Elvis agreed to chronicle the secret history of his life and "death" in an exclusive interview.
Strange the picture we saw of Elvis from Liza Presley was not the same. It seems photoshopped to look older. If it is him great, I am very happy to see that he is alive. How come it was not told by the media, tv, radio newspapers etc... I wonder if it is true. Only time will tell.. blessings
Strange the picture we saw of Elvis from Liza Presley was not the same. It seems photoshopped to look older. If it is him great, I am very happy to see that he is alive. How come it was not told by the media, tv, radio newspapers etc... I wonder if it is true. Only time will tell.. blessings
Who do think the "Mystery Man was at the public memorial"? None other than, Elvis Presley in disguise.....
OMG WTF?? I've just found this!
(http://cover7.cduniverse.com/CDUCoverArt/video/Large/32/8637032.jpg)
ELVIS has been FOUND, ALIVE! After visiting Graceland, Director Joel Gilbert made a Freedom of Information Act request for US government files on Elvis Presley. Incredibly, documents arrived from the FBI revealing an address for Federal Agent "Jon Burrows," Elvis' 1970's alias, in Simi Valley, California. After a brief confrontation, Elvis agreed to chronicle the secret history of his life and "death" in an exclusive interview.
Release Date: Jan 24, 2012
http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=8637032
afraid/ :shock: afraid/
oh come on...I don't believe it
QuoteElvis agreed to chronicle the secret history of his life and "death" in an exclusive interview.
I'm just looking like my Supernatural boys right now!
(http://gifsoup.com/imager.php?id=2642128&t=o) (http://gifsoup.com/view/2642128/dean-sam.html) GIFSoup (http://gifsoup.com/)
Strange the picture we saw of Elvis from Liza Presley was not the same. It seems photoshopped to look older. If it is him great, I am very happy to see that he is alive. How come it was not told by the media, tv, radio newspapers etc... I wonder if it is true. Only time will tell.. blessings
Oh dear, i am a fan of Elvis too. I know he is alive. I am just stating if that is the real picture. We have seen so many photoshopped pics that I have a doubt. He is as handsome as he was younger..
LOL! Jon Cotner has been proven to not be Elvis and yes that is a photoshopped picture.
oh come on...I don't believe it
LOL! Jon Cotner has been proven to not be Elvis and yes that is a photoshopped picture.
You are sure it is a photoshopped picture. I suspected it was.
LOL! Jon Cotner has been proven to not be Elvis and yes that is a photoshopped picture.
You are sure it is a photoshopped picture. I suspected it was.
QuoteElvis agreed to chronicle the secret history of his life and "death" in an exclusive interview.
I'm just looking like my Supernatural boys right now!
(http://gifsoup.com/imager.php?id=2642128&t=o) (http://gifsoup.com/view/2642128/dean-sam.html) GIFSoup (http://gifsoup.com/)
lollllllllllllllllllllllll thanks for this gif!!! lollllllllll i love supernatural!
Holy shit.I cant believe my eyes.Is this for real.If not,thats a damn good photoshop. WTF??OMG WTF?? I've just found this!
(http://cover7.cduniverse.com/CDUCoverArt/video/Large/32/8637032.jpg)
ELVIS has been FOUND, ALIVE! After visiting Graceland, Director Joel Gilbert made a Freedom of Information Act request for US government files on Elvis Presley. Incredibly, documents arrived from the FBI revealing an address for Federal Agent "Jon Burrows," Elvis' 1970's alias, in Simi Valley, California. After a brief confrontation, Elvis agreed to chronicle the secret history of his life and "death" in an exclusive interview.
Release Date: Jan 24, 2012
http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=8637032
afraid/ :shock: afraid/
OMG! Oh god....This is true????? WTF?? WTF?? WTF?? WTF??
Films
-"Bob Dylan Revealed" (2011)
-Paul McCartney Really Is Dead: The Last Testament of George Harrison (2010)?????????????????
So what do you guys think about this post???? Is this a computer generated photo of Elvis or what? Its just so hare to know what to believe now days :(
Remember TS wrote about the DOUBLE BAM?!? ;) 2012 is going to be a very very interesting year, my two cents. :mrgreen: This is the picture of Elvis, Eliza posted.
(http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3135/elizajessebenjamin.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/525/elizajessebenjamin.jpg/)
Films
-"Bob Dylan Revealed" (2011)
-Paul McCartney Really Is Dead: The Last Testament of George Harrison (2010)?????????????????
That's why it explains his ex wife Linda divorced him and is scared for her life. She found out something big, that if anything happens to her she has all information on paul stashed away.. This was on youtube and discussed long time ago.. I guess he is really dead.. who knows.
That's what stood out to me as well voice. interesting huh? suspicious//
LOL! Jon Cotner has been proven to not be Elvis and yes that is a photoshopped picture.
You are sure it is a photoshopped picture. I suspected it was.
Agree :o ???/
Remember TS wrote about the DOUBLE BAM?!? ;) 2012 is going to be a very very interesting year, my two cents. :mrgreen: This is the picture of Elvis, Eliza posted.
(http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3135/elizajessebenjamin.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/525/elizajessebenjamin.jpg/)
Thank you Purelove, this is what I posted, the picture was different. I do believe there will be a double bam and a big fat boom after it.. lol..
Remember TS wrote about the DOUBLE BAM?!? ;) 2012 is going to be a very very interesting year, my two cents. :mrgreen: This is the picture of Elvis, Eliza posted.
(http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3135/elizajessebenjamin.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/525/elizajessebenjamin.jpg/)
Thank you Purelove, this is what I posted, the picture was different. I do believe there will be a double bam and a big fat boom after it.. lol..
Another interesting fact... Jon Cotner informs his friends to contact him by entering "777" in the subject field....
::)
If I were a non believer, I wouldn't even want to read this thread. #goodjob
I'm not saying Elvis might not be alive, I just don't believe there is Elvis in that picture.oh come on...I don't believe it
A question for you Gina, if this picture was Michael being alive would you Believe? If you say yes, why would it be so strange that Elvis is alive!! That means you do not believe if Michael will come back.. just my observation.
I'm not saying Elvis might not be alive, I just don't believe there is Elvis in that picture.oh come on...I don't believe it
A question for you Gina, if this picture was Michael being alive would you Believe? If you say yes, why would it be so strange that Elvis is alive!! That means you do not believe if Michael will come back.. just my observation.
IF Michael would come back it would better be him and not a fake. I can't say now if I would believe it or not it's him.
Exactly. I have deleted all the way back to the last on topic post. Please continue the discussion on topic. Thank you.
Interesting that the DVD is also listed on Amazon... but the picture is a terrible photoshop job, which really destroys any ounce of credibility in my opinion. If you're going to computer generate a photo of the "would-be" Elvis, at least avoid the posterized edges and hair that looks like it was drawn on with a crayon.
Found this trailer on Facebook:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckVcRvFBuZw&feature=share[/youtube]
/woohoo/
TIai update #6: Michael & Elvis, DOuble-bam This Summer?!?
After 33 years of question and debate over whether Elvis Presley faked his death: we now have the strongest scientific proofs that he really did fake his death—and in fact, he is still alive to this very day!!!!!!!! And this is not based on some lunatic fantasy whims, that Elvis is living on a paradise island; no, this is documented evidence which is so strong, that it’s the basis for a legal case which is already in court. And to top it all off: there’s a good chance that this will all be hitting the news this summer!
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6-1 DNA and Other Scientific Evidence that Elvis Lives!
{http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/2010/05/the-elvis-presley-conspiracy-part-iv-what-does-it-all-mean.html (http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/2010/05/the-elvis-presley-conspiracy-part-iv-what-does-it-all-mean.html)}
Less than a month ago (on May 20, 2010), probate attorney Andrew W. Mayoras published the statements quoted in the next paragraph below, about the DNA evidence {for the full report, click the link above}. For those who are entirely new to all this: Eliza is the lady who discovered DNA evidence that she is the half-sister of Elvis Presley—and to top it all off, the DNA also proves that Elvis is still alive! Elvis lives in hiding, and has been going by the name “Jesse”—named after his twin brother, who was stillborn.
“These [DNA] reports show that Eliza and the person now referred to by many as ‘Jesse’ are half-siblings, and Jesse in turn is biologically related to the known cousins on both sides of the family tree to Elvis Presley. Because Elvis never had any full siblings (other than a twin, Jessie, who was stillborn), no one else could match cousins on both sides but Elvis himself. ... Eliza also sent the results to another independent DNA company to verify the results. The lab owner, Dr. Donald Yates, said publicly that the DNA supported Eliza’s claim and that Jesse had to be Elvis. And yes, he said, this means that Elvis is alive. Here’s a Memphis newspaper article about it {http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/oct/11/dna-lab-owner-elvis-is-not-dead/ (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/oct/11/dna-lab-owner-elvis-is-not-dead/)]}. … if this was all a master scheme to defraud the public, through a court proceeding, why would they have done it knowing that it would be so easy for their plan to fall apart? Elvis Presley Enterprises simply has to march into court with the DNA of Lisa Marie, or either one of the two cousins tested for that matter, and they could prove in a snap that it’s not true — unless, of course, it IS true. … I’m sorry, but I just don’t buy how they could have pulled all this off if it was a giant scam. As hard as it was for me to believe, as an attorney, that Elvis may actually be alive, I find it much more believable that all this evidence is legitimate than Eliza and several others having engineered this entire scam years ago, knowing that it would involve testing of DNA.”
In addition to the DNA evidence, there are several other categories of evidence. The following video clip is a cross-fade from Elvis to Jesse, and the face remains the same {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdpMuybhfA8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdpMuybhfA8)}. Section 6-4 (below) has this same picture, although it includes his whole body; and you can see Benjamin, the son of Lisa Marie Presley, sitting on Jesse’s lap.
Shirley Mason, a certified graphologist who worked for the Kansas City Bureau of Investigations for many years, analyzed letters from Elvis and from Jesse; her conclusion was that “she would testify in court, under oath, that Elvis ‘has to be ALIVE.’ She felt the handwriting was ‘UNMISTAKABLE’. The attorney general’s office cleared Dr. Hinton of all charges.” {http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page3 (http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page3); http://www.estate-and-probate.com/michigan-probate-law/michigan-probate-law/the-elvis-presley-conspiracy-part-ii-the-background/ (http://www.estate-and-probate.com/michigan-probate-law/michigan-probate-law/the-elvis-presley-conspiracy-part-ii-the-background/); http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MItC-vfza0M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MItC-vfza0M)}.
Dr. Hinton, just mentioned above, worked with Jesse for years. He also wrote a book, with the help of Jesse, titled: “The Truth About Elvis Aron Presley In His Own Words” {http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1561676764/sr=1-1/qid=1257006537/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&qid=1257006537&sr=1-1&seller=#noop (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1561676764/sr=1-1/qid=1257006537/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&qid=1257006537&sr=1-1&seller=#noop)}. As a result of all this, Dr. Hinton was charged with fraud; but after investigation (including the graphologist, above), he was cleared of all charges. {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS7lxxaT4D8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS7lxxaT4D8); http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MItC-vfza0M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MItC-vfza0M)}. Furthermore, FOX news said Dr. Hinton passed a lie detector test {at 1:11, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8FshnSFpg4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8FshnSFpg4)}.
The above four categories (DNA, photographic, graphologist, and lie detector) are very strong scientific evidence that Jesse is truly Elvis, and therefore he did fake his death. Actually, there is a great deal more evidence than this that Elvis faked his death {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=79&t=1342#p18198 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=79&t=1342#p18198); http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elvis_Presley_phenomenon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elvis_Presley_phenomenon); http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8FshnSFpg4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8FshnSFpg4); http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8jwW6IeI2Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8jwW6IeI2Q); http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2qdrxAFVwU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2qdrxAFVwU); http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjNJCt2y7_I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjNJCt2y7_I); http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhb8jVN6Tl8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhb8jVN6Tl8); http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MItC-vfza0M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MItC-vfza0M); http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS7lxxaT4D8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS7lxxaT4D8)}
However, for the sake of keeping this fairly short, let’s stop here and notice some very clear reasons why Eliza’s story is not some elaborate fabrication.
If this was a big joke: it would be very easy for Graceland to disprove it (provide DNA); but they have not even tried. Also, Eliza did not set out to prove that Elvis is alive; instead, she set out to find her real father—and unexpectedly stumbled across amazing evidence that Vernon Presley was her real father (and therefore that Jesse/Elvis is her half brother). She is not asking for money, she only wants the public to know the truth; if she was trying to get tons of money, then that would probably raise questions about a possible motive for attempting a scam—but she is not.
Another interesting point is that Priscilla Presley knows the truth about Elvis, and did a movie in 1998 about Elvis being alive {http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001636/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001636/); http://www.crackle.com/c/Finding_Graceland/Finding_Graceland/2481435 (http://www.crackle.com/c/Finding_Graceland/Finding_Graceland/2481435); http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN4GNW2j9Gs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN4GNW2j9Gs)}. It is quite interesting that 1998 is a very significant number in relation to Michael Jackson, and his fake death (see 6-8, below).
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6-2 Double-bam: ElvisAndMJ.com
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10384#p174363 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10384#p174363)}
Here are some videos, with some very amazing Elvis and MJ parallels—both before and after the “deaths” {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFp8DJyN68E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFp8DJyN68E); http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRnCi5uz9SY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRnCi5uz9SY); http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMmPhaAtclg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMmPhaAtclg); http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO5Bizr6osc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO5Bizr6osc)}.
In Summary:
King of Rock / King of Pop
Graceland / Neverland
Lisa Marie Presley daughter / wife (no doubt MJ learned some hoax tips)
“Death” was claimed drug related, and heart related
“Died” at home
Taken to hospital in ambulance (even though already “dead”)
CPR on the way to hospital
Declared “dead” at hospital
Phony autopsy {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=40 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=40)}
Investigation into doctor
Different middle name (Aron vs. Aaron / Joe vs. Joseph)
This Is Elvis / This Is It (films about Elvis & MJ, released after the “deaths”)
“Death” dates equals their own concert intro, related to space (see 6-9, below)
Other numerology (see 6-8, below)
And the list goes on {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=467 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=467); http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=10 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=10)}.
Lisa Marie Presley reported that Michael told her: “I am afraid that I am going to end up like him [Elvis], the way he did.” {http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=42291868&blogId=497035326 (http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=42291868&blogId=497035326)}. How did Elvis end up? With a fake death; so MJ must have known about it, and expected to do the same.
Yes, the “deaths” of Elvis and MJ are so similar—that if one faked his death, then so did the other. And now we can be certain that Elvis did fake his death, which means that we can also be certain that MJ faked his death! In fact, in the category of clues: we have far more clues from MJ than from Elvis.
There are a few big differences. One is the open casket for Elvis, versus closed casket for MJ. Everyone said that it did not look like Elvis in the casket (some said it looked like a wax dummy); so MJ learned from that, and had a closed casket. Another difference is that there were few if any clues from Elvis about a return/bam; but many such clues from MJ {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9763 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9763)}. Even now, Elvis/Jesse is not interested in the spotlight; he wants to remain in privacy. At least for Elvis, the concept of “bam” refers to the final court ruling on Eliza’s case, and/or the media reporting that he is still alive (rather than Elvis himself performing again, or even being seen by the public).
Whichever bam comes first (MJ or Elvis): everyone will then realize that the other one was most likely a fake death as well. In fact, we really don’t even need to wait until either bam to claim the victory; the evidence is so strong right now, that nobody can get away with ridiculing either Elvis or MJ hoax fans anymore!
In fact, all you need to do is ask people to go to http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com (http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com); whether they are Elvis fans, or MJ fans, or anyone really—maybe we can even get the attention of the media! This is an easy domain name to remember, and it’s already pointed to this thread (and it will stay here, even if TIAI redirects elsewhere). Also, I will be watching this thread pretty closely; and if anyone posts ridicule or other non-evidence based objections, I will be here to call them on it (unless someone else does before I do).
For all those who have ridiculed MJ hoax fans, by saying that we are just like Elvis hoax fans: now we can heartily agree—and say yes, and in fact we now have the strongest proof that Elvis hoax fans were right all along!
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6-3 TMZ Series on Lisa Marie Presley
{http://www.tmz.com/person/lisa-marie-presley/ (http://www.tmz.com/person/lisa-marie-presley/)}
Of course Lisa Marie is one of the major links between Elvis and MJ. The sunflowers have already been discussed in great length; but this redirect was more to point out the timing of these six TMZ articles about LMP. Notice that the very first mention of Elvis from TIAI was on 5-10 {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9632 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9632)}; the redirect for 5-11 was merely announcing Update #5 coming soon. Then on 5-12, at 5:12 AM (Pacific Time), TIAI Update (#5) was posted; later that same day, TMZ started the LMP series.
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6-4 Picture of Jesse with Benjamin
{http://www.elvisinfonet.com/image-files/eliza_jesse_benjamin.jpg (http://www.elvisinfonet.com/image-files/eliza_jesse_benjamin.jpg)}
This redirect was a picture of Jesse, with grandson Benjamin sitting on his lap. To see the picture: click the link above, or one of these links {http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page10 (http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page10); http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10500 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10500)}. That last link is a thread with some real good discussions, as well as other Elvis pictures for comparison.
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6-5 “I spoke with Elvis/Jesse”
{http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page39#I-spoke-with-Elvis/Jesse-(on-5-12-2010--jumpless-pointer) (http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page39#I-spoke-with-Elvis/Jesse-(on-5-12-2010--jumpless-pointer))}
This webpage did not have an anchor at the right part of the page for a normal jump, so a “jumpless-pointer” was included in the URL. Of course there are many things on the page of interest; but the most significant was that Linda had talked with Jesse one day prior to May 13, 2010—which means that Elvis is still alive now. And we know that Linda is not a fake, because Eliza has a link to her page (see 6-7, below); and also because Linda was involved with Dr. Hinton, the one who was cleared of fraud charges {http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page1 (http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page1)}.
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6-6 TIAI Update on 5-12, and the First Syllable of EL-VIS
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10536#p176889 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10536#p176889)}
As mentioned already, TMZ started their LMP series on 5-12 (see 6-3, above). On May 13, Linda said “I spoke with Elvis/Jesse yesterday” (see 6-5, above); this means that it would’ve been on 5-12, which again was the day of Update 5 being posted (and Update 5 had 12 sections). Notice also that the first syllable of EL-VIS is EL; E = 5 (fifth letter), and L = 12 (twelfth letter): 5-12 once again! Also, 5 + 1 + 2 = 8, which is the primary number in Elvis numerology (see 6-8, below).
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6-7 Eliza Presley’s Website, With Link to Linda’s Website
{http://www.elizapresley.org/forumdisplay.php?f=6 (http://www.elizapresley.org/forumdisplay.php?f=6)}
This redirect was both for the purpose of showing Eliza’s website, and also for showing that Eliza links to Linda’s website (mentioned in 6-5, above). And notice the timing of the following entries, in relation to the TIAI Elvis redirect on 5-10-2010; as well as the TIAI Update #5a to #5d on 5-12 to 5-19 {http://www.elizapresley.org/index.php (http://www.elizapresley.org/index.php); http://www.elizapresley.org/showthread.php?t=12 (http://www.elizapresley.org/showthread.php?t=12)}.
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6-8 Elvis & MJ Numerology
{http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page33 (http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page33)}
This redirect was on the 8th day of the month, because 8 is the primary number in the Elvis “death” numerology. Elvis “died” on 8-16-1977. The month and day add up to 24 (8 + 16= 24); and the year adds up to 24 (1 + 9 + 7 + 7 = 24). And 24 is 8 + 8 + 8 (888); similar to the MJ numerology 777 & 999 (see below). Elvis was also born on the 8th day of the month (1-8-1935). And Elvis/Jesse has confirmed that this numerology and exact “death” date was planned, and done intentionally {http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page15 (http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page15)}.
Since MJ learned from Elvis: this proves that the MJ numerology was also planned, and is not some astronomical coincidence. Since it was planned, then this shows once again that the numerology does indeed explain some of the reasons for the MJ death hoax. Below is a brief overview of some of the MJ numerology. {For more details, see: http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7064 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7064); http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7124 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7124); http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726); http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9994 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9994)}.
MJ had “777” on his red shirt in “THIS IS IT” {also on the History album cover, etc; http://mocha-soul.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/MichaelJackson-History-Frontal2.jpg (http://mocha-soul.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/MichaelJackson-History-Frontal2.jpg)}.
MJ had 1998 on the cover of the Dangerous album, and also signed this number on many autographs. 1998 / 2 = 999; 1 + 998 = 999, 1 + 9 + 9 + 8 = 27, 2 + 7 = 9; etc. Also, “THIS IS IT” has three vowels, III = 999 (9th letter of the alphabet).
The “death” was 77 days from 9-9-09 (999), and the burial was 7 days from 9-9-09; this makes three sevens (777) linked directly with 9-9-09. {Note: you must use inclusive reckoning; see 4-10 in Update #4b, http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7064 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7064)}. The burial was on a full moon (to the naked eye), and one day before the official full moon.
The memorial was on the 7th day of the 7th month, 7 years after the date on the will; again, three sevens (777). The memorial was also on a full moon (the official full moon, in this case).
And there are three sevens (777) in the timing of the 911 call (12:21) and the “death” (2:26). Also, the 911 call was placed at 12:21, because this number is divisible by 111—along with almost all of the MJ hoax numbers; in fact, “THIS IS IT” is 111 minutes long. Finally, the 12:21 call relates to the date 12-21-2012.
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6-9 Elvis & MJ “Death” Dates Equal Concert Intro
{http://lilwendy.wordpress.com/2010/06/08/tiai-thisisalsoit-elvisjesse-numerology-link/ (http://lilwendy.wordpress.com/2010/06/08/tiai-thisisalsoit-elvisjesse-numerology-link/)}
Add the day, month, and year together: 8 + 16 + 1977 = 2001. This is the name of a film about space, which was a favourite of Elvis—so much so, that he used the song from it to open his concerts {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001:_A_Space_Odyssey_(film) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001:_A_Space_Odyssey_(film)); http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Also_sprach_Zarathustra_(Richard_Strauss) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Also_sprach_Zarathustra_(Richard_Strauss))}.
Did MJ learn about this as well, and incorporate the same numerology clue into his own fake death? Yes, indeed he did! 6 + 25 + 2009 = 2040. This is the year that MJ had clearly shown on the bottom of the space ship, in his concert intro! {See 0:15, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mkzqdx021k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mkzqdx021k); http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10685 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10685)}
This again proves that MJ planned his “death” to the very day, many years ago (as I have said all along). And why would 6-25-2009 need to be the exact day? Not for the memorial on 7-7-09; the “death” could’ve been before or after 6-25, and still had the memorial on the full moon July 7. It’s because 6-25-09 is the only day that is 77 days from 9-9-09; and this locks in 999 with the MJ numerology, as well as 1998 and all the rest.
If there are still some who say that they don’t believe in the numbers: don’t let them off the hook that easily; be nice, but be firm! Ask why they don’t believe in the numbers; and ask them to calculate the odds that these numbers were all coincidence. If they are not mathematical, then find a math teacher! If they really want to know the truth, and they are truly investigating, then this is the way to find out the truth. But if they don’t want to bother with any of this, then it would show that the real problem is not in the numbers; the real problem is that they don’t want the truth.
Interesting... :shock: Doesn't sound like Elvis, though. I mean, he's voice should sound "old" by now.
About the DVD on Amazon - it got kinda eery when I listened WBSS song :shock: And what's with that, anyway WTF??
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My god, imagine if two kings come back at the same time. That would be...well, that would be...SOMETHING.
Just one comment on the TS Elvis thread... I do feel that the numerology stuff is silly. You just add, multiply, divide, subtract a bunch of numbers until you get something that reveals some sort of a connection. There doesn't seem to be any rules, just math puzzles. I think the number crunching is very far-fetched.
Silencing the Critics, And $999 REwarD??? You bET
Today is 9-9-10 (CA time), the one year anniversary of 9-9-09! It’s also 77 days (inclusive) after the one year anniversary of the MJ “death”. And my very first post was about the 9-9-09 numerology, posted two days before on 9-7-09; maybe a few here remember this (it was posted on the old MJDH.com forum).
As stated in Update #6, Update #7 probably will not be before bamsday. I’m not calling this post an update, because it’s really not much new information; it’s more of a response and challenge to the critics, and backing up what I’ve said already with a $999 reward.
Outline:
$999 Reward!!!
The Coincidence Test
You Don’t Need to Be a Rocket Scientist
Did MJ Plan the Elvis Parallels?
Answering the Critics
Does MJ Have Any Informers?
Strongest Evidence that TS Is a Fake Informer
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$999 Reward!!!
On the one year anniversary of 9-9-09, this is a very fitting time to offer this $999 reward. The reward will go to the first person who can show mathematically and statistically, that there is one chance in any number less than a million (1 chance in 999,999 or 1 chance in 500,000, etc), that all the MJ numerology listed in step 3 below happened by chance.
Anyone can accept this offer, but they must do each of the following 5 steps.
Step 1: Carefully read each of the following three times: all of this post, and TIAI Updates #4b, #4c, #5a, #5d, #6 (especially #6-8 & #6-9).
Step 2: Start a post (in the TIAI subforum) titled: “$999 Claim, By John Doe [don’t use this name, use your own username]”. Include in your post steps 3 and 4, below; also, any discussion regarding step 5 should be done in this same thread.
Step 3: Show your calculations for each separate numerology (a. to l.) happening by chance {for an example, see the 12:21 phone call time, http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9994 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9994)}.
Be sure to include:
a. The 911 call was in the first few seconds of 12:21
b. 12:21 to 2:26 is 2 hours and 5 minutes on June 25; 2 + 5 = 7
c. 1,221 + 226 = 1447; 1 + 4 + 4 + 7 = 16; 1 + 6 = 7
d. Memorial 7th day of 7th month, 7 years after will (and full moon)
e. 77 days from “death” to 9-9-09
f. 7 days from “burial” to 9-9-09 (and almost full moon)
g. THIS IS IT vowels = 999
h. HIS (HIStory and THIS IS IT) backwards = 1998
i. 1998 autograph; 1998 - 666 = 1332 / 4 = 333 + 666 = 999
j. 777 + 999 = 1776
k. All of these numbers (333, 666, 777, 999, 1221, 1776, 1998) are divisible by 111
l. 8 + 16 + 1977 = 2001; 6 + 25 + 2009 = 2040 (space intros for Elvis and MJ)
Step 4: Show your calculations for the combination of all these numerologies happening by chance. Your answer here at step 4 must be 1 chance in 999,999 or less (because one chance in a million or more does not qualify for the reward).
Step 5: Allow me to question/challenge your calculations.
If you can defend your calculations and statistics by answering my questions/challenges: then PM your mailing address to me, and I will send you $999 (U.S. dollars) via Western Union!
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The Coincidence Test
If nobody is able to collect the $999 reward: the only way out at that point will be to claim that a one-in-a-million chance actually happened. However, while it’s fairly easy to merely claim that it was all coincidence, it is much harder to demonstrate it. This is why I have created “the coincidence test”—so that people can easily see whether the one-in-a-million coincidence claim is realistic or not.
First of all, to help put things in perspective, if the odds of something happening by coincidence are 1 chance in only 2: there is still a 50% chance that it will not happen by coincidence. And if it’s 1 chance in 10: there is a 90% chance that it will not happen by coincidence. If it’s 1 chance in 100: there’s a 99% chance that it won’t happen by coincidence. 1 chance in 1,000 is 99.9% that it won’t happen by coincidence. And finally 1 chance in 1,000 times 1,000 (one in a million)—is 99.9999% chance that it would NOT happen by coincidence!!!!!!!!!
Saying that the MJ “death” timing and numerology all happened by coincidence would be like playing Russian roulette with 999,999 bullets, and one blank {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_roulette (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_roulette)}. Although there is one big difference: Russian roulette only puts one person’s life in danger; but with NWO and end of the world, millions of lives are in danger!
For those who want to play “the coincidence test”: it’s quite similar to a lottery, except fortunately it won’t cost money like gambling and the lottery (and also nobody will win money). I saw a bumper sticker once that said, “Lottery: a tax on people who failed math class.”
Anyway, if you want to try the coincidence test: start a thread (in the TIAI subforum) titled: “The Coincidence Test”. Then take a guess at what the last two digits (right of the decimal) will be in the Dow, Nasdaq, and S&P 500, once the stock market closes for the day {see http://finance.yahoo.com/ (http://finance.yahoo.com/)}. You must state your guess at least 24 hours in advance; and also identify which date your guess applies to (use the date based upon a time zone in the USA); the digits remain in view for more than 12 hours after the market closes, so there is plenty of time to see if your guess was right (they are also recorded permanently).
Make sure you identify which two digits go with Dow, and which ones go with Nasdaq, and which ones with S&P 500. For example: Dow = .77; Nasdaq = .79; S&P 500 = .99; this will make a six-digit number (777,999), which has a one chance in a million of being correct (000,000 to 999,999). These stock market decimal numbers are quite random, and nobody will be able to know them 24 hours in advance (or control them); so if someone gets all six digits correct, then that will be a one-in-a-million coincidence!
Now we must not forget the aspect of opportunities, when we are calculating odds of a coincidence. For this to actually happen as a one-in-a-million coincidence: it has to be the very first person who gets the six numbers correct. Because the second person will be two-in-a-million, and the third will be three-in-a-million, etc.
If one hundred guesses are made, that would be a one-in-ten-thousand chance; because although though the odds are one in a million, the opportunities are one hundred (so 1,000,000 divided by 100 = 10,000). Nevertheless, if hundreds or even thousands of “coincidence test” guesses are made—it is still very unlikely that anyone will get it right!
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You Don’t Need to Be a Rocket Scientist
If nobody can succeed in the $999 reward, or the coincidence test—not mathematicians or anyone else—then we will all know the MJ “death” related numerology happened by plan. You won’t need to be a rocket scientist or a statistician, to understand that the numerology was not by chance.
And if it was planned, it would not be rational to claim that the plan was a murder plot. This is because some of the numerology was promoted by MJ himself before the “death” (777, 1998, 2040, etc); and also because the family was involved in the memorial and burial numerology timing after the “death”.
Furthermore, as stated previously, the numerology goes beyond merely proving that the “death” was planned by MJ and family (and therefore a hoax); it also gives some of the major reasons for the hoax: 2012 (end of the world), 666 & 999 (NWO), 2040 (MJ planned intentional parallels with Elvis), etc.
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Did MJ Plan the Elvis Parallels?
And speaking of MJ planning intentional parallels with the Elvis “death”: although some responded very positively to http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com (http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com), and the Elvis/Eliza developments, unfortunately many others did not.
There are millions and millions of MJ fans; that is, if you are referring to people who are fans of MJ’s music. But far less people are fans of MJ the person! And if you are a fan of MJ himself, not just his music: the only question should be whether the Elvis connections were planned by MJ, or coincidence. If planned, then you should not go against what he himself planned (unless you’re just an MJ music fan).
Actually, the numerology alone should show that the Elvis connections were carefully planned, and not all coincidence (unless someone can collect the $999 reward). And if MJ did not want the public to know about the Elvis connections: then why did he put the MJ 2040 visible on stage where everyone could see it??? {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mkzqdx021k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mkzqdx021k); http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10685 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10685)}
There are numerous other amazing parallels with Elvis, only possible if they were planned by MJ (they can’t all be coincidence). And several of these parallels were made very public by MJ—such as the title, “This Is It” paralleling with “This Is Elvis”, and much more {http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/elvispresley_michaeljackson_connections.php (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/elvispresley_michaeljackson_connections.php)}.
Also, even though MJ and LMP are not married anymore: yet it is disrespectful to MJ (as well as LMP) to minimize the Elvis connection—even if there were NO other connections! Just a few days after the TIAI Update #6 on Elvis and MJ was posted, Jermaine spoke very highly of LMP and MJ {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r91T8jCl_EE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r91T8jCl_EE)}. Do you really think that MJ appreciates his “fans” opposing the Elvis connection??
For those who opposed bringing Elvis into it, because people would think we are even crazier: so what? If the truth hits the public on either “death” (Elvis or MJ), then they will realize that we were not so crazy after all! Then they will be much more likely to come back, and hear what else we have to say.
However, if we wait till the public knows: nobody will pay attention to us then, because everybody will know by then from the mainstream media. If we rattle cages now: then when it comes out in public, they will be back to find out how we knew BEFORE it came out publicly! Then they will be much more ready to listen to the rest of the message!
Furthermore, even though Elvis fans have been saying he’s alive for 33 years, yet only recently has DNA evidence surfaced that scientifically proves Elvis lives! We don’t need to be intimidated anymore, by those who ridicule Elvis being alive as a crazy “conspiracy theory”; we can challenge them with hard DNA evidence, the Eliza court case, no Elvis relative has provided DNA to disprove Eliza, etc.
Speaking of Eliza’s case, and the next step: there’s often a 30-day window for objection to a Motion for Summary Judgment. For now, though, let’s wait until there are major developments in Eliza’s case, before going to the media again about Eliza.
Speaking of Elvis and going to the media: this was another area of major disagreement on the forum; some in support of it, and many not in support. So on July 20, I redirected to the ALLJACK5ONS tweet about “media take notice” {http://twitter.com/Marlon_Jackson/status/10355780029 (http://twitter.com/Marlon_Jackson/status/10355780029); formerly http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/10355780029 (http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/10355780029)}. Yet to some this was not good enough, because it was tweeted about three months before my Elvis and MJ update (#6).
But the “media take notice” was referring to the hoax; we know this because the media already has taken notice of the homicide and murder theories. And if the Jacksons want the media to take notice of the hoax, then that includes the Elvis parallels—since MJ planned those parallels, and even made some of them very public (2040, This Is It, etc).
Last but not least: it was this very same “media take notice” tweet, which became the focus of the post by bec titled “Strong Evidence of TS’s Authenticity”
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=13541&start=0 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=13541&start=0)}. This tweet-delete happened in early August, which was after all of the disagreement about Elvis and MJ, and whether or not to go to the media, etc; and it was also after I redirected (on July 20) to this “media take notice” tweet, in support of going to the media with the Elvis connection. Therefore, if the Jacksons were against the Elvis connection and/or going to the media: then why in August did they delete enough tweets to keep “media take notice” at the very bottom of the page, exactly as I said clear back in May?
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Answering the Critics
Shortly after Update #6, there was a fair amount of discussion on a few threads criticizing TS. Several of the questions and objections are worthy of response; and in fact, a few members already posted some very good responses. {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=6951 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=6951);
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11733 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11733); http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11198 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11198)}.
However, I’m going to add a few replies of my own. And let me make it clear that I don’t mind sincere criticism, because truth can stand up to questions and objections—the truth will prevail! The problem is when people make empty accusations, with no evidence, such as “TS is nonsense”; statements like this with no evidence are useless, and I won’t even try to respond to them.
Should the Jacksons tweet about TIAI? This was suggested and even urged by a few. Well, they can tweet this if they want; but it’s not very likely, especially not before bamsday. Also, they did recently delete enough tweets to keep the AOL (Army Of LOVE) tweet on the bottom of the page—just like I said back in May; see again the post by bec, “Strong Evidence of TS Authenticity” {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=13541 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=13541); http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=13541&start=125#p232795 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=13541&start=125#p232795)}.
Also, for those who want to disprove TS/TIAI: why don’t you ask Jacksons to tweet something against TIAI? Surely if they don’t do that, then this will be final proof that TS is not fake—right??? And if that reasoning doesn’t hold much water, then neither does the opposite reasoning (Jacksons not tweeting in support of TIAI proves that TS is fake).
There were also some concerns that I mentioned the concept of people being tested, and some failing the test; it was suggested that MJ would not do this. Well, what about Murray? Don’t you think many people have failed the same basic (prejudice) test—calling him a murderer, even before the preliminary hearing?? Don’t you think that MJ planned this test, to help expose the problems of prejudice and trial by media? {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11198#p187832 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11198#p187832); http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11198#p187841 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11198#p187841)}
Passing the test does not mean gullibly believing anything and everything that TS says, merely because TS is the one who says it; you have always been asked to verify the evidence for yourself, and debunk it if you can, etc. However, those who refuse anything and everything that TS says, merely because TS is the one who says it—regardless of any and all evidence that has never yet been debunked—they are not at the A+ level on the report card! <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
Speaking of trying to debunk TS: one particular member kept dwelling on my statements about “few” in on the hoax—claiming that there were more than “few”, so this alone proves that TS is a fake {see Update 4d, http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7194 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7194)}. However, this is just another of many examples of critics not carefully reading what I said. The word “few” is always relative; and in comparison to all the stars in the sky, one thousand is a “few” stars. Taken in context, the “few” that I mentioned was in relation to this statement: “the entire state of California is not in on the hoax. ... only a relatively few people would need to be ‘in on it’” (in 4-36 & 4-38).
I never gave any specific number other than “more than three”; but if you read all my posts, you will find that I myself did mention several specifically involved with the hoax: MJ, family, Conrad, Kenny Ortega, coroner, hospital, FBI, TMZ, etc. And there are many others (friends/celebrities) who may not have a direct role, and yet understand that it’s a hoax (much like us).
For those who have suggested that TS edits posts later to hide mistakes, etc: notice that Update #4d (referenced above) has not been edited even once (see bottom of the post). I do not edit posts after posting them, except when adding a link to new parts—and that is only a few days later at most (see for example the bottom of Update #4a, #4b, & #4c, all say “edited 1 time in total”). Also, every TS post is copied onto several other hoax forums, where it would be practically impossible to edit them. So if you want to verify what I originally wrote, check it out on other hoax forums!
Another question was this: “why didn’t he [MJ] wear anything with the number 9 in TII?” Answer: he wore 777 on his red shirt, and had 999 in the vowels of the title (as well as 1998 again, which is 999 x 2, etc {see Update #5a, http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726)}. If he had 999 on the shirt, and 777 in the title of TII—you probably would’ve complained that he didn’t wear 777!
Furthermore, TII movie poster was officially released on 9-9-09; and TII itself released 7 weeks after 9-9-09, etc. And the “death” and “burial” was 77 & 7 days from 9-9-09 (resurrection). How much more do you want???
Yes, if you don’t use inclusive it doesn’t work. But it CAN’T POSSIBLY work with BOTH inclusive AND standard reckoning; so you MUST pick one of the two, if you are planning it out. And inclusive is the BETTER of the two options: because it is Biblical, and most widely known in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus! Also MJ used inclusive when he said “four more years” in the spring of 2009; normally that would end in 2013—but inclusive is 2009 (year one), 2010 (year two), 2011 (year three), and 2012 (year four).
There are two other major areas of TS criticism. The first complaint is that TMZ and TS are just playing around; and the second complaint is that TS return/bam predictions have not come true. These two subjects are addressed in the next two sections, below.
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Does MJ Have Any Informers?
Elvis/Jesse had Dr. Hinton as an informer, and he helped to write the book {see Update #6, http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11061 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11061)}. And Elvis/Jesse still has Linda as an informer {http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/index.php (http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/index.php)}. So would MJ have no informers? And if that doesn’t make sense, then who are the reliable MJ informers—if not TMZ and/or TS? {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11198&start=25#p189140 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11198&start=25#p189140)}
Is the Jackson family the only informers? And if so, why have they given almost no clues for quite a while? And if the family is against TMZ, then why have they done interviews with TMZ {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?keywords=recap&terms=all&author=&fid%5B%5D=50&sc=0&sf=titleonly&sr=posts&sk=t&sd=d&st=0&ch=100&t=0&submit=Search (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?keywords=recap&terms=all&author=&fid%5B%5D=50&sc=0&sf=titleonly&sr=posts&sk=t&sd=d&st=0&ch=100&t=0&submit=Search)}? Why don’t they openly speak out against TMZ? Yes, Jermaine did mention a complaint about camera people laughing in court {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3OiJMjilg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3OiJMjilg)}; but this is all that he mentioned, he said nothing against TMZ reporting MJ news and/or hoax information, etc.
And let’s go back to the beginning once more: why was TMZ first to report the MJ “death”? Some have suggested that this is merely because TMZ was faster than all the other media, and got the information ahead of everyone else. But would MJ be so sloppy, as to accidentally allow an internet tabloid site be the first to find out about the “death”? If MJ planned this all out so well for so long (see Updates #4 & #6): don’t you think that he would also plan what media facility he wanted to first announce the “death”?
Furthermore, if MJ does not have a news source in on the hoax: then how can he demonstrate the problem of the media running stories from other news facilities, without checking it out for themselves (which is exactly what happens when TMZ posts articles)? And if MJ did plan to demonstrate this, then what news company is he using—if not TMZ??
Even if MJ were really dead, it’s possible that one or more in the Jackson family would read the hoax theories on the internet. And if you are sure MJ is alive: then you can be certain that they are watching the hoax on the internet. And even if they read one and only one hoax forum, surely it would be this one (MJDHI); because it’s the first hit on Google, because you don’t have to sign up to read it, and because it is the only hoax forum on the TMZ blog roll {http://www.tmz.com/blogroll/ (http://www.tmz.com/blogroll/)}.
Now why would TMZ put only this hoax forum on blog roll—which is also the only forum that TS posts on? If MJ and/or TMZ is against the TIAI messages: then this forum should NEVER be the on the TMZ blog roll!
For those who have claimed that TS is only connected with TMZ, but not anything else in the hoax; here is the list yet again (with one more added). And this time there are sixteen ones with a * (instead of a #); these sixteen are all connections to more than just TMZ.
*1. MJ investigation complete, only two days after TIAI announced Update #1.
*2. 333 pages of FBI files, planned release on same day as TIAI Revealed.
*3. $9.99 while LaToya shopping, connecting with “99” days after 9-9-09.
#4. Six 911 articles on TMZ, the day after TIAI conspiracies on Google (911, etc).
#5. Murray on TMZ news four times, the same day as the TIAI Murray redirect.
*6. Vendetta on 11-5; Evan Chandler / Emerald City on 11-17 (70th anniversary).
*7. 2012 trailer, a week before “Jackson” and many other MJ parallels came out.
*8. TII Resurrection scene in a graveyard (not funeral & casket, etc).
*9. TII would Reveal the hoax (Smooth Criminal, no RIP, BAM statement, etc).
*10. TII would show the MJ “Return” (this very word is now on the DVD).
*11. 1998 autograph codes; 77 days & 7 days all pointed to 9-9-09, fulfilled by several TII and MJ related events.
*12. ALLJACK5ONS tweet on 1-18 about TIAI “Revealed” (also the 3-11 tweet).
#13. TMZ clue on January 25.
#14. TMZ, Murray, and murder versus hoax clue on February 5.
*15. High probability of “piece by piece” return starting in January (see #12, etc).
*16. Autopsy finalized 9-9-09, released just one day after I said “9-9-09 update”.
#17. TIAI redirect to TMZ, less than an hour before the big MJ Killed Himself post.
#18. Update #4 (4-44), #17 article posted on 4-4 at 4:00 AM (444).
*19. Elvis redirect on 5-10, several Elvis events happen from 5-12 to 5-20 (next).
*20. Update 5 (with 12 sections) on 5-12 at 5:12 AM; later that day TMZ starts LMP series from 5-12 to 5-17. Also, Linda talks to Jesse on 5-12.
*21. The final part of TIAI Update (#5d) is posted evening of 5-19 (CA time). On 5-19, Eliza posted a message on her homepage, for the first time in about four months; then on 5-20, the article by attorney Mayoras was posted (6-1, above).
*22. “Strong Evidence of TS’s Authenticity” {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=13541 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=13541); http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=0&t=13541&p=232799#p232795 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=0&t=13541&p=232799#p232795)}
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Strongest Evidence that TS Is a Fake Informer
TIAI Update #6 was titled: “TIai update #6: Michael & Elvis, DOuble-bam This Summer?!?” And yes, summer is nearly over. So if there’s no bam soon, then I guess this is very strong evidence that TS is fake, right?
However, although the critics will no doubt be eager to use this reasoning as soon as summer is over, there is one minor problem with this reasoning—and that problem is the following list of the others who would also have to be fake, using the same basic reasoning: Jermaine, 5 Brothers, TMZ, Paris, Ortega, Janet, and even MJ himself!
Jermaine’s “The Tribute” has said “coming SOON” for about a year now {http://www.thetribute2010.com/ (http://www.thetribute2010.com/)}; actually, it was originally titled The Tribute 2009 {http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&q=%22the+tribute+2009%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=5d0b50e146560710 (http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&q=%22the+tribute+2009%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=5d0b50e146560710)}. The “5 Brothers Enterprises” website—with BAM illustrated visually and in the audio—has also said “coming SOON” since December 2009 {http://www.whois.net/whois/5brothersenterprises.com (http://www.whois.net/whois/5brothersenterprises.com)}.
TMZ had a “big clue” for January 18, 2010; but nothing happened {http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/18/michael-jackson-dr-conrad-murray-lapd-investigation-applied-pharmacy-search-warrant-las-vegas/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/18/michael-jackson-dr-conrad-murray-lapd-investigation-applied-pharmacy-search-warrant-las-vegas/); http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=3391 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=3391)}. And in the same month (January 2010), Paris said “Daddy was supposed to be here. Daddy was going to perform this year.” {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=5024 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=5024)}
Many already know about Kenny Ortega’s tweet: “Smee: Captain, the ice is melting, the sun is out and the flowers are all in bloom Captain Hook: He’s back” {Sep 1st, 2009 via web; http://twitter.com/KennyOrtegaBlog/status/3684282550 (http://twitter.com/KennyOrtegaBlog/status/3684282550)}. This was so obvious, that he got several questions about it; so only one day later, Kenny said: “... I was quoting text from Peter Pan. Please don’t look for hidden messages. Promise they’re not there. Just fun” {http://twitter.com/KennyOrtegaBlog/status/3706966897 (http://twitter.com/KennyOrtegaBlog/status/3706966897)}.
Now if MJ were really dead, then we wouldn’t pay much attention to these tweets from Kenny; but if MJ is alive, then the first tweet was indeed a clue—and the second one was to deter further questioning. It is true that the first tweet doesn’t give a specific year, it only mentions springtime; however, unless he was referring to the very next spring (2010), then this tweet was essentially pointless—because it could be ANY spring from now until forever.
On June 14, 2010, Janet tweeted this: “It’s time the fans know the truth …”
{Jun 14th via web; http://twitter.com/JanetJackson/status/16174141128 (http://twitter.com/JanetJackson/status/16174141128), verified account}. What “truth” was Janet referring to, that was then “time” for the fans to “know”? Perhaps that MJ is dead, and he was murdered? If so, that is nothing that hasn’t been said many times already. Furthermore, if MJ is alive, then murder would not be the “truth”—instead, the hoax would be the truth. Yet nearly three months have passed since then, and no hoax truth has come out publicly from the Jacksons.
Last but not least, MJ himself said at the London press conference: “see you in July”! If he really died, then this was merely a reference to the planned concerts in July 2009; but if he was planning a fake death, then the “July” did not refer to 2009. Of course he didn’t say what year, just like Kenny’s tweet; but once again, if MJ didn’t mean July 2010, then it could be any year—and therefore it would be practically meaningless.
Actually, if you’re going to include all of the above as fake MJ hoax informers, then you might as well include Dr. Hinton as a fake Elvis hoax informer; because Dr. Hinton—the very one who helped write the book with Elvis/Jesse—said Elvis would come out publicly in the year 2002, but it didn’t happen {http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page19 (http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page19)}.
And what about attorney Mayoras, who is an informer with Eliza’s case? Back in May he said: “Eliza Presley’s court case is back on track and scheduled to come to a head this summer. … Stay tuned until this summer. That’s when the real fun begins.” {http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/2010/05/the-elvis-presley-conspiracy-part-iv-what-does-it-all-mean.html (http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/2010/05/the-elvis-presley-conspiracy-part-iv-what-does-it-all-mean.html)}. Summer is about over, so does “this summer” make him a fake informer? By the way “This Summer” is the exact phrase that I used in my Update #6—along with two question marks {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11061 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11061)}.
Eliza herself knows that there can be delays, when you are dealing with court cases. She said the following: “Of course, any time that you deal with the legal system, you cannot predict a time frame, can you?” {http://www.elvisinfonet.com/interview_elizapresley1.htm (http://www.elvisinfonet.com/interview_elizapresley1.htm)}.
Like everyone else involved in the MJ and Elvis hoaxes, I can’t give any certain dates for bam; I can only give possibilities. And at this point, don’t be too surprised if nothing major happens until after Eliza and/or Murray cases are done.
There are some interesting dates coming up: 10-10-10, Halloween, and November 5 (V for Vendetta); but as always, don’t put too much on any particular date.
What we do know for sure is that: “It’s all going to come out; it’s all going to unfold.” {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd0SoaOe-cs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd0SoaOe-cs)}. This is what Jermaine said back in February, 2010; and it was stated in the context of the “airport” slip, so we know he meant the hoax is all going to come out {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7010 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7010)}.
Jermaine also reiterated this again on Larry King interview in June, 2010. “[Larry:] Do you think we’ll ever find out the whole story? [Jermaine:] Yes! Yes! You know why, because his [MJ’s] family is not going to let it not happen. ... We’re going to do everything in our power as a family to make sure the world knows what really happened.” {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3OiJMjilg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3OiJMjilg)}.
Yes, there have been delays; and as time passes, more members may leave this forum (and many have left already). But don’t worry too much; they will all come rushing back right after bamsday—along with thousands and thousands of new members.
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I’m not going to take the time and space in this post, to explain the latest set of redirects; most of them were understood correctly anyway. For those who want to see a list of them, LilWendy has done a great job of keeping track {http://lilwendy.wordpress.com/2010/09/09/www-thisisalsoit-com-to-date/ (http://lilwendy.wordpress.com/2010/09/09/www-thisisalsoit-com-to-date/)}. Also, don’t expect more redirects—at least not until there are significant developments with the Elvis/Eliza or MJ/Murray cases.
Meanwhile, anyone can promote this $999 reward through any method that you want. But please do NOT reference http://www.ThisIsAlsoIt.com (http://www.ThisIsAlsoIt.com) for the $999 reward, because sooner or later it will probably get redirected away from this post. Instead, use http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com (http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com) for the $999 reward (and I will ask Mo & Souza to put a link from that page to this post).
... and now it’s Time for me to Sign,
The Sign
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Then maybe you would like to debunk TS' numerology and show us how "silly" it is!
Another interesting fact... Jon Cotner informs his friends to contact him by entering "777" in the subject field....
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Then maybe you would like to debunk TS' numerology and show us how "silly" it is!
Debunking numerology would be about as useful as debunking Greek Mythology. I mean no disrespect, but every time someone starts going Harold Camping on us by using numerology, it makes all of us Believers look crazy. Numerology never earned any credibility as an actual science, it was invented for fun and amusement. You should research its origins. Again, I mean no disrespect... I just feel that numerology is incredibly *OFF-TOPIC* in any discussion. Just my opinion.
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Then maybe you would like to debunk TS' numerology and show us how "silly" it is!
Debunking numerology would be about as useful as debunking Greek Mythology. I mean no disrespect, but every time someone starts going Harold Camping on us by using numerology, it makes all of us Believers look crazy. Numerology never earned any credibility as an actual science, it was invented for fun and amusement. You should research its origins. Again, I mean no disrespect... I just feel that numerology is incredibly *OFF-TOPIC* in any discussion. Just my opinion.
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Then maybe you would like to debunk TS' numerology and show us how "silly" it is!
Debunking numerology would be about as useful as debunking Greek Mythology. I mean no disrespect, but every time someone starts going Harold Camping on us by using numerology, it makes all of us Believers look crazy. Numerology never earned any credibility as an actual science, it was invented for fun and amusement. You should research its origins. Again, I mean no disrespect... I just feel that numerology is incredibly *OFF-TOPIC* in any discussion. Just my opinion.
Agree! :P
it was invented for fun and amusement.
Okay, please let me offer my apologies. If you say that Michael (the man) took a special interest in numerology, then I'll respect that. However, I can't help but question the validity of this claim. [....]http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=20301.msg383452#msg383452
And I must know... Has anyone seen the "Elvis Found Alive" documentary that was released yesterday?http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=20662.msg386639#new
LOL! Jon Cotner has been proven to not be Elvis and yes that is a photoshopped picture.
You are sure it is a photoshopped picture. I suspected it was.
Agree :o ???/
On Jon Cotner being Elvis. "Jon" comes out and says it's now his real name. He's not going by Jon Burrows. There is only one guy on You Tube you will find all information on Jon Cotner. His name is Jimmythejam. He has also made i believe 6 audios about setting the record straight with Jon. Listen to those. Jon makes many many slip ups about his identity. He claims "Elvis" died Aug 16. 19777. Meaning "that Elvis", died. Think about people, because there are soooo many impersonators of them, why couldn't they just go out and be themselves as impersonators. I mean really if someone walks up to them and says " wow you really look like Elvis Presley", Elvis says " yea, I hear that alot", & "wow you really sound like Elvis Presley too", .... Elvis says " yea, I hear that alot too". If I know Elvis faked his death (which he did) and i say " I'm going to get his DNA" who am I going to compare it against? The Presley estate is closed for any DNA , & I'd have to match it against LIsa Marie. That won't happen. So faking his death doesnt mean he had to hide. He hides in plain site. The guy Jimmythejam that has all the Jon Cotner audios on you tube has information I have never seen or heard anywhere else. Listen to the audios for you NON_BELIEVERS. better yet find an Elvis fan that grew up with his music, like I did. MY co-worker has been Elvis fan & has spent $$$$$$$$$$$ on Elvis goodies, I had him listen to the audiios from Jimmythejam. He said " Holy Sh$t, I spent all that money" but was truly convinced that is Elvis. I've seen some videos makings of Janet Jackson, & the one of the guys in the studio is Jimmythejam. Might not be no connection. I don't have the time to research "that" Jimmythejam, from her making of the videos, & Jimmythejam from the person who does have all the Elvis/Jon Cotner videos. Jon Cotner is just a name "Elvis" made up. He admits that on the audios. I believe Jon Cotner "Elvis" is a preacher now. Living in Fort Worth Texas. Also on You Tube go to JonCother1935, (which is also Elvis) he has videos of his daugther which is a spittin image of Lisa Marie. I would post those on here but I don't know how to do it yet. Sorry. He also had CD Bible readings. Go check it out. You'll see Elvis never hid. He was in plain site except for his 2 years he spent in Hawaii right after he was pronounced dead, & was in a coma. Then spent in Hawaii. There's only 3 people that nothing makes sense in their death............Elvis Presley, Tupac Shakkur, & Michael Jackson. Why???????
[...]The other link doesn't include any association with Michael and numerology aside from mere speculation.lol I think simple denial without any valid contra-argument or solid -proof to "debunk" the hoax-numerology is really based on mere speculation.
Well then, allow me to explain... without a real substantial connection between Michael (the actual human being - not the tabloid image) and numerology, we all become death hoax creators - not investigators. Make sense? Minimum wage psychics are taught numerology because when you add random numbers (any ones that you choose, mind you), you eventually arrive at what appears to be a 'coincidence.'[...]The other link doesn't include any association with Michael and numerology aside from mere speculation.lol I think simple denial without any valid contra-argument or solid -proof to "debunk" the hoax-numerology is really based on mere speculation.
[...]NO.
Well then, allow me to explain... without a real substantial connection between Michael (the actual human being - not the tabloid image) and numerology, we all become death hoax creators - not investigators.
Make sense?
[...]Minimum wage psychics are taught numerology because when you add random numbers (any ones that you choose, mind you), you eventually arrive at what appears to be a 'coincidence.'Again, please give concrete examples of what just "appears to be a coincidence" according to your opinion.
[...]I don't want to talk about numerology anymore.Ah ok. Then thank you for your opinion.
[...]I'm actually not even here to chit-chat.Who is ?
[...] and I apologize for speaking my mind.You don't need to apologize for that, you are free to express your opinion. But if you want to prove us wrong , then you need to come up with more than just "speaking your mind".
Honestly, you're just being rude now.Why? For asking you to sustain your opinion with more than just denials?
We can just agree to disagree about the numerology.Well of course. Who says I want you to agree with me? or vice versa?
I can't disprove it any further than you can prove it.I'm sorry but it's not me who wants to prove something here. (I wrote what I had to say and WHY I believe so... in other topics. And I never claimed to be 100% right!).
sorry for bringing it up. gee-wiz...gee-wiz... funny how some people claim that they are right, yet they never sustain their claims with anything solid really. And when they are confronted and asked for serious talk, then they complain about rudeness!
You were wrong about the documentary only being available for viewing as of the 24th, but I'm not going to torment you for that fact.No, I was not wrong.
you never backed up your claim that MJ himself practiced numerologyWHERE DID I CLAIM THAT? QUOTE?
you never backed up your claim that MJ himself practiced numerology (which was my initial inquiry), but guess what? I forgive you.ohh how "generous" of you to "forgive" me!
I'm trying to drop this and move on.And from what I see, you don't drop it. You continue to insist that you are right even though you make it so obvious you don't have any idea of what you are talking about.
I will go back and review the link that you posted earlier with a more open mind.You should have done this from the very start when I gave you those 2 links. You would have avoided this long and useless discussion.
I've already apologized several times for my past comments.and I told you what I think about this on the previous page.
I think as true MJ fans, we should try to remain civil and understanding here. Otherwise, we are no better than the people who attempted to destroy him. Can we agree on that?Yes I agree with what you say. But I don't see why you feel the need to mention this now and here. Who was not civil here?
The reason I have such a low number of posts is because I hesitated to join (my wife thanks I'm crazy for believing) and I read more than I write. Maybe I have a big mouth, and should stop posting. If I'm not welcome here, then this will be my final post. My apologies to anyone that I offended.You shouldn't take it personal. Nobody asked you anything about your number of posts. Nobody said you have a big mouth. Nobody said you weren't welcome here.
Those song titles also "screamed" into my eyes fresse/ lolll :lol:On Jon Cotner being Elvis. "Jon" comes out and says it's now his real name. He's not going by Jon Burrows. There is only one guy on You Tube you will find all information on Jon Cotner. His name is Jimmythejam. He has also made i believe 6 audios about setting the record straight with Jon. Listen to those. Jon makes many many slip ups about his identity. He claims "Elvis" died Aug 16. 19777. Meaning "that Elvis", died. Think about people, because there are soooo many impersonators of them, why couldn't they just go out and be themselves as impersonators. I mean really if someone walks up to them and says " wow you really look like Elvis Presley", Elvis says " yea, I hear that alot", & "wow you really sound like Elvis Presley too", .... Elvis says " yea, I hear that alot too". If I know Elvis faked his death (which he did) and i say " I'm going to get his DNA" who am I going to compare it against? The Presley estate is closed for any DNA , & I'd have to match it against LIsa Marie. That won't happen. So faking his death doesnt mean he had to hide. He hides in plain site. The guy Jimmythejam that has all the Jon Cotner audios on you tube has information I have never seen or heard anywhere else. Listen to the audios for you NON_BELIEVERS. better yet find an Elvis fan that grew up with his music, like I did. MY co-worker has been Elvis fan & has spent $$$$$$$$$$$ on Elvis goodies, I had him listen to the audiios from Jimmythejam. He said " Holy Sh$t, I spent all that money" but was truly convinced that is Elvis. I've seen some videos makings of Janet Jackson, & the one of the guys in the studio is Jimmythejam. Might not be no connection. I don't have the time to research "that" Jimmythejam, from her making of the videos, & Jimmythejam from the person who does have all the Elvis/Jon Cotner videos. Jon Cotner is just a name "Elvis" made up. He admits that on the audios. I believe Jon Cotner "Elvis" is a preacher now. Living in Fort Worth Texas. Also on You Tube go to JonCother1935, (which is also Elvis) he has videos of his daugther which is a spittin image of Lisa Marie. I would post those on here but I don't know how to do it yet. Sorry. He also had CD Bible readings. Go check it out. You'll see Elvis never hid. He was in plain site except for his 2 years he spent in Hawaii right after he was pronounced dead, & was in a coma. Then spent in Hawaii. There's only 3 people that nothing makes sense in their death............Elvis Presley, Tupac Shakkur, & Michael Jackson. Why???????I watched all of jimmythejams videos and stuff back near the beginning of the hoax, and found them to be very interesting! I totally believe that Elvis is alive, I've investigated it thoroughly and there is too much info for him not to be, just like Michael.
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http://www.amazon.com/Elvis-Found-Alive-Various/dp/B0064U6PD6 look whom is on the cd......hehe
"Wanna Be Startin Something"! lolol/..another "coincidence"??
also I like this one "Do you know who I am"? :mrgreen:
OR my fav.... "Elvis Is "Back" rap"!!! afraid/ geek/
Maybe Elvis is our "Back" and Front is Michael??? Or it could just mean Elvis is coming back, or at least will reveal that he is alive.
[...]Jon Cotner is just a name "Elvis" made up. He admits that on the audios. I believe Jon Cotner "Elvis" is a preacher now. Living in Fort Worth Texas. [...]He also had CD Bible readings. Go check it out. You'll see Elvis never hid. He was in plain site except for his 2 years he spent in Hawaii right after he was pronounced dead [...]I don't know if that's true, but I can picture him as a preacher now... taking into account his great faith in God and his deep spiritual nature , i can imagine that the best way to live his life after the '77 hoax was to continue to do what he had always done: spread God's word... Friends, family, Priscilla said that Elvis loved to preach and speak about God and the Bible.... so I wouldn't be very much surprised if we found out that this is what he really did after he "died".
[...]He was in plain site except for his 2 years he spent in Hawaii right after he was pronounced dead, & was in a coma. [...]So if this is what Jon Cotner says.... this is where I start to doubt...
So, who watched the documentary and what do you guys think about it?
[...]Jon Cotner is just a name "Elvis" made up. He admits that on the audios. I believe Jon Cotner "Elvis" is a preacher now. Living in Fort Worth Texas. [...]He also had CD Bible readings. Go check it out. You'll see Elvis never hid. He was in plain site except for his 2 years he spent in Hawaii right after he was pronounced dead [...]I don't know if that's true, but I can picture him as a preacher now... taking into account his great faith in God and his deep spiritual nature , i can imagine that the best way to live his life after the '77 hoax was to continue to do what he had always done: spread God's word... Friends, family, Priscilla said that Elvis loved to preach and speak about God and the Bible.... so I wouldn't be very much surprised if we found out that this is what he really did after he "died".
[...]Just one comment on the TS Elvis thread... I do feel that the numerology stuff is silly. [...]Quote? Proof? debunk? example? demonstrate?
[...] every time someone starts going Harold Camping on us by using numerology, it makes all of us Believers look crazy. [...]Quote? Proof? debunk? example? demonstrate?
[...]The other link doesn't include any association with Michael and numerology aside from mere speculation.Quote? Proof? debunk? example? demonstrate?
You should have also quoted the part where I had given you the answer to your question, Sherlock.! Sorry, but irony has never successfully substituted truth nor proof!Yeah, actually… you were. When we’re not right about something… that’s the same as being wrong. How is that something else? We're talking about the same movie. You might wanna read the title of this thread again Sherlock.Quote from: CaptainEOYou were wrong about the documentary only being available for viewing as of the 24th, but I'm not going to torment you for that fact.No, I was not wrong. [...]the official release date of the movie "Elvis Found Alive" is marked as the 24th of January 2012.[...]
Now, if there was a site where people could watch the movie by pay click, before the actual release date, that's something else! That's doesn't prove me wrong with anything! That doesn't change the fact that number 24 was again intentionally chosen to mark an important date in the hoax, this time a date release for a documentary about Elvis being alive. That doesn't change the fact that not many people managed to see it yet. Not many people knew about that site. The majority found out about this film only 2-3 days ago, after the official release date (24th !!)
Before you ever address to me, MIND your language and your tone! OK?And then OPEN your eyes and read : I never claimed that MJ himself practiced numerology! I don't know where you got this from! WHat I wrote afterwards wasQuote from: SimPattyKYou just did, immediately following your denial… are you f’ing kidding me? [...] Ding-ding-ding-ding!!! Numerology… that’s what’s so silly! Michael never practiced it. So you’re easily brainwashed… your problem. Don’t believe everything you read. I’d expect any MJ fan to know that by now.Quote from: CaptainEOyou never backed up your claim that MJ himself practiced numerologyWHERE DID I CLAIM THAT? QUOTE?
Based on proof presented by TS and based on my own research afterwards, I found enough evidence for me to believe that Michael used numerology for his death-hoax. I never said anything else. And I don't care if you believe this or not. But if you call TS posts as "silly", then I'd be curious to see what is so "silly".That's a totally different thing! I never said he "practiced", the term you used implies some bizarre occult practices. I said MJ used numerology to plan his death hoax. It's not the same thing. And the fact that you don't make the difference is just another proof that you never even took the effort to read what TS wrote about numerology, yet you labelled it as silly. If you still want to debunk this, be my guest, but leave out insults and ironies. I already invited you to go on the topics where TS wrote about this and also on the topics where I wrote about this! And you never did!
So you’re easily brainwashed… your problem. Don’t believe everything you read. I’d expect any MJ fan to know that by now.You were saying in another comment that a true MJ fan should remain civil. You should follow your own advice.
your level of ignorance is in most cases, unforgivable.I don't know if you proved my level of ignorance or not, but you definitely proved your level of rudeness.
Well, given that this is an open forum… I chose to speak my mind.In my opinion, "speaking one's mind" implies 2 aspects: backed up opinions and reciprocal respect.
Judging by your display of character (or lack there of)I remind you that you were the only one here who used the following words: silly, f'uking, brainwashed, ignorant...[/color] and the list of your patronizing attitudes goes on... So judge your own character before you judge others.
was no way I could have possibly avoided this “useless” discussion after making the mistake of disagreeing with anything you had to say.That's right, you just showed that there was no way to avoid this useless discussion since you cannot have a contradictory discussion without offending your interlocutor.
Hi DreamWalker,
Welcome to the forum. The "Eliza Presley" story was very interesting. Apparently, she had provided substantial DNA evidence to prove direct relation to Elvis (as a sibling), enough so that her name is now legally bound to the Elvis estate. As we all know, DNA doesn't lie. This Jesse on the other hand, well... some believe and some don't. Based on what I've read, a simple DNA test from Lisa Marie would solve the case, but who knows? Here's a link that might be of interest.
http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/
This woman claims to be a close friend of "Jesse". I am originally from Kansas City, and remember hearing about the doctor that treated him there. I too am surprised there's not more information about this case.
Hey A K H T O N I - I stare at your text there and I have no clue what it means "I'm the 13 of 07" :?thanks for asking it's simple because i was born on 13 july. :)
lol I didn't think about that!Hey A K H T O N I - I stare at your text there and I have no clue what it means "I'm the 13 of 07" :?thanks for asking it's simple because i was born on 13 july. :)
but the sad think is that i have no luck
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lol I didn't think about that!Hey A K H T O N I - I stare at your text there and I have no clue what it means "I'm the 13 of 07" :?thanks for asking it's simple because i was born on 13 july. :)
but the sad think is that i have no luck
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Depends on what you understand by having luck.
lol I didn't think about that!Hey A K H T O N I - I stare at your text there and I have no clue what it means "I'm the 13 of 07" :?thanks for asking it's simple because i was born on 13 july. :)
but the sad think is that i have no luck
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Depends on what you understand by having luck.
you know GINAFELICIA since i was born my mama and my brothers allways told me that you are the only one who do not have luck in house because of the bad things that happen just to me all times.so i always say to mama why you gave me birth on 13 JULY /pull hair/ /scream/
Innumerable eons ago in the ancient land of Egypt, the sun God Ra was born on the 13th of July; more than 2000 years ago, Julius Caesar was born on the 13th of July; 87 years ago on the 13th of July, the HOLLYWOOD sign was officially dedicated on the hills above hollywood; 69 years ago the 13th of July, a group of rebels living in montenegro—which literally means Black Mountain—a country in southeastern Europe forged the first uprising against the vapid facism of Adolph Hitler and the third Reich, Mussolini, and the rest of the Axis Powers; 37 years ago on the 13th of July, Mr. Alexander Butterfield revealed the existence of the Nixon tapes and the infamous Watergate Scandal; 25 years ago on the 13th of July, the "live aid" benefit concert took place in key cities around the world; and some time in this great expanse of passing eons... I was born on the 13th of July."
"My hope on this day (the 13th of July) is to remind this world that fairness, justice, and freedom are more than words—they are perspectives. So if you've seen nothing, if the crimes of this government remain unknown to you, then I would suggest that you allow the 13th of July to pass unmarked. "
"But if you see what I see, if you feel what I feel, and if you would seek as I seek, then I ask you to stand beside me one year from tonight in front of the Hollywood sign and together we shall give them a 13th of July that shall never, EVER be forgot!"
@ 2:28 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHCgi7Xy7p4
Didn't seem to be a big MJ fan....
Has the film presented anything convincing?
also, I can't help myself:Quote from: V for VanquishInnumerable eons ago in the ancient land of Egypt, the sun God Ra was born on the 13th of July; more than 2000 years ago, Julius Caesar was born on the 13th of July; 87 years ago on the 13th of July, the HOLLYWOOD sign was officially dedicated on the hills above hollywood; 69 years ago the 13th of July, a group of rebels living in montenegro—which literally means Black Mountain—a country in southeastern Europe forged the first uprising against the vapid facism of Adolph Hitler and the third Reich, Mussolini, and the rest of the Axis Powers; 37 years ago on the 13th of July, Mr. Alexander Butterfield revealed the existence of the Nixon tapes and the infamous Watergate Scandal; 25 years ago on the 13th of July, the "live aid" benefit concert took place in key cities around the world; and some time in this great expanse of passing eons... I was born on the 13th of July."
"My hope on this day (the 13th of July) is to remind this world that fairness, justice, and freedom are more than words—they are perspectives. So if you've seen nothing, if the crimes of this government remain unknown to you, then I would suggest that you allow the 13th of July to pass unmarked. "
"But if you see what I see, if you feel what I feel, and if you would seek as I seek, then I ask you to stand beside me one year from tonight in front of the Hollywood sign and together we shall give them a 13th of July that shall never, EVER be forgot!"
@ 2:28 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHCgi7Xy7p4
lolol/ albino/
lol I didn't think about that!Hey A K H T O N I - I stare at your text there and I have no clue what it means "I'm the 13 of 07" :?thanks for asking it's simple because i was born on 13 july. :)
but the sad think is that i have no luck
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Depends on what you understand by having luck.
you know GINAFELICIA since i was born my mama and my brothers allways told me that you are the only one who do not have luck in house because of the bad things that happen just to me all times.so i always say to mama why you gave me birth on 13 JULY /pull hair/ /scream/
OK I have to tell you this: there is no such thing as luck or bad luck, there is only God...or Allah if you want.
I watched the whole film, but it just got removed from Youtube. The "picture" looks fake but in it's defence the voice doesn't sound that young to me./pull hair/ it is removed from youtube and i just watch 1hour. but why it's removed?
Maybe too many people watched it. Someone needs to order the DVD from the website so it can be analyzed more deeply.I watched the whole film, but it just got removed from Youtube. The "picture" looks fake but in it's defence the voice doesn't sound that young to me./pull hair/ it is removed from youtube and i just watch 1hour. but why it's removed?
in linda hood sigmon web, linda said that jesse(elvis) told her that he is no more interested in what elvis was interested in like jewelery but in this movie i see his fingers full of jewelry geek/ WTF??
Thanks so much for posting! Watching right now.hi empyreal is the youtube vidéo working, me i can't watch
I am watching now
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Boqzbd8Qx9k[/youtube]
I don't know what to think...
For a beginner in Elvis-hoax, it is a very good documentary! the best so far!
But on the other hand , for someone like me, it didn't come up with anything new besides a possible theory about how he did it that day and what he did for the FBI as a secret agent.
There are things that doesn't add up or maybe they can't say more for the moment .
The guy is clearly an Elvis-voice impersonator, I doubt Elvis himself would do such a thing unless he wanted to come out. I don't know if this movie is done with Elvis approval or this movie-company just did it on their own...It's possible both ways. About 80% of everything the "Shadow-Elvis" says is taken word by word from known interviews that Elvis gave during his life. If you search on Google the words: "Elvis quotes" you would recognize them all as the "Elvis from this film" basically reads them word by word. So the "script" was pretty easy...loll
Anyway it was an interesting idea to correlate Elvis's story to social and historical movements of America till the present day. Overall it is a good film to watch! and the best way for beginners to start learning the truth about Elvis!
I find rather ignorant and disrespectful the comments about Priscilla and Michael. Lisa Marie was pretty much left out , too. The Numerology was completely ignored! - kind of odd!!
So these things ^^ made me think that the true Elvis is not really behind this doco!
The main information was taken from already known documentaries about Elvis' life or about Elvis being alive, such as this one for example: Cover Up - Elvis Presley Is Still Alive - http://www.veoh.com/watch/v19720466Ke4bnNAR
But unlike other documentaries, "Elvis Found Alive" has the merit of combining almost everything in just one.
I think that if the interview is fake, then all the police and political discussions (presented in the 2nd hour of the film) are just deductions that anyone can make based on the real info presented in the 1st hour and which was not new, at least not to me.
But we discuss here in hypothetical "IF"-s...so no one can be sure of anything.
But based on what I know and compared to what I heard in this film, I managed to form my opinion: it was not Elvis behind this film, just some very well informed people , professionals in making movies.
But hey I might be wrong, but that's what I think right now.
About the CD ... it can be a CD like any other CD made by voice impersonators. It won't be the first nor the last.
Elvis found alive again on youtube elvis_/ links: from part1 to part 10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA9JaKH2zTA&feature=player_detailpage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSma8HK7nTw&feature=player_detailpage&list=ULeSma8HK7nTw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvoiXm38ENc&feature=player_detailpage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPEcqtOL_qc&feature=player_detailpage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIIb1kAFyww&feature=player_detailpage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93kHDjS7wQg&feature=player_detailpage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR7_KZj_3fw&feature=player_detailpage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjUP2LalQgg&feature=player_detailpage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1cNJwuMByk&feature=player_detailpage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjkyuKVd6sM&feature=player_detailpage
ok, so I just read something that really shocked me on Linda's website about this documentary.Thank you for the link.
http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/current-news-events/current-news-and-events-page-14-february-2012/
(scroll all the way down to the last article)
SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 12, 2012
VERY SHOCKING NEWS…GOOD AND BAD NEWS
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=22086.msg389704#msg389704
I didn't move it.http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=22086.msg389704#msg389704thanks for moving it bearhug
can you remind me what he said about michael i saw just 1 hour caus it's silly
And I still can't get along with the way Priscilla and Michael were discussed in this movie!
About Michael, the "shadow-Elvis" said the most predictable thing , the one that everyone who has NO clue is tempted to say: that he "had his agenda" when he married Lisa Marie. When I heard that I told to myself: "yeah right if you're Elvis, then I'm mother Theresa!"
SOURCE: http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/current-news-events/current-news-and-events-page-14-february-2012/That's exactly what I noticed myself too, I talked extensively about this in my previous posts here above in this thread^^
(scroll all the way down to the last article)
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So, bottom line is this: ELVIS FOUND ALIVE really is Elvis/Jesse himself speaking in the DVD…
sometimes reading lines which the producer had created for him to read from a TelePrompTer.
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sometimes reading lines which the producer had created for him to read from a TelePrompTer.
There are 2 possible answers:And I still can't get along with the way Priscilla and Michael were discussed in this movie!you know i didn't see this because i was an i am in total shock :o
About Michael, the "shadow-Elvis" said the most predictable thing , the one that everyone who has NO clue is tempted to say: that he "had his agenda" when he married Lisa Marie. When I heard that I told to myself: "yeah right if you're Elvis, then I'm mother Theresa!"
the question is why the shadow Elvis :lol: :lol: said such things about Michael if he is really Elvis and isn't the hoax related??
In fact, I please ask the admin(s) to unite this topic here with the first one on "Elvis Found Alive" opened initially by PureLove, few months ago.
Here it is - http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=21501.75 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=21501.75)
2pac lingered in the hospital, then succumbed to his bullet wounds. He's dead, thanks to gangster fights.I don't "buy" the "official story".
Whitney Houston is definitely dead - it's a different feeling than what surrounded Michael. Tears running freely down facesI don't base my theories only on feelings.
Bobbi in the hospital because of severe anxiety attacks.[...]That's something to take into account later when more pieces of info can be put together. For now: I take it just as media information...
Elvis is dead, Tupac is dead, Michael is dead and now Whitney is dead.
R.I.P
2pac lingered in the hospital, then succumbed to his bullet wounds. He's dead, thanks to gangster fights.
Whitney Houston is definitely dead - it's a different feeling, than what surrounded Michael. Tears running freely down faces,
Bobbi in the hospital because of severe anxiety attacks. That didn't happen with Michael's kids or other family members;
they went shopping.
"And now the end is near so we face the final curtain" the contradictions gonna make me sick WTF??I had missed your post! thanks for that link!
Linda now says that the man in the movie is not elvis it's an imposter just the voice is elvis's and ...........
http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/current-news-events/current-news-and-events-page-14-february-2012-continued/
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I just happen to know something about Elvis/Jesse and his safety, that even Linda does not know. And what I have done and am doing is for his best interest and greatest safety—both in the present and future. If any are able to figure out The Source of what I’ve been presenting for more than a year now, they will know for certain that what I’m saying here is 100% true.
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There has been a lot of question and discussion lately about Linda Hood Sigmon, and whether she is a reliable informer for Elvis/Jesse. According to her: “Elvis/Jesse does not support the court case …” {http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page53}.
According to Eliza: “NEVER HAS MY BROTHER CONTACTED MYSELF VIA MAIL, PHONE OR EMAIL TO ASK, REQUEST OR ORDER ME TO DISCONTINUE AND/OR WITHDRAW FROM MY COURT CASE. NOT WHILE IT WAS FILED IN PROBATE COURT OR SINCE IT HAS BEEN FILED IN CHANCERY COURT. UNLESS OR UNTIL HE DOES, I SHALL CONTINUE TO ASSERT MY RIGHT TO DO SO.”
{http://elizapresley.blogspot.com/2010/11/december-14-2010-130pm.html}.
Which of these statements is true: the one from Linda, or the one from Eliza? Can you wrap your mind around the idea that both of these statements are true? Is it possible that Jesse has asked Linda not to support the court case, and yet he has not asked Eliza to stop it? Can you put yourself in his shoes for a moment, and understand what issues he is dealing with?
Did you know that there was a similar situation between Linda and Dr. Hinton, regarding Jesse “coming out” in 2002? Both of them were in contact with Jesse, and both of them were informers; but Linda and Dr. Hinton did not agree on this aspect of the general public learning the truth about Jesse {http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page19}.
Also, notice this recent statement on Linda’s website: “He [Jesse] has mentioned coming to see me a few times and while he knows that he would be welcome, I have not encouraged it.” {http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page53}.
The book by Dr. Hinton and Jesse, which I have already quoted from above, is titled: The Truth About Elvis Aron Presley In His Own Words! And many of the letters printed in this book, are also photocopied there in his own handwriting. So if we want the most accurate information about Jesse, this is it! This first quote which I will include from this book is about Jesse, but written by Dr. Hinton; while the other quotes, below the first one, were all written by Jesse himself (his own words).
Dr. Hinton said: “... they did not want him [Jesse] within five miles of Graceland, but he [Jesse] and one other person went up to his bedroom at Graceland late at night to get the cuff-links.” (TTAEAP 50).
Jesse: “The Graceland estate does not allow me to contact them personally, they are determined to keep the myth alive and don’t want me taking any chances. ... I can’t do a thing about it either. The Church of Scientology has something to do with it.” (TTAEAP 40,41).
Jesse: “You see I have everything taken care of except the fact that I am never given any cash whatsoever. When I do ask for cash, I am always given the third degree on what I need cash for. So you can see all the restrictions I have on me. People ... thought I was the same old Elvis handing out money ...” (TTAEAP 28; see 48).
Jesse: “I picked four (4) of us initially and to this day all have kept the secret. I also know when this book reaches the bookstores people (my loyal friends) will be heartbroken. They took care of me and convinced others that I was no longer alive.” (TTAEAP 31).
Jesse: “I have already been told through a source that Lisa Marie will cause problems if B.J.’s picture is shown.” (TTAEAP 63). And yet the picture of Jesse and Benjamin was included in Jesse’s book (on page 23).
Jesse: “I was told there was a survey that stated percentage wise that many people still thought I was alive! But as time went by I became more daring and went out [in public] with minimal disguises.” (TTAEAP 48).
Jesse: “As I get older I feel I must reveal more facts of my life as Jesse.” (TTAEAP 56).
Some may say that these statements by Jesse/Elvis were from about ten years ago, and perhaps things have changed since then. Yes, and I would also say that those who can read between the lines, think for themselves, and put themselves in Jesse’s shoes—they will probably be able to understand what has and has not changed in the last decade. Nuff said!
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Simpa, did you already listen to this?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MN1WhcGQEo&feature=related[/youtube]
Funny Elvis, at 2:30, son of a beach, shit go blind, and hard on. :icon_lol: