Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => The O2 Press Conference => Topic started by: EyeHeartMJ on February 23, 2011, 03:26:40 AM
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I viewed this particular video of the press conference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c00CwFA5JNE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c00CwFA5JNE)
I'm no expert, but I've read a lot of body language books, I'm really into psychology (hoping to study it soon.) I found new, interesting things from the video as I went along, that I'd never noticed until now. Here's my take it on it, and I hope it makes sense:
When Michael starts to say "These will be..." he uses what experts call a "politician's point" which, as the name suggests it's the gesture a lot of politicians use. It means they are trying to get a clear point across. The gesture is when he presses his index finger and thumb together.
Michael then shows the palm of his hand for quite a long time. Any time we see the palm, we can assume the person is honest. Perhaps Michael knows this and kept it up for a long time, purposely to gain the audience's trust; as if to prove he is being honest. After this he goes back to the politician's point.
He then starts to say "This will be it, and when I say this is it, it really means this is it..." and right as he says "it really means this is it" he closes his fingers over his palm (not so honest?)
He starts giggling which could be from all the attention and he feels embarrassed (he's done that plenty of times) and he leans over the podium, as if he doesn't want to look at the audience (again may just be embarrassment.) The hand over the chest implies again, honesty, sincerity. But he puts his left hand first and then right, so both hands are on his chest. Defensiveness, insecurity maybe?
Then he smiles and touches his bottom lip: "I'll be performing the songs my fans wanna hear." When he says the word "fans" his shoulders go up, that suggests tension, nervousness. Touching the lip/laughing could mean lying but any time anything goes up to the mouth, it means the person is seeking reassurance. So insecurity is there.
Then he starts saying again "This is it, I mean this is really it..." Notice the palm is back, just like the first time he tried to make it clear "This is it."
Something else I just picked up on (I'm watching it bit-by-bit as I type this to be sure I don't miss something lol.) he then says "I'll see you in July." Do you notice when he pronounces the word "July" it makes the whole statement sound more like a question. More like "I'll see you in July?" This means he is unsure of himself because if he was sure of himself it would come out like a definite statement. Maybe he was unsure if he could go through with the concerts, or maybe he knew there wouldn't be any concerts.
Omg another thing I only just noticed. Look at 4:45 in the clip. After he says "I'll see you in July" (sounding like a question) he says "And..." He is smiling and he suddenly closes his mouth. Watch his throat! He swallows! He could be lying, or feeling nervous. Why, I wonder? He then tilts his head to the audience, did he just see someone who made him nervous?
THEN he puts his hand up, giggles and says "I love you. I really do..." Now, go back to my last paragraph. What did he mean when he said "And..." AND WHAT Michael? It looked like he wanted to add something, then stopped himself and felt nervous, thus closing his mouth to swallow. Then, to distract the audience from what he almost said after the "And..." he puts his hand up (another palm), giggles and tells them he loves them a few times. "You have to know that" he says. Why do we *have* to know it? All his fans know he loves them back. I don't think I've ever heard him tell an audience he loves them the way he did. I know it was meant to be his final shows, but if he said it in such a final way because of that, surely he would make more of a speech, thanking people throughout his career, his family, fans? He would be clearer and say thanks for all the decades of loyal fans, and thanks to all the people he worked with. The whole speech just sounded so disjointed.
He definitely looked nervous about something, I can tell you that much. Either he was nervous of his fans' reactions to him implying he was retiring, or he was nervous because he was hiding something. He couldn't possibly be that nervous out of shyness and the embarrassment of all his fans cheering for him; he has done plenty of other speeches (recent ones) where fans were cheering him on, yet he did not act that way.
HOLY cow I just picked up something else. At 3:31 he says "These will be my final show performances...in London." WATCH the way he emphasises the word London. After he says "performances" he moves his head quickly to ADD the word "London." He also raises his eyebrows when he adds "London." So does that mean it's his last shows in London, but not elsewhere? It looks as if he adds "in London" to clarify he only means London and not elsewhere. Can you see what I mean? Watch closely.
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I watched the speech again and I don´think that person is Michael.
Neverending circles (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Npingree/Emoticons/RabbitSmiley.gif)
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You did a very good job researching the video and your past was very interesting to read as well, however, I like Gema do not believe that was Michael. Your theory would still hold up if the person was not Michael. The impersonator probably was nervous.
Hugs and Love
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Thank you, EyeheartMJ, for sharing your observations with us. It's obvious that you've taken a lot of time studying the 02 announcement. Your thoughts and observations are very interesting and I thank you for sharing that with us.
Some believe that the person is not MJ, but an impersonator. I wonder if the nervousness, the needing reassurance, etc., is stemming from the person (if it's not MJ) being concerned that MJ fans will see that he's a fake.
Some have said that they think the 02 announcement was also staged (fake). If that is true then perhaps he was acting that way on purpose in order to give the impression that he was nervous about his upcoming concert.
I, too, found the announcement disjointed. Even in Michael's youngest years he was able to give a smooth and well thought out speech. This speech looks like:
A) he didn't plan for what he was going to say or
B) he forgot what he was going to say or
C) he scrapped what he was going to say.
None of these are Michael qualities. I don't believe either that it's because he was out of the limelight for so long. He really wasn't out of the limelight - he's been doing photo shoots, collecting awards, doing speeches, etc. Even when he was nervous he would giggle but he'd still pull it together. I look forward to hearing more of your thoughts on this.
Blessings on your day.
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Very good analysis..i have to say all these months im looking to find what is behind of all he said..I think its the most cryptic speech i heard of him all these years..And im sure that he explains everything with that speech his 'death' even his ressurection!
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Thaks for your excellent analysis! I am a little familiar with body language as well and I think you are right.
Do you know what finally convinced me that O2 guy indeed was Michael? It`s the way he raises his brows ... very much the same as he did in his infamous "Sony sucks ad Mottola is devilish"-speech at the campaign led by Rev. Al Sharpton. Just compare yourself.
Yes, it was Michael anouncing the concerts. And his final ones in London (means: not elsewhere ... since a following world tour was planned already).
Insecurity, yes, I see that too. Very much over-compensated (does one say so?) and therefore clear to me. Artificial confidence, built up and accompanied by some powerful moves (the little "yeah"-rocking-fist-dance -- is there actually a word for that?).
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Great job hun!!! Also everytime I see him jumping around at the O2 I picture Tom Cruz on Oprah's show when he was telling her how much he loved Katie.....It was just not MJ like to me....I think of Tom Cruz everytime I see him when it comes to the O2 :lol:
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Ive noticed at 4:17 - just before he says "I will be performing the songs my fans want to hear"... he takes a deep breath and wipes his mouth.
Could be nervousness, but ive read that touching your face, and you mouth and nose in particular... is an indication of lying. And touching your mouth is a way of covering the lie, and comforting yourself.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c00CwFA5JNE[/youtube]
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Ive noticed at 4:17 - just before he says "I will be performing the songs my fans want to hear"... he takes a deep breath and wipes his mouth.
Could be nervousness, but ive read that touching your face, and you mouth and nose in particular... is an indication of lying. And touching your mouth is a way of covering the lie, and comforting yourself.
That´s more like a "thinking" touch.
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Ive noticed at 4:17 - just before he says "I will be performing the songs my fans want to hear"... he takes a deep breath and wipes his mouth.
Could be nervousness, but ive read that touching your face, and you mouth and nose in particular... is an indication of lying. And touching your mouth is a way of covering the lie, and comforting yourself.
That´s more like a "thinking" touch.
Body language analysis isnt absolute. Its all up for interpretation. x
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Very good analysis..i have to say all these months im looking to find what is behind of all he said..I think its the most cryptic speech i heard of him all these years..And im sure that he explains everything with that speech his 'death' even his ressurection!
Those are exaxtly my thoughts. Check your future history books in search of that speech! :lol:
"These will be my final shows in London" - this SPEECH is indeed his FINAL SHOW! because he's gonna die shortly afterwards.
But "I'll see you in July" - which means "I'll resurrect"
"I love you all" - this is everything what is in-between, together with all the songs his fans wanted to hear - the old ones and the new ones which we have an opportunity to listen to again...
The greatest comeback in history....
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Very interesting thread, thank you all :D
@EyeHeartMJ
" He also raises his eyebrows when he adds "London." So does that mean it's his last shows in London, but not elsewhere? It looks as if he adds "in London" to clarify he only means London and not elsewhere. Can you see what I mean? Watch closely.
@Aintnosunshine
Do you know what finally convinced me that O2 guy indeed was Michael? It`s the way he raises his brows ...
About Michael's raised eyebrows expression - please see the following video at 0.56 secs - I think it is very similar to the raised eyebrows expression in the O2 video at 3.39 - see below for comparison
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0qfBB0Rnjg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0qfBB0Rnjg)
[youtube:vdn4wyof]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0qfBB0Rnjg[/youtube:vdn4wyof]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c00CwFA5JNE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c00CwFA5JNE)
[youtube:vdn4wyof]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c00CwFA5JNE[/youtube:vdn4wyof]
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Great job hun!!! Also everytime I see him jumping around at the O2 I picture Tom Cruz on Oprah's show when he was telling her how much he loved Katie.....It was just not MJ like to me....I think of Tom Cruz everytime I see him when it comes to the O2 :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: Omg I never thought of that. That's exactly what it was like!
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With so many people questioning if it was really him or not, and the more I think about it I'm just not sure anymore. I don't understand how an impersonator could fake his voice as well as mannerisms. Maybe it was really Michael but he had taken drugs so he was acting a bit differently?
Then again Joe supposedly said there were doubles in TII. If there were then I think MJ would have made sure they were quite thin so when his "death" happened it wouldn't come as much of a surprise, had he have been a healthy weight. First time I saw the movie previews I was struck slightly at how different he looked, but I don't know which parts of TII were him, and which were doubles. Or if his death really happened, and Kenny etc made the whole thing with doubles, I'd think that'd be illegal and obviously his family would be speaking out straight away, suing them or whatever.
I think when you see the start of the clip when he's walking into the arena, you can tell it is him because he has a distinct walk. He has a really sexy walk ;) like with his shoulders, can't explain it...
I've said in another post about my mum who is usually right when she has a gut feeling. We were watching the conference on DVD right after I joined this site, and she said every time she sees the crowd cheering, something doesn't sit right with her. Later when I tried telling her it could be a hoax, and there's good evidence, she basically didn't want to hear any of it, saying it's BS because of all the documents proving it, and that'd it be illegal, and "try telling that to his mother" who she just saw on Oprah. I burn MJ/J5 stuff off youtube to burn so we have new stuff to watch sometimes, and I'm thinking I should burn more stuff and throw in Dave Dave and just go along with what it's supposed to be (Michael's friend) and see if she notices anything. :) She's really observant so it'd be interesting, she's never seen the LKL clip before.
Even in TII at the start when the dancer says he's been looking for something...and "this is it" I knew it was set up and even my mum said the same.
Sorry for the tangent :D there's just too much to think about...yeah watching the O2 crowd it does definitely look set up...the more I see that crowd it becomes obvious they're acting. We need someone who was actually there to say "yeah this was a real crowd" coz in a book I've seen a photo of the crowd and it's massive, it stretches right out the back, so I just don't know.
Also the English guy at the end, it seemed inappropriate and very rude he would say "was that weird for you too?" Actually it just occurred to me right now; MJ hated the English tabloids. Do you think there's a connection between that and why this would be held in London?
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With so many people questioning if it was really him or not, and the more I think about it I'm just not sure anymore. I don't understand how an impersonator could fake his voice as well as mannerisms. Maybe it was really Michael but he had taken drugs so he was acting a bit differently?
...yeah watching the O2 crowd it does definitely look set up...the more I see that crowd it becomes obvious they're acting. We need someone who was actually there to say "yeah this was a real crowd" coz in a book I've seen a photo of the crowd and it's massive, it stretches right out the back, so I just don't know.
Also the English guy at the end, it seemed inappropriate and very rude he would say "was that weird for you too?" Actually it just occurred to me right now; MJ hated the English tabloids. Do you think there's a connection between that and why this would be held in London?
EyeHeartMJ, some members here have posted that they were there, or had friends who went, so it was definitely a proper event, but that wouldn't stop the majority of the crowd, like the ones at the front who we see most of, being 'fake'. They look to me like they are acting way over the top, even for an MJ crowd! There's one guy in particular that always makes me laugh!
I don't think Dermot was being rude and inappropriate - if you listen to what he said after, I think he was just commenting on how strange it had been having MJ so close.
As for him being MJ but on drugs and therefore acting differently - well, I don't think he needs drugs to make him act differently, he can do that very well all on his own, in total control!
I've been on the fence about if it was a double or the real deal at this announcement, because he doesn't look 100% like I think MJ looks, but after discovering all these mannerisms we've been discussing, I'm pretty sure it's him, albeit 'disguised', to mess with us. Perhaps he found it easier to 'lie' , or consider himself 'acting', when he wasn't looking totally himself.
The words combined with the body language is very interesting - it's just like he's telling us: this is it, this is the big one he's been promising for years and he's nervously excited about it, but we need to remember he loves us because he's about to give us a huge shock, then he'll see us in July. (Although I'm not getting my hopes up about that bit! Still think that may have been referring to him 'seeing' us at his memorial, as he didn't say 'you'll see me in July', he said 'I'll see you in July').
Loving this thread, by the way! It's good to go back over stuff from the early days and find they look very different now!
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Thank you EyeHeartMJ!!
I am the one who wrote the "Speech in a whole new light" and was pleased to see that
you followed up with a new thread and some great body language explanations!!!!
Great analysis!! I really believe that Michael said a mouthful without really saying much. I also
believe that the hoax started on that day... The day of the 02 conference!
Maybe our threads could be combined?? That would be cool!
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EyeheartMJ thank you for posting this thread. You should definately become a psychologist, I am a psychologist. This Michael in 02 is not the real Michael. He has a different voice, and also different mannerism. If you want to learn what gestures mean look at the real Michael and check it out. Blessings.
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EyeheartMJ thank you for posting this thread. You should definately become a psychologist, I am a psychologist. This Michael in 02 is not the real Michael. He has a different voice, and also different mannerism. If you want to learn what gestures mean look at the real Michael and check it out. Blessings.
Oh it's cool that we have a psychologist on the site :) and yeah I don't know what to make of it now, haven't really considered it being an impersonator but if it is then it must be a damn good take-off...perhaps the real Michael taught him exactly how to act...but how could you explain the voice he had? Only when he said "Thank you all" his voice went deeper than normal. But otherwise it was MJ's voice? I mean, he couldn't have mimed it that well could he? :?
Thank you EyeHeartMJ!!
I am the one who wrote the "Speech in a whole new light" and was pleased to see that
you followed up with a new thread and some great body language explanations!!!!
Great analysis!! I really believe that Michael said a mouthful without really saying much. I also believe that the hoax started on that day... The day of the 02 conference!
Maybe our threads could be combined?? That would be cool!
Yeah that would be awesome! Yeah I was thinking the timing of the conference was just too close to his "death" and I think others have said he did it that way so it would not be a shock to anyone, as in, it's more convincing as people would think "oh, it's all the pressure and physical activity that caused his cardiac arrest, no wonder..." and if there were doubles in TII it also adds up. Instead of just out of the blue he has a cardiac arrest. Because also if it was out of the blue, people would be suspicious as to why Conrad Murray just happened to be with him. Whereas it's more believable if he's got upcoming "concerts", of course he'd want a doctor with him to keep him healthy etc.
@ curls Ok good to know the event was genuine. Maybe it was the front people who were actors, I do still think they seemed a bit fake.
Also I just meant the tone of the English guy's voice sounded like he was dissing him, I know he meant that he was so close, but just his voice sounded really mean. Maybe I took it the wrong way :lol:
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Great job hun!!! Also everytime I see him jumping around at the O2 I picture Tom Cruz on Oprah's show when he was telling her how much he loved Katie.....It was just not MJ like to me....I think of Tom Cruz everytime I see him when it comes to the O2 :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: Omg I never thought of that. That's exactly what it was like!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Ok I am not alone lol O2 and Tom cruz lol thats what I see, I need to up load that video clip. :D
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNrB6qpmNwg&feature=related[/youtube]
Here Tom Cruz reminds me of the O2 a bit. <!-- s:lol: --> :lol: <!-- s:lol: -->
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Also I just meant the tone of the English guy's voice sounded like he was dissing him, I know he meant that he was so close, but just his voice sounded really mean. Maybe I took it the wrong way :lol:
He hosts X Factor in the UK and he always sounds like this!!
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Tom Cruse must have been on drugs.
And maybe Michael wasn`t quite "alone" at the O2 stage, but it was him,for sure.
All I`ll say: The eyebrow-effect...!
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The 02 announcement was real - my work colleague was there. She was fairly near the front and said she though MH look totally different to how she'd seen him in the past - she has been to several MJ concerts with me.
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The 02 announcement was real - my work colleague was there. She was fairly near the front and said she though MH look totally different to how she'd seen him in the past - she has been to several MJ concerts with me.
Did she how he looked different? Does she feel it was mJ or not MJ? It would be interesting to find out what someone who was there thought.
Hugs and Love
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EyeheartMJ thank you for posting this thread. You should definately become a psychologist, I am a psychologist. This Michael in 02 is not the real Michael. He has a different voice, and also different mannerism. If you want to learn what gestures mean look at the real Michael and check it out. Blessings.
Oh it's cool that we have a psychologist on the site :) and yeah I don't know what to make of it now, haven't really considered it being an impersonator but if it is then it must be a damn good take-off...perhaps the real Michael taught him exactly how to act...but how could you explain the voice he had? Only when he said "Thank you all" his voice went deeper than normal. But otherwise it was MJ's voice? I mean, he couldn't have mimed it that well could he? :?
Thank you EyeHeartMJ!!
I am the one who wrote the "Speech in a whole new light" and was pleased to see that
you followed up with a new thread and some great body language explanations!!!!
Great analysis!! I really believe that Michael said a mouthful without really saying much. I also believe that the hoax started on that day... The day of the 02 conference!
Maybe our threads could be combined?? That would be cool!
Yeah that would be awesome! Yeah I was thinking the timing of the conference was just too close to his "death" and I think others have said he did it that way so it would not be a shock to anyone, as in, it's more convincing as people would think "oh, it's all the pressure and physical activity that caused his cardiac arrest, no wonder..." and if there were doubles in TII it also adds up. Instead of just out of the blue he has a cardiac arrest. Because also if it was out of the blue, people would be suspicious as to why Conrad Murray just happened to be with him. Whereas it's more believable if he's got upcoming "concerts", of course he'd want a doctor with him to keep him healthy etc.
@ curls Ok good to know the event was genuine. Maybe it was the front people who were actors, I do still think they seemed a bit fake.
Also I just meant the tone of the English guy's voice sounded like he was dissing him, I know he meant that he was so close, but just his voice sounded really mean. Maybe I took it the wrong way :lol:
Not at the begining. If you close your eyes, and listen to him starting his speech that is not michael's voice. totally different. Than his voice started to be like Michael's than it went deeper. This man is not Michael. Just try it dear, and let me know.
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Can someone explain to me the salute, the turn and then the wave from behind? I have never seen him end a speech or ever make an exit like that before. He almost semed as though he didn’t know exactly where the exit was. :?
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Also the English guy at the end, it seemed inappropriate and very rude he would say "was that weird for you too?" Actually it just occurred to me right now; MJ hated the English tabloids. Do you think there's a connection between that and why this would be held in London?
No, Dermot O'Leary was not being rude. x
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EyeheartMJ thank you for posting this thread. You should definately become a psychologist, I am a psychologist. This Michael in 02 is not the real Michael. He has a different voice, and also different mannerism. If you want to learn what gestures mean look at the real Michael and check it out. Blessings.
Oh it's cool that we have a psychologist on the site :) and yeah I don't know what to make of it now, haven't really considered it being an impersonator but if it is then it must be a damn good take-off...perhaps the real Michael taught him exactly how to act...but how could you explain the voice he had? Only when he said "Thank you all" his voice went deeper than normal. But otherwise it was MJ's voice? I mean, he couldn't have mimed it that well could he? :?
Thank you EyeHeartMJ!!
I am the one who wrote the "Speech in a whole new light" and was pleased to see that
you followed up with a new thread and some great body language explanations!!!!
Great analysis!! I really believe that Michael said a mouthful without really saying much. I also believe that the hoax started on that day... The day of the 02 conference!
Maybe our threads could be combined?? That would be cool!
Yeah that would be awesome! Yeah I was thinking the timing of the conference was just too close to his "death" and I think others have said he did it that way so it would not be a shock to anyone, as in, it's more convincing as people would think "oh, it's all the pressure and physical activity that caused his cardiac arrest, no wonder..." and if there were doubles in TII it also adds up. Instead of just out of the blue he has a cardiac arrest. Because also if it was out of the blue, people would be suspicious as to why Conrad Murray just happened to be with him. Whereas it's more believable if he's got upcoming "concerts", of course he'd want a doctor with him to keep him healthy etc.
@ curls Ok good to know the event was genuine. Maybe it was the front people who were actors, I do still think they seemed a bit fake.
Also I just meant the tone of the English guy's voice sounded like he was dissing him, I know he meant that he was so close, but just his voice sounded really mean. Maybe I took it the wrong way :lol:
Not at the begining. If you close your eyes, and listen to him starting his speech that is not michael's voice. totally different. Than his voice started to be like Michael's than it went deeper. This man is not Michael. Just try it dear, and let me know.
I was talking about the host guy sounding mean but apparently he wasn't so never mind... :lol:
But yeah I heard MJ's voice go deep when he said "Thank you all" but I thought his voice was actually deep anyway?
I think his jumping around & chanting "This is it" maybe he was either high or pretending to be high, to create the confusion and get people talking/wondering...also when he "died" people would look back and say "well he did act differently so it's no wonder he passed, if he was taking drugs..." so it would be more convincing...ahh I don't know :roll:
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In thinking about if the O2 guy was a double or not, I got wondering about the lines on his left palm. If someone has a better shot of the O2 guy's left palm please put it up for comparison. The only one I could find is: http://www.flickr.com/photos/42390966@N05/4096385371/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42390966@N05/4096385371/)
I then found 3 pics of the real Michael's left palm:
http://realurbanentertainment.blogspot. ... chive.html (http://realurbanentertainment.blogspot.com/2008_12_01_archive.html) (you need to scroll down for that one)
http://fred-astaire.blogspot.com/2008_0 ... chive.html (http://fred-astaire.blogspot.com/2008_08_01_archive.html)
http://www.pbpulse.com/gossip/celeb-sta ... l-charges/ (http://www.pbpulse.com/gossip/celeb-stalker/2010/07/29/michael-jacksons-doctors-dodge-criminal-charges/)
Let me know your opinions! :P
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Whenever I see this picture of the real Michael standing at the curtain watching the O2 crowd, I gotta believe that the two are not the same people. The one at the curtain sure looks like the MIchael we know much more than the O2 guy. IMHO
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What is so interesting about all this is that we go round and round in circles, some being convinced it is MJ, others that it most definitely isn't, but the bottom line is we can't all be right! That makes me wonder about all the other things in life and the world that I think I know.
I'm pretty darned sure that we're experiencing a genius at work, just look at how this man can arouse our curiosity, confuse us and intrigue us, surrounding everything he does in mystery and illusion. Look at how he makes us think and question. This is Michael Jackson ... whoever he is!
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I'm now stuck somewhere in the middle. It wasn't until a few people replied to this thread saying they believe it's a double that I even considered looking into it. The front audience members being set up was as far as I'd gotten. Now I'm looking at other photos of what's meant to be MJ in the past few years before his "death", and I'm looking more carefully.
Actually the one video I instantly thought was a double, before even considering the possibility of the O2 guy being one, was this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_uTK_oBK2U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_uTK_oBK2U)
Maybe I'm imagining things, but his eyes look like really different, almost like they're missing his usual eyeliner underneath. Also his behaviour from about 6:07 in the clip reminds me of the O2 speech somewhat, maybe he was high? I don't know...also when he walks into audience from about 6:51, would MJ normally do that? :?
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The 02 announcement was real - my work colleague was there. She was fairly near the front and said she though MH look totally different to how she'd seen him in the past - she has been to several MJ concerts with me.
Did she how he looked different? Does she feel it was mJ or not MJ? It would be interesting to find out what someone who was there thought.
Hugs and Love
She said he didn't look well.
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has anyone seen the This is it dvd extra's? well on one of them (i think it was called staging the return) they show a bit of the conference and a little bit of backstage behind the red curtain.. he was smiling and talking to his team and just something about him makes me think its him..like the way he moves his hands or his smile - i didnt really think it was him at the o2 conference but when i saw that clip it just changed it for me...i think it was him or he has an almost exact double... anyway , the conference was very..different?
L.O.V.E!
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Michael Jackson - Is this the real MJ? O2 Arena Press Conference - My Body Language Analysis. CJB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47DxXDkVePY
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47DxXDkVePY
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47DxXDkVePY [/youtube]
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I'm loving this body language guy's videos! He's done several on MJ that I'm working my way through today!
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What great observations you have made, EyeheartMJ! The O2 has its share of controversy and mystery and with good reason IMO. Everything from the announcement and onward has been like a twilight episode. You will make a great psychologist someday and MJ is an excellent subject to study ;)
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You did a very good job researching the video and your past was very interesting to read as well, however, I like Gema do not believe that was Michael. Your theory would still hold up if the person was not Michael. The impersonator probably was nervous.
Hugs and Love
I agree, just from his mannerism it is not Michael. I am a pshychologist and I have no choice at times to read body language, when my patient is accused of murder, to see if he is lying or not. So in that Case that impersonator, giggled, and he was fidgiting, did not know how to use the microphone, very nervous, unease not comfortable into his own skin, and that is not Michael, He was moving from one end to another, turning around making a face to the audience. Since when Michael acts like that? Those signs to me is a person with insecuraties, and a person who is afraid to be caught because he is not Michael. Blessings to all.
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i don't think that was MJ. His swagger was TOTALLY different. The way he walked into the conference was VERY DIFFERENT
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But Mike can do 'different'! He can do just about anything that suits his purpose. mj_bad/
It's quite amusing because I know we're never all going to reach agreement on this one, but for me the 'differences' I too see are far outweighed by the definite MJ mannerisms that are all over this announcement. 'Eyebrow lift' and 'mouth touching' to name just two!
(Add to that the thumb/finger thing that the body language guy picks up on in the video!)
Not trying to convince anyone, just stating my opinion and gut feeling.
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That "swagger" is comparable to Elvis walking backstage before his last concert in Indianapolis, June 26, 1977.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xexl3j_elvis-presley-his-last-concert-drin_music (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xexl3j_elvis-presley-his-last-concert-drin_music)
Michael's wig style is accentuating the upper part of the head (unlike his other wigs or natural hairstyles), thus giving reference to a style like the one Elvis had, a helmet, a powerful, leo like strong person or - if one allows that comparison - a British Royal Guard. Not that I assume that Michael wanted to guard the British Royalty. Yet, this hairstyle is clearly underlining masculine strength and is expressing "I am my master".
Perfectly fits to the fist IMO.
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I can't say whether or not Michael was on drugs during the announcement, I would hope he wasn't, but I do think he was either nervous or he played like he was nervous. I am leaning more of he was acting, he put on a performance to get people to question if that was really him or if there was something wrong. I think it ties in perfectly for the hoax. One of the first things that caught my attention that something wasn't right with his "death" was when they played the announcement on t.v. I was busy doing something else and when that came on it caught my attention. Anyway.....
I think the announcement was made to get people to think. More like a "you think you know all about me, can you pick up on this" mentality.
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that california raisins video would make a good tool by which to analyse the hands. i seem to not be able to get it here though. can someone else do that please.
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I had written a post in December, I had to attend a symposium in regards to my profession as a pshychologist. We had to listen to a Dr. from Quebec city, talking about child behaviours.
That night I arrived a little earlier then usual, I was waiting for my friends. While I turned around I saw lots of big men surrounding someone.. I had no clue who this person was.. Well It was Michael Jackson Impersonator.. I was starring at him so much that I thought my eyes would come out from my sockets. lolol/
This impersonator, looked exactly like Michael, the height the face the nose everything. He is the one who approached me, asking me if I wanted his autograph. I started to laugh.. he asked me what was so funny, I said, if you were the real Michael why not.. but you aren't.. He was amazed by what I have said to him. He was insisting he was Michael, I told him to show me his hands and like an idiot he did. I told him these are not Michael hands, Michael hands are distinguished, his fingers twirl upwards, and his nails are stained. This guy had shorter hands, and chubbier.. He was very skinny, just like Michael. He told me that I know Michael very well, I said well I am a fan of his since I was 5 yrs old. I used to watch him at the Ed Sullivan show. T
his impersonator was at the Marriot hotel in Montreal doing a concert for a charity. He also told me that he wanted to continue Michael's legacy. Anyways to make a long story short, that impersonator could have been the one on the O2 arena, he looked just like him, his voice was the same.. Just to tell you these Impersonators study Michael's voice, mannerism, way of walking, everything. That's how we get all confused. That's why I am skeptical with this O2 dude.. He is not Michael.. everything does not fit together. blessings.
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OK, back to "this was not Michael".
Michael's lips do bend a little bit downwards when he smiles.
(http://www.delawareonline.com/blogs/uploaded_images/85259907-717026.jpg)
Heavy lipstick enlarging the lips:
(http://www.odt.co.nz/files/story/2009/03/us_singer_michael_jackson_announces_at_a_london_pr_4650790334.jpg)
Same smile at rehearsals:
(http://www.celebrityrush.com/celebrity-pictures/Michael-Jackson-1245056287.jpg)
"The last performances in London" - a stained hand to prove it was real?
(http://estaticos04.cache.el-mundo.net/elmundo/imagenes/2009/05/14/1242294677_0.jpg)
The same hand at the trial - ring finger and middle finger always stick together:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_IPSOmRdlS0Q/SlB0wWv8o-I/AAAAAAAAB0c/DGcRw0P7wS0/s400/michael+jackson+madonna+tribute+video+stick+and+sweet.jpg)
Of course this was Michael (or one of the publicly appearing Michaels if you prefer to stick to the twin / brother / relative / double theory). You may alter a face, get a facelift for your teeth and photoshop all remaining wrinkles and shadows out of a photo to achieve a 10 year younger appearance, but you may never change your hands, especially when dehydration and arthritis have taken their toll.
(My colleague tells me all the time that elder folks should drink a LOT, I know this topic well, hahaha.)
Still, in the non-redacted close-ups of the face, one does see the tiny nose job scars and every other trace of Michael's life book that makes his 52 year old face beautiful.
The body language videos are great.
Check out the ones about Michael after the trial and about Murdoch.
The guy is observing quite some interesting aspects.
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I can't say whether or not Michael was on drugs during the announcement, I would hope he wasn't, but I do think he was either nervous or he played like he was nervous. I am leaning more of he was acting, he put on a performance to get people to question if that was really him or if there was something wrong. I think it ties in perfectly for the hoax. One of the first things that caught my attention that something wasn't right with his "death" was when they played the announcement on t.v. I was busy doing something else and when that came on it caught my attention. Anyway.....
I think the announcement was made to get people to think. More like a "you think you know all about me, can you pick up on this" mentality.
Absolutely!
Grace, agreed! EVERYTHING matches! I've spent hours/more for 2 years pouring over pictures etc. And he's beautiful and genius!
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I don´t care anymore crash/
Not focusing in body language, but just in images, to me, some frames are Michael and some frames are not. How can this happen at the same time, in the same video? geek/
His hands are his, yes, but his face looks like if would have been shopped (added) in the video afterwards.
Whatever ::)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47DxXDkVePY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47DxXDkVePY)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47DxXDkVePY [/youtube]
6:53-7:00 looks more like "I'm having a heart attack!" By the way he grabs his heart twice. And then he says "No I'm fine!" by opening his arms. lol maybe I'm just silly, but it seems MJ is a man of secret messages in his gestures. You just have to use your imagination a little.
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I don´t care anymore crash/
Not focusing in body language, but just in images, to me, some frames are Michael and some frames are not. How can this happen at the same time, in the same video? geek/
His hands are his, yes, but his face looks like if would have been shopped (added) in the video afterwards.
Whatever ::)
LOL - you are funny. I think that could very well be why some of us think it's not Michael yet some frames appear to really be Michael. I'm confused like you are. I'm convinced that it's not all Michael yet some of those other pictures do have his distinct features.
As we know it's been discussed that parts of this video could have been pretaped or edited in some way before being shown on the airwaves. That would explain it...kind of like Hollywood Tonight, near the end when the female dancer kind of looks like Michael instead of the real dancer.
Going back up to Grace's comment about Elvis. I've never totally bought into the Elvis connection of this hoax. It just seems like a distraction away from Michael. Yes, I know I'm probably too closed minded - but I'm trying to be open to it.
Anyway, she mentions the hair. Good observation.
The date of his last concert was June 26, 1977? 6/26/77. 6+2+6=14 (7+7) (+77)
June 26th was one day after Michael's disappearance of June 25th
In that clip, the drink that Elvis takes is from a Coke cup. We know that Coke has had a place in this hoax.
I just found these things kind of interesting considering there is growing thought that Elvis and MJ hoaxes are related.
By the way, other than MJ, Elvis was the only other entertainer that made me cry when he "died". And that was only for a day. MJ clearly has his beat because I'm still not convinced that Elvis is alive.
Blessings :)
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as I think back to the day of this announcement, I was doing some work at home (when I had a small TV in my office before they changed the TV signal stuff) I thought: why is Michael Jackson using an old school puppet/magic show backdrop for such a major announcement? then he was saying stuff like: this is it, and this is my final curtain call... LOL I remember thinking why is he using such phrases like he's about to kick the bucket! Then he did! Now I think about it, MJ had to be cooking things up!! LOL
mj_bad/
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as I think back to the day of this announcement, I was doing some work at home (when I had a small TV in my office before they changed the TV signal stuff) I thought: why is Michael Jackson using an old school puppet/magic show backdrop for such a major announcement? then he was saying stuff like: this is it, and this is my final curtain call... LOL I remember thinking why is he using such phrases like he's about to kick the bucket! Then he did! Now I think about it, MJ had to be cooking things up!! LOL
mj_bad/
I felt this way, too. It just wasn't the usual MJ fashion of announcing such a big event (with MJ everything is a big event lol). And he's usually has a soft spoken voice when does public speeches. I really don't think this speech was scripted word for word, but the words he uses take on a deeper meaning that what most believe the speech was about. You're not alone in this assessment. I believe this is MJ, just with a very bizarre behavior.
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I have been reading for quite some time ....
I will have to agree on the fact there was 2 doubles where one of them was sick
Perhaps the one that was sick was supposed to make the O2 announcement ... but he couldn't ..
so they sent the 2nd double which was on short notice.
This is why he looks out of place. It was not rehearsed.
The minutes the crowd waits for his arrival on stage is when the 2nd double is getting briefed
I used to be able to make the difference from the his hairline moonwalk_/
I miss him
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Yes, if you close your eyes and listen, is does sound well not like michael,i dont know,but the part of the clip thats always got me thinking is,at 5.25,he seems angry at someone in the crowd,have a look,hes does seem annoyed at somthing..... :? :?