Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators

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Title: New Video 24
Post by: Guest on December 19, 2009, 07:47:51 PM
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Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: doreentbird on December 19, 2009, 08:04:16 PM
excellent video. i still cry when i see the obvious emotion from this little girl for her daddy.  i lost my dad at the same age, and i would have given anything to have my dad back.  i hope she still has hers.

Blanket is sooooo cute.
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: GirlSaturday on December 19, 2009, 08:08:15 PM
Oh..... Sugar Honey Ice Tea!

Paris repeated the exact same words at the Memorial as those that were spoken SEVEN years ago.

Great catch! I tip my hat on this one.
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: AnnieIsNotOK on December 19, 2009, 08:23:27 PM
Nice work like usual but it was very emotional to watch :cry: I am looking forward for the next one.The part with Paris in the audience with Latoya is interesting,first time I get to see this...
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: Harleyblonde on December 19, 2009, 08:47:00 PM
Great video. You pointed out some very good points. Liked that one a lot and watching it has renewed my hope. Thankyou.
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: Jade Jackson on December 19, 2009, 09:36:01 PM
I can't wait to see #25.
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: neverlandprincess on December 19, 2009, 09:39:15 PM
thanks maurra!
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: Jade Jackson on December 19, 2009, 10:42:49 PM
I loved your comment about feeling MJ's staring eyes behind the Blonde Woman's sunglasses.  Strikes me the same way.  And I thought your take on Paris' speech was insightful.  Your analysis makes sense to me.
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: Liberian Girl Heehee on December 19, 2009, 10:55:02 PM
Like father like daughter....she doesn't like wearing an earpiece in her ear either.

Well done!  You do such a great job with your videos.  Looking forward to #25!!
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: rayvyn on December 19, 2009, 11:39:54 PM
I don't understand how that is a clue. My child and I often repeat certain phrases to one another, and when I speak about her to others, those phrases might come up. I'm not a naysayer; I just don't want to blindly accept something that I don't see. Maybe someone can be more detailed in the significance of what Paris said. Thanks.
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: tiida11 on December 20, 2009, 12:21:37 AM
Quote from: "rayvyn"
I don't understand how that is a clue. My child and I often repeat certain phrases to one another, and when I speak about her to others, those phrases might come up. I'm not a naysayer; I just don't want to blindly accept something that I don't see. Maybe someone can be more detailed in the significance of what Paris said. Thanks.

 What if you try to explain that ? Thanks, too.
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: Guest on December 20, 2009, 12:43:39 AM
Quote from: "rayvyn"
I don't understand how that is a clue. My child and I often repeat certain phrases to one another, and when I speak about her to others, those phrases might come up. I'm not a naysayer; I just don't want to blindly accept something that I don't see. Maybe someone can be more detailed in the significance of what Paris said. Thanks.

Im trying to understand where or when I ever said that anything that Paris said was a clue? Other than the fact that she obviously had a very strange choice of wording in which nobody can deny.. She never mentions her father in a past tense..
I think this was a pretty big indication to ME personally that something was off..

Dont know if I would call that a "clue"...

But of course it was REALLY creepy how she was talking into her purse..

I never asked you to blindly accept something that you dont see.. if ANYBODY cant see by now that this thing is a hoax, well.. I mean.. heh

But of course you should question stuff... Think for yourself.. its pretty important




Thanks you guys for your support :D The next part is coming soon!
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: rayvyn on December 20, 2009, 01:16:41 AM
Why are you so defensive? I was reluctant to respond because people become so defensive if others, in this case me, don't see things the same way. I never said you were asking me to do anything-- I was making a statement about what I try to avoid, and that is blindly accepting-- it wasn't a personal attack on you.

The "that" I was referring to was Paris's choice of words. I'm trying to understand. I didn't see how it was odd, and if you had any additional insight that might help me see it better, I was asking.    

I did think it was weird Paris was fidgeting with her purse and ear. I wondered if she had some sort of wireless device. Thank you for pointing it out-- I hadn't noticed it before.
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: nevada on December 20, 2009, 06:23:18 AM
Vous etes beaucoup à croire au honax  ;)
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: Guest on December 20, 2009, 06:46:38 AM
Quote from: "rayvyn"
Why are you so defensive? I was reluctant to respond because people become so defensive if others, in this case me, don't see things the same way. I never said you were asking me to do anything-- I was making a statement about what I try to avoid, and that is blindly accepting-- it wasn't a personal attack on you.

The "that" I was referring to was Paris's choice of words. I'm trying to understand. I didn't see how it was odd, and if you had any additional insight that might help me see it better, I was asking.    

I did think it was weird Paris was fidgeting with her purse and ear. I wondered if she had some sort of wireless device. Thank you for pointing it out-- I hadn't noticed it before.


uh defensive?... ok.. then.. :!:

your welcome..
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: Aintnosunshine on December 20, 2009, 08:41:56 AM
Hi there, has anyone got an url for this video?

for the poor germans ... ?
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: Guest on December 20, 2009, 08:51:20 AM
Quote from: "Aintnosunshine"
Hi there, has anyone got an url for this video?

for the poor germans ... ?

www.liveleakcom/mjfanforeverandaday (http://www.liveleakcom/mjfanforeverandaday)
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: ilprincipe on December 20, 2009, 10:03:21 AM
Quote from: "Aintnosunshine"
Hi there, has anyone got an url for this video?

for the poor germans ... ?

alternativ geht es auch sämtliche youtube vids über
www.vtunnel.com (http://www.vtunnel.com)
oder www.hidemyass.com (http://www.hidemyass.com)

anzusehen
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: Mish1981 on December 20, 2009, 10:27:40 AM
Again this goes to show that Paris said what was true to her. If she has been saying the same thing over and over again for years then it's obviously true in her heart. I don't think it was scripted. She spoke with facts, I like that. There is no denying that she is a very smart little girl, I'm sure MJ is very proud of his three children.
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: Aintnosunshine on December 20, 2009, 10:32:56 AM
Quote from: "ilprincipe"
Quote from: "Aintnosunshine"
Hi there, has anyone got an url for this video?

for the poor germans ... ?

alternativ geht es auch sämtliche youtube vids über
http://www.vtunnel.com (http://www.vtunnel.com)
oder http://www.hidemyass.com (http://www.hidemyass.com)

anzusehen


Danke! Aber gerade deswegen brauche ich ja die ulr ...
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: Aintnosunshine on December 20, 2009, 10:55:17 AM
thanx, Maura ... finally I gotto see it  :)
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: teensy on December 20, 2009, 08:04:44 PM
I think Paris gave a great performance. The kids looked bored. They could have been standing on the street watching traffic go by. I think your 'grief' photos are few compared to the whole lot. I've been back and forth many times wondering if the Jackson's were grieving, but there not! Ironically, your video convinces even more so that the children, especially Paris, was faking. I doubt Michael would have them on display when they are so visibly 'upset'. I would be disgusted if his children were upset and crying, while his family is giggling, smirking and smiling.

I hope that doesn't sound harsh. I don't mean it to be.  :)
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: Guest on December 20, 2009, 08:27:07 PM
Quote from: "teensy"
I think Paris gave a great performance. The kids looked bored. They could have been standing on the street watching traffic go by. I think your 'grief' photos are few compared to the whole lot. I've been back and forth many times wondering if the Jackson's were grieving, but there not! Ironically, your video convinces even more so that the children, especially Paris, was faking. I doubt Michael would have them on display when they are so visibly 'upset'. I would be disgusted if his children were upset and crying, while his family is giggling, smirking and smiling.

I hope that doesn't sound harsh. I don't mean it to be.  :)

I cant believe you can watch that  shit and say those kids were faking.. Didnt you get it at all? She was never crying about his death.. It was about what was done to him..

All I can say is wow.. I can seriously understand why Michael wanted to disappear.. honestly..

Bored?

wow..
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: teensy on December 20, 2009, 09:54:56 PM
Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"
Quote from: "teensy"
I think Paris gave a great performance. The kids looked bored. They could have been standing on the street watching traffic go by. I think your 'grief' photos are few compared to the whole lot. I've been back and forth many times wondering if the Jackson's were grieving, but there not! Ironically, your video convinces even more so that the children, especially Paris, was faking. I doubt Michael would have them on display when they are so visibly 'upset'. I would be disgusted if his children were upset and crying, while his family is giggling, smirking and smiling.

I hope that doesn't sound harsh. I don't mean it to be.  :)

I cant believe you can watch that  shit and say those kids were faking.. Didnt you get it at all? She was never crying about his death.. It was about what was done to him..

All I can say is wow.. I can seriously understand why Michael wanted to disappear.. honestly..

Bored?

wow..

Wow.  :?  I didn't say or imply the she was crying over his death. This is a hoax.  :|

Honestly, you didn't get my point, and are more concerned about your POV to understand. I think your reading too much into his children's emotional state, particularly Paris. I understand, with evidence you presented, why you feel the way you do, but I disagree. We don't know these kids. We have a hard enough time with Michael, but now people think they know and understand his kids. Their reasonings, their emotional state, their motivations for the things they do. Are you someone with insight to know?  

She absolutely must have feelings regarding the treatment her whole family gets from the media, but that does not mean that is why she was 'crying' at the memorial. That is only speculation. It's possible, but you can't know that unless you ask her. You don't know what she was thinking at the time.

I don't get it. You don't put it pass Michael to fake his death, but you can't fathom his daughter using crocodile tears.

If Michael using his children's real grief/distress to make his hoax more believable, that is digusting. It's exploitation. It's putting them on display in front of the media voltures.

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All I can say is wow.. I can seriously understand why Michael wanted to disappear.. honestly..

Regarding this...all I can say is that I expected more from you. Like Michael did this to get away from fans or people like me! You say this because I have a different view on circumstances we can only speculate about but cannot confirm. When there is evidence to support both sides! You say people need to think for themselves, yet when not in line with your's you say something like that!

That is low. I really can't believe you said that. I not trying to start stuff or planning to hold a grudge. I subscribe, and still plan to watch your videos as soon as they come out. But that comment is disrespectful.
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: Guest on December 20, 2009, 10:39:18 PM
Quote from: "teensy"
Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"
Quote from: "teensy"
I think Paris gave a great performance. The kids looked bored. They could have been standing on the street watching traffic go by. I think your 'grief' photos are few compared to the whole lot. I've been back and forth many times wondering if the Jackson's were grieving, but there not! Ironically, your video convinces even more so that the children, especially Paris, was faking. I doubt Michael would have them on display when they are so visibly 'upset'. I would be disgusted if his children were upset and crying, while his family is giggling, smirking and smiling.

I hope that doesn't sound harsh. I don't mean it to be.  :)

I cant believe you can watch that  shit and say those kids were faking.. Didnt you get it at all? She was never crying about his death.. It was about what was done to him..

All I can say is wow.. I can seriously understand why Michael wanted to disappear.. honestly..

Bored?

wow..

Wow.  :?  I didn't say or imply the she was crying over his death. This is a hoax.  :|

Honestly, you didn't get my point, and are more concerned about your POV to understand. I think your reading too much into his children's emotional state, particularly Paris. I understand, with evidence you presented, why you feel the way you do, but I disagree. We don't know these kids. We have a hard enough time with Michael, but now people think they know and understand his kids. Their reasonings, their emotional state, their motivations for the things they do. Are you someone with insight to know?  

She absolutely must have feelings regarding the treatment her whole family gets from the media, but that does not mean that is why she was 'crying' at the memorial. That is only speculation. It's possible, but you can't know that unless you ask her. You don't know what she was thinking at the time.

I don't get it. You don't put it pass Michael to fake his death, but you can't fathom his daughter using crocodile tears.

If Michael using his children's real grief/distress to make his hoax more believable, that is digusting. It's exploitation. It's putting them on display in front of the media voltures.

Quote
All I can say is wow.. I can seriously understand why Michael wanted to disappear.. honestly..

Regarding this...all I can say is that I expected more from you. Like Michael did this to get away from fans or people like me! You say this because I have a different view on circumstances we can only speculate about but cannot confirm. When there is evidence to support both sides! You say people need to think for themselves, yet when not in line with your's you say something like that!

That is low. I really can't believe you said that. I not trying to start stuff or planning to hold a grudge. I subscribe, and still plan to watch your videos as soon as they come out. But that comment is disrespectful.


Paris is an extremely extremely sensitive topic to me... All of Michaels children are..

I'm sorry if you think I was disrespectful.. I'm sorry if you think that I got pissed at you because you didn't "agree" with me..

That is hardly the case at all..

Im not going to argue with you or fight with you because that is not what we are here for...

Just like you say I shouldn't "assume" to know anything about the emotional state of Michael's children.. Well, honestly you shouldn't assume that I "don't" know..

One thing that needs to be stressed is that you NEVER know who is behind these videos or who is in the know of anything....

It's just silly to assume..

I'm not reading too much into anything... I make these videos for a reason and its not just for shits and giggles..

That's nice that you don't intend to "unsubscribe"...  I wouldn't mind if you did...

Honestly? If every person on my channel unsubscribed right at this second I wouldn't flinch..

I appreciate the love, the support, the encouragement.. The feedback.. Really I do..

But my purpose is to simply put out there what I know....

You talk about opinions?

It's my opinion that anybody that knows anything about what Michael has been through, should completely relate to Paris..

Its not using her.. Its not "exploitation" for a hoax..

She is an almost 12 year old young lady.. She got on the stage and told the world that her father is AMAZING.. Despite what people have said about him... He is a GOOD person..
Paris is 11.. Im going to go out on a limb here and say that she is VERY much like her father.. Sensitive.. She got emotional and she cried.. It doesnt have anything to do with the "hoax"..
What was needed to be said was said.. But she is smart.. "I love him so much"...

Daddy "has" been not "was"... She's smart

But her emotions were real.

Don't believe that.. I don't care if you don't believe it.. But it is MY opinion that anybody that could say she was faking, isn't getting it..
Thats all..

As far as your previous comment about there only being a "few" pictures of these children looking upset? Browse through them again..

Paris= Very smart... Knows how to work a camera...but was still upset about this

Prince=Pissed off... (i'll get to this in a later video)

Blanket= very scared and confused by what was going on

final conclusion= EXTREMELY real emotions coming from those children..

What the HELL would be boring about that day??? Even if Michael was sitting there as himself....

yeah..

I have nothing else to say on this.. You are free to think for yourself..

Again.. I encourage that..

ok i'll shut up now..
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: serendipity on December 21, 2009, 07:35:24 AM
Thank you very much for all the vids! I find them excellent works! Talking about MJ's kids is really a very sensitive topic. I must agree with what you've said in your vid about Paris. Frankly, even before I've seen this vid, I've had similar thoughts and anlysis regarding what she said at the memorial. It was really rather odd that she didn't mention about missing her dad...in my opinion, what she said was "safe" enough and of course, "expected" of her to say...Of course, it was especially heartbreaking to hear that in that "occasion.."
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: teensy on December 21, 2009, 01:40:02 PM
Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"

Paris is an extremely extremely sensitive topic to me... All of Michaels children are..

I'm have no issue with that at all.

Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"
I'm sorry if you think I was disrespectful.. I'm sorry if you think that I got pissed at you because you didn't "agree" with me..

That is hardly the case at all..

Im not going to argue with you or fight with you because that is not what we are here for...

You were disrespectful in your comments to me. I was offended enough to comment about it. That's where I have an issue. I don't comment on everything I agree or disagree with regarding the hoax. I just keep things in the back of my mind, and maybe or maybe not things will be presented that convinces me of an idea or debunk it.

When you apologize, you should do so for things you have done. Don't apologize for my thinking you offended me. Don't use 'if' as if my feelings are hypothetical. You didn't even have to say you were sorry, but only needed to clarify your statements. It would have then been up to me to apologize for misunderstanding. If you are sorry, that means you acknowledge the offence and are apologizing for it. There is no "if you feel" or "if you think." (I'm sorry. I do feel I'm sorta stepping over the line with this.  :? )

Anyways, we came here to discuss the hoax, but some discussion are more spirited  than others.  ;)


Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"
Just like you say I shouldn't "assume" to know anything about the emotional state of Michael's children.. Well, honestly you shouldn't assume that I "don't" know..

One thing that needs to be stressed is that you NEVER know who is behind these videos or who is in the know of anything....

It's just silly to assume..

I only KNOW that there are Youtube accounts with persons posting videos pertaining to Michael Jackson hoaxing his death. I don't presume to know more about you than that. Insider or not, what you present is all I can interpret.


Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"
I'm not reading too much into anything... I make these videos for a reason and its not just for shits and giggles..

That's nice that you don't intend to "unsubscribe"...  I wouldn't mind if you did...

Honestly? If every person on my channel unsubscribed right at this second I wouldn't flinch..

I appreciate the love, the support, the encouragement.. The feedback.. Really I do..

But my purpose is to simply put out there what I know....

People watch your videos because you have good insight that earned their respect. I don't agree on everything. That's just that.  :)


Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"
You talk about opinions?

It's my opinion that anybody that knows anything about what Michael has been through, should completely relate to Paris..

Its not using her.. Its not "exploitation" for a hoax..

She is an almost 12 year old young lady.. She got on the stage and told the world that her father is AMAZING.. Despite what people have said about him... He is a GOOD person..
Paris is 11.. Im going to go out on a limb here and say that she is VERY much like her father.. Sensitive.. She got emotional and she cried.. It doesnt have anything to do with the "hoax"..
What was needed to be said was said.. But she is smart.. "I love him so much"...

Daddy "has" been not "was"... She's smart

But her emotions were real.

Don't believe that.. I don't care if you don't believe it.. But it is MY opinion that anybody that could say she was faking, isn't getting it..
Thats all..

You shouldn't assume that people who think she was faking doesn't get it. It would be just as wrong for me to assume that since your so extremely, extremely sensitive regarding his children that you have become deluded and read too much into every emotion they display.

I find your reasonings sound and well presented, but I disagree.


Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"
As far as your previous comment about there only being a "few" pictures of these children looking upset? Browse through them again..

Paris= Very smart... Knows how to work a camera...but was still upset about this

Prince=Pissed off... (i'll get to this in a later video)

Blanket= very scared and confused by what was going on

final conclusion= EXTREMELY real emotions coming from those children..

What the HELL would be boring about that day??? Even if Michael was sitting there as himself....

yeah..

I have nothing else to say on this.. You are free to think for yourself..

Again.. I encourage that..

ok i'll shut up now..

Well, I'll keep looking. If I'm wrong I wouldn't be ashamed to admit it. We discuss to sharpen each other and to refine.  :D
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: Guest on December 21, 2009, 02:09:43 PM
Quote from: "teensy"
Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"

Paris is an extremely extremely sensitive topic to me... All of Michaels children are..

I'm have no issue with that at all.

Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"
I'm sorry if you think I was disrespectful.. I'm sorry if you think that I got pissed at you because you didn't "agree" with me..

That is hardly the case at all..

Im not going to argue with you or fight with you because that is not what we are here for...

You were disrespectful in your comments to me. I was offended enough to comment about it. That's where I have an issue. I don't comment on everything I agree or disagree with regarding the hoax. I just keep things in the back of my mind, and maybe or maybe not things will be presented that convinces me of an idea or debunk it.

When you apologize, you should do so for things you have done. Don't apologize for my thinking you offended me. Don't use 'if' as if my feelings are hypothetical. You didn't even have to say you were sorry, but only needed to clarify your statements. It would have then been up to me to apologize for misunderstanding. If you are sorry, that means you acknowledge the offence and are apologizing for it. There is no "if you feel" or "if you think." (I'm sorry. I do feel I'm sorta stepping over the line with this.  :? )

Anyways, we came here to discuss the hoax, but some discussion are more spirited  than others.  ;)


Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"
Just like you say I shouldn't "assume" to know anything about the emotional state of Michael's children.. Well, honestly you shouldn't assume that I "don't" know..

One thing that needs to be stressed is that you NEVER know who is behind these videos or who is in the know of anything....

It's just silly to assume..

I only KNOW that there are Youtube accounts with persons posting videos pertaining to Michael Jackson hoaxing his death. I don't presume to know more about you than that. Insider or not, what you present is all I can interpret.


Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"
I'm not reading too much into anything... I make these videos for a reason and its not just for shits and giggles..

That's nice that you don't intend to "unsubscribe"...  I wouldn't mind if you did...

Honestly? If every person on my channel unsubscribed right at this second I wouldn't flinch..

I appreciate the love, the support, the encouragement.. The feedback.. Really I do..

But my purpose is to simply put out there what I know....

People watch your videos because you have good insight that earned their respect. I don't agree on everything. That's just that.  :)


Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"
You talk about opinions?

It's my opinion that anybody that knows anything about what Michael has been through, should completely relate to Paris..

Its not using her.. Its not "exploitation" for a hoax..

She is an almost 12 year old young lady.. She got on the stage and told the world that her father is AMAZING.. Despite what people have said about him... He is a GOOD person..
Paris is 11.. Im going to go out on a limb here and say that she is VERY much like her father.. Sensitive.. She got emotional and she cried.. It doesnt have anything to do with the "hoax"..
What was needed to be said was said.. But she is smart.. "I love him so much"...

Daddy "has" been not "was"... She's smart

But her emotions were real.

Don't believe that.. I don't care if you don't believe it.. But it is MY opinion that anybody that could say she was faking, isn't getting it..
Thats all..

You shouldn't assume that people who think she was faking doesn't get it. It would be just as wrong for me to assume that since your so extremely, extremely sensitive regarding his children that you have become deluded and read too much into every emotion they display.

I find your reasonings sound and well presented, but I disagree.


Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"
As far as your previous comment about there only being a "few" pictures of these children looking upset? Browse through them again..

Paris= Very smart... Knows how to work a camera...but was still upset about this

Prince=Pissed off... (i'll get to this in a later video)

Blanket= very scared and confused by what was going on

final conclusion= EXTREMELY real emotions coming from those children..

What the HELL would be boring about that day??? Even if Michael was sitting there as himself....

yeah..

I have nothing else to say on this.. You are free to think for yourself..

Again.. I encourage that..

ok i'll shut up now..

Well, I'll keep looking. If I'm wrong I wouldn't be ashamed to admit it. We discuss to sharpen each other and to refine.  :D


Whatever "teensy"... Again.. Get the last word in.. I don't even remotely give a flying F***..

If anything i'm really really amused.. I love to see people go against the grain.. Even when they are completely wrong.. But I tell you what.. You can have this one.. I know what I know and I know what you will never begin to understand something that you don't know.. Does that make sense? It's not meant as an insult...

I hope you continue to be etertained by my videos and my analysis...

No hard feelings at all.. Really..

 8-)
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: teensy on December 21, 2009, 05:27:21 PM
Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"
Whatever "teensy"... Again.. Get the last word in.. I don't even remotely give a flying F***..

If anything i'm really really amused.. I love to see people go against the grain.. Even when they are completely wrong.. But I tell you what.. You can have this one.. I know what I know and I know what you will never begin to understand something that you don't know.. Does that make sense? It's not meant as an insult...

I hope you continue to be etertained by my videos and my analysis...

No hard feelings at all.. Really..

 8-)


Wow!  :lol:  

I've said that I'm open to your opinion, even though I don't agree, but I can't believe your eagerness to pigeon-hole me as someone who doesn't get it, who can't understand, and who's out of touch. I'm surprized at you. I wonder what you must think of people who don't believe there is a hoax. Well, what I've learned through all this is that people learn things in their own time. What you know presently doesn't give you the right to look down on others.

I don't look at your videos for entertainment purposes. While I do enjoy them, I am interested in Michael's welfare and his plan. I watch because I'm convinced, through evidence and reasoning that there is a hoax.

If you really didn't care, you wouldn't have responded to my first comment.

That can be that last word!  :lol:
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: Hotgirl1 on December 21, 2009, 05:54:19 PM
Wow!!!! What's going on here? we are all here to learn and investigate....come on family, it is not that serious....I mean really, it doesn't even have to come down to this. SMH! :shock:
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: awesome1 on December 21, 2009, 06:11:19 PM
Well Michael did confide in Paris, well pretty much every fear he had in the past few months.... i remember reading that he told her that he feared for his life, that people were out to get him... and that he might not be around for much longer.  i think it was in The Sun that i read it.  but yeah a very intellignent girl no doubt.  and i agree that those emotions were real.... like a huge 2 fingers to the media.

Stick it to 'em Paris
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: Hotgirl1 on December 21, 2009, 06:39:49 PM
Quote from: "awesome1"
Well Michael did confide in Paris, well pretty much every fear he had in the past few months.... i remember reading that he told her that he feared for his life, that people were out to get him... and that he might not be around for much longer.  i think it was in The Sun that i read it.  but yeah a very intellignent girl no doubt.  and i agree that those emotions were real.... like a huge 2 fingers to the media.

Stick it to 'em Paris
I remember an insiders close to Mike  back during the trial in 05 talking about the fact that even though he was sick and stressed out about the events surrounding his case that when he got home he never let his children see him without a smile on his face and that he tried his best to make things appear as normal as possible even though those children very well may have sensed something was wrong...with that said I truly doubt that this man would heap his burdens and concerns on a child who has enough to deal with living her life in fish bowl of which she did not asked to be brought into in the first place. Sorry I have to disagree with you on this.
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: awesome1 on December 21, 2009, 06:50:27 PM
Quote from: "Hotgirl1"
Quote from: "awesome1"
Well Michael did confide in Paris, well pretty much every fear he had in the past few months.... i remember reading that he told her that he feared for his life, that people were out to get him... and that he might not be around for much longer.  i think it was in The Sun that i read it.  but yeah a very intellignent girl no doubt.  and i agree that those emotions were real.... like a huge 2 fingers to the media.

Stick it to 'em Paris
I remember an insiders close to Mike  back during the trial in 05 talking about the fact that even though he was sick and stressed out about the events surrounding his case that when he got home he never let his children see him without a smile on his face and that he tried his best to make things appear as normal as possible even though those children very well may have sensed something was wrong...with that said I truly doubt that this man would heap his burdens and concerns on a child who has enough to deal with living her life in fish bowl of which she did not asked to be brought into in the first place. Sorry I have to disagree with you on this.

yes i can see your point on this and im not going to say that your wrong, and at the same time not going to say im right either, but who knows wether he did or not, may have been just another media story.  everyone is entilted to their opinions .

now if this is a hoax and looking at this in hoax terms, was michael warning his children what he was going to do... if i can find the article on the internet i will post it as soon as i can
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: Hotgirl1 on December 21, 2009, 06:58:05 PM
cool!
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: Guest on December 21, 2009, 07:30:23 PM
Jesus Christ.. I just wrote a long response and it got deleted.. I'm annoyed..

Opinions are Opinions and who the F*** knows what is really going on in this?

If one did know, why would they bother to reflect those facts on a forum where they would be shot down and accused of having a superiority complex?

I highly HIGHLY doubt that Michael Jackson's children are anything LESS than the child prodigys that he once was..

Michael Jackson's children was/are his entire world.. The only people that he can really trust and count on his life..

I know of how Prince often sat in on business meetings with his father... I know how Prince has been pretty much "the go to man" for the past year in most things concerning Michael..

Michael Jacksons children don't love the "image" like us.. They love and know the man that is their daddy..

I will NEVER believe that his children are not FULLY aware of what is going on around him and I will also never believe that Michael hid any emotion from his children..

You look at them and can tell that  they are very self aware even at a young age and I have researched VARIOUS articles of interviews with body guards/staff and i've spoken to people that know a lot about Michael on a personal level and have a lot of insight into the upbringing of his children... They are highly intelligent and much much wiser than most children their age..

This being an extremely sensitve topic, I was very apprehensive about even doing the videos on the children... But unfotunately, they play a very huge role in this message and I had to do what I had to do to make that known..

Teensy, no I really REALLY don't care what you think about me..

I posted a video and you made a response to that.. It's my topic so of course I felt obligated to respond back to that comment.. I don't run about this forum making trivial comments about people's post and I only say things when it concerns my posts.. It doesn't mean I care about your opinion.. It means that i'm responding to a post about my topic... It's really nothing personal and i wasn't attacking you..

I LOVE people that don't believe in the hoax!!! It makes my job even BETTER.. So just thought i'd tend to your curiousity about that :).

@Hotgirl.. You are right, this is NOT that serious at all..

We are all here (id like to think) for the same reason, to figure out what happened to Michael on June 25th 2009....
But also you mentioned what an insider had said.. But if you watch my recent video you will see that Paris was very aware that Michael was sick.. Hence her writing what she wrote on the board about him being sick and getting well soon... He didn't hide things from them and the proof is in that documentary.



 Some of us are in different positions with this.. That's all.. Some people know things.. Some people know nothing.. It doesn't make anyone better..


L.O.V.E  

Listen Observe Verify Evolve :)

That's all im saying..

That being said, you guys have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

I know I will ;)
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: Hotgirl1 on December 22, 2009, 10:01:22 AM
Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"

@Hotgirl.. You are right, this is NOT that serious at all..

We are all here (id like to think) for the same reason, to figure out what happened to Michael on June 25th 2009....
But also you mentioned what an insider had said.. But if you watch my recent video you will see that Paris was very aware that Michael was sick.. Hence her writing what she wrote on the board about him being sick and getting well soon... He didn't hide things from them and the proof is in that documentary.




Hello TSM.

I just want to say that I understand where your coming from as it relates to the children and YES they are very highly intelligent young people....I'm not debating that and if you would re read what I said I'm saying the same things you just posted in the your quote above.

Quote from: "Hotgirl1"
I remember an insiders close to Mike back during the trial in 05 talking about the fact that even though he was sick and stressed out about the events surrounding his case that when he got home he never let his children see him without a smile on his face and that he tried his best to make things appear as normal as possible even though those children very well may have sensed something was wrong...with that said I truly doubt that this man would heap his burdens and concerns on a child who has enough to deal with living her life in fish bowl of which she did not asked to be brought into in the first place. Sorry I have to disagree with you on this.
All I'm saying is there is a better way to go about this without arguing with one another....that's all. :cry:

And you have a Marry Christmas as well and that's real talk. ;)
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: Guest on December 22, 2009, 11:08:20 AM
Quote from: "Hotgirl1"
Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"

@Hotgirl.. You are right, this is NOT that serious at all..

We are all here (id like to think) for the same reason, to figure out what happened to Michael on June 25th 2009....
But also you mentioned what an insider had said.. But if you watch my recent video you will see that Paris was very aware that Michael was sick.. Hence her writing what she wrote on the board about him being sick and getting well soon... He didn't hide things from them and the proof is in that documentary.




Hello TSM.

I just want to say that I understand where your coming from as it relates to the children and YES they are very highly intelligent young people....I'm not debating that and if you would re read what I said I'm saying the same things you just posted in the your quote above.

Quote from: "Hotgirl1"
I remember an insiders close to Mike back during the trial in 05 talking about the fact that even though he was sick and stressed out about the events surrounding his case that when he got home he never let his children see him without a smile on his face and that he tried his best to make things appear as normal as possible even though those children very well may have sensed something was wrong...with that said I truly doubt that this man would heap his burdens and concerns on a child who has enough to deal with living her life in fish bowl of which she did not asked to be brought into in the first place. Sorry I have to disagree with you on this.
All I'm saying is there is a better way to go about this without arguing with one another....that's all. :cry:

And you have a Marry Christmas as well and that's real talk. ;)


I got you.. Im sorry I read you wrong.. My apology.
Thanks. You have a good one!! Eat lots of turkey!! OMG I LOVE TURKEY!!!  :P
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: teensy on December 22, 2009, 07:49:23 PM
Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"
Jesus Christ.. I just wrote a long response and it got deleted.. I'm annoyed..

Opinions are Opinions and who the F*** knows what is really going on in this?

 :?  But you said you know and understand.

Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"
If one did know, why would they bother to reflect those facts on a forum where they would be shot down and accused of having a superiority complex?

I don't think you have one. I felt you put me down and had to defend myself.

Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"
I highly HIGHLY doubt that Michael Jackson's children are anything LESS than the child prodigys that he once was..

Michael Jackson's children was/are his entire world.. The only people that he can really trust and count on his life..

I know of how Prince often sat in on business meetings with his father... I know how Prince has been pretty much "the go to man" for the past year in most things concerning Michael..

Michael Jacksons children don't love the "image" like us.. They love and know the man that is their daddy..

I don't expect more from them than to be kids, not even a prodigy. I feel uncomfortable comparing them to their father. To me it's a disservice.Their talents are their own.

Children should count on their parents, not parents counting on tweenage children. He knows/experienced that kind of pressure. Why do that to his children?

Children sitting in on a parents business meeting or exposed to their business dealings is not uncommon, especially those of their economic class. As for being "the go to man"... :?  ok

I don't know why you bring up the "image." They love their father,  because he is their father. I bet, and by all accounts, he's a great dad.  :)


Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"
I will NEVER believe that his children are not FULLY aware of what is going on around him and I will also never believe that Michael hid any emotion from his children..

You look at them and can tell that  they are very self aware even at a young age and I have researched VARIOUS articles of interviews with body guards/staff and i've spoken to people that know a lot about Michael on a personal level and have a lot of insight into the upbringing of his children... They are highly intelligent and much much wiser than most children their age..

Who said whether they were fully aware or not? I know that Michael would never expose his children to things beyond their years to handle and cope with. That's just part of being a good parent.

They were raised to be that way, have to be that way. Michael grew up with the media in his face. He had to teach his children what he knows. Anyways, they have the best education money can buy. Michael makes sure of that. He loves to study and learn himself.

Who are these people to be telling you about his kids? That's disturbing.  :?


Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"
This being an extremely sensitve topic, I was very apprehensive about even doing the videos on the children... But unfotunately, they play a very huge role in this message and I had to do what I had to do to make that known..

Teensy, no I really REALLY don't care what you think about me..

If you didn't you wouldn't even go as far to say that. Have I offended you I some way?


Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"
I posted a video and you made a response to that.. It's my topic so of course I felt obligated to respond back to that comment.. I don't run about this forum making trivial comments about people's post and I only say things when it concerns my posts.. It doesn't mean I care about your opinion.. It means that i'm responding to a post about my topic... It's really nothing personal and i wasn't attacking you..

If you didn't care you wouldn't have responded. Just because someone posts in your thread doesn't mean it elicits a response. I've posted in your threads before and the only time you responded was when I disagreed with you. Whether you meant to or not, you insulted me.

I respect you opinion. It's well thought out and reasonable. I don't argue with your sources or research. We are just not of the same opinion.


Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"
Some of us are in different positions with this.. That's all.. Some people know things.. Some people know nothing.. It doesn't make anyone better..

This is what I'm talking about. I guess I'm just too sensitive about your comments directed to me. Usually, I brush things off. I'm just astonished that you...I guess I had ideas about the kind of person you were from your videos and interviews. I didn't think you  would respond to me that way. It's silly. I guess I held you in higher esteem than I thought. Now, it seems to be tarnished some. No grudge.  :cry:
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: Guest on December 22, 2009, 11:13:25 PM
Quote from: "teensy"
Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"
Jesus Christ.. I just wrote a long response and it got deleted.. I'm annoyed..

Opinions are Opinions and who the F*** knows what is really going on in this?

 :?  But you said you know and understand.

Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"
If one did know, why would they bother to reflect those facts on a forum where they would be shot down and accused of having a superiority complex?

I don't think you have one. I felt you put me down and had to defend myself.

Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"
I highly HIGHLY doubt that Michael Jackson's children are anything LESS than the child prodigys that he once was..

Michael Jackson's children was/are his entire world.. The only people that he can really trust and count on his life..

I know of how Prince often sat in on business meetings with his father... I know how Prince has been pretty much "the go to man" for the past year in most things concerning Michael..

Michael Jacksons children don't love the "image" like us.. They love and know the man that is their daddy..

I don't expect more from them than to be kids, not even a prodigy. I feel uncomfortable comparing them to their father. To me it's a disservice.Their talents are their own.

Children should count on their parents, not parents counting on tweenage children. He knows/experienced that kind of pressure. Why do that to his children?

Children sitting in on a parents business meeting or exposed to their business dealings is not uncommon, especially those of their economic class. As for being "the go to man"... :?  ok

I don't know why you bring up the "image." They love their father,  because he is their father. I bet, and by all accounts, he's a great dad.  :)


Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"
I will NEVER believe that his children are not FULLY aware of what is going on around him and I will also never believe that Michael hid any emotion from his children..

You look at them and can tell that  they are very self aware even at a young age and I have researched VARIOUS articles of interviews with body guards/staff and i've spoken to people that know a lot about Michael on a personal level and have a lot of insight into the upbringing of his children... They are highly intelligent and much much wiser than most children their age..

Who said whether they were fully aware or not? I know that Michael would never expose his children to things beyond their years to handle and cope with. That's just part of being a good parent.

They were raised to be that way, have to be that way. Michael grew up with the media in his face. He had to teach his children what he knows. Anyways, they have the best education money can buy. Michael makes sure of that. He loves to study and learn himself.

Who are these people to be telling you about his kids? That's disturbing.  :?


Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"
This being an extremely sensitve topic, I was very apprehensive about even doing the videos on the children... But unfotunately, they play a very huge role in this message and I had to do what I had to do to make that known..

Teensy, no I really REALLY don't care what you think about me..

If you didn't you wouldn't even go as far to say that. Have I offended you I some way?


Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"
I posted a video and you made a response to that.. It's my topic so of course I felt obligated to respond back to that comment.. I don't run about this forum making trivial comments about people's post and I only say things when it concerns my posts.. It doesn't mean I care about your opinion.. It means that i'm responding to a post about my topic... It's really nothing personal and i wasn't attacking you..

If you didn't care you wouldn't have responded. Just because someone posts in your thread doesn't mean it elicits a response. I've posted in your threads before and the only time you responded was when I disagreed with you. Whether you meant to or not, you insulted me.

I respect you opinion. It's well thought out and reasonable. I don't argue with your sources or research. We are just not of the same opinion.


Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"
Some of us are in different positions with this.. That's all.. Some people know things.. Some people know nothing.. It doesn't make anyone better..

This is what I'm talking about. I guess I'm just too sensitive about your comments directed to me. Usually, I brush things off. I'm just astonished that you...I guess I had ideas about the kind of person you were from your videos and interviews. I didn't think you  would respond to me that way. It's silly. I guess I held you in higher esteem than I thought. Now, it seems to be tarnished some. No grudge.  :cry:


Ok "teensy" ok....

I know who I am.. The right people know who I am....

You create some hug scenario that doesn't really exisist...

It's amusing.. It's funny.. Because really, it's not THAT serious..

The only thing that I want to say to you is that there is absolutely "nothing" disturbing about my relationship with people that advise me of certain things.. Nobody is "telling" me anything.. I know people that are aware of the relationship that he had with his children.. It doesn't mean some creepo is running to me like giving me the inside scoop on MJ's personal life.. It means that there are people that really admire and respect MJ as a father and have no problem at all with discussing that with people who have a genuine interest in knowing so..

You know that Michael would never expose his children to things beyond their years? Really? Do you think a chronological age means anything in the mind of genius child? Michael has always made sure it was important for his children to be CHILDREN first, but that certainly does not mean that they are not HIGHLY aware of worldly things.. You can trust and believe that...

I never compared his children to them..  Michael has said  SEVERAL times that he would encourage his children to do BETTER than he ever has.... I get that.. You obviously don't... And YOU are twisting what I said around to make the situation look like something that it is not.. This was common in Michael's life.. So yeah.. ok


Stop twisting things and trying to seriously make this entire thread into something that it's not.. I like used to do stuff like that on forums when I was 13...

We have different opinions.. Fine.. Cool.. Good.

I'm not responding to you anymore because this is not the "teensy" and "maura" show..

This forum is about Michael and not taking out the measuring tape to see who's "opinions" are bigger..

You can keep going if you want to.. But I know what I know and you just like to argue for some really weird reason.. But you should be productive with that.. Use those debate skills to make a change in this world and not argue over if Paris Jackson was actually crying and what a bitch I am..
Im being serious.. Im not responding or even opening this thread back up..

It's gone far enough

Have a good holiday..

Night.
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: teensy on December 23, 2009, 11:29:46 AM
Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"
The only thing that I want to say to you is that there is absolutely "nothing" disturbing about my relationship with people that advise me of certain things.. Nobody is "telling" me anything.. I know people that are aware of the relationship that he had with his children.. It doesn't mean some creepo is running to me like giving me the inside scoop on MJ's personal life.. It means that there are people that really admire and respect MJ as a father and have no problem at all with discussing that with people who have a genuine interest in knowing so..

It's not any of my business what they say to you or not. If you want to share what you learn, that's your right as well. And I think a lot better of you than to believe that you would listen to a bunch of creepos. And just because it's nice things does not mean they aren't saying too much.

Quote
Stop twisting things and trying to seriously make this entire thread into something that it's not.. I like used to do stuff like that on forums when I was 13...

If you look at your first response to me, that's what it's about. Your right, I must be immature to have responded to you the first time.

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We have different opinions.. Fine.. Cool.. Good.

This forum is about Michael and not taking out the measuring tape to see who's "opinions" are bigger..

I know what this forum is for. No need to tell me.

This... our post aren't about a different in opinion.

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You can keep going if you want to.. But I know what I know and you just like to argue for some really weird reason.. But you should be productive with that.. Use those debate skills to make a change in this world and not argue over if Paris Jackson was actually crying and what a bitch I am..

I wasn't responding to myself.  :D

Why can't we debate about whether Paris was crying or not? Is that off limits? Are we not suppose to question everything? Should I not question your sources and research? Is challenging your opinions and speculations off limits because of your status as a video maker? Your the one who brought up his children in the first place. Your making videos about them.

No, I don't think your that at all. I just find that your first response to me was petty  and simple-minded. There was no substance to what you said and didn't need to be said at all. You offended me. I couldn't believe you had the nerve to say what you did.

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Im being serious.. Im not responding or even opening this thread back up..

Ok. :roll:  It's good, because I think you've misunderstood me in all this. You don't care, so this is pretty much over. This is over. Nothing to carry on about.

Also, I'm immature enough to be glad I get the last word!  :lol:
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: rayvyn on December 23, 2009, 06:17:34 PM
Also, I'm immature enough to be glad I get the last word! :lol:

Too funny!
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: Guest on December 23, 2009, 07:27:04 PM
Quote from: "rayvyn"
Also, I'm immature enough to be glad I get the last word! :lol:

Too funny!


L.O.V.E....
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: teensy on December 24, 2009, 10:27:48 AM
Wow.  :shock: It's okay. I just won't respond anyone. :roll:

We seem to be people who like to rise to the occasion.  :D
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: truth_prevails on December 26, 2009, 03:17:38 PM
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You know that Michael would never expose his children to things beyond their years? Really? Do you think a chronological age means anything in the mind of genius child? Michael has always made sure it was important for his children to be CHILDREN first, but that certainly does not mean that they are not HIGHLY aware of worldly things.. You can trust and believe that...
I think you are very right about that...Paris is very mature and she has a serious look on her face for her age. Children know when things are wrong and being a "good father" doesn t always mean to keep everything away from them and leave them wondering in the dark...it also means to make a decision about what and when your children are able to handle and accept whats going on in the adult world. Michael HAD to prepare his children at apretty early age, if you ask me, for they are MICHAEL JACKSON s children and the world will NOT look at them as non-connected-individuals but as MJ s children. This might not be how it should be but its the way the world works. since we assume MJ was planning the hoax, we also must assume he gave his children as much knowledge about it as he had to and as little as absolutely neccessary.
Being a good father to his children means preparing them for life, which is a lot harder for MJ to do as for a lot of people, preparing them to deal with publicity,media a.s.o....
I still believe that Michael also left his children enough time to be children, probably more than most parents do....

I know there was quite a little disagreement going on on this threat, so i wasn t sure to post, but i wanted MAURA to know that I think she was doing a great job with her video and that it was okay to include the children as long as its in a respectful manner, which it certainly was ;)
Keep up the good work, can t wait to see your last two vids ( couldnt yet, since I m in Germany)

Happy Holidays  :)
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: icebluestarlight on December 26, 2009, 04:05:08 PM
I think Paris was just fiddling with her hair I think she had been told to cover her face so people could not tell what she was saying.  Maybe that is why she looks like she is talking to her purse. Maybe the kids were not told he was alive until after the memorial and the emotions were real who knows.
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: LiberianGirl on December 26, 2009, 08:10:47 PM
I'm loving your vids girl. Thank you :)
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: littleItalygirl on December 28, 2009, 01:43:34 AM
i just love all her video's and piano games too!!!! i really want to see jonell star but dont think i.ll be able to. whatever the case, i hope she has something big!!! i can hardley wait.  everbody go watch the video's!  im holding my breath!
Title: Re: New Video 24
Post by: mjboogie on December 29, 2009, 02:10:58 PM
Hey guys all for L.O.V.E>! Let us just think of our beloved MJ. We all love him right? Back to the earpieces. .. um..... Didn't the jackson brothers all have one on. I remember Jermaine especially having one on (when he was up there singing the smile song?) And I do recall him having one on during the burial? IDK But lets do some thinking here. I mean if anyone in the family was wearing an earpiece why? WHy would they need one? Just wondering. thanks. I believe it was too far away for us to tell if Paris had on one. But it certainly could be plausible. Don't FBI men wear earpieces ? Hmmmmmmm.
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