see. Teacher leaves the room, so the students act out. Their stubborn-selves needed physical reminders lol. I guess that's why we need substitute teachers (but the real stubborn ones act out regardless of the reminders).

Now, through the new covenant, at least from what I can tell, he's trying to move his people past their five physical senses, revealing for instance that the stone tablets were actually our hardened hearts; the same with the tabernacle and its objects (including the ark): they exemplified his plan to redeem mankind and absolve them of their guilt (as RK mentioned in the Biblical/EOW thread (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=20454.msg355221#msg355221)). So if the tabernacle represents our bodies (1 Corinthians 6:19), then the Ark—which symbolized God's presence in the tabernacle—represents his Holy Spirit/Ruach Ha-Kodesh residing within us?

I'm not sure if that eliminates the re-discovery of a physical ark though. After all, that physical reminder was needed at that time, for the state his people were in spiritually. A physical ark would lead many people astray, those who are still on that spiritual "milk" instead of spiritual "meat".  (1 Corinthians 3:2)
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: gwynned on December 29, 2011, 10:50:12 AM
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Thanks Gwynned.  That is a great interpretation that you found.  I saw other interpretations where it is thought that the bible is talking about the body.  Maybe the old ark is the cap stone for the great pyramid in egypt.  And the new ark of the covenant is represented by our pineal gland.  This is the gland responsible for spirituality, increased connection to the source field energy, increased consciousness.  God had an agreement to restore our divinity.  This also goes along with what Allthatis ....love said about the ark being us.

The ancients civilizations knew how to work with this source field energy.  There are energy spots/vortexes around the earth and a lot of them have ancient structures like pyramids and religious structures.  They knew how to channel this energy and channel light.   It is thought that the pyramid with capstone represents our pineal gland. 

Maybe the pyramids can be put back together to start the energy fields working again ?  Maybe we will have this energy starting on 12/21/12 or near that date.  That is when the new age of aquarius starts.  We are supposed to be getting more and more photon energy sent to earth.  We get more and more energy as we are getting closer to the center of the milky way.  We  will be right in the center on or near 12/21/12.  This goes along with measurements on the pyramid and other ancient calendars/prophecies.   It is also going along with Modern, recent calculations by astronomers.

I am just guessing but maybe the physical ark is the capstone or contains the capstone, and maybe those Ankhs the egyptians used to transfer energy are the "rods".  Maybe you need the rod or the ANKHS to use the pyramids ??????  Those Ankhs they used seem important.  Also, a symbol Michael and others used.   

If the energy fields are improved on earth then maybe our pineal glands can work better.  Maybe all of us will have a higher spirituality/consciousness.  The powers that be definitely do not want us to have that !!!!!!!!!

Well, even if it has nothing to do with the ark, the pineal gland and the source field, chakras (energy centers going up body) are very important.  There's David Wilcock's book, The Source Field Investigations and others.


Love



Wow.  Some interesting thoughts here.  Let me share a couple with you.  Assuming that the energy will increase as we near 12/21/12, the question is, will we be able to handle it?  And who was this 'God' that in physical form caused terror?  Was he/she really so 'terrible', or were the Israelites unable to deal with that level of energy. 

There's a great movie that some say Michael had a hand in called The Green Beautiful.  To cut to the chase, an advanced alien who can trace part of her heritage to an earthly being returns to earth to see what has been going on for the last 200 years so she can report back to her community.  She is literally sickened by the food and the air and the lack of nature and human warmth.  People's responses to her vary.  Some go temporarily insane (though in a funny way), some have moments of bliss and sublime understanding, but no one is unchanged.  When she finds herself in trouble, she 'disconnects' people at which point they go through a very profound change in an instant.  One of the other interesting things is that the aliens communicate with each other by sticking their feet in water.  Water, water.......hmmmm...

I have been around people whose energy, simply because of their spiritual level, can have a profound effect on those that encounter them.  However, to merely transfer that energy into an unprepared vehicle can blow out the entire engine, so to speak.  Is the '4 years to get it right' a time frame in which we can prepare ourselves to receive a significant dose of Divine inspiration? 

On a completely different note, your missive reminded me of a dream my son had early on in the hoax.  He is NOT a believer.  He will tell everyone willing to listen that his mother is crazy and he is the poor soul given the task of maintaining sanity within the family.  The dream is simple.  He saw a bunch of pyramids with lights shooting out of the top around the world, not unlike the lights streaming out of the Luxor.   Are our pineal glands receptors of some type which are not working because (a) they've been calcified by eating junk food and bad water and/or (b) the signal would come from the capstones.  A crazy thought, but no harm in speculating, I guess. 
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: BeTheChange on December 29, 2011, 11:08:20 AM
Thanks so much Im_convinced and Melody for your thoughts.  I can 'see' the plausibility of what you're both saying as to why God would've instructed an Ark be built in the first place (i.e. He 'bowed' down to the people...both figuratively and literally).  Anything is possible, I guess, when trying to 'figure out' God's intent...IF the instructions were, in fact, from Him.  Although I hestitate greatly in trying to presume any of God's 'reasoning' or intent about anything....I'm thinking there had to be a logical reason as to why He felt this Ark was needed to begin with.

He surely didn't NEED it to communicate with anyone....cause He did that prior to the Ark's creation.  Likewise, He wouldn't have needed it to 'protect' anyone or destroy anything....His power extends way beyond the Ark.  I guess what confuses me in trying to see the logic in all this is the fact that IF it was God's will that this Ark be created in the first place....He HAD to know how revered such an 'object' would become.  To this day, it has remained one of the most mysterious and sought after 'relics'/objects known to mankind.  I can just imagine such an 'object' being presented to the world today and the millions of people that would bow down to it (bow down to a 'material object').  Yet, according to Scripture....God warned against 'idolizing' ANY objects.  So, on the one hand (if we follow the presumption that He gave the people what they wanted)...He instructed them to make an 'object' that would be their earthly 'proof' of His existence...while at the same time, condemning such a practise.  Or am I not understanding something or missing something (which may very well be possible...I am definitely not an expert on the Bible or the Ark)?

It just seems to me that IF it was God who instructed that this Ark be built (something I'm not completely sure about, and may never be...whether or not it did come from God---although I tend to believe that the people DID believe the instructions were from God)....that it was some sort of a 'test' to see if they would 'idolize' it when the very 'laws' it housed forbade it.  If so, they failed the test....and we are still failing today.

I do hope that I am not offending anyone with this line of thought....my intent is FAR from wanting to offend anyone or diminish/belittle their beliefs.  I am genuinely trying to make 'sense' of an all powerful, all knowing, and all loving God....that somehow 'compromised' and bowed down to the people and gave them exactly what they were asking for....an 'object' to worship....while at the same time warning against it.

For those interested in a possible connection to the pyramids...I came across this site and find the information/research on it fascinating http://www.prepare-ye-the-way.com/greatpyramid1.htm (http://www.prepare-ye-the-way.com/greatpyramid1.htm).  Here is some quotes that mention the Ark (although I would recommend reading the entire page for anyone who doesn't believe in 'coincidences' and wants to experience a few  afraid/ moments):

"The basic unit of measure within the pyramid is the "Sacred Inch". This same inch, in the sacred cubit, is also used in Noah's ark, the Ark of the Covenant, Solomon's Temple, Stonehenge, and in the New Jerusalem. This inch is only a half of a hair's breadth different than the English inch and the American inch."

"There are many evidences of this monument as being Divinely Inspired. The Queens chamber's dimensions, represents a 1000 year time period, possibly the millennial reign with Christ. The Coffer in the King's chamber has the same volume inside as the Ark of the Covenant. The Kings Chamber has the same volume as the Holy of Holies in Solomon’s Temple. One of the most important things is that we, are at the point in history that by the timeline inside the Great Pyramid, we are now entering into the King's chamber, and this is a type of the marriage of the Lamb and the promise of eternal life."

Truly fascinating stuff.

With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: EarthAngel77 on December 29, 2011, 11:29:26 AM
How can unholy beings comprehend holiness. God is just to much for us to handle.  I think that he wanted to dwell among us(be made present so we can see him),  but how can you manifest something soooo awesome.   Well I tell you how....you build a throne to sit upon that would protect these unholiess from you.   God love is just that great.   Still even that wasn't enough. Making himself lowly and denouced his powers...he came back in the flesh (Jesus).  After the flesh, came the holy spirit. 

So we are nearing the end of time and guess who is making a return???     :-\ and I don't think that he will be alone.

I just wanted to add that God love is the same, yesterday and today and always.

Okay so have anyone heard of this little cherub named Lucifer...well he had the honor of covering the heavenly throne for God.  He fell to the earth and with that tried to establish a kingdom here. Wanting to be like the most high. As above so below type of stuff. The ark is the same as in heaven but built upon earth let God's kingship being seen and known. And his laws (10 commandments  and Seal where placed in it) so disobedient children would have it for them...once again we went our own way. Remember Garden of Eden and that falling thing. For some reason we chose everything but God...maybe a little devil has something to do with it.  Oh and free will. But make no mistake about it God Will will be done.

   So there are many fake arks. But only one true one. And you might have seen them. See a pattern going here.  Like many fake gods and Messaiahs..etc   Lucifer can only imitate and confuse.

Will we be able to spot the real deal...The sheep know the masters voice right!!

Like spotting a fake seal on the court tv and the real Mike lolol/

The Kingdom of God is at hand....As it is in heaven and soon here on Earth.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 29, 2011, 01:09:02 PM
Wow, BeTheChange.   Great article about the Pyramid.  It truly is magnificent and awesome and shows that God is control.  I just keep thinking about the measurements of the ark and the measurements needed for the capstone !  I don't know why.  I will look at the measurements given in the Bible for the Ark.

Gynned, the energy I am talking about is increased photon/light energy being sent down to earth, probably by solar flares.  All the planets are getting warmer and "lining up", to this center line.  When we get to this stage we "wake up".  It's a new era when the age of aquarius starts.    It's pretty complicated and I am still learning myself.  It has to do with the earth moving up to the fourth and fifth dimensions.  People who are prepared spiritually can use this light/energy to move up spiritually, have more abilities and be connected to the cosmos/god.  In the source field we are all connected.
The pineal gland/third eye is connected to this energy/spiritual side and so are the energy centers in your body (chakras).  Maybe that's why the egyptians and other spiritual leaders of ancient times had those "disks" on their heads !    This is just a short summary.  You can go on DivineCosmos.com,  Alienleaks.org,  TheGalacticFederationofLight.org and find out about this.   Also their is DNA repair,ascension 2012,light bodies

Anyway Gymnned I am certainly no expert on the pineal gland.  I am just learning it.  I also heard that it can be damaged by chemicals, water, bad food and especially flouride.  Flouride causes calcification.  This is what I read in several places.  David Wilcock has a whole chapter or more about the Pineal Gland and how it may work.  It seems pretty important, and there are ornaments and statues of the pinecone everywhere in the Vatican and other places.  The pinecone shape represents this gland.

Love

I don't know exactly how the capstone would work or how the pyramids really work.  I've seen in different videos the energy fields surrounding and on earth.  The pyramids and other structures were built in key energy points so obviously they knew what they were doing.  Even churches and other structures are built along these points.  The Bermuda Triangle is an example of an energy vortex of some kind.  That's why ships get lost there.  There is also a big energy spot in Tibet where the spiritual leaders are.

Obviously, the powers that be would want to prevent this knowledge.  They don't want to lose power. 

Go on SpiritScience on Youtube.  There are videos about the history of earth and how ancient beings used these energy vortexes and built structures etc.

Love





Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: AnaMarcia on December 29, 2011, 02:18:43 PM
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"And now (drum roll) … we are at the final level—level number 7!  (7 represents completion)". 

 

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Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: GINAFELICIA on December 29, 2011, 03:06:26 PM
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“The truth will prevail!”  For those who are not prejudice, and are willing to examine the evidence carefully, the true Ark will stand out in striking contrast to any and all fake arks.

I've studied the "blueprint" of the ark again as it is written in the Bible and IMO the ark doesn't have so many decorations as we see in most of the pictures found on google. It only has a gold molding around it as a decoration on the upper side.
To me the ark is simpler than represented in those images. IMO none of them is accurate.
I find it interesting that TS knows that the true Ark will stand out in striking contrast to the fakes but I believe TS is right.

I am not sure about the 4 rings,. maybe Souza is right and they have to be placed under the ark, not on the sides, just to secure the balance. I'm not sure about this.

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  In fact, did you know that the number seven is one of the main keys to unlock the mystery of the true Ark?  Did you know that seven will be God’s most important number in the final battle between good and evil?

This is very interesting/puzzling. Is there a mystery of the true ark that has to be unlocked? I really don't understand what you mean here TS.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: veronicafall on December 29, 2011, 03:35:59 PM
@Gina, not knowing which one is the true ark from all those imitations could be the mystery TS is refering to.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: GINAFELICIA on December 29, 2011, 04:08:49 PM
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@Gina, not knowing which one is the true ark from all those imitations could be the mystery TS is refering to.

You could be right but it can also be interpreted another way, maybe the mystery of how could God come and sit with His people only through this ark....I don't know, reading about it made me think wow, what a great promise God made to them - that He will stay with them.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: veronicafall on December 29, 2011, 04:49:56 PM
:) I don't believe in the physical existance of the old ark of the covenant, not after all these thousands of years, so any news about its recurrence I would take it as a hoax.
What's so important with this box anyway? Yes, it is important its content,  the 10 laws carved in stone, but why is it THAT important the aspect of the box/ ark?!! Seems not logical for me.
Anyway, my opinion is that JESUS represents the NEW ark of the covenant, he is the LIVING ARK, (the true ark as TS calls it) cause he wrote God's laws on people's hearts, not on stone. 
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: AllThatIs...LOVE on December 29, 2011, 04:54:48 PM
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I'm just going to speculate so here goes.  As I understand it, the Ark is used as a means of communicating directly to God.  And now the Ark is gone and, presumably, our ability to speak directly to God is gone.  I believe this is true for most of us most of the time, if not all of us all of the time, with few exception.  God has left us here to figure it out for ourselves, to willingly choose LOVE over fear, to continue to believe when there is no evidence in God's existence, and to have the freedom to choose our own path.  If the Ark were here and we could communicate directly with God and know his wishes for us, etc., the game would be over. 

Everything I've read about Michael leads me to believe that he is in direct communication with his God.  He has the confidence to lead the way for all of us, his only weapon the knowledge that God is in his heart (as he is in all of ours if we knew how to access it).  We are all like dogs chasing our tails.  Michael has come along and is leading the way out, because unlike the rest of us, his eyes have been opened completely where we, if we are lucky, only have periodic glimpses. 

God, like Mr. V, has allowed us to play the game of separation, so that we could walk on our own, make choices and confront our fears.  Is Michael the 'Ark' that will carry us across?  Is it just about Game Over time?  Michael has shown us in so many ways what it is like to live in God's world....with humor, enthusiasm, LOVE, courage, compassion, etc.

This is so beautifully written and elegantly stated, Gwynned.  I'm very moved and I feel spiritually alive reading all of the comments on this thread. All of them.  Even those that have made me angry, but as Michael reminds us, WE ARE ONE.  And that's profound.  I've read from this site since the beginning in 2009, but I am officially registering with it recently.  The ups and downs in this strong, little, diverse, thoughtful, fiercely passionate community, looms large.

It's pleasing that you all did not abandon this thread. Perhaps this is 7c level.  It is certainly a most profound, awakening topic -- to discuss the Ark and what it is/where it is.  To me, it's akin to asking where is your soul located and how is this related to Michael Jackson?   That's deep.   I don't think we're just discussing personal beliefs and interpretations.  I see it as research and investigation.  We have to first start with our thoughts, opinions and the information we find that attracts us.  Then we share it, deconstruct, reconstruct, construct.  All in the name of helping us sift through every possible angle (the back, the front and the ribbed edge!), to understand how the various clues TS gives us relate to Michael, the hoax, and what I hope/pray will be a come back in the flesh. (I'm already observing the TAKE OVER!)
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I woke up at 3 a.m. the other night and couldn't go back to sleep so I turned on the radio.  To my great surprise, a guest on a talk show was discussing the Ark..  Unfortunately, I was hearing the end of the discussion and the last statement was, "it would be dangerous to find the original physical ark."  The guest was Graham Hancock.  In researching him I'm now reading a great book called "The Master Game".  This book is fab.  Please check it out.

Dontwalkaway: you inspire me.  I love the way you think, question, search.   I too feel the 4th/5th dimensions of consciousness are vitally essential to understand.  There are actually 12 dimensions. WOW


"God Dwells With Us."


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Michael Jackson: Spiritual Messenger Hiding in Plain Sight
 
There are those rare visionaries who come along, maybe a few every millennia: the Bodhisattvas of the world. They are usually empaths who begin in childhood to literally feel the pain of the world and make vows to the cosmos early in life to change or improve it. They go about spreading awareness and mobilizing forces for change in order to make the world a better place. Counted among them are: Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., Mother Theresa, John Lennon, Lady Diana Spencer, His Holiness the Dalai Lama, Mattie Stepanek, Nelson Mandela and a little Moonwalker.

The most famous man on earth literally stopped the world and the Internet when he became immortal on June 25, 2009. Michael Jackson was such a one— a cheerleader for humanity and a force for coalescing compassion and mobilizing global forces for change, philanthropy and social reform. A global messenger, Michael’s rise to stardom afforded him visibility and a worldwide platform from which to broadcast his message. His boldness and artistry garnered attention and Michael knew how to get attention. When he pulled enough people in and had everybody’s attention—he emphatically delivered the message. It was cloaked in a form that everyone could understand—the universal language of music.

As a child, he acutely felt the pain of the world and especially the world’s children. Michael’s words in his book Dancing the Dream reveal a thread of spirituality and mysticism rare for one so young. His body of work is filled with myth, metaphor and musical and visual story that encodes a stunning spiritual message for the human race. One has to look closely and deeper for the real message: his Ghost short film holds a jaw dropping message about humanity, mirror and shadow.
 
His Man in the Mirror song written by Siedah Garrett, became a Gandhi-esque anthem for a generation. He donated 100% of the proceeds of that song to charity as he did with many of his concerts including the Victory Tour with his brothers. Man in the Mirror encourages self reflection and mastery and being the change you wish to see in the world: “I’m starting with the man in the mirror; I’m asking him to change his ways; no message could have been any clearer; if you want to make the world a better place, take a look at yourself and make a change.”

Michael also produced They Don’t Care about Us and other songs to address police brutality and mistreatment by authority. His song and video Black or White changed minds and advanced racial equality and multicultural diversity. His We are the World composition with Lionel Richie and accompanying video gathered 39 of the most visible faces on earth to raise millions to save lives in Africa. Heal the World was sung by children around the globe and at the 1993 Super Bowl halftime show where the whole stadium became a collage of earth’s children of all races and ethnic origins. Michael was the impetus behind Live Aid, Band Aid and he is responsible for starting the trend for musicians and celebrities to engage in fundraising and philanthropy.

His environmental anthem and epic music video Earth Song, was a prominent feature of his planned comeback concert This Is It. Earth Song carries the message that we must become not only custodians but stewards of the planet or risk destroying or losing it. His spiritual messages in the form of self-reflection, commitment and action boldly took on: racism, inequality, war, poverty, gangs, illicit drugs, apathy, the misuse of power, evil, at risk youth, education, family bonds and a host of contemporary social issues. Videos of Earth Song Live can be found on You Tube stunningly raw in their emotion and stark in their message.
 
Michael’s Don’t Stop till You get Enough is about the Force featured in Star Wars by George Lucas; he was a fan of both Lucas and Spielberg and he understood the concept of The Force, an intuitive conscious energy that permeates creation. He often said it was that intuitive energy, Force, or God who wrote his lyrics, performed and worked through him. He denied his own genius saying that his creativity and power didn’t come from him but through him. He writes about it Dancing the Dream. The last album Michael produced, Invincible included Cry, a song about us—meaning humanity the collective, being the chosen one and needing some kind of sign that we are: ‘on it’… the mission to change the world and create a better version of the human.
 
Michael’s international concerts featured a military tank screaming onto stage and a soldier who lays down his weapon for a child who extends an offering of peace. He organized concerts at the world’s troubled spots like the demilitarized zone between North and South Korea asking his promoters to send him where he was needed. He teamed up with Pavarotti in benefits for the Warchild organization to help children in Kosovo and Guatemala. He organized a series of benefit concerts in Germany and Korea. He recruited Slash, The Scorpions, Boyz II Men, Luther Vandross, Mariah Carey, A. R. Rahman, Prabhu Deva Sundaram, Shobana Chandrakumar, Andrea Bocelli and Luciano Pavarotti for the Michael Jackson and Friends concerts. The proceeds were donated to the Nelson Mandela Children's Fund, the Red Cross and UNESCO.

After the 9/11 terrorist attack in New York City, Michael Jackson helped organize the United We Stand: What More Can I Give benefit concert at RFK Stadium in Washington, D.C., which aired on October 21, 2001 and included dozens of major artists. His song What More Can I Give was written for the benefit and he donated it to the 9/11 families. He founded the Michael Jackson Burn Center at Culver City Memorial Hospital in California. Attending President Clinton’s inauguration, he asked for more funding for AIDS research after Ryan White, another child he had befriended, died from the disease. Michael Jackson is listed in the Guinness World Book of Records as supporting the most charities of any entertainer—thirty nine of them. He met with heads of state and marched with armies round the world. The arm band he wore every day on his sleeve was homage to children and he vowed to wear it until there were no more wars on the planet and no more hungry children. His taped fingers were to remind him and us that there were still injured and suffering children in the world.
 
Michael, while on tour, would visit orphanages and hospitals in the countries where he played to concert audiences. He often met with leaders and if he found deplorable conditions during his visits, he would threaten to cancel a concert unless the conditions improved within 24 hours. No one ever ignored his demands for it would likely have caused citizen revolts. There are also hundreds of stories from people who were personally contacted by Michael Jackson. After a sniper opened fire at Cleveland Elementary School in Stockton, California, Michael called the local sheriff to request an escort from the airport to the school to visit the children; Dave Dave was a child who was badly burned when his father doused him with kerosene and lit him on fire and Michael, upon hearing the story, insisted on meeting and befriending him; Bela Farcas needed a liver transplant when Michael met him at Bethesda Hospital in Budapest so Michael paid for his new liver; he funded burials for children whose families couldn’t afford them and in one case, he sent his sequined jacket and a glove for the child to be buried in; he donated clothing and belongings for fundraisers and was the recipient of humanitarian awards too many to mention during his life and more since the recognition of his contributions since his death.
 
For decades, his Neverland Valley Ranch hosted monthly guest vacations, whether he was there or traveling, for children who were: gravely ill, inner city, handicapped, poor, at risk youth, gang affiliated, disenfranchised and disillusioned. The video for his famous Beat It featured real gang members Michael recruited—the Crips and the Bloods who collaborated to film it; the two groups had never before cooperated on anything except violence. His work with children was legion and very dear to his heart. Twice during his career, his celebrity, wealth and deep pockets brought accusers and accusations into his life—of improprieties with children. The accusations hurt him deeply and were later proven false and attempts to extort money from him. Although found innocent, the ordeal of his 2005 trial had harmed his reputation and was deeply wounding causing him to never host children at his fantasy ranch, nor live there again. He left his home feeling it had been sullied irreversibly by unscrupulous accusers and underhanded law enforcement personnel. He would never again sleep in his bedroom, in fact sleeping at all became rare; his sleep problems escalated and eventually led to his untimely and eerie death.
 
Most of Jackson’s work asks us to be emissaries of change and the evolution of human consciousness. The man leaves in his wake, an unparalleled humanitarian legacy, planetary midwifery and the alchemical power of the Bodhisattva used to enhance humanity and the planet. Using voice, magic, majesty, artistry, dance, mystery, sensuality, musical genius, enchantment and colossal talent to get their attention, pull people in, and marshal forces to deliver his message Michael trumpeted the message: Heal the world, make it a better place; make that change and change the world.”

If one digs underneath the hype, sensationalism and medialoid portrayal of Jackson, one finds a visionary and true humanitarian. If one looks beyond the label of “crazed” attributed to his fans, one finds mostly intelligent, thoughtful people who quite possibly are the greatest legacy he left this world. As the world’s most famous and visible global humanitarian and cheerleader, he leaves behind a worldwide family of 250 million admirers who are taking his teachings seriously. Michael always said his fans were his legacy. Many in the media have given them a cursory dismissal because of the “fan” label. But they got the message and they mean to be the change they want to see in the world and make it a better place. They are an army of humanitarians who are being the change. They mobilize themselves and resources for causes like the earthquakes in Haiti and Chile and others. They got Michael’s message and are weaving it into their lives.

Perhaps it’s time Michael Jackson is recognized for who he really was and not for the media frenzied and tabloid portrayal that pandered to a sophomoric public drunk and fixated on the cult of celebrity. His genius is there for anyone who wants to take a closer look, who wants the truth and not the tabloid caricature version. If he were recognized for his real accomplishments we would see an unappreciated visionary and genius, a spiritual teacher among us who was hiding in plain sight and masquerading as a Moonwalking Maker of Magic. If you feel impelled at all to take a closer look you may find your mouth agape and your surprise staggering. And you might even come to understand the Force that was Michael Jackson; then the real legend continues.

(c) Barbara Kaufmann -- One Wordsmith

He that dwelleth in the secret place of the Most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. 
Psalm 91


Yes, GinaFelicia, the truth is always simple, eventhough it's sometimes hard to see/find/ accept.  Thank God for FAITH.   

Happy 2012!

Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: SimPattyK on December 29, 2011, 04:59:04 PM
I just wanna post some smileys to GINA & MJONMIND for making my day
with some of their posts...

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Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 29, 2011, 08:59:00 PM
Thankyou AllthatIs.....Love.   I just keep searching but it is "an adventure,  a great adventure."   I've seen something about the 12 dimensions somewhere but I don't really understand what they all are.    That article you posted about Michael being a spiritual messenger in plain sight is beautiful.    Yes, to me that is what he has become.


Love

 
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: wishingstar on December 29, 2011, 10:03:23 PM
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He surely didn't NEED it to communicate with anyone....cause He did that prior to the Ark's creation.  Likewise, He wouldn't have needed it to 'protect' anyone or destroy anything....His power extends way beyond the Ark.  I guess what confuses me in trying to see the logic in all this is the fact that IF it was God's will that this Ark be created in the first place....He HAD to know how revered such an 'object' would become.  To this day, it has remained one of the most mysterious and sought after 'relics'/objects known to mankind.  I can just imagine such an 'object' being presented to the world today and the millions of people that would bow down to it (bow down to a 'material object').  Yet, according to Scripture....God warned against 'idolizing' ANY objects.  So, on the one hand (if we follow the presumption that He gave the people what they wanted)...He instructed them to make an 'object' that would be their earthly 'proof' of His existence...while at the same time, condemning such a practise.  Or am I not understanding something or missing something (which may very well be possible...I am definitely not an expert on the Bible or the Ark)?
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It just seems to me that IF it was God who instructed that this Ark be built (something I'm not completely sure about, and may never be...whether or not it did come from God---although I tend to believe that the people DID believe the instructions were from God)....that it was some sort of a 'test' to see if they would 'idolize' it when the very 'laws' it housed forbade it.  If so, they failed the test....and we are still failing today.


OK....second try at posting this....first one wiped out, lol........

Wow....amazing thoughts on this BTC.  We are truly failing at things each and every day....yet God still preservers and loves us anyways.  Much like the adoration fans have for Michael, I'd say.  To idolize anyone or anything is clearly wrong, and Michael knows this fully.  What must he think when millions of people do just that TO HIM.  I wouldn't want to be idolized so much....cared for, loved....sure, but not idolized.  Yes, God told people to build the Ark and he gave them/us free will....and we screwed it up.  False idols, false adoration of objects put in front of us......how many religious symbols are, in fact, idolized?  Many.  God must shake his head everyday.  We just don't get it most of the time.  I am with you BTC.....I too hope I am not offending in any such way....never the intent.  I really believe Michael must see this idolization by fans of himself as such a negative towards God and all things truly Holy.  He is a very religious person...it's been said here, stated for years...this I do believe.  Perhaps he was trying to reach the masses through his music, his dance.....and it all backfired.  Instead of driving people toward God and toward peace, it turned people into maniacal drones of gold pant worshippers.  (Gina, stay with me....focus girl, lol....nothing but love for you always)  It's been said here about how Michael used his sex appeal on stage.....well yes he did, quite well too.  I am forever curious to know the true story of the famous "crotch grab" or some of the more suggestive moves.  Unlike Madonna, I really doubt it was all for shock value.  Michael does everything for a precision result....he's a perfectionist remember.  Shock value was covered already by the Glam Rockers, Madonna, etc.  Was it to push the boundaries of idolization...to see how far people would go?  Was it to gain a following for the wrong reasons...sort of a natural selection process.  Who knows.  I can't imagine the world Michael had to live in.  With a heart has huge as his, he must have felt like caged animal for so long.  I would have for sure.  It's no wonder he became so well read, so knowledgable on so many subjects.
Anyways, does any of this make sense?  Or, am I so far out on this limb I might as well jump off?
OK...jumping off now.
BTC....great post

Blessings Always







Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Tink on December 30, 2011, 12:46:18 AM
I might have a possible answer to the crotch grab, being someone in the "industry." No, I'm not a star - just someone who's made living wages, blah, blah, blah.

When we sing, imagine that the g is the single most important thing, in that it works as a bellows, in pushing the air out of our lungs. In order to not strip your vocal cords when you sing, we are taught to basically use what is called a "head voice." Like, imagine the voice timber is going through the top of our head, and our sinuses are vibrating like the dickens, I tell you. 20 minutes of warm-up, to get everything relaxed, then we can move on to practice. You don't go full out, unless you're heading for the stage.

As for the diaphragm, that has to be really strong! So lots of walking and sit-ups (blah). If you have a high note coming up, some of us have discovered that you can push the LOWEST part of the diaphragm, to get those notes, without them sounding like whistles. Perhaps it looked cool in the mirror, I don't know.

But that's what I think contributed to it, the "wooo-hooos," and other high notes. Being a gal, I can just drop one hand and gently push, like a corset, and get the resistance. I think if I did a crotch grab, I'd look silly.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: MJonmind on December 30, 2011, 02:29:50 AM
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Dontwalkaway
Thanks Gwynned.  That is a great interpretation that you found.  I saw other interpretations where it is thought that the bible is talking about the body.  Maybe the old ark is the cap stone for the great pyramid in egypt.  And the new ark of the covenant is represented by our pineal gland.  This is the gland responsible for spirituality, increased connection to the source field energy, increased consciousness.  God had an agreement to restore our divinity.  This also goes along with what Allthatis ....love said about the ark being us.
 
 The ancients civilizations knew how to work with this source field energy.  There are energy spots/vortexes around the earth and a lot of them have ancient structures like pyramids and religious structures.  They knew how to channel this energy and channel light.   It is thought that the pyramid with capstone represents our pineal gland. 

 
 Maybe the pyramids can be put back together to start the energy fields working again ?  Maybe we will have this energy starting on 12/21/12 or near that date.  That is when the new age of aquarius starts.  We are supposed to be getting more and more photon energy sent to earth.  We get more and more energy as we are getting closer to the center of the milky way.  We  will be right in the center on or near 12/21/12.  This goes along with measurements on the pyramid and other ancient calendars/prophecies.   It is also going along with Modern, recent calculations by astronomers.
 
 I am just guessing but maybe the physical ark is the capstone or contains the capstone, and maybe those Ankhs the egyptians used to transfer energy are the "rods".  Maybe you need the rod or the ANKHS to use the pyramids ??????  Those Ankhs they used seem important.  Also, a symbol Michael and others used.   
 
 If the energy fields are improved on earth then maybe our pineal glands can work better.  Maybe all of us will have a higher spirituality/consciousness.  The powers that be definitely do not want us to have that !!!!!!!!!
 
 Well, even if it has nothing to do with the ark, the pineal gland and the source field, chakras (energy centers going up body) are very important.  There's David Wilcock's book, The Source Field Investigations and others.


Interesting!  Here’s my post on the capstone of the Great pyramid and MJ, from the Back thread.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=5167.msg380013#msg380013 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=5167.msg380013#msg380013)


gwynned, do you have any info how MJ might be connected the making of The Green Beautiful? I can’t find any. Anyone?  I watched the trailer, and it looks so Michaelish, but I see nothing on the web but your post!  :cry: :D


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He surely didn't NEED it to communicate with anyone....cause He did that prior to the Ark's creation.  Likewise, He wouldn't have needed it to 'protect' anyone or destroy anything....His power extends way beyond the Ark.  I guess what confuses me in trying to see the logic in all this is the fact that IF it was God's will that this Ark be created in the first place....He HAD to know how revered such an 'object' would become.  To this day, it has remained one of the most mysterious and sought after 'relics'/objects known to mankind.  I can just imagine such an 'object' being presented to the world today and the millions of people that would bow down to it (bow down to a 'material object').  Yet, according to Scripture....God warned against 'idolizing' ANY objects.  So, on the one hand (if we follow the presumption that He gave the people what they wanted)...He instructed them to make an 'object' that would be their earthly 'proof' of His existence...while at the same time, condemning such a practise.  Or am I not understanding something or missing something (which may very well be possible...I am definitely not an expert on the Bible or the Ark)?
 
 It just seems to me that IF it was God who instructed that this Ark be built (something I'm not completely sure about, and may never be...whether or not it did come from God---although I tend to believe that the people DID believe the instructions were from God)....that it was some sort of a 'test' to see if they would 'idolize' it when the very 'laws' it housed forbade it.  If so, they failed the test....and we are still failing today.



Bingo!  Not only was the Garden of Eden forbidden fruit a set-up test they were expected to fail, this Ark to be NOT worshipped was also a set-up to fail.  This real or false rectangular ark will end up being the Abomination of Desolation to bring on wide-spread destruction on earth.  But the Messiah replacement or new covanent that the Ark’s purpose was, will lead us into the new Age/Aion, reigning with a rod of iron and peace. IMO

Thank you so much for the link to the Great Pyramid facts that, in my mind, relate to MJ.  He will be the capstone. IMO  If the veil is taken from the eyes of those waiting for Jesus, they could see the fulfillment right before their eyes.  But all will happen according to God's timing.  He controls everything; it's all beautiful and amazing! All for L.O.V.E.

Thanks! (  http://www.prepare-ye-the-way.com/greatpyramid1.htm (http://www.prepare-ye-the-way.com/greatpyramid1.htm)  ) The coffer the same dimensions as the Ark!  Wow!
   
SimPattyK  -  Right back atcha!  bearhug :)


Austalian MJ BeLIEver, you're right, those are the olive branches of peace, not angel wings, on the "impersonator's" shirt!  Oops! :oops: ;D
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: GINAFELICIA on December 30, 2011, 02:34:52 AM
Tink if you are right all singers should grab it...and they don't.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: MJonmind on December 30, 2011, 02:57:45 AM
Only one is allowed! 
 mj_bad/


Absolutely NO ONE  else! :evil: :lol:
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: gwynned on December 30, 2011, 09:26:23 AM
MJonmind wrote: 

gwynned, do you have any info how MJ might be connected the making of The Green Beautiful? I can’t find any. Anyone?  I watched the trailer, and it looks so Michaelish, but I see nothing on the web but your post!  :cry: :D

Unfortunately, I have little to offer other than by way of heresay.  So for what it's worth, Pedleylife1, who did some hoax videos early on, but appears to have vacated the scene at least for the moment, was my first 'friend' within the hoax.  She/he seemed to know quite a bit and when she/he suggested I watch the movie, mentioned that 'it was rumored at the time' that Michael had 'something to do with it.' 

It's perhaps irresponsible to pass on so flimsy a rumor, but, as you say, the movie seems to 'Michaelish,' I feel strongly in my heart that he was involved in it.  The humor is definitely in his style.

Here's a comment from someone else about this movie which has been called an 'awakening' movie. 

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Comment from an imdb user:
``Did you ever wonder why the floor under your feet, in the place where you live are covered with a gray material and you can’t see the soil? Why this floor is full of poop? Why are there boxes of metal emitting gases that you must breath? Why you live in high cages, forced to hear the noise of these metal boxes? Why you’re driving them and not using your feet, causing you to eventually have heart attack, if you won’t die earlier from cancer from the gases, or an accident with the fast moving boxes? Why you eat corpses of animals? Why you use pieces of paper entitling you to any value, without which you won’t have nothing, not even food? Why you eat unhealthy food? Why you’re sitting every evening watching a box showing people telling lies, and dirtying your mind? Why do you let yourself be led by fat selfish people caring only about themselves, their money and power, why don’t we really listen to each other, talk to each other, why do we have these hierarchies, in which the stupidiest, incapable ones rule, control and exploit the goodness and capable weaker ones? Why we go about doing wrong immoral things just because we’re being told, why we we’re constantly mad, worried and frustrated with such small trivial things, like a scratch in the mirror of our cars and never see, appreciate and thank the beautiful wonderful life, nature and world that sorrounds and support us? Why we ruin the world, poison ourselves, live in ugliness, support the rich selfish people exploiting us, selling us lies, tobbaco, weapons & arms, killing people with the money that we’re forced to pay them as taxes?
If you haven’t wondered on all this, its because you’re like an ant, small cell in the super-organisma and can’t see beyond your cell’s vision. What you need is to be disconnected, shocked by artists such as Coline Serreau, that have a vision that you don’t have, consciousness, different from that of the ants. such artists, like Jesus & Johann Sebastian Bach, cause the world to change, the super-organism to evolve into something more intelligent, more good for its cells, that are given life.``
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115650/

What other artist seeks to shock the world????  I cannot recommend this movie enough, if for no other reason than that it's witty and illuminating, heartwarming but not cloying, deeply meaningful but light hearted......  I PROMISE you, you will LOVE this movie.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 30, 2011, 07:13:51 PM
MJonMind Wow is right.  So you said the coffer or sarcaphagus has the same dimemsions as the ark !!!!

Remember in the Documentary that Michael did years ago with Martin Bashir that everyone is complaining about ?  I didn't like it either but I do remember them going to the Luxor, and looking at the Sarcaphagus !!!!
Now, do you think that this was a coincidence !!!    All these references to the pyramid, Sarcaphogus, and "I would like to live forever".  Yes, when Martin asked him if he would like to be buried in something like that, he said "No, I would like to live forever" or something to that effect !!!!!!!   

We really have to think "Back" and listen.  Michael is truly a genius !!!!!  So now I think that the Sarcaphogus is a big clue, especially since it has the same dimensions as the ark. 

I'm still wondering how this would all relate to the capstone measurements. 

So the egyptians believed or studied resurrection.  I wonder if the capstone is put on, then whatever is in the Sarcaphogus would be able to be "RESURRECTED" !!!!!!!!!!  Or would it work for them without the capstone, or did it really work at all ???????

Maybe you have to wait for the right day and be lined up with the right stars.  They said where are in the section of the Kings Chamber now.  Waiting for the lamb to come !!!!!!!

Wow,  This gets more exciting and interesting every day.        Love
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: suesuzzfaithkeeper on December 30, 2011, 07:27:07 PM
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Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 30, 2011, 07:49:51 PM
Does anyone remember if he bought the Saracaphagus at that store ?    He thought it was beautiful art.    Was it Gold ?   What were the decorations on it ????   I'll see if I can find a picture or video somewhere.  Does anyone have anything ?????

  bearhug

 
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: paula-c on December 30, 2011, 08:26:04 PM
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Few if any objects in the history of mankind have been regarded with more sacredness and mystery, than the Ark of the Covenant.  And surely if there is any object on planet earth that God can and will control at the end of time, it is the Ark of the Covenant.  But the devil knows this, so he will have one or more counterfeit arks to confuse people.  Then if we want to be on the right side of the final battle between good and evil: we must STUDY the true Ark, and know it so well that none of the counterfeits will lead us astray {http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=%22ark+of+the+covenant%22&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g4g-m1}.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnEXGRAR7yk&feature=player_embedded#!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnEXGRAR7yk&feature=player_embedded#![/youtube]














JUNE 27, 2011

words of the Pope :

"return to Jerusalem and "build" the Temple of the Lord"


I do not know yet if the intention of TS is to see the deception that it will be,subjected the world with the ark of the covenant and the construction of the third temple, i believe that the world will be deceived, built an ark (instructions are in the Bible ) and be submitted to the world.

To read the Bible to understand it. This will not be a temple for God, according to the Scriptures, there he will sit on that pass by him, that is to say the anti-Christ! Many will be deceived, starting with the Jewish people, and until the people of God itself

That has to see Benedict? He is a part of that group that will enforce the New World Order

Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Tink on December 30, 2011, 08:47:29 PM
 Has anyone been following the found Ark of the Covenant, brought to light in Ethiopia, back in 6/26/09, Greenwich Time, (or British Time for those who don't know)?

As of Dec. 5th, They're now saying the Meter long Ark must be moved, due to a leaky roof for the first time in forever soon! Only one holy man's allowed to see it, or those who aren't up to his level, the skin will allegedly burn off: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2069765/Ark-Covenant-revealed-leaking-roof-Ethiopian-chapel.html#ixzz1fclBGIrV

I would think they could "safely" videotape it, if it's the real deal, so the entire world can come together.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 30, 2011, 08:50:10 PM
Okay, so all I can say right now is "OH SNAP" !!!!!  This can't be just another coincidence can it ?????

I went on google and right away there was a clip of the Martin Bashir documentary "Living with Michael Jackson".  It was the "exact" clip I was trying to remember.  And guess what else,  It was put on by the ITV television industry on July, 16 2009.  They have clips on there from TV.     Why this special clip ??????I don't think it is just a coincidence.  He wanted us to see it !!!!!!  That's just my opinion right now.

He did buy the Sarcaphagus, and it is gold.  It has the shape and design of King Tut's body.  It is King Tutankamen's Sarcaphagus.   You can see the shape of feet, arms on it.

I will try to put on the link of this clip.  If it doesn't work you can type in google and it comes right up.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/video/2009/jul/15/michael-jackson-itv-martin-bashir

Happy Investigating !!!!!!!    /woohoo/     
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: BeTheChange on December 30, 2011, 09:02:56 PM
@dontwalkaway...your enthusiasm is infectious, I love it!

Hmmm...if memory serves me correctly, there was talk about a water 'leak' at Carolwood lol

Happy hunting  beerchug

With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 30, 2011, 09:34:14 PM
BeTheChange,

What was the meaning of the "water"leak ?   I think "water" is important in this because the age of aquarius is coming and the symbol is a man carrying a jug of water.   There have been many references to water.  I wonder if you needed that in the pyramids, for the mummies or something ???  Jesus was alive during the age of pisces meaning fish.  The story is that he completed miracles with the fish and bread.  So it follows that in the age of aquarius we should expect some kind of miracle using water doesn't it ???

Also on that show "Living with Michael Jackson", He bought a painting "Bathing Apollo".    That also has to do with water.  The girls were giving Apollo a bath.  He's a greek god right ?   What is the story about Apollo ?
He also bought a globe and a whole lot of furniture,table,vases, art, etc.  So, I'm beginning to think all that was done for a reason.  And Martin said "Do you have enough room for all this at Neverland ? and he said  yes, It was for another house.  (And I kept thinking you mean pyramid).    I only watched a few clips and that happened to be on there.

Love 
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: hesouttamylife on December 30, 2011, 09:38:56 PM
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MJonMind Wow is right.  So you said the coffer or sarcaphagus has the same dimemsions as the ark !!!!

Remember in the Documentary that Michael did years ago with Martin Bashir that everyone is complaining about ?  I didn't like it either but I do remember them going to the Luxor, and looking at the Sarcaphagus !!!!
Now, do you think that this was a coincidence !!!    All these references to the pyramid, Sarcaphogus, and "I would like to live forever".  Yes, when Martin asked him if he would like to be buried in something like that, he said "No, I would like to live forever" or something to that effect !!!!!!!   

We really have to think "Back" and listen.  Michael is truly a genius !!!!!  So now I think that the Sarcaphogus is a big clue, especially since it has the same dimensions as the ark. 

I'm still wondering how this would all relate to the capstone measurements. 

So the egyptians believed or studied resurrection.  I wonder if the capstone is put on, then whatever is in the Sarcaphogus would be able to be "RESURRECTED" !!!!!!!!!!  Or would it work for them without the capstone, or did it really work at all ???????

Maybe you have to wait for the right day and be lined up with the right stars.  They said where are in the section of the Kings Chamber now.  Waiting for the lamb to come !!!!!!!

Wow,  This gets more exciting and interesting every day.        Love

That scene is from the Living W/Michael Jackson Bashir mockumentary.  I have the whole thing on dvd.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMiexC4tC_A&feature=related[/youtube]
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: bec on December 30, 2011, 10:00:02 PM
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Only one holy man's allowed to see it, or those who aren't up to his level, the skin will allegedly burn off: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2069765/Ark-Covenant-revealed-leaking-roof-Ethiopian-chapel.html#ixzz1fclBGIrV

I would think they could "safely" videotape it, if it's the real deal, so the entire world can come together.

Oh I call serious BS on that one.

Perhaps they should check it for radioactivity then.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: suesuzzfaithkeeper on December 30, 2011, 10:37:03 PM
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Only one holy man's allowed to see it, or those who aren't up to his level, the skin will allegedly burn off: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2069765/Ark-Covenant-revealed-leaking-roof-Ethiopian-chapel.html#ixzz1fclBGIrV

I would think they could "safely" videotape it, if it's the real deal, so the entire world can come together.

Oh I call serious BS on that one.

Perhaps they should check it for radioactivity then.
oh bec!! that was good!! lolol/
so sorry but i bout peed on myself n spit out my sip of water i was just drinking afraid/..don't worry bec don't beat around the subject do as you always do and tell us how you really feel respect/...mad respect to you..love it!! lolol/ not mocking anyone point on anything..just never heard of such.... ;)bluntbec ;) either you love her or you don't..i do..lol :lol:
huggs n love n faith to you.. bearhug
suzz
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 30, 2011, 10:50:17 PM
So here are some links for pictures of the Sarcaphagus and King Tut.

   I saw on one of them that the Pharoah Ahkenaten and Queen Neferteri were King Tut's  parents.  This matches the "Remember The Time" Video and song ?  And Michael looks like he is dressed like King Tut, with gold "wings" on his chest.  And in the booklet with the Dangerous CD is a picture of queen neferteri, and the pharoah and michael dressed as an egyptian.   In the booklet that comes with Michael Jackson's Vision (videos) is the same picture.  But in that video weren't they talking about Ramses ?  I don't know, I'll have to watch it again.   There are wings, and a face and feet on the sarcaphogus.    Also, there is a statue in a museum  that people say resembles Michael.  But they also showed one for Barack Obama and Michele Obama.

Here are the links:  http://blogs.denverpost.com/captured/2010/02/17/new-king-tut-secrets-revealed/666/

http://www.google.com/search?q=photos+and+illustrations+king+tut&hl=en&rlz=1G1ACGW-ENVS465&prmd=imvns&tbm=ish&tbo=V&source=univ&sa=X&ei=n

If they don't work you can try google. A lot of pictures and articles come up.

Love

Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on December 30, 2011, 11:07:21 PM
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Only one holy man's allowed to see it, or those who aren't up to his level, the skin will allegedly burn off: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2069765/Ark-Covenant-revealed-leaking-roof-Ethiopian-chapel.html#ixzz1fclBGIrV

I would think they could "safely" videotape it, if it's the real deal, so the entire world can come together.

Oh I call serious BS on that one.

Perhaps they should check it for radioactivity then.

agree... i think that this myth about the ark has been misinterpreted from a scripture in exodus.34:29-35

scripute explains that when moses returrned from mount sanai in the presence of god, his skin was aglow and emmitting rays. (meaning that he was illuminated from being in the presence of god)


i think that people claiming that they cant show the 'ark' that they 'claim' to have found because it will 'fry' your skin - is an excuse to control people without having to present proof.

hogwash!
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: wishingstar on December 30, 2011, 11:58:08 PM
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@dontwalkaway...your enthusiasm is infectious, I love it!

Hmmm...if memory serves me correctly, there was talk about a water 'leak' at Carolwood lol

Happy hunting  beerchug

With L.O.V.E. always.


Hope this helps:

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=742.msg11014#msg11014
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: GINAFELICIA on December 31, 2011, 12:07:06 AM
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MJonMind Wow is right.  So you said the coffer or sarcaphagus has the same dimemsions as the ark !!!!

Remember in the Documentary that Michael did years ago with Martin Bashir that everyone is complaining about ?  I didn't like it either but I do remember them going to the Luxor, and looking at the Sarcaphagus !!!!
Now, do you think that this was a coincidence !!!    All these references to the pyramid, Sarcaphogus, and "I would like to live forever".  Yes, when Martin asked him if he would like to be buried in something like that, he said "No, I would like to live forever" or something to that effect !!!!!!!   

We really have to think "Back" and listen.  Michael is truly a genius !!!!!  So now I think that the Sarcaphogus is a big clue, especially since it has the same dimensions as the ark. 

I'm still wondering how this would all relate to the capstone measurements. 

So the egyptians believed or studied resurrection.  I wonder if the capstone is put on, then whatever is in the Sarcaphogus would be able to be "RESURRECTED" !!!!!!!!!!  Or would it work for them without the capstone, or did it really work at all ???????

Maybe you have to wait for the right day and be lined up with the right stars.  They said where are in the section of the Kings Chamber now.  Waiting for the lamb to come !!!!!!!

Wow,  This gets more exciting and interesting every day.        Love

The ark is only about 120 cm long. Why you say the ark has the same dimensions with coffin/sarcophagus?
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on December 31, 2011, 12:10:52 AM
lol @ wishingstar.... ah the parallels never cease.... hey?
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Grace on December 31, 2011, 12:45:32 AM
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@dontwalkaway...your enthusiasm is infectious, I love it!

Hmmm...if memory serves me correctly, there was talk about a water 'leak' at Carolwood lol

Happy hunting  beerchug

With L.O.V.E. always.


Hope this helps:

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=742.msg11014#msg11014 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=742.msg11014#msg11014)


The leakage at Carolwood happened on June 28, 2009 - images here:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=17851&p=307978#p307978 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/../phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=17851&p=307978#p307978)
http://mjkit.forumotion.net/t2231-water-pouring-and-joe-called-before-911?highlight=tmz+water+pouring (http://mjkit.forumotion.net/t2231-water-pouring-and-joe-called-before-911?highlight=tmz+water+pouring)

The whole thread about water is interesting. There are many more interesting insights into water on the board.
(Not to forget the red sportscar.... ;) )

This is a thread about water and "Walk where he walked" where suspicious mind was reminded of "Holy Land tours":
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=19628.msg339828#msg339828 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=19628.msg339828#msg339828)
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: bec on December 31, 2011, 01:16:55 AM
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Only one holy man's allowed to see it, or those who aren't up to his level, the skin will allegedly burn off: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2069765/Ark-Covenant-revealed-leaking-roof-Ethiopian-chapel.html#ixzz1fclBGIrV

I would think they could "safely" videotape it, if it's the real deal, so the entire world can come together.

Oh I call serious BS on that one.

Perhaps they should check it for radioactivity then.

agree... i think that this myth about the ark has been misinterpreted from a scripture in exodus.34:29-35

scripute explains that when moses returrned from mount sanai in the presence of god, his skin was aglow and emmitting rays. (meaning that he was illuminated from being in the presence of god)


i think that people claiming that they cant show the 'ark' that they 'claim' to have found because it will 'fry' your skin - is an excuse to control people without having to present proof.

hogwash!

Either BS or it's full of hot plutonium and Mister Head Holy Guy is a ticking cancer bomb.

@Suzz, I'm glad to bring that little ray of sunshine into your day. lol.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 31, 2011, 02:32:43 AM
I was just thinking.  Maybe those mummies shown are not King Tut.  Maybe their someone else ?  Who Knows ?    A great man once said "just because it's in print doesn't mean it's gospel" and "The History Books have lies, You have got to know this, You must know this " and so on.   How do they really know all this about King Tut ????

So no one is going to tell us or show us.  We have to find it ourselves.  The elite circles study this and Horus seems like a bigger deal than King Tut.  I think Michael has been trying to show us Horus and they eye of Horus.  That's the illuminati all seeing eye.  So maybe it's important to research Horus ???

And isn't the story of Horus almost the same as Jesus and a lot of others around the world at different times.  And what if there was such a thing as resurrection and reincarnation ?  Some religions in the East believe in it.

What is important is what is in the Kings Chamber of the Great Pyramid.  That is where the sarcaphagus is where no one was put in.  I think we should research about what that one looks like.  That one has the same dimensions as the "ark".    It might be hard to find out about that one because  the one for King Tut is the one shown everywhere.  They don't want to show the one in the kings chamber, like it's a secret.

Love





Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 31, 2011, 02:36:57 AM
I forgot to say that I think the key number to it is 7.  And think about all the number 7's in the book of revelations.   There are seven trumpets, seven bowls, and so on.  I am going to see what I can find about the Sarcaphagus in the Kings Chamber of the Great Pyramid.    Does anyone think they can help because we had four years to get it right and now there is about only one year left !!!!!!

Love
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Grace on December 31, 2011, 03:16:48 AM
This is what the Great Pyramid sounds like:

http://www.last.fm/music/Paul+Horn/Inside+the+Great+Pyramid+-+Disk+1 (http://www.last.fm/music/Paul+Horn/Inside+the+Great+Pyramid+-+Disk+1)
http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/inside-the-great-pyramid/id49507306 (http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/inside-the-great-pyramid/id49507306)

Enjoy...
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: MJonmind on December 31, 2011, 03:47:43 AM
I just checked out the dimensions of the INSIDE of the coffer of the King's Chamber in the Great Pyramid. And it is NOT the same as the Ark dimensions.


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According to the Biblical story, The Ark of the Covenant was made of Acacia wood overlaid with gold that was carried by two long bars of Acacia wood also overlaid in gold. It has been said to have contained...


Dimensions of the Ark (Biblical account — Exodus):
Length = 2.5 cubits = 1.6 m = 5.2 ft. = 62.5 in.
Width = 1.5 cubits = 0.95 m = 3.1 ft. = 37.5 in.
Height = 1.5 cubits = 0.95 m = 3.1 ft. = 37.5 in.


Dimensions of the Ark (another account):
Length = 1.15 m = 3.8 ft. = 45.3 in.
Width = 0.7 m = 2.3 ft. = 27.6 in.
Height = 0.7 m = 2.3 ft. = 27.6 in.


Inner Dimensions of the Coffer:
Length = 1977 mm = 6.49 ft. =77.83 in.
Width = 677 mm = 2.22 ft. = 26.65 in.

Height = 872 mm = 2.86 ft. = 34.33 in.


(1)When the dimensions of the Ark are compared to the inner dimensions of the Coffer, it is evident the Ark could NOT have fit inside the Coffer — the Ark was too wide, and according to one account, also too tall.
According to mainstream Egyptology, pyramid building reigned during the Old Kingdom (2700-2200 BC). Given this historical acknowledgment and the (accurate?) fact the Great Pyramid was built during Khufu's reign, we can therefore conclude the GP was completed between 2600-2500 BC


(2)Biblical chronology however, dates the existence of the Ark of the Covenant from 1440-1460 BC to as early as 1230-1240 BC. These dates place the Ark out of time with the Great Pyramid. In other words, the Ark of the Covenant did NOT exist when the GP was built.
http://www.rickrichards.com/egypt/Egypt7_coffer.html (http://www.rickrichards.com/egypt/Egypt7_coffer.html)



And I also found this interesting about the placing of the rings and not carrying the ark the long way:

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Gold covered wooden boxes with rings for carrying poles were also found in King Tut's tomb and give us an idea of construction similar to the Bible ark. As the craftsmen of the Israelites were likely trained by the Egyptians it is not surprising to see some similarities in construction style. A common error of modern artists is to have the rings for the carrying poles at the top of the ark. Exodus 25:12 states that the rings were fastened to the feet. We have shown the rings inside the feet instead of outside the feet as this would have been much more structurally strong for holding up the box containing the stone tablets.Since a cubit is approximately 18 inches the Ark was some 45 inches wide and 27 inches long and 27 inches tall.

Other features of Kington's design are include the arrangement of the poles. We have the poles perpendicular to the ark rather than parallel to the long side of the ark. This is more stable and has the correct width for someone to carry the poles shoulder width. This design meets the Bible text and is very portable, beautiful and practical.
http://3dtabernacle.com/3DTaberArk.html (http://3dtabernacle.com/3DTaberArk.html)
(http://3dtabernacle.com/images/arkbk_small.JPG)


Hey Dontwalkaway, that was some interesting pics of Tut's burial stuff!


Here's some old discussion on MJ wanting to act in a movie about King Tut.  http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=149800 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=149800)
Also when I went to see the new Smurf movie, I remember When the smurfs go through the 'tunnel' and appear in the real world city, the camera scan of skyscraper billboards includes several large shots of King Tut. I'm thinking there has to be some significance but what...
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 31, 2011, 11:05:08 AM
Thanks MJonMind.  So now you're saying the dimensions of the ark do not match with the coffer.    But you have two different accounts with different measurements ??  Are they from different Bibles and readings ?  The dates for the ark and the dates that the pyramids were built don't match anyway.  I don't know but the sarcaphagus and coffer and the ark still seem important.  I'll see what I can find in by bible.

Maybe the coffer inside the great pyramid is not the original one ?   Maybe the real one is hidden???
I'm just guessing ?   

Maybe the real coffer/sarcaphogus fits the measurements of the ark, and that's why we have to find the real, true ark.    I am thinking that it is strange that there are different measurements given ????  I'll see what I can find in the two bibles that I have here.

This is getting tricky. 

Love
 
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 31, 2011, 11:27:32 AM
MJonMind, BeTheChange, and others.

I just looked at the article that BeTheChange posted about the Great Pyramid. 

When they were talking about the Kings Chamber, it said THE VOLUME OF THE COFFER AND THE ARK ARE THE SAME,  not the dimensions.   

They may not have the same measurements but they have the same volume or would hold the same amount of liquid or other contents.  The would hold the same amount of "Water" for instance.

Love
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: wishingstar on December 31, 2011, 11:58:41 AM
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@dontwalkaway...your enthusiasm is infectious, I love it!

Hmmm...if memory serves me correctly, there was talk about a water 'leak' at Carolwood lol

Happy hunting  beerchug

With L.O.V.E. always.


Hope this helps:

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=742.msg11014#msg11014 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=742.msg11014#msg11014)


The leakage at Carolwood happened on June 28, 2009 - images here:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=17851&p=307978#p307978 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/../phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=17851&p=307978#p307978)
http://mjkit.forumotion.net/t2231-water-pouring-and-joe-called-before-911?highlight=tmz+water+pouring (http://mjkit.forumotion.net/t2231-water-pouring-and-joe-called-before-911?highlight=tmz+water+pouring)

The whole thread about water is interesting. There are many more interesting insights into water on the board.
(Not to forget the red sportscar.... ;) )

This is a thread about water and "Walk where he walked" where suspicious mind was reminded of "Holy Land tours":
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=19628.msg339828#msg339828 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=19628.msg339828#msg339828)

Thank you Grace : )  There has been so much information to try and remember.....I think we have done a pretty good job so far, lol.  I remember one of my favorite redirects from TS was the waterfall with a bible quote........anyone remember that one?  It was really pretty : )

@Australian MJ beLIEver........lol, parallels of parallels of parallels.....welcome to the Funhouse : )

Blessings Always
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 31, 2011, 12:25:41 PM
Well I found something interesting.  Check this article out.  It says that the cover of the Sarcarphogus is missing.
Also the base has been handled.  there are saw marks etc. 

Here is the link:

www.ancientegytonline.co.uk/kingschambergp.html

Also, I found another article where they were talking about the stones in the kings chamber.  The volume of these stones corresponds to information about the planets !!!!!!!!

So VOLUME appears to be a key measurement here.  I will try to find that article again.  We have to find the true Volume of the ark.  The volume of the ark and coffer need to match.  And What do you think about the missing cover of the Sarcaphagus ??????   


Love
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 31, 2011, 01:02:10 PM
OH MY GOODNESS.   I just thought of something else that may help.  We need to find the volume of the JUPITER STONE in the Kings Chamber of the Great Pyramid.  Is that why Latoya hurt her jupiter finger and so on ?   The clue was JUPITER. 

The stones in the kings chamber correspond to information about the planets.  That might help us find the volume of the ark and the sarcaphogus.  I was reading that article on the internet but lost it.  I'll have to try to find it.  It gave the weight and volume of all the stones.  There were stones for each planet.

So volume of Jupiter stone=volume of Sarcaphogus=Volume or Arc ??????

The cover of the sarcaphagus in the kings chamber is missing so we really cannot calculate the volume of it right now. 

Let's see if the volume of the Jupiter stone matches the volume of the Arc !!!!!!!!!!!!


You can type in Great Pyramid in Egypt, Kings Chamber and articles come up.
Happy Investigating

Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 31, 2011, 01:26:29 PM
Here are the measurements of the arc that I have taken from the New International Version, Student Version, Bible

From Exodus 25:10

2.5 Cubits long
1.5 Cubits wide
1.5 cubits high

1 cubit equals 18 inches or .5 meters.

2.5 cubits = 45 inches
1.5 cubits = 27 inches
1.5 cubits=27 inches.

So the Volume of the arc is  45" x 27" x 27"= 32805 inches cubed

Does anyone get anything else ???? 

Now we will have to get the volume of the Jupiter stone.  I will try later.

Love
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: BeTheChange on December 31, 2011, 01:35:10 PM
@Dontwalkaway...thanks for the great info you're providing...it's SO fascinating!  And thanks to MJonMind for the info as well...although, as Dontwalkaway pointed out...it is the VOLUME that is identical, even if the dimensions are not (which they don't seem to be).  I have cross-checked several sources to 'validate' this info...and there are plenty of references to the volume being the same.

For those interested...I just came across this very interesting article.  @Dontwalkaway...I'm not sure how or if it would help in your quest to gain further info on the 'planet' connection...but after reading this article, I'm sitting here in utter and complete amazement. (I haven't yet checked out the other links within the website but will do so when I have some time).

http://www.crystalinks.com/gparc.html (http://www.crystalinks.com/gparc.html)
The Connection Between the Pyramid and the Ark of the Covenant
by Gerry Cannon

The word ark comes from the Hebrew word aron, which means a chest, box. Its dimensions are described by the bible as 2.5 cubits by 1.5 cubits by 1.5 cubits (45 inches by 27 inches by 27 inches). Curiously, this is the exact volume of the stone chest or porphyry coffer in the King's Chamber in the Great Pyramid in Egypt. This coffer was the only object within the King's Chamber, as the Ark was the single sacred object within the Holy of Holies, in the Temple. Also the laver, or basin, that the priests used to wash their feet had the identical cubit dimensions.

In addition, the cubit dimensions of the inner chamber of the Temple, the Holy of Holies, are precisely identical in size to the King's Chamber in the Pyramid and the same volume as the molten sea of water on the Temple Mount as prepared by King Solomon. Since the Pyramid was built and sealed long before the days of Moses, when he built the Ark and the Holy of Holies, and had remained sealed for over twenty-five centuries until the ninth century after Christ, there is no natural explanation for the phenomenon of both structures having identical volume measurements. (<-----MIND-BLOWING)

The pyramid itself possessed its own force centers: the heart of the King's Chamber, its most vital and sacred points, where divine energy was concentrated and especially powerful. And other chambers not yet discovered. The candidate undergoing initiation was placed in the great granite sarcophagus in the King's Chamber at the August moment of the initiation rites (Note: the purpose of Initiation is to bestow upon the disciple certain molecular changes in the body to handle higher energy) because the sarcophagus was in direct alignment with the downpouring ray of cosmic light through the Ark in the Third Eye capstone.

The voltage of such a fiery light ray could only be endured by one in whom the physical, emotional and spiritual forces were completely aligned and purified. The candidate with an unbalanced polarity ran the risk of injury to the physical organism, or even death, because of the accelerated frequencies of manna-loa pouring through the capstone.

When the massive structure was first constructed, the final portion to be levitated into place was the gleaming gold and crystal capstone containing the original Ark of the Covenant, brought from Atlantis. This Ark and capstone graced the very summit of Knut. Once this floating capstone was so placed, the Great Ones created several lesser Arks.

The voltage of a second Ark was integrated into the structure of the open granite sarcophagus in the King's Chamber. Since granite is saturated with minute crystals, it was not difficult to charge the initiatory coffer with incredible cosmic force.

The crystals and compounds of which the Ark was constructed - the silver, brass-like substance, and pure living gold - were charged with seven octaves of energy, from the materialistic charges of electric voltage up to the highest spiritualized forces of celestial planes - pranic forces far beyond the voltage of Earth's electricity."

The uninitiated unprotected sons of Earth were not permitted to touch the Ark because of its radiating voltage, placed there by generated cosmic rays. The priests who had charge of it, called the Arkites, wore protective garments. But they were themselves charged with cosmic power. Such human Arks were somewhat immune from the rays of the crystal because each radiated frequencies harmonious with the crystal. Since the Ark radiated an energy destructive to all inharmonious with it, a gold sheath was constructed to insulate it, to partially shield the people from the powerful emanations.

To maintain its potency, each Ark had to be constantly recharged with a creative energy of tremendous voltage. The principal source of that energy was man himself, and only the highest initiates were capable of radiating the particular force required to keep the Ark active. Much of this responsibility fell upon the high priests, the Arkites or Ptahs of the temple, who, if they so willed it, could raise the frequency of their forms to radiate so powerful a force that an uninitiate touching their bodies could be struck down, just as if he had touched the Ark itself. Rarely was such voltage require of them, except to recharge the Arks.

---------------------------------------

Were these all 'portals' of some sort?  The info about the 'electrical' charge/force could explain why some died (if legend is correct) when touching the Ark. 

I don't know how all this connects to MJ...although I do believe that Mike's 'vibrational frequency' was/is MUCH higher than most.  But I keep going back to this:

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01460/Egyptian_1460698c.jpg)

...and I sit here in complete bafflement.

Happy investigating and Happy _ew Year to all!

@WishingStar and Grace...thank you both for the 'water' info...more fascinating stuff!

 bearhug

With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 31, 2011, 04:57:52 PM
Thank you for posting that great article BeTheChange.  This is mind blowing you're right. 

So they are saying in this article that the original ark (from Atlantis) is placed within the crystal and gold capstone.    This would create the channel of energy needed when it hits the Sarcaphogus.  But the Sarcaphogus basin also has crystal or minerals that take a charge !!!!   If this is true, this is really amazing.

This also goes along with an article I read about the ark containing elements from the low platinum and high platinum groups including gold and other things.  In the article above they said that only priests who could handle this high frequency could charge it.

Well I found the article I was looking for about all the stones in the Kings Chamber.  In particular the fifth stone strip is Jupiter.  The Jupiter stone is 151.767633 inches long.    Jupiters year is 433.333 earth days or 104,000 hours.  Jupiter strip side length = 34.333 inches.  The article is called Anatomy of the King's Chamber-Cheops' Pyramid

http://sonic.net/bernard/kings-chamber.html

I also found an article called Dimensions and Mathematics of the Great Pyramid.

http://www.theglobaleducationalproject.org/egypt/studyguide/gpmath.php

Do we have any mathematicians here ?  What can we figure out ?  We need the volume of the Sarcaphogus.
We probably need the capstone.  The capstone might contain the ark ?  What can you figure out about the Jupiter stone ?

I'm thinking that the Sarcaphagus has to contain water along with the person put in it. Like when you get baptized at a baptist church ????  All these references about water.  And remember the painting he liked about "Giving Apollo a Bath".  Maybe we have to figure out how much water would go in it ???     What is the volume of those Fuji water bottles we keep seeing ????

Love

I'm bouncing up and down    /woohoo/   bounce/   bounce/   bounce/   bounce/    bounce/     bounce/



 

Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 31, 2011, 05:25:13 PM
Here are the dimensions of the Coffer in the Kings chamber. (if this is the right one). I already see different dimensions listed on different sources.   

length= 89.80568 inches
width=38.69843 inches
height=41.21319 inches.

volume= 143229.7991 inches cubed,   without the cover ? 







Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: MJonmind on January 01, 2012, 05:36:22 AM
This is from the article I posted above:


OUTER DIMENSIONS:
(a) Length = 2278 mm = 89.68 in. = 7.47 ft.
(b) Width = 977 mm = 38.46 in. = 3.2 ft.
(c) Height = 1048 mm = 41.26 in. = 3.4 ft.


INNER DIMENSIONS:
(a) Length = 1977 mm =77.83 in. = 6.49 ft.
(b) Width = 677 mm = 26.65 in. = 2.22 ft.
(c) Depth = 872 mm = 34.33 in. = 2.86 ft.

http://www.rickrichards.com/egypt/Egypt7_coffer.html (http://www.rickrichards.com/egypt/Egypt7_coffer.html)

(http://www.rickrichards.com/egypt/coffer.jpg)

So, it means that the Ark and this coffer are two different volumes, but similar that's all.  But the details about the pyramid and Ark still show other very interesting correlations though. If we keep on looking I'm sure we'll find more!
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on January 01, 2012, 10:14:40 AM
Thanks MJonMind.  So I see that the volume of that coffer doesn't match the ark.  I'll see what else I can find.
I have a feeling that the Jupiter stone is involved in this some how but I don't know how.  What do you think ?

Maybe that's not the real coffer ? 

Maybe there is some kind of equation between captsone,ark,coffer and jupiter stone ?

So far the only thing we know for sure is the volume of the ark.  And volume of ark = volume of coffer

Maybe it has to do with weight and volume ?????    And then maybe some amount of water ??????

I wonder if we can find the weight and volume of the Jupiter stone ???

Maybe we have to find the volume and weight of the capstone and add it to the volume of the ark because the ark is within the capstone ??????

Volume of Captsone + Volume of Ark = Volume of Coffer ?

or Volume of Capstone + Volume of Ark = Volume of Coffer + Jupiter stone  ?

Maybe who ever gets in the coffer has to have a specific weight and volume to fit into this equation ?

Maybe there is an exact amount of water you need according to who goes in the coffer ????

I'm just guessing ??????


Love
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on January 01, 2012, 12:05:43 PM
MJonMind, BeTheChange and others.

I was just looking back at the article BeTheChange posted.  It says that the original ark was from Atlantis.  That was before the time of Moses, wasn't it ??   

So maybe the one they made in Moses' time was meant to be a fake one to protect the real one ?

It says that the Great Ones made lesser arks after the ark with capstone was floating.

So maybe the real one is "huge".  It would have to be pretty big to fit on the top of the pyramid ?
Maybe the real one has the same volume of the stone coffer ? 

Or maybe we have the wrong coffer ?

Volume of the Coffer using the inner measurements:

77.83 x 26.65 x 34.33=  71206.23894  inches cubed. = volume of the coffer in the kings chamber


Wow, The original ark was from Atlantis !!!  Where did you find that article BeTheChange ?  I wonder how they know the history of Atlantis so well ?  Maybe the priests are descendents from Atlantis ???  It is thought that the settlers there were from different stars/planets.  This is really starting to become amazing !  What do you guys think ???

Love 



 
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: MissG on January 01, 2012, 07:09:26 PM
I just scanned the last page. I take all those texts with a pinch of salt ;) Historians, Archaeologists and Art Historians would not agree with many of them, since they are fantastic and erroneous according to the academy.

However, back to the Ark i do remember reading long ago some literature about the Ark being some kind of weapon artifact, like a hidden canon, which gun powder got warmed up by the heat of the sun (something like the trojan horse). That Ark was supposed to be in the shelves of a south African Museum.

Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: melody on January 02, 2012, 11:00:36 AM
I don't know if this will help narrow the pictures down, but in "Numbers 4" (the book of Numbers, Chapter 4) scripture says that when it came time to travel/transport the tabernacle, the Kohathites were responsible for transporting all of the holy objects located inside (including the ark). In "Numbers 7", we're told that the Kohathites had to transport these holy things on their shoulders, not by carts or oxen. Furthermore, "Numbers 4" tells us that the Kohathites weren't even allowed to look at the holy articles of the tabernacle so they had to be covered for transportation. The ark of the covenant specifically had to be covered by its curtain, a layer of leather, a spread of blue cloth, then the poles put into the rings (because the ark could not be directly touched). To do otherwise—to have the ark of the covenant out in the open for all to see while transporting it—would have been an act of disobedience, plus the Kohathite men (and anyone else looking upon it) would have died.

With this in mind, I think the whole "procession" we saw with Michael's casket was a "What NOT to do when transporting the ark" or "IF YOU SEE THIS, IT'S NOT THE REAL ARK" because it was:

1. uncovered; the whole public saw it.
2. transported on wheels (not only by hearse, but wheeled inside of the staples center)
3. touched directly by Usher (in the bible Uzzah touches the ark directly and dies for his disobedience).

I'm assuming the casket's weight and pole placement had a lot to do with it. The brothers seemed to have struggled a bit with its heaviness when they left the staples center and loaded the casket into the hearse; so, they couldn't carry it for long periods of time by the handles located on the sides. The casket, however, was significantly bigger than the ark. I know the promethean casket is customized to the height of the deceased, but it could not have been shorter than 5 feet (because Michael is not short) yet that is still bigger than the ark.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl6oTPhOCD4[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU0j9-xO6qI[/youtube]


Converting the dimensions of the ark—as stated in Exodus 25—from english cubits into feet, the dimensions of the ark are: 3.75 feet long, 2.25 feet wide, 2.25 feet high. It's not that big, but definitely more rectangular than square. It's essentially a box/chest.

Another thing: If the ark's cover was made to be of one solid piece with the cherubim, then two giant angels to the side makes no sense because when you lift the cover (to place the manna, aaron's rod, and tablets inside), the angels would lift up as well because they are part of the cover. It just doesn't sound practical; I guess that's why most depictions show the angels sitting on top of the cover [side note: the human-like cherubim we often see depicted is of pagan origin; the cherubim are not described this way in the bible; seeing as YHWH would not have allowed pagan imagery to profane his temple (at the very least Moses would not have allowed it), I doubt they looked like this]. I can't recall a place in the text detailing the length of the poles, nor how many people carried it, but I don't doubt they were located at the feet underneath the ark.

Just to be clear: are we talking about the ark kept in the tabernacle? or the temple built by Solomon (with the plans his father, King David, laid out)? Some background: YHWH originally asked for the tabernacle (which is basically a tent/a portable home), David offered to build him a permanent dwelling place (the temple) out of love and gratitude (2 Samuel 7). The ark that originally dwelled in the tabernacle was simply moved into the temple by the Levite priests (2 Chronicles 5); the ark wasn't re-made as far as I can tell. It's significant to note that the over-sized cherubim in Solomon's temple described as a chariot/merkaba (1 Chronicles 28:18) is not a part of the ark itself.

Also significant to note: regardless of the building, YHWH decided to fill it with his presence. So whatever his "dwelling place" may be (simple tent or extravagant temple), it didn't matter; his presence would manifest as long as they were obedient to his instructions. I suppose the spiritual significance is that he makes no discrimination between bodies (tents); he'll dwell where he is respected.

I'd like to pose a thought: If Jesus likened his body to a temple to be destroyed and rebuilt in three days (John 2:19),and elsewhere in the text believers are called the temple/the church (Ephesians 2:19-22), then do those verses speaking of a "rebuilt temple" during end times actually allude to a mass-revival/rebuilding? non-believers turning into believers? If that's the case, then "the powers that be" may try to dupe the public by recreating a physical ark (or actually finding it) and re-building a physical temple, but the true ark is God's presence manifesting inside of the true temple: the collective body of believers. I know the common interpretation is that a physical temple must be rebuilt because the abomination of desolation must step inside and stop the "sacrifices"; but Hebrews 13:5 says this about sacrifices under the new covenant "Through Jesus, therefore, let us continually offer to God a sacrifice of praise—the fruit of lips that openly profess his name". It's possible that they aren't the sacrifices people have in mind.
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Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: suspicious mind on January 02, 2012, 12:10:01 PM
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I don't know if this will help narrow the pictures down, but in "Numbers 4" (the book of Numbers, Chapter 4) scripture says that when it came time to travel/transport the tabernacle, the Kohathites were responsible for transporting all of the holy objects located inside (including the ark). In "Numbers 7", we're told that the Kohathites had to transport these holy things on their shoulders, not by carts or oxen. Furthermore, "Numbers 4" tells us that the Kohathites weren't even allowed to look at the holy articles of the tabernacle so they had to be covered for transportation. The ark of the covenant specifically had to be covered by its curtain, a layer of leather, a spread of blue cloth, then the poles put into the rings (because the ark could not be directly touched). To do otherwise—to have the ark of the covenant out in the open for all to see while transporting it—would have been an act of disobedience, plus the Kohathite men (and anyone else looking upon it) would have died.

With this in mind, I think the whole "procession" we saw with Michael's casket was a "What NOT to do when transporting the ark" or "IF YOU SEE THIS, IT'S NOT THE REAL ARK" because it was:

1. uncovered; the whole public saw it.
2. transported on wheels (not only by hearse, but wheeled inside of the staples center)
3. touched directly by Usher (in the bible Uzzah touches the ark directly and dies for his disobedience).

I'm assuming the casket's weight and pole placement had a lot to do with it. The brothers seemed to have struggled a bit with its heaviness when they left the staples center and loaded the casket into the hearse; so, they couldn't carry it for long periods of time by the handles located on the sides. The casket, however, was significantly bigger than the ark. I know the promethean casket is customized to the height of the deceased, but it could not have been shorter than 5 feet (because Michael is not short) yet that is still bigger than the ark.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl6oTPhOCD4[/youtube]

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Converting the dimensions of the ark—as stated in Exodus 25—from english cubits into feet, the dimensions of the ark are: 3.75 feet long, 2.25 feet wide, 2.25 feet high. It's not that big, but definitely more rectangular than square. It's essentially a box/chest.

Another thing: If the ark's cover was made to be of one solid piece with the cherubim, then two giant angels to the side makes no sense because when you lift the cover (to place the manna, aaron's rod, and tablets inside), the angels would lift up as well because they are part of the cover. It just doesn't sound practical; I guess that's why most depictions show the angels sitting on top of the cover [side note: the human-like cherubim we often see depicted is of pagan origin; the cherubim are not described this way in the bible; seeing as YHWH would not have allowed pagan imagery to profane his temple (at the very least Moses would not have allowed it), I doubt they looked like this]. I can't recall a place in the text detailing the length of the poles, nor how many people carried it, but I don't doubt they were located at the feet underneath the ark.

Just to be clear: are we talking about the ark kept in the tabernacle? or the temple built by Solomon (with the plans his father, King David, laid out)? Some background: YHWH originally asked for the tabernacle (which is basically a tent/a portable home), David offered to build him a permanent dwelling place (the temple) out of love and gratitude (2 Samuel 7). The ark that originally dwelled in the tabernacle was simply moved into the temple by the Levite priests (2 Chronicles 5); the ark wasn't re-made as far as I can tell. It's significant to note that the over-sized cherubim in Solomon's temple described as a chariot/merkaba (1 Chronicles 28:18) is not a part of the ark itself.

Also significant to note: regardless of the building, YHWH decided to fill it with his presence. So whatever his "dwelling place" may be (simple tent or extravagant temple), it didn't matter; his presence would manifest as long as they were obedient to his instructions. I suppose the spiritual significance is that he makes no discrimination between bodies (tents); he'll dwell where he is respected.

I'd like to pose a thought: If Jesus likened his body to a temple to be destroyed and rebuilt in three days (John 2:19),and elsewhere in the text believers are called the temple/the church (Ephesians 2:19-22), then do those verses speaking of a "rebuilt temple" during end times actually allude to a mass-revival/rebuilding? non-believers turning into believers? If that's the case, then "the powers that be" may try to dupe the public by recreating a physical ark (or actually finding it) and re-building a physical temple, but the true ark is God's presence manifesting inside of the true temple: the collective body of believers. I know the common interpretation is that a physical temple must be rebuilt because the abomination of desolation must step inside and stop the "sacrifices"; but Hebrews 13:5 says this about sacrifices under the new covenant "Through Jesus, therefore, let us continually offer to God a sacrifice of praise—the fruit of lips that openly profess his name". It's possible that they aren't the sacrifices people have in mind.
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Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Suzy7 on January 02, 2012, 08:05:31 PM
 MissG, I agree about the erroneous, fanciful theories part lol.

 I recently caught up in this thread only to see we went from God's holy ark of the covenant, to an erect penis/alien technology?! I'm sorry, but I literally had to rofl when I read this thread--oh my.

 That was a great post melody. And Aussie I agree with everything you wrote in this thread, well said; along with Im_convinced. I too believe God is in control as the ark was a holy item, and just like Moses' body, it will *never* be found by mankind for a reason. They will use it for their own evil and selfish purposes, so even IF they did find the actual ark; God would not allow them to keep it for their own gain. This is why if you study the Bible, the idea that aliens, or the Illuminati, or any other fictional characters are running all over the world hiding it in pyramids and such is ludicrous.

 If any ark is to be unveiled, it would be a counterfeit-- in fact they all will be. Revelation 11:19 states: "And the temple [sanctuary] of God that is in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen in his temple. And there occurred lightnings and voices and thunders and an earthquake and a great hail." So if the ark will be seen in the heavens, how can man have control of something that is now only symbolic of God's promise? The ark of the covenant mentioned here in Revelation is not the literal ark, but now is a symbolic representation. But it *was* an actual ark. If it was not a literal ark but a mere metaphor, why such great detail over several chapters, about it's craftsmanship and materials used? Even the cost of these materials to the grain and burnt offerings that took place at the altar were discussed in great detail.

  Therefore, to reiterate: every ark is or will be a counterfeit because the ark no longer exists as an actual ark, but is instead symbolic of Jesus. Also, since we have not seen the original for ourselves, studying every photo is pointless because we have nothing visual to compare it to; nor do we need to.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: hesouttamylife on January 02, 2012, 08:14:03 PM
Illuminati is real. 
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Suzy7 on January 02, 2012, 08:16:48 PM
Lol yes hesouttamylife, but aliens are not; in my humble opinion ;).
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on January 04, 2012, 07:22:45 PM
Suzy7,  Think about who could have built the pyramids and other amazing structures.  They must have had technology that we still don't have.    They also had pictures of  aliens and flying saucers in artwork and in various places.  Also, what about all the crop circles ?   There are many witnesses, and people who worked for the government etc. who have given interviews and wrote books.    Some may be fiction but I don't think they are all lying.  And what about ancient civilizations found such as Atlantis and other amazing structures around the world like Stonehenge for example.  Those stone pieces are HUGE and perfectly arranged. 
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: MissG on January 04, 2012, 07:31:15 PM
Illuminati always with tomati, please.

The "advance technology" of building the pyramids was called usin the water of the Nile, rolling woods, sort of crains and man work, LOTS of manpower ;)

Regarding the engravings...those are bi-dimensional so the figures turned kind of weird.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: paula-c on January 04, 2012, 07:49:19 PM
I am not expert eb biblical themes but that the Bible mentions alien craft

Exodus 13, 21-22
"and was Yahweh at the head of them, day in a column of cloud to guide them along the way and by night in a pillar of fire to give light upon them"



Exodus 14, 19-20
"Lift the Angel of Yahweh who marched to the front of the army of Israel, and was behind them." I will also lift the pillar of cloud in front of them and I put on the back, interspersed with is thus between the camp of the Egyptians and Israelis camp. "It was cloud and darkness (one hand), and (on the other) lit up the night, so that they could not approach those in the night"




This paragraph describes us as at one point in the exodus there were 2 buildings leading to the village of Israel, the permanent mothership in the form of cigarette or column, and one more small, probably in the form of disk. Both ships moved from the front to the rear of the Jews, with this move the great ship register in the middle of both sides, Egyptian - Israeli, taking only flashing lights that were on the side of the Israelis, and the side opposite that of the Egyptians, plunged into darkness. In this way the aliens prevented the advance of the Egyptian army, overnight
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on January 04, 2012, 09:30:34 PM
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The "advance technology" of building the pyramids was called usin the water of the Nile, rolling woods, sort of crains and man work, LOTS of manpower ;)


yes, the manpower of millions of israelite slaves captive in egypt.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Suzy7 on January 04, 2012, 10:46:58 PM
 The city of Atlantis, first only known to exist because of the Bible, was inhabited by Nephilim. The Bible talks of it's existence hundreds of years before it became more well known because of Plato; after this time it had become a much sought-after city. The Bible also tells of it being sought-after but never "found", due to the fact that it was destroyed by the flood. Some might find that hard to believe, but it is no coincidence what they did "find" and believe to be Atlantis, is underwater and underground. So the Bible was correct when it says it wouldn't be "found" considering it is inaccessible.

 The Nephilim is where the idea of aliens originated from. It is also no coincidence that fallen angels are beings whom descended from the heavens to earth; much like "aliens" whom also descend from the "heavens" to earth. So, people are purposely being misled in my opinion. The Bible does not say God created only humans, but also "non-human intelligent beings" which are angels.

 These ancient civilizations of Egypt, Greece, and China for example, were paying homage to Atlantis and their god--Lucifer. The Nephilim's advanced knowledge is also where all of the Hermetic knowledge used by these civilizations and the source of the "alien" technology came from. This is the reason the pyramids follow the same sacred geometry all over the world, among many other monuments. Not only the geometry, but also the specific places of which some pyramids are located are to help preserve their existence over many years, and prevents them from being destroyed by the elements. The Bible definitely speaks of these Nephilim and their earthly deception, but they are not to be confused with aliens.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Suzy7 on January 04, 2012, 10:53:56 PM
 There is alot of info on this subject and I suggest everyone whose interested to research it.

Edit: It is believed by many people that these civilizations were descendants of the Nephilim; hence the higher intelligence.
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Tink on January 05, 2012, 12:20:31 AM
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Suzy7,  Think about who could have built the pyramids and other amazing structures.  They must have had technology that we still don't have.    They also had pictures of  aliens and flying saucers in artwork and in various places.  Also, what about all the crop circles ?   There are many witnesses, and people who worked for the government etc. who have given interviews and wrote books.    Some may be fiction but I don't think they are all lying.  And what about ancient civilizations found such as Atlantis and other amazing structures around the world like Stonehenge for example.  Those stone pieces are HUGE and perfectly arranged.

GEOTHERMAL CONCRETE. That's how the Great Pyramids were constructed so quickly, with small blocks within. You can see in Heiroglyphics, palm fronds inbetween, as they pour. And, at the site. Each large concrete stone has even dispersal of fossils - that's how it's been determined it's cement!

A guy now owns the patent, after taking core samples, and simply reverse engineering the process. Gypsum, Lyme, sand, water plus a few other natural products are needed, and the concrete reaches the temperature needed in the slurry, then it cools down - already in place!

And please, please  keep ol' satan out of the picture, when you speak of Atlantis - they had nothing to do with him. The Eye of Horus is Egyptian, nothing to do with anything bad.

Remember, some of these modern peeps have taken pieces of other books, sloppily pressed them together, and say, "Voila, it's new!"
The original books are out there, perhaps out of print. Find those, mostly by college professors, etc. I don't trust things coming out of viper's mouths, who have snake oil to sell! They pick pieces from all these different myths, religions, and don't even care that they're basically being a FALSE PROPHET by doing so, themselves. It's all about the all mighty dollar to them, remember that!
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on January 05, 2012, 08:17:34 PM
Here are two interesting articles I found.

What  do you think about these two articles ?

1.  Death of the Phoenix
     Atlantis Rising

http://watch.pair.com/atlantis-rising/html


2.  And Sirius,Annunaki,Pyramid
     Ark of the Covenant

www.greatdreams.com/covenant.htm

They talk about the original ark from Atlantis and how it was a promise between the sons of god and the sons of men.

Love
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on January 05, 2012, 08:33:10 PM
The first link did not work so I am trying it again.
If it doesn't work, try typing the name of the article on google.  It is very good with a lot of information about how the original ark was brought by the Anaki to Atlantis. 

The article is called, Death of the Phoenix Rising

www.watch.pair.com/atlantis-rising.html

Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Dontwalkaway on January 06, 2012, 07:28:10 PM
I think Death of the Phoenix, Atlantis Rising is an occultist/illuminati paper.  The more I read from it the crazier it seems.  It's all their ideas/plans about how to take over the world !  They think Atlantis will rise again and they want the death of the U.S..  The U.S. is the Phoenix.   They talk about how they can change weather and hurricane Katrina was revenge for flooding Atlantis !!!!   Please read and help interpret this crazy stuff.  I was only looking for information about the ark of the covenant, but it appears to be associated with a lot of conspiracy/secret societies etc. 


Death of the Phoenix, Atlantis Rising
www.watch.pair.com/atlantis-rising.html

 
Title: Re: TIAI December 26
Post by: Suzy7 on January 06, 2012, 11:37:30 PM
 Dontwalkaway, I looked at some of the links you posted and I'm sure this is some of deception MJ was aware of; meaning the fake, deceptive Ark. The Ark created by the people of Atlantis is not the same as God's Ark obviously, which existed later. So that is why the distinction between "aliens have the Ark" and God's true Ark which later became Jesus, needs to be understood. That is why I said earlier *any* ark to be unveiled anywhere, will be a counterfeit and will not be God's Ark of the Covenant. So I wouldn't believe everything on that site; even IF it was true, it doesn't matter because it has nothing to do with the Ark mentioned in the Bible.

 Paula made a good post somewhere in this thread about how an ark might be used as some part of the NWO agenda. We can't know until the time comes, if it ever does.

 And as for the pyramids locations I was referring to earlier: I meant the pyramids are in alignment with the ley lines and the energies of the earth which has allowed them to withstand throughout thousands of years in good condition. Since scientists have only discovered information about ley lines and such, how did they know these things in ancient times? Unless they were the "non-human intelligent beings/angels" the Bible speaks of. They also knew more about different continents around the world; including their accurate use of Longitude and Latitude as depicted on ancient maps. Even maps made hundreds of years later weren't as accurate, nor did they "discover" certain parts of the world until much later. They also used "Spherical geometry", when again, hundreds of years later scientists believed our world to be flat.

 But of course, they could have been just extremely intelligent and full of hidden knowledge ;). I've always been fascinated by ancient civilizations and Egypt especially.

 
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