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TIAI 12/21:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=WYC (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%206:12,13&version=WYC)
Blessings......
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Revelation 6:12
... I saw the Lamb opening the sixth lock. The earth shook very much. The sun became very dark, like the black cloth people wear to show they are sad. The full moon became red like blood.
We are back to the bible re-directs again. Is this to do with the solar eclipse today??
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It's actually a lunar eclipse (not solar) and it's happening right now, but unfortunately it's cloudy where I am so can't see it!
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The redirect is actually to TWO verses:
And I saw, when he had opened the sixth seal, and lo! a great earth-moving was made; and the sun was made black, as a sackcloth of hair, and all the moon was made as blood.
And the stars of heaven felled down on the earth [And stars of heaven fell down upon the earth], as a fig tree sendeth his unripe figs, when it is moved of a great wind.
What is the significance of this?
See http://www.citystatetimes.com/2042/winter-solstice-2010-happens-simultaneously-with-lunar-eclipse-tonight/
There are actually 4 things happening tonight:
1. Winter solstice
2. Full Moon
3. Lunar Eclipse - often will make the moon look red (like blood)
4. Ursids meteor shower - where the stars look like they are falling to the earth
And now.. the end is near.... and so I face... the final curtain.... :)
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I've been standing on my balcony for almost thirty minutes in 20 degree weather and the eclipse is awesome. i am bundled up and the wind is fierce but i don't feel cold. the wind picked up in the total eclipse. a bit eery. i watched the sky go from the light of the moon to complete darkness. i think i saw a flash of blue and purple but nothing more... yet. a great time i've had in prayer and thanksgiving. i'll go back out shortly and reflect on Revelations 6:12.
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Commentary on Revelation 6:12 from http://bible.cc/revelation/6-12.htm (http://bible.cc/revelation/6-12.htm)
And, lo, there was a great earthquake - Before endeavoring to ascertain to what the sixth seal was designed to refer, it is proper, as in the previous cases, to furnish a particular explanation of the meaning of the symbols. All the symbols represented in the opening of this seal denote consternation, commotion, changes; but still they are all significant, and we are to suppose that something would occur corresponding with each one of them. It cannot be supposed that the things here described were represented on the part of the roll or volume that was now unfolded in any other way than that they were pictures, or that the whole was a species of panoramic representation made to pass before the eyes. Thus understood, it would not be difficult to represent each one of these things in a painting: as the heaving ground - the agitated forests - the trembling hills - the falling cities and houses - the sun blackened, and the moon turned to blood:
(a) The earthquake, Revelation 6:12; "There was a great earthquake." The word used here denotes a shaking or agitation of the earth. The effect, when violent, is to produce important changes - opening chasms in the earth; throwing down houses and temples; sinking hills, and elevating plains; causing ponds and lakes to dry up, or forming them where none existed; elevating the ocean from its bed, rending rocks, etc. As all that occurs in the opening of the other seals is symbolical, it is to be presumed that this is also, and that for the fulfillment of this we are not to look for a literal earthquake, but for such agitations and changes in the world as would be properly symbolized by this. The earthquake, as a symbol, would merely denote great agitations or overturnings on the earth. The particular character of those changes must be determined by other circumstances in the symbol that would limit and explain it.
There are, it is said, but three literal earthquakes referred to in the Scripture: that mentioned in 1 Kings 19:11; that in Uzziah's time, Amos 1:1; Zechariah 14:5; and what took place at the Saviour's death. All the rest are emblematical or symbolical-referring mostly to civil commotions and changes. Then in Haggai 2:6-7; "Yet once, it is a little while, and I will shake the heavens and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land, and I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come; and I will fill this house with glory, saith the Lord of hosts." That is, there would be great agitations in the world before he came. See the notes on Hebrews 12:26-28. So also great changes and commotions are referred to in Isaiah 24:19-20; "The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage." An earthquake, if there were no other circumstances limiting and explaining the symbol, would merely denote great agitation and commotion - as if states and empires were tumbling to ruin. As this is here a mere symbol, it is not necessary to look for a literal fulfillment, or to expect to find in history actual earthquakes to which this had reference, anymore than when it is said that "the heavens departed as a scroll" we are to expect that they will be literally rolled up; but if, in the course of history, earthquakes preceded remarkable political convulsions and revolutions, it would be proper to represent such events in this way.
(b) The darkening of the sun: "And the sun became black as sackcloth of hair." Sackcloth was a coarse black cloth, commonly, though not always, made of hair. It was used for sacks, for strainers, and for mourning garments; and as thus worn it was not an improper emblem of sadness and distress. The idea here is, that the sun put on a dark, dingy, doleful appearance, as if it were in mourning. The general image, then, in this emblem, is that of calamity - as if the very sun should put on the robes of mourning. We are by no means to suppose that this was literally to occur, but that some great calamity would happen, of which this would be an appropriate emblem. See the Isaiah 13:10 note; Matthew 24:29 note; Compare Isaiah 24:23; Isaiah 34:4; 1, 3; Isaiah 60:19-20; Ezekiel 32:7-8; Joel 2:10; Joel 3:15-16; Amos 8:9. What is the particular nature of the calamity is to be learned from other parts of the symbol.
(c) The discoloration of the moon: "And the moon became as blood." Red like blood - either from the smoke and vapor that usually precedes an earthquake, or as a mere emblem. This also would betoken calamity, and perhaps the symbol may be so far limited and modified by this as to denote war, for that would be most naturally suggested by the color - red. Compare the notes on Revelation 6:4 of this chapter. But any great calamity would be appropriately represented by this - as the change of the moon to such a color would be a natural emblem of distress.
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hmmm. well southern california is getting hit by torrential rain right now. it completely ruined our chances for seeing the eclipse, which is really sad. but this is very interesting. the bible quotes go beyond me, but i'm so appreciative you guys help me out! thank you so much!
and TS! THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK!!!
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Was 12:21 the time of the 911 call? I think I stared at the moon too long.....lol!
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Was 12:21 the time of the 911 call? I think I stared at the moon too long.....lol!
12:21:04 if I'm not mistaken. :D
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The redirect is actually to TWO verses:
And I saw, when he had opened the sixth seal, and lo! a great earth-moving was made; and the sun was made black, as a sackcloth of hair, and all the moon was made as blood.
And the stars of heaven felled down on the earth [And stars of heaven fell down upon the earth], as a fig tree sendeth his unripe figs, when it is moved of a great wind.
What is the significance of this?
See http://www.citystatetimes.com/2042/winter-solstice-2010-happens-simultaneously-with-lunar-eclipse-tonight/
There are actually 4 things happening tonight:
1. Winter solstice
2. Full Moon
3. Lunar Eclipse - often will make the moon look red (like blood)
4. Ursids meteor shower - where the stars look like they are falling to the earth
And now.. the end is near.... and so I face... the final curtain.... :)
With that final curtain, it's not a coincidence with the mention of red in the Bible Passage and the Lunar Eclipse appearance is it? ;)
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These verses refer to what is going to happen in 2012 I think. Maybe that Michael's return will be the opening of the 6th lock....
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Lunar Eclipse Tonight + Winter Solstice—First in 372 Years
When, where, and how to see the 2010 total lunar eclipse tonight.Main Content
A total lunar eclipse glows red over Germany (file picture).
Photograph by Heribert Proepper, AP
Andrew Fazekas
for National Geographic News
Updated December 20, 1020, 2:55 p.m. ET
In 2010, for the first time since 1638, a total lunar eclipse falls on the winter solstice—a stargazing event almost anyone in North America will be able to see tonight, weather permitting.
Occurring at 6:38 p.m. ET Tuesday, the 2010 winter solstice marks the official beginning of winter in the Northern Hemisphere. The shortest day of the year boasts the year's longest shadows and fewest daylight hours.
It's all due to the Northern Hemisphere being tilted farther from the sun than at any other point during the year. As a result, the sun follows its lowest arc of the year across the sky. (Get more winter solstice facts.)
In the early morning hours of the winter solstice day, many sky-watchers will see the first shadings of a total lunar eclipse.
The entire lunar eclipse will be best seen from North America and western South America. In most of Europe and Africa, the moon will dip below the horizon in mid-eclipse.
Unlike, say, last week's Geminid meteor shower (pictures), a lunar eclipse represents "one of the few times that an astronomical event is easily visible from even the heavily light polluted cities," said Raminder Singh Samra, resident astronomer at the H.R. MacMillan Space Centre in Vancouver, Canada.
"Lunar eclipses are special, in a way, as the observer that is always in the city or too busy to get away can see this from his or her own backyard."
That assumes, of course, that you're in the right place at the right time.
Clouds, for example, can spoil any sky-watcher's night. And the lunar eclipse will be completely invisible to observers in southern and eastern Africa, the Middle East, or southern Asia—though NASA should have just about everyone covered with a live video feed of the lunar eclipse tonight.
(Related picture: "Lunar Eclipse Gives Alien's-Eye View of Earth.")
Lunar Eclipse 101
A lunar eclipse occurs when the moon, Earth, and the sun all line up, with Earth in the middle.
During the eclipse, Earth's shadow is cast onto the full moon, dimming—but not completely obscuring—its surface. Unlike solar eclipses, the lunar varieties are safe to view without any special eyewear.
Lunar eclipses occur twice a year. The previous one fell on June 26, 2010. (See "Lunar Eclipse Saturday to Appear Red?") But the June event was only a partial lunar eclipse.
The winter solstice lunar eclipse will be the first total eclipse of the moon in nearly three years, the last one being on February 20, 2008, according to Singh.
(See solstice pictures: fire rites, druids, and more.)
How to See the 2010 Winter Solstice Lunar Eclipse
Around 1 a.m. ET tonight, you may notice a ghostly shading of the moon, marking the arrival of Earth's faint outer shadow, or penumbra.
Shortly after 1:33 a.m. ET, begin looking for the first signs of a dim "bite"—Earth's shadow—advancing across the moon from the left.
The total eclipse, or totality—when the entire moon is dimmed by Earth's shadow—begins at 2:41 a.m. ET and will last a little over 70 minutes.
Around 3:17 a.m. ET, as the moon plunges into Earth's umbra—the dark center of our planet's shadow—the moon will slowly begin glowing orange.
The last hint of Earth's shadow will slip away around 5:01 a.m. ET.
The next total lunar eclipse will occur on June 15, 2011, and will be best seen from southern Asia and eastern Africa. North Americans will have to wait until April 14, 2014.
(Related: "Solstice a Cause for Celebration Since Ancient Times.")
Why the Moon Turns Reddish During a Lunar Eclipse
Earth's thick, dust-filled atmosphere filters the sunlight shining through it, resulting in the rusty hue of a total lunar eclipse—the same reason the sun looks reddish during sunrises and sunsets.
"If you were on the moon during totality, you would look back at the Earth and see a ring of red light around the perimeter—the red light of all the sunsets and sunrises going on at Earth at that moment," astronomer Benjamin Burress said.
The reason Earth's shadow doesn't make the moon completely dark, even during totality, is that "Earth's atmosphere bends and filters the sunlight to shine a red light on the moon," said Burress, of Chabot Space & Science Center in Oakland, California.
The moon's color during a lunar eclipse can vary from dark gray to blazing orange, according to the amount of dust in Earth's atmosphere at the time.
"A volcanic eruption can put more dust into the atmosphere and increase the effect," Burress said. "Air pollution can do the same."
(Find out how a volcanic eruption in 1761 may have caused an especially dark total lunar eclipse.)
Since there hasn't been such an eruption recently, astronomers are forecasting a bright orange color for the 2010 winter solstice eclipse.
(Also see "Ancient Irish Tomb Big Draw at Winter Solstice.")
Lunar Eclipses: Omens in the Sky?
While there are no known historical records of solstice eclipses, lunar eclipses in general have long been sources of mystery and spectacle—and not necessarily in a good way.
Ancient documents from Asia, Europe, and the Middle East are full of references connecting eclipses with subsequent dark events, such as a famine or the death of a monarch. (Take a moon myths and mysteries quiz.)
In many traditional cultures, a total lunar eclipse occurs not when the moon enters Earth's shadow but when a mythological creature swallows the satellite, according to ancient-astronomy scholar Ed Krupp.
"For the Chinese, it was the heavenly dog, and across central Asia and Europe, it was a dragon," said Krupp, director of the Griffith Observatory in Los Angeles. "The Maya sometimes depicted the eclipse creature as a serpent, while in the Andes, it was often a puma."
In Iraq lunar eclipses are associated with a popular children's story of a moon that is eaten by a whale.
"For most people, most of the time, most eclipses were trouble," Krupp added. "They were regarded as disruptions of the world order, and that made them dangerous."
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*looks up* please, please, please let something important happen today. I'll be good for the rest of this year (which isn't much, so don't ruin my moment)!!!!!
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Thanks TS!! Its extremely cloudy out here so I wasn't able to see the eclipse, but the pictures looks absolutely beautiful!
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The Lunar Eclipse was amazing...GOD is AMAZING!!!
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Thanks TS! God's mysteries are truly breathtaking!
(http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/moon4.jpg?w=620&h=413)
A double expousure picture shows the moon and the monument of The Savior of The World during a total lunar eclipse as seen from San Salvador, El Salvador on December 21, 2010.
Read more: http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/12/21 ... z18keME0dj (http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/12/21/photos-total-eclipse-of-the-moon/#ixzz18keME0dj)
With L.O.V.E. always.
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13 And the stars of heaven felled down on the earth [And stars of heaven fell down upon the earth], as a fig tree sendeth his unripe figs, when it is moved of a great wind.
There will be a shower of meteorites that will hit the planet.
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This way one saw the eclipse where I live
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Even though I am not religious, I like the Bible redirects. Not being religious does not mean I don't believe in anything, it simply means I do not live my life according to a religion. I have had 8 years of Bible study in school and I always liked those classes. We had a teacher who told the stories as if he was there himself and he showed us pictures of the places mentioned in the Bible that he visited. I must honestly say that I do not remember very much of it all, since his classes were almost 20 years ago, but the Bible stories always fascinated me. When TS redirects to a scripture, I like to read the whole piece whenever I have the time and I don't remember ever having read the book of revelation, so I decided to read it today. I have little time today so I will try to post my thoughts on this redirect later. It's interesting. The opening of the 6th seal is shortly before the big battle ahead, Michael and his angels conquering the dragon, the resurrection of Jesus and the final judgement. It's a mess in my head so I will try to make an understandable post when I have had a good night of sleep.
I wonder why TS decided not to link to the King James' version.
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13 And the stars of heaven felled down on the earth [And stars of heaven fell down upon the earth], as a fig tree sendeth his unripe figs, when it is moved of a great wind.
There will be a shower of meteorites that will hit the planet.
Yipiiieee!! :lol:
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So, this redirection was about this moon eclipse?
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13 And the stars of heaven felled down on the earth [And stars of heaven fell down upon the earth], as a fig tree sendeth his unripe figs, when it is moved of a great wind.
There will be a shower of meteorites that will hit the planet.
Yipiiieee!! :lol:
This is my favorite subject Gema I'm serious. :D
So, this redirection was about this moon eclipse?
IDK exactly, I think that it is for the eclipse which by an odd coincidence happens to be on the 12/21/2010 = 2 years before the 12/21/2012 = 2 years before the end of this world. Can it be a sign from God... and the verses TS redirected to, talk about the sun being made black...
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The version TS redirected to interests me. Wycliffe was an interesting person. His vision was that people who believed in God only needed the Bible and did not need priests and churches to believe. He also was against the posessions of the earthly church and he said the church should be poor.
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Souza wrote: He also was against the posessions of the earthly church and he said the church should be poor.
aaaaayyyy Vatican :? :lol:
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"When we speak of the apocalyptic genre we do first prophetic reference to gender because of the drift. John introduces himself as <<profeta>> 6 times in the text. In the Old Testament, the prophet was a messenger, the interpreter of the divine word, is the man sent to constantly remind the holy people of their obligations and the demands of the alliance. To do so may be favored with special revelations concerning an upcoming event, which anticipates and announces in advance the punishments that will weigh on the people of God. Once the disaster occurred, announces restoration perspectives and religious revival. This announcement of the future is to promote this mission of the prophet, the holy people remember their individual or collective moral obligations".
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The version TS redirected to interests me. Wycliffe was an interesting person. His vision was that people who believed in God only needed the Bible and did not need priests and churches to believe. He also was against the possessions of the earthly church and he said the church should be poor.
The moment I saw that the Wycliffe translation was used, I was curious as well. I see you have posted a couple of times about this so far. For some reason I couldn't get it out of my head.....what is it about Wycliffe? It hit me: predestination. I remember reading something about it and John Wycliffe. I looked it up on the net and sure enough on Wikipedia it talked about it:
"Theologically, his preaching was strong belief in predestination that enabled him to believe in the “invisible” church of the elect, made up of those predestined to be saved, rather than in the “visible” church of Rome." from the Wikipedia page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wycliffe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wycliffe)
I don't know too much about predestination belief. It was covered very quickly in a class I once had. However, the name Wycliffe always stuck with me...who knows why, lol!
Anyways, thanks Souza for pointing out the translation.....I think it's great that even though you are not religious per say , you do like and find interesting the bible redirects. I hope others are learning as much as I am....it's truly fascinating.
Blessings Always!
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Thanks for all this info guys. You're awesome! The bible verses fits perfectly with today. Usually, I don't understand the reference but this time, it's clear as day for me.
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The version TS redirected to interests me. Wycliffe was an interesting person. His vision was that people who believed in God only needed the Bible and did not need priests and churches to believe. He also was against the posessions of the earthly church and he said the church should be poor.
Funny you mentioned the Wycliffe version... I just assumed it was because the KJV version was more difficult to understand not realizing that Wycliffe was KJV predecessor and both versions are the same.
So it must be for us to look into the person Wycliffe.
According to Wikipedia Wycliffe was the founder of the Lollard movement and was one of the earliest opponents of papal authority influencing secular power. Wycliffe's last six years include continual attacks upon the papacy and the entire hierarchy of his times. Each year they focus more and more, and at the last, the pope and the Antichrist seem to him practically equivalent concepts.
The Lollard movement believed the Catholic Church was perverted and corrupt in many ways, the Lollards looked to Scripture as the basis for their religious ideas.
Lollard's had 12 Conclusions that pretty much summarize their beliefs http://www.courses.fas.harvard.edu/~chaucer/special/varia/lollards/lollconc.htm
But bottomline, many Lollards believed they were near the end of days, and several Lollard writings claim the Pope to be the Antichrist. In actuality, Lollards did not believe that any one Pope, as a human being, was the antichrist. They believed that the papal system as a whole, however, embodied the prophecy of the Antichrist.
I believe this is very important for the redirect to be fully understood. We have a redirect to a sign of the six seal being broken... a sign fulfilled by things seen 12/21/10 and a redirect to a man that believed he was in the end times and that the antichrist was the papal system itself.
This is my hunch, I HAVE NOT RESEARCHED THIS, however I am going to look into it. I believe we need to follow the money trail. From a little performer in Hollywood to the person who makes money from those performers, to the corporations who back them, to the government leaders who stand to gain, to the organizations that back the government leaders to the... you get the point. Keep backing it up and I have a feeling all money roads lead to somewhere with great corruption. I believe that we are all enslaved but have no clue because we are living under the illusion of freedom and we need to get a clear picture of how it all works.
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Lilwendy, I couldn't agree more with your last paragraph. Freedom is an ILLUSION! I think control and power is at the top of the "food chain" and money is something they use to get it. How many of us struggle with money? How many of us don't live the life we dream of living because of money? We need money to feed our families, if we refuse to participate, we are refused food. This is why I think humanity in general needs to get back to basics. Learn to really take care of ourselves and of each other. I'm talking small communities, our own gardens, hand-made clothing - you name it. I truly believe the entire concept of money WILL fail, it's only a matter of time. But we need to be aware enough and educated enough to be able to take care of ourselves when that happens. And yes we need to figure out the truth about how it all works, "we" as in ALL of us. The majority of people still believe in their freedom and in the government. More and more are waking up but only the tip of the iceberg...
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very interesting Souza and lilwendy.
In my spiritual walk I have been Methodist, Pentecostal (COGIC), and Catholic. And sprinkle in a bit of Gnosticism and Christian Buddhism. But always a believer in Christ. I see the importance of Wycliffe for sure. Most of my bible study has not focused on Revelation. It touches upon it and I remember a few teachings about the Seals. However, it was not central to my study. Until now. In connecting the dots and thinking about TIAI 12/21, I'm reminded of something in my teachings similar to this:
The Trumpets Are Part Of The Sixth Seal
"Because so few people have been taught the truth about Bible prophecy, a few things need to be pointed out. The "seals" may be thought of as something similar to the sealing of an envelope. When you open an envelope, as the breaking of the seal progresses, you can see more of the contents within that 'envelope.'
The "trumpet" judgments of Revelation, as described in chapters 8 and 9, all describe violent events that are initiated as an angel blows a trumpet. The last cluster of tribulational judgments in Revelation, known as the vials (think small vials that hold a potent liquid), further describe events as angels pour out these vials. All the trumpet judgments occur within the 6th seal, and the "vial" judgments overlap with the latter part of the trumpets. This is demonstrated by the text itself and is a prophetic truth that I have taught for many years.
"...The simple fact is each of these groups of end-times judgments overlap. This is clear from Revelation, because the present world order comes to an end at the 7th of each set of judgments (the 7th seal, the 7th trumpet, the 7th vial). Indeed, unless we're prepared to believe the world ends 3 times, they must overlap.
In the sixth seal, we see various elements of events that occur as part of the trumpets, and part of the vials. For instance, during the sixth seal we see the well-known description wherein "the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood" (Revelation 6:12). This event has been widely predicted in the Bible, including specific prophecies made by Jesus Christ Himself, as well as several of the Major Prophets such as Isaiah, Ezekiel, and Joel.
http://www.christianmediaresearch.com/cmc-80.html (http://www.christianmediaresearch.com/cmc-80.html)
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The Trumpets Are Part Of The Sixth Seal
"Because so few people have been taught the truth about Bible prophecy, a few things need to be pointed out. The "seals" may be thought of as something similar to the sealing of an envelope. When you open an envelope, as the breaking of the seal progresses, you can see more of the contents within that 'envelope.'
The "trumpet" judgments of Revelation, as described in chapters 8 and 9, all describe violent events that are initiated as an angel blows a trumpet. The last cluster of tribulational judgments in Revelation, known as the vials (think small vials that hold a potent liquid), further describe events as angels pour out these vials. All the trumpet judgments occur within the 6th seal, and the "vial" judgments overlap with the latter part of the trumpets. This is demonstrated by the text itself and is a prophetic truth that I have taught for many years.
"...The simple fact is each of these groups of end-times judgments overlap. This is clear from Revelation, because the present world order comes to an end at the 7th of each set of judgments (the 7th seal, the 7th trumpet, the 7th vial). Indeed, unless we're prepared to believe the world ends 3 times, they must overlap.
In the sixth seal, we see various elements of events that occur as part of the trumpets, and part of the vials. For instance, during the sixth seal we see the well-known description wherein "the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood" (Revelation 6:12). This event has been widely predicted in the Bible, including specific prophecies made by Jesus Christ Himself, as well as several of the Major Prophets such as Isaiah, Ezekiel, and Joel.
http://www.christianmediaresearch.com/cmc-80.html (http://www.christianmediaresearch.com/cmc-80.html)
Thanks for sharing this info. I wonder if the three sevens that we've seen Michael wearing represent the 7th seal, the 7th trumpet and the 7th vial.
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very interesting Souza and lilwendy.
In my spiritual walk I have been Methodist, Pentecostal (COGIC), and Catholic. And sprinkle in a bit of Gnosticism and Christian Buddhism. But always a believer in Christ. I see the importance of Wycliffe for sure. Most of my bible study has not focused on Revelation. It touches upon it and I remember a few teachings about the Seals. However, it was not central to my study. Until now. In connecting the dots and thinking about TIAI 12/21, I'm reminded of something in my teachings similar to this:
The Trumpets Are Part Of The Sixth Seal
"Because so few people have been taught the truth about Bible prophecy, a few things need to be pointed out. The "seals" may be thought of as something similar to the sealing of an envelope. When you open an envelope, as the breaking of the seal progresses, you can see more of the contents within that 'envelope.'
The "trumpet" judgments of Revelation, as described in chapters 8 and 9, all describe violent events that are initiated as an angel blows a trumpet. The last cluster of tribulational judgments in Revelation, known as the vials (think small vials that hold a potent liquid), further describe events as angels pour out these vials. All the trumpet judgments occur within the 6th seal, and the "vial" judgments overlap with the latter part of the trumpets. This is demonstrated by the text itself and is a prophetic truth that I have taught for many years.
"...The simple fact is each of these groups of end-times judgments overlap. This is clear from Revelation, because the present world order comes to an end at the 7th of each set of judgments (the 7th seal, the 7th trumpet, the 7th vial). Indeed, unless we're prepared to believe the world ends 3 times, they must overlap.
In the sixth seal, we see various elements of events that occur as part of the trumpets, and part of the vials. For instance, during the sixth seal we see the well-known description wherein "the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood" (Revelation 6:12). This event has been widely predicted in the Bible, including specific prophecies made by Jesus Christ Himself, as well as several of the Major Prophets such as Isaiah, Ezekiel, and Joel.
http://www.christianmediaresearch.com/cmc-80.html (http://www.christianmediaresearch.com/cmc-80.html)
I too noticed the Wycliffe version.
The book of Revelation is one of the first books I read & studied after becoming a Christian. Chuck Missler is one of the best teachers I've ever listened to concerning a verse by verse breakdown of Genesis, Daniel's 70th Week, Revelation, & the Anti-Christ's End Time System...which encompasses Three areas: Spiritual/End Time Religion, End Time Government, & the Economy = (NWO). I wish I could find a video of him teaching the the verses dealing with the Seals specifically, but it's not available on YT. :(
This is the best I could find:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum ... 580888/pg1 (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message580888/pg1)
I would venture to say that the happenings of the Sixth Seal is God's response to the Martyred Souls of The Fifth Seal under this end time world system.
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The 7 seals, 7 trumpets and 7 vials is fascinating. I will have to study it and go back to some of TS' other posts. I just read the following on a Yahoo website:
Question: When was or has the seventh seal of revelation been opened?
2 years ago
October 11, 2008
Best Answer - Chosen by Asker
No, we have not opened the seventh Seal; the reason is because
the 7th Seal is the return of the true Christ. Let me re-phrase that: the 7th trump would be the return of the true Christ; you see, what you mean to ask is about the trumpets; the seals do not involve any action at all; they are for purposes of teaching only.
Understand that the Seals are teachings; they contain all the information you absolutely require in order to not be deceived by Antichrist.
We also have the Trumpets; sounding the trumpet is the call to
action, to begin, or in war the trumpet would signal to attack.
Then we have the Vials. The Vial is the description of the events
we see as a result of that call to action by the trumpet.
For example:
We have the 6th seal, the 6th trumpet and the 6th vial:
-- 6 6 6 --
The 6th seal teaches us that Antichrist will be coming FIRST before
the true Christ returns, and Satan (antichrist) will be disguised and pretending to be the real Jesus; etc etc.. NO TRUMPETS ARE EVEN HANDED OUT, UNTIL ALL THESE SEALS ARE COMPLETED.
Before that trumpet can sound, Gods Elect in the flesh have to be
sealed with the Truth, because the whole world is about to go into
the Great Deception.
The 6th trumpet is the call of Action: this is where Michael boots
Satan out of Heaven and he comes to Earth pretending to be Jesus.
The 6th Vial when poured out, shows us the spirit of Devils who
are among the kings of the Earth, working miracles (Antichrist).
None of the seals are action; they are, however, the most important
7 things you will ever read in your life; many Church-going Christians
who sit in a pew every week for 20 years or more, but who don't know
and understand those Seals, will fall into Deception. When the true
Christ returns, He finds many of them worshipping the wrong Jesus.
They weren't sealed by God because they weren't familiar with the
7 Seals, so they were deceived and believed that first "jesus" on the
scene was the real one and happily accepted his mark, thinking they
were receiving the seal of God. The Great Deception.
Biblical illiteracy is not a good idea in this generation.
Source(s):
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All the communities that moved away from God and His message, perished. So this is exactly I think what is going to happen for this "world". We just have to look around us to see how far in the straying this world has gone. God's system never changes, we just have to look back to know more or less what awaits us. But as long as we keep faith in God alone in our hearts it will be fine.
About the 777 I think that few people know the real meaning because it must be a kind of code embedded in the Bible. No? I'm really not an expert forgive me. I think that only a messenger chosen by God and to whom things have been revealed can tell us what is exactly going to happen and what is hidden in the Bible to be unveiled in due time. Maybe it is Michael? A kind of warner/messenger.
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All the communities that moved away from God and His message, perished. So this is exactly I think what is going to happen for this "world". We just have to look around us to see how far in the straying this world has gone. God's system never changes, we just have to look back to know more or less what awaits us. But as long as we keep faith in God alone in our hearts it will be fine.
About the 777 I think that few people know the real meaning because it must be a kind of code embedded in the Bible. No? I'm really not an expert forgive me. I think that only a messenger chosen by God and to whom things have been revealed can tell us what is exactly going to happen and what is hidden in the Bible to be unveiled in due time. Maybe it is Michael? A kind of warner/messenger.
777 = Christ in Christian Numerology.
Seven Hundred and Seventy Seven : 777 - Biblical Numerology Meaning: deals in reference with the name of Jesus Christ
http://www.christian-resources-today.co ... mbers.html (http://www.christian-resources-today.com/biblical-meaning-of-numbers.html) :D
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Hmmmmm...Interesting. The more I get into it...WHOA. Now I've got to watch part 2.
[youtube:1j62xpjc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSMDw8XCyE8[/youtube:1j62xpjc]
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I don't like to call myself a Muslim. Yes, I'm a Muslim but also I'm a Christian, a Jewish, a Catholic and all religions who believe in God. I believe in God, His prophets and their books. I also believe in God's angels. My religion is God and Love. And thanks to TS, I've started to read more Bible. As much as I read the books, I realize that there're basic common things in all books. I prefer to believe in all those common things; like good and evil, like doomsday, God's miracles and how He sent us the truth and warned us in all of the books, how He showed us the right way. Humanity can only save themselves with the LOVE in their hearts. If they can find it for sure and if they can become less selfish. I still have some hope in humanity. I still believe that we can change and change the world into good. Unfortunately we're getting closer to the end of the big test. I hope we can pass it...
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It was cloudy and I missed it today. Thank you for sharing these beautiful pictures Paula. This is so beautiful, just like a Magic. This is God's Magic.
This way one saw the eclipse where I live
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One of the keys to understanding this redirect is clicking on the commentary...
L.O.V.E. to all :)
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"You're welcome" PureLove ;)
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Thank you TS... The signs of Times, isn't it!
With this lunar eclipse taking place on the winter solstice we have yet another sign that we may be getting closer to the end of Times, we already saw the S&P index getting to 666 on the 6th March 2009 (1 day after MJ O2 announcement. We also know from the book of Revelation that the Mark of the Beast (666) is financially related), we also heard this "strange" announcement about the Ark of the covenant to be unveiled the following day on the 25th June 2009. (and we know the Ark of the Covenant is meant to resurface towards the end of times) and we know the frequency of natural disasters (earthquakes) is on the increase.
TS has told us that the Ark of the Covenant will be a major factor in the final battle between good and evil and we must STUDY the true Ark, and know it so well that none of the counterfeits will lead us astray. TS also mentioned that the number seven is one of the main keys to unlock the mystery of the true Ark...
It feels like we are building up to major worldwide change...
John Wycliffe taught that the true Church consists of God's chosen people and they do not need a priest to mediate between them and God. I believe that the chosen ones do not necessarily belong to a religion but beLIEve in God and have FAITH. This reference to John Wycliffe made me think of Michael's song Cry ("You’re the chosen one (I’m gonna need some kind of sign)")
With L.O.V.E
PS: Thank you to Paula-c for the photos of the lunar eclipse, London was and still is under huge clouds.
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Thank you TS... The signs of Times, isn't it!
With this lunar eclipse taking place on the winter solstice we have yet another sign that we may be getting closer to the end of Times, we already saw the S&P index getting to 666 on the 6th March 2009 (1 day after MJ O2 announcement. We also know from the book of Revelation that the Mark of the Beast (666) is financially related), we also heard this "strange" announcement about the Ark of the covenant to be unveiled the following day on the 25th June 2009. (and we know the Ark of the Covenant is meant to resurface towards the end of times) and we know the frequency of natural disasters (earthquakes) is on the increase.
TS has told us that the Ark of the Covenant will be a major factor in the final battle between good and evil and we must STUDY the true Ark, and know it so well that none of the counterfeits will lead us astray. TS also mentioned that the number seven is one of the main keys to unlock the mystery of the true Ark...
It feels like we are building up to major worldwide change...
John Wycliffe taught that the true Church consists of God's chosen people and they do not need a priest to mediate between them and God. I believe that the chosen ones do not necessarily belong to a religion but beLIEve in God and have FAITH. This reference to John Wycliffe made me think of Michael's song Cry ("You’re the chosen one (I’m gonna need some kind of sign)")
With L.O.V.E
PS: Thank you to Paula-c for the photos of the lunar eclipse, London was and still is under huge clouds.
That was good; thank you. Lots of signs of the times lately and speeding up. Love the pictures; wish I could have stayed up to see it all for real. :)
Speaking of the Number 7 ...and the true Ark I found another interesting two part video:
[youtube:33zdk91a]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flbaJfRwYxM[/youtube:33zdk91a]
[youtube:33zdk91a]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxYwLvtnoyc&feature=related[/youtube:33zdk91a]
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Thank you TS... The signs of Times, isn't it!
With this lunar eclipse taking place on the winter solstice we have yet another sign that we may be getting closer to the end of Times, we already saw the S&P index getting to 666 on the 6th March 2009 (1 day after MJ O2 announcement. We also know from the book of Revelation that the Mark of the Beast (666) is financially related), we also heard this "strange" announcement about the Ark of the covenant to be unveiled the following day on the 25th June 2009. (and we know the Ark of the Covenant is meant to resurface towards the end of times) and we know the frequency of natural disasters (earthquakes) is on the increase.
TS has told us that the Ark of the Covenant will be a major factor in the final battle between good and evil and we must STUDY the true Ark, and know it so well that none of the counterfeits will lead us astray. TS also mentioned that the number seven is one of the main keys to unlock the mystery of the true Ark...
It feels like we are building up to major worldwide change...
John Wycliffe taught that the true Church consists of God's chosen people and they do not need a priest to mediate between them and God. I believe that the chosen ones do not necessarily belong to a religion but beLIEve in God and have FAITH. This reference to John Wycliffe made me think of Michael's song Cry ("You’re the chosen one (I’m gonna need some kind of sign)")
With L.O.V.E
PS: Thank you to Paula-c for the photos of the lunar eclipse, London was and still is under huge clouds.
RunningGirl, I read your post and thought... TS, here's another redirect for you right here! :lol: Great post!
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The book of Revelation is one of the first books I read & studied after becoming a Christian. Chuck Missler is one of the best teachers I've ever listened to concerning a verse by verse breakdown of Genesis, Daniel's 70th Week, Revelation, & the Anti-Christ's End Time System...which encompasses Three areas: Spiritual/End Time Religion, End Time Government, & the Economy = (NWO). I wish I could find a video of him teaching the the verses dealing with the Seals specifically, but it's not available on YT. :(
Well it's not videos, it's audio, but is this more like what you were referencing?
http://www.blueletterbible.org/audio_vi ... GroupID=66 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/audio_video/comm_topic.cfm?AuthorID=21&commInfo=54&GroupID=66)
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You're welcome, TheRunningGirl and your excellent post
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Sweet Jesus in heaven, this does my heart so much good to see this redirect, we are closer to major change on this earth. I will say this first and foremost. I believe the song in the new album "Keep Your Head UP" is referring to the return of Christ. And yes the entire album IS Michael. I believe Michael is pointing us to the return of Christ very soon. This world can't continue on the path it is going, and no signifcant changes are in sight. As I have said many times it is going to take divine intervention. We have to be ready. Michael sang several songs about bringing Salvation back.
I am just so saddened to think that so many may never hear the message, I mean really hear it and take it to heart.
There was a 6.7 earth quake today in IRAN. Seems like a whole lot of shaking going on.
Below is a link to a study of the Blood Red Moon. There are six segments, they are in a play list on my YT under End Time. Please take a look, it may help bring light to more things happening. Michael is a divine Messenger from God! Hear him and Love him and Love the Children! And above all Love Jesus as Michael does! He is so in love with us!
http://www.youtube.com/user/navibl#p/c/ ... aBRvkCARkY (http://www.youtube.com/user/navibl#p/c/F347A4A5D63AA5CC/0/baBRvkCARkY)
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As I see people here talking about the end of the world I have to say this: if we believe the Bible is true then we must take everything that's written there as true.
The Bible says nobody but God knows when the end of the world will come.
“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father" Mathew 24:36 I would add nor Michael Jackson or TS.
I admit some paragraphs say about the signs of the end.....but those signs, wars and earthquakes and everything, are happening all the time..... so I think it's safe to assume that the priviledge of knowing it is God's.
I made this post because I remember I've been reading in first TS posts here that all this hoax is about the end the world.
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The moon eclipse and the meteor shower are too small to be identified as the signs reffered by the redirect in my opinion.
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As I see people here talking about the end of the world I have to say this: if we believe the Bible is true then we must take everything that's written there as true.
The Bible says nobody but God knows when the end of the world will come.
“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father" Mathew 24:36 I would add nor Michael Jackson or TS.
I admit some paragraphs say about the signs of the end.....but those signs, wars and earthquakes and everything, are happening all the time..... so I think it's safe to assume that the priviledge of knowing it is God's.
I made this post because I remember I've been reading in first TS posts here that all this hoax is about the end the world.
TS also mentioned that 12/21 might not be the end of the world at all, that it could be a completely different date, yet that it will happen. I believe that too. Maybe not in a few years or even in our lifetime, but it will happen. Most definitely when we keep treating the earth and each other like this. But it is also about the children, that they should be able to live their lives without hunger and in freedom. The freedom as we know it is all one big illusion and that is what this hoax has at least learned many members on here and hopefully more people in the future.
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I agree with everything lilwendy said! This redirect was very relevant to everything that occurred that night. & I don't believe the world will end on December 21, 2012, unless God ends it. God said He will end the world and the bible said that no one knows when the world will end, but you never know when it may happen. ;)
Here is a time lapse of the lunar eclipse for anyone that would like to see:
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@ MsTrinity: Thank you for the reference to Chuck Missler.
Matthew 24 (King James Version)
1And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15When ye therefore shall see the :arrow: abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) :!:
16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25Behold, I have told you before.
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
:arrow: 29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
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Revelation 11:3 (King James Version)
3And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and They Shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, Clothed in Sackcloth.
June 2009-December 2012 ... are exactly three and a half years. Is there any connection here?
Or I have too much fantasy
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Revelation 11:3 (King James Version)
3And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and They Shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, Clothed in Sackcloth.
June 2009-December 2012 ... are exactly three and a half years. Is there any connection here?
Or I have too much fantasy
No you don't have to much fantasy because I actually had the same thought back when we were discussing going to the media about ElvisandMJ.com ;)
viewtopic.php?f=72&t=12404&p=207325#p207325 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=12404&p=207325#p207325)
Re: TIAI 7/14
by Im_convincedmjalive » Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:37 pm
Whether you're an Elvis fan or whether or not you care about his death, it doesn't change the probability that Michael is a fan of his and that Michael learned a lot from the 'death' of Elvis. That is undeniable. And try telling an Elvis fan or and Elvis hoaxer that you don't care and you'll be put in your place real fast JUST like MJ fans/hoaxers. It doesn't matter what WE personally think, Michael created this hoax and if Elvis was an inspiration for him then we must embrace that no matter what we believe and no matter what we are comfortable with.
Agree...
When I was doing research into the ARK, 777, and The End Times "warnings", part of my research was finding this Revelation. I wondered "Who" might the two witnesses be?
Now in relation to the "Why Elvis" and connecting it to Michael, reading this Revelation below and insert Elvis and Michael's names where the witnesses goes and read description and it makes sense.
Elvis is very spiritual and so is Michael. Making the truth known to the world about Elvis is about more than just a bam..it is about "the troot will prevail" in ALL things.
Peace
Revelation 11 (Amplified Bible)
Revelation 11
1 A REED [as a measuring rod] was then given to me, [shaped] like a staff, and I was told: Rise up and measure the sanctuary of God and the altar [of incense], and [number] those who worship there.
2 But leave out of your measuring the court outside the sanctuary of God; omit that, for it is given over to the Gentiles (the nations), and they will trample the holy city underfoot for 42 months (three and one-half years).
3 And I will grant the power of prophecy to My two witnesses for 1,260 (42 months; three and one-half years), dressed in sackcloth.
4 These [witnesses] are the two olive trees and the two lampstands which stand before the Lord of the earth.
5 And if anyone attempts to injure them, fire pours from their mouth and consumes their enemies; if anyone should attempt to harm them, thus he is doomed to be slain. [II Kings 1:10; Jer. 5:14.]
6 These [two witnesses] have power to shut up the sky, so that no rain may fall during the days of their prophesying (their prediction of events relating to Christ's kingdom and its speedy triumph); and they also have power to turn the waters into blood and to smite and scourge the earth with all manner of plagues as often as they choose.
7 But when they have finished their testimony and their evidence is all in, the beast (monster) that comes up out of the Abyss (bottomless pit) will wage war on them, and conquer them and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies [will lie exposed] in the open street [(a public square) of the great city which is in a spiritual sense called [by the mystical and allegorical names of] Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.
9 For three and a half days men from the races and tribes and languages and nations will gaze at their dead bodies and will not allow them to be put in a tomb.
10 And those who dwell on the earth will gloat and exult over them and rejoice exceedingly, taking their ease and sending presents [in congratulation] to one another, because these two prophets had been such a vexation and trouble and torment to all the dwellers on the earth.
11 But after three and a half days, by God's gift the breath of life again entered into them, and they rose up on their feet, and great dread and terror fell on those who watched them.
12 Then [the two witnesses] heard a strong voice from heaven calling to them, Come up here! And before the very eyes of their enemies they ascended into heaven in a cloud. [II Kings 2:11.]
viewtopic.php?f=72&t=12426 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=12426)
For those who are interested in more information on 777, Ark of the Covenant, etc. please see link above. I apologize for the rough nature of the work. hee hee, I was a newbie in study and my thoughts scattered as I wrote. I added alot of my personality in my posts and maybe it will seem frivolous, sorry.
There is alot of good info already compiled in that link above. Many members contributed to the investigation. I am glad to see this turn in events. There is probably alot of missing info and perhaps TS will address this in the future.
Thanks in advance TS.
Peace
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I am 100% convinced that IT is for 2012 ... This Is It - This is the Moment - This is the TIME ... resonates in my mind...
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I think a gradual change is coming to those who will allow it. I know that since December of last year, I think and feel different. I believe 2011 will be the year of spiritual enlightenment. Now we have to face the boxed Christian that have this picture of God sitting on the throne with white hair and a beard, waiting to smack us over the head when we mess up. We need to take God out of the box, and realizing what he is and what he is capable of.
God wants to love us and give us our heart's desires. But we have to reconnect with him daily. So I feel he is moving on his children to bring us to a hightened sence of awareness Everything Michael is doing requires us to think outside the box. We need to be prepared for the unimaginable.
Yes I know several individuals that had the idea of Michael and Elvis being the two wittnesses. what is to say they have no chance to be used by God that way, I would certainly blow the world away!
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Thankyou for this redirect TS. I am reminded of your update 6.5 now in lockdown where you stated that bible redirects were both hoax clues and messages and also spiritual messages. What a perfect example this is. Your redirect has caused me to dig out my concordance and differing translations and reference books.
Kevin J Conner in his book -Interpreting the Symbols and Types- says that "stars" represent light bearers and the spiritual seed of Abraham. "Stars fallen" are a picture of the fallen away or apostate saints. I found this something of significance with regard to your use of Wycliffe's translation and in keeping with his message of exposing apostate "religion" versus spiritual birth and experiential relationship.
Those vids by Chuck Missler were brilliant. The gospel is written in the stars. To quote Mr Missler.
The stars were put there for signs.....God's greatest achievment is not the creation, it's redemption.
What did it cost God to create the universe...6 days....What did it cost God to redeem us....His Son.
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As I see people here talking about the end of the world I have to say this: if we believe the Bible is true then we must take everything that's written there as true.
The Bible says nobody but God knows when the end of the world will come.
“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father" Mathew 24:36 I would add nor Michael Jackson or TS.
I admit some paragraphs say about the signs of the end.....but those signs, wars and earthquakes and everything, are happening all the time..... so I think it's safe to assume that the priviledge of knowing it is God's.
I made this post because I remember I've been reading in first TS posts here that all this hoax is about the end the world.
The freedom as we know it is all one big illusion .
No kidding :lol:
yes I agree...... we are not free and we can not be free if we don't allow us to be free!!
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I agree that signs happen all the time and many have believed the end of the world was upon us for a long time (according to human definitions of time).
So there is no sense in guessing when the end will be, it is more that we should be ready we He returns.
Regarding the illusion of freedom: John 8:31-32 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
And Galatians 5:1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.
This is the bottomline... we have to be about the truth. This is the ONLY way to TRUE freedom. Freedom in Christ.
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I agree that signs happen all the time and many have believed the end of the world was upon us for a long time (according to human definitions of time).
So there is no sense in guessing when the end will be, it is more that we should be ready we He returns.
Regarding the illusion of freedom: John 8:31-32 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
And Galatians 5:1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.
This is the bottomline... we have to be about the truth. This is the ONLY way to TRUE freedom. Freedom in Christ.
beautifully said.
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Is this all becoming a religious armageddon??? Why so much religion??
I personally think that organized religion is a bad thing.You all want to open your eyes to reality then let the religion go ....Just my opinion. Seems that everything latley on this site has to do with religion and that is the fault of TS.
This was meant to be a Michael Jackson Hoax death site and more and more it is becoming a Michael Jackson;s church site ...... just my opinion and yes we are supposed to skip over the things we do not want to read and I do but there seems to be more and more religious things I need to skip over... sorry if I offend anyone but MR Jackson was not and never will be Jesus or GOD. again just my opinion :D
TS if you have something to say other than GOD stuff, please post as this is a MR Jackson hoax death site!!!! I am getting tired of coming onto this forum and having to read the bible stuff......I don;t like bible stuff really, and having lived on this earth for over 50yrs I will never like bible stuff. Can you all make a bible forum?? ONCE AGAIN JUST MY OPINION :D
And Oh by the way I am a really good person !!!! But not a bible person.....JUST MY OPINION !!!!
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Is this all becoming a religious armageddon??? why so much religion??
I personally think that organized religion is a bad thing. Just my opinion. Seems that everything latley on this site has to do with religion and that is the fault of TS.
This was meant to be a Michael Jackson Hoax death site and more and more it is becoming a Michael Jackson;s church site ...... just my opinion
Well I know for me personally, I HAVE to speak about God because it is part of my makeup and beliefs. It has NOTHING to do with TS. He's a big part of who I am, my experiences, my point of reference. No different than someone who knows all of Michael Jackson's songs, interviews, etc. and talks about the impact MJ has made in their life and references songs. (which I have done too LOL) ie. Make that change.
Can I ask you a couple of questions? Please take the time to answer as authentically as you can....
1. Why does it bother you?
2. If you had your way, what should and shouldn't we be talking about on this site?
Thanks in advance for taking the time to answer.
PS Not ALL the topics on here have to do with religion/God and you yourself said before that religion is not your cup of tea and that you just decide to skip over the topics that cover it.... what has changed?
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Is this all becoming a religious armageddon??? Why so much religion??
I personally think that organized religion is a bad thing.You all want to open your eyes to reality then let the religion go ....Just my opinion. Seems that everything latley on this site has to do with religion and that is the fault of TS.
This was meant to be a Michael Jackson Hoax death site and more and more it is becoming a Michael Jackson;s church site ...... just my opinion and yes we are supposed to skip over the things we do not want to read and I do but there seems to be more and more religious things I need to skip over... sorry if I offend anyone but MR Jackson was not and never will be Jesus or GOD. again just my opinion :D
TS if you have something to say other than GOD stuff, please post as this is a MR Jackson hoax death site!!!! I am getting tired of coming onto this forum and having to read the bible stuff......I don;t like bible stuff really, and having lived on this earth for over 50yrs I will never like bible stuff. Can you all make a bible forum?? ONCE AGAIN JUST MY OPINION :D
And Oh by the way I am a really good person !!!! But not a bible person.....JUST MY OPINION !!!!
Shoot I guess you edited your post after I started responding so you answered some of my questions (re skipping over stuff) so I understand a bit better now.
And I would hope that if someone expresses their opinions on this site, and they differ from someone else, that they wouldn't think that the other person is a bad person. Safe to say, I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this topic but for the record (we'll see) but even if we do differ, I would not think you are a bad person because of it. :-)
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Hey I like Bible stuff!!
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Is this all becoming a religious armageddon??? Why so much religion??
I personally think that organized religion is a bad thing.You all want to open your eyes to reality then let the religion go ....Just my opinion. Seems that everything latley on this site has to do with religion and that is the fault of TS.
This was meant to be a Michael Jackson Hoax death site and more and more it is becoming a Michael Jackson;s church site ...... just my opinion and yes we are supposed to skip over the things we do not want to read and I do but there seems to be more and more religious things I need to skip over... sorry if I offend anyone but MR Jackson was not and never will be Jesus or GOD. again just my opinion :D
TS if you have something to say other than GOD stuff, please post as this is a MR Jackson hoax death site!!!! I am getting tired of coming onto this forum and having to read the bible stuff......I don;t like bible stuff really, and having lived on this earth for over 50yrs I will never like bible stuff. Can you all make a bible forum?? ONCE AGAIN JUST MY OPINION :D
And Oh by the way I am a really good person !!!! But not a bible person.....JUST MY OPINION !!!!
Hi LovelyLurker, I think that when you said "I personally think that organized religion is a bad thing" I don't think that religion is necessarily a bad thing but it's really some of the people in it. We see that warfare, terrorism and other crimes are committed in the name of religion which makes religion seem like a bad thing and God wouldn't want his name used in a way that promotes anything like that.
Like someone said on this thread God or religion is apart of their lives, they live by it by practising what the bible says, whether it be by loving one another or respecting one another. I guess TS is the same he/she believes in God/bible that's why his/her posts are 'circled' around this.
Like many have said on here that MJ has a message, a message about love or to open our eyes to other things going on in the world, we are made in the image of God and God is Love, that's why we are too, and so that's why it kinda goes back to God/Bible.
And just because you do not like the bible doesn't mean your a bad person, there are plenty of people out there who are good, humble people who not religious, just because you don't like the bible you are no different than any of us or any lesser than any of us, nor those who believe in God/Bible is no lesser or different than anyone who isn't religious. I also have to say it's good that you can have your own point of view and express it without feeling like your opinion is any less.
Sorry for all the talk on the God/Bible I just thought this was a good way to explain what I was going to say.
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Hey I like Bible stuff!!
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I am 100% convinced that IT is for 2012 ... This Is It - This is the Moment - This is the TIME ... resonates in my mind...
Sarahli, what makes you so sure? I thought you are Muslim. As far as I know stuff like that are not mentioned in the Quran?! So I belive Muslims think that the end of the World is only known by God. Don't forget the great wars...... and other suff too............
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There is religion and there is faith. IMO those are two seperate things. I think the majority of the people in this world have faith, believe in something, however they call it, that protects them and that influences their ways of living. I don't name it, because using 'God' always reminds me of the people around me who are completely brainwashed and controlled by their religion, but I think I mean the same as when someoen else talks about God.
If you say this is a board about Michael Jackson, then talking about faith and God is inevitable. Michael believes in God and reads the Bible. He uses the Bible and his faith for this hoax, so it can not be ignored. The Bible redirects can be interesting for anyone who is not religious as well, because it's the way you interpretate the scriptures and use them in your own life. Many parts in the Bible have great life lessons in them, if only you can read between the lines. Besides all that, if someone wants a hoax exactly the way he or she wants, he or she should hoax his or her own death. This is his death hoax and who are we to tell him how he should hoax his death?
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Hey I like Bible stuff!!
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MJhas spoken.... you are very right and I concede to your ideas... Just because I do not believe in religion does not make me better or worse..... it is just what it is. I think sometimes that people ... like the terrorist that you are talking about, take their religion to the extreme.
I have no problem with the lovely people I know who are religious but I guess I just have a problem with the fact that the Hoax site here had become a refuge for TS and his / her ideals and if he/she wanted followers he/she would have been more neutral. The original sites were more neutral and as many members became enthralled with TS the site became what TS wanted it to be.
TS ... let the members know who you are and if you want the masses to follow give them a site to go to.
Just my little humble opinion and Lilwendy you are right I am not much of a LovelyLurker tonight.
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I am 100% convinced that IT is for 2012 ... This Is It - This is the Moment - This is the TIME ... resonates in my mind...
Sarahli, what makes you so sure? I thought you are Muslim. As far as I know stuff like that are not mentioned in the Quran?! So I belive Muslims think that the end of the World is only known by God. Don't forget the great wars...... and other suff too............
Hi diggyon. Yes I'm Muslim (servant of God alone) I follow the Quran but I also acknowledge the Bible as being the Word of God, I believe in it too, the Torah as well, all the Holy Books in reality. The majority of Muslims today don't know about it but there is a mathematical code embedded in the Quran proving beyond all doubt that this is the Word of God, see my post in the below mentionned thread for more info, and the year 2012 is encoded in it, something will definitely happen that year. The end of the world is for 2280, so 2012 is not the end of the world that's true it's the end of this civilization/era. Please don't think that I'm crazy I am saying that with all the seriousness of the world. I really think that God will give a chance to the people to redeem themselves and send a warner before anything happens, God is All Merciful that's why we can know the YEAR imo. Maybe not the Hour or the Day but at least the year... but of course most of the people will ridicule that kind of things until it's too late. Not everybody is meant to believe in the signs/Books and revelations so I know already how this post will be perceived :D it even happened within my own family....
See my posts in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=72&t=12426 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=12426)
If you have questions don't hesitate to ask me.
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I have a Coran at home and I like to read it too.
Bible is cool 8-) !!
I like so much to read it.
I think it's a pitty and a waste to live a life on earth and not read at least the gospels.JMO...... And I was an atheist a long time ago
TS please, don't give up to the Bible quotes!!
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I am 100% convinced that IT is for 2012 ... This Is It - This is the Moment - This is the TIME ... resonates in my mind...
Sarahli, what makes you so sure? I thought you are Muslim. As far as I know stuff like that are not mentioned in the Quran?! So I belive Muslims think that the end of the World is only known by God. Don't forget the great wars...... and other suff too............
Hi diggyon. Yes I'm Muslim (servant of God alone) I follow the Quran but I also acknowledge the Bible as being the Word of God, I believe in it too, the Torah as well, all the Holy Books in reality. The majority of Muslims today don't know about it but there is a mathematical code embedded in the Quran proving beyond all doubt that this is the Word of God, see my post in the below mentionned thread for more info, and the year 2012 is encoded in it, something will definitely happen that year. The end of the world is for 2280, so 2012 is not the end of the world that's true it's the end of this civilization/era. Please don't think that I'm crazy I am saying that with all the seriousness of the world. I really think that God will give a chance to the people to redeem themselves and send a warner before anything happens, God is All Merciful that's why we can know the YEAR imo. Maybe not the Hour or the Day but at least the year... but of course most of the people will ridicule that kind of things until it's too late. Not everybody is meant to believe in the signs/Books and revelations so I know already how this post will be perceived :D it even happened within my own family....
See my posts in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=72&t=12426 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=12426)
If you have questions don't hesitate to ask me.
Actually I read the Quran several times and I understand it very well. You mentioned that the time 2012 is encoded in the Quran. So can you tell me exactly where it is encoded? I think information like this could cause a very big debate in my opinion!!That's why you better have a very good explanation! By the way, Muslims don't accept any kind of information, like hidden messages in the Quran or hidden numbers unless it comes from their sheikhs. So where did you get this information from, as a Muslim?
You also mentioned the 2012 is going to be the end of this civilization. So can you quote from the Quran where this is mentioned?
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oh boy diggyon are you angry at me?
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oh boy diggyon are you angry at me?
of course not, Sarahli. But you have said something and in order to believe what you said I need a proof, otherwise what you said is wrong. Remember, we don't believe what we read, we have to investigate. So can you quote from the Quran that the year 2012 is the end of civilization?
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diggyon, it can cause more than a big debate believe me, but I don't force anyone to believe that, I am not a sheik lol but I don't blindly follow what Muslim "scholars" say. I only follow God so I don't need that it is a recognized fact by a so called authority to accept it. Certainly these sheiks as you call them will not acknowledge that kind of things.
For the year 2012 encoded:
It is in Sura 55 "Most Gracious" I remember always reading that sura asking myself why God repeats several times this verse: "Which of your Lord's marvels can you deny?" but I never went farther than that. Just kept on reading without asking.
Recently I read with a more inquisitive mind ;) and I really wondered why this verse was repeated so many times. I really sensed that it was not made by chance, God does not do anything at random, there must be a reason. So I asked God and not long after I came across an explanation on the internet which for me makes sense and I personally consider it to be an answer to my request.
To read the sura 55 go here http://www.submission.org/suras/sura55.html (http://www.submission.org/suras/sura55.html) the verse is repeated 31 times in that sura. When you add the numbers of these precise verses (listed below) you obtain the number 1433.
(13, 16, 18, 21, 23, 25, 28, 30, 32, 34, 36, 38, 40, 42, 45, 47, 49, 51, 53, 55, 57, 59, 61, 63, 65, 67, 69, 71, 73, 75, 77)
... and 1433 correspond to a lunar year in the Islamic calendar which correspond to 2012 in the Christian calendar. The whole sura contains 355 words and a lunar year is made of 354/355 days so it is about a year and not just a number.
Now for the end of the era/civilization it is more my personal understanding and in the Quran God warns us repeadetly to avoid the fate of the past generations who did not uphold their covenant with Him. Why wouldn't it happen again, especially when we see what this world has become... I think that a lot of people are denying God's marvels and in 2012 everybody will take heed and there will be no more denial.
Now if you don't find that it is a good explanation that's okay. I am not here to convince anyone of anything.
Sorry for the long post I made it as short as possible :D
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diggyon, it can cause more than a big debate believe me, but I don't force anyone to believe that, I am not a sheik lol but I don't blindly follow what Muslim "scholars" say. I only follow God so I don't need that it is a recognized fact by a so called authority to accept it. Certainly these sheiks as you call them will not acknowledge that kind of things.
For the year 2012 encoded:
It is in Sura 55 "Most Gracious" I remember always reading that sura asking myself why God repeats several times this verse: "Which of your Lord's marvels can you deny?" but I never went farther than that. Just kept on reading without asking.
Recently I read with a more inquisitive mind ;) and I really wondered why this verse was repeated so many times. I really sensed that it was not made by chance, God does not do anything at random, there must be a reason. So I asked God and not long after I came across an explanation on the internet which for me makes sense and I personally consider it to be an answer to my request.
To read the sura 55 go here http://www.submission.org/suras/sura55.html (http://www.submission.org/suras/sura55.html) the verse is repeated 31 times in that sura. When you add the numbers of these precise verses (listed below) you obtain the number 1433.
(13, 16, 18, 21, 23, 25, 28, 30, 32, 34, 36, 38, 40, 42, 45, 47, 49, 51, 53, 55, 57, 59, 61, 63, 65, 67, 69, 71, 73, 75, 77)
... and 1433 correspond to a lunar year in the Islamic calendar which correspond to 2012 in the Christian calendar. The whole sura contains 355 words and a lunar year is made of 354/355 days so it is about a year and not just a number.
Now for the end of the era/civilization it is more my personal understanding and in the Quran God warns us repeadetly to avoid the fate of the past generations who did not uphold their covenant with Him. Why wouldn't it happen again, especially when we see what this world has become... I think that a lot of people are denying God's marvels and in 2012 everybody will take heed and there will be no more denial.
Now if you don't find that it is a good explanation that's okay. I am not here to convince anyone of anything.
Sorry for the long post I made it as short as possible :D
Thank you Sarahli for the clarification. Actually I read that Sura so many times and I noticed the repetition of that verse too. But I never came to that conclusion at all. So thank you once again. So I hope everyone else would read the whole sura too.
Blessings
Diggyon
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You're welcome my dear :D I must admit that I'm kind of "relieved" and happy of your reaction because it does not happen often, quite the contrary. God bless you diggyon.
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You're welcome my dear :D I must admit that I'm kind of "relieved" and happy of your reaction because it does not happen often, quite the contrary. God bless you diggyon.
Thank you Sarahli and may God help us all.......
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I missed all of this discussion the day I was out. Wow!
Just a thought I want to add about the signs of the times. It struck me about 'Michael' being in third place. How could that be? But there are no accidents or coincidences IMO. There are two before him, Taylor Swift's 'Speak Now' and Susan Boyle's 'The Gift'. Interesting names don't you think, in all this discussion about seals, trumpets and vials.
I believe MJ is "speaking now" about "The Gift", and right before Christmas, which is the church's recognized day of Christ's birth.
I especially enjoyed these posts:
by wishingstar » Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:46 pm
~Souza~ wrote:The version TS redirected to interests me. Wycliffe was an interesting person. His vision was that people who believed in God only needed the Bible and did not need priests and churches to believe. He also was against the possessions of the earthly church and he said the church should be poor.
The moment I saw that the Wycliffe translation was used, I was curious as well. I see you have posted a couple of times about this so far. For some reason I couldn't get it out of my head.....what is it about Wycliffe? It hit me: predestination. I remember reading something about it and John Wycliffe. I looked it up on the net and sure enough on Wikipedia it talked about it:
"Theologically, his preaching was strong belief in predestination that enabled him to believe in the “invisible” church of the elect, made up of those predestined to be saved, rather than in the “visible” church of Rome." from the Wikipedia page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wycliffe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wycliffe)
I don't know too much about predestination belief. It was covered very quickly in a class I once had. However, the name Wycliffe always stuck with me...who knows why, lol!
Anyways, thanks Souza for pointing out the translation.....I think it's great that even though you are not religious per say , you do like and find interesting the bible redirects. I hope others are learning as much as I am....it's truly fascinating.
Blessings Always!
This is interesting to me, as my personal study has led me to believe in predestination of all those who are saved now (the first fruits), and the rest are elected to be saved later in the vast majority harvest. All saved eventually. (As in Adam ALL die, as in Christ ALL are made alive.) That doesn't mean we won't go through very difficult times.
by looking4truth » Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:09 pm
SoldierofLOVE wrote:
The Trumpets Are Part Of The Sixth Seal
"Because so few people have been taught the truth about Bible prophecy, a few things need to be pointed out. The "seals" may be thought of as something similar to the sealing of an envelope. When you open an envelope, as the breaking of the seal progresses, you can see more of the contents within that 'envelope.'
The "trumpet" judgments of Revelation, as described in chapters 8 and 9, all describe violent events that are initiated as an angel blows a trumpet. The last cluster of tribulational judgments in Revelation, known as the vials (think small vials that hold a potent liquid), further describe events as angels pour out these vials. All the trumpet judgments occur within the 6th seal, and the "vial" judgments overlap with the latter part of the trumpets. This is demonstrated by the text itself and is a prophetic truth that I have taught for many years.
"...The simple fact is each of these groups of end-times judgments overlap. This is clear from Revelation, because the present world order comes to an end at the 7th of each set of judgments (the 7th seal, the 7th trumpet, the 7th vial). Indeed, unless we're prepared to believe the world ends 3 times, they must overlap.
In the sixth seal, we see various elements of events that occur as part of the trumpets, and part of the vials. For instance, during the sixth seal we see the well-known description wherein "the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood" (Revelation 6:12). This event has been widely predicted in the Bible, including specific prophecies made by Jesus Christ Himself, as well as several of the Major Prophets such as Isaiah, Ezekiel, and Joel.
http://www.christianmediaresearch.com/cmc-80.html (http://www.christianmediaresearch.com/cmc-80.html)
by MsTrinity333 » Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:25 pm
777 = Christ in Christian Numerology.
Seven Hundred and Seventy Seven : 777 - Biblical Numerology Meaning: deals in reference with the name of Jesus Christ Thanks for sharing this info. I wonder if the three sevens that we've seen Michael wearing represent the 7th seal, the 7th trumpet and the 7th vial.
I agree those 3 all are about speaking out and proclaiming what will happen on earth, and I agree they relate to MJ's three 7's that he has frequently emphasized in in his clothes and other numerology in this hoax including TS's posts.
by TheRunningGirl » Tue Dec 21, 2010 7:05 pm
Thank you TS... The signs of Times, isn't it!
With this lunar eclipse taking place on the winter solstice we have yet another sign that we may be getting closer to the end of Times, we already saw the S&P index getting to 666 on the 6th March 2009 (1 day after MJ O2 announcement. We also know from the book of Revelation that the Mark of the Beast (666) is financially related), we also heard this "strange" announcement about the Ark of the covenant to be unveiled the following day on the 25th June 2009. (and we know the Ark of the Covenant is meant to resurface towards the end of times) and we know the frequency of natural disasters (earthquakes) is on the increase.
TS has told us that the Ark of the Covenant will be a major factor in the final battle between good and evil and we must STUDY the true Ark, and know it so well that none of the counterfeits will lead us astray. TS also mentioned that the number seven is one of the main keys to unlock the mystery of the true Ark...
It feels like we are building up to major worldwide change...
John Wycliffe taught that the true Church consists of God's chosen people and they do not need a priest to mediate between them and God. I believe that the chosen ones do not necessarily belong to a religion but beLIEve in God and have FAITH. This reference to John Wycliffe made me think of Michael's song Cry ("You’re the chosen one (I’m gonna need some kind of sign)")
With L.O.V.E
PS: Thank you to Paula-c for the photos of the lunar eclipse, London was and still is under huge clouds.
by Im_convincedmjalive » Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:43 pm
nefertari wrote:Revelation 11:3 (King James Version)
3And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and They Shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, Clothed in Sackcloth.
June 2009-December 2012 ... are exactly three and a half years. Is there any connection here?
Or I have too much fantasy
No you don't have to much fantasy because I actually had the same thought back when we were discussing going to the media about ElvisandMJ.com
viewtopic.php?f=72&t=12404&p=207325#p207325
Re: TIAI 7/14
by Im_convincedmjalive » Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:37 pm
Im_convincedmjalive wrote:
jacilovesmichael wrote:Whether you're an Elvis fan or whether or not you care about his death, it doesn't change the probability that Michael is a fan of his and that Michael learned a lot from the 'death' of Elvis. That is undeniable. And try telling an Elvis fan or and Elvis hoaxer that you don't care and you'll be put in your place real fast JUST like MJ fans/hoaxers. It doesn't matter what WE personally think, Michael created this hoax and if Elvis was an inspiration for him then we must embrace that no matter what we believe and no matter what we are comfortable with.
Agree...
When I was doing research into the ARK, 777, and The End Times "warnings", part of my research was finding this Revelation. I wondered "Who" might the two witnesses be?
Now in relation to the "Why Elvis" and connecting it to Michael, reading this Revelation below and insert Elvis and Michael's names where the witnesses goes and read description and it makes sense.
Elvis is very spiritual and so is Michael. Making the truth known to the world about Elvis is about more than just a bam..it is about "the troot will prevail" in ALL things.
Peace
Revelation 11 (Amplified Bible)
Revelation 11
1 A REED [as a measuring rod] was then given to me, [shaped] like a staff, and I was told: Rise up and measure the sanctuary of God and the altar [of incense], and [number] those who worship there.
2 But leave out of your measuring the court outside the sanctuary of God; omit that, for it is given over to the Gentiles (the nations), and they will trample the holy city underfoot for 42 months (three and one-half years).
3 And I will grant the power of prophecy to My two witnesses for 1,260 (42 months; three and one-half years), dressed in sackcloth.
4 These [witnesses] are the two olive trees and the two lampstands which stand before the Lord of the earth.
5 And if anyone attempts to injure them, fire pours from their mouth and consumes their enemies; if anyone should attempt to harm them, thus he is doomed to be slain. [II Kings 1:10; Jer. 5:14.]
6 These [two witnesses] have power to shut up the sky, so that no rain may fall during the days of their prophesying (their prediction of events relating to Christ's kingdom and its speedy triumph); and they also have power to turn the waters into blood and to smite and scourge the earth with all manner of plagues as often as they choose.
7 But when they have finished their testimony and their evidence is all in, the beast (monster) that comes up out of the Abyss (bottomless pit) will wage war on them, and conquer them and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies [will lie exposed] in the open street [(a public square) of the great city which is in a spiritual sense called [by the mystical and allegorical names of] Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.
9 For three and a half days men from the races and tribes and languages and nations will gaze at their dead bodies and will not allow them to be put in a tomb.
10 And those who dwell on the earth will gloat and exult over them and rejoice exceedingly, taking their ease and sending presents [in congratulation] to one another, because these two prophets had been such a vexation and trouble and torment to all the dwellers on the earth.
11 But after three and a half days, by God's gift the breath of life again entered into them, and they rose up on their feet, and great dread and terror fell on those who watched them.
12 Then [the two witnesses] heard a strong voice from heaven calling to them, Come up here! And before the very eyes of their enemies they ascended into heaven in a cloud. [II Kings 2:11.]
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For those who are interested in more information on 777, Ark of the Covenant, etc. please see link above. I apologize for the rough nature of the work. hee hee, I was a newbie in study and my thoughts scattered as I wrote. I added alot of my personality in my posts and maybe it will seem frivolous, sorry.
There is alot of good info already compiled in that link above. Many members contributed to the investigation. I am glad to see this turn in events. There is probably alot of missing info and perhaps TS will address this in the future.
Thanks in advance TS.
Peace
Runninggirl, I had not heard about that S&P index going to 666 the day after the O2 announcement. :shock:
All those signs. Again, "speaking out" about "The Gift". I agree with your statements about Wycliffe's thoughts on religion, and faith in God apart from the established church. In my opinion it's the ones who have not grown up with the church telling them how to interpret Scriptures that can with fresh minds find the true meaning and interpretation. I also believe the world will be shocked as the established church will again not recognize who the anti-Christ is and who the true Messiah is, looking again in the wrong direction. The church will fall into massive deception.
Im_convincedmjalive, yes I too, have read and considered the passages about the 2 witnesses being Elvis and Michael. Not too sure about it but it is something to keep in mind.
by ~Souza~ » Thu Dec 23, 2010 6:52 am
There is religion and there is faith. IMO those are two seperate things. I think the majority of the people in this world have faith, believe in something, however they call it, that protects them and that influences their ways of living. I don't name it, because using 'God' always reminds me of the people around me who are completely brainwashed and controlled by their religion, but I think I mean the same as when someoen else talks about God.
If you say this is a board about Michael Jackson, then talking about faith and God is inevitable. Michael believes in God and reads the Bible. He uses the Bible and his faith for this hoax, so it can not be ignored. The Bible redirects can be interesting for anyone who is not religious as well, because it's the way you interpretate the scriptures and use them in your own life. Many parts in the Bible have great life lessons in them, if only you can read between the lines. Besides all that, if someone wants a hoax exactly the way he or she wants, he or she should hoax his or her own death. This is his death hoax and who are we to tell him how he should hoax his death?
I believe Michael, this being his hoax alone, is stretching ALL of us in our beliefs that we entered with. We may ALL have to adjust our preconceived interpretations about this world, the Bible and Michael's calling, or abandon following him in this adventure. We either accept what Michael has to say or bow out, because we cannot stomach what he is truly saying. Just as many of Jesus' disciples stopped following Him because they found that things He said were hard to fit in their world-view. As the Progressive Revelation unfurls and opens to our eyes, we are all in this together--searching for truth and understanding, loving and supporting Michael, and riding the roller-coaster adventure together, holding each other's hands. :) 8-) We are all equal, none is more important than the other. I love you all!
by nefertari » Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:06 pm
Revelation 11:3 (King James Version)
3And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and They Shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, Clothed in Sackcloth.
June 2009-December 2012 ... are exactly three and a half years. Is there any connection here?
Or I have too much fantasy
3 and a half years, very observant!
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Hey LovelyLurker! I was just on Twitter and saw this tweet from Donte Jackson and I thought of you... just wanted to share it.
@DonteRJackson: love is my religion & the earth is my church
Love you my fellow BC gal! Don't ever stop voicing your beliefs!
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@DonteRJackson: love is my religion & the earth is my church
He really is an interesting young man.
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The book of Revelation is one of the first books I read & studied after becoming a Christian. Chuck Missler is one of the best teachers I've ever listened to concerning a verse by verse breakdown of Genesis, Daniel's 70th Week, Revelation, & the Anti-Christ's End Time System...which encompasses Three areas: Spiritual/End Time Religion, End Time Government, & the Economy = (NWO). I wish I could find a video of him teaching the the verses dealing with the Seals specifically, but it's not available on YT. :(
Well it's not videos, it's audio, but is this more like what you were referencing?
http://www.blueletterbible.org/audio_vi ... GroupID=66 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/audio_video/comm_topic.cfm?AuthorID=21&commInfo=54&GroupID=66)
YES!
Bang-a-rang.
YOU ROCK! Thank you for finding that. :D
Chuck Missler is an Amazing teacher. You should hear him talk about space, light, folding time, & creation in Genesis.
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I was just thinking about LovelyLurker again.... you are on my mind :-) and I find it interesting how we are still dealing with things that were addressed in Update #1. Here are some "reminder" excerpts.
1-18. The End of This TIAI Update
If you don’t want to believe in the end of the world, and/or you don’t want to be religious: that is your right; Michael respects your right, and God respects your right. However, just because you have a right to be non-religious, does not mean that Michael is not very religious.
Do not dismiss TIAI, under the claim that it is too religious, merely because you yourself are not religious. If you can document that what I have presented is not what MJ believes, then please do so; but if not, then don’t say that TIAI isn’t Michael’s message (unless of course you’d rather listen to “Sweet Home Alabama” on the jukebox).
Please encourage other hoaxers to read this update, especially the ones who have doubted or even opposed TIAI. Because once the opposition to MJ’s message has gone away, then MJ will be ready to “Return”!
What I have done, is worked hard to promote truth about MJ: “the truth will prevail”! I’m only trying to help spread the truth, Michael’s message, and help people be ready for the end of the world—nothing more, and nothing less. If that is a crime, then I will be the first one to eagerly plead guilty.
So basically what we need to be doing is righting the wrong perception of MJ, spreading MJ's message, start changing the ways of the man/woman in the mirror, and getting ready for the end of the world.
Here's the full update #1 again. viewtopic.php?f=72&t=3391 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=3391)
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Giant atheist here but MJ is a religious man. If I want to do the MJ Death Hoax, I got to do the God show. I'm fine with that, it doesn't bother me to read about religion or read the Bible. It's like any other subject I have studied for any other thing in my life.
(anyone else have a feeling that TS has been heaping on the religious stuff lately due to people bitching about it? lol TS is kind of defiant methinks, and definitely confident. anyone else also get the idea that TS is trying to cull the herd a little? reduce the passive believers if you will...)
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Hang on bec... be right with you
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(anyone else have a feeling that TS has been heaping on the religious stuff lately due to people bitching about it? lol TS is kind of defiant methinks, and definitely confident. anyone else also get the idea that TS is trying to cull the herd a little? reduce the passive believers if you will...)
Ah better.... yep! I get a sense of a little prodding and poking.... haha love it!
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Thanks Wendy I was trying not to offend anyone.
Fail.
lol.
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Thanks Wendy I was trying not to offend anyone.
Fail.
lol.
Ooops! Sorry bec.... :oops:
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OK ATTENTION! IF ANYONE IS OFFENDED I TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY!
Yep I have accepted the coveted....
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:lol: Sorry I'm in a weird mood tonight.