Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators

Hoax Theories => Michael's Reasons to hoax his death => Topic started by: EarthEnigma on April 19, 2011, 11:01:37 AM

Title: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: EarthEnigma on April 19, 2011, 11:01:37 AM
I think Michael Jackson will be used, is already being used by shadowy characters to become the new Jesus of the new era. New content just added to my blog:

http://earthenigma.wordpress.com/2009/0 ... n-in-2012/ (http://earthenigma.wordpress.com/2009/08/23/will-michael-jackson-return-in-2012/)

What dya think?
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: MissG on April 19, 2011, 11:09:32 AM
I read 1 post of your blog. I need more time but i´ll read back. thanks for posting.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: GINAFELICIA on April 19, 2011, 11:21:53 AM
correct me if I'm wrong: you think Michael will be used by Illuminati to "work" some kind of "ressurection" miracle that will fool the world into believing Michael is the saviour of the world, dropping him from clouds like Jesus?

well....everything is possible.
But your theory would make MJ the false prophet the Revlation book is talking about.
I hope this won't happen, but if it will, i would still love him.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: RK on April 19, 2011, 11:27:40 AM
What you are suggesting would make Michael the antichrist. I don't buy that sorry.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: looking4truth on April 19, 2011, 11:33:09 AM
Thanks for sharing your theory. You're not the only one thinking that. My brother mentioned that possibility as well. However, my gut says that's not the case but you never know. Anything is possible.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: hesouttamylife on April 19, 2011, 11:41:27 AM
I've thought of Michael being the angelic prophetic voice for our generation.  But to think that a stunt will be pulled to this magnitude kinda creeps me out. :shock:  :?
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Andrea on April 19, 2011, 11:50:57 AM
EarthEnigma, from your blog:

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If Michael Jackson is indeed alive, he is without doubt the most powerful tool at the illuminati’s disposal and he will be used to full effect.

I believe their most powerful tool is FEAR.

I have actually considered before what you said in your blog, that Michael is being used by TPTB.  But, it makes much more sense to me that Michael is very much against their agenda and will expose them when he returns.  He may have been under their influence many years ago but I truly believe that he is nobody's puppet.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: jacilovesmichael on April 19, 2011, 11:58:29 AM
Quote from: "Andrea"
EarthEnigma, from your blog:

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If Michael Jackson is indeed alive, he is without doubt the most powerful tool at the illuminati’s disposal and he will be used to full effect.

I believe their most powerful tool is FEAR.

I have actually considered before what you said in your blog, that Michael is being used by TPTB.  But, it makes much more sense to me that Michael is very much against their agenda and will expose them when he returns.  He may have been under their influence many years ago but I truly believe that he is nobody's puppet.

Agreed.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Aintnosunshine on April 19, 2011, 03:03:36 PM
Please guys .... no offence intended.  

But as an "old eurpoean" I do have a hard time to get the gist of all this antichrist-paranoia. Who are these people that seem to take bible metaphors and parables LITERALLY?  

Bible was written at times when Jesus`followers, disciples and gospels truely believed the end would have been near - soon, very soon (during their own lifetime) they were expecting a final battle (armageddon). We all know that did not happen for more than 2000 years  but instead  ..... something woderful happened:  the message of love was spread all over the world (well, leaving details of the not always glory history of christianity aside).

But isn`t there a totally different approch to christian´belief now .... ?
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: MJonmind on April 19, 2011, 03:14:20 PM
I'm going to read your blog later, but Supervision got heavy into what you're saying.
Personally I believe God's got some major twists and tricks up his sleeve. Afterall, He's the major storyteller, the ultimate. It aint over till it's over. Good surprises for all humanity. Michael is nobody's fool, that I'm sure of.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Believe 777 on April 19, 2011, 05:14:08 PM
Quote from: "EarthEnigma"
I think Michael Jackson will be used, is already being used by shadowy characters to become the new Jesus of the new era. New content just added to my blog:

http://earthenigma.wordpress.com/2009/0 ... n-in-2012/ (http://earthenigma.wordpress.com/2009/08/23/will-michael-jackson-return-in-2012/)

What dya think?

I haven't read all of your blog but I will later on. This is a huge subject and one that I have thought myself. My insticts say that the result will be a good one because even if this is true, Michaels children and family etc... are so happy?, so in my eyes if they are happy then so is Michael. If he was going to be used in this way I can't believe they would be ok with what is happening, let alone help if it was going to result in something negative. I also do not believe that it is in Michaels nature to want to be worshipped by the world. He spent his life only being able to watch from a protected and iscolated distance, hence the disguises so he could go out in public unrecognised, I'm sure he would want to feel united with us. I'm sure he wants genuine respect and love from us but not worship. Maybe I am wrong, who knows but whatever and whoever is involved in this agenda would be being self defeatest if they use Michael to unite the World in love (in whatever capacity) and succeed because once humanity has united on a global scale then we are incredibly strong in a unbreakable way. Could they control a World filled with diverse people who are connected in love and truth?  We would have taken back the world for ourselves, however this would come about, we are in the process of doing it now! Once united, love will be the biggest strength and on a global scale this is the most powerful force. Surely this world changing agenda would only lose their hold on us because we would no longer be blind. They control by keeping us blind and in fear, so united in love must mean they have lost control.
They didn't think Michael would out-think them, how do we know exactly what he was talking about? I strongly believe Michael is always one or more steps ahead and I don't believe he is still under mind control if he ever was. I do think we are in for something spectacular and on a scale that the world has never seen and there is only one thing to fear and that is fear itself and united we can overcome that and them.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on April 19, 2011, 05:20:00 PM
No matter how religious Michael is, he will never do that. He will never take a place of Jesus.. Are you kidding me? come on let's be logical here.. Yes Michael is a very special person, but will never replace Jesus in my book. I love Michael with all my heart, but I love Jesus more. There was on one Jesus who died on the cross for us, and that is final. Blessings.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: ~Souza~ on April 19, 2011, 06:40:11 PM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "Andrea"
EarthEnigma, from your blog:

Quote
If Michael Jackson is indeed alive, he is without doubt the most powerful tool at the illuminati’s disposal and he will be used to full effect.

I believe their most powerful tool is FEAR.

I have actually considered before what you said in your blog, that Michael is being used by TPTB.  But, it makes much more sense to me that Michael is very much against their agenda and will expose them when he returns.  He may have been under their influence many years ago but I truly believe that he is nobody's puppet.

Agreed.

I agree as well, he's not their puppet anymore, they don't control him anymore. He made that very clear in his silent panther dance and it was confirmed when they started to take him down. He is the puppeteer now. Mark MY words.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: suspicious mind on April 19, 2011, 06:57:51 PM
Quote from: "MJonmind"
I'm going to read your blog later, but Supervision got heavy into what you're saying.
Personally I believe God's got some major twists and tricks up his sleeve. Afterall, He's the major storyteller, the ultimate. It aint over till it's over. Good surprises for all humanity. Michael is nobody's fool, that I'm sure of.

i do think it is possible that some will want to place michael in this position.not even necessarily the ptb, and many will be fooled but i don't really think he will be making any such claims himself. i am guessing he could be well aware that this could happen also. but it is our own souls on the line and it is up to us to be watchful about them. but as MJonmind said God Almighty has a few major tricks up his sleeve. and he and only he will prevail in the end.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: ROFL on April 19, 2011, 09:54:17 PM
why is your title "new jesus"? because from what you're saying I'd say the antichrist... Or maybe I'm just confused  :x
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: loveratheart4mj on April 19, 2011, 11:09:59 PM
Michael was raised by his mama to have love in his heart for Jesus. Not to BE Jesus. No way do i agree with this post. MJ wants only Peace and Love for us all. Michael you rock it. We love you. May our precious Jesus protect you MJ in all you do. Please return soon. Love from Oklahoma
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: MJonmind on April 19, 2011, 11:11:07 PM
Anti-Christ means in place of Christ. But how do Christians know for sure that they would recognize the true Christ when he comes, if he comes, since they've been expecting him for 2000 years and still nothing. Will he look like the famous painting or the S.S. pictures of Jesus? The Bible says Satan disguises himself as an angel of light, a minister of righteousness. He can also perform miracles and wonders, and appear to people in dreams and visions, called in Scripture, false signs and wonders. It also says that the Anti-Christ will deceive the whole world and if possible even the elect--"the whole world will follow after the Beast". Many Scripture verses indicate that Jesus said he would return in their lifetime or generation, and many verses say he is coming very soon, and thus to account for that, one doctrinal view is "preterism" --that Christ already came just after 70AD when Jerusalem was raised to the ground and the Christians scattered. There are many online sites that show that at the very top of leadership in the Catholic and Evangelical churches today they are also aligning themselves with the NWO (the very largest of powerful churches), alongside Islam and other world religions into a one-world religion. Most north-american churches are streamlining themselves into that direction as well. Can anyone really be sure they are going to recognize the right guy from the wrong one. The religious leaders in the time of Jesus, did not recognize Him when he came. Do Christians think they will have better luck and perception this time round.

I strongly believe that God is in complete control of history, past and future, and all the Universe which He created out of nothing. The Bible says that God is the one who creates evil and calamity, for His own purposes to fulfill His will and to bring ultimate good for all mankind. Like He hardened Pharoah's heart to not let the Israelites leave Egypt, and planned for Judas to betray Jesus to create the death on the cross scenario, God also plans for the Anti-Christ scenario and final Armageddon battle,  and puts into hearts to love evil. And just like God changed the Apostle Paul's evil murderous heart to good just like that by blinding him with light, God can at the snap of His fingers change the most evil people on earth to suddenly love Him. It is God who moves within us, gives us faith, takes the veil from our eyes to see. There is only an illusion of free will and that we choose to do evil or good ourselves. God totally knows the future, and the Bible says we are predestined from before the foundation of the earth, and at the end EVERY knee will bow in heaven and on earth. Not one will burn in hell, but it all makes one **** of a story!! JMO

Exodus 4:21 (King James Version)
 
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21And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.
Revelation 17:17
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17For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
Isaiah 45:7 (King James Version)
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7  I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Rom 9:14-24  This are good verses showing God can and does as He wishes for the greater good, so how could mankind be held responsible when God has set the stage for temptation and then deliverance.

From my study I have come to believe the Bible teaches that in the end ALL will be saved, every human ever created, but currently it seems as though evil prevails, in this present evil age. JMO Perhaps 2012 will be the start of a future age. It's all a part of The Plan.

About Michael's role, how do we know if the evil powers may think he's their puppet, but God may be blinding their eyes, and God instead has plans for Michael to be working for Him? Anything's possible. What a way to destroy the enemy--from within!!
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: GINAFELICIA on April 20, 2011, 01:07:57 AM
I have one dilema: why is the Bible telling us in advance we shall be fooled by a false prophet? This way we won't be fooled because we already know  about it. The same with the beast and his 666 number of his name - if we are alaredy adviced about it, we'll know when it comes, so what's the point?
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: EarthEnigma on April 20, 2011, 02:21:24 AM
Please, we're going off the point somewhat. There is not one shred of credible historical information that says Jesus ever existed. He wasn't a physical man, he was a gnostic character who we all must become to reach enlightenment. Jesus didn't die to save humanity.... Literalist Christians murdered the gnostics and changed the meaning of the religion - to believe in a physical Jesus to control you. The Roman Empire decided this and it has continued to this day. A little research is all anyone needs to do. The Bible is 100% esoteric, 0% literal history. And another thing, if you researched REVELATION, you'd learn that it is ALL about the rise and fall of the Roman Empire along with gnostic enlightenment words. Everything historical in revelation has already happened, the rest it for you to use to develop you soul.

The point is, that the Illuminati may well choose to make Revelation come true. The words are written, so they'll create their MJ trick with that in mind. It wouldn't mean the bible is true, just that people wrote a play with the Bible in mind.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: MJonmind on April 20, 2011, 02:36:56 AM
If that's the case, then I don't understand why you would think it was something to worry about.  If all history is games by men and nothing can be believed because it's all made up anyway. :?
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: GINAFELICIA on April 20, 2011, 03:44:56 AM
Quote from: "EarthEnigma"
Please, we're going off the point somewhat. There is not one shred of credible historical information that says Jesus ever existed. He wasn't a physical man, he was a gnostic character who we all must become to reach enlightenment.

Jesus never existed.....they just wrote a scenario about him and spreaded it on the whole planet. Go figure...

But I wonder where those words of wisdom in the gospells came from ......the writer must have been really inspired.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: hesouttamylife on April 20, 2011, 08:23:31 AM
As far as Jesus and the anti Christ goes, I feel if people just follow their hearts and do what they know is right, it doesn't matter who comes.  Michael Jackson never asked anyone to do anything that in my opinion could be considered a cardinal sin.  He never asked anyone to give him anything in return for all he gave.  His only request, to love ourselves, our children and all living things on the planet. Many think there is evil in Michael evidenced by his entrancing ability, his onstage body language, and supposed subliminal messages in his music. I don't get it, but I will say this, If that's what the anti Christ has chosen to use to betray and control the people, then I guess I'm just going to have to go to hell. :roll:

This article is dangerous.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Starchild on April 20, 2011, 10:21:12 AM
Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"
But I wonder where those words of wisdom in the gospells came from ......the writer must have been really inspired.
(A bit off-topic, nevertheless.)  

Writers of the Gospels is what most religious scholars posit today.  Biblical scholar Bart Ehrman has written several books on the origins of the Gospels, the Bible as a whole, and Christianity in general including his latest:  http://http://www.amazon.com/Forged-Writing-God--Why-Bibles-Authors/dp/0062012614/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1303307040&sr=1-1.  
Although I haven't read Ehrman's latest book, I have read some of his earlier books on the subject.  He is a respected scholar in his field, but of course, there are other scholars who beg to differ with his perspective who are just as respected. ;)

Regarding MJ as the "New Jesus," like someone else already mentioned, I don't think he'd stand for that or "for being anybody's puppet" and would quickly go about setting people straight. :D
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: GINAFELICIA on April 20, 2011, 10:39:04 AM
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
many think there is evil in Michael evidenced by his entrancing ability, his onstage body language, and supposed subliminal messages in his music. I don't get it, but I will say this, If that's what the anti Christ has chosen to use to betray and control the people, then I guess I'm just going to have to go to hell. :roll:

This article is dangerous.


Me too.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: maninthemoon on April 20, 2011, 11:01:03 AM
I come to think Michael Jackson had nothing to do with the Illuminati. Even if he did, there's nothing he can do about it.. Well, he is a "big miracle" in all of this and he has authority to put things up and tell what he has to, but the Illuminati exists and they're planning something much bigger. They've new technology no one is aware of, - even if we merge the entire army of L.O.V.E lead by MJ we can't stop what they're doing. The least we can do is expose the Illuminati, but really many of the 'big peeps' these days are corrupted. Lady Gaga for an example, I think. More than one of his music videos point out satanism. And that is why no one would do anything about it even if we exposed them..

Here is my opinion. I think Michael faked his death for personal reasons. Media doggin' him around, - his children and friends.. everyone was in danger. He had to step out of the spotlight for some time and see if the media will regret. Ehm, no they don't (it seems). I can still see the "WACKO JACKO" popping in my daily life. And ignorance.. it's getting on my nerves. Everyone should know and try to understand what's going on.

Blessings and much L.O.V.E.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Starchild on April 20, 2011, 11:12:07 AM
Angranity, I agree with Andrea:
Quote from: "Andrea"
I believe their most powerful tool is FEAR.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: MissG on April 20, 2011, 11:25:57 AM
The symbolism of numbers have a meaning depending which cultural backround one have as well as filosophy, religion views and many other historical factors.

MJ is not "the new coming Christ", and nobody will be. The word Christ=MJ should be taken as a metaphor as the story went for Jesus.

When and if MJ comes back, people would look for common explanations as MJ faked death to save career, MJ faked death to save life, MJ faked death to show how numb society can be and a long etc but the least scenario is people telling the world that MJ is the new Jesus. In that case, the new religion would be called "Jacksonism" and even tho MJ has followers the impact worldwide would never be as huge as christianism for over 2000 years  ;) (or may be...who knows...i´ll not be alive to confirm it).

Who are the "illuminati with tomati" anyway?
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: maninthemoon on April 20, 2011, 11:59:53 AM
Quote from: "Gema"
The symbolism of numbers have a meaning depending which cultural backround one have as well as filosophy, religion views and many other historical factors.

MJ is not "the new coming Christ", and nobody will be. The word Christ=MJ should be taken as a metaphor as the story went for Jesus.

When and if MJ comes back, people would look for common explanations as MJ faked death to save career, MJ faked death to save life, MJ faked death to show how numb society can be and a long etc but the least scenario is people telling the world that MJ is the new Jesus. In that case, the new religion would be called "Jacksonism" and even tho MJ has followers the impact worldwide would never be as huge as christianism for over 2000 years  ;) (or may be...who knows...i´ll not be alive to confirm it).

Who are the "illuminati with tomati" anyway?
Jackonism, haha! :lol:

Michael Jackson is a long-time entertainer & singer. He isn't the messiah, he isn't the christ. Definitely not the New Jesus. He is just like anybody else (and that's what he has been telling us). "We unite as one", - "we are the world". Well there's one different thing he has done! He possibly pulled the largest and greatest prank on us all (his death hoax). :lol:

But seriously guys. MJ loves the world and he hates the media. How could this point out to being an anti-christ? He has always been like this, it's not like the Illuminati hired him.. c'mon. :lol: Unless he lied, which I doubt. Why would he have started lying since he were born? I don't think anyone knew him (except his family) when he were born.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Sanity on April 20, 2011, 12:21:26 PM
Quote from: "angranity"
Quote from: "Gema"
The symbolism of numbers have a meaning depending which cultural backround one have as well as filosophy, religion views and many other historical factors.

MJ is not "the new coming Christ", and nobody will be. The word Christ=MJ should be taken as a metaphor as the story went for Jesus.

When and if MJ comes back, people would look for common explanations as MJ faked death to save career, MJ faked death to save life, MJ faked death to show how numb society can be and a long etc but the least scenario is people telling the world that MJ is the new Jesus. In that case, the new religion would be called "Jacksonism" and even tho MJ has followers the impact worldwide would never be as huge as christianism for over 2000 years  ;) (or may be...who knows...i´ll not be alive to confirm it).

Who are the "illuminati with tomati" anyway?
Jackonism, haha! :lol:

Michael Jackson is a long-time entertainer & singer. He isn't the messiah, he isn't the christ. Definitely not the New Jesus. He is just like anybody else (and that's what he has been telling us). "We unite as one", - "we are the world". Well there's one different thing he has done! He possibly pulled the largest and greatest prank on us all (his death hoax). :lol:

But seriously guys. MJ loves the world and he hates the media. How could this point out to being an anti-christ? He has always been like this, it's not like the Illuminati hired him.. c'mon. :lol: Unless he lied, which I doubt. Why would he have started lying since he were born? I don't think anyone knew him (except his family) when he were born.

I'm with you.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: GINAFELICIA on April 20, 2011, 01:22:36 PM
Quote from: "angranity"
He had to step out of the spotlight for some time and see if the media will regret. Ehm, no they don't (it seems). I can still see the "WACKO JACKO" popping in my daily life.

and that's something I just don't understand. Why would they still talk bad of a dead person ?!

We're making way too much of this story with the hoax in my opinion.
He was angel, he was archangel Michael, for some he was Jesus, now he;s the false prophet.... I'm glad there are only 19 months left and we'll see if the whole 2012 story is true.
I think Liz described him the best when calling him a modern prophet.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: peacock7 on April 20, 2011, 01:41:28 PM
As I mentioned before, the NWO does have its agenda.  They have been mind funking people for generations.  They say that Bob Hope was a big handler.  Some think he handled Tiger from age 3 and then turned him over.  They say that when Tiger was caught snoring after his "accident", indicated that that is what sometimes happens to mind controlled victims when they are shutting down or whatever.  They are programmed to sleep at some point.  Just need sleep.  And on and on.

Remember, Anna Nicole Smith and the doll on video?  That's what made me think of Blanket and the window.  (Doll baby)  Oh my God!  I was so upset by that, because I saw what was going on, and what probably had gone on.  God rest her soul.

And listen to this.  I think Quincy Jones is a frienemy of MJ's.  I think he was MJ's handler at one time.  Check out a sort of recent interview from him where he boasts about - "Yeah - I handled Michael Jackson alright.", or something along those lines.  I also think that is when the other MJ came out.  There is an interview of Quincy with a young MJ right after Thriller, and my God.  I'm not sure that that was MJ.  He sounded very scripted.  

I don't respect the man.  I give him credit for his great musical/conductor skills but that is about it.  I read a couple of months ago that he is getting ready to Remaster the Off The Wall album.  That would be sweet, I must admit, but I don't care for the runt.  He is jealous of MJ and always has been after Thriller.  He recently said that the Jackson family should have given him more credit and money for making MJ into such a huge star. :roll:

I read where he asked MJ to bend over, and MJ wouldn't and never did.  I also read where Eddie Murphy made a play on MJ, and he told him to get lost, and that he didn't get down like that.  It would be a little funny if it all wasn't so sad.

Btw, have you all seen all of the videos lately of newscasters talking gibberish out of the blue on camera?  Judge Judy is the latest one to do it.  They also have many mind controlled victims in TV news.  Much of this is coming out, and it is amazing, because people are waking up to all of these evil doers and they want it to stop.  I heard that some group was protecting MJ and the Jacksons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHDVZfKQ1Fk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHDVZfKQ1Fk)

P.S..  Did anyone ever give any ideas on what Justin Bieber most likely meant when he gave credit to MJ when he won some awards or whatever it was (sorry), and the audience was hushed upon hearing him go on about MJ?  I think that MJ has opened some kind of Portal/Vortex for many artists, sort of speak.  No pun intended necessarily, but it does stand to reason that "what goes up, must come down."  In other words, whatever traps/ties these artists found themselves in are being loosened by MJ and his Team.  They are waking up in more ways than one.

Lastly, I heard that Congress was full of Hologramed congressman. :?:

Omer's lyrics - "You ain't gonna stop my team.  We gone roll like bigfoot, can't stop.  Nah I mean."

What a web.........................................................
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: hesouttamylife on April 20, 2011, 01:54:46 PM
I have always had some issues with Quincey Jones concerning Michael.  I just don't get a good vibe from him.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: maninthemoon on April 20, 2011, 03:38:38 PM
Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"
Quote from: "angranity"
He had to step out of the spotlight for some time and see if the media will regret. Ehm, no they don't (it seems). I can still see the "WACKO JACKO" popping in my daily life.

and that's something I just don't understand. Why would they still talk bad of a dead person ?!

We're making way too much of this story with the hoax in my opinion.
He was angel, he was archangel Michael, for some he was Jesus, now he;s the false prophet.... I'm glad there are only 19 months left and we'll see if the whole 2012 story is true.
I think Liz described him the best when calling him a modern prophet.
But isn't he supposed to come back the 7th of July? All the numerology counts towards that date.. :ugeek:
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: GINAFELICIA on April 20, 2011, 03:46:01 PM
please don't make fun of this, it's painful enough.

Nobody knows for sure if he's alive ....how should we know when he comes back (IF he comes back) ?
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: maninthemoon on April 20, 2011, 03:48:55 PM
Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"
please don't make fun of this, it's painful enough.

Nobody knows for sure if he's alive ....how should we know when he comes back (IF he comes back) ?
Aaaandd.. what is this? :lol:

This is too much of a big COINCIDENCE, to be COINCIDENCE. All the numerology is exact, - Houdini clues, fake photos. Everything we've discovered in the past two years will finally join together. Can you see it? Can you feel it? We are close, Gina! Don't give up. ;)
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: looking4truth on April 21, 2011, 10:18:09 AM
Quote from: "peacock7"
As I mentioned before, the NWO does have its agenda.  They have been mind funking people for generations.  They say that Bob Hope was a big handler.  Some think he handled Tiger from age 3 and then turned him over.  They say that when Tiger was caught snoring after his "accident", indicated that that is what sometimes happens to mind controlled victims when they are shutting down or whatever.  They are programmed to sleep at some point.  Just need sleep.  And on and on.

Remember, Anna Nicole Smith and the doll on video?  That's what made me think of Blanket and the window.  (Doll baby)  Oh my God!  I was so upset by that, because I saw what was going on, and what probably had gone on.  God rest her soul.

And listen to this.  I think Quincy Jones is a frienemy of MJ's.  I think he was MJ's handler at one time.  Check out a sort of recent interview from him where he boasts about - "Yeah - I handled Michael Jackson alright.", or something along those lines.  I also think that is when the other MJ came out.  There is an interview of Quincy with a young MJ right after Thriller, and my God.  I'm not sure that that was MJ.  He sounded very scripted.  

I don't respect the man.  I give him credit for his great musical/conductor skills but that is about it.  I read a couple of months ago that he is getting ready to Remaster the Off The Wall album.  That would be sweet, I must admit, but I don't care for the runt.  He is jealous of MJ and always has been after Thriller.  He recently said that the Jackson family should have given him more credit and money for making MJ into such a huge star. :roll:

I read where he asked MJ to bend over, and MJ wouldn't and never did.  I also read where Eddie Murphy made a play on MJ, and he told him to get lost, and that he didn't get down like that.  It would be a little funny if it all wasn't so sad.

Btw, have you all seen all of the videos lately of newscasters talking gibberish out of the blue on camera?  Judge Judy is the latest one to do it.  They also have many mind controlled victims in TV news.  Much of this is coming out, and it is amazing, because people are waking up to all of these evil doers and they want it to stop.  I heard that some group was protecting MJ and the Jacksons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHDVZfKQ1Fk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHDVZfKQ1Fk)

P.S..  Did anyone ever give any ideas on what Justin Bieber most likely meant when he gave credit to MJ when he won some awards or whatever it was (sorry), and the audience was hushed upon hearing him go on about MJ?  I think that MJ has opened some kind of Portal/Vortex for many artists, sort of speak.  No pun intended necessarily, but it does stand to reason that "what goes up, must come down."  In other words, whatever traps/ties these artists found themselves in are being loosened by MJ and his Team.  They are waking up in more ways than one.

Lastly, I heard that Congress was full of Hologramed congressman. :?:

Omer's lyrics - "You ain't gonna stop my team.  We gone roll like bigfoot, can't stop.  Nah I mean."

What a web.........................................................

I actually was thinking that about Quincy Jones and Eddie Murphy. There's actually a picture of MJ sitting on Quincy Jones lap during the BAD era which I thought was really odd to be honest with you. I am not sure if anything happened between the two and I am not against homosexuality at all but the music industry seems to be less about fluid sexuality and more about control by any means necessary. I wouldn't be surprise if all of this was true. I heard Quincy Jones even asked Tupac at one point when he was engaged to his daughter. Of course, Tupac declined. I hope that wasn't true but that's what I heard. And sorry we are off topic but here's a video of Justin Bieber's AMA acceptance speech. Is this the speech you're referring to?

[youtube:220jh8y5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30PO9_SFYao&feature=fvst[/youtube:220jh8y5]
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: hesouttamylife on April 21, 2011, 10:54:34 AM
Just from my personal observation, Michael never looked completely comfortable when in the presence of Quincey.  And Quincey seemed to look at him like a salavating dog. Sorry if that's offensive to any, but this is what I saw thru my eyes.  

I will never, never forget when I saw the video with Q and Michael sitting on the couch with that snake.  And I swear I thought he was feeling Michael up :shock:  :shock:  :lol:  :lol:  I was LIVID, until someone cooled me down and pointed out that he was rubbing the snake and not Michael's thigh.   :lol:  :lol:  I was ready to go and fight him :lol:   Seriously I wanted to beat his a$$ :lol:
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: looking4truth on April 21, 2011, 12:40:09 PM
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
Just from my personal observation, Michael never looked completely comfortable when in the presence of Quincey.  And Quincey seemed to look at him like a salavating dog. Sorry if that's offensive to any, but this is what I saw thru my eyes.  

I will never, never forget when I saw the video with Q and Michael sitting on the couch with that snake.  And I swear I thought he was feeling Michael up :shock:  :shock:  :lol:  :lol:  I was LIVID, until someone cooled me down and pointed out that he was rubbing the snake and not Michael's thigh.   :lol:  :lol:  I was ready to go and fight him :lol:   Seriously I wanted to beat his a$$ :lol:

 :lol: My brother thought the same thing when he saw it until I told him he was petting the snake. He was mad too. He still wonders about Quincy though. I do too. I also remember seeing a 1984 (I think) AMAs where MJ was winning all of these awards and he had on a red military outfit and he won one of the bigger awards of the night and Q was hugging him a little too long. MJ was trying to let go a little earlier but he kept holding on and then MJ quickly went over to Diana Ross and hugged her for a long time if I remember correctly. It was funny. If I find the video, I'll post it later. It sucks though if Q really did make him uncomfortable all that time.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: MissG on April 22, 2011, 08:11:10 AM
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
I have always had some issues with Quincey Jones concerning Michael.  I just don't get a good vibe from him.

Same here.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: MJhasSpoken on April 22, 2011, 08:49:21 AM
Quote from: "Gema"
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
I have always had some issues with Quincey Jones concerning Michael.  I just don't get a good vibe from him.

Same here.

There is a documentary called Tupac: Breaking the oath, it is about breaking the Illuminati oath and how QJ came onto him which Tupac did not like at all.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: hesouttamylife on April 22, 2011, 11:35:56 AM
Quote from: "MJhasSpoken"
Quote from: "Gema"
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
I have always had some issues with Quincey Jones concerning Michael.  I just don't get a good vibe from him.

Same here.

There is a documentary called Tupac: Breaking the oath, it is about breaking the Illuminati oath and how QJ came onto him which Tupac did not like at all.

Tupac is a sore spot in my heart.  I know he was killed by Illuminati and I also knew nothing would ever be done about it. Fame changed Tupac, not by choice. Tupac will ALWAYS be a hero to me.  ALWAYS.   Easy E, Tupac, Biggie - all of them were killed for breaking the oaths of the Illuminati.  The OATHS.  That is why when Michael Jackson outed Sony and Tommy Matolla, I was VERY AFRAID for him and wondered at whose assistance did he decide to come out and do that.  Because who ever befriended him and made him believe that WORDS COME WITH NO STRINGS ATTACHED, hiddden behind the catch phrase “freedom of speech” I knew 100% was the person or persons who were systematically setting him up.  And there are some pretty high profile characters that look suspect in that.  The music industry is fowl and vile and when you’re that marketable, it is also dangerous.  Every time I think about what happened to those guys and now Michael himself, I always think about Michael’s song We’ve Already Had Enough. That song can be interpreted in many ways.  I interpret it to mean in the industry, lives are being snuffed, leaving mothers, father, babies alone and crying.  God should make these life and death choices, not man.  While we are still alive, before we are silenced,  we’ve got to take a stand, let them know, we’ve already had enough. It’s risky to make a public statement against people so powerful.  Those who do are basically the heroes who have decided to make the ultimate sacrifice either knowingly or unknowingly signing their own death warrants.  
[YouTube]http://youtube/AKhlfY0nBfA[/YouTube]
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: peacock7 on April 22, 2011, 04:32:07 PM
"I actually was thinking that about Quincy Jones and Eddie Murphy. There's actually a picture of MJ sitting on Quincy Jones lap during the BAD era which I thought was really odd to be honest with you. I am not sure if anything happened between the two and I am not against homosexuality at all but the music industry seems to be less about fluid sexuality and more about control by any means necessary. I wouldn't be surprise if all of this was true. I heard Quincy Jones even asked Tupac at one point when he was engaged to his daughter. Of course, Tupac declined. I hope that wasn't true but that's what I heard. And sorry we are off topic but here's a video of Justin Bieber's AMA acceptance speech. Is this the speech you're referring to?"

[youtube:3rur4jqw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30PO9_SFYao&feature=fvst[/youtube:3rur4jqw][/quote]

Thank you so much.  Yes, I think this is the video.  Something is up with that.  He had already mentioned Mike and thanked him in a previous speech like a year or so before this speech right?  Lol  There was no particular reason for him to have brought MJ's name up at that point in speech, but bring him up he did.  Wow!

I hear y'all about Quincy Jones and Tupac.  They say Will Smith and Martin bent.  I feel sorry for Will Smith's children.  Some have said that he and his wife sacrificed them to the business for fame.  Some of these parents have to turn their children over to a minder - and they say that Jay-Z is Willow's.  The thoughts actually make me want to throw up.  Lord help those babies and Save The Children.

That is why Will & Martin got their own shows on TV they say and what not (and Bad Boys movies).  What a crying shame.  There are you tubes talking about all of this stuff, and yes, I had heard about the Tupac thing and how he said No.  I figured the same with Biggie, because there is another Rapper that blames P-Diddy for Biggie's death.  I don't know that I believe it all, so I file it in my computer.  That Rapper Griff talks about some of it.

Here is an old but interesting article.

http://www.people.com/people/archive/ar ... 15,00.html (http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20097115,00.html)
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: looking4truth on April 23, 2011, 01:33:46 AM
Quote from: "peacock7"
Thank you so much.  Yes, I think this is the video.  Something is up with that.  He had already mentioned Mike and thanked him in a previous speech like a year or so before this speech right?  Lol  There was no particular reason for him to have brought MJ's name up at that point in speech, but bring him up he did.  Wow!

I hear y'all about Quincy Jones and Tupac.  They say Will Smith and Martin bent.  I feel sorry for Will Smith's children.  Some have said that he and his wife sacrificed them to the business for fame.  Some of these parents have to turn their children over to a minder - and they say that Jay-Z is Willow's.  The thoughts actually make me want to throw up.  Lord help those babies and Save The Children.

That is why Will & Martin got their own shows on TV they say and what not (and Bad Boys movies).  What a crying shame.  There are you tubes talking about all of this stuff, and yes, I had heard about the Tupac thing and how he said No.  I figured the same with Biggie, because there is another Rapper that blames P-Diddy for Biggie's death.  I don't know that I believe it all, so I file it in my computer.  That Rapper Griff talks about some of it.

Here is an old but interesting article.

http://www.people.com/people/archive/ar ... 15,00.html (http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20097115,00.html)

I don't follow Bieber so I am not sure if he did mention him earlier but I wouldn't be surprise. He seems to have a great respect for Michael which can be appreciated for someone so young. I hope these rumors are not truth about Will and Martin. However, it would make sense if that really did happen because the comedian, Dave Chappelle had mentioned Martin during an Actors Studio interview where he talked about the word crazy being dismissive and that there is probably a good reason why certain celebrities (like Martin) have acted in peculiar ways by most people's standards. It's not because they are crazy but what they went through was crazy. I am also familiar with Rapper Griff and I don't take everything he says as 100% truth but he may be revealing some things about the industry that are true. Quite a few artists have spoken about the fraternity-like music industry.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: elocin_mj on April 23, 2011, 04:10:21 AM
The blog suggests that Michael could be the false Messiah...which I dont believe...
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: son on April 23, 2011, 09:33:56 PM
Quote from: "EarthEnigma"
Please, we're going off the point somewhat. There is not one shred of credible historical information that says Jesus ever existed.

-Yes there is actually, whether or not he was divine on the other hand is a matter of faith. But as an individual, I'd say it requires a degree of faith to assume Jesus didn't exist at all.

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He wasn't a physical man, he was a gnostic character who we all must become to reach enlightenment. Jesus didn't die to save humanity.... Literalist Christians murdered the gnostics and changed the meaning of the religion - to believe in a physical Jesus to control you.

-I see you haven't read the gnostic book of Thomas. Not justifying the actions of the roman empire, who actually paganized Christianity so Caesar (and eventually the Pope) would hold authority. Regardless, the gnostic movement didn't even start until the second century (MAYBE the end of the first century). The mainstream media gives them too much attention.

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A little research is all anyone needs to do.

-seconded

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The Bible is 100% esoteric, 0% literal history.

- :roll:

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And another thing, if you researched REVELATION, you'd learn that it is ALL about the rise and fall of the Roman Empire along with gnostic enlightenment words.

-It could be, I've heard that theory, but not necessarily. Once again it's a matter of faith.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: son on April 23, 2011, 09:36:42 PM
Ultimately, regardless of what we believe we have to take into account MJ's own religious beliefs (as many people have already said). Michael would not likely want to take an anti-christ-esque role.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: son on April 23, 2011, 09:40:39 PM
Quote from: "starchild"
Writers of the Gospels is what most religious scholars posit today.  Biblical scholar Bart Ehrman has written several books on the origins of the Gospels, the Bible as a whole, and Christianity in general including his latest:  http://http://www.amazon.com/Forged-Writing-God--Why-Bibles-Authors/dp/0062012614/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1303307040&sr=1-1.  
Although I haven't read Ehrman's latest book, I have read some of his earlier books on the subject.  He is a respected scholar in his field, but of course, there are other scholars who beg to differ with his perspective who are just as respected. ;)

I wouldn't trust Bart Ehrman, he has a sort of reverse Dogma which he posits in his writing.

In his book, Jesus: Apocalyptic Prophet of the New Millennium he tells the reader to watch out for bias of the gospel writers, thus innoculating himself of this bias. Like reverse apologetics.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Starchild on April 24, 2011, 08:00:41 PM
Quote from: "son"
Quote from: "starchild"
Writers of the Gospels is what most religious scholars posit today.  Biblical scholar Bart Ehrman has written several books on the origins of the Gospels, the Bible as a whole, and Christianity in general including his latest:  http://http://www.amazon.com/Forged-Writing-God--Why-Bibles-Authors/dp/0062012614/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1303307040&sr=1-1.  
Although I haven't read Ehrman's latest book, I have read some of his earlier books on the subject.  He is a respected scholar in his field, but of course, there are other scholars who beg to differ with his perspective who are just as respected. ;)

I wouldn't trust Bart Ehrman, he has a sort of reverse Dogma which he posits in his writing.

In his book, Jesus: Apocalyptic Prophet of the New Millennium he tells the reader to watch out for bias of the gospel writers, thus innoculating himself of this bias. Like reverse apologetics.
Yet all scholars are presumably biased towards their own theses.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: son on April 24, 2011, 11:18:45 PM
Quote from: "starchild"
Quote from: "son"
Quote from: "starchild"
Writers of the Gospels is what most religious scholars posit today.  Biblical scholar Bart Ehrman has written several books on the origins of the Gospels, the Bible as a whole, and Christianity in general including his latest:  http://http://www.amazon.com/Forged-Writing-God--Why-Bibles-Authors/dp/0062012614/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1303307040&sr=1-1.  
Although I haven't read Ehrman's latest book, I have read some of his earlier books on the subject.  He is a respected scholar in his field, but of course, there are other scholars who beg to differ with his perspective who are just as respected. ;)

I wouldn't trust Bart Ehrman, he has a sort of reverse Dogma which he posits in his writing.

In his book, Jesus: Apocalyptic Prophet of the New Millennium he tells the reader to watch out for bias of the gospel writers, thus innoculating himself of this bias. Like reverse apologetics.
Yet all scholars are presumably biased towards their own theses.

He could at least be open about it. A problem with theorists like him in religious studies is that were led to believe that defending the tradition is too biased and short sighted. However, as long as it stands up to historical scrutiny does one's agenda really matter (whether it is positive or negative of the default-traditional story)? When I say that I'm referring to the intentions of the gospel writers, not whether or not it actually happened (which is a matter of faith). I do agree with some of Ehrman's points, just not how he presented them.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Starchild on April 24, 2011, 11:58:16 PM
Quote from: "son"
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Quote from: "son"
Quote from: "starchild"
Writers of the Gospels is what most religious scholars posit today.  Biblical scholar Bart Ehrman has written several books on the origins of the Gospels, the Bible as a whole, and Christianity in general including his latest:  http://http://www.amazon.com/Forged-Writing-God--Why-Bibles-Authors/dp/0062012614/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1303307040&sr=1-1.  
Although I haven't read Ehrman's latest book, I have read some of his earlier books on the subject.  He is a respected scholar in his field, but of course, there are other scholars who beg to differ with his perspective who are just as respected. ;)

I wouldn't trust Bart Ehrman, he has a sort of reverse Dogma which he posits in his writing.

In his book, Jesus: Apocalyptic Prophet of the New Millennium he tells the reader to watch out for bias of the gospel writers, thus innoculating himself of this bias. Like reverse apologetics.
Yet all scholars are presumably biased towards their own theses.

He could at least be open about it. A problem with theorists like him in religious studies is that were led to believe that defending the tradition is too biased and short sighted. However, as long as it stands up to historical scrutiny does one's agenda really matter (whether it is positive or negative of the default-traditional story)? When I say that I'm referring to the intentions of the gospel writers, not whether or not it actually happened (which is a matter of faith). I do agree with some of Ehrman's points, just not how he presented them.
Although I really enjoy discussing this subject, we’re really off-topic regarding the subject of the thread.  So if it’s okay with you, I’ll PM you instead, in the next day or two.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: eternalflame on April 25, 2011, 08:35:19 AM
My theory about it is quite simple.

Michael isn´t the new Jesus. And he wouldn´t want to be in that role.
MJ is MJ, and Jesus is Jesus.
 What both have in common is to spread the idea of love, respect and absence of violence.
The idea is abstract and needs to be spread by a real person from time to time, so people can cope with it in an easier way.
More examples, only for 20. century: Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Mother Teresa...
What gets my attention is that obviosly the number of personifications for the idea increases during the 20. century.
And the antichrist is already there. It´s the anti-idea of you want to call it that way, not a person.
It´s money, waste of resources, manipulation by media...

It probably shocked some people here that someone mentioned Jesus wasn´t a real person.
My opinion:
Jeshua ben Joseph was a carpenter and a carpenter´s son. He was extremely intelligent and had an extraordinary sense for justice. He could cope well with women´s intelligence which was not usual at that time.
 And probably he was married, unless the Roman Catholic Church made him a single and got something mystic around him, especially by removing parts of the bible that made him very "human", e.g. the apokryphes.

Has anyone read "Mirjam" by Luise Rinser?

The problem is that lots of people are awaiting the end of the world and a new armageddon just because of Maya´s calendar, a special planet´s constellation and of course movies like "2012".
I´m not afraid of armageddon. I´m just afraid of people´s reaction and panic next year.

And I surely don´t need any "new Jesus" to believe in the idea! :)
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: son on April 25, 2011, 09:07:44 AM
I feel obligated to reply to this, I won't discuss this further here

you all could PM me though  :D  

Quote from: "eternalflame"
It probably shocked some people here that someone mentioned Jesus wasn´t a real person.
My opinion:
Jeshua ben Joseph was a carpenter and a carpenter´s son. He was extremely intelligent and had an extraordinary sense for justice. He could cope well with women´s intelligence which was not usual at that time.
 And probably he was married, unless the Roman Catholic Church made him a single and got something mystic around him, especially by removing parts of the bible that made him very "human", e.g. the apokryphes.

1. Technically he wasn't necessarily a carpenter.

2. Mark (the oldest gospel account) has a "derogatory" euphemism alluding to the controversy surrounding his birth (he is referred to as Mary's son, Joseph isn't even mentioned in that book. Take that into consideration when you read the birth accounts of Matthew and Luke.) As well as Paul's epistles mentioning him being formed by a woman.

3. Most scholars (including Bart Ehrman whom I generally disagree with believe he likely wasn't married). This is due to his message about the coming of the kingdom of God (and his own actions that would usher it in). Either Jesus knew he was going to die (and raise from the dead) or he thought the kingdom imminence meant he be there in his life time. A common theme of early Christians was not be be married (not that it was condemned but it wasn't a good idea). The idea that he was married came from a 2nd or 3rd century sect.

4. The apochrypha was removed due to there late datings, gnostic leanings, and inconsistent messages. (In many ways they make Jesus more mystic than the canon gospels and Paul's epistles do.)
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: eternalflame on April 25, 2011, 09:23:16 AM
Well I´m not too much into all this, I´m somewhere between science ( which is probably difficult to do because it all happened long time ago ) and things Church tries to suggest me.
This all is a discussion with a black hole, just as it is e.g. for the subject: what was first, egg or hen.

As I already mentioned, my theory is quite simple, and I believe in the idea Jesus spread, it´s not important if Jesus was a carpenter or not, or if Joseph was his dad or not.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: son on April 25, 2011, 01:05:40 PM
Quote from: "eternalflame"
As I already mentioned, my theory is quite simple, and I believe in the idea Jesus spread, it´s not important if Jesus was a carpenter or not, or if Joseph was his dad or not.

The carpenter thing isn't really a big deal and we're all entitled to our own opinions. But it is important whether or not Jesus was a "wise yet otherwise normal man" or if we was actually divine. If the latter is true, it gives his words much more authority than if he was just a smart dude. Michael himself made it clear that he isn't trying to be Jesus, but rather to be like him. I think that settles this theory.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: eternalflame on April 25, 2011, 01:24:41 PM
Quote from: "son"
The carpenter thing isn't really a big deal and we're all entitled to our own opinions. But it is important whether or not Jesus was a "wise yet otherwise normal man" or if we was actually divine. If the latter is true, it gives his words much more authority than if he was just a smart dude. Michael himself made it clear that he isn't trying to be Jesus, but rather to be like him. I think that settles this theory.

Agree. :)
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: son on April 25, 2011, 04:55:21 PM
Quote from: "eternalflame"
Quote from: "son"
The carpenter thing isn't really a big deal and we're all entitled to our own opinions. But it is important whether or not Jesus was a "wise yet otherwise normal man" or if we was actually divine. If the latter is true, it gives his words much more authority than if he was just a smart dude. Michael himself made it clear that he isn't trying to be Jesus, but rather to be like him. I think that settles this theory.

Agree. :)
:D
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Moonwalker500 on April 28, 2011, 10:11:21 AM
Michael wouldn't claim he is something he isn't
the hoax refers to Jesus because thats a story of a Man who dies and comes back to life thats my opinion
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: GINAFELICIA on April 28, 2011, 10:30:13 PM
Michael isn't Jesus second coming.

Michael is Archangel Michael 8-)

But you know what, Michael can be what he wants to be, all he needs is just the right silicon mask on :twisted: .

He earned this right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

To be honest, I think Michael was and is and always will be a showman. He can play any role he wants.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: paula-c on May 19, 2011, 03:03:10 PM
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~Souza~ wrote:

jacilovesmichael wrote:
Andrea wrote:
EarthEnigma, from your blog:

If Michael Jackson is indeed alive, he is without doubt the most powerful tool at the illuminati’s disposal and he will be used to full effect.


I believe their most powerful tool is FEAR.

I have actually considered before what you said in your blog, that Michael is being used by TPTB. But, it makes much more sense to me that Michael is very much against their agenda and will expose them when he returns. He may have been under their influence many years ago but I truly believe that he is nobody's puppet.

Agreed.

I agree as well, he's not their puppet anymore, they don't control him anymore. He made that very clear in his silent panther dance and it was confirmed when they started to take him down. He is the puppeteer now. Mark MY words.

also agree

Antichrist is a Word made up by 'anti' and for 'Christ'. The word "anti", from the Greek [anti], means "instead of". In our language the word 'anti', means "against" and although the Antichrist when it appears it does is precisely that "being against'...
2 Thessalonians
"…the which is opposed to all that he is God and is the subject of worship…"
This word, the biblical meaning that bears is the of "get in the place of". The work of the Antichrist will be that, "put in place of" Christ and act as if he were Christ. It is the word 'anti' together with the word 'Christ' which means 'anointed' and is used in the Bible with reference to the Messiah, Jesus, has to do with "put in the place of the anointed."!


This is quite the opposite to what I perceive are the beliefs of Michael
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Rottiestyl on June 06, 2011, 11:31:21 PM
I am new to the site, I have done nothing but research for months on all the speculation, in every direction, size, for, color, past tense, present tense, etc, etc,. I am a published poet, so I am always dissecting verses and lyrics and just interesting blogs/articles etc. to get ideas for my writing. What I am seeing evolving right before everyone's eyes, believers and non is one common denominator. We are all talking about Michael and what he stood for. His love of humanity and the world we live in and are destroying with every second that ticks on. We are hashing out if he pulled a hoax, I believe he has, but I believe it based on my research on other music industry performers and some of the lyrics they are now using, which leads right back to what Michael has always talked about. How many of us actually truly listened in the past 20 years alone to Michael talking about how we need to love one another? That this unity would build a world-wind of " Oh, I get it!"  and spread even further out. I myself am writing poetry I didn't like to write. I don't write poetry about love because everyone always uses the same words, rainbows, love, stars, soul etc, etc. To me love is serious business and it's owed it's due. After reading a 100 of those in a sitting and reviewing them for the writer what can you can say? Nice use of stars with Mars??? No, He has changed my entire way of thinking because I get it.
      This is the only way he could get the world at large to hear the message he has been delivering all his life but no one ever heard it. Oh they watch him say it, but they never really felt it. This man truly, in his soul(sorry had to use it) believes that love will save us and so do I. Me, being a product of no childhood, no pure honest love ever in my life, now at my age, I have found it because we are all talking about it through Michael. I have put it in my work.
      Some of you my blow this off, and that's fine but being an extreme insomniac for the past 2 plus years, staying awake at least 34 to 42 hrs. at a time several times a week, having a horde of dr's who have no clue why, I can tell you no anesthetic will give you rest. You need REM sleep for rest. I probably take more meds in a day than Michael did in a month. My doctors have mixed my pain meds (2 kinds) with Ambien and Xanax. As you know Xanax is prescribed for anxiety. Mine is prescribed for sleep with the aide of Ambien. Usually 1 1/2 of each I double dose them both with pain meds and am still wide awake for days. The physical draw backs to all this is no energy whats so ever, shaking and being unbalanced, as well as diminished site and diminished appetite.
     There is no way he could have been taking the drugs they claimed he was taking, much stronger than mine and with Propofol and preform in rehearsals they way he did.I believe he is accomplishing exactly the three things he needed most, first getting away to rest, second make sure his children are in safe hands while this plays out and third and most important, get the world to start talking.
    The Illuminati are a part of this but not they way you think. They control the music Industry as well as governments all over the world and Michael used to wear their "brand" the red string. I have noticed in the past few years I have not seen him with one. I believe he knows his fans are smart and will figure this out and how do things spread?? By word of mouth. There are no dark forces working here on MJ's side, he wants us to understand that he is asking for our help to stop it on the other side. The Governments etc. It's only my opinion but some pretty strange things have been happening to me personally since I started researching and believing. My writing has kicked up to a level I never thought I could go to, and that is because I see the signs and know how to read them. And I not referring to just autopsy reports and people talking in present tense, it's a bit more complex than that yet right in front of your eyes. The more you discuss and compare notes and do the research you see it really is just as simple as Michael has always said. It's all about love, LO.V.E. It's one four letter word Michael lived his life by and all he wants is for the rest of to do what we are doing right, right now, pass it on, pay it forward, use whatever phrase you like, just get it out there, in unity we can take our world back. Read that again.....WE can take OUR world BACK. God gave it to us, not to the Governments and money whores. They can't beat us if we are all together in Michael 's plan. So, MJ, I get it and I hate hiding behind a screen name, love and saving our planet is nothing to be ashamed of, it's actually the only thing in 2011 that makes any sense at all.

Just my humble newbie opinion.
K. Mulroney
(V)
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: MJonmind on June 07, 2011, 12:43:06 AM
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Rottiestyl
This is the only way he could get the world at large to hear the message he has been delivering all his life but no one ever heard it. Oh they watch him say it, but they never really felt it. This man truly, in his soul(sorry had to use it) believes that love will save us and so do I.
…There is no way he could have been taking the drugs they claimed he was taking, much stronger than mine and with Propofol and preform in rehearsals they way he did.I believe he is accomplishing exactly the three things he needed most, first getting away to rest, second make sure his children are in safe hands while this plays out and third and most important, get the world to start talking.
Welcome to the forum!  I agree that hoaxing his death has given MJ a world-wide platform to speak, that he wasn't able to have before. I feel sad you have to live under those conditions. It's interesting to have people who from first hand knowledge can say that no way MJ could have been taking all those drugs and performing.
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GINAFELICIA » Thu Apr 28, 2011 9:30 pm
Michael isn't Jesus second coming.

Michael is Archangel Michael  

But you know what, Michael can be what he wants to be, all he needs is just the right silicon mask on  .

He earned this right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

To be honest, I think Michael was and is and always will be a showman. He can play any role he wants.
love you mj
beerchug  party/  elvis_/  michael-jackson/
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Rottiestyl on June 07, 2011, 01:32:11 AM
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Welcome to the forum! I agree that hoaxing his death has given MJ a world-wide platform to speak, that he wasn't able to have before. I feel sad you have to live under those conditions. It's interesting to have people who from first hand knowledge can say that no way MJ could have been taking all those drugs and performing.


Yes but it's those conditions I do live under that is helping me talk to people about this that I never would have before. Being awake for so many hours all the time gives me plenty of time to soak in what he is saying. You know, watching his homes movies with the pie fights, silly string all over his head, letting the kids smash raw eggs on his head, just plain good loving fun, Isn't this the way we all wish we had grown up? Watch him laugh during those times , it's the most real thing I have ever witnessed and THAT is what he wants us to talk about, getting families back AS families, love doesn't take a lot of energy or time with a child believe it or not. Once they know what you are showing them is real then they spread that as they grow. Michael is not just a talent and a genius, he is everyone's best friend, father, mother, he is simply love and if everyone would just pass a smile to the guy in the elevator or the woman in grocery store trying to handle 4 kids and lend her a hand, it's those things that bring people together. If you never saw the movie Pay it Forward, watch it, THAT is Michael Jackson.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: curls on June 07, 2011, 03:09:38 AM
Rottiestyl, thank you - you've said so much in just two posts that simply oozes love, understanding, truth and hope. I look forward to reading more from you.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: MadneZ on June 07, 2011, 12:47:06 PM
Yeah those feelings have come accrossed to me too.

First was, he is so Jesus like (didn't want to mention it if it would be sensetive) and then thought, he might be the one coming back ( I am not religious though I belive this will happen, maybe not it being MJ but the event) as "jesus" not the Jesus but the Good one.

Then something just hit me. What if that is what they want us to belive. Because, first the false come, then the real.
Oh man... That is pure evil if they use Mj for that! (illuminati)
I got and get heartbroken just thinking about it.

But we will never know only if it happens.

I just know I wont run with open arms towards MJ without being careful, I will LOVE having him back but I will have an extra open eye cause... You don't know.

Things are happening out in the world, and more things are to come.
First come the false, then the real. But how do we know if the false haven't already came before MJ comes (if he comes back)...

I guess it come down to listening to your own gut feeling/instinct and go with it.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Rottiestyl on June 07, 2011, 11:45:11 PM
I appreciate all your kind words on my maiden input here but it truly is what I know. I can't explain it to you but I can tell you from the deepest part of my soul this is what is supposed to happen. We are all talking about it, even the media who treated him so badly is asking questions. I have written so many poems about the media and what they did to him. As long as we keep talking and what he stood for is the meat of the discussion I believe you all will see that' it really is just that simple. What simpler way to get us all focused on what it was he was about since he was 5 years old? Love. I have dedicated most of my own website to him because it has to get out there, past the blogs, past the YouTube videos. It has be talked about at dinner tables and coffee breaks.The family unit has to come back - The Earth song - WHAT ABOUT US? think about that, We are US. All this bickering and underhandedness has got to stop somewhere. Everything has a beginning, Michael had to leave for the beginning to start, it simply wasn't happening fast enough while he was here. He has changed me and believe me, I am as hard headed as they come. I don't trust people but he is changing that and I can not give you one concrete reason why it is happening but it is and NO ONE will ever pull me from GOD, ever. If it were not for Christ I would have been dead before I was 14 and many times over since. There is a force at work here but it is not a dark side around Michael, it's God giving us the miracle so many keep claiming they need to believe. Think of the turmoil he had to go through to make the decision to pull this hoax off. The sacrifices he is making. It will be worth it if we just keep that word of mouth going I spoke of in my first comments. You don't know me and have no reason to trust me but I trust that all of you will see it. It's right in front of you. It's ever bird you hear, every leaf that falls, every first winters snowfall. It's US. As MJ said - We Are The World.

L.O.V.E.
K. Mulroney
  (V)


Tabbie Man

Cameras hang from your beams, a cheap plastic chime.
Not as vile as the operator, the incinerator of a man’s success.
What happened to fact, the pact of, journalism?
Does the slug eyed monster, truly spy with such hateful cluster?

How do you decriminalize, the compensation soaked in lies.
A life spent wearing a bush, living for that disdainful push.
With days scouring for insincerity, a glimpse of impropriety that never was.
Show me the fascination of this midnight meditation of the fiend’s next column.

 When was pushin’ the truth under a beer stained cushion born?
A frenzied craze in hiding those unselfish acts that should have been praised.
A paparazzi shuffle for money and name, nothing but a killing game.
A literary snake whose rancid skin never changes just rearranges its slither.

And oh the compass is pristine; it carries the ping of a devastating murder of passion.
Now uncover your mirror tabbie man, if you can stand the devil who resides beside you.
Your ilk killed an icon, slaughtered the song, and executed the gift of the One.
 Enjoy your greed before the revived returns, tickets are for sale to watch you burn.

I ask but one thing from the scandal whores, to measure your jaw from face to floor.
The tabbie mans dead pen lies dried in the rafters. Oh how sweet comes the laughter.


K. Mulroney                              
(V)
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: MadneZ on June 08, 2011, 05:57:38 AM
I belive he was unwillingly sucked in to the whole illuminati, the sing that make me so sure about it is the fact how famous he was, all fans and all the influence he could/can give to people. All the money he earned and so on.

BUT

Just because you are a part of or involved does NOT mean someone is evil!
Michael was taken advantage of, lets not call them illuminati but rather bad people.
 (it is the same to me, and illuminati comes in many different degrees!)
Michael wanted out after the thriller album or maybe in the whole era of the thriller album, maybe he realized something. His music seem to have changed (messages) after that one. And then all the trashing begins (typicle illuminati, if they don't do what they have been told, they start messing with you)

Slow torture, public embarressment, a target, trying to destroy his image.

Maybe they did threaten to kill him if he did not change his ways (from good to bad)

He did not change.

If he knew they would kill him if he continued on, WHY, WHYYYY, not do anything about it. All the public talk about sony etc and the upcoming tour with all the messages. PLZ he must have known they would NOT let him do that!

Either he faked his death, or he got murdered. For me those are the only two possible things.
No way he comitted suicide!

But will he return if he faked his death?

I do belive he loves his fans extremly much, all people fans or not, but I don't know if that would make him return...
I don't know...
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Rottiestyl on June 09, 2011, 03:25:12 AM
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I belive he was unwillingly sucked in to the whole illuminati, the sing that make me so sure about it is the fact how famous he was, all fans and all the influence he could/can give to people. All the money he earned and so on.


I believe the same thing. He did not want to be controlled. They were and still are putting subliminal messages in the videos these artists do and even in some of the lyrics.When Michael stood up against Sony - they went after him. I believe all the accusations were set ups and he knew but couldn't come out and say anything. So he went after them by pulling away from them and still owning half of Sony's catalog. He made billions of dollars for Sony and they were not happy when he announced he was leaving them, so they trashed his album and then set him up and that is also one of the main reasons I think he thought up this hoax. I believe he has been working on this plan for YEARS. Just listen to some of the lyrics in his music after the 1993 accusations, which by the way Michael wanted to fight but his insurance company told him if he lost they would not pay it, so he was bullied into paying them off.

He was weary of it all and I believe that he knew his fans - the REAL fans would search out the truth. The so called autopsy report said both his lungs were infected and he had bronchitis. That he would have been short of breath most of the time. If you watched TII especially when he did Billie Jean, straight through, no stopping, full out dancing and singing, Not even out a breath a little bit, not only that, do you think he would have been able to still hit those high notes with infected lungs and bronchitis? My daughter has chronic bronchitis,and she loves to sing but any deep breath to hit a particular note causes her to start coughing.

I'm still researching MJ, I believe you. If you decide to come back some day, you know we are all here for you. We are getting the word out about the love Michael. It's slow, but it's happening.You have always had trust in your fans and we in you. We won't let you down.

K. Mulroney
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: nefertari on June 09, 2011, 12:11:27 PM
Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"
correct me if I'm wrong: you think Michael will be used by Illuminati to "work" some kind of "ressurection" miracle that will fool the world into believing Michael is the saviour of the world, dropping him from clouds like Jesus?

well....everything is possible.
But your theory would make MJ the false prophet the Revlation book is talking about.
I hope this won't happen, but if it will, i would still love him.

I think there's no way MJ confused with the antichrist and false prophet (the second beast). The beast with 10 horns mentioned in the Book of Revelation is a powerful political government which dominates much of the land (just as the beasts of Daniel's visions, who had prophesied the rise of four great empires). And the second beast or false prophet is who has the task of convincing - by deception - the people to worship the first beast. MJ does not do this, media do it
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Rottiestyl on June 09, 2011, 07:07:53 PM
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MJ does not do this, media do it

I couldn't of said it better.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Love4MJ on June 11, 2011, 09:38:07 AM
I have a theory the end times are nearing in conjunction with the Mayan prophecy of the world ending in November 2012. In terms of the hoax and its structure and the cosmic significance of certain planetary alignments occurring at and around the time of November 2012, it may herald the theoretical Prime Zenith phase of celestial confluence which would see the return of Jesus and Michael in the Rapture. Jesus and Michael would gather up the souls of the righteous and transport them to heaven and leave the others to burn in the lakes of hellfire.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Mandasdmjj on July 11, 2011, 05:55:57 PM
I love Michael
But I love Jesus more, way more, and if that's the case I will never listen to a mj music ever again or talk or hear about it ever again.
Jesus is the king in my heart
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on September 10, 2011, 10:29:22 PM
I respect people of all religions as long as they are following God, or the laws of the universe, doing good or right.  It doesn't matter what religion you are following as long as you are following God.  We shouldn't let religion separate us.  So don't let all the talk about Jesus offend you.  Jesus was a messenger of God and that won't change.  I think Michael is following both Jesus and God so there is no worry.  People are calling him another "Jesus" just because he is similar.  This is a great thing and not a bad thing.  The world needs help in a desperate way.  If there is someone trying to help or save the world than that is SPECTACULAR !!!!!!!  There aren't many who are trying to do it.    I've read that he is an angel, an archangel, the second coming of Jesus, a lightworker, an extraterrestrial from the Pleides or a Pleidian.   They are like humans from the future trying to help earth.  I really don't know.  Anything is possible.  There is a lot we don't know.    Anyway, I don't think it matters what you call it.   If he is trying to spread love, and unify people and bring people together than we should help support it.    There have been many enlightened people besides Jesus.  Think about Muhammed, Moses,Buddha, Ghandi, Mother Theresa,Abraham and others.  Anyway, I don't think we should turn anyone away that is spreading the message of God.  Let's unify and get any help we can or else this world is not going to make it.   It appears to me that Michael is spreading the messages of God and Jesus.  Also, the timing is perfect with bible prophecies, and the Mayan prophecy and also astrology.  So let us relax and see what happens.   Just follow your heart, spread love, truth, and not hate.  Hopefully if you do that it will work out.   Peace and Love. michael-jackson/
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: son on September 10, 2011, 11:20:13 PM
I respect people of all religions as long as they are following God, or the laws of the universe, doing good or right.  It doesn't matter what religion you are following as long as you are following God.  We shouldn't let religion separate us.  So don't let all the talk about Jesus offend you.  Jesus was a messenger of God and that won't change.  I think Michael is following both Jesus and God so there is no worry.  People are calling him another "Jesus" just because he is similar.  This is a great thing and not a bad thing.  The world needs help in a desperate way.  If there is someone trying to help or save the world than that is SPECTACULAR !!!!!!!  There aren't many who are trying to do it.    I've read that he is an angel, an archangel, the second coming of Jesus, a lightworker, an extraterrestrial from the Pleides or a Pleidian.   They are like humans from the future trying to help earth.  I really don't know.  Anything is possible.  There is a lot we don't know.    Anyway, I don't think it matters what you call it.   If he is trying to spread love, and unify people and bring people together than we should help support it.    There have been many enlightened people besides Jesus.  Think about Muhammed, Moses,Buddha, Ghandi, Mother Theresa,Abraham and others.  Anyway, I don't think we should turn anyone away that is spreading the message of God.  Let's unify and get any help we can or else this world is not going to make it.   It appears to me that Michael is spreading the messages of God and Jesus.  Also, the timing is perfect with bible prophecies, and the Mayan prophecy and also astrology.  So let us relax and see what happens.   Just follow your heart, spread love, truth, and not hate.  Hopefully if you do that it will work out.   Peace and Love. michael-jackson/
suspicious// :? :? :|

Religious unity/universalism, while nice sounding, is presumptuous.  Everyone has their own beliefs, problem is some of them are irreconcilable (ESPECIALLY when Christianity is in the mix). Personally, if MJ's "message" conflicts with my personal Faith in Jesus Christ (whom I believe is more than another enlightened person) I couldn't support him. That being said I don't think MJ has a theological message in the hoax, it's a more immediate to bring certain facts about our world to light.   
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on September 11, 2011, 12:03:04 AM
I wasn't implying that anyone should change their beliefs.  I was just thinking that history doesn't stop.  It keeps going and of course other events will occur as long as the world continues to spin.  What happens in the future is never going to change what already happened in the past including the story of Jesus.  When I was talking about unifying I was thinking that the world needs to be united and not divided if we are going to survive and move forward.  People need to start working together.  Peace and Love. moonwalk_/
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: MJonmind on September 11, 2011, 05:18:10 AM
We've all heard Michael say at least 5 times that he is not Jesus but is trying to live like Jesus. Because of that he dressed in glowing white and came on stage in GB having children come to him to be blessed, and at least one person was offended running up on stage to moon the audience because he said, "He looked like he thought he was Jesus and that was offensive."  Others have talked about the similar type of crucifixion of Michael Jackson.  Back talked about the reigns of Jesus Christ and Michael Jackson being the same but only different times.  So in the case of MJ's Bam possibly being a spectacular holographic or similar appearance simultaneously seen around the globe, if he is just simply trying to be like Jesus, then I guess that's still okay, right? Because that's what I think is coming, but I could be totally wrong on that. With or without TPTB's help, it's okay with me, because I firmly believe that God's blessing is resting upon his life. The description of the anti-christ in Revelations doesn't describe MJ in the slightest, I guess whatever happens happens, and I believe it will be good for all mankind! His message is love and healing the world, that there is one religion and that is love!

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As far as Jesus and the anti Christ goes, I feel if people just follow their hearts and do what they know is right, it doesn't matter who comes.  Michael Jackson never asked anyone to do anything that in my opinion could be considered a cardinal sin.  He never asked anyone to give him anything in return for all he gave.  His only request, to love ourselves, our children and all living things on the planet. Many think there is evil in Michael evidenced by his entrancing ability, his onstage body language, and supposed subliminal messages in his music. I don't get it, but I will say this, If that's what the anti Christ has chosen to use to betray and control the people, then I guess I'm just going to have to go to hell. 


I agree except hell is a misinterpretation/mistranslation of the Bible, mostly by the church to exercise control over the masses. There are many excellent Bible studies on this online. Hell is the grave.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Chinbie on September 11, 2011, 05:29:36 AM
IMO. Michael will be the one who stop illuminati from hurt the people and the planet
i investigate the Freemason and Illuminati just simply becoz of michael and i also believe that they will do sth in 2012. and i strongly believe  michael will come back in 2012 becoz if  Illuminati do sth next yr'
i don't think michael will just sit and watch. it's not him if he just let it happen.i don;t mean if he dont come back
he's bad; what i mean is that if there is no other things to restrict mj and sure he will be back
but you know we don't know what will happen next on
so what i do is pray for mj   :)
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: son on September 11, 2011, 10:36:02 AM

I agree except hell is a misinterpretation/mistranslation of the Bible, mostly by the church to exercise control over the masses. There are many excellent Bible studies on this online. Hell is the grave.


Yes and no. Certain descriptions are interpolations (such as Satan being a Satyr or the seven levels of hell as described by dante) but it's not simply "the grave".
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on September 11, 2011, 07:10:03 PM
Oh my! Michael the Antichrist !? Jesus!
This is one of the rare theories that seems so absurd to me.

If I were to look for an Anti-Christ brought by the Illuminati, I would certainly look towards the "British corner" if you know what I mean ;)

The Biblical/religious references related to Michael, Elvis and this whole PROJECT, are very obvious!
I found out many religious and historic links that connect Michael and Elvis to the Biblical message/story.

I will try in the approximate future... to make some photo-montages with what I could find...
It's hard... It's the most sensitive subject, the most difficult to approach, especially because it goes so deep!! oh my! this is the deepest rabbit hole of the hoax! the religious one!

With Elvis and Michael ... both very religious sensitive persons... with their thirst for knowledge of all kind! history and religions from all corners of the world... hmmm... I feel so small, so little, so uneducated to even try and discuss this as it should be discussed!!

I don't know to what extent and in what way has the hoax changed people [I'm sure it did], but for me, the religious aspect was the most mind-blowing and revealing and instructive than anything else I discovered since MJ disappeared!

As i said... I will try to ... at least show what i found out... but I feel that i need more research into this... it's overwhelming to me! and I have this feeling that... more will be revealed and explained on this religious aspect, after the actual BAM! I just hope I'll be prepared enough until then!

I started searching having their names in mind! and OMG!!
Michael, Joseph, Jack-son, Elvis [Allwise/Elwin], Presley [Priest-ly], Aaron and Jesse ! and DIANA - the goddess of the Moon - the Moon they both sang/talked/danced so much!! Elvis had about 6-7 songs related to the Moon, Michael moon-walked-danced, made the film Moonwalker and sang "Scared of the Moon"....

oh my! it just makes you wonder who they really are !!!

and I stop here! for now...

Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on September 11, 2011, 08:09:53 PM
SimPattyK thank you for your message.  I would be so happy to see your pictures and research.  I've been thinking about this for about a year and a half now !!!!!!  I've been reading and finding a variety of information but am still confused.  Could you help me understand how the moon is connected to this ?   Is MJ wearing a blue moon on his eye in that new photo with the black jacket and the circles ?   And did you see the video with Pearl Jr. with B. Howard.  B. Howard said his goal was to have a performance on the MOON !!!!!!!  So I think you are right.  He has something to say about the moon.  Will the moon also be lined up with all the planets on December 21, 2012 ?     I will always love MJ no matter what happens.  I am just confused.    /overreacting/
I read about all sorts of things and I am going around in circles.  Everything from Greek Myths, Egyptians, Angels, Extraterrestrials,religions, astrology, 2012 theories, ascension, DNA Repair, meditation, Reptilians and etc. etc.   Please Help if you can.    Thank you so much !!!!!   Love !!!!!!  /pull hair/
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on September 13, 2011, 06:43:13 AM
SimPattyK thank you for your message.  I would be so happy to see your pictures and research.  [...] Please Help if you can.    Thank you so much !!!!!   Love !!!!!!  /pull hair/
I will do my best... but I am sure I am not the best recommended person to enlighten people too much on this subject.

Regarding the MOON... I have some ideas...
- maybe they were trying to warn people about a fake MOON landing? this is a controversial debate: was the '69 MOONlanding true or a hoax?
- maybe they were hinting at the moon ..the planets...the alignment of planets that Michael also speaks about in "we are here to change the world" - Captain EO - which also makes me think of December 21st 2012
- In a more poetic and romantic perspective (ELvis & Mj ), the moon is "the light of the world" during night-time ;)
- Both Michael and ELvis have an androgyne side of them.... they are so beautiful , they almost look like angels... sometimes in a masculine sense, sometimes in a feminine sense. They both had SUN-symbolism in their music, videos, etc... and they both connected to the MOON too! So here we have the masculine (SUN) and the feminine (Moon) together ! This is ANGELIC !! and magnetizing at the same time! which explains the immense attraction they had to so many millions of people around the world!

and there are some more... but as I said..I'll take my time for this....
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: GINAFELICIA on September 13, 2011, 08:36:36 AM
the 69 moon landing a hoax?
My grandmother was a simple woman with not too much school and 30 years ago she was convinced there was a hoax and they never landed on the moon errrr.
We were all laughing of her about this. But who knows?!

Both Michael and ELvis have an androgyne side of them.... ? I would say Michael really had it but Elvis - IDK, not very much, well maybe a little.

But Michael definetly had it, and it is part of his mystery. Many people call him an angel walking on earth.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: grossomodo on September 13, 2011, 04:19:10 PM
I also wondered what the moon means; there is obviously a connection. Related to MJ I always thought the moon is the HOAX, the sleep, the time being away, the disappearance. Michael has his eyes closed in the blue moon picture, he is away, the moon is up.

And yes, androgyne! Angelic! Let me tell you this much, guys! I have tears in my eyes reading your comments here because this is what I always felt about Michael! It's almost surreal how people all over the world are able to FEEL this about a person they have never acually met, but LOVED, UNDERSTOOD and FELT as being PART OF THEIR SOUL! At least, that's how I feel!

God bless you! I LOVE you!
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on September 13, 2011, 04:49:55 PM
the 69 moon landing a hoax? My grandmother was a simple woman with not too much school and 30 years ago she was convinced there was a hoax and they never landed on the moon errrr.
We were all laughing of her about this. But who knows?![...]
I don't detain the absolute truth, but I read, listened and heard some really intriguing facts about the '69 moon landing as being a hoax! Nothing but a studio-movie! There are photographers and specialists who found hard proof that it never happened, by just analyzing the lights, the shadows and the flaws in the films and photos taken at that moment. It really looks like it was all filmed in a studio.
Now I don't know which side of this debate to fully believe, but I think your grand-mother is a very clever woman, if only because she dared to doubt the "official story" told by the media at that time! ;)



@Dontwalkaway, GinaFelicia & @GrossoModo: thank you all so much for your comments!
If you hadn't commented the way you did, maybe I wouldn't have managed to get out so  openly off my chest what you will read below. As I already said ^^ this is a subject that is very difficult for me to discuss... it's so complicated..and sensitive that I feel somehow... "shy" to tell how I think on this ...  because i don't know how people would react and because I feel that I still need to learn more about it... But here's a some part of it...
[...]Both Michael and ELvis have an androgyne side of them.... ?
I would say Michael really had it but Elvis - IDK, not very much, well maybe a little.
[...]
Oh yes, Elvis could really have a very gentle, sweet feminine look sometimes, especially in his younger years... And what was androgynous about Elvis was not that much his physical aspect , but his character, his natural way of being. I explain ....

We all know of course he's known more for his "sex-symbol"-reputation. Don't let yourselves be tricked by that. It was only an image built by his manager Tom Parker and all the music-industry people profiting around him, but Elvis' true nature wasn't like that.

ELVIS quotes:
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Reporter: "Elvis, are you satisfied with your image?"
Elvis: "Well, sir, it's very hard to live up to an image." (press conference June 9, 1972)

"Don't criticize what you don't understand, son, you never walked in that man's shoes."
He seemed to be a womanizer, but that's because he was tender and loving, he liked to caress, to touch , to kiss all his female-fans, and all his female movie-partners, but deep in his heart it wasn't as sexual as it may have appeared to the "outsiders", the general public and of course the media who always gives a pervert note to everything! so that it "sells better!"

This is one of my favorite live-moments with Elvis ... and his natural loving character
Gorgeous ELVIS spreading LOVE ♥ & KISSes to his fans ("Love Me Tender" 1970)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnATWrG8MUI[/youtube]

Many famous women who met Elvis (and also numerous fans) declared that he most often would prefer to take women to his bedroom, but not for sex, just for a good night's friendly talk [most often about the purpose of life, existential problems, about God and the Bible] or just for cuddling and falling asleep together, he got along very well with women because of his feminine side in him; and he was also very childlike [YES! childlike! just like Michael!] which explains why he felt more attracted to teen-age girls than mature women! But just as in the case of Michael who had a special bond with children, people and the media always tended to think in a pervert way! and accuse them of being sexually interested! Which was NOT the case!!
 I think for both of them, Elvis  & Michael, their inner innocence regarding the sexuality , combined with their brilliant minds and their extreme beauty, all together formed a whole that was irresistibly attractive !! and angelic at the same time!

I kept this quote from an article that i read some time ago, I think it's very relevant to what i said here above ^^ and also to show you how much Elvis and Michael resembled in nature! They really looked like and behaved like angels...that's my point in this whole discussion ...which is so vast...this is just an aspect of it all!!
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June Wilkinson (Playboy star & actress): "I met Elvis on the set of "King Creole". He invited me to dinner at the Beverly Wilshire Hotel. Then Elvis gave me a tour of his suite, sat me on the bed in his bedroom and sang to me for two hours. That was it. The next day, we had dinner again. He was very sweet, and he was friendly. He had more than sex on his mind. He got me to the airport on time, and our paths never crossed again."

Alan Fortas (bodyguard & friend): "Elvis needed someone to baby more than he needed a sex partner. He craved the attention of someone who adored him without the threat of sexual pressure, much as a mother would [...] Elvis befriended some of the young 14-year-old girls who used to cluster adoringly in his driveway, or outside the fence. Out in the backyard, they romped with Elvis in the Doughboy pool and challenged him to watermelon-seed spitting contests. They also slipped into his bedroom for rambunctious pillow fights. Sometimes they would all sit cross-legged with him on the bed, flipping through his fan magazines or admiring his stuffed-animal collection. Often they would all lie down together and cuddle. But what went on was horseplay, not foreplay."
(http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/2374/elviscchildre002.jpg)
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 Elvis also got along very well with men! he had such strong bonds with his male-friends that at some point he was even accused of being gay and/or bisexual ! Another exaggeration of course [just like we heard about Michael too!]! Elvis had his loyal group of friends (nicknamed the "Memphis Mafia" who used to follow him everywhere! They admired him and respected him and loved him beyond their  own lives! 2 of these friends even jumped in front of an armed man to protect Elvis...they thought that man was going to shoot him, but there was a misunderstanding, I don't remember very well the story, but I saw that interview with one of the guys who told they were ready to give their own life for Elvis!); also one of his "Memphis Mafia" friends declared in an interview that sometimes when they were all together with Elvis, they felt so high, so loved, so good together... and when talking about these guys loyally following Elvis everywhere, he even made a reference to the 12 Apostles following Jesus, he immediately excused himself by saying that he's not claiming Elvis was Jesus, but that it was really the feeling he had sometimes when he was in that group with Elvis. After Elvis 'died", one of his friends said in an interview something like this, I paraphrase: "Anyone who knew Elvis like we did, knew that Elvis was all about LOVE".

Isn't all of this ^^  shockingly identically resembling to MICHAEL ?? to everything MICHAEL stood for? And it can't be all a coincidence. And It can't be that Michael admired and imitated Elvis. No! it's much more than that !!! And my opinion is that it's all related to GOD. I just can't see another logical, reasonable answer to this!

(http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/6158/elviscchildre010.jpg)

This is a video-montage that I made about their humanitarianism:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o83M6PPyjRg[/youtube]
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on September 13, 2011, 05:22:39 PM
Thanks SimPattyK.  I didn't realize that Elvis and Michael had that much in common.  I never was an Elvis fan probably because I was just a kid in the seventies.  Interesting,  maybe they really could be working together ????  Well if so,  Elvis needs to hurry up.  He is 76 or 77 if he is still alive!!!!!!!     Anyway my mother is a huge Elvis fan and she is almost 70.   
 mj_dance/
Peace and Love         
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on September 13, 2011, 05:35:13 PM
Thank you @Dontwalkaway ! i am glad if I could bring you some new insight on both of them.
I wasn't even born in the seventies. I was born in  1980.
I was a Michael Jackson fan before I loved any other artists.
In my adolescence I had a period when I was literally obsessed with Elvis too.
I never stopped loving them both with all my heart. And I never stopped discovering more an more artists and musical genres besides them.

Next year Elvis will turn 77 years old. I am sure he is alive. I am not very sure he desires to come back though.
But I am sure he and Michael are together in this and that GOD works through them.
I don't know what will come next, but I believe in God...and like Elvis said "All good things come from God"...so i expect good things to come!! (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Amour/coeur4.gif)

Much love to you!
sending you kisses (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Amour/chirolp_wkiss2.gif)
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: MJonmind on September 14, 2011, 04:23:10 AM
SimPattyK, thanks for your highlighting of Elvis. I didn't realize this gentle loving child-loving side to him. He really seems endearing, and  :lol: kissing all those women. /woohoo/ I wonder what would have happened if MJ started doing that. There would have been absolute pandemonium. afraid/

I just happened to see this little video clip of MJ today that maybe I'll stick in here, because MJ's laugh when holding the children is so adorable. Absolutely angelic!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1OfSoLOIYM&feature=related[/youtube]

I'll be interested in your take/presentation of Scriptural applications to MJ and Elvis lives!

Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on September 14, 2011, 05:18:47 AM
SimPattyK, thanks for your highlighting of Elvis. I didn't realize this gentle loving child-loving side to him. He really seems endearing, [...]
I am so glad I managed to express myself so that you can get this exact feeling of him.
To me, at least regarding this aspect: MJ = Elvis and Elvis = MJ, they both form ONE, they are ONE divine entity. And if you love MJ , then you definitely love Elvis too and/or vice-versa! Only those who don't know anything on one of them, only those cannot see how God's work glows in both of them equally! they are messengers here on Earth, I have no doubt about that! and LOVE is their mission.

[...] :lol: kissing all those women. /woohoo/ I wonder what would have happened if MJ started doing that. There would have been absolute pandemonium. afraid/
oohh lmao  :lol: :lol: I also tried to imagine that! Seeing how much hysteria he caused only by inviting that one single girl on stage in every concert! if he had descended the stage to go and hug and kiss fans like ELvis did... OMG! there would have been no Michael in a few seconds!  :lol: lmao he would have "vanished" in air!  :lol: Elvis got lucky that in his time, the fans even though they got hysterical and screamed, were still more shy and restrained in gestures and behavior, did you see how they politely waited in line to get a hug or kiss from Elvis, they didn't grab him or tear his clothes off or something like that...

And you're right Michael's laugh sounds angelic...totally cute!
Yous should search youtube for ELvis' laughters too...you would be amazed!

[...]I'll be interested in your take/presentation of Scriptural applications to MJ and Elvis lives![...]
For now I am in the stage of still gathering infos, photos , clues... and sorting them according to their category... it also involves art!
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on September 14, 2011, 02:14:44 PM
The Last Supper ~ The Moon & The JUPITER Finger

Here are some of my first findings that connect Michael & Elvis to religious matters ...  and also ART

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Some close-ups so that you can read better:
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(http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/1700/mjelvisjupiterfinger.jpg)

(http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/1863/jupitercombohighlight.jpg)

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MJ - PALM

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The article telling us about LaToya's "hurting" JUPITER finger!! loll I just love LaToya!! She dropped the most significant clues in the hoax!! Jermaine too, but LaToya rocksssssssss ! ;)
LaToya Jackson Released From Hospital - http://icydk.com/2011/09/01/latoya-jackson-released-from-hospital/

Coincidence or not, Elvis had also broken his finger at some point... LMAO :lol: :lol:
here's an excerpt from the article that you can read in a whole on this link: http://www.elvispresleymusic.com.au/elvis_presley_1960_1966.html
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October 16, 1960 - Elvis breaks his finger playing touch football at Graceland. Elvis was first treated first at Campbell Clinic, where doctors decided to transfer him to the hospital because they didn't have enough space to accommodate the anticipated large number of visitors. His touch football teammates and Anita Wood, disk jockey and Elvis' frequent companion when he is in Memphis, accompanied him to the hospital.
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Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on September 14, 2011, 10:01:26 PM
Thank you for all your work SimPattyK.   It's great !!!!  I would never have found or thought about all this.  Can you explain the whole 42 angle thing and Jupiter ?  I don't really understand it.  How is it connected to ET and maybe other ET's ?  I am pretty sure after reading different things this past year that there are UFO's and ET's that are real.     Some theories about Elvis, Michael and some others : they can channel like David Wilcock does, they remember past lives like Wilcock does, they have developed higher powers like psychic powers due to DNA repair, meditation etc.  or they were abducted at some point ?????    There are also things about starseeds,indigo children, and lightworkers.  Lightworkers and wayshowers.   It seems to go along with LIGHTMAN.     And I read  some think Jesus was a wayshower.  And I watched the history channel a few months ago and they were talking about Jesus being a time traveler.  Traveling from a planet more evolved than earth or traveling down from the future earth ?????    I don't know really.  These are just thoughts that are going through my mind.   What do you think ?   I can't ask anyone around here.  They think I went crazy but I don't care because I am learning a lot.   /cook/
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on September 15, 2011, 08:25:46 AM
@Dontwalkaway: thank you for your message.

I will tell you first how I think about all these paranormal/science/fiction/holy/crazy OR not crazy theories about Jesus, aliens, ET, Michael, Elvis etc...

Until MJ's hoax, I always thought that people who spoke about these kind of things were really crazy OR they had a big imagination and a special taste for SF movies lol


1. After... I started researching about
- NWO, Illuminati and the 9/11 conspiracy,
- Bankers and people who rule the world from behind!
- then MJ's  death hoax came, and the connections to Elvis
- then I learned about H.A.A.R.P.
- and the mafia in the Pharmaceutical industry.
- Then I learned about the BLUE-beam Project and the so-called "Alien attack on Earth" that the Illuminati are planning I order to take total control of the world population...

^^ I tend to believe that these ^^ theories may be true and the facts and proofs to sustain this category of theories can be verified and observed in the real world by any person with an open mind and who is awaken mentally and NOT manipulated and brainwashed by the media.


2. On the other hand, there is also a category of theories, that at least to me seems surreal, fantasies...exaggerations, sometimes created and spread exactly by those powerful people (Illuminati, the bankers, the media moguls) who are afraid to be exposed by the 1st category of theories [mentioned above]. So they intentionally spread these false and outrageous theories with the purpose of discrediting and ridiculing those who try to expose them and their dark plans.


@Dontwalkaway: you enumerated many theories in your comment, more or less related to Michael and Elvis.
I don't know them all, and I know some things about some of them [I find out something about INDIGO children too...starting from my investigation on the color PURPLE which is very much present both in Elvis an MJ's hoax]
I can't say which ones are reliable and true or which ones are just inventions.
I didn't have time and I won't have time to investigate everything. And it's not my intention either.

But I can only tell you what I have already find out while searching clues about Michael and Elvis being alive.
As I said, in time I will slowly show you everything I know.
If you find clues about MJ & Elvis related to the theories you mentioned in your post, please share them with us. ;)
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on September 15, 2011, 08:55:50 AM
[...] Can you explain the whole 42 angle thing and Jupiter ? I don't really understand it.  How is it connected to ET and maybe other ET's ? [...]
As I said , I am only at the "scratch" of this whole thing. I am very aware there are more things to discover and I am still researching this Jupiter clue! As soon as I find out more, I keep you posted ;)
I can now tell you what I think... what my intuition tells me lol
Maybe I will say something stupid, but I'll say it lol I think that the 42 angle is the mathematical angle of the rainbow in relation to the Earth horizontal line or maybe in relation to the SUN!

I am not very sure but what caught my attention on this were The 42 angle & The Rainbow: 
1. the RAINBOW - a very present theme in Elvis and Michael's hoax!
There are many rainbows in their movies, songs, videos, album covers, etc...
Then think in COLORS !! What are the hoax colors that we saw so often related to Elvis and MJ??
PINK, RED, YELLOW, BLUE, GREEN, PURPLE, ORANGE ! ----))) ALL part of a rainbow's colors !!

2. The rainbow is also connected to the Bible and MJ &Elvis. [ This is something new that I discovered and I am still preparing something to show you in what way!] Very interesting!!

3. NUMEROLOGY & The number 42 !! - very specific to ELvis!
Elvis "died" at the age of 42 !
AND 42 MIRRORED is the reverse of Number24 - which is another important number both for Elvis and MJ !!
Take a look at this 2 photo montages to see how closely related to MJ & Elvis these 2 numbers are: 42 & 24

(http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/2017/mjelvisarealive03.jpg)

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ELVIS quotes:
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ELVIS: "If even one person can be led to GOD because of me, it will be worth it."

ELVIS: "[...] There's more to me than that guy up there on the stage: You know, Elvis the image. What my fans and everyone else need to know is that I'm a spiritual person. If they don't know that, they'll never really know who I am and what makes me tick."
(http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/4527/27695919741828031519715.jpg)

Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on September 15, 2011, 04:29:08 PM
1. I enjoyed watching most of the videos from this Youtube channel ~ OpenToLife ~
Here's one video-series from this channel related to MJ and the alignment of not only the Planets,
BUT also... just watch this: Michael Jackson ~ Aligning our Consciousness Part 1 -
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lhbSKBsNp0[/youtube]


2. Regarding the RAINBOW and what I said above ^^ this is another very interesting video from the same channel,
making connections between Michael and the "Legend of Rainbow Warriors"
Even if it is only a legend... call it a fantasy if you like... it still is SOOO very much interesting!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmxMs9FOROE[/youtube]


3. Related to MJ & Elvis and the "Last Supper"  paintings,
both created by artists [and NOT by some photoshop-expert!]

(http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/1928/mjelvisthelastsupper04.jpg)
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on September 15, 2011, 05:14:24 PM
Thank you SimpattyK for all your work.  Also, I was thinking they are talking about rainbows because it has all the colors or frequencies of light.  The Egyptian's have illustrations of the Gods praying to the sun but it is thought they were reading the light.  They could decode the information from the light.  Information even DNA codes could be in the energy field.  Watch David Wilcock's new video on his webpage on DivineCosmos.com and it was posted on here also.  Very interesting.

Love    bearhug
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on September 15, 2011, 05:25:15 PM
WOW! Now that's an interesting additional comment @Dontwalkaway! thanks for info about the frequencies of light and DNA!! I will put this info "in line" to wait for me to research more on it! Oh GOD there's still so MUCH to discover and so LITTLE time!!!I wish I didn't have to work, I wish the day lasted 48 hours and not only 24 ! I wish I could have more time to be able to learn on all this stuff!
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on September 15, 2011, 07:28:20 PM
Yes SimPattyK there is a lot of information to learn about but we are helping eachother.  David Wilcock has interesting theories and he backs it up with research and scientific evidence.  You should watch the video where he talks about shooting a laser through eggs to pick up the DNA code using the light.   There is a lot of information in the energy field that we haven't discovered how to use yet.   Just think about radio waves, gamma rays, frequencies used for TV, satellite,internet etc.   People hundreds  of years ago probably couldn't have imagined it.    Now we are used to having all this.  Imagine what the next technological step could do.  Things like telepathy, psychic abilities, time travel, new energy sources, healing, teleportation, levitation, etc.     Love    /woohoo/   
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on September 16, 2011, 07:04:27 PM
Are you READY for some mind-blowing infos??

(http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/3416/elvisromanstatue.jpg)

(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/2565/elviskingdavid.jpg)

(http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/8010/mjegyptianstatue.jpg)


And there's so much more !!!
I wish I had more time...


Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on September 16, 2011, 08:49:28 PM
Great pictures SimPattyK !  Where do you get them all ?  I have seen some of the ones with Michael before but not the Elvis ones.  What do you think this means ?

In Michael's poem "Are you listening", he talks about immortality and being a flux of energy and light.  He talks about playing hide and seek and taking different forms.  Do you think he means your soul or spirit is reincarnated into different bodies or different forms ?   You never really die.  Only your physical form changes.  This is like the Hindu religion I think.    Can people remember past lives ?    Are they time traveling from the past to the future ?  Maybe there can be parallel universes.   Anyway, Michael has talked about being Peter Pan in his heart, and there are paintings of him dressed like Bacchus, and King David, and Angel pictures, and Renaissance paintings.  Renaissance costumes etc.  Then there is him dressed as Green Man and Egyptian God or Statue.  The egyptian statue of Neferti, Egyptian Goddess really does look like him.  And in the scream video he is dressed like a person from the future in a spaceship, but there are paintings called the son of man.    Well I always thought he was doing these paintings, songs, and costumes etc. for art and music and telling us to learn about these things.  Now it seems that there is more to it !!!!!!!    In that Elvis poem/song you posted he says he is remembering things from 10,000 years ago !!!!!!!    I really don't know too much about Elvis' songs and stuff.  Only a few of the hits that you hear a lot but now you have me more interested in it.  Thanks for all your help.  Peace and Love 

Just some theories.  I don't know.   Any ideas ??????????
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on September 16, 2011, 10:41:36 PM
Well, I have other thoughts after watching the Opentolife videos above.  I saw them months ago but there is so much information in them it was good to watch them again.  It is interesting that he says Michael is either a pleidiean or is connected to them and is channeling them.  I heard they were like advanced or evolved humans from the future from the stars of the pleidies.  He was talking about star seeds.  Consciousness sent from the stars.  There are lightworkers and star seeds sent to help us.  I really don't understand how it works. 

Well what is interesting is that on the history channel several months ago they were talking about Jesus possibly being and extraterrestrial or a time traveler ?  And angels possibly being light beings from higher demensions or et's ?  Also on a website about the Pleidians or Bringers of the Dawn, they had a list of people who are pleidian or star seeds from Pleides and Michael Jackson and Janet Jackson were listed but so were a lot of other famous people and celebrities.  And some have said that all humans are derived from different aliens and star people and I guess the evil ones (illuminati blood line) are related to the reptilians.  That's the theory some have.     Just something to think about.   You can't believe everything you read or see. "Just because it's in print doesn't mean it's the gospel".   I am just brainstorming and trying to find the truth.       

Well, on a few websites about the aliens; They had a question for us humans.  They said they couldn't come to help earth and humans if we didn't want or ask for them.  They also need a certain number.  It's the law of the universe.  They can't interfere with free choice.    It said you didn't need to write or say it.  They will get the message through telepathy!!!!!!   I say "Yes, Please Come,  the earth is in sad shape.  I think some are already here but can't come out in the open too much because some people would freak.  They made crop circles and turned off some nuclear weapons and plants.    There have been UfO mentions lately.  There was a glowing floating light a few days ago on CNN.  They said people see it every day and then they said it was a comet.   Wouldn't a comet just crash somewhere ?
That story doesn't make sense.   Peace and Love   bearhug
 
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on September 17, 2011, 05:17:03 AM
Great pictures SimPattyK !  Where do you get them all ?  [...]
You know, I'm starting to ask myself that question too! At first I started to SEE similarities in clothes, colors, looks, photos, lyrics. And whenever I wanted to emphasize a similarity, I would just simply put those pics together in a montage.
Then I started to HAVE IDEAS.... just like that out of the BLUE! even during the nights I sometimes wake up and I get ideas about some connections....and then the next day I start searching on Google anything that could help me illustrate in a photo-montage that IDEA!! And you know what! I always find what  I'm looking for!!!
And what really makes me freak out right now is the fact that now, I start to look for something that I had in mind, in order to do a photo-montage, and in the process of it, I find myself doing something else or more! For ex, last evening I only wanted to make a single photo-montage with MJ & Elvis and 4 photos of them as David. And as you can see I ended up making these 3 montages... the more I think/work on this , the more ideas I get! just like that... out of nowhere, on the spot! It's amazing!! I am amazed myself of what I did after I finish it!

In Michael's poem "Are you listening", he talks about immortality and being a flux of energy and light.  He talks about playing hide and seek and taking different forms.  Do you think he means your soul or spirit is reincarnated into different bodies or different forms ?   You never really die.  Only your physical form changes.  This is like the Hindu religion I think.    Can people remember past lives ?    Are they time traveling from the past to the future ?  Maybe there can be parallel universes.[...]
I don't believe that this is correct for all the people. BUT I believe that GOD, his Angels, his prophets, all those whom HE chooses to carry His message, they are all immortal spirits, time travelers, who can take any form/body in any specific time in history in order to guide us on the right path! I think both Michael and Elvis are such divine spirits! I don't know what they were first created as. It may be that Elvis was King David at first, or someone related to this divine lineage, like Moses or Aaron... and Michael, either he was Archangel Michael in the beginning or... I don't  know! But they were always THERE in some way or another, in some body or another, Michael explained it very well in his poem "Are you Listening"! This is what explains why Mj , Elvis and other famous people too, resemble so much to work of arts,historical or biblical characters! This is why there are all these similarities and connections: it's normal! they are created by a single divine entity , which is GOD !!
But I NEVER believed in aliens!! there is no such thing!! [this is just the NWO/Illuminati trick, that's why they started tot talk about them even on Discovery channel! which is believed to be a "credible/reliable" source, and it's NOT! "they" want us to believe in alien existence! in order to manipulate us easier when time comes!]
In my opinion: In this universe there is only one GOD [and his Army of love], the Devil [and his evil spirits] and WE, the humans!! and the humans may have some psychic abilities that it seems they forgot in time, because they were intentionally "blinded" by the Devil, by corrupting the humans' soul with all sort of temptations...
The humans are mortal, they do not incarnate, they are not healers, but they do have as I said some psychic abilities [like telepathy, and stuff like that] but only if they know how to use their mind [the power of thought, the law of attraction, meditation, etc...] and only if they cleanse their spirits and bodies of all evil!

Yes you're right, @Dontwalkaway - the videos from Youtube channel -Opentolife- are indeed very interesting an they really explain very well this possibility of Michael being a divine spirit , a light warrior, traveling in  time in order to enlighten the humans. What I like about these videos is that they are made from a very realistic, down to Earth, provable perspective, with always making a comparison to what happens in the real world. So even if the basic idea may sound delusional to the unaware watcher, when you see the concrete real examples from today you start realizing what really happens!! and you understand the connections!


I like your comments ;)
Much LOVE to you (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Amour/coeur-neon-lumineux.gif)
 bearhug


 
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: MJonmind on September 17, 2011, 06:34:34 AM
Dontwalkaway, you've got interesting topics in your post, which I'd like to respond to another time. fresse/
Excellent work SimPattyK! You sure pack in the details for close scrutiny! afraid/ /bravo/
Your other topics are ones I enjoy too, so I might add something later. You've got a great gift, researching and creating the montages! bearhug

I would say that Michael is competitive with Elvis, and is not meaning only to compare with him similarly but to be the victor over him. In the painting where MJ sits centre, Elvis is merely one of his group, much like Jesus and his disciples. Always Michael said he learned from the masters and became even better.  Which would include Jesus, as Michael many times said he was not Jesus but was wanting to be like Jesus. And no where does he ever say he believes in or has faith in Jesus.  So like P.T. Barnum, James Brown, Elvis, and more including Jesus, he only sees them as masters to learn from, imitate and be even better.  He clearly sees himself as top “dog”, and that all coming from God, as he claims it does. If you have even seen the movie Megamind, you will see that MJ intends for himself to be the ultimate Superhero with all others including the Elvis-Megaman fading to insignificance. I know Diane Sawyer said in the MJ, Lisa interview when they showed a clip of MJ’s history video that maybe he was conceited. Here’s part of the transcript:
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Diane Sawyer: We're going to show you a film now, created by Michael Jackson. And, it is causing a furor...in some movie theaters around this country. They say among other things that, it is clearly modeled, after 'Triumph of The Will'. They mean, Riefenstahl. A Nazi film with a Nazi meaning to it.
Michael: It's not true. None of that's true. None of those things are true.
Diane Sawyer: Did you watch that film before you did it?
Diane Sawyer: I watch everything, I love movies, I love documentaries. It had nothing to do with that at all.
Diane Sawyer: But there are people who keep saying, this is . . . they look at it and say this is...
Michael: Absolutely not.
Diane Sawyer: You were....
Michael: It has nothing to do with politics, or communism, or fascism at all....
Diane Sawyer: Well, the critics have said that, it’s the most... body vain, glorious, self-deification a pop singer ever undertook with a straight face.
Michael: Good! That's what I wanted.
Diane Sawyer: For the controversy?
Michael: Yeah! They fell into my trap.
Diane Sawyer: But the people who say that...
Michael: I wanted everybody's attention.
Diane Sawyer: But for the people who say those symbols, matter ...
Michael: No. The symbols...no.
Diane Sawyer: The suffering ...
Michael: No. The symbol has nothing to do with that. It's not political. It's not Fascist. It's not dogma. It's not...y'know, ideology and all of this stuff. It's pure, simple love. You don't see any tanks, you don't see any cannons. It's about love. It's people coming together . . .
Diane Sawyer: About love. We're going to let everybody watch a bit of it.
Michael: Yeah, but its art. It is art!
Diane Sawyer: OK.
Michael: We had a director; we get him to create art.
Diane Sawyer: The short answer, coming up...here it comes.
[Part of the HIStory trailer is shown]
Diane Sawyer: Well, as we said, we're going to clearly agree to disagree maybe, on what this means to...some people watching it. There's been another issue raised. In a song you say, "Jew me, sue me". And some people are saying that that is anti-Semitic.
Michael: It's not anti-Semitic. Because, I'm not a racist person. I could never be a racist. I love all races of people - from Arabs, to Jewish people, like I said before, to blacks. But when I say, "Jew me, sue me, everybody do me, kick me, kike me, don't you black or white me, " I'm talking about myself as the victim, you know. My accountants and lawyers are Jewish. My three best friends are Jewish - David Geffen, Jeffrey Katzenberg, Stephen Spielberg, Mike Milkin. These are friends of mine. They're all Jewish. So how does that make sense? I was raised in a Jewish community.
http://kingofpopmj.tripod.com/prime.htm (http://kingofpopmj.tripod.com/prime.htm)
And here’s pics of the huge statues MJ made of himself.
http://www.pophistorydig.com/?tag=michael-jackson-history-video (http://www.pophistorydig.com/?tag=michael-jackson-history-video)
Also I think there may be an element of black-skin (MJ's) triumphing over white-skin which Elvis represented. There has long been a race war on this planet and may still be in the future. JMT :D

I guess I'm pretty big on Michael only, eh?  mj_bad/ michael-jackson/
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on September 17, 2011, 08:15:03 AM
@MJonmind: thank you, you're so kind !

I agree with what you say, but only partially.
I agree with what you say about Michael's ambition of learning from the masters and becoming even better, of being-like and/or imitating Jesus.

But I don't think he did/does it from a "competitive urge".
Competitiveness automatically implies a profit, a reward, gaining something, a prize, an award, applause, money, higher position, etc. Competitiveness is a human quality in certain cases, but it can also be a childish, even obsessive, greedy default!
So if you say that Michael wants to surpass his masters, because of a competitive ambition, you also imply the fact that he expects some profit out of it. Which is not the case. I really don't see Michael expecting some appraisal from God, because he managed to surpass Jesus or Elvis loll Other than that [reward], I really don't see any reason/logic, at this level of discussion [divine masters] for someone to be competitive. What would they gain from their Competitiveness? There is no such notion as Gain and Competitiveness in a Heavenly dimension! There is only harmony, love and unity there, at least in my perception of it all...

So, if it's not Competitiveness, then what is it? Why did he try so hard to become better and better?
It's simple: it's the divine tendency towards PERFECTION ! This is definitely the feature of a GODlike character and NOT a Competitive one [- which sounds more like humans!]
This tendency towards perfection, is encountered in humans too, we say "Nobody is perfect!", ok, but we are "PERFECT-ABLE" - which means we can improve continuously, become better and better, this is what a PERFECTIONIST does, he's never satisfied with himself, always looking for more!

GOD surpasses Himself every time, He continuously creates... So it seems obvious that with every Angel or Prophet or Visionary [call him what you like], He sent us Someone way better every time! God's creation is perfect! so are His messengers or least they tend to be! and so are WE-the humans, we are also God's creation, but we are a creation "in the making", in his Great generosity, God left us with the free-will, therefore we can choose to become more GOD-like [perfect or "perfect-able"] or NOT!
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on September 17, 2011, 03:42:50 PM
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vfy0g5hqYPw&feature=related[/youtube]

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-P3CS_2740[/youtube]
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on September 18, 2011, 07:36:12 PM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4JPx0eZdJQ&feature=related[/youtube]
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on September 18, 2011, 09:49:25 PM
 SimPattyK, Thank's for putting that video on about the angelic human race.  I have seen it before but it was a while ago so I understand it better now.   Do you think Michael and maybe Elvis and others like David Wilcock could be angelic humans ?  They have 12 strands already ?   Maybe that's why they can channel and have other psychic abilities ??   The question is how did they evolve before anyone else ?  Is this what the indigo and crystal children are ?  Those children have higher IQ and born with special abilities.  I also heard about star seeds and lightworkers and wayshowers but I don't understand how that works.  So how can you have your 12 strands activated ?   I read on one of the websites about ascension that earth is receiving energy at certain times, energy gateways.  Some people are ready to absorb it and some aren't.   You have to meditate and be rid of bad karma and full of love and not fear.  On other sites they were saying it will just happen automatically to everything on earth.  Everything is vibrating at higher and higher levels and also the universe is getting warmer.  This also goes along with the carbon molecule changing and of course we have carbon in our DNA.  So the man that received the nobel prize in science discovered that Carbon 6 will be changing to Carbon 7.  Carbon 6 has 6 protons, 6 electrons, 6 neutrons.   Carbon 7 has 6 protons, 6 neutrons, and 1 electron.  6 protons +1 nuetron=7       Now this has worked out perfectly hasn't it.   This number 7 is gods number and also Michaels number.    This extra electron is the energy we can use to connect with the energy grid.  So in ancient times we had more of an ability to do this.  That's why the ancient gods etc. wore those head pieces and also were able to use their third eye or pineal gland.    What is also interesting is that currently the Carbon 6 molecule has 666.  In the bible this is the number of the beast.  This is also the illuminati pyramid number.   These are humans before they evolve to 7.     Isn't this mindblowing because science,history and religion and current events and this death hoax are all working together !!!!!!!!!   That is why it seems real to me.  Peace and Love     
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on September 18, 2011, 09:59:35 PM
Okay, looking back at what I wrote there is a mistake.  It may not be Carbon 6 and Carbon 7,  I think it could be Carbon 14.  I'll have to go and find that again.  The idea was the same though.   There are currently 6 protons, 6 electrons and 6 neutrons in our carbon in living things.  It is changing to 6 protons, 6 neutrons and 1 electron.  The one electron is important as well as the 666 ratio changing and 6 changing to 7.     
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on September 19, 2011, 05:37:22 AM
I don't think that MJ & Elvis are angelic humans.
As i said in my previous posts here ^^ I believe they are angels [call them prophets/divine spirits/how you like] sent by God on Earth with a specific purpose: spread LOVE and re-activate the angelic side in humans! remind us who we really are and what we are supposed to stand for!

I admit, i didn't get so far as you with my research on the DNA and carbon molecule theory, but it sounds interesting from what you wrote here. When i have time, I will "dig" more into this!
And yes, the INDIGO children seem to be connected with this angelic humans-theory.


[...]
 Isn't this mindblowing because science,history and religion and current events and this death hoax are all working together !!!!!!!!!   That is why it seems real to me.  Peace and Love     
Oh yes ! definitely! This is what fascinates me too! everything connects!! this also reminds me of Michael's words in "This is it" - "we are all ONE" - I really believe that ONE refers to GOD's creation! that includes everything!
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on September 19, 2011, 04:36:56 PM
Thanks SimPattyk.  You said you don't think MJ and Elvis are angelic humans but angels.  What's the difference ?  I used to think that an angel was like a body of light from a higher dimension.  Maybe that is what a ghost is ?   Then I saw videos where an angel was a more evolved ET coming back to earth.  I don't really know.    Anyway, what's the difference between an angel and a prophet ?  I have some confusion.  Anything you have about this would help.  Peace and Love  mj_dance/   
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on September 19, 2011, 04:55:51 PM
Thanks SimPattyk.  You said you don't think MJ and Elvis are angelic humans but angels.  What's the difference ?  I used to think that an angel was like a body of light from a higher dimension.  [...]
 Anyway, what's the difference between an angel and a prophet ? [...]
I think there is no difference between an angel and a prophet.

I am no expert in all this loll but since you asked for my opinion... [ and I thank you for that ] I tell you only how I see things... angelic humans are not necessarily angels. But very special humans, more sensitive, more inclined to follow God's path, humans who have more strength in front of the Earthly temptations, generous kind people... this is what I call ANGELIC side in a human! and unfortunately this side has been "put to sleep" by the Evil forces who tend to take control nowadays... That's why, when I see gifted people with a divine beauty both internal and external, such as Elvis and Michael, I really start to believe in this theory according to which GOD may have sent these ANGELS to help us redeem,cleanse our souls and re-activate the ANGELIC part of US! this also leads me to Michael's lyrics "you're just another PART of me!" - maybe he referred to the ANGELIC part in each of us! But still with that part activated we are not angels!, just angelic humans!
That's how I see these things...at least now... and it doesn't necessarily mean that I am also right. Maybe I am wrong..and if I am, then I pray to God to lead me to the right way eventually...
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on September 19, 2011, 07:01:33 PM
Thanks for your opinion SimPattyK.  This is a little confusing.  There are also ascended masters and then different types of angels such as Archangels.  There are also Saints.  I am not an expert on any of this.  Anyway, I feel that Michael is spreading God's message so that is all that matters.   Love to All.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on September 21, 2011, 12:31:00 AM
[...]This is a little confusing. [...]
I also feel confused, especially on this subject... I guess everybody feels confused. it's normal! it's something we don't know much about and/or we don't understand much about even on that "'little something" that we DO know!
The solution for now is just pray, have faith, believe...that God will eventually lead us somehow, someway, sometime to the right path of understanding it all better and better....

[...]There are also ascended masters and then different types of angels such as Archangels.  There are also Saints.  I am not an expert on any of this.[....]
Yes, as I said in a previous message, you can call them anyway you like , they are all the same too me: divine spirits chosen by GOD to enlighten us, the humans, and lead us toward the reactivation of the angelic side in us.... to become again angelic-humans, as the video I posted explains too ^^
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: GINAFELICIA on September 21, 2011, 01:47:32 AM
So why do you think Michael had that last supper painting made for him?
........
I want to say I also feel there is something "holy" about Michael, I just can't put my finger on it. Maybe he is not necesarily a prophet/angel, maybe he is just a more evolved spirit/human being, more aware, more connected to God.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on September 21, 2011, 01:54:12 AM
I want to say I also feel there is something "holy" about Michael, I just can't put my finger on it. Maybe he is not necesarily a prophet/angel, maybe he is just a more evolved spirit/human being, more aware, more connected to God.
I'm with you on this! ;)

So why do you think Michael had that last supper painting made for him?
[...]
In my opinion [even if I may seem very sure of myself, is because I am really confident in my own beliefs and opinions, but I do not necessarily think that I am always perfectly right!] So I think he wanted this painting like that, AGAIN, in an effort, to draw people's attention on to the messianic message... He also put all those famous figures there, to invite people to the more intellectual preoccupations we should all have in these hard times when CRISES seem to POP out of everywhere...
The Message is: 1. Elvis connection; 2. Observe the word of GOD and 3. Educate yourselves!
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: GINAFELICIA on September 21, 2011, 02:34:07 AM
I see you point but you have to agree there is also strange to place himself in the center of it like Jesus. People would see it as blasphemy and not get the educational message :?.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: heartwarrior on September 21, 2011, 02:48:32 AM
All of that stuff is indeed very confusing - I wish I had the time to do nothing but research about the subjects discussed here, each of them deserves a deeper knowledge.
I can't help to confuse furhermore:
There are theories claiming that Jesus did NOT die after torture and crucifying since he was put to coma (almost dead-like unconciousness) by drugs and substances very common in the middleeast. As far as I read these theories are VERY controversial and totally refused by religious people. It's just I can't stop thinking about the matter, after all it's refering to the medical questions and the trial about to begin. 
PLEASE.....it is not my intention to offend anybody on this board....but a 'JesusDeatHoax' could be a paralell. As far as I researched there are many unanswered questions about Jesus and his life, some information totally ignored by the established church, some informatin carefully locked by the Vatican.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on September 21, 2011, 03:43:23 AM
@heartwarrior: you've got a really GOOD point there! ^^ I totally agree! ;) especially on the VATICAN issue!!


Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on September 21, 2011, 03:54:06 AM
I see you point but you have to agree there is also strange to place himself in the center of it like Jesus. People would see it as blasphemy and not get the educational message :?.
I rather think that AWAKEN people would look BEYOND the "blasphemy" aspect.
The rest... is of no importance, they're just like non-believers! They will be drawn eventually to the right path, by the AWAKEN ones ;)

 
Think also that Elvis & Michael put as JESUS in that painting is done intentional to raise controversies and intrigues, and thus make the subject even more POPULAR and get wide spread !! It's a good publicity-stunt implanted in those 2 versions of Last Supper!

Who else then the 2 greatest superstars EVER would be able to draw attention on such a sensitive subject??

GENIUS MINDS !!!
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on September 21, 2011, 04:25:00 AM
I brought this following QUOTE from this topic http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,5167.msg356318.html#msg356318 because there it was kind of  "off-topic", so I didn't want to bother people there...

[...]
SimPattyK, you say that Elvis was perceived as a kind of Jesus by his fans/followers, and MJ as a kind of Jesus for the black world. [...]
I said that? Where? Please quote what you refer at, I really don't understand where you got this idea from. I never implied such a thing.

And just like I don't see any rivalry/competitiveness between Elvis and Michael, I also don't see any white-black issue, as you mentioned nor do I see them parted as Elvis -for whites and Michael-for blacks. OMG! :shock: what's this!? How did you come to this?  There is only ONE GOD for everyone! the same for Jesus... no color-differentiation! we are all equal! especially in front of GOD.

The only time I wrote on this forum on the racism-issue was in a reply to somebody who was claiming that Elvis was a racist, which is totally NOT true! It's exactly the opposite, he was a fighter for the black community's rights! He grew in a black community, he had black friends ever since he was a child, he learned his first guitar accords from BLUES singers there and through out his life he supported them in every way he could, especially in those hard sensitive years!! I'm sorry I can't remember in which topic  posted that... but those interested can search through my posts.
Anyway, you can also find more details about Elvis and his strong connections with the black artists/community, here: Elvis Presley and Racism : The Ultimate, Definitive Guide - http://www.elvis.com.au/presley/elvis_not_racist.shtml

Except this aspect ^^ I don't see any other implications of -white/black- subject into MJ & Elvis similarities.


Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: MJonmind on September 21, 2011, 05:34:50 AM
I'll give my apology again for in this thread as well. The part of the sentence about MJ as a kind of black Jesus was my input alone. And I agree I haven't read anything about racism from things you've written, and Elvis seems to love/support AfricanAmericans.  Yes, there is one God for all of us, for all people. And we are all equal. But that's not say that many people in positions of power are not racist, and that throughout history has affected attitudes causing so much pain. The fact is that Michael and his family and his African-American culture/community in the USA have had major struggles because of racism, and he spoke out against it many times. It is my opinion and from my reading that racism has profoundly affected history and still will in the future, as one layer of many complex aspects to the changes to come, in "end times". Again I believe it has been written in the story-line, as something that needs to be dealt with, conquered and peace brought and shown to the whole world. "Greatest demonstration of freedom in the history of the United States." MLK and MJ in TDRCAU.

On another note, I really enjoyed your discussions here, enjoying the videos about light beings, and the ideas of Elvis and MJ along with others being awakened to spread awareness to the rest of humanity. Interesting about the carbon 6 change to 7 idea.  I will post my thoughts on them later.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on September 21, 2011, 04:46:55 PM
@MJonMind: ~ THANK you for clarifying that particular misunderstanding! bearhug
And just know that your message here ^^ was so much clearer as to what you wanted t emphasize on initially and this time I really got you and I agree with you on everything you said!
I am happy if you enjoyed our discussions here, I myself am very pleasantly surprised to notice the nice evolution of this thread, that at the first sight/reading disappointed me a bit because the discussions were going into a wrong direction [at least according to my opinion...]

PS: regarding the -This is it- version of "They Don't Care About Us" with that Martin Luther King quote "The Greatest Demonstration for...."
I was amazed to recently find out that Elvis admired Martin Luther King a lot!! I've even read that ELVIS knew  by heart MLK's "I have a dream"-speech and could recite from it at any time!

In the end ... I 'd like to share with you The 2 songs of today for me ... I could listen to them TODAY...TOMORROW AND FOREVER.... endlessly! [speaking of the Phoenix, Peacock and Immortality... lol  ;) ]

Much (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Amour/0056.gif) to all (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Anges_et_d%E9mons/ange12.gif) BELIEVERS (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Anges_et_d%E9mons/ange12.gif)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhaDbn7sO8w&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz8EkfSEnhA&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on September 25, 2011, 12:51:22 AM
Source link:
http://www.elvispresleynews.com/ElvisQuotes.html

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Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on September 25, 2011, 02:18:43 AM
Source links:
http://www.elvispresleynews.com/ElvisQuotes.html
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/michael_jackson_2.html

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Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on September 25, 2011, 03:24:08 AM
Source link:
http://terhune.net/jokes/elvis_jc.txt.html

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Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on September 25, 2011, 10:14:59 AM
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ELVIS THE ARCHETYPE

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Elvis’ features were strikingly similar to the ancient statues of gods, patriots and kings of many different cultures.
Some of the most prominent resemblances are
-Alexander the Great,
-Pericles (Orator and statesman of Greece ),
-King Mausolus of Asia Minor (355 B.C. from which the word ‘mausoleum’ was derived), Charioteer from the Sanctuary of Apollo at Delphi, and the statues of Hermes among others.

Elvis’ photographs were used as studies to re-build Old World statues damaged during the bombings of WWII.

It is revealing to note that these various statues sculpted in different eras and in many separate empires of the world only slightly resemble one another, further signifying the complexity of Elvis’ features which in the various stages of his life transformed through several archetypal ‘world images’. His face, expressions, and growth of self were as mutable as were his artistic talents which grew with the advancements of the times in which he lived. Yet despite his parity with the world, he remained singular, unique, and quite apart from the symbolic archetypes he represented in our culture.
[ . . . . ]
source-links:
-  http://www.elvislightedcandle.org/signsymbwonders/archetype.html
- http://www.elvislightedcandle.org/signsymbwonders/antiochus.htm
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Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on October 01, 2011, 04:36:05 AM
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Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on October 01, 2011, 07:49:47 AM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlmwzzt1-C0&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1MnszfbPN8&feature=related[/youtube]


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2qZoECDLHw&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL[/youtube]

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Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on October 02, 2011, 07:15:04 AM
Sometimes I get goose bumps when I read
what Elvis was capable of writing!
It really makes you wonder who he really WAS / IS !!

I think . . . HE IS
Half human, Half Angel ♥


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Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on October 02, 2011, 08:21:07 AM
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"The Pledge" ~ Poem written by Elvis

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Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on October 02, 2011, 12:04:24 PM
Simply . . . AMAZING !!!

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Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: msgitm on October 02, 2011, 01:42:49 PM
No matter how religious Michael is, he will never do that. He will never take a place of Jesus.. Are you kidding me? come on let's be logical here.. Yes Michael is a very special person, but will never replace Jesus in my book. I love Michael with all my heart, but I love Jesus more. There was on one Jesus who died on the cross for us, and that is final. Blessings.
Ditto and thank you!
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on October 02, 2011, 02:31:19 PM
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"This is it, here I stand
I’m the light of the world, I feel grand"
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: magickal on October 05, 2011, 03:24:44 PM
 OMG! people comeon, no one will replace God or Jesus, no one , nor does Mike want to, or believe he can, let it go


Hes just a human who is another search tatic and starting a new life, whether "passed" or not, hes gone.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on October 05, 2011, 04:25:17 PM
magicKal I think you misunderstood the point.  No one was saying that Michael or anyone was replacing God or Jesus.  He has often said he is "following" or trying to be like Jesus.    History does keep going as long as the earth is still spinning.  There will always be messengers/prophets/angels sent by God as we go through time.  If you look back throughout history there are many.   What one person does "now" at this time in history doesn't "replace" or erase what happened in the past.   We need someone/something to get us through these times.  Jesus was someone who lived 2000 years ago and spread messages etc.  and that won't go away or be replaced when new events happen.  So, No Worries.    Peace and Love   bearhug
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on October 05, 2011, 04:38:47 PM
So let's not "walk away" from someone who wants to bring love,light,peace, awareness to the world.   I don't think it is important what you call it such as messiah/saviour/angel/prophet/archangel etc.  because the basic messages and ideas are the same.    Let's not let religion divide us.   There is really only one religion and that is LOVE.   We're all one.    Peace and Love.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on October 12, 2011, 06:42:16 PM
1. What Book Was Elvis Reading When He Died? - http://shroudofturin.wordpress.com/2011/08/17/what-book-was-elvis-reading-when-he-died/

2. Elvis & the Shroud of Turin - http://elvislightedcan.free-forums.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4487


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Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: alfarle on October 12, 2011, 07:01:09 PM
No matter how religious Michael is, he will never do that. He will never take a place of Jesus.. Are you kidding me? come on let's be logical here.. Yes Michael is a very special person, but will never replace Jesus in my book. I love Michael with all my heart, but I love Jesus more. There was on one Jesus who died on the cross for us, and that is final. Blessings.

AMEN to that. I couldn't agree more. I saw a video from this guy who studied theology and he was SO enthused by saying MJ was the Jesus of our time. I laughed sooooo hard @ this theory I started crying. :lol: Michael Jackson has the spirit of Jesus living within him. When you see him, you don't see his outter shell, but you look much deeper and see as well as feel LOVE. He has a drawing spirit...only his maker which is Jesus Christ should be given credit. MJ is only human....Hence the symbolic scene of the movie Ghost where he bashes himself into the ground , then later turns into dust. We all came from the earth due to God's creation. When we die, our spirit and soul goes with our maker and our outter shell/flesh goes back to the earth.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: alfarle on October 12, 2011, 07:10:10 PM
magicKal I think you misunderstood the point.  No one was saying that Michael or anyone was replacing God or Jesus.  He has often said he is "following" or trying to be like Jesus.    History does keep going as long as the earth is still spinning.  There will always be messengers/prophets/angels sent by God as we go through time.  If you look back throughout history there are many.   What one person does "now" at this time in history doesn't "replace" or erase what happened in the past.   We need someone/something to get us through these times.  Jesus was someone who lived 2000 years ago and spread messages etc.  and that won't go away or be replaced when new events happen.  So, No Worries.    Peace and Love   bearhug


You're right about God sending prophets and messengers...However, it also speaks in the Bible about false prophets too. Not saying that this is the case of Michael Jackson by all means so please don't take what I'm about to say out of context, but the devil knows the BIBLE VERY well. Remember, he was one of the most BEAUTIFUL angels in Heaven til he was kicked out for trying to over-rule God....(Illuminati and NWO). Michael is NOW speaking against all works of evil, using himself as a powerful influence (as he has been for YEARS), and spreading the gospel of LOVE and the dangers of how the system is....and the evil doers don't like that. They would rather see him dead, so he turned the tables against the media by giving them what they want. Perhaps he would get the message aross being more so"dead" than alive....Just like ppl say that he's worth more "dead " than he was alive. Same w/elvis.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on October 12, 2011, 07:52:51 PM
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Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on October 12, 2011, 08:32:24 PM
SimPattyK,  Thank you for all the pictures.  So Elvis was reading about the shroud of turin when he died ???   I haven't read everything about Elvis' death hoax but that seems interesting to me.   He was trying to tell us something about it.  I just don't know what.  What do you think Michael is trying to say ????    The topic of the shroud came up before because he was supposedly wrapped in sheets instead of a body bag.  Do you think the autopsy picture looks like the image on the shroud ????  They look different to me.    Do you think people can be reincarnated and live through different ages ?   Your spirit or soul is reincarnated and comes back in a different body.  Maybe angels/prophets etc. live through different ages on earth because they come back as a different person in a different body.  This is like the Hindu religion in India.     What do you think about it ?    You have been the biggest help.     Peace and Love          bearhug         
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: MeandMyShadow on October 12, 2011, 08:54:03 PM
No matter how religious Michael is, he will never do that. He will never take a place of Jesus.. Are you kidding me? come on let's be logical here.. Yes Michael is a very special person, but will never replace Jesus in my book. I love Michael with all my heart, but I love Jesus more. There was on one Jesus who died on the cross for us, and that is final. Blessings.

I agree with you.  But not only did he die on the cross for us, he ROSE from the dead.  He did not pretend to be dead and pull off a hoax.  I love Michael with all my heart too, but he cannot do what Jesus did.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Jennie on October 12, 2011, 09:41:32 PM
Here's my thoughts on michael being the antichrist..
1. It goes against every bone in his body so unless they managed to brainwash him I really dont think michael would do that.
2. I dont know that it would be worth all the trouble even if it was the plan all along cause I dont think people would fly with it. A couple centuries ago maybe but not in this day and age. Not too many people practice religion anymore, heck they dont even get married anymore. Most people call themselves spiritual these days but dont practice any particular religion.
3. Michael I dont believe would do it willing I think he'd take his life before doing that because he had very deep religious beliefs.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on October 13, 2011, 12:12:47 PM
[...]  He was trying to tell us something about it.  I just don't know what.  What do you think Michael is trying to say ??? [...]
I don't know for sure... I just know from a documentary about Lady Diana, that the the Catholic Church [Vatican] & the British Monarchy [THE ILLUMINATI - at least a part of them] tried / try to deceive people about Jesus, the real history of Jesus, the way Jesus looked like, the real period he lived on and things like that. It is even believed that the Shroud of Turin can't be authentic! It's made up by "them" again with the intention of deceiving people...in what direction or for what purpose I don't know now.... but I think that both Elvis & Michael had more info than us , they both knew what the secret societies are up to! so.... here's why I think we need to investigate more the connections between Elvis, Michael & the Shroud of Turin!

When I saw Michael's "autopsy" photo ^^ I don't know why but it immediately reminded me of the Shroud of Turin, I will try to explain a bit why...
- the sheet he is laying on
- the skeletal aspect
- the long torso
- the legs
- the position of the head.

I don't think that by releasing this photo, Michael is implying that he is Jesus, but I think that this photo was intentionally photo-shopped in such a way as to remind us of the Shroud...this is my belief!
[...]  The topic of the shroud came up before because he was supposedly wrapped in sheets instead of a body bag. [....]
Exactly!! That was a first reference !! and now this photo!! So you see, that's why I really believe there's something up with this Shroud! these are no coincidences!
 
[...] Do you think people can be reincarnated and live through different ages ?   Your spirit or soul is reincarnated and comes back in a different body. [...]
Yes, I must admit that ever since Michael has faked his death and I started to learn more and more things about Elvis' hoax too, yes I really think that God made / makes it possible for pure spirits, like angels/prophets to travel through times and help us, the immortals, become better...remind us of our true purpose on this Earth, make us become angelic humans again!
[...] Maybe angels/prophets etc. live through different ages on earth because they come back as a different person in a different body.  This is like the Hindu religion in India.     What do you think about it ?
Yes, I think it can be possible ! and Elvis also had strong Indian origins! so.... no wonder he stated he believes in Reincarnation! He must have studied Indian religion & philosophy and not only ! Elvis is an avid reader, just like Michael! They read about everything!!
[...] You have been the biggest help.
I only post my own opinions, I might be wrong, don't trust in me like that lol If some of my theories prove to be wrong, I don't want you disappointed... I am only trying to find out what happens(ed), I don't detain the absolute truth, but if some of my posts really helped you understand some things ...then I can only be happy about it! ;) Much love to you!  bearhug
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on October 13, 2011, 01:19:11 PM
The blood of Jesus Christ was recovered during the Ark of the Covenant dig by Ron Wyatt of http://WyattMuseum.com/

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Was Princess Diana inseminated by DNA from the Holy Shroud from Turin ? If any family had balls to do this, it would be Sax Coberg Gotha [which is the real name of the Windsors!]. Ron Wyatt's research shows that the blood of Jesus has special properties and that the blood is alive! Soon the Abomination of Desolation will be revealed when Satan steps into the Holy Temple of God - (occupies the resurrected/cloned body of Jesus) and declares himself to be God. He is Antichrist, the cloned image of Jesus Christ!
* Thes. 2:3-4: -" Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition"; - "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."
source:  http://www.drjoye.com/research1c.html

Biblical prophecy and the end times is revealed through analysis of historical as well as modern events by Dr. Joye Jeffries Pugh, author of Eden the Knowledge of Good and Evil and Antichrist the Cloned Image of Jesus Christ. - http://www.drjoye.com/research1.html

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- Da Vinci - http://www.drjoye.com/research_da.html

Other links:
- http://www.drjoye.com/research6.html
- http://www.letthetruthbeknown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4690
- http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news204_joye.html
- http://radio.rumormillnews.com/podcast/2010/02/18/joyepugh/
- http://www.viceland.com/wp/2011/04/the-woman-who-outed-prince-william-as-satan/
- http://biblocality.com/forums/content.php?137-Compare-Prince-William-s-DNA-to-DNA-on-the-Shroud-of-Turin
- http://www.grailcode.net/

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They KNEW !! ^^ They BOTH knew!!!

Here is my way of seeing all this ^^ and the reasons of the hoax:
if Michael faked his death to save this world (among many other reasons, like his life & family being threatened, etc) & if this hoax is closely related to the Illuminati's plan of NWO & ruling the world, if what ...is said about Prince William (being the clone made from the blood on the Shroud of Turin-which no one knows for sure that really belonged to Jesus or not), if it's true that Prince William will be made King in 2015 when he'll be 33 just like Jesus, plus he will be the highest Mason in rank (The Order of the Garter, among many other Freemasonry titles), if this the "leader" that the Illuminati chose to rule this world for their NWO, then we'll have that biblical prophecy fulfilling with the Fake Christ coming to deceive the people, which automatically means that the True Messiah will appear too, to defend the true believers!

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So what I'm saying here is... I don't claim Michael to be the true Messiah lol but I think that his intention from the very beginning was to raise the awareness among people all over the world about what is going to arrive on Earth, he's a messenger and he will return when he will be most needed to return! The Illuminati are perfectly aware that they could never rule the whole world without a "good leader"! a Leader that the masses would follow and trust in blindly! Just think a bit: Prince William [Will I Am] is the "perfect candidate" - he's popular around the world, people feel compassion for him ever since Diana died [IF she really died!!], he's handsome, clever, people have this feeling of trust in his innocence because everyone saw him growing up in front of practically their own eyes, since he received media attention ever since he was born! That's why they made such a huuuge propaganda for his marriage too!! that was a whole mascarade!! Why do you think they try so hard to make his wife look so much like Diana?? to manipulate the naive masses of people, to make them love this couple and accept them as their leaders into the NWO !! That's the main idea if it all !!

I didn't do these montages...don't remember where on the net I found them.... sorry!
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So when the Illuminati will need Prince William to fulfill their plans, it would be much easier for them to have a "Leader" like this to deceive the masses even with this last LIE: that he supposedly is the Messiah (that's why they came up 40 years ago with this so-called Shroud of Turin- that Jesus supposedly wore when he was buried!); I don't know whose blood is it on that piece of material, but my heart tells me it's not Jesus blood! But I believe them capable of cloning Prince William with the blood they, themselves put on that shroud! remains to find out whose blood was that really!

While being pregnant with prince William, Lady Diana repeatedly tried to kill herself after she got (im)pregnant with William [Will I Am] and she never called him William! just the short Will ...
Lady Diana also declared in an interview, that she felt like she was used as a "birth chamber" ! She felt something was wrong...
This link is awesome and there is a LOT of info there!! check it out: http://www.grailcode.net/

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Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on October 13, 2011, 10:29:21 PM
SimPattyK thankyou for posting the videos and pictures.   All I can say now is OMG   OMG! .   I am definitely going to research about the Shroud of Turin.  Do you think that this Shroud is a giant hoax run by the illuminati just to trick us ?   I don't know but I wouldn't put it past them.  That's why I have a horrible feeling right now.     Do you think Michael knew about this ?  He was friends with Diana, so maybe ????    Could he have faked his death to warn the world about this and other illuminati plans ??      Holy Moly Batman !!!!!!     I am going to research what I can.     One thing I didn't understand in the video was, How did they get the blood off of the Shroud ?  If it is real then the blood is dried up and it is 2000 years old.  Could it still be used that old ????    That video gave me chills.  It made me think of this :   

Lyrics from the song "Threatened" on the Invincible album.

This is judgment night, execution, slaughter
The devil, ghosts, this monster is torture
You can be sure of one thing, that's fate
A human presence that you feel is strange A monster that you can see disappear
A monster, the worst thing to fear

What you have just witnessed could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare.
It isn't. It's the beginning.    /overreacting/              WTF??


Also there is a song "Monster" on the Michael Album.  "He's a Monster. He's an animal"




Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on October 15, 2011, 12:02:11 AM
1. What Book Was Elvis Reading When He Died? - http://shroudofturin.wordpress.com/2011/08/17/what-book-was-elvis-reading-when-he-died/
2. Elvis & the Shroud of Turin - http://elvislightedcan.free-forums.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4487
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So I was not crazy after all... when I created this photo-montage few days ago!
It seems others saw the same connection to the Shroud of Turin as I did!
Maybe we're all crazy!! Who knows!??


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@Dontwalkaway: thanks you for your message. I will answer you asap! ;)
kisssssssss
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: son on October 15, 2011, 01:46:15 AM
So let's not "walk away" from someone who wants to bring love,light,peace, awareness to the world.   I don't think it is important what you call it such as messiah/saviour/angel/prophet/archangel etc.  because the basic messages and ideas are the same.    Let's not let religion divide us.   There is really only one religion and that is LOVE.   We're all one.    Peace and Love.

Objectively untrue. Not only are terms like Messiah, Prophet, Savior and (arch) Angel distinct from each other (Messiah and Savior can be interchangeable) but the world's religions cannot be unified. Not without some major compromise.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: son on October 15, 2011, 01:50:59 AM
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Please, we're going off the point somewhat. There is not one shred of credible historical information that says Jesus ever existed. He wasn't a physical man, he was a gnostic character who we all must become to reach enlightenment.

Jesus never existed.....they just wrote a scenario about him and spreaded it on the whole planet. Go figure...

But I wonder where those words of wisdom in the gospells came from ......the writer must have been really inspired.


 crash/

Even Gnostics believed he existed, to argue whether or not he existed (while it's "possible" he didn't) is really no different than arguing against the existence of Alexander the Great or Plato.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: MJonmind on October 15, 2011, 02:42:50 AM
Both the Shroud of Turin and Ron Wyatt's 'discoveries' are frauds (perhaps hoaxes).

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http://www.tccsa.tc/articles/wyatt.html
First, a partial list of Ron Wyatt's claimed discoveries and accomplishments:

Noah's Ark (the Durupinar site, for which he has been the prime promoter)
Stone sea anchors believed to be used by Noah to steer the vessel into the wind
Petrified timbers from the Ark that were used as memorials in an Armenian graveyard
Noah's sacrifice area at the site
A large stone carving near the Ark picturing 8 people coming out of the side, with a rainbow above the boat, and inscriptions in Summerian, Hurrian, and Urartian identifying this formation as the Ark of Noah
Trainloads of petrified pre-flood wood that had no tree rings on the site
Corroded metal fittings, found in rows, delineating the "ribs of the ship," as indicated by metal detectors and especially a "molecular frequency generator"
A house that Noah built
Stones on this house containing inscriptions that recorded details about the Deluge
A pictograph of eight people leaving a large wave of water with a boat perched above it
Noah's grave
Mrs. Noah's grave (containing a fortune-her gold and jewelry)
The Ark of the Covenant (under the exact spot where Jesus was crucified)
The Menorah (a seven-branched candelabra), the Table of Shewbread, and the Golden Altar of Incense from the ancient Temple
Christ's blood, scraped off of the Mercy Seat of the Ark of the Covenant
DNA analysis of the blood indicates that Christ was born of a virgin
The true site of Christ's crucifixion and the stone socket in which the cross was placed
Verified the tomb of Christ was the actual tomb
Claimed Jesus' tomb was sealed with a Roman iron spike, still visible
Moses' stone tablets containing the Ten Commandments, held together with golden hinges
Solved the problem of the construction of the pyramids
Also the problems in Egyptian chronology
Discovered the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah
Discovered sulfur balls from the same
The true site of the Israelites' Red Sea crossing
A stone monument near the site erected by Solomon, inscribed with the ancient Hebrew script
Horse and human skeletons from Pharaoh's drowned army
Gold covered chariot wheels and chariot parts
The true Mount Sinai
The 12 altars built by Moses in Exodus 24
The actual rock Moses struck to release water at Kadesh
The site of Korah's earthquake where the ground swallowed up Korah and his followers
Knows how the Shroud of Turin was forged
Has cracked the code of the Copper Scroll
Claimed (on tape) that he can read any ancient inscription
Discovered the pillars of Solomon
The tomb of the Patriarchs, the cave of Machpelah
Moses was known in Egyptian history as Thutmosa III
Joseph was the builder of the first pyramid
Storage bins Joseph used during the drought in Egypt
Bones of giant pre-flood people
Ancient Canaanite burial pots at Ashkelon
 
Wow!  One man – working part time – on his vacations!!  How is this possible?
http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/love_money_wyatt.html

The shroud of Turin is most likely  an image from Jack DeMolay, grand master of knights Templar.
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http://blog.templarhistory.com/2010/03/the-templars-and-the-shroud-of-turin/
It is not the intention of this web site to cast doubt on or support the authenticity of the shroud, but rather to show its possible relationship to the Knights Templar. We receive many letters from angry people who wish to enter into lengthy debates about carbon 14 reliability. We are aware of new evidence that puts the reliability of carbon 14 dating in question, so please refrain from telling us of the findings or directing us to URLs that make the claims.

There are two theories that relate to the Templars having been involved with the Shroud, one, which would support the authenticity of the Shroud and another, which would refute it.

In 1204 the Crusaders sacked the city of Constantinople. Among them were the Knights Templar, whom some scholars contend took the Burial shroud of Jesus from the city. To support this theory, author Ian Wilson who wrote the book “The Shroud of Turin: Burial Cloth Of Jesus?” makes the claim that the head that the Templars were accused of worshipping was none other than that of Jesus. His belief is that the Shroud when folded depicted the head of Christ and was referred to as the “Mandylion.” There is a painted panel at Templecombe in England that shows a bearded head like that, which is depicted on the Mandylion.

In their two books, “The Hiram Key” and “The Second Messiah,” authors Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas paint a contrasting picture to the Mandylion theory. The authors theorize that the image on the Shroud of Turin is in fact that of the last Grand Master of the order, Jacques de Molay, who was tortured some months before his execution in 1307. The image on the shroud certainly does fit the description of de Molay as depicted in medieval wood cuts, a long nose, hair shoulder length and parted in the center, a full beard that forked at its base, not to mention the six-foot frame. De Molay was said to be quite tall.

However, many have criticized the theory on the basis that the Templar rule of order forbade the Templars from growing their hair long. What critics of the theory overlook is that during DeMolay’s seven years in prison it is highly unlikely that he would have been afforded such luxuries as good grooming.

Knight and Lomas claim that the shroud figured in the Templars rituals of figurative resurrection and that DeMolay’s tortured body was wrapped in a shroud, which the Templars kept after his death. Lomas and Knight further believe that lactic acid and blood from DeMolay’s tortured body mixed with frankincense (used to whiten the cloth) etching his image into the shroud.

When the shroud was first put on display in 1357 (50 years after the disbanding of the order) by the family of Geoffrey de Charney who was also burned at the stake with de Molay, the first people viewing the shroud recognized the image to be that of Christ.

The authors theorize that Jacques de Molay may have been tortured in a manner similar to Christ as a mockery. Certainly then, the wounds suffered by de Molay where the same as those of Jesus Christ on the Cross.

Today it is commonly believed by many, through carbon dating, that the shroud dates to the late 13th century and not to the date of Christ’s supposed crucifixion. It is interesting that the church revealed these carbon dating results on October 13th, 1989, which is the same day the Templars were arrested by Church and State. According to the authors:

“Carbon dating has conclusively shown that the Shroud of Turin dates from between 1260 and 1380, precisely as we would expect if it were the image of Jacques de Molay. There is no other known theory that fits the scientifically established facts. Through experimentation, we know that the figure on the Shroud was on a soft bed of some kind, which strongly suggests that the victim was not dead and was expected to recover.”

The Second Messiah pg. 161 – Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas

Regardless of whether the findings of Ian Wilson or Knight and Lomas are correct, it is evident that this most holy and venerated relic has found its way into the Templar mythos.

Lynn Picknet and Clive Prince, authors of “Turin Shroud: In Whose Image?” present another theory of interest on the matter. Readers will recognize the authors from the book, “The Templar Revelation.” In the authors’ earlier book the duo claim that Leonardo Da Vinci who created an early photographic technique manufactured the image on the shroud of Turin.

I really believe that one of the reasons for the hoax is Michael wanting us to discover that we are being lied to in major ways, by media, government and perhaps even long-held beliefs. Powerful institutions have always (for thousands of years) gained money and power by manipulating what people/the masses believe. Christians don't believe the Bible has been tampered with, but as an example-- the 2 New Testament verses with the trinity in them, were added about 300 years later by the Catholic church for their own gains/purposes.  http://www.angelfire.com/space/thegospeltruth/trinity/verses/1Jn5_7.html I love the Bible, but I now see the Divine guidance in writing it a little more loosely. Possibly the cryptic understanding of what it holds and really means will only now be revealed, completely different than what was thought--perspective--big picture--where ALL people are loved unconditionally. JMO
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Blue Fox of Love on October 15, 2011, 04:18:54 AM
Ok, first. There is nothing wrong with comparing Mike with Jesus.
The reason why some people think it's a shame to do it, is because they have a "divine" perception of Jesus.
Whatever our beliefs are, we have to really stay down to earth. My understanding of the first post is in no way saying that Michael would "replace" Jesus. The 2 men are from different times, so how could that be possible anyway? Jesus did what he had to do at its own era, and so did Michael. So nobody should feel offense about the comparison: they are 2 great guys that did great things to spread their message of love and respect.
 
Historical proofs and historical writings showed the historical existence of Jesus. Not it's "divine" existence. The "divine" reputation of Jesus was spread by the unoriginal gospel (the only gospel founded are translations). So right from there, that belief is not based on proofs but on the interpretations that some religious dudes had at the time... and those translaters rewrote the story about 100 years after the crucifixion, and they filled the missing parts on people sayings. Not what we can call a reliable source. Thinking that Jesus was not a human is your belief, it is your right and your choice, but that doesn't mean it is the only way to see it. I personnaly see Jesus as an amazing revolutionary man, and I would have been one of his followers for sure, but to me he's in no way a God or God himself. And if he was fulfilled with a light, it is the exact same light we are ALL fulfilled with.

The reason why I'm saying all this is to make you see that in that perspective, yes, Mike can easily be compared to Jesus.
 
1) They are both very popular and influent;
2) They both spread a message of tolerance, love and respect;
3) They are both healers;
4) They both have been incredibly harrassed and teased;
5) They both faked their death.*
 
...And 6) I wish to say one day that they have both "resurrected".
 
 
* Those are old discoveries that seem to show that Jesus has been rescued not long after his crucifixion. He has been take care of and when he went back to see his friends, as we can read in the bible, they didn't recognise him at first. Further, the story says that he was often "appearing" in a garden... and at the time, only butchers and garden keepers had the right to... shave! ;) 
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Blue Fox of Love on October 15, 2011, 05:01:30 AM
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Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: son on October 15, 2011, 12:51:39 PM
@ Blue fox of love and others, I'll respond to you in detail later. JSYK Souza I'll be making another thread, as an intentional rebuttal of the MJ religious themes so I can go into detail.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on October 15, 2011, 02:04:35 PM
Bluefoxoflove.  I am thinking the same way as you.  There is nothing wrong with comparing Jesus and Mike because they had similar ideas and they lived in different times.  Also, we are still learning how to interpret the bible.  Also, we know we have been manipulated and we know we don't know everything.  We are all trying to seek the truth and this is a learning process.   

Also, I was thinking about what SimpattyK said about Prince William being a clone and the shroud of Turin being a hoax run by the illuminati.

What year was William born ?   When was Billie Jean written ?    Could that song be a clue ?

I am thinking that Billy Jean is Princess Diana, and the person talking is Prince Charles ???  Some lyrics from the song.


Billy Jean is not my lover ( Because I am having an affair with Camilla)
She's just a girl who says I am the one,  but the kid is not my son ( Diana was a surrogate mother for the illuminati's clone )
[b Her Schemes and plans[/b]
Be careful what you do, because the lie becomes the truth   

also Billy Jean can be Billy Gene.    Talking about genes and DNA
Also Billy is a name close to Willy.   Also, I read there was a king named William.  Talking about the royal genes and the royal families.



Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: son on October 15, 2011, 02:27:18 PM
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,20896.0.html
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Snoopy71 on October 15, 2011, 02:46:00 PM
Quote from: EarthEnigma
Please, we're going off the point somewhat. There is not one shred of credible historical information that says Jesus ever existed. He wasn't a physical man, he was a gnostic character who we all must become to reach enlightenment.

Jesus never existed.....they just wrote a scenario about him and spreaded it on the whole planet. Go figure...

But I wonder where those words of wisdom in the gospells came from ......the writer must have been really inspired.

 
BEST ANSWER EVER!  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
I won't comment further because everyone has their own spiritual beliefs, and I'm not one to say whose right or wrong here, so I prefer to steer clear of such topics....but that response tickled me pink  :lol: :lol: :lol:...sorry, I just had to say that geek/
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on October 15, 2011, 03:14:55 PM
Oh My !!!!!  I just went on ask.com.   Prince William was born on June 21, 1982.   This is around the same time of the Thriller album !!!!!!!!!!!


I think we need  DNA tests of prince charles, prince William and Harry !!!!!!!!!!!!        /cook/          smiley_spider
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on October 15, 2011, 03:27:40 PM
Oh No,  I hope I am doing this adding wrong.  Someone help because I got a very bad number.  One used by the illuminati a lot.   

June 21, 1982 is Prince Williams date of Birth.

6/21/1982         6 + 21=9      1 +9+8+2=20        20 + 9= 29          2 + 9= 11                 YIKES



 WTF??       /overreacting/           OMG!         smiley_spider           /cook/        bangbang            confused/
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: ~Souza~ on October 16, 2011, 02:52:11 PM
Oh No,  I hope I am doing this adding wrong.  Someone help because I got a very bad number.  One used by the illuminati a lot.   

June 21, 1982 is Prince Williams date of Birth.

6/21/1982         6 + 21=9      1 +9+8+2=20        20 + 9= 29          2 + 9= 11                 YIKES



 WTF??       /overreacting/           OMG!         smiley_spider           /cook/        bangbang            confused/

I'm an 11 as well, just like William and millions of other people.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on October 16, 2011, 04:21:55 PM
I am not saying that being an 11 is a bad thing.  I am only thinking that the illuminati tends to use it.   
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Blue Fox of Love on October 16, 2011, 10:09:27 PM
Quote from: EarthEnigma
Please, we're going off the point somewhat. There is not one shred of credible historical information that says Jesus ever existed. He wasn't a physical man, he was a gnostic character who we all must become to reach enlightenment.

Jesus never existed.....they just wrote a scenario about him and spreaded it on the whole planet. Go figure...

But I wonder where those words of wisdom in the gospells came from ......the writer must have been really inspired.

BEST ANSWER EVER!  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
I won't comment further because everyone has their own spiritual beliefs, and I'm not one to say whose right or wrong here, so I prefer to steer clear of such topics....but that response tickled me pink  :lol: :lol: :lol: ...sorry, I just had to say that geek/

 :) Well, there is nothing wrong with sharing your point of view, as long as you respect others, what you seem to do already. My opinion is that Jesus did exist, because there is too many people from the different places he traveled to, have met him and wrote about him. And many artefacts founded, confirm the writings. The investigations about Jesus are big and the proofs are too. So a conspiracy of creating a character seem more unbelievable to me than just say that he did exist.
 
But as I said, if you read my last post, I don't think he was "divine". I think people made him divine. Take a look at us: we make the artist famous. We imagine that they are wonderful, sometimes forgetting that they have their bad days to, and that Michael Jackson take a piss everyday.
 
And we suppose the gospel were written by the original disciples, not by Jesus himself, but the only gospel founded are manipulated traductions. And the inspiration for the gospel comes from everybody! You are able to think and say Holy things. The love you have inside is not from Jesus! It is from you. My opinion is that some peolpe have to stop mixing God with Jesus. We are all the answer. The Holy Love wasn't give to one person only.
 
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: YouRnotAlone7 on October 16, 2011, 10:39:14 PM
Bluefoxoflove.  I am thinking the same way as you.  There is nothing wrong with comparing Jesus and Mike because they had similar ideas and they lived in different times.  Also, we are still learning how to interpret the bible.  Also, we know we have been manipulated and we know we don't know everything.  We are all trying to seek the truth and this is a learning process.   

Also, I was thinking about what SimpattyK said about Prince William being a clone and the shroud of Turin being a hoax run by the illuminati.

What year was William born ?   When was Billie Jean written ?    Could that song be a clue ?

I am thinking that Billy Jean is Princess Diana, and the person talking is Prince Charles ???  Some lyrics from the song.


Billy Jean is not my lover ( Because I am having an affair with Camilla)
She's just a girl who says I am the one,  but the kid is not my son ( Diana was a surrogate mother for the illuminati's clone )
[b Her Schemes and plans[/b]
Be careful what you do, because the lie becomes the truth   

also Billy Jean can be Billy Gene.    Talking about genes and DNA
Also Billy is a name close to Willy.   Also, I read there was a king named William.  Talking about the royal genes and the royal families.

Excellent, excellent!!!   I always wondered why people didn't ::think::about the video....it had nothing to do with the song so I always assumed "Billy Jean" meant the music industry and not really a girl.  "The kid is not my son" meant the money from the songs wasn't Michael's object....but now I'm going to look into the Diana thing!  Thanks!   bounce/
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on October 17, 2011, 09:48:38 PM
YouRnotalone7,  Those were just thoughts that popped into my head.  I think the songs can have a lot of different meanings.  I think we should research about Princess Diana and the shroud of Turin.  I'll share if I find anything.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on October 18, 2011, 11:44:50 AM
@MjonMind: thank you for the info you brought in here about the shroud and the Templars...and the whole idea of it being just another big hoax in history!

@Blue Fox of Love: I like how you see /think about Jesus. But I think a bit different.. I agree with the "human perspective" that you have on him, but I think that he was (is) not God, but created/sent by Him on Earth, as his son/"right hand"/angel/prophet ...call him anyway you like. I cannot ignore the divine side in Jesus , no matter how human the life he led here on Earth was. No matter how natural, human , he was as a person/human being, Jesus was, I mean IS a divine entity! IMMORTAL ! I don't know if he ever reincarnated to come back among us or if angels are sent by God , in the form of beautiful, talented, generous, loving creatures like Michael, Elvis and many others! But I do feel God's presence/blessing around them! they have this angelic aura ...more or less "visible"/detectable for the common people.

@Dontwalkaway: regarding Prince William's birthday. I agree with you! there's no coincidence with number 11! And there's even a known fact that his birth was induced to happen that day! The "official" version of the story is that they made it happen quicker because supposedly Prince Charles had a polo match scheduled he did not want to miss! [if you can believe that!!} , but according to Alex Jones or Rik Clay... I can't remember well now who said it, the birth of Prince Williams was intended to take place that day to coincide ritually with the summer solstice!! The Illuminati are crazy about this kind of ritualistic dates! It's also related to the phases of the moon! taking into consideration DIANA - the Goddess of the Moon! If you follow that site I gave in my previous posts, you will learn more about their crazy stuff !!
Even the marriage of Prince William with Kate was planned to be on the 1st May [or the day towards the 1st of May} which is again some Masonic Feast!!
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on October 18, 2011, 12:34:50 PM
I will copy-paste here, a long message that I posted these days on facebook, in a reply to some people there... it's very related to what we've been discussing here so I thought I'd share it with you too. Here it is:

This is indeed a very delicate subject, that is why we should speak with people gently and with tolerance about this subject. I read what you all wrote here and my opinion stands somewhere in between of what Angela & Nikki said.... when asked about this religious subject, Michael repeatedly said that he is not God, that he is not Jesus, but that he thinks he and all of us should try and imitate Jesus and be like Jesus and do what Jesus would do if HE were on Earth. Now this is Michael's opinion and I think everyone agrees lol

I believe Michael is not Jesus, but I also believe that Michael is not just simply a human being. Michael is more than just an exceptional human being: Michael is a messenger of God! [I have this as an irrefutable conviction! Anyone is entitled to deny and to contradict me on this, but I will NEVER change my mind and I will respect any other contradictory opinions].
So as I said... I believe Michael is a messenger of God, whether he is an angel, a prophet, or archangel Michael, I don't know and frankly it doesn't even matter, the point is that it is clear to me that he must be somehow half human , half angel! He is much too gifted, he is much too generous, intelligent, courageous, and here you're my guests to add as many qualities as you like, there still won't be enough to describe the level of perfection that Michael tends to! and he totally surpasses anything that any human has ever done here on Earth at least in this last century: starting from the fact that he is as popular as Jesus around the world! No one, no other human being has reached that level of popularity among people on Earth and then you can go on with all the other exceptional, unique, never seen things he has done and still IS DOING!
I mentioned all this^^ to give arguments and sustain my statement that -Michael is a messenger from God-
Now regarding the eerie similarities to Jesus: it is because of these divine "coincidences"/similarities that people tend to compare and even associate Michael with Jesus. That is why things get rough when people discuss on this. I think that Michael's divine mission is only to remind us of Jesus, to remind us of what Jesus went through, to remind us we need to become a better version of ourselves, to remind us that we need to awaken the angelic side in us, to bring back the LOVE , the compassion, the tolerance that humanity should normally possess on a daily basis, not just when we occasionally remember those things lol
All the lyrics of Michael's songs, all his speeches, all his actions, everything is a proof that Michael is a special, divine missionary here on Earth and I believe the same about Elvis! and pretty much about all genius minds that we have seen so far in the history of our world.  I think you all know Michael's speeches about God and the fact that Michael was fully aware of his mission here on Earth. Now regarding what I said about Elvis being a missionary too and also fully aware of it! Just read Elvis' own words [in my montages from previous pages here] and judge by yourselves!! ♥

I also highly recommend you  to watch all the 4 parts of this series on youtube, about Elvis' twin and Elvis' deep spiritual nature, his philosophy of life, what the closest people in his life say about him!
You will again, notice many common points between him and Michael!!
Including the fact that Larry Geller was Elvis' spiritual -friend/adviser, just like later, his son - Uri Geller was Michael's spiritual friend/adviser! It's amazing!
These strong spiritual connections between them, these similarities...they can't be ALL planned!! and there are no coincidences either! Everything has a meaning! This also MUST come from GOD! That's why I will always believe they are/were sent by God, they are divine missionaries, I have no doubt about it.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eboHplIMic0[/youtube]

I believe that God, in his GREAT generosity, has always sent us his angels [incarnated or reincarnated] in half-humans, here on Earth, to teach us, to help us, to guide us! The bad part is that most often, we the mortals, tend to never notice and appreciate at the right time, God's messengers! Only after these "disguised angels" disappear, people start to realize what they had!
I believe that a major change is going to come because GOD wants this! I believe that Michael's case so much resembling to Jesus' case is just God's way to help us prepare for what is about to come!! Ever since the hoax started, I've been seeing this as a "rehearsal" for something bigger that awaits ahead of us!! The beLIEVErs are acquainted a bit, but not about everything, but the non-believers and even less the rest of the world is unaware... I think that when Michael said that we are his soldiers of LOVE, he meant he needed us to help other unaware people discover everything we have discovered since we became MJ-fans, then belIEvers to this day!
I also think that there is no exaggeration for people to state "Michael is my religion!" Pardon me! But have you seen [at least in the past century] any other human being [besides probably Mother Theresa!] to be capable of turning people towards the good in them and towards God as Michael did or at least tried to? I am sorry but not even the Pope managed to do what Michael did in the past 20 years to say the least! So yes, Michael is my religion too!! and I think I don't exaggerate to feel, believe and say this! Not even 1%!! No exaggeration! Just facts and truth!

Ok, so this is how I see things... and I can understand if it may sound odd to some of you or if you disagree with everything or just parts of my little "speech" here lolll But I don't want anyone to feel like I am imposing my opinion on you guys, no ,I only ask tolerance and respect for all our opinions, be they as different as they may! Even if we disagree, just keep this in mind: we, as beLIEvers, will always be united by a divine blessing: which is: the gift that God gave us to be able to understand this plan ["hoax"] better than other people will ever do! The beLIEvers are special people! I am totally convinced of that! So Keep the faith and continue to spread (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Amour/0056.gif) Whatever Happens! kissss & hugs ♥

Elvis PHILOSOPHICAL song ♥
[youtube] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbryzR_3dR4[/youtube]
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on October 18, 2011, 02:17:08 PM
As I said in my previous post, you need to watch all the 4 parts of this youtube series! it's simply amazing!!

I will quote below some of the most interesting statements about Elvis, extracted from these videos.
The second part of the series is FULL of incredible info that I am sure not many people know about Elvis!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKQYs-80O_k&feature=autoplay&list=UL-1L8h6HJ8SY&lf=mfu_in_order&playnext=1[/youtube]

1. minute 02:00 - Larry Geller recalls how Elvis told him a strange dream he had about his twin brother Jesse...

2. Through out the whole video Lisa Marie talks about her father in such a manner that leaves me both impressed and kind of surprised!!! How could a 9-year-old [the age Lisa had when Elvis supposedly died] have observed her father with such maturity?? She was only a child! I don't doubt she was a very clever child, but still at that age she couldn't have known him so well!! I mean ... she must have got to know him so well later, in his after-hoax life when she grew older and more capable of understanding her father's philosophical/spiritual nature! Even if she guided herself through out her father's notes on the books he used to read, still she speaks like she really knew him when she was older than just 9-year-old. Please watch the videos and tell me what you think about this!

3. minute 05:20 Priscilla says some very interesting things about Elvis, related yo what we've been discussing here on this topic... Elvis - the preacher! the missionary!
Priscilla says: "We'd have you know a bunch of people over and he'd preach out of the Bible!  Which was funny because his stories were entirely different than what was in the Bible ... I mean he had a whole other version, very flamboyant, very expressive and very funny!"

4. Next is Larry Geller again: "people that came into his life, that came over the house... he would turn on to his philosophy so to speak"

5. minute 06:40 Priscilla just finishes enumerating all the favorite books of Elvis, then she says: "There were also other things that Elvis was interested in like The Cheiro's Book of Numbers, he loved numbers, he loved words, he would break words down and break them into syllables and then tried to match them to see what they really meant." Then on of his friends continues to speak about his passion for Numerology...
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on October 18, 2011, 02:33:12 PM
Then in the 3rd part: Again Lisa Marie and Priscilla and Larry Geller totally blew me away with what they said about Elvis.

He is simply fascinating!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1L8h6HJ8SY&feature=related[/youtube]

1. minute 00:46 Priscilla: "In Bel Air there were this kind of sprinkles that were moving BACK and FORWARD and the way that they were positioned..they looked like angels and Elvis thought he was seeing angels and he thought that they were calling him and he would go out and he wanted people to come and see ... you know what he was experiencing and we would try so hard to see the same things he was seeing or pointing out to us. It goes to show you his search for answers for some meaning to something. I don't think he had or felt he had the support or backing or the understanding of who he was!"

2. minute 02:15 Priscilla: "He always had questions about: WHY HIM!? WHY ME!? WHY HAVE I BEEN GIVEN THIS TALENT?! He never really understood why all the adulation."

3. minute 02:25 Elvis says: "I mean even if you are perfect... I mean I'm not saying I am perfect because no man is perfect, but there was only one perfect man and that was Jesus Christ and people didn't like Him! you know they killed Him! and he couldn't understand WHY!?"

4. Somewhere at the minute 05:49 Priscilla says "I don't think he ever understood what his special mission was" - I kind of disagree with her here loll, because from many other Elvis statements we can clearly see from his own words that at some point in his life he had become fully aware on the WHY and the HOW God blessed him like that!

5. minute 05:50 - Lisa Marie - makes again a statement that leaves me with no doubt that she knows Elvis as an adult woman not just as the little girl she was in 1977. To me everything that Lisa says in these videos is a vivid proof that Elvis is still ALIVE !! She says: "So that put him on this quest! which was his own you know...it was probably incredibly lonely way to be... put in a situation where he's on his way trying to find his own self..."

6. Elvis step brother - David Stanley: "he sat down and said to me: "David, Jesus Christ - I know who HE is! But WHO am I!?"

7. minute 06:15 - Larry Geller recalls an interesting incident with Elvis: "There was this bus next to us, with a load of people and the driver with a cap, we both came to a red light, we were waiting for the light to turn green... and what do we see? We see the driver get out of the bus, go to the curb, clots his chest and fell limp into the street. Elvis says to his driver "Open the door!", he opens the door, he ran out, Elvis runs to the driver... he holds him up, puts his hand on the man's chest and starts to say a prayer..." and .... I let you listen to what Larry Geller says!
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on October 18, 2011, 03:26:34 PM
And some other intriguing statements about Elvis in the final part:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CVxFVom6x8&feature=related[/youtube]


1. Minute 01:19 - Priscilla says: "He felt that he could do so much more with his talent. He saw all the people that he had coming to his concerts and he knew that he touched them, but he never really knew what he was to do with it.... "What had God wanted me to use this for?" He had so many people as his followers, that he felt that he needed to know what he could give back that was of importance, that could be heard, that he was somehow of help. And I do believe that he thought at one time that it was to be a preacher!


2. Elvis' step brother - David Stanley: "There were thunders and lightening ... a huge huge STORM and Elvis says "Man I'm sick of this!" we couldn't even see our own hands in Front of our faces! and he said: "I'll take care of it!" So he rolls Back as the rain was coming in on us and he took his hands and went like this and God is my witness, the only reason I'm believing this is 'cause I was there! and he went like this and it was like the whole thing split down the middle: pouring down rain o n the one side, pouring down rain on the other side and it looked like the YELLOW BRICK ROAD in the middle with sunbeams on the road all the way down in the middle!"
 OMG! OMG! OMG!


3. At the end of the video...there's someone speaking about Elvis...I don't know who he is, I think it's someone from his TOUR-team, He's so touching speaking about Elvis ...he sounds sad, but he really speaks from the heart (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Amour/coeur4.gif)
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on October 18, 2011, 05:33:37 PM
Oh My Gosh SimPattyK !!!!!,  maybe it wasn't a coincidence about Prince Williams' birthdate being an 11 ??????   I was hoping that it was.   That is interesting that you saw a story about his birth being induced ?    Where did you see it ?    They planned it for this day ????   Scary Stuff to think about.  It is hard for me to believe that people could be so evil and plan these evil things for so long ????  But I know there are.     :cry:    Is the royal family one of the main leaders of the illuminati ???    They want to stay hidden and say they are figure heads ????   Probably not because Prince William is doing pilot training right now in the U.S. ????

I agree with you about Michael and Elvis.  It seems like they are not just ordinary humans.  They seem special and seem to have special abilities.  It does seem that they are messengers from God.  It seems that God gave them special abilities in order to help all of us.  We all should appreciate them because doing what they do is very hard.    I saw the video where they were talking about Elvis being able to do astral projection.   Supposedly humans have a lot more abilities than we think we do.  We only use a very small part of our brains.  We can do so much more.  We can use the energy field around us for great things including things like telepathy.  Supposedly that is the next step in evolution for humans if we make it.    I want to get David Wilcock's new book about it.     Peace and Love
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on October 18, 2011, 07:05:43 PM
Oh My Gosh SimPattyK !!!!!,  maybe it wasn't a coincidence about Prince Williams' birthdate being an 11 ??? I was hoping that it was. That is interesting that you saw a story about his birth being induced? Where did you see it ? They planned it for this day ??? Scary Stuff to think about.  It is hard for me to believe that people could be so evil and plan these evil things for so long ???  But I know there are. :cry: [...]
As I said you can find many of these info on the links I gave previously, but also with the help of Mr. Google where I found these links:1.
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"[...]it is regrettable that Prince William’s birth was a result of induced labor (p. 45, Diana: Her True Story by Andrew Morton)[...]
source: http://sisterrayastrology.com/william.htm
"Remember ... Remember... the 5th of November!!!" ---)) 2.
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"On November 5, 1981, Diana's first pregnancy was officially announced, and she openly discussed it with members of the press.  On June 21, 1982, at St. Mary's Hospital, after 16 hours of labour, Diana gave birth to her first son, Prince William.  He was the first heir to the British throne to be born in a hospital.  William was an induced delivery - scheduled around Prince Charles' summer polo diary.
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  There was some controversy in the media when she decided to take William, still a baby, on her first major overseas visit to Australia and New Zealand soon after. But that was later popularly applauded.  Although called Wills for short, this was where William got his other playful moniker - Wombat. "
source: http://www.britishroyals.info/diana/biography5.html

[...]Is the royal family one of the main leaders of the illuminati ???    They want to stay hidden and say they are figure heads ????   Probably not because Prince William is doing pilot training right now in the U.S. ???? [...]
To answer to your questions here, I invite you to read this article here. I quote a few lines from it... It seems that just like Diana, Prince William is not willing to let himself used by the Illuminati!! I also believe in let's say... 50% chances that Diana is still alive!! and protected somewhere from the masons!
3.
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"[...]Prince William refuses to be King
October 18, 2001

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All the elite in the government and the royal houses of western Europe belong to secret organisations (Bilderberg, illuminati, masonary). Like in criminal sects, the rule of these organisations is total obedience or death. In the case of Diana, the very same people who murdered the mother of William, are demanding him to play the role of King. Today William couldn't continue any longer this most horrible game. In an interview with the Star Magazine, "Prince William has stunned his father Prince Charles by vowing he'll never be king -- because he can't forgive the royal family for the way they mistreated his beloved mom, Princess Diana." (1)
It seems that once again, like in the case of Elian, the love between parents and children was stronger than TOTAL evil. Will William pay with his life for this ?[....]"
source: http://verdade.no.sapo.pt/destruction/diana.html

On the other hand, a more recent article writes this:
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[...]Prince William Taking Two Huge Steps To Become The "Masonic Christ"!

Subtitle: Step 1 - In line with our belief that Antichrist will come from the House of Windsor, Prince William joined the "Order of the Garter", a secret society formed in 1348 which has long exercised great control over the global Illuminati.

Step 2 - Prince Charles and Queen Elizabeth II announce plans to put Prince William through an unprecedented course on how to be a King -- a course of training never done before in all England's long history! Is William going to be trained to be Antichrist, the coming "Man of Lawlessness"?

[....]
Not only was Prince William born 21 June 1982, but he was made the 1,000th member of the Order of the Garter on 16 June 2008! Isn't it interesting that the man we believe is the future Antichrist was precisely the 1,000th member of the Garter! Prince William had to become a member of the Order of the Garter if he was going to one day become the Masonic Christ, also known as Antichrist. His family possesses the right pedigree, the right symbolism and the right genealogy to have Antichrist come out of their ranks.

Unprecedented Teaching and Training For Prince William

Since we expect 2012 to be the logical year for Antichrist to arise, and since we expect Prince William to be the "Man of Sin", we should not be too surprised to learn that Prince Charles and Queen Elizabeth II have created a very special training course for William to teach him how to be King. The most interesting fact is that this type of training has never, ever been undertaken in all England's history!

NEWS BRIEF: "Queen and Charles draw up secret plan to train Prince William: First Ever Type of Training", News of the World, July 26, 2008

"PRINCE William is to be given an astonishing apprenticeship in how to be king ... The Queen and Prince Charles have drawn up a secret two-year intensive training programme which he will start when he quits military life in the New Year. A senior royal aide confirmed last night: 'You could say he'll be the first person to ever get an apprenticeship in Kingship'."

Why would Prince Charles and Queen Elizabeth II feel it necessary to create a historically unprecedented "apprenticeship in Kingship"? Why, after 1,000+ years of English history would the reigning Monarch and her prestigious son, decide that this young Prince needed an apprenticeship program training him to be King?

The answer may lie in the fact that this training program is not designed to train him to be King of England, but King of the World, the Masonic Christ, the one whom the Bible will call Antichrist! Granted, this theory is speculation, but I believe it to be calculated speculation. Being King of the World will be a far more daunting task than just King of Great Britain. This global king will have to learn how to successfully deal with widely divergent cultures from all around the world. He will have to be thoroughly trained in how to not anger individual rulers from many different cultures throughout the world. [....]
READ THE REST HERE: http://www.endtimeschristianity.com/cgi-bin/webbbs_files/webbbs_config.pl?noframes;read=1225
^^ Very interesting !

[...]Supposedly humans have a lot more abilities than we think we do.  We only use a very small part of our brains.  We can do so much more.  We can use the energy field around us for great things including things like telepathy.  Supposedly that is the next step in evolution for humans if we make it.[...]
I also think we, as humans should try our best to improve our skills in using our brain and our energy field at their at leas half capacity! Then the world would surely be a better place!

Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on October 18, 2011, 07:35:08 PM
As I said in my previous post ^^ I believe that Lady Diana might still be alive ..let's say 50% chances from what I could find out until now...
I don't know if these sources are credible or not, but I wouldn't dismiss anything yet!

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Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: MissG on October 18, 2011, 07:55:16 PM
 OMG! :| ::P :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Billy Jean is not my lover ( Because I am having an affair with Camilla)
She's just a girl who says I am the one,  but the kid is not my son ( Diana was a surrogate mother for the illuminati's clone )
[b Her Schemes and plans
Be careful what you do, because the lie becomes the truth   

also Billy Jean can be Billy Gene.    Talking about genes and DNA
Also Billy is a name close to Willy.   Also, I read there was a king named William.  Talking about the royal genes and the royal families.


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Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on October 18, 2011, 08:26:34 PM
Thanks SimPattyK,  You are a wealth of information.  How do you find everything and so fast ?   It's making me think about who are the leaders of the illuminati.  I will read what I can.    It's getting scary because it is becoming more real every day.  It would be so great if Diana was still alive !!!!!

Peace               :-*
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on October 19, 2011, 02:29:06 AM
Dontwalkaway: I didn't find the info fast... I had known these things for quite some time now.
I've always loved Diana and I read a lot about her, both before and after 1997.
Only the 2-3 articles that I quote last evening I found them on the spot.

And you know what seems eerie to me? It's the fact that I still find things about Diana, while I am researching about Elvis and Michael! It often occurs to me to find links, photos about her, her mysterious death and of course William! - regarding the "religious" subject, even if I don't exactly search for her, but for Elvis & Michael info! Isn't that strange? They are connected somehow... more than we know now! I can feel it!

There are some interesting connections between her, Elvis and Michael...all related to the statue of Liberty! I am  currently on this subject trying to find some more info... I will make a montage...
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: MJonmind on October 19, 2011, 03:17:29 AM
I started a thread elsewhere with these videos but since I'm thinking after reading here, that they might fit. I'm not saying I'm agreeing with them, but they certainly give good points and aspects to understanding the Bible and earth history. Also someone mentioned about lots of proof that Jesus existed, well I would say that there is NOT. In the third video he talks about that. The only historian who mentions the name of Jesus Christ of course without the letter J and in Greek, is Josephus. And that excerpt apparantly has been proven to be added later (fraud). All other references are from the early church fathers in the later first century and on. He says there are a couple of references only to the Christ but without the Jesus added. For instance this is Tacitus a Roman historian from the second century:
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But not all the relief that could come from man, not all the Bounties that the prince could bestow, nor all the atonements Which could be presented to the gods, availed to relieve Nero From the infamy of being believed to have ordered the Conflagration, the fire of Rome. Hence to suppress the rumor, he Falsely charged with the guilt, and punished Christians, who were Hated for their enormities. Christus, the founder of the name, was Put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign Of Tiberius: but the pernicious superstition, repressed for a time Broke out again, not only through Judea, where the mischief Originated, but through the city of Rome also, where all things Hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their Center and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first Made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an Immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of Firing the city, as of hatred against mankind.

http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/tacitus.html
By the second century there was easily time for stories to be enlarged and fancified about Jesus, such as imagine what could happen even 50 years from Michael's death. And remember that during his actual lifetime Jesus was rejected by the religious people of his day much as Christians here would reject Michael in a similar role. To me it's all perspective, and how powerful people and our minds can deceive us. After 2000 years it has been clever marketing and packaging that has made all the difference for belief in Jesus.

I watched these videos and found them intriguing. They start off with ancient Egypt and symbols that we have all seen in MJ's life/hoax. At one point the narrator says, "This is it." lol  It relates to African/Egyptians origins of African Americans, links through slavery, using the Matrix as a style of delivery of his message. As the videos progress, the discussion is about the source of Christianity and even the Old Testament being rooted ALL in Egypt and astrology.  They show a black-skinned Madonna and child, which I absolutely agree is completely factual with much evidence.

I know that I have noticed a definate pointing in this MJ hoax to Egypt, with some hints of Christians themes, but by no means pushing a get saved in Jesus agenda. MJ includes the Mayan calendar and bringing love back to the world not through any religion. These videos seem similar to his philosophy in some ways. I agree about the black origins of the Biblical people, but all the rest I'm just on the fence, but open.  Humans have and are very creative and inventive, borrowing concepts from previous writings. This can be packaged so well, and so convincingly, and we all throughout history as humans, can become so arrogant thinking our way is right and everyone else should believe the same way. Some will spread their beliefs by force, especially if they are in positions of power.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb9r1yrEs6o&feature=related[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc3lBKMwAh8&feature=related[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJXAq1nqj6g&feature=related[/youtube]

In the final analysis for me, it is God alone who creates EVERYTHING, plans how history goes, plans who the villians (including the Illuminati) are, who the heros/saviours/enlightened ones are. And He loves every single person. He holds every atom together and He knows/causes every thought and action we think and do. JMO :D
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Starchild on October 19, 2011, 04:45:11 AM
I started a thread elsewhere with these videos but since I'm thinking after reading here, that they might fit. I'm not saying I'm agreeing with them, but they certainly give good points and aspects to understanding the Bible and earth history. Also someone mentioned about lots of proof that Jesus existed, well I would say that there is NOT. In the third video he talks about that. The only historian who mentions the name of Jesus Christ of course without the letter J and in Greek, is Josephus. And that excerpt apparantly has been proven to be added later (fraud). All other references are from the early church fathers in the later first century and on. He says there are a couple of references only to the Christ but without the Jesus added. For instance this is Tacitus a Roman historian from the second century:
Quote
But not all the relief that could come from man, not all the Bounties that the prince could bestow, nor all the atonements Which could be presented to the gods, availed to relieve Nero From the infamy of being believed to have ordered the Conflagration, the fire of Rome. Hence to suppress the rumor, he Falsely charged with the guilt, and punished Christians, who were Hated for their enormities. Christus, the founder of the name, was Put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign Of Tiberius: but the pernicious superstition, repressed for a time Broke out again, not only through Judea, where the mischief Originated, but through the city of Rome also, where all things Hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their Center and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first Made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an Immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of Firing the city, as of hatred against mankind.

http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/tacitus.html (http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/tacitus.html)
By the second century there was easily time for stories to be enlarged and fancified about Jesus, such as imagine what could happen even 50 years from Michael's death. And remember that during his actual lifetime Jesus was rejected by the religious people of his day much as Christians here would reject Michael in a similar role. To me it's all perspective, and how powerful people and our minds can deceive us. After 2000 years it has been clever marketing and packaging that has made all the difference for belief in Jesus.

I watched these videos and found them intriguing. They start off with ancient Egypt and symbols that we have all seen in MJ's life/hoax. At one point the narrator says, "This is it." lol  It relates to African/Egyptians origins of African Americans, links through slavery, using the Matrix as a style of delivery of his message. As the videos progress, the discussion is about the source of Christianity and even the Old Testament being rooted ALL in Egypt and astrology.  They show a black-skinned Madonna and child, which I absolutely agree is completely factual with much evidence.

I know that I have noticed a definate pointing in this MJ hoax to Egypt, with some hints of Christians themes, but by no means pushing a get saved in Jesus agenda. MJ includes the Mayan calendar and bringing love back to the world not through any religion. These videos seem similar to his philosophy in some ways. I agree about the black origins of the Biblical people, but all the rest I'm just on the fence, but open.  Humans have and are very creative and inventive, borrowing concepts from previous writings. This can be packaged so well, and so convincingly, and we all throughout history as humans, can become so arrogant thinking our way is right and everyone else should believe the same way. Some will spread their beliefs by force, especially if they are in positions of power.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb9r1yrEs6o&feature=related[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc3lBKMwAh8&feature=related[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJXAq1nqj6g&feature=related[/youtube]

In the final analysis for me, it is God alone who creates EVERYTHING, plans how history goes, plans who the villians (including the Illuminati) are, who the heros/saviours/enlightened ones are. And He loves every single person. He holds every atom together and He knows/causes every thought and action we think and do. JMO :D


Absolutely agree with the portions of underlined text within your post, MJonmind. [/color] The second century stories presumably set the stage for the possibility and acceptance of the results of the debate about the divinity of Christ at the First Council of Nicaea in the early part of the third century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea)).  However, “in the final analysis for me, it is God alone who creates EVERYTHING” . . . in conjunction with our God-given free will.  JMO.  ;)  

The videos sound interesting.  I’ll definitely view them at some point.  Thanks for posting them.


Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on October 19, 2011, 10:28:29 AM
@MjonMind as always your post is wonderful!
Thank you for posting about those things... You did it better than I ever would have...
I love what you wrote and I feel/think the same as you regarding GOD and Jesus

much LOVE to you  bearhug
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on October 19, 2011, 08:48:36 PM
It is interesting that the "Jesus" story is pretty much the same as the story of "Horus" and all the other "anointed ones" throughout the ages.  Maybe it's the same story written over and over ?????   Maybe it happened over and over ?  He said christianity was a fraud to manipulate society.  This could be; but the same story was told in many other places and times.    There all so similar.    The video talks about how it has to do with worshipping the sun and studying astrology etc.  I've also seen videos where they talk about the Egyptians doing a lot more than just worshipping the sun.  They get information from the light and even use light as a machine for resurrection and revival.  That's why they built the pyramids.  They had superior technology probably from places far away from earth.  Their knowledge is tied to astrology and maybe even alien visitors.    There is a lot more to this story. 

Also, I heard him say in the video that the age of aquarius is called the age of water.  The symbol is a man carrying a jug of water.  It reminds me of the This Is it movie when Michael says "Water", "Water".  Some people were wondering about it.  I think it may have to do with the coming of the age of aquarius.  He seems to be the messenger for this coming age.  Also, there is a song by him called "water" but I haven't listened to it.

Also, the constellation of Orion and the star Sirius has come up a lot during this hoax experience.  I don't know why.  Sirius is the bright star Jesus and others were born under on December 25.  It seems important.

Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on October 22, 2011, 02:54:08 PM
It is interesting that the "Jesus" story is pretty much the same as the story of "Horus" and all the other "anointed ones" throughout the ages.  Maybe it's the same story written over and over ?????  [...]
Maybe yes... maybe the History REPEATS over and over...

The video talks about how it has to do with worshipping the sun and studying astrology etc.  I've also seen videos where they talk about the Egyptians doing a lot more than just worshipping the sun.  They get information from the light and even use light as a machine for resurrection and revival.  That's why they built the pyramids.  They had superior technology probably from places far away from earth.  Their knowledge is tied to astrology and maybe even alien visitors.    There is a lot more to this story. 
[...]
Yes! there's still a mystery of how the Egyptians knew so much then in those times and we, not even in this "modern era" haven't yet reached their level of knowledge!


[...]
Also, I heard him say in the video that the age of aquarius is called the age of water.  The symbol is a man carrying a jug of water.  It reminds me of the This Is it movie when Michael says "Water", "Water".  Some people were wondering about it.  I think it may have to do with the coming of the age of aquarius.  He seems to be the messenger for this coming age.  Also, there is a song by him called "water" but I haven't listened to it.

Also, the constellation of Orion and the star Sirius has come up a lot during this hoax experience.  I don't know why.  Sirius is the bright star Jesus and others were born under on December 25.  It seems important.
Sirius an ORION [Elvis]....

Regarding what the video said and your comments on the Aquarian age and Michael's repeating "water...water..." in "This Is It", I thought it may interest you to see these 2 pages from a book that Elvis was reading...with his marks/annotations on it... I'm not very sure but I think it's "The Prophet"...

(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/923/26179220562670187951608.jpg)

(http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/7985/26884820562696988621608.jpg)
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on October 22, 2011, 05:56:45 PM
Thankyou SimpattyK.  Yes, I thought those passages from the book were interesting.  When you think about it women have been improving their position in the world even during the last 40-50 years.  It is also starting to get a little better in the Middle East for women.    They also talked about the planets Neptune and Uranus having the most influence on peoples minds (according to occult studies).     That seems interesting.   

Everything is connected so other planets rotations have an effect on the universe and earth too.  So on December 21, 2012 at 11:11 a.m. the earth should be lined up with the center of the milky way.  All the planets will also be lined up, so we are in position to get a lot of photon energy.   Everything is getting warmer and spinning at higher speeds.  This will cause us to be thinking at higher levels.    I heard about it changing carbon and DNA.  Will we go up to the next step in evolution ?   They say humans are getting smarter and IQ levels are going up.  These may also be the indigo or crystal children ???      I don't know but it is getting pretty interesting because current events, biology and chemistry and science, and history and bible events and prophecies seem to be coming together and there have been many connections lately.   Are you finding the same thing ?    I don't have anyone to talk to where I am.    They think I have gone crazy !        Peace         bearhug
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on October 23, 2011, 07:56:36 AM
Today I'm in a musical mood....


This is for you my sweet @DontWalkAway I love you and your posts! (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Amour/coeurs-couleurs.gif) and yes, don't worry i'm on "the same page" as you, at least regarding this subject ^^ ;)
Blessings! (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Anges_et_d%E9mons/0067.gif)

biggg KISSSSSSSSSS (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Amour/0009.gif)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmVpyxaAZHg&feature=related[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bj-M-iUgS0&feature=related[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=StZGFG0jDbA[/youtube]
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on October 23, 2011, 08:18:54 AM
(http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/204/15707105468696164679100.jpg)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qc-G5oouzU[/youtube]

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enRDIY53apc&feature=related[/youtube]

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(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6753/20063919786817357067019.jpg)
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on October 23, 2011, 10:40:15 AM
As I said in my previous post ^^ I believe that Lady Diana might still be alive ..let's say 50% chances from what I could find out until now...
I don't know if these sources are credible or not, but I wouldn't dismiss anything yet!

(http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/108/dianahoaxtabloids.jpg)

(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/7784/dianahoaxtabloids002.jpg)

Some other eerie connections!

(http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/2720/mjhoaxxfilesladydiana.jpg)
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on October 23, 2011, 01:48:48 PM
Great Videos SimPattyK !   I Love You Too !!!!!  You've been so nice to share everything.  Now you have me wondering about the song Dirty Diana on the Bad Album.  That is interesting that the song was released exactly 10 years before she died in the car crash.  Do you think there is a possibility that her death was staged  ??????        Also there is Diana, Egyptian or Greek God of the moon.  The statue of liberty is a statue of this god.  I saw this on one of the videos on youtube.  Is he talking about liberty in this song or the whole illusion of liberty and freedom ??
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on October 23, 2011, 02:40:19 PM
The Last Supper ~ The Moon & The JUPITER Finger

Here are some of my first findings that connect Michael & Elvis to religious matters ...  and also ART

(http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/9259/mjelvisthelastsupper02.jpg)
(http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/4552/mjelvisthelastsupper03.jpg)

Some close-ups so that you can read better:
(http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/984/image12z.jpg)(http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/1029/image13og.jpg)

(http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/1700/mjelvisjupiterfinger.jpg)

The article telling us about LaToya's "hurting" JUPITER finger!! loll I just love LaToya!! She dropped the most significant clues in the hoax!! Jermaine too, but LaToya rocksssssssss ! ;)
LaToya Jackson Released From Hospital - http://icydk.com/2011/09/01/latoya-jackson-released-from-hospital/

Coincidence or not, Elvis had also broken his finger at some point... LMAO :lol: :lol:
here's an excerpt from the article that you can read in a whole on this link: http://www.elvispresleymusic.com.au/elvis_presley_1960_1966.html
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October 16, 1960 - Elvis breaks his finger playing touch football at Graceland. Elvis was first treated first at Campbell Clinic, where doctors decided to transfer him to the hospital because they didn't have enough space to accommodate the anticipated large number of visitors. His touch football teammates and Anita Wood, disk jockey and Elvis' frequent companion when he is in Memphis, accompanied him to the hospital.
[. . . . . ]
(http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/830/image15uh.jpg)
Other connections regarding everything I had posted a month ago ^^ The Jupiter finger ....the E.T.... and some more...
Sorry for the "cut-aspect"... I had to "split" my montage into half , otherwise you wouldn't be able to read all that!


(http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/1905/mjhoaxetliz002.jpg)


(http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/7158/mjhoaxetliz003.jpg)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4qor0VBjcg[/youtube]
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on October 23, 2011, 07:30:37 PM
SimPattyK thank you for all your pictures.  I still don't understand why the Jupiter finger, or the rainbow or the moon is important although I am really trying to.    I know the theme of space and the moon and the milky way and stars has come up a lot in songs, videos and art of MJ.  Also space suits and space ships.   I am confused about what he is actually trying to say.  I know he also worked on songs for E.T.     Dante Jackson (nephew) gave clues about aliens and ufo's.    Also, Brandon Howard (friend of the family) said his goal was to perform on the moon !!!!!!

Some theories:

1.  They know the truth about aliens, E.T.'s  and may be working with the government ????  Maybe helping with the disclosure project or disclosure to the public.
2.  Maybe he can channel them ???  Like some people say they can get messages from E.T.'s like the Pleidians.
3.  Maybe they were visited or abducted and they know information we don't
4.  Maybe they know when or if E.T's or aliens are coming.  Maybe they already landed or are flying around and we can't see them.  There were a lot of UFO's spotted over London last summer, 2011.   I hope they can come.  We need help !!!!!!
5.  Maybe they know some aliens.  I've wondered about Chris Angel ?!?!
6.  Some are saying that angels are alien's or E.T.'s,   maybe they are like light beings ???????
7.  Some people are saying that Jesus was a time traveler from another star or planet ???????
8.  I've heard a person could be half alien because the DNA code in the light or the light body is sent down.  That is how you can get immaculate conception like in the Jesus story and other stories.  Is MJ half alien like Jesus Christ might have been ?!?!? 
9.  Maybe he already has all 12 strands of DNA working or had DNA repair somehow.  So I heard humans were supposed to have 12 but we were manipulated so we only have two right now ??????    And Chris Brown did a song about 12 strands !!!!!!
10.  So were all part alien because the aliens landed here thousands of years ago ????? Is there an evil reptile race ?  (The bloodline of the Illuminati ????)   So maybe he is one of the good ones like the Pleidians????
I saw Michael Jackson and Janet Jackson's names on a Pleidian website last winter but so were a lot of other people and celebrities ?  People channel the Pleidians.  They are from another star and they are waiting to help earth evolve  ????????    They are more evolved humans.
11.  Maybe the aliens, E.T.'s have been living here all along but we just didn't know it.  Supposedly the "greys" are working for the government underground ?????    The reptilians we can't see because they live in the four dimension ??????   Unless they become hybrid like half human.  I really don't understand how this would work.  Did you ever listen to David Icke.  He talks about all this stuff.

This is all so confusing and it is hard to determine the truth and how to find the truth.  Any ideas ???
Right now I am thinking the most about theories 8 and 9.  Light codes, light bodies and DNA and also carbon changing.

I don't know but I feel that MJ is following God's message so that is what is really the most important.    How it works is beyond my comprehension right now.   Peace and Love.         :-*         bearhug




Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on October 24, 2011, 03:00:49 PM
Wow @Don'tWalkAway  /bravo/ I love your last 2 messages and I owe you an answer...
Even if I don't reply soon, don't worry I will! eventually!
Let me 'process" all your theories and questions... and I'll try to answer as best as I can lol I hope others will get involved in our discussion too... we need help... some "branstorming" here loll

I don't' have the answer to everything and I don't have the certainty that my answers are correct , at least not all of them... but I do have the hope that my intuition and my feelings lead me towards the good path of enlightenment even if there are still so many shadows on the way and I can't see everything perfectly clear yet.

For instance, I'm just like you (regarding the Jupiter finger, the moon, the stars, the milky way, the E.T.) I am confused!! - but I can see clearly that there is a connection between them all in relation to both MJ and Elvis!
What is the message they are trying to give us?
What are they guiding us to?

I don't know.... I have some ideas, but not sure of them yet, but I am certain of something: the finger that they all show in so many photos, even LaToya's article in TMZ about her finger, everything points to some clues still undiscovered!!
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on October 24, 2011, 03:54:56 PM
[...] 

Everything is connected so other planets rotations have an effect on the universe and earth too.  So on December 21, 2012 at 11:11 a.m. the earth should be lined up with the center of the milky way.  All the planets will also be lined up, so we are in position to get a lot of photon energy.   Everything is getting warmer and spinning at higher speeds.  This will cause us to be thinking at higher levels.   

[...]
As I said I will try to answer to all the subject that you've touched so far, at least in all your messages from this current page.

@Dontwalkaway: I must tell you, you have a pretty interesting way of saying BIG things but under a questioning-form! I think you are a very CLEVER person! I don't know you but from this topic and a few other interactions we've had on other topics, but I like you so much! I love how you think and how you discuss such important and delicate matters as these! And as you said, I rarely {if never} find someone I can talk to about stuff like that!! As you say they all think I am crazy! and they either politely turn the subject away or they tell me bluntly "cut the crap!" lolll  :lol: :lol:


(http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/7166/image1go.jpg)

So...... since you mentioned the lining-up of the planets and December 21st, 2012.

^^This is a screen-shot I made some months ago from a youtube video! A very interesting video which left me with the idea that Michael may return either in December 2012 or even in the beginning of 2013. Just watch this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDBoDWKPyio [/youtube]

("Michael's message- Another part of me")

^^This idea outraged many believers I've talked with at that time on facebook loll because they were still hoping for a BAM in July 2011. Others expect a BAM at the end of Conrad Murray's Trial. I don't know what to think... But I keep remembering Michael's words in "This is it": "We've got 4 years to get this right or it's irreversible" - So I really feel that the BAM will be somewhere towards the end of 2012.

Recap: Start of 2009 + "4 years to get it right" = End of 2012 (
- the 911 ambulance call was made at 12:21 - that hints directly to December 21st 2012 - the Mayan date for the end of the world as we know it!)
- So ... the Beginning of a new World (as described in this video "MJ's message - Another part of me") will be in 2013 - that is the year when probably Michael will feel more secure to show up! IF the world is ready for that...
IF not, I guess we'll just have to wait longer ...

This video ^^ it goes hand in hand with this other video:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naVL76fA49g[/youtube]

- So as we know, according to the Mayan calendar, on December 21st 2012 there will be a very rare and perfect alignment of the Planets (remember MJ's lyrics: "The Planets are lining up / Waiting for you / You're just another Part of me!")
- It is said that there will be be a major energy-shift due to this alignment, around the entire Earth! And the way people will be able to use that energy will be decisive for how things will continue here on Earth!
- The Illuminati will try to make a negative shift of that energy in order for them to accomplish their goal of total control over the Planet!
- Michael, our archangel and forces of good are trying to awaken us spiritually so that we use that energy in a positive way for our good and the well being of Earth! That's why he says in "This is it" : "We have 4 years to make this right or else it's irreversible!!"
- Remember the video extracted from Michael's movie "Captain EO"? ----)) We are here to Change the World - everything is about an "energy war" between the forces of good: Michael & his soldiers of love (in the video below) VERSUS the forces of evil: the Black Queen (symbolizing the Illuminati/Masons/Satanists);
- I think that this video below is prophetic as many of Michael's lyrics of his wonderful songs!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuRL4N5d0w&feature=related[/youtube]

I watched some of the videos with minister Louis Farrakhan speaking about Michael! OMG! This man is extraordinary on many other stringent issues of our present! You just need to research about him on youtube...and you'll find many interesting lectures and conferences given by him.
Here's the complete lecture from where the video I gave above ^^, was extracted. That lecture is called "Michael Jackson Crucifixion" and it's amazing! I recommend you to watch it entirely!
It has many parts, but it is just towards part 7 that he really starts making his point about Michael, the beginning parts are just a very interesting introduction for what comes in the end about Michael as the Jesus of our ERA! very powerful thoughts! I love it!

here is part 1
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzN3kR9Bo2w&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL[/youtube]
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on October 24, 2011, 06:43:09 PM
Thanks SimPattyK for all the videos.  I really love Jackieblue64.  I've seen some of them by Rev. Farrahkan but not all of them.  I will watch them when I get a chance.  I agree with him.  To me, michael is like the christ or an angel of this time.I don't even want to guess about the BAM because I have no idea except that it won't be after 2013 starts according to TS or someone like that.     December 21, 2012 makes sense because that is when the age of aquarius starts and 2/21 has been used during this hoax.    I think that maybe he has to do it slowly just like things have been going.  Slowly give information out every seven days and letting it "simmer" or something like that.    Maybe he has to start now because it is going to take a very long time if you do it bit by tiny bit ?    Just guessing.  Thanks for calling me clever.  There are just a lot of questions going around in my head.  I'm trying to figure out the "truth" that was hidden from humanity that Jackieblue64 keeps referring to.  She also says something like the truths will be unveiled etc.   Michael has been trying to give messages about it for a long time.  I guess we have to figure things out bit by bit on our own so that we will learn and also believe it.    You can't just say things like "I am an archangel and I'm going to show you the way to peace on earth and heaven on earth" and expect everyone to believe you !!!!!   They might think you are nuts or something, right ??   

Peace and Love        bearhug        albino/ :-*     
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on October 28, 2011, 05:42:38 PM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zLhK4xn9k4&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]


http://www.reflectionsonthedance.com/His-Faith.html
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on October 28, 2011, 07:21:53 PM
Thanks for the video SimPattyK.  I've seen most of the videos from THEKINGdom52 but that one is really nice.    That is such a sweet story about the bird.  Did you ever notice that THEKING is capitalized ?   Does that mean that this is THE KING ??????   THEKINGdom52 was written on the red banner under the pumpkin in court.  He/she must be important.   Another thing that makes you go hmmmmmmmmmm.........???????.    Maybe we'll never know ??????  but I think we will !!!!!!???????

Peace and Love     bearhug        :-*




Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: mjj4ever777 on October 28, 2011, 10:46:19 PM
I don't know how I missed this thread, but I'm so glad I found it!!! SimPattyK, your research astounds me and warms my heart! God Bless You!

You have connected so many of the dots, with great precision! /bravo/

I hope that more members read these posts and watch all of the videos that you have provided, because I firmly believe that this is the path everyone should be focusing on!!

Awareness, Awakening, and L.O.V.E ( Law Of Vibrational Energy)... We are the ones that can change the world, and Michael is leading the way for those who have awakened to the Truth!

I have to go right now, but I am with you guys 100%...There are NO "Coincidences" and this "New Age", the age where we are restored to our true potentials, IS coming, and we have been so blessed to be a part of HIStory...with Michael leading the way!!

Blessings Love and Light to you all!!!  We are all ONE with the universe...We are LOVE!!!!
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on October 29, 2011, 07:38:50 PM
@mjj4ever777: ohh you made me so happy with your comment! first because you appreciate what I posted here and second because you also feel and think the same way.
And as you said, it would be so nice if more people would read this topic and participate...as we are in the search for answers here... There are still so many unanswered questions and mysteries as to what the real purpose of this hoax is and what are the true roles of Elvis & Michael on this planet!
This is a very delicate subject.... especially because it touches God, faith, religion, personal beliefs and also because there are some things that need to be discussed at another level than just normal conversations... it's the spiritual...magical... paranormal level I'm talking about... the one that can also explain the why and the how of all these amazing "coincidences", part of which are obviously intentional, planned, but there so many 'destined" coincidences so to speak...there's a higher force up there ...influencing everything.... And this is why when you want to talk about stuff like that you risk being judged, labelled or called a fool, a nutcase, a bizarre / freaky individual!
But I've come to the phase where I really don't care anymore... I am just happy when I find people like you guys, to whom I can speak about these things and who understand me and are able to come up with their own opinions and findings!


@don'tWalAway: I always loved the videos from this youtube channel THEKINGdom52... But some months ago I stopped trying to see which youtube/facebook/forum/twitter user might be Michael, because there was a period with so many fakers and posers! that totally left me with a bitter taste for this. Some of these fakers were good at making videos too, they gave good infos, but in the end they turned out to be just fakers! So ever since I decided to just enjoy the videos that i find, take the good part from everywhere , without questioning myself whether it comes form Michael, from his family or from one of his team or just a simple believer/investigator like me.
I think that when Michael wants to send messages to us, the believers, he uses either TMZ, LaToya's or Paris' twitter, Jermaine's "slip-ups" ... I really doubt he makes youtube videos for us... or that he himself posts them...maybe he delegates either his employees or some fans that he's been collaborating with for this project, maybe even from before June 25th 2009! everything's possible...
There are still some of your interesting messages, above here ^^, @don'tWalAway: that I need to answer... As soon as I can , I will! I just need time... I have so many on my head lately....

kissssssssssss & hugssssss to you both ^^  bearhug bearhug
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: PureLove on October 29, 2011, 08:37:01 PM
I don't think that MJ & Elvis are angelic humans.
As i said in my previous posts here ^^ I believe they are angels [call them prophets/divine spirits/how you like] sent by God on Earth with a specific purpose: spread LOVE and re-activate the angelic side in humans! remind us who we really are and what we are supposed to stand for!

I do believe that there are special human beings sent by God to show the right direction to humanity. Call them what you want; an angel, angelic human, prophet ... So I totally agree with you Sim and I believe that Michael is one of them.

Thank you for all the research Sim.
  bearhug
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: mjj4ever777 on October 30, 2011, 01:37:27 AM
Hello again family. I just wanted to say a couple of things here, because I think you guys will understand where I'm coming from. First, the fact that I am here, on a Michael Jackson hoax site, tells me that "something" is going on right now, that the majority of humanity can't comprehend. I wasn't a "Fan" and didn't really know much about Michael Jackson before June 25th 2009, so I didn't go "looking" for a conspiracy about the "death" of him.
 I firmly believe, and so does my husband, that Michael "chose" us, and brought us here to this forum. I don't care what anyone thinks about that, because "things" have been happening to my husband and I, that can't be explained in any other way then, somehow Michael has "tapped" into our consciousness and "woke" us from our slumber...Michael has already said that God has planted "seeds" inside of certain people, himself included, and I believe that Michael was chosen to awaken humanity to let us know that "we" are the ones who can change the world back to Love and rid it of the evil.

@ Sim...Your beautiful montages have already shown how 911 was sublimily, fed to us through the  media for years before it happened, which shows us that our consciousness can be tapped into so that we act in a certain way to create that "reality", therefore, it only makes sense that if we all put our minds on the path of Love, that we can "consciously" "Change The World", back to where we are harmonious with the planet once again.

Captain E.O tells us of what is to come "loud and clear" in my opinion, though most just see it as a "movie" so to speak, but in reality Michael is telling us that the planets are lining up...2012, they're bringing "Brighter days"...Love conquers Evil and that We are here to change the world..."We" really have the power to do this, and I am hoping that after the trial is over and Michael hasn't "Bammed" yet, that more people will start looking into other "layers" in this hoax.

We truly are Michael's "Army Of Love" and I think that this army needs to be put into "action" really soon. Somehow we need to help others see that we need to unite as one and Believe in ourselves enough to see that we have this special power, called LOVE and it is time to show Michael that we understand our role in this whole "Adventure". This is difficult though, as it is not their fault that they don't understand yet, as many are still being controlled by the "Media" part of this hoax, they still live through their "egos" and not throught their "sacred Hearts", so we have to be patient and kind to them, but at the same time, we need to "teach" them or help guide them down the right "path".

I want to suggest that we make a separate thread after the trial, as I think that the title of this thread may be "off putting" to some, and therefore that might be why this important subject is not getting the traffic it deserves...what do you guys think about that?

You know, the only thing I've really been passionate about in my life is LOVE, and I didn't know why, until Michael brought me into this hoax, and now I understand that my strong belief in LOVE was for a reason...to help others believe in the power of LOVE!
When I first met my husband, he didn't believe in LOVE, he said he loved me, but I didn't "feel" his LOVE...Today 15 years later, I can tell you that I am the most LOVED wife on the Planet, because I taught my husband about LOVE and how if you truly believe in it and Live it every day, you become LOVE...We now have a LOVE so strong, that there is nothing that could ever break it, and it changes your life forever!

 The other night my husband and I were lying in bed talking about LOVE, like we often do, wondering if there is any other couple out there that feel like we do, because it is so rare, and all of a sudden my husband looked into my eyes and said "Kitty, I have to tell you something, I LOVE Michael, the way that I LOVE You" and my heart just burst with happiness, because it was at that moment that I knew that  he truly understood what LOVE, in it's purest form, really is. My husband is an athlete, a "manly" man, but he has finally reached a level of LOVE, that doesn't involve "ego" and that my friends, is the kind of LOVE that we were ALL destined to acheive!



Michael is "special". He has the power to make each one of us feel like he truly Loves us, each as an individual. He Believes in us and now it is time for each of us to Believe in ourselves and live our lives with positivity and LOVE! Michael told us to study the "Greats" and become "Greater"... Well my husband and I have taken to that task, and we have studied  the "GREATEST"...Michael Jackson...and we  received the education our lives! We may not have known much about The King of Pop before June 25th 2009, but we certainly know Michael Jackson, the "Man", now! Michael is "family", he is our Brother, and our LOVE and dedication to him will be for all of eternity!

Michael is LOVE in it's purest form...and after 2+years of watching and listening to every word that Michael has said in his speeches, lyrics, poetry, videos, ...anything that comes directly from Michael's mouth, my husband and I are certain that Michael is at the "Helm" of something so life changing that, most of the world isn't going to know what hit them!! They asked for a Bam, but are they prepared for a BAM of this proportion??

Well I will close for tonight, but I look forward to continuing this conversation with all of you! "Keep The Faith" dear family...I have no doubt that we are on the right path here!

I LOVE you all so very much...there are so many beautiful souls here on this forum and I am honored to be on this journey with all of you...This Is It and it is all for "L.O.V.E"...never doubt that!

Michael, my brother...you know I LOVE you most!!! "Heart" To "Heart" and "Mind" To "Mind", Always and Forever! <3
 bearhug
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: MJonmind on October 30, 2011, 04:08:16 AM
Beautiful post mjj4ever777!  It's sad to me that there are not more men on this forum, who recognize the special greatness of MJ.  There are lots of causes and famous people, etc. that men follow in droves, but this puzzles me. What's wrong with their eyes and hearts?

What I like very much about you Dontwalkaway, is that you like to explore a lot of interesting possibilities without judging, condemning, ridiculing or also being arrogant, overly confident , singly focused, and coming across that yours is the only way or you found the final truth.  I too really like to explore freely all ideas, but without saying that one single way holds all the answers, because it probably doesn’t.

SimPattyK, you already know I love you and your work!  Just keep on doing your thang!
For over a year now I’ve also been convinced that BAM will be Dec. 21, 2012.   And TS promised it would happen before 2013 or he’s an imposter.
It’s also occurred to me that as Jesus was in the grave 3 days, so Michael will be in the grave 3 and a half years so to speak.

I was always intrigued by the statement by Liza Minelli, that when the autopsy report comes out, that “all hell would break loose”!  But nothing came of that however.  Did she know something about Michael the rest of the world didn’t?  Front said that, “Exhibit B would rock the trial, Lightman spinning all the while”.  Wouldn’t it be crazy if it was shown that MJ’s “B” for blood was indeed not normal blood in some tiny way?  Sorry for talking crazy talk!

I just wanted to share with you a little about this interesting movie I watched a few years ago that intrigued me.  Pretty much all takes place in a livingroom (low budget :lol:), but it is about a time traveller, whose travels include being Jesus and other famous people.  He never (can't)  dies, so he has to kind of duck in and out of people's lives so he's not discovered. I loved it!  Here's the trailer.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z9WFruP1wA[/youtube]

Quote
The Man from Earth
The Man from Earth is a 2007 science fiction film written by Jerome Bixby and directed by Richard Schenkman. The film stars David Lee Smith as John Oldman, the protagonist of the story. The screenplay for this movie was conceived by Jerome Bixby in the early 1960s and was completed on his death bed in April 1998, making it his final piece of work.[2] The movie gained recognition in part for being widely distributed through Internet peer-to-peer networks and its producer publicly thanked users of these networks for this.
The plot focuses on John Oldman, a departing university professor who claims to be a Cro-Magnon (or Magdalenian caveman) who has somehow survived for over 14,000 years. The only setting is in and around Oldman's house during his farewell party, with the plot advancing through intellectual arguments between Oldman and his fellow faculty.

 Plot
The movie begins with Professor John Oldman (David Lee Smith) packing his belongings onto his truck, preparing to move to a new home. His colleagues show up to give him an impromptu farewell party: Harry (John Billingsley), a biologist; Edith (Ellen Crawford), a fellow professor and devout Christian; Dan (Tony Todd), an anthropologist; Sandy (Annika Peterson), a historian who is in love with John; Dr. Will Gruber (Richard Riehle), a psychiatrist; Art (William Katt), an archaeologist; and his student Linda (Alexis Thorpe).
As John's colleagues continue to pressure him for the reason for his departure, John slowly, and somewhat reluctantly, reveals that he is a prehistoric "caveman" who has survived for more than 14,000 years. His colleagues refuse to believe his story. John continues his tale, stating that he was once a Sumerian for 2000 years, then a Babylonian under Hammurabi, then a disciple of Gautama Buddha. He claims to have known Christopher Columbus, Van Gogh, and other famous historical figures.
During the course of the conversation, John's colleagues question his story according to their specialties. For instance, Harry, the biologist, discusses the possibility of a human living for so long. Art, the archaeologist, questions John about events in prehistory; he exclaims that John's answers, though correct, could have come from any textbook.
The discussion turns to the topic of religion. John mentions that he is not a follower of a particular religion; though he does not necessarily believe in an omnipotent God, he does not discount the possibility of such a being's existence. John then reluctantly reveals that he was the inspiration for the Jesus story and "the one called Jesus", which leaves members of his audience, especially Edith, aghast and angry. Out of his hearing, they begin to talk about the possibility of John being mentally ill or high on drugs.
After this shocking revelation, emotions in the room run high. Edith begins crying, and Gruber sternly demands that John end his tale and give closure by admitting it was all a hoax, threatening him with the possibility of locking him up for observation. John apologizes to everyone and tells them that it was all just a story.
John's friends begin to leave. John apologizes to Harry and Edith, while Art and Linda depart without many parting words. When it is Dan's turn to say goodbye, his words hint that he believes John's story. After everyone but Dr. Gruber and Sandy has left, Dr. Gruber overhears John and Sandy's conversation, which suggests that the story was true after all. John mentions some of the pun pseudonyms he had used over the years, such as John Paley (as in Paleolithic) and John Savage. He also mentions another pseudonym, used over sixty years ago while a chemistry professor at Harvard: John Thomas Partee (as in John T. Party of Boston). This was the name of Gruber's father; upon hearing this, Gruber, shocked and over-excited at the sight of his ageless father, suffers a heart attack and dies. After Gruber's body is taken away, Sandy notes that John seems especially struck by his death. She realizes that it is the first time he has seen his grown child die. John wordlessly gets in his truck and drives away, as though to leave forever. Then he stops and looks at Sandy, apparently deciding to spend some time with her. The movie ends with Sandy getting into the truck.
[edit] Production
The story is Jerome Bixby's last work, which he completed on his deathbed in April 1998. Bixby dictated the last of his screenplay to his son, screenwriter Emerson Bixby. After Jerome Bixby's death the script was given to Richard Schenkman to direct on a $200,000 budget.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_from_Earth









Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on October 30, 2011, 12:56:51 PM
MJJ4ever777 thank you for the beautiful post.  I feel the same way.  It's amazing how we love Michael so much and also that we are showing so much love to each other.    If we can do it then everyone else can too !!!!.   

Yes, MJonMind I like to explore different ideas, and theories and possibilities.  Lately I have been thinking about the constellation Orion because of the pictures from SimPattyk.    I think that the ancient Egyptians knew about the importance of these stars because the pyramids were perfectly lined up to receive light from them.  They weren't just praying to the sun, they might have been getting information from the light.    The pyramids were not just tombs but resurrection/revival places.  Also in other videos I've seen other temples, structures built to receive this light.  Major holy sites, buildings, temples etc. are built along this energy grid or pattern.  Ancient people knew how to use this energy.    Also, didn't the three wise men find Jesus when he was born by following a star ?  Wasn't it Sirius, a star from the constellation Orion.     

Also, on many of the photos given by SimPattyK and others there are monkeys.  Photos of monkeys.  Michael had a pet chimp "bubbles".  Also there is a statue of him and a monkey.  Elvis with monkeys too ?????    Also, I've the word mon-key and there are drawings of keys ????   Also there is a monkey with a crown on the cover of the Dangerous album.  What does all this mean ?????   What do you think ????

There is the 1000th monkey theory about collective consciousness.  When a certain number of monkeys learn how to do something it transfers to the rest of them.  So when a certain number of people know something it will transfer to the rest of them ??????

Also, on a Youtube video someone wrote that they thought Michael was saying that humans were not evolved totally from monkeys ???  There are theories that we have ancestors from different planets and they could be the survivors of ancient civilizations like Atlantis etc.   I don't know,  these are just things I've seen and read.       
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on October 30, 2011, 01:21:43 PM
Also, I forgot to say that the video for the song "You are not alone"  has scenes from the lost civization of Atlantis.  The scene with him and Lisa   laying between the columns.  So I was thinking that the song has multiple meanings like most of Michael's songs do. 

"You are not alone" can also mean that "we are not alone on the planet or in the universe".  There are other beings on the planet or universe with us !!!!!.    That's who built Atlantis and other lost civilizations ?    We don't know what happened to them.  Some may have survived ???  Just something that makes you go "hmmmmmm..........."    I think that everything that Michael put in his videos and songs and art has a purpose.  Everything is carefully thought out.   We just have to figure it out. 

Do you know that I went everywhere looking for the Dangerous album last year ?  It wasn't because I wanted the songs because I already had most of them.   It was because I wanted to look at the art work on the cover !!!!!!

Peace and Love      :-*         penguin/                  bearhug
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on October 30, 2011, 05:28:57 PM
I just arrived on the forum... I tried earlier today, but it was impossible to access any topics... Now I understand...changes, improvements have been made! I am glad! it looks really nice ;)


WOOW Thank you all for all your posts ^^ You brought this topic to life PureLove, MJonMind, Dontwalkaway, mjj4ever777
This is one of my favorite topics here, so I am always happy to see people writing here, participating with new ideas and opinions!



Before I start reading everything and answering.... I want to post some of my montages related to what I talked on the other page of this topic , meaning: The eery connections between MJ, Elvis & Lady Diana.... there are so many similarities...I don't know which ones are planned , which are purely coincidental [by the will of God most surely!], but I continue to be amazed by what I keep finding about them all!!
If Michael represents archangel Michael, as it is said & Elvis represents King David, then  Diana must be the Goddess of the Moon! This would also explain why both MJ & Elvis were so passionate about the moon!!
Lately I started discovering many similarities like this between them and the French singer Patricia Kaas, I think I'm going crazy!! but really how could I ignore all this?? I really can't explain why and how would Patricia be involved in all this? Either they really had the same fashion-tastes or I really don't know what to believe anymore!! Just watch for yourselves and tell me what you think!

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Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on October 30, 2011, 05:38:17 PM
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Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on October 30, 2011, 06:07:55 PM
@mjj4ever777: Wow! I am impressed by your message! Especially because as you say, you were not a MJ fan before June 25th, 2009! That's impressive how he succeeds, even in "death" to magnetize people and attract them with his immense talent!
You spoke from the ehart and shared with us some intimate details of your life, that can explain so well the level where Michael managed to influence you and your family! That's again: so impressive!

For everything you said about LOVE and The Power of LOVE,
I fully agree with what you said and I dedicate to you and your husband ,
this wonderful song from "Frankie Goes to Hollywood" magically interpreted by Patricia Kaas ~ The Power of LOVE" ~

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5t7nxxRi4U[/youtube]

I love the way you see us, beLIEvers, as a group of people "chosen" by Michael to be part of his Army of LOVE, I can imagine what you said: Michael channeling his thoughts and energy to people like us, who think alike, who feel the LOVE, we are good "conductors" of this type of telepathic transfers.... I beLIEve in that too!

Before the hoax, I always wondered why Michael kept dressing as a soldier and pose for photographs with militaries, soldiers, policemen. etc... Then I noticed the same for Lady Diana, Elvis and Patricia Kaas too!!
- After June 25th 2009 I got the idea!!! Michael was sending a subliminal message, preparing us for the Army of LOVE, as he himself said, we are his "soldiers of LOVE".
- Also this whole military trick, that they all embraced both by posing and waring military clothes, can also represent a critical attitude towards the still existing wars!! and the fact that all these artists photographed themselves with soldiers and military, policemen officials, can represent their solidarity to these people who carry on with their duties, m,any of them losing their lives for the absurd and material purposes of their governments!!
- The soldier-clothes can also signify Archangel Michael!! who leads the army of Angels in the final battle against satan!

So I really beLIEve that for Elvis, MJ, Lady Diana, Patricia Kaas, the wearing of certain clothes is not just coincidental!!
The similarities are not just similar fashion-tastes!! I think they are all 4 connected to each other somehow...in some way, more or less consciously or planned, probably God works through them!!

^^ You see, this is the kind of things for which I generally am called a nutcase! by people who don't get me! loll
To be frank, 2-3 years ago I would have called myself nuts, too if I heard myself speaking like this!! lmao :) :lol:

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Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on October 30, 2011, 06:11:56 PM
Well SimPattyK.  I don't think I can be much help.  I really don't know.  Princess Diana probably had to wear certain things because she was part of the Brithish royal family.  Michael and Elvis are choosing to because maybe they are making a statement about it.  That's just my guess.  I haven't payed to much attention to Elvis.  Michael seems to do things for good reasons.  Maybe the military jackets are for the "Army of Love" ?  We should end all war.     Love.       moonwalk_/
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on October 30, 2011, 06:44:16 PM
I don't think that MJ & Elvis are angelic humans.
As i said in my previous posts here ^^ I believe they are angels [call them prophets/divine spirits/how you like] sent by God on Earth with a specific purpose: spread LOVE and re-activate the angelic side in humans! remind us who we really are and what we are supposed to stand for!
I do believe that there are special human beings sent by God to show the right direction to humanity. Call them what you want; an angel, angelic human, prophet ... So I totally agree with you Sim and I believe that Michael is one of them.
Thank you for all the research Sim.
  bearhug
Oh than God , there are other people who think like me!! loll
Thanks for sharing your thoughts PureLove!
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It's sad to me that there are not more men on this forum, who recognize the special greatness of MJ.  There are lots of causes and famous people, etc. that men follow in droves, but this puzzles me. What's wrong with their eyes and hearts?
I think that men lack what only women have: intuition!!
My ex was also totally against anything hoax-related! he either didn't SEE the obvious or he denied everything! For them practical thinking comes before anything else! they just can't think intuitively, they lack imagination... They can be very clever on many other aspects, but when it comes to stuff this^^ they are totally BLIND!! BLOCKED !!
What I like very much about you Dontwalkaway, is that you like to explore a lot of interesting possibilities without judging, condemning, ridiculing or also being arrogant, overly confident , singly focused, and coming across that yours is the only way or you found the final truth.
Thanks for pointing our so well what I also feel/think about Dontwalkaway , but maybe just didn't find the right words to express it!

SimPattyK, you already know I love you and your work!  Just keep on doing your thang!
loll Thank you so much! bearhug

I was always intrigued by the statement by Liza Minelli, that when the autopsy report comes out, that “all hell would break loose”!  But nothing came of that however.  Did she know something about Michael the rest of the world didn’t?  Front said that, “Exhibit B would rock the trial, Lightman spinning all the while”.  Wouldn’t it be crazy if it was shown that MJ’s “B” for blood was indeed not normal blood in some tiny way?  Sorry for talking crazy talk!
hummm...Interesting!! Liza definitely knows more than she shows! I think that by  “all hell would break loose!" she also ment that there will be so many questions popping out from everywhere, people confused, some shocked, beLIEvers will turn into non-belIEvers, which actually did happened whenever a piece of news or a photo related to the Autopsy appeared, there was a group of beLIEvers who stopped beLIEving! There's a chaotic perception among both beLIEver and non-beLIEvers regarding the Trial, the Autopsy, everything... so many contradictions, so many inconsistencies... fake photos, bizarre witnesses, Murray crying, Murray "dieing" lmao :)) all worse things happened! And all I can do about this is picturing Michael who says: ARE YOU SCARED YET? sticking his tongue out and popping his eyes off lmao  :lol: :lol:

MJonmind thanks for all that info regarding the film "The Man from earth"! wow! really interesting plot! especially with that religious reference to Jesus... it really got me thinking...
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on October 30, 2011, 07:23:21 PM
Lately I have been thinking about the constellation Orion because of the pictures from SimPattyk.    I think that the ancient Egyptians knew about the importance of these stars because the pyramids were perfectly lined up to receive light from them.  They weren't just praying to the sun, they might have been getting information from the light.    The pyramids were not just tombs but resurrection/revival places.  Also in other videos I've seen other temples, structures built to receive this light.  Major holy sites, buildings, temples etc. are built along this energy grid or pattern.  Ancient people knew how to use this energy.    Also, didn't the three wise men find Jesus when he was born by following a star ?  Wasn't it Sirius, a star from the constellation Orion.
I think that you really got a good point here!! ;)

Also, on many of the photos given by SimPattyK and others there are monkeys.  Photos of monkeys.  Michael had a pet chimp "bubbles".  Also there is a statue of him and a monkey.  Elvis with monkeys too ?????    Also, I've the word mon-key and there are drawings of keys ????   Also there is a monkey with a crown on the cover of the Dangerous album.  What does all this mean ?????   What do you think ????
[....]
Do you know that I went everywhere looking for the Dangerous album last year ?  It wasn't because I wanted the songs because I already had most of them.   It was because I wanted to look at the art work on the cover !!!!!!
- The Dangerous album art-work is FULL of clues!! just like "Michael" album cover! Everythin is put there for a reason! I think that the value of a work of art lies in the quantity/numbers of ideas/thoughts it can plant into the viewer's mind!! We could discuss for pages and pages just about the Dangerous album-cover! dissecting and describing every little detail, placed on that cover, into written phrases and paragraphs! The same for "Michael" cover! similarily for Nelson's art works!

Regarding my photo montages about MONKEYS in both Elvis & MJ's life!
As I said when I posted these montages... the word MONKEY can be analyzed from many points of view....
1. MON means MY in French ----) so we have MY KEY(s)
2. MONA means "female monkey" in Spanish; it also means "cute" & "doll" in Spanish
3. MONA also means MOON - which brings us back to lady Diana and the Goddess of the MOON ! ;)
4. MONA is the short form of the name Simone [I posted 3 hoax-videos about the movie "Simone" in the topic "It's only a movie" ;) ]
5. MONA from the famous DaVinci painting Mona Lisa !! We discussed earlier on this topic the connections to Leonardo DaVinci! And Mona Lisa takes my thoughts to LISA MARIE Presley ! ;) and Mary is connected to Virgin Mary [see no. 6 below]
6. MONA is also a contracted form from MADONNA [Mary!] / My Lady
7. MONA Simpson - a character from "The Simpsons" [I posted some photo montages showing the connections of "The Simpsons" to the hoax in Dr. House -topic]
8. MONA can also be a Manx name or word referring to the Isle of Man. Unlike this meaning, it is not an English version but comes from the oldest known name given to the island, Manu or Mana. Caesar actually referred to the island under this name - 'an island called Mona which lies midway across the sea separating Britain from Ireland.' [we all know what IRELAND meant to Michael and also the ISLAND connections that Ive talked about, I also posted montages about the island in the Clothes topic! ;) ]

^^ So that's pretty much all I could find/think of regarding the whole MONKEY/MONA/MOON thing!

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There is the 1000th monkey theory about collective consciousness.  When a certain number of monkeys learn how to do something it transfers to the rest of them.  So when a certain number of people know something it will transfer to the rest of them ??????
I've heard about this 1000th monkey-theory too! And I think Michael's "Army of LOVE" principle is based on this theory!! It reminds me of the 11 soldiers in "This is It" turning into 111 soldiers... basically dancing similarily, doing the same thing! just like monkeys! This also lead me to think about all those FLASH MOBS which occured immediately after Michael's "death"...with people practically imitating the dance moves they saw at other people dancing! So this is it... ;)

Also, on a Youtube video someone wrote that they thought Michael was saying that humans were not evolved totally from monkeys ???  There are theories that we have ancestors from different planets and they could be the survivors of ancient civilizations like Atlantis etc.   I don't know,  these are just things I've seen and read.
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the video for the song "You are not alone"  has scenes from the lost civization of Atlantis.  The scene with him and Lisa   laying between the columns.  So I was thinking that the song has multiple meanings like most of Michael's songs do. 

"You are not alone" can also mean that "we are not alone on the planet or in the universe".  There are other beings on the planet or universe with us !!!!!.    That's who built Atlantis and other lost civilizations ?    We don't know what happened to them.  Some may have survived ???  Just something that makes you go "hmmmmmm..........."    I think that everything that Michael put in his videos and songs and art has a purpose.  Everything is carefully thought out.   We just have to figure it out.   
Yesss! That's pretty much what I had in mind when I made this photo-montage !  Happy you noticed! ;)

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Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on October 30, 2011, 07:49:47 PM
[. . . .]
Regarding my photo montages about MONKEYS in both Elvis & MJ's life!
As I said when I posted these montages... the word MONKEY can be analyzed from many points of view....
1. MON means MY in French ----) so we have MY KEY(s)
2. MONA means "female monkey" in Spanish; it also means "cute" & "doll" in Spanish
3. MONA also means MOON - which brings us back to lady Diana and the Goddess of the MOON ! ;)
4. MONA is the short form of the name Simone [I posted 3 hoax-videos about the movie "Simone" in the topic "It's only a movie" ;) ]
5. MONA from the famous DaVinci painting Mona Lisa !! We discussed earlier on this topic the connections to Leonardo DaVinci! And Mona Lisa takes my thoughts to LISA MARIE Presley ! ;) and Mary is connected to Virgin Mary [see no. 6 below]
6. MONA is also a contracted form from MADONNA [Mary!] / My Lady

7. MONA Simpson - a character from "The Simpsons" [I posted some photo montages showing the connections of "The Simpsons" to the hoax in Dr. House -topic]
8. MONA can also be a Manx name or word referring to the Isle of Man. Unlike this meaning, it is not an English version but comes from the oldest known name given to the island, Manu or Mana. Caesar actually referred to the island under this name - 'an island called Mona which lies midway across the sea separating Britain from Ireland.' [we all know what IRELAND meant to Michael and also the ISLAND connections that Ive talked about, I also posted montages about the island in the Clothes topic! ;) ]
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Some time ago I found a site [----)) http://www.troygua.com/work/pop-hybrids/ ] where there are all sorts of art-creations showing famous people of today mixed over the images of ancient figures!
This work about Lisa Marie Presley over imposed on a Mona Lisa picture, inspired me to create the photo-montage below!


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Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on October 30, 2011, 07:58:54 PM
Interestingly enough, on the same site ^^ [----)) http://www.troygua.com/work/pop-hybrids/ ] where I found that art-wok about Lisa & Mona Lisa, there are also other art-works about..... guess who!!?


YES! Elvis and Michael!!

Michael is obviously over imposed on a King TUT picture ! ;)

And Elvis.... WOW! On a Martin Luther King pic! it's very interesting! especially because both Michael and Elvis admired him so much.
It is said that Elvis learned by heart MLK's famous "I have a dream" - speech and he rehearsed it in front of the mirror!
Well...well...The Man in the Mirror! Look at this:

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And is this also a "coincidence" ?? I don't think so!! ;)

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Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: mjj4ever777 on October 30, 2011, 08:24:20 PM
Hello family...I just came across these video's, and I really think they tell the "True Story"(TS) of Michael and how Michael has been giving us "The Signs" (TS) all along! of what has happened with Michael. Please watch  all 11 videos on this channel, they are certainly worth the time, then let me know what you think!
I will post the first 4 here for now and you can watch the rest on the youtube channel, or post the others if you see fit!
I want to thank you all for the kind words in reply to my previous post!
@Sim...Bless you for the beautiful dedication to my husband and I!!! I will be back later to write more.

I LOVE you all so very much!!
LOVE and LIGHT!
Sorry the videos are in the wrong order!
By the way...this youtube channel has some other great videos on it!!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3iZ-lDKDA8&feature=related[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HphSJbXWCV0&feature=related[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CltsUthH9w&feature=related[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_RR6VUvhP4&feature=related[/youtube]
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on November 01, 2011, 06:23:34 PM
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Sorry, but I don't believe in coincidences! ;)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiaAMnwFgfo[/youtube]



ps: mjj4ever777 - thks for the links ^^ I had seen those videos and I've been watching that youtube channel for some time... As you said, it's great! and part of those videos if not everything is true! This is my belief...
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on November 01, 2011, 08:31:12 PM
Thanks for posting the videos MJJJforever777.  I saw some of them about a year ago but that was when everything was still "fuzzy" to me.  Now everything is "crystal clear" to me and I can't understand why I didn't see these things years ago.  I have no doubt that Michael is an angel sent to us by God.  It's becoming more real every day and things are happening right before our eyes.  I have learned to pay attention, and observe and think for myself a lot more than I used to.   Love to you all.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: mjj4ever777 on November 01, 2011, 08:47:31 PM
Thanks for posting the videos MJJJforever777.  I saw some of them about a year ago but that was when everything was still "fuzzy" to me.  Now everything is "crystal clear" to me and I can't understand why I didn't see these things years ago.  I have no doubt that Michael is an angel sent to us by God.  It's becoming more real every day and things are happening right before our eyes.  I have learned to pay attention, and observe and think for myself a lot more than I used to.   Love to you all.

I also saw them before, but not in the way I see them now!! lolol/
Isn't it amazing...when you finally put the pieces of the puzzle together and then everything just "makes sense"??  2+years ago, I would never have dreamed that this is where I would be today! The fact that my husband and I have come across so many people around the world that are also feeling this "shift", so to speak, solidify that this is really happening...the "clues" are right in front of us, for those able to "see" the Light!
Blessings LOVE and LIGHT to you!
   bearhug
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on November 01, 2011, 10:44:13 PM
Love and light to you and your husband also MJJforever777.    It is "amazing" when everything just starts to make sense. 

It reminds me of the "born again christians" somewhat.   I went to one of their bookstores with a friend a few times a long time ago.   They said when the "holy spirit" hits them they will start talking in "tongues" and fall down.  Most of them were falling down and talking in different languages etc.  They were hit with the spirit and born again.  It never happened to me.  I just watched a few times and then stopped going in there unless my friend wanted me to go in with her. 

So about a year or a year and a half ago after listening to the Jackson5 and Michaels albums, and especially the Invincible album over and over and over.  And also watching videos on MichaelJackson.com and/or Youtube over and over and over.  One day I had a "Eureka" moment and everything started to make sense and I just had to find out about "angels".    I didn't fall down or start talking in "tongues" but all these different lyrics from different songs came to me.  It reminded me of those people who just start talking in a different language when they are "born again".   So I went on the internet and the bookstore and looked things up about angels.  I found videos on Youtube by a reverend or Pastor  who was talking about archangel Michael and ascension and going through stargates etc.  He was saying that he thought Michael has ascended.  After a while I saw a video about fake scenery being used at MJ's funeral.  And then I saw all the photos were from "liberian girl" and was shocked so I started watching all those death hoax videos on youtube until I found this website last winter.

Crazy story but it's all true.  I'm just glad I saw the light and I'm still learning.     LOVE     
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on November 02, 2011, 02:37:20 PM
On the same line of videos ^^ about Michael as the Archangel

this is part 2... out of the many others....


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pvfVHfttOY&feature=related[/youtube]
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on November 02, 2011, 02:45:13 PM
And this is part 1 of a series of videos ^^ about the same subject:

Michael as the Archangel / Jesus


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX5YGRfY98Q&feature=share[/youtube]
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on November 02, 2011, 07:38:46 PM
Thankyou for the videos SimPattyK.  I always like to see what you have.   The one about the girl who had the visions is very interesting because she came up with the same conclusions as some of the others.    The Bro Panic video I heard before but a very long time ago, probably the summer of 2009 or early 2010.   That was when I thought Michael really died and it seems like the pastor did too.  Maybe he figured it out too ???   Was he talking about ascending as in your soul or spirit going up to heaven ?   There is also ascending where people go up to a higher level of consciousness or a higher vibrational level.  They are less dense and take in more light.  Everything is just energy and matter is just energy at a lower or slower speed. 

My interpretation of "We have four years to get it right"  "We have to bring love back in to the world it's important", The speech Michael gave at the end of the This is It Movie. 


We have four years to bring love back into the world because the illuminati/evil in power right now want to keep us in fear.  Fear is at a low vibrational level and will keep us down or stuck in this third dimension.   We and it is up to "us" to stop them.  Don't let them use war,money,religion, racism,prejudice,terrorist attacks etc.etc. to keep us in fear and constant war.    Love is at a high vibration and will bring us all up.  If enough people catch on we will all go up and live in an age of peace.  If we let them continue in power we are stuck or doomed.   The earth is also being slowly destroyed.

So that is why we formed the Army of Love, and 11 soldiers will turn into 111 and so on.


Love
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: mjj4ever777 on November 02, 2011, 09:12:16 PM
Blessings to both of you! The earth's vibrations are changing, that is a fact. Everywhere I go online now, I see people talking about LOVE and being "Brothers" and "sisters", being ONE and living in LOVE. I see "signs" of this change happening so frequently, that I know that there are no "coincidences",... we create our own "reality", but most of us don't understand the power behind those words. We have the mental ability, as a "collective", to change our History! We as a "collective" have the ability to bring Michael's message of LOVE and healing the planet, to fruition, and Michael knows that the "new age" is going to be a "Lovevolution" ( the evolution of LOVE). He has told us that it is up to US to bring LOVE back to the planet, and he meant it!!!!!!

My husband and I spend hours and hours every day on the subject of LOVE, and what our true purpose is here on earth, and we always come back to the fact that we are all connected to "The Stars" , "Michael Jackson" and "LOVE"! Who else could be behind something of this proportion?? This change is going to rock the world, and for those of us who are "Awake" and  "Aware" ...well just know that we are honored to be on this journey with you!
 Blessings LIGHT and LOVE to all!

Goodbye, Duality.....Hello L.O.V.E!!

Michael, thank you for the "wake up"! You know I LOVE you most..."Heart" to "Heart" and "Mind" to "Mind" Always and Forever!
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on November 03, 2011, 04:17:52 PM
I am so happy to have met you girls ^^

We really Do feel/think/speak alike! on this subject!

It's such a great thing to have someone to share these things, to feel understood and to learn from!

Thank GOD!

LOVE and hugs!
 bearhug bearhug bearhug
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: mjj4ever777 on November 03, 2011, 09:12:04 PM
I am so happy to have met you girls ^^

We really Do feel/think/speak alike! on this subject!

It's such a great thing to have someone to share these things, to feel understood and to learn from!

Thank GOD!

LOVE and hugs!
 bearhug bearhug bearhug

I feel the same! I am thankful that you guys are on the same "path" with me! Sometimes I feel so "lost" here, because the hoaxy part of this seems to still have it's "hold" on the majority, and I really have a hard time comprehending, how they don't see and "feel" what we see and "feel"!! I have had way too many "coincidences" happening more and more each day, that I have NO doubt that the world is "changing" and Michael is "an extension of THE MAN!" Know what I'm sayin???

I "Feel" Michael with me, it is so real, that it's almost unbelievable, and it is SO UNBelievable that it can be nothing but Believable!!! Now how confusing was that?? lol  I have also heard Michael's voice in my ear, or head...I can't explain it but, it is like he is guiding me at times. I thank God that my husband is feeling the same, otherwise I would definitely think that I am now crazy!!! But how can I be crazy, when I believe in LOVE more then anything in the world...LOVE is the reason that Michael has brought me here to this hoax site...Nothing else makes any sense...LOVE is my only connection to Michael, therfore I feel like I have a direct connection with him...and knowing what I know now, about the power of the mind and the "Changes" that ARE happening as we speak, my final conclusion is that Michael is very, very "Special" and I am so Blessed. I see Michael as a Brother, because we are all Brothers and sisters of the universe!
Just to give you an example of the "coincidences" that have been bombarding me lately, as I am typing this, my husband is watching a show and the name is "Ressurection in Black and White"!! I mean come on!!! Everywhere I go I see "signs" that relate to Michael!!! There are just too many things to mention, but before I close for now I wanted to leave you with a little food for thought...Take a look at the palm of your hands...Look closely, the Left hand will probably be the clearest ( left is closet to the heart)...Everyone has a Giant M on their palms!! M for Michael??? Your "Life"line and your "Heart" line are the two outside lines of the M and the 2 middles lines may be faint, but they are there! My husbands M is very prominent also..Have we bore the "Mark of Michael" all along??? How is that for some "Coincidence!!"

ok, gotta run ladies....Feel free to add your experiences! I Love you  and I appreciate all of the posts. Sim...You are amazing with your montages!!
Keep spreading the LOVE girls...Michael is counting on us!
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: mjj4ever777 on November 03, 2011, 09:19:12 PM
Oh I forgot...I posted a video on the "back" thread, check it out when you get the chance. Michael has been telling us the story all along through his "work", but when I looked back at "can you Feel it" video...it was like Michael telling me that yes you guys are on the right path!!
Blessings
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on November 04, 2011, 04:04:30 PM
@mjj4ever777: I loved reading you! as always! ;) Thanks for sharing your interesting experiences... I haven't had such moments... and I looked into my palm lines... no M lines either. But I find it interesting the way you say things come/happen into life, especially with your husband being so well matching on everything! i will always say it: nothing is coincidental, everything happens for a reason!


This is one of my new montages....
There are so many ART clues/connections in both Elvis & Michael's songs, videos, writings, etc...

(http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/3382/mjlisadaybreak.jpg)
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on November 04, 2011, 05:53:44 PM
MJJ4ever777 and SimPattyK and MJonMind and others.  I am glad I have met all of you on this adventure also.  Otherwise I would be all alone with it because my family doesn't "get" it.  I think they might try to find out what I'm talking about if there was a "BAM" or something.

SimPattyK,  Thanks for posting the painting Daybreak.  That is the copy of the painting that is in the You Are Not Alone video.  That is also a copy of a structure from the lost city/civilization of Atlantis.   Some think that those people/beings were from a different star/planet and that is the only way they would have had the technology to build all the pyramids and structures etc.  Just like the Egyptian and Mayan pyramids and others around the world. 
So the song has a double meaning to me.  You Are Not Alone- meaning that we are not alone in the universe or maybe even the planet.  They came from "wherever" and built their city before it was flooded or destroyed.  Maybe there were survivors ?  Maybe they have ancestors still living here.  Maybe the theory that we are all part alien could be true ?????  Maybe they are gone but they are coming back ???

Also,  It is strange that it is called "DayBreak".  The song you were talking about on the Invincible album "Break of Dawn" keeps reminding me of the book "The Bringers of the Dawn".  It's about the Pleidian's who are human extraterrestrials from a star system called "The Pleides" and they are like evolved humans from the future.  There are messages from them on the internet and also videos, books, articles about people who met or were visited by them.  They want to help earth evolve. 
I saw a bunch of "scary" videos last night because I decided to just click on various videos on youtube.  I had the moon and Orion on my mind because of SimPattyK's montages. 
Anyway this is the video that came on "The Pleidians-Our Allies Against the Reptilians" by FreedomAndTruth4All.  I already heard about the Pleidians but they were saying some concerning things about what the "Reptilians" want to do to earth".  They were saying that thay have a "net" over earth like a force field or magnetic field controlling it.  They have stations on Mars and the moon.  Also they "eat" humans and send bodies to Orion or somewhere every 50 years.  Anyway, I don't know where this person/people received all this information except one woman said she talked to the CIA.  There is so much on the internet.    I won't just believe it without investigating and finding proof.  A couple of years ago I probably wouldn't even have read it.      That just seemed strange to me because that video came on right away and they were talking about what I was thinking about "moon" and "orion".   Also, there are videos saying that all this talk about the reptilians is coming from the illuminati/evil in power just to scare us and David Icke is part of the illuminati.    I guess, "I DON"T KNOW", but anything is possible.

Just spread LOVE because it conquers all.  We've lived with this evil/illuminati/evil blood line/corruption/reptilians or whatever they are for this long so I guess we can a little bit longer until there GONE.  Whoever/Whatever they are.

LOVE 

Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on November 04, 2011, 06:07:20 PM
SimPattyK or anyone.  SimPattyK you just seem to be able to locate a lot of photos/pictures.  Do you have any good pictures of that lacy black shirt that Michael wears during the You Are Not Alone video.  The one he wears when he is standing on the stage in the theatre.  I also so him wear the same shirt while singing that song during a concert.  I just can't see it well.  It looks like it has designs on it but I can't see what.  I have a feeling that it is an important clue.    I think he probably wore it for a reason. 

Now I have to listen to all these songs and watch all these videos again and again for the 600th billionth time.  Everyone thinks I'm nuts but you know what.  Every single time I see something else !!!!!!

Love and Peace
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on November 04, 2011, 06:12:10 PM
Thank you @ Dontwalkaway  ;)

I never researched about Pleidians nor the reptilians... I've heard people talk about them, mostly on Internet.
I don't know what to believe! true or false info!
i tend to categorize this type of info as "uselessly alarming and discrediting for the rest of the theories".
I rather not talk about this subject, especially because I never took the time to document myself about it.

For now I content to researching and learning things about stuff for which we seem to have more credible, reliable proof! There's still so much more to find out ! So I leave that info ^^ you were writing about to people who can find out more proof to sustain it.

Regarding the "You are not alone" video and the Atlantis, I  responded to you in a previous post here ^^ and also a photo-montage I had made exactly on this subject...

Have a nice weekend!
kisss & hugs  bearhug
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: mjj4ever777 on November 04, 2011, 06:39:55 PM
Hi guys...Just wanted to ask you to please keep an open mind. To truly understand, you must open your mind to the possibility that the one thing you think is furthest from the truth, just may be the TRUTH!!! Look back at Captain EO.."we" are here to change the world..Who is "WE"? Why does Michael have "Light" "LOVE" and content about the planets and the stars and spaceships in his work...go back to the beginning and look at Michael's video's and stuff and just for one moment open your mind to the possibility that Michael is foreseeing the Future. This adventure is so UNREAL, that it is all TOO REAL!

Sim...remember what Michael has told us.. The History books LIE!!!  And also the LIE becomes the TRUTH!! The world is about to be rocked by something so BIG, but please know that if you Believe in Michael's message...if you open your mind and if you truly live your life with LOVE, there is nothing to be afraid of. It truly is for LOVE and the answers to what we are searching for are right in front of our faces. The world is slowly waking up, but some of us are wide "AWAKE" and it is up to us to help the others to...lets say...EVOLVE!

I LOVE you guys...BTW... remember that Elvis was also interested in "UFO's" and "ET stuff!
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on November 04, 2011, 06:40:34 PM
SimPattyK or anyone.  SimPattyK you just seem to be able to locate a lot of photos/pictures.
^^ Facebook & Google are my best Internet friends!  :lol: :lol:

[...] Do you have any good pictures of that lacy black shirt that Michael wears during the You Are Not Alone video.  The one he wears when he is standing on the stage in the theatre.  I also so him wear the same shirt while singing that song during a concert.  I just can't see it well.  It looks like it has designs on it but I can't see what.  I have a feeling that it is an important clue.    I think he probably wore it for a reason.  [...]
OMG! You are amazing! Thanks for this info! Look at the photo-montage below. It's dedicated to you! ;) And you're right! That design looks like some signs... ancient signs? astrological signs? What are they? or maybe is it just a simple design? lol

[...]Now I have to listen to all these songs and watch all these videos again and again for the 600th billionth time.  Everyone thinks I'm nuts but you know what.  Every single time I see something else !!!!!!
You Are NOT Alone!! lmao  :lol: :lol:
It happens to me too!! I can even swear that if I start looking now at all MJ videos I will notice at least 4-5 more clues or things that i had never noticed before!! so you're not crazy!1 I really beLIEve all Michael's works are full of "implanted" clues like that, waiting for all those these years to be UNCOVERED!! or deciphered! Just another proof that this hoax has been planned for years!

(http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/3245/mjyanashirt.jpg)
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on November 04, 2011, 06:49:49 PM
I made another montage ...like a close-up...to see those signs and symbols better...
I hope someone can eventually enlighten us about this!

(http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5060/mjyanashirt002.jpg)



(http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/15/image23q.jpg)

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Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on November 04, 2011, 07:20:16 PM
I think I may have 'deciphered" some of the things on MJ's shirt... loll

(http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/1544/mjyanashirt003.jpg)
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: mjj4ever777 on November 04, 2011, 07:34:51 PM
Look to The Stars!!  NOTHING is a coincidence there is "symbolism" everywhere!
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on November 04, 2011, 08:33:05 PM
Thankyou very much SimPattyK !!  You're the best.  I thought you might have had photos.  Don't give credit to me because I still don't know what it all means.  I'm looking at clothes, colors, symbols, numbers, and shapes now because of all of you and investigating on this website.  I never payed attention to this kind of thing before.  I look at things differently now.

Do you think it is just an X on the shirt or could it be a cross ?  I'll see if I can find some of these symbols somewhere.  Maybe if I look up Atlantis ???

MJJ4ever777, I think you are right.  Everything lately leads back to stars,planets,space,milky way.  I don't know what the "We" is in the song "We are here to change the world".  I thought he meant all of us together.  But then he says "You're one of "us". 

Some guesses on who is here to change the world:

1.  All of us together
2.  The indigo, new children, crystal children, lightworkers, wayshowers ???
3.   Pleidians or other friendly E.T's, angels ????
4.  People who are enlightened, can channel and have connections to the spiritual world or repaired DNA ???

I agree with you.  All of these things that were shown for "years" is not just coincidence and not just all fantasy and entertainment.  I just don't know what is real and what is fantasy any more.  But your right.   Things are becoming true, like the lie becomes the truth !!!!!    This is like a total "mind freak" , way more than Criss Angel.

This is a real life "Thriller".  In the video "Thriller", the girl goes through the exact same thing.  First you see a couple in a car and they run out of gas and he changes into a werewolf, and then you see it's only a movie, and then they are really walking down the street, and then the zombies/monsters come out, He turns into one, she runs into the house, and guess what- IT'S NOT REAL BECAUSE IT WAS ONLY A DREAM,   but maybe "NOT", His eyes change back to zombie/monster eyes.    Things keep flipping back and forth from real to fantasy and then there's the question "Is it real ? "

Also, he says "I got to tell you something"  "I'm not like other guys" !!!!!!!!!!!!! (really ????)  Any way, I love Michael no matter what happens.  That won't change.

Also, Werewolves are enemies of vampires.  The famous legend about the vampire Dracula has something to do with the real person Drac something ( I can't remember the name).  This person was listed as being on the blood line of the illuminati.    I saw it one one of the videos about the blood lines of the illuminati.  One of the videos on youtube.  Just coincidence ???????   And people are talking about the illuminati as being reptiles or partly reptilian.  They also have pictures of dragons.  They are also saying things like they drink blood.     Why would he pick a werewolf to change into ????  Every thing seems to be well thought out and everything seems to be for a reason.  What do you think ?  I might be over reacting and over thinking.

Peace and Love     



Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: mjj4ever777 on November 04, 2011, 09:38:38 PM
Don'twalkaway...I think you are definitely on the right path! Humanity's "FEAR" has created all of these "Boogey men" as a way to control us! If we BELIEVE what the evil forces are telling us to believe then you yourself are creating that reality!!!! Once you understand that , you can then see how if you consciously change your thought patterns and think positive thoughts, thoughts of  LOVE, then that is what you will create!! In order to make that change you have to really do it!!

This whole concept is hard for many to grasp, but when you do...HOLD ON TIGHT...be prepared to be blown away. The pieces just fall into place until nothing else makes sense!

This trial is just one part to this, but it is an important part. Look how the world is watching and  talking about Michael right now . In the end Michael is going to be able to prove how easy it really is to control your MIND!!! Everyone, well most of the world thinks that Michael is dead. Why? because they believed what they were told!! POINT BLANK... no questions asked! That is control.  Most of humanity is under mind control by the dark forces, but there are others, like myself, who have been awakened. I believe that we are meant to be loving beings and somewhere along the line we lost our true selves. Now it is time for all of us to reclaim the life that we were meant to live. We need to search within ourselves for "TRUTH". It is our "Time To Shine"!
This is all one big lesson for humanity. We have to be strong for what is to come. When the truth is fully revealed, the world is going to change as we know it. I do believe that we have been receiving help from others in the universe...wholeheartedly, and when that is revealed to the general public, most will be fearful, when there is nothing to be afraid of at all...If you truly believe what Michael has been telling us all along..."We need to bring LOVE back to the planet. We need to LOVE one another"  We are filled with LOVE and LIGHT energy and when you realize how powerful that really is , in a good way, then you will Believe that all of this is really happening!

Each of us is on our own journey, yet our final goal is the same the Common Bond OF...LOVE!

Keep searching until you just KNOW!!!!

I LOVE YOU ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on November 04, 2011, 10:20:29 PM
Thankyou MJJ4ever777.  I'm glad to know that you think I'm on the right track.  We can't let fear get to us.  People just don't realize how powerful love is.  They don't realize that everything is energy and everything is connected.  They don't realize how powerful we are and that we can be really powerful if we act together.    That's all we have to do and it is so simple !!!!!  We're just so used to being controlled and always thinking that things are out of your control,  BUT THEY'RE NOT.    You don't have to be a prisoner of your own mind.  It's like you have to get rid of the invisible prison.  You have to change your frequency.  "Change the frequency on your dial".   Go up to the love vibration (frequency).   I'm so happy that I'm understanding it. 

Did you ever see videos from Opentolife on youtube ?  He/she says similar things.  He/she says that he feels that Michael has been preparing us for the coming age/times for many years.   

I hope something and/or someone is coming to help save/change/heal the world !!!!!    I don't think I will be afraid because whoever/whatever is to come is probably not coming to make things worse.  I think the evil is already here.  That's just my feeling/guess.

Love and light to you also.            :-*                          bearhug

Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: mjj4ever777 on November 04, 2011, 11:27:23 PM
Thankyou MJJ4ever777.  I'm glad to know that you think I'm on the right track.  We can't let fear get to us.  People just don't realize how powerful love is.  They don't realize that everything is energy and everything is connected.  They don't realize how powerful we are and that we can be really powerful if we act together.    That's all we have to do and it is so simple !!!!!  We're just so used to being controlled and always thinking that things are out of your control,  BUT THEY'RE NOT.    You don't have to be a prisoner of your own mind.  It's like you have to get rid of the invisible prison.  You have to change your frequency.  "Change the frequency on your dial".   Go up to the love vibration (frequency).   I'm so happy that I'm understanding it. 

Did you ever see videos from Opentolife on youtube ?  He/she says similar things.  He/she says that he feels that Michael has been preparing us for the coming age/times for many years.   

I hope something and/or someone is coming to help save/change/heal the world !!!!!    I don't think I will be afraid because whoever/whatever is to come is probably not coming to make things worse.  I think the evil is already here.  That's just my feeling/guess.

Love and light to you also.            :-*                          bearhug



You are totally right! The Evil has been here for way to long! But think about this...if the evil was so "Powerful" why haven't they taken TOTAL control by now?? I mean come on...They know that there are those of us fighting for our "JUSTICE", our "God" given right,  to live in Peace, Harmony and LOVE and THEY are the ones who are really scared!! they are losing their grip on public, because we are "awakening" now! This isn't about revenge...it is about LOVE.

God created us in Innocence and to Innocence we must return!!! Michael's message is so loud and "IN MY FACE" right now, that I know that my words have true meaning and purpose.I feel Michael's heart and I feel his energy with me. He is the most Beautiful, Pure soul that has ever walked the earth during our "life"time.

The tables are about to be turned on the so-called "Powers" that be!!!  They have been for-warned of the events that will take place, in the near future,  but they aren't going to tell  the "people"..because They Don't Really Care About Us!! But mark my words, when the time is right, they will Fall. LOVE is much more powerful then any evil out there, and they know it!! God is Good not evil...The devil is evil, yet his voice isn't really that strong now is it!!! lol When you finally get it, you come to the realization that we were told to be afraid of the devil  so that our minds would be 'triggered" for control, but in reality the evil forces are just a small percentage of the BIG PICTURE! The man behind the curtain isn't so scary after all is he!!!

A part of us never completely believes in the Evil" and why is that?? It is because we are hardwired for LOVE, not hate, and our subconscious has known all along that "evil" was just "make BeLIEve" we  created  evil it in our mind, so we believed it and fed the "myth" until we believed it, but.if we can "create" evil, which is "FEAR" then we have the ability to delete just as fast as we created it!  We  are all MASTERS of our own mind" and creators of our own "destiny". We already  know how  this ends...we just can't remember it yet.

 In time our consciousness will rise  to a higher vibration.As the planet changes,... so must we...for it has already been written!...soon LOVE will be restored... BELIEVE IT!

I LOVE YOU ALL!
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on November 05, 2011, 10:09:37 AM
Great Post MJJ4ever777 !! I loved it.  You're right the evil is a small percentage and the man behind the curtain is not scary after all.  We had it in us the whole time.  It's just like when they find the wizard in the Wizard of Oz Movie.  And that movie was a big clue in this too "Follow the yellow brick Road".  Also, I read that the person who wrote the story, the orginal book, meant it to be a metaphor regarding "The Federal Reserve" and the financial system.  The original shoes in it I think were gold and not red but I don't remember exactly.  Everything fits together.   It gets more amazing every day !!!!!!!!

Love to All
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: mjj4ever777 on November 06, 2011, 01:20:25 AM
Great Post MJJ4ever777 !! I loved it.  You're right the evil is a small percentage and the man behind the curtain is not scary after all.  We had it in us the whole time.  It's just like when they find the wizard in the Wizard of Oz Movie.  And that movie was a big clue in this too "Follow the yellow brick Road".  Also, I read that the person who wrote the story, the orginal book, meant it to be a metaphor regarding "The Federal Reserve" and the financial system.  The original shoes in it I think were gold and not red but I don't remember exactly.  Everything fits together.   It gets more amazing every day !!!!!!!!

Love to All

Yes, the Wizard of OZ!!!  That movie has so much "symbolism". Also, the tin man, the lion and the scarecrow, represent "US" and the fact that most of humanity have lost their "Heart", Their "Minds(Brain)" and they have lost their "Courage" to the Powers That Be, ...this is sad!

There are so many more connections that I have come across the last couple of days and I will make a post tomorrow about what I have found. This is so much bigger then we think! I firmly believe that there are many, many more who have been working on the "Big Picture" for a long long time! The music industry has been sending "subliminal" messages of LOVE, Light,  and our connection to the stars, for a very long time, but until I decided to take a look back, I had not decoded the "real" message in so many songs!!
You are going to be amazed.

@ Sim...Thanks again for all of the videos you have been posting... I am watching them all with my husband and the one with LMP connection is awesome!!! This is getting very interesting, I wonder how long it will take for more to uncover the "Truth"...It is amazing that we have figured this out on our own, that in itself tells me that, what I feel and Know with every ounce of my being, is true...We are living a "MIRACLE"...what a Blessing!

I Love you guys and I will post my new findings tomorrow!
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on November 06, 2011, 01:22:06 PM
I see what you are saying MJJ4ever777.  This is way bigger than I first thought and there are connections in the music to light,love, and our connection to the stars.  I took your advice.  You said look to the stars. 

The stars including the sun are giving us light.  Everything is really light or energy and everything is connected by this energy.  Matter is really energy, or light particles (photons) going at a slower speed.  This material state is like an illusion because it's just temporary.  All you have to do is speed up the molecules and physical matter can turn into something else or even disappear back into light or go up to a higher frequency that we can't see.  So really every thing is like a light body and not a physical body.  The light has light codes or information according to a mathematical code or pattern like a DNA pattern.  I heard that you are a light body first and then a material body.  The light body or the light code controls the physical body.  This makes sense because when your physical body dies then your soul can go to heaven or back to the stars.  Maybe this is what is meant by "immortailty" ????  Everything is created by energy and light.  Prime Creator/God is controlling and creating this. 

This makes sense because everything happening with the sun, and stars and planets is planned and is perfectly controlled.  The stars and planets and sun are not just randomly floating around.    They might even be organized into a very high conciousness.  The beings, or energies at very high frequencies, I think are much more intelligent and evolved than us.  More than I can understand right now.  I heard about the 13,14,15 dimension from "The White Winged Consciousness of Nine" by Archangel Sandalphotron or something like that.  I can't remember the name.    It's so magnificent, more than we can imagine right now.    Do you think that who is making the crop circles ????  Or Maybe just E.T's ????

Also, I was watching videos about DNA activation and human DNA changing.  Also the half-lives of the radioactive elements on earth are changing.  It is because of the increased radiation, photon particles from the sun and solar flares.    We also have these elements in our DNA so our DNA is changing.  Also the "junk DNA" that we don't use is being activated.    Because of this radiation everything is slowly changing.    Everything is vibrating at higher and higher frequencies.  This goes along with ascension and absorbing more light and having more abilities.  I heard we have been getting waves of energy since the 90's and "The Divine Portal" is opening on 11/11/11.  We will be getting an important wave of energy.  More people will see the truth ??     

 If all our DNA is activated and bundled together than we can use it to connect with the higher dimensions.  The higher dimensions are connected together by light and light codes.  We will be connected to it also just like a fiber optic cable that can receive light information.  So we are C0NNECTED TO THE STARS JUST LIKE YOU SAID.

I'm thinking that this is what they are talking about when they say "The Christ" and "The Christ Consciousness".  These people are connected to the higher dimensions.  So, people who can do this call themselves mult-dimensional.  Michael had a mural or a painting where it says something like I am a multi-dimensional being.  I saw it last year when there were photos on you tube about items at a big auction.  Now I think a lot of those things were put there on purpose as clues. 

I got most of this from watching various videos on Youtube during this past year.  I,m just trying to put things together.  I think the fake death,fake funeral,memorial, fake trial are just to wake people up so they can learn a "new reality".   That's just how I am thinking right now.

Thanks for all your help.     LOVE       bearhug 
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on November 06, 2011, 08:28:31 PM
To make a long story short.  Everything is light and love and we are all connected.  We are all made of the same thing and we are all one.    Many spiritual leaders and singers and others have said this.  Carlos Santana did a speech at a concert where he says the same thing.  He tells everyone to say "Light" and "Love" several times. 

Peace, and love and light to you.      :-*


Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: mjj4ever777 on November 06, 2011, 09:44:09 PM
To make a long story short.  Everything is light and love and we are all connected.  We are all made of the same thing and we are all one.    Many spiritual leaders and singers and others have said this.  Carlos Santana did a speech at a concert where he says the same thing.  He tells everyone to say "Light" and "Love" several times. 

Peace, and love and light to you.      :-*




God Bless you for your BRILLIANT research!! I agree  with all you have posted!! We are definitely on the right path, I have no doubt!! because of "things" that have been happening to my husband and myself. There is just no other "logical" answer!

I LOVE the Brilliance of how this message has been "subliminally" feed to us by so so many musicians throughout the years!! Yesterday my husband and I were listening to the "Brothers" Gibb aka BEE GEES and we saw a familar pattern to the lyrics of the songs. They sound like they knew Michael/God's "Plan"  The "answer" is always LOVE!  it is all about "perception" when you look back at these LOVE songs!! Music is "vibration" WE are vibrational beings so that is why music has such an effect on us!! Music is another "key" to all of humanity receiving the "messages" of what is to come. Michael always said he couldn't take "credit" for his "work", that it came from GOD! I have no doubt about that now! Anyway...I will post just a few so you see what I mean, then I have another "coincidence" That I came across.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG9nhqjNAic&feature=related[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80vUDz9SmNY&feature=related[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEw9PVt9g7g[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ4De_RieBM&feature=related[/youtube]

I see the LIGHT!!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzypifjJSp8&feature=related[/youtube]
one last one,,, let me know if you understand the connections I'm talking about!
I grew up with these songs and now all these years later, I see them in a whole new "Light". So many Music icons were using their music to put the same "message" out there!!!

Also, the other day I noticed that we now had a "days" counter on the homepage of our forum, and 999 came to my mind. We know that part of this "life lesson" is about turning 666 to 999, so to speak. so I thought, what will be the date on the 999 day of Michael's "death" and I came up with the date March 19 2012. So I googled that day in history and found that  March 19 1953 was the first televised "Academy Awards" show. Here is the funny part. It was the 25th Oscars and was named "The Greatest Show On Earth"  The movie of the same name, won the Best Picture Oscar that year. Now I will post a short video about this winning "Movie"....I think you will see what I am talking about when you watch it...the "coincidences keep coming!!! So, I wonder what will happen on the 999th day??
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggnE9DyX0yE[/youtube]

here is the link to the IDMB page about the 2th oscars
http://www.imdb.com/event/ev0000003/1953

 /bravo/ Michael... /bravo/

Well I will close for now...Please know that you are LOVED and appreciated!
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on November 06, 2011, 10:11:33 PM
Thanks MJJ4ever777.  A clip from that movie is also on one of the hoax video websites on Youtube.  I think it could be MJHoaxevidence or MagicalXcapism but I don't know for sure.  I know I've seen it on those hoax videos.  Coincidence ??  Probably not !!!!!!!!!!!!?????????

Love      :-*       bounce/          michael-jackson/       mj_bad/          lolol/             party/
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on November 07, 2011, 09:56:01 PM
SimPattyK I have been wanting to get back to you about the symbols on the YANA shirt.  This is what they look like to me, the sun or a star, a V, a cross, and the one that looks like an anchor I don't know.
I don't think it is an anchor though.  It looks like a religious symbol.  Prince (the singer) has it all over the place and even has a purple guitar with that shape.  I am going to try to find out what it means. 

He has that guitar when he sings "Purple Rain".  What is the signficance of all this purple ?  Indigo Children ?  Does it have to do with purple light ?   He says " I only want to see you laughing in the purple rain".   Maybe the rain will wake people up ???

Love               :-* 

Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on November 10, 2011, 12:03:35 AM
^^ Girls ...I've got to catch up with a lot of your posts here.
I'll answer as soon as I can.

In the mean time, here's the continuation of what were were discussing 1-2 pages ago...

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[...]
Before the hoax, I always wondered why Michael kept dressing as a soldier and pose for photographs with militaries, soldiers, policemen. etc... Then I noticed the same for Lady Diana, Elvis and Patricia Kaas too!!
- After June 25th 2009 I got the idea!!! Michael was sending a subliminal message, preparing us for the Army of LOVE, as he himself said, we are his "soldiers of LOVE".
- Also this whole military trick, that they all embraced both by posing and waring military clothes, can also represent a critical attitude towards the still existing wars!! and the fact that all these artists photographed themselves with soldiers and military, policemen officials, can represent their solidarity to these people who carry on with their duties, m,any of them losing their lives for the absurd and material purposes of their governments!!
- The soldier-clothes can also signify Archangel Michael!! who leads the army of Angels in the final battle against satan!

So I really beLIEve that for Elvis, MJ, Lady Diana, Patricia Kaas, the wearing of certain clothes is not just coincidental!!
The similarities are not just similar fashion-tastes!! I think they are all 4 connected to each other somehow...in some way, more or less consciously or planned, probably God works through them!!

^^ You see, this is the kind of things for which I generally am called a nutcase! by people who don't get me! loll
To be frank, 2-3 years ago I would have called myself nuts, too if I heard myself speaking like this!! lmao :) :lol:

(http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/2956/4stars004.jpg)

St. Michael, the Archangel

Feastday: September 29
Patron of grocers, mariners, paratroopers, police, and sickness


The name Michael signifies "Who is like to God"
and was the war-cry of the good angels in the battle fought in heaven against satan and his followers.
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Holy Scripture describes St. Michael as "one of the chief princes," and leader of the forces of heaven in their triumph over the powers of hell. He has been especially honored and invoked as patron and protector by the Church from the time of the Apostles.

Although he is always called "the Archangel," the Greek Fathers and many others place him over all the angels - as Prince of the Seraphim. St. Michael is the patron of grocers, mariners, paratroopers, police and sickness.

from Wikipedia

Michael (Hebrew: מִיכָאֵל‎ (pronounced [ˌmixäˈʔel]), Micha'el or Mîkhā'ēl; Greek: Μιχαήλ, Mikhaḗl; Latin: Michael or Míchaël; Arabic: ميخائيل‎, Mīkhā'īl) is an archangel in Jewish, Christian, and Islamic teachings. Roman Catholics, Anglicans, and Lutherans refer to him as Saint Michael the Archangel and also simply as Saint Michael. Orthodox Christians refer to him as the Taxiarch Archangel Michael or simply Archangel Michael.

In Hebrew, Michael means "who is like God" (mi-who, ke-as or like, El-deity), which is traditionally interpreted as a rhetorical question: "Who is like God?" (which expects an answer in the negative) to imply that no one is like God. In this way, Michael is reinterpreted as a symbol of humility before God.[3]

In the Hebrew Bible Michael is mentioned three times in the Book of Daniel, once as a "great prince who stands up for the children of your people". The idea that Michael was the advocate of the Jews became so prevalent that in spite of the rabbinical prohibition against appealing to angels as intermediaries between God and his people, Michael came to occupy a certain place in the Jewish liturgy.

In the New Testament Michael leads God's armies against Satan's forces in the Book of Revelation, where during the war in heaven he defeats Satan. In the Epistle of Jude Michael is specifically referred to as an "archangel". Christian sanctuaries to Michael appeared in the 4th century, when he was first seen as a healing angel, and then over time as a protector and the leader of the army of God against the forces of evil. By the 6th century devotions to Archangel Michael were widespread both in the Eastern and Western Churches. Over time, teachings on Michael began to vary among Christian denominations.

[. . . . . ]
SOURCE - http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=308

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kSM7R5Wd0s&list=FLkC6Y4ea25ltNSLkO1ZDE-Q&index=1&feature=plpp_video[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb-M8vmNEL4&feature=autoplay&list=UL34k-BhVZTsM&lf=mfu_in_order&playnext=3[/youtube]

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_is_St_Michael_the_Archangel_the_patron_saint_of_police_officers

Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on November 10, 2011, 08:29:34 PM
I am wondering why there are videos popping up now about the details of 2005 ?   This is getting crazy but I am sure it is for a good reason !!!!  It's all for love.  Everyone will be just SHOCKED and then fight for the truth.  And then maybe there will be peace on earth. 

LOVE     bearhug
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: mjj4ever777 on November 10, 2011, 08:52:42 PM
@Sim and Dontwalkaway...I LOVE You guys so much!!!! Sim..You still amaze me everyday with your montages!! I looked into the whole Elvis thing wayyyy back and I uncovered the whole Elvis/Nixon connection...pretty crazy huh? I wonder if anyone else realizes  just how much influence the Music/entertainment industry has been involved in this whole "awakening" process over the last upteen years???LOL I see "signs" everywhere now and I wonder how I didn't see them before...I guess it was because I was still "asleep". LOL

Anyway, just wanted to check in with you and send you some LOVE!

By the way...off topic....do any of you know how to find "drafts"?? I started a post yesterday, but can't seem to find where I can retrieve it! Any help would be greatly appreciated!

keep spreading the  LOVE!!!! Talk soon
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on November 10, 2011, 09:22:01 PM
I love you too MJJ4ever777  and Sim.  I'm not sure how to retrieve drafts because I never tried it.

Love and Light             


"Heal the World, Make it a Better Place, for you and for me and the entire human race"
"There are ways to get there", if you care enough for the living"   




Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on November 23, 2011, 07:39:35 PM
I was just watching a series of videos called Spirit Science.  There is a Spirit Science video on the thread about the significance of water.  Anyway, they talk about the history of the world and how there were asended masters and beings with higher levels of consciousness who knew how to achieve immortality.  Jesus knew how to achieve this.    Some of the ancient egyptian pharoahs knew how to achieve this.  They talk about Ashkenaten who knew about this and taught people how to achieve this in 17 years.  It usually would take 100.   They knew how to connect to the higher dimensions and frequencies.

So this is the big question,  Do you think Michael is trying to tell us that he learned how to asend or even achieve immortality Just like those ascended masters or those beings who evolved to a higher level ?   I think I see the clues such as "The Immortal World Tour", The Believe Cirque de Soleil poster where there is someone levitating or rising behind the curtain, all the symbols for eternity and immortality on clothes, all the eyptian symbolism such as the ankh and the pyramids and more.  The pyramids were used for "resurrection".    All the talk about Angels, Archangel Michael and being like Jesus.  It all makes sense.    The songs Invincible and Unbreakable even make more sense.   And also "Thriller" when the dead come alive out of their graves !!!!!

What do you think ?  This is just what my heart is telling me right now.  Maybe that's what is confusing everyone because yes there was a murder like the family says but he is also alive because he's indestructable.  Maybe they just "thought" they got him.  Little did they know who they were dealing with.  There probably was a double or a body for the autopsy report, pictures etc.    The goes along with the whole green man, peter pan, Osiris stories also.  Supposedly Osiris was cut up and then brought back to life.  He was the first on to achieve immortality.  That's how the story went anyway.   

Love
 
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Jennie on November 23, 2011, 08:57:55 PM
Honest to God (and I wouldn't say that lightly) I said that in the 1st or 2nd week after june 25th. I had e-mailed Nancy Grace on the cnn page and I told her amongt other things that I compared Michael to a modern version of Jesus because of his huge heart filled with so much love and that he has been treated almost like they treated Jesus back then.

But to say Michael has learned to do the things Jesus could do, I dont know. I mean that is wild and IMO not something to say lightly. I certainly would not want to offend God/Jesus. :-\
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on November 23, 2011, 09:12:53 PM
Jennie.  Thanks for your response.   To me, the people who are enlightened or are ascended masters aren't offending god or jesus.  To go to this higher level you need to be connected or working with God.  I think god sent many prophets.  Not just one.  Think about Moses,Abraham,Krishna,Horus,Buddha and many more.   Maybe we can all evolve to be more connected with God and the universe.  That is the point or the message.  We are all connected.  There is a consciousness or energy field that we are all connected to.  Love is a higher vibration that can help connect us together. 

Peace and Love
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Jennie on November 23, 2011, 09:33:11 PM
Jennie.  Thanks for your response.   To me, the people who are enlightened or are ascended masters aren't offending god or jesus.  To go to this higher level you need to be connected or working with God.  I think god sent many prophets.  Not just one.  Think about Moses,Abraham,Krishna,Horus,Buddha and many more.   Maybe we can all evolve to be more connected with God and the universe.  That is the point or the message.  We are all connected.  There is a consciousness or energy field that we are all connected to.  Love is a higher vibration that can help connect us together. 

Peace and Love

Yes you're right and I did say something like that to my husband a while back.

Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on December 25, 2011, 09:39:38 PM
MERRY CHRISTMAS ![/color]   ;))

(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/9196/elvisbluelight001.jpg)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ae5pjIK8lM&feature=share[/youtube]

[URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/528/elvisbluelight002.jpg/](http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/2424/elvisbluelight002.jpg)

One of the best Elvis gospel songs! Why Me Lord,live from concert!
"Why Me Lord? What have i ever done
To deserve even one of the pleasures I've known?
Tell me Lord what did i ever do to deserve loving you
And the kindness you've shown
... Lord help me Jesus I'm wasted
So help me Jesus i know what i am
Now that I know that I've needed you so
So help me Jesus ,my soul's in Your hands"

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPjWzR6skbo&feature=related[/youtube]

[URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/846/elvisbluelight003.jpg/](http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/9157/elvisbluelight003.jpg)

The BLUE color & LIGHT - another common thing that Michael & Elvis share ;)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HphSJbXWCV0[/youtube] (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/687/elvisbluelight001.jpg/)
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on December 25, 2011, 10:21:59 PM
Also...for those who may not know.... There is a  Huge connection between Larry Geller [appears on the cover of the book from which I gave the above quotes^^]  and  Michael! because Larry Geller is Uri Geller's father!! Larry Geller was not only Elvis' hairdresser, but also his spiritual Guide! and close friend! Just like Uri Geller was to Michael!
Uri Geller also bought one of Elvis' homes, very recently, after Mj "died" ;)
I am sooo very sure that Michael got a lot of hints about Elvis and his hoax from Larry & Uri Geller ! ;)
Uri Geller also stated in one show that Michael is not quite dead or something like that!
Larry Geller was with Elvis on his last Hawaii vacation in March 1977!
So in my opinion, THEY are both hoax-insiders!
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: ~Souza~ on December 25, 2011, 10:46:41 PM
Uri Geller a hoax insider? Me no tink so....
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: MJonmind on December 25, 2011, 10:48:01 PM
SimPattyK, just a question, in the board room where Tom Sneddon enters, there are those 6 or 7 books/notepads on the table. Is it just me or do they sort of look like Act 1, etc.? Anybody?
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on December 25, 2011, 11:10:49 PM
Great Video SimPattyK !!!!   You know I just Loooooove your stuff !!!   I was thinking about the significance of all the blue this morning.  Great !!!  Now I think I am on the right path !     


Love You     ;))

Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on December 26, 2011, 06:35:58 AM
@Dontwalkaway : kisssssss  ;))

@MJonmind: I'm sorry I really don't understand your question about Tom Sneddon. I never mentioned him here on this topic, so I don't see what you mean...


Also...for those who may not know.... There is a  Huge connection between Larry Geller [appears on the cover of the book from which I gave the above quotes^^]  and  Michael! because Larry Geller is Uri Geller's father!! Larry Geller was not only Elvis' hairdresser, but also his spiritual Guide! and close friend! Just like Uri Geller was to Michael!
Uri Geller also bought one of Elvis' homes, very recently, after Mj "died" ;)
I am sooo very sure that Michael got a lot of hints about Elvis and his hoax from Larry & Uri Geller ! ;)
Uri Geller also stated in one show that Michael is not quite dead or something like that!
Larry Geller was with Elvis on his last Hawaii vacation in March 1977!
So in my opinion, THEY are both hoax-insiders!
I have to make a rectification here: It seems I was misinformed about Uri Geller's father. It is not Larry Geller. Uri Gellar's father is Tibor Geller, a retired sargeant major in the Israeli army. Uri Geller was born in Israel on 12/20/46. His parents Margaret & Tibor were of Hungarian & Austrian descent. Thanks to @SerenityxDreams for her informative tweets to me ! ;)
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: applehead250609 on December 26, 2011, 07:47:26 AM
MERRY CHRISTMAS !  ;))

(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/9196/elvisbluelight001.jpg)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ae5pjIK8lM&feature=share[/youtube]

[URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/528/elvisbluelight002.jpg/](http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/2424/elvisbluelight002.jpg)

One of the best Elvis gospel songs! Why Me Lord,live from concert!
"Why Me Lord? What have i ever done
To deserve even one of the pleasures I've known?
Tell me Lord what did i ever do to deserve loving you
And the kindness you've shown
... Lord help me Jesus I'm wasted
So help me Jesus i know what i am
Now that I know that I've needed you so
So help me Jesus ,my soul's in Your hands"

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPjWzR6skbo&feature=related[/youtube]

[URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/846/elvisbluelight003.jpg/](http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/9157/elvisbluelight003.jpg)

The BLUE color & LIGHT - another common thing that Michael & Elvis share ;)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HphSJbXWCV0[/youtube]
 (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/687/elvisbluelight001.jpg/)

MERRY blue CHRISTMAS to you ,SimPattyK  :)  bearhug !!!!

Elvis Presley - Blue Christmas
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el6VP50ALjU[/youtube]
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: MJonmind on December 27, 2011, 07:24:36 AM
SimPattyK, sorry, I was referring to the video link you posted near the top of the page before this at :28.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb-M8vmNEL4&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb-M8vmNEL4&feature=player_embedded)



I also liked the video on MJ and the blue light! Amazing!



"new" children reminds me of the poem I just posted randomly  :oops:    on a Christmas discussion.

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=5167.msg380554#msg380554 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=5167.msg380554#msg380554)
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on December 27, 2011, 03:00:21 PM
SimPattyK, just a question, in the board room where Tom Sneddon enters, there are those 6 or 7 books/notepads on the table. Is it just me or do they sort of look like Act 1, etc.? Anybody?
Ok, now I see what you meant... You were referring at these ones?
I don't know...it's not really clear what it says on them....

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Quote from: MJonmind
I also liked the video on MJ and the blue light! Amazing!
"new" children reminds me of the poem I just posted randomly  :oops:    on a Christmas discussion. http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=5167.msg380554#msg380554

To me ...the autism, "new children" things also makes me think about Elvis' movie "Change of habit" and this particular scene where the clear message is "HEAL with LOVE" ! ;)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgxFbh80KyA[/youtube]

About LOVE and HEALING the world.... just like Michael's dream, I find very interesting this passage from this site: http://www.elvispresleypedia.com/behind/healings.htm

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[...]
Larry Geller - He had a special affinity with the color blue in his personal life and his healings and his career was also associated with it, long before he knew about the blue light that had surrounded his birth. One of his first songs was Blue River, Indescribably Blue, Blueberry Hill, Mean Woman Blues, Blue Moon, Milk Cow Blues Boogie, A Mess of Blues, Something Blue, Steamroller Blues and When my Blue Moon Turns to Gold Again. His last album was Moody Blue and the last song he played at the piano at Graceland. Blue Eyes Crying In The Rain.

[size=14]Elvis speaking to a group of young people at his home in the 1960s: "The Light is representative of the sum total of all knowledge. From eons ago, it is held in some vast storage center and is given out to us in small lots, each lot equal to our understanding as we progress and strive mentally and spiritually. Some of us never do progress and so we share little of that knowledge--others strive for education and growth and get more. Some--few, are born ready to receive the knowledge, yearn for it and wish wholeheartedly to obtain it."[/size]

Elvis firmly believed he had the powers of psychic healing by the laying on of hands. He believed he would be reincarnated. He believed he had the strength of will to move clouds in the air, and he was also convinced that there are beings on other planets. He firmly believed he was a prophet who was destined to lead, designated by God for a special role in Life.

Through Elvis’ unconditional love of all peoples, he opened wide the door of his heart to the emotionally troubled and physically afflicted. As a result, those who had been given more than their share of rejection from others, flocked to his performances and often waited for him patiently outside his home. Even today, 20 years after his passing, many wheelchairs can be seen at the annual candlelight service at Graceland. He did not respond to these special ones with pity, nor did he interact with them through condescension. I have seen him enfold people in his arms who were in obvious emotional need; some physically marred, others only broken inside. Many were women who were quite homely. His communion with them was natural, and not self-conscious. He did not reach down to them, but across to them. As in the song he sang, "like a bridge over troubled water, I will lay me down."
When I looked into Elvis’ eyes, as he extended his hands from stage side to those in need of him, I saw a reflection of their pain, and knowledge of their sorrow. Deep within this beautiful creature was a living wound. It had not come to pass solely from this life experience. Those more aware and caring human beings on the planet such as Elvis, do not hold themselves as separate from the misery of the world. This was what I saw in the pools of blue Light coming from Elvis’ eyes - it was the suffering of the world, but also, ever so much as brightly, the hope of the world.

Like the Unicorn, Elvis was a rare creature of air and Light, drawn to the lap of Grace, only to find his captors not far behind. We see this symbol in the tapestries and paintings of old, where the Unicorn lies its head in the lap of the maiden, and in a later scene, he is struggling in vain against the cruel ropes and snares of his attackers. These are men who would kill him and take his precious horn, which is a symbol of his strength and beauty, as their own. Yet even with the implicit threat of his own demise crowding near, Elvis shimmering in white like the flank of a Unicorn, would kneel before the seeking hands allowing them to grasp and often tear his very flesh in their ardent desire to touch the ‘sacred creature’ they unconsciously felt concealed within him, and consequently which they knew subconsciously existed within themselves as well.

And what of the touch? Was it mere illusion, a form of desire turned bitter once quelled? What I saw and experienced was not illusion, nor did it dissipate when the curtains closed and he was gone from us once again. The magic remained as a dew upon the air. It seemed to linger in every corner of the showroom or coliseum, and it clung to the people as they left the building. It was tangible, it was real. It was a touch of Grace that left an indelible mark on us all. And for some, it would be a touch that healed.

 There were stories of both physical and emotional healings. Some of these healings resulted from the actual touch of Elvis’ hands and lips upon them, but many occurred by simply having been in his presence; and it did not end there. Souls around the world were, and still are being healed by Elvis in various ways, without ever having been near him.
[...]
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on December 27, 2011, 09:24:26 PM
MERRY blue CHRISTMAS to you ,SimPattyK  :)  bearhug !!!!

Elvis Presley - Blue Christmas
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el6VP50ALjU[/youtube]
OhhhI just noticed your message!
Thank you dear!  ;))
I hope you also spent a nice Christmas and I wish a hAPPY nEW yEAR!
KISSSSS & HUGS  bearhug
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: hesouttamylife on December 27, 2011, 11:32:14 PM
I don’t believe it was a coincidence that Michael was named Michael, that he was the 7th child, that he was born on a street that bore his family’s name; that he was raised a Jehovah’s Witness, that he even as a small child, loved and cared naturally for children, no coincidences there either.  I don’t believe anything that happened in his life, especially in his formative years, was coincidence. 

It was foretold 700 years prior to Jesus’ birth that he would be born in Bethlehem.  According to the gospel of Luke, Mary and Joseph were in Nazareth nearing the time of the birth of Jesus, and a greedy king who wanted to impose a tax on all the residents ordered them to leave.  In order for him to get a correct account of residents, he demanded that all non citizens return to their ancestral homes.  So Mary and Joseph went on their way and ended up where it was prophesized that the Messiah would be born, which has me feeling that it was certain destiny that Joe and Katherine would be led for what ever reason to their own Bethlehem where Michael, a godsend in his own right, would be born.  It gives me chills to know that a child bearing the very same name as the street on which he was born grew up to be the most beloved human being that ever lived.  It’s like history being revisited and retold for a new generation of believers.  Be as it is, that street, that little house, will forever be a special place because it’s where Michael Jackson was born.  It’s name heralded his coming and certain destiny led them straight to it. 2300 Jackson Streetsymbolizes in every aspect our modern day Bethlehem.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on December 29, 2011, 10:45:34 AM
I agree with what you're saying hesouttamylife ! ;)
There are NO coincidences! There is only GOD's will or man's plan! ;)


Here's a new video by ipadua11-YT channel!  8)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qbb1tc5BO28&feature=share[/youtube]
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on January 01, 2012, 07:33:59 PM
I continue my series about ELvis spirituality, that I started on the previous page of this topic and the significance of BLUE light for him. Pay attention...you'll notice many common points shared with Michael , notably: besides their immense faith in God, they both share a strong belief that God sent them with a purpose here on Earth, that they have a mission to accomplish here and they both struggled a good part of their lives trying to figure out what exactly that mission is, constantly searching,  questioning, studying, looking for answers...

(http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/7695/elvisbluelight004.jpg)

(http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/1222/elvisbluelight005.jpg)

(http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/6764/elvisbluelight006.jpg)
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on January 14, 2012, 06:00:38 AM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht-gYFxge6w[/youtube]

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"Once every millennium or so comes along a being who feels the world and its pain in his heart. Takes it on as his mission. Exacts our attention and leads us to compassion. We had such a one. And his name was Michael Jackson."

This video, co-authored by Gerri Stone (PoetGerri Channel on Youtube) & Rev. Barbara Kaufmann (from Inner Michael website), was featured on the Voices Education website. Research for this video, the articles and the tribute to Michael led to the development of a curriculum inspired by Michael Jackson and dedicated to him and Lady Diana. We invite you to browse through the materials in 'Words and Violence' curriculum, and share with educators, family and friends.

The curriculum is available at the Voices Education website:
http://voiceseducation.org/content/words-and-violence

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-9GzAw8HzU[/youtube]
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on January 18, 2012, 05:44:37 PM
Source link:
http://www.elvispresleynews.com/ElvisQuotes.html

(http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/2302/elvisquotesmusic.jpg)

ELVIS quotes:
Quote
"If even one person can be led to GOD because of me, it will be worth it."

"[...] There's more to me than that guy up there on the stage: You know, Elvis the image.
What my fans and everyone else need to know is that I'm a spiritual person.
If they don't know that, they'll never really know who I am and what makes me tick."

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmV8DPKIJ9s&list=FLkC6Y4ea25ltNSLkO1ZDE-Q&index=6&feature=plpp_video[/youtube]
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: wishingstar on January 18, 2012, 06:17:54 PM
Wow..those are some great quotes Sim......I knew Elvis was spiritual, but his own words take it to a different level for me.  I loved the video too.  Change of Habit is actually one of my favorite Elvis movies.  I think it didn't get the recognition it deserved, perhaps because of the religious overtone...I have no idea.  Here is the IMDB for it:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0065537/

Thanks for the post...always great :)
Blessings to you and all
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Dontwalkaway on January 18, 2012, 06:47:14 PM
Great Job SimPattyK.  You are spectacular.   I love all your "stuff".
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on January 18, 2012, 09:20:08 PM
@Wish: I think the movie "Change of Habbit" is the best movie Elvis ever did. I love it so much!
I also think that at that time and even nowadays, sadly, most people miss something beautiful! The film was clearly underrated! too bad! I really think this was the kind of movies that Elvis would have been happy to make, and he was right! but he must have felt so disappointed to see that the great public still preferred more superficial subjects in movies, than deep, profound, spiritual, social subjects as we can see in "Change of Habbit".
I really understand why he got tired of playing the same role over and over again: the sex-symbol, the talented singer, the funny beautiful guy who fells in love, the rich guy or the poor guy...
In "Change of Habbit" he really had a serious role, very fit to Elvis' spiritual construction and in total opposition to the other roles that were rather made for his physical construction!
Nevertheless, all his movies keep that "something special" in them: Elvis' presence, his spirit!


@Dontwalkaway: thank you sis'  bearhug kisssssss
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: Shamone Jackson on January 18, 2012, 11:31:45 PM
@Wish: I think the movie "Change of Habbit" is the best movie Elvis ever did. I love it so much!
I also think that at that time and even nowadays, sadly, most people miss something beautiful! The film was clearly underrated! too bad! I really think this was the kind of movies that Elvis would have been happy to make, and he was right! but he must have felt so disappointed to see that the great public still preferred more superficial subjects in movies, than deep, profound, spiritual, social subjects as we can see in "Change of Habbit".
I really understand why he got tired of playing the same role over and over again: the sex-symbol, the talented singer, the funny beautiful guy who fells in love, the rich guy or the poor guy...
In "Change of Habbit" he really had a serious role, very fit to Elvis' spiritual construction and in total opposition to the other roles that were rather made for his physical construction!
Nevertheless, all his movies keep that "something special" in them: Elvis' presence, his spirit!


@Dontwalkaway: thank you sis'  bearhug kisssssss

I agree!  "Change of Habit" was his best movie, imo.   I loved it so much that I bought the movie years ago (VHS).  :)  It had a great message.
Title: Re: New Jesus - mark my words
Post by: SimPattyK on January 19, 2012, 01:23:52 PM
@Shamone Jackson: (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Respect/0018.gif) (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Amour/envoie-baiser-492.GIF)
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