Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Theories => The Double Theory => Topic started by: looking4truth on February 20, 2011, 09:15:50 PM
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Here are two interview clips from 1983. To me, something seems off. Look at the teeth and nose. Perhaps, you'll see what I see. It could be video quality and possible nose surgery but I am not sure. What do you guys think?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nUDVG7bLeU[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lao3_sB0_nY[/youtube]
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His nose is thinner and I would put that down to surgery.
As for his teeth, they look the same to me.
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Beat It Footage from same year
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lfk2n-iRDU[/youtube]
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No!!! The teeth are not the same at all! Nor is the nose. Actually from being of the same era, it looks like two different people altogether. WTF!!!!! This is so weird..... :shock: :?:
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I've mentioned this on here before..but will again...it's Michael's teeth. Yes, they are different sometimes. And toward the end, the entire area around the mouth is different. Like a prothesis...like dentures in the mouth. It made the place above the lip more pronounced .. and his cheeks sink in. That's either implants or dentures....I've noticed it for 10 year..more and more so. We know he got thinner and thinner, but this is WAY different. Makes me really believe an ill double.
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wow....I had to do a double take on this one!
Yea, the teeth in the second video, way different than the first....
He also looks thinner in the first one.
Hmmm...could be video quality maybe?? :?:
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wowww!! the teeth its not the same and the nose !!!..the first video it seems like an imposter :o
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OMG what a SWEET 24 year old.
The second video is "more" MJ :lol: they sound the same but the looks are different, may be the lighting of the video?
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You're right in the first video his teeth don't look the same. His teeth are not straight like they usually are and his upper lip seems larger and it looks like he has a small bump or something on his top lip. In the second video his teeth look perfectly straight. That is odd. I always wondered about MJ's teeth. I'm not trying to pick him apart but sometime I notice his teeth look super straight and sometimes they look kinda crooked. Maybe he had veneers or some dental work that improved his smile who knows? :?:
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Either that, or, MJ had a double since then.
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this appears to be the same interview in both videos. how does one do this ? one guy goes to the bathroom and the other guy comes back or what? there just aren't any people stepping up to say yeah that was really weird for me , it was like two different people. it seems to me like the way it has been presented that if you got within 10 feet of the guy you had to sign a confidentiality agreement , maybe this was part of it .there is no way to know what went on . how long it took, was it a lot of trouble to get the guy to sit there and finish the interview. was the interview really an hour of really odd behavior and we got a good 20min. interview out of it. nothing. too bad no one has gotten hold of one of these agreements. :? seriously apparently in order to make the rebuttal interview michael had to sign-off on debbies agreement ( i think luna jo 67 mentions this) it may even have been for her to testify but that seems quite extreme. but then something here mentioned recently lisa getting book rights :? that doesn't exactly make sense either especially since far as i know she hasn't used them. it just get curiouser and curiouser :?
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this appears to be the same interview in both videos. how does one do this ? one guy goes to the bathroom and the other guy comes back or what?
:lol: That scenario never crossed my mind but would be just too funny that MJ switched doubles in front of all of us and noone noticed.
Imagine! concerts, interviews.....many of us questioned Bashir´s interview with MJ 1, MJ2 and MJ3. Could have been the case?
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Those videos definitely look like two different MJ's. These do look like they are from the same interview. Michael is a prankster. He probably was running late and asked his double to stand in for him until he got there. They took a break and in pops the real MJ. The second video looks more like MJ. The first one, his teeth almost look pointy on the bottom and his nose is more defined in the first one. (Showing evidence of nose surgery). If he was able to pull this off back in the 80's, just imagine what he could do 20 years later.
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:shock: wow this hoax is getting stranger and stranger everyday :shock:
Are these two interview on the same day? The reason asked is because Mj wears the same cloths a lot
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Oh wow. I didn't even realize he was wearing the same outfit in both interviews. :lol: This could've been the same day. Wouldn't that be something? I'll see if I can get the dates on these two to confirm.
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I saw two different men many times during these months of staring at a screen.
Roe-eyed MJ and handsome MJ.
A shy one and an outgoing one.
We do not know the Scruse family clan in-depth.
There may be an answer for lending a hand or two or a man.
Just a thought.
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Oh and just for fun...1+9+8+3=21=777 8-)
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According to a Greek MJ fan website, this interview was aired March 13, 1983 and the ET interview was aired February 25, 1983. This still doesn't prove when these two interviews were recorded but the dates are less than a month apart.
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I think that both interviews are Michael. He was messin' with everybody even back then so questions like this will be asked, and moments like this will be had. ;)
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Teeth look strange in the first one... :?
He probably had his nose done somewhere in between, because they are quite different! I think the teeth might still be the same, it's hard to tell because he doesn't show his beautiful smile in the first one, like he does in the second.. I don't believe it's a double though, really they sound the exact same and they look the exact same, minus the nose. :roll:
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Those teeth are not the same, was this really the same day or was he just wearing the same outfit for both interviews.The top mj`s teeth are pointy and the bottom mj `s are like normal.
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Both of them are MJ. In the first video, i think he was getting his teeth done. You know before you get your porcelain teeth, they minimize the teeth as you see in the first video. Your teeth definitely look like piranha fish teeth. And the nose is the same but just the lighting is different.
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Re: 1983: Is it just me or something is off?
by looking4truth » Mon Feb 21, 2011 7:31 pm
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Re: 1983: Is it just me or something is off?
by looking4truth » Mon Feb 21, 2011 7:44 pm
According to a Greek MJ fan website, this interview was aired March 13, 1983 and the ET interview was aired February 25, 1983. This still doesn't prove when these two interviews were recorded but the dates are less than a month apart.
looking4truth this one is also for fun:
we got 28 days in feb 1983 wich means 16 days between both interviews....ah!
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Personally I think any differences that can be seen are down to the poor quality of the top video.
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Teeth look strange in the first one... :?
He probably had his nose done somewhere in between, because they are quite different! I think the teeth might still be the same, it's hard to tell because he doesn't show his beautiful smile in the first one, like he does in the second.. I don't believe it's a double though, really they sound the exact same and they look the exact same, minus the nose. :roll:
Perhaps, I'm using the wrong word. He could be a decoy--someone who sounds exactly like him and looks very close to him.
The practice of decoying is essentially little different from the profession of celebrity lookalike, in which people mimic famous entertainers whom they resemble. The only difference is that the 'lookalike' presents an acknowledged artifice. The decoy must conceal his or her imposture from the 'audience'.
In 2001, Poland hosted the first-ever doppelganger convention, to which lookalikes from across the country turned up, offering the unlikely spectacle of Joseph Stalin hobnobbing with Elizabeth Taylor. Nearly all the doppelgangers at the event had complemented their resemblance to a famous person by costume.[1]
The famous incident in which Charlie Chaplin (at the height of his fame) failed to get through to the final selection in a 'Charlie Chaplin Look-alike' contest[2] suggests that preconceptions by observers can be just as important as any physical resemblance when it comes to impersonation.
Some 'lookalikes' actually stop mimicking their targets and start pretending to be them. Comedian Robin Williams is one such victim, whose identity was allegedly 'stolen' by professional look-alike Michael Clayton, for financial reasons.[3]
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_decoy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_decoy)
Both of them are MJ. In the first video, i think he was getting his teeth done. You know before you get your porcelain teeth, they minimize the teeth as you see in the first video. Your teeth definitely look like piranha fish teeth. And the nose is the same but just the lighting is different.
That can't be the case because in the below interview from 1977, his teeth are just as nice as the second video (which I think is the real MJ).
[youtube:23o26b4r]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkOxbSsRmbM[/youtube:23o26b4r]
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Both of them are MJ. In the first video, i think he was getting his teeth done. You know before you get your porcelain teeth, they minimize the teeth as you see in the first video. Your teeth definitely look like piranha fish teeth. And the nose is the same but just the lighting is different.
huh?? he was getting his teeth done, you dont make any sense! Michael didnt have get his teeth done because he already had pretty teeth sense his teens
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I was thinking maybe it's just the lighting and the quality of the video because the 2nd video has great quality and the first 1 is very bad and grainy and that's why his teeth look like that. As for his nose it looks the same to me :? :geek:
This definitely has me scratching my chin.... :?: :geek:
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His vitiligo was already to be seen in there ... quite fair / pale underneath is eyes and upper cheek ... or was it the lightning?
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His vitiligo was already to be seen in there ... quite fair / pale underneath is eyes and upper cheek ... or was it the lightning?
wonder if the vitiligo under the eyes is the reason for the shades and not so much the shyness?
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I'm sorry, but you guys are all buying into this "doubles" thing way too much. There are many doubles. who unfortunately only resemble Mike. None are identical. None can match his voice. That's clear. If you want to know when Michael is Michael, just watch him smile. It's been consistent throughout the years because that can never change, and it proves why these are all Mike and so was the O2 Mike. When Michael smiles, his bottom lip strays over to the left a little bit. It's pretty easy to see, and to me that's the easiest way to tell when Mike is Mike, especially when he is wearing sunglasses. Otherwise you could just see it in his eyes, which have remained constant. And I don't know if people realize this, But Barry Shaw looks nothing like Michael Jackson. Barry Shaw is a short white guy with reddish brown short hair. He is also a film maker who worked on the 05 trials. So don't believe in anything Barry Shaw double related. It simply isn't true.
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Those videos definitely look like two different MJ's. These do look like they are from the same interview. Michael is a prankster. He probably was running late and asked his double to stand in for him until he got there. They took a break and in pops the real MJ. The second video looks more like MJ. The first one, his teeth almost look pointy on the bottom and his nose is more defined in the first one. (Showing evidence of nose surgery). If he was able to pull this off back in the 80's, just imagine what he could do 20 years later.
I noticed the pointy teeth, lol. But, Im guessing its just that the lighting is coming from above, and his upper lip is casting a shadow over his lower teeth? They do sound and look the same to me.
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I'm sorry, but you guys are all buying into this "doubles" thing way too much. There are many doubles. who unfortunately only resemble Mike. None are identical. None can match his voice. That's clear. If you want to know when Michael is Michael, just watch him smile. It's been consistent throughout the years because that can never change, and it proves why these are all Mike and so was the O2 Mike. When Michael smiles, his bottom lip strays over to the left a little bit. It's pretty easy to see, and to me that's the easiest way to tell when Mike is Mike, especially when he is wearing sunglasses. Otherwise you could just see it in his eyes, which have remained constant. And I don't know if people realize this, But Barry Shaw looks nothing like Michael Jackson. Barry Shaw is a short white guy with reddish brown short hair. He is also a film maker who worked on the 05 trials. So don't believe in anything Barry Shaw double related. It simply isn't true.
actually i am not much into the double thing at all. if anything i do wonder if the little turkey hasn't been messing with peoples heads for a while .i don't even really wonder why he seemingly became so shy. i think he was willing to give and give and give to a point where it got to be take and take and take until he said enough.jmo
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It could be probable that MJ disguised himself at times to be someone else away fom the spot light. If ths is the case shown in those videos, why to talk in the same way with the same mannerisms?
I still think that is the lighting of the video.
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To me it doesn't look like a lighting problem and he also didn't get his teeth done, because they were perfect before and after this interview. So I think Mr. Jackson was wearing a prothesis, to create magic, an illusion, and to confuse us viewers a little bit.
[attachment=0:146uqvok]jackson teeth prothesis.jpg[/attachment:146uqvok]
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These pictures are contradicting Michael's concern about his appearance in public.
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To me it doesn't look like a lighting problem and he also didn't get his teeth done, because they were perfect before and after this interview. So I think Mr. Jackson was wearing a prothesis, to create magic, an illusion, and to confuse us viewers a little bit.
[attachment=0:8zqhfqb6]jackson teeth prothesis.jpg[/attachment:8zqhfqb6]
:shock: IDK what to think anymore.
2 Michaels? 1 Michael with and without cosmetic teeth? 1 Michael with fake teeth for fooling around?
That interviewis from the 80s! how long has this been going on in front of our faces?
I need to know if the MJ of my childhood is the real MJ :lol: aaaaaahhhhhggggg, why didn´t I choose another icon for my childhood, whyyy whyyyyyy!!!!!?????
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To me it doesn't look like a lighting problem and he also didn't get his teeth done, because they were perfect before and after this interview. So I think Mr. Jackson was wearing a prothesis, to create magic, an illusion, and to confuse us viewers a little bit.
[attachment=0:1v4ae6u1]jackson teeth prothesis.jpg[/attachment:1v4ae6u1]
:shock: IDK what to think anymore.
2 Michaels? 1 Michael with and without cosmetic teeth? 1 Michael with fake teeth for fooling around?
That interviewis from the 80s! how long has this been going on in front of our faces?
I need to know if the MJ of my childhood is the real MJ :lol: aaaaaahhhhhggggg, why didn´t I choose another icon for my childhood, whyyy whyyyyyy!!!!!?????
:lol: I wonder if there are later pictures of him with the same teeth. Hmm... And I did think this was in the works for 20 years.... so that would be 1989 from 2009 hence all the references to BAD but now I am wondering if he was creating illusions since 1983. I don't know what to think anymore. I'm either losing it or getting closer to the truth. I am not sure which at this point. :lol:
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These pictures are contradicting Michael's concern about his appearance in public.
wouldn't the idea being planted about obsessive concern about his looks begin to lead into the idea of addiction ? any sense?
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQNhGSVcWTU&feature=related[/youtube]
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Sorry, I've got to say this again - the quality of that first video with the pointy teeth is awful! Watch how the metal bit of his glasses look, the contrast is really bad, as if it's been recorded off the TV or something. I personally really think there's nothing to investigate here.
(Oh, and when you have dental work done, they cover your 'pointy' teeth with temporary crowns/veneers, until the real ones are made - they don't leave you with lethal weapons in your mouth! At least, they didn't with me!)
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Both of them are MJ. In the first video, i think he was getting his teeth done. You know before you get your porcelain teeth, they minimize the teeth as you see in the first video. Your teeth definitely look like piranha fish teeth. And the nose is the same but just the lighting is different.
huh?? he was getting his teeth done, you dont make any sense! Michael didnt have get his teeth done because he already had pretty teeth sense his teens
How do you know? Are you his dentist?
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Sorry, I've got to say this again - the quality of that first video with the pointy teeth is awful! Watch how the metal bit of his glasses look, the contrast is really bad, as if it's been recorded off the TV or something. I personally really think there's nothing to investigate here.
(Oh, and when you have dental work done, they cover your 'pointy' teeth with temporary crowns/veneers, until the real ones are made - they don't leave you with lethal weapons in your mouth! At least, they didn't with me!)
:lol: Yeah you're right Curls. But in the first video he definitely looks like he had piranha teeth :lol: And I do agree with you. It's because of the poor quality of the video. People started to think too much about doubles. Any of the doubles sound and look exactly like him at the same time. This is our Michael.
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That is Michael on both videos. look at the quality of the videos? The second one is more clear. Michael got doubles later in life, not in his twenties.
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That is Michael on both videos. look at the quality of the videos? The second one is more clear. Michael got doubles later in life, not in his twenties.
This is Lane Lassiter in 1985
(http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/19/l_a6102671583c7c614b5c4b7ffb8f1e34.jpg)
(http://a3.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/50/5f445023cba4b904e61e998a6db63faa/l.jpg)
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These pictures are contradicting Michael's concern about his appearance in public.
wouldn't the idea being planted about obsessive concern about his looks begin to lead into the idea of addiction ? any sense?
To me it looks like this:
The pictures are showing the denture more or less completely being prepared for crowns.
This is a status which is kind of strange to be presented to the public in an interview - one does not need to be overly sensitive for one's appearance in public to find it unusual to give an interview in that preparation period at the dentist.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=12087)
That's what is being done to close a tooth gap:
(http://www.doctorspiller.com/images/Crowns&Bridges/Ivoclar%20crown%20prep.jpg)
(http://de.empireclinic.com/images/stories/tartalom/kronen/Bridge.jpg)
It is more than unusual to do this to each and every tooth (except there is a health reason).
I am not aware of any denture health issues in the Jackson family.
Just for beauty reasons? It's Hollywood, one may say, but Michael had good teeth before, so there was no real need for a complete "overhaul" (except personal ideals).
Aside from personal strive for perfection, could there have been a procedure to establish an identical denture with somebody else - or an identical denture for two persons - like pointing out specific "landmarks" in the face of MJ?
What jumps into the eye as landmarks in a face: the nose, the mouth (+ teeth), the chin, the cleft. What was hidden as of a certain moment: the eyes and the ears.
One either identifies a person by his/her eyes or by his/her mouth/teeth.
If there really was a complete denture "overhaul" then we are fully thrown back to asking why and maybe the double theory again.
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Didn´t the AR estate that the teeth were all natural?
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When i used to work at a dental practice we would always fit a plastic cover over the prepared stump while waiting for the crown to come back.I can`t see any dentist letting a patient go out with just stumps.
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Gema,
I need to know if the MJ of my childhood is the real MJ aaaaaahhhhhggggg, why didn´t I choose another icon for my childhood, whyyy whyyyyyy!!!!!?????
<!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> Because you recognize true greatness and would have been bored long ago with another icon. It's been 2 years since he "died".
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQNhGSVcWTU&feature=related[/youtube]
This song truly expresses MJ's life, profoundly. MJ said he loved the BeeGees and was influenced by them.
Our eyes don't lie, this is our beloved MJ, master of illusion, putting magic into everything he does, as he promised.
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To me it doesn't look like a lighting problem and he also didn't get his teeth done, because they were perfect before and after this interview. So I think Mr. Jackson was wearing a prothesis, to create magic, an illusion, and to confuse us viewers a little bit.
[attachment=0:18icnfmh]jackson teeth prothesis.jpg[/attachment:18icnfmh]
Maybe he was going to do thriller again :lol:
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Gema,
I need to know if the MJ of my childhood is the real MJ aaaaaahhhhhggggg, why didn´t I choose another icon for my childhood, whyyy whyyyyyy!!!!!?????
:lol: Because you recognize true greatness and would have been bored long ago with another icon. It's been 2 years since he "died".
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQNhGSVcWTU&feature=related[/youtube]
This song truly expresses MJ's life, profoundly. MJ said he loved the BeeGees and was influenced by them.
Our eyes don't lie, this is our beloved MJ, master of illusion, putting magic into everything he does, as he promised.
every time I hear this song from the Bee Gees I cry. You know this song fits Michael to a T. I am crying again.
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I already debunked the crowns theory. viewtopic.php?f=99&t=17975#p307210 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=99&t=17975#p307210) However, Grace, you do make a good point that the first video could be a MJ double who was preparing to get his teeth done just like MJ's. Sounds "off the wall" but anything is possible in this hoax.
It also could be simply a very poor quality video. I don't want to rule that out but it is odd to say the least. I wonder if there's anyway we can test that theory. Hmm... Here are some other poor quality footage of MJ. It's hard to find the same type of quality as the first video but I'm trying.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCT2rc876UA[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoszPv5mwCs[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQCl1dnLvVo[/youtube]
From these videos, it looks like quality of the video should not hamper the appearance of a person's teeth but if someone as a better example to truly debunk or prove it, that would be great. Thanks.
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Now that I think about it since MJ was a prankster what if he was simply wearing some fake teeth to mess with the interviewer in the first video. It almost look like they could be the fake teeth that people wear on Halloween. It also looks like a bump was place on his lip and something with the nose. He could have done it as a joke and the interviewer was too goofy to say anything or notice. I could actually see him doing something like that. MJ had perfectly straight teeth so that's the only other reason I could think of his teeth looking that way.
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it also seems to me that he keeps his mouth more closed and makes an effort not to smile. might be difficult to keep these things in place or something. can't figure out the nose though as that little indentation seems to show up quite often in the future pictures. makeup maybe?
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But why would he do something like that in this particular interview? That's my immediate question to him being a prankster.
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Til I finally died, which started the whole world living......wow. That made me weep.
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But why would he do something like that in this particular interview? That's my immediate question to him being a prankster.
Hey who knows maybe he was just in the mood to have some fun. Maybe he did it just to mess with the interviewer. Maybe he was testing out some fake teeth for a future disguise.lol
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I think it's just the bad quality of the video.
I found a moment in the first video where his teeth don't look as bad as for example at the moments friendlikeme81 showed us.
And watch his collars: the metal things at the tip of them look just as bad on the first video as his teeth. They look black on the top.
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I think it's just the bad quality of the video.
I found a moment in the first video where his teeth don't look as bad as for example at the moments friendlikeme81 showed us.
And watch his collars: the metal thing at the end of them look just as bad on the first video as his teeth. They look black on the top.
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The collars - from the second video and from the poor quality first video:
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The collars - from the second video and from the poor quality first video:
Great point. Thanks for this. There still is some difference, obviously with his nose but that could've been pre and post surgery. I'll be neutral about this for now. This does prove that it could've been the video quality though.
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The collars - from the second video and from the poor quality first video:
Great point. Thanks for this. There still is some difference, obviously with his nose but that could've been pre and post surgery. I'll be neutral about this for now. This does prove that it could've been the video quality though.
Thank you, looking4truth!
I think it's pre and post surgery. Two different videos. The background and his chairs are different too.
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The collars - from the second video and from the poor quality first video:
Great point. Thanks for this. There still is some difference, obviously with his nose but that could've been pre and post surgery. I'll be neutral about this for now. This does prove that it could've been the video quality though.
Thank you, looking4truth!
I think it's pre and post surgery. Two different videos. The background and his chairs are different too.
Totally agree with you both. That's definitely Michael in both videos. Thank you for the pictures DREAMSandTRUTH.
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It was my pleasure, PureLove! :)
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I Believe that MJ had impersonators but I don't believe that there is 2 Mj or more and just think Simple Nobody can talk exsacly like MJ so lets stay on the One and only Mr. Michael jackson
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30... no I'm just kiddin... in the second interview...
I'm still enjoying that moment. That was too funny!
BTW... in the first he reminds me a lot of Janet.
L.O.V.E.
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I swear lol sometimes y'all crack me up! Its MJ in both interviews, no one can duplicate his voice exactly like that. No one! seriously, and when you have listened to Michael for so many years the way I have and many others, you can't be fooled.Some of you are just looking too hard into things :roll:
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I swear lol sometimes y'all crack me up! Its MJ in both interviews, no one can duplicate his voice exactly like that. No one! seriously, and when you have listened to Michael for so many years the way I have and many others, you can't be fooled.Some of you are just looking too hard into things :roll:
Exactly!
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the odd theeth in the first clip i've seen in TII, I was then thinking that MJ was puting on new veneers. But maybe this explaines it, two different people allt together. the nose in the first clip also the same nose as on the sketch of the "dead" mj's face.... hmm hmmm hmmm..
his way of speaking about himself is also 100% him in the second clip, but not so much in the first clip.
also at the end of clip 1 the presenter thanks michael for this candid interview. candid can be both upright and honest as well as... candid camera....
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I'm pretty sure there's more then one man we know as Michael Jackson and that is has been that way for a long time. I'm not sure how I feel about it, it kind of freaks me out a little to realize that it's probably the truth and it's been in front of us and under our noses for some 20 years. I'm not angry or upset about it but it is a shock. I don't think about it very much because I really just can't comprehend it. It changes everything that there are, and have long been, 2 Michael Jacksons.
The man himself is an illusion:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/fcfbec/mjcourt3.jpg)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/fcfbec/mjcourt2.jpg)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/fcfbec/mjcourt4.jpg)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/fcfbec/mjcourt1.jpg)
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Here are two interview clips from 1983. To me, something seems off. Look at the teeth and nose. Perhaps, you'll see what I see. It could be video quality and possible nose surgery but I am not sure. What do you guys think?
[youtube:1t92ex18]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nUDVG7bLeU[/youtube:1t92ex18]
[youtube:1t92ex18]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lao3_sB0_nY[/youtube:1t92ex18]
to me it seems like if could be two different times. in the first one his lips look kind of parched almost to the point of being sore. in the secons they look soft , pink and healthier, like he had been ill or dehydrated in the first one. the other stuff i think could be faked . i wonder if the lips could be made to look this way? he had probaly just been around all of those makeup people and learned how to get different looks out of stuff. idk i think this isn't the kind of knowlegde he would get from karen but more like rick baker.
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Here are two interview clips from 1983. To me, something seems off. Look at the teeth and nose. Perhaps, you'll see what I see. It could be video quality and possible nose surgery but I am not sure. What do you guys think?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nUDVG7bLeU[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lao3_sB0_nY[/youtube]
What the hell can I think anymore? This man either has a few doubles or the stories about the plastic surgeries are true or the make-up is used to create illusions all the time.
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Sep 2009 (Annie's theory)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=253&t=5391 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=253&t=5391)
Jan 2010
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=253&t=2741 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=253&t=2741)
Feb 2010 (The Official Double Thread)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=99&t=6415 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=99&t=6415)
Mar 2010
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=7935 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=7935)
With morphs and references to teeth:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=7370 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=7370)
There's this pic:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/O222.jpg (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/O222.jpg)
Apr 2010: (Doppelganger)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=99&t=8297 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=99&t=8297)
Sep 2009 (old mjkit / mjhd - Jonathan)
http://mjkit.forumotion.net/t1066-updated-informant-makes-2nd-contact-provides-more-clues-on-jonathan (http://mjkit.forumotion.net/t1066-updated-informant-makes-2nd-contact-provides-more-clues-on-jonathan)
Nov 2009 (TII review - Michael Jackson’s This Is It ~ Documentary or Mockumentary?)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog.php (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog.php)
Check out in the same blog (Nov 2009, older entries):
The Mike J Jackson ~ Michael J Jackson thing again
It Takes Two To Tango – Part 2
It Takes Two To Tango…The Truth, The Lies, The Guilt & Making up
More threads:
http://mjkit.forumotion.net/search?mode=searchbox&search_keywords=double&show_results=topics (http://mjkit.forumotion.net/search?mode=searchbox&search_keywords=double&show_results=topics)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=99 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=99)
And then there's these pictures eg:
http://www.gettyimages.de/detail/50721299/Time-Life-Pictures (http://www.gettyimages.de/detail/50721299/Time-Life-Pictures)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/fcfbec/variousprofiles.jpg)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/fcfbec/variousprofiles.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/fcfbec/variousprofiles.jpg)
http://exploringthehoax.wordpress.com/2010/04/20/doubles-dopplegangers-n-twins-oh-my/ (http://exploringthehoax.wordpress.com/2010/04/20/doubles-dopplegangers-n-twins-oh-my/)
(http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/4952/ohrenrechtslinks.jpg)
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/4952/ohrenrechtslinks.jpg (http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/4952/ohrenrechtslinks.jpg)
A double's video - see that smile:
http://uk.truveo.com/video-detail/michael-jackson-twin/2282288124 (http://uk.truveo.com/video-detail/michael-jackson-twin/2282288124)
Since teeth can be made to look identical, we may think about about ears, jaw line (reduction) and hands.
Sometimes it is useful to check early thoughts again.
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This person in the first vid of the original post must be a shapeshifter! Reptilian teeth - OMG!
Was MJ a shapeshifter? I don't think so.
Vid quality has got nothing to do with that - Casey Casem's teeth are normal........
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thank you Grace for taking time to collect teh links and photos.
I do think it is more to this than many want to believe, nevertheless one has only to look at old photos to see that
they cant possibly all be of the same person, they are soo different...
But here is what I think about the real michael: during the funeral and memorial they had pictures from the early 90's and the 80's nothing later, so taking that in mind, and taking in to account how the "different" mj's act on tv or in photos (sparlkle in the eyes, his smile, the way he mimics) etc I would say that the person being the real MJ is the MJ with a rounder face, a cute little smile, less makeup and a sweet little nose...
I've got some photo examples....
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I believe this is the real MJ in both videos. I do not agree that the interviews were on the same day. He probably just wore the same outfit. His teeth look to me like he was in the process of getting them fixed. MJs smile is too beautiful not to have been cosmetically altered. I do see a difference in the nose. The skin does look lighter, but he said himself that the vitiligo became more pronounced later than 1983. I think this is just the lighting in the video (not well lit).
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I've been watching Live from Bucharest this morning. Something caught my eye. In between workin day and night and beat it is an illusion where Michael goes from the stage to a cherry picker. No biggie right? Well, the Mj doing beat it has a mole on his right cheek that is plain as day but the Mj doing WDN does not.
The easiest way to pull off this illusion is to use a double or a TWIN!!
The reason I have even come back to this thread is the Michael album cover. There are ten kids around Katherine and Joe in the bottom left of the of the cover. All kids can be accounted for except the one next to Michael..... food for thought.....as if we havent eaten enough already LOL
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Oh wow I never noticed that before. But I did notice how he did the chair vanishing trick. I won't tell it unless you want to know it and anyways well done on spotting it.
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He wasn't in Bucharest in 1983. He was in 1992 and 1996.
He actually does an illusion number during thriller in every concert. When he goes down in the hole and gets up with the werewolf mask. The one who wears the mask and dances till the end of the song is a double. And you can spot he is a double very simple: body and moves - although he's a professional dancer it's clear as daylight it's not Michael. No one has Michael's elegance while moving.
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I know that Anna...I put the observation here because it's a doubles thread.
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I've been watching Live from Bucharest this morning. Something caught my eye. In between workin day and night and beat it is an illusion where Michael goes from the stage to a cherry picker. No biggie right? Well, the Mj doing beat it has a mole on his right cheek that is plain as day but the Mj doing WDN does not.
The easiest way to pull off this illusion is to use a double or a TWIN!!
The reason I have even come back to this thread is the Michael album cover. There are ten kids around Katherine and Joe in the bottom left of the of the cover. All kids can be accounted for except the one next to Michael..... food for thought.....as if we havent eaten enough already LOL
I've watched it many times but I never notices this. I'll have to watch it again.
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Great find Monstertooty! I have always been troubled by Michael once saying he had 9 brothers and sisters. Like I've said all along, the more I think I know about this hoax, the more I realize I know just enough to know I don't know anything!
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I just tweeted kadir Nelson to see if he can shed some light on the extra kid around katherine and Joe....Stay tuned.
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I'm curious if he will give an answer suspicious//
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according to google Michael had 9 brothers and sisters- Rebbie, Jackie, Tito, Jermaine, La Toya, Marlon, Brandon (died at birth), Randy, and Janet. It also says he has a younger half sister Joh'Vonnie who is Joes daughter by Cheryl Terrell
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The picture on the cover showsan additional boy. I can't imagine they would symbolize a child who diedas grown like the rest of the kids. The fact that it is a boy rules out the half sister.
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A little something from Dangerous Tour Bucharest- I'll Be There
Michael definately has two sides to him- the introvert and the extrovert:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caHWtyfCFEQ[/youtube]
And then we have the same song from This is It:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFITCpShkFA&feature=related[/youtube]
I guess Michael wants to show us that for a show to work there needs to be doubles. The artist must not only conserve his voice and his feet but he must also see what the numbers look like from the audience perspective.
So I don't necessarily go for the TWIN concept, more for the Illusions needed to make a great show. And that this is probably nothing new- has been going on for years. Front and Back of the same coin. /woohoo/ /woohoo/
Always great to watch a MASTER at work! /bravo/
Titania
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In the first video theres a white line going down the middle of his shirt. Is that one of those clip on microphone things or part of the shirt??
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I agree with you, is the poor quality of video, until I see more brown. moonwalk_/
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In Jermaine's book he says
'Around 1983 he said 'I just love to create magic. I love to put something so unusual, so unexpected, that's it blows people's heads off'
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The first video MJ, looks like someone slapped his nose on and punched it down and made all his teeth smaller with gaps in between. Defenately seems like 2 different people.
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