Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: lauren09 on December 22, 2009, 08:20:28 PM
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Hello,
Hey, I'm wondering if someone could please provide an explanation for this, as the FBI just released Michael Jackson's driver's license (a copy of it ) and his confidential Drivers License Number, which is Michael's.
So, we have Jackson's Social Secruity Number not the just released FBI copy of his Drivers License Number. These are the two most confidential forms of ID for anyone and stay with you for life, even if he got another state's drivers license, his original would still remain.
Thus, unless he's been entered into the Witness Protection Program and was given a completely new identity, he died.
period!
thanks!
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Can you post a link to the documents? I would like to see them. I have had drivers license in about 5 different states from moving. Some states require you to surrender your old license from another state if you have one, some do not. It is not a big deal. You can easily have more than one license from different states. In another post, it shows that MJ had two different Social Security numbers also. Again, not a big deal. My husband accidently got two different numbers when applying for a replacement card. It happens.
The FBI releasing this information does not necessarily prove he's "dead".
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Here ya go:
http://foia.fbi.gov/jackson_michael/62d-la-162715.PDF (http://foia.fbi.gov/jackson_michael/62d-la-162715.PDF)
page 8
I have moved from different states too and had to get different drivers licenses, etc...including california. however, that original drivers license number stays with you. when i returned back to my original state, my original drivers license number was just given back to me. it's never erased. thus, even if mike moved and had a different drivers license number, he's california one is still relevant as a major source and form of personal identification.
just don't see how the FBI could release this document, we have the SS number now too.
Michael would have to get a completely NEW identity.
Those are facts.
Thanks!
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Here ya go:
http://foia.fbi.gov/jackson_michael/62d-la-162715.PDF (http://foia.fbi.gov/jackson_michael/62d-la-162715.PDF)
page 8
I have moved from different states too and had to get different drivers licenses, etc...including california. however, that original drivers license number stays with you. when i returned back to my original state, my original drivers license number was just given back to me. it's never erased. thus, even if mike moved and had a different drivers license number, he's california one is still relevant as a major source and form of personal identification.
just don't see how the FBI could release this document, we have the SS number now too.
Michael would have to get a completely NEW identity.
All the drivers licenses I have had have all had different numbers. Maybe because you returned to California they keep it in their system for that state? I have never had the same number from state to state though.
Those are facts.
Thanks!
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yes, different numbers for different states, of course. i had a WA drivers license, moved to california, had to get a NEW Ca. license, then moved back to washington and had the same original washington drivers license number assigned back to me.
i lived in florida, had to get a florida license, when i moved back to california i received the same california drivers license number i had originally.
you can't get two different drivers license numbers for and from the same state, if that makes sense.
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and unless he does get a new SS number and drivers license number, his entire personal identity has been released to the entire world. unless he did die, people could use those numbers of his to falsify documents, get credit cards, apply for stuff with his SS# and Drivers License Number. If he indeed did die and anyone tried to use his identity those numbers, or course, they'd come up showing invalid, person no longer living, ya know.
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also, another thought, his PASSPORT has been released to the public as well with his PASSPORT number on it, that number also ties into his SS# and drivers license #, a passport is often used as a form of identity if one doesn't have the other's mentioned above.
So, I so so badly want to believe hes still alive, badly. But how, he'd have to truly be in the Witness Protection Program and establish an entirely new identity.
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also, another thought, his PASSPORT has been released to the public as well with his PASSPORT number on it, that number also ties into his SS# and drivers license #, a passport is often used as a form of identity if one doesn't have the other's mentioned above.
So, I so so badly want to believe hes still alive, badly. But how, he'd have to truly be in the Witness Protection Program and establish an entirely new identity.
Trust me, they would work it out if he decides to come back.
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Guys, that's not the full Driver's License number, the last 4 numbers are missing.
I'm not saying the license isn't real. I am saying that the modern number system is different now. Michael's current DL# would not be this number.
No return-from-the-dead-security-issue worries here.
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hum, i goggled it, i can't find it now, but it showed a sample picture, two , of a california drivers license, it had the exact same numbers as Michael's did, 8. nothing had changed.
how do you know this because it's not the information i found.
also, if you look at the trial court documents in 2003, that has his drivers license number, no change.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/jackocharge3.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/jackocharge3.html)
i mean, one has to be logical here, he'd have to have a completely new identity.
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I now have questions.....
Were any of his marriages legal if they stated Michael Joseph Jackson on the wedding licences?
If he did,they were never legally married to him because it would be considered fraud in a sense and I know those laws are the same here in Canada because one man abbreviated his name and the marriage was null in void.
Also,why did his official passports and other ID have Michael Joseph Jackson on them,automatically rendering then invalid and also illegal in California law and also as far as I know worldwide because here in Canada,it would not be legal and considered illegal and fraudulant.
Did he change his name legally I wonder though but would have had to do this before the trial because he is listed on the kids BC's as as the father named Michael Joseph Jackson but in the 2003/2005 court documents,his middle name is listed as Joe.
I am confused though because in court for depositions,etc throughout the years from 1993-2006 he stated his full real name to be Michael Joseph Jackson under oath because many were in court rooms and many were video depositions. :?
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i mean, one has to be logical here, he'd have to have a completely new identity.
I do not have notion in the American law. But a new identity could be real. Perhaps by witness protection. But would that not mean we'll never see him again? Otherwise it would make no sense. :(
I do not give my hope up that it is different. :|
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Hello,
Hey, I'm wondering if someone could please provide an explanation for this, as the FBI just released Michael Jackson's driver's license (a copy of it ) and his confidential Drivers License Number, which is Michael's.
So, we have Jackson's Social Secruity Number not the just released FBI copy of his Drivers License Number. These are the two most confidential forms of ID for anyone and stay with you for life, even if he got another state's drivers license, his original would still remain.
Thus, unless he's been entered into the Witness Protection Program and was given a completely new identity, he died.
period!
thanks!
I don't think I understand your point... His drivers license number was already public before the release of these FBI files, right? It was stated in court documents concerning the child molestation process, wasn't it? So, even though the number is a personal number, I don't see it proving that he died now that it is mentioned in these files.
I see it as a number that CAN be used for identification, that's all. This doesn't proof anything to me, to be honest. My SS# is known all over the place and yes, it is being used for identification. And even though it's a personal number, it's not a secret or anything. The doctor, the dentist, my kid's school, my insurance companies.... All of them have my SS#.
I would be shocked though if the FBI files stated MJ's SS# and that number would correspond with the SS# stated on the death certificate. I don't know whether that's the case, can anybody tell?
To me, Michael Joe Jackson is a different person than Michael Joseph Jackson and as far as I know we have the following information:
Michael Joseph Jackson:
SS# = 303-62-5728
DLN = unknown
Michael Joe Jackson:
SS# = unknown
DLN = N8685798
If anyone has more information: please don't keep it to yourself. But as far as my info goes I'll have to stick with Michael Joseph Jackson the entertainer died, whereas Michael Joe Jackson the person is alive and well!
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It doesn't necessarily mean he's dead just because these numbers were released. If MJ hoaxed his death he obviously wanted everyone to think that he died...that would be the point wouldn't it? If it means anything, it's that he's not coming back. Unless, like was mentioned, he's in witness protection.
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how do we know these are even the real numbers?? :?
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well now at least we all know that Michael Jackson's Real FULL name was - Michael JOE Jackson, Michael Joeseph Jackson was only a stage name !
so this infact makes the Death Cert(s) Legally VOID !/INVALID
:D
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Yep, that's the first thing I noticed reading the FBI files ;)
Michael JOE Jackson
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It would be so cool seeing him driving his Bentley, Rolls Royce etc omg i cant even picture it, how i would react LOL
Waiting till the traffic lights turn green, annoyed cause it takes a while, looking around and gues whos waiting for the green light to in a beauty of a car ahahah mj.
The idea makes me smile from ear to ear hahah so funny:P :mrgreen:
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Yep, that's the first thing I noticed reading the FBI files ;)
Michael JOE Jackson
Same ;)
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Here ya go:
http://foia.fbi.gov/jackson_michael/62d-la-162715.PDF (http://foia.fbi.gov/jackson_michael/62d-la-162715.PDF)
page 8
I have moved from different states too and had to get different drivers licenses, etc...including california. however, that original drivers license number stays with you. when i returned back to my original state, my original drivers license number was just given back to me. it's never erased. thus, even if mike moved and had a different drivers license number, he's california one is still relevant as a major source and form of personal identification.
just don't see how the FBI could release this document, we have the SS number now too.
Michael would have to get a completely NEW identity.
Those are facts.
Thanks!
:roll: no,not really.
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Here ya go:
http://foia.fbi.gov/jackson_michael/62d-la-162715.PDF (http://foia.fbi.gov/jackson_michael/62d-la-162715.PDF)
page 8
I have moved from different states too and had to get different drivers licenses, etc...including california. however, that original drivers license number stays with you. when i returned back to my original state, my original drivers license number was just given back to me. it's never erased. thus, even if mike moved and had a different drivers license number, he's california one is still relevant as a major source and form of personal identification.
just don't see how the FBI could release this document, we have the SS number now too.
Michael would have to get a completely NEW identity.
Those are facts.
Thanks!
:roll: no,not really.
:lol:
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Hello,
Hey, I'm wondering if someone could please provide an explanation for this, as the FBI just released Michael Jackson's driver's license (a copy of it ) and his confidential Drivers License Number, which is Michael's.
So, we have Jackson's Social Secruity Number not the just released FBI copy of his Drivers License Number. These are the two most confidential forms of ID for anyone and stay with you for life, even if he got another state's drivers license, his original would still remain.
Thus, unless he's been entered into the Witness Protection Program and was given a completely new identity, he died.
period!
thanks!
I don't think I understand your point... His drivers license number was already public before the release of these FBI files, right? It was stated in court documents concerning the child molestation process, wasn't it? So, even though the number is a personal number, I don't see it proving that he died now that it is mentioned in these files.
I see it as a number that CAN be used for identification, that's all. This doesn't proof anything to me, to be honest. My SS# is known all over the place and yes, it is being used for identification. And even though it's a personal number, it's not a secret or anything. The doctor, the dentist, my kid's school, my insurance companies.... All of them have my SS#.
I would be shocked though if the FBI files stated MJ's SS# and that number would correspond with the SS# stated on the death certificate. I don't know whether that's the case, can anybody tell?
To me, Michael Joe Jackson is a different person than Michael Joseph Jackson and as far as I know we have the following information:
Michael Joseph Jackson:
SS# = 303-62-5728
DLN = unknown
Michael Joe Jackson:
SS# = unknown
DLN = N8685798
If anyone has more information: please don't keep it to yourself. But as far as my info goes I'll have to stick with Michael Joseph Jackson the entertainer died, whereas Michael Joe Jackson the person is alive and well!
You're right. Here in the USA SS#'s are used for identification, their not kept secret. Job application, schools, doctors, etc ask for your SSN#. Sometimes your asked to give your drivers license too. Just because MJs drivers license, SS# & passports were released does NOT mean he's dead. How do we even know that the numbers are valid? For all we know Michael was given new numbers a long time ago, or for the hoax(if it is a hoax). Don't forget, the drivers license & passports date back to the late 1980s, a lot of things could've changed by now. ;)
I too believe that Michael Joe Jackson is a different person from Michael Joseph Jackson. I think Michael used Joseph as his stage name and Joe has his real life name. So, if this is the case, Michael Joseph Jackson died, but Michael Joe Jackson is alive and well. Basically Michael isn't going to be an entertainer anymore, he might go into a different career such as producing/directing/acting in movies, plus be a father to his children. ;) :)
This thread does make me wonder if this person is trying to convince us that Michael is dead. Are you a believer that he's alive? Or are you a believer that he's dead? I'm not accusing you of anything, we've had a lot of people trolling the hoax forums trying to convince us that Michael's dead. :roll:
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Hello,
Hey, I'm wondering if someone could please provide an explanation for this, as the FBI just released Michael Jackson's driver's license (a copy of it ) and his confidential Drivers License Number, which is Michael's.
So, we have Jackson's Social Secruity Number not the just released FBI copy of his Drivers License Number. These are the two most confidential forms of ID for anyone and stay with you for life, even if he got another state's drivers license, his original would still remain.
Thus, unless he's been entered into the Witness Protection Program and was given a completely new identity, he died.
period!
thanks!
I live in the UK so it might be different in the USA... but things like driver licence numbers and national insurance numbers are not really "secret".
They are documents used for identification reasons.... and i cant really see anyone else using MJs driving licence as their identity!!!
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Yes, and when you release your SS# and/or drivers license number to someone, doctor's office, employer, etc...they're legally obligated to keep that information confidential under HIPAA and other regulations. Why do you think employers have to lock their files, etc...have to make special accomodations if personnel files are destroyed, etc...
Giving someone personally your DL and SS# is much different then displaying it all over the entire world.
Also, joe and joseph mean the same thing, i don't get why you people don't understand that. it's like bill and william (my brothers name) he uses both. mike's middle name is his father's first name, joseph. joe - joesph, why do you people make a big deal about this, half of MJ's legal files say joseph and others say joe, it's the same.
mike said in many LEGAL depositions his middle name was Joseph, so he lied?
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There was a thread about the name issue, can´t find it now. But it said that there is a difference between your legal name and your..uhm..was it nick/stage name?! It explained it, and would mean, that joe and joseph are in fact NOT the same name. Because it makes a difference if your BC says the one or the other, also to other legal documents.
He couldn´t be like "hm, today i feel like joseph" or so.
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[quRE: "He's have to have a completely new identity" --
AND???
(....I'm just sayin'.........) 8-) ote="lauren09"]hum, i goggled it, i can't find it now, but it showed a sample picture, two , of a california drivers license, it had the exact same numbers as Michael's did, 8. nothing had changed.
how do you know this because it's not the information i found.
also, if you look at the trial court documents in 2003, that has his drivers license number, no change.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/jackocharge3.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/jackocharge3.html)
i mean, one has to be logical here, he'd have to have a completely new identity.[/quote]
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If you look it says the driving licence expires in 1989.... so its an OLD document.
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This thread does make me wonder if this person is trying to convince us that Michael is dead. Are you a believer that he's alive? Or are you a believer that he's dead? I'm not accusing you of anything, we've had a lot of people trolling the hoax forums trying to convince us that Michael's dead.
NO, that is not true, I too badly want to believe that Mike is alive, very badly. However, I am a realist and also have to look at FACTS. I have to do this too because I have to prepare myself for what may result in all this. he's either still alive or dead, only one of those two. all his confidential information HAS been released. So, unless he gets an entirely new identity, what can one conclude.[/color]
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But the drivers licence you talk about expired 20 years ago??????
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But the drivers licence you talk about expired 20 years ago??????
HAHA that thing is OLD! Michael IS alive and not dead and I agree with the post two above mine.
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This thread does make me wonder if this person is trying to convince us that Michael is dead. Are you a believer that he's alive? Or are you a believer that he's dead? I'm not accusing you of anything, we've had a lot of people trolling the hoax forums trying to convince us that Michael's dead.
NO, that is not true, I too badly want to believe that Mike is alive, very badly. However, I am a realist and also have to look at FACTS. I have to do this too because I have to prepare myself for what may result in all this. he's either still alive or dead, only one of those two. all his confidential information HAS been released. So, unless he gets an entirely new identity, what can one conclude.[/color]
I understand what your doing. I'm do the same. Please understand, like I said before, we've had a lot of people trolling these forums trying to convince us that Michael's dead, making fun of us and being plain nasty. It's hard to know what peoples motives are anymore. ;)
We do need to look at facts and realize that he could be dead. He also could be alive. It's really hard not knowing what happened to him. :(
About the confidential information: I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, we had access to his drivers license & passport before the FBI files were released. I remember seeing them months ago. They must've been released sometime ago, maybe around the trial time? I don't know, I could be wrong.
I don't know if he has to get a new identity now that his SSN#, drivers license, & passports have been released. If he is alive, we don't know who's helping him. The LAPD might be in on it, the FBI, etc. Depends on the situation. If the LAPD, FBI, etc are involved, I would think they would issue him new numbers for his SSC, DL & Passports, especially if his life is being threatened. :?
Is there anyone on here that can answer our questions? I don't think any of us know the answer 100%. It would be nice if theres someone that can tell us for sure! ;)
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Was his social security number ever released in the past when he was "alive"?
This makes me sad. I know he may be dead... if he is then i need solid proof so i can have closure.
This is why i search for proof he is alive.... i need proof either way.
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Yes, and when you release your SS# and/or drivers license number to someone, doctor's office, employer, etc...they're legally obligated to keep that information confidential under HIPAA and other regulations. Why do you think employers have to lock their files, etc...have to make special accomodations if personnel files are destroyed, etc...
Giving someone personally your DL and SS# is much different then displaying it all over the entire world.
Also, joe and joseph mean the same thing, i don't get why you people don't understand that. it's like bill and william (my brothers name) he uses both. mike's middle name is his father's first name, joseph. joe - joesph, why do you people make a big deal about this, half of MJ's legal files say joseph and others say joe, it's the same.
mike said in many LEGAL depositions his middle name was Joseph, so he lied?
Must be because I'm blond... No, I don't get that at all! Joe may be used to shorten Joseph, but it's still a different name. The name on the birth certificate, that's your only true name. That's the name that has to be on all legal documents, otherwise they're not legit. If that would not be the case, it would be so easy to commit fraud. Wow, especially for me... My true name consists of two names, but I go by a nickname which is nothing like my true name. I've been through enough trouble because of this in the past (and will in the future).
My brothers true name is Pieter, but he goed by Peter. But still his true name has to be on every legal document (passport, drivers license, wedding certificate, his divorce papers, everything). Otherwise they're simply meaningless.
Well, that's my point of view.
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This is Prince's certificate of a live birth and I did not do the red circles,I found it this way.
I believed it was circled because of other people catching on to his real legal middle name is Joe and also Debbie's middle name is spelled wrong.
He is listed as Michael Joseph Jackson as the father and look at his signature..he even signs his full name.Notice too father is hand written in pen,not like the rest of the official document professionally printed where the only things to be written in pen is signatures.
The other document is the legal registered vital record and the information that would be on his birth certificate has his name again listed as Michael Joseph Jackson and the mother's name is blank!
http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv13 ... ael-ja.jpg (http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv130/annapicsforus/MJ/Prince-s-PASSPORT-prince-michael-ja.jpg) Live Birth
http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv13 ... hael-j.jpg (http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv130/annapicsforus/MJ/Important-MUST-SEE-prince-michael-j.jpg) Vital Record
Photobucket is acting up and I cannot embed the images so here are the direct links to the documents from my Photobucket acct.
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If you look it says the driving licence expires in 1989.... so its an OLD document.
It doesn't matter if the Drivers License has expired, i have an expired drives license some where in my files but my drivers license NUMBER stays the same. it doesn't change every time you go in to renew your drivers license, hello!
And no, of course Mike's SS# was never released before he 'died'.
Again, Michel Jackson has said over and over and over again, under oath, during court proceedings and depositions, legal name is Joseph. Do you think he would lie under oath and be open for purjury? I don' t know what else to say. If you want and need to believe Joe and Joseph are different names, then so be it.
Also, that means none of his marriages were legal either. C'mon! I want him desperately to be alive too, I have been a fan for 35 years!
But, you have to look at facts, not cryptic messages and nonsense.
And, if LAPD, FBI, etc...are helping him and he's in the Witness Protection Program (which I highly doubt because he would have taken his children WITH HIM), then we WOULD never know and/or see him again, period. That's what's it's for, to completely establish an ENTIRELY NEW identity.
And, do you think the media would embrace MJ's death hoax, they hate him as do a lot of other people, read the hater stuff, it's disgusting. how is he just supposed to return and come back. Hello, I'm back. This world would make him a laughing joke and humiliate him forever! His credibility as an artist and frankly, a human being, would be completely destroyed.
Whatever...I want to believe too but it doesn't make sense. Something else happened that day that we don't know but is' not that he's still alive. I'm just saying.
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Something to think about...
If someone loses their driver's license, do they have to get a whole new identity? No.
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I dont believe they would hate him I feel it wa all done for a very good reason for his safty and a lesson about the world but there will be some that will diss him but there always has been
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http://foia.fbi.gov/filelink.html?file= ... r-6808.PDF (http://foia.fbi.gov/filelink.html?file=jackson_michael/252b-ir-6808.PDF)
Link to FBI webpage with all documents which is almost 600 pages!
I have am downloading them and haven't read them yet because it take some time for my Norton to scan them before saving and opening but I wonder what is in almost 600 pages...what kind and colour of underwear he had on? :lol:
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Something to think about...
If someone loses their driver's license, do they have to get a whole new identity? No.
What? No, you just go get another drivers license. it's not like you lost your check book and get a new checking account. it's a number that is used to identify you just like a SS# and passport, they're all tied in together!
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Something to think about...
If someone loses their driver's license, do they have to get a whole new identity? No.
No,
They just reissue a new licence with a different licence number so the other number if someone tried to use his licence is reported stolen/invalid and comes up on their system because even some bars now have a scanner to scan to see if it is legitamite.
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What I'm getting from your post is that you're saying since his driver's license number and social security number have been exposed to the public, he has to either be dead or he has to have obtained a completely new identity. But what happens if somebody loses their driver's license or their passport? The numbers are clearly visible to anyone that finds them. All you have to do is apply for a new one, and you don't need a completely new identity just because someone has seen those numbers.
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Something to think about...
If someone loses their driver's license, do they have to get a whole new identity? No.
True, but he did not lose his drivers license. All this information has been released under strict privacy regulations, which can only be released if someone has died. Do you know how many nut cases could go and use that DL# or SS# and open credit cards, accounts, etc...
i don't know... i just don't know.
i don't know how he's just supposed to come back
I don't know how' he's just supposed to establish a new identity
i just don't know.
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Something to think about...
If someone loses their driver's license, do they have to get a whole new identity? No.
No,
They just reissue a new licence with a different licence number so the other number if someone tried to use his licence is reported stolen/invalid and comes up on their system because even some bars now have a scanner to scan to see if it is legitamite.
Yes, exactly.
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Re: Michael Jacksons Drivers License!
by ellbell290 » Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:05 pm
What I'm getting from your post is that you're saying since his driver's license number and social security number have been exposed to the public, he has to either be dead or he has to have obtained a completely new identity. But what happens if somebody loses their driver's license or their passport? The numbers are clearly visible to anyone that finds them. All you have to do is apply for a new one, and you don't need a completely new identity just because someone has seen those numbers.
Yes, but court documents and the FBI have released this stuff, which they are bound to legal regulations regarding this. They werent' just lost, the've been released to the entire world. I am a Human Resources Executive, I know HIPAA and all the regulations associated with it when it comes to employees confidential information. I can't even leave a file open on my desk unattended if it has personal identifing info on it or medical, etc.. I don't know. I wish we had answers, it's exhausting.
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What I'm getting from your post is that you're saying since his driver's license number and social security number have been exposed to the public, he has to either be dead or he has to have obtained a completely new identity. But what happens if somebody loses their driver's license or their passport? The numbers are clearly visible to anyone that finds them. All you have to do is apply for a new one, and you don't need a completely new identity just because someone has seen those numbers.
Also consider though the SIN# was for Michael Joseph Jackson (not legal name) and the one for Michael Joe Jackson was not revealed!
Passports are the same as I mentioned in the drivers licence issue when it is lost or stolen.Passports are the same process,they just report it stolen/invalid and issue a new number.
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No,
They just reissue a new licence with a different licence number so the other number if someone tried to use his licence is reported stolen/invalid and comes up on their system because even some bars now have a scanner to scan to see if it is legitamite.
What, no they don't. I can't tell you how many times I've lost my Social Security Card, probably three - four times. I had to go get a new one. I certainly DID NOT get a new social security Number because I lost the card.
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What I'm getting from your post is that you're saying since his driver's license number and social security number have been exposed to the public, he has to either be dead or he has to have obtained a completely new identity. But what happens if somebody loses their driver's license or their passport? The numbers are clearly visible to anyone that finds them. All you have to do is apply for a new one, and you don't need a completely new identity just because someone has seen those numbers.
Also consider though the SIN# was for Michael Joseph Jackson (not legal name) and the one for Michael Joe Jackson was not revealed!
Passports are the same as I mentioned in the drivers licence issue when it is lost or stolen.Passports are the same process,they just report it stolen/invalid and issue a new number.
Yes, this is what I am trying to say. He can be reissued a new driver's license and a new passport without having to obtain a new identity. :)
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If you look it says the driving licence expires in 1989.... so its an OLD document.
It doesn't matter if the Drivers License has expired, i have an expired drives license some where in my files but my drivers license NUMBER stays the same. it doesn't change every time you go in to renew your drivers license, hello!
And no, of course Mike's SS# was never released before he 'died'.
Again, Michel Jackson has said over and over and over again, under oath, during court proceedings and depositions, legal name is Joseph. Do you think he would lie under oath and be open for purjury? I don' t know what else to say. If you want and need to believe Joe and Joseph are different names, then so be it.
Also, that means none of his marriages were legal either. C'mon! I want him desperately to be alive too, I have been a fan for 35 years!
But, you have to look at facts, not cryptic messages and nonsense.
And, if LAPD, FBI, etc...are helping him and he's in the Witness Protection Program (which I highly doubt because he would have taken his children WITH HIM), then we WOULD never know and/or see him again, period. That's what's it's for, to completely establish an ENTIRELY NEW identity.
And, do you think the media would embrace MJ's death hoax, they hate him as do a lot of other people, read the hater stuff, it's disgusting. how is he just supposed to return and come back. Hello, I'm back. This world would make him a laughing joke and humiliate him forever! His credibility as an artist and frankly, a human being, would be completely destroyed.
Whatever...I want to believe too but it doesn't make sense. Something else happened that day that we don't know but is' not that he's still alive. I'm just saying.
Ok lauren09, you have come to the conclusion that Michael is dead right (NOT!)? So now there is no need to keep repeating what you believe and there's no need for you to look into this any further!
Buh Bye 8-) !!! DUCES
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Also consider though the SIN# was for Michael Joseph Jackson (not legal name) and the one for Michael Joe Jackson was not revealed!
OK, and the info showing for Michael Joseph Jackson, with his SS# just happens to be exactly the same as real Mike's date of birth and date of death.
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Ok lauren09, you have come to the conclusion that Michael is dead right (NOT!)? So now there is no need to keep repeating what you believe and there's no need for you to look into this any further!
Buh Bye !!! DUCES
I'm looking for truth and answers. That's the thing with you people, the minute someone provides the truth or facts, you harass them and won't even look at it. you don't know, i don't know, i just know the facts and the info that has been released by the officials. that's all.
whatever!
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Buh Bye !!! DUCES
And, you're certainly not the only one who loved/loves and respects and admires Michael Jackson. I have a hard time ( a very hard time) stomaching this stuff too!
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Hello,
Hey, I'm wondering if someone could please provide an explanation for this, as the FBI just released Michael Jackson's driver's license (a copy of it ) and his confidential Drivers License Number, which is Michael's.
So, we have Jackson's Social Secruity Number not the just released FBI copy of his Drivers License Number. These are the two most confidential forms of ID for anyone and stay with you for life, even if he got another state's drivers license, his original would still remain.
Thus, unless he's been entered into the Witness Protection Program and was given a completely new identity, he died.
period!
thanks!
That was always a given. What I'd like to know is why the murder cover-up.
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Was his social security number ever released in the past when he was "alive"?
This makes me sad. I know he may be dead... if he is then i need solid proof so i can have closure.
This is why i search for proof he is alive.... i need proof either way.
No, It was not released while he was alive.
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Yes, and when you release your SS# and/or drivers license number to someone, doctor's office, employer, etc...they're legally obligated to keep that information confidential under HIPAA and other regulations. Why do you think employers have to lock their files, etc...have to make special accomodations if personnel files are destroyed, etc...
Giving someone personally your DL and SS# is much different then displaying it all over the entire world.
Also, joe and joseph mean the same thing, i don't get why you people don't understand that. it's like bill and william (my brothers name) he uses both. mike's middle name is his father's first name, joseph. joe - joesph, why do you people make a big deal about this, half of MJ's legal files say joseph and others say joe, it's the same.
mike said in many LEGAL depositions his middle name was Joseph, so he lied?
Must be because I'm blond... No, I don't get that at all! Joe may be used to shorten Joseph, but it's still a different name. The name on the birth certificate, that's your only true name. That's the name that has to be on all legal documents, otherwise they're not legit. If that would not be the case, it would be so easy to commit fraud. Wow, especially for me... My true name consists of two names, but I go by a nickname which is nothing like my true name. I've been through enough trouble because of this in the past (and will in the future).
My brothers true name is Pieter, but he goed by Peter. But still his true name has to be on every legal document (passport, drivers license, wedding certificate, his divorce papers, everything). Otherwise they're simply meaningless.
Well, that's my point of view.
I do not have two of anything that has the same identical name on it. I'm still legit. Some people have Chas. on their records instead of Charles for example.
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You know what I'm thinking about? We have his driver license Number and Social security Numbers but what if Michael changed his identity now? What if he changed his name and his physical appearance? It means new Driver License and Social security numbers so we don't care about the last ones and they can now show them to us. What do you think?
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Can you post a link to the documents? I would like to see them. I have had drivers license in about 5 different states from moving. Some states require you to surrender your old license from another state if you have one, some do not. It is not a big deal. You can easily have more than one license from different states. In another post, it shows that MJ had two different Social Security numbers also. Again, not a big deal. My husband accidently got two different numbers when applying for a replacement card. It happens.
The FBI releasing this information does not necessarily prove he's "dead".
Hi Jill,
Michael did NOT have 2 ss numbers. The person who wrote that was misinformed or assumed something. He only had one.
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You know what I'm thinking about? We have his driver license Number and Social security Numbers but what if Michael changed his identity now? What if he changed his name and his physical appearance? It means new Driver License and Social security numbers so we don't care about the last ones and they can now show them to us. What do you think?
Maybe, but you can't just go get a new social security number and all this other stuff, there has to be a significant reason. And yes, Michael Joseph Jackson is his name, period, his RELEASED SS# is his number, his DL# is his number. This Michael Joe Jackson stuff is nonsense. It's the same person, Michael Joseph Jackson - the who's bad one!
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I agree with you lauren09...although it's disappointing, the Joseph/Joe names don't mean a thing. We've found many lawyers online all giving the same answer regarding this. In fact, Harvey from TMZ, who is a lawyer, was asked today about MJ's middle names and he also said it wouldn't make a difference at all...the documents would still be legal. http://www.tmz.com/tmzlive?autoplay=tru ... 0e34cd333a (http://www.tmz.com/tmzlive?autoplay=true&mediaKey=a983f4b0-933e-41c8-bfc1-610e34cd333a) It seems people don't want to believe anything that might dispute the hoax. We need to start accepting the facts...because, as far as I'm concernced, that's the only way we're ever going to figure out what happened.
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You know what I'm thinking about? We have his driver license Number and Social security Numbers but what if Michael changed his identity now? What if he changed his name and his physical appearance? It means new Driver License and Social security numbers so we don't care about the last ones and they can now show them to us. What do you think?
Maybe, but you can't just go get a new social security number and all this other stuff, there has to be a significant reason. And yes, Michael Joseph Jackson is his name, period, his RELEASED SS# is his number, his DL# is his number. This Michael Joe Jackson stuff is nonsense. It's the same person, Michael Joseph Jackson - the who's bad one!
Yes those pesky FBI guys are all just full of nonsense.
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I just can't get over the fact that apparently in the USA, one can use different names on documents and these documents would still be legal... It would just be too easy to commit fraud, wouldn't it? There's no way in our country, you could get away with this...
For real: my son's name is Thomas. As it turns out, our doctor also has a patient who's name is Tom, has the exact same last name as us AND is even born on the exact same date as my son. So there's a Thomas and a Tom, same last name, same birthdate... But they're still different people!
In my country, legal cases have gone wrong because the name of the accused was spelled wrong. The whole case dismissed just because of a typo. So, why would the court documents say Michael Joe Jackson if his name is Michael Joseph Jackson... I just don't understand...
For now, I'm sticking to my point of view. Not convinced by your arguments lauren09.
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"you people"
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I search clue, but I don't find
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I don't get this !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Michael's drivers license.... which is a LEGAl document... (if these pics are valid) says his name is Michael JOE Jackson.
His death certificate says his name (or the person who died) is Michael Joseph Jackson!!!!! Common- What does his birth certificate say his name is? It has to be the same!!! You cannot use a nickname on either. Maybe, MAYBE...a DIFFERENT Michael whoever Jackson died! Maybe the death cert. isn't real and it's because that is NOT his real name after all. Man it all fits!!
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I agree with you lauren09...although it's disappointing, the Joseph/Joe names don't mean a thing. We've found many lawyers online all giving the same answer regarding this. In fact, Harvey from TMZ, who is a lawyer, was asked today about MJ's middle names and he also said it wouldn't make a difference at all...the documents would still be legal. http://www.tmz.com/tmzlive?autoplay=tru ... 0e34cd333a (http://www.tmz.com/tmzlive?autoplay=true&mediaKey=a983f4b0-933e-41c8-bfc1-610e34cd333a) It seems people don't want to believe anything that might dispute the hoax. We need to start accepting the facts...because, as far as I'm concernced, that's the only way we're ever going to figure out what happened.
Yes, they would be legal with the false name, if Michael was actually dead - unless there's somebody with the same name and date of birth And that is, because EVERYONE knows, who we are talking about.
If he's ALIVE, the DC wouldn't be legal both ways - no matter, if it stated Joe or Joseph.
I guess, nobody dares to contact the FBI to ask, why they use "Joseph" on their website, although ALL their documents state his true name was "Joe" :lol:
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Has anyone found his birth cert?
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HI PEOPLE, CALM DOWN. THIS IS A BULLSHIT. FIRST, LAUREN09, WHERE DO YOU SEE SSN? I COULD NOT LOCATE IT; 2ND- THE DL HAD EXPIRED IN 1989 AND MJ COULD NOT TRAVEL TO LONDON OR ANYWHERE WITH EXPIRED DL; 3d- IN 1993 MICHAEL WAS LIVING IN NEVERLAND AND IT WAS HIS RSIDENSE AND DL SHOULD SHOW ADDRESS AT NEVERLAND, NOT HAYVENHURST; 4th- THIS IS A LETTER FAXED SUPPOSEDLY FROM LONDON TO LA POLICE DEPT FOR COOPERATION, WHY THE DID NOT FAX TO SANTA BARBARA POLICE DEPT. FOR COOPERATION, THE DEPT OF DEFENDAND RESIDENCE; 5th- FBI HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS KIND OF ALLEGATIONS; 6th- I WILL CHECK AUTHENTICITY OF THIS DL NUMBER; AT LAST, EVEN IF THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN TRUTH DOCUMENT, FBI OR POLICE DEPT HAS NO RIGHT TO RELEASE IT. BUT, I SAY THIS IS FAKE PEACE OF SHIT. ;)
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I MISSED TO STATE THAT MJ IS JOSEPH JACKSON, NOT JOE; HAYVENHURST ADDRESS CITY IS ENCINO, NOT LOS ANGELES, WHAT I SEE IS A MOTOR VEHICLE REPORT AND APPLICATION FOR LIC, HOW IT IS RELATED TO MOLESTATION ALLEGATION. WHAT ARE THOSE BLANK PAGES WITH A FEW CHINESE WRITING ON IT?
FINALLY, THE DOCUMENTS OF THESE CONTEXT COULD NOT BE FAXED SINCE IT IS CONFIDENTIAL. SO, PLEASE...............GIVE ME A BREAK.
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Calm down people!
I'm a believer, BUT i agree with Lauren.
Each time someone finds something that proofs a POSSIBILITY that he's not alive,
you give the member a hard time.
Is this investigating? NO.
Is this what Michael would want? NO.
' Make the change!' well, saying things like 'BS' to this member doesn't proof you're getting the message. This member only says what she has found.
This board is nothing without the members who search for answers!
Without them, we would be nowhere.
And what if it turns out him to be really gone?
I'm just saying...
I believe with whole my heart he's still with us; but there's also a possibility he's not.
we're all here to know the truth!
( even if the truth is not what we want it to be)
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He is listed as Michael Joseph Jackson and lots of other spelling errors as well,such as his mother's name,etc
Could this mean they were legally married because the information has to have legal full names on them?
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POSSIBILITY THAT MICHAEL IS ALIVE OR NOT AS WELL AS INVESTIGATION OF ANY CASE CANNOT BE BASED ON FAKE DOCUMENTS . SIMLE AS THAT.
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HI PEOPLE, CALM DOWN. THIS IS A BULLSHIT. FIRST, LAUREN09, WHERE DO YOU SEE SSN? I COULD NOT LOCATE IT; 2ND- THE DL HAD EXPIRED IN 1989 AND MJ COULD NOT TRAVEL TO LONDON OR ANYWHERE WITH EXPIRED DL; 3d- IN 1993 MICHAEL WAS LIVING IN NEVERLAND AND IT WAS HIS RSIDENSE AND DL SHOULD SHOW ADDRESS AT NEVERLAND, NOT HAYVENHURST; 4th- THIS IS A LETTER FAXED SUPPOSEDLY FROM LONDON TO LA POLICE DEPT FOR COOPERATION, WHY THE DID NOT FAX TO SANTA BARBARA POLICE DEPT. FOR COOPERATION, THE DEPT OF DEFENDAND RESIDENCE; 5th- FBI HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS KIND OF ALLEGATIONS; 6th- I WILL CHECK AUTHENTICITY OF THIS DL NUMBER; AT LAST, EVEN IF THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN TRUTH DOCUMENT, FBI OR POLICE DEPT HAS NO RIGHT TO RELEASE IT. BUT, I SAY THIS IS FAKE PEACE OF SHIT. ;)
Last time i checked, it is a PASSPORT that is needed to travel abroad and not a DRIVING LICENCE.