Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => The Redirects => TIAI => The Plan (Qanon, TIAI, BACK) => TIAI ~ 2011 => Topic started by: ~Souza~ on January 02, 2011, 03:28:55 PM
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MJ Fans: Oprah's Molestation Show Is No 'Coincidence'
11/3/2010 4:30 PM PDT by TMZ Staff
An official MJ fan group ain't buying Oprah's "purely coincidental" excuse -- telling us, they are "angry and disappointed" that she's airing her interview with MJ's kids days after a special on child molestation.
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A rep for the Official Michael Jackson Fans of Southern California tells TMZ, “We are both angry and disappointed in Oprah’s constant need to reference child molestation shows prior to airing Michael Jackson related episodes. Her tone seems to speak volumes.”
Oprah called the whole thing "purely coincidental" ... but MJ fans aren't convinced. The rep adds, “How can something so obvious be a coincidence?"
As we previously reported, Oprah's big interview with Michael Jackson's children is scheduled to air next Monday -- three days after Friday's big show ... entitled "200 Adult Men Who Were Molested Come Forward."
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I wonder if this is a "There are no coincidences, only the illusion of coincidence" reference.
The episode the article refers to "200 Adult Men Who Were Molested Come Forward," aired on November 5th.
Remember remember the fifth of November.
I don't think this re-direct has anything to do with molestation but with eerie coincidences. And it makes me wonder even more just how much Oprah is involved in the hoax.
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I love KOinkiDances :lol:
“How can something so obvious be a coincidence?"
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Indeed...
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A Michael Jackson/Oprah Winfrey business MERGER would be extremely powerful!
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Thank You TS
The Oprah show was definitely not a cooincidence ;) I agree!
Molestation show on the 5th November (V Day) --- 3 days before the interview with MJ's Kids ( 3 turns 6 into 9 - reversal of power)
I think that this redirect tells us that the Vendetta we are going to witness in 2011 has got a lot to do with the molestation charges. "They" tried to destroy him by going for what was at the heart of his being, his Love for children. They nearly succeeded but He somehow survived and NOW, He is going for "them".
We are with You Michael... all the way!
With L.O.V.E
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I don't think Oprah is on the good side because of her accusations against him and stuff like mentioned in the article. I think she has no idea that he is still alive. IF I am wrong and she IS on Mike's side, she either had a huge change of heart or she has always said what she said for a purpose.
I think TS wants to point out that indeed, if something is SO obvious, that it can never be a coincidence anymore. And with that not only the Oprah issue is meant.
I think there is also a possibility that Jordy may start talking soon and explain the world that Mike never touched him in an inappropriate way and that the whole thing was pure extortion. And I really hope he will.
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“How can something so obvious be a coincidence?"
In other words, "Oprah is all of a sudden taking huge interest in the life and affairs of Michael Jackson, two years after his death... and it's not about Conrad Murray. You think this is a coincidence?"
To me this is screaming partnership. I think they're helping each other. Michael gets additional help with the hoax and air-time (keeping him relevant), Oprah gets more viewers. Win-win scenario.
JMHO, of course.
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Okay it's not a coincidence... Okay, I will bet that Oprah and her show are being used to reveal the conspiracy existing in medialand against Michael and how they like to portray him and keep on insisting with this despite he's been proven innocent beyond the shadow of a doubt and how they themselves participated in the making of this false image. We are in the belly of the beast so to speak ... sorry if I'm off track.
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Can someone please give me a valid reason why Mike would trust Oprah? I can't find one, no matter how hard I look...
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Can someone please give me a valid reason why Mike would trust Oprah? I can't find one, no matter how hard I look...
Trust Oprah with knowing he's alive or... Are you referring to something else?
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Can someone please give me a valid reason why Mike would trust Oprah? I can't find one, no matter how hard I look...
Trust Oprah with knowing he's alive or... Are you referring to something else?
In knowing/helping/being involved. Everything that has been discussed. I don't see why he would decide to work with her on this, besides the fact that she has a lot of viewers. She openly doubted his innocence, even after he was acquited. I just don't see it. But maybe someone is able to convince me otherwise...
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Wasn't it Randy and Karen saying that Oprah hurt Michael?
I don't believe it was a coincedence.
Arvizo's vs MJ was hot news and Oprah jumped on it .
People always remember the bad stuff.
So she did it again.
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Ts, what do you mean?
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viewtopic.php?f=0&t=14058&p=234443#p234443 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=0&t=14058&p=234443#p234443)
This?
Now what? We get another Oprah show again?
( Oh Noes!!)
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The truth does not understand this redirection, there was agreement on the dates of the programs?, I do not know, that maybe Michael are using to Oprah in any way?, maybe. One of the most sacred things a person can have is your reputation and Oprah was one of the many people who contributed through their program to question the reputation of Michael.
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What I don't get is the fact that some of his family seems to support Oprah and some are completely against her. So, is she Team MJ or not? That is the question. It's hard to tell.
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Can someone please give me a valid reason why Mike would trust Oprah? I can't find one, no matter how hard I look...
Trust Oprah with knowing he's alive or... Are you referring to something else?
In knowing/helping/being involved. Everything that has been discussed. I don't see why he would decide to work with her on this, besides the fact that she has a lot of viewers. She openly doubted his innocence, even after he was acquited. I just don't see it. But maybe someone is able to convince me otherwise...
1. "We" do not know first hand what Michael would do or not do
2. "We" do not know first hand who He trust and who He does not trust
3. "We" do not know what is at play with the Hoax and how much risks he is prepared to take
4. "We" have already seen some unexpected media deals/associations: TMZ and Sony comes to mind
5. Oprah is influential and has a larger audience than most
6. Nobody expects an association with Oprah due to her previous comments
7. Oprah is on the last year of her show (Last one is on 9/9/11?) and will want to go out on a Bang!
8. Oprah has shown some regrets on her previous stance on Michael (Interview from September 2009)
9. For what we know Oprah may see Michael's "take-over" plans as an opportunity not to be missed.
With L.O.V.E
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I thought about it some more... We had the Vendetta video for a few days. Maybe Oprah is the first this year who will 'get her share'? Oprah exposed?
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maybe there will be just new article about this subject matter on TMZ soon?
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i think this redirect was definitely a response to the many comments on the previous redirect that said "Is Oprah in on the hoax". I'm thinking like TheRunningGirl, it was NOT a coincidence and I think the episode was placed on November 5th for an obvious reason! I agree with TheRunningGirl!! ;)
Thank You TS
The Oprah show was definitely not a cooincidence ;) I agree!
Molestation show on the 5th November (V Day) --- 3 days before the interview with MJ's Kids ( 3 turns 6 into 9 - reversal of power)
I think that this redirect tells us that the Vendetta we are going to witness in 2011 has got a lot to do with the molestation charges. "They" tried to destroy him by going for what was at the heart of his being, his Love for children. They nearly succeeded but He somehow survived and NOW, He is going for "them".
We are with You Michael... all the way!
With L.O.V.E
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Can someone please give me a valid reason why Mike would trust Oprah? I can't find one, no matter how hard I look...
Trust Oprah with knowing he's alive or... Are you referring to something else?
In knowing/helping/being involved. Everything that has been discussed. I don't see why he would decide to work with her on this, besides the fact that she has a lot of viewers. She openly doubted his innocence, even after he was acquited. I just don't see it. But maybe someone is able to convince me otherwise...
1. "We" do not know first hand what Michael would do or not do
2. "We" do not know first hand who He trust and who He does not trust
3. "We" do not know what is at play with the Hoax and how much risks he is prepared to take
4. "We" have already seen some unexpected media deals/associations: TMZ and Sony comes to mind
5. Oprah is influential and has a larger audience than most
6. Nobody expects an association with Oprah due to her previous comments
7. Oprah is on the last year of her show (Last one is on 9/9/11?) and will want to go out on a Bang!
8. Oprah has shown some regrets on her previous stance on Michael (Interview from September 2009)
9. For what we know Oprah may see Michael's "take-over" plans as an opportunity not to be missed.
With L.O.V.E
Agreed on the points, but I have never seen her regret anything (do you have a link?) and she did do it again. Again she linked molestation to Michael by her 'coincidental' planning. I agree it could all be a smokescreen, but there is just something about Oprah I just don't trust. I must say that I would love to be proven wrong here, because it might me useful to have someone like her on your side, but I'm just not sure. Maybe she should make an episode to show the whole world that he has always been innocent. Maybe I would change my mind after that.
I get your points as well. Oprah planning the molestation show on the 5th, we remember because it was right before the MJ episode, and Oprah will expose Evan Chandler/The Arvizos and maybe even Jordy speaking up on Oprah. Remember, remember. I do get it, I just need to see for myself first.
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I agree with everyone who doesn't trust Oprah. I will never believe she's had a true change of heart about Michael. She might try to fake it, but her true nature is to stand ground on what she conceives as truth. And she obviously in her heart believes Michael molested children and that Neverland, his wealth, and his child like nature were the lures. She might grin and go through all the motions but it's in her eyes. The eyes tell all.
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oh, i would actually love to see all of the ppl being exposed one-by-one with Oprah being the first.
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What I think is that Oprah showed the men being molested when they were kids, their stories and their psychological profile now and then. Those profiles did not fit Jordans or Arvizos :roll:
Michael is NOT a child molester. One can see how those who were molested reacted in her show.
Why not telling the truth? Why not pointing fingers at those who in the past and the present harmed Michael? Could no one see the trauma in Michael´s eyes as a child?
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And after?
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And the latest years?
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Sad eyes....so sad eyes :(
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Sad eyes....so sad eyes
If Gema is the common denominator in many photos of Micahel, sad eyes, Oprah contribute much at all the damage they did to Michael and that still today people still remember
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First, thank you, TS for the re-direct.
Btw: Did you all notice the time it was posted? 4:30 (that's a seven for y'a) on 11/3 (that is 14- doube 7) -- 777 (but of course, I see sevens everywhere now, so don't mind me... ;) )
I am also torn on the Oprah issue. For years I was all up against her and her blatant disregard for the truth. Even up to maybe a week ago, I would have totally agreed with Souza. Now, I am wavering. For the following reasons:
1) Her recent interest in Michael is just too obvious. All of a sudden she has Lisa, then the family, Jackie... Ok, I could argue (and I do argue with myself- it is a shrink hazard), that she is a greedy vampire after money. She could be one of the very people Lisa Marie pointed out.
2) Her incessant emphasis on the molestation charges and the drug use: At first I thought, what a bitch, she is constantly bringing that up- what is her deal? If she was not interested what else Lisa or Katherine had to say, why do the interview?- Possible answer: money and ratings. (sigh- is nothing easy here??). However, WHAT if she keeps harping on those two issues to call attention to the molestation charges -which no doubt in my mind are fuel that has energized Michael in so many ways, as his whole world, his believes, his trust, his security, his emotional and physical well being, his family were all brought to the brink. And of course, the drug use...
3) Michael seems include people on the hoax who are thus redeeming themselves in a way (Joe, Jermaine, possibly Lisa Marie, and possibly Oprah, to name some).
Or, I could just be way off, and like Souza pointed out, Oprah is just one of the first to be hit hard for all the blatant nonsense. I know this post is not utterly helpful, but being the eternal libra, I always seem to be able to see both sides of a case... :)
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What I think is that Oprah showed the men being molested when they were kids, their stories and their psychological profile now and then. Those profiles did not fit Jordans or Arvizos :roll:
Michael is NOT a child molester. One can see how those who were molested reacted in her show.
Why not telling the truth? Why not pointing fingers at those who in the past and the present harmed Michael? Could no one see the trauma in Michael´s eyes as a child?
And after?
And the latest years?
Sad eyes....so sad eyes :(
ABSOLUTELY on all points!
Funny side note: Did you guys notice that it looks in the TMZ pic that Michael is kind of sticking his tongue out at Oprah??? :lol:
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"To err is human; to forgive divine." -- Alexander Pope
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Can someone please give me a valid reason why Mike would trust Oprah? I can't find one, no matter how hard I look...
Trust Oprah with knowing he's alive or... Are you referring to something else?
In knowing/helping/being involved. Everything that has been discussed. I don't see why he would decide to work with her on this, besides the fact that she has a lot of viewers. She openly doubted his innocence, even after he was acquited. I just don't see it. But maybe someone is able to convince me otherwise...
1. "We" do not know first hand what Michael would do or not do
2. "We" do not know first hand who He trust and who He does not trust
3. "We" do not know what is at play with the Hoax and how much risks he is prepared to take
4. "We" have already seen some unexpected media deals/associations: TMZ and Sony comes to mind
5. Oprah is influential and has a larger audience than most
6. Nobody expects an association with Oprah due to her previous comments
7. Oprah is on the last year of her show (Last one is on 9/9/11?) and will want to go out on a Bang!
8. Oprah has shown some regrets on her previous stance on Michael (Interview from September 2009)
9. For what we know Oprah may see Michael's "take-over" plans as an opportunity not to be missed.
With L.O.V.E
Agreed on the points, but I have never seen her regret anything (do you have a link?) and she did do it again. Again she linked molestation to Michael by her 'coincidental' planning. I agree it could all be a smokescreen, but there is just something about Oprah I just don't trust. I must say that I would love to be proven wrong here, because it might me useful to have someone like her on your side, but I'm just not sure. Maybe she should make an episode to show the whole world that he has always been innocent. Maybe I would change my mind after that.
I get your points as well. Oprah planning the molestation show on the 5th, we remember because it was right before the MJ episode, and Oprah will expose Evan Chandler/The Arvizos and maybe even Jordy speaking up on Oprah. Remember, remember. I do get it, I just need to see for myself first.
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This is the last 8 minutes if the "Oprah remembers Michael Jackson" programmed aired in September 2009. Listen from 6:40 until the end and you will see that she genuinely felt sad and wished she had reached to him, be a friend. (Not said in as strong words but this is the meaning)
"To err is human; to forgive divine." -- Alexander Pope
With L.O.V.E
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I don't know what Oprah's intentions are. I know that she didn't get where she is by being naive or by not playing the game to some extent. I think she's very savvy about using people for what benefits her...and I guess in the entertainment business that's not wrong. I'm inclined to agree with Souza but that's my gut talking.
I think Gema is correct and I had talked about that in a post several months ago. Anyone who has had any experience in family counseling or with physical/sexual abuse would probably be more surprised if Michael had not been abused. He was exposed to environments that a child should never see...and maybe adults as well. There's a reason why his mother was so concerned when Joe took them into bars and places when they were so young. In families where there is physical abuse, there is usually sexual abuse either overtly or covertly. I never understood why professionals did not come forward and state that during the trial. I don't know what happened to Michael but maybe Oprah does. I can't believe that she would be quiet for all these years if she knew.
I think that for Michael to be "restored" the truth has to be told, as painful as that maybe.
At a minimum, he was not allowed to grow up as child and to develop into an adult in a healthy environment. For those of our who are parents, it makes me understand our responsibilities more seriously.
We are getting more and more of the details of Michael's history. It isn't a coincidence.
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He was certainly a victim of sexual exploitation of a minor if nothing else. Joe should be ashamed :evil: I cringe to think of what other things he might have seen or been subjected to. I will never forgive Joe for what he allowed Michael to endure on the road at that young impressionable age. He obviously scarred him for life. :evil:
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I have often wondered what he heck went down. I do work with victims of sexual abuse daily. And I often thought about that in Michael's case. So many characterological traits would make sense. Gosh, I hope not. But- I think from what we do know- it is clear that he was exposed to the "darker side of sexuality" WAY too soon.
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You're correct. It explains so many of his behaviors. Which makes me wonder again why a professional did not pursue it. I wonder how many lies Michael has had to tell through the years about the things that happened . To a child as sensitive as he was, it must have been traumatizing. If any of this is true, I sincerely pray that he has an opportunity to talk to someone in a "safe" place. Maybe that's where he is now. Sometimes when we have children, the painful memories that we experienced as children come back to us. That's why if we don't heal our wounds, our children are also impaired. It's almost as if we pass on the pain and then it becomes generational.
Good for you and the work you do...it's so important.
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These parts of the article seemed important to me.
MJ Fans: Oprah's Molestation Show Is No 'Coincidence'
11/3/2010 4:30 PM PDT by TMZ Staff
"Her tone seems to speak volumes.”
“How can something so obvious be a coincidence?"
I'm not so sure if Oprah is in on the hoax or if Michael is using her because America watches her show. But I believe that Oprah knows about the hoax and that is the reason why she use "THIS IS IT, THIS IS THE MOMENT". Michael is a very forgiving person and probably he forgave her and got her in the hoax.
And about the coincidence part; 'there is NOT a coincidence in this hoax' can be the result we should take from this redirect of TS.
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You're correct. It explains so many of his behaviors. Which makes me wonder again why a professional did not pursue it. I wonder how many lies Michael has had to tell through the years about the things that happened . To a child as sensitive as he was, it must have been traumatizing. If any of this is true, I sincerely pray that he has an opportunity to talk to someone in a "safe" place. Maybe that's where he is now. Sometimes when we have children, the painful memories that we experienced as children come back to us. That's why if we don't heal our wounds, our children are also impaired. It's almost as if we pass on the pain and then it becomes generational.
Good for you and the work you do...it's so important.
Thank you- it is exhausting but also fulfilling if that makes sense.
I often have hoped that Michael is in a place that allows him to heal (physically and mentally) in HIS OWN time. In this way, his redemption would be perfect.
@PureLove: I TOTALLY agree with your thoughts that TS is definitly teaching us that there are NO COINCIDENCES in this one.
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Oprah was a part of the media machine that was implemented to destroy Michael through the false allegations of molesting children. There are no coincidences. Oprah aired those molestation shows, at the same time as shows about Michael, for the sole purpose of continuing to associate Michael with paedophilia. In this way, Michael's reputation continues to be tarnished and she garners viewers by the high interest in anything to do with Michael. Very shifty and snake like behaviour but what do expect of a media puppet?
I don't, for one second, think Oprah is in on anything to do with this hoax. She is being manipulated by Michael and his family and that is why it may seem that they are supporting her. If they were publicly angry or called her out, do you really think she would have had them as guests on her show? She does have a large audience, so she is being used to reach a greater number of people and keeping Michael "news" in current events. Keep people talking, wondering, inquisitive and more will realize that this is all a hoax.
I believe that there is a sort of "Vendetta" but not a violent one, something more subtle and the targets will reveal their true colours themselves. Michael is leading them to their own destruction, literally, by their own hand.
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Seems as if Oprah is one of those people you either love or you hate. It's quite possible she's been playing Devil's Advocate as part of the hoax, and this is not always a popular position to take. How unpalatable it would be for some if it turned out that Oprah was actually TS :shock:
Just thinking outside the square here ;)
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Oprah is predictable-
Maybe it was a test...
and she failed.
JMO
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I'm not so sure if Oprah is in on the hoax or if Michael is using her because America watches her show. But I believe that Oprah knows about the hoax and that is the reason why she use "THIS IS IT, THIS IS THE MOMENT". Michael is a very forgiving person and probably he forgave her and got her in the hoax.
Seems as if Oprah is one of those people you either love or you hate. It's quite possible she's been playing Devil's Advocate as part of the hoax, and this is not always a popular position to take. How unpalatable it would be for some if it turned out that Oprah was actually TS :shock:
Just thinking outside the square here ;)
TheRunningGirl
1. "We" do not know first hand what Michael would do or not do
2. "We" do not know first hand who He trust and who He does not trust
3. "We" do not know what is at play with the Hoax and how much risks he is prepared to take
4. "We" have already seen some unexpected media deals/associations: TMZ and Sony comes to mind
5. Oprah is influential and has a larger audience than most
6. Nobody expects an association with Oprah due to her previous comments7. Oprah is on the last year of her show (Last one is on 9/9/11?) and will want to go out on a Bang!8. Oprah has shown some regrets on her previous stance on Michael (Interview from September 2009)
9. For what we know Oprah may see Michael's "take-over" plans as an opportunity not to be missed.
I agree she's playing the Devil's Advocate. Since I support the Bashir/Michael Project theory, it would lead Oprah to be a player in this as well. This is just where the evidence leads to IMO. Why TS directed to this IDK, but it means we need to look deeper into it maybe.
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Those of us who have read up on the subject and know MJ was always innocent, hate for the paedo thing to keep rearing it's head. But I still think we are in the minority.
It's just a thought, but maybe this continuing link between MJ and paedophilia actually has a positive side in that it gets other people talking about and questioning the allegations against him. People who have forgotten about him, people who never really made up their minds at the time, people who think he died with this stigma still hanging over him. It's no good skirting around the issue, the world in general won't fully admit or acknowledge what a wonderful entertainer MJ was (is, and that includes what he's doing now) while that elephant is still in the room. It needs to be addressed and cleared up once and for all - in the minds of the many who still harbour doubts (which apparently includes Oprah).
My heartfelt wish is that Chandler and Arvizo would come forward and speak out - now that would be one heck of an Oprah show.
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TMZ is not so nice to Oprah..... ;)
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interesting. revenge or a player on michael's side? that is the question.
while oprah's ignorance to michael's innocence has left a bad taste in my mouth, there is a lot of attention on her. more specifically, she's been focusing on michael's surrounding (public?) circle- lisa marie, jackie, katherine, joe, the kids, the cousins, etc. it's all very confusing as to whether this is a obvious vindication or smoke and mirrors for something else.
michael's good at this game...i'm still scratching my head.
i guess all we can do is "keep watchin'" and continue to string these clues together. for me, it's too early to draw conclusions on oprah. at this point, this hoax is making me look at every "power player" as two faced. scary.
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My heartfelt wish is that Chandler and Arvizo would come forward and speak out - now that would be one heck of an Oprah show
I was thinking, that what if the Chandler and Arvizo kids were offered alot of money to tell the truth?
And that maybe Oprah was the one to pay them to do it and the final show would be like this..
The kids tell the truth, and then say they wish they could say sorry to Michael now, and then Michael walks out into the stage....and forgives them, and hugs them...and BAM.
Oprah has her final show ratings...
" shake my head and wake up from dreaming " :roll: :roll: :roll: :idea: :idea: :o :o
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My heartfelt wish is that Chandler and Arvizo would come forward and speak out - now that would be one heck of an Oprah show
I was thinking, that what if the Chandler and Arvizo kids were offered alot of money to tell the truth?
And that maybe Oprah was the one to pay them to do it and the final show would be like this..
The kids tell the truth, and then say they wish they could say sorry to Michael now, and then Michael walks out into the stage....and forgives them, and hugs them...and BAM.
Oprah has her final show ratings...
" shake my head and wake up from dreaming " :roll: :roll: :roll: :idea: :idea: :o :o
You shouldn't be getting money for telling the truth, you should tell the truth because it's the right thing to do. If they would be paid to tell the truth, people will not believe it.
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Maybe Oprah is a part of the hoax and thinks she has a big part to play and thinks it will benefit her in terms or ratings but I think MJ has other plans for her ( exposing her for what she did to him just like other media outlets...he maybe going for the 'bigger fish').
Also this redirect could be on specifically coincidences...TS could of redirected this article if it was based on just molestation...
Oprah Airs Jackson, Molestation Shows Back-to-Back
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Oprah's big interview with MJ's kids -- Prince, Paris, and Blanket -- is scheduled to air next Monday ... but according to Oprah's website, the talk show host is airing a show the Friday before entitled "200 Adult Men Who Were Molested Come Forward."
Interestingly ... the Jacksons had beef with Oprah over her programming decisions back in 2005 ... when she did a show on pedophilia during jury deliberations in Michael Jackson's molestation trial.
A rep for Oprah's production company tells TMZ, "There is no connection whatsoever between the two shows. This is purely coincidental."
Oprah Winfrey may not get a Christmas card from Michael Jackson's family this year ... because she's airing the tell-all interview with MJ's children back-to-back with a special on child molestation.
...but TS chose to redirect to an article that was mainly about coincidences, so I guess this could be the focus.
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Ok first off I have not read through the thread yet so if there are repeat thoughts... my apologies!
Secondly, I haven't really thought this through to come up with anything really coherent... by thought I would share my random thoughts anyway.
With the new Oprah Winfrey Network, OWN, which makes me think of a few things, she has control to put out there whatever she wants without being tied to a network's programming demands. This could be a good thing if she's on MJ's side, or a bad thing.
The few things it brings to mind:
OWN - Almost like not so subliminal subliminal messaging LOL I own you and your minds little people of the world bah ha ha ha (evil laugh) :D
OWN/NWO - The opposite/reverse of NWO, man in the mirror, or part of the NWO - who knows!
V for Vendetta - how V hijacked the network to broadcast.... could Oprah be for MJ and allow him to use her network to do the same? OR with Oprah against MJ, could MJ have somehow known OWN was in the works and could be planning to hijack OWN like V?
Not sure what side Oprah is on - to me, for or against Michael is possible both ways. You never know if Oprah had a change of heart, or she may have sold out to the quest for power at all costs. We really don't KNOW her. Could MJ have forgiven her or is he on a vendetta to expose her and the media? We don't know.
You see... I really have no conclusive thoughts and I really haven't made up my mind which way I think things are going... I'm still seeing all scenarios as being... possible.
Lastly, there is yet another poll and as of the time of posting this the results are as follows:
Coincidence?
76%No
24%Yes
Total Votes: 59,981
Interesting that majority of people say this is not a coincidence. There is obvious media conspiracy to take MJ down.... so why do people believe the lies?
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I don´t trust Oprah; although we don´t know what´s going on behind the curtain, if she´s on the "good or the bad side" and what the relations are, as long as I don´t see anything positive from her I´ll stick to not believing her.
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Here’s where my imagination goes when looking at the redirects over the past month -- I know it’s corny :).
Is it possible that this is the earth-shattering “Breaking News": “Behind The Mask”, MJ has been a “Blue Gangsta” (an undercover enforcer like Elvis. How far should we take the parallels? The DEA have blue jogging suits, which Elvis owned. What does the blue jog suit guy represent in Back‘s posts?) Or, MJ’s helping to identify ‘blue gangstas’ -- the rogue cops… in order to expose “Where Your Children Are” in “Hollywood Tonight.” So, here the “Monster” come, (to save the day.) Protecting the children is a Vendetta ordained by God…
This redirect makes me think over the last month focused on further clarification of MJ/Elvis parallels, biblical teachings, the Murray trial and Michael’s revenge (vendetta.) I’m not crazy about Oprah especially because of the way she’s treated MJ in the past, but it’s difficult to figure out the role she's playing until more cards are dealt. I vacillate from one extreme to the other. All we know for sure is that she’s linked to this somehow. What I can’t quite get is MJ wanting to ‘expose’ Oprah by first allowing her access to his precious children and mother. Oprah’s been awful yet so much so that MJ has the time and energy to spend being vindictive towards Oprah even if there’s no love for her and he puts his family in the middle of it? Is she worse than TMZ had been in the past even though they are obviously helpful now? Surely there are bigger fish to fry in media, entertainment and the judiciary -- especially in LA.
While Oprah reaches millions, any news outlet can do that where MJ is concerned. Larry King will be back with news specials so why not give the BAM to him -- someone who has never been dishonorable to Michael.
It could be that MJ did forgive Oprah. It could be that she is aware of her grave error and has asked or even begged for his forgiveness either directly to him (if she knows he’s alive which is plausible), or through his family (if she doesn’t know he’s alive.) Maybe she said, I’ll tell everyone I was wrong and MJ said, “here’s what you can do…” Thus goes the plan for interviews and even the show on molestation, a few days before MJ3, to keep people talking about this and raising new questions. It could be that he recognized or she explained that through her woundedness she was so damaged and defensive, ( given her background of abuse), she could not see her way clear of it when it came to MJ. Understanding this, maybe he forgave her because when you really look at it they do have a common goal: to rid the world of anyone who would abuse/misuse/bring harm to a child. Hasn’t this been important to Oprah through the project she had where she would help find molesters and bring them to justice?
In reviewing the many parallels between Elvis and MJ, Elvis was involved with “undercover” or law enforcement work. Is there an analogy there too? Why would the parallels not extend this far as well? Elvis helped bring down a group called ‘The Fraternity’ and exposed them as an organized crime ring. Perhaps MJ has done/is doing something similar to expose organized crime of some sort be it with doctors and prescription drugs and/or something like child sex trafficking rings where children are abused and molested. Of course, we know this problem exists all over the world. In California the entire state has some of the largest child sex rings in the country. Back in 2007 there was a big sting, but the fight to stop these rings is ongoing. Maybe Oprah and MJ have now joined forces in this way? And I don’t think it’d be far-fetched to think that maybe Oprah has agreed to help persuade Chandlers and Arvisos to come forward now that she may know the truth and wants to redeem her own reputation?
(Now, if Oprah was really courageous, not only will it be grandly revealed that she was wrong about MJ but, maybe she’ll also have a show on Scientology and their alleged role in child abuse. That’s a huge story too…)
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I've been thinking more about this re-direct...the one before this was Michael's Vendetta...now this one to the TMZ article with "No Coincidence" in the title. Could it be that this re-direct following the vendetta one is no coincidence? Lisa Marie said to Oprah that Michael is a master at manipulating the media and it's possible that Oprah herself is being manipulated by Michael. Now, she could be aware of that and lashed back by airing the molestation episode before the one with Katherine and Michael's children. But she really has no choice but to go along with it, no one would ever turn down interviews with LMP or Katherine and the kids. I certainly sensed a bit of "attitude" from the children towards Oprah, and rightly so. They just seemed a bit defensive or something.
I think those who have wronged Michael must see the error in their ways in order for Michael to forgive them because what is the point in forgiving someone unless they are truly repentant?
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I thought about it some more... We had the Vendetta video for a few days. Maybe Oprah is the first this year who will 'get her share'? Oprah exposed?
I agree that O is in for a huge awakening. I believe she is only one of many who have their share of karma coming back to bite them in the jugular. Yes you can always forgive someone in your heart but, you will never forget what they did. 8-)
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viewtopic.php?f=5&t=14430 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=14430)
Re: Why does MJ want low numbers for the hoax?
by BlackJack » Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:20 am
It's pretty clear that BAM is meant to be an event, not like snapping fingers or playing with people such as the release of an album or video/online games. Some people have said that BAM will be a 'surprise'.... really!!; would anyone on this site be 'surprised' by the return? I wouldn't think so (more like excited), it's what you're here for isn't it, because you beLIEve in it. An event of such significance, that has been thoroughly planned and executed in detail will require at least a short notice to prepare people for something magical. MJ suddenly popping up in a street would have the element of surprise and yes, would shut the street down, but this is not having a simultaneous global impact around the world is it? Something like this wouldn't be a BAM it would be a trickle down while half of the world was asleep. MJ does not do things by halves. Imagine something like his previous sit down with Oprah, so that everyone knew when it was going on. That will make the world stop whether you're a fan or not you'll be tuning in. Audience on masse is fitting for the Return of the KIng and treats all of the fans in every corner of the world at the same time. LMP's blog should tweak interest given the words that were selected to start with a capital letter. Pay particular attention to the last paragraph you highlighted and look at the letters in capitals.... remind you of someone? I beLIEve there's a connection.
I see you got IT!
Now that is some good prophesy going on there BlackJack, lol
I would agree that Michael is behind these shows airing on O's show. However I do not believe she is in on the "hoax" she is being used for her audience only. She has a huge following and she is greedy for ratings. Having shows about the dirty little secrets or not so dirty secrets about Michael Jackson guarantees her huge ratings. She is a backstabber. Her opinion of Michael has not changed one bit. Fake ass O. Sellout O.That thread below has some good reading material on O and her fake ass attitude. Dumb broad. 8-) viewtopic.php?f=46&t=14988#p251906 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=14988#p251906)
This is Michael using her to tell his truth. That is the only reason I watch her show. I hadn't commented on the show with his Mom and kids because I was not wanting to speak on his family. I kinda like to at least save some things sacred. However I am going to say this: I thought Katherine did a great job telling us about her son. I think the kids were great. I especially loved it when Blanket wiped his nose before shaking O's hand, lol
Prince was a prince and a protective big bro. Paris is absolutely adorable. She is going to make a great actress. Oh wait she aready is. At the end of that interview the thing I liked was how it looked as if the Family was surrounding O and looking down on her. I loved that image.
So I am going to watch this show. I am glad this family is telling how Michael really is. I am glad that his image is being repaired slowly but surely.
I still don't like O and her talk of the pedo shows before airing shows about Michael. That is dirty pool. I felt that way when I commented on it in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=48&t=14973&start=0 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=14973&start=0)
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A spade is a spade no matter how many years have gone by!
I have waited to comment on this crapola...
Because something wasn't right about all of this so I waited for O to expose her true self and gee tada whatta know:
Wolf in Sheep clothes.
Oprah has NOT changed her mind or attitude. I wouldn't blame Mike one bit if he set these interviews up with LMP, and his fam to do PAYBACK to O.
LMP is another opportunistic broad. The truth hurts sometimes.
For real O? you have the show about a Boy who killed his molester the very same week your gonna run the interview with LMP?
Bull shit O...
Your a hypocrite and you will do anything for money.
[youtube:1rrd9amm]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeyCc7XHC0Y[/youtube:1rrd9amm]
Sorry people it is what it is.
I did enjoy reading the boy who had cancer story.
Does anyone else here know or have any additional info on O being in The Committee of 300 club?
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... 300_11.htm (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_committee300_11.htm)
Some good info on this subject but, it is so much I couldn't find names. I do remember reading O's name on this list.
She is definetly apart of the elite or aka NWO.
She is a sellout.
Don't fall for the Illusion she protrays.
http://www.oprah.com/showinfo/Exclusive ... s-Molester (http://www.oprah.com/showinfo/Exclusive-The-16-Year-Old-Boy-Who-Killed-His-Molester)
http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/Daniel-K ... tory-Video (http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/Daniel-Kovarbasichs-Story-Video)
See Comment Below from this link: http://www.oprah.com/showinfo/Lisa-Mari ... el-Jackson (http://www.oprah.com/showinfo/Lisa-Marie-Presley-Speaks-Out-About-the-Death-of-Michael-Jackson)
Posted: Tue 10/19/2010 11:02 AM
cookie006 : Oprah, please move this show to the following week. What are you trying to insinuate, lining up MJ after two consecutive shows on paedophiles like it's a series?
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Peace
interesting. revenge or a player on michael's side? that is the question.
while oprah's ignorance to michael's innocence has left a bad taste in my mouth, there is a lot of attention on her. more specifically, she's been focusing on michael's surrounding (public?) circle- lisa marie, jackie, katherine, joe, the kids, the cousins, etc. it's all very confusing as to whether this is a obvious vindication or smoke and mirrors for something else.
michael's good at this game...i'm still scratching my head.
i guess all we can do is "keep watchin'" and continue to string these clues together. for me, it's too early to draw conclusions on oprah. at this point, this hoax is making me look at every "power player" as two faced. scary.
Michael needs someone to be his voice since ya know he is still dead btw, to para phrase Larry King. Seriously though he does need his family to drop clues, and plant seeds of doubt over his "death" and redemtion for Michael. This thread has my theory on why Michael's children are allowed to be in the media.
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=14496&p=256380#p256380 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=14496&p=256380#p256380)
This thread viewtopic.php?f=17&t=5167&p=242087#p242087 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=5167&p=242087#p242087) has the comment of Arnie Klein being on the De-Klein. That is a post from BACK.
Back wrote:Calm thy nerves.......
Arnie IS on the de-Klein
He's desperate and scared sh*tless
Because he knows it's just a matter of tImE.......
Tables are meant to be turned!
And lying backstabbers shall reap what they sow.
Keep WATCHIN'.......
This thread has some eye opening info.
viewtopic.php?f=49&t=16882&p=287932#p287932 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=16882&p=287932#p287932)
This thread below has info on factions and undercover work. I agree with SoldierofLOVE that Michael is involved with law enforcement (deep under cover) and he is on a mission to clean up the corrupt Government in the USA and at the same time warn others of the shady stuff their Govts. are doing to them also.
viewtopic.php?f=48&t=14140&p=239909#p239085 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=14140&p=239909#p239085)
viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1930&start=0 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1930&start=0)Now back to the “MJ Conspiracy” book and video. Quite obviously, there was a conspiracy against MJ, even though it wasn’t a murder conspiracy. And the testimony from Aphrodite shows that people involved in a conspiracy may not even know it themselves (only the upper levels understand). And even after she recognized the conspiracy, it seems that she only saw media and money as the source of the conspiracy—not the NWO powers controlling the media.
The conspiracy did succeed to the extent of damaging MJ’s reputation; but it did not succeed to the extent of the court finding him guilty. At the end of the video clip, Aphrodite asked a very appropriate question: “Why are we still crucifying this man? He was found not guilty.”
viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7194&start=0&hilit=key+people (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7194&start=0&hilit=key+people)
Only a few key people in the know are needed to pull off this payback.
MJ has been planning this hoax for many years; and he had the time and influence to get a few key people in the right positions to pull it off—and yes, even government agencies still have some good people in them. Look at history: many times people in high positions have stood up against the corruption in their own system (government, or church, etc).
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I don´t know why TS pointed out at this article again.
Would be easier just to make a post in the forum, as any of us, to understand his/ her point about Michael-Oprah-Molestation.
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Ok first off I have not read through the thread yet so if there are repeat thoughts... my apologies!
Secondly, I haven't really thought this through to come up with anything really coherent... by thought I would share my random thoughts anyway.
With the new Oprah Winfrey Network, OWN, which makes me think of a few things, she has control to put out there whatever she wants without being tied to a network's programming demands. This could be a good thing if she's on MJ's side, or a bad thing.
The few things it brings to mind:
OWN - Almost like not so subliminal subliminal messaging LOL I own you and your minds little people of the world bah ha ha ha (evil laugh) :D
OWN/NWO - The opposite/reverse of NWO, man in the mirror, or part of the NWO - who knows!
V for Vendetta - how V hijacked the network to broadcast.... could Oprah be for MJ and allow him to use her network to do the same? OR with Oprah against MJ, could MJ have somehow known OWN was in the works and could be planning to hijack OWN like V?
Not sure what side Oprah is on - to me, for or against Michael is possible both ways. You never know if Oprah had a change of heart, or she may have sold out to the quest for power at all costs. We really don't KNOW her. Could MJ have forgiven her or is he on a vendetta to expose her and the media? We don't know.
You see... I really have no conclusive thoughts and I really haven't made up my mind which way I think things are going... I'm still seeing all scenarios as being... possible.
Lastly, there is yet another poll and as of the time of posting this the results are as follows:
Coincidence?
76%No
24%Yes
Total Votes: 59,981
Interesting that majority of people say this is not a coincidence. There is obvious media conspiracy to take MJ down.... so why do people believe the lies?
I like your first idea. Oprah has her own network now. This means she is not controlled anymore. She can do whatever she likes.So no control means she might be on Mj's side now since the controlled media tried to destroy him.
She is free now.
I hope I'm right on this!!!!!!
So TS help us out here. Noone seems to know exactly what Oprah's intentions are!! :?: :?:
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I wish TS redirected to the post which could be the right opinion about Oprah and this redirect.
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I wish TS redirected to the post which could be the right opinion about Oprah and this redirect.
As far as I recall TS never made real statements about people's intentions, who knows and who doesn't etc. besides TMZ. I don't think it will be different this time.
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This is in it's simplest forms a message of Michael (Jackson's) vendetta(s).
TIAI Redirect 12/31 viewtopic.php?f=72&t=16890 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=16890)
[youtube:1tw7oczq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYKIR_0XgAc[/youtube:1tw7oczq]
At the 4 min and some second mark The Dave Dave um I mean Michael interview with Larry King "The thing is what people fail to realize he was a Human." Then next when Evey asks V what happened and V says "There was a fire along time ago." (PEPSI BURN) "Ancient history for some."
But, not for V or Michael. That is very easy to understand wanting a lil payback for the shit people did. After a few days of the redirect staying on Michael Jackson's Vendetta vid, the redirect goes to (up first in line for a can of whoop ass) is Oprah and her real agenda of running those shows that way. Remember there are no co-incedences in this damn rabbit hole of a "hoax" lolhttp://www.tmz.com/2010/11/03/oprah-michael-jackson-fans-kids-interview-katherine-paris-blankey-prince-molestation-episode/
MJ Fans: Oprah's Molestation Show Is No 'Coincidence'
11/3/2010 4:30 PM PDT by TMZ Staff
An official MJ fan group ain't buying Oprah's "purely coincidental" excuse -- telling us, they are "angry and disappointed" that she's airing her interview with MJ's kids days after a special on child molestation.
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/11/03/1103-michael-jackson-oprah-winfrey-tmz-ex.jpg)
A rep for the Official Michael Jackson Fans of Southern California tells TMZ, “We are both angry and disappointed in Oprah’s constant need to reference child molestation shows prior to airing Michael Jackson related episodes. Her tone seems to speak volumes.”
Oprah called the whole thing "purely coincidental" ... but MJ fans aren't convinced. The rep adds, “How can something so obvious be a coincidence?"
As we previously reported, Oprah's big interview with Michael Jackson's children is scheduled to air next Monday -- three days after Friday's big show ... entitled "200 Adult Men Who Were Molested Come Forward."
The video from the 12/31 redirect did have Michael's kids in it. It also showed them in V masks. The video had his kids from when they were on this show that TS just redirected to. Hmmm
Peace
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The video from the 12/31 redirect did have Michael's kids in it. It also showed them in V masks. The video had his kids from when they were on this show that TS just redirected to. Hmmm
Peace
Yes, quite the "coincidence", isn't it?
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The video from the 12/31 redirect did have Michael's kids in it. It also showed them in V masks. The video had his kids from when they were on this show that TS just redirected to. Hmmm
Peace
Yes, quite the "coincidence", isn't it?
I agree Im_convinced. That is how I look at it too. I guess it's pay-back time. Popcorn anyone?
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The video from the 12/31 redirect did have Michael's kids in it. It also showed them in V masks. The video had his kids from when they were on this show that TS just redirected to. Hmmm
Peace
Yes, quite the "coincidence", isn't it?
Yes, I also thought of that. Well, it's good for my mind to be leaning back to the original intent of seeing Oprah as a sanctimoneous....woman. Her psydo-mental health stance is so annoying so someone who really is in the trenches with the seriously mentally ill.
One thing that would fall in line with this was the talk that Oprah at first was not interested in doing the Katherine interview and that the kids were thrown into the deal to sweeten it. I had, at the time, wondered why in the world the family would expose the children to the dragon lady- but it all makes sense looking at it from this perspective. Hm.... I also loved that image of the family looking down on O. And Blanket wiping his nose, then shaking hands was PRICELESS! I think the reason they keep Blanket away is more that he would be quite spunky when let lose (just like his Daddy)- whereas Paris and Prince are more controlled due to their maturity and their age. I also agree that Paris' attitude toward O (which I loved!- the attitude, not O)- was defiant - she definitly had that fire in her eyes. LOVED how Prince stood behind his sister- guarding her. Ok, seems like I am leaning toward Michael dishing out some just desert for O now.
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Again, Im_convinced, good post. The children are an extension of Michael, at the heart of the hoax and fueling his motivation for restoration, Imo. If Oprah is first, I'm just waiting to see who's second in line for that can you were referring to. Lol. :)
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The video from the 12/31 redirect did have Michael's kids in it. It also showed them in V masks. The video had his kids from when they were on this show that TS just redirected to. Hmmm
Peace
Yes, quite the "coincidence", isn't it?
Yes, I also thought of that. Well, it's good for my mind to be leaning back to the original intent of seeing Oprah as a sanctimoneous....woman. Her psydo-mental health stance is so annoying so someone who really is in the trenches with the seriously mentally ill.
One thing that would fall in line with this was the talk that Oprah at first was not interested in doing the Katherine interview and that the kids were thrown into the deal to sweeten it. I had, at the time, wondered why in the world the family would expose the children to the dragon lady- but it all makes sense looking at it from this perspective. Hm.... I also loved that image of the family looking down on O. And Blanket wiping his nose, then shaking hands was PRICELESS! I think the reason they keep Blanket away is more that he would be quite spunky when let lose (just like his Daddy)- whereas Paris and Prince are more controlled due to their maturity and their age. I also agree that Paris' attitude toward O (which I loved!- the attitude, not O)- was defiant - she definitly had that fire in her eyes. LOVED how Prince stood behind his sister- guarding her. Ok, seems like I am leaning toward Michael dishing out some just desert for O now.
Yes, I agree, I think your analysis is correct. The assholes always expose themselves if given enough opportunity. Oprah just needed plenty of room to stretch out and get comfortable so she could show her true colors. Maybe there's more coming.