Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => TIAI => The Plan (Qanon, TIAI, BACK) => TIAI & TS Discussions => Topic started by: ~Souza~ on December 23, 2009, 05:19:55 AM
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I posted this as a comment in a thread already, but I thought I'd give it it's own thread too, to tell you MY thoughts on www.thisisalsoit.com (http://www.thisisalsoit.com).
First of all I am glad you took the effort to at least read through all the posts. What I don't understand very well, is where the disappointment comes from. My concern in this whole thing is that people are way to busy with "When will he be back?" instead of "What happened that made him do this?" In my opinion that is the main question of this hoax. The posts S.T.U.D.Y. made clearly state that the return of Mike depends on how this whole story will continue. We know that he is alive, we have seen all those clues, I am convinced that if he thinks it's time, he will return, in his own time. I didn't get all the hints either, that is why I am glad S.T.U.D.Y. took the effort to explain all of the redirects. I can understand some will not get it the first time you read it, but wait a few days and read through it again. I am not religious either, but I do understand why these quotes were used, they fit. You don't have to be religious to understand these quotes, certainly not since they are now explained in the 9 posts.
What I also don't understand is why people are so skeptical about the fact that S.T.U.D.Y. could actually be in the know about this hoax. Mike could never do this all on his own, he must have a lot of help, a whole team in my opinion. People on the forums, helping us in the right direction, people protecting him, people writing articles etc. etc. Why can't they say exactly how it is? Because as long as they stay 'Anonymous' they can be seen by people NOT in the know as 'nutters', which is safe for them and for Mike. If Mike wanted the whole world to know he is still alive, we would have seen him already. Apparently he doesn't want that, which means not everything can be revealed yet. People like S.T.U.D.Y. are letting us know he is alive, what the purpose is of this hoax and what needs to be done before and if he can return. If that should not comfort those who were still in doubt, I don't know what he could do more. S.T.U.D.Y.'s job is www.thisisalsoit.com (http://www.thisisalsoit.com), we can ask him or her everything about it. S.T.U.D.Y.'s job is not to tell us where Mike is or when he will return. That could mean he does not know, and if he does know, it means he is not allowed to tell, which would make sense.
Also, I DO know my government is full of shit, I DO know there are conspiracies, I DO know I should help others in need, I DO know I should tell my loved ones more often that I love them, I DO know I should me more active in questioning the BS of the media, but do I always act to it? NO. I am busy, it doesn't effect me personally yet and it's more easy to let it be. That is what they mean with "The end of the World" in my opinion. I do not think that the world ends in 2012, I am too rational for that, but I do get what they mean. As long as we only KNOW and don't ACT, this world will GO down and those that are controlling us already will only have more and more power if we keep sitting on our couches. Something needs to be done. I do not think that can be done overnight, or in a year, or in our generation (like JFK already said), but if we do nothing, there will be no turn into the right direction, we will only go down and other generations will have the effects of it. Do you have children? Do you have grand children? Don't you want them to grow up and live in a world without wars, lies and a lack of oxygen?
I feel not offended at all, I feel sad some people only say: "I know all that stuff, and I love Michael, why should I do something because I already know?" Of course he will not discriminate anyone who will not post his or her support in the list, he fights against discrimination so that is out of the question. But he did this for a reason, a big one and whatever he is planning to do, he needs to know people support him, he needs to know people won't let him down, he can't smell that, he needs to see. If everyone would just think "Michael knows already we love him, no need to post in that thread", he would not feel supported and he might not return at all, think about that. It's a few seconds work, it won't hurt you and he will KNOW you will support him. See it as politics, politicians need supporters too.
I will not delete your post, it is your opinion and I respect that, I only want to try to make you think otherwise but in the end it's all up to yourself, I can't control you and that is also not my intention. Mike can not speak for himself, others should help him and I signed up for the long ride, and I will keep trying to explain again and again and again to make people aware. For those who choose not to be a part of this, no hard feelings, I see where you are coming from since I have been skeptical too in the past 6 months, but I have experienced a lot of things that makes me think S.T.U.D.Y. is not here to play around, he just can't tell us all, so he tries his best to at least show us he is alive. It should not make you angry or disappointed, but it should give you comfort if you are here just to know if he's ok.
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Thanks Souz, our thoughts and ideas are on the same level in this...
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You couldn't have said it better ;) I'm with you, I don't understand the disappointment but I respect other people's feelings. I do understand Michael needs to know we support him, I do understand he'll come back when he feels it's the moment. I don't want to know when, it doesn't affect my believing in him being alive or my trust in him. I've always trusted and believed him, and I always will. I'm ready to wait till he is ready, in the meantime I'm gonna try to do my best to "Make that Change".
I love you Michael.
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yes i feel the same way as you souza.
i see that a lot of members, are only trying to find out when he comes back!
but there are other things, that are so important!! we are being manipulated, we are being lied to. there's injustice, greed, hate, pain everywhere around us and all some seem to care about, is when Michael comes back...
maybe he comes back, when he sees, that his message is finally comming trough!!
it's going totally wrong in the world and we have to do something about it!!
it's very good that people are starting to see what's going on,but we don't do anything about it! we just watch and see our future and our childrens futures getting destroyed and we just sit and watch it happen!
some even deny that it's going very wrong in the world! and i have been trough some kind of things, that where a consequence of this system. but i still haven't seen my family seen shot to death before my eyes,as a lot of people in other countries have seen! because of war, because of money and greed etc.!
so we're actually already to late with taking action! but we can't turn back time, unfortunately....
are we gonna wait till the whole world is in war? we're alsmost there! maybe then people will open their eyes and say: WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING!
i think there's something big comming. that this is only the beginning. making people aware, let them show their support and prepare them for what will go down in history, as the greatest demonstration for freedom!
and yes, i also understand that it can't be all revealed yet, because otherwhile, he would be already back... somethings, just can't be revealed yet...
come on, let's do it torgether!!
show him, that we understand!!
don't get me wrong, ofcourse i would like him to come back. but i have full trust in him, that he knows exactely what he's doing and he will come back when the time is right!!
when that time is?? i guess that depents on us!!
are we gonna help him make that change, all of us together?? are we gonna show him he got our love and support?
and that we all got eatchothers love and support?
understand what he's trying to accomplish! he desperatly is trying to reach all of us! wants us to get his message!
he wants us to make that change with him together!! so lets all show him that we care and that he can count on us!!
he has my love and support! you all have my love and support!
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"we are being manipulated, we are being lied to"! YESSS i agree! we are being manipulated and lied to, but NOT only by the GREAT Powers, BUT ALSO BY THE BELIEVERS!
IT'S ALL FOR L.O.V.E.
LOVE IS MJ !
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Hi Souza
Thanks for posting.
I'm going to be honest and say that I was aware of some of what was going on, but just yesterday I thought "If Michael wanted to open my eyes - well HE SUCCEEDED!" I'm not American, so I think I'm not that exposed to your media and government, although I KNOW it is an international problem!!
I'm not perfect. In the past I had a problem with loosing my patience VERY QUICKLY, but since this thing with MJ started it has inspired me to want to be a better person. So now before I want to loose my cool I actual have this thought ("all for love") and try to count to 10!! The point I'm trying to make - I believe God is using MJ in many ways.
People can accuse us of believing that MJ is god, for me it is not true. Jesus is my God and I believe he is using MJ, because MJ is willing. MJ is a wonderful person, I do not know such a person. To have gone through what he went and still to be the person he is today, words can not explain it. I do love and adore MJ of course and am a huge fan and I'm here everyday, but I also do not want his message to get lost while we investigate...
I signed up yesterday, because I believe in what he is trying to do. Primarily, two things - open our eyes to the truth and spread the love.
If each one of us make the change and reach out ... Only good things can come from it.
MJ I'm with you and thank you for opening my eyes (it sounds like a cliche - but it's not)
And also - I MISS YOU, but know you have your reasons for returning when you will...
Love always
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Souza, could it be possible that one human being: Michael J. Jackson- most famous and admired King of pop, respected humanitarian aprè la lettre-, went through so much trouble, involving many of different professions, to fake his death ,to make a wake-up call to all people about our social misbehavior and disrespect for the Earth ( like nuclear testing )? Leaving behind clues as messages he is still alive? The problem with the above mentioned is that not all people are clever investigators like some of you are! Also some people that do read the hoax clues do not fully understand, comprehend, the purport which is not always due to their lack of interest. I also do think he is alive because all I read and saw on videos convinced me.
I,for one, could have never figured that out by myself. But, Souza, WHY did he do it this way, by faking his death? How can Michael's fans and his devotees change the way governments and World leaders, among others, behavoir, corruption and decisions? They do not care about us, but they mostly don't care about Michael J.J.
I did not see any important World leaders etc. at his funeral!
Did he do it all to make us understand the media cannot be trusted? That I find a bit far-fetched. There is more wrongdoing happening to mother Earth and it's people than just the media trying to brainwash us. Hence, my interest lies in WHY Michael faked his death and what is the significance/message of that, to all of us. Until that becomes clear, many will stay ignorant and will stay focussed on his return. I would not know how to start looking for those clues!
Thank you all, Souza for all of your information and research. We owe you.
Emily.
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I posted this as a comment in a thread already, but I thought I'd give it it's own thread too, to tell you MY thoughts on http://www.thisisalsoit.com (http://http).
I totally agree with you, Souza.
The implicit confirmation that Michael is alive is a beautiful emotion, gives strength to continue our work and not stop having faith in us and in our ideas.
We can not stop to wait for the answer on the timing of the return of Michael.
Instead, we must all work hard together to move forward and truly begin to form a real barrier for him, against the powers adverse NWO. :) :) :)
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from the start of this journey my main goal was just to know that mj is alive,then i started to learn all about this world we live in ,it is our world and it is up to us what happens to it.we each have a voice and it is up to us to use it,not sit back and hope someone else will save it for us.i have learnt so much and i am grateful for it ,some things i do not understand but what i do no is that i am a better person since june.and yes i have mj to thank and i do want him to come back but when, it is for him to choose when he is ready and i will be here.this has certainly been a wake up call for me :)
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I just wanted to add, I feel great today. I actually slept last night. I dont think that S.T.U.D.Y could of posted anything any better than they did yesterday.What more can we ask? Its hard for people to trust , i guess its understandable that some just cant believe any of this. I think time will bring them to the truth not everyone thinks alike. I know for me it was instant. I am 32 with 4 children and since june 25th i have been running around like a zombie. Since yesterday I have actually found peace. For me the post made everything clearer. Even if it aint michael behind it. It is a good person trying to carry out what michael was all about. Time is the key, everyone will react different and it really is o.k and normal. Im sure alot will come around eventually in their own time. :D Hugs Everyone
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My concern in this whole thing is that people are way to busy with "When will he be back?" instead of "What happened that made him do this?" In my opinion that is the main question of this hoax.
Please stand and take a bow for that statement. Applause... applause!
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i´m agree with Souza.
Since June i had seen thousand of videos, i had read thounsand of articles and differents post in numerous sites. Sometimes i was surprised, sometimes some article/post or whatelse bothered me, and others makes me cry.
And today i can say that i discovered parts of MJ that i didn´t know, and i´m sure he is alive (there are clues enough to prove it), of course that i would wish to know when he will return, but i want Michael to feel proud of me, after i watch him in several interviews i understood his message and i want help him to carry out.
Many ppl says "i´ll starting with the man of the mirror" but they don´t say with their heart, it´s only a sentence.We have to be better people in our scale with those around us.
I´m here for Michael, not for gossip about him, i´m here to support him, i´m here to demostrate him that there are many ppl in the world that have good feelings, and of course that we love him so much, Michael has become so important to me as my family.
For this, what I want is that Michael knows that thanks to him I am a better person today.
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I APOLOGIZE...I TOOK THE TIME AFTER WORK TO READ ALL THE 9 PARTS AND I DO AGREE. I WAS FRUSTRATED YESTERDAY, BUT NOW I AM CALMER.
IT HAS BEEN A LONG ROAD FOR US ALL, BUT IN REALITY..IT IS NOTHING IN COMPARED TO WHAT MICHAEL HAS HAD TO DEAL WITH, AND WILL CONTINUE TO DEAL WITH. IT HURTS SO MUCH TO KNOW THE TORTURE THE MAN WENT THROUGH. WE REALLY HAD NO IDEA UNTIL HE WAS "GONE".
I DO BELIEVE AND I HAVE BEEN MAKING CHANGES SLOWLY FOR YEARS.I WILL JUST SPEED IT UP NOW.
WALK IN LOVE AND LIGHT.
DOREEN
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Souza, I couldn't have put it any better myself! Hat's (and Fedora's) off to you! Thanks :)
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First I'd like to say Souza THANK YOU! You took the words straight out of my mouth!!!
Secondly, can anyone imagine the overwhelming sensation that would go to MJ if ALL of the sites got together on this. This isn't about believing in what S.T.U.D.Y said. Do I personally believe what S.T.U.D.Y said, well more then I will anyone on twitter or LKL that's for sure. The dedication that he had to do the redirections everyday and keep up on it etc. is astounding to me. After all, anyone can go onto LKL blog and say that they know something or knows someone who knows something. We've seen that too many times already haven't we? Anyway, imagine what our voices could do if all of the sites got together. Not because of what S.T.U.D.Y said, but because we as a whole want to do something to change ourselves, our family, community, state, country and world. Being in MJ's Army is just a bonus really, this is something that everyone was already doing or should be doing. Of course we don't "need" MJ to tell us to do something with our lives and to change the world, but who better to be in our corner (or us in his rather!).
Just my thought...
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from the start of this journey my main goal was just to know that mj is alive,then i started to learn all about this world we live in ,it is our world and it is up to us what happens to it.we each have a voice and it is up to us to use it,not sit back and hope someone else will save it for us.i have learnt so much and i am grateful for it ,some things i do not understand but what i do no is that i am a better person since june.and yes i have mj to thank and i do want him to come back but when, it is for him to choose when he is ready and i will be here.this has certainly been a wake up call for me :)
Hey SPAKK!! I SOOO agree with you!
I have gone through a few things in my life that made me realise Ive taken alot of things for granted and I STRIVED to be a better person because of it. But since June, and because of our beloved Mikey...I have learned SO much more about myself and other people and the world we live in.
Our government here in the US is screwing us over in a major way.....more so then in recent yrs. In fact, they are going to be working on Christmas EVE to FORCE this health care bill through....all while no one is paying attention. Christmas eve we will be with our families celebrating and having a jolly time........but come Monday when you turn on the news.........SURPRISE!!! The govt screwed us behind our back...when we werent looking. They are notorious for that. To get some of the "higher ups" to vote for the bill, they have basically bribed them. "Oh you dont want the bill? Well....how about we wont cut any medicare cost from the people in your state? Will you vote for it then?" ........this has happened in Nebraska I think. This bill is THOUSANDS of pages long and no one has even read it. It may even be illegal. But is anyone speaking up? Nope.
Why do they continue to do this to us? Because no one has stopped them. The American citizens are scared of their own government and maybe even too lazy..."Oh someone else will fix it..." NO THEY WONT!!!
Its scary. And I'll say this again.....Obama is NOT who you believe him to be. Oh, he's a smoooth talker and very manipulative in every sense of the word. He gets you to trust him. By the time his presidency is done..this country will be a MUCH different place then it is now. You watch. We are on our way to a Socialist government.....soon, you wont be able to go to the bathroom without the govt knowing about it.
As for MJ, Yes, I want him to come back...I started a thread a few weeks ago called "My views have changed..." ALOT of you commented on it. I said I wanted him to come back but not if he is going to go through hell because of the hoax. Now though, I know he'll come back and Im pretty sure he wont get ridiculed if his reasons for why he did this IS the real reason he left us. Some of the clues being left are pretty complicated and I havent even read them all. I am just now studying the posts left by TS/ STUDY. Genious stuff!!!
If MJ did this for the reasons TS stated, then the world is going to be left dumbfounded and MJ will be a hero. I do think now that MJ will only come back when he knows that WE know EXACTLY why he did this. He is waiting for us. We need to put our thinking caps on and really start paying attention.
Now I know that all the mj's and Micheal...LOVe on LKl are probably fakes. TS has left us clues to things BEFORE theyve happened....not like on LKL blogs where they give clues to things AFTER they have happened.
I love you Mike and Im in it for the long haul babe!! I love ALL of you guys and girls and we need to really come together and SUPPORT MIKE!!! Not that we dont already but you know what I mean!!
Happy Holidays!!
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from the start of this journey my main goal was just to know that mj is alive,then i started to learn all about this world we live in ,it is our world and it is up to us what happens to it.we each have a voice and it is up to us to use it,not sit back and hope someone else will save it for us.i have learnt so much and i am grateful for it ,some things i do not understand but what i do no is that i am a better person since june.and yes i have mj to thank and i do want him to come back but when, it is for him to choose when he is ready and i will be here.this has certainly been a wake up call for me :)
I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU, thank you for this that is exactly what I feel. :D
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from the start of this journey my main goal was just to know that mj is alive,then i started to learn all about this world we live in ,it is our world and it is up to us what happens to it.we each have a voice and it is up to us to use it,not sit back and hope someone else will save it for us.i have learnt so much and i am grateful for it ,some things i do not understand but what i do no is that i am a better person since june.and yes i have mj to thank and i do want him to come back but when, it is for him to choose when he is ready and i will be here.this has certainly been a wake up call for me :)
100% AGREED! I THINK THAT WE NEED TO AWAKE PEOPLE, BUT I´M TRYING, AND IT´S VERY DIFFICULT... IMAYBE WE HAVE TO DO A VIDEO OF THE AWAKENING WITHOUT MJ FACE, SO MANY PEOPLE DOESN´T BELIEVE IN THE HOAX AND LAUGH ON ME... :evil: I DON´T KNOW HOW TO KEEP GOING... :cry:
I´M RECOMENDED THIS LINK TO MY FRIENDS... BUT WHEN I TALK OF MJ... NO WAY... THEY LAUGH ABOUT ME...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOuhTd9TuRI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOuhTd9TuRI)
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Im not gonna respond long because I really dont know what to say, I just want to say that I understood your posts very clearly (compared to all the TIAI posts) and it all makes so much sense. This is the awakening. I kept looking so long to WHEN Michael is coming back but I think we need to start asking ourselves WHY he felt the need to hide. Its genious and the developments will be interesting to follow.
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I already wrote down here were i stand in this ..several time's now.
And agree in everything you said Souza.
People here also said(in the Netherlands)..Wel i am ok..i dont have problems wit the Couvernement or the lies the manupalation..Than i say ..NO NOT YET! but wen they are done with us..wen they destroyed us..it wil be your turn..Dont believe they wil leave you alone!
But then it can be to late..we have to act now!
This is my message for Michael!
I am already fighting for the truth for a long time now..and i wil go on fighting with you Michael!
This is my feeling..We need someone like you..a real leader, to join us all together..we are fighting for the same..The change!
Mattie
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My concern in this whole thing is that people are way to busy with "When will he be back?" instead of "What happened that made him do this?" In my opinion that is the main question of this hoax.
Please stand and take a bow for that statement. Applause... applause!
I am worried that many are still thinking so much more about themselves and what Michael would owe them and what Michael should do in their perception than of what they would owe Michael and what they should do.
6 months have gone by but how many are still taking this as a reason only for chatting?
As if this were about Mrs Miller's pink underwear on the lane or Cheeta's new bracelet.
Is this it?
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I am willing to stand and acknowledge guilt of thinking about me, me and me again in the early months following his disappearance. I also noticed a trend in many conversations over the past few months. Many people say that they will be happy in simply knowing that he is tucked away safe and sound but that is not the complete truth. Many people are looking for this story to have a "happy ending". Whether they hold it as a conscious or even subconscious thought...the ONLY acceptable happy ending is a comeback by Michael Jackson.
BTW - I should not have read the part about the pink underwear while sipping juice. Not a pretty scene. Where are the napkins? :lol:
My concern in this whole thing is that people are way to busy with "When will he be back?" instead of "What happened that made him do this?" In my opinion that is the main question of this hoax.
Please stand and take a bow for that statement. Applause... applause!
I am worried that many are still thinking so much more about themselves and what Michael would owe them and what Michael should do in their perception than of what they would owe Michael and what they should do.
6 months have gone by but how many are still taking this as a reason only for chatting?
As if this were about Mrs Miller's pink underwear on the lane or Cheeta's new bracelet.
Is this it?
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Thanks for posting this Souza, it´s very true!
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My concern in this whole thing is that people are way to busy with "When will he be back?" instead of "What happened that made him do this?" In my opinion that is the main question of this hoax.
Please stand and take a bow for that statement. Applause... applause!
I am worried that many are still thinking so much more about themselves and what Michael would owe them and what Michael should do in their perception than of what they would owe Michael and what they should do.
6 months have gone by but how many are still taking this as a reason only for chatting?
As if this were about Mrs Miller's pink underwear on the lane or Cheeta's new bracelet.
Is this it?
Michael doesn't owe us a thing I for one have never ever said that. But yes there are people who think that and that is really sad!
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I think the only happy ending will be proof that he is still alive - he doesn't have to come back for me.
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@Souza:
Like many people on this thread have said, you took the words right out of my mouth. STUDY's job isn't to tell us WHEN MJ is coming back, it's his job to help us understand WHY he did it.
Think about it everyone, if someone told us WHEN, WHERE, and HOW MJ was coming back, we'd probably just sit back and not take the time to learn about the reasons WHY. Which is DEFINETLY what MJ wants us to do.
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What about the people that believe he has gone physically, but his spirit is still very much alive?
I'm convinced he passed on the 25th of June, how? I don't know.. I know something isn't right about the way he went.
I'm his age, grew up with him (although probably in a 'healthier, not so famous way'; I've known him all my life.
He doesn't need to be around in a physical way to get his message accross..his legacy says way more (lots of members knew of him the day he passed and became his biggest fans...) than he could have said or done when he was alive because if he were still alive, many fans here wouldn't be interested in him because they only showed interest when he wasn't there anymore (physically that is). I mean, think about it, what a paradox..... he's saying more and more not being around to more and more people who couldn't care less when he was stil here...
And, for the record, I think it is very sad that people nowadays need someone like MJ to (re)discover basic values. Maybe that is why Michael had to come around...
Don't get me wrong : he is one of a kind, a huge genius, but a man, just a mortal man... no more no less. The only thing that distinguished him from other people was his awesome talent, his genius. It is exactly that that pushed him up and brought him down, but not without leaving a humongous legacy, which is more than most of us can hope for...
I wish I could have seen him on stage... I never will
These are just my thoughts, nothing out of the ordinary, nothing exciting, just my thoughts, expressing how I feel. Yesterday, on BBC2, I saw his tribute....awesome. For the very first time I had the feeling real people were talking about a real person, who happened to be named Michael Jackson.
I hope nobody feels hurt nor offended by this post, it never was, never will be my intention.
I wish everyone here, every reader, a very merry Christmas and a very good, joyful New Year.
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And, for the record, I think it is very sad that people nowadays need someone like MJ to (re)discover basic values.
Great point and definitely something to think about.
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And, for the record, I think it is very sad that people nowadays need someone like MJ to (re)discover basic values.
Great point and definitely something to think about.
Thank you :)
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Jacsonalagist wrote...Our government here in the US is screwing us over in a major way.....more so then in recent yrs. In fact, they are going to be working on Christmas EVE to FORCE this health care bill through....all while no one is paying attention. Christmas eve we will be with our families celebrating and having a jolly time........but come Monday when you turn on the news.........SURPRISE!!! The govt screwed us behind our back...when we werent looking. They are notorious for that. To get some of the "higher ups" to vote for the bill, they have basically bribed them. "Oh you dont want the bill? Well....how about we wont cut any medicare cost from the people in your state? Will you vote for it then?" ........this has happened in Nebraska I think. This bill is THOUSANDS of pages long and no one has even read it. It may even be illegal. But is anyone speaking up? Nope.
Applause! Applause! Applause! A am appalled at how MANY people know this and have voiced their not wanting the bill and we are just swept under the carpet as "extremist".
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Powerful people exert their power and use their influence. Powerful people in all walks of life do this...government, business, entertainment, sports etc etc. That strategy was not invented during this decade or the last or the one before then. It has been practiced by many people and groups since the dawn of time. Some have chosen to see it now because it is sitting on their doorsteps and not just down the street seated on a neighbor's porch. Twisting the screws to get what is desired is not new either. It's a game and that is the way that the game is played. People with power make the rules and often win.
Jacsonalagist wrote...Our government here in the US is screwing us over in a major way.....more so then in recent yrs. In fact, they are going to be working on Christmas EVE to FORCE this health care bill through....all while no one is paying attention. Christmas eve we will be with our families celebrating and having a jolly time........but come Monday when you turn on the news.........SURPRISE!!! The govt screwed us behind our back...when we werent looking. They are notorious for that. To get some of the "higher ups" to vote for the bill, they have basically bribed them. "Oh you dont want the bill? Well....how about we wont cut any medicare cost from the people in your state? Will you vote for it then?" ........this has happened in Nebraska I think. This bill is THOUSANDS of pages long and no one has even read it. It may even be illegal. But is anyone speaking up? Nope.
Applause! Applause! Applause! A am appalled at how MANY people know this and have voiced their not wanting the bill and we are just swept under the carpet as "extremist".
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Jacsonalagist wrote...Our government here in the US is screwing us over in a major way.....more so then in recent yrs. In fact, they are going to be working on Christmas EVE to FORCE this health care bill through....all while no one is paying attention. Christmas eve we will be with our families celebrating and having a jolly time........but come Monday when you turn on the news.........SURPRISE!!! The govt screwed us behind our back...when we werent looking. They are notorious for that. To get some of the "higher ups" to vote for the bill, they have basically bribed them. "Oh you dont want the bill? Well....how about we wont cut any medicare cost from the people in your state? Will you vote for it then?" ........this has happened in Nebraska I think. This bill is THOUSANDS of pages long and no one has even read it. It may even be illegal. But is anyone speaking up? Nope.
Applause! Applause! Applause! A am appalled at how MANY people know this and have voiced their not wanting the bill and we are just swept under the carpet as "extremist".
Euh, sorry, I live in Belgium, we have real good health care. In fact, in our country, being poor is no excuse whatsoever to be sick... Basically it means that the ones who can afford it pay for the ones who can't ... not perfect, I know, but it works (besides, Belgium is only one country...., 1 state is a country in America)
I don't know anything about this health care bill. I've been to the US many times (one of my favorite destinations..) and I know your health care system differs alot from ours. So, what is happening now, is there a new bill or what?
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Powerful people exert their power and use their influence. Powerful people in all walks of life do this...government, business, entertainment, sports etc etc. That strategy was not invented during this decade or the last or the one before then. It has been practiced by many people and groups since the dawn of time. Some have chosen to see it now because it is sitting on their doorsteps and not just down the street seated on a neighbor's porch. Twisting the screws to get what is desired is not new either. It's a game and that is the way that the game is played. People with power make the rules and often win.
Jacsonalagist wrote...Our government here in the US is screwing us over in a major way.....more so then in recent yrs. In fact, they are going to be working on Christmas EVE to FORCE this health care bill through....all while no one is paying attention. Christmas eve we will be with our families celebrating and having a jolly time........but come Monday when you turn on the news.........SURPRISE!!! The govt screwed us behind our back...when we werent looking. They are notorious for that. To get some of the "higher ups" to vote for the bill, they have basically bribed them. "Oh you dont want the bill? Well....how about we wont cut any medicare cost from the people in your state? Will you vote for it then?" ........this has happened in Nebraska I think. This bill is THOUSANDS of pages long and no one has even read it. It may even be illegal. But is anyone speaking up? Nope.
Applause! Applause! Applause! A am appalled at how MANY people know this and have voiced their not wanting the bill and we are just swept under the carpet as "extremist".
[quoteSome have chosen to see it now because it is sitting on their doorsteps and not just down the street seated on a neighbor's porch. T][/quote] This is the truth.
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of course i agree...i just cant word it as nice as you :lol:
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@Souza:
Like many people on this thread have said, you took the words right out of my mouth. STUDY's job isn't to tell us WHEN MJ is coming back, it's his job to help us understand WHY he did it.
Think about it everyone, if someone told us WHEN, WHERE, and HOW MJ was coming back, we'd probably just sit back and not take the time to learn about the reasons WHY. Which is DEFINETLY what MJ wants us to do.
well said! agree totally! ;)
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Thank you Souza for this incredible post. Personally, I had never heard of http://www.thisisalsoit.com (http://www.thisisalsoit.com) or S.T.U.D.Y Since I read your post, I went to the website and watched 7 of the videos back to back. You are so right! I too have noticed that many on the hoax sites are more concerned about when MJ is returning to do this fantastic concert rather than the reason for the hoax in the first place. I feel that as hoax investigators it is important we focus more on everything he endured with the media, reading the lyrics to his songs (especially within the last several years), his problem with race issues, groups that he turned to before the hoax etc. While listening to one of S.T.U.D.Y's videos, one of Michael Jackson's video's came to mind(They don't really care about us) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HSNeHHuQA4...the (banned prison version)
From wikipodia
"They Don't Care About Us" is the fourth single from Michael Jackson's album HIStory. The song remains one of the most controversial pieces Jackson ever composed. In the US, media scrutiny surrounding alleged antisemitic lyrics were the catalyst for Jackson issuing multiple apologies and re-recording the album—altering the lyrics for that particular track. The singer countered allegations of antisemitism, arguing that reviews had misinterpreted the context of the song, either unintentionally or deliberately.
I agree with Michael....forgive me for quoting this, but the bible says that we have to be do'ers of the word and not just hear'ers. Michael said something similiar to this in TII, when he talked about people's response to the world problems saying "yeah we know but, they will take care of it" As Michael responded, "They Who? we have to! Honestly, I don't know exactly where to start, but I will see how I can do my best to support his world dreams/visions.
Again thanks Souza.....for spiritual the eye opener!
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I just wanted to add one thing: if what Michael's doing helps just one person to awake his conscience and to "make that change" it's a great goal; I think we, sometimes, tend to forget about NWO, mass manipulation and stuff; we all know about it at a certain level but we tend NOT to think about it. Personally I can say Michael's helped me a lot during the past six months, helped me understand what I can do to make this world a better place and I am grateful for that. He needs to know we support him. He needs to know we are here for him. He gave us so much , is it so hard to show him how much we care about him? ;)
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I think if we say we really love Michael, what exactly do we love, only his singing, dancing, body, personality, this game of how he hoaxed his death and when he will come back? Or do we love him also for his passion, what he cares about at the deepest level of his existence, what he thinks about all the time, why he did this colossal adventure, what might hurt him the most if we reject it. If we think he felt alone during his trials of child molestation, when he was such a pure lover of children (see the LKL interview with Donald Trump on MJ, it's so worthwhile), then think of his pain when he feels he put everything on the line for this, his "baby" and his closest fans are rejecting it or devaluing it. I believe there have been global disasters several times in history, and what if he has some intuitive knowledge of something big coming, as he looks at all the many signs of our times. I personally think he knows a lot more than we do about what is happening at the upper levels of society--he's lived among the upper people of the world his whole life. I totally trust him to tell us the truth. I love him, and I love his message, though it scares me, hoping it won't turn out as bad as it appears--maybe it won't as this army is mobilized as a ground swell. What exactly have we got to lose, our pride? Michael already said he had been brought so low, he has nothing to lose now and doesn't care anymore what people think or what they can do to him. He's putting his whole life on the line for this, for us. Thanks Sousa for your excellent posts and explanations.
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I have loved, adored and respected Michael (The man..not the entertainer) (Although don't get me wrong Michael is the best entertainer on this planet).... since I was only 9yrs old, ok at that age I loved him as an entertainer,As I was too young to realise anything else about Michael....But as the years went by I totally fell in love with Michael the man..I understood that he was so much more than this ...His words I would listen to carefully..I heard loud and clear just what Michael was telling us and all he stands for, His passion, what he cares about at the deepest level of his existence...Michael to me is the most purest human being in this world.To me he isn't just an entertainer, he is an unique, gentle , honest ,loving MAN...... I say I love him, cos he saved my life , Let me explain more....As I have said at 9 yrs old I was going through hell in my life..My parents were constantly argueing, fighting ,I thought this was because of me..I won't go into all of it here like...Anyway I thought if I wasn't around my parents would stop fighting etc..They would grow to love each other again, So I took my mothers sleeping pills...Very soon I felt drowsy so lay down on my bed...I heard singing coming through the bedroom window from next door..It was Michael Jackson , However I didn't know this at the time...Something in his words,his voice, changed me that day..Something from deep inside answered Michael..I felt lifted, loved and wanted, that I couldn't go like this...There was a bigger plan for me something I had to do.....I know this all sounds crazy, but believe me it's all true...Somehow I dragged myself from the bed, my legs were too sluggish to walk...I made myself vomit, until I had nothing else to give up. I went back to bed and slept almost around the clock...Long story short, I now have 6 wonderful kids and 3 beautiful grand-children..I have just turned 45 this month and do loads of stuff to support many charities and people less fortunate than myself..HE CHANGED ME...I owe my life to Michael on so many levels..For over 35 yrs I have stayed loyal.....So yes I love Michael he is my saviour..However unlike many others I don't or never would want to be Michael's lover..I love him from deep within my heart..A true deeper love than I could ever love anyone else...DO I WANT MICHAEL BACK....It wouldn't bother me if Michael never came back to entertain..DO I CARE WHY MICHAEL HAS PULLED THIS STUNT...yes Michael must have had many sleepness nights before doing this, so whatever his reasons for this they were very important to Michael..So therefore are important to myself..I trust Michael 105%, I would give my life for Michael ,I owe him my own life....SO MICHAEL IF YOU ARE READING THIS ...I LOVE YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART AND SUPPORT YOU 105% You have been there for me all of my life...I will always stay true & Loyal to you,no matter or whatever you decide to do...All I do want for you is that you can be happy and live your life in peace and privacy , with your family and children..You give so much to this world ..Yet asked for nothing in return..YOU owe us nothing..WE owe you the life and respect you deserve....JUST LET US KNOW YOU ARE OK, Take away all of this pain...Trust in us as we do in you Michael...Give us the chance to repay you....YOUR HEART WILL ALWAYS BE ENTWINNED WITH MY HEART FOREVER MICHAEL.....It's all for love ..L.O.V.E.....XXX :)
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I cannot imagine him coming back ever. Why should he?
This would wipe off the tablecloth all that we have been coming to so far.
Again the focus would be solely on him in the spotlight and not on the cause.
He would be ridiculed and mocked as before, he would be yelled at on the red carpets of the world, everything would restart as before. He would be hold responsible for each and everything as before. People would say again "the leader must say where's the way". "We love gold pants and God he's still so sexy."
Would you after all you read until today still think that such approach and behaviour is appropriate? Wouldn't you now agree that this is offending and abasing?
He discovered until now who is behind him, whom he can trust, who is lipconfessing only.
To those who are with him - yes maybe a discovery once in a while like during the last months.
To all others he's gone and that's just fine.
There is no reason at all to come back. At least I cannot see any.
Come back as spiderman - "I fell from the tower due to some event but no, I am still alive?
I am the king and I will live forever and look now how alive I am?"
That's ridiculous, sorry.
Michael Jackson was crucified many times in many ways.
People may not think about what they are doing and just BAM others down.
Who has suffered knows that the mind of a victim becomes more purified and brilliant every day while learning to survive.
Who has suffered knows that the soul of a victim gets closer to God's wisdom every day while healing from within.
Never underestimate Michael Jackson.
His mind and soul have been brought beyond our imagination's short horizon.
Who still is thinking about "I want Michael back" does not feel where Michael is and has not understood for 6 months where Michael is coming from and where Michael is going to.
I encourage you to listen.
Sending you lots of S.M.I.L.E.S. and a hug for a very merry wonderful Christmas.
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Thank you, Souza. I agree with every bit of it. The message is the most important part. It is a BIG message that I hope everyone begins to understand.
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Thank you for the great post Souza,
It was very insightful. While I agree with you about what would have made MJ do something like this rather than when is he coming back has been at the forefront of mind since June. I personally believe he was trying to get everyone's attention about the state of the world as we have come to know it. Most ppl in the world are like sponges and soak up everything the media puts out there. Nothing is ever questioned. MJ knows he has millions of fans and knew if he could get our attention perhaps he could wake everyone up to the truth. Yes! I do believe in NWO. It just didn't happen either. It's been going on for hundreds of years. Does anyone ever reflect back on the discussion/signing of the Declaration of Independence. Why were those few men in charge of setting America's standards? Why were they chosen? Just something to think about. Also, did anyone really believe the HealthCare Reform was in jeopardy of not being passed? I think not! It was all done for the masses to believe that ppl in office was totally against socialized medicine. It's all coming to a head and MJ knew it. There are Super rich men in their private society controlling America and eventually they will take over the world. It's a sad shame. The truth of the matter is that we all have been manipulated and duped by those candidates we put in office and the media. Nothing really is at is appears! I don't know how many of you are able to watch Tru T.V. They have a slogan. It's not reality it's actuality. Anyway! Jesse Ventura will be having a show called Conspiracy Theory and he speaks about the NWO. I believe it premieres this Wednesday. Anyway! Thanks again Souza! Keep the Faith! :)
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thank you for your thread Souza !
you're so smart !
Before, I came everyday on the forum, but this last time I am very busy in my job, so it's hard to follow everything for me now.
I don't post very often because most of the time, I don't know how to explain my feelings (and believe, it's frustrating !)
I am a soldier of the army of L.O.V.E. and I want to do something to save our generations and the future generations... but I don't know where to begin with... I have started with the girl in the mirror, I try to make the world better all around me.
I wish Michael or S.T.U.D.Y. or TS will show us what to begin with to heal the world, I wish he/they will direct us in the right way. there is so much to do !
What I mean right now is that since june 25th, I am lost. I need your help believers ! I want to act by your side because I really believe that together we can make that change !
and once again I have to go... to work...
much love to all of you....
much love to you Michael.
talk to you soon !
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for sure there is so much to it all, and I wouldn't want MJ to let go of the momentum that just create it self more with the time pass......I KNOW MJ WILL PREVAIL THE TRUTH IN THE RIGHT TIME to TEACH AS ALL A BIG LESSON. NOW why not enjoy this amazing creation that is right in front of our eyes?? realizing more and more seed of his GENIUS as it prevailed.
THANK YOU MICHAEL
WE LOVE YOU SO MUCH