Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: LiberianGirl on December 17, 2009, 04:28:07 PM
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I think most of us (or all of us) beLIEve that Michael is alive but this question has been always on my mind. I just want to learn what you guys think about it. Is Michael going to come back or is he going to hide in the rest of his life? What do you think?
I have multiple thoughts about this. Actually I was so sure that he was going to come back but lately I started to think that he won't. Let me tell you why I think that he may come or may not come back.
He may come back because;
Actually on the first hand, we should know why he did this but we have several theories about it. If he did this to give a lesson to the media, to earn money and spend it for the good of this earth and people, to make a film etc. he will come back. Whatever the reason is, he is hiding now and he is going out in disguise. But it must be so hard for him to get out with plastic make-up all the time, isn't it? It must be hard not to spend his whole time with his kids and getting out as himself. If he didn't do this thing just to hide in the rest of his life, he will come back.
And also in my opinion again, why would he do this to run away NOW? Why NOW? He was not in the spotlight lately, was he? He should have done this during the trials, I mean when the media is chasing him all the time. But why did he do it now? There must be a reason for him to do this more important than escaping from the media trash. And Michael is a fighter. He never gave up and I don't think that he would give up now.
He may not come back because;
Which one of the hoaxers came back? Elvis (if he really did it), Andy and the rest? Nope, none of them came back. So why would Michael come back? All of his family and friends try to make us believe that he's really dead. Why do they so much insist that he's dead if he will come back in any time? How could Michael make everything legal if he comes back? He had fake death reports and LAPD, coroner etc involved in this. So how could he make it legal?
I have so many thoughts spinning in my head. I will write more later as more as I remember. Pls write and share your thoughts too because I do wonder what you guys think about this. Thank you all for reading and sharing :)
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I have to agree with the "He may not come back " part.
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Maybe he's not comin back in the way we think he will...
Maybe he stays in the background doin some movies like he wanted to do..
Otherwise, sometimes I think he will come out of nowhere to see the dumb faces of the journalists when he enters the stage....but I think it's not his style..
I'm still not sure
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Maybe he's not comin back in the way we think he will...
Maybe he stays in the background doin some movies like he wanted to do..
Otherwise, sometimes I think he will come out of nowhere to see the dumb faces of the journalists when he enters the stage....but I think it's not his style..
I'm still not sure
It would be so great to see the haters' faces :D
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i wish i knew :(
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i'm 98% he's alive but 2% he isn't!! i've seen so many tributes and stuff to him.. irrelevant of the legal stuff just everyone around the world has pretty much played tribute to him!! orchestras which was very emotional.. and so on!! so can you imagine the feelings from them people.. etc!!
i dunno.. i would love him to come and just say "yeah i'm fine with my family etc!! thats it see you all later guys!!" the tabliods SUCK!!
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I once got an email from one of his closest friends and he wrote me that Michael is really dead and adviced me to move on.
Okay, I know I said that I would not bother with this stuff anymore, but a friend of mine sent me a link to your post, and I have to respond to this.
If Michael's closet friend sent you an email stating that Michael is really dead and that it is time for you to move on, maybe you should take their advice. :lol:
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@BCorn
my advice to you is go away :!:
@everybody else : He's not coming back...
Because...He's sleeping with me :!: :!: :!:
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I once got an email from one of his closest friends and he wrote me that Michael is really dead and adviced me to move on.
Okay, I know I said that I would not bother with this stuff anymore, but a friend of mine sent me a link to your post, and I have to respond to this.
If Michael's closet friend sent you an email stating that Michael is really dead and that it is time for you to move on, maybe you should take their advice. :lol:
This topic is NOT about me getting an email. Which part didn't you get??? Everyone is sharing their thoughts about his come back. This is a long post. Why did you focus on that sentence only? That's interesting really :roll: Is it so hard for you to understand what I wrote or do you have a problem with me? I didn't get it. I'm not going to ask you or noone else to move on or not! If you have moved on what the hell are you doing here then?
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He's got a point to make so we will see Michael back, definitly :D
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He's got a point to make so we will see Michael back, definitly :D
That's what I hope :)
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i think we need closure!! it's not that me personally hasn't moved on but there's so many indiscrepancies it makes you question everything!! once we have closure on it all and the TRUTH!! if certain people are willing to share what the have found.. then WOO HOO for us all..
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I really want to know more about that "sign language" in TII.
Wish we had someone who could check that for us. Cause if hereally did say that in SL then I belive he is alive and will come back.
Tbh i think thats the decider for me =/
L.O.V.E
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@BCorn-if you claim to have an email from a "close friend" of Michael and are not willing to give proof or CANNOT state who it is then please-and I think I can vouch for many, we do not wish to know. Anyone of us could state stuff like that-indeed some have and didn't last long. With all due respect we are sick of these cryptic posts that do not give any proof or any reason for us to belive of their authenticity.
As for Michael coming back-I am not one of the ones who has been waiting, I think he is alive but I have never thought and cannot think he will return. I have said my reasons in other threads. He cannot return.
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He's got a point to make so we will see Michael back, definitly :D
That's what I hope :)
I'm postive. It would be odd to hoax a death, leave tons of clues en then...nothing? :lol:
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Michael is a showman and he will come back...he loves the adoration and he has every right to enjoy it. I mean which person starts their career at the age of 5???? I admire him for that.
He once said whilst receiving an award for artist of the millennium that "God gave me the gift of song and the world gave me a chance to be heard...and you aint seen nothing yet! wowwwwwww i fell in love with him all over again :oops:
On a off note people always go on about how he behaved childish and regressed...i mean why don't people also say he was behaving like a mature adult when he was little or he sang the songs like a adult would....i mean they did not find that strange...or maybe he grew up more quicker than normal...but what is normal??? :lol:
link to above quotehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q05eanhuEik
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I once got an email from one of his closest friends and he wrote me that Michael is really dead and adviced me to move on.
Okay, I know I said that I would not bother with this stuff anymore, but a friend of mine sent me a link to your post, and I have to respond to this.
If Michael's closet friend sent you an email stating that Michael is really dead and that it is time for you to move on, maybe you should take their advice. :lol:
@BCorn:
Please explain this to me coz i don't get it.... I don't know how long you've been a member here.. But at some point you had to believe that Michael wasn't dead RIGHT????
And then you decided to back away from this... Saying hes dead... I respect your opinion on that... But heres the situation... If you really believe hes dead WTH are you doing here???? We don't need your disrespect at all.. Remember you used to be a believer... We don't want to read all your negative post..
As for the rest of the members in here... If BCorn post again DON'T READ IT...
What are we here for????? RIGHT MICHAEL JACKSON
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@BCorn-if you claim to have an email from a "close friend" of Michael and are not willing to give proof or CANNOT state who it is then please-and I think I can vouch for many, we do not wish to know. Anyone of us could state stuff like that-indeed some have and didn't last long. With all due respect we are sick of these cryptic posts that do not give any proof or any reason for us to belive of their authenticity.
As for Michael coming back-I am not one of the ones who has been waiting, I think he is alive but I have never thought and cannot think he will return. I have said my reasons in other threads. He cannot return.
Thank you Harley. I never mentioned that his friend told me the truth or I believed in that person or anything else. I don't get why people jump on each other without a reason. All I wanted to do is to learn what you think about his come back. Respect each other people and do NOT jump before you understand what that person is trying to say.
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this is what i was trying to get at before!!
also if people are gonnas PM each other with facts etc!! how are we to move on!!
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I once got an email from one of his closest friends and he wrote me that Michael is really dead and adviced me to move on.
Okay, I know I said that I would not bother with this stuff anymore, but a friend of mine sent me a link to your post, and I have to respond to this.
If Michael's closet friend sent you an email stating that Michael is really dead and that it is time for you to move on, maybe you should take their advice. :lol:
@BCorn:
Please explain this to me coz i don't get it.... I don't know how long you've been a member here.. But at some point you had to believe that Michael wasn't dead RIGHT????
And then you decided to back away from this... Saying hes dead... I respect your opinion on that... But heres the situation... If you really believe hes dead WTH are you doing here???? We don't need your disrespect at all.. Remember you used to be a believer... We don't want to read all your negative post..
As for the rest of the members in here... If BCorn post again DON'T READ IT...
What are we here for????? RIGHT MICHAEL JACKSON
Thank you, very well said. I think she was trying to have fun with me for whatever reason :roll: I never mentioned that I believed in Michael's friend email or nothing like that. I don't get why she jumped but WHATEVER ...
Michael is the only reason why we are all here and I will keep on digging till I find what I expect to find. There must an end for all of this. And I will wait till that end. Hope that end brings us Michael back but this is a journey, an adventure and I want to continue this journey with sensitive, smart and loving people.
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The only way Michael can come back could be if he's in the witness protection program. That would explain how the coroner and the police involved into this. What do you guys think about it?
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Maybe he's not comin back in the way we think he will...
Maybe he stays in the background doin some movies like he wanted to do..
Otherwise, sometimes I think he will come out of nowhere to see the dumb faces of the journalists when he enters the stage....but I think it's not his style..
I'm still not sure
It would be so great to see the haters' faces :D
It would be awesome to see their faces.. Oh i wish i could take a picture of all these faces :lol: :lol: :lol:
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The only way Michael can come back could be if he's in the witness protection program. That would explain how the coroner and the police involved into this. What do you guys think about it?
Yah it could work... Good theory
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The main reason why he will come back are his kids.
"Daddy is on holiday" but not too long, maybe 6 months, December 25 Comeback date....imo
Why i am almost sure he will come back on 25?? His house was decorated inside and outside with christmas things in summer.
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The main reason why he will come back are his kids.
"Daddy is on holiday" but not too long, maybe 6 months, December 25 Comeback date....imo
Why i am almost sure he will come back on 25?? His house was decorated inside and outside with christmas things in summer.
I think you're talking about the wreaths on the main door. But they have been keeping them since the previous X-Mas because Blankets loves X-Mas. Hope he does come back on 25th tho :) That would be the BEST X-Mas ever! :)
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@BCorn-if you claim to have an email from a "close friend" of Michael and are not willing to give proof or CANNOT state who it is then please-and I think I can vouch for many, we do not wish to know. Anyone of us could state stuff like that-indeed some have and didn't last long. With all due respect we are sick of these cryptic posts that do not give any proof or any reason for us to belive of their authenticity.
As for Michael coming back-I am not one of the ones who has been waiting, I think he is alive but I have never thought and cannot think he will return. I have said my reasons in other threads. He cannot return.
Thank you Harley. I never mentioned that his friend told me the truth or I believed in that person or anything else. I don't get why people jump on each other without a reason. All I wanted to do is to learn what you think about his come back. Respect each other people and do NOT jump before you understand what that person is trying to say.
Well all I can say to this is I am not the only one to suggest this post of yours was very misleading, I answer to what I read and if you have not written in a clear, precise and not misleading way then please do not blame me of being disrespectful. I always post without insults and certainly without innuendo's and claims which obviously the wording of your post would suggest you are perhaps even if intended or not are guilty of. Please do not insult my intelligence, integrity or manners.
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Maybe he's not comin back in the way we think he will...
Maybe he stays in the background doin some movies like he wanted to do..
Otherwise, sometimes I think he will come out of nowhere to see the dumb faces of the journalists when he enters the stage....but I think it's not his style..
I'm still not sure
It would be so great to see the haters' faces :D
It would be awesome to see their faces.. Oh i wish i could take a picture of all these faces :lol: :lol: :lol:
Also the un believers' faces :lol: I love all MJ fans but some of them make me say arrrghhhhhh lol You show them everything but still they don't even believe their own eyes. I just want to say "Yeah I knew it. Didn't I tell you?" to them when he comes back so so much :D
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@BCorn-if you claim to have an email from a "close friend" of Michael and are not willing to give proof or CANNOT state who it is then please-and I think I can vouch for many, we do not wish to know. Anyone of us could state stuff like that-indeed some have and didn't last long. With all due respect we are sick of these cryptic posts that do not give any proof or any reason for us to belive of their authenticity.
As for Michael coming back-I am not one of the ones who has been waiting, I think he is alive but I have never thought and cannot think he will return. I have said my reasons in other threads. He cannot return.
Thank you Harley. I never mentioned that his friend told me the truth or I believed in that person or anything else. I don't get why people jump on each other without a reason. All I wanted to do is to learn what you think about his come back. Respect each other people and do NOT jump before you understand what that person is trying to say.
Well all I can say to this is I am not the only one to suggest this post of yours was very misleading, I answer to what I read and if you have not written in a clear, precise and not misleading way then please do not blame me of being disrespectful. I always post without insults and certainly without innuendo's and claims which obviously the wording of your post would suggest you are perhaps even if intended or not are guilty of. Please do not insult my intelligence, integrity or manners.
Okkayyy everyone is getting weird today. Harley I thanked you there. So why are you getting upset and think that I wrote that intelligence thing to you? Why did you take it personal? Seriously I'm sorry but I really don't get why people are trying to jump on each other today. I didn't mention you there. Pls don't do this. No reason to get it wrong and be upset.
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The only way Michael can come back could be if he's in the witness protection program. That would explain how the coroner and the police involved into this. What do you guys think about it?
I HAVE SAID THE SAME IN ANOTHER THREAD..IT MAKES ALOT OF SENSE. THEY HAVE THE POWER TO FALSIFY ALL THAT.
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The only way Michael can come back could be if he's in the witness protection program. That would explain how the coroner and the police involved into this. What do you guys think about it?
I HAVE SAID THE SAME IN ANOTHER THREAD..IT MAKES ALOT OF SENSE. THEY HAVE THE POWER TO FALSIFY ALL THAT.
ok so let's think about this theory. If he's in the witness protection program, someone or something has threatened his life which scares me. or he will use the program just as a cover. I mean there's been nothing threatened his life but that's the only way for him to show everything legal and come back.
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The only way Michael can come back could be if he's in the witness protection program. That would explain how the coroner and the police involved into this. What do you guys think about it?
I HAVE SAID THE SAME IN ANOTHER THREAD..IT MAKES ALOT OF SENSE. THEY HAVE THE POWER TO FALSIFY ALL THAT.
ok so let's think about this theory. If he's in the witness protection program, someone or something has threatened his life which scares me. or he will use the program just as a cover. I mean there's been nothing threatened his life but that's the only way for him to show everything legal and come back.
Whatever has happened, I've always believed Michael hoaxed his death for serious reasons. Whether he went into hiding via witness protection is something I've contemplated too. That would be the most logical and legal way for him to get around faking his death without legal ramifications and probably more acceptance via a return to the world at large. I don't know if that's where he is gone. I don't know if he will comeback either. If it's for a movie like others have suggested, then I guess a comeback will occur.
Whether a comeback will happen or not will depend on the circumstances and reason for this hoax and whether Michael enjoys the fame or the freedom the most. Hard one to answer. I hope for now he is just enjoying the freedom away from the glare of cameras in his face and people following him around 24/7.
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People who gets into the program, gets a new ID, name and a location as far as I know. So Michael can have a brand new name and that makes him to travel easily hmmm And the only way to get out of the program is, the situation that threatens you needs to stop or get caught. Is there someone who knows more about the witness protection program?
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Why the witness protection? As far as I know it's illegal to fake a death :?:
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Why the witness protection? As far as I know it's illegal to fake a death :?:
it IS illegal and the only way to make it legal is the witness protection program. That's the reason why I thought that he could be in that program. it's my opinion only :)
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Witness protection/relocation is not just for people who have been threatened its also for people who are involved in a dangerous situation that will require a trial and the witness protection pretty much holds you over untill the trial is over or as long as you need protection. I dont know if it would work differently with celebrities since theyre known world wide, but I would doubt it. We will just have to wait it all out!
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It's obvious from BCorn email that Michael's "close friend" is not in on the hoax. Not all his friends are, just certain special ones. I guess Michael's close friend just ain't that special.
Now, with regards to whether or not we will ever see MJ again....I dunno. I hope and pray that we do and that one day we learn the truth behind all this. In terms of, is faking a death illegal, well, Paul McCartney faked his death once and didn't get arrested for it. I think it is only illegal if you do it for things like getting insurance money. Did Michael's family cash in on any insurance policies? From what I know so far, I think they are only divying up $$ that is in his estate, not any insurance policies. And anyway, with the amount of money MJ has to begin with (and I believe had before his "death"), he has the means and the kahonas to fake his death, return one day, and get away with it. The only ones who I think would want to see the King jailed is the media, for making them look like the bunch of fools that they are....IMHO.
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It's obvious from BCorn email that Michael's "close friend" is not in on the hoax. Not all his friends are, just certain special ones. I guess Michael's close friend just ain't that special.
Now, with regards to whether or not we will ever see MJ again....I dunno. I hope and pray that we do and that one day we learn the truth behind all this. In terms of, is faking a death illegal, well, Paul McCartney faked his death once and didn't get arrested for it. I think it is only illegal if you do it for things like getting insurance money. Did Michael's family cash in on any insurance policies? From what I know so far, I think they are only divying up $$ that is in his estate, not any insurance policies. And anyway, with the amount of money MJ has to begin with (and I believe had before his "death"), he has the means and the kahonas to fake his death, return one day, and get away with it. The only ones who I think would want to see the King jailed is the media, for making them look like the bunch of fools that they are....IMHO.
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Also, California is one of the few states that have their own program, covering crimes not covered by the federal branch.
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Sorry for the double post. It told me to review it since more replies occurred. So, I did and posted and now there are two. Seeing doubles.
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I'm torn, I kinda think maybe he wont come back cause if he managed to pull this off once why ruin it? I'tl never work twice! :lol: Someone here said he wasn't in the spotlight anymore but he was still dealing with law suits left and right and because he wasn't in the spotlight much anymore perhaps he didn't think people would dig too much... maybe he was really depressed and clearly not thinking straight on this. :roll:
But most of the time I think nahh!! He's up to something some things are simple in life. First of all, why would he have said in TII "It's an adventure, a great adventure" "I want to take them places they've never been before, show them things they've never seen before" could those statements really have been about Michael having a come back tour? Sounds kinda duh to me... you know Michael still seemed like a down to earth person for stuff like that.
:roll: But really I'm uncertain... when you are emotionnaly involved in something it is hard to see clearly so when I find things are getting too complicated or contradictory to keep up with I always remind myself to come back to basics. You know the more simple things in life, HUMAN NATURE! :geek:
If you're reading this Michael I LOVE YOU!!! I TRULY DO. ;)
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It's all for love right!?!
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Sorry, this is kinda off topic but does someone here know who BCorn is? Does this BCorn really have contact with a close friend of Michael's and if yes how does anyone know if that friend in question is being truthfull?
I was just wondering... dont know if anyone else was but there's nothing like cold hard facts :D
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I think he's up to something too.There's so many clues,odd things,like he wants us to know he's alive.Many things he said in the TII movie...L.O.V.E..great adventure...the speech he says at the end to the dancers but looking in the camera like his talking to us...all those things make me hope for a comeback,in what way,that I don't know!If he would want just to desapear,and live in the shadow for the rest of his life,I think,we would not be talking about a hoax,we would believe that he's dead.To many screw-ups on purpuse...Maybe it's wishfull thinking for me but I'm keeping the faith ;)
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I was watching Moonwalker last night and after watching it again I realized Michael has an ongoing theme with a lot of his videos/short movies. Transformation seems to be the underlying theme.
I.E.:
Moonwalker-transformation into a car, larger than life TRANSFORMER robot, spaceship
Thriller-werewolf, zombie
Ghost-skeleton, giant monster
At the end of these movies he's also resurrected.
He's also known for the disguises and being someone else other than the King of Pop.
So IMO, I think he will return, but not as the King. Maybe he's on a mission to transform his identity, possibly into a director. Or maybe the message of transformation is trying to tell us to change something about ourselves into something positive so we can change the world. I'm not sure and I don't want to ramble on, so we'll just have to wait and see. :)
L.O.V.E.!!!
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Which one of the hoaxers came back? Elvis (if he really did it), Andy and the rest? Nope, none of them came back. So why would Michael come back? All of his family and friends try to make us believe that he's really dead. Why do they so much insist that he's dead if he will come back in any time? How could Michael make everything legal if he comes back? He had fake death reports and LAPD, coroner etc involved in this. So how could he make it legal?
I have so many thoughts spinning in my head. I will write more later as more as I remember. Pls write and share your thoughts too because I do wonder what you guys think about this. Thank you all for reading and sharing :)
Well I don't believe Elvis hoaxed his death. Sadly I think he really did pass. But Elvis was not in the spotlight since the age of 5 like Michael was. Elvis' life consisted of other things before fame and stardom. Michael became a star so young that thats all he knew. Which is why the argument that Michael would come back because he wouldn't know what to do with such a boring quiet life out of the spotlight is feasble.
And if Michael hoaxed it and the whole thing with his middle name is a mixup on purpose than it sounds like he would want to come back "in his own time" which is why he allowed the name Joseph to be used instead of Joe because Joe is his real name. So since many of the docs will be invalid with the name Joseph Michael has a way to come back
I don't know I'm still very confused on the middle name thing.
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I have to admit. I too, am thinking along the lines of how we all need closure! This has been one hell of a ride since June 25th? Closure. We all need to know exactly what happened even if MJ returns or not. The one thing that I keep thinking as far as him not returning is why? Why go through all of these things to come back? MJ has been in the spotlight all of his life right? I know some are saying the adoration of the fans. But he has had and enjoyed that for many years. If he has hoaxed , then where could he be. I mean this is MJ we are talking about. Recognizable just about anywhere! His kids. MJ would not do the hoax to his children. Legalwise. Even though some are saying his legal issues are few, Would MJ risk it though? After the trials and other mishaps? How long can you hide when you are one of the most famous people on the planet? Those things I stated are why I feel not. THen, on the other hand, well nobody has even saw a body! Hospital officials speaking has not happened! Clashes of everyone's stories! NO body! James Brown, Elvis, the world saw a body! But MJ not. The inconsistencies are what lead us to believe in the fact that he hoaxed but does it mean he wanted to come out? Maybe he left all of these clues for the true MJ followers to say" Hey I am still here, these are clues to let us know I (MJ) is still here but do not plan on making a comeback. U know? To put us fans at ease. Of course MJ knows the world and media will think of him as deceased. But this (the clues) were left for true MJ fans to grieve his absence but sorta have peace in knowing Yep he is still alive somewhere! We grieve his absence, but rejoice in the fact that he is still here? U follow me? Either way we need closure. The faMILY'S BEHAVIOR IS OFF! idk WHAT TO THINK ANYMORE!!. Witness protection I, mean Marlon does wear that FBI hat. MY biggest thing with this hoax is if we all be realistic where in the heck could MJ hide for sooo long without being caught or recognized. THe media has followed him around for years, bookstores, resteraunts, malls, u know?: Im just saying. :cry:
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If I were MJ I would not come back, I would enjoy the peace and quiet with my children. But I would love to have a chance to see him again, if he did come back I doubt it would be the way we know him to look like in the past. But who knows the legal stuff is what always gets me, and don't think he would put his kids through more court bs, and possiable jail time ect, but Im not a high paid lawer and don't know all the loop holes out there because there are ALWAYS loop holes in everything! ;)
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I still think that Mj could walk around as himself or in disguise and many would not be the wiser.
The more and more the news reports him to be gone, Michael is a little free-er to walk around in disguise or possibly even himself and only few would know it was him. Many others who would witness him would doubt themselves.
JMO
p.s. i remember when I was younger I was so sure i saw Ben Stein at a shopping I had gone to but no one believed me when I told them simply becuase they thought he wouldnt be here in this town.
Can you imagine a guy who is supposed to be gone being seen somewhere many people would recognize him but then doubt themselves.
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i think he will come back if he wasnt he wouldnt leave clues for fans that would be giving false hope for no reason. Didnt we establish that the coroner is an actor and so is murray why would a coroner have twitter and murray was in a film! Investigator resigned remember and death certificate not signed so fake no way is that death valid just wouldnt happen in reality! I always thought hed comeback hes the biggest star in the world hes beaten everyone when he comes back the love from the fans will be incredible hell be back just like the old days maybe at neverland since the brothers spoke about it on larry king and ther were enthusiastic werent they? jermaine did a programme on it and in threatenend which was in the movie the man says never neverland thats the place :P :o 8-) :lol: :D :) ;)
Love you michael!!!!! :!: :!: :!:
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Im with both of the two theories. This is why Im split. Im 50%/50%. I cant decide... Its really confusing.
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Xspeechlessx, the sign language from TII is "With all my heart there is more. I will show myself to you all. Piano games did a youtube video about it. The title of his videos are "Michael Jackson could be still alive." I forget which part. His videos are very interesting and informative.
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This may sound naive, but I think he might come back after Obama settles things like health care or the he might come back in 2012 (I am reffering to the This is it theory of global warming)
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The only way Michael can come back could be if he's in the witness protection program. That would explain how the coroner and the police involved into this. What do you guys think about it?
Yes that's what I think - I don't think he can come back unless the authorities are involved and would take the brunt of any flack he'd receive. Personally, I don't think there's much point in faking a death unless there is a very important reason - teaching the press a lesson is not a good enough reason and would be regarded as fraud by the Authorities.
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People who gets into the program, gets a new ID, name and a location as far as I know. So Michael can have a brand new name and that makes him to travel easily hmmm And the only way to get out of the program is, the situation that threatens you needs to stop or get caught. Is there someone who knows more about the witness protection program?
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/United_States_Federal_Witness_Protection_Program
heres the link for the info regarding witness protection program in the US. theres no further info however regarding california law.
I can share what I know but only based on the laws of our country (PHILIPPINES). they can be somehow similar as we pattern our judicial system in the US.
ADMISSION INTO THE PROGRAM- any person who has witnessed or has knowledge or information on the commission of a crime and has testified or is testifying or about to testify before any judicial or quasi judicial body, or before any investigating authority, maybe admitted to the program.
Provided that:
a. the offense in which his testimony will be used is a grave felony as defined under the revised penal code, or its equivalent under special laws.
b. his testimony can be substantially corroborated in its material points.
c. he or any member of his family within the second civil degree of consaguinity or affinity is subjected to threats to his life or bodily injury or there is a likehood that he will be killed, forced, intimidated, harrassed or corrupted to prevent him from testifying or to testify falsely or evasively because or on account of his testimony.
RIGHTS AND BENEFITS
to have a secure housing facility until he has testified or until the threat, intimidation or harrassment disappears or is reduced to a manageable or tolerable level. when the circumstances warrant, the witness shall be entitled to relocation and or change of personal identity at the expense of the program. this right may be extended to any member of the family of the witness within the second level of consanguinity or affinity.
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In that case its entirely possible but if he returned, the same threat that made him fake his death in the first place would still be there.
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BCorn ยป Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:37 pm
I once got an email from one of his closest friends and he wrote me that Michael is really dead and adviced me to move on.
Okay, I know I said that I would not bother with this stuff anymore, but a friend of mine sent me a link to your post, and I have to respond to this.
If Michael's closet friend sent you an email stating that Michael is really dead and that it is time for you to move on, maybe you should take their advice.
Bcorn,
if you believe he is dead then why did you come back to the site? You believe you have your answer so why bother? What proof did this close friend of Michael's have shown you that you now believe he is dead? Did you ask or you just took his word for it? If you know something just share it. Why do people continue to keep playing silly games? I just don't understand it. If you believe he is gone let it be.
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I have to admit. I too, am thinking along the lines of how we all need closure! This has been one hell of a ride since June 25th? Closure. We all need to know exactly what happened even if MJ returns or not. The one thing that I keep thinking as far as him not returning is why? Why go through all of these things to come back? MJ has been in the spotlight all of his life right? I know some are saying the adoration of the fans. But he has had and enjoyed that for many years. If he has hoaxed , then where could he be. I mean this is MJ we are talking about. Recognizable just about anywhere! His kids. MJ would not do the hoax to his children. Legalwise. Even though some are saying his legal issues are few, Would MJ risk it though? After the trials and other mishaps? How long can you hide when you are one of the most famous people on the planet? Those things I stated are why I feel not. THen, on the other hand, well nobody has even saw a body! Hospital officials speaking has not happened! Clashes of everyone's stories! NO body! James Brown, Elvis, the world saw a body! But MJ not. The inconsistencies are what lead us to believe in the fact that he hoaxed but does it mean he wanted to come out? Maybe he left all of these clues for the true MJ followers to say" Hey I am still here, these are clues to let us know I (MJ) is still here but do not plan on making a comeback. U know? To put us fans at ease. Of course MJ knows the world and media will think of him as deceased. But this (the clues) were left for true MJ fans to grieve his absence but sorta have peace in knowing Yep he is still alive somewhere! We grieve his absence, but rejoice in the fact that he is still here? U follow me? Either way we need closure. The faMILY'S BEHAVIOR IS OFF! idk WHAT TO THINK ANYMORE!!. Witness protection I, mean Marlon does wear that FBI hat. MY biggest thing with this hoax is if we all be realistic where in the heck could MJ hide for sooo long without being caught or recognized. THe media has followed him around for years, bookstores, resteraunts, malls, u know?: Im just saying. :cry:
I think about the same things with you. This is Michael Jakcson, so how could he hide this long? Did he go out in a disguise all the time? On the other hand there're several body doubles, impersonators around. Maybe that was the reason why he used those doubles in TII and in London. Those impersonators go out with their MJ suits. So maybe Michael can go out as himself and people would think that he's just an impersonator :)
And also he used lots of Resurrection themes in TII like the scene in Thriller, the butterflies and his red shirt 77 written on it. 77 means Resurrection. And the things he said like "I need to breath in my own time". These all show there will be a comeback. BUT he might have given all the clues to let the fans know that he's still alive. For us to know the truth and don't be sad. Maybe he gave all the clues just for this. I don't know. I'm 50% on both sides for a comeback.
I also think about what we will do and feel like if he doesn't come back! We will never learn what really happened to him, if he's fine or not, if he's happy or not and even we will never be sure that he's alive! And when I think like that, this sux you know. I want to concentrate on the bright side but I can't help myself. I think these too.
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King of Pop, Rock and Soul is definitely dead . Michael Jackson is alive but we won't be ''noticed'' about this. It's too dangerous and what good? To enter again in the media's mouth???
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Hi, everybody! i am a new member and this is my first post.I think that my english is not as good as i would like but i will do my best. I am a 99% sure that he is alive but i am almost sure that he will not be back. Can you imagine how people that show their pain and admiration for MJ would feel if suddenly one day he appears and say " hello i'm back...I did it just for..."?, I mean imagine the faces of Usher, Beyonce, Madonna, Bono, Stevie Wonder..etc. Do you really think that everybody will forgive him?, well i know i will do, i have already done but...the world will turn against him again. I just hope that he will enjoy his new life and never regret of his choice.
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Hi, everybody! i am a new member and this is my first post.I think that my english is not as good as i would like but i will do my best. I am a 99% sure that he is alive but i am almost sure that he will not be back. Can you imagine how people that show their pain and admiration for MJ would feel if suddenly one day he appears and say " hello i'm back...I did it just for..."?, I mean imagine the faces of Usher, Beyonce, Madonna, Bono, Stevie Wonder..etc. Do you really think that everybody will forgive him?, well i know i will do, i have already done but...the world will turn against him again. I just hope that he will enjoy his new life and never regret of his choice.
Hi and a very warm welcome. Your English is excellent and you have written a very good post which I agree with 100%. I cannot think for one minute that he will come back, apart from the legal inplications he would be hated so much that the ordeal he went through in 05 will have seemed like a rehearsal. Just seems to me some members want a return and have convinced themselves he cannot stay away and he loved to perform etc but they are forgetting that he is now 51 years old and most people retire at not much older, how long could he have gone on performing like he did? especially with arthiritis, his best days have gone and he had the sense to know that. At around the time of Thriller he was at the very peak of his career and indeed if he hadn't "died" he would never ever duplicate those times when he was at the very top of the whole pop world. No-one has ever reached such stardom and adoration and never will again and he knew it. Sorry to say it but I hope he doesn't come back, I hope he doesn't ever have to put up with the hate and ridicule he has had to endure for years now. I think those who are insisting he will be back and convincing themselves are not thinking of Michaels best interests, in fact it is selfish to expect him to be back. And don't forget what you all want may not be the same thing that Michael wants. I think 45 years of not being able to do anything at all without it reported in the press etc is quite enough for anyone.
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King of Pop, Rock and Soul is definitely dead . Michael Jackson is alive but we won't be ''noticed'' about this. It's too dangerous and what good? To enter again in the media's mouth???
That's exactly what i believe...
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I believe he comes back. Not like: Hi, I am back. No not like that. Maybe a message from his home you know. Yeah, the media will go after him again but they already did that his whole life and I think the media would also be like.. woops, we didn't knew that :P
I can't imagine that he would not coming back and trying to live his life. He wants to be with his kids all the time and be with them while their growing up. Even Michael can't do that without going outside and stuff.. I also think he would miss his fans and would feel horrible to live till his end and knowing there are fans that are depressed because he 'died'.
So I really think he will come back. When? Whenever he is ready ;)
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I too, think that he will not/should not come back. One of you posted that were Michael to come back it would make the 2005 media feeding frenzy look like a rehearsal. I agree. However this time, as we the fans are more informed, more knowlegable, aware, the 'media' would also face our wrath. They would face wrath like they have never experienced, and I would be one of the ones to lead it. It would be ugly on both sides this time; not just the media asserting only their position. There might even be real violence, as the fans, exact their repressed anger, on an institution that took pride and glee in hurting this amazing 'creature'.
On the other hand, I also sometimes think something entirely different. I often think that, what if Michael 'is gone', ten those behind Michael being taken (ie. forcibly 'transitioned') are pushing the 'hoax' story to distract us. If we think this is a hoax, than we do'nt press for further criminal investigation, and Conrad Murray and all the others are off the hook.
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I also think about what we will do and feel like if he doesn't come back! We will never learn what really happened to him, if he's fine or not, if he's happy or not and even we will never be sure that he's alive! And when I think like that, this sux you know. I want to concentrate on the bright side but I can't help myself. I think these too.
I agree with you on that..But I also I think that MJ is stronger than we give him credit for, and I think a comeback is very possible. Whatever the media throws at him, he can handle. Besides, when you really think about it, all they can't really blame him or ridicule him about anything! What he's done is an astounding work of genius, just like his career, you can't deny that. I'm sure the media won't be entirely coddling and mushy about it, they'll want answers or whatever but MJ will provide them- I also have a feeling that if he does come back he will abandon at least some of that "shy enigma" persona and act more like he did at the O2 announcement. I think he'll want to let the strength and maturity he's gained since the trial shine through. I mean, when I saw that Geraldo interview he seemed so confident, not weak or scared at all! I think that may have been why he acted that way at the O2, like a preview of his new attitude. I think that he has many, many important things to say and do- if he said he believes in that 2012 thing in TII, that "we only have 4 years", I think he's more concerned about the planet than we know and wants to do something- BIG- in order to get people to take him seriously again. Think about it- "death" has "redeemed" him in a LOT of people's eyes and proven his genius, just as Thriller did. If he comes back, they'll be rabid to hear what he has to say! (Come on, haters, they know they will too, even if they say otherwise! :D )
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If I had confirmation that he's indeed alive..and coming back..I wouldn't be here..
I just think he's alive..because the proofs for him being alive are stronger than
the proofs being death. This is just my opinion....
Of course I want to see him coming back..showing the world who the real king is...
but I don't know for sure.
I remember 2 months after his death..until his birthday...there was a little bit good press
and mostly bad press....
They wrote the most ridiculous things...
-druggy
-spoon fed
-relationship with nanny grace
-gay
-pedophile
-high debts and so on...
There are almost no new headlines...everything bad what could have been written, is now already written.
So if he returns. it just proves not to believe everything TMZ claims to know from some
"sources"...and Jermaine isn't a doctor, but a good actor.
The media should be ashamed..not MJ
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King of Pop, Rock and Soul is definitely dead . Michael Jackson is alive but we won't be ''noticed'' about this. It's too dangerous and what good? To enter again in the media's mouth???
That's exactly what i believe...
That's exactly what i not believe, what about his kids? Don't forget them, Michael is a father...
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King of Pop, Rock and Soul is definitely dead . Michael Jackson is alive but we won't be ''noticed'' about this. It's too dangerous and what good? To enter again in the media's mouth???
That's exactly what i believe...
That's exactly what i not believe, what about his kids? Don't forget them, Michael is a father...
exactly Keepthefaith
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Hi, everybody! i am a new member and this is my first post.I think that my english is not as good as i would like but i will do my best. I am a 99% sure that he is alive but i am almost sure that he will not be back. Can you imagine how people that show their pain and admiration for MJ would feel if suddenly one day he appears and say " hello i'm back...I did it just for..."?, I mean imagine the faces of Usher, Beyonce, Madonna, Bono, Stevie Wonder..etc. Do you really think that everybody will forgive him?, well i know i will do, i have already done but...the world will turn against him again. I just hope that he will enjoy his new life and never regret of his choice.
Hi and a very warm welcome. Your English is excellent and you have written a very good post which I agree with 100%. I cannot think for one minute that he will come back, apart from the legal inplications he would be hated so much that the ordeal he went through in 05 will have seemed like a rehearsal. Just seems to me some members want a return and have convinced themselves he cannot stay away and he loved to perform etc but they are forgetting that he is now 51 years old and most people retire at not much older, how long could he have gone on performing like he did? especially with arthiritis, his best days have gone and he had the sense to know that. At around the time of Thriller he was at the very peak of his career and indeed if he hadn't "died" he would never ever duplicate those times when he was at the very top of the whole pop world. No-one has ever reached such stardom and adoration and never will again and he knew it. Sorry to say it but I hope he doesn't come back, I hope he doesn't ever have to put up with the hate and ridicule he has had to endure for years now. I think those who are insisting he will be back and convincing themselves are not thinking of Michaels best interests, in fact it is selfish to expect him to be back. And don't forget what you all want may not be the same thing that Michael wants. I think 45 years of not being able to do anything at all without it reported in the press etc is quite enough for anyone.
Harley when I use the word "comeback" I never mention him to come back to the stage and give concerts. No. I mean if he announce that he's alive and keep on living his life. That's what I mean with a come back. I personally don't expect him to give concerts or extra performances. I just want him to be happy and safe. But it would be so hard for all of us if we don't hear anything from him now on. We can never be sure of if he is fine or not, if he's alive or not. That's what I'm talking about and that's what I mean with a come back :)
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What interesting posts! I believe that Michael Jackson the man is still with us, but I think MJ the "King of Pop" is gone. I believe this because there were underlying reasons that we do not as yet know. However, it has been stated that he wanted out of the concerts a week before his death. Perhaps he was in tremendous pain and was exhausted. Somehow, he found a way out. Otherwise, none of us would feel the way we do. Has any other celebrity who died inspired hoax videos, forums, websites, blogs, etc.?
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It is his choice what he will do. I will think about it. He also knows that there will be people acting really stupid about the hoax. He knows that. And I am sure he will get lots of protection the first months. He knows what to do ;)
Just wait and see :D
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Harley when I use the word "comeback" I never mention him to come back to the stage and give concerts. No. I mean if he announce that he's alive and keep on living his life. That's what I mean with a come back. I personally don't expect him to give concerts or extra performances. I just want him to be happy and safe. But it would be so hard for all of us if we don't hear anything from him now on. We can never be sure of if he is fine or not, if he's alive or not. That's what I'm talking about and that's what I mean with a come back :)
Boy, your thoughts there sound like mine! He's got important things to say, I believe, read my other post.
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Harley when I use the word "comeback" I never mention him to come back to the stage and give concerts. No. I mean if he announce that he's alive and keep on living his life. That's what I mean with a come back. I personally don't expect him to give concerts or extra performances. I just want him to be happy and safe. But it would be so hard for all of us if we don't hear anything from him now on. We can never be sure of if he is fine or not, if he's alive or not. That's what I'm talking about and that's what I mean with a come back :)
Boy, your thoughts there sound like mine! He's got important things to say, I believe, read my other post.
What's your post? I'll try to find it now :)
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I dont want Michael to come back just to perform and stuff... In my belief I want Michael to come back because I think we all want an explaination. Its the unknown thats killing me. Wanting to know why he did this. I too am very afraid he will be more hated than loved if he comes back.
I spoke to a NON-MJ fan close friend of mine. She said she also believes Michael is alive but she thinks he did it because he didn't want his career to fade out and be a has-been. She thinks he did it because he wanted to end his title as the King Of Pop at the height of his career so people would remember him as a memorable legend and not as a fading star. I think she has good a point and plausible theory for not even being a fan. And if he did it for that reason then I think he will never come back as the Michael we knew him.
Michael invited us to his heart and to his soul, he shared his music and passion with us and we demanded more and more. Michael opened up the door to his legacy for us so its not so hard to understand why it stings a little after he closed it up. I knew who Michael was before I even knew who my biological father was. I grew up with him, we all did. This is why most of us are demanding answers, we are missing a big part of our heart. I know it may sound selfish, but this can be hard for some people to digest. Especially me. I think we all deep inside already know the answer to why he needed to do this because he is also a private person who needs his private life and we only knew his public life.. But I guess its the feeling of being abandoned by someone we loved so deeply throughout our entire lives. At least I feel this way.
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Harley when I use the word "comeback" I never mention him to come back to the stage and give concerts. No. I mean if he announce that he's alive and keep on living his life. That's what I mean with a come back. I personally don't expect him to give concerts or extra performances. I just want him to be happy and safe. But it would be so hard for all of us if we don't hear anything from him now on. We can never be sure of if he is fine or not, if he's alive or not. That's what I'm talking about and that's what I mean with a come back :)
Boy, your thoughts there sound like mine! He's got important things to say, I believe, read my other post.
Yes, I see what you are saying and it has and will I think continue to be hard for us all. We would like some sort of assurance that he is indeed alive and safe but unfortunately if he does manage to get this message across properly life for him wouldn't be worth living- I don't mean so called obscure "clues" like on his kids T-shirts, MJ masquerading as Dave Dave or Blonde lady or clues in numbers or paintings which I think are far too far fetched and if many believed in them wholeheartedly 100% they would not feel the need to be on this forum any longer as they will have had closure. What i mean is good solid word from Michael-like you say a sort of comeback but this is really quite impossible, I bet for every staunch fan like us there will be another 20 or 30 or even more ready to rip him apart. He's been trying to say important things for years, he has been a great donater to charities etc. He has said all he has to say so why should he come back to be slaughtered even more than he was at the time of the court case. Believe me if word and proof got out that he was alive do you honestly think the papers headlines be about his "message", about what he had to say to the world? Not a hope in hell!! Wacko Jacko backo and even worse! We have to be brave and consider what I think to be the inevitable that it is not feasable nor logical to come back or give any "proof" that he is alive-it would be catastrophic for him.
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I dont want Michael to come back just to perform and stuff... In my belief I want Michael to come back because I think we all want an explaination. Its the unknown thats killing me. Wanting to know why he did this. I too am very afraid he will be more hated than loved if he comes back.
I spoke to a NON-MJ fan close friend of mine. She said she also believes Michael is alive but she thinks he did it because he didn't want his career to fade out and be a has-been. She thinks he did it because he wanted to end his title as the King Of Pop at the height of his career so people would remember him as a memorable legend and not as a fading star. I think she has good a point and plausible theory for not even being a fan. And if he did it for that reason then I think he will never come back as the Michael we knew him.
I have been saying this for a long time-who wants to be an old fogey has been? I said exactly the same months ago but I was ignored and still members posted that he could not "not" perform etc. It is a better way than just retire-the paps would always be seeking him out and he could not live the rest of his years in the comfort and lifestyle he has always known forever without a great income every year. Elvis has made more since his death than ever when he was alive and Michael knew this. I cannot somehow visualise Michael walking round the local supermarket in disguise doing the weeks shop counting if he had enough money.
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I have been saying this for a long time-who wants to be an old fogey has been? I said exactly the same months ago but I was ignored and still members posted that he could not "not" perform etc. It is a better way than just retire-the paps would always be seeking him out and he could not live the rest of his years in the comfort and lifestyle he has always known forever without a great income every year. Elvis has made more since his death than ever when he was alive and Michael knew this. I cannot somehow visualise Michael walking round the local supermarket in disguise doing the weeks shop counting if he had enough money.
Exactly. I agree with you on this completely. Im not saying Michael is that shallow that shopping groceries and going to K Mart or ASDA, driving his own car and picking up his children from public school would be beneath him. It's just that this would never be possible for him to do in peace anyways. No matter if he retired, everyone would haunt him. Paparazzi would snap pics of the retired old singer who is growing old and saggy and diehard stalker fans would chase him and demand a comeback. He would not be able to live a normal life anyway. If everyone thinks he is dead, he can retire and live a normal life without peoples attention and demands.
Like Marlon said: Maybe now Michael, they will leave you alone.
I never understood the meaning of what he said at the memorial, but I think I do now. I know exactly what he was implying now.
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Harley when I use the word "comeback" I never mention him to come back to the stage and give concerts. No. I mean if he announce that he's alive and keep on living his life. That's what I mean with a come back. I personally don't expect him to give concerts or extra performances. I just want him to be happy and safe. But it would be so hard for all of us if we don't hear anything from him now on. We can never be sure of if he is fine or not, if he's alive or not. That's what I'm talking about and that's what I mean with a come back :)
Boy, your thoughts there sound like mine! He's got important things to say, I believe, read my other post.
Yes, I see what you are saying and it has and will I think continue to be hard for us all. We would like some sort of assurance that he is indeed alive and safe but unfortunately if he does manage to get this message across properly life for him wouldn't be worth living- I don't mean so called obscure "clues" like on his kids T-shirts, MJ masquerading as Dave Dave or Blonde lady or clues in numbers or paintings which I think are far too far fetched and if many believed in them wholeheartedly 100% they would not feel the need to be on this forum any longer as they will have had closure. What i mean is good solid word from Michael-like you say a sort of comeback but this is really quite impossible, I bet for every staunch fan like us there will be another 20 or 30 or even more ready to rip him apart. He's been trying to say important things for years, he has been a great donater to charities etc. He has said all he has to say so why should he come back to be slaughtered even more than he was at the time of the court case. Believe me if word and proof got out that he was alive do you honestly think the papers headlines be about his "message", about what he had to say to the world? Not a hope in hell!! Wacko Jacko backo and even worse! We have to be brave and consider what I think to be the inevitable that it is not feasable nor logical to come back or give any "proof" that he is alive-it would be catastrophic for him.
I do agree with you about the media part and lmao for Wacko Jacko backo :lol:
I think the same thing BUT it depends on how he comes back. Don't you think? If he's in the witness protection program and if he explains the dangerous situation he was in, people and the media wouldn't jump on him so harsh. Of course they're going to be rude again but it would be smoother if he comes back with a witness protection program.
I was trying to make sure that you understand what I wanted to mean with a comeback :)
Actually I'm pretty sure that he's alive. I mean I'm almost convinced that he's alive but I can not get enough lol I want to learn more and more lol :lol:
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I dont want Michael to come back just to perform and stuff... In my belief I want Michael to come back because I think we all want an explaination. Its the unknown thats killing me. Wanting to know why he did this. I too am very afraid he will be more hated than loved if he comes back.
I spoke to a NON-MJ fan close friend of mine. She said she also believes Michael is alive but she thinks he did it because he didn't want his career to fade out and be a has-been. She thinks he did it because he wanted to end his title as the King Of Pop at the height of his career so people would remember him as a memorable legend and not as a fading star. I think she has good a point and plausible theory for not even being a fan. And if he did it for that reason then I think he will never come back as the Michael we knew him.
Michael invited us to his heart and to his soul, he shared his music and passion with us and we demanded more and more. Michael opened up the door to his legacy for us so its not so hard to understand why it stings a little after he closed it up. I knew who Michael was before I even knew who my biological father was. I grew up with him, we all did. This is why most of us are demanding answers, we are missing a big part of our heart. I know it may sound selfish, but this can be hard for some people to digest. Especially me. I think we all deep inside already know the answer to why he needed to do this because he is also a private person who needs his private life and we only knew his public life.. But I guess its the feeling of being abandoned by someone we loved so deeply throughout our entire lives. At least I feel this way.
That's very logical.
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@LiberianGirl, yes I agree with you there and I do believe if he was in danger for his life and if this was the case and it was a witness protection thing then yes he can come back BUT when and will it be ever safe for him to return? Obviously it is not just one or two guys who he felt he was in danger from and more than likely an group or organisation and if if a few are brought to justice and proven to be a threat to Michael and corrupt how do we know there are not many? The corrupt usually have very many on their side so is quite possible Michael could always be in danger as he will have made them a laughing stock of the whole corrupt "underworld" and got the better of them/made them look like idiots.
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@LiberianGirl, yes I agree with you there and I do believe if he was in danger for his life and if this was the case and it was a witness protection thing then yes he can come back BUT when and will it be ever safe for him to return? Obviously it is not just one or two guys who he felt he was in danger from and more than likely an group or organisation and if if a few are brought to justice and proven to be a threat to Michael and corrupt how do we know there are not many? The corrupt usually have very many on their side so is quite possible Michael could always be in danger as he will have made them a laughing stock of the whole corrupt "underworld" and got the better of them/made them look like idiots.
I agree. I've always thought why he decided to get into the protection program (if he's really into that of course). I mean he was in danger always. illuminati wasn't a threat to him lately only, they have been a threat to him always. the reason why he got into the program is important. I aslo think if he used illuminati threat to make a better comeback and to make people open their eyes and not believe in the media trash, make a better world and many more I'm sure that he did this whole thing for several reasons. It's not the illuminati threat only. That's my opinion :)
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For me Michael could nerver be a has-been.Some artist has been around for a long time and they just reinvented themself and matures with their style and age(hope you understand what I mean).I think 50 years old,your far from beeing finish,not an artist of that caliber.Look a Madonna,Bon jovi,Sting just to name a few, keep doing real good music.So if Michael would come back,he has plenty to offer still,just maybe in a differnt style.If he does not comeback,to me ,it doesn't have nothing to do about wanting to leave to not get old in front of the world,afraid of desapointing us,or beeing a fadded star.It's for other reasons that I don't know.I have also a hard time,if he never come back,with the children living this hoax for the rest of his life but if he does,it's for very good reasons.I trust him.Hope I'm not beeing rude,that's not my intention :oops:
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AnnieIsNotOK, you're not rude at all. This is a place for all angles of discussion. Thanks for your opinion and I do agree with you too. Infact, I agree with all of you. Thats why Im so torn in what to believe in. :(
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AnnieIsNotOK, you're not rude at all. This is a place for all angles of discussion. Thanks for your opinion and I do agree with you too. Infact, I agree with all of you. Thats why Im so torn in what to believe in. :(
That's what I feel exactly right now. I've just watched a video and it hit my face. I always thought that London 02 guy was an impersonator but now I'm convinced that he was Michael himself. I was so sure about that but now I understand that I was wrong and having bad feelings about it.
Anyways, would you like to hit me on the face with a wet fish or a big pillow? lol That was helpful the previos day so it can work out now too lol :lol:
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He's may not come back because he's free for the first time in his life. Pls read my other post.
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1781 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1781)
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I truly believe that if Michael is alive,( I believe that he is) that he will definitely come back! It doesn't make sense otherwise. Why would he go to all the trouble of leaving so many "clues" for us if he didn't plan on coming back? If he wanted to "die" and be gone forever, then he wouldn't have left any clues for us...common sense. Michael would never stay away from his children forever and he wouldn't have "un-masked" them just prior to his "death" if he didn't plan on coming back, he would have kept them hidden. Michael thought long and hard about all of this. Remember Michael has an important message for the whole world and this was the only way he could get his message out to the masses, but he will come back and together we will all Heal the world!
Also...we can't forget that Michael wanted to do something innovated with "film" and we know that he was working on the "dome project" before his untimely "death", but we have never seen the 3D film yet so I believe he will come back and we will see Michael"s film creation in all its glory. I've said this before and I still believe it to be true, that "This Is It" was just a 2hr "Trailer" for what is yet to come when Michael makes his return, otherwise they would have shown a lot more footage of Michaels 3D re-makes of Thriller, Smooth Criminal and Earth song. I believe that he has something Major in the works for us, a "concert film extravaganza" that can be seen by the world without him having to actually tour! I also believe that Michael was "behind the camera" so to speak, for the "memorial" the "funeral" and probably the "Jack5on Family Dynasty" reality show as well. That would certainly be "Innovated"! This is just my opinion of course, but it makes total sense to me.
For me there are just too many "unanswered questions" and too many "coincidences" and inconsistencies in all the stories pertaining to Michael really being "dead" and until I have 100% proof otherwise, I firmly believe that Michael is alive and well and that he has something "Monumental" in store for us when he returns!
Hurry back Michael...I love you!
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I also think about what we will do and feel like if he doesn't come back! We will never learn what really happened to him, if he's fine or not, if he's happy or not and even we will never be sure that he's alive! And when I think like that, this sux you know. I want to concentrate on the bright side but I can't help myself. I think these too.
I agree with you on that..But I also I think that MJ is stronger than we give him credit for, and I think a comeback is very possible. Whatever the media throws at him, he can handle. Besides, when you really think about it, all they can't really blame him or ridicule him about anything! What he's done is an astounding work of genius, just like his career, you can't deny that. I'm sure the media won't be entirely coddling and mushy about it, they'll want answers or whatever but MJ will provide them- I also have a feeling that if he does come back he will abandon at least some of that "shy enigma" persona and act more like he did at the O2 announcement. I think he'll want to let the strength and maturity he's gained since the trial shine through. I mean, when I saw that Geraldo interview he seemed so confident, not weak or scared at all! I think that may have been why he acted that way at the O2, like a preview of his new attitude. I think that he has many, many important things to say and do- if he said he believes in that 2012 thing in TII, that "we only have 4 years", I think he's more concerned about the planet than we know and wants to do something- BIG- in order to get people to take him seriously again. Think about it- "death" has "redeemed" him in a LOT of people's eyes and proven his genius, just as Thriller did. If he comes back, they'll be rabid to hear what he has to say! (Come on, haters, they know they will too, even if they say otherwise! :D )
Here's my post for ya, LG.
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For me Michael could nerver be a has-been.Some artist has been around for a long time and they just reinvented themself and matures with their style and age(hope you understand what I mean).I think 50 years old,your far from beeing finish,not an artist of that caliber.Look a Madonna,Bon jovi,Sting just to name a few, keep doing real good music.So if Michael would come back,he has plenty to offer still,just maybe in a differnt style.If he does not comeback,to me ,it doesn't have nothing to do about wanting to leave to not get old in front of the world,afraid of desapointing us,or beeing a fadded star.It's for other reasons that I don't know.I have also a hard time,if he never come back,with the children living this hoax for the rest of his life but if he does,it's for very good reasons.I trust him.Hope I'm not beeing rude,that's not my intention :oops:
Oh my, I feel the same- Michael is incapable of being a has-been! My favorite rock band is the Red Hot Chili Peppers- they started out in the Thriller era and only two years ago they swept the Grammys. They're by no means has-beens! I, too, would understand if he doesn't come back, but I just hope I would survive to old age never knowing for sure what happened to him.. :cry:
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Exactly. I agree with you on this completely. Im not saying Michael is that shallow that shopping groceries and going to K Mart or ASDA, driving his own car and picking up his children from public school would be beneath him. It's just that this would never be possible for him to do in peace anyways. No matter if he retired, everyone would haunt him. Paparazzi would snap pics of the retired old singer who is growing old and saggy and diehard stalker fans would chase him and demand a comeback. He would not be able to live a normal life anyway. If everyone thinks he is dead, he can retire and live a normal life without peoples attention and demands.
Like Marlon said: Maybe now Michael, they will leave you alone.
I never understood the meaning of what he said at the memorial, but I think I do now. I know exactly what he was implying now.
Very nicely said. I say that becuase maybe Michael thought of himself as not as good as he used to.
In my opinion and I'm sure in the opinion of TONS of others, Michael could still break womens hearts with his masculine good looks, marvellous voice and awesome dance moves which still put younger dancers to shame. but to him maybe he thought he wasnt what he "used to be" so he wanted to leave the spotlight.
but wouldnt that mean he will not come back?
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I truly believe that if Michael is alive,( I believe that he is) that he will definitely come back! It doesn't make sense otherwise. Why would he go to all the trouble of leaving so many "clues" for us if he didn't plan on coming back? If he wanted to "die" and be gone forever, then he wouldn't have left any clues for us...common sense. Michael would never stay away from his children forever and he wouldn't have "un-masked" them just prior to his "death" if he didn't plan on coming back, he would have kept them hidden. Michael thought long and hard about all of this. Remember Michael has an important message for the whole world and this was the only way he could get his message out to the masses, but he will come back and together we will all Heal the world!
Also...we can't forget that Michael wanted to do something innovated with "film" and we know that he was working on the "dome project" before his untimely "death", but we have never seen the 3D film yet so I believe he will come back and we will see Michael"s film creation in all its glory. I've said this before and I still believe it to be true, that "This Is It" was just a 2hr "Trailer" for what is yet to come when Michael makes his return, otherwise they would have shown a lot more footage of Michaels 3D re-makes of Thriller, Smooth Criminal and Earth song. I believe that he has something Major in the works for us, a "concert film extravaganza" that can be seen by the world without him having to actually tour! I also believe that Michael was "behind the camera" so to speak, for the "memorial" the "funeral" and probably the "Jack5on Family Dynasty" reality show as well. That would certainly be "Innovated"! This is just my opinion of course, but it makes total sense to me.
For me there are just too many "unanswered questions" and too many "coincidences" and inconsistencies in all the stories pertaining to Michael really being "dead" and until I have 100% proof otherwise, I firmly believe that Michael is alive and well and that he has something "Monumental" in store for us when he returns!
Hurry back Michael...I love you!
YOU took the words right out of my mouth!! A while ago someone mentioned ..actually I think it might have been jacksonologist that said if Michael was goint to "die" and never return he could have come up with something that would make it final and with no quesions.
His children, this is a big part to me. Why reveal them then? How can you expect them to hide this for the rest of their lives. Thats the part that keeps me thinking about a return of some sort. I don't think any parent would ask that of their children, for them to live like that, he wanted as much normalcy as possible. JMO
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Again and again, I agree with all of your responces. :P
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I have a few things to say, but i think you wont like to hear it at all. It`s just my opinion and maybe i don`t know MJ as well as you. First: Mj is not a saint neither an angel, he is just a man, why do i say this? because i think that money is the main reason for the hoax(not the only one): he has 3 children, a father, a mother and a lot of brothers and all of them depends financially of him.Second: if he will retire without doing a big last apperance, telling the world that he was preparing such a big concert and getting back the attention of the people he would just be forgotten, but now he has cleared his image and his name, he is adored again and he has become a legend like Elvis, James dean...he will always be remembered like a great artist, still young enough for dancing and singing and in my opinion still very good looking.And the last point is: do you really think he was in danger? why? the last few years he was doing nothing, away for the media, i know that he said it in many occasions but i think it was just an intend to get attention. I know that what i have just said is not good but ...come on! he is just a human being and i don't blame him for doing those things, i am not telling you that he is not charitable, humanitarian, loving and a very good person, for sure that he is, but remeber that he is also a very good businessman and he always knew how to promote his career and how to manage and manipulate the music and media industry( and why not to say...the audience).I would like to say as well that makes me so happy that he finally get the respect and admiration that he deserves.
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Loveneverfeltsogood, I agree with you also. Since the beginning I thought he did this for the sake of money. Some might not agree with me but Michael was in dept and everyone knows youre worth more dead than alive and the movie made millions and faking your death sadly is a great way to make PR for yourself.
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Implying there's no comeback,I'm questionning the "he's free now" ...I'm thinking,how can he be free,because he is the most well known face on earth,so he really would have to hide very well,no more contacts but only with VERY FEW trusting poeple,no more traveling with his children,no more shopping(wich he loves)no more much of anything...how can that equal to freedom...sounds more like prison for me but I'd like to know your thoughts about that please.
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hello all, i just registered and this is my first post here. :roll:
i don't think there would be much reasons for him NOT to come back. whenever i think about it i only get the reasons for him to come back. the only thing that makes me wonder that none of the hoaxers came back ever. i know that should not be a strong reason to talk about for not Michael not coming back but just the thought that Elvis and others didn't come back, my mind starts asking me "why on earth would Michael Jackson come back then???"
but, Michael DID leave so many clues (also in the movie which i sometime think was made only to tell us that he is alive and will be back)! i wasn't even born when Elvis died so i'm not so expert in the hoax theories about his death. i don't know if except the strange things that didn't add up (such as his DC which had the wrong date of death), if there was anything that we can call "clues". clues are things that someone gives you in the purpose for you to find it out! Michael gave us clues! the "s" in "pains" at the memorial, lots of clues in the TII movie, songs like threatened, morphine and xscape are clear proofs and not just things that we can doubt on. i hope i'm being able to make you understand what i want to say! :?
as i just said above, when someone wants you to know the truth they give you hints like "ok this is a hint now you guess..." Michael gave us hints like that. SO, WHY would Michael give us hints and clues if he doesn't want to come back??? wouldn't it be more sensible to fake his death and giving us no idea of what actually happened? cause believing he is alive, we will have to spend the rest our lives and he won't come back (which i never hope will be), it will only increase our pain(s) and there would be people who already call us psychos for believing he's alive trying to make our lives hell! i don't know if Michael would have thought about it like this though, but i really don't think he would have given us the clues if he didn't have plans to come back.
reasons why he could come back :
1. the children, he can't live all his life away from his children,
2. if he wanted to escape (as we are told in his lyrics), he can't really escape faking his death. he can't go out without disguise. so in my opinion he could enjoy this life for awhile, but not forever.
3. the clues i was talking about
4. especially the after credits part in TII (where he says he'll come back and BAM!)
i can't recall all the reasons at this moment i will repost if i remember.
reasons why he could not come back :
1. elvis didn't. he followed elvis.
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Implying there's no comeback,I'm questionning the "he's free now" ...I'm thinking,how can he be free,because he is the most well known face on earth,so he really would have to hide very well,no more contacts but only with VERY FEW trusting poeple,no more traveling with his children,no more shopping(wich he loves)no more much of anything...how can that equal to freedom...sounds more like prison for me but I'd like to know your thoughts about that please.
He just has to wait one maybe two years and then nobody will be looking for him( nobody but us :lol: ).He just has to change a few things of his look, put on some weight, tint his hair or use different wigs, no make up... you know what i mean, no more look like the king of pop and, do you think that somebody will recognize him? even us are not sure if was him the one that appears in TII or was an impersonator, and i am sure that he will find the way to be with hes kids, maybe in few months they hire a new bodyguard...who knows!
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Implying there's no comeback,I'm questionning the "he's free now" ...I'm thinking,how can he be free,because he is the most well known face on earth,so he really would have to hide very well,no more contacts but only with VERY FEW trusting poeple,no more traveling with his children,no more shopping(wich he loves)no more much of anything...how can that equal to freedom...sounds more like prison for me but I'd like to know your thoughts about that please.
He just has to wait one maybe two years and then nobody will be looking for him( nobody but us :lol: ).He just has to change a few things of his look, put on some weight, tint his hair or use different wigs, no make up... you know what i mean, no more look like the king of pop and, do you think that somebody will recognize him? even us are not sure if was him the one that appears in TII or was an impersonator, and i am sure that he will find the way to be with hes kids, maybe in few months they hire a new bodyguard...who knows!
Well,to change his wig.ok...no make-up hummm(He has some permanent make up)...gain some weight...well(it would have to be a lot)...He would have to do more than this to be unrecognize...About the way he walks,talks...And yes he would managed to be with his children(but in the hidding)...but hire new body guards???How can this be unoticed...the children with new body guards with a fat guy,with permanent make-up,and a blond curly wig...Sorry but I still questionning the freedom thing ;)
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I have a few things to say, but i think you wont like to hear it at all. It`s just my opinion and maybe i don`t know MJ as well as you. First: Mj is not a saint neither an angel, he is just a man, why do i say this? because i think that money is the main reason for the hoax(not the only one): he has 3 children, a father, a mother and a lot of brothers and all of them depends financially of him.Second: if he will retire without doing a big last apperance, telling the world that he was preparing such a big concert and getting back the attention of the people he would just be forgotten, but now he has cleared his image and his name, he is adored again and he has become a legend like Elvis, James dean...he will always be remembered like a great artist, still young enough for dancing and singing and in my opinion still very good looking.And the last point is: do you really think he was in danger? why? the last few years he was doing nothing, away for the media, i know that he said it in many occasions but i think it was just an intend to get attention. I know that what i have just said is not good but ...come on! he is just a human being and i don't blame him for doing those things, i am not telling you that he is not charitable, humanitarian, loving and a very good person, for sure that he is, but remeber that he is also a very good businessman and he always knew how to promote his career and how to manage and manipulate the music and media industry( and why not to say...the audience).I would like to say as well that makes me so happy that he finally get the respect and admiration that he deserves.
I agree with the above, have always thought that money was a part of it. No matter how rich you are if you carry on living the lifestyle Michael did, which includes great donations to charities, subsidising his Mother etc and his lavish lifestyle and expenditure and not doing anything for years the money is soon going to run out. This is a great post that has recognised Michael as a real person and not a saint to be put on a pedestal and some members will not even consider that he was extravagant and loved spending money and always think he couldn't do this to his fans and not return Where were all his fans during the court case? by the end of it they had dwindled to a handful to be there supporting him. He was a good decent man, with more goodness than you will see in most but a man-not an arch angel, not a super being. He has done this for himself and his family and to come back would be insane. Every hoax in the world ever has been for money!
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Ok...If Michael wanted to "disappear" for good then why didn't he do it during the last few years when he was out of the public eye? It doesn't make sense that he would put himself back in the spotlight , by announcing a comeback tour, only to "die" and disappear for good! He could have done that a lot easier during the last few years wehn we didn't hear about him, but no, he waited until the whole world was watching!? Michael is a GENIUS and he left us too many clues...he has a much bigger plan for us!
I'm 47yrs old and for those of you who think Michael was too "old" for a comeback, I beg to differ. I have 6 children and a grandaughter, yet I feel like I'm a 20yr old inside, so don't let Michael's age fool you..he isn't too old!!
Also I was around when Elvis died and the whole "Elvis sightings" thing was totally different. We have footage of Elvis drugged out on stage during performances, so his death by "overdose" wasn't such a surprise and he didn't leave "clues" like Michael has, saying that his death was a "hoax".
Michael's "death" had "hoax" written all over it! There isn't one solid piece of evidence to say that Michael is really "dead"...if there was, I'm sure we wouldn't be here discussing this...would we? We must remember that Michael is very passionate about getting his "message" out to the masses and we didn't listen before so he had to do something drastic to make us listen...I know that this time "I" listened! Did you?
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Guys I thought about something a little bit different than these but I need to make a new post because I have to ask a question and according to its answer I will write what I think about the comeback :) Btw I agree with you all somehow lol
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Pls read this post and tell me what you think :)
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1833 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1833)
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Unreleased song of Michael Jackson. Another clue to me for a come back ;) :D
To Bliss I return!!!
Are You Listening ? (written by Michael Jackson)
Who am I?
Who are you?
Where did we come from?
Where are we going?
Whats it all about?
Do you have the answers?
Immortalitys my game
From Bliss I came
In Bliss I am sustained
To Bliss I return
If you dont know it now
Its a shame
Are you listening?
This body of mine
Is a flux of energy
In the river of time
Eons pass, ages come and go
I appear and disappear
Playing hide-and-seek
In the twinkling of an eye
I am the particle
I am the wave
Whirling at lightning speed
I am the fluctuation
That takes the lead
I am the Prince
I am the Knave
I am the doing
That is the deed
I am the galaxy, the void of space
In the Milky Way
I am the craze
I am the thinker, the thinking, the thought
I am the seeker, the seeking, the sought
I am the dewdrop, the sunshine, the storm
I am the phenomenon, the field, the form
I am the desert, the ocean, the sky
I am the Primeval Self
In you and I
Pure unbounded consciousness
Truth, existence, Bliss am I
In infinite expressions I come and go
Playing hide-and-seek
In the twinkling of an eye
But immortalitys my game
Eons pass
Deep inside
I remain
Ever the same
From Bliss I came
In Bliss I am sustained
Join me in my dance
Please join me now
If you forget yourself
Youll never know how
This game is played
In the ocean bed of Eternity
Stop this agony of wishing
Play it out
Dont think, dont hesitate
Curving back within yourself
Just create just create
Immortalitys my game
From Bliss I came
In Bliss Im sustained
To Bliss I return
If you dont know it now
Its a shame
Are you listening?
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Unreleased song of Michael Jackson. Another clue to me for a come back ;) :D
To Bliss I return!!!
Are You Listening ? (written by Michael Jackson)
Who am I?
Who are you?
Where did we come from?
Where are we going?
Whats it all about?
Do you have the answers?
Immortalitys my game
From Bliss I came
In Bliss I am sustained
To Bliss I return
If you dont know it now
Its a shame
Are you listening?
This body of mine
Is a flux of energy
In the river of time
Eons pass, ages come and go
I appear and disappear
Playing hide-and-seek
In the twinkling of an eye
I am the particle
I am the wave
Whirling at lightning speed
I am the fluctuation
That takes the lead
I am the Prince
I am the Knave
I am the doing
That is the deed
I am the galaxy, the void of space
In the Milky Way
I am the craze
I am the thinker, the thinking, the thought
I am the seeker, the seeking, the sought
I am the dewdrop, the sunshine, the storm
I am the phenomenon, the field, the form
I am the desert, the ocean, the sky
I am the Primeval Self
In you and I
Pure unbounded consciousness
Truth, existence, Bliss am I
In infinite expressions I come and go
Playing hide-and-seek
In the twinkling of an eye
But immortalitys my game
Eons pass
Deep inside
I remain
Ever the same
From Bliss I came
In Bliss I am sustained
Join me in my dance
Please join me now
If you forget yourself
Youll never know how
This game is played
In the ocean bed of Eternity
Stop this agony of wishing
Play it out
Dont think, dont hesitate
Curving back within yourself
Just create just create
Immortalitys my game
From Bliss I came
In Bliss Im sustained
To Bliss I return
If you dont know it now
Its a shame
Are you listening?
where can i get this song???
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Its not actually a recorded song. Its a ''poem'' from his book DANCING THE DREAM.
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I think Michael will come back, what would be the point in doing all this to not return?? i mean he will not heal the world by staying away, and i believe this is what some of this hoax is all about. He will also be more powerful when he returns and he knows this, his message will certainly be heard!! :o 8-)
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Its not actually a recorded song. Its a ''poem'' from his book DANCING THE DREAM.
thanks :) i thought it sounded more like a poem.
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OMG today I found some more new things. I think he's coming back guys. I'll make a post about it :)
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OMG today I found some more new things. I think he's coming back guys. I'll make a post about it :)
oo oo i wanna see it. please tell me where you're gonna make it. :D
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OMG today I found some more new things. I think he's coming back guys. I'll make a post about it :)
oo oo i wanna see it. please tell me where you're gonna make it. :D
I've just posted it with the name of "New Clues" :D
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OMG today I found some more new things. I think he's coming back guys. I'll make a post about it :)
oo oo i wanna see it. please tell me where you're gonna make it. :D
I've just posted it with the name of "New Clues" :D
awesome! thank you! :D
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Np hon. It's really interesting that TMZ posted them all today :D