Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
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MICHAEL JACKSON
Drug-Induced Rambling:
"I Had No Childhood" :(
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Michael Jackson wanted to dedicate his "This Is It" concerts to his children -- and in a heartbreaking conversation Dr. Conrad Murray recorded weeks before the singer died, MJ claims, "I love them because I didn't have a childhood."
You can hear MJ's voice in the recording -- slurred, incoherent -- explaining how he wanted to outdo The Beatles and Elvis with his final concerts, and go down in history as the greatest entertainer who ever lived.
Michael becomes extremely emotional while speaking about his children -- claiming, "I had no childhood. I feel their pain. I feel their hurt."
Murray recorded the conversation on his iPhone on Sunday May 10th, 2009 at 9:05 AM. It's unclear why -- but according to prosecutors, it documents MJ under the influence of "unknown agents." It also shows Murray was familiar with Michael in altered states of mind.
At one point in the clip, Murray asks Michael if he's okay -- and Michael responds, "I am asleep."
The recording -- a clip of which Prosecutor David Walgren played during his opening statement -- was uncovered by investigators after they seized Murray's device
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LOVE
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Does anyone here know how the speech of people under hypnosis sounds? Just wondering.
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Mmmmm........the more I hear this tape ,the more I think is Michael.And it's similar to his voice when he spoke to Brett Ratner:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8os7kO4OKQw&feature=related[/youtube]
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I'm slowly beginning to think it's him. Altered of course, but still him. Its the way he pronounces his words, I think.
As for the tape itself ... suspicious//
He wasn't intoxicated. His sentences are well thought out. You would think, if he was intoxicated, his sentences would be all over the place. But here he's talking about one thing, very specific, to the point.
Why has no one questioned this? The family, the reporters..
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Wow..that is sad but as I listened longer he starts to sound more coherent.
I mean when's the last time you heard someone "intoxicated" us the word degradation? lol
At some points he just sounds like he has something in his mouth and talks normal. hmmm
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This voice sounds sooooooo much like a stroke victim talking.....Hmmmm
Its not how he says it, its what he is trying to say....thats the clue.
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the amazing thing is that even under the influence of god knows what, michael's still talking about helping children, saving the planet, etc. I couldn't bring myself to listen to the whole thing. it's too sad.
but don't you think it's weird? I mean, I think he wants the world to see his true nature, and what a better way to do it with letting everyone hearing him talking about it when he's like this.
it's very, very clever when you think about it.
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I have no problems believing it's Michael, I love the speech - read it, it's lovely speech, complete and makes sense in so many ways. I met people who sound this way when they are about to sleep, no drugs or anything involved, just dead tired. I love this speech and that's about it..
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This is definitely Michael and it doesn't bother me at all. I know he was and is NOT a drug addict and there's a reason why they're making us listen these recordings. It's because of the message in it. What will the world think of him now? Even when he was drugged, he was thinking about the kids. This is about showing the world the real Michael Jackson.
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After listening to the full 4 minute audio today, I couldn't prevent a terrible theory from creeping in. The audio sounded, not like an intoxicated man (to many coherent thoughts...just sounded slowed down), but the contents sounded like someone who was saying goodbye. It sounded like the contents of someone who participated in assisted suicide. Why would Murray tape this? Was he going to use it to claim Michael asked him to help him kill himself? I could not keep this from creeping in my mind. Maybe I need grounding. It really sounded like Michael wanted certain things to be heard. It worried me. Sorry if it has been discussed. This trial is taking too much out of me.
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I'm slowly beginning to think it's him. Altered of course, but still him. Its the way he pronounces his words, I think.
As for the tape itself ... suspicious//
He wasn't intoxicated. His sentences are well thought out. You would think, if he was intoxicated, his sentences would be all over the place. But here he's talking about one thing, very specific, to the point.
Why has no one questioned this? The family, the reporters..
I totaly agree with you! I was thinking the same exact thing. When you're HIGHLY under the influence, you ramble about things that don't make any sense. In this one youtube video called "The lost voicemails" , MJ was a bit groggy/under the influence, byt he sounded NOTHING like the tapes that were played during trial today. Kinda makes you wonder. MJ in the youtube vid(lost voicemails) even admitted that he was a bit exhausted. So...again, he was somewhat in his right mind. This whole trial thing is SO confusing. I don't know what to believe anymore :'(
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Don Berrigan, former publicist for Jackson 5 says that the Audio recording sounds 'slowed down'.
Just incredible!
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I see what makes you think so belladonna, and while we of course do not know real Michael,
why would he do this? According to everyone who knew him personally and talked about him,
he loved life. He loved his kids more than everything, he was optimistic beyond belief
and always tried to concentrate on what's good.. He was not suicidal, he was full of Love and Life.
He was a fighter also. He was passionate about many things. Those who kill themselves
have no desires, no love, no passion, no optimism, just emptiness.
And yes, very likely he wanted the world to hear this. But very likely NOT because he
wanted to die!
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlarZeh9mMU[/youtube]
The MJ rambling recording reminds me of Marlon Brando in Godfather. rr/
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I believe 100% this is Michael talking...no doubt whatsoever. :|
I guess I am an odd duck because I was more so picking up on the background noises. You could clearly hear a fan blowing in the background (if Michael was always cold why would a fan be blowing?- space heaters don't make that much noise)
Second, you could hear a carbon dioxide detector beeping---seems insignificant, but when you think about it, it isn't heard beeping in the 911 call (says to me, they were not in that room when this recording was made)
Third, the recorder is clearly held closer to Michael than it is to Murray...(Michael's voice is more audible- stand's to reason he's holding the phone- so recording this was his idea)
Lastly, and this is the most bizarre part....Murray asks "are you okay?"...this question suggests Michael was in an "emotional state of mind", it's not a question a medical professional would ask in this situation if drugs were involved....they would say;
"How are you feeling?", "Are you in pain, or do you feeling pain?" "Do you know where you are?", "Do you know who I am?" - if he was under some form of intoxication or medication.
Michael clearly address' Conrad Murray in this speech--- he is fully aware of his surrounding, who he's talking to and is articulate.
I don't think he's "intoxicated" but more so upset/frustrated. He sounds like someone who's been up all night crying, is extremely tired and emotional. He's too coherent (clear of thought) to be under any "influence".
The Defense was adamant to state that this was recorded on a SUNDAY early in the morning (9:05 a.m.)--->not Murray's normal "medical" visit day, Why? because Michael was speaking to Murray as a friend, not a physician.
...this is what i hear when I listen to this. IMO ;)
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After listening to the full 4 minute audio today, I couldn't prevent a terrible theory from creeping in. The audio sounded, not like an intoxicated man (to many coherent thoughts...just sounded slowed down), but the contents sounded like someone who was saying goodbye. It sounded like the contents of someone who participated in assisted suicide. Why would Murray tape this? Was he going to use it to claim Michael asked him to help him kill himself? I could not keep this from creeping in my mind. Maybe I need grounding. It really sounded like Michael wanted certain things to be heard. It worried me. Sorry if it has been discussed. This trial is taking too much out of me.
I don't think he was suicidal...but I can see how it would appear that way. But I do think he was frustrated and extemely emotional. He sounds like he was overwhelmed because he wanted so much for his dream to be realized and he had a lot riding on this playing out perfectly.
I say this because I used to work as a grief counselor. This conversation has the tone of someone extremely tired and in an very emotional state. He pauses to think about what he's saying (reflection), he slurring (indicative of extreme fatigue), he's talking about his hopes and desires (emotional revelation).
If taken out of context, to a casual listener this would sound like the rantings of an "intoxicated person"....but it's not. It's a plea for help, for understanding, to vent frustration....not a death wish.
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After listening to the full 4 minute audio today, I couldn't prevent a terrible theory from creeping in. The audio sounded, not like an intoxicated man (to many coherent thoughts...just sounded slowed down), but the contents sounded like someone who was saying goodbye. It sounded like the contents of someone who participated in assisted suicide. Why would Murray tape this? Was he going to use it to claim Michael asked him to help him kill himself? I could not keep this from creeping in my mind. Maybe I need grounding. It really sounded like Michael wanted certain things to be heard. It worried me. Sorry if it has been discussed. This trial is taking too much out of me.
I don't think he would commit suicide because of his children. He loved them too much to put them through that.
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I believe 100% this is Michael talking...no doubt whatsoever. :|
I guess I am an odd duck because I was more so picking up on the background noises. You could clearly hear a fan blowing in the background (if Michael was always cold why would a fan be blowing?- space heaters don't make that much noise)
I thought it sounded like a helicopter noise or something.
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I believe 100% this is Michael talking...no doubt whatsoever. :|
I guess I am an odd duck because I was more so picking up on the background noises. You could clearly hear a fan blowing in the background (if Michael was always cold why would a fan be blowing?- space heaters don't make that much noise)
I thought it sounded like a helicopter noise or something.
I was literally just typing that it sounded like a helicopter! Which I guess is like a really big fan, LOL.
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This voice sounds sooooooo much like a stroke victim talking.....Hmmmm
Its not how he says it, its what he is trying to say....thats the clue.
I agree and have said this on another thread, it does sound like is a stroke victim, but how would that play into this Hoax? Unless this isn't really Michael, but a Michael impersonator who had a stroke and was dying, and Conrad was actually looking after him, not Michael...Did Conrad help a dying impersonator end his life,and did the impersonator record this message FOR Michael??....I don't know...
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I don't believe Michael was suicidal. He is a fighter, never giving up - no matter what. Michael will be trying to heal the planet and save all children until the day he dies. The raw emotion and pain you could hear was just heartbreaking though.
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When I first heard this recording last week I wasn't sure it was Michael, but now I'm convinced it It's Michael but his voice is altered somehow, either the tape it doctored or Michael was acting somehow. I also head a lot of background noise on the tape, glad I'm not the only one and wonder what it could be. I thought that perhaps it's some kind of medical device/medical machine. Like a breathing machine or something like that.
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With Murray murmuring agreement, Jackson referred to the children of the world as “angels” and said, “God wants me to do it. I’m gonna do it, Conrad.”
Murray replied, “I know you would.”
That's kind of a strange way for Murray to answer that statement isn't it? You would think he would say - I know you will.
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I've had HLN on in the background all evening (BTW it's channel 77 where I am - no joke) and what irks me is they've played this recording over and over and over again and they just get mad at Murray for recording it and saying Michael was so drugged up but nobody mentions WHAT Michael was talking about and what is obviously important to him. Taking care and giving hope to sick children by building the greatest hospital for children ever. I literally have not heard anyone say a single thing about that and if they did, I missed it. And like others have said on this forum - these are not the "ramblings" of someone stoned out of their mind.
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This is definitely Michael and it doesn't bother me at all. I know he was and is NOT a drug addict and there's a reason why they're making us listen these recordings. It's because of the message in it. What will the world think of him now? Even when he was drugged, he was thinking about the kids. This is about showing the world the real Michael Jackson.
Alleluia... You got it.. The article said incoherent? Yeah right.. think again.. Every word he said made sense.. If he slurped his words, it is for a reason, a reason to prove that it is part of the hoax. Incoherent means, when you are drunk and you do not finish your words, and you do not know what you are saying. You are out of context. Instead Michael made sense, he wanted to help the children in hospitals because they do not have a movie theater, nor a game room they are all alone.. Now for me this is and Intelligent, and humanitarian man.. I wonder why Murray taped Michael's conversation. Was it Michael's idea.. By the way I can talk like Michael too, I can slurp my words without being drugged, or drunk.. lolol/ Michael is alive..
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This is definitely Michael and it doesn't bother me at all. I know he was and is NOT a drug addict and there's a reason why they're making us listen these recordings. It's because of the message in it. What will the world think of him now? Even when he was drugged, he was thinking about the kids. This is about showing the world the real Michael Jackson.
Alleluia... You got it.. The article said incoherent? Yeah right.. think again.. Every word he said made sense.. If he slurped his words, it is for a reason, a reason to prove that it is part of the hoax. Incoherent means, when you are drunk and you do not finish your words, and you do not know what you are saying. You are out of context. Instead Michael made sense, he wanted to help the children in hospitals because they do not have a movie theater, nor a game room they are all alone.. Now for me this is and Intelligent, and humanitarian man.. I wonder why Murray taped Michael's conversation. Was it Michael's idea.. By the way I can talk like Michael too, I can slurp my words without being drugged, or drunk.. lolol/ Michael is alive..
So totally agree. Whatever has caused this MJ is still lucid.
Here's what else I think. It is clear there are no suicidal thoughts. He says "my children go around with no mother". He would never intentionally leave them with no father too. His presence is all the more important due to no mother and I think he was sharply aware of it.
I also think Murray was giving something more to Michael without Michaels knowledge. Murray taped the dialogue because he knew there would be a court case later. Murray did it so that his defense could use it to demonstrate Michaels alleged drug addiction and thus place the blame squarely on Michaels shoulders.This would explain the sudden rapid decline Jermaine noticed.
When it looked like Michael was actually going to pull off the TII tour I think Murray made a money deal with the powers that be to prevent Michael from performing at any cost. Jermaine said MJ was healthy and excited up until 3 weeks before June 25th when he then seriously deteriorated. What was Murray doing to him? After all Murray wanted 5 mill didn't he?
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I've had HLN on in the background all evening (BTW it's channel 77 where I am - no joke) and what irks me is they've played this recording over and over and over again and they just get mad at Murray for recording it and saying Michael was so drugged up but nobody mentions WHAT Michael was talking about and what is obviously important to him. Taking care and giving hope to sick children by building the greatest hospital for children ever. I literally have not heard anyone say a single thing about that and if they did, I missed it. And like others have said on this forum - these are not the "ramblings" of someone stoned out of their mind.
Yup...for the most part, that's all they've been talking about. Not about the 'message'...that went right over their heads....instead, it's been about how much of a drug 'problem' MJ had. I held out a bit of hope today when I heard Jane's comments...about the tape being Mike's ultimate vindication...this coming from someone who was not so 'nice' to Mike over the years. It was like a revelation for her...and 'better late than never' truly is better than never at all...especially when it comes to people finally getting to know who MJ really was all along. But that glimmer of hope has been lost listening to the rest of the coverage.
What gets me...is that they change their opinions like the changing of the wind. One minute it's his fault for dying cause he was a 'junkie' (Disgrace's word), the next minute they blame Murray cause a doctor should have known better....one minute he's a child molester, then he's not cause they hear a 4 minute tape. And the best is they really believe that he's dead and they believe he's stoned out of his mind in that tape...and yet, they sit there laughingly trying to speculate on how fast they'd be 'knocked out' if they took just one Lorazepam. Pathetic.
These are people given the title of "investigative journalists"??? What are they investigating? Have any of them 'investigated' whether or not the tape has been altered? Not one of them has...yet, they accept it and spread it as truth. Why? Cause it was played in a courtroom? Unfortunately, a courtroom is the last place anyone should be looking in for truth. They mock 'conspiracy theories'...just the other day, they had a good laugh at beLIEvers. Have they 'investigated' any of the claims? Have any of them 'investigated' the 'death' and all the discrepancies with every witness that takes the stand? Not one of them has...cause if they did they'd be asking a whole lot of questions instead of sounding like 'gossip-starved' morons. And the masses gobble it all up.
I've lost all hope in just about every form of TV media....but my hope and faith in Mike has peaked. And when that wake-up call does come, it's gonna finally shut them all up for good.
With L.O.V.E. always.
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I've had HLN on in the background all evening (BTW it's channel 77 where I am - no joke) and what irks me is they've played this recording over and over and over again and they just get mad at Murray for recording it and saying Michael was so drugged up but nobody mentions WHAT Michael was talking about and what is obviously important to him. Taking care and giving hope to sick children by building the greatest hospital for children ever. I literally have not heard anyone say a single thing about that and if they did, I missed it. And like others have said on this forum - these are not the "ramblings" of someone stoned out of their mind.
There was a conversation during Jane, Nancy Grace, and showbiz guy about the content of the recording, how MJ cared about children, did not have childhood, etc.
And I agree with majority memb. here; no one realizes that Michael sounds weird, but his speech coherently summarizes specific subject that he talks about, that he is aware of what was going on, even that he was being recorded I think.
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/pull hair/ i will continue believe it fake unless i see more proof, and i can't stand listening to it
Just like Freddie Mercury once said "There talking from here"
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIEyOq0lXS4[/youtube]
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Now that I have also seen the transcript of this, a couple of things stood out to me:
- that beep we talked about comes right on the word "money"...almost as if it's a marker
- the way he refers to "my show" it sounds like he is talking about TII concert. But really, I don't think he is. I think he is referring "my show" to the hoax. I don't think Michael would ever call his concerts "my show".....this, right here is his show. The Greatest Show on Earth.......here is a quote from an old post of mine from June 2010:
"Somewhere I read that some portion of proceeds will go to charity. What if.......
he bams, and all the proceeds go to charity? Wouldn't that be the single largest charity donation in the history of mankind? He said he wanted to be in the Guinness World Book of Records. What better thing to be listed for than the largest charity gift ever.......sounds like Michael!"
Given what we now know was on his mind...the whole Neverland-to-children's hospital makes even more sense. It would take this kind of sum to make that happen.
It does all sound so real.....but don't forget where they are: Hollywood...anything is possible. However, I do worry about the stroke angle of it all.....I have been around stroke-speech and it's very similar....also, I think Lupus is known to have speech problems...hard to figure this one.
Blessings
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@WishingStar...I agree that there's a double meaning on 'show'...in fact, I think there's several layers of meaning to the whole 'message'. I also think that when he says 'his children'...he doesn't necessarily just mean Prince, Paris, and Blanket. The whole thing extends way beyond what is being 'heard'....in order to get the 'big picture' purpose behind what he's trying to tell us...we have to truly 'listen'. He's thrown a monKEY wrench in it :lol: (the slurring/slowed speech)...but that's just smoke and mirrors.
I absolutely love what he says in the tape...even though I don't understand all of it yet (like why he mentions the US, Europe and Prague...there's gotta be a reason why he lists them). And if we believe this tape was from May 10 and we believe that he was really rehearsing in June...then that rules out 'assisted suicide' and a 'stroke'...at least if you believe it's Mike on the tape (I believe it is just based on his pronounciation of 'world'). And when you factor in the 'coincidental' numerology embedded within the tape...there's no doubt in my mind that Mike is alive and well...and has a very good reason for putting this tape out there.
With L.O.V.E. always.
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It is Michael.
Elvis mentioning was interesting.
It was also interesting he says "God wants me to do it".
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Here is the transcript
Jackson: “Elvis didn’t do it. Beatles didn’t do it.
We have to be phenomenal. When people leave this show, when people leave my show, I want them to say, I’ve never seen nothing like this in my life.
Go. Go. I’ve never seen nothing like this. Go. It’s amazing. He’s the greatest entertainer in the world. I’m taking that money, a million children, children’s hospital, the biggest in the world. Michael Jackson Children’s Hospital. Gonna have a movie theater, game room.
Children are depressed. The — in those hospitals, no game room, no movie theater. They’re sick because they’re depressed. Their mind is depressing them. I want to give them that. I care about them, them angels. God wants me to do it. God wants me to do it. I’m gonna do it, Conrad.”
Murray: “I know you would.”
Jackson: “Don’t have enough hope, no more hope. That’s the next generation that’s gonna save our planet, starting with — we’ll talk about it. United States. Europe. Prague, my babies. They walk around with no mother. They drop them off, they leave — a psychological degradation of that. They reach out to me — please take me with you.”
Murray: “Mmnh-mmmh.”
Jackson: “I want to do that for them.”
Murray: “Mmnh-mmnh.”
Jackson: “I’m gonna do that for them. That will be remembered more than my performances. My performances will be up there helping my children and always be my dream. I love them. I love them because I didn’t have a childhood. I had no childhood. I feel their pain. I feel their hurt. I can deal with it. ‘Heal the World.’ ‘We Are the World.’ ‘Will You Be There.’ ‘The Lost Children.’ These are the songs I’ve written because I hurt, you know, I hurt.”
Thirteen seconds of silence.
Murray: “You OK?”
Eight seconds of silence.
Jackson: “I am asleep.”
I think what he is saying is, he;s referring to ALL children, not just his own. he was always visiting sick children and I truly feel he wants to help everyone. He seemed depressed. Wouldn't you be?
The media had this poor man portrayed as a child molester. he was made fun of, every single day..it was pure racism. "Oh he's bleaching his skin, he doesn't want to be black anymore, he wants to be white"...nobody believed that he had vitilago (sp). That wasn't proven until "after his death" supposedly.
I'm a victim of bullying, my daughter is a bullying victim, I feel his pain. I don't think he was "drugged" up...I feel he was probably on a sleeping sedative..I take them and I talk the same way when I'm groggy, my husband says I "ramble" which is what he was doing. I take zanax as well and that makes me groggy and loopy but I have an anxiety disorder. I do NOT think this gentle man was taking multiple drugs and if he was, he didn't do it on his own. I think Murray was mixing up a cocktail. Why?
I believe he recorded Michael as blackmail to be used later on...if in fact Michael wasn't aware of the recording. Murray is all about money...cmon the guy was seen over the weekend buying 185.00 TIES. he wanted 5 MILLION dollars to be MJ's doctor. Are you kidding me? He's out for money.
I feel he wanted to blackmail him later on if the money never came through or to get more money.
That's Mike on that recording, no doubt about that, but is that a message to US, his fans or was he even aware he was being recorded and was just rambling on trying to fall asleep?
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I wouldn't be surprised in the least if it turns out that Murray is, in fact, an FBI agent....as well as some other 'witnesses' we've seen so far.
He's supposedly an out-of-work doctor, racking up huge debt for a defense team, who can't afford child support for his 7 or 8 (lost count) supposed children from different mothers (they always have to add that :roll: )....yet, no one wonders or questions how this guy manages to travel to Disney (let alone purchase a day pass), nor how he can afford all these sharp (and expensive) looking suits and ties...not to mention a pedicure :lol: .
Murray, whoever he is...has a steady paycheck coming from somewhere. It's either coming from MJ or from whoever hired him to kill MJ....or he's 'undercover'.
With L.O.V.E. always.
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This voice sounds sooooooo much like a stroke victim talking.....Hmmmm
Its not how he says it, its what he is trying to say....thats the clue.
Yeah, I agree. Mentioned that on the first thread regarding this recording last week. Sounds similar to someone who has had a stroke, having had family members (including my child) suffer one of these. It also sounds like someone who is being put under as well. I remember a couple of years ago someone posted a short vid supposedly of Michael a few months after June 2009 who looked as if he had had a stroke by the way he moved or something like that. Can't remember fully, as it was awhile ago.
I know some people think he could of been suicidal, I have to say I don't hear that. His sentences and thoughts gravity towards helping those in need (children) as well as addressing depression amongest kids and wanting to do something about it. That doesn't sound like someone on the brink of suicide. If there was ever a time when suicide would of been an option (not that I am saying he considered this during that moment), would of been through the molestation trial. That in my opinion killed Michael's spirit, yet he fought through it.
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This voice sounds sooooooo much like a stroke victim talking.....Hmmmm
Its not how he says it, its what he is trying to say....thats the clue.
Yeah, I agree. Mentioned that on the first thread regarding this recording last week. Sounds similar to someone who has had a stroke, having had family members (including my child) suffer one of these. It also sounds like someone who is being put under as well. I remember a couple of years ago someone posted a short vid supposedly of Michael a few months after June 2009 who looked as if he had had a stroke by the way he moved or something like that. Can't remember fully, as it was awhile ago.
I know some people think he could of been suicidal, I have to say I don't hear that. His sentences and thoughts gravity towards helping those in need (children) as well as addressing depression amongest kids and wanting to do something about it. That doesn't sound like someone on the brink of suicide. If there was ever a time when suicide would of been an option (not that I am saying he considered this during that moment), would of been through the molestation trial. That in my opinion killed Michael's spirit, yet he fought through it.
It has been said before that MJ could have nearly died, and suffered some sort of brain damage, but to the world, he has asked to pretend that he is dead instead. Could this be possible, and could it be possible that this tape was made after 25th June 2009 instead.? CM did have 2 iphones...Hmmmmmmmm. Too much to digest right now.
I have managed to speed up his "ramblings" using Quicktime, but have to work out how to save it and post it for you guys....I listened to it at a faster speed and it doesn't really sound like MJ at all...God Bless you all
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@2good2btrue , And how do you know how a stroke victim sounds like?? >:( maybe next time you can think before you wrote something like that,plz!
BUT you are right about,What he says is a clue. the tape sound script,and in some point you can hear Michael voice change to normal.
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I totally agree with everyone who said that WHAT he says is completely coherent and well thought out. It simply doesn't make sense to say this man was on drugs, his speech slurring extremely, and yet he was able to speak in full and coherent sentences. Doesn't make ANY sense at all. Tampered with, I'd say. Anyway, why on earth was Murray recording Michael?
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Here is the transcript
Jackson: “Elvis didn’t do it. Beatles didn’t do it.
We have to be phenomenal. When people leave this show, when people leave my show, I want them to say, I’ve never seen nothing like this in my life.
Go. Go. I’ve never seen nothing like this. Go. It’s amazing. He’s the greatest entertainer in the world. I’m taking that money, a million children, children’s hospital, the biggest in the world. Michael Jackson Children’s Hospital. Gonna have a movie theater, game room.
Children are depressed. The — in those hospitals, no game room, no movie theater. They’re sick because they’re depressed. Their mind is depressing them. I want to give them that. I care about them, them angels. God wants me to do it. God wants me to do it. I’m gonna do it, Conrad.”
Murray: “I know you would.”
Jackson: “Don’t have enough hope, no more hope. That’s the next generation that’s gonna save our planet, starting with — we’ll talk about it. United States. Europe. Prague, my babies. They walk around with no mother. They drop them off, they leave — a psychological degradation of that. They reach out to me — please take me with you.”
Murray: “Mmnh-mmmh.”
Jackson: “I want to do that for them.”
Murray: “Mmnh-mmnh.”
Jackson: “I’m gonna do that for them. That will be remembered more than my performances. My performances will be up there helping my children and always be my dream. I love them. I love them because I didn’t have a childhood. I had no childhood. I feel their pain. I feel their hurt. I can deal with it. ‘Heal the World.’ ‘We Are the World.’ ‘Will You Be There.’ ‘The Lost Children.’ These are the songs I’ve written because I hurt, you know, I hurt.”
Thirteen seconds of silence.
Murray: “You OK?”
Eight seconds of silence.
Jackson: “I am asleep.”
I think what he is saying is, he;s referring to ALL children, not just his own. he was always visiting sick children and I truly feel he wants to help everyone. He seemed depressed. Wouldn't you be?
The media had this poor man portrayed as a child molester. he was made fun of, every single day..it was pure racism. "Oh he's bleaching his skin, he doesn't want to be black anymore, he wants to be white"...nobody believed that he had vitilago (sp). That wasn't proven until "after his death" supposedly.
I'm a victim of bullying, my daughter is a bullying victim, I feel his pain. I don't think he was "drugged" up...I feel he was probably on a sleeping sedative..I take them and I talk the same way when I'm groggy, my husband says I "ramble" which is what he was doing. I take zanax as well and that makes me groggy and loopy but I have an anxiety disorder. I do NOT think this gentle man was taking multiple drugs and if he was, he didn't do it on his own. I think Murray was mixing up a cocktail. Why?
I believe he recorded Michael as blackmail to be used later on...if in fact Michael wasn't aware of the recording. Murray is all about money...cmon the guy was seen over the weekend buying 185.00 TIES. he wanted 5 MILLION dollars to be MJ's doctor. Are you kidding me? He's out for money.
I feel he wanted to blackmail him later on if the money never came through or to get more money.
That's Mike on that recording, no doubt about that, but is that a message to US, his fans or was he even aware he was being recorded and was just rambling on trying to fall asleep?
fatalkiss . where did you get the photo on the left for your signature?
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Yes the message in this is definitely very strong and not made by a person who is heavily drugged.
The parallels with Elvis and The Beatles is really interesting and I think a BIG clue to us. Elvis faked his death but didn't come back and there were all the rumours that Paul McCartney did it - but turns out he didn't....... MJ will be the 1st one to do this and everything that goes/has gone with it and he will WOW the world and it will be phenomenal!
The thought processes are too coherent...it's just the voice which sounds not right.....as someone somewhere here today said...it sounds very nasally, like he is holding his nose whilst he speaks and that he is speaking intentionally slowly.
It was hard and sad to listen to, but this is all about Michael's deep love and concern for children and how he wants to help sick, poor and underpriviledged children.
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MJ was coherent, not in the way he spoke, but in what he said....I think this recording was to show people he is human and where his heart lies...after hearing this recording I'm sure people felt sorry for MJ especially when he talked about his childhood and how he was hurting...also in my opinion this recording gave the trial a boast in PR and maybe people will start watching it or paying more attention to MJ and the message he was trying to send forth.
In the chat yesterday there was talk about the recording and itsher pointed out that the background of Frank's phone call and this MJ phone call had the same background (helicopter sound).
http://www.tmz.com/2011/10/05/people-vs-dr-conrad-murray-investigators-testify-iphone-slurred-recording-michael-jackson-stephen-marx/#.To2rRskk6so (http://www.tmz.com/2011/10/05/people-vs-dr-conrad-murray-investigators-testify-iphone-slurred-recording-michael-jackson-stephen-marx/#.To2rRskk6so) (FRANK PHONE CALL)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJowAUHTxOM&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJowAUHTxOM&feature=player_embedded) (MJ CALL)
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In my opinion, of course, this recording is a part of the show. For the first time since his "death" we can clearly hear what is the main purpose of "The Greatest Show on Earth"! We can hear it in Michael's own words!
Besides, I think it's a very clever and intelligent thing to do - the late artist, speaks nearly from behind the grave so everybody's gonna listen carefully to his message! And his message is the strongest message ever! People will be listening to it, they must listen to it. They must start thinking and that's the biggest achievement of this genius! bow/ bow/ bow/
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This is definitely Michael and it doesn't bother me at all. I know he was and is NOT a drug addict and there's a reason why they're making us listen these recordings. It's because of the message in it. What will the world think of him now? Even when he was drugged, he was thinking about the kids. This is about showing the world the real Michael Jackson.
Alleluia... You got it.. The article said incoherent? Yeah right.. think again.. Every word he said made sense.. If he slurped his words, it is for a reason, a reason to prove that it is part of the hoax. Incoherent means, when you are drunk and you do not finish your words, and you do not know what you are saying. You are out of context. Instead Michael made sense, he wanted to help the children in hospitals because they do not have a movie theater, nor a game room they are all alone.. Now for me this is and Intelligent, and humanitarian man.. I wonder why Murray taped Michael's conversation. Was it Michael's idea.. By the way I can talk like Michael too, I can slurp my words without being drugged, or drunk.. lolol/ Michael is alive..
So totally agree. Whatever has caused this MJ is still lucid.
Here's what else I think. It is clear there are no suicidal thoughts. He says "my children go around with no mother". He would never intentionally leave them with no father too. His presence is all the more important due to no mother and I think he was sharply aware of it.
I also think Murray was giving something more to Michael without Michaels knowledge. Murray taped the dialogue because he knew there would be a court case later. Murray did it so that his defense could use it to demonstrate Michaels alleged drug addiction and thus place the blame squarely on Michaels shoulders.This would explain the sudden rapid decline Jermaine noticed.
When it looked like Michael was actually going to pull off the TII tour I think Murray made a money deal with the powers that be to prevent Michael from performing at any cost. Jermaine said MJ was healthy and excited up until 3 weeks before June 25th when he then seriously deteriorated. What was Murray doing to him? After all Murray wanted 5 mill didn't he?
Funny you are talking about money, My friend told me, how about Murray demanded more money and Michael said no, so he decided to do something to him. I think he called Jermaine, and he saved Michael ... There is much more then meet the eye.. Now we all know Michael is alive, how did he pull this off if Murray wanted to kill him? It is strange I have friends in all professions, except in police force.. Well I had my uncle who was commander in the police force, unfortunetaly he passed 22 yrs ago.. He would have been the perfect person to find out what happened. I hope he can give me a sign somehow from heaven. blessings.
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fatalkiss . where did you get the photo on the left for your signature?
Google..its this pic reversed
<img src="http://www.orbwallpaper.com/download/578/wallpaper-michael-jackson-7078685-1024-768.jpg">
Was looking at different photos, this one caught my eye for some weird reason...the star I took right after Michael died when we went to Hollywood
I don't know who else has been to Hollywood, but where Michael's star in on Hollywood's Walk of Fame is right near the Kodak and there is a mall there...and what does the mall have?
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/fatalkiss/hollywood2.png">
ELEPHANTS!!!!!!!!!
lolol/
I was browsing my hard drive and found it right after I took the star pic...thought it was coincidence :)
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Aidan81:
I see what makes you think so belladonna, and while we of course do not know real Michael,
why would he do this? According to everyone who knew him personally and talked about him,
he loved life. He loved his kids more than everything, he was optimistic beyond belief
and always tried to concentrate on what's good.. He was not suicidal, he was full of Love and Life.
He was a fighter also. He was passionate about many things. Those who kill themselves
have no desires, no love, no passion, no optimism, just emptiness.
And yes, very likely he wanted the world to hear this. But very likely NOT because he
wanted to die!
Belladonna and alfarle what's up with this negativity girls ???/ ??? Please try to think,Aidan is right Michael LOVES LIFE and he will never leave THE CHILDREN alone.Here is what Michael told Frank 8-): He said,
“Frank, do you think I would do something that would jeopardize my kids and leave them alone? Don’t be ridiculous.” ;)
So is nothing to worry, Michael is fine and this is just a BIG CIRCUS mj_bad/!! It's going to be a BAD day and you're both invited,ok :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:?????
(http://www.nashvillescene.com/imager/an-invitation-to-a-preview-of-bad-followed-by-dinner-at-jacksons-home/b/big/1486724/a7ab/DSC_0015.jpg)
LOVE
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fatalkiss . where did you get the photo on the left for your signature?
Google..its this pic reversed
<img src="http://www.orbwallpaper.com/download/578/wallpaper-michael-jackson-7078685-1024-768.jpg">
Was looking at different photos, this one caught my eye for some weird reason...the star I took right after Michael died when we went to Hollywood
I don't know who else has been to Hollywood, but where Michael's star in on Hollywood's Walk of Fame is right near the Kodak and there is a mall there...and what does the mall have?
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/fatalkiss/hollywood2.png">
ELEPHANTS!!!!!!!!!
lolol/
I was browsing my hard drive and found it right after I took the star pic...thought it was coincidence :)
Fatalkiss26 thank you for this post!!! Michael loves elephants for sure,lol lolol/
(http://i54.tinypic.com/25ugt4z.jpg)
(http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lin5vxNWbh1qb9vkco1_500.jpg)
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lk0yh8h8xG1qb9vkco1_500.jpg)
(http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2009/07/ElephantGrtty_450x300.jpg)
(http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/1/8/5/7/1/2/1/MJ-and-Omer-on-one-of-Michaels-elephants-10685587948.jpeg)
(http://dancingwiththeelephant.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/mjblog_2a3.jpg)
(http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/5434/1141555-elephants_super.png)
(http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Circus+Elephants+Arrive+Staples+Center+Hours+lrNekFroB6gl.jpg)
(http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Circus+Elephants+Arrive+Staples+Center+Hours+WIhWT3vAeLCl.jpg)
(http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef011570dfc5cd970c-800wi) :lol:
LOVE
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I thought it was rather weird how the placement of his star on the Hollywood walk of fame is close to where the elephants are, there are a few of them spread out in the courtyard of that mall...the star has been there for years and not sure when the mall was put in, but his star is only a few yards away from the MANN Chinese Theatre too.
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fatalkiss . where did you get the photo on the left for your signature?
Google..its this pic reversed
<img src="http://www.orbwallpaper.com/download/578/wallpaper-michael-jackson-7078685-1024-768.jpg">
Was looking at different photos, this one caught my eye for some weird reason...the star I took right after Michael died when we went to Hollywood
I don't know who else has been to Hollywood, but where Michael's star in on Hollywood's Walk of Fame is right near the Kodak and there is a mall there...and what does the mall have?
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/fatalkiss/hollywood2.png">
ELEPHANTS!!!!!!!!!
lolol/
I was browsing my hard drive and found it right after I took the star pic...thought it was coincidence :)
Fatalkiss26 thank you for this post!!! Michael loves elephants for sure,lol lolol/
(http://i54.tinypic.com/25ugt4z.jpg)
(http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lin5vxNWbh1qb9vkco1_500.jpg)
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lk0yh8h8xG1qb9vkco1_500.jpg)
(http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2009/07/ElephantGrtty_450x300.jpg)
(http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/1/8/5/7/1/2/1/MJ-and-Omer-on-one-of-Michaels-elephants-10685587948.jpeg)
(http://dancingwiththeelephant.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/mjblog_2a3.jpg)
(http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/5434/1141555-elephants_super.png)
(http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Circus+Elephants+Arrive+Staples+Center+Hours+lrNekFroB6gl.jpg)
(http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Circus+Elephants+Arrive+Staples+Center+Hours+WIhWT3vAeLCl.jpg)
(http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef011570dfc5cd970c-800wi) :lol:
LOVE
/bravo/
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This is definitely Michael and it doesn't bother me at all. I know he was and is NOT a drug addict and there's a reason why they're making us listen these recordings. It's because of the message in it. What will the world think of him now? Even when he was drugged, he was thinking about the kids. This is about showing the world the real Michael Jackson.
I totally agree PureLove,there is no way he was drugged up,while speaking these beautiful and sincere thoughts.I think this was all planned,and the message is what he wants people to focus on.Have u noticed that the media is starting to be sympathetic,towards M.J now.What a beautiful,loving,wonderful man u are Micheal, i love u with all my heart baby,cant wait to see u again.
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Another option (as MJonmind mentioned):
What if Michael was being hypnotized?
My Aunt has been hypnotized quite a few times and has had them taped for her. I have heard them and the speech sounds identical.
Also remember that Uri has done it to Michael in the past so it's not like it's too far of a fetch. Also if you listen to Murray, he's very soft spoken. Now of course that could just be a part of who he is but again that sounds identical as to how the male sounds in my Aunts recordings. We don't know what they meaning Michael and Murray were talking about before this recording and we don't know if he asked Michael a question to get him to go onto his little speech. That's something I would be interested in finding out.
Just a thought if nothing else.
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Another option (as MJonmind mentioned):
What if Michael was being hypnotized?
My Aunt has been hypnotized quite a few times and has had them taped for her. I have heard them and the speech sounds identical.
Also remember that Uri has done it to Michael in the past so it's not like it's too far of a fetch. Also if you listen to Murray, he's very soft spoken. Now of course that could just be a part of who he is but again that sounds identical as to how the male sounds in my Aunts recordings. We don't know what they meaning Michael and Murray were talking about before this recording and we don't know if he asked Michael a question to get him to go onto his little speech. That's something I would be interested in finding out.
Just a thought if nothing else.
That is definitely not a far-fetched theory Mish. That is possible. I have never heard of someone speaking while he is hypnotized. Do the way of speaking change when you are hypnotized?
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Another option (as MJonmind mentioned):
What if Michael was being hypnotized?
My Aunt has been hypnotized quite a few times and has had them taped for her. I have heard them and the speech sounds identical.
Also remember that Uri has done it to Michael in the past so it's not like it's too far of a fetch. Also if you listen to Murray, he's very soft spoken. Now of course that could just be a part of who he is but again that sounds identical as to how the male sounds in my Aunts recordings. We don't know what they meaning Michael and Murray were talking about before this recording and we don't know if he asked Michael a question to get him to go onto his little speech. That's something I would be interested in finding out.
Just a thought if nothing else.
That is definitely not a far-fetched theory Mish. That is possible. I have never heard of someone speaking while he is hypnotized. Do the way of speaking change when you are hypnotized?
Yes it sounds identical! I can only speak for my Aunts case but considering she has been hypnotized by several people and she sounds the same each time like in a drug state slur, I'm not ruling this out.
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I wouldn't be surprised in the least if it turns out that Murray is, in fact, an FBI agent....as well as some other 'witnesses' we've seen so far.
He's supposedly an out-of-work doctor, racking up huge debt for a defense team, who can't afford child support for his 7 or 8 (lost count) supposed children from different mothers (they always have to add that :roll: )....yet, no one wonders or questions how this guy manages to travel to Disney (let alone purchase a day pass), nor how he can afford all these sharp (and expensive) looking suits and ties...not to mention a pedicure :lol: .
Murray, whoever he is...has a steady paycheck coming from somewhere. It's either coming from MJ or from whoever hired him to kill MJ....or he's 'undercover'.
With L.O.V.E. always.
I never would have thought about it like this....You could be right. CM's name isn't even CM. It's Earl Robert something. So what if he is undercover. What if MJ did know that someone was trying to kill him? He could have paid Murray to set this whole hoax up to make it look like someone was after him....especially the illuminati since MJ spoke against them....Makes you wonder. :) It's always good to stay open minded and think outside the box. ::P
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I wouldn't be surprised in the least if it turns out that Murray is, in fact, an FBI agent....as well as some other 'witnesses' we've seen so far.
He's supposedly an out-of-work doctor, racking up huge debt for a defense team, who can't afford child support for his 7 or 8 (lost count) supposed children from different mothers (they always have to add that :roll: )....yet, no one wonders or questions how this guy manages to travel to Disney (let alone purchase a day pass), nor how he can afford all these sharp (and expensive) looking suits and ties...not to mention a pedicure :lol: .
Murray, whoever he is...has a steady paycheck coming from somewhere. It's either coming from MJ or from whoever hired him to kill MJ....or he's 'undercover'.
With L.O.V.E. always.
I never would have thought about it like this....You could be right. CM's name isn't even CM. It's Earl Robert something. So what if he is undercover. What if MJ did know that someone was trying to kill him? He could have paid Murray to set this whole hoax up to make it look like someone was after him....especially the illuminati since MJ spoke against them....Makes you wonder. :) It's always good to stay open minded and think outside the box. ::P
His name is Conrad Robert Murray :)!!!!!
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@2good2btrue , And how do you know how a stroke victim sounds like?? >:( maybe next time you can think before you wrote something like that,plz!
BUT you are right about,What he says is a clue. the tape sound script,and in some point you can hear Michael voice change to normal.
I am a Home, community and disabilty worker......and have worked and assisted many older people and younger people WITH DISABILITIES AND THOSE WHO HAVE HAD A STROKE...SORRY, BUT I AM REALLY OFFENDED BY THAT COMMENT.............I ALSO AM A RECOVERING ALCOHOLIC AND HAD BEEN FOR 20 YEARS......AND ....IF YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT I KNOW, I ALSO HAVE BEEN IN THE MEDICAL FIELD FOR 20 YEARS, HAVE SUFFERED BULIMEA, ANOREXIA, AND HAVE HAD A PAIN KILLER DRUG ADDICTION.....AND IF THAT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU ALL........MY MOTHER DIED OF LUPUS WHEN I WAS 15 YEARS OLD..........I HOPE THAT COVERS EVERYTHING.....OH HANG ON, I AM A SINGLE MOTHER AND AM 46 YEARS OLD, AND HAVE SEEN MANY DEAD BODIES.........OOOOOPS....NOW I'M BRAGGING. GOD BLESS
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Please don't fight :) There's no need to, I know we're all a bit frustrated and all have the question what happend to Michael June 25th 2009. No need for personal attacks right? :)
( 2good2btrue I'm so sorry for your past! But you know everyone rights there own script of life (every soul before they go into a body) You've gone through all of this for a reason, maybe you know the reason, maybe it will become clear to you after a while I don't know, but I'm sure that those things you've went through made you to the loving and adorable person you are today ) bearhug
I think every one does a nice job in here trying to fiure out what the h..k was going on with this tape.
I agree with ( I'm sorry forgot the username ).... about the interesting part of these voice recordings
He mentioned Elvis in it ( we all know about the Elvis death hoax) he also mentioned the Beatles in it, which is also a well know hoax talk (the paul mc cartney death, and replaced by someone else hoax)
Also, I agree with all of you who say it's strange they don't listen to the message, only to the voice recording.
And why aren't they questioning qhy Murray recorded this?
Here's a Youtube clip of someone under hypnosis:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3u9DKXEon0[/youtube]
(It's funny thouh people can even change their lanuage and way of talking under hypnosis)
(This is sooo off topic but i thought it would be interesting/funny to share:)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzaKCoNIO4M&feature=related[/youtube]
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@2good2btrue , And how do you know how a stroke victim sounds like?? >:( maybe next time you can think before you wrote something like that,plz!
BUT you are right about,What he says is a clue. the tape sound script,and in some point you can hear Michael voice change to normal.
I am a Home, community and disabilty worker......and have worked and assisted many older people and younger people WITH DISABILITIES AND THOSE WHO HAVE HAD A STROKE...SORRY, BUT I AM REALLY OFFENDED BY THAT COMMENT.............I ALSO AM A RECOVERING ALCOHOLIC AND HAD BEEN FOR 20 YEARS......AND ....IF YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT I KNOW, I ALSO HAVE BEEN IN THE MEDICAL FIELD FOR 20 YEARS, HAVE SUFFERED BULIMEA, ANOREXIA, AND HAVE HAD A PAIN KILLER DRUG ADDICTION.....AND IF THAT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU ALL........MY MOTHER DIED OF LUPUS WHEN I WAS 15 YEARS OLD..........I HOPE THAT COVERS EVERYTHING.....OH HANG ON, I AM A SINGLE MOTHER AND AM 46 YEARS OLD, AND HAVE SEEN MANY DEAD BODIES.........OOOOOPS....NOW I'M BRAGGING. GOD BLESS
:( OMG 2good2btrue I'm so sorry!!!!!
Please stay strong, cause I know you have been till now!!!God Bless you :)
LOVE
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Please don't fight :) There's no need to, I know we're all a bit frustrated and all have the question what happend to Michael June 25th 2009. No need for personal attacks right? :)
( 2good2btrue I'm so sorry for your past! But you know everyone rights there own script of life (every soul before they go into a body) You've gone through all of this for a reason, maybe you know the reason, maybe it will become clear to you after a while I don't know, but I'm sure that those things you've went through made you to the loving and adorable person you are today ) bearhug
I think every one does a nice job in here trying to fiure out what the h..k was going on with this tape.
I agree with ( I'm sorry forgot the username ).... about the interesting part of these voice recordings
He mentioned Elvis in it ( we all know about the Elvis death hoax) he also mentioned the Beatles in it, which is also a well know hoax talk (the paul mc cartney death, and replaced by someone else hoax)
Also, I agree with all of you who say it's strange they don't listen to the message, only to the voice recording.
And why aren't they questioning qhy Murray recorded this?
Here's a Youtube clip of someone under hypnosis:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3u9DKXEon0[/youtube]
(It's funny thouh people can even change their lanuage and way of talking under hypnosis)
(This is sooo off topic but i thought it would be interesting/funny to share:)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzaKCoNIO4M&feature=related[/youtube]
Mmmmmm.........intresting connection....THANK YOU Missyb007 :)!!!!
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I'm not fighting.....just defending myself, and yes, all my suffering has given me an insight to addiction of many types. I just want others to know that because I could offer some first hand experience about what addiction can do to you.......I have been sober for nearly 9 years now, and can say, that since my child was born, I would never contemplate taking my own life again, or ever hurting myself......but addiction doesn't discriminate......Including pop stars. It's easier if you have the money, and nobody that cares for you. MJ seemed to know many people, but he only had one really good friend....the others used him, and this alone, can cause alot of inner pain and insecurities that lead to a need to "numb" the pain.....(IMO) Watch this...the similarities are uncanny
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3l1m_dtApY[/youtube]
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I feel a little of mixed emotions about the tape. I lead towards it being him having fun and slurring his speech for hoax purposes. Yet there are elements showing his real deep rambling thought processes about what's most important to him.
I've posted this video on another thread. MJ's voice here sounds very similar.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qqymMaFMwU[/youtube]
I'm not sure what to make of this, and the financial peril it may have caused him.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAA6ltsCcdk&feature=related[/youtube]
The very fact that MJ wrote the song "Morphine" shows his personal experience with drugs and their effects. His experiences have given him profound understanding that have been useful to him for the drug-related aspects of the hoax. So though he was addicted perhaps briefly around the accusations time, I believe he has totally left that all behind. I still have questions. I believe it is only because of God's hand of protection and purpose for his life that has brought him powerfully through all this. And then there's layers of truth too, oh :?
michael-jackson/
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I believe 100% this is Michael talking...no doubt whatsoever. :|
I guess I am an odd duck because I was more so picking up on the background noises. You could clearly hear a fan blowing in the background (if Michael was always cold why would a fan be blowing?- space heaters don't make that much noise)
I thought it sounded like a helicopter noise or something.
I was literally just typing that it sounded like a helicopter! Which I guess is like a really big fan, LOL.
Here's the fan that could have been the noise in the background.
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@2good2btrue bearhug
I firmly believe that God does not give us more than we can handle. Given what you have been through...it is evident that you are not only a fighter, but a winner as well.
The best is yet to come!
With L.O.V.E. always.
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QOUTE from 2good2btrue
"I am a Home, community and disabilty worker......and have worked and assisted many older people and younger people WITH DISABILITIES AND THOSE WHO HAVE HAD A STROKE...SORRY, BUT I AM REALLY OFFENDED BY THAT COMMENT.............I ALSO AM A RECOVERING ALCOHOLIC AND HAD BEEN FOR 20 YEARS......AND ....IF YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT I KNOW, I ALSO HAVE BEEN IN THE MEDICAL FIELD FOR 20 YEARS, HAVE SUFFERED BULIMEA, ANOREXIA, AND HAVE HAD A PAIN KILLER DRUG ADDICTION.....AND IF THAT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU ALL........MY MOTHER DIED OF LUPUS WHEN I WAS 15 YEARS OLD..........I HOPE THAT COVERS EVERYTHING.....OH HANG ON, I AM A SINGLE MOTHER AND AM 46 YEARS OLD, AND HAVE SEEN MANY DEAD BODIES.........OOOOOPS....NOW I'M BRAGGING. GOD BLESS"
*omg* 2good2btrue I'm So Sorry I didn't know about this bearhug.
What you didn't know was I also have worked with taking care of older Stroke patients. I used to work as an assistent nurse at a nursing home for older people.
AND I suffer from a Stroke when I was only 26,I am now 29 and can't work long hours or start to work early in the morning.
Because of the stroke I have a bad brain fatigue (which means I easy get's very tired in my head and get headaches. I also feel very dizzy from time to time.And I'm often feel overall very tired.
BUT, I am not complaining,it could have gone far worse. Like Eric Idle sings in the movie, Life of Brian" Always look on the bright side of life." that's my motto.
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Upon reading what was being said, I don’t find that he was rambling. He sounded exhausted to the point of dropping but his conversation was Michaelish. I don’t think he was saying go, go as illustrated. I heard him to say no, no. His thoughts were well expressed and he wasn’t just talking out of his head. He had probably taken a med that was kicking in and he had a thougt to relay to Murray so he called him up as he is known to do, and relayed it to him before he was fully asleep. Michael is known to call people late at night or anytime he had an idea. Nothing out of the ordinary about that.
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@2good2btrue , And how do you know how a stroke victim sounds like?? >:( maybe next time you can think before you wrote something like that,plz!
BUT you are right about,What he says is a clue. the tape sound script,and in some point you can hear Michael voice change to normal.
I am a Home, community and disabilty worker......and have worked and assisted many older people and younger people WITH DISABILITIES AND THOSE WHO HAVE HAD A STROKE...SORRY, BUT I AM REALLY OFFENDED BY THAT COMMENT.............I ALSO AM A RECOVERING ALCOHOLIC AND HAD BEEN FOR 20 YEARS......AND ....IF YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT I KNOW, I ALSO HAVE BEEN IN THE MEDICAL FIELD FOR 20 YEARS, HAVE SUFFERED BULIMEA, ANOREXIA, AND HAVE HAD A PAIN KILLER DRUG ADDICTION.....AND IF THAT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU ALL........MY MOTHER DIED OF LUPUS WHEN I WAS 15 YEARS OLD..........I HOPE THAT COVERS EVERYTHING.....OH HANG ON, I AM A SINGLE MOTHER AND AM 46 YEARS OLD, AND HAVE SEEN MANY DEAD BODIES.........OOOOOPS....NOW I'M BRAGGING. GOD BLESS
Big big HUGS to you 2good2btrue. You must be such a very strong person to deal with all of these issues. God bless you. bearhug
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Now I'm mad, I wrote TWO sentences and got back ALOT. /overreacting/ Noo I'm Not mad at 2good2btrue,because She had to get this out of her. I hope she feels better now, now when it's out. respect/
BUT what makes me mad is all of you other people here, how want to make me feel bad about this too much,which I don't deserve!
Maybe I was overreacting about 2good2btrue thinking Mike sounded like a Stroke victim,BUT that is because I myself suffer from a Stroke. PEACE!!
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Now I'm mad, I wrote TWO sentences and got back ALOT. /overreacting/ Noo I'm Not mad at 2good2btrue,because She had to get this out of her. I hope she feels better now, now when it's out. respect/
BUT what makes me mad is all of you other people here, how want to make me feel bad about this too much,which I don't deserve!
Maybe I was overreacting about 2good2btrue thinking Mike sounded like a Stroke victim,BUT that is because I myself suffer from a Stroke. PEACE!!
Billie J please dont be upset and mad on us,please!!!!!Myself, I was just felt bad for 2good2btrue,NO ONE deserves to suffer the way she did :(.Please if I made you feel bad,I apologise,I'm sorry :). And even if I don't know you personally I have to say :I LOVE YOU!!!!
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@applehead250609 Thanx for your kind words bearhug Big hug to you. I just don't think I or another person on this whole planet do not deserve to have a Stroke ever.
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Now I'm mad, I wrote TWO sentences and got back ALOT. /overreacting/ Noo I'm Not mad at 2good2btrue,because She had to get this out of her. I hope she feels better now, now when it's out. respect/
BUT what makes me mad is all of you other people here, how want to make me feel bad about this too much,which I don't deserve!
Maybe I was overreacting about 2good2btrue thinking Mike sounded like a Stroke victim,BUT that is because I myself suffer from a Stroke. PEACE!!
I don't know if I'm included to the ones who made you feel bad, but I'm sorry if I did. That couldn't be my intention. I actually missed the issue btw you and 2good and re-read your posts and I see no big problem btw you two. She shared her real life experience and you too. And I'm so sorry to hear that you're suffering from a stroke. You are a strong person to deal with it. And I'm sending my big bearhug to you.
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The beep sound in the background sounds like a smoke detechtor that are in homes here in the USA, when the battery is low it beeps like this every min or 2 mins till you put in a new one. So I ask if this was done at Carolwood how come the people whom take care or up keep to his home didn't change that? I mean Michael thinks of his childrens and his safety right with all the body guards, look alikes, police ect, you'd think he would want his smoke alarms to work in case of a fire him and his kids would be awakend by the sound of them when they go off. Also those things are so annoying. Just thought I would share that. ;D
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Wishingstar:
"Somewhere I read that some portion of proceeds will go to charity. What if.......
he bams, and all the proceeds go to charity? Wouldn't that be the single largest charity donation in the history of mankind? He said he wanted to be in the Guinness World Book of Records. What better thing to be listed for than the largest charity gift ever.......sounds like Michael!"
Given what we now know was on his mind...the whole Neverland-to-children's hospital makes even more sense. It would take this kind of sum to make that happen.
Wow great minds think alike,lol :).I have to confess that I thought exactly the same thing.Michael already gave enough to people,but as we know his LOVE is unstoppable,and he is a man of surprises bounce/ .So maybe is true after all ,but I think that if he is doing this ,is not for Guinness Book,is something more.Is betewn him and THE CREATOR ,because as we know no matter what or how much he does,it will never be enough for others. For us,and the people who really loves him ,as at human being,and not the super star,it's enough :-* :).These 2 years we had learned to LOVE HIM more and more,and I know he LOVES US too.He is watching us,remember lolol/ :mrgreen:!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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@Purelove thanx for the hug,I need that :) L.O.V.E, Billie J
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It is Michael.
Elvis mentioning was interesting.
It was also interesting he says "God wants me to do it".
Sorry for quoting myself but I just found this old post. So Mike said God wants him to do it and look where TIAI was finally going: to religion.