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Hoax Investigation => Understanding His Music & (Short) Films => Michael's Life & Clues He Left Us => Michael => Topic started by: VeryLittleSusie on December 11, 2010, 06:05:14 AM

Title: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on December 11, 2010, 06:05:14 AM
I have some serious doubts as to "Monster", "Breaking News" and "Keep Your Head Up" like most of us. I was listening to these songs mixed among the 100%-Michael's-no-doubt songs and I was like " him, not him, him, hot him, him, not him..." I wish to start a serious discussion about thet. I already got an album - not mp3 tracks from the internet and I feel something is wrong. I do believe you are going to come backk to this thread on Dec 14th or 15th when you'll have the album in your hands.
I'm going to ennumerate my doubts and I'll ask you, my Family, for the feedback:


1. The voice on these 3 tracks lacks Michael's depth and strength. I cannnot hear the characteristic Michael lower tones (Kompare "Keep Your Head Up" and "Keep The Faith")
2. The pronunciation of some words is different (Monsta not Monster - sounds like British pronunciation to me)
3. The voice seems like a voice of a younger person
4. The mannerism of speech and accent is different
5. The voice is weak, I had an impression that somebody is pressing Michael's (or this person's) throat when he was singing... Like he was afraid to sing louder... Michaels voice is sharp like a sword, it breaks glass
6. The shaky, shivery vibrato...  
7. Pronunciation of certain consonants: Michael has a special feature while saying the words like "You", "need you", "truth", the letter "t" at the end of a word... He softens these consonants in his own typical way. The whole family speaks similarly, I think they took it after Joe or Katherine. I didn't notice anything like that in these songs....
8. The falsetto is different...
9. The voice lacks this "nosey" feature (the "stuffed nose effect" - I'm not a Native English speaker - please forgive me)


Call me a lunatic or crazy but I've been listening to Michael's voice for 18 years and something is wrong to me.  
Of course, I know that voice is something that changes with the age - there's, for example, a huge difference between "Destiny" Michael and "Invincible" Michael...
However, I'm not sure to what extent this change may occur...

 
I would like you to pay attention to Michael's/not Michael's mannerism of singing and pronouncing certain words in these three songs. I am hoping for some comparisons to appear on youtube - I'd love to hear a word by word scrutiny of specific words Michael pronounces and registers he sings in. Unfortunately I'm not able to do it myself but maybe some of you can, or at least you jump at sucha video on YT. Please, post it here.
If the experts at Sony weren't able to prove it - maybe we, the fans, can. If this is a forgery - then there must be a way to prove it somehow. Of course, I am hoping for the other result as well.. That would be much better... If my suspicions will prove to be false (if Michael himself comes out and tells it's all him - I am ready to go on my knees to Encino (I live in Europe)

Thank you for reading this thread...
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: nynyro on December 11, 2010, 09:01:12 AM
No I agree, it's suspicious, especially those three tracks.  That's why I'm still undecided about buying the album.  However, I want badly to believe that Michael is behind this.  Based on all the things we do know and the "Hold My Hand" video.  Maybe I'm being naive, I don't know.  I think a lot about Sony and their conspiracy against him, but I also think about all of the business ventures he had, and how many of the executives at Sony have left or been pushed out.  I think that  there's a possibility he might own part of Sony.  Also, when he made the "Sony Kills" speech, "Sony" could have been a code word for something else.
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: gstatpro on December 11, 2010, 12:03:42 PM
I own a recording studio and the voice is MJ but very filtered and muffled due to alot of editing. Listen to the hee hee's on Breaking News and they are cut off like there was too much breathing on the tracks. In my mind he was very sensitive to his singing capabilities as he got older and really cherished his voice as you see in TII. Read the August 2009 Rolling Stones Magazine with him on the cover.
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: jacilovesmichael on December 11, 2010, 12:10:35 PM
I agree, and it's only those 3 songs. Interesting that they were the ones recorded with that Cascio guy. And the titles/lyrics of them all are very interesting.  I feel like it has to be a message. Like I said in another thread, I wouldn't doubt that it is Michael singing - but with intentions to manipulate his voice to sound different. Maybe to create this controversy? To me that seems more realistic than getting someone else to record them, but I could be wrong.

10 tracks on the album, right? That means SEVEN are the real deal without question. Imagine that  ;)
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: CC on December 11, 2010, 01:28:30 PM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
I agree, and it's only those 3 songs. Interesting that they were the ones recorded with that Cascio guy. And the titles/lyrics of them all are very interesting.  I feel like it has to be a message. Like I said in another thread, I wouldn't doubt that it is Michael singing - but with intentions to manipulate his voice to sound different. Maybe to create this controversy? To me that seems more realistic than getting someone else to record them, but I could be wrong.

10 tracks on the album, right? That means SEVEN are the real deal without question. Imagine that  ;)


is michael from 6 feet under... :lol:  that´s why sounds so different... is just about have the worl in his hands, he loves to create controversy, great observation about 7 tracks ;)
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on December 11, 2010, 03:40:40 PM
Hey Nynyro, CC, Gstatpro & Jacilovesmichael. Thanks for your responses. You are all lifting up my spirits.  :)
I'd like you to ask you how do you relate to the differences in this person's accent and pronunciation? I'm not a native English speaker (but I'm said to have a rather good ear  :oops:  ) but to me the pronunciation of this "person" is a bit different than Michael's. Although you may process somebody's voice in the studio - it is hard to process their pronunciation. It is something you'd have to train...  :|
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on December 11, 2010, 05:27:46 PM
Reposting this link here - for the purpose of this thread - comparison.

This is Jason Malachi singing. Sounds a bit like "Keep your head up" etc...  :?
 
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/150573/1627044


Credits to futureleaker88 from the other thread.
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: CC on December 11, 2010, 07:08:17 PM
Quote from: "VeryLittleSusie"
Hey Nynyro, CC, Gstatpro & Jacilovesmichael. Thanks for your responses. You are all lifting up my spirits.  :)
I'd like you to ask you how do you relate to the differences in this person's accent and pronunciation? I'm not a native English speaker (but I'm said to have a rather good ear  :oops:  ) but to me the pronunciation of this "person" is a bit different than Michael's. Although you may process somebody's voice in the studio - it is hard to process their pronunciation. It is something you'd have to train...  :|

watch the video with bashit, sorry... bashir interview... when they are at MJ studio and he is trying to teach bashit (sorrry again) how to moonwalk, at the beggining he say that he likes his acent and MJ change his voice and talk line an english person... this is what mj do, he can change voice, sounds, tone, acent... is what make him so unique!!!

edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMBTVN-tJUI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMBTVN-tJUI) i think this is it! ;)
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on December 12, 2010, 08:34:35 AM
Thanks, CC - I am well aware of it. I know Michael is very talented. He can do EVERYTHING what he wants with his voice.  He pronounces the word "ask you" in this interview with perfect British RP. However, I don't see a single reason why should he change his voice/pronunciation/whatever, on the CD he wants to beat the "Thriller" record with. Why should he cheat his fans while singing?
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: gstatpro on December 12, 2010, 01:15:55 PM
Again in a recording studio thingscan be cut so the words sound like there is no tail to the words when we say things like i heard somethin about him saying monsta not monster but easily can be cut and sound like monsta..so heres some more proof of the cut up piece together songs Teddy Riley said in a interview  "Because Michael's songs are all about love, we could take vocals from here, put it with vocals from this. It's easy to do and I've demonstrated that." so that tells me michael could have layed down vocals for other songs or whatever and they used the recordings whether it be for that particular song but just to piece it together, using all the element of what they are doing...(tempo,pitch and filteration)
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: Cully Surroga on December 13, 2010, 11:33:21 AM
Quote
1. The voice on these 3 tracks lacks Michael's depth and strength. I cannnot hear the characteristic Michael lower tones (Kompare "Keep Your Head Up" and "Keep The Faith")
2. The pronunciation of some words is different (Monsta not Monster - sounds like British pronunciation to me)
3. The voice seems like a voice of a younger person
4. The mannerism of speech and accent is different
5. The voice is weak, I had an impression that somebody is pressing Michael's (or this person's) throat when he was singing... Like he was afraid to sing louder... Michaels voice is sharp like a sword, it breaks glass
6. The shaky, shivery vibrato...
7. Pronunciation of certain consonants: Michael has a special feature while saying the words like "You", "need you", "truth", the letter "t" at the end of a word... He softens these consonants in his own typical way. The whole family speaks similarly, I think they took it after Joe or Katherine. I didn't notice anything like that in these songs....
8. The falsetto is different...
9. The voice lacks this "nosey" feature (the "stuffed nose effect" - I'm not a Native English speaker - please forgive me)

I agree with each point on your list.
I'm surprised to not see more people having at least a few doubts...

 The obvious use of effects on '2000 Watts' didn't alter the feeling and presence of MJ. On those few songs it's not about effects and filters, I simply don't feel the presence of MJ at all. Disturbingly enough i do recognize him on some words out of a few sentences.
It's even more obvious when those particuliar songs are followed by others sounding like genuine MJ, with no room for the slightest doubt.

 I mean, we have followed his work for decades, we know Michael's voice in high and low register, we know him crying and laughing, angry, happy, talking, whispering, screaming, young, very young, older, acting, in disguise or with a cold even! Those voices here sound like none of this. You can play around with sound and singing techniques as much as you want, the timbre of someone's voice cannot be copied perfectly, as it is its very soul.
Still, Teddy Riley's statements and various others are confusing.
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on December 13, 2010, 12:09:33 PM
Quote from: "Cully Surroga"
  The obvious use of effects on '2000 Watts' didn't alter the feeling and presence of MJ. On those few songs it's not about effects and filters, I simply don't feel the presence of MJ at all. Disturbingly enough i do recognize him on some words out of a few sentences.
It's even more obvious when those particuliar songs are followed by others sounding like genuine MJ, with no room for the slightest doubt.

 I mean, we have followed his work for decades, we know Michael's voice in high and low register, we know him crying and laughing, angry, happy, talking, whispering, screaming, young, very young, older, acting, in disguise or with a cold even! Those voices here sound like none of this. You can play around with sound and singing techniques as much as you want, the timbre of someone's voice cannot be copied perfectly, as it is its very soul.
Still, Teddy Riley's statements and various others are confusing.


I second that!  :!: Thanks and welcome to the forum!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: rayvyn on December 13, 2010, 11:58:28 PM
This isn't up to Michael's standard, and I won't be buying the CD. I'll just enjoy his previous work.
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on December 14, 2010, 03:53:30 AM
@ rayvyn

I respect your decision but the other songs are awesome! Really!  :)
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: rayvyn on December 14, 2010, 11:32:58 AM
@VeryLittleSusie

Thanks. I've heard three that I like, and I might download those three from iTunes, but I'm not sure. I'm having issues about Sony, but I need to read up more on that before I decide. It's good you're enjoying the music.   :)
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: becca26 on December 14, 2010, 12:33:18 PM
I just bought the album on I tunes and I have headphones on.... I am a singer and have been since I was 5 and I am 28 now. I have stuff on video when I was a child and demos from when I was 12 till the age I am now, I have sung in studios stages ect. I think they are all him, but some may have not been completed, so they had to go in and clean in up, I am not Michael Jackson so can say if he would want this out or not, no of us can. But I know MJ had issues with sony in the past so why no give them the so so tracks and then once the contract is up then let his children release the stuff he had finished. Just thinking aloud :D
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: letstalkagain on December 14, 2010, 06:52:27 PM
The Cascios were only on Oprah to promote this album because the family have a vested interest in it/
More money, more money!
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: suspicious mind on December 14, 2010, 07:43:56 PM
is there a background story as to how these tracks from this family happened to end up on the album? was it ever michaels intention for them to be taken as a serious effort?
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: rayvyn on December 14, 2010, 08:03:34 PM
Quote from: "becca26"
I just bought the album on I tunes and I have headphones on.... I am a singer and have been since I was 5 and I am 28 now. I have stuff on video when I was a child and demos from when I was 12 till the age I am now, I have sung in studios stages ect. I think they are all him, but some may have not been completed, so they had to go in and clean in up, I am not Michael Jackson so can say if he would want this out or not, no of us can. But I know MJ had issues with sony in the past so why no give them the so so tracks and then once the contract is up then let his children release the stuff he had finished. Just thinking aloud :D


That's really a good idea about releasing the finished recordings after the contract is up, if in fact there are recordings that are complete.
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: King_Michael on December 14, 2010, 09:46:23 PM
Yeah I don't know if I'm buying this album it just seems to fishy seems like their are fake MJ's on here I love hold my hand but I don't know it just seems weird
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on December 15, 2010, 06:54:00 AM
Just giving some update on my ow topic:  :oops:

People on  Prince's forum (Prince from "Purple Rain") say that it's Eddie Cascio who is singing on these 3 Cascio songs!  To them - the two have identical pronunciation and accent!
http://prince.org/msg/8/347924?jump=945&pg=32

And I'll repost a link of Jason Malachi singing live - just for comparison:
Credit to: 2good2btrue

[youtube:1h4ztmdx]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiHhB_KzXIg&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:1h4ztmdx]
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: jacilovesmichael on December 18, 2010, 08:25:17 AM
Just a little advice...I was listening in my car last night and I turned the bass and treb all the way down so that the voice was mostly what I could hear, and that took away all doubt for me. It's him.

I still think that it may have been done on purpose for confusion, but I also think it's the production style that is causing us to wonder. What I mean is, usually Michael goes in the studio and records the main vocals in one take and then ad-libs and harmony are added. But that's not what is "normal" for all artists to do. It takes a lot of takes and editing and auto-tuning to make some artists sound how they do on their records. I think that's why it sounds so different. These songs were completed more like the pop records of today, which makes them sound even more relevant as well as different. Also, he's singing in his lower register most the time which we aren't used to.

I think this just proves that he really is the King of Pop -  he can literally create anything and it will be 100 times better than whatever music is out today. Plus the controversy sells, obviously...
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: gstatpro on December 18, 2010, 11:26:59 AM
Wheres this interview and footage! This will explain it all!!!!

[youtube:3pgbjc2n]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPzkI0iMZqA[/youtube:3pgbjc2n]
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: jacilovesmichael on December 18, 2010, 11:28:45 AM
Quote from: "gstatpro"
Wheres this interview and footage! This will explain it all!!!!

[youtube:1h2ywcav]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPzkI0iMZqA[/youtube:1h2ywcav]


Where's you find that?! And why haven't I seen it...
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: gstatpro on December 18, 2010, 11:35:27 AM
Quote from: "gstatpro"
Wheres this interview and footage! This will explain it all!!!!

[youtube:x42pn7wx]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPzkI0iMZqA[/youtube:x42pn7wx]


Heres some of it...


[youtube:x42pn7wx]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFgzS6wndd0[/youtube:x42pn7wx]
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: Datroot on December 18, 2010, 11:43:25 AM
Quote from: "CC"
Quote from: "VeryLittleSusie"
Hey Nynyro, CC, Gstatpro & Jacilovesmichael. Thanks for your responses. You are all lifting up my spirits.  :)
I'd like you to ask you how do you relate to the differences in this person's accent and pronunciation? I'm not a native English speaker (but I'm said to have a rather good ear  :oops:  ) but to me the pronunciation of this "person" is a bit different than Michael's. Although you may process somebody's voice in the studio - it is hard to process their pronunciation. It is something you'd have to train...  :|

watch the video with bashit, sorry... bashir interview... when they are at MJ studio and he is trying to teach bashit (sorrry again) how to moonwalk, at the beggining he say that he likes his acent and MJ change his voice and talk line an english person... this is what mj do, he can change voice, sounds, tone, acent... is what make him so unique!!!

edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMBTVN-tJUI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMBTVN-tJUI) i think this is it! ;)

This is all true but MJ spoke in a 'bad' English accent - I wouldn't mistake him for an English person.  I enjoyed hearing him speak like that - but it was just a bit of fun.
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on December 18, 2010, 05:42:20 PM
Just posting it in order to have all evidence in one thread:
It is coming from  http://fakemichael.com/
 :?
Quote
"How can you release a record without Michael Jackson? It's not Michael Jackson. I heard the song that's on the Internet now ['Breaking News'] and I'm like, 'That ain't Mike.'"
— Will.I.Am, Black Eyed Peas, Michael Jackson's producer

 "I remember when Teddy and I were at Encore listening to Keep Your Head Up. We both knew it wasn't my Uncle."

"Out of the 10 songs listed, only 7 of them are Michael Jackson."

"I've always admired the talent of Teddy Riley, but after hearing him lie on Oprah I am terribly disappointed."
— Taryll Jackson, Michael Jackson's nephew

 "Some of the songs are him, and some aren't. I would bet my life on that."

"And as to the vocal authenticators, they work for pay. And I wasn't there when they did their analysis."

"Like I said, Sony and the executors have 250 million reasons to influence the public."
— Randy Jackson, Michael Jackson's brother

 "I have read the statement from the MJ estate and I have to say that it's just more bullshit! I was in that room, and the majority of the people mentioned did NOT agree that it was MJ! Some felt it sounded like him but all agree that there was nothing there that was consistent with any MJ habits like finger snaps, headphone bleeding, foot stomping or just simple things like his voice asking for another take. Both Dr. Freeze and Teddy Riley sat with Taryll Jackson and myself and stated that they felt what we felt. As for the specialists that were brought in, I don't think anyone from the actual Jackson family got any direct confirmation that made them feel any different then what they have felt all along."
— Cory Rooney, producer

 "It seems like everybody is trying to put everything out that they can with him. I don't understand it. It's all to make money. He wouldn't have wanted it to come out this way. They must just be trying to make as much money as they can. I don't know why else they are doing it."
— Quincy Jones, producer of Michael Jackson's
"Off the Wall", "Thriller", and "Bad" albums
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: Cully Surroga on December 18, 2010, 06:00:38 PM
This is so obvious to me... i'm having more 'doubts' about the people listening to the songs.
Do we not have, in 2010, good enough equipment to hear and identify someone's voice?
It's nice that Teddy Riley admits the voice has been 'enhanced', my question is: to what extent? I have used 'Melodyne' many times and know all those tools quite well, they correct voice takes and retune specific notes, they don't change one's voice into a completely different one.
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: Cully Surroga on December 18, 2010, 06:03:54 PM
I'm sorry cause this is also a question of personal taste, but to me those songs just have "no soul" in them, it's nothing like a Michael Jackson record. All in all it sounds like a quickly produced contemporary pop album that wil be impossible to listen to in less than 10 years... (Remember Thriller?)
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: Datroot on December 19, 2010, 11:50:26 AM
Yes it is personal taste and I love all the songs and I know I will still be listening for years to come - whatever floats your boat.
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on December 19, 2010, 03:05:34 PM
I love the whole album, even the "fake" songs! I have nothing against them musically. If somebody convinced me REALLY that this is in fact MJ who simply changed his manner of singing or did it on purpose - that would be the best day of my life. But I hate the thought I might have been deceived...
This time - to believe is not enough for me. I want to KNOW.
Da troot.  :?
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: MJnowANDforever on December 19, 2010, 03:58:55 PM
Quote from: "VeryLittleSusie"
I love the whole album, even the "fake" songs! I have nothing against them musically. If somebody convinced me REALLY that this is in fact MJ who simply changed his manner of singing or did it on purpose - that would be the best day of my life. But I hate the thought I might have been deceived...
This time - to believe is not enough for me. I want to KNOW.
Da troot.  :?

This is exactly how i feel as well.
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: jacilovesmichael on December 19, 2010, 04:07:31 PM
I am convinced the songs are all him, but for the sake of argument...what do you guys think the point would be of having a sound alike record the songs? I mean, I would have to assume that MJ has TONS of unreleased material that would work to put on the new album. Why would they want to go to the trouble of having a fake record these songs knowing that people would notice? I'm trying to find the logic in that but I just can't...any ideas?

To me it seems much more logical that the songs are all him and it sounds different because it was recorded and produced differently than we're used to hearing (see my earlier post for details on that). As far as the family saying it's not him, I have to think that was a marketing strategy. Not just for sales but to get more people to listen to the songs, the message..and to get people's attention even more for what is to come. Because honestly, since I've listened to the actual album, I am convinced it's all him. Some parts of the songs sound different and questionable, but then there are parts that are undoubtedly him that nobody could immitate.

Not to mention, I am also convinced that Michael has sang/recorded vocals for Janet since his 'death'. If he can manipulate his voice to sound almost exactly like his SISTER, I'm sure he can manipulate it to sound different on songs that he wants to have a particular feel or vibe (or simply to confuse us all and get our attention). Either way, mission accomplished! The songs rock AND we're all STILL talking about it  ;)
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: LavdHim on December 19, 2010, 06:49:40 PM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
I am convinced the songs are all him, but for the sake of argument...what do you guys think the point would be of having a sound alike record the songs? I mean, I would have to assume that MJ has TONS of unreleased material that would work to put on the new album. Why would they want to go to the trouble of having a fake record these songs knowing that people would notice? I'm trying to find the logic in that but I just can't...any ideas?

To me it seems much more logical that the songs are all him and it sounds different because it was recorded and produced differently than we're used to hearing (see my earlier post for details on that). As far as the family saying it's not him, I have to think that was a marketing strategy. Not just for sales but to get more people to listen to the songs, the message..and to get people's attention even more for what is to come. Because honestly, since I've listened to the actual album, I am convinced it's all him. Some parts of the songs sound different and questionable, but then there are parts that are undoubtedly him that nobody could immitate.

Not to mention, I am also convinced that Michael has sang/recorded vocals for Janet since his 'death'. If he can manipulate his voice to sound almost exactly like his SISTER, I'm sure he can manipulate it to sound different on songs that he wants to have a particular feel or vibe (or simply to confuse us all and get our attention). Either way, mission accomplished! The songs rock AND we're all STILL talking about it ;)

agree ! sony can't be that stupid to put fake songs when they have many other unrealesed material and put their big name into risk  :?
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: King_Michael on December 19, 2010, 08:29:43 PM
MJ fans will buy it even if they knew there was fake tracks on there it's just how it is lol and Sony knows anything with MJ on it will sell
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: NightOwl on December 20, 2010, 10:32:37 AM
Quote from: VeryLittleSusie
Just posting it in order to have all evidence in one thread:
It is coming from  http://fakemichael.com/
 :?
Quote

Thanks for the link! Looking at the comments, I can only continue shaking my head to this album.
I agree with your starting post, too.

Cully Surroga writes:"I'm sorry cause this is also a question of personal taste, but to me those songs just have "no soul" in them, it's nothing like a Michael Jackson record. All in all it sounds like a quickly produced contemporary pop album that wil be impossible to listen to in less than 10 years... (Remember Thriller?)"

Yup. I agree with you too. I don't think he would've let such an album leave the studio. Listening to his old songs, they're "full", thought out. And he doesn't sound like a machine like he does now in, say, the chorus of "Hold My Hand". Why did they need to f**k with his voice? As MJ is dead, wouldn't the record company realize it is his voice the fans want to hear, as organic as possible and not enhanced? The voice is all there's left to have. Something's not right.

With the "enhancing" they can release pretty much anything claiming this is Michael Jackson. Have a "malachi", run the vocals through a machine and say "we needed to enchance the vocals".
I've seen and read enough to suspect anything these days, especially the true motives of corporations. And I think the greedy record company is one major reason Michael Jackson is not amongst us today. Wherever he is. Big record companies are just a part of this huge culture manipulating, money making machine. It's an industry with no morals, just for money. They're part of a bigger agenda some members discuss these things elsewhere on this board i.e. Music Industry & Mind Control.  :evil:
Sorry the rant...
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: Its her on December 22, 2010, 05:02:36 AM
Quote from: "letstalkagain"
The Cascios were only on Oprah to promote this album because the family have a vested interest in it/
More money, more money!
Er... ;) No...

Anyone MJ has permitted (Yes!) to "go public", is by design of HIS. They are in on the Hoax and this is a MAGICAL Hoax-album. If you don't buy it, you won't have the full experience of Michael Jackson :!:  :!:  :roll: As good as you think MJ is, he is WAY better than that. Oh My Gosh!! He has peppered this latest feast with all kinds of cool stuff. I don't know what theses things mean , but man, MJ 8-)  is talking to us :mrgreen:  He really IS, in secret code!!!(I'll share later--gotta go  :x to work now :(  :roll: , and listen to "MICHAEL" all  :D day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

BTW, Teddy R. AND those pesky :o  hoaxster Jacksons are stirring the pot BIGTIME. ;)  

( :lol: Booming Voice:) Do not listen to the men in FRONT of the curtain!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:   :P
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on December 22, 2010, 09:09:17 AM
How about all the things written in Leonard Rowe's book?
I am happy to see your enthusiasm but I guess I lost mine somewhere...  :cry:
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: Its her on December 23, 2010, 05:06:49 AM
Quote from: "VeryLittleSusie"
How about all the things written in Leonard Rowe's book?
I am happy to see your enthusiasm but I guess I lost mine somewhere...  :cry:
I didn't read it. I don't know anything about it. If he wrote a book, he is probably just another person flapping his lips in FRONT of the curtain. That equals FAKE. Either he was directed by MJ as part of the Adventure, or he is another person spinning his own lies about MJ.  

This album is already my FAVORITE Christmas gift. Thank you SO  :D much, Mikey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Santy Clause, YOU can't touch this :!:  :!:  8-)

Later.
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: nynyro on December 23, 2010, 03:47:43 PM
Quote from: "VeryLittleSusie"
How about all the things written in Leonard Rowe's book?
I am happy to see your enthusiasm but I guess I lost mine somewhere...  :cry:

I think Leonard Rowe's book is very important and very real.  but you have to remember, it's not just about MJ, it's about the entire recording industry.  It's about how artists, concert promoters and others get cheated and manipulated.  You have to read between the lines. This whole thing is probably a lot bigger and a lot more complicated than what we think it is. It's not just about this album. I believe it's his voice on all songs on the album (even if his voice was altered), but even if it was an impersonator... listen to the words of the songs and it's clearly his message.
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: MJnowANDforever on December 23, 2010, 05:53:37 PM
Here is an exact match of Jason Malachi - Critical and Keep Your Head Up.  It literally sounds exactly the same, no?


[youtube:isf4hphj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HaoueYwoMo[/youtube:isf4hphj]
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: lenalu on December 26, 2010, 06:37:31 AM
found this on the perez hilton homepage:

As we've reported, Sony is prepping the release of a new Michael Jackson album, which will feature 10-12 never-before-heard tracks from the late pop icon.

However, Jackson's children, Prince and Paris, are now alleging that they were present when their father recorded many of these songs, and the versions that are going to be released are FAKES!

Sources claim that five of the songs in question were recorded at the New Jersey home of Eddie Cascio, and Jackson and his kids stayed with the producer and his family for four months in 2007 while recording. Both Paris and Prince claim that they overheard the recording process and are "adamant" that the versions on the new album were sung by a sound-a-like.

Sony, however, counter-claims that sound experts have been brought in to confirm their products legitimacy, and they believe that the children are being "manipulated" by Katherine Jackson because she doesn't want the album released!

This is just out of control, and we truthfully have no idea what to believe ourselves!

But to think that Sony would knowingly release an album of fake Michael Jackson songs and take advantage of his fans like that is deeply distressing.

What do U think?? Do U believe the Jackson children or Sony??



but if michael really recorded these songs, then why couldn't they just take these versiones and took someone to rerecord these songs?
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: Cully Surroga on December 26, 2010, 09:58:34 AM
Why don't they give the audience acapellas of the songs?
Sony said experts have identified the songs as MJ's voice. Who paid for these tests?
The fake tracks are so obvious, i still can't believe the album is actually in shops.
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: Its her on December 26, 2010, 12:42:53 PM
Quote from: "Cully Surroga"
Why don't they give the audience acapellas of the songs?
Sony said experts have identified the songs as MJ's voice. Who paid for these tests?
The fake tracks are so obvious, i still can't believe the album is actually in shops.
There are no fake tracks. A fake would be something MJ was not involved with at all, and he clearly, crystal clearly, has his panther paws all over this record.

Me thinks thou dost protest TOO much. Why does this get your tail in such a knot?

Let me play devil's advocate for a moment and agree with you that the voice on the tracks are non-MJ. Suppose that MJ was tired of doing the "Michael Jackson" charade and wanted to hang it up, finally. After all, "Michael Jackson" has been marketed for decades as an ageless young man, of 29. (No offense at all, Mikey :) ) It was getting harder to fake(without magic) at 50. This may be what "he" meant, when "he" said in the Bashir interview, that he was Peter Pan, never aging. There have been NO telltale ALBUM cover photos of the man's real age since BAD, and even that one was doctored up... Since then, it is ALL artwork. So, he pulls this death hoax to fictionally END his fictional persona and act, and then , somehow cannot BEAR all the crying about his death and loss. Suppose he feels such compassion for not only fans, but the dear little Monster, himself, "Michael Jackson", and CAN'T go through with the killing...AWWWW :D

WHAT is he to do? :?

The same thing they do with ANY act, when the original player opts out of his contract...THEY REPLACE HIM. Look at Batman, Superman, Santa Clause

(  :o OH, NO, HIM, TOO?? HE's not REAL :?: :lol: )

Suppose that clever perfectionist found a way to keep the magic going by handpicking and tutoring someone of similar vocal pattern and resonance, to replace HIM in the ACT, so it can continue. (Way not likely, but work with me, here :) )

Face it, the "Michael Jackson" we have all known and loved for at least two decades, perhaps as far back as his solo debut has been mostly a SHOW, not reality. It's too late to get all bent about a voice substitution, IMHO, NOW...

But...I don't think MJ has done this yet. I still beLIEve he is hellbent on the melodrama of killing his Sparkling Boy off in a fake pyrotecknic cloud of drug use and suicide. I still think he is following the pattern of the things in the 1980 version of The Elephant Man. But I have to tell you this(and not you personally, but, anyone griping about not liking the sound, especially on the 3 Cascio assisted tracks):

If I were MJ and I were given SUCH grief over a dissimilarity in sound on my best effort to keep Michael Jackson alive for future generations, I'd put him away in a box forever, TOO. I don't know how any of you feel or are inside, and we are absolutely free to investigate, respectfully, but I do know ingratitude  :cry: gets one NOTHING.

I LOVE this album. What a GIFT. I am grateful that he is even working (for us :D ) still. He could have evaporated and deserted us. He would have gotten clean away with it.... :cry:

Anyway, devil's advocate, aside, it is ALL MJ (or, let's say, it is the same guy we've BEEN listening to since BAD  ;)  ;) ) singing on the songs on MICHAEL. Even the one which seems to have more clear sinus resonance. Vocals were probably recorded originally, well over 20 years ago, maybe even before he broke his nose, or right after the surgeries. Or maybe he's got a little cold on these recordings. I don't hear ANY different than MJ, himself. He was ALWAYS, always laying down songs on professional tracks to play with them later. Listen to songs like, You Are There , I'll Come Home To You, One Day In Your Life, Heaven Knows I Love You. Not that he wrote all of these, but it is him, way younger, singing them. And you do know how hard it is for the human ear alone, to differentiate between many voices singing at once, eh?  Keep listening to MICHAEL and give him a chance to get to you. It is him. I can't believe you said you feel NO SOUL on these!!  :o

I beLIEve we were TOLD about these tracks being different, to CAUSE us to scrutinize them. MJ WANTS us to listen to them millions of times, so the message will get in. This is ingenious and so cool. It is like a parent hiding the icky mashed brussel sprouts  :x in some tasty meatloaf for you!! :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

He is SO funny, I just LOVE his twisted  ;) ways :!:  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: Its her on December 31, 2010, 05:17:33 PM
Quote from: "Cully Surroga"
This is so obvious to me... i'm having more 'doubts' about the people listening to the songs.
Do we not have, in 2010, good enough equipment to hear and identify someone's voice?
It's nice that Teddy Riley admits the voice has been 'enhanced', my question is: to what extent? I have used 'Melodyne' many times and know all those tools quite well, they correct voice takes and retune specific notes, they don't change one's voice into a completely different one.

Hi. Since you formed the question, I will use your post to answer.

But first, to the people saying there are seven MJ songs and 3 fakes: You are saying it wrong. This is how it IS: Seven regular songs, same-ole-same-ole Hot MJ, making me sweat and fly out of my seat to move SOME thing or die in heart pounding anguish...and three Songs, also MJ, with his hands on my shoulders shaking me to wake up and see something which he can't simply spell out. That's how it is. I am just wondering WHAT is so imperative... :shock:  :? We need to get this. It is important to him.

I looked around to find why everyone got SO nuts over BN, and couldn't find for certain, the "first blood", so, as you seem to be concerned about the so-called voice enhancement, I CAN make you feel better about this. :D  

TR is being bad and stirring up trouble. He should have admitted HOW or WHAT had been enhanced, instead of leading very suggestible people, who are on their last :x nerve after 18 months of Watching, to believe he had "enhanced" MJ's SINGING voice. That's like painting a handlebar mustache on the Mona Lisa.  :!:  :roll: WHAT was he thinking, taking his life in his hands like that??? :lol:

Listen to Breaking News, to the very beginning talk, @:13 and :26. A person says TWICE, versions of this phrase,

"...made against a performer" and,

 "...more allegations made against a performer"

THAT voice is Michael Jackson!

It IS. :D   :!:

I don't know if any of the others or all of the other male voices are him, but I bet the voice saying the  "she's Hollywood", etc., on Hollywood Tonight is him, TOO! This is all that was "enhanced", IMHO, no singing parts. Take a good listen. The way he says, "star" :)

MJ is a NUT :!: . A one man Circus. Maybe he feels like, after making us cry so hard at his fake death, that he doesn't deserve our love, and feels more comfortable making people mad at first?  :lol:  IDK. It worked. Nearly cracked a couple of forums!  :roll:   The man has powers UNTAPPED. He Must come back!  8-)
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on January 01, 2011, 04:52:34 PM
ItsHer, I really admire your confidence and sense of humor!  :D

But do we have any other evidence besides your ear that this is actually MJ saying those spoken parts in the two tracks in question?
My ear says the vibrato is not MJ style in those tracks. Unless, he swallowed a giant mosquito.  :roll:
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: King_Michael on January 01, 2011, 07:54:24 PM
NO SOUL what so ever in his voice lol compare this with rock with you now i know he recorded that a long time ago but his voice never changed on Invincible he had songs with a lot of soul in them like heaven can wait so something is going on here....
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: Its her on January 02, 2011, 02:10:32 AM
Quote from: "VeryLittleSusie"
ItsHer, I really admire your confidence and sense of humor!  :D

But do we have any other evidence besides your ear that this is actually MJ saying those spoken parts in the two tracks in question?
My ear says the vibrato is not MJ style in those tracks. Unless, he swallowed a giant  mosquito.  :roll:


Thank you, thank you. As a matter of fact we DO have better, more convincing evidence! That would be YOUR OWN ears. You would believe yourself, right? Whip them out, here is your homework... :P

I have listened to Michael Jackson talk for many hundreds of hours--which is a LOT, because he very seldom talks---mostly sings. He has a very, VERY unique way of saying certain words and letters, and it is even more pronounced at certain times.

I don't know what those circumstances are, whether he is overly tired or has had a couple of drinks or antibiotic meds, or just has been all alone (no people at all for a day or a week) and speaks without the influence of anyone else's way of saying things. Just sometimes, he has a more pronounced Southern accent--I feel Alabama--Heaven Knows I Love You and sometimes it is just the way he throws his tongue out on his "L"s, as if he's reverse rolling them. I don't know how else to describe it! I have never heard ANYone say the letter "L" like this, and I've listened to hundreds of thousands--maybe a million people talk, by now.

He has a very whispery, breathy voice sometimes as in BOTDF, and in Keep It In the Closet it sounds like the talking voice breathing on Hollywood Tonight. Also, when he says the word "star" the same way he sings it in Someone In The Dark.

When I loaded all his songs into my new computer, I somehow switched speeds and royally screwed everything up (until it righted itself--either through Media Player online or a reboot---I still don't know!). :cry:  :evil:  Everything was just slow enough to drop his voice low enough to be creepy. I didn't know how to fix it; as I didn't know what I did! I took the time to see if it was each CD or was it just the last few I put on. I listened to about 20-thirty minutes of weirdness.  :oops:

Although, deeper and stretched out, I could still tell it was MJ by the imprint of the way he says things, already in my brain. I can SEE those particular full lips as they say/sing just exactly THAT way.

Listen to the word "performer", on BN and on any public chat/speech he's had with anyone where he says the word. It is HIM. Fast or slow, high or low, I'd know him ANYwhere, as long as I can hear him say enough words which give him away! He sometimes leaves consonants, like d and k off the ends of words, as if his soft palate is swollen, as in an allergic reaction, or infection. He says the words, "truth" and "you", like no one else, because of the way he uses those lips to form the words. He does something unique with words starting with "Th" sometimes. Same tongue thing. He kinda "throws" it out on the "a" in the word "that". This is SO cute. I am not picking him apart, or telling any medical secrets, if he has any---IDK him; I just LOVE his uniqueness, and I know what can change a voice.

One reason you don't see a lot of people covering his works is because everyone knows there is something there, which they cannot top: his heart and soul, in the form of a zillion little emotive all human sounds, which actually MAKE the hit ALL his, pretty much forever... 8-)  

As far as vibrato goes, he always experimented with varying degrees, depending on the song, and how much he worked with it. Listen to You Are My Life, Heal The World", Gone Too Soon, and in She's Out Of My Life. You can also hear him say "don't know" the very same way he says it in Monster, and you can hear the way he says some "L"s.


On another thread---someone said he never says words which should have an "R" sound, as an "A" instead, until the "Michael" album, as if he were trying to sound British. I think the words they used (phonetically)were,  "rest-A-ront", instead of "res-taurant", and "monstA" instead of monstER. Not true. He does this ALL the time. RemembA  :lol: The Time, Keep The Faith, where he says, "surrendA", instead of surrendER. Not only does he say it this way, he passionately, sharply emphasizes the "A" sound.


If you want a sample of some of his "urgent-secret-whispery" talk, as he does on Hollywood Tonight, listen to him talk at the beginning of (and during) Dangerous!!!! Now imagine him speaking this through a PVC pipe or some other goofball thing he and his mad minstrels come up with to create UNIQUE sounds. If you have the equipment, and know what you are doing  :oops:  :lol: , slow it down or whatever is needed (I personally don't think it is needed), to see if MJ says the word "BAAAD" the same way he says it on HT. It is him .

It is ALL MJ, those two places I mentioned (HT & BN). Now, those bad boys (MJ & TR) MAY have thrown some other voice in to throw us off, one time, but until I actually spend time on it, I'm saying it is all Mike. I haven't been listening to the CD for so much investigation as for sheer PLEASURE, but when I heard those lips say the word "performer", my face involuntarily went :  :o  :o  :D  .

Hey, the mind knows what it already knows. 8-)

 And I KNEW  :idea: that the talk parts were what they meant were "enhanced"!

I am telling you, ALL we need to prove it is him is in his genuine previous works. :D  I listen to something of his every day (addicted :roll: ). Do like they do to find counterfeit money: the experts make themselves very familiar with the genuine. Then, without scrutiny, the true happily matches up and the false, and what  ;) ABOUT it is false, stands out like a stick in the eye.  :o  :)
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: Datroot on January 02, 2011, 07:52:01 AM
I agree - I've head him sing on many a song where he pronounces the A instead of ER - Do you RemembA when we fell in love - Cos this is THRILLA - is one that most seem to have forgotten.
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on January 02, 2011, 10:11:59 AM
Hi ItsHer! Thank you for your long and elaborate post :) I really appreciate that.

You seem to be very convincing in your ideas. Yo convinced me as to the "MonstA-RemembA" pronunciation. Yes, I admit - Michael plays with the pronunciation very often.

Although, I have absolutely no doubts as to "Hollywood Tonight", I mean, my heart and ears say that it is MJ singing the whole song, I DO HAVE doubts as to "Monstah", "Breaking News" and "Keep Your Head Up".

I'd like to you to listen to the following sentences and tell me what you hear:


"KYHU":
"She wipes the tears away" - the word "tears" is revealing - it doesn't sound like MJ at all!
"We can just rise up tell me now" - "rise up" sounds nothing like  MJ
"Don't give up today" -->
"I wish the love would come today" - the pronunciation of "today" is wayyy offf...

"Monstah":
"Just look in the mirror" - the word "just" sounds too hard, MJ pronounces this word much softer
"He's coming at ya
Coming at ya rather to fast
Mama say mama got you in the zig zag" - this whole verse doesn't sound like him. The lower tones are not him. He voice is not as deep as his...

"What you do to me" - "do to me" - it doesn't sound like him.
the verse that starts at 3:50, sung with mosquito-falsetto: "Say you wanna be a star..." and so on - when I first heard it I was like "WTF? Who is it??? It's not him, for God's sake"


I was at the music shop today. I saw "Michael" on the shelf. I always try to touch and hold MJ CD's for a moment when I'm in the music shop (I just can't resist) and I saw the following senence at the back of the CD: "This album contains 9 previously unreleased vocal tracks performed by Michael Jackson. (...)" It enlighted me.

Even if MJ is not properly credited in the booklet - this sentence speaks volumes. If this is a fraud on the part of SONY and they deliberately used the voice of sb else in the recordings, THEY in fact ADMIT IT IS MICHAEL JACKSON by writing this sentence at the back of the cover of the album.
If we manage to prove it's somebody else singing in those tracks then they won't be able to deny and say "It was vever stated in the booklet that those were Mr. Jackson's lead vocals on these three tracks."

"Vocal tracks performed by Michael Jackson" means that SONY say it is Michael Jackson singing lead vocals in all tracks.
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: Datroot on January 02, 2011, 10:15:44 AM
I've always thought it was him on all tracks with maybe a little embellishment  here and there which I do not count as fraud.
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: Its her on January 02, 2011, 06:27:00 PM
Quote from: "VeryLittleSusie"
Hi ItsHer! Thank you for your long and elaborate post :) I really appreciate that.

You seem to be very convincing in your ideas. Yo convinced me as to the "MonstA-RemembA" pronunciation. Yes, I admit - Michael plays with the pronunciation very often.

Although, I have absolutely no doubts as to "Hollywood Tonight", I mean, my heart and ears say that it is MJ singing the whole song, I DO HAVE doubts as to "Monstah", "Breaking News" and "Keep Your Head Up".

I'd like to you to listen to the following sentences and tell me what you hear:


"KYHU":
"She wipes the tears away" - the word "tears" is revealing - it doesn't sound like MJ at all!
"We can just rise up tell me now" - "rise up" sounds nothing like  MJ
"Don't give up today" -->
"I wish the love would come today" - the pronunciation of "today" is wayyy offf...

"Monstah":
"Just look in the mirror" - the word "just" sounds too hard, MJ pronounces this word much softer
"He's coming at ya
Coming at ya rather to fast
Mama say mama got you in the zig zag" - this whole verse doesn't sound like him. The lower tones are not him. He voice is not as deep as his...

"What you do to me" - "do to me" - it doesn't sound like him.
the verse that starts at 3:50, sung with mosquito-falsetto: "Say you wanna be a star..." and so on - when I first heard it I was like "WTF? Who is it??? It's not him, for God's sake"


I was at the music shop today. I saw "Michael" on the shelf. I always try to touch and hold MJ CD's for a moment when I'm in the music shop (I just can't resist) and I saw the following senence at the back of the CD: "This album contains 9 previously unreleased vocal tracks performed by Michael Jackson. (...)" It enlighted me.

Even if MJ is not properly credited in the booklet - this sentence speaks volumes. If this is a fraud on the part of SONY and they deliberately used the voice of sb else in the recordings, THEY in fact ADMIT IT IS MICHAEL JACKSON by writing this sentence at the back of the cover of the album.
If we manage to prove it's somebody else singing in those tracks then they won't be able to deny and say "It was vever stated in the booklet that those were Mr. Jackson's lead vocals on these three tracks."

"Vocal tracks performed by Michael Jackson" means that SONY say it is Michael Jackson singing lead vocals in all tracks.


I read somewhere online last year, what Michael Jackson's actual singing range was. The author was very impressed, but as I only understood the concept---not the details, I can only tell you it was 4 octaves. Let's just say it is impressive enough to be written about. 8-) Right away, I thought of Minnie Riperton's Vocal Range, which I had also read was remarkable at 5.5 octaves. Her voice could crack glass. But she was a girl. It is more rare for a man to be so versatile. For those in the know, I copied this from a page on Maximum Jackson (just giving the source; This is all it said):  

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Vocal timbre: Spinto, Countertenor, Baritone (in the song 2000 Watts of Invinvible album, for exmaple)
Highest note: B5
Lowest note : E2
Vocal range: 3.6+ octaves (E2-B5; 44 notes by the middle of 1980s according to Seth Riggs, Jackson's vocal consultant (Quote from Seth Riggs); in the 1990s, Riggs said the range expanded to 4 octaves. Apparently, due to aging, Jackson got few additional lower notes, while not losing the highest ones.)

I hear NO  :D mosquito voices on Michael  (Maybe some Bee action in Breaking News  ;)  :lol: .)  Just MJ skillfully stretching his voice to its limits, like warm buttery taffy.

Have you never heard the version of P.Y.T. with will.i.am.?

Are those mosquito voices, to you, on Billie Jean, of MJ singing all the high background vocals all through the song?

What about Smooth Criminal, starting @ 3:06?

What about on Dirty Diana, @ about 4:10, where he is singing something supposedly in character as DD, so high, that I can only guess what he is having her character say. I don't have dog ears.  I hear but couldn't quite guarantee, what sounds like, "Hey, do ya wanna?" over and over, to which he screams "Get OUT!"  

THAT is no mosquito!! That is a Master Vocal Peacock in full display, there AND on MICHAEL. :D

As for the low notes , MJ had a deeper huskier voice speaking/singing with his brothers, live, which we haven't heard for 30 years. Listen to all of Rock With You on the Jacksons LIVE album, and especially around 3:32-3:35 for some more high notes.

The words you mention, “tears, rise up, today,” require references from his genuine songs or speeches for me to make a comparison. Unless you prove he says it differently, these all sound like MJ to me. And the word “just”, the way MJ says it a lot, is “Jussss”, with no or a very weak “t” at the end. He says it this way right on the first track, too: HMH.  All MJ.

I don't know about the phrase you quoted, either, but he says “Why'd you do it?” both on Monster @ 4:16 , and We've Already Had Enough, @ 5:00.  Same voice. ALL MJ.


I would like to focus more on WHY MJ chose these three, ONLY Cascio related songs to generate all the controversy, more than questioning whether it's MJ or not. It is him, IMHO.

Suppose the big breaking news of the album, IS that none of it is Michael Jackson (which is not the truth).

SO???

There are a lot more dangerous deceptions going on every day all around us, which each of is is just happily, blindly stepping over to go about our own business. Why pick this battle to fight in, that we stupidly bought a HOT (but bogus) product ?  I don't get it.
 
I want to know:

Why #3, #5, #7??  Prime numbers. Why not #s 1, 3, & 5??   Because #1 isn't a prime number. But WHY do they need to be prime??

Why did MJ choose #7 to stir up the MOST scary, rabid,  :shock: volatile mess anyone ever imagined on fan boards?????

What is he trying to make us SEE?  Are all the voices talking at the beginning of Breaking News in on the hoax? “FAKING the NEWS”? The only ones I recognize are MJ and Diane Dimond. Is the British accented guy voice Bashir? IDK. Who else?

Or, was the controversy stirred up as a misdirection, to keep SOME one's ears away from

other

things on the album???  :?

“Ignis aeternus” mentioned hearing the tapping of a musical director's staff at the beginning of  BTM.

I know this album is chock full of stuff, but perhaps WE should be attending to THAT track, at the Maestro's insistent tapping!!  It is track #9, which doesn't ring any bells with me...you?  Maybe MJ buried something inside there...

Sorry so lengthy.  :oops: It's all I have now. :) [/b][/color]
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: Liberian Girl Heehee on January 02, 2011, 07:13:19 PM
I still think it is Michael after listening to all three songs about 1,000 times now.  I hear other vocals too, but Michael is there...sometimes lead, sometimes back-up.  I know it is weird to hear Michael as back-up singer but, I believe it has been done for a reason.  Part of the controversy in is it him, is it Jason, who is it?

I also think it is amazing how many of the people who think it isn't MJ have gotten extremely emotional about their opinion and their opinion of evil Sony.  Nothing short of MJ coming back and saying it is him singing will get them to even open their mind about the possibility.  I hope Michael does come back and tells us whether it is him or not him...either way...as long as he just comes back.   8-)  :lol:
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: Billie J on January 06, 2011, 12:06:31 PM
well many say that it's not Michael singing, breaking the news, keep your head up and monster.
BUT what about Best of joy?? I think it mike singing monster.I can agree he pronounce the word monster weird,but otherwise i think it's mike.
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: MJonmind on January 06, 2011, 01:06:29 PM
I'm struggling a bit with the 3 songs on the album, but enjoying them along with the others. I just know that I was with the crowd that believed parts of TII were not Michael, and that 02 MJ was not him. I've come to completely believe they WERE him, with deliberate subtle morphing he did.  He has ways and means 8-)  :oops: .

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Its her
That is a Master Vocal Peacock in full display, there AND on MICHAEL.
:lol:  :lol:
[attachment=0:p3xrnxxm]peacock-wooing-peahen1[1].jpg[/attachment:p3xrnxxm]
Keeping on wooing and wowing us, MJ!
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: hope on January 06, 2011, 02:05:53 PM
Quote from: "Liberian Girl Heehee"
I still think it is Michael after listening to all three songs about 1,000 times now.  I hear other vocals too, but Michael is there...sometimes lead, sometimes back-up.  I know it is weird to hear Michael as back-up singer but, I believe it has been done for a reason.  Part of the controversy in is it him, is it Jason, who is it?

I also think it is amazing how many of the people who think it isn't MJ have gotten extremely emotional about their opinion and their opinion of evil Sony.  Nothing short of MJ coming back and saying it is him singing will get them to even open their mind about the possibility.  I hope Michael does come back and tells us whether it is him or not him...either way...as long as he just comes back.   8-)  :lol:
Thats how I feel as well. I can hear him in ALL the songs, but not lead in some. We do not know for sure if Sony OR the estate have ALL the unreleased songs. Michael may have only left a few, just for this purpose. My opinion is that 3 or 4 of the songs were actually incomplete with Michaels recordings, and Sony and the estate mixed Michaels recordings with someone elses voice. thats why we can hear bits and pieces of Michael, but where Michael still had not recorded the lead yet, they had to find someone else for the lead. I hope that makes sense.
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: Its her on January 06, 2011, 03:16:06 PM
Quote from: "MJonmind"
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Its her
That is a Master Vocal Peacock in full display, there AND on MICHAEL.

Keeping on wooing and wowing us, MJ :!:
:lol:  :lol:

[attachment=0:hxwqggt8]peacock-wooing-peahen1[1].jpg[/attachment:hxwqggt8]

My wish EXACTLY. We are so blessed to have observed and heard this Phenomenon LIVE in our lifetimes. Sometimes I can almost "FEEL" his invisible dress feathers fully splayed as he works his magic onstage (remember Black & White? )  he   makes you feel him. He's bigger than life. There will NEVER be another Michael Jackson, in ANYone's lifetime...Thank you for the picture. Isn't he pretty!! :D
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: Its her on January 06, 2011, 03:29:04 PM
Quote from: "MJonmind"
I'm struggling a bit with the 3 songs on the album, but enjoying them along with the others. I just know that I was with the crowd that believed parts of TII were not Michael, and that 02 MJ was not him. I've come to completely believe they WERE him, with deliberate subtle morphing he did.  He has ways and means 8-)  :oops: .

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Its her
That is a Master Vocal Peacock in full display, there AND on MICHAEL.
:lol:  :lol:
[attachment=0:2oux8anl]peacock-wooing-peahen1[1].jpg[/attachment:2oux8anl]
Keeping on wooing and wowing us, MJ :!:  

My wish EXACTLY. We are so blessed to have observed and heard this Phenomenon LIVE in our lifetimes. Sometimes I can almost "FEEL" his invisible dress feathers fully splayed as he works his magic onstage (remember Black & White? )  he   makes you feel him. He's bigger than life. There will NEVER be another Michael Jackson, in ANYone's lifetime...Thank you for the picture. Isn't he pretty!! :D (Too bad I can't reproduce the picture, here, after many attempts! Please see above... :) )
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on January 09, 2011, 03:16:34 PM
Posting this link here from another thread. Credit to: Gstadpro


[youtube:1txw7van]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEdyxV1lsdg&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:1txw7van]
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: Le Papillon Bleu on January 09, 2011, 03:27:37 PM
To me this video confirms my beliefs that Malachi played a good part on this Cd.
Monster Breaking News  Keep Your Head Up...and maybe much more...Katherine was right.
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: Cully Surroga on January 09, 2011, 06:14:45 PM
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To me this video confirms my beliefs that Malachi played a good part on this Cd.
Monster Breaking News Keep Your Head Up...and maybe much more...Katherine was right.
Yes, it's very intriguing indeed... It does sound like the same person.
And the a capella version of Breaking News makes things even more obvious.
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on January 10, 2011, 08:25:42 AM
What do you guys think? What we should do now? SONY clearly states that all tracks on "Michael" ARE indeed performed by Michael Jackson -- see the back of the cover of your CD! It's written on the cover.
Should we undertake some steps -- as fans who feel that they are being deceived?  :?
Could our ears be the sufficient proof?
Or should we leave it as it is??
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: Image on January 10, 2011, 11:13:34 AM
Maybe someone has already written the same, if so, delete my post.

If really on the CD "Michael" are singing impersonator, as well as in the movie "This Is It " maybe there are double,  one of many reason could be that Michael himself wanted them to work with him to share this experience with his fans in a special way. Anyhow the songs are beautiful and I think that all profits from sales will go to various charities.

Sorry for my English, I hope you understand what I mean.
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: PeaceLoveHappiness on January 10, 2011, 02:07:42 PM
Quote from: "VeryLittleSusie"
What do you guys think? What we should do now? SONY clearly states that all tracks on "Michael" ARE indeed performed by Michael Jackson -- see the back of the cover of your CD! It's written on the cover.
Should we undertake some steps -- as fans who feel that they are being deceived?  :?
Could our ears be the sufficient proof?
Or should we leave it as it is??


Unless you have definitive proof that those songs aren't Michael (which you do not), you would be wasting your time and money trying to do anything about it.  Aside from the fact that Sony has been in business far too long to knowingly commit fraud, they have experts backing up their claims, as well as sworn documents from Frank Cascio.  If you are that upset about the album, maybe you should sit it aside for a while and listen to some of the older albums that you know are Michael.
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: Le Papillon Bleu on January 10, 2011, 03:01:29 PM
Quote from: "PeaceLoveHappiness"
Quote from: "VeryLittleSusie"
What do you guys think? What we should do now? SONY clearly states that all tracks on "Michael" ARE indeed performed by Michael Jackson -- see the back of the cover of your CD! It's written on the cover.
Should we undertake some steps -- as fans who feel that they are being deceived?  :?
Could our ears be the sufficient proof?
Or should we leave it as it is??


Unless you have definitive proof that those songs aren't Michael (which you do not), you would be wasting your time and money trying to do anything about it.  Aside from the fact that Sony has been in business far too long to knowingly commit fraud, they have experts backing up their claims, as well as sworn documents from Frank Cascio.  If you are that upset about the album, maybe you should sit it aside for a while and listen to some of the older albums that you know are Michael.
What if justice has to be done here too? what if Michael wants us to uncover their faces?
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: PeaceLoveHappiness on January 10, 2011, 06:24:58 PM
Quote from: "Le Papillon Bleu"
Quote from: "PeaceLoveHappiness"
Quote from: "VeryLittleSusie"
What do you guys think? What we should do now? SONY clearly states that all tracks on "Michael" ARE indeed performed by Michael Jackson -- see the back of the cover of your CD! It's written on the cover.
Should we undertake some steps -- as fans who feel that they are being deceived?  :?
Could our ears be the sufficient proof?
Or should we leave it as it is??


Unless you have definitive proof that those songs aren't Michael (which you do not), you would be wasting your time and money trying to do anything about it.  Aside from the fact that Sony has been in business far too long to knowingly commit fraud, they have experts backing up their claims, as well as sworn documents from Frank Cascio.  If you are that upset about the album, maybe you should sit it aside for a while and listen to some of the older albums that you know are Michael.
What if justice has to be done here too? what if Michael wants us to uncover their faces?


It's all in what you believe.  I think Michael hoaxed his death for serious, life-threatening reasons, so I don't think he is just trying to uncover fraudulent producers at Sony.  If that is the case, why would he allow his voice to be on a "tainted" album at all?  I respect your theory, but I just don't agree with it.
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: Its her on January 11, 2011, 03:34:59 AM
Quote from: "VeryLittleSusie"
What do you guys think? What we should do now? SONY clearly states that all tracks on "Michael" ARE indeed performed by Michael Jackson -- see the back of the cover of your CD! It's written on the cover.
Should we undertake some steps -- as fans who feel that they are being deceived?  :?
Could our ears be the sufficient proof?
Or should we leave it as it is??

What should we do, now? Hmmm...

I say: ENJOY, ENJOY, ENJOY!  :D  It IS Michael Jackson singing on all tracks.

If MJ read and wrote music, and laid his talent down only on paper, knowing how greedy and evil the world is, there might have possibly been a slim chance, that certain knowledgeable inside folk could have dared try to perpetrate a deception, with a sound alike, stand in singer, JUST to be able to publish his music in the way that bonds it forever in our minds that it was his. After all, they COULD have leased the songs to anyone else to cover in any arrangement they wished. (Hey! Beiber's hot, now. Let's get him to do HMH, or KYHU ---or--or--Hollywood Tonight! Yeah, right. :P ) It could happen... :shock:

IF MJ were gone.

Even if you THINK it is not him, it made you think OF him as the songs slid up your backbone and entered your soul :D . If that's ALL you get out of it---GREAT. Thank God there are people still living who actually worked with him in production, and can kinda sorta authentically capture enough of his essence to do some justice to his posthumous masterpieces. If he REALLY died and this was all we had left of him, it would be the ONLY way to give his remaining efforts due respect. With all due respect to will.i.am., (you hoaxee!) the alternative---locked up forever, because they are unfinished--- is UNTHINKABLE. :cry:

Seriously, would you rather have a decent MJ impersonator  ;) "Do it like Michael", or someone else interpret the feel of the songs, THEIR way, having totally different production people, and having never heard how MJ meant them to be?  We, more than likely, hearing it on the radio, would not even RECOGNIZE it as MJ's work. How tragic!

But, MJ ALWAYS, he said, put his songs on audio tape or recorded his vocals properly in a studio, and then went and tweaked them or embellished them with miscellaneous details like instruments and emotion, because he COULDN'T simply "write them down".

Does anyone really think that Sony hired someone to listen to MJ's voice on tape and then try to sing it better, themselves???????????????? Why, when they already have professionally recorded vocals by the man, himself. This is business. Why spend the money without need??

No matter. MJ is NOT dead. He's not hogtied in a corner, where he can't come out and  :evil: roar about his work being tampered with.

And, did we all forget that Michael Jackson is working WITH Sony, now? He showed them, already, "Who's BAD", and turned around and made them a multimillion dollar movie, TII, remember? Now that he owns his intellectual property, he would NEVER partner with someone he didn't have the upper hand on. A wise person doesn't do business with snakes, without serious leverage :!:  :!: People can SAY, "Well, the biggest deal was made posthumously by his estate attorneys. Mike wouldn't go back under Sony."  

Not so fast. MJ makes money in his sleep. It is business. He knows Sony (and, they know HIM---that he is a force they can't  ;) do without!). Opportunity is opportunity. He is no fool. 8-)  :!: And, he only FAKED his death, remember? He is still HERE! It is very sweet and nice to want to band together and protect him, as some gentle flower, and certainly, there are times to have his back in a big way, but, you are barking up the wrong tree, and getting y'all's tail in a knot for ------what? An apology? A refund?? Does ANYONE seriously  :roll: want to give up their copy of MICHAEL :o  :shock:  :?:  :?:  :lol:  :lol: Really?? :P

MJ has everything under control, including the controversy over the album! He doesn't need defending on this. He's BAD.  8-) YOU KNOW IT.  :D

 
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: Le Papillon Bleu on January 11, 2011, 02:04:26 PM
Quote from: "PeaceLoveHappiness"
Quote from: "Le Papillon Bleu"
Quote from: "PeaceLoveHappiness"
Quote from: "VeryLittleSusie"
What do you guys think? What we should do now? SONY clearly states that all tracks on "Michael" ARE indeed performed by Michael Jackson -- see the back of the cover of your CD! It's written on the cover.
Should we undertake some steps -- as fans who feel that they are being deceived?  :?
Could our ears be the sufficient proof?
Or should we leave it as it is??


Unless you have definitive proof that those songs aren't Michael (which you do not), you would be wasting your time and money trying to do anything about it.  Aside from the fact that Sony has been in business far too long to knowingly commit fraud, they have experts backing up their claims, as well as sworn documents from Frank Cascio.  If you are that upset about the album, maybe you should sit it aside for a while and listen to some of the older albums that you know are Michael.
What if justice has to be done here too? what if Michael wants us to uncover their faces?


It's all in what you believe.  I think Michael hoaxed his death for serious, life-threatening reasons, so I don't think he is just trying to uncover fraudulent producers at Sony.  If that is the case, why would he allow his voice to be on a "tainted" album at all?  I respect your theory, but I just don't agree with it.



I'm not saying he faked his death to uncover Sony no no no..
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: Its her on January 12, 2011, 04:15:23 AM
Quote from: "Le Papillon Bleu"
Quote from: "PeaceLoveHappiness"
Quote from: "Le Papillon Bleu"
Quote from: "PeaceLoveHappiness"
Quote from: "VeryLittleSusie"
What do you guys think? What we should do now? SONY clearly states that all tracks on "Michael" ARE indeed performed by Michael Jackson -- see the back of the cover of your CD! It's written on the cover.
Should we undertake some steps -- as fans who feel that they are being deceived?  :?
Could our ears be the sufficient proof?
Or should we leave it as it is??


Unless you have definitive proof that those songs aren't Michael (which you do not), you would be wasting your time and money trying to do anything about it.  Aside from the fact that Sony has been in business far too long to knowingly commit fraud, they have experts backing up their claims, as well as sworn documents from Frank Cascio.  If you are that upset about the album, maybe you should sit it aside for a while and listen to some of the older albums that you know are Michael.
What if justice has to be done here too? what if Michael wants us to uncover their faces?


It's all in what you believe.  I think Michael hoaxed his death for serious, life-threatening reasons, so I don't think he is just trying to uncover fraudulent producers at Sony.  If that is the case, why would he allow his voice to be on a "tainted" album at all?  I respect your theory, but I just don't agree with it.



I'm not saying he faked his death to uncover Sony no no no..

Not Sony, definitely, but then who? What justice are you thinking of, which has to do with any (what/where, exactly?) monkey business on/with MJ's latest album??

Still trying to get my hands on Leonard Rowe's (Unavailable)book about the underbelly of Hollywood, so I admit significant ignorance, but, how could ANYone put the screws to the most powerful and savvy, genius in music???? Not possible. I am mystified.  :?
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on January 12, 2011, 08:50:48 AM
Hmm... Thank you all for your opinions.
I just wanted to say the following:  if sb was able to prove that these tracks are fake - it would be a proof that MJ was murdered and SONY is selling fake tracks to make money. Or at least, we would be a step closer to that...

Of course, I believe that MJ is alive but... you know what I mean...
We're here to find the truth - no matter what the truth is...
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: Le Papillon Bleu on January 12, 2011, 01:17:20 PM
Quote from: "VeryLittleSusie"
Hmm... Thank you all for your opinions.
I just wanted to say the following:  if sb was able to prove that these tracks are fake - it would be a proof that MJ was murdered and SONY is selling fake tracks to make money. Or at least, we would be a step closer to that...

Of course, I believe that MJ is alive but... you know what I mean...
We're here to find the truth - no matter what the truth is...
I think the same as you....is a thing between destroying and removing bad people in his life: the ones that did harm him allot....or your statement in here maybe Michael is murdered.
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: MJonmind on January 12, 2011, 03:21:43 PM
Just putting out my theory. What do you think?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthesizer
LFO
Low-frequency oscillation (LFO) is an electronic signal, usually below 20 Hz, that creates a rhythmic pulse or sweep, often used to create vibrato, tremolo and other effects. The abbreviation is also often used to refer to low-frequency oscillators themselves. In certain genres of electronic music, the LFO filter's cutoff is used to create a wider range of, often darker, sound.

Imitative synthesis
Sound synthesis can be used to mimic acoustic sound sources. The characteristics of a sound, known as pitch and timbre, are defined by the amplitude and pitch of each individual sine wave, collectively known as the partials or harmonics. Generally, a sound that does not change over time will include a fundamental partial or harmonic, and any number of partials. Synthesis may attempt to mimic the amplitude and pitch of the partials in an acoustic sound source.
When natural sounds are analyzed in the frequency domain (as on a spectrum analyzer), the spectra of their sounds will exhibit amplitude spikes at each of the fundamental tone's harmonics corresponding to resonant properties of the instruments (spectral peaks that are also referred to as formants). Some harmonics may have higher amplitudes than others. The specific set of harmonic-vs-amplitude pairs is known as a sound's harmonic content. A synthesized sound requires accurate reproduction of the original sound in both the frequency domain and the time domain. A sound does not necessarily have the same harmonic content throughout the duration of the sound. Typically, high-frequency harmonics will die out more quickly than the lower harmonics.
 
I apologize that I am not a techno-savvy person, but this is important I feel. So if there is somebody out there who knows this field could you please put this information in this wiki-site in layman's terms especially the parts that pertain to morphing human voice to sound like another person's, in tone and vibrato. I have also included all the pics in the HMH video that are related to sound technology to see if this techno person relates any of it to this as well. My theory is that Michael is deliberately imitating this Jason Malachi's voice to create controversy (what TR said he lives for). I believe it is still MJ's voice, and that's why the credits list him only, not this Jason Malachi, who may or may not be aware of what is going on.

I think the same thing is happening with Conrad Murray, Dave Dave, and other characters we've been discussing and confused over. MJ has, at times, donned the fatsuit, and completely copied them in voice, mannerism, personality. Remember MJ said his favorite character was Morph, because he could change at will into anybody whenever he wanted to. This Master Entertainer is pulling out all the stops on this Hoax/Thriller/Extravaganza of a life-time/millenium/longer. If Jason is aware, then Michael trusts him and has included him in on the plot and will reward him handsomely. I truly believe TR is telling the truth on Oprah for the world to hear, and the Jackson's are telling the truth as pertains to the appearance of the truth--there-in lies the beauty of this lie that becomes the truth. I truly believe this in my gut/heart. Also does anyone have anymore pics to compare or add to these of pics elsewhere generally in the hoax? Here are the pics in HMH as far as I could see. I realize that HMH is clearly MJ's voice with Akon, but it is the lead single and only video representing the album 'Michael'.
[attachment=4:7p39oir4]hmh tech 1.jpg[/attachment:7p39oir4][attachment=3:7p39oir4]hmh tech 2.jpg[/attachment:7p39oir4][attachment=2:7p39oir4]hmh tech 3.jpg[/attachment:7p39oir4][attachment=1:7p39oir4]hmh tech 4.jpg[/attachment:7p39oir4][attachment=0:7p39oir4]hmh tech 5.jpg[/attachment:7p39oir4]
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: Le Papillon Bleu on January 12, 2011, 03:39:26 PM
Quote from: "MJonmind"
Just putting out my theory. What do you think?

Quote
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthesizer
LFO
Low-frequency oscillation (LFO) is an electronic signal, usually below 20 Hz, that creates a rhythmic pulse or sweep, often used to create vibrato, tremolo and other effects. The abbreviation is also often used to refer to low-frequency oscillators themselves. In certain genres of electronic music, the LFO filter's cutoff is used to create a wider range of, often darker, sound.

Imitative synthesis
Sound synthesis can be used to mimic acoustic sound sources. The characteristics of a sound, known as pitch and timbre, are defined by the amplitude and pitch of each individual sine wave, collectively known as the partials or harmonics. Generally, a sound that does not change over time will include a fundamental partial or harmonic, and any number of partials. Synthesis may attempt to mimic the amplitude and pitch of the partials in an acoustic sound source.
When natural sounds are analyzed in the frequency domain (as on a spectrum analyzer), the spectra of their sounds will exhibit amplitude spikes at each of the fundamental tone's harmonics corresponding to resonant properties of the instruments (spectral peaks that are also referred to as formants). Some harmonics may have higher amplitudes than others. The specific set of harmonic-vs-amplitude pairs is known as a sound's harmonic content. A synthesized sound requires accurate reproduction of the original sound in both the frequency domain and the time domain. A sound does not necessarily have the same harmonic content throughout the duration of the sound. Typically, high-frequency harmonics will die out more quickly than the lower harmonics.
 
I apologize that I am not a techno-savvy person, but this is important I feel. So if there is somebody out there who knows this field could you please put this information in this wiki-site in layman's terms especially the parts that pertain to morphing human voice to sound like another person's, in tone and vibrato. I have also included all the pics in the HMH video that are related to sound technology to see if this techno person relates any of it to this as well. My theory is that Michael is deliberately imitating this Jason Malachi's voice to create controversy (what TR said he lives for). I believe it is still MJ's voice, and that's why the credits list him only, not this Jason Malachi, who may or may not be aware of what is going on.

I think the same thing is happening with Conrad Murray, Dave Dave, and other characters we've been discussing and confused over. MJ has, at times, donned the fatsuit, and completely copied them in voice, mannerism, personality. Remember MJ said his favorite character was Morph, because he could change at will into anybody whenever he wanted to. This Master Entertainer is pulling out all the stops on this Hoax/Thriller/Extravaganza of a life-time/millenium/longer. If Jason is aware, then Michael trusts him and has included him in on the plot and will reward him handsomely. I truly believe TR is telling the truth on Oprah for the world to hear, and the Jackson's are telling the truth as pertains to the appearance of the truth--there-in lies the beauty of this lie that becomes the truth. I truly believe this in my gut/heart. Also does anyone have anymore pics to compare or add to these of pics elsewhere generally in the hoax? Here are the pics in HMH as far as I could see. I realize that HMH is clearly MJ's voice with Akon, but it is the lead single and only video representing the album 'Michael'.
[attachment=4:2p4wcubh]hmh tech 1.jpg[/attachment:2p4wcubh][attachment=3:2p4wcubh]hmh tech 2.jpg[/attachment:2p4wcubh][attachment=2:2p4wcubh]hmh tech 3.jpg[/attachment:2p4wcubh][attachment=1:2p4wcubh]hmh tech 4.jpg[/attachment:2p4wcubh][attachment=0:2p4wcubh]hmh tech 5.jpg[/attachment:2p4wcubh]

i am with your thoughts too...this can be also possible ...also when Michael said in TII "i have to save my voice....don't make me sing" it made me put a question mark at the end "why he keeps on repeating "voice"...is there a clue ?...so now this "voice"-war....is he or isn't he... :(
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on January 12, 2011, 04:29:57 PM
I like your theory and I find it very possible since in the last couple of months we were constantly bombarded with the unofficial news that there was a guy named Jason Malachi who had similar voice like MJ. And all of the sudden - bam- "Malachi-like voice" is singing on Michael's album!  :shock:  What a "coincidence"!
I also remember Michael in "This Is It" saying: "I'm trying to conserve my voice" or sth like that...

My question is: why would Michael want to ruin his album with this horrible Malachi-like vibrato, hee hee's and "aaows"?  I may understand that he wants to, for example, "ruin his image for the sake of the hoax" by making the people believe that he "was a drug addict", but to spoil his album in such a way???
It's h hard for me to comprehend that since his albums were always too perfect.  :shock:
Help...?  :(
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: nefari on January 12, 2011, 04:48:39 PM
VeryLittleSusie you say there is a horrible Malichi like voice on the album "Michael". What you hear is your opinion and I respect that but for the life of me I hear no one but the same Michael Jackson that I have been hearing for his entire life. And Michael has a beautiful vibrato that stands out more on some songs through the years than others. I hear nothing strange on "Michael" at all except for the song "Best of Joy" which sounds like Michael but like it was mixed in a bowl of chipmunk cereal.
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: PeaceLoveHappiness on January 12, 2011, 05:15:54 PM
I've read several negative and nasty comments on this site and other sites about the "questionable" songs, and I can't help but wonder how Michael feels about that.  Along the same lines of innocent until proven guilty, until we are given definitive proof that the tracks aren't being sung by Michael, we should at the very least give Michael's good name the respect of not trashing the songs all over the internet.  It's one thing to question whether it's really Michael singing or not, but the nasty comments (ugly, disgusting, horrible, to name a few) parallel some of the nasty things that have been said about Michael the man.  JMO of course.
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: MJonmind on January 12, 2011, 05:42:18 PM
Quote from: "VeryLittleSusie"
I like your theory and I find it very possible since in the last couple of months we were constantly bombarded with the unofficial news that there was a guy named Jason Malachi who had similar voice like MJ. And all of the sudden - bam- "Malachi-like voice" is singing on Michael's album!  :shock:  What a "coincidence"!
I also remember Michael in "This Is It" saying: "I'm trying to conserve my voice" or sth like that...

 I may understand that he wants to, for example, "ruin his image for the sake of the hoax" by making the people believe that he "was a drug addict" (
I do appreciate your response, although I don't see it as so negative. I agree there had to be a purpose behind the bombardment of Jason Malachi songs on the net, that sounded like Michael. As well your point that this whole hoax, MJ has been presenting a false image of himself to mislead people--the drug addict, the bankrupt inept star, the weak victim. "Meet the man you never knew". I feel rather than a war on whether it's all MJ on the album or not, there needs to be annalysis on the mechanics of morphing, comparing it to other MJ hoax conundrums. And I say this all with utmost respect and love for MJ, the best of the best. Period!! 8-)  :P  :o  :oops:  :D  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: Le Papillon Bleu on January 13, 2011, 01:36:20 PM
I don't think VeryLittleSusie tries to disrespect Michael...she just said her opinion about this Malachi it's just that everyone writes in his/her own way...We all see and hear things different from eachother...to me that "heee hee " and "oww" are made with special effects....
Can we ask the Jackson family if they agree with this album? i think they are the only ones who can have a good opinion about it all...
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: MJnowANDforever on January 16, 2011, 12:59:00 PM
A 5th full Cascio track leaked the other day.  Just like the other 4, it's VERY questionable.  To me, there is no way that this is Michael Jackson.  Between this one, and All I Need,  it's just clearly not Michael, imo.   And if these 2 aren't, then the other 3 aren't.  Just my opinion tho.

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Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: Bee Bee on January 17, 2011, 08:49:05 AM
Has anyone ever noticed that of all the tracks on the album the three questionable ones are the ones that could be hoax-related? Breaking News - no question... Monster, the horror of Hollywood, being hunted by paparazzi... Keep Your Head Up... I agree that's rather far-fetched, but maybe the message is in the title. "Keep Your Head Up"... "stay alive"... Keep your hope alive... something the like. He's alive.

Maybe those songs were recently written and Michael desperately wanted them included on the album, but, as a "dead" guy,  he wasn't able to record them himself. He would've needed a proper recording studio, making sure there are no intruders. Now, I agree, after hoaxing your death that can't be too difficult. Still, maybe he's not close to any recording studio and felt it was too risky. So he reached out to Eddie Cascio and he helped him out finding a proper singer, Malachi, for example. Just a vague theory, sorry.

But anyway... the possibility of those three songs being fake. I think there could be a message right there. Fake songs on a Michael Jackson album, what is that? A hoax. And you have all three songs containing a certain hoax-related message (if you agree with me). Plus, you have seven real songs, as others have pointed out.
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: Datroot on January 17, 2011, 08:54:22 AM
Yes, I agree with that partly, however, my thoughts are that MJ could have forwarded his recorded voice (either by email or CD ROM, or even phone) to the producer of those tracks (Teddy Riley) who could then have played around with it and inserted it within the final recordings.
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on January 17, 2011, 12:50:19 PM
(just to keep an update on the subject...)
Ok, so now we have this two articles on TMZ with Jason Malachi's facebook:
http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/16/michael-jackson-album-breaking-news-jason-malachi/
http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/16/michael-jackson-jason-malachi-michael-song-album-phony-sony-estate-facebook-post-fraud/


And the Facebook page in question:
http://www.facebook.com/#!/jasonmalachimusic


along with a new Cascio track "Stay" that leaked recently to the internet.

http://www.twitvid.com/NXUWN

 
The story develops, I guess...
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: Le Papillon Bleu on January 17, 2011, 03:12:52 PM
Quote from: "Bee Bee"
Has anyone ever noticed that of all the tracks on the album the three questionable ones are the ones that could be hoax-related? Breaking News - no question... Monster, the horror of Hollywood, being hunted by paparazzi... Keep Your Head Up... I agree that's rather far-fetched, but maybe the message is in the title. "Keep Your Head Up"... "stay alive"... Keep your hope alive... something the like. He's alive.

Maybe those songs were recently written and Michael desperately wanted them included on the album, but, as a "dead" guy,  he wasn't able to record them himself. He would've needed a proper recording studio, making sure there are no intruders. Now, I agree, after hoaxing your death that can't be too difficult. Still, maybe he's not close to any recording studio and felt it was too risky. So he reached out to Eddie Cascio and he helped him out finding a proper singer, Malachi, for example. Just a vague theory, sorry.

But anyway... the possibility of those three songs being fake. I think there could be a message right there. Fake songs on a Michael Jackson album, what is that? A hoax. And you have all three songs containing a certain hoax-related message (if you agree with me). Plus, you have seven real songs, as others have pointed out.
OR maybe he put someone else to sing it so that we could focus more on the song,the lyrics : and maybe not on the VOICE? :roll:
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on December 31, 2011, 07:50:42 AM
I'm preparing myself to the New Years Eve celebration, and in order to put myself in a good mood - I'm listening to Michael of course. And with a fresh ear I tried to listen to the "Michael" album, and seriously, in NO WAY can I believe that Monster, Keep Your Head up and breaking News are sung by Michael! My ears scream "It's not him"!!!
I just wanted to express that... I just needed to vent simply.
Hugs to you guys....
Title: Re: Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...
Post by: missudi on December 31, 2011, 09:47:57 AM
I was listening to hollywood the other day,and I thought tomyself ,to me it didnt really sound like Michael,but I just dont know,but thats what went through my mind at the time.
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