Okey. So, Michael believes in the end of the world soon (we have 4 years to make it right) and makes an ark and gets ready to survive. That's what this hoax is about. Michael was too busy to have London concerts and escaped to complete building ark. And TS was lately busy helping MJ to complete that project.
Got it !
http://tinyurl.com/cvldz72
Images of the Ark of the Covenant.
Interesting, because back in 2009 when the regular TIAI redirects were taking place one was about the Ark of the Covenant (R.47) and then in TIAI Revealed Part 8, TS discussed this redirect:
TIAI Revealed, Part 8: The End is Near
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=1931.msg27579#msg27579
Also - isn't 12/21 the 2 year anniversary of when TIAI Revealed took place?
:)
R47. Ark of the Covenant
{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ark_of_the_Covenant}
The Ark of the Covenant? What in the world does that have to do with MJ? Is there some connection with the Raiders of the Lost Ark? Perhaps. But those who read the Wiki article carefully noticed a very interesting date: “On 25 June 2009, the patriarch of the Orthodox Church of Ethiopia, Abuna Paulos, said he would announce to the world the next day the unveiling of the Ark of the Covenant …” {http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/9322/ark-of-the-covenant-revealed/; http://www.ethiopianreview.com/content/10197;%20http://barthsnotes.wordpress.com/2009/06/26/ethiopian-ark-of-the-covenant-not-to-be-revealed-after-all/; and http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes;read=149823}
The unveiling did not actually occur. But why the amazing date of 6-25-09, was this yet another strange coincidence? This of course was the exact same day that the MJ “death” was announced. Could there possibly be a relationship between the death hoax, and the unveiling of the Ark? In fact, could both of these things be directly related to the end of the world (see R49)?
Are you aware the three major religious systems in the world (Jews, Muslims, and Christians) all expect the Ark of the Covenant to resurface, near the end of time? The Jews are expecting to get the Ark again, in connection with rebuilding their temple in Jerusalem near the end of time. “Muslims believe that it will be found by Mahdi near the end of times from Lake Tiberias” {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ark_of_the_Covenant}
And again from the Wiki article: “The Ark is mentioned in one passage in the deuterocanonical 2 Maccabees 2:4-10, which contains reference to a document saying that the prophet Jeremiah, ‘being warned of God,’ took the Ark, the tabernacle, the altar of incense, and buried them in a cave on Mount Nebo, informing those of his followers who wished to find the place that it should remain unknown ‘until the time that God should gather His people together, and receive them unto mercy.’” Many Christians believe that the Ark will be a major factor in the final battle between good and evil (see Revelation 11:18,19; etc).
Few if any objects in the history of mankind have been regarded with more sacredness and mystery, than the Ark of the Covenant. And surely if there is any object on planet earth that God can and will control at the end of time, it is the Ark of the Covenant. But the devil knows this, so he will have one or more counterfeit arks to confuse people. Then if we want to be on the right side of the final battle between good and evil: we must STUDY the true Ark, and know it so well that none of the counterfeits will lead us astray {http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=%22ark+of+the+covenant%22&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g4g-m1}.
By now you’ve probably learned not to trust what the media tells you about the Ark of the Covenant. In fact, don’t trust what anybody tells you about it! You can and should be open to evidence, which will help you distinguish the true from the false; but don’t trust the source of the evidence, trust only in the evidence itself. “The truth will prevail!” For those who are not prejudice, and are willing to examine the evidence carefully, the true Ark will stand out in striking contrast to any and all fake arks. In fact, did you know that the number seven is one of the main keys to unlock the mystery of the true Ark? Did you know that seven will be God’s most important number in the final battle between good and evil?
Almost everyone knows that the Ark of the Covenant was designed to contain the Ten Commandments—which are based on the two main concepts of love for God, and love for mankind (see Matthew 22:36-40); it’s all for love. If everyone in the world was following the Ten Commandments right now, then we wouldn’t need to heal the world—because the world would not be sick!!!
Last of all, stayed tuned to TIAI; it will not continue with the redirections on a regular basis, that aspect for the purpose of TIAI has been completed. But stayed tuned: this is not it, there’s more to come. When the time is right, there will be further information about the Ark of the Covenant. And of course there will be updates on MJ and the hoax, etc. You don’t need to check TIAI daily, if you don’t want; new updates won’t come every day. And you don’t need to worry about missing an update, if you don’t catch it on the right day: because any past updates will be readily available, simply by going to <!-- m -->http://www.ThisIsAlsoIt.com;<!-- m --> so stayed tuned, “the best is yet to come”!
As mentioned already (see R47), the Ark of the Covenant plays a major role near the end of time. Again, stayed tuned to TIAI for more info on the Ark; this will certainly happen well before 12-21-2012.
Thanks Gina for posting the whole text from Part 8.
This is also an interesting quote about the Ark of the Covenant from TS in TIAI Revealed Part 9: Today is 12-21-2009 (R49)QuoteAs mentioned already (see R47), the Ark of the Covenant plays a major role near the end of time. Again, stayed tuned to TIAI for more info on the Ark; this will certainly happen well before 12-21-2012.
For those who are not prejudice, and are willing to examine the evidence carefully, the true Ark will stand out in striking contrast to any and all fake arks. In fact, did you know that the number seven is one of the main keys to unlock the mystery of the true Ark? Did you know that seven will be God’s most important number in the final battle between good and evil?Here's the instuctions for making the Ark in Exodus 25. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=exodus%2025&version=NIV (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=exodus%2025&version=NIV)
According to Pauolos, the actual Ark has been kept in one church, but to defend the treasure, a copy was placed in every single church in Ethiopia. http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/ark-of-the-covenant-about-to-be-unveiled/blog-98979/ (http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/ark-of-the-covenant-about-to-be-unveiled/blog-98979/)
13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; ...Satan's fall?
14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub, (KJV -Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth) for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones.
15 You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you. 16 Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones.
http://tinyurl.com/cvldz72 (http://tinyurl.com/cvldz72)
Images of the Ark of the Covenant.
MICHAEL JACKSON - THE ARK OF THE COVENANT - SOUTH PARK - EERIE COINCIDENCE?http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/forum/index.php?id=227306 (http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/forum/index.php?id=227306)
VIDEO LINK by Theresa,
Monday, June 29, 2009, 03:35
Thanks to the emailer who tipped me off to this. I have searched and found the mentioned South Park episode available to view at the South Park site online.
The Ark of the Covenant was reported to be revealed on Friday, June 26, 2009. The Ark was not revealed but here is the latest story regarding this:
http://www.examiner.com/x-8928-Philadelphia-Atheism-Examiner~y2009m6d29-Ark-of-the-Covenant-still-hidden (http://www.examiner.com/x-8928-Philadelphia-Atheism-Examiner%7Ey2009m6d29-Ark-of-the-Covenant-still-hidden)Meanwhile, Michael Jackson died on Thursday June 25, 2009 and his death dominated the media. HAD the ark been revealed, it should have gotten MUCH media coverage - but that is not what happened.
(http://www.rumormillnews.com/pix5/ark.jpg)
NOW - here is the really weird part.
The television show South Park ran an episode in 2004 - Season 8 Episode 7 - titled "The Jeffersons"
IN this South Park episode a cartoon of Michael Jackson appears WITH the Ark of the Covenant. Below is a screen capture.(http://www.rumormillnews.com/pix5/jackson_ark.jpg)Now, I don't know as much about this kind of thing as others, but this seems to be a very eerie coincidence. Would like to hear others' thoughts.....
Here is the episode online - The Ark Of The Covenant appears at 14:15 into the video.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/103885 (http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/103885)
Some people say there are no coincidences....what say you?
Theresa
Ark of the Covenant still hiddenhttp://www.examiner.com/atheism-in-philadelphia/ark-of-the-covenant-still-hidden (http://www.examiner.com/atheism-in-philadelphia/ark-of-the-covenant-still-hidden)
(http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/profile_small/hash/1c/58/1c582e90412cad7de8d6c99a28b70dff.937.jpg) (http://www.examiner.com/atheism-in-philadelphia/staks-rosch) Staks Rosch (http://www.examiner.com/atheism-in-philadelphia/staks-rosch), Philadelphia Atheism Examiner June 29, 2009Patriarch Abuna Pauolos, the head of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church stated on Friday that he was planning on revealing the famed Ark of the Covenant to the world. Pauolos claimed that the container which God made to hold the Ten Commandments has been hidden in Ethiopian for thousands of years.
The Ark of the Covenant
The Ark is hidden in a special chamber of one of the churched in Ethiopia and is protected by a special guardian who is trained to watch over the Ark until the guardian dies and is replaced with a new guardian. Some people claim that the Ark itself is an object of great power and is capable of burning people’s faces off (as seen in the film Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark).
The Ark is also said to contain Manna which is the magic food God gave the Hebrews to sustain them on their 40 year journey to the promise land. Ethiopia is notoriously known for their poverty issues and so it would be almost unconscionable for the Ethiopian Orthodox Church to allow their people to starve to death while they protected the Magic Manna capable of sustaining the people inside their church.
The announcement that the Ark of the Covenant was going to be revealed to the public was something of a surprise considering that it was alleged to be hidden in Ethiopia for 3000 years and no time sensitive or even divine reason was given for its sudden re-emergence. According to Pauolos, the Ark belongs on a museum which has not yet been build.
The details about the Ark’s public appearance were also set to be announced on Friday and since then, no details have been revealed. Some have questioned whether Pauolos was even in a position to bring the Ark into the public light. Others have speculated that that Pope Palpatine vetoed Pauolos’s decision to bring the Ark public. And many others have speculated that the Church fears the scientific analysis of the magic box. Regardless of the reasons, no Ark of the Covenant has been revealed as promised.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGgX_oqdib4&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
The Messiah you've been waiting for is YOU !!!!
It Starts with US.Or elese it will never be done!!!!
Are you aware the three major religious systems in the world (Jews, Muslims, and Christians) all expect the Ark of the Covenant to resurface, near the end of time?
Many Christians believe that the Ark will be a major factor in the final battle between good and evil.
if we want to be on the right side of the final battle between good and evil: we must STUDY the true Ark, and know it so well that none of the counterfeits will lead us astray.
In fact, did you know that the number seven is one of the main keys to unlock the mystery of the true Ark? Did you know that seven will be God’s most important number in the final battle between good and evil?
Almost everyone knows that the Ark of the Covenant was designed to contain the Ten Commandments—which are based on the two main concepts of love for God, and love for mankind (see Matthew 22:36-40); it’s all for love.
http://tinyurl.com/cvldz72 (http://tinyurl.com/cvldz72)
Images of the Ark of the Covenant.
Images from the outside of what we think could be the real deal.
But is this the truth?QuoteMICHAEL JACKSON - THE ARK OF THE COVENANT - SOUTH PARK - EERIE COINCIDENCE?http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/forum/index.php?id=227306 (http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/forum/index.php?id=227306)
VIDEO LINK by Theresa,
Monday, June 29, 2009, 03:35
Thanks to the emailer who tipped me off to this. I have searched and found the mentioned South Park episode available to view at the South Park site online.
The Ark of the Covenant was reported to be revealed on Friday, June 26, 2009. The Ark was not revealed but here is the latest story regarding this:
http://www.examiner.com/x-8928-Philadelphia-Atheism-Examiner~y2009m6d29-Ark-of-the-Covenant-still-hidden (http://www.examiner.com/x-8928-Philadelphia-Atheism-Examiner%7Ey2009m6d29-Ark-of-the-Covenant-still-hidden)Meanwhile, Michael Jackson died on Thursday June 25, 2009 and his death dominated the media. HAD the ark been revealed, it should have gotten MUCH media coverage - but that is not what happened.
(http://www.rumormillnews.com/pix5/ark.jpg)
NOW - here is the really weird part.
The television show South Park ran an episode in 2004 - Season 8 Episode 7 - titled "The Jeffersons"
IN this South Park episode a cartoon of Michael Jackson appears WITH the Ark of the Covenant. Below is a screen capture.(http://www.rumormillnews.com/pix5/jackson_ark.jpg)Now, I don't know as much about this kind of thing as others, but this seems to be a very eerie coincidence. Would like to hear others' thoughts.....
Here is the episode online - The Ark Of The Covenant appears at 14:15 into the video.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/103885 (http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/103885)
Some people say there are no coincidences....what say you?
Theresa
QuoteArk of the Covenant still hiddenhttp://www.examiner.com/atheism-in-philadelphia/ark-of-the-covenant-still-hidden (http://www.examiner.com/atheism-in-philadelphia/ark-of-the-covenant-still-hidden)
(http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/profile_small/hash/1c/58/1c582e90412cad7de8d6c99a28b70dff.937.jpg) (http://www.examiner.com/atheism-in-philadelphia/staks-rosch) Staks Rosch (http://www.examiner.com/atheism-in-philadelphia/staks-rosch), Philadelphia Atheism Examiner June 29, 2009Patriarch Abuna Pauolos, the head of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church stated on Friday that he was planning on revealing the famed Ark of the Covenant to the world. Pauolos claimed that the container which God made to hold the Ten Commandments has been hidden in Ethiopian for thousands of years.
The Ark of the Covenant
The Ark is hidden in a special chamber of one of the churched in Ethiopia and is protected by a special guardian who is trained to watch over the Ark until the guardian dies and is replaced with a new guardian. Some people claim that the Ark itself is an object of great power and is capable of burning people’s faces off (as seen in the film Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark).
The Ark is also said to contain Manna which is the magic food God gave the Hebrews to sustain them on their 40 year journey to the promise land. Ethiopia is notoriously known for their poverty issues and so it would be almost unconscionable for the Ethiopian Orthodox Church to allow their people to starve to death while they protected the Magic Manna capable of sustaining the people inside their church.
The announcement that the Ark of the Covenant was going to be revealed to the public was something of a surprise considering that it was alleged to be hidden in Ethiopia for 3000 years and no time sensitive or even divine reason was given for its sudden re-emergence. According to Pauolos, the Ark belongs on a museum which has not yet been build.
The details about the Ark’s public appearance were also set to be announced on Friday and since then, no details have been revealed. Some have questioned whether Pauolos was even in a position to bring the Ark into the public light. Others have speculated that that Pope Palpatine vetoed Pauolos’s decision to bring the Ark public. And many others have speculated that the Church fears the scientific analysis of the magic box. Regardless of the reasons, no Ark of the Covenant has been revealed as promised.
Ark of the Covenant- What is it really?
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread454572/pg1 (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread454572/pg1)
Some comments on this blog are quite interesting.
The temple of God being our body and each one of us having to reveal the ark of the covenant inside of us to get "blinded by the light" to finally SEE.
Maybe the ark was not revealed to the public on June 26, 2009 as announced but only (through Michael's disappearance) to a few - some being members here and having stated that their lives have been changed by 180°. Just a thought.
MJ warned us about the ark in Miss Castaway (thanks Applehead for the video).
There are claims of the ark being found, hidden away, etc but how are we to ever really know if any of these claims have any genuine claim to being the REAL ark. Whoever may bring forth an ark, I will have suspicions, it doesn't matter who is making the claim. And are we supposed to find it? Destroy it?
This video was posted TODAY about how many believe the ark is in Ethiopia, I couldn't find it on youtube so here's a link.
http://www.ethiotube.net/video/16980/CNN--Finding-the-Ark-of-the-Covenant-in-Ethiopia
I sense an ironic undertone to today's re-direct.
This re-direct makes me think of what Front said because of "emblazoned in gold" and all those golden arks pictures.....
"The sun will rise again, bigger and brighter, emblazoned in gold…like a beacon whose physical existence was provisionally "extinguished"…but never forgotten. Those "flames" are the heart of the passionate inferno of resurgence that awaits. Some things are not meant to be ascertained but to be envisaged through delicate whispers. Just as the Earth is sure to rotate on its axis, the resurrection of a true King will indeed proclaim Hi(s)Story…and the truth shall be heard in ALL corners of the Earth. Momentarily, the world will quake, for there will be a cosmic shift in "dogma". Time is of the essence, but patience is a viture in [r]evolutionary milestones. Until then, from beyond the gates of that KINGdom----> whispers shall be heard……………."
MJ warned us about the ark in Miss Castaway (thanks Applehead for the video).
There are claims of the ark being found, hidden away, etc but how are we to ever really know if any of these claims have any genuine claim to being the REAL ark. Whoever may bring forth an ark, I will have suspicions, it doesn't matter who is making the claim. And are we supposed to find it? Destroy it?
This video was posted TODAY about how many believe the ark is in Ethiopia, I couldn't find it on youtube so here's a link.
http://www.ethiotube.net/video/16980/CNN--Finding-the-Ark-of-the-Covenant-in-Ethiopia
I sense an ironic undertone to today's re-direct.
Interesting that the video will be published in a date as today, the question I ask myself is how they are going to manipulate people with all this?
sorry should have quoted the scripture in full...
Jeremiah foretold a time when the ark of the covenant would be no more, but that it would not be missed and Jehovah’s worshipers would experience no hardship because of not having it. Instead ‘Jerusalem itself will be called the throne of Jehovah.’—Jer 3:16, 17.
MJ warned us about the ark in Miss Castaway (thanks Applehead for the video).
There are claims of the ark being found, hidden away, etc but how are we to ever really know if any of these claims have any genuine claim to being the REAL ark. Whoever may bring forth an ark, I will have suspicions, it doesn't matter who is making the claim. And are we supposed to find it? Destroy it?
This video was posted TODAY about how many believe the ark is in Ethiopia, I couldn't find it on youtube so here's a link.
http://www.ethiotube.net/video/16980/CNN--Finding-the-Ark-of-the-Covenant-in-Ethiopia
I sense an ironic undertone to today's re-direct.
A "Type" of Christ@Auzzie. You beat me to the post with the same scripture reference.
According to many theologians the Ark of the Covenant foreshadows and symbolizes Jesus Christ.
- The acacia wood represents the Lord's humility.
- The gold represents His Deity.
- The 10 Commandments inside is a picture of Jesus with God's Law in his heart as he perfectly obeys his Father.
- The manna represents Jesus as the Bread of Life and our Savior from death.
- The budding of Aaron's rod foretold of the resurrection.
The Mercy Seat of Our Lord
But, the blood sprinkled over the mercy seat gives a powerful testimony of Jesus shedding his blood in atonement for our sins.
Prophetic Dynamite
Now for a stunning insight:
In John 20:12 we see Mary looking into the empty tomb. "Listen" to God's Word to us very carefully:
..."and she saw two angels in white sitting, one at the head and one at the feet, where the body of Jesus had been lying" (NASB).
Final Atonement
Here Mary saw two angels sitting at each end of the slab which had held the broken body of our Lord. This very scene resembles the original Ark of the Covenant where the two cherubim (angels) hovered over the blood splattered upon the mercy seat!
Remember, between the cherubim were the tablets of the covenant - signifying that Jesus is now the "New Word of God."
No Need to Search Anymore
This gripping portrayal of Christ's atonement for our sins speaks to our hearts as we see its application upon our lives today.
There is no need to search for the mercy seat or the Ark of the Covenant again. The prophet Jeremiah says,
"It shall be in those days when you are multiplied and increased in the land," declares the LORD, 'they shall say no more, 'The ark of the covenant of the LORD.' And it shall not come to mind, nor shall they remember it, nor shall they miss it, nor shall it be made again" (Jeremiah 3:16, NASB).
This verse tells us that during the Millennial rule of Christ we will not need or even remember the Ark of the Covenant! While the world finds its fun and entertainment in wild, adventurous pursuit of things like the Ark of the Covenant, we have found our true Ark in Jesus of Nazareth. We need look no longer.
_________________________________________
I sense an ironic undertone to today's re-direct.
Possibly because there is a strong school of thought that the fabled ark is metaphorical and was never a physical object at all... despite man's repeated attempts over the ages to objectify it; see pics in today's redirect.
All Hell afraid/ :lol: Will Break Loose
I sense an ironic undertone to today's re-direct.
What makes you feel that? I'm curious to know. geek/
Possibly because there is a strong school of thought that the fabled ark is metaphorical and was never a physical object at all... despite man's repeated attempts over the ages to objectify it; see pics in today's redirect.
I just hope this is not preparing the field for a statement as- "Michael's comeback has already happened, you just didn't see it, like the Ark. You don't have to see it to know it's there, as in a symbol, like God". Because as you, I tend to believe this Ark doesn't exist physically.I sense an ironic undertone to today's re-direct.
What makes you feel that? I'm curious to know. geek/Possibly because there is a strong school of thought that the fabled ark is metaphorical and was never a physical object at all... despite man's repeated attempts over the ages to objectify it; see pics in today's redirect.
Agreed, thanks bec. I suppose the underlying irony I sense is that we are shown 'images' of the ark of the covenant - how they want us to perceive it. But nobody (at least not me) knows what it really is. A fake discovery or whatever can be made more real by preconceived notions and the re-direct raises that awareness.
I just hope this is not preparing the field for a statement as- "Michael's comeback has already happened, you just didn't see it, like the Ark. You don't have to see it to know it's there, as in a symbol, like God". Because as you, I tend to believe this Ark doesn't exist physically.I sense an ironic undertone to today's re-direct.
What makes you feel that? I'm curious to know. geek/Possibly because there is a strong school of thought that the fabled ark is metaphorical and was never a physical object at all... despite man's repeated attempts over the ages to objectify it; see pics in today's redirect.
Agreed, thanks bec. I suppose the underlying irony I sense is that we are shown 'images' of the ark of the covenant - how they want us to perceive it. But nobody (at least not me) knows what it really is. A fake discovery or whatever can be made more real by preconceived notions and the re-direct raises that awareness.
And in other order of ideas, no matter how much I read about it, I see no connection between the Ark and this situation and Michael. What is the connection between Michael's life and this Ark? I've read a lot and I don't see it.
http://tinyurl.com/cvldz72
Images of the Ark of the Covenant.
At the end of the day, there was no way to know for certain if the story was true or not. But one thing is for sure: there is no doubt whatsoever in the minds of Ethiopian Christians -- they have the Ark of the Covenant, and they really don't care if the rest of the world believes it or not.
Cornuke thought a moment before explaining what he thought of the theory.
"Well, we don't know where the Ark is," he admitted. "There are many tantalizing theories as to where the Ark could be primarily because it just disappeared in history, it just fell off the map."
QuoteA "Type" of Christ@Auzzie. You beat me to the post with the same scripture reference.
According to many theologians the Ark of the Covenant foreshadows and symbolizes Jesus Christ.
- The acacia wood represents the Lord's humility.
- The gold represents His Deity.
- The 10 Commandments inside is a picture of Jesus with God's Law in his heart as he perfectly obeys his Father.
- The manna represents Jesus as the Bread of Life and our Savior from death.
- The budding of Aaron's rod foretold of the resurrection.
The Mercy Seat of Our Lord
But, the blood sprinkled over the mercy seat gives a powerful testimony of Jesus shedding his blood in atonement for our sins.
Prophetic Dynamite
Now for a stunning insight:
In John 20:12 we see Mary looking into the empty tomb. "Listen" to God's Word to us very carefully:
..."and she saw two angels in white sitting, one at the head and one at the feet, where the body of Jesus had been lying" (NASB).
Final Atonement
Here Mary saw two angels sitting at each end of the slab which had held the broken body of our Lord. This very scene resembles the original Ark of the Covenant where the two cherubim (angels) hovered over the blood splattered upon the mercy seat!
Remember, between the cherubim were the tablets of the covenant - signifying that Jesus is now the "New Word of God."
No Need to Search Anymore
This gripping portrayal of Christ's atonement for our sins speaks to our hearts as we see its application upon our lives today.
There is no need to search for the mercy seat or the Ark of the Covenant again. The prophet Jeremiah says,
"It shall be in those days when you are multiplied and increased in the land," declares the LORD, 'they shall say no more, 'The ark of the covenant of the LORD.' And it shall not come to mind, nor shall they remember it, nor shall they miss it, nor shall it be made again" (Jeremiah 3:16, NASB).
This verse tells us that during the Millennial rule of Christ we will not need or even remember the Ark of the Covenant! While the world finds its fun and entertainment in wild, adventurous pursuit of things like the Ark of the Covenant, we have found our true Ark in Jesus of Nazareth. We need look no longer.
_________________________________________
The true ark of God is the Lord Jesus Christ. All of the promises and provisions of God find their fullfillment in Him.
He is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
And in Him all the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily. [Colossians2:9]
That settles it for me.
This ark of covenant makes me remember MJ casket...
(http://images.wikia.com/indianajones/images/d/da/ArkoftheCovenant.jpg)
(http://mtv.mtvnimages.com/shared/promoimages/news/j/jackson_michael/funeral/jackson_casket281x211.jpg?quality=0.85)
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Shit, not a good reminder but they look similar.
MsTrinity, Thankyou for all your videos and information. You said for Christians the true ark is Jesus Christ. I also read that the ark will surface during the end times. So, if Jesus is the true ark then he is coming back at the end times. This would be the second coming. It seems that everyone is always looking back at what happened 2000 years ago with Jesus and not looking at the clues for the second coming. It's not over. History is continuing. It's not that I don't want to know about what happened back then, but I'm trying to figure out what's going on now. It said in Revelation that the christ will reign or have a kingdom on earth for 1000 years.
When Christians talk about the second coming of Jesus, I don't think they mean in the same exact body from 2000 years ago ? It would have to be someone else born on earth, just like Jesus was born on earth. It would be someone from the lineage of David just like Jesus was. No one knows what that person would look like but I wouldn't think he would look like anyone in those Hollywood movies. If this took place 2000 years ago in Egypt/Israel/Northern Africa area, I think that the people who lived there would be black. That seems logical to me. Think about Moses being adopted by egyptians and no one could tell. Then the hebrews looked similar to the egyptians. Well anyway, what that person looks like doesn't matter. Only what he does for the world matters.
Besides knowing the true ark, what other information do you have about the second coming ? I am just thinking that you have a lot of "stuff" and information. I don't have much but I'm trying to learn.
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Possibly because there is a strong school of thought that the fabled ark is metaphorical and was never a physical object at all... despite man's repeated attempts over the ages to objectify it; see pics in today's redirect.
Daniel 7:13. (ASV)
13 I saw in the night-visions, and, behold, there came with the clouds of heaven one like unto a son of man, and he came even to the ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
Hebrews 7:1-6.
1For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of God Most High, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, 2 to whom also Abraham divided a tenth part of all (being first, by interpretation, King of righteousness, and then also King of Salem, which is King of peace;
3 without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like unto the Son of God), abideth a priest continually.
4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom Abraham, the patriarch, gave a tenth out of the chief spoils.
5 And they indeed of the sons of Levi that receive the priest's office have commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though these have come out of the loins of Abraham:
6 but he whose genealogy is not counted from them hath taken tithes of Abraham, and hath blessed him that hath the promises.
AustralianMJBeLIEver
The Ark was associated with God’s presence throughout its history. Jehovah promised: “I will present myself to you there and speak with you from above the cover, from between the two cherubs that are upon the ark of the testimony.” “In a cloud I shall appear over the cover.” (Ex 25:22; Le 16:2) Samuel wrote that Jehovah “is sitting upon the cherubs” (1Sa 4:4); hence the cherubs served as “the representation of the chariot” of Jehovah. (1Ch 28:18) Accordingly, “whenever Moses went into the tent of meeting to speak with [Jehovah], then he would hear the voice conversing with him from above the cover that was upon the ark of the testimony, from between the two cherubs; and he would speak to him.” (Nu 7:89) Later, Joshua and High Priest Phinehas also inquired of Jehovah before the Ark. (Jos 7:6-10; Jg 20:27, 28) However, only the high priest actually entered the Most Holy and saw the Ark, one day a year, not to communicate with Jehovah, but in carrying out the Atonement Day ceremony.—Le 16:2, 3, 13, 15, 17; Heb 9:7.
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Obviously the Ark is an important part of this hoax. Keep in mind that Michael is considered royalty in Ethiopia. I don't know but it doesn't seem like a coincidence to me that the Ark turned up in Ethiopia. I am thinking it is part of the hoax, but I could be wrong. After thousands of years, it was announced on the day MJ died ? Then they said it would be revealed and it wasn't. Too many coincidences for me. If it is so important and valuable you wouldn't announce exactly where it is and who is guarding it, now would you ??? It doesn't seem real to me. Maybe it's a trap for the "evil side".
Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven." (Acts 1:11) There are others verses in Scripture that tells us that He will "descend from heaven," "He cometh with clouds."(Clouds = UFO’s, IMO)
So if that is the agenda with the hoax, it's all subjective depending on what you believe in. If you're religious than obviously MJ being a "second coming" might not be a good thing, if you're a "New Age" type its a good thing etc.
This blog I think has been mentioned on the forum before but it's fitting here, perhaps someone can post it: Earthenigma.wordpress.com. The poster makes good points and it sounds like the most logical theory so far, what do you all think?
Suzy, some time ago I read about things that you wrote..that kind of things scary me a little..because they (theoretics) consider Michael being Illumin. and that this second coming of savior by their opinion will help uniting people with love, but they stated that false love. I do not believe this to be true, because Michael is love..
Exactly emulik. The Bible speaks of a false second coming or person who will be referred to as being "Christ-like" and it will be deceptive; which is why I say for a believer in The Bible, it isn't a good thing. That's also why I'm not understanding some people who use The Bible to say a second coming is a good thing. But that's why it's subjective depending on ones beliefs.
If you remember at the memorial during "We Are The World", images from every religion were being shown including occult symbols. The New Age religion is Occult Theocracy which is the blending of all religions and occultic beliefs-- we are the world.
So if that is the agenda with the hoax, it's all subjective depending on what you believe in. If you're religious than obviously MJ being a "second coming" might not be a good thing, if you're a "New Age" type its a good thing etc.
This blog I think has been mentioned on the forum before but it's fitting here, perhaps someone can post it: Earthenigma.wordpress.com. The poster makes good points and it sounds like the most logical theory so far, what do you all think?
Exactly emulik. The Bible speaks of a false second coming or person who will be referred to as being "Christ-like" and it will be deceptive; which is why I say for a believer in The Bible, it isn't a good thing. That's also why I'm not understanding some people who use The Bible to say a second coming is a good thing. But that's why it's subjective depending on ones beliefs.
Will Michael Jackson Return in 2012?
Posted in conspiracy, Government Lies, Illuminati, Michael Jackson with tags 2012, Age of Aquarius, alive, calendar, conspiracy, elvis, Gospel, History, Illuminati, Jacko, Jason Pfeiffer, Jesus, JFK, mayans, Michael Jackson, Religion, Tabloid Junkie, They Don't Care about Us, tupac on August 23, 2009 by earthenigmaUPDATED CONTENT – READMichael Jackson will be back at 11:11 on December 21, 2012The Gospel of Michael Jackson will be the death of Jesus
Everyone who has researched 2012 is expecting the world to end, to plummet to new lows, for earthquakes to shake and wars to rage. Others think that enlightenment will descend upon us like the soft landing of a beautiful white dove, for our minds to expand, to reach new levels of consciousness…
What I can say for sure is that the Illuminati will undoubtedly do something to fulfill the prediction. They probably will orchestrate the next world war, they probably will cause extreme weather and earthquakes with the help of HAARP but I think the Illuminati will use their most useful tool to unite the world into a New World Order – Michael Jackson.
The establishment wants you to think MJ is dead – they put a lot of work into this lie but Michael Jackson is alive. If you think Dave Dave wasn’t Michael Jackson on Larry King Live – you’ve got a screw loose. If you think Michael Jackson wasn’t the blonde woman at his tribute show, holding Chris Tucker’s hand, you also have a screw loose.
Michael Jackson’s return is imminent and I urge you to watch the media intently over the next 18 months, because the media will prepare you for his ‘second coming.’
His re-emergence won’t be for the good of the world though – that’s my worry. MJ has so many adoring fans across the globe already, and I suspect that the media will work to change the perception of the many MJ-haters so they all sympathise with him, so they all love him too. It may come to light that he was set up for the so-called child molestation accusations and some illuminati stooge will take the fall for this. It will come to light that his skin condition was due to someone’s foul-play. We will all come to sympathise with him, we will all hate ourselves for doubting him and we will all love him while thinking he is dead.
And then the greatest show on earth will begin. The most ground-breaking CGI spectacle of all time will get the green light. It really will be like ‘the second coming.’
If Michael Jackson is indeed alive, he is without doubt the most powerful tool at the illuminati’s disposal and he will be used to full effect.
No media-fronting superstar has ever gained his level of popularity and exposure – never – and for that reason, the illuminati will use him for all his worth. He really is bigger than Jesus – you saw the world’s reaction when he died. Nobody in such a high profile position can fake their own death without the illuminati establishment knowing about it – absolutely no chance! He appeared as Dave Dave on Larry King so the establishment could see whether or not he had the ability to fool the world – he succeeded. It was also a way to play with the people of the earth. The Illuminati like playing games – remember that – that is why the illuminati symbolism appears in every mainstream music video.
He died in 2009, he will re-emerge in 2012 after 3 years of intense MK-Ultra mind control, 3 years of rehearsals in a secret location for his comeback ‘show.’ The world loves him, but we know what the Illuminati are like. They will use this love and use it to create fear, use it to further their agenda – to complete their agenda in fact, and create the one world, unified government and unified religion.
This brings us to what the Illuminati has used Michael Jackson for all along. They want to unify the world with a new world religion – with MJ as the new Christ and savior.
We are watching and living through the gospel of Michael Jackson. The story will be written that he died and three years later he rose from the dead to ‘save the world.’ He is the new god-head. Like Jesus he had a life of trials and tribulations. Michael was falsely hated and accused (like Jesus) and lived to tell the tale. He taught about love and has many parables, but nobody listened (like Jesus). He was persecuted. He died because somebody betrayed him (his doctor-bloke) and three years later (like Jesus’ three days) he rose from the dead to ‘heal the world.’ The Jesus Gospel marked the Age of Pisces and the Michael Gospel will mark the dawning of the Age of Aquarius. He will probably arrive with the music of ‘Heal the World.’
By December 21, 2012, I imagine the world’s population will be greatly diminished. World Wars, numerous Fukushima’s and major natural disasters will leave humanity turning their back on faith. We will all want something, someone, to help us, to save us and then the illuminati will drop a bomb bigger than Hiroshima. They will drop MJ from the clouds. Everyone will stop and watch the CGI spectacle in awe. Weapons will fall from hands, the earth will stop trembling and Michael will unify the world in love – false love…
The illuminati know we are waking up and are beginning to see through their lies so when Michael returns – be wary, be afraid and question whatever the news networks tell us is ‘truth.’ It won’t be a miracle that he returned from the dead because he didn’t even die… I imagine they will say he ‘did die’ but he didn’t – we know that.
Many of you will be OVER THE MOON when Michael returns but I strongly believe he will be USED to dupe YOU into a new way of thinking. Don’t trust it. EarthEnigma told you now what is going to happen. If I am right (a big IF), I don’t want to say ‘I told you so.’
Michael Jackson will bring about the end to the world’s problems when he returns – but this is what the illuminati are planning. He will bring about a new spiritual era, for he will fulfill the Mayan prophesy, he will be here to save us, but it will all be part of a larger plot, a plan by the elite to gain total control over your lives.ORIGINAL CONTENT:
The King of Pop, Michael Jackson, died on June 25, 2009. He was one of the most commercially successful singers of all time but we all know he had his fair share of problems. His death is now accepted although there is the conspiracy theory that the man is still alive.
(http://earthenigma.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/mj.jpg?w=300&h=300)
Michael Jackson was not a Bad man.
I believed he was dead and I genuinely felt sad about it as I was a huge fan of his music growing up. Last week however, my mind changed and I now believe the man could be alive.
After reading Telegraph.co.uk last week I was startled by this article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/michael-jackson/6065010/Clinic-worker-claims-to-have-had-homosexual-love-affair-with-Michael-Jackson.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/michael-jackson/6065010/Clinic-worker-claims-to-have-had-homosexual-love-affair-with-Michael-Jackson.html). It wasn’t the fact that Michael Jackson had a homosexual relationship as people can do as they please; it was the comments made by his lover. The man in question is called Jason Pfeiffer, a clinic worker who claimed he and Michael Jackson were soul mates. He works at the offices of Jackson’s dermatologist, Dr. Arnold Klein and he and the pop icon had been in regular contact until he died, aged 50, following a cardiac arrest.
Mr. Pfeiffer claims that Jackson “completely changed” in the last two weeks of his life. He said that Jackson was “saying goodbyes the week before passing. Everyone was creeped out by it.” This alone is enough for conspiracy theorists to assume he may be alive but it was these comments that did it for me: “Michael got very retrospective in the last few weeks, he was talking about God and the Mayan calendar and the year 2012 – which is when the Mayan calendar ends.”
The implications of this comment were staggering for me. 2012 and the Mayan calendar are subjects that have consumed so many people in recent years. It has driven many to write books, change their belief system and look within for spiritual salvation so they are prepared for the spiritual awakening of 2012. I personally have been consumed by the subject and maybe Michael Jackson believed that the people of the world would all wake up and the evil that infiltrates the governments today, that controls the banks, big businesses and media would be destroyed as the people would not be as stupid as they are now. Maybe he believed the Mayans and believed that the spiritual awakening would finally ‘Heal the World.’
There is a lot of hype around the Mayan end date and many websites and books claim to have the answer and if Michael Jackson was so hooked on the subject, maybe, just maybe, he faked his own death so that he could return on December 21, 2012 when the world would become enlightened so that he could finally stop being the victim of the Illuminati-controlled corporate media lies.
I believe he wanted to get away from this evil, the same evil that has controlled him throughout his entire music career. Listen to the song ‘They Don’t Care About us’ from History and you will hear his views on those powerful media moguls that have controlled him. Michael Jackson was a supremely intelligent man but as the great Immortal Technique has said, if you’re signed to a major label, the label will ultimately tell you what to sing. You have no freedom. Michael was a man who wanted to sing the songs he wanted to sing, but he wasn’t allowed. He was warned by the ‘big men’ to stay in line by being falsely accused of child molestation more than once and I believe they also gave him skin disease to prove they were not to be messed with. In the end, the media wrecked his career because like Tupac (who was falsely accused of rape), Bob Marley and Elvis, he could not be controlled anymore. If such an inspirational man, who has a power over literally millions of fans, turns away from the big men upstairs and begins to highlight their evil, like Elvis, Tupac and JFK, he will inevitably be removed and will be murdered, unless they can scare the singer into submission.
Therefore, I believe Michael Jackson faked his own death as he felt he could not be himself anymore. He wished to return in 2012 when the Mayan inscriptions say the world will be a different place and love will encompass the globe. This is the only society a person like him, who has been persecuted by the media for 40 years, can live in and I believe he is placing his trust in the Mayans as he waits for his time to come back into the spotlight.
If we are all awoken from our slumber in 2012 as the Mayans said, if we all finally see the evil conducted by the corrupt governments and the Illuminati and if we rebel and fight back against that evil, then the world will be a better place and maybe Michael Jackson will return so that he can be himself and tell us all the true story of his life.
Jackson was so influential that he was never allowed to be himself. His reputation was tarnished on more than one occasion but the man still kept his fans. The corporate media spread its lies about him but if any of us have brains we should never believe the media. Michael Jackson was not a pedophile, he was not ‘Wacko Jacko;’ he was a normal man who happened to be an amazing singer, dancer and performer. The media tried to tarnish his reputation throughout his life as he became bigger than Jesus, and after songs such as ‘They don’t care about us’ and ‘Tabloid Junkie’ on the album History, they tried even harder to discredit him, but they failed.
Imo, by the material used for it´s construction and seeing the floodings and burnings in the world during the years, the ark is gone. Also, the ark has been interpretated like Mary as well, so seems to be a metaphor now.
In egyptian carvings, one can see the ark as well, and differs a little from the one in bible textes (i´ll try to find a pic)
Imo, the Ark=MJ in some way...either something buried in his golden coffin or him as the one that people talks about but no one has seen after "is gone".
It's written about, it's talked about, but no one has ever actually seen it or seen evidence of it. Just because it's written (in the Bible) doesn't mean it's the gospel. Right??? Right.
Imo, by the material used for it´s construction and seeing the floodings and burnings in the world during the years, the ark is gone. Also, the ark has been interpretated like Mary as well, so seems to be a metaphor now.
In egyptian carvings, one can see the ark as well, and differs a little from the one in bible textes (i´ll try to find a pic)
Imo, the Ark=MJ in some way...either something buried in his golden coffin or him as the one that people talks about but no one has seen after "is gone".
very true. in addition to the ark being prone to the elements of sun / water / earthquakes, etc, if it was also god's desire for it not to be found, i am sure he would ensure that it isnt found. not saying that this is the case. but i do know that the ark wasnt to be objectified as an icon of worship. and if it were to be located and revealed we all know that the majority of religious people in the world would worship it to a degree.
IMHO, according to my studies, the ark mentioned again in revelation is not the same ark from moses day, that will be found and revealed to our generation via religio/archeologist or pseudoarcheologist. The ark in Rev is a symbolic ark which represents Gods presence when the temple sacturary in the heavens is opened. The ark will be visable to Gods High Priest, being JC and to the underpriests being the heavenly anointed. Just as in earthly jerusalem, the israelites did NOT SEE the ark, but they were enlightened and did discern his presence. We too (those who survive EOW when the wicked and its system are removed from earth according to psalms 37:9 and 10) will NOT see the ark physically, but will discern Gods presence under a righteous new kingdom ruled by God. I believe this ark seen in revelation represents a new covenent between god and the subjects of his righteous kingdom.
again, just my opinion. dont believe this ark is a new christ, second coming, or any other person, incl MJ.
re: physical ark, if any such physical ark is ever produced with the dimensions and the description of the ark described in moses day, I will personally, be choosing to believe that it is a fake and not the original ark used in the tabernacle to contain the tablets. not nessacarily a fake produced in modern times, perhaps a fake produced by ancient pagan kings / worshipers as a replica of Gods true ark. because i personally do not believe that god would allow the original physical ark to be located and perhaps may have even purposefully destoryed it by elements, etc.
the reason i say this, is look at what the israelites did at the base of mt sinai when moses went to get the two tablets. they couldnt be patient and wait for their their leader moses, he was gone, up in the mountains talking to God. they grew rebellious and impatient and even coherced aaron into building a physical monument of a golden calf to worship, straight after god had delivered them from the hand of the egyptians. as described in exodus.32:9-10 they were a 'stiff necked' people.. they needed something physical to worship even though it was against gods commandments, so they built the calf.
i use this example, because if an ancient ark of covenant is revealed and proven to date back 1000's of years, who can be really sure that it was THE ark and not a replica make by rebellious false worshipers, or kings to control their subjects, or whatever other possible situation that may cause one to create an imitation. people in those days were known to produce icons, statues, monuments as many lacked faith and felt they needed something physical to worship, although god forbade this in his commandments.
The ark is a legend born of rumor which has become "real" due to the perpetuation of that rumor throughout the ages. It's an ancient example of "the lie becomes the truth".
Good points Sarahli, however I don't believe people should be fearful, just aware. For example, I am not at all fearful if this was the agenda to be implemented because I know what I believe, as everyone should. The blogger actually noted it *could* be on their agenda not that "he literally died" is what will in fact be said; but it could go either way. Honestly, seeing people on this forum who believe MJ is the real second coming even though they are aware of the same clues showing he never actually died, still believe he is an angelic being literally. If they believe this theory, than it's already working no?
So even though we have received clues all along, the agenda is still possible. The Jesus references popping up all the time isn't a coincidence, unless he is being used as a metaphor for MJ. But as I stated above people aren't taking it that way.
And yes people being fearful can blind them from the truth; just as being to gullible can do the same. Everyone should be aware, be cautious, and question what is presented as the truth. We have to wonder how people in huge corporations like Sony, TMZ, and Coca-Cola are involved in the hoax yet the people who own these corporations aren't? They have to know something, and either way they're benefiting from this.
I don't want people to be scared though as I said: I was one of TS' biggest advocates. These are just theories and the truth always prevails in the end. When I said this was the most logical theory, I meant in terms of the "second coming" theories that are discussed.
Australian, bearhug and love to you too. <33
Good points Sarahli, however I don't believe people should be fearful, just aware. For example, I am not at all fearful if this was the agenda to be implemented because I know what I believe, as everyone should. The blogger actually noted it *could* be on their agenda not that "he literally died" is what will in fact be said; but it could go either way. Honestly, seeing people on this forum who believe MJ is the real second coming even though they are aware of the same clues showing he never actually died, still believe he is an angelic being literally. If they believe this theory, than it's already working no?
So even though we have received clues all along, the agenda is still possible. The Jesus references popping up all the time isn't a coincidence, unless he is being used as a metaphor for MJ. But as I stated above people aren't taking it that way.
And yes people being fearful can blind them from the truth; just as being to gullible can do the same. Everyone should be aware, be cautious, and question what is presented as the truth. We have to wonder how people in huge corporations like Sony, TMZ, and Coca-Cola are involved in the hoax yet the people who own these corporations aren't? They have to know something, and either way they're benefiting from this.
I don't want people to be scared though as I said: I was one of TS' biggest advocates. These are just theories and the truth always prevails in the end. When I said this was the most logical theory, I meant in terms of the "second coming" theories that are discussed.
Australian, bearhug and love to you too. <33
Michael never said he was an angel and he never said he was Jesus, on the contrary he had to insist and say things like "I cut and I bleed and I embarass easily" so that people comprehend. He sang "I'm only human". It's clear. I can't even understand why it has to be said lol. The problem is that the human being's tendency is to worship/idolize other human beings instead of God and I don't think that it's the Hoax who implemented those beliefs like for example this idea that Michael is a REAL angel. People make up these ideas by themselves.
Exodus 25:31-40
31 “Make a lampstand of pure gold. Hammer out its base and shaft, and make its flowerlike cups, buds and blossoms of one piece with them. 32 Six branches are to extend from the sides of the lampstand—three on one side and three on the other. 33 Three cups shaped like almond flowers with buds and blossoms are to be on one branch, three on the next branch, and the same for all six branches extending from the lampstand. 34 And on the lampstand there are to be four cups shaped like almond flowers with buds and blossoms. 35 One bud shall be under the first pair of branches extending from the lampstand, a second bud under the second pair, and a third bud under the third pair—six branches in all. 36 The buds and branches shall all be of one piece with the lampstand, hammered out of pure gold.
37 “Then make its seven lamps and set them up on it so that they light the space in front of it. 38 Its wick trimmers and trays are to be of pure gold. 39 A talent[a] of pure gold is to be used for the lampstand and all these accessories. 40 See that you make them according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.
IMO it is God the Creator of the Universe, who has created the story-line of history, using the Bible as a code book, to feed the story-line. Every story needs good and evil, light and darkness, hero and villian. I believe the Bible to be a book guided by God, through E.T.'s as well. They guide leaders and secret societies on earth, but ultimately it is God who is in complete control of the beginning and the end. God has intentionally tried to shape the thinking of the religious on earth, perhaps a third of mankind, but he has put a veil over the eyes of the rest. Intentional. There is no free choice, and we are being led along according to plan. What orthodox Christians see as believing in one narrow way for salvation, in Jesus Christ, I see as a twist in the God hoax/game. The God of the Old Testament was all about--one false move and you're dead, and the Jesus of the New Testament was supposedly all about love, until we read that in Revelation it is he who is behind the vast bloodshed of the majority on earth who don't believe. And it's all about saying the magical "Sinner's Prayer", or not. And it's all about race as well, because God has incorporated lots of hoaxes within hoaxes. The white world thinking Jesus is white, when he was really black. Thinking the Jews of Israel are the real Israelites when they have stolen that place. Hoaxes, "lies", with no end. The church perpetuating the hoax about hell, when it is all about word study, translation, interpretation of when to take literally and when metaphorically. I believe all these stories and people in the Bible really happened and lived, but they only knew what limited information they were told, just as us today.
I learned about all this long before June 25, 2009, so it had nothing to do with TPTB preparing me to think of MJ is the One. Then as I 'discovered' MJ afterwards, my spirit simply leaped within me, recognizing the culmination of my own personal journey, reexamining all the cherished church dogma. My belief in MJ fullfilling Scripture is totally not based on Illuminati, but on what I believe is false church teaching for thousands of years. God's plan is all about keeping humanity guessing, on the edge of their seats, disagreeing with and judging each other, as to who's right/wrong, who's saved/damned, who's more spiritual/worldly. Then God will do something completely unexpected. In the end, I'm absolutely convinced the Bible promises that all will be saved, and that not one person will burn in hell. All humans, whether "evil" bankers or church pastors are only doing as they have been guided to do in their role, given by God. I'm actually glad we have atheists, because they give some sense of balance to the blood-letting that goes on in the religious world over who's deserving hell and who's good enough for heaven. It's a story-line folks. Remember MJ's rocket video on stage, where he travels the rollercoaster through time. MJ has the very best understanding of Scripture and history that I've ever heard from the lips of anyone, hands down. That's because he's read SO much in a broad scope, and met with people and their thinking from all over the world, something few have done. There is no one like him.
Yes, I think EarthEnigma's got a good realistic theory going, but that's only if you're locked into the orthodox box, where the majority of humans ever born are going to be burning in hell forever if they don't say the magic name of Jesus, which by the way isn't even the proper name anyway, and which no one even knows what he looked like or will look like. The Shroud of Turin was a fraud. For all we know he looked exactly like Michael Jackson, only with a robe and sandals on ;)
Reality and illusion, body or no body--- this has been going on for a long time. It's only when you step outside of the religious box, that you can see a bigger picture emerge. MJ's hoax is a micro-cosm of God's much grander hoax, very similar to the story of the Wizard of Oz (God behind the curtain and we on the road).
Yes, there may be a lot of bloodshed and suffering, even next year, who knows, but as long as we love God and others, we will be all right. And I'm staying on the MJ train, and lovin it!
This is all just my opinion and theory, and I don't mean to offend anyone. It's just that I've been there in the church world all my life. I respect all beliefs. respect/
IMO it is God the Creator of the Universe, who has created the story-line of history, using the Bible as a code book, to feed the story-line. Every story needs good and evil, light and darkness, hero and villian. I believe the Bible to be a book guided by God, through E.T.'s as well. They guide leaders and secret societies on earth, but ultimately it is God who is in complete control of the beginning and the end. God has intentionally tried to shape the thinking of the religious on earth, perhaps a third of mankind, but he has put a veil over the eyes of the rest. Intentional. There is no free choice, and we are being led along according to plan. What orthodox Christians see as believing in one narrow way for salvation, in Jesus Christ, I see as a twist in the God hoax/game. The God of the Old Testament was all about--one false move and you're dead, and the Jesus of the New Testament was supposedly all about love, until we read that in Revelation it is he who is behind the vast bloodshed of the majority on earth who don't believe. And it's all about saying the magical "Sinner's Prayer", or not. And it's all about race as well, because God has incorporated lots of hoaxes within hoaxes. The white world thinking Jesus is white, when he was really black. Thinking the Jews of Israel are the real Israelites when they have stolen that place. Hoaxes, "lies", with no end. The church perpetuating the hoax about hell, when it is all about word study, translation, interpretation of when to take literally and when metaphorically. I believe all these stories and people in the Bible really happened and lived, but they only knew what limited information they were told, just as us today.
I learned about all this long before June 25, 2009, so it had nothing to do with TPTB preparing me to think of MJ is the One. Then as I 'discovered' MJ afterwards, my spirit simply leaped within me, recognizing the culmination of my own personal journey, reexamining all the cherished church dogma. My belief in MJ fullfilling Scripture is totally not based on Illuminati, but on what I believe is false church teaching for thousands of years. God's plan is all about keeping humanity guessing, on the edge of their seats, disagreeing with and judging each other, as to who's right/wrong, who's saved/damned, who's more spiritual/worldly. Then God will do something completely unexpected. In the end, I'm absolutely convinced the Bible promises that all will be saved, and that not one person will burn in hell. All humans, whether "evil" bankers or church pastors are only doing as they have been guided to do in their role, given by God. I'm actually glad we have atheists, because they give some sense of balance to the blood-letting that goes on in the religious world over who's deserving hell and who's good enough for heaven. It's a story-line folks. Remember MJ's rocket video on stage, where he travels the rollercoaster through time. MJ has the very best understanding of Scripture and history that I've ever heard from the lips of anyone, hands down. That's because he's read SO much in a broad scope, and met with people and their thinking from all over the world, something few have done. There is no one like him.
Yes, I think EarthEnigma's got a good realistic theory going, but that's only if you're locked into the orthodox box, where the majority of humans ever born are going to be burning in hell forever if they don't say the magic name of Jesus, which by the way isn't even the proper name anyway, and which no one even knows what he looked like or will look like. The Shroud of Turin was a fraud. For all we know he looked exactly like Michael Jackson, only with a robe and sandals on ;)
Reality and illusion, body or no body--- this has been going on for a long time. It's only when you step outside of the religious box, that you can see a bigger picture emerge. MJ's hoax is a micro-cosm of God's much grander hoax, very similar to the story of the Wizard of Oz (God behind the curtain and we on the road).
Yes, there may be a lot of bloodshed and suffering, even next year, who knows, but as long as we love God and others, we will be all right. And I'm staying on the MJ train, and lovin it!
This is all just my opinion and theory, and I don't mean to offend anyone. It's just that I've been there in the church world all my life. I respect all beliefs. respect/
It's written about, it's talked about, but no one has ever actually seen it or seen evidence of it. Just because it's written (in the Bible) doesn't mean it's the gospel. Right??? Right.
It's written about, it's talked about, but no one has ever actually seen it or seen evidence of it. Just because it's written (in the Bible) doesn't mean it's the gospel. Right??? Right.
yes. correct, no one has seen it. (well not in modern times) its a matter of faith...
but appreciate and respect your viewpoint
In regards to the Ark, bec you made a good point, but The Bible is supposed to be The Gospel. Major religions believe in it for a reason, I mean the 10 commandments had to arrive in something, right? The idea of faith is one that is also open to interpretation. We are told to have faith in MJ and his being alive are we not? Even though we cannot see him, hear him, or touch him, we have to have faith he is here. Of course we have "evidence" of some kind, but just because we have this "evidence" of written words on documents etc., does not prove our belief to be true; much like The Bible. If we have definitive proof, we wouldn't need faith. It is very true that just because we believe in something does not make it true, rather it makes it our truth, that is why we need evidence AND faith. The Bible has and is evidence, but you also must have faith.
It's connection to MJ I believe to be metaphorical, much like others. Also it's connection to the EOW, and deception. I think the ability TS wants people to understand and have, is the ability to find the truth.
It's written about, it's talked about, but no one has ever actually seen it or seen evidence of it. Just because it's written (in the Bible) doesn't mean it's the gospel. Right??? Right.
yes. correct, no one has seen it. (well not in modern times) its a matter of faith...
but appreciate and respect your viewpoint
"Faith= belief in something for which there is no evidence" and there is none for the Ark, let alone the reason for the Ark's asserted existence, the presence of stone tablets written upon by the flaming hand of God on top of a mountain.. talk of it in the Bible only proves there is talk of it in the Bible. Bible is proof of nothing imo, except itself.
Example...I want to believe in unicorns. There is much ancient writing of their existence. I have faith they exist even though no one has ever seen or detected one in spite of searching. Believing doesn't always equal truth...
If someone asked you to jump on board a plane and said it would hold you aloft, yet you had never seen one before, would you jump on if they said "just have faith, it can fly..."
If it couldn't, faith could get you into a whole lot of hot water...
@Heartsong I never said that; I think there are facts in The Bible but faith must also be used, much like this hoax. We have evidence, but we need faith aswell. Of course if you don't believe in it, you'll think otherwise.
Science is flawed, and scientists are constantly changing their beliefs and debunking their own theories previously held amongst the majority as "truth". Some will say religion and science don't mix, I tend to think scientists and religion don't mix.
If anything, the study of science--atoms, molecules, DNA--all prove the existence of an intelligent creator. Learning about all of these things, for example the intricate system of DNA within our bodies and nature; or the perfect mathematics in everything from the solar system to a flower, I wonder how one cannot believe in a God? So in my opinion, science can be used to prove a creator exists rather than disprove.
Science is based on the premise that a tangible, physical claim can be either proved or disproved by more tangible/physical evidence. Therefore, how can something non-physical or intangible such as God, or spirits etc, be disproved by lack of physical evidence? Or, why does the divine existence of a God need to be proven based upon physical evidence?
We can't see wind but when it blows we feel it's existence. We can't see gravity, but the fact that "what goes up must come down" and our feet stay on the floor etc., proves it exists. It can go on and on. The fact is that just because the human mind cannot fathom the existence of an infinite, intelligent designer does not mean he doesn't exist; it only means we can't prove it with physical evidence. Humans are curious creatures constantly needing to know why, how, when, where and who, whilst reducing everything to things that fit within our realm of understanding. Sometimes we really do just need to have faith and combine it with logic.
mathematical design of that nature is statistically impossible within our whole universe.[
In the end, I'm absolutely convinced the Bible promises that all will be saved, and that not one person will burn in hell. All humans, whether "evil" bankers or church pastors are only doing as they have been guided to do in their role, given by God.
Understanding and explaining scientific issues doesn't really mean that there is a need to exclude faith and belief....we are just understanding and explaining. The most rational thought must be to believe in a CREATOR since scientifically thinking is also to imply an ORIGIN to everything that exists.
Well then - you're in good company since a lot of scientists sooner or later come to a conclusion like 'the more I learn the more I belive in the existance of a creator'
Diggyon
If what you're saying is right, then I will go and do all kinds of sins, steal, kill and do follow the Illuminati evil plans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I thought hell is mentioned in the bible!!! We have to follow God's words. If we don't we will go to hell. If we worship the devil, then at the end hell will expect us. Adam was thrown out of heaven because he followed the devil's words. So I go and worship the devil and still go to heaven? Do you want to convince me that those who want to kill humanity and want to eliminate the world population with their evil plans will at the end be awarded and will go to heaven?? If they do then this means that there is no devine justice at all and there is not even hope in God. What do we always say about God???? The real justice is not on earth. It's in God's hands and he will award those who follow his words.
Heb 12:2 says "...Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith". And Rom 12:3 says " ... God has allotted to each a measure of faith.” "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God.” Eph 2:8
The Bible is full of paradoxes.'
Personally I believe God wanted mankind to believe in hell, because the concept certainly has created chaos.
MJ said he could have changed the heart of Hitler.
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God.” Eph 2:8
In the end, I'm absolutely convinced the Bible promises that all will be saved, and that not one person will burn in hell. All humans, whether "evil" bankers or church pastors are only doing as they have been guided to do in their role, given by God.
MsTrinity, Thankyou for all your videos and information. You said for Christians the true ark is Jesus Christ. I also read that the ark will surface during the end times. So, if Jesus is the true ark then he is coming back at the end times. This would be the second coming. It seems that everyone is always looking back at what happened 2000 years ago with Jesus and not looking at the clues for the second coming. It's not over. History is continuing. It's not that I don't want to know about what happened back then, but I'm trying to figure out what's going on now. It said in Revelation that the christ will reign or have a kingdom on earth for 1000 years.
When Christians talk about the second coming of Jesus, I don't think they mean in the same exact body from 2000 years ago ? It would have to be someone else born on earth, just like Jesus was born on earth. It would be someone from the lineage of David just like Jesus was. No one knows what that person would look like but I wouldn't think he would look like anyone in those Hollywood movies. If this took place 2000 years ago in Egypt/Israel/Northern Africa area, I think that the people who lived there would be black. That seems logical to me. Think about Moses being adopted by egyptians and no one could tell. Then the hebrews looked similar to the egyptians. Well anyway, what that person looks like doesn't matter. Only what he does for the world matters.
Besides knowing the true ark, what other information do you have about the second coming ? I am just thinking that you have a lot of "stuff" and information. I don't have much but I'm trying to learn.
Love ;)) 8) 8) :D ::P
Wow... 5 pgs and I'm just know doing a quick reply and will catch up ASAP after Christmas.
#1 You are correct; (I have studied this since I was saved @14) there will be a second coming and a 1000 yr Millenial Rein after. But it will be THE same Jesus born 2000 yrs ago in his glorified body. We will see him as he is.
#2 I do have a lot of info on my YOUTUBE Channel the link should be below my avatar. There's two playlists LOADED with info. One titled Spirituality, the other Chuck Missler. For the serious student he is the Ultimate teacher for all things End Time related. This man goes places with Hebrew, Greek, Science, Math & Physics I've never heard before! He will blow your mind. Right now he's on GodTv doing his "The Christmas Story" series. They will probably run it again. I highly recommend it. I have it in my lists too. Also books by Grant Jeffries (sp?), ummmm The Salem Kirban reference Bible for verse by verse study of Revelation is great too. Its old so I dont know if its still available. I wish GodTv would replay or make available their series 'Apocalypse And The End Times.' It's sooooo valuable in this day & time with all the top teachers discussing these subjects. Anyway I hope this helps and I will try and get caught up. Merry Christmas!
MsTrinity, Thankyou for all your videos and information. You said for Christians the true ark is Jesus Christ. I also read that the ark will surface during the end times. So, if Jesus is the true ark then he is coming back at the end times. This would be the second coming. It seems that everyone is always looking back at what happened 2000 years ago with Jesus and not looking at the clues for the second coming. It's not over. History is continuing. It's not that I don't want to know about what happened back then, but I'm trying to figure out what's going on now. It said in Revelation that the christ will reign or have a kingdom on earth for 1000 years.
When Christians talk about the second coming of Jesus, I don't think they mean in the same exact body from 2000 years ago ? It would have to be someone else born on earth, just like Jesus was born on earth. It would be someone from the lineage of David just like Jesus was. No one knows what that person would look like but I wouldn't think he would look like anyone in those Hollywood movies. If this took place 2000 years ago in Egypt/Israel/Northern Africa area, I think that the people who lived there would be black. That seems logical to me. Think about Moses being adopted by egyptians and no one could tell. Then the hebrews looked similar to the egyptians. Well anyway, what that person looks like doesn't matter. Only what he does for the world matters.
Besides knowing the true ark, what other information do you have about the second coming ? I am just thinking that you have a lot of "stuff" and information. I don't have much but I'm trying to learn.
Love ;)) 8) 8) :D ::P
Wow... 5 pgs and I'm just know doing a quick reply and will catch up ASAP after Christmas.
#1 You are correct; (I have studied this since I was saved @14) there will be a second coming and a 1000 yr Millenial Rein after. But it will be THE same Jesus born 2000 yrs ago in his glorified body. We will see him as he is.
#2 I do have a lot of info on my YOUTUBE Channel the link should be below my avatar. There's two playlists LOADED with info. One titled Spirituality, the other Chuck Missler. For the serious student he is the Ultimate teacher for all things End Time related. This man goes places with Hebrew, Greek, Science, Math & Physics I've never heard before! He will blow your mind. Right now he's on GodTv doing his "The Christmas Story" series. They will probably run it again. I highly recommend it. I have it in my lists too. Also books by Grant Jeffries (sp?), ummmm The Salem Kirban reference Bible for verse by verse study of Revelation is great too. Its old so I dont know if its still available. I wish GodTv would replay or make available their series 'Apocalypse And The End Times.' It's sooooo valuable in this day & time with all the top teachers discussing these subjects. Anyway I hope this helps and I will try and get caught up. Merry Christmas!
practical teacher.
At first glance, that gold box reminded me of Michael’s casket at the Staples Center. The golden box that represented the certain death of Michael Jackson simply because it was there. We are given to seeing it, and because it is tangible it is given as proof unseen that Michael Jackson is dead inside it. However, seeing is believing and that casket was never opened. We saw a box not the contents therein.
Maybe there is an irony relative to the casket in this direct. It was a golden box, but what did it represent in the scheme of things? The same could be said of the crypt with no name STILL. People go there believing that Michael Jackson is there simply because minds are programmed to believe that there can’t be one without the other. There was a casket, a service, an entombment. But there was never any conclusive evidence that Michael Jackson was or is in or at either of them.
Sorry Gina, the Bible being changed and heavily edited over the ages is historical fact. There are entire books that were removed (censored) and have been lost forever thank you Spanish Inquisition.Historical fact? I've seen no evidence of this historical fact. Maybe there is evidence but I didn't see it.
Misquoting Jesus provides much background into how the Bible became the Bible. It happened through numerous human decisions over the centuries. For instance, the first time any Christian of record listed the 27 books of the New Testament as the books of the New Testament was 300 years after the books have been written (page 36). And those works have been radically altered over the years at the hands of the scribes “who were not only conserving scripture but also changing it.” Ehrman points out that most of the hundreds of thousands of textual changes found among the manuscripts were “completely insignificant, immaterial, of no real importance.” In short, they were innocent mistakes involving misspelling or inadvertence.
On the other hand, the very meaning of the text changed in some instances. Some Bible scholars have even concluded that it makes no sense to talk about the “original” text of the Bible. (Page 210). As a result of studying surviving Greek manuscripts of the New Testament, Ehrman concluded that we simply don’t have the original words constituting the New Testament.
Not only do we not have the originals, we don’t have the first copies of the originals. We don’t even have copies of the copies of the originals, or copies of the copies of the copies of the originals. What we have are copies made later-much later. In most instances, they are copies made many centuries later. And these copies all differ from one another, and many thousands of places . . . Possibly it is easiest to put it in comparative terms: there are more differences among our manuscripts and there are words in the New Testament.
In Misquoting Jesus Bart Ehrman spells out the ways in which several critical passages of the New Testament were changed or concocted. They are startling examples:
A.) Everyone knows the story about Jesus and the woman about to be stoned by the mob. This account is only found in John 7:53-8:12. The mob asked Jesus whether they should stone the woman (the punishment required by the Old Testament) or show her mercy. Jesus doesn’t fall for this trap. Jesus allegedly states “Let the one who is without sin among you be the first to cast a stone at her.” The crowd dissipates out of shame. Ehrman states that this brilliant story was not originally in the Gospel of John or in any of the Gospels. “It was added by later scribes.” The story is not found in “our oldest and best manuscripts of the Gospel of John. Nor does its writing style comport with the rest of John. Most serious textual critics state that this story should not be considered part of the Bible (page 65).
B) after Jesus died, Mary Magdalene and two other women came back to the tomb to anoint the body of Jesus, according to Mark 16:1-2). They were met by a man in a white robe who told them that Jesus had been raised and was no longer there. The women fled and said nothing more to anyone out of fear (16:4-8). Everyone knows the rest of Mark’s Gospel, of course. The problem with the remainder of the story is that none of it was originally in the Gospel of Mark. It was added by a later scribe. Those additions include all of the following:
Jesus himself appeared to Mary Magdalene. She told the eleven apostles (minus Judas) about this vision, but they did not believe her. Jesus then appeared to the apostles, chastising them for failing to believe. He tells them that those who believe will be saved and those who don’t will be condemned. Then follows a critically important passage of the Bible.QuoteAnd these are the signs that will accompany those who believe: they will cast out demons in my name; they will speak in new tongues; and they will take up snakes in their hands; and if they drink any poison, it will not harm them; they will place their hands upon the sick and heal them.
gé: the earth, land
Original Word: γῆ, γῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: gé
Phonetic Spelling: (ghay)
Short Definition: the earth, soil, land
Definition: the earth, soil, land, region, country, inhabitants of a region.
1093 gḗ – properly, the physical earth; (figuratively) the "arena" we live in which operates in space and time which God uses to prepare us for eternity.
The physical earth (1093 /gḗ) is the temporary, probationary place to live out moral preferences "through the body," i.e. as free moral agents (cf. 2 Cor 5:1-10). In this way, God makes an eternal record of everything we do on the earth. Through faith, each scene of life becomes equally, eternally significant (cf. Mt 13:31,32,17:20; cf. also Lk 16:10; Lk 17:6; 2 Pet 1:1).
[The OT Hebrew term, 776 /asitía ("earth"), also refers to the physical earth as "God's arena" – "the physical theater" in which our eternal destiny freely plays out.]
@Gina: I didn't just make it up.QuoteMisquoting Jesus provides much background into how the Bible became the Bible. It happened through numerous human decisions over the centuries. For instance, the first time any Christian of record listed the 27 books of the New Testament as the books of the New Testament was 300 years after the books have been written (page 36). And those works have been radically altered over the years at the hands of the scribes “who were not only conserving scripture but also changing it.” Ehrman points out that most of the hundreds of thousands of textual changes found among the manuscripts were “completely insignificant, immaterial, of no real importance.” In short, they were innocent mistakes involving misspelling or inadvertence.
On the other hand, the very meaning of the text changed in some instances. Some Bible scholars have even concluded that it makes no sense to talk about the “original” text of the Bible. (Page 210). As a result of studying surviving Greek manuscripts of the New Testament, Ehrman concluded that we simply don’t have the original words constituting the New Testament.
Not only do we not have the originals, we don’t have the first copies of the originals. We don’t even have copies of the copies of the originals, or copies of the copies of the copies of the originals. What we have are copies made later-much later. In most instances, they are copies made many centuries later. And these copies all differ from one another, and many thousands of places . . . Possibly it is easiest to put it in comparative terms: there are more differences among our manuscripts and there are words in the New Testament.
In Misquoting Jesus Bart Ehrman spells out the ways in which several critical passages of the New Testament were changed or concocted. They are startling examples:
A.) Everyone knows the story about Jesus and the woman about to be stoned by the mob. This account is only found in John 7:53-8:12. The mob asked Jesus whether they should stone the woman (the punishment required by the Old Testament) or show her mercy. Jesus doesn’t fall for this trap. Jesus allegedly states “Let the one who is without sin among you be the first to cast a stone at her.” The crowd dissipates out of shame. Ehrman states that this brilliant story was not originally in the Gospel of John or in any of the Gospels. “It was added by later scribes.” The story is not found in “our oldest and best manuscripts of the Gospel of John. Nor does its writing style comport with the rest of John. Most serious textual critics state that this story should not be considered part of the Bible (page 65).
B) after Jesus died, Mary Magdalene and two other women came back to the tomb to anoint the body of Jesus, according to Mark 16:1-2). They were met by a man in a white robe who told them that Jesus had been raised and was no longer there. The women fled and said nothing more to anyone out of fear (16:4-8). Everyone knows the rest of Mark’s Gospel, of course. The problem with the remainder of the story is that none of it was originally in the Gospel of Mark. It was added by a later scribe. Those additions include all of the following:
Jesus himself appeared to Mary Magdalene. She told the eleven apostles (minus Judas) about this vision, but they did not believe her. Jesus then appeared to the apostles, chastising them for failing to believe. He tells them that those who believe will be saved and those who don’t will be condemned. Then follows a critically important passage of the Bible.QuoteAnd these are the signs that will accompany those who believe: they will cast out demons in my name; they will speak in new tongues; and they will take up snakes in their hands; and if they drink any poison, it will not harm them; they will place their hands upon the sick and heal them.
Quote from: GINAFELICIABut I wonder where those words of wisdom in the gospells came from ......the writer must have been really inspired.(A bit off-topic, nevertheless.)
Writers of the Gospels is what most religious scholars posit today. Biblical scholar Bart Ehrman has written several books on the origins of the Gospels, the Bible as a whole, and Christianity in general including his latest: http://www.amazon.com/Forged-Writing-God--Why-Bibles-Authors/dp/0062012614/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1324769919&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Forged-Writing-God--Why-Bibles-Authors/dp/0062012614/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1324769919&sr=8-1).
Although I haven't read Ehrman's latest book, I have read some of his earlier books on the subject. He is a respected scholar in his field, but of course, there are other scholars who beg to differ with his perspective who are just as respected. <!-- s;) --> ;) <!-- s;) -->
Sorry Gina, the Bible being changed and heavily edited over the ages is historical fact. There are entire books that were removed (censored) and have been lost forever thank you Spanish Inquisition.Historical fact? I've seen no evidence of this historical fact. Maybe there is evidence but I didn't see it.
A book removed doesn't mean the content of the others was changed. But who can really confirm that book was removed?
Sorry Gina, the Bible being changed and heavily edited over the ages is historical fact. There are entire books that were removed (censored) and have been lost forever thank you Spanish Inquisition.Historical fact? I've seen no evidence of this historical fact. Maybe there is evidence but I didn't see it.
A book removed doesn't mean the content of the others was changed. But who can really confirm that book was removed?
Gina,
Anyway, I tend to believe the whole universe is an illusion, like the dream of the Creator, we live in his dream.
Well, I'm not sure, but sometimes I have this strong Matrix feeling as well. Like nothing is real, just an illusion.
May we agree that some folks would like us to question God and the bible?
Isn't this the exact trail foreseen?
Sorry Gina, the Bible being changed and heavily edited over the ages is historical fact. There are entire books that were removed (censored) and have been lost forever thank you Spanish Inquisition.Historical fact? I've seen no evidence of this historical fact. Maybe there is evidence but I didn't see it.
A book removed doesn't mean the content of the others was changed. But who can really confirm that book was removed?
I assume you have read the bible. And i also assume that you are christian. Didn't you ever realize the paradoxes in the bible??? Well this is the M A I N evidence that the bible has been changed during history. If that was not the case, then you wouldn't find all these strange stuff that contradict each other.
A.) Everyone knows the story about Jesus and the woman about to be stoned by the mob. This account is only found in John 7:53-8:12. The mob asked Jesus whether they should stone the woman (the punishment required by the Old Testament) or show her mercy. Jesus doesn’t fall for this trap. Jesus allegedly states “Let the one who is without sin among you be the first to cast a stone at her.” The crowd dissipates out of shame. Ehrman states that this brilliant story was not originally in the Gospel of John or in any of the Gospels. “It was added by later scribes.” The story is not found in “our oldest and best manuscripts of the Gospel of John. Nor does its writing style comport with the rest of John. Most serious textual critics state that this story should not be considered part of the Bible (page 65).
Bible was changed? I simply don't think so. Not based on evidence, I just don't believe it was changed
QuoteA.) Everyone knows the story about Jesus and the woman about to be stoned by the mob. This account is only found in John 7:53-8:12. The mob asked Jesus whether they should stone the woman (the punishment required by the Old Testament) or show her mercy. Jesus doesn’t fall for this trap. Jesus allegedly states “Let the one who is without sin among you be the first to cast a stone at her.” The crowd dissipates out of shame. Ehrman states that this brilliant story was not originally in the Gospel of John or in any of the Gospels. “It was added by later scribes.” The story is not found in “our oldest and best manuscripts of the Gospel of John. Nor does its writing style comport with the rest of John. Most serious textual critics state that this story should not be considered part of the Bible (page 65).
But bec how do we know this Ehrman really saw the manuscripts of the Gospel of John? I am sorry but how is it that he had access to the manuscript? That line "who is without sin let him throw the first stone" is brilliant anyway, who could have gave such an answer if not Jesus?
Anyway, I wish i would see proof from the original manuscript that the story didn't exist there before I trust someone else telling me the story was not there.
Bec
If first hand knowledge isn't available then we should simply plug our ears and close our eyes and yell NEENER NEENER NEENER until all the confusing things in the world go away and leave us alone in our fortress of solitude and simplicity.
QuoteBec
If first hand knowledge isn't available then we should simply plug our ears and close our eyes and yell NEENER NEENER NEENER until all the confusing things in the world go away and leave us alone in our fortress of solitude and simplicity.
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRXxIyx2Uq3kCMIy4eD2QAv9FajQLd10hd9g3gXIpINaQJofKQquA) :lol:
People can believe in what they wish; but we should have all learned by now to question everything; not just believe certain things only because we WANT to, whilst ignoring other important things.
I do believe it is important to question the Bible and everything in general in order to find the truth. Inquiry leads to answers thus: knowledge.
Aussie I agree with your posts, both are informative. And to people who seem confused over whether hell exists or not, justice CAN happen without the existence of hell. The mistranslation of "hell" along with the emission of God's name, account for some of the contradictions and editing that happened within the Bible. It is a well known fact among many religions that the Bible was "corrupted". However, this does not mean all Bibles are corrupted, but many versions are; this is why we must research from all perspectives to find the truth.
The King James Version, NWT and others are 99% accurate with the Dead Sea Scrolls; the only differences are merely translations. Some translations do account for some versions of the Bible to have completely different meaning in some scriptures. Again, this is a reason for some of the "corruption". There is no evidence showing huge portions of the Bible were removed, nor what portions are missing, so that is a baseless claim. If much of the Bible was "missing/removed", it wouldn't be as harmonious as it is, which is strong proof it wasn't written based upon mere memory or human intelligence alone; but is inspired by God.
The Christian Bible consists of the 39 books of the Hebrew Scriptures, known as the Old Testament, and the 27 books of the Christian Greek Scriptures, often called the New Testament. Thus, the Bible is compiled of 66 books written by some 40 men in the course of 1,600 years of history from: 1513 B.C.E. to 98 C.E.
So, the Bible, written by many men over the course of many years is harmonious for a reason. If they based everything off of memory alone, they all had one heck of a memory.
I have spoken quite a bit about the 2012 agenda in the BACK thread, and have thought about this for some time. If you've noticed TS has taken the time to debunk every theory, except the "second coming" ones; maybe for a reason. We can't ignore this re-direct and all of the obvious connections to Jesus made by BACK, Front, TS and even MJ himself.
The alleged agenda in 2012 is supposed to include alien deception and an alleged "second coming" or "masonic christ" many believe to be Prince William, but Michael actually sounds more suitable. This "second coming" might be used to help usher in a one world religion and new world order.
Looking at all of the "hoax numerology", the numbers used throughout are important occultic numbers, for example: 111-333-666-777-999 with the 911 call on 12:21 (EOW/Dec.21) being the probable date of MJ's return. Add this to the upside down pyramid which isn't actually against the Illuminati, but a symbol they actually use in the occult; both the upside down pyramid and the upright. Also, the clues Dontwalkaway mentions: white rabbit, rainbows, yellow brick road, all of which I know someone talked on the forum about being important symbols to the Illuminati aswell. Given all of this, the fact that a 12 yr old can figure out MJ's alive, how could The Illuminati not know? Exposing them seems like a fanciful idea to me, especially since they're the most powerful people in the world and their own numerology techniques were used in planning this hoax. Really think about how "exposing them" would actually happen; can it?
TS debunked the "murder theory", but didn't debunk "The Illuminati planned the hoax" theory.
Exactly emulik. The Bible speaks of a false second coming or person who will be referred to as being "Christ-like" and it will be deceptive; which is why I say for a believer in The Bible, it isn't a good thing. That's also why I'm not understanding some people who use The Bible to say a second coming is a good thing. But that's why it's subjective depending on ones beliefs.
@Suzy7
Good point, I think.
And thanks for the Earthenigma.wordpress.com link. Very interesting reading. The particular post that you requested from the site is quoted below (my apologies if it's been posted before).
(I underlined a couple of paragraphs in the quote that I found interesting, but this post is not an expression of my total agreement or disagreement with what's said in the quote as a whole, as I'm not well-versed on the Illuminati and its alleged agenda. However, JMO: In order for events to manifest in the physical world they must first be manifested [or manipulated] into the collective mindset as a form of belief. That said, a question: Are our worldly and sacred beliefs capable of being manipulated into other fantastic beliefs [for example, MJ being the Second-coming, and so on] to the point that our attention becomes so distracted that we no longer think objectively or, in other words, that we no longer think for ourSelves? Perhaps awareness of this sort of manipulation in general is the primary key--the particular shift in consciousness--that is necessary to maintain freedom of mind and, in turn, physical freedom. And of course, this is not said to offend anyone's beliefs.)QuoteWill Michael Jackson Return in 2012?
Posted in conspiracy, Government Lies, Illuminati, Michael Jackson with tags 2012, Age of Aquarius, alive, calendar, conspiracy, elvis, Gospel, History, Illuminati, Jacko, Jason Pfeiffer, Jesus, JFK, mayans, Michael Jackson, Religion, Tabloid Junkie, They Don't Care about Us, tupac on August 23, 2009 by earthenigmaUPDATED CONTENT – READMichael Jackson will be back at 11:11 on December 21, 2012The Gospel of Michael Jackson will be the death of Jesus
Everyone who has researched 2012 is expecting the world to end, to plummet to new lows, for earthquakes to shake and wars to rage. Others think that enlightenment will descend upon us like the soft landing of a beautiful white dove, for our minds to expand, to reach new levels of consciousness…
What I can say for sure is that the Illuminati will undoubtedly do something to fulfill the prediction. They probably will orchestrate the next world war, they probably will cause extreme weather and earthquakes with the help of HAARP but I think the Illuminati will use their most useful tool to unite the world into a New World Order – Michael Jackson.
The establishment wants you to think MJ is dead – they put a lot of work into this lie but Michael Jackson is alive. If you think Dave Dave wasn’t Michael Jackson on Larry King Live – you’ve got a screw loose. If you think Michael Jackson wasn’t the blonde woman at his tribute show, holding Chris Tucker’s hand, you also have a screw loose.
Michael Jackson’s return is imminent and I urge you to watch the media intently over the next 18 months, because the media will prepare you for his ‘second coming.’
His re-emergence won’t be for the good of the world though – that’s my worry. MJ has so many adoring fans across the globe already, and I suspect that the media will work to change the perception of the many MJ-haters so they all sympathise with him, so they all love him too. It may come to light that he was set up for the so-called child molestation accusations and some illuminati stooge will take the fall for this. It will come to light that his skin condition was due to someone’s foul-play. We will all come to sympathise with him, we will all hate ourselves for doubting him and we will all love him while thinking he is dead.
And then the greatest show on earth will begin. The most ground-breaking CGI spectacle of all time will get the green light. It really will be like ‘the second coming.’
If Michael Jackson is indeed alive, he is without doubt the most powerful tool at the illuminati’s disposal and he will be used to full effect.
No media-fronting superstar has ever gained his level of popularity and exposure – never – and for that reason, the illuminati will use him for all his worth. He really is bigger than Jesus – you saw the world’s reaction when he died. Nobody in such a high profile position can fake their own death without the illuminati establishment knowing about it – absolutely no chance! He appeared as Dave Dave on Larry King so the establishment could see whether or not he had the ability to fool the world – he succeeded. It was also a way to play with the people of the earth. The Illuminati like playing games – remember that – that is why the illuminati symbolism appears in every mainstream music video.
He died in 2009, he will re-emerge in 2012 after 3 years of intense MK-Ultra mind control, 3 years of rehearsals in a secret location for his comeback ‘show.’ The world loves him, but we know what the Illuminati are like. They will use this love and use it to create fear, use it to further their agenda – to complete their agenda in fact, and create the one world, unified government and unified religion.
This brings us to what the Illuminati has used Michael Jackson for all along. They want to unify the world with a new world religion – with MJ as the new Christ and savior.
We are watching and living through the gospel of Michael Jackson. The story will be written that he died and three years later he rose from the dead to ‘save the world.’ He is the new god-head. Like Jesus he had a life of trials and tribulations. Michael was falsely hated and accused (like Jesus) and lived to tell the tale. He taught about love and has many parables, but nobody listened (like Jesus). He was persecuted. He died because somebody betrayed him (his doctor-bloke) and three years later (like Jesus’ three days) he rose from the dead to ‘heal the world.’ The Jesus Gospel marked the Age of Pisces and the Michael Gospel will mark the dawning of the Age of Aquarius. He will probably arrive with the music of ‘Heal the World.’
By December 21, 2012, I imagine the world’s population will be greatly diminished. World Wars, numerous Fukushima’s and major natural disasters will leave humanity turning their back on faith. We will all want something, someone, to help us, to save us and then the illuminati will drop a bomb bigger than Hiroshima. They will drop MJ from the clouds. Everyone will stop and watch the CGI spectacle in awe. Weapons will fall from hands, the earth will stop trembling and Michael will unify the world in love – false love…
The illuminati know we are waking up and are beginning to see through their lies so when Michael returns – be wary, be afraid and question whatever the news networks tell us is ‘truth.’ It won’t be a miracle that he returned from the dead because he didn’t even die… I imagine they will say he ‘did die’ but he didn’t – we know that.
Many of you will be OVER THE MOON when Michael returns but I strongly believe he will be USED to dupe YOU into a new way of thinking. Don’t trust it. EarthEnigma told you now what is going to happen. If I am right (a big IF), I don’t want to say ‘I told you so.’
Michael Jackson will bring about the end to the world’s problems when he returns – but this is what the illuminati are planning. He will bring about a new spiritual era, for he will fulfill the Mayan prophesy, he will be here to save us, but it will all be part of a larger plot, a plan by the elite to gain total control over your lives.ORIGINAL CONTENT:
The King of Pop, Michael Jackson, died on June 25, 2009. He was one of the most commercially successful singers of all time but we all know he had his fair share of problems. His death is now accepted although there is the conspiracy theory that the man is still alive.
(http://earthenigma.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/mj.jpg?w=300&h=300)
Michael Jackson was not a Bad man.
I believed he was dead and I genuinely felt sad about it as I was a huge fan of his music growing up. Last week however, my mind changed and I now believe the man could be alive.
After reading Telegraph.co.uk last week I was startled by this article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/michael-jackson/6065010/Clinic-worker-claims-to-have-had-homosexual-love-affair-with-Michael-Jackson.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/michael-jackson/6065010/Clinic-worker-claims-to-have-had-homosexual-love-affair-with-Michael-Jackson.html). It wasn’t the fact that Michael Jackson had a homosexual relationship as people can do as they please; it was the comments made by his lover. The man in question is called Jason Pfeiffer, a clinic worker who claimed he and Michael Jackson were soul mates. He works at the offices of Jackson’s dermatologist, Dr. Arnold Klein and he and the pop icon had been in regular contact until he died, aged 50, following a cardiac arrest.
Mr. Pfeiffer claims that Jackson “completely changed” in the last two weeks of his life. He said that Jackson was “saying goodbyes the week before passing. Everyone was creeped out by it.” This alone is enough for conspiracy theorists to assume he may be alive but it was these comments that did it for me: “Michael got very retrospective in the last few weeks, he was talking about God and the Mayan calendar and the year 2012 – which is when the Mayan calendar ends.”
The implications of this comment were staggering for me. 2012 and the Mayan calendar are subjects that have consumed so many people in recent years. It has driven many to write books, change their belief system and look within for spiritual salvation so they are prepared for the spiritual awakening of 2012. I personally have been consumed by the subject and maybe Michael Jackson believed that the people of the world would all wake up and the evil that infiltrates the governments today, that controls the banks, big businesses and media would be destroyed as the people would not be as stupid as they are now. Maybe he believed the Mayans and believed that the spiritual awakening would finally ‘Heal the World.’
There is a lot of hype around the Mayan end date and many websites and books claim to have the answer and if Michael Jackson was so hooked on the subject, maybe, just maybe, he faked his own death so that he could return on December 21, 2012 when the world would become enlightened so that he could finally stop being the victim of the Illuminati-controlled corporate media lies.
I believe he wanted to get away from this evil, the same evil that has controlled him throughout his entire music career. Listen to the song ‘They Don’t Care About us’ from History and you will hear his views on those powerful media moguls that have controlled him. Michael Jackson was a supremely intelligent man but as the great Immortal Technique has said, if you’re signed to a major label, the label will ultimately tell you what to sing. You have no freedom. Michael was a man who wanted to sing the songs he wanted to sing, but he wasn’t allowed. He was warned by the ‘big men’ to stay in line by being falsely accused of child molestation more than once and I believe they also gave him skin disease to prove they were not to be messed with. In the end, the media wrecked his career because like Tupac (who was falsely accused of rape), Bob Marley and Elvis, he could not be controlled anymore. If such an inspirational man, who has a power over literally millions of fans, turns away from the big men upstairs and begins to highlight their evil, like Elvis, Tupac and JFK, he will inevitably be removed and will be murdered, unless they can scare the singer into submission.
Therefore, I believe Michael Jackson faked his own death as he felt he could not be himself anymore. He wished to return in 2012 when the Mayan inscriptions say the world will be a different place and love will encompass the globe. This is the only society a person like him, who has been persecuted by the media for 40 years, can live in and I believe he is placing his trust in the Mayans as he waits for his time to come back into the spotlight.
If we are all awoken from our slumber in 2012 as the Mayans said, if we all finally see the evil conducted by the corrupt governments and the Illuminati and if we rebel and fight back against that evil, then the world will be a better place and maybe Michael Jackson will return so that he can be himself and tell us all the true story of his life.
Jackson was so influential that he was never allowed to be himself. His reputation was tarnished on more than one occasion but the man still kept his fans. The corporate media spread its lies about him but if any of us have brains we should never believe the media. Michael Jackson was not a pedophile, he was not ‘Wacko Jacko;’ he was a normal man who happened to be an amazing singer, dancer and performer. The media tried to tarnish his reputation throughout his life as he became bigger than Jesus, and after songs such as ‘They don’t care about us’ and ‘Tabloid Junkie’ on the album History, they tried even harder to discredit him, but they failed.
“Nobody in such a high profile position can fake their own death without the illuminati establishment knowing about it – absolutely no chance!”
“TS debunked the "murder theory", but didn't debunk "The Illuminati planned the hoax" theory.”
WhiteNight
I do think that it was possible for Michael to get away from the ‘System’ without its knowledge. God is protecting Michael and God is on his side. So YES someone like Michael can get away from the ‘System’ successfully with the protection of Jehovah God. God will even ‘force’ the wicked to do His bidding. This can explain all of the ‘high powered’ individuals that were necessary to pull this elaborate hoax off…
If Michael is serving the system as this person claims to believe, then he would not have left clues for us to decipher because as we all know, the ‘System’ leaves no loose ends when it comes to such an enormous agenda. His ‘death’ would have been so convincing that not even the most savvy of investigators would have seen any inconsistencies… and obvious ones at that.
Either way, I’m also gonna stay on this MJ train all the way till the end! If loving MJ is ‘wrong’ I don’t wanna be ‘right’. That’s how strongly I feel about this. I know we are on this journey together for a good reason.
I hope that TS addresses this theory soon though. It would be interesting to see what he has to say.
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@Gina,
we all come from different countries and have different religious backgrounds.
But this hoax got us all united somehow. I don't think the intention of this conversation is to force anyone to believe something he doesn't want to believe in. The only thing we can do here is investigate. When I first learned about Illuminati I didn't believe anything, so I started to investigate and finally I came up with the conclusion that they are evil. But when it comes to belief and religion, then it's a completely different thing, I know. Well, I belong to those who believe that the bible has been changed during history. We have been discussing this issue for many days now. And again, no one's intention is to force anyone to believe anything. But again, every theory is subject to investigation. I personally don't take anything literally. So why don't you investigate a little? May be you could find something interesting that you could share with us here. Investigation never harms, on the contrary, it makes you aware of many things. After all we are the hoax investigators, remember??? lolol/
@Gina,
we all come from different countries and have different religious backgrounds.
But this hoax got us all united somehow. I don't think the intention of this conversation is to force anyone to believe something he doesn't want to believe in. The only thing we can do here is investigate. When I first learned about Illuminati I didn't believe anything, so I started to investigate and finally I came up with the conclusion that they are evil. But when it comes to belief and religion, then it's a completely different thing, I know. Well, I belong to those who believe that the bible has been changed during history. We have been discussing this issue for many days now. And again, no one's intention is to force anyone to believe anything. But again, every theory is subject to investigation. I personally don't take anything literally. So why don't you investigate a little? May be you could find something interesting that you could share with us here. Investigation never harms, on the contrary, it makes you aware of many things. After all we are the hoax investigators, remember??? lolol/
Investigate what? If the Bible was changed?
How can I do it if I don't know the ancient language of the scripts and I don't have acces to those scripts?
Investigate what OTHERS say about it it's not reliable source to me.
MsTrinity333. Thanks for the information. You're the second person who said the christians believe it will be same exact Jesus from over 2000 years ago in his glorified body. What is a glorified body ? The problem is no one really knows what the Jesus from 200O years ago looks like, sounds like or acts like !!!! To me it's the same thing as trying to find the true ark !!! We have to figure out what to look for. The only thing there is leaving an outline of what Jesus may have looked like is the shroud of turin. We don't know if that is real either. It may be a hoax to trick people to follow someone "evil".
Did anyone see the theory about Prince William having altered DNA or cloned to match the shroud of Turin ? I think we were talking about it on the thread "Michael Jackson and Religious Symbolism", several months ago.
Ms. Trinity333 I will listen/read your information. Maybe that will help. You always have great stuff !!!!!!
Love, and Merry Christmas.
@Gina,
we all come from different countries and have different religious backgrounds.
But this hoax got us all united somehow. I don't think the intention of this conversation is to force anyone to believe something he doesn't want to believe in. The only thing we can do here is investigate. When I first learned about Illuminati I didn't believe anything, so I started to investigate and finally I came up with the conclusion that they are evil. But when it comes to belief and religion, then it's a completely different thing, I know. Well, I belong to those who believe that the bible has been changed during history. We have been discussing this issue for many days now. And again, no one's intention is to force anyone to believe anything. But again, every theory is subject to investigation. I personally don't take anything literally. So why don't you investigate a little? May be you could find something interesting that you could share with us here. Investigation never harms, on the contrary, it makes you aware of many things. After all we are the hoax investigators, remember??? lolol/
Investigate what? If the Bible was changed?
How can I do it if I don't know the ancient language of the scripts and I don't have acces to those scripts?
Investigate what OTHERS say about it it's not reliable source to me.
Investigate what a variety of contemporary others, on both sides of the fence, have researched regarding the ancient language of the script(ure)s. Those worthy of investigation provide a detailed list of hard-copy sources within some form of bibliography. (Then the Bible no longer remains its own source of confirmation, as well as no longer remains the sole source of self-knowledge, based only on faith.)
Peace and Love. :)
Good post WhiteNight, and thanks for bringing up this theory again. It is so logical it's scary; which is why I think people didn't want to discuss it lol. I did hope it would inspire more conversation, but some brushed it off very quickly.
I brought this theory to our attention because in almost every thread someone made a "Jesus connection" to MJ or insinuated he is the second coming without any evidence. They also used the Bible to support false theories! Since there is no evidence in the Bible of a second coming or Christ-like figure who will be like MJ or any other man born on earth again, what evidence is there if any, to support a *false* second coming? The Bible does speak much of false prophets and false 'Christ-like' figures popping up in the end of days. So, my point in mentioning this theory is: if I or anyone were to believe in ANY second coming theory, it is this one; as this theory is the only "second coming theory" that has both logic and evidence to support it. However I never said I believed in this theory; I don't believe in *any* second coming theories, but specifically ones other than this, as there is no evidence supporting them. I'd also like to see TS comment on this.
I do think it's possible for MJ to have faked his death without the Illuminati's knowledge of it, but they have to know something; we are all here for a reason. I doubt huge corporations would participate if it meant them being exposed; so I think the "exposing evil" theory is only true to an extent. The system is too intricate and large to be exposed in it's entirety, so I think the exposing part will be of the general surface level kind for example: the media, common government conspiracies, religion etc. Questioning everything should be an inevitable by-product of the hoax.
Also, everyone should watch that video about hell, it's both good and supported with proof. Hell is one of the biggest contradictions in religion, and I think one of the reasons that cause people to dismiss the Bible and religion in general.
Jesus says in Matthew 25:
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
Jesus says in Matthew 7:
13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
@Gina,
we all come from different countries and have different religious backgrounds.
But this hoax got us all united somehow. I don't think the intention of this conversation is to force anyone to believe something he doesn't want to believe in. The only thing we can do here is investigate. When I first learned about Illuminati I didn't believe anything, so I started to investigate and finally I came up with the conclusion that they are evil. But when it comes to belief and religion, then it's a completely different thing, I know. Well, I belong to those who believe that the bible has been changed during history. We have been discussing this issue for many days now. And again, no one's intention is to force anyone to believe anything. But again, every theory is subject to investigation. I personally don't take anything literally. So why don't you investigate a little? May be you could find something interesting that you could share with us here. Investigation never harms, on the contrary, it makes you aware of many things. After all we are the hoax investigators, remember??? lolol/
Investigate what? If the Bible was changed?
How can I do it if I don't know the ancient language of the scripts and I don't have acces to those scripts?
Investigate what OTHERS say about it it's not reliable source to me.
Investigate what a variety of contemporary others, on both sides of the fence, have researched regarding the ancient language of the script(ure)s. Those worthy of investigation provide a detailed list of hard-copy sources within some form of bibliography. (Then the Bible no longer remains its own source of confirmation, as well as no longer remains the sole source of self-knowledge, based only on faith.)
Peace and Love. :)
It's more important to read the Bible.
I don't have time for everything.
Through the history of mankind, our species has faced the chilling fact that we do not know who we are, or towards where we are going in this ocean of chaos, has been the authorities, politics. religious, educational authorities who have sought to comfort us by giving us orders, rules, regulations, informing and forming our minds with their point of view on reality. To think for yourself first you should question authority ~ Timothy Leary
Just a short note ...
Haven't been here on the forum much since 11-30; and I have not had time to read the threads. I'm in the middle of an important project. But I will be back next week sometime to catch up on the threads, and work on finishing level 7.
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Hello and Merry Christmas to all,
There is this scientist Nassim Haramein (who's also called by some "the new Einstein") who talked about his theory re the Ark of the Covenant in a conference held in the Summer of 2004.
He thinks the Ark of the Covenant is some very advanced technology. Also he links it to Ethiopia, Illuminati, etc.
Here is where you can hear all about it starting with 2:21:45 till the end of the video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2362758657384449741#docid=-307198015401224128 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2362758657384449741#docid=-307198015401224128)
Very well defined Bible opinions don't give us the answer though whether Michael is alive and coming back. MJ could be compared with Jesus because he is an extraordinary man indeed, but we somewhat deviated from the the important questions what happened to MJ, is he alive, which I still believe he is, and if he plans to come back.
If you go deeper by Bible, it will eventually turn out that MJ is dead because he was beloved son of a God who took him back after people enough tortured him. So, what is the main point of the subject matter in here anyway? All I read is a comparison.
This is the the climax of Armageddon; It hasn't happened yet... neither has his 1000 yr Millennial Kingdom Rein, or the Great White Throne Judgement, but anyone who can read the signs of the times knows we are at the doorstep of the coming Seven Year Tribulation. Let's not be like the foolish virgins looking for oil at the last minute and miss the party. The Bridegroom is coming; be ready.
Hmmm...I don't believe the second coming happened in 1914, nor do I believe that is what Aussie meant?
Are you referring to the theory that Christianity is an Egyptian myth based on the theology you just posted. I have been affronted with this debate before and simply don’t believe it.
hesoutofmylife- yes, although not a myth. there is evidence on the walls of egyptian temples. i have not gone 2 school & studied as diggyon, but have researched myself. (in my own wording) there were different forms of christianity back then, the gnostics & romans. more people were beginning to gravitate towards the gnostic teachings. this is when emperor constantine & his counsel of nicea declared only one belief is to be worshipped & this is when jesus received his name from the demi-god zeues(sp). all th@ did not follow were persecuted. there is a debate for the name of jesus existing 2000+ yrs ago, because the letter ' j ' came into existence around the 1400's. the temples in egypt were around much longer than the roman's teaching. there is also knowledge from the ancient mystery schools th@ were stolen & suppressed from the people (even by some egyptian rulers) this knowledge was meant for ALL. with these teachings you would never lack anything and become closer to nature, the universe & our creator. these teachings r what the elite use, while we r led to believe th@ they are pagan or satanic. they use this knowledge to keep control of the masses. the true depth of the rabbit hole is amazing. the deeper u dig, the deeper it gets. i now just call it a bottomless pit. if u study the dogon tribe of africa & the book of enoch u will also find these two have a resemblance to each other.
hesoutofmylife- yes, although not a myth. there is evidence on the walls of egyptian temples. i have not gone 2 school & studied as diggyon, but have researched myself. (in my own wording) there were different forms of christianity back then, the gnostics & romans. more people were beginning to gravitate towards the gnostic teachings. this is when emperor constantine & his counsel of nicea declared only one belief is to be worshipped & this is when jesus received his name from the demi-god zeues(sp). all th@ did not follow were persecuted. there is a debate for the name of jesus existing 2000+ yrs ago, because the letter ' j ' came into existence around the 1400's. the temples in egypt were around much longer than the roman's teaching. there is also knowledge from the ancient mystery schools th@ were stolen & suppressed from the people (even by some egyptian rulers) this knowledge was meant for ALL. with these teachings you would never lack anything and become closer to nature, the universe & our creator. these teachings r what the elite use, while we r led to believe th@ they are pagan or satanic. they use this knowledge to keep control of the masses. the true depth of the rabbit hole is amazing. the deeper u dig, the deeper it gets. i now just call it a bottomless pit. if u study the dogon tribe of africa & the book of enoch u will also find these two have a resemblance to each other.
This is the the climax of Armageddon; It hasn't happened yet... neither has his 1000 yr Millennial Kingdom Rein, or the Great White Throne Judgement, but anyone who can read the signs of the times knows we are at the doorstep of the coming Seven Year Tribulation. Let's not be like the foolish virgins looking for oil at the last minute and miss the party. The Bridegroom is coming; be ready.
Ms Trinity, we both know you and i disagree on a lot of things - doctrine wise. its sad, but an honest fact. and thats ok. agree to disagree for peace /white flag/
However this post i agree with 100 percent. :-) Just wanted to let you know. it brought a smile to my face, there is a belief that we share in common afterall
I am waiting and just hoping that i measure up on the great day :-)
Peace and love to you!
This is the the climax of Armageddon; It hasn't happened yet... neither has his 1000 yr Millennial Kingdom Rein, or the Great White Throne Judgement, but anyone who can read the signs of the times knows we are at the doorstep of the coming Seven Year Tribulation. Let's not be like the foolish virgins looking for oil at the last minute and miss the party. The Bridegroom is coming; be ready.
Ms Trinity, we both know you and i disagree on a lot of things - doctrine wise. its sad, but an honest fact. and thats ok. agree to disagree for peace /white flag/
However this post i agree with 100 percent. :-) Just wanted to let you know. it brought a smile to my face, there is a belief that we share in common afterall
I am waiting and just hoping that i measure up on the great day :-)
Peace and love to you!
I'm happy to hear from you! Actually I've been wanting to tell you that you & I AGREE far more than we disagree.
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@MJonmind, all these dots conected by Nassim Haramein are based on his interpretation of the Bible from the point of view of an scientist, plus documents, etc. It's an interesting theory, although quite fancy at some point. I think he went too far with the meaning of the Tetragrammaton (YHWH), which is nothing more but "the true God" Jehovah, as God is called by, for instance, Jehovah’s Witnesses - Michael's religion.
I'm not an atheist, I believe very much in God and I admire what Jesus represents through his set of values, but this doesn't mean I'm not opened to others choices/opinions.
To verify Nassim Haramein's theory, we must have access to all the documents he based his opinion on and I don't recomand you to believe in it BEFORE you'll get to the point of having the proof. ;)
ok a lil off topic...is that the writting that was on the little girl in earth song forehead that i dont think we ever figurred out??!!!@MJonmind, all these dots conected by Nassim Haramein are based on his interpretation of the Bible from the point of view of an scientist, plus documents, etc. It's an interesting theory, although quite fancy at some point. I think he went too far with the meaning of the Tetragrammaton (YHWH), which is nothing more but "the true God" Jehovah, as God is called by, for instance, Jehovah’s Witnesses - Michael's religion.
I'm not an atheist, I believe very much in God and I admire what Jesus represents through his set of values, but this doesn't mean I'm not opened to others choices/opinions.
To verify Nassim Haramein's theory, we must have access to all the documents he based his opinion on and I don't recomand you to believe in it BEFORE you'll get to the point of having the proof. ;)
i personally dont believe the tetragrammaton refers to sacred geometry. for ones that dont know what the tetragrammaton is, it is the four hebrew characters that make up gods name.
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Translates as YHWHpronounced Yaweh. which is where the name JeHoVaH comes from. (W is often pronounced V) The earliest reference to this name is on this stone below, dated back to 840 BCE.
the name is also sited on several of the earliest manuscripts such as the septuagint.
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the ankh pre-dates the christian cross, which was used after the 4th century. after emperor constantine had a vision of a cross
in front of the sun, it became a symbol for christianity. gnosis pre-dates christianity by centuries. before chrstianity, judiasm, islam etc. those who worshipped the creator did so through spirituality. as others has stated, it was through mathematics (sacred geometry) & patterns (spirals), cosmos (the universe) to name a few. think about it. if there is only one CREATOR/GOD why the need for so many denominations in religion. they all hold some similarities, with just enough differences to cause division. divisiveness is the name of the game. black against white, man against women, rich against poor, democrate against republican, christian - jew - islamic. we are constantly bombarded with things to keep us separate as opposed to uniting us......DIVIDE & CONQUER that's how they ALWAYS win
Excellent post Melody...
I forgot to address the fact that Jesus walked the Earth after his Resurrection being seen by hundreds(?) if I'm not mistaken, not just his disciples. Wish I could find my resource on that. It was no secret.
MJonMind; God is a God of LOVE; but also a God of Righteousness & Judgement. Sin & light can not exist together. He loves us so much unconditionally that he paid the price of sin for us; but he will NOT violate our free will... The choice is ours; either we except him or we don't, either way every knee will bow & tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
There IS a very real PHYSICAL return coming; and it wasn't in 1914 or whatever.
Revelation 19: 11-16
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. (John 14: 7-11) And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
This is the the climax of Armageddon; It hasn't happened yet... neither has his 1000 yr Millennial Kingdom Rein, or the Great White Throne Judgement, but anyone who can read the signs of the times knows we are at the doorstep of the coming Seven Year Tribulation. Let's not be like the foolish virgins looking for oil at the last minute and miss the party. The Bridegroom is coming; be ready.
Same can be said of Michael; either we believe he's coming back or we don't... Like the song at his memorial; Soon and very soon we are going to see the King.
I find it interesting that TS' redirect went back to the question; What does the true Ark look like? Is it really just a Gold box or something more? For me it looks like Jesus.
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6After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
Excellent post Melody...
I forgot to address the fact that Jesus walked the Earth after his Resurrection being seen by hundreds(?) if I'm not mistaken, not just his disciples. Wish I could find my resource on that. It was no secret.
MJonMind; God is a God of LOVE; but also a God of Righteousness & Judgement. Sin & light can not exist together. He loves us so much unconditionally that he paid the price of sin for us; but he will NOT violate our free will... The choice is ours; either we except him or we don't, either way every knee will bow & tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
There IS a very real PHYSICAL return coming; and it wasn't in 1914 or whatever.
Revelation 19: 11-16
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. (John 14: 7-11) And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
This is the the climax of Armageddon; It hasn't happened yet... neither has his 1000 yr Millennial Kingdom Rein, or the Great White Throne Judgement, but anyone who can read the signs of the times knows we are at the doorstep of the coming Seven Year Tribulation. Let's not be like the foolish virgins looking for oil at the last minute and miss the party. The Bridegroom is coming; be ready.
Same can be said of Michael; either we believe he's coming back or we don't... Like the song at his memorial; Soon and very soon we are going to see the King.
I find it interesting that TS' redirect went back to the question; What does the true Ark look like? Is it really just a Gold box or something more? For me it looks like Jesus.
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Great post Ms Trinity!
I think you are referring to 1 Corinthians 15:1-11Quote6After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
Just to add one fact about the cross. The cross was a torture/ murdering tool and could be as we see in Jesus "crucifixtion" or as the shape of X or just a piece of wood.
Just to add one fact about the cross. The cross was a torture/ murdering tool and could be as we see in Jesus "crucifixtion" or as the shape of X or just a piece of wood.
too right! i believe not a cross. but a single beam was used. the cross was brought out around 300 years after JC died.
And what's this about the Sabbath being on Saturday and the Roman Catholic Church having changed it to Sunday, the Pagan Sun God day? I just learned that. My goodness. What do all you religious folks think about that? I mean it's true n all, Saturday=Sabado=Sabbath. Wasn't one of the 10 Commandments to observe the Sabbath?
http://tinyurl.com/cvldz72
Images of the Ark of the Covenant.
Jeremiah 3:16.... “And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the LORD, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the LORD: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more.”
And what's this about the Sabbath being on Saturday and the Roman Catholic Church having changed it to Sunday, the Pagan Sun God day? I just learned that. My goodness. What do all you religious folks think about that? I mean it's true n all, Saturday=Sabado=Sabbath. Wasn't one of the 10 Commandments to observe the Sabbath?
Yes it was in the ten commandments, but the Sabbath observence was ceased by Jesus as it was an outdated law and was 'burdensome' to the Jews... As the modern dayJews dont accept Jesus as the Messiah they continue to observe the Sabbath. Not 'knocking' them for it. Just explaining why they still observe it. (Have to dot my i's and cross my t's to ensure I am politically correct out of respect for any Jewish forum members) [...]
Excellent post Melody...
I forgot to address the fact that Jesus walked the Earth after his Resurrection being seen by hundreds(?) if I'm not mistaken, not just his disciples. Wish I could find my resource on that. It was no secret.
MJonMind; God is a God of LOVE; but also a God of Righteousness & Judgement. Sin & light can not exist together. He loves us so much unconditionally that he paid the price of sin for us; but he will NOT violate our free will... The choice is ours; either we except him or we don't, either way every knee will bow & tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
There IS a very real PHYSICAL return coming; and it wasn't in 1914 or whatever.
Revelation 19: 11-16
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. (John 14: 7-11) And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
This is the the climax of Armageddon; It hasn't happened yet... neither has his 1000 yr Millennial Kingdom Rein, or the Great White Throne Judgement, but anyone who can read the signs of the times knows we are at the doorstep of the coming Seven Year Tribulation. Let's not be like the foolish virgins looking for oil at the last minute and miss the party. The Bridegroom is coming; be ready.
Same can be said of Michael; either we believe he's coming back or we don't... Like the song at his memorial; Soon and very soon we are going to see the King.
I find it interesting that TS' redirect went back to the question; What does the true Ark look like? Is it really just a Gold box or something more? For me it looks like Jesus.
bearhug
Great post Ms Trinity!
I think you are referring to 1 Corinthians 15:1-11Quote6After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
Actually I think the reference I was looking for was possibly Josephus.
Here's some math that will blow your mind:
John 1:2-5
King James Version (KJV)
2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Sum of John 1.2-5 = 23088 = 26 (YHVH)x 888 (JESUS)
This identity is astounding beyond description! It is the product of two fundamental Divine Names, (YHVH) - from the Unity Holograph - and Jesus, the name above all names! Glory! And all this in John 1.2-5!
It is extremely important to realize that the meaning of these two numbers had already been fully established for years before I found them embedded in the alphanumeric structure of the verse above. The meaning of the Number 26 remains eternally established in the personal name God designed for Himself - (YHVH). Its integration with the other primary names of God in the Unity Holograph greatly magnifies its glory. Likewise, the Number 888 rings and reverberates with the everlasting glory of the Lord of lords, Jesus! Halellujah! Furthermore, both of these numbers occur together in Malachi 3.6:
I am the LORD, I change Not
Ani YHVH, Lo Shaniti
= 888
The beauty of this identity is that the meaning of the verse is reflected in the form of the most symmetric number - 888 - which can be permuted, inverted and reflected in a mirror, all without change. To find these two numbers united in the Divine Prologue is simply too staggering to utter.
John is the Gospel of Light. The Divine Prologue links Creation and Light, just like Genesis 1. Rearranging the factors again now integrates the Number 23088 with the value of Genesis 1.4. We have the identity:
Sum of John 1.2-5 = 23088 = 13 x 1776 = 13 x 37 x 48
If you are reading these articles in order, you should recognize the last two factors, since they appear twice in the First Day Holograph! They also are embedded in the Great Seal of the United States of America, which displays a 13-step pyramid with the date 1776 at the base. Yet there is more. We also have the identity (note the iota subscript - which is written inline for clarity - is essential to this calculation):
In Him was life
En auto zoe en
= 2439 = 9 x 271
Light and Life! The Number 271 is the Tenth Hexagonal Number found in the heart of the Star of Israel 541. It appears three times in the First Day Holograph. We have, therefore, a double integration of John 1.2-5 with Genesis 1.3-4 via two primes that are themselves twice reiterated in the First Day Holograph:http://www.biblewheel.com/GR/GR_Creation_JJ.asp (http://www.biblewheel.com/GR/GR_Creation_JJ.asp) bearhug