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Title: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: PureLove on October 12, 2011, 05:16:21 PM
Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?

It was a stunning day in a courtroom in Los Angeles as jurors in the manslaughter trial of Michael Jackson's doctor were shown a coroner's photo of the pop superstar, dead, lying nude on a table. This raises the question -- was it necessary to show it?

(The photo is at the bottom of this story. It is graphic, so you can decide for yourself whether you want to see it.)

The photo shows a rail-thin, 136 pound Jackson with gauze covering several puncture wounds on his arms, his chest bruised and caved-in from broken ribs in the desperate attempt to save his life.

Prosecutors admitted the photo into evidence while questioning the coroner's decision to rule the death a homicide, the New York Daily News reports.

Dr. Christopher Rogers said he came to that conclusion because Dr. Conrad Murray admitted to police that he gave Jackson propofol and other sedatives to help Jackson sleep.

Murray contends that he gave Jackson just a single dose of propofol, but then when he left the room for just two minutes Jackson gave himself the dose that killed him.

Rogers said during testimony that he doubts this story. He said Jackson would not have had time to wake up, shake off the grogginess from the first dose, give himself more, and then have the drug travel to his brain which caused the overdose.

Murray has pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter.

The photo was certainly dramatic evidence, but why show it? Jurors already know Jackson is dead; did they really need to see the photo to prove that?

Showing the photo in open court also means the entire world will see it. Do we all need to see it?


(http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2011/10/12/alg_jackson_autopsy.jpg)

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Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: PureLove on October 12, 2011, 05:19:43 PM
To me, displaying the autopsy pic is another proof that Michael is alive. It would totally be inappropriate if he was dead for real and the family wouldn't allow this to happen.
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: _Anna_ on October 12, 2011, 05:22:27 PM
Is it legally allowed to show it to the public on TV for the world to see it? Is there a law that prevents such photos to be shown to the world and not only to the judge and jury?
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: g32 on October 12, 2011, 07:04:14 PM



 some people say its a real picture but its not michael, its micheal instead... who theyr talking about? well it looks like michael to me, but yeah; why show it? it doesnt represent a prove of anything..
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on October 12, 2011, 07:19:59 PM
Do you know how many impersonators looked like Michael? It could have been anyone of those impersonators who was very ill and Michael took this opportunity to fleet.. I agree with Purelove this is not Michael.
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: hagitg on October 12, 2011, 07:46:10 PM
try looking for other autopsy pictures online, there are only some bloody ones who looks totaly fake and some of aliens or something like that, to show us that it's not highly trivial.

we don't know if it is michael is the photo or not, but we do know it's super bizarre they even showed it, just like the first "dead michael" picture.

I said it before and I'll say it again - since when do they show pictures of dead celebrties?
think of the case of anna nicole smith - the press had on less photo of her, but unlike the pictures in michael's case, which are all blurry and you can hardly tell if it's him or not - anna's picture was very clear and unequivocal.

(http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/images/2007/03/anna_fakeorreal1_030507_FRE.jpg)


if michael is dead and they took pictures of his body and they're showing it to the world, why are they all so unclear? why not show at least one good picture?
just think about it.

Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: suspicious mind on October 12, 2011, 09:30:51 PM
so what is the deal with the big brused looking place on the right shoulder?
this looks kinda shiney like it could be wax or plastic and there really doesn't seem to be any good reason to show it. i think in the oj case they didn't even show anything like it. perhaps the crime scene with the bodies covered.
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: Jennie on October 12, 2011, 09:41:48 PM
I think the picture could be another tool for us to uncover inconsistencies.
 
 For example, I was on TMZ last night to see what I missed when I was at work and I came across a link to the official autopsy report. I read his hear was blading at the front, it was short and he had very little hair but it was black and tight curled. When I look at this pic I dont see that when looking at his hair. If we think about it... Why undress the body but not remove the wig before taking the picture prior to starting the autopsy. The report also said he had rigor mortis on the limbs but I cant really see that either when I look at the photo but when I look at Anna Nicole Smith's autopsy photo you can clearly see the bluish tinge to her skin and even if Michaels photos are blury I still dont see that Michael's hands and feet look bluer than the rest of his body. And if you ask me the gauze's are a distraction in the photo and only those paying close attention like us will see stuff like that and think twice.
 WTF??  is going on?? suspicious//
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: Its her on October 12, 2011, 10:07:50 PM
Who said so?

The only reason nude photos are evidence in any trial is if they demonstrate the point of either side. Wounds, beatings, ligature or other weapons marks.  Showing MJ nude has NO practical purpose, as propofol kills without visible evidence, on the outside of the body. Being nude is not evidence in anything but a sex or sadism crime, IF the skin bears evidence on it.

MJ is not dead, and he didn't pose nude for this photo for his hoax. He's got everyone going with this horizontal pose (whoEVER he had do it) because we all know he has a flair for the dramatic and over the top  :roll: misdirection. If this model were standing (upright), all would see it is not MJ. It IS about perspective. geek/

I don't believe it at all. It is a fictitious RUMOR to make the trial juicier. Even in a hoax trial, voyeurism is in poor taste. The rumor alone is enough to shock, and offend!  afraid/ :x  It did not happen.  This jury has not seen MJ nude. For all we have seen, there isn't even a jury IN the room. We (here) know the trial is probably ALL hoaxed. This judge is probably acting out a script, playacting albino/ that he okayed the violation of MJ's privacy. 

I have seen a real judge deny showing even defense exhibit photos of the deceased, when the victim was totally uncovered, even when his own family did not object to this!!! I know people who have seen very graphic photos on juries, but the trials were not televised and neither were ANY photos, EVEN blackscreened out. Some people , even judges, still have a shred of decency, and will not disrespect an already, WAY disrespected man....   respect/

Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: Aidan_81 on October 12, 2011, 10:09:40 PM
OMG  ..thanks to my tabloid resistance, I never saw that pic of poor Anna Nicole before. Oh poor
poor woman, what a tragic fate ...is it for real?? I feel there is major obsession
with dead celebrities on front pages  :cry: it's so sad.  Sad that they do it, sad that we buy it.

I see no reason why dead body was shown in MJ case ..twice. The only explanation,
apart from the hoax, is maybe that they wanted to "impress" jurors and make them dislike defendant
some more [though after today's witnesses you can't paint him more guilty, so they really
could skip that photo the day before! I can't imagine how painful it was for everyone
who never considered hoax to be possible  :?], because if the goal was to show he was in
normal shape why stretching the pic so much, making him look slimmer than he is?
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: Jennie on October 12, 2011, 10:19:27 PM
It's her made a comment about the jury that we still have not seen. You know it's true I dont recall ever seeing the jury and if my memory serves me correct I did get glimpses of the jury every now and then in Casey Anthony trial. Hmm... What would be the purpose form a legal perspective not to allow us to see that panel?  Does anyone have legal knowledge here that could answer this?
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: mjj58 on October 13, 2011, 12:52:15 AM
1. I can't see his belly button.
2. I can't see his face properly.
3. His hands look to small.
4. His lips don't look right.
5. Why show this to the world?.....for shock value!

"Just because you read it in a magazine or see it on the t.v. screen don't make it factual"
(MJ Tabloid Junkie)

These lyrics from tabloid junkie sound familiar...

"In the hood
Frame him if you could
Shoot to kill
To blame him if you will
If he dies sympathize
Such false witnesses
Damn self righteousness"

The media are now starting to act all sympathetic to Michael. Oh how two faced and chameleon-like the media can be.
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: heartwarrior on October 13, 2011, 02:05:38 AM
There must be several strong reasons for the director of this 'circus-court' to include the picture of a naked, dead man supposed to look like Michael Jackson. One reason surely is, as discussed in another thread, to test 'be-leavers' or encouraging believers to turn into knowers.
Another strong reason could be to make us remember the childmolesting trial. I didn't follow it then but we all know that Michael Jackson was 'made naked' - physically... mentally...his sensitiv  soul put to filthy exibition, maybe the worst trauma he was experiencing throughout that trial.
Regarding those looking-back-facts it just shows one more time what a greate soul and character Michael Jackson is (not mentioned his multiple talents)...HE still gives us entertainment and laughter during this breathtaking journey, a fake autopsy picture is just part of the package to let our laughter freeze in our throats from time to time.

Thank you for this present Mr Jackson, you sure owe nobody nothing and still you are acting so generously....must be L.O:V:E:.....

with tears in my eyes
/heartwarrior
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: becca26 on October 13, 2011, 02:40:45 AM
Is it just me or does his complection look too dark? I don't think its him.
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: ForstAMoon on October 13, 2011, 02:45:05 AM
I agree 1000% that the fact this photo was shown is the evidence for hoax.

I do not know if it is illegal or not in US to show it to the public, but there was (for me) no reason for the photo to be allowed to be presented. Even if it had constitute a, evidence for prosecution (I still doubt however, what kind of evidence though) the judge had full authority to ban it from showing to the public, e.g. he might have limit this only to jury.

I cannot imagine any judge has not assumed the death photo of such person as Michael Jackson would not be a sensation picked up by all possible media and spread on the net.

Screems hoax (http://www.myemoticons.com/images/emotions/bouncy/bounce.gif)
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: Andrea on October 13, 2011, 07:59:40 AM
On HLN last night they were talking about how the autopsy photo was  "final humiliation" for Michael.  And compared this photo to what Michael went through in '93 when he had his private area photographed by police because of the accusations.  He has had so many wrongs done to him and I think people are (hopefully) finally starting to see Michael as a human being who was treated grossly unfair, even in "death"... 
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: Chinbie on October 13, 2011, 08:20:54 AM
i think these things are exaggerated; OMG!
it aimed at show us mj has died ;
how can michael's family do nothing abt this  /judge/
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: voiceforthesilent on October 13, 2011, 09:39:29 AM
Thank you for sharing this with us. I loved all of the comments. I also think it was shown for many reasons - shock, to remind us of what he went through, and to put the hook in deeper into the tabloids/media. It should, of course, be a great reminder to those following that it doesn't match the EMT's description of Michael.

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HE still gives us entertainment and laughter during this breathtaking journey, a fake autopsy picture is just part of the package to let our laughter freeze in our throats from time to time.

Thank you for this present Mr Jackson, you sure owe nobody nothing and still you are acting so generously....must be L.O:V:E:.....

Heartwarrior - I LOVE what you wrote. thank you :)

I, too, didn't follow the tabloids after watching what Bashir did to Michael several years ago so I also didn't follow the Anna Nicole trial, etc. I still feel so bad for all of them involved. I hadn't seen that picture either but at least they give respect in the picture. Not so with Michael's picture.

The point brought up about the humiliation Michael went through having his genitals photographed is a great point. At the time he also said that if that's what he had to go through in order to prove his innocence...then so be it. Funny, but I think this could very well be part of the reason - TO PROVE HIS INNOCENCE.

I can't get over the weight - 136 lbs. To me that is not frail. I have relatives who would match the height and weight and they are perfectly healthy.

All of the inconsistencies battle in my mind against my logical thinking. In the end I am convinced it's a hoax.

Have a blessed day :)

Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: AnaMarcia on October 13, 2011, 10:25:26 AM
In 2005, Michael was able to prevent the jury saw pictures taken of his body in 1993.
At that time the revelation of these photos would have more sense, since they could confirm or refute the testimony of Chandler and most of all was not televised!

Now, it's very strange that the family and the judge allowed a photo of that would have worldwide repercussions. They did not think Michael's children could see it?

Overall, the picture for a necropsy is very strange.

This picture is just to shock the world, but I wasn't startled by it at any time.  smiley_spider

If this were real, would really be the final humiliation for Michael, that never happened with any celebrity or ordinary people.
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: Bee Bee on October 13, 2011, 01:06:09 PM
Their supposed reason for showing the photo:

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By Jen Heger (http://www.radaronline.com/author/jen-heger)
Radar Legal Editor
The autopsy photo of Michael Jackson that was shown in court on Tuesday at Dr. Conrad Murray's involuntary manslaughter trial evoked tears and gasps from audience members in attendance, and RadarOnline.com (http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/10/reason-michael-jacksons-autopsy-photo-was-shown-jurors) has exclusively learned why it was used.
"The defense has witnesses that are going to testify that Michael Jackson's bones were protruding, and that he looked very, very sick. Remember the paramedic told jurors that when they first arrived at Michael Jackson's bedroom, they thought he was a hospice patient. The photo had to be shown to jurors to show Michael Jackson's physical state. The Jackson family was warned before the photo was shown, and Katherine Jackson left without seeing the photo," a law enforcement source tells RadarOnline.com.
PHOTOS: Key Players In The Trial Of Dr. Conrad Murray (http://www.radaronline.com/photos/image/147558/2011/09/key-players-conrad-murray-trial)
RadarOnline.com has chosen not to publish Michael Jackson's autopsy photograph. "Showing an autopsy photo is never taken lightly. It can be gruesome, but there is always a very specific reason why it's shown. This wasn't done for shock value, as some pundits have declared," the insider says.
As RadarOnline.com previously reported (http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/10/district-attorney-likely-rest-case-week-trial-dr-conrad-murray), the D.A. is expected to rest their case this week; the defense will then begin presenting its case.
EXCLUSIVE PHOTOS: Inside Michael Jackson's Mansion On The Day Of His Death (http://www.radaronline.com/photos/image/15318)
If convicted of involuntary manslaughter, Dr. Murray could face up to four years behind bars.
Stay tuned to RadarOnline.com for the latest developments on this story.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/10/reason-michael-jacksons-autopsy-photo-was-shown-jurors (http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/10/reason-michael-jacksons-autopsy-photo-was-shown-jurors)

I just don't understand why this photo is being called an "autopsy" photo. Things would have been less shocking if they'd just said, "We're going to show another photograph of Michael Jackson dead" in the first place, because this photo is NOT from an autopsy anyway. Whether he's lying on the coroner's table or not, there is no autopsy being performed on that body at the time the photo was taken. So, I don't get it.
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: becca26 on October 13, 2011, 02:49:34 PM
The dates wrong by the body it said 8 25 2009 ? So Its a fake
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: MJonmind on October 13, 2011, 03:07:22 PM
I think it was shown to evoke emotion, controversy, contrast to EMT and others descriptions. From the humiliation of graphic "dead" body to resurrection shock will produce the greater impact on the world. BTW my son is 5'10" and is 135 lbs. and is perfectly healthy and strong. I also think this IS Michael, but photoshopped as well.
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: Snoopy71 on October 13, 2011, 03:12:52 PM
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To me, displaying the autopsy pic is another proof that Michael is alive. It would totally be inappropriate if he was dead for real and the family wouldn't allow this to happen.

I agree, there is no technical reason to show the picture.  The testimony by Christopher Rogers did not coincide /reference to the showing of the picture, so it was purely for dramatic effect. The "death photo" in this instance would have been sufficient...it is presumed that if he died that he went to the coroners , so why the explicit photo? (if this was a real case) :?

Now on the other hand...showing the picture reinforces that this is indeed a hoax. Whether it was actually MJ or a wax impression of him, or a body double is irrelevant...the fact that it was shown indicates this was another staged event.

...and again, the multiple "inconsistancies" the photo raises....the date, body description, body wrapped in sheets (improper handling), possible photoshopping, angle of the picture, inconsistant bruising etc...etc...

just another piece in the puzzle... :|
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on October 13, 2011, 04:12:44 PM
This photo makes me sick... It is all over the internet in my country and in the tabloids... Although they are labelling it 18+ or "drastic" they are still publishing it.
I am shocked and speechless. I stare at this photo for long hours to see any glimpse of life in it... And I don't know what to think... It is so hard to see your beloved person in a state like this.
This photo may turn a hard core-believer into non believer ot totally opposite...
It haunts me at night... What did I do to you, Michael that you are taking your sweet revenge even on me? Is this still out of love?
 :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on October 13, 2011, 05:44:50 PM
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(http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2011/10/12/alg_jackson_autopsy.jpg)

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/headlines/jury-sees-naked-michael-jackson-photo-why (http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/headlines/jury-sees-naked-michael-jackson-photo-why)

Is it me or is this black square in this particular photo TRANSPARENT??
OMG... Sorry, I warned you I have been staring at it for hours...  crash/
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: blankie on October 13, 2011, 06:02:23 PM
If Mike has allowed this photo was released there is a reason.. ;) .... waiting for... typing/ bangbang








 moonwalk_/
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: thaiz on October 13, 2011, 06:38:24 PM
 :?: Why Michael has no belly button in this photo?? Maybe they don't know how touse photoshop...
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: paula-c on October 13, 2011, 08:28:25 PM
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Is it legally allowed to show it to the public on TV for the world to see it? Is there a law that prevents such photos to be shown to the world and not only to the judge and jury?

 
 
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photos and video recordings of the body, or any part of the body of a deceased person taken by or for the forensic doctor at the scene of death or in the course of a post-mortem examination or an autopsy is not available for inspection at any time in accordance with article 129 of the code of Civil procedure in California. Any person who wishes to inspect or obtain copies of the photographs will be required to obtain a court order as referred to in article 129. "
 http://www.sccgov.org/portal/site/coroner/agencychp?path=%2Fv7%2FMedical%20Examiner-Coroner%20%28DEP%29%2FReports (http://www.sccgov.org/portal/site/coroner/agencychp?path=%2Fv7%2FMedical%20Examiner-Coroner%20%28DEP%29%2FReports)



quoteViewing autopsy photographs is NOT the right of the media or press under the law. If viewing autopsy pictures IN COURT, generally T.V. cameras are either turned toward the judge or the shot is blacked out.  

http://www.sccgov.org/portal/site/coroner/agencychp?path=%2Fv7%2FMedical%20Examiner-Coroner%20%28DEP%29%2FReports (http://www.sccgov.org/portal/site/coroner/agencychp?path=%2Fv7%2FMedical%20Examiner-Coroner%20%28DEP%29%2FReports)

 
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,20587.50.html (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,20587.50.html)
 
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on October 13, 2011, 09:09:35 PM
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1. I can't see his belly button.
2. I can't see his face properly.
3. His hands look to small.
4. His lips don't look right.
5. Why show this to the world?.....for shock value!

"Just because you read it in a magazine or see it on the t.v. screen don't make it factual"
(MJ Tabloid Junkie)

These lyrics from tabloid junkie sound familiar...

"In the hood
Frame him if you could
Shoot to kill
To blame him if you will
If he dies sympathize
Such false witnesses
Damn self righteousness"

The media are now starting to act all sympathetic to Michael. Oh how two faced and chameleon-like the media can be.

I will add why show a picture with a bandage and a tube hanging under his nose. For me they should have removed bandage and that tube.. What happened to the right arm. It looks half an arm.. I just noticed.
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: Mish1981 on October 13, 2011, 11:48:02 PM
Just thinking out loud here regarding the dramatic feel of showing the photo. The prosecutors did it on purpose, probably for many reasons but I think this is another one we should consider. Remember TMZ gave us the "low-down" of the jurors and we all joked about how the majority of them were MJ fans, appreciated his music, saw TII etc. What better way to get the jury to despise Murray then to show MJ "dead", the man that they saw on film, sang along with and appreciated?
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: msgitm on October 14, 2011, 01:48:29 AM
Did anyone know about this? http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=76713
It could tie in with the theory an impostor died, in which case the Propofol would have been used legally.

btw, that sad picture of Anna Nicole - who took that picture?  My guess is her scumbag lawyer/wanna be boyfriend, Howard Stern.  I have no doubt he released (and was paid big bucks) for the picture of her dead, naked on the bed with vomit all over her mouth and chest.  He later said she was joking around eating food and letting it fall out of her mouth.  That was not what it looked like at all.  I can't believe he got off on her death and her sons.  Tragic indeed!
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: alfarle on October 14, 2011, 03:12:48 AM
Man...the WHOLE autopsy photo thing is nothing but crazyness and make-believe. I just typed in "celebrity autopsy photos", and most of the photos I saw(not enjoyable btw...but just to make a pt) were of Anna Nicole Smith(may her beautiful soul r.i.p), TUPAC, Aaliyah(r.i.p babygirl), and some others which I don't know and can't name but it looked like they were in some kind of tub and you could see where their faces have been beaten up and such. You could actually see evidence on their photos(quality photos btw) that there was most definitely foul play and or trauma.I'm not sure if the one of Princess Diana was real or not, but I'm assuming that was on display in order to show the world that the media can most definitely get out of hand with chasing ppl down just to get a story and some money. SO NOT worth the cost of another human beings life.

But back to the topic. There was NO purpose of the media displaying such a photo of what was supposedly "MJ" other than the fact that he PERHAPS went to the extreme to get those who endanger him off of his back and to expose the criminals in this whole thing, or either that the media is just that sick that they would do such a thing like they say to themselves, "hahaha look at your MJ now...not such a big shot now is he?" Which I hope isn't the case but YES ppl are that EVIL.

During the search,the ones they had of MJ were nonetheless the SAME BOGUS photos we have been presented to us with since this whole case scenario began EXCEPT the one of him on the autopsy table w/the sheets. ALLLLLLLLLL FAAAAKKKKKEEE.  /toldya/
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: Thriller4ever on October 14, 2011, 12:10:54 PM
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(http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2011/10/12/alg_jackson_autopsy.jpg)

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/headlines/jury-sees-naked-michael-jackson-photo-why (http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/headlines/jury-sees-naked-michael-jackson-photo-why)

Is it me or is this black square in this particular photo TRANSPARENT??
OMG... Sorry, I warned you I have been staring at it for hours...  crash/


I wouldn't think it's transparent....
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: LunaCielo on October 14, 2011, 12:41:13 PM
 WTF?? I believe that photos depicting Michael Jackson's "corpse" is untrue, false as the first photo in the ambulance.
 I was not upset to see the photos because I never believed in the death of Michael.
 I believe in his genius that so it shows in his greatness.
 The process serves to awaken the people who are not aware of how newspapers deceive and disguise the truth.
 Just as his trial in the year 2005, the public is superficial and believes what he sees ....
 ;)
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: SEHF on October 14, 2011, 02:03:53 PM
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:?: Why Michael has no belly button in this photo?? Maybe they don't know how touse photoshop...

I can see a belly button...
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: PureLove on October 14, 2011, 02:39:52 PM
Yes, the belly button is there.

(http://s1.proxy03.twitpic.com/photos/large/421479724.jpg)

But in some of the pictures it was not visible like this one.

(http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2011/10/12/alg_jackson_autopsy.jpg)

Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: alfarle on October 14, 2011, 08:18:38 PM
 :| :cry:
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: Snoopy71 on October 14, 2011, 08:38:22 PM
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(http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2011/10/12/alg_jackson_autopsy.jpg)

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/headlines/jury-sees-naked-michael-jackson-photo-why (http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/headlines/jury-sees-naked-michael-jackson-photo-why)

Is it me or is this black square in this particular photo TRANSPARENT??
OMG... Sorry, I warned you I have been staring at it for hours...  crash/

No, it's not just you...I know what you mean by "transparent" square ...I noticed it too when I first saw it. In fact, if I look at my computer at a certain angle I can almost see the shape of a ...ah.. :? anywho... I thought it was a little light to be adequate coverage (almost like they used a piece of "post-it" cut to fit/cover)...I notice in subsequent pictures, the black square is much darker in coloration.

I think what we all have to remember when people say they can or can't see a belly button or other details is that we are looking at a picture of a picture....so alot of detail is going to be blurred or lightened out in the photo, and compromise the quality of the photo we see.

I still don't think it was necessary to show it based on the testimony that was given. But clearly they are trying to give the impression that the moment Michael arrived at the Coroners office (apparently from the helicopter), that they immediately took a photograph of the body before doing any type of prep work or moving the body (which again makes you question the authenticity of the situation)...what was the rush to take photos before properly prepping the body?

I am curious too.....what is that bright yellow tag (band) around his ankle? It seems a little unusual/out of place given the circumstances.  Why would they tag him with such a bright and cheerful color? (and his favorite one too!)
 
 
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: alfarle on October 14, 2011, 09:17:10 PM
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(http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2011/10/12/alg_jackson_autopsy.jpg)

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/headlines/jury-sees-naked-michael-jackson-photo-why (http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/headlines/jury-sees-naked-michael-jackson-photo-why)

Is it me or is this black square in this particular photo TRANSPARENT??
OMG... Sorry, I warned you I have been staring at it for hours...  crash/

No, it's not just you...I know what you mean by "transparent" square ...I noticed it too when I first saw it. In fact, if I look at my computer at a certain angle I can almost see the shape of a ...ah.. :? anywho... I thought it was a little light to be adequate coverage (almost like they used a piece of "post-it" cut to fit/cover)...I notice in subsequent pictures, the black square is much darker in coloration.

I think what we all have to remember when people say they can or can't see a belly button or other details is that we are looking at a picture of a picture....so alot of detail is going to be blurred or lightened out in the photo, and compromise the quality of the photo we see.

I still don't think it was necessary to show it based on the testimony that was given. But clearly they are trying to give the impression that the moment Michael arrived at the Coroners office (apparently from the helicopter), that they immediately took a photograph of the body before doing any type of prep work or moving the body (which again makes you question the authenticity of the situation)...what was the rush to take photos before properly prepping the body?

I am curious too.....what is that bright yellow tag (band) around his ankle? It seems a little unusual/out of place given the circumstances.  Why would they tag him with such a bright and cheerful color? (and his favorite one too!)

About the yellow tag....follow the yellow brick road???? Perhaps??? Even though the belly button was found, there's everything wrong  about this photo and the defense displaying it. Made NO logical sense.  :cry: I'll be darned if that's MJ. If that's MJ, then my name is Janet, Ms. Jackson if ure nasty. haha.
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: techdiva on October 14, 2011, 09:40:38 PM
I had a feeling the photo was shown in court had a purpose. I just finished watching Jackieblue64 video about the photo.  Look at the photo deeper. There's a man 's face in MJ's chest.  The picture of Christ.  The Shroud of Turin - The Resurrection. 

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md4ndcXVF5w&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]

Here's are links about the Shroud of Turin
http://www.shroud.com/ (http://www.shroud.com/)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin)


Someone said that Elvis was reading about the Shroud of Turin before he died.
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: techdiva on October 14, 2011, 09:43:54 PM
Here are some links of the Shroud of Turin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin)


http://www.shroud.com/ (http://www.shroud.com/)
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: Snoopy71 on October 14, 2011, 10:41:00 PM
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http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/headlines/jury-sees-naked-michael-jackson-photo-why (http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/headlines/jury-sees-naked-michael-jackson-photo-why)

Is it me or is this black square in this particular photo TRANSPARENT??
OMG... Sorry, I warned you I have been staring at it for hours...  crash/

No, it's not just you...I know what you mean by "transparent" square ...I noticed it too when I first saw it. In fact, if I look at my computer at a certain angle I can almost see the shape of a ...ah.. :? anywho... I thought it was a little light to be adequate coverage (almost like they used a piece of "post-it" cut to fit/cover)...I notice in subsequent pictures, the black square is much darker in coloration.

I think what we all have to remember when people say they can or can't see a belly button or other details is that we are looking at a picture of a picture....so alot of detail is going to be blurred or lightened out in the photo, and compromise the quality of the photo we see.

I still don't think it was necessary to show it based on the testimony that was given. But clearly they are trying to give the impression that the moment Michael arrived at the Coroners office (apparently from the helicopter), that they immediately took a photograph of the body before doing any type of prep work or moving the body (which again makes you question the authenticity of the situation)...what was the rush to take photos before properly prepping the body?

I am curious too.....what is that bright yellow tag (band) around his ankle? It seems a little unusual/out of place given the circumstances.  Why would they tag him with such a bright and cheerful color? (and his favorite one too!)

About the yellow tag....follow the yellow brick road???? Perhaps??? Even though the belly button was found, there's everything wrong  about this photo and the defense displaying it. Made NO logical sense.  :cry: I'll be darned if that's MJ. If that's MJ, then my name is Janet, Ms. Jackson if ure nasty. haha.

Well, on the yellow tag I did a little digging. Since we don't know if the hospital tagged the body or if the Coroner did, I figured I'd start with the hospital first (seems logical they would tag him before transport)

What I found was pretty interesting.  I don't know exactly if this is the practice at UCLA, but based on "standard" emergency room triage I would think the color coding system is pretty consistant. Now here's where it gets interesting!

According to the codes:         
The tag on the bodys ankle is clearly yellow! Why would they tag a deceased body with an (observation) tag?   The black tag is the one that would be used when the person is deceased.

Again this is only a guess and we don't know what type of coding system the coroners use, but clearly if the hospital used the yellow tag and based on the testimony that the body was DOA, it would appear that this is indeed done intentionally. This picture is loaded with clues, which could explain why this picture was even shown in the first place.

Observation.......hmmmm. :D
 
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=79529 (http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=79529)
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Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: _Anna_ on October 15, 2011, 01:53:10 AM
Yes, but as they told, the photo was taken at coroner and not at the hospital. I don't think tags are universal. This means, hospital tags don't apply for the bodies kept at coroners.

Second option, this tag could have been attached at UCLA hospital then the body taken to the coroner, but in this case it wouldn't have any logic- they said Michael was gone before paramedics arrived at his house , so he normally would still be when arriving at the hospital, so why attach to him a tag for patients "who require observation (and possible later   re-triage). Their condition is stable for the moment and, they are not in   immediate danger of death."?

I wish I'd find more about these hospital tags or if these are also applied in California

I found this about medical triage tags:

(http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/4885/lbm119535s.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/38/lbm119535s.jpg/)
(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/392/triagetag3lg.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/12/triagetag3lg.jpg/)



It says MORGUE on the black tag: - why woudn't they attach to him the black tag, as he was taken to the coroner? The yellow tag is for serious injuries but [dot]which don't put the life of the patient at risk[/dot].

(http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/3186/triagetaglg.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/508/triagetaglg.jpg/)


Edit: I found this now. I don't know if triage tags are the same a wrist-bands or ankle-bands. I mean, i don't know if a yellow ankle-band is the same as a yellow tag

(http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/4669/firstrespondertriagetag.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/403/firstrespondertriagetag.jpg/)


Edit 2: "Meant for rapid identification after initial triage at the scene, the patient is then transferred to a proper treatment area and is retriaged and a standard triage tag is applied." - so, as far as I understand the bands are attached when the patient is found at the scene, then when he's taken to the hopsital they attach the tag regarding his state?
 http://www.med-worldwide.com/triage-ribbon-roll-blue-model-ame-445-b-fe-p21083



"This pre-assembled ribbon kit for quick-start patient triage is an excellent way to quickly visually identify patient triage levels. Compact, light weight and invaluable in any large scale emergency, this system is vital and should be in every emergency vehicle in your fleet."

(http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/4453/1009283jpgsm.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/198/1009283jpgsm.jpg/)

Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: Grace on October 15, 2011, 07:14:22 AM
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Did anyone know about this? http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=76713 (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=76713)
It could tie in with the theory an impostor died, in which case the Propofol would have been used legally.

Schwarzenegger's bill is far worse in its options towards involuntary euthanasia than the public is aware of.

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Quote from: ~Souza~
California has his own assisted suicide protocol. It differs from the Washington one but it's allowed there. Also, Murray was not in the room, he fell asleep, went to the bathroom and got on the phone all at once, only to return and find 'MJ' not breathing.

I am going to mail Cali about this issue, to see what they say.

 No they don't, they only have a law to allow the removal of a feeding tube. That's a completely different situation. Euthanasia, which is what the suicide pills are, is not legal in California and it is considered suicide.
 
 But I am curious what Cali replies with.

Caliland (Mr. Schwarzenegger) did approve a nurse-assisted suicide bill which is not too far from euthanasia. Drug the depressed, then starve / dehydrate them to death. Take involuntary detention and involuntary treatment in a neuro-psychiatric clinic first and connect the dots.
 
 
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Involuntary commitment is the practice of placing a person to a psychiatric hospital or ward against his or her will, in compliance with mental health laws of the country.
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Involuntary_commitment (http://http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Involuntary_commitment)
 
 
 
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California approves nurse-assisted suicide
 Schwarzenegger signs bill authorizing dehydration, starvation of patients
 Posted: October 02, 2008
 12:30 am Eastern
 
 © 2011 WorldNetDaily
 
 
 California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger
 
 SACRAMENTO – California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has officially approved an assisted suicide measure allowing nurses to sedate, dehydrate and starve depressed or confused individuals they consider to be "terminally ill."
 
 The bill, sponsored by Assemblywoman Patty Berg, a Democrat, passed the California Assembly Aug. 28, and the state Senate Aug. 20. It was signed by the governor yesterday.
 
 The legislation, called the "Terminal Patients' Right to Know End of Life Options Act," or AB 2747, passed by a 42 to 34 vote. An Aug. 20 Senate vote of 21 to 17 ushered the measure to the governor's desk for signing.
 
 Randy Thomasson, chief of the Campaign for Children and Families, said the legislation is dangerous and should have been vetoed by Gov. Schwarzenegger.
 
 "AB 2747 pushes suicide through the back door at the hands of non-physicians taking advantage of depressed patients," he said in a statement. "AB 2747 cheapens the value of human life by endorsing suicide as an option."
 
 The measure allows physician assistants and nurses to decide whether a person is "terminally ill" and deprive them of basic life-sustaining necessities such as food and water.
 
 "Depressed patients who succumb to this pressure will be drugged unconscious and die from dehydration, usually within five to 10 days," Thomasson said. "Nothing in the bill prohibits this horror."
 
 Thomasson said Berg "deceptively changed" the bill to appear that "voluntarily stopping of eating and drinking" and "palliative sedation" no longer were on a list of "symptom management" options.
 
 (Story continues below)
 
           
 
 "But the final bill "is broad enough to easily include these suicide techniques," he said.
 
 According to the CCF, Assemblyman Van Tran of Costa Mesa warned the bill has no protections for patients "who could be mistakenly diagnosed as 'terminally ill' but would have many, many full years of life ahead."
 
 "The bill does not otherwise attempt to expressly define terminal illness that each of these health care professionals would have to diagnose to trigger the offer of counseling end of life option," Tran said. "It is not clear why nurse practitioners and physician assistants could make such a significant diagnosis. It is further not clear from the bill how making such significant diagnoses on a case-by-case basis can be done by such practitioners and assistants based on so-called 'standardized procedures and protocols' not further defined by the bill. The potential effect of AB 2747 is extremely broad and could cause irrevocable harm."
 
 As WND reported, state Sen. Sam Aanestad, R-Grass Valley, urged Schwarzenegger to veto the bill as well.
 
 He said the legislation was sponsored by a group called Compassion and Choices, which formerly was known as the Hemlock Society and has advocated for physician-assisted suicide legislation in the past. A founder of the group has praised Dr. Jack Kevorkian for helping more than 100 people die.
 
 Dozens of individuals and groups representing cancer patients, minority rights groups, members of religious communities and hospitals spoke before the Senate Health Committee in opposition to the idea. Also, numerous hospitals and other organizations opposed the measure, includeing California Disability Alliance, California Family Council, California Nurses for Ethical Standards, Mercy San Juan Medical Center, Sierra Nevada Memorial Hospital and St. Mary's Medical Center in San Francisco.
 
 Read more: California approves nurse-assisted suicide
 
http://http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=76713#ixzz1K83jWxpH (http://http//www.wnd.com/?pageId=76713#ixzz1K83jWxpH)
 
 I am still convinced that the "old frail sick man" was a tactical smoke screen to irritate (and mock at the same time) Michael's foes' perception of him.
Remember 'Breaking News' lyrics "thought he was done", who gave us this description and how deep the first statements and news were burned into our minds in the first days of trauma,  mourning and doubt. Looking at this description from afar, makes it not more or less precise than anything else TMZ are currently diffusing.
Not everything that does not fit into our image of Michael must be true or a clue.
 
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: Raikiramari on October 15, 2011, 07:43:25 AM
A lot of people have been saying that his heart is where the wound is, your Heart is not in the middle of your chest. I REPEAT, it's not in the middle of your chest!

You can tell where abouts your heart is by running a few Meters, then placing your hand just above your Stomach, probably on the Left side. You feel your heart beating there, THIS is where your heart is underneath all those Layers of Muscle and Skin. (Shudders)

Your Heart is NOT in the middle of your chest, like I said. I've seen numerous arguments about this the first day the Picture came out. I feel like some people just don't understand the Human Anatomy.
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: Snoopy71 on October 15, 2011, 08:02:09 AM
This is getting murkier by the minute.  :?

So which scenario is it?

Did someone die in Michael's place? (assisted suicide)... If so, why would the Coroner's make a fake report (like Souza said, what would be the need for a dead body if they falsify the report anyway?).

Or is the body not real and merely a "wax" impression; aka "Dummy Theory"...also possible---remember the video of "MJ" supposedly sitting up/laying back in the stretcher going into the hospital, or even the "jumping out of the van" video that was later deemed a hoax would support this.

Or is this actually Michael's real body in the photo's....but he's not dead, but clearly staging these photos? (which would seem logical given the clues associated with them.

Or is is a combination of all three? :geek:
 
....then too you have to question are the "death" & "autopsy" photos the same...both photoshopped or not? Both staged or not...Real body or imitation?

 /pull hair/
   
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: Thriller4ever on October 15, 2011, 08:52:58 AM
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This is getting murkier by the minute.  :?

So which scenario is it?

Did someone die in Michael's place? (assisted suicide)... If so, why would the Coroner's make a fake report (like Souza said, what would be the need for a dead body if they falsify the report anyway?).

Or is the body not real and merely a "wax" impression; aka "Dummy Theory"...also possible---remember the video of "MJ" supposedly sitting up/laying back in the stretcher going into the hospital, or even the "jumping out of the van" video that was later deemed a hoax would support this.

Or is this actually Michael's real body in the photo's....but he's not dead, but clearly staging these photos? (which would seem logical given the clues associated with them.

Or is is a combination of all three? :geek:
 
....then too you have to question are the "death" & "autopsy" photos the same...both photoshopped or not? Both staged or not...Real body or imitation?

 /pull hair/
   


I don't think it was any kind of assisted suicide, maybe they brought a dead man who was terminally ill and happened to look like michael?  :? 


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http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/headlines/jury-sees-naked-michael-jackson-photo-why (http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/headlines/jury-sees-naked-michael-jackson-photo-why)

Is it me or is this black square in this particular photo TRANSPARENT??
OMG... Sorry, I warned you I have been staring at it for hours...  crash/

 
No, it's not just you...I know what you mean by "transparent" square ...I noticed it too when I first saw it. In fact, if I look at my computer at a certain angle I can almost see the shape of a ...ah.. :? anywho... I thought it was a little light to be adequate coverage (almost like they used a piece of "post-it" cut to fit/cover)...I notice in subsequent pictures, the black square is much darker in coloration.

I think what we all have to remember when people say they can or can't see a belly button or other details is that we are looking at a picture of a picture....so alot of detail is going to be blurred or lightened out in the photo, and compromise the quality of the photo we see.

I still don't think it was necessary to show it based on the testimony that was given. But clearly they are trying to give the impression that the moment Michael arrived at the Coroners office (apparently from the helicopter), that they immediately took a photograph of the body before doing any type of prep work or moving the body (which again makes you question the authenticity of the situation)...what was the rush to take photos before properly prepping the body?

I am curious too.....what is that bright yellow tag (band) around his ankle? It seems a little unusual/out of place given the circumstances.  Why would they tag him with such a bright and cheerful color? (and his favorite one too!)


About the yellow tag....follow the yellow brick road???? Perhaps??? Even though the belly button was found, there's everything wrong  about this photo and the defense displaying it. Made NO logical sense.  :cry: I'll be darned if that's MJ. If that's MJ, then my name is Janet, Ms. Jackson if ure nasty. haha.

 
Well, on the yellow tag I did a little digging. Since we don't know if the hospital tagged the body or if the Coroner did, I figured I'd start with the hospital first (seems logical they would tag him before transport)

What I found was pretty interesting.  I don't know exactly if this is the practice at UCLA, but based on "standard" emergency room triage I would think the color coding system is pretty consistant. Now here's where it gets interesting!

According to the codes:         
The tag on the bodys ankle is clearly yellow! Why would they tag a deceased body with an (observation) tag?   The black tag is the one that would be used when the person is deceased.

Again this is only a guess and we don't know what type of coding system the coroners use, but clearly if the hospital used the yellow tag and based on the testimony that the body was DOA, it would appear that this is indeed done intentionally. This picture is loaded with clues, which could explain why this picture was even shown in the first place.

Observation.......hmmmm. :D
 
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=79529 (http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=79529)




Thank you so much, i really find this interesting...maybe this was one way of michael to tell us that he is fine! :)
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on October 15, 2011, 09:30:40 AM
i was looking at the picture of Michael in the ambulance, and this one, unfortunetaly, it does not look the same person. If anyone can put up the two pictures side by side so we can  compare the 2 pictures.  I tried, but it is giving me error message.. Sorry..
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: mjssoulmate on October 15, 2011, 04:19:26 PM
Here is my question:  If this person has been dead for at least 7 hours at arrival at the coroner's office, how come the lips are still a bright red color?  Shouldn't they be grayish blue by now?  Does anyone know how long it would take for the color to disappear?
 
 
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: Raikiramari on October 15, 2011, 04:29:01 PM
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Here is my question:  If this person has been dead for at least 7 hours at arrival at the coroner's office, how come the lips are still a bright red color?  Shouldn't they be grayish blue by now?  Does anyone know how long it would take for the color to disappear?

Usually in corpses the bodies go cold pretty soon as their blood circulation usually cuts off since the Heart is no longer beating, which means the blood isn't pumping around the Veins, which also means your body is no longer getting heat.

My estimated guess is anywhere from 10 minutes to an Hour. 
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on October 15, 2011, 04:57:01 PM
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Here is my question:  If this person has been dead for at least 7 hours at arrival at the coroner's office, how come the lips are still a bright red color?  Shouldn't they be grayish blue by now?  Does anyone know how long it would take for the color to disappear?

Usually in corpses the bodies go cold pretty soon as their blood circulation usually cuts off since the Heart is no longer beating, which means the blood isn't pumping around the Veins, which also means your body is no longer getting heat.

My estimated guess is anywhere from 10 minutes to an Hour. 

It is instantly. As soon as a person dies, and the heart does not pump anymore the lips will turn blue. No more oxygen that makes the body turn blue. In fact you are right how come his lips are still pinkish?? very strange. Very good observations. I do not know how come I missed it. I was looking at that picture for so long that I did not see the obvious..
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: Raikiramari on October 15, 2011, 05:03:09 PM
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Here is my question:  If this person has been dead for at least 7 hours at arrival at the coroner's office, how come the lips are still a bright red color?  Shouldn't they be grayish blue by now?  Does anyone know how long it would take for the color to disappear?

Usually in corpses the bodies go cold pretty soon as their blood circulation usually cuts off since the Heart is no longer beating, which means the blood isn't pumping around the Veins, which also means your body is no longer getting heat.

My estimated guess is anywhere from 10 minutes to an Hour. 

It is instantly. As soon as a person dies, and the heart does not pump anymore the lips will turn blue. No more oxygen that makes the body turn blue. In fact you are right how come his lips are still pinkish?? very strange. Very good observations. I do not know how come I missed it. I was looking at that picture for so long that I did not see the obvious..

Really? some take longer than others, as I saw when my Grandfather died. It took approx 20 minutes for his lips and skin to turn pale or blue-ish purple.

DOCTORS HAVE BEEN LYING TO ME :'c I guess it's because I was young and they didn't want me to know what really happened, so I just assumed that they lose body heat which does make the body turn pretty blue or pale-ish afterwards.

Doh well.
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: Cameron on October 15, 2011, 05:46:32 PM
Look at the shoulders !

There is no the same distance between the head and the left shoulder with the head and the right shoulder... I just saw MJ's History concert and when the camera is close to him Michael has the same distance between the head and the left/right shoulder, he's a normal person...

So, is this photo a photoshop ? Or maybe my observation is an optical illusion ?  :?
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on October 15, 2011, 05:49:17 PM
I took the ambulance picture and the supposedly death picture put them side by side. I see a difference, the death picture is not Michael, totally different. Now in the testimony they stated that Michael eyes were wide opened they couldn't close them.. How does it explain in the ambulance picture he has them closed...  Once a person dies, instantly their lips become blue finger nails.. Michael's lips are nice and pinkish... That is not a color of a dead man.. Here are the pictures side by side. I posted this also on the other thread..
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: Aidan_81 on October 15, 2011, 06:35:02 PM
I absolutely do not believe ambulance photo. I really think we can forget about ambulance one.
I bet more ppl would believe other 2 pics if not that obvious ambulance fake! Why
they faked it??  :roll: What else was fake?  :roll: How about everything?  :roll:

Ok, I have explanation for pink lips - the way they explain it in autopsy report.
Tattoo. Outside the hoax that would be the only explanation - pink permanent paint
that keeps the color. Yes, I met woman who had almost complete tattoo makeup on her face -
eyebrows, eye-liner and most of her lips  afraid/ She said it wasn't that bad pain-wise, but
women are the ones giving birth and saying it was ok, soooo  :roll: ..
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: msgitm on October 15, 2011, 07:38:00 PM
Anyone see this pic?  It was originally posted by someone named "psychicjane" on Twitter, NOT Twiggy. Worth a look - not sure what to believe here?

http://twitpic.com/708mh6
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on October 15, 2011, 07:58:48 PM
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I absolutely do not believe ambulance photo. I really think we can forget about ambulance one.
I bet more ppl would believe other 2 pics if not that obvious ambulance fake! Why
they faked it??  :roll: What else was fake?  :roll: How about everything?  :roll:

Ok, I have explanation for pink lips - the way they explain it in autopsy report.
Tattoo. Outside the hoax that would be the only explanation - pink permanent paint
that keeps the color. Yes, I met woman who had almost complete tattoo makeup on her face -
eyebrows, eye-liner and most of her lips  afraid/ She said it wasn't that bad pain-wise, but
women are the ones giving birth and saying it was ok, soooo  :roll: ..

We have to look at all possibilities, I know the picture of the ambulance is fake. they said at the trial that MJ had his eyes opened, they couldn't close them. Well looke at the ambulance pic lie, so this one is a lie too.. I also feel that the Pic of Jesus on his chest is photoshopped too.. Yes it is a sign that he will come back..
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: curls on October 17, 2011, 05:39:53 PM
Turin shroud, Cardiff Giant, Roswell alien - it's like how many hoaxes from history can this man include in HIS hoax before everyone realises what he's doing?
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: PureLove on October 17, 2011, 05:55:38 PM
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Turin shroud, Cardiff Giant, Roswell alien - it's like how many hoaxes from history can this man include in HIS hoax before everyone realises what he's doing?

 :lol:

What other hoaxes left that he hasn't included yet?  lolol/
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: SimPattyK on April 13, 2012, 05:23:37 PM
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/sehf00qtq.jpg)

TMZ: http://www.tmz.com/2011/10/11/michael-jackson-autopsy-photo-dead-naked-dr-conrad-murray-trial-manslaughter/#.T4iiV9lWp3A (http://www.tmz.com/2011/10/11/michael-jackson-autopsy-photo-dead-naked-dr-conrad-murray-trial-manslaughter/#.T4iiV9lWp3A)

THREAD: "Michael Jackson hoax! Faked funeral!" - http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php/topic,18378.msg317224.html#msg317224 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php/topic,18378.msg317224.html#msg317224)

THREAD: "Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?" - http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php/topic,20858.msg363137.html#msg363137 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php/topic,20858.msg363137.html#msg363137)



@SEHF: How on Earth did you know many months in advance? !? :icon_e_surprised: :icon_eek:
Who are you?  :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: finfin on April 15, 2012, 10:37:15 AM
Hi @SEHF - hope to find you well, I just wondered if you had seen @SimPattyK post and if you are going to respond to it? Many thanks in advance of your reply. PS sorry if you are on holiday  ;)
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: SimPattyK on April 15, 2012, 05:20:32 PM
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@SEHF: How on Earth did you know many months in advance? !? :icon_e_surprised: :icon_eek:
Who are you?  :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile


March 27th 2011 - Michael Jackson hoax! Faked funeral! (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php/topic,18378.msg317224.html#msg317224)

@SEHF: you'd think depth perception was a mystical force not yet known to the world.
@suspicious mind: ok which one of my kids are you? they love their sarcasm too
@SEHF: I have no belly button..
@suspicious mind: oh your that one. well behave yourself or you are grounded.

^^ Could this be just a "funny conversation" and just another "coincidence"? Doubt it!
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October 14th 2011 - Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why? (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=20858.25)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/sehfthaiz.jpg)
                                                     @SEHF: I can see a belly button...
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^^ Another sarcastic remark?  :icon_e_biggrin: probably to make people talk and WATCH closer!!?  :icon_albino:
Interesting how thaiz registered ONLY to post that line about the belly button ^^


How could a simple member of this forum have known MONTHS in advance (March 2011) about the "no belly button" trick?
The autopsy pic was officially released to the public , in autumn of 2011 during the trial (October-November 2011).

Why NOBODY here, except Finfin and me, seem to be interested in this?  :icon_eek:
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: paula-c on April 15, 2012, 06:53:55 PM
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(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/sehf00qtq.jpg)

@SEHF: How on Earth did you know many months in advance? !? :icon_e_surprised: :icon_eek:
Who are you?  :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile


March 27th 2011 - Michael Jackson hoax! Faked funeral! (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php/topic,18378.msg317224.html#msg317224)

@SEHF: you'd think depth perception was a mystical force not yet known to the world.
@suspicious mind: ok which one of my kids are you? they love their sarcasm too
@SEHF: I have no belly button..
@suspicious mind: oh your that one. well behave yourself or you are grounded.

^^ Could this be just a "funny conversation" and just another "coincidence"? Doubt it!
________________________________________________________________________________


October 14th 2011 - Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why? (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=20858.25)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/sehfthaiz.jpg)
                                                     @SEHF: I can see a belly button...
______________________________________________________________________________________

^^ Another sarcastic remark?  :icon_e_biggrin: probably to make people talk and WATCH closer!!?  :icon_albino:
Interesting how thaiz registered ONLY to post that line about the belly button ^^


How could a simple member of this forum have known MONTHS in advance (March 2011) about the "no belly button" trick?
The autopsy pic was officially released to the public , in autumn of 2011 during the trial (October-November 2011).

Why NOBODY here, except Finfin and me, seem to be interested in this?  :icon_eek:





 :suspect:
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: paula-c on April 15, 2012, 06:59:08 PM
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I have no belly button..




in fact, that comment had nothing to do with the topic
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: Tink on April 16, 2012, 08:32:41 PM
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I took the ambulance picture and the supposedly death picture put them side by side. I see a difference, the death picture is not Michael, totally different. Now in the testimony they stated that Michael eyes were wide opened they couldn't close them.. How does it explain in the ambulance picture he has them closed...  Once a person dies, instantly their lips become blue finger nails.. Michael's lips are nice and pinkish... That is not a color of a dead man.. Here are the pictures side by side. I posted this also on the other thread..

I already DESTROYED that  ambulance photo to shreds on here, on another thread - two noses!? A black paramedic with a white hand!? Come on! Then, there's allegedly needles rammed through the sternum, on the autopsy photo!? That's 16 mm+ thick, and takes a BONE SAW to get through - not a needle of any sort. That's what they use for open heart surgeries, since 1970.
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: SimPattyK on April 18, 2012, 06:05:30 PM
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I have no belly button..
in fact, that comment had nothing to do with the topic
  :icon_e_wink:

I'll add myself just a fun-fact comment ... nothing to do with the topic either!  :icon_e_wink: :icon_lol:

THE FUNNY SIDE OF ELVIS - PART 1.wmv - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3ccaWp7sV4&feature=related)

^^ minute 03:15 - ELVIS: "I wear a bullet proof vest on stage! True! You know just in case a fool decides to take a 22 and blow my BELLY BUTTON  off ! That's the truth... I got his punch! son o' b__ch:icon_lol:

^^ Now leaving aside Elvis' funny sense of humor.... he often used to talk with his audience like that...telling stuff about him, his life... always joking (most probably nobody took him seriously at that time!). He also told them he was a Federal agent (the public laughed), he also told them he had a black karate belt (the public laughed, and when Elvis insisted it was the truth, they applauded him).
So in this case, again, he told them the TRUTH ! He was afraid for his life! He was in a constant fear for his life. Someone was threatening him! Elvis left a lot of clues to his fans before he faked his death! Too bad most of them never really understood his "jokes"!!


Sorry for the OFF-topic!  :icon_geek:
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on April 30, 2012, 03:13:33 PM
Hm. I always thought Sehf's posts were completely random (and they cracked me up a lot) maybe there is more to it!  :over-react-smiley:

 :LolLolLolLol: We don't know who anyone is on this forum, all we see is a username, not who is behind the screen. Watch what you saaaay!  :Michael_Jackson_smiley_by_red
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: SimPattyK on April 30, 2012, 06:26:31 PM
@MJFAN7: (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Respect/number-one-respect-953.gif)
Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: MJonmind on May 01, 2012, 04:18:37 AM
SEHF, you are rather mysterious and funny! :)

And you seem to like turtles:

(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee491/showemhowfunky/yeaaaawoohoooo1.jpg)

Simpa, interesting observations about SEHF's comment, "I have no belly button."

I noticed he posted "hehe" in this thread discussing if the strange producer Tommy Turtle might be MJ.

Who is Tommy Turtle?????? (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=20217.msg373858#msg373858)

The movie Mirror Mirror has the baron (Michael Lerner) wearing a turtle costume.
Mirror Mirror Baron's (Michael Lerner) Turtle Costume (http://www.icollector.com/Mirror-Mirror-Baron-s-Michael-Lerner-Turtle-Costume_i12464729)

Chappie
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Famous producer?
The Fall
Immortals
The Cell
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
Untitled Snow White

Tommy Turtle - IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1938115/)

Nothing on the guy.
Just this.
Tommy Turtle - Mobius Encyclopaedia - Sonic the Hedgehog Comics (http://archiesonic.wikia.com/wiki/Tommy_Turtle)

This caught my attention about Tommy Turtle since we've discussed if MJ is V in Anonymous:  (link above)
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Weeks later, Tommy began exhibiting unusual behaviour. At this point in time, Eggman's computer virus "son" A.D.A.M. had transferred his consciousness into the nanites to prevent himself from being deleted when Eggman discovered him to be the mysterious Anonymous. From there, A.D.A.M. initiated his plan to bring all of the Chaos Emeralds in the universe to Mobius where he would use their powers to defeat Eggman's enemies. A.D.A.M. used the nanites on Tommy to control his body and spread the nanites

Sorry about going further off topic... :icon_razz: :icon_rolleyes:




Title: Re: Jury Sees Naked Michael Jackson Photo: Why?
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on May 01, 2012, 10:13:51 PM
Guys, it is also very likely that Sehf is a regular believer just trying to investigate like all of us so I don't think we should start dissecting all his posts.. we should just let him do his own thing like we all are doing. :icon_e_smile:
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