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Hoax Investigation => Hoax Pictures => Topic started by: MJsFan4Ever on December 24, 2009, 09:22:21 AM

Title: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: MJsFan4Ever on December 24, 2009, 09:22:21 AM
Hi this is my first topic here...I found a picture on TMJP it's from a girl who met Michael in one of his trips to the doctor I think and he signed this on the picture:

(http://i45.tinypic.com/2s9obhs.png)

It says:
All my love <3
Michael Jackson
and then an arrow and three circles on top and several numbers underneath and 2012
than on the other side it says 2009


What do you guys think?

all rights go to the owner of this picture I'm just sharing it because it has interesting things
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: Lady J on December 24, 2009, 09:30:34 AM
Wow!!! Amazing!!  :o
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: Iused2dream on December 24, 2009, 09:42:11 AM
I've seen this pic before but I don't understand b/c isn't this a photo taken during TII rehearsals so where exactly did this person get this picture because wasn't it released after 6/25??  Just not sure this is real.  If it is, sure do wonder what it says on the bottom left side??
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: Eva R on December 24, 2009, 09:53:57 AM
hmm... didn't the girl asked what that meant? :P
Maybe he meant the hoax or maybe the 2012 end of the world.
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: MJresearch on December 24, 2009, 10:39:01 AM
I hope this dosn't mean, that he'll come back 2012 ...  :cry:  :?
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: nevada on December 24, 2009, 10:41:48 AM
I think this pictures is not true but I think he's alive :P
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: MJsFan4Ever on December 24, 2009, 11:12:15 AM
oh this IS a REAL autographed picture there are other pictures that show MJ autographing it I will post them here:

(http://i45.tinypic.com/1ou5x2.jpg)
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: iMISSYOUMJ on December 24, 2009, 12:55:45 PM
Hmm how about this..   :? (http://i45.tinypic.com/f41d3l.png)
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: Iused2dream on December 24, 2009, 01:41:41 PM
where is everyone finding these pics?  anyone knwo the original source of this  supposed pic/autograph??
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: MJsFan4Ever on December 24, 2009, 03:25:01 PM
TMJP it is a Michael Jackson site the girl who has the picture is selling it The one with the red marker offered it first but she decided not to share it with anyone so the owner of that site found this other person who decided to sell 10 copies of the original picture
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: mjgirl86 on December 24, 2009, 03:44:08 PM
That first autograph pic is super interesting!  :o  :o  :P  :P
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: badloving on December 24, 2009, 04:00:02 PM
that's an interesting autograph....good find!!!
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: Nakiska on December 24, 2009, 04:08:31 PM
But how? When? Who? What? :o  :o  :o  :o
Lol
How can this be possible? That picture was never revealed until Michael`s death! Right? Isnt that a pic from portions of the film?
And WTH does those simbols mean???? It is real because we can see Michael holding that pic in the car!
But how??? :o
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: badloving on December 24, 2009, 04:32:41 PM
Quote from: "Nakiska"
But how? When? Who? What? :o  :o  :o  :o
Lol
How can this be possible? That picture was never revealed until Michael`s death! Right? Isnt that a pic from portions of the film?
And WTH does those simbols mean???? It is real because we can see Michael holding that pic in the car!
But how??? :o

the picture was released during the rehearsals
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: angelshadow on December 24, 2009, 04:41:08 PM
I'm always skeptical over the authenticity......
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: MJJ1982 on December 24, 2009, 04:47:31 PM
Quote from: "angelshadow"
I'm always skeptical over the authenticity......

Me too, i'm not convinced that Michael really signed them.
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: thenutcrackersuite on December 24, 2009, 09:09:00 PM
hey MJsFan4Ever, where did you find the pic of Michael signing it in the car???
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: MJsFan4Ever on December 25, 2009, 02:54:06 AM
on TMJP :D
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: KacyLovesMJ on December 25, 2009, 04:32:18 AM
Guys, I hate to bust bubbles here but that picture is fake. As far as the one of him "holding it in the car", that's easily done in photoshop. All the person would have to do is cut that tiny piece of the autographed picture, scale it down and place it in an appropriate spot. Photoshop can be used for many great things but then we have the downside/negative things like this that it can be used for.

But since I know it's a fake, this makes me happy to know that we may not have to wait til 2012 for him to return. lol

And the reason I say I know it's a fake is because the picture she has of him "holding the autographed picture", I have seen before and that picture is not there. If I find it again, I'll post it here so you can see.
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: badloving on December 25, 2009, 05:09:05 AM
Quote from: "KacyLovesMJ"
Guys, I hate to bust bubbles here but that picture is fake. As far as the one of him "holding it in the car", that's easily done in photoshop. All the person would have to do is cut that tiny piece of the autographed picture, scale it down and place it in an appropriate spot. Photoshop can be used for many great things but then we have the downside/negative things like this that it can be used for.

But since I know it's a fake, this makes me happy to know that we may not have to wait til 2012 for him to return. lol

And the reason I say I know it's a fake is because the picture she has of him "holding the autographed picture", I have seen before and that picture is not there. If I find it again, I'll post it here so you can see.


ok so he didn't have it the car...but can we prove it was not written by him??/
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: KacyLovesMJ on December 25, 2009, 05:17:05 AM
Prove he didn't sign it? Not really. Not unless the photo wasn't out there for just anyone to have at that time. But that could be another photoshop job. They can take his signature off of another document, change the color of it, put it on the picture, and then do their best to match it with any font or with a pen pad themselves to write the rest of it. It seems like a lot of work but if someone is going to the extent of trying to make it look like he was holding it in the car, they would go to that extent too. We have to be careful of people that are just trying to play with everyone and if she's trying to sell the picture, then she's obviously trying to do something that people will believe to make a buck. If it was me and it was real, there would be no way I would part with it for any amount of money.

And just for the record, I do believe Michael is alive but I do not believe this picture is real. Nor the other one in the red marker.
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: forevermine_mj on December 25, 2009, 05:30:20 AM
THE 1011 THING TO ME looks like jon j
 JOHN J SMITH!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: andrea_garay2005 on December 25, 2009, 06:34:55 AM
Quote from: "forevermine_mj"
THE 1011 THING TO ME looks like jon j
JOHN J SMITH!!!!!!!


where did you get 1011 from? I can't see it.
But I was wondering what no is on the first picture undearneath the 000. I see 00811...and then pointing to 2012. :?:
The second picture point at July 2011, right?
What you guys think this means?
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: MJsFan4Ever on December 25, 2009, 10:25:23 AM
guys but don't take this too seriously the person that has this picture has no clue that Michael could be alive...she is  an honest person She has no reason to lie about it But I understand yall :D
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: XspeechlessX on December 26, 2009, 04:50:23 PM
Quote from: "Nakiska"
But how? When? Who? What? :o  :o  :o  :o
Lol
How can this be possible? That picture was never revealed until Michael`s death! Right? Isnt that a pic from portions of the film?
And WTH does those simbols mean???? It is real because we can see Michael holding that pic in the car!
But how??? :o

Nah that was released before his death.... i remember seeing it.... but thats why i dont get how its from TII.... I thought it was from a couple of years ago or something.... :?
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: ralu_michael on December 27, 2009, 08:26:24 AM
How do you know it's fake?
Sorry guys but to me these are some real clues, much better than anything here on site.
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: GwenMadlyn on January 01, 2010, 11:44:42 AM
This reminds me of some pictures I saw!

Many people received autographs from Mike in the 80s signed with the year 1998. When asked about it, Mike only replied, "That is the year I will die." Now maybe he was going to fake his death then?

Then there was ANOTHER mystery autograph like this. I assume it was signed in 2009 because it was a photo of "Mike" and Kenny Ortega behind the camera on the set of This is It. It said "I love you, Michael Jackson. See you in July --> 2011."

?!?!?!?!??!??!?!?!??!

Here is a video of a 22 part series from a YouTuber named Piano Games. The series is being updated weekly so go subscribe! He brings up some really great points!
Ignore the beginning part with the pills, I'm not even sure what it's supposed to mean.
[youtube:1irfdxpd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9uZxWu1slE[/youtube:1irfdxpd]
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: Grenat on January 02, 2010, 08:23:27 PM
I don't know if it's fake or not but don't you think strange that 2009 is under Kenny and 2012 is just under Michael ?
I am maybe grasping at straws but maybe it's a message .
Like in 2009 kenny is ruling but in 2012 it'll be michael kind of thing  :D
I know that's stupid forget it  :D
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: michaelsupporter on January 02, 2010, 08:52:43 PM
Are there any math wizards out there!!?!?!? The reason I ask is because I am stupefied by MJ's signature with the three dots with the arrow. I vaguely recall something like this being used in algebraic or trigonometric equations. Could it mean to infinity and beyond???? I just don't recall but was hoping someone could decipher this clue because I really believe it means something and not remembering is driving me nuts!!!
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: lovetohope on January 03, 2010, 02:16:11 PM
Ignore the beginning part with the pills, I'm not even sure what it's supposed to mean.
[youtube:1rghw7v3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9uZxWu1slE[/youtube:1rghw7v3][/quote]

its from the film matrix. you take one pill and you wake up and see the truth the other pill will keep you from seeing the truth
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: ILoveMichael on January 03, 2010, 04:02:03 PM
But what confuses me even more is why there's written "Do not steal" and why is it covering Michael's autograph as it was added later... :?:
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: adventureland on January 03, 2010, 05:05:44 PM
I saw this autograph weeks ago in a hoax-video (without the comment "dont steal"). There was also seen a Cheque for Dave Dave signed by MJ. Do you remember this video?
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: Grenat on January 03, 2010, 10:37:03 PM
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But what confuses me even more is why there's written "Do not steal" and why is it covering Michael's autograph as it was added later...

Isn't that because the fan possessing this autograph fear that someone print it and try to sell it somewhere ?
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: Kirsche on January 04, 2010, 05:06:39 PM
Quote from: "Iused2dream"
I've seen this pic before but I don't understand b/c isn't this a photo taken during TII rehearsals so where exactly did this person get this picture because wasn't it released after 6/25??  Just not sure this is real.  If it is, sure do wonder what it says on the bottom left side??



2012- the year of his return?  hm Don't know

Where is this pic from?
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: Grenat on January 05, 2010, 11:56:37 AM
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2012- the year of his return? hm Don't know

Where is this pic from?

Doesn't it come from another forum where the owner posted it ?
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: kdkennedy74 on January 05, 2010, 12:07:25 PM
I had seen the one with the red writing previously but this is the first time I have seen the other.  It makes me wonder though, why the futuristic years are written.  I remember when he used to sign ...1998 and someone asked him about it and he said that was when he would die, so does this mean this is when he will return?
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: Grenat on January 05, 2010, 08:18:46 PM
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I had seen the one with the red writing previously but this is the first time I have seen the other. It makes me wonder though, why the futuristic years are written. I remember when he used to sign ...1998 and someone asked him about it and he said that was when he would die, so does this mean this is when he will return?

Well about 1998 he was wrong of 11 years tough  :D
I searched for why always 1998 and there were two version
version 1 ; one fortuneteller told him to always sign his autograph with 1998 on it , if not he wouldn't pass this year
version 2 : Michael wanted to have a family(children) at 40 , 1998 was his 40th birthday...
Well maybe 1998 doesn't mean something serious but maybe he used the same tactic this time to leave us a clue
He knew we would recognize the similiraties between his autograph with 1998 and his autograph with 2011/2012 so he did it that way to leave us clue
I don't know , just theories of mine  :D
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: Jennie on January 05, 2010, 08:52:20 PM
[color=#BF001998 is the year his son was born isnt it? I'm pretty sure cause my 1st daughter is only a few months younger than Prince and her bd is in september 98.00][/color]
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: Grenat on January 05, 2010, 10:48:57 PM
That's the year Paris was born actually
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: ralu_michael on January 09, 2010, 09:54:43 AM
I GOT it... and I'm 100% it's like this if Michael was ever serious in everything that he has done till now... It's like this: the first autograph means he will die in 2012 because it's the end of the world ( because the old sign is there, the arrow and 3 circles), 2009 means the year he disappears, now the second autograph is simple, he's gonna come back in 2011 before the end of the world is gonna come. I tend to think the arrow and 3 circles under means the end of the world, not his death.
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: Hennessy on January 10, 2010, 04:18:35 AM
I was bored during the meeting at work and played with that 1998 signature thing  :D

Anyways how about this: 1998 (press arrow on the calculator) and we down to 3 digits (consistent with arrow down and 3 zeros on the signature)we get  198 to be exact, then we divide it by 4 and get 50.........
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: daemontrances on January 11, 2010, 05:19:17 PM
No. If you look at the MJHD Back-up forum under hoax death theories, (idk even if the back-up still exists), someone posted something about this form of signature and the number 7. It was pretty interesting. Here's the link. The original post was on MJHD, and it got lost with the switch of the website... (:-( But this post has some things in it from the original post. Very intriguing theory... don't you think? Anyways, HERE'S THE LINK: http://mjkit.forumotion.net/the-numbers-theory-for-all-theories-regarding-the-numbers-theory-f58/from-mjhd-excellent-the-9-9-09-prediction-did-come-true-this-is-it-settles-the-question-is-mj-alive-t1766.htm There you go!

Quote from: "ralu_michael"
I GOT it... and I'm 100% it's like this if Michael was ever serious in everything that he has done till now... It's like this: the first autograph means he will die in 2012 because it's the end of the world ( because the old sign is there, the arrow and 3 circles), 2009 means the year he disappears, now the second autograph is simple, he's gonna come back in 2011 before the end of the world is gonna come. I tend to think the arrow and 3 circles under means the end of the world, not his death.
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: clarahowhope on January 16, 2010, 12:52:58 PM
2012, the movies was in the cinema nearly at the same times of TII !
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Post by: Amber on January 16, 2010, 05:18:00 PM
These circles and pointing arrow and also the "numbers" are also on 1 of his drawings in his book moonwalker you guys should check your books... this is weird i must say.... :shock:
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: the arabian nights on January 16, 2010, 05:52:12 PM
I dont think mike will come back until his contractual responsibilities have finished,

but i dont know why he would leave clues - i dont see the point
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: Grenat on January 16, 2010, 07:00:17 PM
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but i dont know why he would leave clues - i dont see the point

But if he don't we wouldn't know if he is alive or not.
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: the arabian nights on January 17, 2010, 11:17:23 AM
but we dont know for sure.

why would he be bothered, and risk being discovered, i think they must be accidents
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: MashMike on January 21, 2010, 09:13:29 AM
because he loves his fans too much,he cannot just disappear and leave us grieving,mourning his :death"
Title: Re: Autographed picture (CHECK IT OUT)
Post by: appleheadiloveyou94 on February 17, 2010, 12:11:09 PM
(http://images.china.cn/images1/200704/389381.jpg)
(http://media.cnbc.com/i/CNBC/Sections/News_And_Analysis/_News/_SLIDESHOWS/Michael_Jackson_SECOND/mj_auction2_mickey.jpg)

and i found this on http://www.michaeljackson.com/th/node/636045 (http://www.michaeljackson.com/th/node/636045) ...

"I have read threads where people were asking why Michael used 1998 with the arrow and numbers...Found the following on it.....

In the year 1988, Michael started signing autographs with the year 1998. Many people thought he had made a mistake or that he was prophesying his death. Neither are true. The symbol and year hold spiritual significance for Michael. Within ten years he believed that his life and career would come full circle. He would have accomplished all that he desired by then.

There are three circles to represent the complete Godhead-Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The number three represents completion and wholeness. The number 3 represents unity of one's past, present and future-the circle of life. The number ten represents completion and wholeness but on a higher spiritual level. The arrow is an indication of direction and moving forward.
Michael also had a desire to be married and have a family by 1998. Prophetically, by 1998, two of his children were born and he was married twice. He was also embarking upon his first solo tour which started in 1987 but continued until 1989."

So, unfortunatly nothing unusual about those numbers guys..
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