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Title: The "I Am Asleep" Recording: What the--?
Post by: jujubii on November 15, 2011, 11:39:19 PM
Flickers of that recording of a 'conversation' (if you can call it that) supposedly between MJ and Conrad Murray come and go from my mind nowadays ever since I heard it on TV.

All I remember from it was a very, very slurred voice that I instantly....did not recognize as Michael's.


On my end, I just kinda went  WTF?? at it because the following questions went through my mi--

You know what? It's easier if I just do this:



1) How, why, and WHO recorded that conversation? I hear Murray recorded it using his phone. Okay, let's say he did: WHY? And what for?
To slap it on the net someday and go "LUUK!! LEIK MICHAEL'S ON DRUGZ!!1"?
Or perhaps to aid in the hoax, to feed the media "MJ the Drug Junkie" and give them what they want and put the hoax in motion and make this whole death more believable?


2) That deep, scratchy voice that's supposed to be MJ. "Slurred" doesn't even BEGIN to describe it. I know drugs can seriously mess you up and leave your faculties and ability to speak pretty much dilapidated, but.... I'll just say it: I'm sorry, that is NOT a drugged-up Michael Jackson.

THIS, however, (probably) is:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6ZjncwWOlA[/youtube]

Mexico deposition, 1993.
If I recall correctly, Mike was... really out of it during that deposition, and I've heard it was from his addiction to painkillers around this time.
(And we know for a fact Michael suffered a LOT from that and has learned never, ever to touch drugs again since. Which brings me to a "He would let DRUGS kill him? Seriously?" rant I'll go on later. x.x)

THAT, is MJ on drugs.
The voice in the recording is just no comparison.
So low, so incoherent, so... not MJ.



3) Let's say it really was MJ in this present-day recording between him and Dr. Murray,
rambling on about building a children's hospital and about how his show will be so amazing he'll be the greatest entertainer in the world (but he already is <333) and then... he's 'asleep'.

No man who is messed up by drugs to THAT extent could move, dance, basically be a bolt of lightning like he did in TII -- which was, as we know, filmed about the same time as that recording was made (right?).
If you can't even speak clearly, there is no way you can have your faculties to make calculated, balanced moves that are required for dancing, singing and planning: clear mental processes, you see, are impossible for druggies of the extent that people claim MJ was.
And it's not like he could have been 'okay' to continue rehearsals within a few days of the recording if he had THAT kind of crap messing up his system that badly.


Am I the only one seeing the serious inconsistency there?



So when taking this into consideration, my next point is:



4) Could MJ and Murray have rehearsed this? (Or perhaps to MJ it was an act of his own, and Murray, if he is not in on the hoax, is just following along and providing believable "MJ was on drugs" testimony because he was there and heard this?)

The only realistic response I can give is bravo. He truly is a talented actor to mess his voice that way for the sake of making this hoax believable.






I haven't yet heard the beLIEvers' opinions on it, so speak up for a silly newbie, okay?  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: The "I Am Asleep" Recording: What the--?
Post by: monstertooty on November 16, 2011, 12:00:28 AM
Simply put....the recording IS Michael!  He is changing his voice to play a part.  It really is that simple.
Title: Re: The "I Am Asleep" Recording: What the--?
Post by: jujubii on November 16, 2011, 12:10:43 AM
Simply put....the recording IS Michael!  He is changing his voice to play a part.  It really is that simple.

You know what? I think so too.
That would absolutely blow me away.


Michael DOES have skills an actor.
You should've seen the OMGWTFBBQ!!1  fit I had when, many moons ago, I found out that Michael was the very UN-Michael-like Mayor in "Ghosts".  :lol:


"THAT chunky old white dude is Michael?!! GETOUTTAHERE D:"
Title: Re: The "I Am Asleep" Recording: What the--?
Post by: monstertooty on November 16, 2011, 12:23:05 AM
 It is what it is.  I myself could change my voice the way Michael did as could most singers.  Forget acting for a second.  The man is a VOCALIST by trade......smellin what im cookin?
Title: Re: The "I Am Asleep" Recording: What the--?
Post by: Aidan_81 on November 16, 2011, 01:08:09 AM
In documentary Murray said this was Mike under Propofol recorded, am I correct?
In interview before documentary probably. It was first time I heard Murray saying it.
Well, not the he had a chance to say it before.
That "junkie speech" however is so complete and makes perfect sense. Read it, wow.
Murray says it was "accidentally recorded"  :roll:
It can be staged. Too complete you know. Very good item to show real caring Michael too.

OMG Mexico Michael sounds so much like Dave Dave on Larry King  :lol:
And wow, he sure remembers lots of stuff on painkillers! I don't remember
that many things when completely sober :mrgreen:
He doesn't look "too high!" to me at all. A bit slowed down maybe. He's so charming
even if on pills  :oops:
Title: Re: The "I Am Asleep" Recording: What the--?
Post by: foreverking2 on November 16, 2011, 02:43:12 AM
I think MJ had some dental work done in Mexico City so he was taking some pain meds for the abcessed tooth he had drained and pulled. The lawyers insisted he give that deposition but he had to take something for the pain. If anyone has ever had an abcessed tooth, ( I have), you know it's very painful even after the tooth is removed.
Of couse it becomes proof he was an addict, but it was something very common
Title: Re: The "I Am Asleep" Recording: What the--?
Post by: curls on November 16, 2011, 03:07:07 AM
Just a quick comment about the Mexico deposition vid - yes, MJ had just had oral surgery (been there, done that myself), as is explained in the conversation, and would almost certainly be taking painkillers at this time (had my fair share of that too) but that doesn't make him a druggie or drugged-up. Any slurred speech you hear is down to his painful mouth - his mind, for the most part, is sharp and focused. BTW, I love listening to him describing how he composes songs, so thanks, jujubii,  for posting the link and giving me an excuse to listen and watch again!
Title: Re: The "I Am Asleep" Recording: What the--?
Post by: GINAFELICIA on November 16, 2011, 03:30:14 AM
It is what it is.  I myself could change my voice the way Michael did as could most singers.  Forget acting for a second.  The man is a VOCALIST by trade......smellin what im cookin?

I agree. It is amazing how he can change his voice.
Yesterday I was watching Ghosts again and I do not know who is the mayor's voice. Is it Michael's voice? I do not know.
Title: Re: The "I Am Asleep" Recording: What the--?
Post by: GINAFELICIA on November 16, 2011, 04:51:21 AM
The mayor's voice is Michael's voice, isn't it? I am not sure.
Anybody knows?
Title: Re: The "I Am Asleep" Recording: What the--?
Post by: jujubii on November 16, 2011, 09:42:41 AM
The mayor's voice is Michael's voice, isn't it? I am not sure.
Anybody knows?



Yes, Gina! That is not only Michael's body under that costume, it is indeed his voice.
Listen very carefully - you can hear his 'accent'.  ;))
Title: Re: The "I Am Asleep" Recording: What the--?
Post by: GINAFELICIA on November 16, 2011, 10:01:29 AM
The mayor's voice is Michael's voice, isn't it? I am not sure.
Anybody knows?
Yes, Gina! That is not only Michael's body under that costume, it is indeed his voice.
Listen very carefully - you can hear his 'accent'.  ;))
Ok so that's proof that he can change his voice up to the point that few people would suspect it is him speaking.
Title: Re: The "I Am Asleep" Recording: What the--?
Post by: eternalflame on November 16, 2011, 10:46:41 AM
I also Wonder for what purpose it was recorded. So, Murray saß it was accidentally. Die you Everest Record anything accidentally? I did. And the Recording startes just somewhere in the Middle of a sentence, After a while:" oops recording is on" and it suddenly stops again..            Murrays tape is to straight and clean. Sounds like being started intentionally and stored at a strategic Place to get a good Recording.                                                                                                                                                           
I am working in a Medical Job, the patients I heard talking while falling asleep under narcotic Treatment , they never talked that much, in complete grammatically correct sentences.
Title: Re: The "I Am Asleep" Recording: What the--?
Post by: suspicious mind on November 16, 2011, 11:06:58 AM
off topic: at 7:21 he says that he is the source     ;)
Title: Re: The "I Am Asleep" Recording: What the--?
Post by: beLIEving101 on November 16, 2011, 11:09:48 AM
It was staged, when MJ starts by saying "Elvis didn't do it, Beatles didn't do it, we have to be phenomenal" I believe PearlJr mentioned it too but Im guessing it refers to Elvis and McCartney not coming back from a faked death. And furthered my belief that the comeback is still a major part of his plans, no doubt. Maybe it was purposed for a hidden message or who knows. But its def. MJ, not a fake
Title: Re: The "I Am Asleep" Recording: What the--?
Post by: eternalflame on November 16, 2011, 11:14:08 AM
BTW sorry for wrong typing but s@@@ happens when you type on an iPhone bangbang
Title: Re: The "I Am Asleep" Recording: What the--?
Post by: ~Souza~ on November 16, 2011, 06:10:46 PM
I have bee rewatching that Mexico deposition this morning (well, half of it so far) and he doesn't seem out of it at all to me. I think it was said he had dental surgery right before this deposition, which definitely would explain him speaking differently. I don't know what was done at the surgery, but I had trouble speaking normal for a few days after having my wisdom teeth removed last year. That plus the pain medication probably would have made me appear exactly like he did on those tapes. I wasn't out of it last year, just in pain, so who says he's out of it? He seems pretty sharp to me. He can't remember certain things but we must not forget that he signed millions of papers in his life and recorded and wrote hundreds of songs. I have seen people 'out of it' and they act much different that he in that deposition.
Title: Re: The "I Am Asleep" Recording: What the--?
Post by: marumjj on November 16, 2011, 08:36:13 PM
On this recording, and assuming that Mike was under the efectod of any medication, the much talked about, I think that Murray acted in bad faith, with intent to burn to Mike in that state? that was covered? beforehand or knew something was gonna happen? not in court no question his attitude. All these events lead me to think that everything is a fraud, the trial witnesses, the judge, who seemed to be in a reunion of friends making jokes, and most importantly the name of my King Michael Joe Jackson. JOE We all know it. blessings  moonwalk_/
Title: Re: The "I Am Asleep" Recording: What the--?
Post by: jujubii on November 16, 2011, 08:51:15 PM
I have bee rewatching that Mexico deposition this morning (well, half of it so far) and he doesn't seem out of it at all to me. I think it was said he had dental surgery right before this deposition, which definitely would explain him speaking differently. I don't know what was done at the surgery, but I had trouble speaking normal for a few days after having my wisdom teeth removed last year. That plus the pain medication probably would have made me appear exactly like he did on those tapes. I wasn't out of it last year, just in pain, so who says he's out of it? He seems pretty sharp to me. He can't remember certain things but we must not forget that he signed millions of papers in his life and recorded and wrote hundreds of songs. I have seen people 'out of it' and they act much different that he in that deposition.




After reading your and others' replies, I really feel I need to apologize for saying Michael was out of it/sounded like he was on drugs in this Mexico deposition.
I saw this footage before and had NO idea about the dental surgery at all. Bless him, of course he'd have trouble speaking. Especially if, as with a lot of dental work, he had to be on some sort of painkiller to ease the...well, pain!



My apologies for giving the wrong idea. :x!
It's so much more relaxing to know that Michael wasn't seriously drugged up in this deposition-- and, reading your replies again, UBER relaxing to know that Michael wasn't drugged up in this recording either with Murray (GOD I hope you guys are right that he's acting!).


I still can't hear Michael in that recording (recent one).
At all.
It's just... weird and hurts to listen to. ._. (even if my heart says it's not him)
Title: Re: The "I Am Asleep" Recording: What the--?
Post by: Jennie on November 16, 2011, 10:10:18 PM
On this recording, and assuming that Mike was under the efectod of any medication, the much talked about, I think that Murray acted in bad faith, with intent to burn to Mike in that state? that was covered? beforehand or knew something was gonna happen? not in court no question his attitude. All these events lead me to think that everything is a fraud, the trial witnesses, the judge, who seemed to be in a reunion of friends making jokes, and most importantly the name of my King Michael Joe Jackson. JOE We all know it. blessings  moonwalk_/

IMO the judge looked phony and he looked like he was hosting an event. There was just too much of that fake ridiculous smile on his face, even when he opened his mouth to speek he was all smiles. Weird!! Judge Belvin(Anthony trial) sure wasn't smiling like that.
Title: Re: The "I Am Asleep" Recording: What the--?
Post by: suspicious mind on November 16, 2011, 10:24:05 PM
I have bee rewatching that Mexico deposition this morning (well, half of it so far) and he doesn't seem out of it at all to me. I think it was said he had dental surgery right before this deposition, which definitely would explain him speaking differently. I don't know what was done at the surgery, but I had trouble speaking normal for a few days after having my wisdom teeth removed last year. That plus the pain medication probably would have made me appear exactly like he did on those tapes. I wasn't out of it last year, just in pain, so who says he's out of it? He seems pretty sharp to me. He can't remember certain things but we must not forget that he signed millions of papers in his life and recorded and wrote hundreds of songs. I have seen people 'out of it' and they act much different that he in that deposition.
he might be a little affected by the medication , but he is still sharp. funny i remember the guy ask him about one song and he says he can't remember and then the guy goes on asking about others and you can kind of see the gears turning and he comes back and verifies that he wrote the other one that he was asked about. he also seems to have an actual sore place in the corner of his mouth or is perhaps holding something in his mouth.
Title: Re: The "I Am Asleep" Recording: What the--?
Post by: ~Souza~ on November 16, 2011, 10:51:18 PM
I have bee rewatching that Mexico deposition this morning (well, half of it so far) and he doesn't seem out of it at all to me. I think it was said he had dental surgery right before this deposition, which definitely would explain him speaking differently. I don't know what was done at the surgery, but I had trouble speaking normal for a few days after having my wisdom teeth removed last year. That plus the pain medication probably would have made me appear exactly like he did on those tapes. I wasn't out of it last year, just in pain, so who says he's out of it? He seems pretty sharp to me. He can't remember certain things but we must not forget that he signed millions of papers in his life and recorded and wrote hundreds of songs. I have seen people 'out of it' and they act much different that he in that deposition.
he might be a little affected by the medication , but he is still sharp. funny i remember the guy ask him about one song and he says he can't remember and then the guy goes on asking about others and you can kind of see the gears turning and he comes back and verifies that he wrote the other one that he was asked about. he also seems to have an actual sore place in the corner of his mouth or is perhaps holding something in his mouth.

There is also a part (can't remember where exactly) where the guy questioning him asks about a certain song being recorded. The guy meant released, which was obvious when you looked at the context of the question, and was either ignorant to the difference or trying to trick him, yet Michael noticed that immediately and said that the two were not the same. That shows he was sharp as a knife there.
Title: Re: The "I Am Asleep" Recording: What the--?
Post by: jujubii on November 16, 2011, 11:29:54 PM
I have bee rewatching that Mexico deposition this morning (well, half of it so far) and he doesn't seem out of it at all to me. I think it was said he had dental surgery right before this deposition, which definitely would explain him speaking differently. I don't know what was done at the surgery, but I had trouble speaking normal for a few days after having my wisdom teeth removed last year. That plus the pain medication probably would have made me appear exactly like he did on those tapes. I wasn't out of it last year, just in pain, so who says he's out of it? He seems pretty sharp to me. He can't remember certain things but we must not forget that he signed millions of papers in his life and recorded and wrote hundreds of songs. I have seen people 'out of it' and they act much different that he in that deposition.
he might be a little affected by the medication , but he is still sharp. funny i remember the guy ask him about one song and he says he can't remember and then the guy goes on asking about others and you can kind of see the gears turning and he comes back and verifies that he wrote the other one that he was asked about. he also seems to have an actual sore place in the corner of his mouth or is perhaps holding something in his mouth.

There is also a part (can't remember where exactly) where the guy questioning him asks about a certain song being recorded. The guy meant released, which was obvious when you looked at the context of the question, and was either ignorant to the difference or trying to trick him, yet Michael noticed that immediately and said that the two were not the same. That shows he was sharp as a knife there.



Souza- you are absolutely right!
Excuse me while I go find the person who told me that Michael was drugged up out of his gourd in this deposition. :\
Title: Re: The "I Am Asleep" Recording: What the--?
Post by: MJonmind on November 17, 2011, 03:44:25 AM
off topic: at 7:21 he says that he is the source     ;)
Yes, I saw that too.  Dots to connect.


Who would own these tapes to put them on the internet, cause if MJ didn't want them there, they would be made to remove them. Must be a purpose.


I love how he is sweet to apologize to the recorder for his clearing his throat. :D
Title: Re: The "I Am Asleep" Recording: What the--?
Post by: Tink on January 12, 2012, 03:51:36 AM
For pain, there is a pain chart from 1 - 10, starting with a smile, and ending with a frown. 1-3, if the pain starts to be uncomfortable, usually over the counter like Tylenol will do. Mid range, 4 - 6, you need to take something like Vicodin and interrupt the pain signal, or it can completely derail and go out of bounds. Once pain hits a 7, we're entering severe pain, where things such as Dilaudid can keep it from reaching a 10. Once it reaches a 10, rarely anything can do any good at all.

Ergo, the important thing is to manage pain, and to level out the rollercoaster of pain, each and every day. I've been a chronic pain patient for years, and know this all too well. It's a nightmare. But when my pain is managed, I do not appear HIGH to anyone around me, because the painkiller is doing its job correctly: taking the edge off enough, so I can function normally. When I wake up without pain, I start with pain management at the lowest dose - because to not take anything, can create a sudden issue later on in the day.

I see this in Michael, in that he just seems to be fairly normal.

Title: Re: The "I Am Asleep" Recording: What the--?
Post by: 2good2btrue on January 12, 2012, 05:55:13 AM

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2qLUv2sRQ4&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWNmF1iSDjg&feature=g-upl&context=G267229cAUAAAAAAAGAA[/youtube]
Title: Re: The "I Am Asleep" Recording: What the--?
Post by: applehead250609 on January 12, 2012, 07:41:05 AM
off topic: at 7:21 he says that he is the source     ;)
Yes, I saw that too.  Dots to connect.


Who would own these tapes to put them on the internet, cause if MJ didn't want them there, they would be made to remove them. Must be a purpose.


I love how he is sweet to apologize to the recorder for his clearing his throat. :D

Yep,yep Mjonmind you are right,must be a purpose why all this RECORDING and TAPES are on internet  8-) .It is something "not right" with Mexico Deposition  /cook/ ,and it looks like it was made BY DESIGN  geek/ .

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5Yg87L1ko&feature=related[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iMdlmoCcJs&feature=related[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3u_HyCis4Y&feature=related[/youtube]

Are all this men one and the same  albino/ ???? Well I doubt it ,but who am I to say they are not,lol  :lol:  !!!!

Title: Re: The "I Am Asleep" Recording: What the--?
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on January 12, 2012, 10:33:02 AM

Am I the only one seeing the serious inconsistency there?

Hi jujubii :) You’re surely not the only one who noticed the serious inconsistency. I’m not 100% sure that it’s Michael’s voice because I believe that audio techniques can create a nearly similar voice too. But I think it’s MJ’s and I was thinking that on that particular day Michael could have had sedation due to a dental procedure and although he was still a bit sleepy he was clear headed enough to tell Murray about his thoughts and plans.
Murray started as MJ’s physician in May 09, in the same month of the recording. Why did he tape MJ’s voice?
1.   Murray is not in the hoax and is part of a conspiracy to kill MJ and the tape with Michael’s ‘drugged’ voice is Murray’s insurance to get plead free of murder.
2.   OR Murray is hoax-involved and the tape is used for the trial “to make it real” and for media sensation (actually to fool the media and to pay them a lesson when the time is ripe bounce/).

Obviously in hoax perspective it will be no 2. Plus MJ’s clear message on the tape has been spread worldwide on the news, which was the intention. It’s a genius action to use the media ;D. 

L.O.V.E.
Title: Re: The "I Am Asleep" Recording: What the--?
Post by: Tink on January 12, 2012, 01:16:19 PM
When I first head it, I felt it was Murray pretending to be Michael.

The only way I could even quantify it as Michael, is that it sounds as if someone put the phone on someone's chest, with their head up at an extreme angle, like on a couch.

For me, I'd like it to be run through voice recognition software, to tell me if it matches up to Michael or not.
Title: Re: The "I Am Asleep" Recording: What the--?
Post by: suesuzzfaithkeeper on January 12, 2012, 07:56:29 PM
off topic: at 7:21 he says that he is the source     ;)
yup and at .31 actor ;)
i watched the whole videos i thought in one of them after clearing his throat saying sorry had a concert or did my last concert last night too???.and if he had oral surgery b4 that deposition i would have taken a pain pill too and have lol..not fun..also what souza said about mj making it clear about those 2 different subjects!. prob from concert and oral and dealing with that long azz deposition i would be tired to lol the repeating questions from that lawyer..it just seem to me he was just trying to make sure things were clear..and heck i couldnt tell you what i did yesterday not talking years ago and all the ppl he met and worked with and papers his sign and what year this song was wrote and what year it came out..been in a deposition they don't make you feel the most comfy lol..i wouldn't have been so kind as mj was during all this..but that's mj not me lol..he is just to cute either way and always so kind..
huggs n love n faith to all bearhug
suzz
Title: Re: The "I Am Asleep" Recording: What the--?
Post by: looking4truth on January 12, 2012, 09:19:19 PM
I will say just this: I never heard a drugged out person make so much sense in my life. Maybe Michael is the exception. He usually is. ;)
Title: Re: The "I Am Asleep" Recording: What the--?
Post by: Tink on January 13, 2012, 03:36:11 AM
Falling asleep and groggy isn't the same as being on drugs. If you've ever met someone on pain management with vicodin or something, most likely you won't notice them acting any different.
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