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Title: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: brunob12 on January 01, 2011, 03:58:02 AM
TMZ has learned ... Michael Jackson's weakened state during various concert tours throughout his life -- as well as preparations for the London concerts that never took place -- could become powerful evidence in the defense of Dr. Conrad Murray.

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/12/30/1230-michael-jackson-tour-launch-ex-credit.jpg)

Sources connected with the criminal case tell TMZ ... there's "compelling evidence" that MJ was in weakened health whenever he went on tour. Specifically, people who went on various tours  -- including the "Bad" and "Dangerous" concerts -- say Jackson was frequently "dehydrated, medicated, and sleep-deprived."

Just like with Dr. Murray, Jackson had a doctor who accompanied him during rehearsals and tours, attending to his needs.

The point ... the grueling concert schedules reduced MJ to a physical mess, prone to relying on and demanding drugs to sleep.
 
The "This Is It" London tour was especially grueling, because AEG added dozens of concert dates for Michael, who was already in an extremely weakened state and terrified he would fail.

All of this dovetails into a defense theory ... that Jackson felt enormous pressure to rehearse for the "This Is It" tour, and when he couldn't sleep he relied on Propofol to do the trick. The defense believes when Murray walked out of the room and Jackson woke up, he accidentally infused himself with a fatal dose of the drug out of frustration and fear.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: willddoMJ on January 01, 2011, 04:03:06 AM
ah....yeah right, like i'm believing that story :lol:


1/1/2011 1:00 AM PST by TMZ Staff  

nice time it was posted though :lol:  just saw it
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: rowdyangel on January 01, 2011, 04:11:41 AM
"TMZ has learned ... Michael Jackson's weakened state during various concert tours throughout his life -- as well as preparations for the London concerts that never took place -- could become powerful evidence in the defense of Dr. Conrad Murray."

What utter rubbish!!!!  How can that be powerful evidence??  What are they gonna do - sit in court and watch hours of tour footage, point their fingers and say "Oh yeah, he looks very weak there!"

That is NOT evidence, it is personal opinion.  Come on TMZ, get a grip!  Is this the best you can come up with 3 days before the next hearing??  :roll:  :roll:
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: rowdyangel on January 01, 2011, 04:12:47 AM
Quote from: "willddoMJ"
ah....yeah right, like i'm believing that story :lol:


1/1/2011 1:00 AM PST by TMZ Staff  

nice time it was posted though :lol:  just saw it

Yes, 1+1+2+1+1+1=7  :lol:
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: curls on January 01, 2011, 04:41:24 AM
Articles such as this simply make me wonder if MJ is behind them (in which case I trust he knows what he's doing) or if he isn't, in which case TMZ are seriously influencing Murray's court case (in Murray's favour).
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: MJhasSpoken on January 01, 2011, 06:13:16 AM
It won't let me watch this does anybody know where I can watch it in good quality like this.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: 2good2btrue on January 01, 2011, 06:20:24 AM
Back to the bible meaning for this date:  1:1

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... version=GW (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%201&version=GW)

1  Many have attempted to write about what had taken place among us. They received their information from those who had been eyewitnesses and servants of God’s word from the beginning, and they passed it on to us. I, too, have followed everything closely from the beginning. So I thought it would be a good idea to write an orderly account for Your Excellency, Theophilus. In this way you will know that what you’ve been told is true.

Everytime I read these TMZ articles, I can't help but think there is a double meaning to it, because most of the time, it is so ridiculous......
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: ForstAMoon on January 01, 2011, 06:22:25 AM
Quote from: "MJhasSpoken"
It won't let me watch this does anybody know where I can watch it in good quality like this.

if you cannot watch it because you are in UK, try here, there was a link posted by loma
http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... om/&anno=2 (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=af&tl=en&u=http://www.tmz.com/&anno=2)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: MJhasSpoken on January 01, 2011, 06:50:42 AM
Quote from: "ForstAMoon"
Quote from: "MJhasSpoken"
It won't let me watch this does anybody know where I can watch it in good quality like this.

if you cannot watch it because you are in UK, try here, there was a link posted by loma
http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... om/&anno=2 (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=af&tl=en&u=http://www.tmz.com/&anno=2)

Oh man I posted on the wrong thread...thanks anyway...I was supposed to post it on the Secret Hollywood thread...dang it.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on January 01, 2011, 07:11:46 AM
He didn't even begin the tour, besides it was not a "tour" but a series of concerts that were going to take place in one venue...  :roll:  
A tour means moving from place to place, changing timezones, coping with jet-lags, sleeping in various hotels... Nothing like that here. Whom are they trying to fool...?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: finfin on January 01, 2011, 07:21:37 AM
Please can anyone let me know what the concert photos are like? I cannot see them with the link - Does MJ look fragile as it is implied in the article? If not perhaps it is showing the contrast between what is alleged and what is reality
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: _Anna_ on January 01, 2011, 07:34:26 AM
Quote from: "finfin"
Please can anyone let me know what the concert photos are like? I cannot see them with the link - Does MJ look fragile as it is implied in the article? If not perhaps it is showing the contrast between what is alleged and what is reality
The photos are all of them of the most BADASS Michael on stage. Nothing fragile.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: Tarja on January 01, 2011, 07:36:47 AM
Quote from: "finfin"
Please can anyone let me know what the concert photos are like? I cannot see them with the link - Does MJ look fragile as it is implied in the article? If not perhaps it is showing the contrast between what is alleged and what is reality

they are live shots from Victory, Bad, Dangerous, History all of them mindlowing great as you know him and nothing fragile, sick, ill or anything
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: MJhasSpoken on January 01, 2011, 07:38:12 AM
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Sorry I don't know how to post the pics but here are the links
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: _Anna_ on January 01, 2011, 07:48:01 AM
For who cannot see the photos on TMZ


A few of them

http://img405.imageshack.us/i/2750921full.jpg/ (http://img405.imageshack.us/i/2750921full.jpg/)
http://img337.imageshack.us/i/279913610full.jpg/ (http://img337.imageshack.us/i/279913610full.jpg/)
http://img26.imageshack.us/i/279917910full.jpg/ (http://img26.imageshack.us/i/279917910full.jpg/)
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Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: finfin on January 01, 2011, 07:48:53 AM
Thank you very much  @Anna@Tarja and @MJhasSpoken, Much as I thought, there is no sign of fragility, opposite to the implied headline on the photos. ;)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: ForstAMoon on January 01, 2011, 07:50:04 AM
Quote from: "MJhasSpoken"
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Sorry I don't know how to post the pics but here are the links


here you go  :)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: MJhasSpoken on January 01, 2011, 07:57:16 AM
They seem to be paying more attention in handing out advice on what CM should do that they wrote the wrong tours under two of the pics.Two of the pics (that was stated on the comments area) say that no.7 and no.15 are listed as the wrong tours.

Thanks ForstAMoon :D
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: LavdHim on January 01, 2011, 08:01:05 AM
what ! fragile ? are you kidding me !
All this photos show me the HOT michael not the FRAGILE michael  :roll:  :?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: Le Papillon Bleu on January 01, 2011, 08:05:09 AM
This makes me laugh.....I don't see no fragile man :AND i have my spectacles on!
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: MJhasSpoken on January 01, 2011, 08:06:52 AM
Quote from: "LavdHim"
what ! fragile ? are you kidding me !
All this photos show me the HOT michael not the FRAGILE michael  :roll:  :?

I Agree. He was SO HOT.

Strong
On-fire

Healthy
O-mazing
Talented
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: Ijustcantstoplovingu on January 01, 2011, 10:04:33 AM
Quote from: "_Anna_"
For who cannot see the photos on TMZ


A few of them

http://img405.imageshack.us/i/2750921full.jpg/ (http://img405.imageshack.us/i/2750921full.jpg/)
http://img337.imageshack.us/i/279913610full.jpg/ (http://img337.imageshack.us/i/279913610full.jpg/)
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Bless you  :D  Thanks
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: Ijustcantstoplovingu on January 01, 2011, 10:09:13 AM
Quote from: "Le Papillon Bleu"
This makes me laugh.....I don't see no fragile man :AND i have my spectacles on!



 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Know what you mean not at all fragile :oops:   Soo hot :oops:  :oops:  :oops:  :shock:


 :lol:  :lol:

Blessings to all who have assisted letting those of us in the UK view these pictures which were not otherwise available.


Love you all guys
 :D
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: ~Souza~ on January 01, 2011, 10:24:10 AM
Poor Mike...look how fragile he looks. As if he can drop dead any minute :?

Seriously, what kind of defence is that? Even if he would have felt bad, couldn't sleep or whatever during the tours, he certainly didn't show it on stage. And indeed, London wasnt a tour, it was a show. 3 times a week on the same stage, in the same house, sleeping in the same bed. No problem for a healthy guy his age at all. So if they want to prove he was fragile and ill, this is certainly not the way.

Besides that, Jennifer Batten told us herself he was never drugged on stage, and she was with him during the BAD-, the Dangerous- and the HIStory tour. So more BS. I can't imagine this ever going to trial if this were all real. But all is possible since it is not real, so let's stay tuned...
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: Le Papillon Bleu on January 01, 2011, 10:27:34 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Poor Mike...look how fragile he looks. As if he can drop dead any minute :?

Seriously, what kind of defence is that? Even if he would have felt bad, couldn't sleep or whatever during the tours, he certainly didn't show it on stage. And indeed, London wasnt a tour, it was a show. 3 times a week on the same stage, in the same house, sleeping in the same bed. No problem for a healthy guy his age at all. So if they want to prove he was fragile and ill, this is certainly not the way.

Besides that, Jennifer Batten told us herself he was never drugged on stage, and she was with him during the BAD-, the Dangerous- and the HIStory tour. So more BS. I can't imagine this ever going to trial if this were all real. But all is possible since it is not real, so let's stay tuned...
Let's keep watchin' ! :lol:
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: katooooooo on January 01, 2011, 10:30:26 AM
''he accidentally infused himself with a fatal dose of the drug out of frustration and fear.''

hmmm..ok now he ACCIDENTLY injected himself? how? he sat on it and oops?  :roll:  :oops:
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: Le Papillon Bleu on January 01, 2011, 10:33:41 AM
Quote from: "katooooooo"
''he accidentally infused himself with a fatal dose of the drug out of frustration and fear.''

hmmm..ok now he ACCIDENTLY injected himself? how? he sat on it and oops?  :roll:  :oops:
Plus if it's out of frustration and fear it cannot be accidental (?)
I don't throw myself from the balcony accidentally i throw myself because I have a reason right?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: katooooooo on January 01, 2011, 10:34:17 AM
Quote from: "Le Papillon Bleu"
Quote from: "katooooooo"
''he accidentally infused himself with a fatal dose of the drug out of frustration and fear.''

hmmm..ok now he ACCIDENTLY injected himself? how? he sat on it and oops?  :roll:  :oops:
Plus if it's out of frustration and fear it cannot be accidental (?)


agree!
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: hesouttamylife on January 01, 2011, 10:47:51 AM
This is so ridiculous :roll:  all these photos show is that Michael Jackson put his all into making his performances unforgettable.  And he looks perfectly fine.  Do they think he was a computerized robot who didn't get tired or restless or exhausted like other human beings :roll:  People DO get ill.  ALL PEOPLE.   OF COURSE an entertainer who rocked it like Michael Jackson (of which I can't name one) would have a personal physician traveling with them. :roll:   With all the complex moves and techniques employed by MJ during those grueling hours, all that loss of fluids, etc. he would be an idiot not to have someone there for him.  Someone who knew his medical history, someone he trusted to do what he was HIRED to do.  Hell, they had paramedics for the fans at every show complete with oxygen, recussitators, ambulances, the whole nine and they weren't making a move :lol:  :lol:   Which even more shows how little MJ mattered if this proves to be a real case.  They had more equipment for the fans just watching than for the man up there every single performance giving us an experience of a lifetime, magic.  That says more than words ever could.

What behooves me is why would he be medicating him that heavily BEFORE the tour even started? That makes no sense at all, unless of course he was ordered to or it's all a lie. Plus the insurability issue is gonna come back to haunt them if they try to use this scenario as any proof. This ain't nothing but smoke and ashes.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: voiceforthesilent on January 01, 2011, 10:53:47 AM
Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial

Maybe what we're supposed to be shown is that the 'CONCERT TOURS' are the focus, not Dr Murray. So, maybe we'll find the truth about when Michael really started rehearsing/filming for them, etc. I'm not being very clear here but the wording seems to point to the concert.

Or, if we take the word 'Concert Tours' out of the title we come back to "Michael Jackson on Trial" - which some theories have suggested that Michael is mirroring what he's been through. Again, not being very clear this morning in my explanation. Sorry.

Or, if we listen to one of the insider videos from smoothC21, we have been told to watch what Murray will or WILL NOT say...hmmm.

http://www.youtube.com/user/SmoothC21 (http://www.youtube.com/user/SmoothC21)

About the pictures - none of them show a frail Michael, but quite the opposite, in my opinion. And as has been stated, Jennifer and others have come out and said that Michael was not drugged up during tour.

I remember Sheryl Crow saying that at one point they all slept in a huge room with Michael because he had trouble sleeping by himself. There would be no way for him to do drugs with a roomful of people and them not know it. And, if he had a personal physician during that tour he certainly wasn't putting MJ out.  Yes, he might have had trouble sleeping at times but so do a lot of other people.

So, who are they going to ask to be a witness in their defense...Karen Faye? I think she's the only one who's said anything about Michael being drugged up on stage.

One last thing - not to start another controversial subject but that picture of MJ in the spacesuit - I think it's been alluded to in articles that that may not have been Michael flying off of the stage. But, we probably will never know the truth on that.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: mjkate on January 01, 2011, 11:09:13 AM
Also here is another source of confusion for me....They keep reporting that Murray injected him with little amounts of propofol all the time....not enough for a nights sleep. So this defence doesn`t even make sense. If he wanted a full nights sleep he would need more than what murray gave him or had been giving him. I have never understood why Murray was giving him the small dosages.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: Andrea on January 01, 2011, 11:12:17 AM
I am seeing a lot of "V"'s in those photos...made me think of the most recent TIAI re-direct, Michael's Vendetta.

Maybe I'm just seeing things.  :lol:
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: Le Papillon Bleu on January 01, 2011, 11:30:14 AM
Quote from: "Andrea"
I am seeing a lot of "V"'s in those photos...made me think of the most recent TIAI re-direct, Michael's Vendetta.

Maybe I'm just seeing things.  :lol:
Tell us more
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: Andrea on January 01, 2011, 11:39:25 AM
Quote from: "Le Papillon Bleu"
Quote from: "Andrea"
I am seeing a lot of "V"'s in those photos...made me think of the most recent TIAI re-direct, Michael's Vendetta.

Maybe I'm just seeing things.  :lol:
Tell us more

Oooook, you're all going to think I'm a bit nutty but here goes:

(http://cdn.photos.tmz.com/gallery_images/images/2010/12/86102813_10_full.jpg)
His arms make a V.

(http://cdn.photos.tmz.com/gallery_images/images/2010/12/88706206_full.jpg)
Multiple V's (arms again)

(http://cdn.photos.tmz.com/gallery_images/images/2010/12/50961978_full.jpg)
The way his arm is bent.

(http://cdn.photos.tmz.com/gallery_images/images/2010/12/86132146_full.jpg)
The red on the suit.

(http://cdn.photos.tmz.com/gallery_images/images/2010/12/86129160_full.jpg)
The criss-cross on his shirt.

(http://cdn.photos.tmz.com/gallery_images/images/2010/12/84889223_10_full.jpg)
Once again, the design of his shirt.

I see a V in almost every picture but these are the more "obvious" ones to me.

And the latest re-direct for those who haven't seen yet:

[youtube:1srobdec]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYKIR_0XgAc[/youtube:1srobdec]

TS and TMZ are connected, right?  Sorry if my explanation doesn't make that much sense but I'm trying to explain what makes sense to me in my head, there may be something lost in that translation.  :lol:
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: Le Papillon Bleu on January 01, 2011, 11:46:44 AM
Quote from: "Andrea"
Quote from: "Le Papillon Bleu"
Quote from: "Andrea"
I am seeing a lot of "V"'s in those photos...made me think of the most recent TIAI re-direct, Michael's Vendetta.

Maybe I'm just seeing things.  :lol:
Tell us more

Oooook, you're all going to think I'm a bit nutty but here goes:

(http://cdn.photos.tmz.com/gallery_images/images/2010/12/86102813_10_full.jpg)
His arms make a V.

(http://cdn.photos.tmz.com/gallery_images/images/2010/12/88706206_full.jpg)
Multiple V's (arms again)

(http://cdn.photos.tmz.com/gallery_images/images/2010/12/50961978_full.jpg)
The way his arm is bent.

(http://cdn.photos.tmz.com/gallery_images/images/2010/12/86132146_full.jpg)
The red on the suit.

(http://cdn.photos.tmz.com/gallery_images/images/2010/12/86129160_full.jpg)
The criss-cross on his shirt.

(http://cdn.photos.tmz.com/gallery_images/images/2010/12/84889223_10_full.jpg)
Once again, the design of his shirt.

I see a V in almost every picture but these are the more "obvious" ones to me.

And the latest re-direct for those who haven't seen yet:

[youtube:i1cl7ci6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYKIR_0XgAc[/youtube:i1cl7ci6]

TS and TMZ are connected, right?  Sorry if my explanation doesn't make that much sense but I'm trying to explain what makes sense to me in my head, there may be something lost in that translation.  :lol:
I don't think you are crazy I actually find it very plausible: the photos show only V's
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: Andrea on January 01, 2011, 11:50:33 AM
Thanks Le Papillon Bleu!  I'm glad you see the connection too.  :D
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: mdc on January 01, 2011, 12:41:27 PM
Quote from: "voiceforthesilent"
Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial

Maybe what we're supposed to be shown is that the 'CONCERT TOURS' are the focus, not Dr Murray. So, maybe we'll find the truth about when Michael really started rehearsing/filming for them, etc. I'm not being very clear here but the wording seems to point to the concert.

Or, if we take the word 'Concert Tours' out of the title we come back to "Michael Jackson on Trial" - which some theories have suggested that Michael is mirroring what he's been through. Again, not being very clear this morning in my explanation. Sorry.

Or, if we listen to one of the insider videos from smoothC21, we have been told to watch what Murray will or WILL NOT say...hmmm.

http://www.youtube.com/user/SmoothC21 (http://www.youtube.com/user/SmoothC21)

About the pictures - none of them show a frail Michael, but quite the opposite, in my opinion. And as has been stated, Jennifer and others have come out and said that Michael was not drugged up during tour.

I remember Sheryl Crow saying that at one point they all slept in a huge room with Michael because he had trouble sleeping by himself. There would be no way for him to do drugs with a roomful of people and them not know it. And, if he had a personal physician during that tour he certainly wasn't putting MJ out.  Yes, he might have had trouble sleeping at times but so do a lot of other people.

So, who are they going to ask to be a witness in their defense...Karen Faye? I think she's the only one who's said anything about Michael being drugged up on stage.

One last thing - not to start another controversial subject but that picture of MJ in the spacesuit - I think it's been alluded to in articles that that may not have been Michael flying off of the stage. But, we probably will never know the truth on that.

This is what it sounds like to me too. They, the media, have worked this case around to where it's MJ that's on trial again and not Murray.  It's a did he or did he not inject himself- NOT whether or not that doctor should have been injecting him at all and if he was negligent. In my opinion, if he injected him just a little tiny dosage just one time he was negligent and put MJ's health at risk- and he's not denying that he did indeed inject him with propofol at some point. He's supposed to be a doctor and he knew the risks so that alone would make him already guilty in my book.  Even if MJ is alive and he injected him, he's still guilty of negligence. I don't like this one little bit.

This better be some big plan MJ cooked up because if it isn't we are rolling the dice on whether or not a murderer goes free- and he may only be the first in a long list of person's guilty.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: bonita on January 01, 2011, 12:56:48 PM
OK, obviously TMZ is in on this because they gave us the hint with the numbers all adding up to 7. If Connie  gets to be proven innocent and Michael hoaxed his death, thats a good thing because if not then an innocent man would be going to jail so he needs a good defense.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: Andrea on January 01, 2011, 01:04:52 PM
Anybody whose seen an MJ concert (whether in person or on video) knows that one of his concerts is basically a 2 hour marathon.  Katherine said Michael would dance by himself for 2 hours straight at the Encino home everyday in preparation for a concert tour.  Much like an athlete trains for upcoming sports events.  Michael's body was always trained for the endurance of his tours - and as for his sleeping habits on these tours, we just don't know.  But he certainly never appears to be "weakened" when on stage.  Maybe this article is saying - "he was fine then and he's fine now".
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: StrangerInCalifornia on January 01, 2011, 01:16:51 PM
Quote from: "MJhasSpoken"
They seem to be paying more attention in handing out advice on what CM should do that they wrote the wrong tours under two of the pics.Two of the pics (that was stated on the comments area) say that no.7 and no.15 are listed as the wrong tours.

Thanks ForstAMoon :D
Yea the incorrect labeling of the pictures bothered me too, but they were so obvious. Maybe a little too obvious considering the numbers are 7 and 15. BAM date anyone?? There happens to be a full moon on 7/15/2011! "See you in July!"  :D
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: ni-co-le on January 01, 2011, 01:17:14 PM
Quote from: "Le Papillon Bleu"
This makes me laugh.....I don't see no fragile man :AND i have my spectacles on!
:lol:  :lol: i have on my spectacles to , and i love these hot pics  8-) he looks great !!!  ;)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: angelshadow on January 01, 2011, 01:20:01 PM
Quote from: "ni-co-le"
Quote from: "Le Papillon Bleu"
This makes me laugh.....I don't see no fragile man :AND i have my spectacles on!
:lol:  :lol: i have on my spectacles to , and i love these hot pics  8-) he looks great !!!  ;)

 :D  ;) Also with a magnifying glass .... he looks fantastic!!!! Who is only the breakable man from everything speak 8-)  :?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: pepper on January 01, 2011, 01:20:42 PM
Quote from: "mdc"


This is what it sounds like to me too. They, the media, have worked this case around to where it's MJ that's on trial again and not Murray.  It's a did he or did he not inject himself- NOT whether or not that doctor should have been injecting him at all and if he was negligent. In my opinion, if he injected him just a little tiny dosage just one time he was negligent and put MJ's health at risk- and he's not denying that he did indeed inject him with propofol at some point. He's supposed to be a doctor and he knew the risks so that alone would make him already guilty in my book.  Even if MJ is alive and he injected him, he's still guilty of negligence. I don't like this one little bit.

This better be some big plan MJ cooked up because if it isn't we are rolling the dice on whether or not a murderer goes free- and he may only be the first in a long list of person's guilty.

Here is part of a "from the facts we have, Murray's treatment of MJ defines gross negligence" article, from a "nonpartisan" author (see below) - for the full article go to this link:

http://www.examiner.com/city-buzz-in-lo ... us-defense (http://www.examiner.com/city-buzz-in-los-angeles/dr-conrad-murray-incredulous-defense)

"...Diverting attention away from Murray’s gross negligence, Flannagan hopes to eventually create reasonable doubt in jurors’ minds. Propofol keeps patients unconscious as long as it’s maintained at a certain bloodstream level. Flannagan hopes that jurors believe that Jackson awakened on his own, groped for a syringe and injected himself out of desperation. On Jan. 4, Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor will decide whether there’s sufficient evidence to bind Murray over for trial on charges of “involuntary manslaughter.” Given that a Propofol drip falls out the usual and customary treatment for insomnia and given that Murray lacked the training or certification to administer short-acting anesthesia, his treatment defines gross negligence needed for “voluntary manslaughter.” Pastor should find plenty of cause to try Murray for “involuntary manslaughter.

When the coroner revealed a 150 mg lethal dose of Propofol, the defense could no longer claim trace amounts of benzodiazapines found in Jackson’s blood contributed to the 50-year-old pop singer’s death. Because the 150 mg of Propofol was all that was needed for death, the defense now had to blame to lethal dose on someone other that Dr. Murray. Flannagan must convince a jury that Jackson administered the lethal dose to himself. While Murray admitted to police he administered only 25 mg, he believes it’s credible to blame Jackson for the additional product. Whatever Propofol-filled syringes were found at the scene, it doesn’t mean that Jackson took his treatment into his own hands. While the defense can’t make any outrageous allegation, it’s incredulous that Jackson would overdose himself. Jurors will have to decide what sounds more plausible: Overdose by the doctor or Jackson himself.

Whatever happened in the early morning of June 25, 2009, it’s a known fact that Dr. Conrad Murray, without proper training or certification, engaged in gross negligence administering a risky form of anesthesia to treat Jackson’s insomnia. Quibbling over who administered the lethal injection, jurors must ferret out first Murray’s credibility after administering a highly suspect insomnia treatment. While experiments do go awry, the California Medical Board hasn’t taken lightly Murray’s dangerous and negligent insomnia treatment. Arguing after the fact that he only injected Jackson with 25 mg can’t hide his gross negligence in devising such a high-risk procedure. Focusing on the milligram dosage that killed Jackson diverts attention away from Murray’s gross negligence. What killed Jackson was an arrogant physician playing with anesthesia without proper training, experience or certification."

About the Author:
John M. Curtis Ph.D. is editor of OnlineColumnist.com, the Web's leading source of nonpartisan commentary analyzing spin in national and global news. He's a consultant, seminar trainer and news analyst on national radio shows. Dr. Curtis is considered the nation's leading authority on SPIN in the news. His politically neutral commentaries appear in U.S. and foreign newspapers. You can find his columns on OnlineColumnist.com.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: Grace on January 01, 2011, 01:34:23 PM
TMZ,

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/kschort85/CATS/laughing-cat.jpg)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: Le Papillon Bleu on January 01, 2011, 01:35:21 PM
Quote from: "Grace"
TMZ,

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/kschort85/CATS/laughing-cat.jpg)
:lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on January 01, 2011, 01:53:56 PM
hmmm...the TMZ photo gallery, linked in the article, was up long before this story was posted. I don't know exactly when the gallery was posted on TMZ but I was looking at it yesterday morning (December 31). Seems odd that the would use a previously posted photo gallery for a new article.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: ~Souza~ on January 01, 2011, 01:58:42 PM
Quote from: "Grace"
TMZ,

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/kschort85/CATS/laughing-cat.jpg)

Stop it! My sides hurt!

(http://www.thosefunnypictures.com/resize.php?file=pictures/6330/Funny_Pictures_6330.jpg)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: scorpionchik on January 01, 2011, 03:03:18 PM
"Defense believes"   :?: This is a criminal matter, they have to prove, not believe/ guess.
Where is frigin tapes of video camera? Have they forgotten about it? What if MJ appears with tapes proving murder attempt? That would be a BAAAAM!
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: DancingTheDream on January 01, 2011, 03:14:30 PM
Didnt Pearl Jnr say that she thinks the trial will be about AEG and not Murray???   Seems its going that way now.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: paula-c on January 01, 2011, 03:26:19 PM
Weak Michael?... weak  I am with the Hangover of end of year :?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: paula-c on January 01, 2011, 03:30:15 PM
Quote
DancingTheDream wrote:

Didnt Pearl Jnr say that she thinks the trial will be about AEG and not Murray??? Seems its going that way now.


Joe Jackson has spoken of the guilt of AEG, and La Toya has said that Murray is the "scapegoat"
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: DancingTheDream on January 01, 2011, 03:37:23 PM
Quote from: "paula-c"
Quote
DancingTheDream wrote:

Didnt Pearl Jnr say that she thinks the trial will be about AEG and not Murray??? Seems its going that way now.


Joe Jackson has spoken of the guilt of AEG, and La Toya has said that Murray is the "scapegoat"

Yes i know.. but Pearl Jnr theory is that it will be AEG on trial, and not Murray.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: ~Souza~ on January 01, 2011, 04:21:32 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Quote from: "paula-c"
Quote
DancingTheDream wrote:

Didnt Pearl Jnr say that she thinks the trial will be about AEG and not Murray??? Seems its going that way now.


Joe Jackson has spoken of the guilt of AEG, and La Toya has said that Murray is the "scapegoat"

Yes i know.. but Pearl Jnr theory is that it will be AEG on trial, and not Murray.

Yeah, Pearl jr. also showed us that 'door' remember? Because she believed the fake MJ. She is also selling her book and making money out of all this.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: DancingTheDream on January 01, 2011, 04:23:19 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"

Yeah, Pearl jr. also showed us that 'door' remember? Because she believed the fake MJ. She is also selling her book and making money out of all this.

Yeah. i know all this.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: paula-c on January 01, 2011, 04:38:38 PM
If we follow the money trail, who had been the most benefited from the London concert?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: happythoughts on January 01, 2011, 06:35:41 PM
Not weak, skinny maybe, but not weak.

This is the 777th topic on this subforum :D
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: MJhasSpoken on January 01, 2011, 09:58:04 PM
Quote from: "StrangerInCalifornia"
Quote from: "MJhasSpoken"
They seem to be paying more attention in handing out advice on what CM should do that they wrote the wrong tours under two of the pics.Two of the pics (that was stated on the comments area) say that no.7 and no.15 are listed as the wrong tours.

Thanks ForstAMoon :D
Yea the incorrect labeling of the pictures bothered me too, but they were so obvious. Maybe a little too obvious considering the numbers are 7 and 15. BAM date anyone?? There happens to be a full moon on 7/15/2011! "See you in July!"  :D

Yeah, that also made me think about the redirect by TIAI with something to do with the full moon, we recently had a lunar eclipse and in July this year is also a lunar eclipse.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: Grace on January 02, 2011, 06:50:34 AM
For savouring...

TMZ has learned ...
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[...]
All of this dovetails
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into a defense
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theory ...
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that Jackson felt enormous pressure
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to rehearse for the "This Is It" tour,
(http://www.worldwideticketing.com/images/tours/london-bus-tour/bus.jpg)

and when he couldn't sleep
(http://www.apostrophe.at/upload/2008/05/sleepless.jpg)

he relied on "Prop-of-fool"
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e1/Citiza_kane.jpg/220px-Citiza_kane.jpg)

to do the trick.
(http://rlv.zcache.com/keep_staring_i_might_do_a_trick_tshirt-p235173050785236928uosp_400.jpg)

[youtube:w6ae07z5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qy85wO0j5Kw[/youtube:w6ae07z5]

The defense
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_orZtZMfkcDI/SJtK9ELGnhI/AAAAAAAABI8/Ir5yJb5skBM/s400/funny+cat+photos.jpg)

believes
(http://reason.com/assets/mc/jwalker/2010_04/believe.jpg)

(http://www.meinungs-blog.de/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/akte-x-2.jpg)

when Murray walked out of the room
(http://i1034.photobucket.com/albums/a428/willisrocks/WALKOUT2010.jpg)

and Jackson woke up,
(http://institutechildrenslit.net/Writers-First-Aid-blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/wake-up-call.jpg)

he accidentally
(http://googlemodules.com/image/screenshot/100FA05D-3998-AB28-7D9D-B79DC4659ACF.jpg)

infused himself
(http://images.sweatband.com/upload/products/main/Spalding-NBA-Infusion-Professional-Basketball.jpg)

with a fatal
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dose
(http://blogs.adobe.com/collabmethods/files/collabmethods/images/tin-can.jpg)

of the drug
(http://www.mumsnet.com/cms/uploads/microsites/fivealive-dodo-on-sand-1.jpg)

out of frustration
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ckBlasgNSzg/SymG9F7_SCI/AAAAAAAAQYM/t-xOPk3ej-g/s400/Swimming+Cat.jpg)

and fear.
(http://www.nicefunnyjokes.com/images/visual-jokes/transportation/best-way-to-get-a-healthy-fear-of-flying-cefjiklpbdgicefj.jpg)

...
(http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/division-and-rush-comic-strips/assets_c/2009/10/innocent-until-proven-guilty-thumb-580xauto-22517.jpg)
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Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: raphaelleanique on January 02, 2011, 10:15:01 AM
Supergreatjob, Grace!! :D  :lol:  :D

TMZ is feeding an MJtabloidtrashclichee.And Murrays profile of being a scapegoat/fall guy is getting stronger.Yeah, breaking news; the public is being fed ;No matter what
                                                                                 You just wanna read it again
                                                                                No matter what
                                                                                You just wanna feed it again


Now is the cliche of MJ being weak and fragile (the pic of him sitting in a wheelchair is missing ;) ) with contradicting pictures of a strong and convincing MJ in concerts being used as a wake up call for the public to open up their eyes, or is this bad journalism?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial
Post by: ~Souza~ on January 02, 2011, 12:19:36 PM
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Grace, that was hilarious. Thank you for that! :lol:  :lol:
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